Postal workers to strike
4:23pm Thursday 20th September 2007
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Postal workers will stage two 48-hour national strikes next month - only adding to Watford's mail woes.
The Communication Workers Union (CWU) will protest over pay and Royal Mail's modernisation plans.The strikes will take place on October 5 and 6 and October 8 and 9 and will cause even further disruption at Watford's troubled sorting office in Ascot Road.Royal Mail has condemned the strike action and criticised the CWU for "failing during seven months of talks to produce any serious proposals that could help resolve the issues that lie between us and move the business forward".A Royal Mail statement said: "It is clear from our discussions that the CWU leadership does not begin to understand the challenges facing Royal Mail and the very serious consequences for the business if we do not push ahead and modernise."However Dave Ward, deputy general secretary of the CWU, said: "Despite five weeks of negotiations Royal Mail have failed to take on board the union's message that in order for the business to succeed Royal Mail need to invest in their workforce."Strikes are a proportionate response to an employer that is completely out of control. Rather than running the business, Royal Mail's actions demonstrate they are intent on destroying it."To comment on the latest plans to strike, and share your views as to how they could affect the services in Watford, fill out the form below.
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Paul Glaser, Oxhey says...
5:13pm Tue 21 Aug 07
Paul, Watford says...
5:15pm Tue 21 Aug 07
karen, watford says...
5:16pm Tue 21 Aug 07
barbelybob, watford says...
5:16pm Tue 21 Aug 07
martin, watford says...
6:00pm Tue 21 Aug 07
Alison, Watford says...
6:01pm Tue 21 Aug 07
cazza, Watford says...
6:23pm Tue 21 Aug 07
Watford Res, says...
6:30pm Tue 21 Aug 07
Dan, Leavesden says...
6:42pm Tue 21 Aug 07
Pat, watford says...
7:42pm Tue 21 Aug 07
James, Watford says...
7:49pm Tue 21 Aug 07
Stephen, Watford says...
8:09pm Tue 21 Aug 07
Watford Res, says...
8:50pm Tue 21 Aug 07
nicky, herts says...
10:37pm Tue 21 Aug 07
Dave, Watford says...
12:03am Wed 22 Aug 07
Pete., watford says...
12:45am Wed 22 Aug 07
fran, watford says...
12:52am Wed 22 Aug 07
Julie, Watford says...
1:01am Wed 22 Aug 07
Its a terrible time and and awfull worry,
Surly they should employ extra staff?
john, watford says...
1:05am Wed 22 Aug 07
Gary, Watford says...
6:19am Wed 22 Aug 07
WHATS BEING DONE TO RESOLVE THE BACK LOG MAIL ?
WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS DISGRACEFUL SITUATION ?
WHEN WILL I GET MY PACKAGE.?
WHO CAN WE LOG HOW COMPLAINTS WITH ?
JohnBoy, Watford says...
7:39am Wed 22 Aug 07
I'd advise everyone to write to him but by the time the letters arrived it would all be forgotten.
Stephen, Watford says...
7:44am Wed 22 Aug 07
berni, says...
9:11am Wed 22 Aug 07
Alison, Watford says...
9:20am Wed 22 Aug 07
Mark, Watford says...
9:22am Wed 22 Aug 07
Graham, watford says...
9:29am Wed 22 Aug 07
Dave wrote:Don't think so - who was on strike?
It's the incompetetn management at Watford Mail Centre who are to blame. NOT the postal workers
Eric, garston says...
9:29am Wed 22 Aug 07
The management should make them work to time to clear the backlog.
My post used to arrive at 0700, but now its anytime after 12. Who runs Ascot road sorting office ? Well i don't think its the management.
eric, garston says...
9:37am Wed 22 Aug 07
Graham wrote:I presume dave is a postal worker, probably waiting for the Rising sun to open
Dave wrote: It's the incompetetn management at Watford Mail Centre who are to blame. NOT the postal workersDon't think so - who was on strike?
Vince, Reality Town says...
9:41am Wed 22 Aug 07
maresa, watford says...
10:15am Wed 22 Aug 07
also waiting for a new phone which was posted over two weeks to us.and my partner is waiting for his insurance to come through so he can tax his car! its crazy ive not had any post at all for the last 3 days!
karen, Watford says...
10:22am Wed 22 Aug 07
bek, says...
10:44am Wed 22 Aug 07
dave, watford says...
10:49am Wed 22 Aug 07
Stephen May, South Oxhey says...
10:50am Wed 22 Aug 07
I help run a darts league and to keep upto date is getting worse because results are not arriving when the should.
Roy Stockdill, Garston says...
10:52am Wed 22 Aug 07
Once upon a time the Royal Mail used to be the most revered and respected institution in the land. Now it is the most REVILED. With increasing use of e-mail, faxes, couriers and alternative delivery services, it will eventually become irrelevant and probably disappear altogether. Will anyone miss it? I doubt it, since it is clear that Royal Mail would be sorely pressed to run a toffee stall in Watford Market.
Andy, watford says...
10:58am Wed 22 Aug 07
Misery guts, Watford says...
12:19pm Wed 22 Aug 07
Grace, Bushey says...
12:35pm Wed 22 Aug 07
We have also had other peoples mail who live in Bushey and have had to re-post them, and have also had my mail gone to other addresses, and have had them re-directed. Do we still have a First Class Post?
Jean, Garston says...
12:55pm Wed 22 Aug 07
I speak to my postman and he tells me they are all fed up with the way they are working now! In future I think I would prefer to pay for a courier to deliver any packages!!!!!!
The Plinth of Darkneth, Watford says...
1:02pm Wed 22 Aug 07
JohnBoy wrote:He's on the board of another rather large organisation too isn't he? :)
It's a total disgrace. While Adam Crozier enjoys his £1M+ salary there are people waiting for mail containing pain relief. I'd advise everyone to write to him but by the time the letters arrived it would all be forgotten.
vicky Burrows, Rickmansworth says...
1:07pm Wed 22 Aug 07
Lauren, Watford says...
1:12pm Wed 22 Aug 07
Ian, Watford says...
1:16pm Wed 22 Aug 07
wayne, watford says...
1:54pm Wed 22 Aug 07
Craig, says...
1:55pm Wed 22 Aug 07
What is going on?
Will I/WE be compensated?
who is to blame ?
these questions need to be answered, after all the paying public are the only ones who are left out of pocket.
Kelee, garston says...
2:12pm Wed 22 Aug 07
k, watford says...
2:36pm Wed 22 Aug 07
What will it take for someone in authority to act on this? Do Watford residents need to get the national media involved to hi-lite the problems?
hazel, leavesden says...
2:44pm Wed 22 Aug 07
Tom, Watford says...
3:00pm Wed 22 Aug 07
DVD sent on 16 August
Hospital Appointment - postmark 15 August
Building Society Statement dated 9 August
Credit card repackaged by Post Office on 8th August
Two important letters sent late July not received.
Andy, oxhey says...
3:23pm Wed 22 Aug 07
oh and after my letter was published on the 27/7 i got offencive text messages from an irate postie..
Alison, Watford says...
3:33pm Wed 22 Aug 07
eric wrote:They will probably transfer to the Harvester or the Fox & Hounds now that they have been rumbled!
Graham wrote:I presume dave is a postal worker, probably waiting for the Rising sun to openDave wrote: It\'s the incompetetn management at Watford Mail Centre who are to blame. NOT the postal workersDon\'t think so - who was on strike?
Lawrence, Cardiff road says...
4:04pm Wed 22 Aug 07
Melanie, Watford says...
4:22pm Wed 22 Aug 07
meridanny, watford says...
4:41pm Wed 22 Aug 07
Dave wrote:How do you work that one out?the managers didnt go on strike and it was a manager that delivered a parcel to me last SUNDAY.I suppose you could blame the managers for not giving in to every whim of the union,but i take my hat off to them for standing up to the union.If you want a fair days pay for what is unskilled work you have to put in a fair days graft..
It's the incompetetn management at Watford Mail Centre who are to blame. NOT the postal workers
William Wumpkins the third., Watford says...
4:48pm Wed 22 Aug 07
Alison wrote:Stop press!... Shifty posties spotted at The Artichoke in Croxley - paying for ales with intrigueingly flat £10 and £20 notes...
eric wrote:They will probably transfer to the Harvester or the Fox & Hounds now that they have been rumbled!Graham wrote:I presume dave is a postal worker, probably waiting for the Rising sun to openDave wrote: It\\\'s the incompetetn management at Watford Mail Centre who are to blame. NOT the postal workersDon\\\'t think so - who was on strike?
Roy Stockdill, Garston says...
5:13pm Wed 22 Aug 07
kel, Garston says...
5:45pm Wed 22 Aug 07
Roy Stockdill wrote:Good on you.Hopefully something will get sorted.Kel
Folks may like to know that I had a call today from BBC Three Counties Radio in Luton, who are going to do something on the postal chaos at Watford on their early morning breakfast show tomorrow. They\\\'ve invited me to do a phone interview, probably between about 7.30 and 8.0 a.m., so I hope to get the anger of customers across to the radio audience forcibly! Wonder if they\\\'ll have a Royal Mail apologist on as well?
kim oussaada, Watford says...
5:47pm Wed 22 Aug 07
We haven't had most of our post since the beginning of July - its all the lost in the 200 cages of backlog which are being sent to Berkhampstead :o(
Well my daughter loses out if she doesnt get this parcel Im so peed off with the lot of them
Harry, Watford says...
5:50pm Wed 22 Aug 07
Our mail to our house now arrives at various times of the afternoon in a white van with about three postman in it!!
Is this a new initiative by the post office to clear the backlog?? Or is this an undercover operation by our postmen/women???
Can someone tell me will it ever get back to some kind of nomality??
I guess not !!!!
John, Watford says...
7:12pm Wed 22 Aug 07
I was interested to observe this morning the Post Office's apparent strategy to clear the backlog.
A PO van pulled up at the end of the road and 2 young (ca.14 y.o.) girls got out with a small parcel of letters each in their hands.
Is Watford PO now empoying underage strike-breakers?
D Wadsworth, Watford says...
8:10pm Wed 22 Aug 07
paul, Watford says...
8:15pm Wed 22 Aug 07
mrs s.papworth, croxley says...
9:36pm Wed 22 Aug 07
e me this is going ahead and i suggest others do the same as well and go to see a solicitor.......disg
raceful just as everything else in this country....what on earth has happened to us all?
