'House with no snow' was cannabis factory (From Watford Observer)

>There was a very strong smell in the street. The plants were in every single room and they had large fans. It was quite a professional set-up. There were vents at the rear of the premises so the smell was coming round and drew everybody's attention to it.<

The only house in the street with no snow on the roof, windows covered in condensation. drawn blinds, somebody coming just once a week to water the plants and a strong smell emerging from vents that everybody noticed?

Oh - VERY professional! If the cannabis growers had wanted to draw attention to the place, they could hardly have done a better job! More a bunch of rank amateurs, I'd say. Still, the police will no doubt claim it as a piece of smart detective work.

Well done to the residents for spotting it, though. Let's hope that when the perpetrators are nabbed they not only get large fines and/or a long jail sentence, but have to pay a gigantic electricity bill as well. They should have grown tomatoes instead!

Plod don't seem to know much about the cost of skunk these days.....£100-150 per plant?
There's a couple of grand hanging up in the picture alone....

With an ounce costing over £200 nowadays and 'cheese' half as much again, I'm seriously thinking of giving it up in the new year!

Come on you dealers.... lower your prices.....and insulate your lofts and ceilings with Celotex boards....

well well well

i mustt say and impressive piece of detection on someones' behalf .... but i doesnt say much for the efficiciency of central governments energy saving operatives.

i thought the idea of having ones attic cavity lagged was to cut down the loss of heat upwards and away from ones property. i must say i dont believe that where this factory was found it represented the only unlagged property in that road

on the bigger picture ...surely we must look at this now as being part of the big society ...why not as a former cabinet minister in the previous government has very recently advocated publically ...legalise all drugs.

to me this would solve a number of the most pressing annoyances of 21st century living namely :

a) almost total reduction in number of crimes committed purely to fund such a way of life

b) decimating the number currently incarcerated at her majesty's pleasure
thereby saving the public purse considerably

c) by taxing each drug and operating government controlled dispensaries not only can the tax take be vastly improved but also you could introduce an efficient scheme aimed at those wishing to quit the taking of such drugs

d) the virtual destruction of local crime baron's fiefdoms

e) freeing up countless police manhours so that more serious / violent / society -threatening crimes couls not only be properly investigated but also successfully prosecuted

i am not unaware that by adopting a total free for all would have its teething problems ...but on balance the benefits must outweighed most adverse effects

still i must away now our local government's council tax inspector , mr dithers , is trying to have our wonderful cathedral redesignated another theatre of dreams and not our place of worship ... thereby incurring considerable expense in that we would lose our specialist religious status

keep the faith

If it was grown here in sunny watford it would have been **** cannabis. Never the less it would not have stopped it being peddled all over the streets of watford. Buy the greedy drug dealers who would sell it anyway with promises of apathy when you smoked it.

I only wish they caught the greedy bastards who set up the factory. And sent them to prison for 5 years or more.

Here is my message to the scum bags who grew the stuff in watford.

PLEASE LEAVE THE CANNABIS GROWING TO THE EXPERTS. I WOULD HATE TO THINK THAT THE CANNABIS I SMOKED WAS GROWN DOWN THE ROAD FROM WHERE I LIVE.

LOL

NO WONDER I CAN'T GET HIGH ANYMORE.


LOL

My Mum lives down this road and she hasn't lagged her loft I've told her to expect a raid within the next few days from the Energy Conservation Police!

@Bishop, Your Right Hon Rev, Can I pick you up on what you said:

a) almost total reduction in number of crimes committed purely to fund such a way of life

The users will still need to fund their debilitating habit - how else will they fund it? They can't keep a job because their minds are being rotted away. If it's given to them free, we'll have even more non-workers on the streets. If it's charged they still need to pay for it.

b) decimating the number currently incarcerated at her majesty's pleasure
thereby saving the public purse considerably

There would be less people in prison due to illegal drug taking. But they will still need to resort to crime to pay the 'dispensers' for their drugs, for which they will be incarcerated. Any not sent away will be at home/on the streets causing a risk to others whilst blasted. Which would you prefer?

c) by taxing each drug and operating government controlled dispensaries not only can the tax take be vastly improved but also you could introduce an efficient scheme aimed at those wishing to quit the taking of such drugs

Where would the govt buy the goods? It is grown in various parts of the world and a major nation accepting it's OK will encourage places like Morocco, Afghanistan etc to continue growing making it an even larger industry, increasing supply and reducing price. Great, then it will be cheaper to get addicted and ruin your own and other's lives!

d) the virtual destruction of local crime baron's fiefdoms

It might reduce it but there are other criminal avenues to continue with.

e) freeing up countless police manhours so that more serious / violent / society -threatening crimes couls not only be properly investigated but also successfully prosecuted.

