Mother-of-five jailed for benefit fraud as police hunt 'dead' husband

Watford Observer: Sarah Butt "milked public purse" Sarah Butt "milked public purse"

A 28-year-old mother of five young children has begun a prison sentence for a £46,000 benefit fraud while her husband continues to evade police after a "bogus" death certificate was produced in his name.

Sarah Butt was jailed for 18 months after Judge Bruce Carr said she had “milked the public purse” for benefits after she and her husband Kashif Butt, paid cash for a brand new car, bought a four-bed £275,000 house and claimed to be renting it to continue receiving benefits from Watford Borough Council and had up to £100,000 in various bank accounts.

All the time Kashif Butt said he was earning just £256.53 a month as a warehouseman for Rainbow Plastics Limited, when he was driving around in a £25,000 station wagon he paid cash for, was depositing thousands of pounds at a time and owned the lease on a shop, St Albans Crown Court heard.

During investigations Kashif Butt went to Pakistan and while away the authorities received a death certificate from a hospital, which is now part of a perverting the course of justice investigation by Hertfordshire Constabulary.

Mrs Butt, formerly Wickerson, pleaded guilty to seven counts of carrying out benefit fraud along with her husband, in a claim which was fraudulent from the start.

Robin Griffith, prosecuting, said the pair fraudulently claimed £46,507.97 over four years after an initial application for council tax and housing benefits was received by Watford Borough Council from Mr Butt in 2003.

During the time the couple were living in Berry Lane, Watford, Mr Butt took out a lease on a mini-supermarket in Leavesden Road, Watford.

In 2006 a four-bedroom semi-detached house was bought in Sandringham Road in Mrs Butt's name, which the couple claimed to be renting from a Mrs S Butler to enable them to rake in more benefits. When investigators became suspicious they produced a fake shorthold tenancy agreement in an attempt to cover their deception.

Mrs Butt's name was on the mortgage application stating she was a post office manager at the Leavesden Road shop, while informing the council she was unemployed.

Up to £20,000 a time was being deposited into accounts, and counting only amounts of £500 and over the prosecution said a figure “in excess” of £100,000 was paid in from “undisclosed sources”.

Mr Griffith said: “We characterise this as a deliberate fraud of some sophistication over a long period of time.

“There was an adjournment because the defence said Mr Butt had unhappily died in Pakistan, which seems to be entirely false and there are proceedings for perverting the course of justice taking place.

“We have since received documentation to show that the purported death certificate is bogus and information from the hospital where he was supposed to have been taken, shows he did not.”

He added: “That is not to be held against Mrs Butt, I merely add it for background to the case.”

In interview Mrs Butt maintained Mrs Butler was the landlady of their home in Sandringham Road. She said her husband filled out all the paperwork and she thought they were renting the property.

The shop at the post office was her sister's and she helped out occasionally, Mrs Butt told investigators.

She refused to answer questions at a second interview.

Joanna Staples, defending, pointed out her client was a woman of previous good character, who had carried out the fraud at “the behest” of her husband.

Asking the judge to suspend any prison sentence Miss Staples said: “Without any disrespect to my client she is not a worldly wise woman.

“She left school with a few low grade GCSEs and has had two jobs as a shop assistant in Watford card shops.

“She is 28 and has five children, the first when she was 20 or 21, ranging from seven months to eight-years-old.

“She said that although she knew the benefit forms were wrong she went along with it to avoid a fight.

“There may be an underlying trigger to these offences where Mrs Butt has the desire to please her husband, which can maybe linked to low self esteem and lack of assertiveness.

“Her husband was the prime offender and he led her into the other offences.”

Miss Staples said Mr Butt had taken the money and his wife was now living penniless, still drawing benefits, with her sister.

Sentencing at St Albans Crown Court on Friday, Judge Carr said: “For four years you and your husband made repeated representations to Watford Borough Council which you knew to be false.

“In excess of £100,000 was coming into a bank account. You weren't a poverty stricken mother trying to eke out a living for you and your children. You have milked the public purse.

“You decided to claim benefits for a house that you owned, saying your husband was earning just £256 a month from a firm which was out of business.

“To assist your bogus claim you produced a bogus tenancy agreement.

“This is a very bad case of benefit fraud. You were plainly living together and had a very good lifestyle with your husband for four years.

“I am very conscious of the need not to sentence you for the crimes of your husband in his absence.

“The prime mover was your husband and were he standing next to you in the dock the sentence would be substantially greater than I will impose on you.”

Having passed the 18-month sentence Judge Carr added: “I make no order for costs. You have no substantial means and ongoing responsibility for a large and young family.

“Any resources you have I would want to see spent on the upbringing of the children.”

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9:38pm Mon 15 Jun 09

hempstead says...

Our local Post Master here in old Hemel has just been jailed for 12 months he stole £100,000 from the Post Office and only got 12 months
Our local Post Master here in old Hemel has just been jailed for 12 months he stole £100,000 from the Post Office and only got 12 months hempstead
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10:25pm Mon 15 Jun 09

Madmartayus says...

Sounds real good Hempstead,nice work if you can get it!
Sounds real good Hempstead,nice work if you can get it! Madmartayus
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10:55pm Mon 15 Jun 09

crazyfrog says...