Lou, Watford says...
9:48pm Wed 22 Aug 07
It's up to Royal mail to show that they can resolve this problem and not remain at this level of incompetence any longer.
The customer is king!
Tim Moltham, Aldenham says...
9:57pm Wed 22 Aug 07
Nick, says...
10:01pm Wed 22 Aug 07
Mark, Dunstable says...
11:20pm Wed 22 Aug 07
Lou wrote:The chairman of Royal Mail does not view any of the people posting comments here as customers. Under his business model, the customers are the big companies that pay Royal Mail to carry their bulk mailings to you, the recipients of that mail. Postal workers find this concept totally alien, as we view our customers as being the people we deliver to. The strikes were about much more than pay. They are about trying to defend a postal service that will, under Allan Leighton's plans, mean posties starting later, meaning afternoon deliveries will become commonplace. NOT because posties are lazy, but because they are being forced to accept wholesale changes to their jobs. You will get a worse service because of the changes, but hey, you don't count for squat because, as I said, Leighton doesn't see you as the customer. Write to your MPs, lobby for his removal from the chairmanship !!!
We don't want to see our postal services disintergrate to the level that they have in some parts of London. It's up to Royal mail to show that they can resolve this problem and not remain at this level of incompetence any longer. The customer is king!
Joe, North Watford says...
12:01am Thu 23 Aug 07
- I recieved a birthday card & present 3 weeks after posting.
- I recieved a driving fine over 14 days from the time of the offence, meaning i had to pay the full £120 rather than the £60 fine i would have paid within 14 days.
- I have had to reschedule an important hospital appointment i was waiting 6 weeks for, as the hospital presumed from my lack of response that i did not want the appointment.
- I have lost a lot of customers i had through an e-bay venture i was trying, which has cost me a large sum of money.
I know its not nice to complain but i have to vent it somewhere! I hope this all gets sorted quickly and we can all be happy again.
Joe
cecilia, Watford says...
6:33am Thu 23 Aug 07
Alison wrote:Hey, postwomen work too and NO we don't go down daly's every night, we get pushed around the sorting office by incompetant managers while untrained staff are bussed in to do our work which we aren't allowed to do. And before anyone else comments, NO; there is NO overtime on Any shifts, just plenty of untrained casuals costing around £20 and hour each. If people think working for Royal Mail is so easy perhaps they should sign up for these agencies and come along to see for themselves that working life has never been peachy at Royal Mail Watford. Put your money where your mouth if you think delivering post is so easy!
I was left a note saying my letterbox was too small to deliver a package, the note didn\\\'t say what had happened to the package, I called the post office, got no response after 10 minutes I went down to Ascot Road, queued for 30 minutes, the package couldn\\\'t be found and the excuse was that \\\"an agency postman must have delivered it because the form was not filled out correctly\\\" when asked where the postman thought it might be he responded \\\"your guess is as good as mine, they (the agency postmen) don\\\'t know what they are doing, it could be here, it could be anywhere, come back tomorrow\\\". What sort of business are they running down there? Why are the agency postmen not trained, have they been security checked, all this missing post has to be dealt with urgently, tell the postmen that ARE employed not to skive off on the night shift for 3 or 4 hours to either drink in Dalys or the Rising Sun or join a card school and get on with some real work, they have had it too easy for too long. We should all watch out on Ebay for our missing items!
cecilia, Watford says...
6:48am Thu 23 Aug 07
Ian wrote:You are spot on! Corners are cut all the time and the people that suffer most are the customers. I used to be proud to be a postwoman, and I would take the time to find the correct address for a badly addressed letter but we aren't even allowed to do that anymore. Casual workers cover delieries because there are no postmen to do this because of redundancies, senior management expects delivery staff to cover these for no extra money, nothing at all. Deliveries are backbreaking work, we are out in all weathers, often carrying far more than the maximum 16KG pouch weight. We are not allowed pouch boxes either because the council will not allow not planning permission, so we have to rely on our drivers who are ladden with letters that are being sent to the many new houses and flats that go up what seems like every month. We can only do so much, and with a shortsighted management team offering no help or support, the future of Royal Mail is out of our hands.
I'm afraid this problem stems from something much bigger - the privatisation of the postal industry. Royal Mail is still a public body yet it is trying to compete in a private market. This means corners are cut, jobs lost and profits maximised. The only way now to make the board of Royal mail suffer is for people to switch the the private couriers, but the that will never happen. Bring back the nationalisation of the mail industry, and I bet we'll see less of these problems!
Drew, Watford says...
9:46am Thu 23 Aug 07
someone should take the fall for this, if there was a choice of another postal service i would use that service instead.
an unhappy Drew
adenuff, waytford says...
10:06am Thu 23 Aug 07
cecilia wrote:Try working the full shift instead of going home early every day.If you keep going down this path you will lose all sympathy from the public and will be humiliated,just like the firemen when they got greedy.At the end of the day,your doing unskilled work,so why do you expect profesional wages?Everyone and his dog knows that the posties have it nice and cushy but now you have to compete with other companies and actually graft a bit,you spit your dummies out.Too many years of sitting on your laurels have come back and bit you on the bum and your going to have to adjust or get out the game,cos when TNT comes to town you will all be down the road if your not careful............
Ian wrote:You are spot on! Corners are cut all the time and the people that suffer most are the customers. I used to be proud to be a postwoman, and I would take the time to find the correct address for a badly addressed letter but we aren't even allowed to do that anymore. Casual workers cover delieries because there are no postmen to do this because of redundancies, senior management expects delivery staff to cover these for no extra money, nothing at all. Deliveries are backbreaking work, we are out in all weathers, often carrying far more than the maximum 16KG pouch weight. We are not allowed pouch boxes either because the council will not allow not planning permission, so we have to rely on our drivers who are ladden with letters that are being sent to the many new houses and flats that go up what seems like every month. We can only do so much, and with a shortsighted management team offering no help or support, the future of Royal Mail is out of our hands.
I'm afraid this problem stems from something much bigger - the privatisation of the postal industry. Royal Mail is still a public body yet it is trying to compete in a private market. This means corners are cut, jobs lost and profits maximised. The only way now to make the board of Royal mail suffer is for people to switch the the private couriers, but the that will never happen. Bring back the nationalisation of the mail industry, and I bet we'll see less of these problems!
leggattsresident, N.Watford says...
11:25am Thu 23 Aug 07
The RM Regional Director needs to be on the front page of the WO telling us how he is going to fix this appalling situation, his mismanagement has bought about. Let's have some management accountability.
Kel, watford says...
12:14pm Thu 23 Aug 07
kel, watford says...
12:25pm Thu 23 Aug 07
leggattsresident wrote:Exactly! good point probably none.Which prob means none of us will recieve any of our parcels.
Yesterday there were four, yes four, temporary post deliverers on my road. None spoke English, they were looking at the road signs and their post, totally confused. The Royal Mail management is trusting our mail, containing as reported here, bank cards, important documents to temporary untrained staff. What security checks have been carried out on these temporary staff ? The RM Regional Director needs to be on the front page of the WO telling us how he is going to fix this appalling situation, his mismanagement has bought about. Let\'s have some management accountability.
pam hames, Carpenders Park says...
12:28pm Thu 23 Aug 07
Maybe it is time the post office sorted out the Delivery Managers and made them deliver the backlog post.
steve, Watford says...
12:35pm Thu 23 Aug 07
Tony McCarthy is both Royal Mails group HR director and chairman of the centre for perfomance-led HR ! Where is the performane here - as far as i can see Mr McCarthy is so involved with raising his own profile in the academic world (ranked 43 in HR magazines most influential of 2007) he's forgotton to get back to the day job.
steve, Watford says...
12:44pm Thu 23 Aug 07
PostComm.
And a watchdog
www.postwatch.co.uk
Lets make sure they hear about our problems !!!!!
PE, tudor says...
1:26pm Thu 23 Aug 07
kelee, garston says...
2:17pm Thu 23 Aug 07
becky, says...
2:41pm Thu 23 Aug 07
when i went out to give it to the agency postie he said well what street is is this!!! so i tried ringin watford sorting office n they answered n put phone straight back down and never answered again..ive just phoned royalmail headoffice and put a complaint in and was told told that there working to rule and wont do any overtime and that they havent even been able to get any response from then ..this is disgusting ...im intending to go up there tomorrow (and i'll have to take my kids with me) and im not moving until i get my parcels which got sent over a week ago i know are there...they may be miltant but so can i!!!!!!!!! o and at local shop earlier 2 posties were havin fags and chat
JohnBoy, Watford says...
4:24pm Thu 23 Aug 07
Tim Hurley, Watford says...
4:38pm Thu 23 Aug 07
Is this true !!
The Plinth of Darkneth, watford says...
5:16pm Thu 23 Aug 07
Roy Stockdill wrote:How did the radio interview go then Roy?
Folks may like to know that I had a call today from BBC Three Counties Radio in Luton, who are going to do something on the postal chaos at Watford on their early morning breakfast show tomorrow. They've invited me to do a phone interview, probably between about 7.30 and 8.0 a.m., so I hope to get the anger of customers across to the radio audience forcibly! Wonder if they'll have a Royal Mail apologist on as well?
A success perhaps?
Sally Shiers, Watford says...
6:26pm Thu 23 Aug 07
In fact Watford was awash with young agency 'Royal Mail' staff yesterday around Watford Junction. I counted 25 people in the fluorescent tabards and bags all sitting around chatting.
The one thing I will say - in all this chaos Royal Mail have of course managed to deliver the vast quantities of junk that they get paid to deliver!
Please Senior Management take note - or why should the residents of Watford put up with this?
Gillian Christopher-Chambers, Watford says...
6:51pm Thu 23 Aug 07
andy, watford says...
7:24pm Thu 23 Aug 07
steve wrote:they know of the problems but can do nothing as the militant b******ds have control of the situation
There is a regulator... PostComm. And a watchdog www.postwatch.co.uk Lets make sure they hear about our problems !!!!!
charlotte, oxhey says...
7:41pm Thu 23 Aug 07
Roy Stockdill, Garston says...
