Protest march halted in Bushey Heath had 'no evidence of race-related criminal offences' say police

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Police have confirmed the protest march halted in Bushey Heath last week had "no evidence of race-related criminal offences".

Hertsmere Chief Inspector Dean Patient said: "We appreciate the sensitivities within the community on this matter and we have investigated it fully but no evidence of race-related criminal offences was found.

"The possession of a national flag on its own does not constitute an offence and the constabulary is also mindful of having to balance residents’ rights to feel safe with the others’ right to freedom of expression. 

"The Bushey and Radlett Safer Neighbourhood Team continue to monitor the situation and are liaising with the local community in order to provide reassurance.

"If anyone has concerns then they are urged to contact Sgt Noel Buckley on 01707 806645."

 

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9:41am Fri 29 Aug 14

gusgreen says...

well I am surprised !!!!!!
well I am surprised !!!!!! gusgreen
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11:05am Fri 29 Aug 14

busheyresident1 says...

Just because the police did not hear the race related chants, does not mean it didn't happen. I was there, I heard it, I called the police and unsurprisingly by the time they arrived the chanting had stopped. I most certainly felt unsafe and am in no doubt that the chants were inciting racial hatred.
None so blind as those who don't want to see.
Just because the police did not hear the race related chants, does not mean it didn't happen. I was there, I heard it, I called the police and unsurprisingly by the time they arrived the chanting had stopped. I most certainly felt unsafe and am in no doubt that the chants were inciting racial hatred. None so blind as those who don't want to see. busheyresident1
  • Score: -4

11:48am Fri 29 Aug 14

CaptainPC says...

busheyresident1 wrote:
Just because the police did not hear the race related chants, does not mean it didn't happen. I was there, I heard it, I called the police and unsurprisingly by the time they arrived the chanting had stopped. I most certainly felt unsafe and am in no doubt that the chants were inciting racial hatred.
None so blind as those who don't want to see.
It's getting to the point where people might need to arm themselves.
[quote][p][bold]busheyresident1[/bold] wrote: Just because the police did not hear the race related chants, does not mean it didn't happen. I was there, I heard it, I called the police and unsurprisingly by the time they arrived the chanting had stopped. I most certainly felt unsafe and am in no doubt that the chants were inciting racial hatred. None so blind as those who don't want to see.[/p][/quote]It's getting to the point where people might need to arm themselves. CaptainPC
  • Score: -4

11:49am Fri 29 Aug 14

CaptainPC says...

Free the P-Beth Cherryman.....would you?
Free the P-Beth Cherryman.....would you? CaptainPC
  • Score: -2

12:53pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Free the P says...

I'd rather the old/cold
I'd rather the old/cold Free the P
  • Score: 0

1:09pm Fri 29 Aug 14

lutondown says...

Typical politically correct response from a police force hell bent on appeasing certain sections of the community.
Wonder if they'd take the same stance if it happened In West Watford? Nah, course not
Typical politically correct response from a police force hell bent on appeasing certain sections of the community. Wonder if they'd take the same stance if it happened In West Watford? Nah, course not lutondown
  • Score: 4

2:22pm Fri 29 Aug 14

ancientandageing says...

Maybe there actually was no race relayted crime.
It is not a crime to wave a flag in protest of the "genocide being visited on Gaza" by the IDF, even in front of a synagogue.
I would point out that there are Jews that waive the Palistinian flag http://mondoweiss.ne
t/2014/07/jewish-sta
nd-people.html
That Jews have protested against Israeli actions in Gaza
And that Holocaust survivors and their families have been opposed to Israels actions in Gaza

Clearly Israel has given people good cause to protest about its actions.
As for protests outside places of worship as long as they are peacfull and move on then I see no problem with getting the message across to friends of Israel wherever they be that the actions of Israel have been obscene and should not be tolerated.
Maybe there actually was no race relayted crime. It is not a crime to wave a flag in protest of the "genocide being visited on Gaza" by the IDF, even in front of a synagogue. I would point out that there are Jews that waive the Palistinian flag http://mondoweiss.ne t/2014/07/jewish-sta nd-people.html That Jews have protested against Israeli actions in Gaza And that Holocaust survivors and their families have been opposed to Israels actions in Gaza Clearly Israel has given people good cause to protest about its actions. As for protests outside places of worship as long as they are peacfull and move on then I see no problem with getting the message across to friends of Israel wherever they be that the actions of Israel have been obscene and should not be tolerated. ancientandageing
  • Score: 5

4:46pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Harry Caine says...

It's revealing that we need to wade through the comments in order to discover the nature of the protest.

Benjamin Netanyahu constantly reiterates that the State perpetrating the genocide in Gaza is founded in a particular religion. It's hardly surprising that there is blow-back as a consequence. Perhaps this would be negated if more community members publicly condemned the slaughter of so many innocent women and children.

If readers want an idea of the scale of destruction, have a look at this:
http://www.kolor.com
/virtual-tours/20140
818-kolor-lewis-whyl
d/#s=pano102
It's revealing that we need to wade through the comments in order to discover the nature of the protest. Benjamin Netanyahu constantly reiterates that the State perpetrating the genocide in Gaza is founded in a particular religion. It's hardly surprising that there is blow-back as a consequence. Perhaps this would be negated if more community members publicly condemned the slaughter of so many innocent women and children. If readers want an idea of the scale of destruction, have a look at this: http://www.kolor.com /virtual-tours/20140 818-kolor-lewis-whyl d/#s=pano102 Harry Caine
  • Score: 4

7:53pm Fri 29 Aug 14

lutondown says...

ancientandageing wrote:
Maybe there actually was no race relayted crime.
It is not a crime to wave a flag in protest of the "genocide being visited on Gaza" by the IDF, even in front of a synagogue.
I would point out that there are Jews that waive the Palistinian flag http://mondoweiss.ne

t/2014/07/jewish-sta

nd-people.html
That Jews have protested against Israeli actions in Gaza
And that Holocaust survivors and their families have been opposed to Israels actions in Gaza

Clearly Israel has given people good cause to protest about its actions.
As for protests outside places of worship as long as they are peacfull and move on then I see no problem with getting the message across to friends of Israel wherever they be that the actions of Israel have been obscene and should not be tolerated.
But that's assuming that all Jews are zionists.
I'm not Jewish but I see a lot of blatant anti semitism or in actuality anti Judaism and perpetrated by our biased media namely the BBC and the Guardian.
It's heinous that innocents die. Including the three Jewish kids kidnapped and murdered by Hamas, that the incensed of the left seem to omit from their list of atrocities.
I cannot understand why pious Jews want to aggravate the situation by settling on the West Bank.
I'll never understand the Hamas supporters who paint a Star of David on a poor little donkey then stone it to death.
I do understand that Israel has a right to exist, and the day it stops fighting then the peace loving Arab nations will immediately annihilate it, as is their rhetoric to do so.
And the I do know that the left will maintain its traditional pro Arab stance and opt not to report impartially.
[quote][p][bold]ancientandageing[/bold] wrote: Maybe there actually was no race relayted crime. It is not a crime to wave a flag in protest of the "genocide being visited on Gaza" by the IDF, even in front of a synagogue. I would point out that there are Jews that waive the Palistinian flag http://mondoweiss.ne t/2014/07/jewish-sta nd-people.html That Jews have protested against Israeli actions in Gaza And that Holocaust survivors and their families have been opposed to Israels actions in Gaza Clearly Israel has given people good cause to protest about its actions. As for protests outside places of worship as long as they are peacfull and move on then I see no problem with getting the message across to friends of Israel wherever they be that the actions of Israel have been obscene and should not be tolerated.[/p][/quote]But that's assuming that all Jews are zionists. I'm not Jewish but I see a lot of blatant anti semitism or in actuality anti Judaism and perpetrated by our biased media namely the BBC and the Guardian. It's heinous that innocents die. Including the three Jewish kids kidnapped and murdered by Hamas, that the incensed of the left seem to omit from their list of atrocities. I cannot understand why pious Jews want to aggravate the situation by settling on the West Bank. I'll never understand the Hamas supporters who paint a Star of David on a poor little donkey then stone it to death. I do understand that Israel has a right to exist, and the day it stops fighting then the peace loving Arab nations will immediately annihilate it, as is their rhetoric to do so. And the I do know that the left will maintain its traditional pro Arab stance and opt not to report impartially. lutondown
  • Score: 3

