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Councillors deny police claim that Watford is "out of control" at night

Politicians have played down fears that Watford town centre’s nightlife is getting out of control due to the number of licensed premises.

During a licensing committee meeting on Monday, councillors defended the town’s night time economy, saying they had to find a balance to keep residents safe while also supporting the pubs, bars and clubs during the recession.

Councillor Jan Brown, who chaired the meeting, said: “We are all aware that it is a very delicate balancing act in the town centre. The town and the people in it do want a good night out and the town needs the money the clubs and pubs bring in.”

Liberal Democrat councillor for the Park ward George Derbyshire added: “A lot of people work in the night time economy as well as the people who enjoy and take advantage of it.”

The debate comes after a month after a Watford police sergeant wrote to councillors in charge of licensing saying his officers were struggling to cope with town centre disorder.

Police Sergeant Conrad White said the number of late night alcohol and food licences operating in central Watford at night meant violence and anti-social behaviour were “inevitable” on busy nights.

He told councillors the situation was getting “out of control” and that it had reached the point where troublemakers knew they could fight without fear of arrest as there were not enough officers to take people into custody.

On a list of alcohol-related crimes in violent crimes in Eastern England, Watford was placed second highest in Hertfordshire below Stevenage.

Sergeant White said: “I am making this statement as I am concerned the situation in Watford is getting out of control.

“This is, in my opinion, because the licensing hours of both the licensed bars, clubs and food outlets, as well as the very limited resource the police have available to use at peak hours, are combining to make anti-social behaviour and drink-related violence inevitable given the current propensity of revellers to binge drink.”

Following the statement, police chiefs in Watford drafted more officers into the town centre for the busy Christmas period.

However Councillor Brown believes it is unfair to blame new licences for the increase in trouble, as most of the venues have had the same opening hours for years.

After the meeting, the Liberal Democrat politician commented: “These pubs and clubs do have these hours which were gained, for the most part, several years ago when the licensing act was new.”

Comments(11)

thomas.howard says...
2:49pm Wed 11 Jan 12

Get the police to start enforcing:


S141, Licensing Act 2003, Sale of alcohol to a person who is drunk

S142, Licensing Act 2003, Obtaining alcohol for a person who is drunk

See if we can finish bottom 3 next year...

garston tony says...
2:56pm Wed 11 Jan 12

Im sure it is a delicate balancing act, but surely it should err on the side of safety and decency not on the side of profit at the cost of mahem?

Peoples entertainment should not be at the cost of people being attacked out of the blue, drunken yobs staggering around or trouble makers walking around in the belief they can do what they like as the police are unable to cope.

Maybe licensing hours have not changed but I understand the offers being made to attract punters to establishments have which surely has contributed to the degeneration?

Im not saying close the area down but something needs to be done, the councils according to the article anyway just seem to be burying their heads in the ground chanting 'its all okay' over and over again.

garston tony says...
2:59pm Wed 11 Jan 12

Thomas, I think the point is that the police would like to enforce the laws but dont have enough resources to cope with the problem. Resources which were adequate not so long ago, meaning that there has been an increase in crime and anti social behaviour and leading to the worrying position where the police are admitting that trouble makers can get away with causing trouble and they know it

LSC says...
3:07pm Wed 11 Jan 12

garston tony wrote:
Thomas, I think the point is that the police would like to enforce the laws but dont have enough resources to cope with the problem. Resources which were adequate not so long ago, meaning that there has been an increase in crime and anti social behaviour and leading to the worrying position where the police are admitting that trouble makers can get away with causing trouble and they know it
Quite right Tony. This was something that came up during the riots when people watched the footage and asked why the police were just appearing to watch.
The fact emerged that every arrest would take two officers off the streets for some time; not a good situation when the trouble makers, like in Watford on a Saturday night, out-number the police by over 10 to 1.
Just 4 or 5 arrests would mean NO police on the streets whatsoever, which would be even worse, just.

thomas.howard says...
3:47pm Wed 11 Jan 12

My point is that as soon as people become drunk (which could be over the drink drive limit), early in the evening cart them off and ruin their evening. Dont let the situation escalate as it does where things kick off and the police end up fire fighting.

abbotshornet says...
4:23pm Wed 11 Jan 12

The government is effectively cutting police numbers, the police for health and safety reasons will not go in and arrest people unless they have heavy back-up, but I expect they would rather have all the potential problems contained in the same area rather than spread about.
Special promotions on cheap booze need to be curbed, and police numbers need to be increased to ease the problem.

Steve, Abbots Langley says...
10:07pm Wed 11 Jan 12

Clearly the Lib Dem and Tory police cuts are having an effect. That's the Lib Dems who promised 3,000 extra police before the election, but as soon as the votes were counted, broke their promise on this, VAT and student tuition fees - a hat-trick of lies.

LSC says...
10:57pm Wed 11 Jan 12

Steve, Abbots Langley wrote:
Clearly the Lib Dem and Tory police cuts are having an effect. That's the Lib Dems who promised 3,000 extra police before the election, but as soon as the votes were counted, broke their promise on this, VAT and student tuition fees - a hat-trick of lies.
I really don't understand this argument. The town centre has been under-policed under a Labour government for 12 years. Then the government change and everything is the new guy's fault?
Let me try to spell something out for those who still struggle.
The Lib-Dems promised 3,000 extra police, and all that other stuff. THEY DID NOT WIN THE ELECTION.
Most people quite clearly said they did not want extra police and low student fees because MOST PEOPLE VOTED AGAINST THE LIB-DEMS AND THEIR POLICIES!
So don't now complain you don't have Lib-Dem policies in place! If the majority wanted low student fees and more police, then they should have voted LD, they would be in majority and these policies would be in place and working or not on their own merits. But YOU (the people) voted for Tory policies which did not promise such things. And that's what you got.
I'm not a Lib-Dem, by the way, just a fan of logic.

LSC says...
11:22pm Wed 11 Jan 12

thomas.howard wrote:
My point is that as soon as people become drunk (which could be over the drink drive limit), early in the evening cart them off and ruin their evening. Dont let the situation escalate as it does where things kick off and the police end up fire fighting.
I think you are confusing drinkers with anti-social drunks Thomas. The drink drive limit for an average healthy male is about 2 pints. Two pints is enough to slow judgement when appraoching a roundabout at speed and seems about right to reduce accidents to me. My own rule is car or booze, but when I do booze with friends in my local I have a lot more than 2 pints over 3 or 4 hours, and a hell of a lot more 20 years ago.
And yet at no time did it occour to me to punch anyone, for 'fun' or any other reason. The problem, I'd suggest, is actually the culture, not the booze.
Go to any country pub and you will see at least one local who has sunk his weight in booze and will happily wobble off home. Go to any Town Centre and you will see 20 idiots wanting to fight the world after 5 pints of fizzy lager.
So i ask; is it the booze or the town centre that generates the problem?

garston tony says...
11:31am Fri 13 Jan 12

I dont think the police are complaining about cuts in resources, their point is that incidents are increasing. Thats were the gap is happening, trouble is rising resources are staying the same

garston tony says...
11:33am Fri 13 Jan 12

The council obviously are prioritising revenue from clubs above all else. I wonder however if what they earn covers the full costs involved. Im talking from street cleaners to police to the NHS to the cost to locals in vandalism etc

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