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Anger over planned dump closure

1:20pm Sunday 9th March 2008

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The proposed closure of a recycling depot in Watford attracted further criticism this morning, this time from residents queuing to use the site.

The Wiggenhall Road household waste and recycling centre has been marked for closure by Hertfordshire County Council, despite having collected more than 5,000 tonnes of rubbish last year.

Already unhappy to be in a line of cars queuing around the corner, many of Sunday's recyclers were angry to hear about the plans.

Mrs Simpson, from South Oxhey, said: "Closing it down would be terrible. It would just encourage fly-tippers.

"I used to live in Tolpits Lane and people were forever dumping things in the woods. I don't see how they can close this. We're meant to be helping the environment not closing recycling sites."

Another regular user of the depot, Manos Tank, from Northwood, said: "I've lived in Northwood for the past 20 years and I've always come here. Closing it is not a good idea as people will just throw things in the general waste.

"Places like this have to be everywhere. Recycling has to be made part of our lifestyle. If you make people travel miles they are not going to have any incentive to recycle."

The decision to close the dump was made due to a lack of space and the proximity of other facilities. If it goes ahead it is set to save County Hall £115,900 every year.

John O'Conner, of Bradshaw Road, Watford, had a further problem with the closure of the site, the possible loss of helpful staff.

He said: "You couldn't find nicer people than the ones who work here. There's never any shouting or pushing. They always help everyone.

"If you're elderly and need help they're straight out there to help you. Closing it down would be against everything proper."

To read more about the planned closure, including comments from Watford Observer readers, use the link below. To leave your own comment, fill out the comment form.



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Vince, the eye of the storm says...
7:49am Mon 10 Mar 08

Time to recycle the council.

JohnBoy, Watford says...
10:50am Mon 10 Mar 08

The council need lessons on being green. Tips like this need to be near the centre of the population, not on the extremeties as Rickmansworth would be. Do they want fleets of cars travelling such distances to dispose of their waste?

This idea is just so stupid.

jj, watford says...
12:45pm Mon 10 Mar 08

JohnBoy wrote:
The council need lessons on being green. Tips like this need to be near the centre of the population, not on the extremeties as Rickmansworth would be. Do they want fleets of cars travelling such distances to dispose of their waste?

This idea is just so stupid.
Where do you do your weekly shopping Johnboy? Tescos?.People have no problem with taking the car shopping EVERY week,yet the same people are the ones bleeting on about a rubbish dump they might use once or twice a year.Then they take the biscuit by pretending that its an environmental issue rather than a personal inconvienience.

JohnBoy, Watford says...
3:48pm Mon 10 Mar 08

jj wrote:
JohnBoy wrote: The council need lessons on being green. Tips like this need to be near the centre of the population, not on the extremeties as Rickmansworth would be. Do they want fleets of cars travelling such distances to dispose of their waste? This idea is just so stupid.
Where do you do your weekly shopping Johnboy? Tescos?.People have no problem with taking the car shopping EVERY week,yet the same people are the ones bleeting on about a rubbish dump they might use once or twice a year.Then they take the biscuit by pretending that its an environmental issue rather than a personal inconvienience.
You may only use the tip once a year but there are plenty who don't.

Sadly you failed to grasp the irony of the situation but I will try to spell it out to you JJ.

The idea about the segregated rubbish at the tip is that it is environmentally friendly, haven't we got a lovely green council? No we haven't because the fools want the mass population of Watford to drive over to Rickmanswort to dispose of their waste. Where is the sense in that?

jj, watford says...
4:39pm Mon 10 Mar 08

JohnBoy wrote:
jj wrote:
JohnBoy wrote: The council need lessons on being green. Tips like this need to be near the centre of the population, not on the extremeties as Rickmansworth would be. Do they want fleets of cars travelling such distances to dispose of their waste? This idea is just so stupid.
Where do you do your weekly shopping Johnboy? Tescos?.People have no problem with taking the car shopping EVERY week,yet the same people are the ones bleeting on about a rubbish dump they might use once or twice a year.Then they take the biscuit by pretending that its an environmental issue rather than a personal inconvienience.
You may only use the tip once a year but there are plenty who don't.

Sadly you failed to grasp the irony of the situation but I will try to spell it out to you JJ.

