South Oxhey Community Choir snubs BNP cash (From Watford Observer)

Well more fool them, what with yesterday's news that the BNP are going to change their constitution to allow non white members then this is not really a valid excuse for turning the donation down, although i suspect being from South Oxhey these people don't watch the news and have no idea what occured yesterday!

So you don't wish to take money from a political party that you voted in as a councillor? yet i bet you have no qualms in taking your benefits and council houses from a government who started an illegal war in Iraq and Afghanistan? and who's MP's claim thousands in wrongful expenses every year? People from South Oxhey, of all places, have no right to get on their high horse about the BNP, i think this new found fame has gone to some of their heads.

From where i'm standing Deidre Gates is working very hard, particularly seeing as though she is up against such rubbish on a daily basis. It may well be because of voter apathy she got in, but the point is she got in, and deserves to be given a chance to show what she can do. The neighbourhood watch group could see this, it's the choirs loss if they can't.

Sssssh!.....

With all this lovely lolly on offer, Ms Gates might get a knock from the local mosque!

Well done the Choir. What a travesty, who else has she offered to help?

big willie wrote:
Sssssh!..... With all this lovely lolly on offer, Ms Gates might get a knock from the local mosque!

No they've got Dorothy Thornhill for that.

Wilkinson wrote:
Well more fool them, what with yesterday's news that the BNP are going to change their constitution to allow non white members then this is not really a valid excuse for turning the donation down, although i suspect being from South Oxhey these people don't watch the news and have no idea what occured yesterday! So you don't wish to take money from a political party that you voted in as a councillor? yet i bet you have no qualms in taking your benefits and council houses from a government who started an illegal war in Iraq and Afghanistan? and who's MP's claim thousands in wrongful expenses every year? People from South Oxhey, of all places, have no right to get on their high horse about the BNP, i think this new found fame has gone to some of their heads. From where i'm standing Deidre Gates is working very hard, particularly seeing as though she is up against such rubbish on a daily basis. It may well be because of voter apathy she got in, but the point is she got in, and deserves to be given a chance to show what she can do. The neighbourhood watch group could see this, it's the choirs loss if they can't.

Jealousy!

You obviously have no idea what the Choir is trying to acheive.

Furthermore, I think that it is very harsh of you generalise the people of South Oxhey and the community Choir. The money actually came from the council and he only reason that they refused the funds was because the BNP counceller has been assigned the job of signing cheques.

I voted for the BNP, not throgh choice, but as there was no other candidate to vote for - I did it more as an eye opener to the other candidates that they need to pull their socks up!

I think that your comment is rather pig headed - maybe you should do yourself a favour and actually watch the choir perform - I am not personally in it but close friends and family are - they are a tribute to themselves and an attribute of South Oxhey!

Wilkinson - pull your head out of your ****, the fact that the choir listened to their conscience rather than their bank balance speaks volumes. The donation felt wrong for a number of reasons, and the BNP changing their constitution will not have any effect on these reasons. The choir is open to all from south oxhey and is doing great work to shake off some of the negativity associated with South Oxhey, something which the BNP noticed and wanted to be a part of. Well they may change their constitution but they will remain vile and ignorant..you cant polish a turd as they say.

SouthOxheyHornet1 wrote:

Wilkinson wrote: Well more fool them, what with yesterday's news that the BNP are going to change their constitution to allow non white members then this is not really a valid excuse for turning the donation down, although i suspect being from South Oxhey these people don't watch the news and have no idea what occured yesterday! So you don't wish to take money from a political party that you voted in as a councillor? yet i bet you have no qualms in taking your benefits and council houses from a government who started an illegal war in Iraq and Afghanistan? and who's MP's claim thousands in wrongful expenses every year? People from South Oxhey, of all places, have no right to get on their high horse about the BNP, i think this new found fame has gone to some of their heads. From where i'm standing Deidre Gates is working very hard, particularly seeing as though she is up against such rubbish on a daily basis. It may well be because of voter apathy she got in, but the point is she got in, and deserves to be given a chance to show what she can do. The neighbourhood watch group could see this, it's the choirs loss if they can't.

Jealousy! You obviously have no idea what the Choir is trying to acheive. Furthermore, I think that it is very harsh of you generalise the people of South Oxhey and the community Choir. The money actually came from the council and he only reason that they refused the funds was because the BNP counceller has been assigned the job of signing cheques. I voted for the BNP, not throgh choice, but as there was no other candidate to vote for - I did it more as an eye opener to the other candidates that they need to pull their socks up! I think that your comment is rather pig headed - maybe you should do yourself a favour and actually watch the choir perform - I am not personally in it but close friends and family are - they are a tribute to themselves and an attribute of South Oxhey!

I'm not looking to be critical of what the choir is looking to achieve or anything like that, i've seen bits of the programme. But i do think it's a bit hypocritical of them to be turning their noses up at the BNP, as i say lest we forget it was the people of south oxhey who voted Gates in. Maybe this new found fame had led to the usual pc nonsense from people in such positions i don't know.