I think our MP's have done alot worse than this! at the end of the day the MP'S were in a position of trust and have stole more, lets see them in court and get longer sentances than this lady, somehow i doubt it will ever happen though
I think our MP's have done alot worse than this! at the end of the day the MP'S were in a position of trust and have stole more, lets see them in court and get longer sentances than this lady, somehow i doubt it will ever happen though crazyfrog
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5:10am Tue 16 Jun 09

bishopofwatford says...

crazyfrog wrote:
I think our MP's have done alot worse than this! at the end of the day the MP'S were in a position of trust and have stole more, lets see them in court and get longer sentances than this lady, somehow i doubt it will ever happen though
here here i must say that the depths to which humankind can fallsometimes make me wonder just exactly why some nay most decide to plough the straight,decent and honest path thru life. i certainly agree that the defrauding warranted not only a custodial sentence but also total confiscation of assets to recompense the public purse.


as for that "noble" profession mp well what else is there to say other than one hopes that this further example the lowlife vermin that walk amongst us shud all be up against the beak ...hang i dont think that that is goig to happen somehow ...let us face it th house of disreput is largely populated by such fine example of jurisprudence namely the legal profession
public school toffs who havent done an honest days work in their lives and generally "professional"politi
cos ..what happened to the house of commons...i will tell u they the incumbents whether actively and by being quiet about goings on stole it from us...every single member of that house should be banned from running for political office for 10 years.

harsh yes , fair yes

well will that happen ??
of course not after all they make the rules and feel it is their inherrent right to break them.!
[quote][p][bold]crazyfrog[/bold] wrote: I think our MP's have done alot worse than this! at the end of the day the MP'S were in a position of trust and have stole more, lets see them in court and get longer sentances than this lady, somehow i doubt it will ever happen though[/p][/quote]here here i must say that the depths to which humankind can fallsometimes make me wonder just exactly why some nay most decide to plough the straight,decent and honest path thru life. i certainly agree that the defrauding warranted not only a custodial sentence but also total confiscation of assets to recompense the public purse. as for that "noble" profession mp well what else is there to say other than one hopes that this further example the lowlife vermin that walk amongst us shud all be up against the beak ...hang i dont think that that is goig to happen somehow ...let us face it th house of disreput is largely populated by such fine example of jurisprudence namely the legal profession public school toffs who havent done an honest days work in their lives and generally "professional"politi cos ..what happened to the house of commons...i will tell u they the incumbents whether actively and by being quiet about goings on stole it from us...every single member of that house should be banned from running for political office for 10 years. harsh yes , fair yes well will that happen ?? of course not after all they make the rules and feel it is their inherrent right to break them.! bishopofwatford
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8:36am Tue 16 Jun 09

Garston Tony says...

Only 18 months! The only reason she was of previous good character was because she had never been caught before, what a joke. This was benefit fraud on the grandest scale and a much stiffer sentence was needed, including seazing of assets to pay back what they were given and the cost of the investigation and trial. She screwed all of us who pay are taxes and she should have been screwed (in the non biblical sense) back. If she is so incapable then shouldnt the children should be taken from her?
Only 18 months! The only reason she was of previous good character was because she had never been caught before, what a joke. This was benefit fraud on the grandest scale and a much stiffer sentence was needed, including seazing of assets to pay back what they were given and the cost of the investigation and trial. She screwed all of us who pay are taxes and she should have been screwed (in the non biblical sense) back. If she is so incapable then shouldnt the children should be taken from her? Garston Tony
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2:45pm Tue 16 Jun 09

Johnjones1959 says...

Gosh if the postmaster only got a year what will the thieving politicians get, SFA I suppose.
Gosh if the postmaster only got a year what will the thieving politicians get, SFA I suppose. Johnjones1959
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11:14pm Tue 16 Jun 09

mummy_1 says...

I feel desperately sorry for this woman's children.

They are now without any parents. Although Mum has done wrong, the children will not understand and their poor lives will be scarred. Reading between the lines, she is a victim in all of this.

I have seen this lady taking her children to school in the mornings and she did not look like she 'was living a very good life-style'. she never smiles and looks downtrodden

Why has she been sent to prison? Community Service and an education would have been better. Sterilisation should also be arranged asap! Another local Mum was not imprisoned a few weeks ago for a similar crime and for a similar amount of money.

I cannot help but feel sorry for the kids!
I feel desperately sorry for this woman's children. They are now without any parents. Although Mum has done wrong, the children will not understand and their poor lives will be scarred. Reading between the lines, she is a victim in all of this. I have seen this lady taking her children to school in the mornings and she did not look like she 'was living a very good life-style'. she never smiles and looks downtrodden Why has she been sent to prison? Community Service and an education would have been better. Sterilisation should also be arranged asap! Another local Mum was not imprisoned a few weeks ago for a similar crime and for a similar amount of money. I cannot help but feel sorry for the kids! mummy_1
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11:19am Wed 17 Jun 09

KevMaskill says...

Sterilisation!?

What has it got to do with you mummy_1 how many kids she has?

Five kids is enough for anyone but it is not your choice to decide for her.

For all you know she has already been sterilised.

I bet it was the cowardly husband that bogged off to Pakistan and conveniently decided to be "dead" who was behind all this and she and her kids are left to pay the price.