7:53pm Thu 23 Aug 07
>>Mr Stockdill, how did the interview with 3CR go? Did you get the WO readerships views across?<<
Indeed I did! Sorry you didn't hear it but it went out just before 7.30 a.m. I repeated my view that Royal Mail have gone from once being the most revered institution in the land to the most reviled and also my observation that Royal Mail managers couldn't run a toffee stall in Watford Market. The presenters seemed to like it anyway.
The lady who is still awaiting her vital medical supplies was also interviewed and the presenters and programme researchers apparently tried their hardest to get a response from Royal Mail, but to no avail. Surprise, surprise!
It occurs to me that the only way to stir them into action would be if we could collectively get some home phone numbers for the bigwigs at RM and all start phoning them whilst they're watching Coronation Street or whatever.
alan luto, oxhey says...
7:55pm Thu 23 Aug 07
Mark, Dunstable says...
8:53pm Thu 23 Aug 07
Sally Shiers wrote:Sally, a moot point, I know, but Royal Mail get paid for EVERY item they deliver, not just the 'junk' mail. RM get paid for 'social' mail via the postage stamp. But, as I stated earlier, what you are witnessing is the result of senior management policy, to keep the high spending "customers" happy. The government has introduced competition into the business mail market, but one side-effect is that if the direct-mail companies don't get their products delivered on time, we could lose their business to rivals like DHL or TNT. Which explains why RM are prioritising delivery of 'junk' items, ahead of what us posties consider to be our customers mail. But don't blame the delivery workers for this chaos. We are not responsible for managers recruiting expensive agency staff !!!! I reckon if someone flew me to Warsaw, gave me a bag of local mail, no street map, and paid me less than the full-time staff doing the same, the chances of me being able to complete the deliveries 100% accurately or even at all would be fairly slim.
Until early July we had had the same Postman (Hi Gary!) for over 2 years. I can\'t really fault the service. His round was then changed and we no longer have a regular postman. We are lucky if we get 3 deliveries a week! These are done all times of the day by agency staff (who drop cigarette butts in my drive). In fact Watford was awash with young agency \'Royal Mail\' staff yesterday around Watford Junction. I counted 25 people in the fluorescent tabards and bags all sitting around chatting. The one thing I will say - in all this chaos Royal Mail have of course managed to deliver the vast quantities of junk that they get paid to deliver! Please Senior Management take note - or why should the residents of Watford put up with this?
anon, says...
9:57pm Thu 23 Aug 07
Roy Stockdill, Garston says...
11:31pm Thu 23 Aug 07
anon wrote:Leaving aside the near-illiterate language and grammatical errors of your message (including the fact that it was posted entirely in capital letters, which is the equivalent of a semi-literate moron writing on a postcard in green ink), I see very little relationship between a tragic event in Liverpool and Royal Mail customers in Watford not receiving their post.
MATE PPL WHO ARENT WAITING FOR MEDICINE AND ARE MOANING ABOUT POST NEED TO GET A LIFE. I MEAN COME DO YOU HAVE NOTHING BETTER TO DO WITH YOUR DAYS THAN SIT A COMPUTER AND WINDOWS IN THE MORNING TIMING THE POSTMAN/WOMAN AND THEN MOAN IF HE IS LATE LOOK @LITTLE RHYS FROM LIVERPOOL HE GOT SHOT DOWN AND YOUS ARE MOANING ABOUT POST FIX UP PEOPLE
Robster, Watford says...
12:01am Fri 24 Aug 07
anon wrote:It is tragic about what happened to the poor lad in Liverpool. I'm sure that everyone posting comments regarding this article sympathise with his family and friends.
MATE PPL WHO ARENT WAITING FOR MEDICINE AND ARE MOANING ABOUT POST NEED TO GET A LIFE. I MEAN COME DO YOU HAVE NOTHING BETTER TO DO WITH YOUR DAYS THAN SIT A COMPUTER AND WINDOWS IN THE MORNING TIMING THE POSTMAN/WOMAN AND THEN MOAN IF HE IS LATE LOOK @LITTLE RHYS FROM LIVERPOOL HE GOT SHOT DOWN AND YOUS ARE MOANING ABOUT POST FIX UP PEOPLE
Sadly there are plenty of larger issues such as Iraq, Afghanistan, global warming, AIDS etc which, overall, are more important than the topic of this article but there are also many other forums and mediums to debate such important and sensitive matters. For better or worse life goes on for the rest of us.
As it is this is purely a discussion about an issue with the post that affects many people in their particular local area.
I think it is a shame what is happening at the Royal Mail. Email, private competition, poor management decisions, union intransigence and so on are all combining to create a long drawn out demise for an organisation that used to command the trust and respect of the British public.
Roy Stockdill, Garston says...
12:17am Fri 24 Aug 07
An excellent point. If you go back into Victorian times, and even earlier and also later in the 20th century, the Royal Mail was probably the most respected institution in the land. "Her Majesty's Mail" or "His Majesty's Mail" was respected everywhere and was one of those institutions that commanded respect and offered the voice of authority, plus a trust and guarantee that your mail would be delivered on time. It is now probably the most reviled institution in Britain! Today they are just a joke. Pathetic, useless toe-rags (on both sides, management and workers) and the sooner they accept that their day is over, and other services and operatives can take over their roles, the better.
A Stroud, Watford says...
5:11am Fri 24 Aug 07
barbelybob wrote:It's a shame that you don't try and learn a little about a situation before you write rubbish like this. I expect to see clap trap like this in daily tabloids not the Watford Observer
All this aggro because the postal workers are resisting modern working practices......it would be poetic if the royal mail went tits up and then they could whistle for their pensions.I sincerley hope royal mail lose contracts because of the industrial action and start to lay off the slackers and shirkers that are all the rage down at the post,cos its not the management who suffer just joe public...
Stephen, Watford says...
7:35am Fri 24 Aug 07
In that way the public will detest you and not support you. Never mind more jobs for our european friends who are happy to do a full days work for their pay!
k, watford says...
7:40am Fri 24 Aug 07
If you were in acute pain, would YOU want to wait weeks/months for your medicines/pain relief to come through? If you have a medical condition where you have to wait 6-18 months to be seen by a specialist or get an operation and you don't receive the card from the hospital granting you the appt - wouldn't YOU be a bit peeved?
If you were self employed (as I am) would YOU be able to sit by patiently while cheques & vital business supplies were held up for weeks/months on end? It makes all the difference in the world for some - it's survival or bankruptcy.
This doesn't even take into account any legal documents or vital documents from banks etc...
So, yes - we are angry & peeved and are doing everything we can to get action.
barbelybob, watford says...
8:06am Fri 24 Aug 07
Mark wrote:Of course your responsible for this.If you didnt go on strike there wouldnt be a backlog and the amount of agency staff would be far less.I understand from a pal that your all working to rule because they are making you all clock off at 2 oclock.Whats the problem with that?your paid until then.Ive got a postie who lives in my street,hes home before twelve and everyday at 1.30 a post van full of posties picks him up to go and clock out.This is why the post is so late,because you cant go home early.It about time the post office sacked all of the militant element down ascot road and replaced them with the polish agency workers,that would sort out the problem.If you dont like the working conditions get a different job.....simple
Sally Shiers wrote:Sally, a moot point, I know, but Royal Mail get paid for EVERY item they deliver, not just the 'junk' mail. RM get paid for 'social' mail via the postage stamp. But, as I stated earlier, what you are witnessing is the result of senior management policy, to keep the high spending "customers" happy. The government has introduced competition into the business mail market, but one side-effect is that if the direct-mail companies don't get their products delivered on time, we could lose their business to rivals like DHL or TNT. Which explains why RM are prioritising delivery of 'junk' items, ahead of what us posties consider to be our customers mail. But don't blame the delivery workers for this chaos. We are not responsible for managers recruiting expensive agency staff !!!! I reckon if someone flew me to Warsaw, gave me a bag of local mail, no street map, and paid me less than the full-time staff doing the same, the chances of me being able to complete the deliveries 100% accurately or even at all would be fairly slim.
Until early July we had had the same Postman (Hi Gary!) for over 2 years. I can\'t really fault the service. His round was then changed and we no longer have a regular postman. We are lucky if we get 3 deliveries a week! These are done all times of the day by agency staff (who drop cigarette butts in my drive). In fact Watford was awash with young agency \'Royal Mail\' staff yesterday around Watford Junction. I counted 25 people in the fluorescent tabards and bags all sitting around chatting. The one thing I will say - in all this chaos Royal Mail have of course managed to deliver the vast quantities of junk that they get paid to deliver! Please Senior Management take note - or why should the residents of Watford put up with this?
john, watford says...
8:31am Fri 24 Aug 07
karen wiltshire, watford says...
8:48am Fri 24 Aug 07
Pam Handley, Watford says...
8:59am Fri 24 Aug 07
The Plinth of Darkneth, Watford says...
9:02am Fri 24 Aug 07
Roy Stockdill wrote:Easy Roy - you appear to be encouraging anti-social behaviour.
JohnBoy wrote... >>Mr Stockdill, how did the interview with 3CR go? Did you get the WO readerships views across?<< Indeed I did! Sorry you didn't hear it but it went out just before 7.30 a.m. I repeated my view that Royal Mail have gone from once being the most revered institution in the land to the most reviled and also my observation that Royal Mail managers couldn't run a toffee stall in Watford Market. The presenters seemed to like it anyway. The lady who is still awaiting her vital medical supplies was also interviewed and the presenters and programme researchers apparently tried their hardest to get a response from Royal Mail, but to no avail. Surprise, surprise! It occurs to me that the only way to stir them into action would be if we could collectively get some home phone numbers for the bigwigs at RM and all start phoning them whilst they're watching Coronation Street or whatever.
But nevertheless I applaud your achievement on the Radio. Well done.
The Plinth offers his respect.
M. Lynch, Devon says...
11:22am Fri 24 Aug 07
Since late march I have had over 50 packages go missing - ALL of which I have had to replace out my own pocket and all of which I have had to spend time filing claim forms, copying receipts, finding proof of value etc. As well as this I am losing customers.
It is a disgusting state of affairs.
Olive Canavan, Garston, Watford says...
11:24am Fri 24 Aug 07
Emma Parry, Watford says...
12:22pm Fri 24 Aug 07
Helen Harverson, Watford says...
12:42pm Fri 24 Aug 07
quote2 parcels, plus at least 3 other items of post. It's very worrying as I don't know what else I should have had. Surely the backlog should get priority - does anyone have any common sense at the sorting office??
John, Hemel Hempstead says...
