Mosque 'firebomb' revenge attacker given conditional discharge (From Watford Observer)
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Mosque 'firebomb' revenge attacker given conditional discharge
5:10pm Friday 24th April 2009 in News
A teenager who carried out a revenge attack on someone he thought had firebombed his mosque has been given an eight-month conditional discharge.
Mohammed Aziz, 18, of High Road, Leavesden, along with Zain Hussain, beat up Liam Cady in a street attack on Wednesday, August 13.
Aziz pleaded guilty to ABH at a previous St Albans Crown Court hearing, but sentence was adjourned because the prosecution did not accept Aziz's claim he had not kicked Mr Cady as he lay cowering on the floor.
Liam Cadby had told police how he was beaten up by two men in the street for no apparent reason.
He said he was punched and repeatedly kicked in the head during an unprovoked attack after he was approached by two people in Sherriff Way, Watford.
The prosecution said Aziz and Hussain launched the attack near the Kingswood subway because they believed wrongly Mr Cadby was responsible for an arson attack on their mosque.
Mr Cadby said Aziz punched him in the chest before Hussain landed a blow to his left eye.
The victim said as he lay curled in a ball on the floor, both men kicked him in the face as he shouted: “My tooth, my tooth”. The attack left Mr Cadby with two broken front teeth and swelling to his eye and nose.
Aziz was to take part in what is known as a Newton hearing in front of a judge, without a jury at Luton Crown Court today - so called because it establishes the gravity of the offence.
However, the prosecution accepted the defence's version of events and Judge Breen imposed an eight-month conditional discharge and ordered Aziz to pay £150 in costs.
Comments(23)
HertsPeter
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7:40pm Fri 24 Apr 09
crapman
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7:49pm Fri 24 Apr 09
hurricanes&butterflies
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8:54pm Fri 24 Apr 09
Wilkinson
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4:36pm Sat 25 Apr 09
Will we one day have a similar situation to the Northern Ireland troubles of the recent past? For years the indigenous population there(Catholics) were treated as 2nd class citizens by the government and foreigners (protestants), until a certain section could take no more, and began an armed struggle to try and claim their country back. You can only push people so far before they snap, so its not impossible.
None of the main political parties in this country represent white working class people, they feel dispondant and unfairly treated, Britain is a pressure cooker that will eventually explode, thus proving the likes of Enoch Powell right all along.
Spencer Agneau
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5:50pm Sat 25 Apr 09
hurricanes&butterfliThe far right couldn't sort this out, they would only make it worse. Look what happened in Germany in the 30's. Lets have a bit more common sense
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And they wonder why the far right are making inroads in politics....
enlightened one
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7:14pm Sat 25 Apr 09
crapman
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9:35pm Sat 25 Apr 09
e will hear a little more from you
Lol_91
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10:15pm Sat 25 Apr 09
crapman wrote:Racist? 1: Please learn how to spell. 2. I wouldn't go saying it's a racist attack, Liam wasn't attacked because he was white or anything. 3. Indeed, the sentence sucks. I hope Mr. Cadby is ok and Mr. Aziz and Hussain can rot away under a rock!
yet again,another rasist attack on a white brit,and the offenders get off with it,,would'nt it just be, a completely different sentance,if it was the other way around,unfortunatly, we are just foreigners ourselves in our own country
crapman
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9:14pm Sun 26 Apr 09
screamingmad
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11:02pm Sun 26 Apr 09
You sound like a bleeding heart Liberal, accepting the place prepared for you as the sacrificial offering on the altar of the politically correct.
Why is it so hard for you to understand that we the people are **** off with you apologists, always trying to justify the behaviour of those who hate us?
"The far right couldn't sort this out, they would only make it worse. Look what happened in Germany in the 30's. Lets have a bit more common sense".
Common sense?
Common sense tells me, that we need to go back to a time when common sense ruled. It is only in the last few decades that the belief in a multicultural society working harmoniously has made its disastrous presence felt.
Your connection between the far right(i assume you mean the British National Party) and Nazism is somewhat tenuous to say the least. The BNP is in no way similar to the mass murderers that came to power in Germany in the 30s.
The BNP is a party of patriots, who care for their own, over, and above concern for others. Call it selfish if you will, I care not for what you think. You are entitled to speak as you find, I will also speak as I find.
Paradise Watford
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9:02am Mon 27 Apr 09
The poor victim was attacked because the attackers thought he had firebombed a mosque NOT because of his colour.
I am not apologising for the attackers, I said when the story first came out and I will say it again now that they deserve to spend a long time in prison regardless of who did or did not kick the victim. This sentence is pathetic to the extreme however its a shame that so many people want to jump so quickly on the racism bandwagon (and make borderline/actual racist comments themselves) rather than look at the facts. But I guess having a go at Muslims is the current 'flavour of the month' in Britain right now.