More likely it's the usual stuff from this newspaper, when there's nothing else to talk about lets run an anti BNP story to provoke a reaction. Give the woman a chance is all i say.

Nightreader wrote:
Wilkinson - pull your head out of your ****, the fact that the choir listened to their conscience rather than their bank balance speaks volumes. The donation felt wrong for a number of reasons, and the BNP changing their constitution will not have any effect on these reasons. The choir is open to all from south oxhey and is doing great work to shake off some of the negativity associated with South Oxhey, something which the BNP noticed and wanted to be a part of. Well they may change their constitution but they will remain vile and ignorant..you cant polish a turd as they say.

I would suggest it was the choir that need to pull their heads out of their ***** as you so eloquently put it. Lest we forget the whole purpose of the programme was to portray people from a rough area doing good, the same rough area that elected a BNP councillor, its too late now to try and get all pc about it, to make themselves look good and more marketable to their friends at the BPC!

Again i'm not slating the choir for what they are doing and achieving, but it seems there is the usual agenda in the media to demonise the BNP, when really the likes of Ms Gates are simply trying to get on and do the job they've been elected to do. If you get in you get in, so deal with it and get down the polling station next time if you don't agree with them, but spare us the hypocritical pc spiel please.

The BNP were voted in by our very fair democratic voting system, and they are now also to appear on BBC question time, and about time too, they answer for a lot of us, the silent majority, it s just a shame some cannot seem to accept that.

The BNP were voted in by some of the people in south oxhey, not all. All the choir can do is represent the views of its members, if that contradicts the view of other members of the south oxhey community so be it.

I think s/o hornet1 hits the nail on the head when he points out its the councils money not the BNP's on offer. This headline has been intended to deliberately mislead, shame on you Skinner, it's a shame your not on the question time panel next week so Sir Nick could intellectually destroy you.

Perhaps the choir needed to be informed it was the councils money not the BNP's, or is a a retired legal secretary signing a cheque such a dreadful thought for them? Have a pop at the BNP as much as you like, but they have a much bigger support than the controlled media would let you believe, and they are becoming mainstream, hopefully to the deteriment of backstreet journalism such as this.

Nightreader wrote:
The BNP were voted in by some of the people in south oxhey, not all. All the choir can do is represent the views of its members, if that contradicts the view of other members of the south oxhey community so be it.

Yes but it was still a majority no matter what the circumstances, thats like saying that "some" people voted (zanu)labour in the last general election, true but factually incorrect, just deal with it, you have a BNP councillor and let her do her job.

Can I just say that I find some of these comments rather distressing. I am in the choir, and voted BNP. The only reason I did was because i was not confident in the other candidates and how they would deal with the Immigration problem that this country has. But I must say that I agree with the decision of the choirs committee as the circumstances and forward thoughts for us accepting the money were not right for the future of the choir. The decision to turn the money down was made before the BNP announcement to revamp their constitution and membership policy and had this been agreed and announced before hand, may have made a difference to the decision of the choir. Im not saying it would have done but it may have

What people must remember is that South Oxhey has a population of 12,000 and a mere 200 members of the choir cannot be responsible for voting in the BNP. Yes we are a cross-section of the community and a vast collection of people from all different races and background, religions and political views, but just as Mrs Gates was Democratically voted in, the choir democratically chose not to accept the donation.

The choir and its members individually do not see ouselves as being on a high horese. Yes we are all very proud of what we have achieved and what it has done for the area and we have every right to be, but it does not mean that we think ourselves better that the average South Oxhey resident as you seem to portray as that is what we still all are and are proud to be so.

So how did the choir democratically come to this decision, was there a ballot of its 200 members? if so how did you vote given that you had voted for Deidre Gates in the election, did you vote to accept or decline the money?
Was the decision made by the choirs committee based on these results, or as i suspect a decision taken by a few people on behalf of the many?

You Wilkinson seem to be very against the desicion and allowing your sheer judgmental attitude to come between an open mind as to why this desicion was made.
It is going to dent the reputation of Mrs gates as a councillor or infact the reputaion of the BNP because the South Oxhey Choir chose not to accept.

These comments on this page are my own opinion and not that of the south oxhey choir and my opinion is that I would not want the choir to be associated with some of the policies that the BNP have and I certainly believe that the party would have tried to associate themselves with the choir as a result of this donation had it been accepted

choirmember wrote:
You Wilkinson seem to be very against the desicion and allowing your sheer judgmental attitude to come between an open mind as to why this desicion was made. It is going to dent the reputation of Mrs gates as a councillor or infact the reputaion of the BNP because the South Oxhey Choir chose not to accept. These comments on this page are my own opinion and not that of the south oxhey choir and my opinion is that I would not want the choir to be associated with some of the policies that the BNP have and I certainly believe that the party would have tried to associate themselves with the choir as a result of this donation had it been accepted

Correction:
I mentioned above "It is going to dent the reputation" when infact i meant to ask "Is it going to?"
This was a typo!

choirmember wrote:
You Wilkinson seem to be very against the desicion and allowing your sheer judgmental attitude to come between an open mind as to why this desicion was made. It is going to dent the reputation of Mrs gates as a councillor or infact the reputaion of the BNP because the South Oxhey Choir chose not to accept. These comments on this page are my own opinion and not that of the south oxhey choir and my opinion is that I would not want the choir to be associated with some of the policies that the BNP have and I certainly believe that the party would have tried to associate themselves with the choir as a result of this donation had it been accepted

Correction:
I mentioned above "It is going to dent the reputation" when infact i meant to ask "Is it going to?"
This was a typo!