The idea about the segregated rubbish at the tip is that it is environmentally friendly, haven't we got a lovely green council? No we haven't because the fools want the mass population of Watford to drive over to Rickmanswort to dispose of their waste. Where is the sense in that?
For one,i dont like your patronising tone.You are not addressing a five year old child here.So explain how segregating the rubbish helps,the rubbish is stiill there,it dosent disappear,especilly when it is either burnt or buried somewear in China or Indonesia after being shipped halfway across the world at the expence of the tax payer.A simple solution would be to stop making all the rubbish in the first place.Most people can get rid of 99% of their rubbish via the bin man and re-cycling,which is probably why its no longer needed.I say if you make a ton of rubbish,do the noble thing and get a skip,your rubbish,your problem.Like i say if you shop at any of the supermarkets and use your car or fly abroad for a holiday,you can hardly preach about the environment,thats all i was pointing out.

VoR, Watford says...
5:28pm Mon 10 Mar 08

For one, you are a Otoole jj.
For two, segregation is part of recycling!
For three, not everyone goes to the s ite one or two days a year, only you do as it's difficult on a bicycle.
For four, I bet you're a member of the fiends of the Earth.
For Five, you are a Four year old!
Where are you going for your holidays, camping in the back garden?

jj, watford says...
6:06pm Mon 10 Mar 08

?.My point being if you make that much rubbish that your down the tip every other week,hire a F-u-c-k-i-n-g skip,nothing friends of the earth about that.You are clearly the most immature contributer on this site,your hilarious.Dont use a bike for shopping i just shop locally and use shankses ponies.What is an Otoole,enlighten me..

VoR, Watford says...
6:24pm Mon 10 Mar 08

Plays for WFC and is Irish!
I have a car load to take every other weekend
to do my bit for the environment, If I didn't then i'd have too much to recycle and they wouldn't take it. I have a family of four worth of rubbish kindly donated by the supermarket. Skips costs about £70, bit expensive for that.
Immaturity comes with having to swear jj.....grow up!

VoR, Watford says...
6:40pm Mon 10 Mar 08

You've really got my Goat up on this, I've tried to see your point of view but i'll be buggered if I can.
You want me to get someone to drive over to give me a skip so I can fill it up over a period of say a month, plus all the world and their wives drive by rubbish, for them to drive back over to collect it and take to a dumping ground. Your not making sense at all, are you on drugs or have had a drink already?
Adult conversation please!

The Plinth of Darkneth, Watford says...
7:45pm Mon 10 Mar 08

jj wrote:
?.My point being if you make that much rubbish that your down the tip every other week,hire a F-u-c-k-i-n-g skip,nothing friends of the earth about that.You are clearly the most immature contributer on this site,your hilarious.Dont use a bike for shopping i just shop locally and use shankses ponies.What is an Otoole,enlighten me..
So, Okocha, perhaps you could enlighten me as to what one does with a redundant tumbledrier once it has been replaced?

The obvious thing to do is to take it to your local recycling centre (aka tip).

How do you otherwise propose in dealing with that scenario then?

jj, watford says...
8:12pm Mon 10 Mar 08

VoR wrote:
Plays for WFC and is Irish!
I have a car load to take every other weekend
to do my bit for the environment, If I didn't then i'd have too much to recycle and they wouldn't take it. I have a family of four worth of rubbish kindly donated by the supermarket. Skips costs about £70, bit expensive for that.
Immaturity comes with having to swear jj.....grow up!
This from the div who was gonna "kick his F*%"*%$ head in" a comment made to a story of a 13 year old being mugged,and what you would do if you caught the culprit,very mature from a father of two.If you make the rubbish and it costs £70 to get rid of it then you should pay for it,after all,its your rubbish.Im a single bloke,pay the same council tax as you do,why should i subsidise you?How many journeys would you need to take in your motor to get a skip load of rubbish down to the tip,20?Against one lorry,seems better for the environment to me,just heavier on YOUR pocket but then thats not my problem.The skip companies get rid of their rubbish exactly the same places as the local tip.

okocha, watford says...
8:20pm Mon 10 Mar 08

The Plinth of Darkneth wrote:
jj wrote:
?.My point being if you make that much rubbish that your down the tip every other week,hire a F-u-c-k-i-n-g skip,nothing friends of the earth about that.You are clearly the most immature contributer on this site,your hilarious.Dont use a bike for shopping i just shop locally and use shankses ponies.What is an Otoole,enlighten me..
So, Okocha, perhaps you could enlighten me as to what one does with a redundant tumbledrier once it has been replaced?