8:19pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Harry Caine says...

lutondown wrote:
ancientandageing wrote:
Maybe there actually was no race relayted crime.
It is not a crime to wave a flag in protest of the "genocide being visited on Gaza" by the IDF, even in front of a synagogue.
I would point out that there are Jews that waive the Palistinian flag http://mondoweiss.ne


t/2014/07/jewish-sta


nd-people.html
That Jews have protested against Israeli actions in Gaza
And that Holocaust survivors and their families have been opposed to Israels actions in Gaza

Clearly Israel has given people good cause to protest about its actions.
As for protests outside places of worship as long as they are peacfull and move on then I see no problem with getting the message across to friends of Israel wherever they be that the actions of Israel have been obscene and should not be tolerated.
But that's assuming that all Jews are zionists.
I'm not Jewish but I see a lot of blatant anti semitism or in actuality anti Judaism and perpetrated by our biased media namely the BBC and the Guardian.
It's heinous that innocents die. Including the three Jewish kids kidnapped and murdered by Hamas, that the incensed of the left seem to omit from their list of atrocities.
I cannot understand why pious Jews want to aggravate the situation by settling on the West Bank.
I'll never understand the Hamas supporters who paint a Star of David on a poor little donkey then stone it to death.
I do understand that Israel has a right to exist, and the day it stops fighting then the peace loving Arab nations will immediately annihilate it, as is their rhetoric to do so.
And the I do know that the left will maintain its traditional pro Arab stance and opt not to report impartially.
Anti-Semitism, anti-judaism has nothing to do with any of this - it's about human rights.

If anything the BBC falls over backwards to promote Zionist "Hasbara" The Guardian published a pro-Zionist advertisement refused by the Times. This arguably libellous advertisement is currently under investigation by the ASA. So inferring that the BBC and the Guardian are pro anything is demonstrably fallacious nonsense.

For someone who purports to be Goyim this is a remarkably pro-Zionist post, how much are they paying you?
[quote][p][bold]lutondown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ancientandageing[/bold] wrote: Maybe there actually was no race relayted crime. It is not a crime to wave a flag in protest of the "genocide being visited on Gaza" by the IDF, even in front of a synagogue. I would point out that there are Jews that waive the Palistinian flag http://mondoweiss.ne t/2014/07/jewish-sta nd-people.html That Jews have protested against Israeli actions in Gaza And that Holocaust survivors and their families have been opposed to Israels actions in Gaza Clearly Israel has given people good cause to protest about its actions. As for protests outside places of worship as long as they are peacfull and move on then I see no problem with getting the message across to friends of Israel wherever they be that the actions of Israel have been obscene and should not be tolerated.[/p][/quote]But that's assuming that all Jews are zionists. I'm not Jewish but I see a lot of blatant anti semitism or in actuality anti Judaism and perpetrated by our biased media namely the BBC and the Guardian. It's heinous that innocents die. Including the three Jewish kids kidnapped and murdered by Hamas, that the incensed of the left seem to omit from their list of atrocities. I cannot understand why pious Jews want to aggravate the situation by settling on the West Bank. I'll never understand the Hamas supporters who paint a Star of David on a poor little donkey then stone it to death. I do understand that Israel has a right to exist, and the day it stops fighting then the peace loving Arab nations will immediately annihilate it, as is their rhetoric to do so. And the I do know that the left will maintain its traditional pro Arab stance and opt not to report impartially.[/p][/quote]Anti-Semitism, anti-judaism has nothing to do with any of this - it's about human rights. If anything the BBC falls over backwards to promote Zionist "Hasbara" The Guardian published a pro-Zionist advertisement refused by the Times. This arguably libellous advertisement is currently under investigation by the ASA. So inferring that the BBC and the Guardian are pro anything is demonstrably fallacious nonsense. For someone who purports to be Goyim this is a remarkably pro-Zionist post, how much are they paying you? Harry Caine
  • Score: -1

8:21pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Harry Caine says...

I nearly forgot, can we have a proper valid reference to the allegation about the donkey please?
I nearly forgot, can we have a proper valid reference to the allegation about the donkey please? Harry Caine
  • Score: 0

9:00pm Fri 29 Aug 14

ancientandageing says...

lutondown wrote:
ancientandageing wrote:
Maybe there actually was no race relayted crime.
It is not a crime to wave a flag in protest of the "genocide being visited on Gaza" by the IDF, even in front of a synagogue.
I would point out that there are Jews that waive the Palistinian flag http://mondoweiss.ne


t/2014/07/jewish-sta


nd-people.html
That Jews have protested against Israeli actions in Gaza
And that Holocaust survivors and their families have been opposed to Israels actions in Gaza

Clearly Israel has given people good cause to protest about its actions.
As for protests outside places of worship as long as they are peacfull and move on then I see no problem with getting the message across to friends of Israel wherever they be that the actions of Israel have been obscene and should not be tolerated.
But that's assuming that all Jews are zionists.
I'm not Jewish but I see a lot of blatant anti semitism or in actuality anti Judaism and perpetrated by our biased media namely the BBC and the Guardian.
It's heinous that innocents die. Including the three Jewish kids kidnapped and murdered by Hamas, that the incensed of the left seem to omit from their list of atrocities.
I cannot understand why pious Jews want to aggravate the situation by settling on the West Bank.
I'll never understand the Hamas supporters who paint a Star of David on a poor little donkey then stone it to death.
I do understand that Israel has a right to exist, and the day it stops fighting then the peace loving Arab nations will immediately annihilate it, as is their rhetoric to do so.
And the I do know that the left will maintain its traditional pro Arab stance and opt not to report impartially.
really I see a very pro Israel media
What is needed is unequivocally condemnation of the massacre of Palestinians in Gaza. Something like this signed by 40 Holocaust survivors and hundreeds of their relatives.
NO EXCUSES
"Jewish survivors and descendants of survivors and victims of Nazi genocide unequivocally condemn the massacre of Palestinians in Gaza
As Jewish survivors and descendants of survivors and victims of the Nazi genocide we unequivocally condemn the massacre of Palestinians in Gaza and the ongoing occupation and colonization of historic Palestine. We further condemn the United States for providing Israel with the funding to carry out the attack, and Western states more generally for using their diplomatic muscle to protect Israel from condemnation. Genocide begins with the silence of the world.



We are alarmed by the extreme, racist dehumanization of Palestinians in Israeli society, which has reached a fever-pitch. In Israel, politicians and pundits in The Times of Israel and The Jerusalem Post have called openly for genocide of Palestinians and right-wing Israelis are adopting Neo-Nazi insignia.



Furthermore, we are disgusted and outraged by Elie Wiesel’s abuse of our history in these pages to justify the unjustifiable: Israel’s wholesale effort to destroy Gaza and the murder of more than 2,000 Palestinians, including many hundreds of children. Nothing can justify bombing UN shelters, homes, hospitals and universities. Nothing can justify depriving people of electricity and water.



We must raise our collective voices and use our collective power to bring about an end to all forms of racism, including the ongoing genocide of Palestinian people. We call for an immediate end to the siege against and blockade of Gaza. We call for the full economic, cultural and academic boycott of Israel. “Never again” must mean NEVER AGAIN FOR ANYONE!"