South Oxhey COMMUNITY Choir.The very same community that elected the friggin BNP in the first place.Its a bit late to jump on the moral highground.
I take it that the 77 councillors dont pay the £10,000 out of their own pocket,so i assume my council tax is paying for the £770,000 to go to charity.No wonder our tax is SO high...

choirmember wrote:

choirmember wrote: You Wilkinson seem to be very against the desicion and allowing your sheer judgmental attitude to come between an open mind as to why this desicion was made. It is going to dent the reputation of Mrs gates as a councillor or infact the reputaion of the BNP because the South Oxhey Choir chose not to accept. These comments on this page are my own opinion and not that of the south oxhey choir and my opinion is that I would not want the choir to be associated with some of the policies that the BNP have and I certainly believe that the party would have tried to associate themselves with the choir as a result of this donation had it been accepted

Correction: I mentioned above "It is going to dent the reputation" when infact i meant to ask "Is it going to?" This was a typo!

So i will take that as a no, there wasn't any democratic process for coming to this decision within the group, most likely it was taken by an individual, probably the aforementioned Russ Clancy, most probably upon the advice of someone outside of the group. So on that score your are lying.

It is very hard to keep an open mind as to why this decision was made on this basis. To me it is clearly made on the basis of personal gain, You said yourself it was based on the "future" for the choir would that be future concert bookings, the chance to appear on the BBC again???? But 5 months ago you, thought the future for South Oxhey was the BNP? Which is it to be?

I find your hypocrisy very hard to take. On the one hand you say you voted for the BNP in the last election, yet you made no attempt to stand by this judgement. It's very clear that the leaders of the group have seen the chance to get some good pr by not associating with the big bad wolf that is the BNP, forgetting the very reason the BBC targetted the area for filming the programme was due to in part it's association with things like the BNP.

In answer to your question, yes of course it's going to have an impact on Ms Gates trying to do her job, only to be undermined at every turn, and for what? so you lot can prolong your 5 minutes of fame? Ms Gates has been elected to do a job, the neighbourhood watch could see that, but i suppose they haven't been in front of the cameras and seen the potential pound signs of reality tv.

If you had come on here and said you had argued for the donation on the basis of your vote back in May, but the leaders of your group had still declined, i would have had great respect for you, but you have shown yourself to be a hypocrite who is simply using the current media lies about the BNP in order to try and justify your hypocritical actions.

Fancy voting BNP, just because there wasn't any other candidates to vote for????

TOSH.

If that's what you thought then you shouldn't have voted if you don't support the BNP.

IDIOTS.

They rejected it as they knew that if they accepted it would give them even more of a negative rep. I suggest they live up this short fame as they can because most displayed in the original series are acting like celebrites but very soon it will be The Choir? What the hell is that??

Interesting to not that almost half the comments below this news story are from one senile old racist.

Fair play to the people for turning down that money - demonstartes that the BNP can't buy credibility. Remember when Stuart Pearce distanced himself from the BNP recently. Come to think of it, I can't think of anyone who wants to be associated with them...

"Big Willy" - Yes, we get it. You have a pathalogical hatred of muslims. I don't like Luton fans, but you know what, I don't think about it the whole time. You need to get a hobby!

"Hempstead" - The silent majority don't support the BNP. If they did then they would be in government and running things. In reality, the BNP don't even run a parish council...

By the way Wilkinson, unless you have been in a coma for the last month, you should have noticed that the BNP got thrashed in the recent South Oxhey cllr election. The only reason they got elected in the first place was cos the tunout was tiny. Now people have seen how inept the BNP are when they get elected, they have seen the light and gone back to voting for non racist partys.

Goodbye BNP. You will not be missed!

hempstead wrote:
The BNP were voted in by our very fair democratic voting system, and they are now also to appear on BBC question time, and about time too, they answer for a lot of us, the silent majority, it s just a shame some cannot seem to accept that.

Very fair voting system. You must be joking. More people didn't vote for them and that's a fact. How can that be fair?

I fully agree with Callowland Chris, what a great set of balanced views ! these are the sort of people that make Britain great. Wilkinson is just sad, I suspect he visits massage parlours, hangs around kids playgrounds and sits every evening spouting bile...I actually feel sorry for the man....I understand why he would hide behind a false name...the BNP are just knuckle dragging hate mongers, how can the country be run by Nick Griffin, the same t*at who took out his own eye by trying to burn a shotgun cartridge in France...i mean, thats stupid isnt it !!
Wilko, I am happy to buy you a years subscription to the Adult Channel to focus that pent up energy elsewhere...I cant do a lot for your mental health issues though.