Much of which are drug related anyway, so no gain there.

Just won't work.

usedtosmokeit wrote:
NO WONDER I CAN'T GET HIGH ANYMORE.


LOL

You obviously buy from chavs, mate!

john o'gravy wrote:
Plod don't seem to know much about the cost of skunk these days.....£100-150 per plant?
There's a couple of grand hanging up in the picture alone....

With an ounce costing over £200 nowadays and 'cheese' half as much again, I'm seriously thinking of giving it up in the new year!

Come on you dealers.... lower your prices.....and insulate your lofts and ceilings with Celotex boards....

You cant be that bad a sort if your a cheese connoisseur.Whack that in a volcano vapouriser and you will be ready for take off....white out...

Maclanx wrote:
@Bishop, Your Right Hon Rev, Can I pick you up on what you said:

a) almost total reduction in number of crimes committed purely to fund such a way of life

The users will still need to fund their debilitating habit - how else will they fund it? They can't keep a job because their minds are being rotted away. If it's given to them free, we'll have even more non-workers on the streets. If it's charged they still need to pay for it.

b) decimating the number currently incarcerated at her majesty's pleasure
thereby saving the public purse considerably

There would be less people in prison due to illegal drug taking. But they will still need to resort to crime to pay the 'dispensers' for their drugs, for which they will be incarcerated. Any not sent away will be at home/on the streets causing a risk to others whilst blasted. Which would you prefer?

c) by taxing each drug and operating government controlled dispensaries not only can the tax take be vastly improved but also you could introduce an efficient scheme aimed at those wishing to quit the taking of such drugs

Where would the govt buy the goods? It is grown in various parts of the world and a major nation accepting it's OK will encourage places like Morocco, Afghanistan etc to continue growing making it an even larger industry, increasing supply and reducing price. Great, then it will be cheaper to get addicted and ruin your own and other's lives!

d) the virtual destruction of local crime baron's fiefdoms

It might reduce it but there are other criminal avenues to continue with.

e) freeing up countless police manhours so that more serious / violent / society -threatening crimes couls not only be properly investigated but also successfully prosecuted.

Much of which are drug related anyway, so no gain there.

Just won't work.

well well well

some good points and at least you have also realised why "the Afghan adventure sorry war" is really being fought ....to get control of the major opium producing territory ....and by the iraq only to control it oil

keep the faith


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Even if drugs were legalised there would be a huge cost to society and the tax payer. The damage most drugs cause to peoples physical and mental health is enormous and that has a massive impact on their families and a massive cost to the NHS (and therefore all of us who pay for it). This is an argument that could be levelled and alcohol too but how many crimes are committed by those under the influence? Fine currently many as a way to pay for the drugs themselves (and as a previous poster stated even if legal the users would still have to fund it. How? Well probaby the same way as now through crime) but many not for making money crimes are also committed by those under the influence just because they are no longer in control and there have been a few stories in recent years of murders committed by people who have mental illnessess due to drug and alcohol mis use. Legalising drugs will not get rid of those types of issues and may possibly just make them worse. I think there is actually a bigger argument for not only not making illegal drugs legal but for actually making alcohol and tobbacco illegal. Its always seemed an anomily that those are allowed yet cause just as much if not more damage and strife probably than illegal drugs. What really annoys me about drug users however is they mostly either claim drug taking is either harmless or that it is only themselves it is harming. If only that were true but around the world tens of thousands of innocent people are killed by drugs gangs (30,000 in Mexico alone in the past 3 or so years) and millions live in fear. And there is so much evidence of the harm these drugs cause to individuals and their families and society as a whole. If you're going to do this stuff at least admit your usage is causing huge pain to millions around the world.