My personal opinion is that I will outlive the present Israeli empire (old as I am), but that is an irrelvance what Israel is doing now is a wrong and all there is nowt wrong with protesting about it.
[quote][p][bold]lutondown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ancientandageing[/bold] wrote: Maybe there actually was no race relayted crime. It is not a crime to wave a flag in protest of the "genocide being visited on Gaza" by the IDF, even in front of a synagogue. I would point out that there are Jews that waive the Palistinian flag http://mondoweiss.ne t/2014/07/jewish-sta nd-people.html That Jews have protested against Israeli actions in Gaza And that Holocaust survivors and their families have been opposed to Israels actions in Gaza Clearly Israel has given people good cause to protest about its actions. As for protests outside places of worship as long as they are peacfull and move on then I see no problem with getting the message across to friends of Israel wherever they be that the actions of Israel have been obscene and should not be tolerated.[/p][/quote]But that's assuming that all Jews are zionists. I'm not Jewish but I see a lot of blatant anti semitism or in actuality anti Judaism and perpetrated by our biased media namely the BBC and the Guardian. It's heinous that innocents die. Including the three Jewish kids kidnapped and murdered by Hamas, that the incensed of the left seem to omit from their list of atrocities. I cannot understand why pious Jews want to aggravate the situation by settling on the West Bank. I'll never understand the Hamas supporters who paint a Star of David on a poor little donkey then stone it to death. I do understand that Israel has a right to exist, and the day it stops fighting then the peace loving Arab nations will immediately annihilate it, as is their rhetoric to do so. And the I do know that the left will maintain its traditional pro Arab stance and opt not to report impartially.[/p][/quote]really I see a very pro Israel media What is needed is unequivocally condemnation of the massacre of Palestinians in Gaza. Something like this signed by 40 Holocaust survivors and hundreeds of their relatives. NO EXCUSES "Jewish survivors and descendants of survivors and victims of Nazi genocide unequivocally condemn the massacre of Palestinians in Gaza As Jewish survivors and descendants of survivors and victims of the Nazi genocide we unequivocally condemn the massacre of Palestinians in Gaza and the ongoing occupation and colonization of historic Palestine. We further condemn the United States for providing Israel with the funding to carry out the attack, and Western states more generally for using their diplomatic muscle to protect Israel from condemnation. Genocide begins with the silence of the world. We are alarmed by the extreme, racist dehumanization of Palestinians in Israeli society, which has reached a fever-pitch. In Israel, politicians and pundits in The Times of Israel and The Jerusalem Post have called openly for genocide of Palestinians and right-wing Israelis are adopting Neo-Nazi insignia. Furthermore, we are disgusted and outraged by Elie Wiesel’s abuse of our history in these pages to justify the unjustifiable: Israel’s wholesale effort to destroy Gaza and the murder of more than 2,000 Palestinians, including many hundreds of children. Nothing can justify bombing UN shelters, homes, hospitals and universities. Nothing can justify depriving people of electricity and water. We must raise our collective voices and use our collective power to bring about an end to all forms of racism, including the ongoing genocide of Palestinian people. We call for an immediate end to the siege against and blockade of Gaza. We call for the full economic, cultural and academic boycott of Israel. “Never again” must mean NEVER AGAIN FOR ANYONE!" My personal opinion is that I will outlive the present Israeli empire (old as I am), but that is an irrelvance what Israel is doing now is a wrong and all there is nowt wrong with protesting about it. ancientandageing
  • Score: -1

6:57am Sat 30 Aug 14

lutondown says...

Harry Caine wrote:
I nearly forgot, can we have a proper valid reference to the allegation about the donkey please?
Of course and yes I am the goy ....interesting use of derogatory terminology and again demonstrates your blatant anti semitism, whilst again demonstrates that alongside your belief you have to be Jewish to objective in this situation.
Btw My names Harry Caine, your thoughts on the three murdered Israeli teens that kicked this latest fire off? Your silence is deafening.
The Donkey? Google it, it's there to see.
Now got to go as I'm tired due to last nights candle lighting..
*candle goy
[quote][p][bold]Harry Caine[/bold] wrote: I nearly forgot, can we have a proper valid reference to the allegation about the donkey please?[/p][/quote]Of course and yes I am the goy ....interesting use of derogatory terminology and again demonstrates your blatant anti semitism, whilst again demonstrates that alongside your belief you have to be Jewish to objective in this situation. Btw My names Harry Caine, your thoughts on the three murdered Israeli teens that kicked this latest fire off? Your silence is deafening. The Donkey? Google it, it's there to see. Now got to go as I'm tired due to last nights candle lighting.. *candle goy lutondown
  • Score: 4

7:00am Sat 30 Aug 14

lutondown says...

ancientandageing wrote:
lutondown wrote:
ancientandageing wrote:
Maybe there actually was no race relayted crime.
It is not a crime to wave a flag in protest of the "genocide being visited on Gaza" by the IDF, even in front of a synagogue.
I would point out that there are Jews that waive the Palistinian flag http://mondoweiss.ne



t/2014/07/jewish-sta



nd-people.html
That Jews have protested against Israeli actions in Gaza
And that Holocaust survivors and their families have been opposed to Israels actions in Gaza

Clearly Israel has given people good cause to protest about its actions.
As for protests outside places of worship as long as they are peacfull and move on then I see no problem with getting the message across to friends of Israel wherever they be that the actions of Israel have been obscene and should not be tolerated.
But that's assuming that all Jews are zionists.
I'm not Jewish but I see a lot of blatant anti semitism or in actuality anti Judaism and perpetrated by our biased media namely the BBC and the Guardian.
It's heinous that innocents die. Including the three Jewish kids kidnapped and murdered by Hamas, that the incensed of the left seem to omit from their list of atrocities.
I cannot understand why pious Jews want to aggravate the situation by settling on the West Bank.
I'll never understand the Hamas supporters who paint a Star of David on a poor little donkey then stone it to death.
I do understand that Israel has a right to exist, and the day it stops fighting then the peace loving Arab nations will immediately annihilate it, as is their rhetoric to do so.
And the I do know that the left will maintain its traditional pro Arab stance and opt not to report impartially.
really I see a very pro Israel media
What is needed is unequivocally condemnation of the massacre of Palestinians in Gaza. Something like this signed by 40 Holocaust survivors and hundreeds of their relatives.
NO EXCUSES
"Jewish survivors and descendants of survivors and victims of Nazi genocide unequivocally condemn the massacre of Palestinians in Gaza
As Jewish survivors and descendants of survivors and victims of the Nazi genocide we unequivocally condemn the massacre of Palestinians in Gaza and the ongoing occupation and colonization of historic Palestine. We further condemn the United States for providing Israel with the funding to carry out the attack, and Western states more generally for using their diplomatic muscle to protect Israel from condemnation. Genocide begins with the silence of the world.



We are alarmed by the extreme, racist dehumanization of Palestinians in Israeli society, which has reached a fever-pitch. In Israel, politicians and pundits in The Times of Israel and The Jerusalem Post have called openly for genocide of Palestinians and right-wing Israelis are adopting Neo-Nazi insignia.



Furthermore, we are disgusted and outraged by Elie Wiesel’s abuse of our history in these pages to justify the unjustifiable: Israel’s wholesale effort to destroy Gaza and the murder of more than 2,000 Palestinians, including many hundreds of children. Nothing can justify bombing UN shelters, homes, hospitals and universities. Nothing can justify depriving people of electricity and water.



We must raise our collective voices and use our collective power to bring about an end to all forms of racism, including the ongoing genocide of Palestinian people. We call for an immediate end to the siege against and blockade of Gaza. We call for the full economic, cultural and academic boycott of Israel. “Never again” must mean NEVER AGAIN FOR ANYONE!"