Interesting that the self confessed bnp voters in this post are actually almost apologising for doing so. Enjoy your 15 minutes of fame Diedre whotsyername.

Whats priceless is that half the choir admit to voting the BNP in but are so quick to point out that they are not racist.A few hours in a documentery and theyre worring about their image,so funny.
I agree 100% with you Wilkinson(no mean feat),if the choir had voted on receiving the dosh,fair play but im pretty sure it was a couple of individuals deciding for the masses.You put the BNPs crimes next to New Labours and they look like naughty schoolboys.What with illegal wars,torturing detainees,fiddleing expences(out and out theft in my book),not to mention Cherie Blair setting up Europes biggest human rights legal practice just before her old man ratifies the Human Rights Act.I see the choir being offered money from the BNP as no different to taking family tax credits or being subsidised by this government in any way.

Wilkinson wrote:

Nightreader wrote: The BNP were voted in by some of the people in south oxhey, not all. All the choir can do is represent the views of its members, if that contradicts the view of other members of the south oxhey community so be it.

Yes but it was still a majority no matter what the circumstances, thats like saying that "some" people voted (zanu)labour in the last general election, true but factually incorrect, just deal with it, you have a BNP councillor and let her do her job.

No, it was NOT a majority. The BNP councillor received 29% of the vote - or to put it another way, fewer than 10% of the adult population of South Oxhey.

The overwhelming majority of the residents of South Oxhey are fair-minded people, who do not support the racist and divisive policies of the BNP.

Well done the choir!
Whatever the mechanics of where the money actually came from, of course the BNP would cash in on the publicity.
The Choir is famous nationally. I can just hear Nick Griffin gloating on Question Time next week about how they handed over money to this prestigious organisation which has a multicultural membership.
Choir you have done yourselves proud yet again.
I salute you.

The choir members were all asked for their views, the committee then made a decision based on the views that had been submitted to them.

They got the most votes,which is a majority,savvy.Nowt wrong with my mathematics love but i bet if it was labour winning in Oxhey or whatever party your a slave to,then it would be a majority.1 in 3 voters voted BNP and the rest was split among the others,that would be about 60 or seventy of the choir supporting BNP.Double standards if the title of COMMUNITY CHOIR is to be believed.Why not ask the choir to VOTE rather than asking their opinion?maybe because that might have produced a different outcome......which would be oh so embarressing..

CallowlandChris wrote:
Interesting to not that almost half the comments below this news story are from one senile old racist. Fair play to the people for turning down that money - demonstartes that the BNP can't buy credibility. Remember when Stuart Pearce distanced himself from the BNP recently. Come to think of it, I can't think of anyone who wants to be associated with them... "Big Willy" - Yes, we get it. You have a pathalogical hatred of muslims. I don't like Luton fans, but you know what, I don't think about it the whole time. You need to get a hobby! "Hempstead" - The silent majority don't support the BNP. If they did then they would be in government and running things. In reality, the BNP don't even run a parish council... By the way Wilkinson, unless you have been in a coma for the last month, you should have noticed that the BNP got thrashed in the recent South Oxhey cllr election. The only reason they got elected in the first place was cos the tunout was tiny. Now people have seen how inept the BNP are when they get elected, they have seen the light and gone back to voting for non racist partys. Goodbye BNP. You will not be missed!

I n't know why your being personal but just fyi.


a) Im in my twenties, so hardly old, what do you think all young people have been brainwashed by the pc far left biased media? or are not able to speak up when they see hypocrisy?

b) i haven't said anything about race, race is not the issue being discussed, but as usual when you can't win an arguement intellectually or someone has a different take on your far left, liberalist view of the world, you resort to brandishing the r word very childish.

c) no i haven't been in a coma, i'm fully aware of Labour's recent victory in s/o, i'm also fully aware of their smear campaign against the BNP during that election by their criminal communist street warriors the UAF. I am also aware your beloved Lib Dems came nowhere in the election.

d) I would say optimistic rather than senile to be debating any such issues with you and expecting an intelligent response and not one born out of your usual name calling and far left drivel, nobody else on this thread decided to get personal, we were having a constructive debate on the issue until you waded in with unnecessary, immature comments. Please kindly leave this discussion to the adults of this forum. Get back to the playground.

Traveller Tom McD wrote:
I fully agree with Callowland Chris, what a great set of balanced views ! these are the sort of people that make Britain great. Wilkinson is just sad, I suspect he visits massage parlours, hangs around kids playgrounds and sits every evening spouting bile...I actually feel sorry for the man....I understand why he would hide behind a false name...the BNP are just knuckle dragging hate mongers, how can the country be run by Nick Griffin, the same t*at who took out his own eye by trying to burn a shotgun cartridge in France...i mean, thats stupid isnt it !! Wilko, I am happy to buy you a years subscription to the Adult Channel to focus that pent up energy elsewhere...I cant do a lot for your mental health issues though.

Another moron who likes to come on here with immature and silly behaviour as he is not articulate enough to join a serious debate.