The obvious thing to do is to take it to your local recycling centre (aka tip).

How do you otherwise propose in dealing with that scenario then?
For a start its your tumbledrier and when you bought it,you knew it wouldnt last forever,so your problem.Try ringing the council,they may charge you but so what.How would you get it down the tip even if it was open? stick it in the boot?Also,if you were not so tight,when the new one was delivered,you would have had the option for £10 or £20 for the delivery team to take away the old one.Are you telling me you couldnt think of that yourself?maybe its not a good idea for you to have electricity in your house,its not safe...

The Plinth of Darkneth, Watford says...
8:47pm Mon 10 Mar 08

okocha wrote:
The Plinth of Darkneth wrote:
jj wrote:
?.My point being if you make that much rubbish that your down the tip every other week,hire a F-u-c-k-i-n-g skip,nothing friends of the earth about that.You are clearly the most immature contributer on this site,your hilarious.Dont use a bike for shopping i just shop locally and use shankses ponies.What is an Otoole,enlighten me..
So, Okocha, perhaps you could enlighten me as to what one does with a redundant tumbledrier once it has been replaced?

The obvious thing to do is to take it to your local recycling centre (aka tip).

How do you otherwise propose in dealing with that scenario then?
For a start its your tumbledrier and when you bought it,you knew it wouldnt last forever,so your problem.Try ringing the council,they may charge you but so what.How would you get it down the tip even if it was open? stick it in the boot?Also,if you were not so tight,when the new one was delivered,you would have had the option for £10 or £20 for the delivery team to take away the old one.Are you telling me you couldnt think of that yourself?maybe its not a good idea for you to have electricity in your house,its not safe...
Oh dear.

You're really missing the point here aren't you?

Recycling sites are there as a public amenity and people should be encouraged to use them as such.

This is a convenient and effective method for decent folk to recycle their rubbish.

Incidentally, I actually bought a dishwasher before Christmas and took it home myself - why on earth would I want to waste money on delivery?

As for delivery men removing your old appliances, what assurances do you have that they are being disposed of ethically?

None.

And as you quite rightly say, yes, disposing of your old equipment is your own problem, and one that can obviously be dealt with by using recycling centres.

I really can't see what your problem is with all of this.

Now, it's quickly approaching your bedtime so hurry up and log off and then it's straight to sleep now.


VoR, Watford says...
9:08pm Mon 10 Mar 08

Father of 3 actually but that's non of your bees wax. No wonder you're a single bloke, have fun disposing your meal for one packaging wont ya.
By the way what would you have done to the thieves that have stolen from boy that was not old enough to do anything about it and had realised that if I hadn't stop to direct someone, would have been able to assist? you'd probably have turned the other way eh?
You're boring me now so go to bed and play with yourself!

JohnBoy, Watford says...
8:33am Tue 11 Mar 08

I cannot believe that JJ is against recycling centres. If all families hired a skip imagine the amount of skips that would be required and think of the havoc it would have clogging the streets up.

Then consider how the rubbish would all be mixed up.

Shall I stop there JJ?

Fcukgod, says...
10:11am Tue 11 Mar 08

I’m not sure that the extra distance from Watford to Rickmansworth is really going to amount to much in global terms. I wouldn’t lose any sleep over it.

The people driving over to Rickmansworth to dispose of waste are not necessarily from Watford. The article mentions people from South Oxhey and Northwood. It may well be sensible to move the recycling depot to Rickmansworth depending on its proximity to other recycling depots.

Driving cars and flying abroad are not going to stop. In fact, we won’t even halt their growth in the near future. So moaning about people doing such things is a waste of time. They both contribute only slightly to global warming. It would be better employed by encouraging people to abandon large-scale dairy farming. That would reduce greenhouse gases far more than a reduction in car or air travel ever could. But again, it will never happen. It’s rather pathetic to see people whingeing on about the environment in relation to this proposal. It really isn’t going to make much difference. Dispose of your rubbish in the most cost-effective way available. Its as simple as that. If you have to drive a couple of miles extra to do that, big deal. I don’t have any sympathy for you.

jj, watford says...
11:35am Tue 11 Mar 08

JohnBoy wrote:
I cannot believe that JJ is against recycling centres. If all families hired a skip imagine the amount of skips that would be required and think of the havoc it would have clogging the streets up.