That MP Malik has done a similar fraud with his property, yet i don't see him imprisoned.
She is just an easy target.
Sterilisation!? What has it got to do with you mummy_1 how many kids she has? Five kids is enough for anyone but it is not your choice to decide for her. For all you know she has already been sterilised. I bet it was the cowardly husband that bogged off to Pakistan and conveniently decided to be "dead" who was behind all this and she and her kids are left to pay the price. That MP Malik has done a similar fraud with his property, yet i don't see him imprisoned. She is just an easy target. KevMaskill
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11:25am Wed 17 Jun 09

daisy2009 says...

everyone is in charge of their own way in life, yes she should be serving the sentence, its an absoloute disgrace, its too esy to claim god knows what in bens if you have a couple of sprogs in tow, and for the record she always looks like that she should of got longer and the kids given to people that would bring up the kids well, as it will only be history repeating itself when they grow up, there should be a law where people that dont contribute to anything in society should be limited to how many kids they can push out, cos they only end up being dragfed up anyway
everyone is in charge of their own way in life, yes she should be serving the sentence, its an absoloute disgrace, its too esy to claim god knows what in bens if you have a couple of sprogs in tow, and for the record she always looks like that she should of got longer and the kids given to people that would bring up the kids well, as it will only be history repeating itself when they grow up, there should be a law where people that dont contribute to anything in society should be limited to how many kids they can push out, cos they only end up being dragfed up anyway daisy2009
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11:42am Wed 17 Jun 09

KevMaskill says...

You probably haven't got any kids.

Jealousy breeds contempt.
You probably haven't got any kids. Jealousy breeds contempt. KevMaskill
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12:52pm Wed 17 Jun 09

daisy2009 says...

KevMaskill wrote:
You probably haven't got any kids. Jealousy breeds contempt.
why would i be jealous of people that breed like animals, drag their kids up, have no respect for themselves and other people, and seem to think the world owes them something ? sorry, our probably sitting in yoyr council place, on full bens with a can of beer, a fag and wandering what your going to do this afternoon while other people have mortgages and bills to pay..tragic
[quote][p][bold]KevMaskill[/bold] wrote: You probably haven't got any kids. Jealousy breeds contempt.[/p][/quote]why would i be jealous of people that breed like animals, drag their kids up, have no respect for themselves and other people, and seem to think the world owes them something ? sorry, our probably sitting in yoyr council place, on full bens with a can of beer, a fag and wandering what your going to do this afternoon while other people have mortgages and bills to pay..tragic daisy2009
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2:12pm Wed 17 Jun 09

KevMaskill says...

How has she bred like an animal?

The Queen has 4 children only one less.

Has she dragged her kids up?

No evidence of that.

Respect issues not relevant.

World owes them something?

See no evidence of that either.

For the record, i do not live in a council house.

Not that i have any problem with anyone who does.

I actually think social housing is definitely necessary, as the rent is certainly more reasonable than private renting.

You certainly have a bee in your bonnet!

I do not drink or smoke and anyone that knows me can vouch for that.

I don't have a mortgage, as i paid mine off 11 years' ago, aren't i lucky?

And i'm not wondering what to do this afternoon as i am up to my neck in paperwork but having a laugh replying to your comments.

Jealousy will get you no where fast.

xxx
How has she bred like an animal? The Queen has 4 children only one less. Has she dragged her kids up? No evidence of that. Respect issues not relevant. World owes them something? See no evidence of that either. For the record, i do not live in a council house. Not that i have any problem with anyone who does. I actually think social housing is definitely necessary, as the rent is certainly more reasonable than private renting. You certainly have a bee in your bonnet! I do not drink or smoke and anyone that knows me can vouch for that. I don't have a mortgage, as i paid mine off 11 years' ago, aren't i lucky? And i'm not wondering what to do this afternoon as i am up to my neck in paperwork but having a laugh replying to your comments. Jealousy will get you no where fast. xxx KevMaskill
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2:44pm Wed 17 Jun 09

daisy2009 says...

oooh i am certainly brightening up your day! good for you that you have paid your mortgage off, and truthfully that is an achievment, and you should be proud, so you will know how hard it is to 'do it the right way' if you catch my drift? i am of the same generation as person in question and they do get it easy believe me, they do, i know it, i decided not to do the easy route, and actually i am worse off by it it seems, especially in this current climate, its certainly not jealousy, its more of whats the point in doing things the 'right' way when you have millions of people living off hard working tax payers, and this is just one case that has been brought to light, there are thousands of cases like this that never get found out, and with all due respect who are you to start criticising my comments anyway ? there are many people out there who feel the same as me, and i mean many! i deal with people like the above mentioned every day and it is soul destroying so unless you really actually know and see this go on day in day out then you really wouldnt be argueing the toss with me
oooh i am certainly brightening up your day! good for you that you have paid your mortgage off, and truthfully that is an achievment, and you should be proud, so you will know how hard it is to 'do it the right way' if you catch my drift? i am of the same generation as person in question and they do get it easy believe me, they do, i know it, i decided not to do the easy route, and actually i am worse off by it it seems, especially in this current climate, its certainly not jealousy, its more of whats the point in doing things the 'right' way when you have millions of people living off hard working tax payers, and this is just one case that has been brought to light, there are thousands of cases like this that never get found out, and with all due respect who are you to start criticising my comments anyway ? there are many people out there who feel the same as me, and i mean many! i deal with people like the above mentioned every day and it is soul destroying so unless you really actually know and see this go on day in day out then you really wouldnt be argueing the toss with me daisy2009
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3:04pm Wed 17 Jun 09

KevMaskill says...

Firstly, you and me both don't know all the facts.

Secondly, doesn't the husband fleeing to Pakistan show that he probably instigated this fraud in the first place?

After all, at least she stayed to face the music.

He even went on to carry out the 'elaborate' fraud of his "death!"

I think she got carried along with his ideas.

Who knows really but he did the runner and abandoned her and the kids. A coward for sure.

In the long run it will have probably done her a power of good in having got rid of him, even if it was in this way.