You are either for or against the choir turning down the donation? if you disagree with me being against it, for the legitimate reasons i have laid out, then please outline a serious counter arguement but stick to what is being talked about and not some petty tirade against me, which only ends up with you looking stupid. Thanks.

Sara wrote:

Wilkinson wrote:

Nightreader wrote: The BNP were voted in by some of the people in south oxhey, not all. All the choir can do is represent the views of its members, if that contradicts the view of other members of the south oxhey community so be it.

Yes but it was still a majority no matter what the circumstances, thats like saying that "some" people voted (zanu)labour in the last general election, true but factually incorrect, just deal with it, you have a BNP councillor and let her do her job.

No, it was NOT a majority. The BNP councillor received 29% of the vote - or to put it another way, fewer than 10% of the adult population of South Oxhey. The overwhelming majority of the residents of South Oxhey are fair-minded people, who do not support the racist and divisive policies of the BNP.

You seem to be very confused as to what an electoral majority is. Of the people that voted in the election ( i believe the turnout was under 30% of the population of s/o) 29% voted for the BNP, which was the highest percentage of any party, thus Deidre Gates was elected.

Now obviously this is not the same as saying 29% of the whole of the population of South Oxhey, but if the turnout was very low then that constituency only has themselves to blame, and it is far to late to start becoming hypocritical when the elected councillor is trying to simply do her job and distribute grants. My point is the neighbour hood watch scheme were fine about it, but the choir weren't, i see no other explanation other than due to image and personal gain for their project.

Do you folllow correctly now?

Nightreader wrote:
The choir members were all asked for their views, the committee then made a decision based on the views that had been submitted to them.

Took you nearly 24 hours to come up with that response, you can see why people would be sceptical.

The comments were 'it was still a majority' and 'the majority of the VOTERS that voted BNP' makes it clear that the commenters meant 'more people voted BNP than anyone else.


If you'd like to change your comments now you've been proved factually incorrect, that's fine, but do not try to make out that I do not understand what I am talking about.

In summary, i believe that if we are to have a true democracy in this country, and a proper democratic process, then we cannot have these double standards after someone, or some party, has been elected to office. This is not Zimbabwe, we British are supposed to pride ourselves on fairness and our fair political system, just because the result of a particular election does not suit the far left bias of the far left controlled media, that does not mean that the political process can be interferred with.

In this case i see Ms Gates did nothing wrong, and was only attempting to do the job she had been elected to do. The choir have simply jumped on the current pc bandwagon off slagging off the BNP as they want to be seen in a favourbale light for future prosperity of their group. The neighbourhood watch scheme, in my opinion a much more productive group for the local community, had no problem whatsover in receiving the money. What a shame that fame can drive people to change their opinions so drastically, the hypocrisy of some is nauseating.

Wilkinson wrote:

Nightreader wrote: The choir members were all asked for their views, the committee then made a decision based on the views that had been submitted to them.

Took you nearly 24 hours to come up with that response, you can see why people would be sceptical.

As I am not a choir member, I had to ask someone that was, hence I couldnt post this straight away.

RSIAP wrote:
South Oxhey COMMUNITY Choir.The very same community that elected the friggin BNP in the first place.Its a bit late to jump on the moral highground. I take it that the 77 councillors dont pay the £10,000 out of their own pocket,so i assume my council tax is paying for the £770,000 to go to charity.No wonder our tax is SO high...

Wilkinson you do you talk some absolute rubbish! I'm sure Ms Gates will find someone else that will accept the money so i cant see the Choir turning it down being any skin off her nose!
RSIAP, your from the Merdian, not exactly an area with a wonderful reputation, some would say worse than South Oxhey, but hey you must be one of the many few that pay tax in that area so i suppose well done for that.
What really gets me Wilkinson is you seem to be getting really worked up about this? Do you have much of a life? You dont live in the area, its not you trying to give the donation so what is your problem exactly? Has this effected your life directly enough to warrant the abuse? NO!

"The Choir committee approached Cllr Gates regarding a grant of £1,000 in support of the choir, which she approved. It is disingenuous to suppose they did not know she was elected as BNP Councillor for South Oxhey at the time of that application. Then, in what appears to be a political smear gesture, they emailed their rejection of the funds they had applied for because of Cllr Gates' BNP affiliation, and advised the media of their action.

The Choir is being used for political purposes by its management. In the recent Hayling Ward election, the Labour candidate associated himself closely with the Choir in his campaign literature. Further the Vicar Pam Wise of Ascend, the group acting in support of the Choir, permitted anti BNP smear leaflets within the precinct of the polling booth in her church in the May 2008 election, resulting in her receiving a Police caution.

Three Rivers District Council made a sizeable grant towards the Choir and all District Councillors were invited to attend the big screen concert in South Oxhey precinct, with the exception of BNP Cllr Seamus Dunne of Ashridge Ward. Of course, in accordance with the choir committee's policy of community incoherence and exclusion, Cllr Gates was also not invited."

The laughable part about this whole story is that most of the 'Choir' are too illiterate to read The Daily Mail!

Keep up the good work, Councillor Gates and don't let the Ba$tard$ grind you down!

