A nightclub in Watford won permission to offer customers “striptease and lap dancing”, despite a council's aspirations to create a “family friendly town centre”.
Members of Watford Borough Council said the decision to grant Vogue permission to host adult entertainment felt “like wearing handcuffs”, tied by the Licensing Act 2003, after a hearing at the Town Hall on Friday.
Under the law, applications can only be rejected if they are judged to be in violation of four “licensing objectives”. These are the prevention of crime and disorder, public safety, the prevention of public nuisance and the protection of children from harm.
But despite representations from a local resident, and letters against the application (many of which were rejected because they were considered to contain morale objections), the licensing sub-committee granted permission for the venue to offer “striptease, lap dancing and other activities of a like kind”.
Speaking against the application, Neil Fitton, of Elm Court, said: “Because of the large number of people who already visit Watford to various other establishments, I think this will cause additional visitors in an overcrowded area where it could give rise to alcohol-related violence.
“Due to the nature of activities, it could also give rise to intimidation and harassment of other females that are out in town.”
However, Julian Skeens, representing Opal Leisure and Neil Campbell, owner of Vogue, offered to reduce the venue's maximum capacity to 150 people from 240, and said it “would not be a place where people get drunk”, referring to its minimum pricing policy for alcohol, where a beer costs £4.
Mr Skeens said: “We don't want to encourage inappropriate sex attacks but all the evidence is lap-dancing clubs reduce crime and disorder in the area.”
Mr Skeens revealed that at the venue, all patrons will be seated at all times, with waiter service at the bar. There will also be private dancing booths and a VIP area with a dancing pole, alongside the main stage.
He added: “We should not shy away from the fact the whole idea of this premises is titilation and not the kind of entertainment we want children exposed to. But what is quite clear is we already have a lap dancing in Watford and I'm not aware of any difficulties with that premises.”
Chairman George Derbyshire, who formed the committee alongside councillors Kareen Hastrick and Andrew Mortimer, said: “The committee concluded that the objections of interested parties couldn't be sustained with reference to the four licensing objectives.
“However, the committee feels that a sex establishment of this nature is not supportive of the council's policy for creating a family friendly town centre and regrets the lack of discretion available to it when considering applications of this nature.”
Conditions were imposed on the licence. These include those contained in the premises' operating schedule; a code of conduct for dancers drawn up by the venue; that the licensee shall not allow distribution of flyers containing photos or other images which suggest that strip tease or similar entertainment takes place on the premises and which may be offensive; and the maximum capacity of the premises shall be limited to 150 whilst adult dancing is taking place.
Following the decision, Mr Campbell told the Watford Observer: “The conditions were our suggestion and I'm quite happy to have them on there. We are the only licence in Hertfordshire to have a minimum [drink] pricing policy.
“We're grateful to the council for granting the licence. We know they're not overly happy about it but we hope in time they will think it was a good idea.”
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Can I book tickets for the opening evening for myself, my wife and our three children, or something?
These councillors should lay off the council tax funded 'sauce'.
Who on earth would take their kids to such a place?
Or have they inadvertantly left the door open for the propreitor of this classy joint to stay 'open all hours'?
Answers on a postcard, please...
Can I book tickets for the opening evening for myself, my wife and our three children, or something?
These councillors should lay off the council tax funded 'sauce'.
Who on earth would take their kids to such a place?
Or have they inadvertantly left the door open for the propreitor of this classy joint to stay 'open all hours'?
Answers on a postcard, please...
"Members of Watford Borough Council said the decision to grant Vogue permission to host adult entertainment felt “like wearing handcuffs”,..."
Is it me, or does authority corrupt the minds, not to mention the sexual tendencies, of politicians?
Kinkeeeeeeeee or what?
Answers on another postcard....
"Members of Watford Borough Council said the decision to grant Vogue permission to host adult entertainment felt “like wearing handcuffs”,..."
Is it me, or does authority corrupt the minds, not to mention the sexual tendencies, of politicians?
Kinkeeeeeeeee or what?
Answers on another postcard....
How is the average night out in watford with drunk people **** and puking in the fountain family friendly anyways, so what difference will a strip club bbe, its just inside.
I beat half the councillors already have theie tickets booked for xmas dinner there!!
How is the average night out in watford with drunk people **** and puking in the fountain family friendly anyways, so what difference will a strip club bbe, its just inside.
I beat half the councillors already have theie tickets booked for xmas dinner there!!
Will someone Peeeeeeeeeease tell where I go for the auditions?