My personal opinion is that I will outlive the present Israeli empire (old as I am), but that is an irrelvance what Israel is doing now is a wrong and all there is nowt wrong with protesting about it.
Outlive the current Israeli empire? You old tool. What empire? A tiny dot in an Arab dominated land. That comment obviously is your desire to see Israel and its Jewish population pushed back into the sea.
Typical left wing fascism.
[quote][p][bold]ancientandageing[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lutondown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ancientandageing[/bold] wrote: Maybe there actually was no race relayted crime. It is not a crime to wave a flag in protest of the "genocide being visited on Gaza" by the IDF, even in front of a synagogue. I would point out that there are Jews that waive the Palistinian flag http://mondoweiss.ne t/2014/07/jewish-sta nd-people.html That Jews have protested against Israeli actions in Gaza And that Holocaust survivors and their families have been opposed to Israels actions in Gaza Clearly Israel has given people good cause to protest about its actions. As for protests outside places of worship as long as they are peacfull and move on then I see no problem with getting the message across to friends of Israel wherever they be that the actions of Israel have been obscene and should not be tolerated.[/p][/quote]But that's assuming that all Jews are zionists. I'm not Jewish but I see a lot of blatant anti semitism or in actuality anti Judaism and perpetrated by our biased media namely the BBC and the Guardian. It's heinous that innocents die. Including the three Jewish kids kidnapped and murdered by Hamas, that the incensed of the left seem to omit from their list of atrocities. I cannot understand why pious Jews want to aggravate the situation by settling on the West Bank. I'll never understand the Hamas supporters who paint a Star of David on a poor little donkey then stone it to death. I do understand that Israel has a right to exist, and the day it stops fighting then the peace loving Arab nations will immediately annihilate it, as is their rhetoric to do so. And the I do know that the left will maintain its traditional pro Arab stance and opt not to report impartially.[/p][/quote]really I see a very pro Israel media What is needed is unequivocally condemnation of the massacre of Palestinians in Gaza. Something like this signed by 40 Holocaust survivors and hundreeds of their relatives. NO EXCUSES "Jewish survivors and descendants of survivors and victims of Nazi genocide unequivocally condemn the massacre of Palestinians in Gaza As Jewish survivors and descendants of survivors and victims of the Nazi genocide we unequivocally condemn the massacre of Palestinians in Gaza and the ongoing occupation and colonization of historic Palestine. We further condemn the United States for providing Israel with the funding to carry out the attack, and Western states more generally for using their diplomatic muscle to protect Israel from condemnation. Genocide begins with the silence of the world. We are alarmed by the extreme, racist dehumanization of Palestinians in Israeli society, which has reached a fever-pitch. In Israel, politicians and pundits in The Times of Israel and The Jerusalem Post have called openly for genocide of Palestinians and right-wing Israelis are adopting Neo-Nazi insignia. Furthermore, we are disgusted and outraged by Elie Wiesel’s abuse of our history in these pages to justify the unjustifiable: Israel’s wholesale effort to destroy Gaza and the murder of more than 2,000 Palestinians, including many hundreds of children. Nothing can justify bombing UN shelters, homes, hospitals and universities. Nothing can justify depriving people of electricity and water. We must raise our collective voices and use our collective power to bring about an end to all forms of racism, including the ongoing genocide of Palestinian people. We call for an immediate end to the siege against and blockade of Gaza. We call for the full economic, cultural and academic boycott of Israel. “Never again” must mean NEVER AGAIN FOR ANYONE!" My personal opinion is that I will outlive the present Israeli empire (old as I am), but that is an irrelvance what Israel is doing now is a wrong and all there is nowt wrong with protesting about it.[/p][/quote]Outlive the current Israeli empire? You old tool. What empire? A tiny dot in an Arab dominated land. That comment obviously is your desire to see Israel and its Jewish population pushed back into the sea. Typical left wing fascism. lutondown
  • Score: 4

9:39am Sat 30 Aug 14

ancientandageing says...

@lutondown
It is an empire what else would you call occupying and colonizing territory whilst oppressing the inhabitants as second class citizens? I suppose you could call it an Apartheid State, but that would be equally as offensive to you and somewhat less accurate because of the Historical aspect and the fact that it has land ceased and held by force of arms against the will of the people that live there. So today despite mass exodus of Palestinians to Neighbouring countries the demographics of Israel are 75% Jewish and 21% Arab lump in Gaza where Israel obviously rules as by constantly mowing the lawn and manipulating everything from politics to diet within Gaza; you have a near enough 50/50 Jewish/Arab split. No it is an Empire!!
Is such rule tenable? I would say not in the medium term, and have said that, I believe history has taught us this, the Empire will either fall or changee. As professional and well organized as all may seem in Israel it will have to change or fall. Look at south Africa of 1974 it seemed solid well organized and Apartheid seemed impenetrable, yet in 1994 it was gone. Now granted in Israel the figures are different but even the Tyranny of the majority will not last, not when there is such a clear distinction between the parties as exist today and not when the bully has resorted to the iron fist!!
As for being a left wing tool, either that is just a crude insult or description of me as a person who is being used by the left wing, if the former then well .. I would humbly suggest that says more about you than me!
If the later then I am proud to be left wing because by your logic it is only the left wing that wants to do anything about the wretched abuse of human rights and the outrageous war crimes committed by the fascist Israel “visiting a genocide” on Gaza I ask you who is the Nazi now??.
Although in realty as stated in my previous post there is condemnition from many quarters about Israels behaviour including Holocaust surivors as qouted.
@lutondown It is an empire what else would you call occupying and colonizing territory whilst oppressing the inhabitants as second class citizens? I suppose you could call it an Apartheid State, but that would be equally as offensive to you and somewhat less accurate because of the Historical aspect and the fact that it has land ceased and held by force of arms against the will of the people that live there. So today despite mass exodus of Palestinians to Neighbouring countries the demographics of Israel are 75% Jewish and 21% Arab lump in Gaza where Israel obviously rules as by constantly mowing the lawn and manipulating everything from politics to diet within Gaza; you have a near enough 50/50 Jewish/Arab split. No it is an Empire!! Is such rule tenable? I would say not in the medium term, and have said that, I believe history has taught us this, the Empire will either fall or changee. As professional and well organized as all may seem in Israel it will have to change or fall. Look at south Africa of 1974 it seemed solid well organized and Apartheid seemed impenetrable, yet in 1994 it was gone. Now granted in Israel the figures are different but even the Tyranny of the majority will not last, not when there is such a clear distinction between the parties as exist today and not when the bully has resorted to the iron fist!! As for being a left wing tool, either that is just a crude insult or description of me as a person who is being used by the left wing, if the former then well .. I would humbly suggest that says more about you than me! If the later then I am proud to be left wing because by your logic it is only the left wing that wants to do anything about the wretched abuse of human rights and the outrageous war crimes committed by the fascist Israel “visiting a genocide” on Gaza I ask you who is the Nazi now??. Although in realty as stated in my previous post there is condemnition from many quarters about Israels behaviour including Holocaust surivors as qouted. ancientandageing
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9:44am Sat 30 Aug 14

ancientandageing says...

lutondown wrote:
Harry Caine wrote:
I nearly forgot, can we have a proper valid reference to the allegation about the donkey please?
Of course and yes I am the goy ....interesting use of derogatory terminology and again demonstrates your blatant anti semitism, whilst again demonstrates that alongside your belief you have to be Jewish to objective in this situation.
Btw My names Harry Caine, your thoughts on the three murdered Israeli teens that kicked this latest fire off? Your silence is deafening.
The Donkey? Google it, it's there to see.
Now got to go as I'm tired due to last nights candle lighting..
*candle goy
THIS IS THE ONLY POST TO DATE THAT COULD BE READ AS BEING ANTI SEMITIC >>>> JUST SAYING
[quote][p][bold]lutondown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harry Caine[/bold] wrote: I nearly forgot, can we have a proper valid reference to the allegation about the donkey please?[/p][/quote]Of course and yes I am the goy ....interesting use of derogatory terminology and again demonstrates your blatant anti semitism, whilst again demonstrates that alongside your belief you have to be Jewish to objective in this situation. Btw My names Harry Caine, your thoughts on the three murdered Israeli teens that kicked this latest fire off? Your silence is deafening. The Donkey? Google it, it's there to see. Now got to go as I'm tired due to last nights candle lighting.. *candle goy[/p][/quote]THIS IS THE ONLY POST TO DATE THAT COULD BE READ AS BEING ANTI SEMITIC >>>> JUST SAYING ancientandageing
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10:27am Sat 30 Aug 14

lutondown says...

ancientandageing wrote:
lutondown wrote:
Harry Caine wrote:
I nearly forgot, can we have a proper valid reference to the allegation about the donkey please?
Of course and yes I am the goy ....interesting use of derogatory terminology and again demonstrates your blatant anti semitism, whilst again demonstrates that alongside your belief you have to be Jewish to objective in this situation.
Btw My names Harry Caine, your thoughts on the three murdered Israeli teens that kicked this latest fire off? Your silence is deafening.
The Donkey? Google it, it's there to see.
Now got to go as I'm tired due to last nights candle lighting..
*candle goy
THIS IS THE ONLY POST TO DATE THAT COULD BE READ AS BEING ANTI SEMITIC >>>> JUST SAYING
If you like old tool
[quote][p][bold]ancientandageing[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lutondown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harry Caine[/bold] wrote: I nearly forgot, can we have a proper valid reference to the allegation about the donkey please?[/p][/quote]Of course and yes I am the goy ....interesting use of derogatory terminology and again demonstrates your blatant anti semitism, whilst again demonstrates that alongside your belief you have to be Jewish to objective in this situation. Btw My names Harry Caine, your thoughts on the three murdered Israeli teens that kicked this latest fire off? Your silence is deafening. The Donkey? Google it, it's there to see. Now got to go as I'm tired due to last nights candle lighting.. *candle goy[/p][/quote]THIS IS THE ONLY POST TO DATE THAT COULD BE READ AS BEING ANTI SEMITIC >>>> JUST SAYING[/p][/quote]If you like old tool lutondown
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10:38am Sat 30 Aug 14

ancientandageing says...