Then consider how the rubbish would all be mixed up.

Shall I stop there JJ?
But not all families need a skip,just the irrisponsible ones who make too much rubbish that the binmen cant dispose of it.

jj, watford says...
11:42am Tue 11 Mar 08

VoR wrote:
Father of 3 actually but that's non of your bees wax. No wonder you're a single bloke, have fun disposing your meal for one packaging wont ya.
By the way what would you have done to the thieves that have stolen from boy that was not old enough to do anything about it and had realised that if I hadn't stop to direct someone, would have been able to assist? you'd probably have turned the other way eh?
You're boring me now so go to bed and play with yourself!
You are the one that mentioned your family,not me.You miss the point about the boy being mugged,you called me immature for swearing so i pointed out your earlier post,in which you used exactly the same terminology,pot,kett
le,black.As for playing with myself,ive got a gorgeous partner to do all that for me.When i said i was single i meant i lived on my own,so maybe single wasnt the right word.I really havent got time for people that talk big online,i would bet a pound to a penny you would not say ant such thing to my face,so why on here?

VoR, Watford says...
11:45am Tue 11 Mar 08

Fair doooooooos,
But you are better off ranting to Dorothy about this........not me!

jj, watford says...
11:47am Tue 11 Mar 08

JohnBoy wrote:
I cannot believe that JJ is against recycling centres. If all families hired a skip imagine the amount of skips that would be required and think of the havoc it would have clogging the streets up.

Then consider how the rubbish would all be mixed up.

Shall I stop there JJ?
Im not againt re-cycling centres but watford was outdated and not up to modern re-cycling.The point i was making was people were up in arms because of the inconvienience it causes them yet tried to use the green card.Yet these same people bar a few drive to tesco 50 or more times a year in their cars....

jj, watford says...
12:16pm Tue 11 Mar 08

The Plinth of Darkneth wrote:
okocha wrote:
The Plinth of Darkneth wrote:
jj wrote:
?.My point being if you make that much rubbish that your down the tip every other week,hire a F-u-c-k-i-n-g skip,nothing friends of the earth about that.You are clearly the most immature contributer on this site,your hilarious.Dont use a bike for shopping i just shop locally and use shankses ponies.What is an Otoole,enlighten me..
So, Okocha, perhaps you could enlighten me as to what one does with a redundant tumbledrier once it has been replaced?

The obvious thing to do is to take it to your local recycling centre (aka tip).

How do you otherwise propose in dealing with that scenario then?
For a start its your tumbledrier and when you bought it,you knew it wouldnt last forever,so your problem.Try ringing the council,they may charge you but so what.How would you get it down the tip even if it was open? stick it in the boot?Also,if you were not so tight,when the new one was delivered,you would have had the option for £10 or £20 for the delivery team to take away the old one.Are you telling me you couldnt think of that yourself?maybe its not a good idea for you to have electricity in your house,its not safe...
Oh dear.

You're really missing the point here aren't you?

Recycling sites are there as a public amenity and people should be encouraged to use them as such.

This is a convenient and effective method for decent folk to recycle their rubbish.

Incidentally, I actually bought a dishwasher before Christmas and took it home myself - why on earth would I want to waste money on delivery?

As for delivery men removing your old appliances, what assurances do you have that they are being disposed of ethically?

None.

And as you quite rightly say, yes, disposing of your old equipment is your own problem, and one that can obviously be dealt with by using recycling centres.

I really can't see what your problem is with all of this.

Now, it's quickly approaching your bedtime so hurry up and log off and then it's straight to sleep now.

Try washing your own dishes you lazy get,problem solved.

The Plinth of Darkneth, Watford says...
12:38pm Tue 11 Mar 08

jj wrote:
VoR wrote: Father of 3 actually but that's non of your bees wax. No wonder you're a single bloke, have fun disposing your meal for one packaging wont ya. By the way what would you have done to the thieves that have stolen from boy that was not old enough to do anything about it and had realised that if I hadn't stop to direct someone, would have been able to assist? you'd probably have turned the other way eh? You're boring me now so go to bed and play with yourself!
You are the one that mentioned your family,not me.You miss the point about the boy being mugged,you called me immature for swearing so i pointed out your earlier post,in which you used exactly the same terminology,pot,kett le,black.As for playing with myself,ive got a gorgeous partner to do all that for me.When i said i was single i meant i lived on my own,so maybe single wasnt the right word.I really havent got time for people that talk big online,i would bet a pound to a penny you would not say ant such thing to my face,so why on here?
sorry idiotboy, but I have to stand up for VoR here as you actually wrote "very mature from a father of two." in an earlier post.