Will someone Peeeeeeeeeease tell where I go for the auditions?
There is, unfortunately, a long tradition of Watford Councillors who see it as their duty to impose their moral values on the electorate by trying to dictate what we may or may not see.
There was quite a stir when they tried to prevent local cinemas showing 'The Life of Brian'.
There is, unfortunately, a long tradition of Watford Councillors who see it as their duty to impose their moral values on the electorate by trying to dictate what we may or may not see.
There was quite a stir when they tried to prevent local cinemas showing 'The Life of Brian'.
Mike Ribble wrote…
There is, unfortunately, a long tradition of Watford Councillors who see it as their duty to impose their moral values on the electorate by trying to dictate what we may or may not see. There was quite a stir when they tried to prevent local cinemas showing 'The Life of Brian'.
I'm less than sure it is just councillors in Watford that are faced with a dilemma. Public officers have to walk and determine that thin line between freedom for one party and the impact that freedom has on others many times in a year. There are generally accepted moral values to uphold as well. For me I'd eat my Christmas dinner at any other place than Vogue.
Mike Ribble wrote…
There is, unfortunately, a long tradition of Watford Councillors who see it as their duty to impose their moral values on the electorate by trying to dictate what we may or may not see. There was quite a stir when they tried to prevent local cinemas showing 'The Life of Brian'.
I'm less than sure it is just councillors in Watford that are faced with a dilemma. Public officers have to walk and determine that thin line between freedom for one party and the impact that freedom has on others many times in a year. There are generally accepted moral values to uphold as well. For me I'd eat my Christmas dinner at any other place than Vogue.
Whilst it does have a seedy feel to it I would imagine that this place would have less impact on the area than the many other bars whose sole purpose is to get bus loads of teens and youths drunk as quickly as possible. All those who arent keen on this, why are you not protesting too about the myriad of other bars and clubs that have been blighting that part of town for many many years
and where many of the women who go there probably wear as little walking through the streets as the dancers will wear on stage
Whilst it does have a seedy feel to it I would imagine that this place would have less impact on the area than the many other bars whose sole purpose is to get bus loads of teens and youths drunk as quickly as possible. All those who arent keen on this, why are you not protesting too about the myriad of other bars and clubs that have been blighting that part of town for many many years
and where many of the women who go there probably wear as little walking through the streets as the dancers will wear on stage
Tudor 247 is wrong - there is not a thin moral line to keep to. As a licensing authority the councillors & officers simply need to apply the law -bringing their own personal morals and views into any licensing decision is not their job. It is very simple, parliament has decided what can and can not be licensed, local councillors test the law against each application.
Tudor 247 is wrong - there is not a thin moral line to keep to. As a licensing authority the councillors & officers simply need to apply the law -bringing their own personal morals and views into any licensing decision is not their job. It is very simple, parliament has decided what can and can not be licensed, local councillors test the law against each application.
Andrew1963 wrote…
Tudor 247 is wrong - there is not a thin moral line to keep to. As a licensing authority the councillors & officers simply need to apply the law -bringing their own personal morals and views into any licensing decision is not their job. It is very simple, parliament has decided what can and can not be licensed, local councillors test the law against each application.
Surely the licensing authority have a say. If not, why do they exist?
I agree that they cannot necessarily apply their own personal morals and views, but surely they have to take into account where the premises are situated etc. For example, could a local pub be turned into a strip club because the law says its OK, regardless of the opinions of local licensing authority and councillors?
Andrew1963 wrote…
Tudor 247 is wrong - there is not a thin moral line to keep to. As a licensing authority the councillors & officers simply need to apply the law -bringing their own personal morals and views into any licensing decision is not their job. It is very simple, parliament has decided what can and can not be licensed, local councillors test the law against each application.
Surely the licensing authority have a say. If not, why do they exist?
I agree that they cannot necessarily apply their own personal morals and views, but surely they have to take into account where the premises are situated etc. For example, could a local pub be turned into a strip club because the law says its OK, regardless of the opinions of local licensing authority and councillors?
Why waste money going in there, you see more and get " accosted " more outside for free, just doesn't add up unless it's because the girls inside are a little bit more classy and less drunk than some of the lumps outside showing their hugely inflated Bristols, backside and bellies for free
Why waste money going in there, you see more and get " accosted " more outside for free, just doesn't add up unless it's because the girls inside are a little bit more classy and less drunk than some of the lumps outside showing their hugely inflated Bristols, backside and bellies for free