oh the Irony
oh the Irony ancientandageing
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10:40am Sat 30 Aug 14

lutondown says...

ancientandageing wrote:
lutondown wrote:
Harry Caine wrote:
I nearly forgot, can we have a proper valid reference to the allegation about the donkey please?
Of course and yes I am the goy ....interesting use of derogatory terminology and again demonstrates your blatant anti semitism, whilst again demonstrates that alongside your belief you have to be Jewish to objective in this situation.
Btw My names Harry Caine, your thoughts on the three murdered Israeli teens that kicked this latest fire off? Your silence is deafening.
The Donkey? Google it, it's there to see.
Now got to go as I'm tired due to last nights candle lighting..
*candle goy
THIS IS THE ONLY POST TO DATE THAT COULD BE READ AS BEING ANTI SEMITIC >>>> JUST SAYING
And you opt to ignore Harry Pains insinuation that I was lying about not being Jewish ( I'm fairly well known on here and known to many posters) or I'm being paid!!!
It's very obvious what your thinking is, no doubt the same university of thought as most left wing lecturers on modern ( selective) history.
Still no comment on the three murdered Israeli teens I note.
Look forward to your next monologue and biased lecture
[quote][p][bold]ancientandageing[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lutondown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harry Caine[/bold] wrote: I nearly forgot, can we have a proper valid reference to the allegation about the donkey please?[/p][/quote]Of course and yes I am the goy ....interesting use of derogatory terminology and again demonstrates your blatant anti semitism, whilst again demonstrates that alongside your belief you have to be Jewish to objective in this situation. Btw My names Harry Caine, your thoughts on the three murdered Israeli teens that kicked this latest fire off? Your silence is deafening. The Donkey? Google it, it's there to see. Now got to go as I'm tired due to last nights candle lighting.. *candle goy[/p][/quote]THIS IS THE ONLY POST TO DATE THAT COULD BE READ AS BEING ANTI SEMITIC >>>> JUST SAYING[/p][/quote]And you opt to ignore Harry Pains insinuation that I was lying about not being Jewish ( I'm fairly well known on here and known to many posters) or I'm being paid!!! It's very obvious what your thinking is, no doubt the same university of thought as most left wing lecturers on modern ( selective) history. Still no comment on the three murdered Israeli teens I note. Look forward to your next monologue and biased lecture lutondown
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11:05am Sat 30 Aug 14

ancientandageing says...

lutondown wrote:
ancientandageing wrote:
lutondown wrote:
Harry Caine wrote:
I nearly forgot, can we have a proper valid reference to the allegation about the donkey please?
Of course and yes I am the goy ....interesting use of derogatory terminology and again demonstrates your blatant anti semitism, whilst again demonstrates that alongside your belief you have to be Jewish to objective in this situation.
Btw My names Harry Caine, your thoughts on the three murdered Israeli teens that kicked this latest fire off? Your silence is deafening.
The Donkey? Google it, it's there to see.
Now got to go as I'm tired due to last nights candle lighting..
*candle goy
THIS IS THE ONLY POST TO DATE THAT COULD BE READ AS BEING ANTI SEMITIC >>>> JUST SAYING
And you opt to ignore Harry Pains insinuation that I was lying about not being Jewish ( I'm fairly well known on here and known to many posters) or I'm being paid!!!
It's very obvious what your thinking is, no doubt the same university of thought as most left wing lecturers on modern ( selective) history.
Still no comment on the three murdered Israeli teens I note.
Look forward to your next monologue and biased lecture
Yawn
you still wish to give Israel an excuse, I think the accusation was that you are acting on Israels behalf, no doubt harry will put me right on this.
Moving on as I must becouse you simply will not let it go
The three what of them??
Clearly it is biased to justify the actions of Israel on the basis of the murder of these three, it does not justify the illegal actions of Israel in Gaza simple,any more than the bombing of Biddy Mulligans would have justified Eira bombing Loyalist Belfast as punishment, or bombing Athletico Bilbao becouse of the actions of ETA.
You simply do not put one wrong right by going out and commiting a much larger wrong, you just assert the rule might is right, live by that rule and Israel is begging to die by it (eventually), far better to find another way IMHO
[quote][p][bold]lutondown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ancientandageing[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lutondown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harry Caine[/bold] wrote: I nearly forgot, can we have a proper valid reference to the allegation about the donkey please?[/p][/quote]Of course and yes I am the goy ....interesting use of derogatory terminology and again demonstrates your blatant anti semitism, whilst again demonstrates that alongside your belief you have to be Jewish to objective in this situation. Btw My names Harry Caine, your thoughts on the three murdered Israeli teens that kicked this latest fire off? Your silence is deafening. The Donkey? Google it, it's there to see. Now got to go as I'm tired due to last nights candle lighting.. *candle goy[/p][/quote]THIS IS THE ONLY POST TO DATE THAT COULD BE READ AS BEING ANTI SEMITIC >>>> JUST SAYING[/p][/quote]And you opt to ignore Harry Pains insinuation that I was lying about not being Jewish ( I'm fairly well known on here and known to many posters) or I'm being paid!!! It's very obvious what your thinking is, no doubt the same university of thought as most left wing lecturers on modern ( selective) history. Still no comment on the three murdered Israeli teens I note. Look forward to your next monologue and biased lecture[/p][/quote]Yawn you still wish to give Israel an excuse, I think the accusation was that you are acting on Israels behalf, no doubt harry will put me right on this. Moving on as I must becouse you simply will not let it go The three what of them?? Clearly it is biased to justify the actions of Israel on the basis of the murder of these three, it does not justify the illegal actions of Israel in Gaza simple,any more than the bombing of Biddy Mulligans would have justified Eira bombing Loyalist Belfast as punishment, or bombing Athletico Bilbao becouse of the actions of ETA. You simply do not put one wrong right by going out and commiting a much larger wrong, you just assert the rule might is right, live by that rule and Israel is begging to die by it (eventually), far better to find another way IMHO ancientandageing
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1:12pm Sat 30 Aug 14

LSC says...

I do find the comparisons to Northern Ireland and this situation interesting. The IRA regularly fired multiple mortars at un-suspecting targets. Bombs were common, and many, many civilians and soldiers were kidnapped, tortured and killed in cold blood.
On the whole, it appears we knew who was doing it, but our answer was not to load up a Tornado and bomb one side of the Falls Road. I'm very pleased we didn't; to me, the inevitable collateral damage would not have been worth it, not to mention the longer term effects of hatred that would ensue.
Do you remember the massive outcry when 3 known members of the IRA, devoted to our destruction, were shot in Gibraltar? Turns out they were unarmed and at that point no threat.
Or the Guildford 4, Birmingham 6, or Maguire 7, who all turned out to be innocent of the things they were accused of?
Rather a good job we didn't just bomb their houses, killing a few neighbours in the process, don't you think?
I do find the comparisons to Northern Ireland and this situation interesting. The IRA regularly fired multiple mortars at un-suspecting targets. Bombs were common, and many, many civilians and soldiers were kidnapped, tortured and killed in cold blood. On the whole, it appears we knew who was doing it, but our answer was not to load up a Tornado and bomb one side of the Falls Road. I'm very pleased we didn't; to me, the inevitable collateral damage would not have been worth it, not to mention the longer term effects of hatred that would ensue. Do you remember the massive outcry when 3 known members of the IRA, devoted to our destruction, were shot in Gibraltar? Turns out they were unarmed and at that point no threat. Or the Guildford 4, Birmingham 6, or Maguire 7, who all turned out to be innocent of the things they were accused of? Rather a good job we didn't just bomb their houses, killing a few neighbours in the process, don't you think? LSC
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10:45pm Sun 31 Aug 14

Roy Stockdill says...

Interesting that there isn't a single comment here from the Guardianista Loony Lefties about the barbaric atrocities and genocide being committed in Syria and Iraq by the psychopathic hordes of uncivilised Arab / Muslim savages from the Dark Ages who want to behead anyone who doesn't agree with them..

Whatever the Israelis may be doing in Gaza, they are no threat to us in this country, which is all most of us care about. On the contrary, the crazed lunatics who call themselves Jihadists, several hundred of them supposedly British, represent an evil fascist empire that wants to drag the entire world back many, many centuries, based on the rantings of a book written 1500 years ago by a madman and so-called prophet.