Get your facts right before you start trying to be clever.

Now CBBC is on in five minutes and you dont want to miss that now do you?


The Plinth of Darkneth, Watford says...
12:46pm Tue 11 Mar 08

jj wrote:
The Plinth of Darkneth wrote:
okocha wrote:
The Plinth of Darkneth wrote:
jj wrote: ?.My point being if you make that much rubbish that your down the tip every other week,hire a F-u-c-k-i-n-g skip,nothing friends of the earth about that.You are clearly the most immature contributer on this site,your hilarious.Dont use a bike for shopping i just shop locally and use shankses ponies.What is an Otoole,enlighten me..
So, Okocha, perhaps you could enlighten me as to what one does with a redundant tumbledrier once it has been replaced? The obvious thing to do is to take it to your local recycling centre (aka tip). How do you otherwise propose in dealing with that scenario then?
For a start its your tumbledrier and when you bought it,you knew it wouldnt last forever,so your problem.Try ringing the council,they may charge you but so what.How would you get it down the tip even if it was open? stick it in the boot?Also,if you were not so tight,when the new one was delivered,you would have had the option for £10 or £20 for the delivery team to take away the old one.Are you telling me you couldnt think of that yourself?maybe its not a good idea for you to have electricity in your house,its not safe...
Oh dear. You're really missing the point here aren't you? Recycling sites are there as a public amenity and people should be encouraged to use them as such. This is a convenient and effective method for decent folk to recycle their rubbish. Incidentally, I actually bought a dishwasher before Christmas and took it home myself - why on earth would I want to waste money on delivery? As for delivery men removing your old appliances, what assurances do you have that they are being disposed of ethically? None. And as you quite rightly say, yes, disposing of your old equipment is your own problem, and one that can obviously be dealt with by using recycling centres. I really can't see what your problem is with all of this. Now, it's quickly approaching your bedtime so hurry up and log off and then it's straight to sleep now.
Try washing your own dishes you lazy get,problem solved.
Well it works when you have a family of four, two of which work long hours...

I can easily justify owning a dishwasher, and it's not down to laziness either. It's down to effective time management.

As a singleton, you probably have no idea about the pressures of bringing up a young family, clearly.


jj, watford says...
1:32pm Tue 11 Mar 08

The Plinth of Darkneth wrote:
jj wrote:
VoR wrote: Father of 3 actually but that's non of your bees wax. No wonder you're a single bloke, have fun disposing your meal for one packaging wont ya. By the way what would you have done to the thieves that have stolen from boy that was not old enough to do anything about it and had realised that if I hadn't stop to direct someone, would have been able to assist? you'd probably have turned the other way eh? You're boring me now so go to bed and play with yourself!
You are the one that mentioned your family,not me.You miss the point about the boy being mugged,you called me immature for swearing so i pointed out your earlier post,in which you used exactly the same terminology,pot,kett le,black.As for playing with myself,ive got a gorgeous partner to do all that for me.When i said i was single i meant i lived on my own,so maybe single wasnt the right word.I really havent got time for people that talk big online,i would bet a pound to a penny you would not say ant such thing to my face,so why on here?
sorry idiotboy, but I have to stand up for VoR here as you actually wrote "very mature from a father of two." in an earlier post.

Get your facts right before you start trying to be clever.

Now CBBC is on in five minutes and you dont want to miss that now do you?

I agree but that was after Vor said he has a family of four,so i assumed it was mum,dad and Two kids.Dont see what business it is of yours,but KINDLY GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT and you will avoid looking the complete P-r-a-t- you do now.I await your apology as Vor has already done so