Unfortunately, some of these girls nowadays are falling for the "charms" of these con men. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if he only married her for a British passport but that's a different story.

Finally, you appear to be the only one on here criticising her with such vitriol.

Perhaps if you can't beat them you should join them.

Firstly, you and me both don't know all the facts. Secondly, doesn't the husband fleeing to Pakistan show that he probably instigated this fraud in the first place? After all, at least she stayed to face the music. He even went on to carry out the 'elaborate' fraud of his "death!" I think she got carried along with his ideas. Who knows really but he did the runner and abandoned her and the kids. A coward for sure. In the long run it will have probably done her a power of good in having got rid of him, even if it was in this way. Unfortunately, some of these girls nowadays are falling for the "charms" of these con men. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if he only married her for a British passport but that's a different story. Finally, you appear to be the only one on here criticising her with such vitriol. Perhaps if you can't beat them you should join them. KevMaskill
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3:23pm Wed 17 Jun 09

daisy2009 says...

KevMaskill wrote:
Firstly, you and me both don't know all the facts. Secondly, doesn't the husband fleeing to Pakistan show that he probably instigated this fraud in the first place? After all, at least she stayed to face the music. He even went on to carry out the 'elaborate' fraud of his "death!" I think she got carried along with his ideas. Who knows really but he did the runner and abandoned her and the kids. A coward for sure. In the long run it will have probably done her a power of good in having got rid of him, even if it was in this way. Unfortunately, some of these girls nowadays are falling for the "charms" of these con men. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if he only married her for a British passport but that's a different story. Finally, you appear to be the only one on here criticising her with such vitriol. Perhaps if you can't beat them you should join them.
the problem with people like yourselves is your too busy trying to justify these type of people, they are one of the reasons why the economy is in such a mess, people are afraid to speak up, as i said everyone is in charge of their own destiny, why should i or anyone else feel sorry for her ? if you play with fire sometimes you get burned, tough sh1t really, they should stop benefits and have strict rules, and people should be held accountable for their own actions, e/g if they have 5 kids then there will be NO benefits they have to pay for their own offspring themselves maybe they would think twice at opening their legs at every given opportunity, women in other countrys (if they are single parents) have to leave their babys with a chosen carer/guardian and work as they have no welfare support, and do they have lots of children ? they dont because THEY CANT AFFORD THEM! but, see, this country, the more kids you have the more money you are entitled to, you obviously have no idea how the system works, maybe it is better to be ignorant to todays society kev !
[quote][p][bold]KevMaskill[/bold] wrote: Firstly, you and me both don't know all the facts. Secondly, doesn't the husband fleeing to Pakistan show that he probably instigated this fraud in the first place? After all, at least she stayed to face the music. He even went on to carry out the 'elaborate' fraud of his "death!" I think she got carried along with his ideas. Who knows really but he did the runner and abandoned her and the kids. A coward for sure. In the long run it will have probably done her a power of good in having got rid of him, even if it was in this way. Unfortunately, some of these girls nowadays are falling for the "charms" of these con men. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if he only married her for a British passport but that's a different story. Finally, you appear to be the only one on here criticising her with such vitriol. Perhaps if you can't beat them you should join them. [/p][/quote]the problem with people like yourselves is your too busy trying to justify these type of people, they are one of the reasons why the economy is in such a mess, people are afraid to speak up, as i said everyone is in charge of their own destiny, why should i or anyone else feel sorry for her ? if you play with fire sometimes you get burned, tough sh1t really, they should stop benefits and have strict rules, and people should be held accountable for their own actions, e/g if they have 5 kids then there will be NO benefits they have to pay for their own offspring themselves maybe they would think twice at opening their legs at every given opportunity, women in other countrys (if they are single parents) have to leave their babys with a chosen carer/guardian and work as they have no welfare support, and do they have lots of children ? they dont because THEY CANT AFFORD THEM! but, see, this country, the more kids you have the more money you are entitled to, you obviously have no idea how the system works, maybe it is better to be ignorant to todays society kev ! daisy2009
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4:30pm Wed 17 Jun 09

KevMaskill says...

The economy, that's a different topic all together.

I didn't ask you to feel sorry for her, but on looks she looks a bit simple to me.

The husband probably did knock her self-esteem and had her under the thumb.

I'm not ignorant of today's society, as someone in my 50s i think i have a bit more experience of life than you.

The poor woman was married to the conman so what is your problem with her having 5 kids' if she wanted to? She wasn't a single parent then.

Must admit it is the Muslim immigrant population and the Catholics that love these huge families but that is their choice not yours and you're not in power, so stop trying to dictate your opinion.

You're just wasting your time.

I still think you're jealous of the 5 kids, if you are, go see your GP and get yourself referred for free NHS IVF.
The economy, that's a different topic all together. I didn't ask you to feel sorry for her, but on looks she looks a bit simple to me. The husband probably did knock her self-esteem and had her under the thumb. I'm not ignorant of today's society, as someone in my 50s i think i have a bit more experience of life than you. The poor woman was married to the conman so what is your problem with her having 5 kids' if she wanted to? She wasn't a single parent then. Must admit it is the Muslim immigrant population and the Catholics that love these huge families but that is their choice not yours and you're not in power, so stop trying to dictate your opinion. You're just wasting your time. I still think you're jealous of the 5 kids, if you are, go see your GP and get yourself referred for free NHS IVF. KevMaskill
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6:11pm Wed 17 Jun 09

daisy2009 says...