1:48pm Fri 24 Aug 07
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barbelybob wrote:-
Of course your responsible for this.If you didnt go on strike there wouldnt be a backlog and the amount of agency staff would be far less.I understand from a pal that your all working to rule because they are making you all clock off at 2 oclock.Whats the problem with that?your paid until then.Ive got a postie who lives in my street,hes home before twelve and everyday at 1.30 a post van full of posties picks him up to go and clock out.This is why the post is so late,because you cant go home early.It about time the post office sacked all of the militant element down ascot road and replaced them with the polish agency workers,that would sort out the problem.If you dont like the working conditions get a different job.....simple
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barbelybob no other Royal Mail delivery office in Herts or elsewhere has the kind of backlog that has been talked about here. Remember the last strike date was held well over 2 weeks ago. Every other office cleared their backlog ages ago and without getting in this mess.
Your point about "work to rule" is also incorrect. All the postmen have done is withdraw their goodwill.
This means that they will no longer be using THEIR own cars to perform their rounds (RM don't recompense their staff for using their cars) or coming in early before their start time (which they dont get paid for either) I don't call that "work to rule".
Sack the managers! They are there to MANAGE something which they have failed to do here.
Paul, Watford says...
2:42pm Fri 24 Aug 07
I think the time is ripe for people to start writing to their MP's to insist that other carriers such as TNT, UPS, private couriers and the like are all allowed to take letters as well as parcels.
Complaining to the Royal Mail, it's managers and workers is basically a waste of time since they are far too used to blaming each other for this and any other mess, the only way to make things change is to ignore them and do things on our own.
That will mean that people will have to pay more to get things delivered without using RM and PF, but in the end it's the only way to beat some sense into the workers and management and get them to actually provide the service that the country needs and expects.
Terry, north watford says...
3:01pm Fri 24 Aug 07
k, watford says...
3:12pm Fri 24 Aug 07
Does anyone at Royal Mail have a clue as to what is happening in Watford?
anon, says...
3:26pm Fri 24 Aug 07
Emma Parry wrote:these are the ppl who have a right to moan no else really its not like there not trying to sort it out but if u keep going on about it they may think **** them they can wait even longer now for there mail i would make u wait they only priority would be to try and get all the medicine for old ppl and kids the rest could go to hell and do u think moaning @ ur postie will help no he will be thinking am not going there again hahahaha good look in your quest for ur dear post SAD PPL
I am waiting for 2 parcels that are medical equipment for my 2 year old. They attempted to deliver before the strike action on the 27th July 2007, i have attempted to collected this item everyday using the card they left only to be told they have no idea where the item is. The first day i went they said it could be in anyone of 5 cages it has subsequently gone up to 500 cages. It is looking like i am going to have to fly to Northern Ireland to collect the crucial equipment for for my daughter
ANON, says...
3:30pm Fri 24 Aug 07
End Date: 25th May 07
There was a one day national strike of postal workers in Belgium on Friday 25th May. No collection, sorting or delivery of mail for one day only.
Denmark
Start Date: 26th Apr 07
End Date: 5th May 07
A delivery strike amongst mail staff has been going on in the City of Copenhagen since 26th April 2007. The industrial action is expected to last until Saturday, 5th May.City Districts impacted by the lack of delivery are zip codes 1000 to 1499.
UK
Start Date: 10th Aug 06
End Date: Ongoing
Due to airline security issues, severe delays were experienced from 10th August onwards. Reduced capacity available on some flights may continue to affect some routes.
DONT JUST BLAME ENGLAND LETS MAKE IT ITERNATIONAL YER LETS GO TO WAR
Bob, watford says...
3:42pm Fri 24 Aug 07
andy, oxhey says...
5:14pm Fri 24 Aug 07
annoyed, Bushey says...
5:21pm Fri 24 Aug 07
Sally Shiers, Watford says...
5:25pm Fri 24 Aug 07
Just to let you know the BBC has picked up on the story.
They are coming to do an interview on Tuesday, so I hope people don't mind if I mention some of the issues brought up in these comments.
Obiviously there are major problems at the depot, I think throwing insults won't solve it but the chiefs at Royal Mail need to understand how serious the problem has got.
Thanks for your help.
andy, says...
5:43pm Fri 24 Aug 07
Guy Hodge, Watford, Herts says...
6:29pm Fri 24 Aug 07
Royal FAIL more like.
Stephen, Watford says...
7:21pm Fri 24 Aug 07
BOB, says...
8:10pm Fri 24 Aug 07
i totally understand the publics frustration but please belive me its not the postman you see out and abouts fault they can only do as they are told and deliver what their given. the parcels are back logged and stored in a warehouse in berkhampsted unsorted. the managers won't pay the postmen over time to get them out. but look out over the next few days, mangers from all over london and the southeast will be delivering them to try and clear the back log. funny how they can get over time eh !
this dispute is caused by bad management being petty over not letting the postmen do their job as they've allways done it. prefering instead to employ casual staff who don't know the area and end up returning most of their mail back to the office and back to square one.
so please please KEEP COMPLAINING but not to watfords managers they don't care and some have turned their phones off. go higher complain to your MP or write to the head of royal mail at Old street london.
this is totally ridiculous all the postman wants to do is get on with the job.. BUT IS NOT BEING ALLOWED TO !!!
Bob, says...
8:31pm Fri 24 Aug 07
Well done for getting this issue on the BBC. but please make sure that they get the facts not the royal mail spin.
As for the comment in last weeks WO that no non english speaking casuals are employed at ascot road. if you go down to the office you may catch a few outside for a smoke try interviewing them and you'll see just how much english thet speak.... and these are the people they want sorting and delivering your mail !!!
barbelybob, watford says...
8:52pm Fri 24 Aug 07
John wrote:They only use their cars so they dont have to wait for a pick up,back to the depot,therefore finishing earlier.Same thing goes for starting early,so dont try and dress it up as if they are doing it for any other reason.The longer this dispute goes on,the less support you will get.As for the sacking of the managers,i dont know the answer to that but i do know that managers dont deliver the mail and thats the long and the short of it..
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barbelybob wrote:-
Of course your responsible for this.If you didnt go on strike there wouldnt be a backlog and the amount of agency staff would be far less.I understand from a pal that your all working to rule because they are making you all clock off at 2 oclock.Whats the problem with that?your paid until then.Ive got a postie who lives in my street,hes home before twelve and everyday at 1.30 a post van full of posties picks him up to go and clock out.This is why the post is so late,because you cant go home early.It about time the post office sacked all of the militant element down ascot road and replaced them with the polish agency workers,that would sort out the problem.If you dont like the working conditions get a different job.....simple
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barbelybob no other Royal Mail delivery office in Herts or elsewhere has the kind of backlog that has been talked about here. Remember the last strike date was held well over 2 weeks ago. Every other office cleared their backlog ages ago and without getting in this mess.
Your point about "work to rule" is also incorrect. All the postmen have done is withdraw their goodwill.
This means that they will no longer be using THEIR own cars to perform their rounds (RM don't recompense their staff for using their cars) or coming in early before their start time (which they dont get paid for either) I don't call that "work to rule".
Sack the managers! They are there to MANAGE something which they have failed to do here.
Bob, says...
10:14pm Fri 24 Aug 07
as i said before they are also being denied over time to clear the back log, but no the managers have decided to award them selves over time and you will see plenty of them delivering parcels over the next few days, most are from out of the area and my guess is they will make no impression on the back log what so ever.
so please stop posting rubish its very ignorant to have such an opinion on something you clearly no nothing about. every one is frustrated least of all the postmen themselfs. the postmen don't want to go on strike you know. they to have kids and mortgages to pay for.. you don't get paid when your on strike you know..
so get your facts right or crawl back into your sad little hole...
Darius Henderson, Watford says...
12:01am Sat 25 Aug 07
Jim, south Oxhey says...
4:24am Sat 25 Aug 07
BOB, says...
3:08pm Sat 25 Aug 07
Jim wrote:Jim there are thousands of people in your position including myself and i'm a postman, unable to do anything about it.. just as frustrated as everyone else.. probably even more so as we know we can clear it yet are not being allowed to... the management are going to be trying to clear it over the next few days as they won't pay the postmen t do it.. however these managers are from outside the area and do not know watford so don't hold your breath.. 500,000+ packets and parcels undelivered !!
What concerns me is these hundreds of packages that have just been left locked away and ignored, when are they going to be dealt with? I have 2 parcels outstanding, one was posted on 26th of June with 1st class post. Is there anybody else with things missing for this long or longer maybe? please post on here so I know I am not alone. thanks
PLUS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF THE ROYAL MAIL LEADERSHIP DID YOU HEAR THE INTERVIEW ON THE RADIO WHERE A ROYAL MAIL MANAGER SAID HE HED HE NO CONTACT WITH THE UNION. WHEN THE HOST REVEALED A LETTER TO THE UNION SIGNED BY HIMSELF.... HE HUNG UP THE PHONE LIVE ON AIR ! I REST MY CASE !!!
Tony, Watford says...
3:23pm Sat 25 Aug 07
barbelybob, watford says...
6:52pm Sat 25 Aug 07
Bob wrote:I am telling you for a fact that the posties finish their round and go home,then they have to go back at the end of their shift.Ok so they dont clock on,it was a figure of speech,simple mistake.I have 4 good friends who work for the post,although they are drivers and this is from them,who i might ad dont exactly support your dispute but go along with it for an easy life.They are not happy because they find it harder to do the overtime to cover the loss of wages because of taco laws.Now the overtime has stopped completely.The reason they are being denied the overtime einstien is because in the past they strike and then make up the lost wages by doing overtime to clear the backlog they caused.So dont get all up your own arse mate and call me sad because if being upset with the post makes me sad,there are a whole army of them in Watford and they will include your friends and family.The simple solution is if your not happy with the job,get another,or is the reason you dont do that,the fact you get payed far too much for unskilled work.The gravey train has stopped bob me old son
Barbelybob you don't have a clue what your talking about, and also very ignorant or just making things up.. ie the clocking on/off there is no clocking on system within royal mail. yes they do use their cars for their own conveneance why shouldn't they ? they also work through their breaks to get the mail out earlier and yes, so they to can finish early again why shouldn't they ??? royal mail have taken advantage of this and cut the number of vans and drivers. so when the postmen don't use their cars or as the case now are not allowed to use their cars there are not enough vans or drivers to get them out.. and also now they take their breaks theres not enough time to sort the amount of mail even under normal conditions hence the back log you see now.
as i said before they are also being denied over time to clear the back log, but no the managers have decided to award them selves over time and you will see plenty of them delivering parcels over the next few days, most are from out of the area and my guess is they will make no impression on the back log what so ever.
so please stop posting rubish its very ignorant to have such an opinion on something you clearly no nothing about. every one is frustrated least of all the postmen themselfs. the postmen don't want to go on strike you know. they to have kids and mortgages to pay for.. you don't get paid when your on strike you know..
so get your facts right or crawl back into your sad little hole...
bob, says...