jj, watford says...
1:48pm Tue 11 Mar 08

The Plinth of Darkneth wrote:
jj wrote:
The Plinth of Darkneth wrote:
okocha wrote:
The Plinth of Darkneth wrote:
jj wrote: ?.My point being if you make that much rubbish that your down the tip every other week,hire a F-u-c-k-i-n-g skip,nothing friends of the earth about that.You are clearly the most immature contributer on this site,your hilarious.Dont use a bike for shopping i just shop locally and use shankses ponies.What is an Otoole,enlighten me..
So, Okocha, perhaps you could enlighten me as to what one does with a redundant tumbledrier once it has been replaced? The obvious thing to do is to take it to your local recycling centre (aka tip). How do you otherwise propose in dealing with that scenario then?
For a start its your tumbledrier and when you bought it,you knew it wouldnt last forever,so your problem.Try ringing the council,they may charge you but so what.How would you get it down the tip even if it was open? stick it in the boot?Also,if you were not so tight,when the new one was delivered,you would have had the option for £10 or £20 for the delivery team to take away the old one.Are you telling me you couldnt think of that yourself?maybe its not a good idea for you to have electricity in your house,its not safe...
Oh dear. You're really missing the point here aren't you? Recycling sites are there as a public amenity and people should be encouraged to use them as such. This is a convenient and effective method for decent folk to recycle their rubbish. Incidentally, I actually bought a dishwasher before Christmas and took it home myself - why on earth would I want to waste money on delivery? As for delivery men removing your old appliances, what assurances do you have that they are being disposed of ethically? None. And as you quite rightly say, yes, disposing of your old equipment is your own problem, and one that can obviously be dealt with by using recycling centres. I really can't see what your problem is with all of this. Now, it's quickly approaching your bedtime so hurry up and log off and then it's straight to sleep now.
Try washing your own dishes you lazy get,problem solved.
Well it works when you have a family of four, two of which work long hours...

I can easily justify owning a dishwasher, and it's not down to laziness either. It's down to effective time management.

As a singleton, you probably have no idea about the pressures of bringing up a young family, clearly.

It takes half hour to wash the dishes,a fraction of the time your spend prattling away on here hint,hint.If you read my earlier post,you will see im not single,ive explained that, so your reference to that is childish.And having a dishwasher and tumbledryer IS down to laziness,pure and simple,like yourself,you can paint it anyway you like but its pure unadulterated laziness.....

VoR, Watford says...
3:17pm Tue 11 Mar 08

Ooooo, I think this has got away from us a tad!

Now jj let me get this straight, for arguments sake,

You want a reduction in Council Tax because you do not have the same amount of rubbish as everyone else, want to see skips in everyones front garden, Ban everyone from using supermarkets that you've got to drive to, No one can go abroad anymore. Stop people from having kids, having to go down to the river to wash your clothes.
Not sure whether any of this is gonna happen, but by all means have fun trying, try becoming a member of the stupid party.

Mark, Watford, Watford says...
3:18pm Tue 11 Mar 08

VoR wrote:
Fair doooooooos, But you are better off ranting to Dorothy about this........not me!
It's got nothing to do with the Mayor - its Herts County Council recycling centre and their decision to close the Watford centre.
One of the things that concerns me is the extra congestion that will be caused by Watford folk having to travel to Rickmansworth to use these facilities.

JohnBoy, Watford says...
3:27pm Tue 11 Mar 08

Tolpits lane sure will be busy. Still why not move the traffic problem somewhere else? Great solution NOT!

meridanny, watford says...
4:43pm Tue 11 Mar 08

VoR wrote:
Ooooo, I think this has got away from us a tad!

Now jj let me get this straight, for arguments sake,

You want a reduction in Council Tax because you do not have the same amount of rubbish as everyone else, want to see skips in everyones front garden, Ban everyone from using supermarkets that you've got to drive to, No one can go abroad anymore. Stop people from having kids, having to go down to the river to wash your clothes.
Not sure whether any of this is gonna happen, but by all means have fun trying, try becoming a member of the stupid party.
You see even if i use an alias,enter into a debate and start to gain ground,you simply revert to insults and childish response.I dont care what any of you say,the only reason you are bleeting on is because of the inconveinience it causes YOU,it has nothing to do with anything else.I dont give a F-u-c-k- myself as i have a huge re-cycling depot just down the road if i ever need it.As for what youve listed above,they were examples given to all you pseudo swampys,to show you how silly your argument was.Im not stupid as well you know but you sure do a good impression of a stupid man and im tiring of it.

VoR, Watford says...
4:55pm Tue 11 Mar 08

Ohhh you little tease.
Brilliant, you got one over on me, I take my hat off to you sir, but I still think you're gay, this made up gorgeous girlfriend wouldn't be mum would it? LOL!!!!

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