for a person in their 50's things have changed alot from when you were in your 20's so im afraid you dont have the same experiences i have come to gain, and for your info i do have a child and thats why i feel so strongly about people that live off of the likes of me when i do work, own my own home etc, and i have knowone to thank but myself for that, why would i possible be jealous of a woman that has had 5 kids from different people and is now in lock down!!!!! maybe you are a relative trying to stick up or something, anyway, bored now, take it easy kev, thanks for the ivf info though didnt realise it was free, at least that is something i could possibly get for free in life if i did require it in the future!!!
for a person in their 50's things have changed alot from when you were in your 20's so im afraid you dont have the same experiences i have come to gain, and for your info i do have a child and thats why i feel so strongly about people that live off of the likes of me when i do work, own my own home etc, and i have knowone to thank but myself for that, why would i possible be jealous of a woman that has had 5 kids from different people and is now in lock down!!!!! maybe you are a relative trying to stick up or something, anyway, bored now, take it easy kev, thanks for the ivf info though didnt realise it was free, at least that is something i could possibly get for free in life if i did require it in the future!!! daisy2009
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6:25pm Wed 17 Jun 09

KevMaskill says...

Where does it say that the kids' were from different fathers', i've not read that?

Oh! you made that up!

Well i'm glad your not receiving any Child Benefit or Child Tax Credits for your child.

Oh! you receive those benefits do you? of course you do, one rule for you and one rule for her i suppose.

No, i'm not a relative, i come from a better looking family, ha ha ha, two of my sons' are models and as they are in their 20s you might even know them.

Good for you if you go to work, own your own home, you benefit from it otherwise you wouldn't do it!So what's the big deal?

How about all those poor sods out there paying for your kid's education, healthcare etc. that haven't got any kids?

Oh! no you don't take from the system?

Oh! yes you do!

No man/woman is an island.
Where does it say that the kids' were from different fathers', i've not read that? Oh! you made that up! Well i'm glad your not receiving any Child Benefit or Child Tax Credits for your child. Oh! you receive those benefits do you? of course you do, one rule for you and one rule for her i suppose. No, i'm not a relative, i come from a better looking family, ha ha ha, two of my sons' are models and as they are in their 20s you might even know them. Good for you if you go to work, own your own home, you benefit from it otherwise you wouldn't do it!So what's the big deal? How about all those poor sods out there paying for your kid's education, healthcare etc. that haven't got any kids? Oh! no you don't take from the system? Oh! yes you do! No man/woman is an island. KevMaskill
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7:23pm Wed 17 Jun 09

mummy_1 says...

KevMaskill wrote:
Sterilisation!? What has it got to do with you mummy_1 how many kids she has? Five kids is enough for anyone but it is not your choice to decide for her. For all you know she has already been sterilised. I bet it was the cowardly husband that bogged off to Pakistan and conveniently decided to be "dead" who was behind all this and she and her kids are left to pay the price. That MP Malik has done a similar fraud with his property, yet i don't see him imprisoned. She is just an easy target.
Kev
I have wanted to respond to you all day but did not want to break up the Kev/Daisy show!

As a whole you and I do agree that she is a victim. The comment I made about her being sterlised was out of order however the point I was trying to make is that the lady is not in anyway shape or form in control of her life and therefore should not be bringing into the world anymore lives to ruin.

We do not know the facts but we can see she clearly converted to become a Muslim which would suggest she did not have a strong sense of identity to the faith or culture she was born into.

Her husband I would guess knew her weaknesses and took full advantage them.

Left now are 5 (possibly) very confused children to be brought up the best they can be.

I also can see Daisy's point. We know who we are and where we are going and what is best for our children. I guess from where we are standing it is difficult to understand how a woman can be so weak.

PS Why did the man found guilty today of benefit fraud not receive a custodial sentence too?

[quote][p][bold]KevMaskill[/bold] wrote: Sterilisation!? What has it got to do with you mummy_1 how many kids she has? Five kids is enough for anyone but it is not your choice to decide for her. For all you know she has already been sterilised. I bet it was the cowardly husband that bogged off to Pakistan and conveniently decided to be "dead" who was behind all this and she and her kids are left to pay the price. That MP Malik has done a similar fraud with his property, yet i don't see him imprisoned. She is just an easy target.[/p][/quote]Kev I have wanted to respond to you all day but did not want to break up the Kev/Daisy show! As a whole you and I do agree that she is a victim. The comment I made about her being sterlised was out of order however the point I was trying to make is that the lady is not in anyway shape or form in control of her life and therefore should not be bringing into the world anymore lives to ruin. We do not know the facts but we can see she clearly converted to become a Muslim which would suggest she did not have a strong sense of identity to the faith or culture she was born into. Her husband I would guess knew her weaknesses and took full advantage them. Left now are 5 (possibly) very confused children to be brought up the best they can be. I also can see Daisy's point. We know who we are and where we are going and what is best for our children. I guess from where we are standing it is difficult to understand how a woman can be so weak. PS Why did the man found guilty today of benefit fraud not receive a custodial sentence too? mummy_1
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1:43am Thu 18 Jun 09

watford786 says...