Legalising drugs would simply create even more addicts and, as Tony says, produce an even greater cost to society and the NHS. The problem, as I see it, is that some of those who argue that cannabis and/or cocaine are no more harmful than cigarettes and alcohol may well be able to control their drug-taking and allow it to go no further. However, inevitably there are those who are weak-willed and who will go on to become heroin addicts, which clearly does kill and also leads to crime.
Speaking as one who has never taken anything stronger than paracetamol, I have never understood the allure of drugs, though as a wine lover I confess I have probably consumed more than my fair share of red vino in my lifetime. Whoever it was said that "a day without wine is like a day without sunshine" was dead right! A good wine is one of life's pleasures, preferably best enjoyed late at night with Miles Davis or John Coltrane on the hi-fi. However, like everything else in life, the secret is to take it in MODERATION and to know when to stop. Surely that is the problem with drug addicts - they reach a point where they cannot stop and then they turn to crime to fund their addiction.
The excuse about becoming a criminal to fund a drug habit doesn't wash at all. Let's remember that no-one is forced to become a junkie! It's a question of CHOICE and a choice indulged in by weak-minded, immature people, frequently of fairly low intellect.
The solution to combating crime by those who claim they are forced to do it to fund a drug habit is to separate them from the source of their addiction by locking them up for as long as it takes to cure them, and if some die as a result, then, well, society will be safer and better off without them.

well well well

fair comments i take on board roy and tony however i would take issue on two

a) there are numberous crimes committed under the influence - namely murder ,attempted murder , manslaughter ,gbh assault ...all committed by dunk drivers they wont banning for lif a ten year minimum stretchh and their car or cars confiscated.

b) smoking was considered good for u in the late 1950s and earll 1960's ...we know reap the benefit of that wisdom look at least smoking was a long lingering death . if you are really that inadequate a person to next chemical crutches then tough survival of the fittest

still i mustt away our carpenter mt dithers seems to have got the wrong end of the stick when i asked him to make a dovettail joint ...hes plucked all the pigeons and is proceeding to roll theitr plummage into some sort of icing funnel

keep the faith

Anyone saying drugs should be legal as they are no more harmful than drinking and smoking has lost their own argument as drinking and smoking are massively harmful. Roy is right i'm sure about moderation but there are some things that are so addictive that for most as soon as you start its so difficult or impossible to stop and the best thing is never to start in the first place. It is so sad seeing people deteriorate due to addictions but sadder and worse still for all those who are also affected by their mis use be it the partner and children, the person they kill because they were drink driving, the person they burgled to pay for drugs, the person killed due to a gang war. Best thing is not to start in the first place, its just not clever

SolidBronze wrote:

john o'gravy wrote:
Plod don't seem to know much about the cost of skunk these days.....£100-150 per plant?
There's a couple of grand hanging up in the picture alone....

With an ounce costing over £200 nowadays and 'cheese' half as much again, I'm seriously thinking of giving it up in the new year!

Come on you dealers.... lower your prices.....and insulate your lofts and ceilings with Celotex boards....

You cant be that bad a sort if your a cheese connoisseur.Whack that in a volcano vapouriser and you will be ready for take off....white out...

Guess what I'm getting from the wife for Christmas?

Volcanoooooooooooooo
oooo!

Can't wait.... just wish I could find some more affordable greenery to christen it!

Honestly, Solidbronze,... the price of the stuff has gotten completely effing ridiculous!

You will save a fortune,trust me.A bit of advice,you can vapourise the pot at least 4 or 5 times and still get a hit,so dont do what i did and throw it away after 2 burns.After vapping it the once you can still smoke it but i suppose that defeats the object of getting it.The thing even helped me give up fags,all i did when i wanted a fag really bad was put half inch of a fag in the pot and vapped it and it was instant relief.I cant speak too highly of the thing,a revelation as it makes useless green effective.Just be careful of the number 9 setting.....white out...

SolidBronze wrote:
You will save a fortune,trust me.A bit of advice,you can vapourise the pot at least 4 or 5 times and still get a hit,so dont do what i did and throw it away after 2 burns.After vapping it the once you can still smoke it but i suppose that defeats the object of getting it.The thing even helped me give up fags,all i did when i wanted a fag really bad was put half inch of a fag in the pot and vapped it and it was instant relief.I cant speak too highly of the thing,a revelation as it makes useless green effective.Just be careful of the number 9 setting.....white out...

Is there any other setting?