Wilkinson
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11:55am Mon 27 Apr 09
The point that i, and many others are trying to make is, if it had been the other way round, it would have been portrayed as a racist attack, and that is the part that people are feeling injustice about and are understandably angry.
Furthermore, how do we know this mosque firebomb revenge is not a cover story? It may well have just been an unprovoked attack, where the attacker is attempting to play the system by making up some c0ck and bull, and using their religion, (which those in power are scared stiff of upsetting) as a way of trying to justify their actions.
Parasite, its not a simple case of being "flavour of the month" it's a case that a lot of these people refuse to integrate fully into our society, and follow an ideology which is alien to the indigenous population of these islands. They make up around 2-3% of the population (although prob higher) yet we are always talking about them? Why? You cannot blame people for being angry about this, and being angry that none of the main political parties represent their views. Bury your head in the sand as much as you like, but many ordinary people are now turning to the BNP as their voice in the political arena. These people are not racists, but simply the victims of having nobody in power willing to stand up to the adverse forces of multiculturalism.
Paradise Watford
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12:48pm Mon 27 Apr 09
You can claim that maybe they made up the attack on a mosque as an excuse for a racist attack but I doubt if even you believe that. The facts presented to court have to be accepted.
As to whether or not claims of racism would be made if the situation was reversed who knows. If a church was firebombed and two white british youths attacked a muslim who they thought did the act the motive would still be revenge and not racist.
They are flavour of the month, you’ve admitted that yourself when asking why a relatively small percentage of the population is always being talked about! As to why this group is so much in the fore front of news etc. well I guess you just have to look at recent events (9/11, 27/07 to name two) to see why. But to blame all that population for the attacks is wrong as is the belief that they all support it. Sure some do but many, the majority don’t even if they don’t vocalise that as much as they should.
To round on Muslims at every opportunity is at the least a form of bullying and very close to if not actually racism. It also does not exactly encourage them to want to integrate into our society does it. As usual the masses are turning against a group because they are ignorant about exactly what they are and are about and because they need someone to blame for all that is going wrong in the country. Yes they could do more to change the perception, yes they should integrate more into the country they either chose to move to or were actually born in but doesn’t make the nasty generalisations right does it? All this reminds me quite a lot on how the Jews were treated all over Europe throughout history but especially in Germany in the 1930’s. Its wrong, its ignorant, just plain stupid and a recipy for disaster.
Wilkinson
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2:15pm Mon 27 Apr 09
I'm not sure if your familiar with the Kris Donald case? (perhaps google it) but there lies an example of how the media, and police for that matter, disgustingly tried to cover up an asian on white racist murder up in Scotland. I think the main problem that people have, is the perceived hipocracy in regards to the media portrayal of such cases. Neutrality appears to be rarely carried through.
I'm not sure what your final paragraph was all about, and i wish people would stop referring to 1930's Germany when discussing issues like these. Standing up for oneself, and putting a reasonable case forward for how certain ethnic groups seem to receive preferential treatment is in no way linked to fascism. The forces of liberalism in this country are far too great for us to see anything of the like here in this day and age.
screamingmad
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2:55pm Mon 27 Apr 09
Paradise Watford wrote:If it was not a racist attack, then can I ask why a white was the victim? Why not a Sikh, or a Jew, or was this the deliberate targetting of a white?
At the risk of getting slated along with lol-91 and also reopening a long winded discussion that took place when the story originally appeared this was a revenge attack, not a racist one.
The poor victim was attacked because the attackers thought he had firebombed a mosque NOT because of his colour.
I am not apologising for the attackers, I said when the story first came out and I will say it again now that they deserve to spend a long time in prison regardless of who did or did not kick the victim. This sentence is pathetic to the extreme however its a shame that so many people want to jump so quickly on the racism bandwagon (and make borderline/actual racist comments themselves) rather than look at the facts. But I guess having a go at Muslims is the current 'flavour of the month' in Britain right now.
Just in the wrong place at the right time?
Understand that Islam (as preached by mullahs) is not a religion of peace, it is the epitome of a totalitarian society.
It is not a religion it is a cult.
Mohammed took a religion of tolerance and understanding, and turned it to his own ends.
Spencer Agneau
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3:50pm Mon 27 Apr 09
You are not 'the people' you are an extremist. You may not recognise the fact, but we know. I don't apologise for seeing sense, extremists are there in all walks of life, Christian, Muslim, Communists, Fascists, BNP even football supporters, what we must not do is be Intimidated by them.
Paradise Watford
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4:23pm Mon 27 Apr 09
They are more interested in sensationalism to get viewers or sell papers than reporting the truth. They chase ratings regardless it seems of the damage it causes individuals, groups and even the country.