all of you people slagging them off dont even know the whole background story you only belive what you read and judge from that.talking about the dead husband and saying all of them horrible things you all should be ashamed of yourselves.and just because a pakistani man marries a white woman dosen't always mean he wants a passport and saying he has done a runner and left is wife to take the blame how you know hes not dead cause the police have not even proved he's alive whoever is (daisy2009)basically saying she had the kids for money but you dont know **** all about that as for the opening the legs for money you would know all about that wouldnt you just becuse someone has kids doesnt mean their in it for the money and how about someone else did 100,000 fraud and he only got 12 months she did half of that and got 18 months what about that so before sitting there and just slagging other people off think about the whole story first,the editors of the news paper is not always right if they can put the wrong picture on first they can put the wrong story on aswell to sell more papers
all of you people slagging them off dont even know the whole background story you only belive what you read and judge from that.talking about the dead husband and saying all of them horrible things you all should be ashamed of yourselves.and just because a pakistani man marries a white woman dosen't always mean he wants a passport and saying he has done a runner and left is wife to take the blame how you know hes not dead cause the police have not even proved he's alive whoever is (daisy2009)basically saying she had the kids for money but you dont know **** all about that as for the opening the legs for money you would know all about that wouldnt you just becuse someone has kids doesnt mean their in it for the money and how about someone else did 100,000 fraud and he only got 12 months she did half of that and got 18 months what about that so before sitting there and just slagging other people off think about the whole story first,the editors of the news paper is not always right if they can put the wrong picture on first they can put the wrong story on aswell to sell more papers watford786
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2:06am Thu 18 Jun 09

watford786 says...

why didn't the judge think about the 5 kids before he sent her to prison i understand she did wrong but i dont think sending her to prison is the answer she told them she is willing to pay them back why they didn't except that and take the money if they still wanted to give her punishment why the didnt give her community service
why didn't the judge think about the 5 kids before he sent her to prison i understand she did wrong but i dont think sending her to prison is the answer she told them she is willing to pay them back why they didn't except that and take the money if they still wanted to give her punishment why the didnt give her community service watford786
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7:34am Thu 18 Jun 09

mummy_1 says...

watford786 wrote:
all of you people slagging them off dont even know the whole background story you only belive what you read and judge from that.talking about the dead husband and saying all of them horrible things you all should be ashamed of yourselves.and just because a pakistani man marries a white woman dosen't always mean he wants a passport and saying he has done a runner and left is wife to take the blame how you know hes not dead cause the police have not even proved he's alive whoever is (daisy2009)basically saying she had the kids for money but you dont know **** all about that as for the opening the legs for money you would know all about that wouldnt you just becuse someone has kids doesnt mean their in it for the money and how about someone else did 100,000 fraud and he only got 12 months she did half of that and got 18 months what about that so before sitting there and just slagging other people off think about the whole story first,the editors of the news paper is not always right if they can put the wrong picture on first they can put the wrong story on aswell to sell more papers
Many people are agreeing with you that she should not be imprisoned. However if her husband is dead, why would bogus documentation be produced?

When (not if) he reappears he will have to face the music. He appears arrogant and believes he is more clever than he is. Right now he is probably cooking up some great plan to re-invent himself which will fail just like everything else he appears to have plotted!


[quote][p][bold]watford786[/bold] wrote: all of you people slagging them off dont even know the whole background story you only belive what you read and judge from that.talking about the dead husband and saying all of them horrible things you all should be ashamed of yourselves.and just because a pakistani man marries a white woman dosen't always mean he wants a passport and saying he has done a runner and left is wife to take the blame how you know hes not dead cause the police have not even proved he's alive whoever is (daisy2009)basically saying she had the kids for money but you dont know **** all about that as for the opening the legs for money you would know all about that wouldnt you just becuse someone has kids doesnt mean their in it for the money and how about someone else did 100,000 fraud and he only got 12 months she did half of that and got 18 months what about that so before sitting there and just slagging other people off think about the whole story first,the editors of the news paper is not always right if they can put the wrong picture on first they can put the wrong story on aswell to sell more papers [/p][/quote]Many people are agreeing with you that she should not be imprisoned. However if her husband is dead, why would bogus documentation be produced? When (not if) he reappears he will have to face the music. He appears arrogant and believes he is more clever than he is. Right now he is probably cooking up some great plan to re-invent himself which will fail just like everything else he appears to have plotted! mummy_1
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7:46am Thu 18 Jun 09

bishopofwatford says...

well well well

how very true who does know the whole story ...i doubt you and i dear reader will but scratch the surface of the murky underbelly of humankind...but wot are we supposed to do not voice an opinion "because we dont know the full story"...that idea is complete and utter drivel...it is by the exchange of views and ascertaining of facts that we as a society can at least begin to unravel the deeper textures that make up the fabric of life.

we all make mistakes ...what we must do is learn from them and just as important by transgressing the normally accepted moral code of behaviour we must be made an example of so that others can learn from our mistakes.

i think this poor woman shud appeal her sentence and take it from there as long as the children are pproperly looked after ( who is doing this now?) recompense must be carried thru ...i am led to believe she offered to pay bak sums involved...why not let her or better still confiscate the amounts plus 10% on top as a proper pecuniary measure...and hopefully everything will be smoothed out.

still i am offnow with the today exceptionally fragrant archdeaconess to introduce here to rubbing my pews with beeswax...ooh heaven

keep the faith
well well well how very true who does know the whole story ...i doubt you and i dear reader will but scratch the surface of the murky underbelly of humankind...but wot are we supposed to do not voice an opinion "because we dont know the full story"...that idea is complete and utter drivel...it is by the exchange of views and ascertaining of facts that we as a society can at least begin to unravel the deeper textures that make up the fabric of life. we all make mistakes ...what we must do is learn from them and just as important by transgressing the normally accepted moral code of behaviour we must be made an example of so that others can learn from our mistakes. i think this poor woman shud appeal her sentence and take it from there as long as the children are pproperly looked after ( who is doing this now?) recompense must be carried thru ...i am led to believe she offered to pay bak sums involved...why not let her or better still confiscate the amounts plus 10% on top as a proper pecuniary measure...and hopefully everything will be smoothed out. still i am offnow with the today exceptionally fragrant archdeaconess to introduce here to rubbing my pews with beeswax...ooh heaven keep the faith bishopofwatford
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8:04am Thu 18 Jun 09

KevMaskill says...

watford 786

when you wake up from your slumber, answer me where the husband is if he didn't bog off to Pakistan?