7:49pm Sat 25 Aug 07
barbelybob wrote:lol Barbelybob you really are a **** "me old son"
Bob wrote: Barbelybob you don't have a clue what your talking about, and also very ignorant or just making things up.. ie the clocking on/off there is no clocking on system within royal mail. yes they do use their cars for their own conveneance why shouldn't they ? they also work through their breaks to get the mail out earlier and yes, so they to can finish early again why shouldn't they ??? royal mail have taken advantage of this and cut the number of vans and drivers. so when the postmen don't use their cars or as the case now are not allowed to use their cars there are not enough vans or drivers to get them out.. and also now they take their breaks theres not enough time to sort the amount of mail even under normal conditions hence the back log you see now. as i said before they are also being denied over time to clear the back log, but no the managers have decided to award them selves over time and you will see plenty of them delivering parcels over the next few days, most are from out of the area and my guess is they will make no impression on the back log what so ever. so please stop posting rubish its very ignorant to have such an opinion on something you clearly no nothing about. every one is frustrated least of all the postmen themselfs. the postmen don't want to go on strike you know. they to have kids and mortgages to pay for.. you don't get paid when your on strike you know.. so get your facts right or crawl back into your sad little hole...I am telling you for a fact that the posties finish their round and go home,then they have to go back at the end of their shift.Ok so they dont clock on,it was a figure of speech,simple mistake.I have 4 good friends who work for the post,although they are drivers and this is from them,who i might ad dont exactly support your dispute but go along with it for an easy life.They are not happy because they find it harder to do the overtime to cover the loss of wages because of taco laws.Now the overtime has stopped completely.The reason they are being denied the overtime einstien is because in the past they strike and then make up the lost wages by doing overtime to clear the backlog they caused.So dont get all up your own arse mate and call me sad because if being upset with the post makes me sad,there are a whole army of them in Watford and they will include your friends and family.The simple solution is if your not happy with the job,get another,or is the reason you dont do that,the fact you get payed far too much for unskilled work.The gravey train has stopped bob me old son
you don't know what your on about mate nor clearly do your mates if they exist which i doubt after your "they get picked up to go back to the office and clock off" comment, funny sort of figure of speach that ? i never said i wasn't happy with the job. what i'm not happy with is the way its being run and the fact i'm in the same boat as every one else as far as the frustration at not getting my mail..
most people who take the time to understand the facts and know whats really going on, instead of blaming the postmen or making up bullsh1t like you you fool support the postmen.. this backlog was not caused by the one day strikes einstine, it was caused by the managers changing working practise after the strike ok numb nut !! is that any clearer for you... no other office in the country has this problem yet they all had a one day strike, watord is the only one where management stopped the postmen using their cars YOU DO THE MATH ! and as for your make belive friends if they are restricted by the tacho laws (taco as you said is a mexicam dish by the way, ok einstien) that means they are lorry drivers and are unaffected by this are only allowed to do a set number of OT hours per week and would not be affected by this action..
as for the gravey train comment your years behind on that one. a long time ago, about ten years to be exact itwas like that but thats long since changed ME OLD SON.. i suggest you go talk to some real people not ya make belive mates...
do you really think the postmen are enjoying this....
if this answer is yoe you really are without doubt a totl **** !!
barbelybob, watford says...
10:19pm Sat 25 Aug 07
bob wrote:Very strange that there was no problem until the strikes started yet you say its not the strikes fault.Your a f****** comedian and if you keep saying it you will keep believing it.So taco is a "mexicam" dish lol people who throw stones doughnut and as for "make belive mates"(try spelling it right s*** for brains)They are as real as this poxy strike and im sure they are not alone in the way they feel.Am i really a "totl **** or a total one.As for them being p***** off its because they cant make the money up with overtime...****
barbelybob wrote:lol Barbelybob you really are a **** "me old son"
Bob wrote: Barbelybob you don't have a clue what your talking about, and also very ignorant or just making things up.. ie the clocking on/off there is no clocking on system within royal mail. yes they do use their cars for their own conveneance why shouldn't they ? they also work through their breaks to get the mail out earlier and yes, so they to can finish early again why shouldn't they ??? royal mail have taken advantage of this and cut the number of vans and drivers. so when the postmen don't use their cars or as the case now are not allowed to use their cars there are not enough vans or drivers to get them out.. and also now they take their breaks theres not enough time to sort the amount of mail even under normal conditions hence the back log you see now. as i said before they are also being denied over time to clear the back log, but no the managers have decided to award them selves over time and you will see plenty of them delivering parcels over the next few days, most are from out of the area and my guess is they will make no impression on the back log what so ever. so please stop posting rubish its very ignorant to have such an opinion on something you clearly no nothing about. every one is frustrated least of all the postmen themselfs. the postmen don't want to go on strike you know. they to have kids and mortgages to pay for.. you don't get paid when your on strike you know.. so get your facts right or crawl back into your sad little hole...I am telling you for a fact that the posties finish their round and go home,then they have to go back at the end of their shift.Ok so they dont clock on,it was a figure of speech,simple mistake.I have 4 good friends who work for the post,although they are drivers and this is from them,who i might ad dont exactly support your dispute but go along with it for an easy life.They are not happy because they find it harder to do the overtime to cover the loss of wages because of taco laws.Now the overtime has stopped completely.The reason they are being denied the overtime einstien is because in the past they strike and then make up the lost wages by doing overtime to clear the backlog they caused.So dont get all up your own arse mate and call me sad because if being upset with the post makes me sad,there are a whole army of them in Watford and they will include your friends and family.The simple solution is if your not happy with the job,get another,or is the reason you dont do that,the fact you get payed far too much for unskilled work.The gravey train has stopped bob me old son
you don't know what your on about mate nor clearly do your mates if they exist which i doubt after your "they get picked up to go back to the office and clock off" comment, funny sort of figure of speach that ? i never said i wasn't happy with the job. what i'm not happy with is the way its being run and the fact i'm in the same boat as every one else as far as the frustration at not getting my mail..
most people who take the time to understand the facts and know whats really going on, instead of blaming the postmen or making up bullsh1t like you you fool support the postmen.. this backlog was not caused by the one day strikes einstine, it was caused by the managers changing working practise after the strike ok numb nut !! is that any clearer for you... no other office in the country has this problem yet they all had a one day strike, watord is the only one where management stopped the postmen using their cars YOU DO THE MATH ! and as for your make belive friends if they are restricted by the tacho laws (taco as you said is a mexicam dish by the way, ok einstien) that means they are lorry drivers and are unaffected by this are only allowed to do a set number of OT hours per week and would not be affected by this action..
as for the gravey train comment your years behind on that one. a long time ago, about ten years to be exact itwas like that but thats long since changed ME OLD SON.. i suggest you go talk to some real people not ya make belive mates...
do you really think the postmen are enjoying this....
if this answer is yoe you really are without doubt a totl **** !!
ellen, watford says...
1:04pm Sun 26 Aug 07
barbelybob, watford says...
8:41pm Sun 26 Aug 07
bob wrote:Now that takes the prize,compairing yourselves to soldiers at war.Something tells me theres plenty of union mantra going on here.You sound very political,which dosent surprise me with all.I bet you walk round work calling everyone brother or comrade.As for your spelling its shocking(not typing mistakes)yet youve got the balls to moan on about poles not being able to speak english,YOU LIVE HERE, whats your excuse.Like i said before,you could train a monkey to put letters in a box(thats right mate,your as skilled as that)yet you seem to think you are indispensible.What are you talking about when you say "postmen excercising their democratic right"does that mean postmen not wanting to post?I think the unions got a lot to answer for here,stirring up the hornets nest and you gullible lemmings have bought it lol.Im bored of you now bob but not before i wish you all the best,youre gonna need it lol...
yes well done retard it did start just after the strikes finished. it was the managments way of punishing the postmen for daring to exercise their democratic right. they offered to work normally about three weeks ago but were denied. and as for not being able to make their money from over time another error sorry matr their over time is goverened by european law and as TAHCO drivers have nothing to do with this dispute and can do as much as thay are allowed.. me thinks you should get ya facts straight me old son.. are you the same sort of retard that would blame a soldier for going to war being to stupid to blame the government that sent them ? guess so..
and excuse me for the odd typo error or spelling mistake. at least i know what i'm talking about though eh..
Andrew, Watford says...
3:27am Mon 27 Aug 07
What they should do is sack all the staff and then re-sign up the people who actually want to do the job and move into the 21st century with automatic sorting of letters and parcels. So what if 40,000 postal staff loose their jobs sorting the mail thats what happens in any industry that updates itself.
Sally, Watford says...
10:56am Mon 27 Aug 07
Luckily fopr me none of my overdue parcels are desperately needed, but i guess the plants I ordered are now a shrivelled brown crispy mess, or will be by the time they finally get here.
barbelybob, watford says...
3:49pm Mon 27 Aug 07
Andrew wrote:here,here......
I have also been waiting for post for ages did receive some on Saturday.
What they should do is sack all the staff and then re-sign up the people who actually want to do the job and move into the 21st century with automatic sorting of letters and parcels. So what if 40,000 postal staff loose their jobs sorting the mail thats what happens in any industry that updates itself.
andy, watford says...
6:22pm Mon 27 Aug 07
barbelybob and BOB i dont think your slanging match is going to sort anythng out..But prehaps BOB has a valid point that need to be made. yes we are all p****d off with the parcel problem i have lost work and money through this dispute but shouting at each other isnt going to sort it out.The bbc are on the case so will that change anything? good luck sally,lets hope we dont repeat ourselves lol
ok
john, watford says...
8:36am Tue 28 Aug 07
Cherry, Watford says...