B W - I can't see why the relative ability of the populace of South Oxhey to read the Daily Mail is remotely 'laughable'. I'd say the funniest part of the story is that Cllr Gates was humiliated. I always wondered who found Jim Davidson funny - with your 'excruciating' posts I can now see...

'Three rivers' - as you say, you can't have an inclusive community group that associates with a fascist party that bans black people.

'Wilkinson' - I'm really struggling to read you semi-literate rambling; e.g.:
" I n't know why your being personal ". There are some adult education courses you can go on to help with key skills like English.

Point a)i) Really worrying that you are in your 20s - I assumed your ramblings were the product of someone suffering senile dementia. That they are not is rather scary.

ii) The media in this country is not biased to the left. Have you never looked at a newspaper. The only left wing papers are the Guardian, Mirror and the Morning Star. In comparison the list of right wing papers is much longer: Daily Mail, Daily Express, Daily Telegraph, Sun, Star, Times and the News of the World.
If anything, this country has a right wing bias in its media.

iii) Your very welcome to speak up when you see hypocrisy but this story does not demonstrate such a concept. Just because some of the South Oxhey choir voted for the BNP, it doesn't mean that the choir has to collaborate with their elected representative. You seem to be under the delusion that we are living in a dictatorship, which ironically enough is historically what the BNP has always supported.

b) I agree that you haven't said anything about race. However, given that you are defending an inherently racist political party - then the exact phraseology you are using is something of a moot point.

c)i) You claim that Labour ran a smear campaign, which sadly is not backed up by evidence. If the Labour candidate went around saying what the BNP stand for then it is not a smear campaign - he was just telling the truth!
Ironically, in a paragraph where you whine about smear campaigns, you then state that the UAF are communists - which is smearing at its very finest!

ii) I am not a Lib Dem supporter. I'm a floating voter, however, I have no intention of floating anywhere near the dog turd of gutter politics that is the BNP.

d) I think you'll find I'm not the only one on this message board that criticises your nutty rantings. The suggestion that I go back to the playground is unfortunate given your inability to write English coherently. May I suggest that perhaps it is you who needs to head back to school!

The BNP candidate was democratically chosen to represent South Oxhey, so the Choir is insulting all South Oxhey residents by not accepting this money.

I for one hope the Choir goes bust!!

Don't actually need it, do we??

Funny thing this Democracy,
783 voted for the BNP in the County Election.
1873 voted for the other party's. The nearest party was only 27 votes behind so this system of Democracy obviously needs rethinking.
The choir are only making sure that the BNP do not use them in their literature for political motives. Keep politics out of the choir.

Politics should undoubtedly be kept far away from the choir, unfortunately the committee in charge of the decision making has been politically motivated even before the choir was formed, let us never forget they approached cllr Gates, not as been reported incorrectly on the bbc news this evening that cllr Gates offer was refused by the Choir committee, unfortunately the politically motivated south oxhey choir committee with there bbc allies are determined to use the south oxhey Choir as a political bovver boot to kick the bnp.
South Oxhey has been ignored for so long, but as soon as it seems south oxhey could vote for a nationalist party that believes in putting indiginous people first, the liberal elite panick and in this case it is the labour run committee, they come running to show how much they care about south oxhey, forming a choir that must be seen to be multi racial even though 98% to 99% of south oxhey is not multi racial.
It is so sad for the people in the choir that have worked so hard, to now find they are being used for political gain by there local labour party and there allies the bbc. The Labour run committee keep claiming that the BNP would politicise the choir if they would have accepted the money, the only people that have politicised the choir are the committee and the bbc showing the last episode of the series the night before the hayling ward local election and the labour candidate that associated himself closely with the choir in his campaign literature in that very same hayling ward election. Deidre gates refused to talk to the bbc today, the voice you heard on the bbc was the interview she gave to the Watford observer, because she knows the bbc like the south oxhey committee are the real people politicising the choir.

TR man, you must be sad if you think ''the BBC showing the last episode of the Choir series the night before the Hayling ward local election'' was contrived. TV schedules are sorted many months before, so it was pure coincidence. Who could have possibly imagined Kerron Cross would retire. You are just a BNP supporter trying to make something out of nothing.
''D G refused to talk to the bbc today, --- because she knows the BBC like the South Oxhey committee are the real people politicising the choir''.
The same BBC who are now giving Griffin a seat on Q time.
You cant have it both ways

watching brief, then the lib/lab run council knew when the bbc series last episode was and chose to have the election the day after, as i said this is no coincidence, the lib/lab council have politicised the choir in collaberation with the choir committee. The bbc hate the bnp with every bone in there body, they have refused the bnp time after time after time a seat on question time, it's got to the stage that this biased organisation that takes money from us every year if we don't want to watch or agree with there one sidsed views has had no choice, because of the recent success in the euro elections.

callowland chris, the bnp did ban black people from membership, just like the black police offficers association and the asian police officers association, how is it people like you allways use the racist card when indiginous people want to assert there destiny, although the dont want people of colour in the party, people like deidre would still treat people of colour equally if they come to her with problems. Let me explain, it doesn't make you a fascist, because you believe in the nation state of indiginous people. The real Fascists are people that force multiculturalism on indiginous nation states without a mandate from the people to do so.