Are you the hubby or do you know where he is so he can be punished for making this woman and her kids suffer?

He has "done a runner" what else can it be called when he left her to face the music?

Regarding the taxi driver and the fraud, i have made a comment about that and he has been treated differently by the same court. That is the problem with the sentencing it is not objective but subjective.

Regarding the woman being weak, i still think she was under the thumb and a bit thick to put it midly, he convinced her to go along with it.

Bored with it all now, so no more comments from me on this subject.
watford 786 when you wake up from your slumber, answer me where the husband is if he didn't bog off to Pakistan? Are you the hubby or do you know where he is so he can be punished for making this woman and her kids suffer? He has "done a runner" what else can it be called when he left her to face the music? Regarding the taxi driver and the fraud, i have made a comment about that and he has been treated differently by the same court. That is the problem with the sentencing it is not objective but subjective. Regarding the woman being weak, i still think she was under the thumb and a bit thick to put it midly, he convinced her to go along with it. Bored with it all now, so no more comments from me on this subject. KevMaskill
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7:04pm Thu 18 Jun 09

watford786 says...

First of all your probally bored with your life so you just sit there judging other I'm not the husband I am a friend of the familys I know wats going on and how they are feeling so before you comment just think someone in your family dies and the people say he's alive how waould that feel and part of the police they have no evidence they are just saying it if they have why they didn't show it in the court or show the wife . let me guess it's because he is Pakistani that's why this is going on
First of all your probally bored with your life so you just sit there judging other I'm not the husband I am a friend of the familys I know wats going on and how they are feeling so before you comment just think someone in your family dies and the people say he's alive how waould that feel and part of the police they have no evidence they are just saying it if they have why they didn't show it in the court or show the wife . let me guess it's because he is Pakistani that's why this is going on watford786
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12:26am Fri 19 Jun 09

TrueVoice says...

I have read all the comments on this page,and take all your comments on board.The comments made are all valid and we are all lucky enough to have freedom of speech. As for the true story here are some facts. The most important for me is that the children are in safe hands and are being well looked after.Sarah Butt has stood Trial and is now in Prison and is paying for the crimes that she has committed. Her husband has lead an extravagent lifestyle and has now left her to face and pay for there crime alone. This man is a CON MAN and a COWARD and has left behind dead or alive a young familly who are clearly better off with out him which is the only good thing to come out of this story.
watford786 if you are a friend of the family you must know Kashif, and should not be defending his actions he is gultiy of these crimes and if he has any feeling for his wife & family, should come forward and accept responsibility for his actions.
I have read all the comments on this page,and take all your comments on board.The comments made are all valid and we are all lucky enough to have freedom of speech. As for the true story here are some facts. The most important for me is that the children are in safe hands and are being well looked after.Sarah Butt has stood Trial and is now in Prison and is paying for the crimes that she has committed. Her husband has lead an extravagent lifestyle and has now left her to face and pay for there crime alone. This man is a CON MAN and a COWARD and has left behind dead or alive a young familly who are clearly better off with out him which is the only good thing to come out of this story. watford786 if you are a friend of the family you must know Kashif, and should not be defending his actions he is gultiy of these crimes and if he has any feeling for his wife & family, should come forward and accept responsibility for his actions. TrueVoice
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12:29am Fri 19 Jun 09

TrueVoice says...

PS IS THIS OK
WILL SHE BE TREATED THE SAME????????????

Claire Ward has claimed thousands of pounds in expenses to pay for cleaning bills and has charged the taxpayer £600 for a new mobile phone, it has been revealed.

The MP's “redacted” expenses have today been published on a parliamentary website along with hundreds of others.

The receipts reveal the MP for Watford has paid more than £100 a month to a cleaning firm to attend to her Westminster flat between 2004 and 2008.

They also reveal the Labour MP, who last week started her new job inside the Ministry of Justice, claimed heavily to furnish her Westminster home.

The receipts show Ms Ward spent more than £1,500 to re-carpet the lounge, hallway and two bedrooms of her London home, in July 2005.

In August 2005, she then spent £300 on vinyl tiles for her kitchen floor and then spend £2,500 on “paint and materials” in October 2005.

Between April 1, 2006, and June 2, 2006, Ms Ward spent £112 on a mattress, £104 on a vacuum cleaner and £42 on electrical fittings, all claimed from the taxpayer.

In August 2007, Ms Ward also purchased a £400 washing machine on her expenses.

Between July 2, 2006 and August 2, 2006 Ms Ward also claimed for storage cupboards worth £3,000 and a new sofa and chair, costing £1,500.

Ms Ward claimed almost £600 for a new mobile phone in 2006 and paid a web design company more than £500 to "develop and modify" her website.

Ms Ward's expenses also reveal claims “service charges” of more than £3,000 a year for her London home.

He accounts also show Ms Ward has paid more than £1,500 to a firm of chartered accountants to help her with her annual tax bill.

On April 30, 2006, Ms Ward claimed for £940 after seeking the services of H. W. Fisher and Co to help her with her end of year tax return.