12:39pm Tue 28 Aug 07
I was informed when I contacted Royal Mail head office (incidentally my call was handled poorly by a stroppy member of staff, whom, I had to inform that it was not my fault if she was receiving 100s of complaints) that all mail and packages received at the Watford Sorting Office after 4pm on the 9th August were being dealt with - obviously this is not the case!
I have been told by reliable sources at the sorting office that there is a van in their car park packed with parcels. All the postmen I have spoken to have said that we are being lied to by the Royal Mail - there are packages everywhere piles of them - they are being stashed and stored all over the place, including Berkhamsted. The posties told me there is
no way that the post will be cleared in a couple of weeks, let alone days.
There is no point calling the sorting office as I have been informed that the number, we have all called that rings continuously, only rings once in the office then transfers and continues to ring in an unmanned office. As I understand it the Managers hide away in their offices and then reprimand the staff when they pass on the managers' telephone numbers. However, the managers, with their trips to Whipsnade for meetings in expensive conference rooms, when they have perfectly good meeting rooms at the sorting office, would prefer to reprimand the posties for passing on phone numbers to try and assist the public than try and resolve the problems.
Surely the Managers should be accountable for the actions of their staff this is how it works everywhere else!
STOP LYING TO US - PAY THE OVERTIME AND GET THIS MESS SORTED OUT!
karen, watford says...
1:36pm Tue 28 Aug 07
I think we should all be alerting the media - newspapers/tv/radio news so they can help to get to the bottom of this - possibly by using their insider"Watchdog-typ
e" contacts, they can get hold of someone - namely the big chief of Royal Mail and get it seen to. Nothing prompts action like nationwide embarrassment/hi-lit
ing bad (or should I say, non-existent) service!
I'm still waiting for over a dozen parcels (that I know of) they may be more - as they are all for my business!
Charlo, Watford says...
2:42pm Tue 28 Aug 07
andy, oxhey says...
3:23pm Tue 28 Aug 07
sadley the bbc have not picked up on the under laying issue of what is causing the delay in the first place
they are awere of the problem but could not report on it with out a postie coming forward to tell them because the beeb would be sued with out cofirmed info.so after all out shouting and attempts we sadly are no further forward
Sally, Watford says...
3:44pm Tue 28 Aug 07
Karen - if you had been watching tv at the time you posted your comment you would have seen the story covered on BBC1!
They will be repeating the story again during the 18:30 London News programme. Also on BBC London Radio just after 5!
Not sure it will make any difference (we have not recieved any post at all since last Wednesday!)
So I certainly hope it does!
Stuart, Watford says...
5:07pm Tue 28 Aug 07
Sally, Watford says...
5:33pm Tue 28 Aug 07
BBC Radio London currently doing a phone in if anyone once to voice their concerns over the airways! 94.4!
Also I have now complained to Postwatch the watchdog body for all post services, so perhaps this could be the next course of action for people missing post.
Iffy, Watford says...
5:48pm Tue 28 Aug 07
Nikki, watford says...
6:13pm Tue 28 Aug 07
quoteeen waiting for nearly a month for 4 parcels and they are certainly not delivery 7 days a week in my road , in fact they're not even delivering 5 days a week !!!!!
dave degen, West Watford says...
6:40pm today Tue 28 Aug 07
A source who works there tells me that many laid off have been replaced by hoards of immigrants so much so that Poles are now the majority.
Of course the issues at the Watford depot are part of a wider problem for RM as it struggles to survive in an impossibly competitive situation with private firms not burdened by RM's overheads or services but use them to their advantage nonetheless
The abandonment of RM seems a deliberate attempt by the government to hasten its demise or foist upon the British workforce foreigners not weighed down by taxes nor our cost of living.
andy, oxhey says...
8:17pm Tue 28 Aug 07
dave degen wrote:well get your source to speak to the bbc thats all they are waiting for but i think there is more to it than just the workers
Lost mail is least of problems at the Ascot road Royal Mail depot and the chaos is the tip of the iceberg. A source who works there tells me that many laid off have been replaced by hoards of immigrants so much so that Poles are now the majority. Of course the issues at the Watford depot are part of a wider problem for RM as it struggles to survive in an impossibly competitive situation with private firms not burdened by RM\'s overheads or services but use them to their advantage nonetheless The abandonment of RM seems a deliberate attempt by the government to hasten its demise or foist upon the British workforce foreigners not weighed down by taxes nor our cost of living.
Sue Elson, Oxhey says...
8:46pm Tue 28 Aug 07
charles, north watford says...
9:31pm Tue 28 Aug 07
Anon, Watford says...
9:33pm Tue 28 Aug 07
mrs foster, watford says...
10:01pm Tue 28 Aug 07
peter.clay@royalmail
.com
Thanks.
P.S. Just a tip for everyone, if you are having a parcel sent to you in the future, tell the sender to send it to a friend/relative who lives OUTSIDE Watford on your behalf. I am getting my parcels sent to my mother in law's in Harrow.
Robster, Watford says...
12:02am Wed 29 Aug 07
http://news.bbc.co.u
k/1/hi/england/beds/
bucks/herts/6967017.
stm
In my opinion an official Royal Mail spokesman needs to make a clear statement with regards to the scale of the problem and the plan to tackle it.
Communication between staff, customers and management is key in a situation like this rather than just leaving it to the rumour mill.
The public understand that the Royal Mail has to work with the resources it has available but transparency and leadership won't break the budget.
James Scott, says...
1:49am Wed 29 Aug 07
Cruyff14, Watford says...
9:25am Wed 29 Aug 07
Perhaps then - with students from colleges and university on leave, the royal mail could employ temporary staff for a few weeks to clear the backlog. Customers get thier post, Roayl Mail retains face and the unions don't prosper.
I see that as a winning answer all round.
anon, Watford says...
10:04am Wed 29 Aug 07
Royal mail ascot road is the most disorganised sorting office. Managers dont have no control of the workers. its the postal workers who rule over the manager. they have all the luxuries in the world. they earn more than a educated office worker, they have a gym, pool table. table tennis, fruitmachines, they have a fully subsidised canteen. i have no sympathy for these people. they have more luxuries then any other profession. and yet they have the audacity to strike. more recently a royal mail manager gets sacked for discipling there staff. whole orgransiation is corrupted.
AVG royal mail staff earn 25k a year. with overtime they earn 35-37 grand a year.
I say sack the staff. get staff who would work hard and not demand ridiculus wages.
Most of all Get rid of the CWU the communication workers union. powers gone to there head. there as bad as the RMT.
iCool, WD3 says...
10:25am Wed 29 Aug 07
Why shouldn't the workers have the right to withdraw their labour? Removing this right would be a step back towards slavery.
Sarah, Watford says...
10:28am Wed 29 Aug 07
iCool, WD3 says...
10:30am Wed 29 Aug 07
Have you filled out the online complaint form? Written/emailed Postwatch? Has the sender sought compensation?
bob, says...
10:55am Wed 29 Aug 07
are you related to that fool barbelybob.
its avg 19 and with overtime up to around 25 ok..
and if this problem was caused by the postmen i would not be urging the public to complain to the highest level would i ? and no barbelybob i'm not the slightest bit left wing tbh.. there seems to be some confusion as to why there is a back log of mail at watford.. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ONE DAY NATIONAL STRIKES OK, that was cleared in one day.
its because royal mail management at watford are stopping the postmen using their own cars. as a result they are saying ok we will work by the book and are taking their breaks instead of sorting through them going out in the royal mail transport of which there is not enough. as a result the mail is piling up. casual staff are no use whatso ever read previous posts.. mail dumped/ left on walls ect..
why do you think the management transfer their calls to unanswered phones ??
keep complaning. but not to watford the managers there do not care......
nicki misner, watford, wd24 says...
11:28am Wed 29 Aug 07
Sonia Dickinson, North Watford says...
12:00pm Wed 29 Aug 07
I am still waiting for solicitors letters sent to me at the beginning of July and re-sent again at the beginning of August. None of them have appeared yet.
Aimzie, Watford says...
1:14pm Wed 29 Aug 07
Why should we pay for the stamps when the Royal Mail take no care in actually delivering our letters and parcels?
If we use couriers, they wont have jobs to complain about so then they'll have to slave away like the rest of us.
AND how come its only Watford suffering and the other Royal Mail postal centres can sort their backlog much faster and more efficiently.
Do the people of Watford send too many letters or something? Or are we more popular and needy with our packages?
WHAT IS GOING ON!?
Angry Watford Man, Watford says...
2:23pm Wed 29 Aug 07
It's disgusting to read how many people have been affected both personally and through their businesses.
My girlfriend is a music teacher. She receives cheques from all the parents of the children she is teaching. Her quarterly wage consists on the 30 or so cheques she receives at the beginning of a term. She has received two cheques in the last 6 weeks, the other 28 or so havent turned up. So effectively she is working for nothing at the moment because her wages have been lost or stolen.
To add to the insult It was 10 years on Sunday since her mother passed away. We ordered some grave stone cleaner so we could tidy up the appearance of where her mother is buried. This was ordered 8 weeks ago and again has since been lost or stolen. This was quite upsetting for my girlfriend as she was trying to make the best out of what isnt a particularly nice occasion.
My father has successfully got a postal worker arrested for stealing mail in Wembley. This was after constant denial from the Post Office right up to Regional Manager level that mail wasnt being stolen. The man was arrested after police entered his house and found parcels, credit card statements stacked up in his house. I wonder how much of this may be going on in Watford. It would be very easy for postal workers to steal packages now and simply blame it on all the back log ..
Nick, Oxhey says...
3:08pm Wed 29 Aug 07
Kate, Watford says...
3:42pm Wed 29 Aug 07
customer service. They should stop whining!
ANDY, LEAVESDEN says...
3:55pm Wed 29 Aug 07
Sarah, Watford says...
4:00pm Wed 29 Aug 07
At least half of what is pushed through my door isn't for this address. The letters are are correctly addressed but the postman is incompetent and can't be bothered - I think they are just dumping mail anywhere. I dread to think where the mail I should be getting is going.
Dawn, Watford says...
4:21pm Wed 29 Aug 07
stuart, watford says...
5:18pm Wed 29 Aug 07
Chairmen:Alan Leighton
Chief Exec: Adam Crozier
Both supposedly working at:
148 Old St
London
EC1V 9HQ
Feel free to drop them a line, not sure when they'll receive it though!
GS, Watford says...