This is the real danger facing the world, not Israel, which has a right to exist and defend itself. The Arab countries could easily assimilate the Palestinian refugees if they chose to do so, but of course they don't. In their appalling political cynicism, they choose to use the unfortunate Palestinians as pawns and human shields while Hamas continues to attack Israel with their hidden rockets. Honestly, the naivety and lies of the Left defies belief!
Interesting that there isn't a single comment here from the Guardianista Loony Lefties about the barbaric atrocities and genocide being committed in Syria and Iraq by the psychopathic hordes of uncivilised Arab / Muslim savages from the Dark Ages who want to behead anyone who doesn't agree with them.. Whatever the Israelis may be doing in Gaza, they are no threat to us in this country, which is all most of us care about. On the contrary, the crazed lunatics who call themselves Jihadists, several hundred of them supposedly British, represent an evil fascist empire that wants to drag the entire world back many, many centuries, based on the rantings of a book written 1500 years ago by a madman and so-called prophet. This is the real danger facing the world, not Israel, which has a right to exist and defend itself. The Arab countries could easily assimilate the Palestinian refugees if they chose to do so, but of course they don't. In their appalling political cynicism, they choose to use the unfortunate Palestinians as pawns and human shields while Hamas continues to attack Israel with their hidden rockets. Honestly, the naivety and lies of the Left defies belief! Roy Stockdill
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11:32pm Sun 31 Aug 14

ancientandageing says...

Roy Stockdill wrote:
Interesting that there isn't a single comment here from the Guardianista Loony Lefties about the barbaric atrocities and genocide being committed in Syria and Iraq by the psychopathic hordes of uncivilised Arab / Muslim savages from the Dark Ages who want to behead anyone who doesn't agree with them..

Whatever the Israelis may be doing in Gaza, they are no threat to us in this country, which is all most of us care about. On the contrary, the crazed lunatics who call themselves Jihadists, several hundred of them supposedly British, represent an evil fascist empire that wants to drag the entire world back many, many centuries, based on the rantings of a book written 1500 years ago by a madman and so-called prophet.

This is the real danger facing the world, not Israel, which has a right to exist and defend itself. The Arab countries could easily assimilate the Palestinian refugees if they chose to do so, but of course they don't. In their appalling political cynicism, they choose to use the unfortunate Palestinians as pawns and human shields while Hamas continues to attack Israel with their hidden rockets. Honestly, the naivety and lies of the Left defies belief!
and this excuses the actions of Israel how exactly???

Plus on the day that UK based Islam has issued a Fatwa denouncing these evils by ISIS I think you need to get more in touch with the news, read the posts you will find it is not just the left, although as I leftie part of me would be proud if it were.
[quote][p][bold]Roy Stockdill[/bold] wrote: Interesting that there isn't a single comment here from the Guardianista Loony Lefties about the barbaric atrocities and genocide being committed in Syria and Iraq by the psychopathic hordes of uncivilised Arab / Muslim savages from the Dark Ages who want to behead anyone who doesn't agree with them.. Whatever the Israelis may be doing in Gaza, they are no threat to us in this country, which is all most of us care about. On the contrary, the crazed lunatics who call themselves Jihadists, several hundred of them supposedly British, represent an evil fascist empire that wants to drag the entire world back many, many centuries, based on the rantings of a book written 1500 years ago by a madman and so-called prophet. This is the real danger facing the world, not Israel, which has a right to exist and defend itself. The Arab countries could easily assimilate the Palestinian refugees if they chose to do so, but of course they don't. In their appalling political cynicism, they choose to use the unfortunate Palestinians as pawns and human shields while Hamas continues to attack Israel with their hidden rockets. Honestly, the naivety and lies of the Left defies belief![/p][/quote]and this excuses the actions of Israel how exactly??? Plus on the day that UK based Islam has issued a Fatwa denouncing these evils by ISIS I think you need to get more in touch with the news, read the posts you will find it is not just the left, although as I leftie part of me would be proud if it were. ancientandageing
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10:31am Mon 1 Sep 14

garston tony says...

Didn’t a local Cllr who was in a local café say he, and others, heard all sorts of vile anti semetic comments? Isnt that sort of evidence relevant?

I’m not going to bash the police on their investigation, none of us where there and none of us know what the police where told. If nothing actually happened that was a race related crime or if the witnesses did not tell the police what they saw/heard that is hardly the coppers fault is it.


As to what is happening in Israel, there is wrong on both sides. What kicked it off this time was the murder of three youths, allegedly by Palestinians. Does that justify the revenge killing of a Palestinian kid (don’t think you mentioned that yourself Lutondown) by Israeli Jews no, nor does it justify the killing of what is it now? Over 2,000 other innocent Palestinian civilians. I know I know, the IDF say they are bombing Hamas targets who are rocketing Israel. But I believe only 6 people have died in Hamas rocket attacks whilst the above number + have been killed by Israeli rockets and bombs. Overkill seems the perfect word for it.

Regardless of if they are right or wrong the Israeli state is coming across as a genocidal bully, especially when you also remember all the other freedoms they have denied the Palestinians in Gaza. Right to move, right to trade, right to work, right to clean water and power etc. I just don’t see how a nation state whose population went through so much in the ghettos of Warsaw let alone across Europe during WW2 can in their own minds justify what they are doing to the Palestinian people.
Didn’t a local Cllr who was in a local café say he, and others, heard all sorts of vile anti semetic comments? Isnt that sort of evidence relevant? I’m not going to bash the police on their investigation, none of us where there and none of us know what the police where told. If nothing actually happened that was a race related crime or if the witnesses did not tell the police what they saw/heard that is hardly the coppers fault is it. As to what is happening in Israel, there is wrong on both sides. What kicked it off this time was the murder of three youths, allegedly by Palestinians. Does that justify the revenge killing of a Palestinian kid (don’t think you mentioned that yourself Lutondown) by Israeli Jews no, nor does it justify the killing of what is it now? Over 2,000 other innocent Palestinian civilians. I know I know, the IDF say they are bombing Hamas targets who are rocketing Israel. But I believe only 6 people have died in Hamas rocket attacks whilst the above number + have been killed by Israeli rockets and bombs. Overkill seems the perfect word for it. Regardless of if they are right or wrong the Israeli state is coming across as a genocidal bully, especially when you also remember all the other freedoms they have denied the Palestinians in Gaza. Right to move, right to trade, right to work, right to clean water and power etc. I just don’t see how a nation state whose population went through so much in the ghettos of Warsaw let alone across Europe during WW2 can in their own minds justify what they are doing to the Palestinian people. garston tony
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10:55am Mon 1 Sep 14

Roy Stockdill says...

Israel is fighting for its very right to exist and has been doing so for many years, ever since its inception in fact, against a giant conglomerate of Arab states who want nothing more than the total destruction of Israel. As I said earlier, the Arab states could easily assimilate the Palestinian refugees and give them a home but they WON'T! They choose to keep them right in the front line as helpless pawns in their endless war game against Israel. In these circumstances, it is hardly surprising that Israel may have over-reacted sometimes.

The other factor, of course, is that the Israelis and their Western allies live in the 21st century, while the Arabs nations live largely in the Middle Ages, with billions held in thrall by the poisonous, perverted, barbaric, medieval culture that they are brainwashed and indoctrinated with from the day they are born. If only the world could be rid of the evils of Islam and its backward, barbaric philosophy.....!

And, BTW, it has taken UK Muslims far, far too long to denounce the madness and genocide of Syria and Iraq. They have sat on their hands and paid lip service to the horrific atrocities, while doing next to nothing to condemn the lunatic jihadists who are British. Too little too late!
Israel is fighting for its very right to exist and has been doing so for many years, ever since its inception in fact, against a giant conglomerate of Arab states who want nothing more than the total destruction of Israel. As I said earlier, the Arab states could easily assimilate the Palestinian refugees and give them a home but they WON'T! They choose to keep them right in the front line as helpless pawns in their endless war game against Israel. In these circumstances, it is hardly surprising that Israel may have over-reacted sometimes. The other factor, of course, is that the Israelis and their Western allies live in the 21st century, while the Arabs nations live largely in the Middle Ages, with billions held in thrall by the poisonous, perverted, barbaric, medieval culture that they are brainwashed and indoctrinated with from the day they are born. If only the world could be rid of the evils of Islam and its backward, barbaric philosophy.....! And, BTW, it has taken UK Muslims far, far too long to denounce the madness and genocide of Syria and Iraq. They have sat on their hands and paid lip service to the horrific atrocities, while doing next to nothing to condemn the lunatic jihadists who are British. Too little too late! Roy Stockdill
  • Score: -2

12:03pm Mon 1 Sep 14

garston tony says...