A year later, on March 14, 2007, a bill from the same firm, this time for just over £600, was claimed by Ms Ward.

Ms Ward's expenses have also revealed she claims for a subscription to the Watford Observer.

PS IS THIS OK WILL SHE BE TREATED THE SAME???????????? Claire Ward has claimed thousands of pounds in expenses to pay for cleaning bills and has charged the taxpayer £600 for a new mobile phone, it has been revealed. The MP's “redacted” expenses have today been published on a parliamentary website along with hundreds of others. The receipts reveal the MP for Watford has paid more than £100 a month to a cleaning firm to attend to her Westminster flat between 2004 and 2008. They also reveal the Labour MP, who last week started her new job inside the Ministry of Justice, claimed heavily to furnish her Westminster home. The receipts show Ms Ward spent more than £1,500 to re-carpet the lounge, hallway and two bedrooms of her London home, in July 2005. In August 2005, she then spent £300 on vinyl tiles for her kitchen floor and then spend £2,500 on “paint and materials” in October 2005. Between April 1, 2006, and June 2, 2006, Ms Ward spent £112 on a mattress, £104 on a vacuum cleaner and £42 on electrical fittings, all claimed from the taxpayer. In August 2007, Ms Ward also purchased a £400 washing machine on her expenses. Between July 2, 2006 and August 2, 2006 Ms Ward also claimed for storage cupboards worth £3,000 and a new sofa and chair, costing £1,500. Ms Ward claimed almost £600 for a new mobile phone in 2006 and paid a web design company more than £500 to "develop and modify" her website. Ms Ward's expenses also reveal claims “service charges” of more than £3,000 a year for her London home. He accounts also show Ms Ward has paid more than £1,500 to a firm of chartered accountants to help her with her annual tax bill. On April 30, 2006, Ms Ward claimed for £940 after seeking the services of H. W. Fisher and Co to help her with her end of year tax return. A year later, on March 14, 2007, a bill from the same firm, this time for just over £600, was claimed by Ms Ward. Ms Ward's expenses have also revealed she claims for a subscription to the Watford Observer. TrueVoice
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7:10pm Sat 20 Jun 09

KevMaskill says...

yep, he's a pakistani. And?

He is not dead, at least there is no valid death cetificate, like the tenancy agreement that is a fake.

he's probably back here in England under a different identity.

it's all one huge scam and the poor woman and kids are paying the price of all his scams.

i bet if he'd shown up at court and not been such a coward the poor woman wouldn't have been imprisoned.

why didn't he bog off to pakistan with her and all the kids in tow?

oh no too much hassle and more likely to be found.

Look friend of the family, there's no excuses for his behaviour unless you care to enlighten me of some?
yep, he's a pakistani. And? He is not dead, at least there is no valid death cetificate, like the tenancy agreement that is a fake. he's probably back here in England under a different identity. it's all one huge scam and the poor woman and kids are paying the price of all his scams. i bet if he'd shown up at court and not been such a coward the poor woman wouldn't have been imprisoned. why didn't he bog off to pakistan with her and all the kids in tow? oh no too much hassle and more likely to be found. Look friend of the family, there's no excuses for his behaviour unless you care to enlighten me of some? KevMaskill
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4:18am Mon 22 Jun 09

CoCo79 says...

I used to go to school with Sarah and to be honest allthough she was a nice enough girl she isn't the smartest of people. Having said that though, having a lower IQ doesn't mean you don't know the difference between right and wrong.
Sadly for Sarah, she has been abandoned by the husband who possibly coerced her into commiting the fraud and has left her and their poor children to face the music. She was always easily lead and most likely still is easily manipulated. Race and Religion is not a factor in this, there are many people across the UK of all walks of life claiming benefits they are not entitled to. Mr Butt being Pakistani has no influence on the case! Watford786 Wrong is wrong regardless of race and I hardly think the police thought "Oh, he's Pakistani, lets through the book at him"!
I feel sorry for Sarah and even more so for the children but a crime has been committed and the consequences must be faced.
I used to go to school with Sarah and to be honest allthough she was a nice enough girl she isn't the smartest of people. Having said that though, having a lower IQ doesn't mean you don't know the difference between right and wrong. Sadly for Sarah, she has been abandoned by the husband who possibly coerced her into commiting the fraud and has left her and their poor children to face the music. She was always easily lead and most likely still is easily manipulated. Race and Religion is not a factor in this, there are many people across the UK of all walks of life claiming benefits they are not entitled to. Mr Butt being Pakistani has no influence on the case! Watford786 Wrong is wrong regardless of race and I hardly think the police thought "Oh, he's Pakistani, lets through the book at him"! I feel sorry for Sarah and even more so for the children but a crime has been committed and the consequences must be faced. CoCo79
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6:32pm Thu 25 Jun 09

KevMaskill says...

Ahhh,

as i said to Watford786 the husband is not dead,but been found alive and well in Hemel.

Surprise oh surprise, not!

Don't suppose Watford786 will reply, think he is the "dead" husband!
Ahhh, as i said to Watford786 the husband is not dead,but been found alive and well in Hemel. Surprise oh surprise, not! Don't suppose Watford786 will reply, think he is the "dead" husband! KevMaskill
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12:20am Sat 4 Jul 09

watford786 says...

As I said before I'm not the husband Meriden son of a B u think u clever and know everything get a life find something else to do
As I said before I'm not the husband Meriden son of a B u think u clever and know everything get a life find something else to do watford786
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