5:44pm Wed 29 Aug 07
Julia, Watford says...
6:13pm Wed 29 Aug 07
I have seen more Royal Mail vans in the past two days than have been seen in months.
I got so desperate and angry last week that I contacted the Mayor, and even she couldn't get through to the Sorting Office. I don't know if that had any effect, but I feel that somebody has been given a kick up the backside!
Lidia, West Watford says...
6:17pm Wed 29 Aug 07
quotequote
Sally, Watford says...
6:19pm Wed 29 Aug 07
Royal Mail is also obliged to perform to set standards in relation to collections from post boxes and deliveries to residential and commercial premises. Where deliveries are concerned, Royal Mail is also required to meet a target in respect of the percentage of mail that is correctly delivered
In Watford Royal Mail are clearly in breach of these standards so we really need to take legal action the whole town residents and commercial organizations lets us take a stand - any volunteers?!?!
stuart calver, watford says...
6:21pm Wed 29 Aug 07
stuart, watford says...
6:24pm Wed 29 Aug 07
Sally wrote:Am not in the legal side of life but am more than willing to assist in anyway I can. I can scribe a good letter though!
If anyone out there is a Solicitor and fancies a challenge I found this information on Postcomms website Royal Mail is also obliged to perform to set standards in relation to collections from post boxes and deliveries to residential and commercial premises. Where deliveries are concerned, Royal Mail is also required to meet a target in respect of the percentage of mail that is correctly delivered In Watford Royal Mail are clearly in breach of these standards so we really need to take legal action the whole town residents and commercial organizations lets us take a stand - any volunteers?!?!
andy, oxhey says...
7:38pm Wed 29 Aug 07
would you if you were a postie??? so ha ho it looks like we are no further forward.
still its not raining
pete, Watford says...
8:50pm Wed 29 Aug 07
Adam, Watford says...
10:13pm Wed 29 Aug 07
John, Watford says...
1:06am Thu 30 Aug 07
Royal Mail workers (The last bastion of nationalisation) have been rooted in their archaic ways for many many years.
Change takes time!!!
But the Royal Mail workers must realise that the days of Union Domination went out in the 60/70's.
Carry on the way they are in this harsh, highly competitive market and there won't be a Royal Mail!!!
Ever heard of Privatisation?? CWU will find it hard to get there disruptive foot in the door then!!
Wish I could get 2.5% on my state pension.
Yes, like others I have outstanding parcels, credit cards and letters.....
John, Watford.
anonnnnnn, watford says...
5:26am Thu 30 Aug 07
iCool wrote:well in that case,it should be the employers right to sack the lot of them and cherry pick the ones to re-employ just like the heathrow sandwich makers.Unions are a thing of the past and just like a divorce lawyer,will encourage fighting all the way in court(meaning bigger pay days)so the unions encourage strikes.The thing is the union officials are not paid by the employer and dont suffer.Look at the prison officers,striking over basically half a % over a year,its bloody madness and if they dont like the conditions get another job.The unions are a thing of the past,there are bodies in place that do the job of the unions for nothing,thats why union membership is dropping off the scale.
Anon,
Why shouldn't the workers have the right to withdraw their labour? Removing this right would be a step back towards slavery.
Andrea, Watford says...
8:09am Thu 30 Aug 07
GARY, WATFORD says...
9:48am Thu 30 Aug 07
Gary wrote:AND I AM STILL WAITING
I have been waiting for a recorded delivery package posted out to me on the 7th Aug,what a JOKE WHATS BEING DONE TO RESOLVE THE BACK LOG MAIL ? WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS DISGRACEFUL SITUATION ? WHEN WILL I GET MY PACKAGE.? WHO CAN WE LOG HOW COMPLAINTS WITH ?
Nick, Oxhey says...
9:55am Thu 30 Aug 07
David, Watford says...
10:06am Thu 30 Aug 07
The trouble is monetary inflation has been rampant over the last few years while CPI inflation has been fiddled with cheap imports to be around 2.0%! What's a working-class two-up, two down next to light industry Watford now? 230k? 850 quid a month to rent?
This is why so many people - even those on good incomes - feel dirt poor while the government boasts of booms and economic growth.
Unless you earn a packet there's no point working in Brown's Britian - you may as well 'work' the benefits system. Unless living costs come down to match real-world wages strikes will be more frequent, futile as they may be.
leggattsresident, N.Watford says...
11:26am Thu 30 Aug 07
Jason, Carpenders Park says...
11:42am Thu 30 Aug 07
Sally (again)!!, Watford says...
12:04pm Thu 30 Aug 07
To escalate the complaint call this number 0207 250 2888
this Royal Mail Head Office and you do get a real person on the end of the phone.
Also keep any envelopes/packaging with the franked date on if the item has been delayed then you can claim (get a form from the post office)
JMAN, Kingswood says...
1:14pm Thu 30 Aug 07
iCool, WD3 says...
1:59pm Thu 30 Aug 07
anonnnnnn wrote:What other organisations do the job of the unions?
iCool wrote: Anon, Why shouldn\'t the workers have the right to withdraw their labour? Removing this right would be a step back towards slavery.well in that case,it should be the employers right to sack the lot of them and cherry pick the ones to re-employ just like the heathrow sandwich makers.Unions are a thing of the past and just like a divorce lawyer,will encourage fighting all the way in court(meaning bigger pay days)so the unions encourage strikes.The thing is the union officials are not paid by the employer and dont suffer.Look at the prison officers,striking over basically half a % over a year,its bloody madness and if they dont like the conditions get another job.The unions are a thing of the past,there are bodies in place that do the job of the unions for nothing,thats why union membership is dropping off the scale.
You could argue the situation with the screws is an entirely different situation. Their strike was illegal and the job they do very different.
The CWU strikes were legal, well publicised and any one with truly urgent or vital items had time to make alternative arrangements. The workers cannot be blamed if they or their suppliers chose not to.
anon, says...
2:16pm Thu 30 Aug 07
GARY wrote:you have well and truly lost that package specails should always be deliverd there priority in royal mail so u best get on to you supplier before you lose the right to claim
Gary wrote: I have been waiting for a recorded delivery package posted out to me on the 7th Aug,what a JOKE WHATS BEING DONE TO RESOLVE THE BACK LOG MAIL ? WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS DISGRACEFUL SITUATION ? WHEN WILL I GET MY PACKAGE.? WHO CAN WE LOG HOW COMPLAINTS WITH ?AND I AM STILL WAITING
dawn, watford says...
2:40pm Thu 30 Aug 07
anonnnn, watford says...
2:59pm Thu 30 Aug 07
iCool wrote:Thats not realy the case is it,if you purchase something online how do you have any options on how its delivered.What about letter post,no alternative there apart from expensive courier.We have bodies in place like employment tribuals for wrongful dismissal, sex discrimination etc.It seems the only use the unions have now is to try and force pay awards at the public expence.Look at the strikes lately,trains,airpor
anonnnnnn wrote:What other organisations do the job of the unions?
iCool wrote: Anon, Why shouldn\'t the workers have the right to withdraw their labour? Removing this right would be a step back towards slavery.well in that case,it should be the employers right to sack the lot of them and cherry pick the ones to re-employ just like the heathrow sandwich makers.Unions are a thing of the past and just like a divorce lawyer,will encourage fighting all the way in court(meaning bigger pay days)so the unions encourage strikes.The thing is the union officials are not paid by the employer and dont suffer.Look at the prison officers,striking over basically half a % over a year,its bloody madness and if they dont like the conditions get another job.The unions are a thing of the past,there are bodies in place that do the job of the unions for nothing,thats why union membership is dropping off the scale.
You could argue the situation with the screws is an entirely different situation. Their strike was illegal and the job they do very different.
The CWU strikes were legal, well publicised and any one with truly urgent or vital items had time to make alternative arrangements. The workers cannot be blamed if they or their suppliers chose not to.
t cleaners,posties,pri
son officers etc all unskilled work.It seems the best way forward is to get some qualifications and get a decent well payed job rather than get the unions to get you well payed for unskilled work.Just one more thing,all the posties on here keep saying it has nothing to do with the strike,so how come you say we were given warnings as to avoid the delays if they are caused by something else Mmmmm food for thought.
Stuart - again!, watford says...
3:36pm Thu 30 Aug 07
1. Made another official complaint to Royal Mail. Same old story.
2. Rang post office headquarters and asked to speak to both the Chairman and Chief Executive. Not alot of joy there funnily enough.
3. Have also rang POSTWATCH and spoke to them. They were unaware of the problem in Watford (I navigated the guy on the phone to this site), he also asked me to forward him an email that I've personally received from Royal Mail stating "They have
now resumed normal duties and all your packages should have been delivered." Don't know what else I can do now apart from turning up at the Post Office HQ in London and requesting an interview!!
Karen (again), Watford says...
5:08pm Thu 30 Aug 07
As for contacting Ebay sellers to make claims for lost items --- some of them just don't want to know, so I am asuming I'll have to file claims for each and every item I bought on Ebay that hasn't shown up. I'm guessing I'll have to submit receipts and credit card invoices to show all the other items purchased for my business that haven't arrived either. Has anyone filed claims yet and been granted the compensation OR are they stalling and saying the items aren't officially "lost"?
stuart, watford says...
5:23pm Thu 30 Aug 07
David, Watford says...
5:23pm Thu 30 Aug 07
I know that it's impossible to live on normal wages thanks to Gordenron Brownshirt's inflation lies and allowing banks to pump up the credit supply and inflate the housing market but the odd public sector body going on strike won't change that. It just makes everyone else suffer.
Someone said the post office average wage is 19k or 25k with overtime. For barely-skilled work that's more than most skilled clerical workers, trilingual secretaries with special skills, and even some graudate-level workers.
Anon, says...
10:35am Fri 31 Aug 07
leggattsresident, N.Watford says...
11:04am Fri 31 Aug 07
David Blair, Watford says...
11:34am Fri 31 Aug 07
stuart, watford says...
12:35pm Fri 31 Aug 07
Anon wrote:Yes we do need 'posties' - RELIABLE ONES! Clearly Watford have not, as yet managed to employ one!