Roy the very tragic murders of three young Israeli’s, and the revenge murder of a Palestinian, does not equate the Israeli state fighting for its existence.

The fact that Israel have killed, again, several thousand innocent Palestinians seems to suggest that it is they whose existence is at risk!

Lets not forget that they have a prior claim to the land there prior to the creation of the Israeli state, how would you feel if someone else came into your home and took it over without a please or thank you and told you you could only live in the smallest room and that you couldn’t leave that room without permission, that what you ate and drank and what heating and electricity you had was at the mercy of the other occupants and that even your contact with the outside world was at their mercy.

Would you shrug your shoulders and go alright then, or would you be mightily annoyed?

I’m not saying that Palestinians being displaced back in the 40’s justifies all that that ‘side’ has done since against Israel, but they have a pretty good reason to be aggrieved don’t they. And yes horrific things where done to Jews in WW2 but that does not give them the right to treat others in the same manner.

Oh, and BTW you may want to change wherever you get your news from because I’ve been hearing for quite some time on media Muslims denouncing many acts that have been done by people who claim to be fellow believers.
Roy the very tragic murders of three young Israeli’s, and the revenge murder of a Palestinian, does not equate the Israeli state fighting for its existence. The fact that Israel have killed, again, several thousand innocent Palestinians seems to suggest that it is they whose existence is at risk! Lets not forget that they have a prior claim to the land there prior to the creation of the Israeli state, how would you feel if someone else came into your home and took it over without a please or thank you and told you you could only live in the smallest room and that you couldn’t leave that room without permission, that what you ate and drank and what heating and electricity you had was at the mercy of the other occupants and that even your contact with the outside world was at their mercy. Would you shrug your shoulders and go alright then, or would you be mightily annoyed? I’m not saying that Palestinians being displaced back in the 40’s justifies all that that ‘side’ has done since against Israel, but they have a pretty good reason to be aggrieved don’t they. And yes horrific things where done to Jews in WW2 but that does not give them the right to treat others in the same manner. Oh, and BTW you may want to change wherever you get your news from because I’ve been hearing for quite some time on media Muslims denouncing many acts that have been done by people who claim to be fellow believers. garston tony
  • Score: 2

12:49pm Mon 1 Sep 14

Roy Stockdill says...

I would agree that the problem of the Palestinians and Gaza dates back to the late 1940s and just after WWII when the state of Israel was created. I do not propose to go into the ins and outs of everything that went on then because it would take far too long, though let's not forget that some Jews then were terrorists too against us, the British! However, there have been many attempts to find a solution since then, all of which have failed largely because of the refusal of the Arab world to recognise Israel at all. Attempts to call a ceasefire and hold talks are always rebuffed by Hamas who want nothing less than the total destruction of Israel. I frankly see no solution until the intransigence of the Arab world is confronted, however they appear to be unwilling to negotiate in any shape or form, therefore the problem will go on and the plain and simple fact is that the Israelis will win because they have vastly superior firepower and political will, especially when backed by the West. Unless the Arab countries are willing to come to some kind of accommodation with Israel and the West they will go on losing and it will serve them right because they refuse to recognise plain and simply facts!
I would agree that the problem of the Palestinians and Gaza dates back to the late 1940s and just after WWII when the state of Israel was created. I do not propose to go into the ins and outs of everything that went on then because it would take far too long, though let's not forget that some Jews then were terrorists too against us, the British! However, there have been many attempts to find a solution since then, all of which have failed largely because of the refusal of the Arab world to recognise Israel at all. Attempts to call a ceasefire and hold talks are always rebuffed by Hamas who want nothing less than the total destruction of Israel. I frankly see no solution until the intransigence of the Arab world is confronted, however they appear to be unwilling to negotiate in any shape or form, therefore the problem will go on and the plain and simple fact is that the Israelis will win because they have vastly superior firepower and political will, especially when backed by the West. Unless the Arab countries are willing to come to some kind of accommodation with Israel and the West they will go on losing and it will serve them right because they refuse to recognise plain and simply facts! Roy Stockdill
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2:12pm Mon 1 Sep 14

garston tony says...

I’ll use my example again Roy, this group of people come into your home and you suddenly find that you are forced to live in one small room. When you protest and try and get these other people out they are too strong and you are beaten back, every now and then you kick up a fuss and are beaten back with overwhelming force and on a regular basis for no reason at all the people living in your house come in and throw stones at you and they have also been moving the walls so that the room you’re forced to stay in is getting smaller and smaller.

What would you hope your neighbours would do? Just sit by and think, that’s okay we don’t care about Roy’s suffering or would you think they would be in the right to try and force these people that have taken over your house out? Okay, they’ve tried and failed but would you then expect them to think stuff Roy we’ll become best friends forever with the johny come lately’s?

Seriously, you wonder why the Arabs don’t like the state of Israel!

Until Israel get the point that they are the trespassers here then the current situation will just continue to happen again and again and again just has this is just the latest in a long line of similar conflicts in the past
I’ll use my example again Roy, this group of people come into your home and you suddenly find that you are forced to live in one small room. When you protest and try and get these other people out they are too strong and you are beaten back, every now and then you kick up a fuss and are beaten back with overwhelming force and on a regular basis for no reason at all the people living in your house come in and throw stones at you and they have also been moving the walls so that the room you’re forced to stay in is getting smaller and smaller. What would you hope your neighbours would do? Just sit by and think, that’s okay we don’t care about Roy’s suffering or would you think they would be in the right to try and force these people that have taken over your house out? Okay, they’ve tried and failed but would you then expect them to think stuff Roy we’ll become best friends forever with the johny come lately’s? Seriously, you wonder why the Arabs don’t like the state of Israel! Until Israel get the point that they are the trespassers here then the current situation will just continue to happen again and again and again just has this is just the latest in a long line of similar conflicts in the past garston tony
  • Score: 1

3:17pm Mon 1 Sep 14

ancientandageing says...

Roy
Even Holocaust survivors have criticised Israel here, yet you still skirt over the issue and try and justify the unjustifiable, I just don’t get it, really! Now yes I skating over the bombing of the King David Hotel and booby-trapping the bodies of British soldiers by the fathers of modern day Israel, may be justified but this is not 1946 and whilst the actions of the IDF do seem to be deaply routed in the Terrorist past of its founders, As Tony says we should hold the state of Israel to a higher standard. They off all people should know better, it is not a new theme here Albert Einstein has criticised them on the basis of this sick Irony, but the Zionists continue to excuse Israel on the basis of this or that murder, or the actions of IS in a different country. Furthermore you ignore anything that does not fit in with your narrative, are you in denial of the slaughter in Gaza or do you really believe it is justified?
I don’t know what was said I can imagine that people might say Israel =Nazi stuff, that could be taken as being both offensive by Jewish people and true and reasonable hard hitting protest by supporters of Gaza. Given that a cllr said it was offensive I would say this may not be that far from the actual.
As well as looking at the news more I would also suggest that you look at History afresh, maybe LSC’s post on IRA might be worth a read, I would also suggest that you also think from time to time and not just jump on people as being Looney lefties or some such, whilst I am on the Left many are not, I would say if this is only a leftist thing then the left should be immensely proud, however it is not!!
Roy Even Holocaust survivors have criticised Israel here, yet you still skirt over the issue and try and justify the unjustifiable, I just don’t get it, really! Now yes I skating over the bombing of the King David Hotel and booby-trapping the bodies of British soldiers by the fathers of modern day Israel, may be justified but this is not 1946 and whilst the actions of the IDF do seem to be deaply routed in the Terrorist past of its founders, As Tony says we should hold the state of Israel to a higher standard. They off all people should know better, it is not a new theme here Albert Einstein has criticised them on the basis of this sick Irony, but the Zionists continue to excuse Israel on the basis of this or that murder, or the actions of IS in a different country. Furthermore you ignore anything that does not fit in with your narrative, are you in denial of the slaughter in Gaza or do you really believe it is justified? I don’t know what was said I can imagine that people might say Israel =Nazi stuff, that could be taken as being both offensive by Jewish people and true and reasonable hard hitting protest by supporters of Gaza. Given that a cllr said it was offensive I would say this may not be that far from the actual. As well as looking at the news more I would also suggest that you look at History afresh, maybe LSC’s post on IRA might be worth a read, I would also suggest that you also think from time to time and not just jump on people as being Looney lefties or some such, whilst I am on the Left many are not, I would say if this is only a leftist thing then the left should be immensely proud, however it is not!! ancientandageing
  • Score: 1

4:10pm Mon 1 Sep 14

LSC says...