But again, why acknowledge that media coverage is inconsistent on certain/many matters yet still attack the group they wish to portray as 'evil'?
As to why the guy attacked was white and not any other religion/race I don't know. I could assume that when the arson took place it was reported that a white man was involved and the victim happened to fit the description. Who knows, that part of the trial was not reported but as you brought it up would be interesting to know. Like you said it might just be a case of wrong place at the wrong time.
As to the reference to 1930's Germany it is made because the similarities exist like it or not. It may be small scale at this time but with the rise in the popularity of the BNP, the futhering economic problems, and inefective mainstream political system and a media who couldn't care less about facts its going to escalate
Wilkinson
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4:55pm Mon 27 Apr 09
Spencer Agneau wrote:Very easy to brand people "extremists" sitting there in your big house in Sarratt, perhaps if you were directly affected by the aforementioned subjects you would think differently. But i suppose that would be assuming some sort of intelligence on your part. Go and console yourself over a glass of pimms and spare us your liberalist nonsense.
Screamingmad says, ''Why is it so hard for you to understand that we the people are **** off with you apologists''. You are not 'the people' you are an extremist. You may not recognise the fact, but we know. I don't apologise for seeing sense, extremists are there in all walks of life, Christian, Muslim, Communists, Fascists, BNP even football supporters, what we must not do is be Intimidated by them.
Lol_91
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8:21pm Mon 27 Apr 09
screamingmad wrote:Hmm, that's only one side of the story. These so called "Muslims" who blow themselves up for Allah and Islam are doing it for no reason. The media tends to report these kind of things because it's exicting news, which makes outsiders think that Islam is evil. Simple.
Paradise Watford wrote: At the risk of getting slated along with lol-91 and also reopening a long winded discussion that took place when the story originally appeared this was a revenge attack, not a racist one. The poor victim was attacked because the attackers thought he had firebombed a mosque NOT because of his colour. I am not apologising for the attackers, I said when the story first came out and I will say it again now that they deserve to spend a long time in prison regardless of who did or did not kick the victim. This sentence is pathetic to the extreme however its a shame that so many people want to jump so quickly on the racism bandwagon (and make borderline/actual racist comments themselves) rather than look at the facts. But I guess having a go at Muslims is the current 'flavour of the month' in Britain right now.If it was not a racist attack, then can I ask why a white was the victim? Why not a Sikh, or a Jew, or was this the deliberate targetting of a white? Just in the wrong place at the right time? Understand that Islam (as preached by mullahs) is not a religion of peace, it is the epitome of a totalitarian society. It is not a religion it is a cult. Mohammed took a religion of tolerance and understanding, and turned it to his own ends.
Anywho, back on topic, I personally do not think this is a racist attack and tbh, I couldn't really care who slates me.
screamingmad
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10:01pm Mon 27 Apr 09
Spencer Agneau wrote:Dear S. Lamb.
Screamingmad says, ''Why is it so hard for you to understand that we the people are **** off with you apologists''.
You are not 'the people' you are an extremist. You may not recognise the fact, but we know. I don't apologise for seeing sense, extremists are there in all walks of life, Christian, Muslim, Communists, Fascists, BNP even football supporters, what we must not do is be Intimidated by them.
Did I say.
"All Muslims are suicide bombers or murdering extremists, intent on taking over the world"?
What I did say, and if you had not been so selective in your cut and paste job would have been clear, is.
Understand that Islam (as preached by mullahs) is not a religion of peace, it is the epitome of a totalitarian society.
It is not a religion it is a cult.
Mohammed took a religion of tolerance and understanding, and turned it to his own ends.
What part of my comment makes me an extremist?
Care to comment on that deleted paragraph, and retract the accusation of extremism?
Spencer Agneau
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10:55pm Mon 27 Apr 09
Some Christians join cults and become extreme, they are usually lead by a priest of some sort, do you include these in your sweeping statements.
Religion has a lot to answer for in all denominations, but there are also a lot of good people in all religions.
How do you know so much about Muslims?
Wilkinson must be a failed psychic, he thinks he know me, but he's so wrong. There are a lot of small houses in Sarratt, and I drink Stella.
screamingmad
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11:36pm Mon 27 Apr 09
Look very carefully at timelines. The years around 620AD should be informative. I look forward to your reply.
By the way, I live in a small house, and also enjoy a few Stellas.
All the best in your investigations.
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crazyfrog says...
6:32pm Fri 24 Apr 09
how much longer do we have to put up with this-not fit for purpose judicial system?
my sympathy goes to the innocent victim in this case who was savagely attacked and two front teeth broken and whos attacker walked totally free! what a joke