Stop whinging you lot - you need us posties. No we\'re not gonna clear your backlog in any hurry, its one of the things thats helping our cause. Complain as much as you like, its the managers who have to deal with them, which stops them from getting rid of the backlog. Thats cool, cos eventually they\'ll get us to sort it on double overtime, when they stop being so tight. And the extra will come in handy for christmas, especially as you lot are such misers with christmas tips these days. Its brilliant to see backlogged mailbag chucked on top of backlogged mailbag. You lot would think we\'ve got it cushy, but its not like the good old days - I have to do a full week every week now, not like I used to.
stuart, watford says...
1:37pm Fri 31 Aug 07
Lou, Watford says...
2:52pm Fri 31 Aug 07
Royal Mail, trade unions and employees can give as many excuses as they like - they simply cannot deliver. Sounds like a good chance for someone to set up a separate delivery point for parcels etc in Watford and other major centres to avoid them getting lost by Royal Mail.
It's no wonder email and online banking etc is growing in such popularity - Royal Mail are no alternative for speed and efficiency.
martin, south oxhey says...
3:10pm Fri 31 Aug 07
karen (again), Watford says...
3:27pm Fri 31 Aug 07
STEPHEN, Watford says...
4:08pm Fri 31 Aug 07
Sam, Watford says...
4:29pm Fri 31 Aug 07
Ken, Garston says...
4:37pm Fri 31 Aug 07
By the way, my family and I am awaiting delivery of many packages and parcels, many birthday cards including money, bills etc.
I am a strong supporter of the Post Office and steadfastly against privatisation, but this situation presents a challenge!Disgraceful.
Peter Riley, Watford says...
5:24pm Fri 31 Aug 07
I would have hoped Mr. Crozier would be too busy himself to respond to publicity stunts like this. Obviously not!
andy, oxhey says...
7:16pm Fri 31 Aug 07
Nadine, Leavesden says...
7:42pm Fri 31 Aug 07
RRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHH
HH
charlotte, watford says...
8:07pm Fri 31 Aug 07
andy wrote:so numbers are???
hi peeps still waiting for your post? so am i. hey why not phone the direct lines to watford but i suspose if we did that they whould\'nt have time to sort our mail,ha
will it do any good???????
Charlie, Garston, Watford says...
9:14pm Fri 31 Aug 07
The postal deliveries in our area are becoming so erratic that they would arrive at 10:30am one day, 5:00 pm on another day, & they never come on other days. The manager at the Depot is so incompetent that he still hasn't got a clue as how to revolve the problem. He thinks employing some untrained temporary foreign workers would solve the problems for him.
Daniel, Garston says...
9:39pm Fri 31 Aug 07
sackthelotofem, watford says...
7:36am Sat 1 Sep 07
Daniel wrote:Make that stolen,the amount of mail ive received that has clearly been opened is crazy and the ones i receive are of no value whereas the ones that dont arrive are of value,strange but i know what i think.Also has anybody else experienced signed for mail,signed by the postman for you and left on the doorstep,seems to be the norm at the post office and when i rang and complained i was told it was normal procedure and not to worry.Defeats the whole point of the signed for service.I suggest everything you send by post should be sent second class as this seems to be the level of service they provide no matter what.I dont think we need to call in the armed forces as of yet lol but i would go with the police...to arrest all the thieving gits at the post.I bet this strike action has been a thieves charter down ascot road and would like the post office to tell us exactly the levels of compensation they have had to pay out over this so we can actually see how much mail has gone permenantly missing or in plain english...THIEVED
I suggest the police or the army should be called in to safeguard our un-delivered mail packages, as so many of them are lost (or stolen)in our chaotic Royal Mail depot.
Adam Crozier, Royal Mail HQ says...
9:17am Sat 1 Sep 07
Listen, you lot, wake up and smell the coffee.
We've got bureaucrats at the EU, the regulator Postwatch, and private mail firms, all chomping at the bit to open up postal delivery market for items up to 2kg, and you're letting sackfuls of mail pile up at Ascot Road. What a great way to win over Joe Public and everyone else. Talk about turkeys voting for Xmas.
And worst of all, I've had that mayor of yours, Dotty, and and that MP - I've forgotten her name - bending my ear about it. There's so much moaning, it's like being back at the FA again.
Rest assured, if you don't pull your fingers out, you'll soon be ebnjoying the delights of private sector working practices i.e. you don't do your job, you won't have one.
Any way, don't say I didn't warn you.
Adam Crozier
fred, watford says...
9:44am Sat 1 Sep 07
Sally, Watford says...
9:47am Sat 1 Sep 07
Anon wrote:The very fact you have remained 'anon' speaks volumes.
Stop whinging you lot - you need us posties. No we\'re not gonna clear your backlog in any hurry, its one of the things thats helping our cause. Complain as much as you like, its the managers who have to deal with them, which stops them from getting rid of the backlog. Thats cool, cos eventually they\'ll get us to sort it on double overtime, when they stop being so tight. And the extra will come in handy for christmas, especially as you lot are such misers with christmas tips these days. Its brilliant to see backlogged mailbag chucked on top of backlogged mailbag. You lot would think we\'ve got it cushy, but its not like the good old days - I have to do a full week every week now, not like I used to.
From what I have seen many Postmen do not share your selfish opinion. Infact many are also suffering from missing post too.
It is people like you that cause the problems in the country.
People are waiting for cheques - which without causes bills to go unpaid and this obviously causes more problems.
I hope someone finds out who you are so that you can be made an example of.
NO MATE WE DON'T NEED POSTIES LIKE YOU!
m.t, says...
11:24am Sat 1 Sep 07
Adam Crozier "GET IT SORTED...NOW".
andy, oxhey says...
1:46pm Sat 1 Sep 07
nick, Oxhey says...
2:25pm Sat 1 Sep 07
Valerie, north of Watford says...
3:01pm Sat 1 Sep 07
Why not phone him for support? The media can help.
Melissa, Watford says...
5:12pm Sat 1 Sep 07
Gemma Slade, North Watford says...
6:12pm Sat 1 Sep 07
paul, says...
9:02pm Sat 1 Sep 07
sam, Watford says...
10:10pm Sat 1 Sep 07
chopper, west watford says...
12:30pm Sun 2 Sep 07
leggattsresident, N.Watford says...
2:32pm Sun 2 Sep 07
Posties, you have lost the public support in Watford and many will now heap scorn on you on the picket line, you are fools for listening to your unions. You will not need your union soon as you have done yourselves out of a job. Roll on the breaking of the <2kg monopoly, when this happens I will never, ever, use RM again.
Bill Ayre, North Watford says...
2:41pm Sun 2 Sep 07
Jos, Watford says...
3:45pm Sun 2 Sep 07
Nick, Oxhey says...
4:27pm Sun 2 Sep 07
Jos wrote:Nothing wrong with that; that is a normal service. The problem is with the +200,000 PARCELS and PACKETS (not letters) being held at Ascot Road because of the ongoing dispute, some having been held since July.
I received a letter posted to me on Thursday 30th August on Saturday morning - what's wrong with that?
citylinkarethenuts, watford says...
7:05pm Sun 2 Sep 07
Bill Ayre wrote:Listen to this one bill,it will kill you lol.I ordered an item online and paid for signed for delivery and this was on the 16th of july.After about 3 weeks i contacted the company to say the item had not arrived and they promptly apologised and sent out a replacement.By the end of august the original parcel arrived and was returned(wrong item and not the posts fault)This was on a sunday at that.When the second parcel arrived a few days ago i was a bit happier but vowed to use CITY LINK 08700 007 007 from now on.On saturday i got a letter from RM to say the company i purchased from online had put in a compensation claim and could i confirm if the parcel had been delivered or not.I had to laugh as its supposed to be signed for and therefore recorded.I sent back a short shrift F*** You,im not doing your job for you and to check your records.The strange thing is that letter was posted the day before.Like i say try using CITY LINK for all your essential deliveries and lets put Royal Mail further on the racks.Hopefully the management have the balls to sack all the lazy,workshy loafers at the sorting office.Apparently the sorting and delivery staff at ascot road have been told they dont work hard enough by the management.....hello
I may be a little cynical but it stikes as odd that in my mail on Friday I received 2 letters, 1 from a friend who lives in Watford that was posted first class on 13 August and another from the Town Hall posted second class on 30 August! When will they get rid of the RoyaL Mail\'s monopoly and let someone who can cope with the demands deliver mail in a timely manner?
,thats been the case since the friggin war....
yrusostupid, watford says...
6:28am Mon 3 Sep 07
Jos wrote:Oh well,that must mean that everyone on here is immagining things.Try reading the comments before putting your tuppence worth in or are you just thumbing your nose at people....stupid person...
I received a letter posted to me on Thursday 30th August on Saturday morning - what's wrong with that?
iCool, WD3 says...
10:36am Mon 3 Sep 07
Bill Ayre wrote:They'll get rid of Royal Mails monopoly when another company offers to deliver to the lucrative markets of the South West, mid Wales and Highlands of Scotland.
I may be a little cynical but it stikes as odd that in my mail on Friday I received 2 letters, 1 from a friend who lives in Watford that was posted first class on 13 August and another from the Town Hall posted second class on 30 August! When will they get rid of the RoyaL Mail\'s monopoly and let someone who can cope with the demands deliver mail in a timely manner?
simon, Watford says...
11:31am Mon 3 Sep 07
Peter, Watford says...
11:32am Mon 3 Sep 07
Do they seriously believe that everything will work smoothly if the monopoly is ended?
Just look at the utilities that have already been privatised. Railways and water for instance - hardly a good example are they?
Companies will move in on the profitable jobs and as for the rest, the service will be far worse than it is now. Profits from the lucrative jobs will be taken by big business while taxpayers are left to pick up the bill for the remainder of the service.
Standard delivery times and prices will both suffer. Stop this lazy thinking and regurgitating of tabloid soundbites!!!
Al, North Watford says...
12:43pm Mon 3 Sep 07
iCool, WD3 says...
12:49pm Mon 3 Sep 07
simon wrote:Are you stuck in a timewarp? Most businesses use BACS for payment settlement now and Consignia became Royal Mail Group back in 2002.
Whats is so difficult about collecting and delivering mail?? Why do they allow postboxes to be open when they obviously cannot deliver? My company has been waiting for a cheque for nearly £20000, which i know has been posted late july....in kings langley!! I also am waiting for a repaired engagement ring, again posted over a month ago. GET YOU ACT TOGETHER POST OFFICE / CONSIGNIA.
Keep up.
Alison, Watford says...
4:48pm Tue 21 Aug 07