TRM How far back is indigenous? I have ancestors that go back pre 1066, yet I have no problem with people whose ancestors arrived later. Why the devil should I. Only if I was a racist like yourself would I be bothered.
If you knew anything about how local elections are set up you would not make statements like ''and chose to have the election the day after'' Its the Council officers who make the date, not the elected Councillors and it has to be done within a time frame.
How is Three Rivers run by the Lib Labs? Libs 32 Cons 12 Lab 4. oh and BNP 1.
Can I just explain the difference between 'Their' and 'There', 'Their' is to do with a person, 'There' is in or at a place. Pity you didn't take more time learning ENGLISH, instead of spouting how ethnically indigenous you are. Its bad spelling that helps to water down our culture you know....

CallowlandChris wrote:
B W - I can't see why the relative ability of the populace of South Oxhey to read the Daily Mail is remotely 'laughable'. I'd say the funniest part of the story is that Cllr Gates was humiliated. I always wondered who found Jim Davidson funny - with your 'excruciating' posts I can now see... 'Three rivers' - as you say, you can't have an inclusive community group that associates with a fascist party that bans black people. 'Wilkinson' - I'm really struggling to read you semi-literate rambling; e.g.: " I n't know why your being personal ". There are some adult education courses you can go on to help with key skills like English. Point a)i) Really worrying that you are in your 20s - I assumed your ramblings were the product of someone suffering senile dementia. That they are not is rather scary. ii) The media in this country is not biased to the left. Have you never looked at a newspaper. The only left wing papers are the Guardian, Mirror and the Morning Star. In comparison the list of right wing papers is much longer: Daily Mail, Daily Express, Daily Telegraph, Sun, Star, Times and the News of the World. If anything, this country has a right wing bias in its media. iii) Your very welcome to speak up when you see hypocrisy but this story does not demonstrate such a concept. Just because some of the South Oxhey choir voted for the BNP, it doesn't mean that the choir has to collaborate with their elected representative. You seem to be under the delusion that we are living in a dictatorship, which ironically enough is historically what the BNP has always supported. b) I agree that you haven't said anything about race. However, given that you are defending an inherently racist political party - then the exact phraseology you are using is something of a moot point. c)i) You claim that Labour ran a smear campaign, which sadly is not backed up by evidence. If the Labour candidate went around saying what the BNP stand for then it is not a smear campaign - he was just telling the truth! Ironically, in a paragraph where you whine about smear campaigns, you then state that the UAF are communists - which is smearing at its very finest! ii) I am not a Lib Dem supporter. I'm a floating voter, however, I have no intention of floating anywhere near the dog turd of gutter politics that is the BNP. d) I think you'll find I'm not the only one on this message board that criticises your nutty rantings. The suggestion that I go back to the playground is unfortunate given your inability to write English coherently. May I suggest that perhaps it is you who needs to head back to school!

You choose to pick on a typo, a genuine mistake, i think that sums you up.


Facism is when people try and impose their views on other people, exactly what the benefit collecting uaf hooligans are currently trying to do outside television centre as we speak, through violence and intimidation.

Chris you are one of lifes drifters, you seem unable to get passionate about anything other than towing the pc line, i feel sorry for you.


Roll on 10.35pm.

michelle4171 wrote:

RSIAP wrote: South Oxhey COMMUNITY Choir.The very same community that elected the friggin BNP in the first place.Its a bit late to jump on the moral highground. I take it that the 77 councillors dont pay the £10,000 out of their own pocket,so i assume my council tax is paying for the £770,000 to go to charity.No wonder our tax is SO high...

Wilkinson you do you talk some absolute rubbish! I'm sure Ms Gates will find someone else that will accept the money so i cant see the Choir turning it down being any skin off her nose! RSIAP, your from the Merdian, not exactly an area with a wonderful reputation, some would say worse than South Oxhey, but hey you must be one of the many few that pay tax in that area so i suppose well done for that. What really gets me Wilkinson is you seem to be getting really worked up about this? Do you have much of a life? You dont live in the area, its not you trying to give the donation so what is your problem exactly? Has this effected your life directly enough to warrant the abuse? NO!

Michelle the money came from Herts County Council, not the BNP, given that i live in Hertfordshire i have a vested interest in this, so that arguement about me not being from s/o why should i care is nonsense.

If the choir had turned down the money saying they wanted to raise it on their own then fine, but they made a massive song and dance about turning down the BNP, even though they had asked Deidre Gates, and even though it wasnt even BNP money.

All for publicity i'm afraid, the anti BNP agenda in the media this week has been relentless and the choir were looking to tap into this.