I'm just speechless that I agree with Tony on a subject that touches on religion!
I'm just speechless that I agree with Tony on a subject that touches on religion! LSC
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5:58pm Mon 1 Sep 14

ancientandageing says...

http://www.democracy
now.org/2014/9/1/a_s
laughter_of_innocent
s_henry_siegman#.VAS
i3YMlAZA.twitter
might be worth viewing ROY, LSC &Tony
http://www.democracy now.org/2014/9/1/a_s laughter_of_innocent s_henry_siegman#.VAS i3YMlAZA.twitter might be worth viewing ROY, LSC &Tony ancientandageing
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6:29pm Mon 1 Sep 14

Roy Stockdill says...

Let's ask ourselves, just WHO is slaughtering far, far more innocents???

Is it the Israelis or the barbaric medieval savages who called themselves IS in Syria and Iraq? Who can blame the Jews who must be in fear that if they conquer Syria and Iraq the Muslim / Arabic hordes will turn on them - and indeed, us too? That the world should unite and defeat these animals is far more important in the overall picture and long term than the localised Gaza conflict.
Let's ask ourselves, just WHO is slaughtering far, far more innocents??? Is it the Israelis or the barbaric medieval savages who called themselves IS in Syria and Iraq? Who can blame the Jews who must be in fear that if they conquer Syria and Iraq the Muslim / Arabic hordes will turn on them - and indeed, us too? That the world should unite and defeat these animals is far more important in the overall picture and long term than the localised Gaza conflict. Roy Stockdill
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7:10pm Mon 1 Sep 14

LSC says...

Roy Stockdill wrote:
Let's ask ourselves, just WHO is slaughtering far, far more innocents???

Is it the Israelis or the barbaric medieval savages who called themselves IS in Syria and Iraq? Who can blame the Jews who must be in fear that if they conquer Syria and Iraq the Muslim / Arabic hordes will turn on them - and indeed, us too? That the world should unite and defeat these animals is far more important in the overall picture and long term than the localised Gaza conflict.
But we should also consider methods Roy. For me, extermination is not an option. I agree the loons on the Muslim side are a danger to us all. But simply dropping bombs on them is every bit as stupid as their ideas for the world.
[quote][p][bold]Roy Stockdill[/bold] wrote: Let's ask ourselves, just WHO is slaughtering far, far more innocents??? Is it the Israelis or the barbaric medieval savages who called themselves IS in Syria and Iraq? Who can blame the Jews who must be in fear that if they conquer Syria and Iraq the Muslim / Arabic hordes will turn on them - and indeed, us too? That the world should unite and defeat these animals is far more important in the overall picture and long term than the localised Gaza conflict.[/p][/quote]But we should also consider methods Roy. For me, extermination is not an option. I agree the loons on the Muslim side are a danger to us all. But simply dropping bombs on them is every bit as stupid as their ideas for the world. LSC
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7:53pm Mon 1 Sep 14

ancientandageing says...

@ roy what of Isis, what of Hamas. What of the the Ukraine, what of Zimbabwe, what of the Klingons, what of the Cyber men, what of them??
None of their actions justify the slaughter in Gaza, criticising the slaughter in Gaza does not justify the actions of ISIS or any on the list.
So basically what of them Roy ???
@ roy what of Isis, what of Hamas. What of the the Ukraine, what of Zimbabwe, what of the Klingons, what of the Cyber men, what of them?? None of their actions justify the slaughter in Gaza, criticising the slaughter in Gaza does not justify the actions of ISIS or any on the list. So basically what of them Roy ??? ancientandageing
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9:20pm Mon 1 Sep 14

lutondown says...

Roy Stockdill wrote:
Let's ask ourselves, just WHO is slaughtering far, far more innocents???

Is it the Israelis or the barbaric medieval savages who called themselves IS in Syria and Iraq? Who can blame the Jews who must be in fear that if they conquer Syria and Iraq the Muslim / Arabic hordes will turn on them - and indeed, us too? That the world should unite and defeat these animals is far more important in the overall picture and long term than the localised Gaza conflict.
Roy, I find you cannot argue with the loony left nor the insidious liberals.
If you get into any debate that involves the religion of peace, they tend to ignore facts.Hamas, Isis all fundamentally the same as far as we are concerned, a danger to our way of life. Their anti Israel stance is merely a mask for their anti semitism,an inherent and bizarre infection of the loony left.
Lets talk about the murder of Coptic Christians and other middle eastern denominations...far more than the killings in Gaza.
Lets talk about the the imminent murder of thousands of Kurds.
Because I refuse to kow tow to the general media based mid reporting of the situation I have been accused of either being Jewish or being paid by them to support them.
As an ex soldier I know of the Israeli terrorism via Irgun and the Stern gang etc, I dislike the settling in the West Bank and see it as antagonistic, but I do believe in israels right to exist and their right to defend themselves, for the moment they stop do to do so, they cease to exist.
And Tony, I have nothing to say to you on here, we've had this chat before, but I'd gladly meet up, and debate everything from the ME to Watford Fc with you. Jerk
[quote][p][bold]Roy Stockdill[/bold] wrote: Let's ask ourselves, just WHO is slaughtering far, far more innocents??? Is it the Israelis or the barbaric medieval savages who called themselves IS in Syria and Iraq? Who can blame the Jews who must be in fear that if they conquer Syria and Iraq the Muslim / Arabic hordes will turn on them - and indeed, us too? That the world should unite and defeat these animals is far more important in the overall picture and long term than the localised Gaza conflict.[/p][/quote]Roy, I find you cannot argue with the loony left nor the insidious liberals. If you get into any debate that involves the religion of peace, they tend to ignore facts.Hamas, Isis all fundamentally the same as far as we are concerned, a danger to our way of life. Their anti Israel stance is merely a mask for their anti semitism,an inherent and bizarre infection of the loony left. Lets talk about the murder of Coptic Christians and other middle eastern denominations...far more than the killings in Gaza. Lets talk about the the imminent murder of thousands of Kurds. Because I refuse to kow tow to the general media based mid reporting of the situation I have been accused of either being Jewish or being paid by them to support them. As an ex soldier I know of the Israeli terrorism via Irgun and the Stern gang etc, I dislike the settling in the West Bank and see it as antagonistic, but I do believe in israels right to exist and their right to defend themselves, for the moment they stop do to do so, they cease to exist. And Tony, I have nothing to say to you on here, we've had this chat before, but I'd gladly meet up, and debate everything from the ME to Watford Fc with you. Jerk lutondown
  • Score: -1

11:16pm Mon 1 Sep 14

ancientandageing says...

ah Lutondown
Roy, I find you cannot argue with the loony left nor the insidious liberals.

The reason being that, if by that you are reffering to me Tony and LSC, despite our differances we are broadly right and you and Roy are wrong.

None of what you say justifies the action of Israel in Gaza and the west bank, or indeed other occupied terrotries, I would go further and say the only thing you justify is the princple might is right and this principle is both wrong and a grave danger to Israel for it invites the very horror you fear.

Now ISIS we probably not last a year but maybe the decendents of ISIS will turn on Israel in 10 or 20 years I am certain that unless Israel changes I will outlast her
ah Lutondown Roy, I find you cannot argue with the loony left nor the insidious liberals. The reason being that, if by that you are reffering to me Tony and LSC, despite our differances we are broadly right and you and Roy are wrong. None of what you say justifies the action of Israel in Gaza and the west bank, or indeed other occupied terrotries, I would go further and say the only thing you justify is the princple might is right and this principle is both wrong and a grave danger to Israel for it invites the very horror you fear. Now ISIS we probably not last a year but maybe the decendents of ISIS will turn on Israel in 10 or 20 years I am certain that unless Israel changes I will outlast her ancientandageing
  • Score: 0
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