Watching Brief wrote:
TRM How far back is indigenous? I have ancestors that go back pre 1066, yet I have no problem with people whose ancestors arrived later. Why the devil should I. Only if I was a racist like yourself would I be bothered. If you knew anything about how local elections are set up you would not make statements like ''and chose to have the election the day after'' Its the Council officers who make the date, not the elected Councillors and it has to be done within a time frame. How is Three Rivers run by the Lib Labs? Libs 32 Cons 12 Lab 4. oh and BNP 1. Can I just explain the difference between 'Their' and 'There', 'Their' is to do with a person, 'There' is in or at a place. Pity you didn't take more time learning ENGLISH, instead of spouting how ethnically indigenous you are. Its bad spelling that helps to water down our culture you know....

Its very easy to be pc when you live in a chorleywood mansion, perhaps you should live in Southall or Brixton for a year and see if you have the same views then? I doubt you will. Money talks as they say.

Wilkinson .. Chorleywood does not mean loaded to everyone. I live in an ex council house. I was a lawyer working with poorer people who couldn't afford the expensive ones, so living in Southall or Brixton wouldn't bother me a bit. If you help people no matter what colour, they are usually grateful. So once again you show your ignorance of real life.

Watching Brief wrote:
Wilkinson .. Chorleywood does not mean loaded to everyone. I live in an ex council house. I was a lawyer working with poorer people who couldn't afford the expensive ones, so living in Southall or Brixton wouldn't bother me a bit. If you help people no matter what colour, they are usually grateful. So once again you show your ignorance of real life.

Yes but the point i'm trying to make is, you are not affected on a day to day basis by the downside of multiculturalism and the shameful way the government lets anyone in. Chorleywood is nearly completely white and middle class, if you lived somewhere like Dagenham you would have sampled first hand how council and tax payers money are spent on people like asylum seekers before the indigenous British population. i.e. given council houses. These people actually witness people from other countries taking from a system they have never put in to, you dont!

Your not in a position to comment on such matters, Chorleywood has not changed much at all over the years but Watford has, and by and large that is due to 3rd world immigration.

"Three Rivers" - The black police officers association and the asian police officers association will accept anyone who is a police officer - unlike the BNP they don't have a restrictive membership policy. They are not political partys anyway, they are pressure groups.

Poor 'Wilkinson' - unable to make a valid argument to any of my points you have just given up.

Thank God only 2% of the British population vote for the fascist BNP. They don't run anything and never will. Good byeeeeeeeeee

watching brief, it doesn't matter whether you agree to the unprecedented immigration into our country or not, because every government since 1948 has never asked the people specifically to vote on this unprecedented change to the make up of our nation, that is the real point, to end this argument once and for all in a so-called democratic country is by letting the people decide.
This has never happened, this gives people that are against mass immigration or any immigration ammunition to argue against this unjust and wicked policy that has been going on now for 61 years. On question time last night you saw the make up of the audience, wood lane is just a stone throw from notting hill, one of the first places where west-indies immigrants came too in the late forty's and fifty's and sixty's, in 1958 the local population of working class londoners of notting hill rioted against this forced immmigration, those people do not exist anymore, they have all gone, they have been ethnically cleansed, not just in nottinghill, but all over london, they have been replaced by immigrants, millions and millions of them, there are white people in London, but more and more the majority are yuppie types, middle class, not working class cockney/londoners. The middle classes do not have to compete with immigrants for jobs, it's the working classes that have to compete with immigrants for council houses and being undercut in the job market's regarding wages.
The question time audience was made up entirely of immigrants and yuppie type middle class people that have moved into london, they do not start a family but are there to make a fast buck on the back of this latest boom in the property market in their banking jobs and media type jobs, as soon as these middle class yuppie types want to start a family, they sell up with a nice profit and move out to the sticks in a safer enviroment to bring their children up, rather than send them to the immigrant filled failing state schools of inner city london.
How naive of you to believe that the lib/lab council leaders did not use the fact that the hayling ward local election was voted on the day after the series about the south oxhey choir, it is a politicaly run choir, it was the labour candidate who included in his campaign literature how close he was associated with the choir. They made sure they was invited to all the important public events and they decided to keep cllr Seamus Dunne faraway at the same time. I genuinely feel sorry for the choir, but it must be said, labour has never done anything for south oxhey, when they seem to do something fantasticly positive like forming a choir, it seems only for political gain, the members of the choir committee have been found out including the vicar pam wise who had to be cautioned by the police for allowing her church that was being used as a polling station to have smear leaflets against the bnp to be shown there, these people are now tainted and should resign and allow the people of the choir to elect a committee that has no political allegiance, they are already losing touch with the community by refusing to sing for the newly formed south oxhey rugby exiles on there first game.

"RSIAP, your from the Merdian, not exactly an area with a wonderful reputation, some would say worse than South Oxhey, but hey you must be one of the many few that pay tax in that area so i suppose well done for that"
One thing...where the fcuk is the MERDIAN,i think an education is top of your agenda this chrimbo....no,but for your information its MERIDEN.

Still not one of BNP activists harping on in this column have answered my question about Indigenous peoples. How far back do you go? Pre 1066?
No one except probably the Welsh, are the real indigenous people. We are made up of a mix, Normans, Danes, Norwegians, French Huguenots, I could go on. Oh and even a few Jews in the 13th century.
Oh and even a few Irish. So I don't quite know where Seamus fits in.