West Watford allotments considered as part of Health Campus development

Allotment holders in West Watford vented their anger after learning their plots may be lost in the Health Campus development.

Watford’s elected mayor, Dorothy Thornhill face heated questioning from residents at a meeting last night as the council agreed to look at letting developers use Farm Terrace allotments as part of the £1bn scheme.

Allotment holders were sent letters last week saying their plots were now to be considered as part of the scheme after originally being protected due to the worsening economic climate.

The Health Campus project promises to redevelop the land around Watford General Hospital, with a new hospital as well as new homes and leisure facilities.

The move comes as Watford Borough Council is in crunch negotiations with two developers over which of them will get the final contract.

At a meeting of the council’s Liberal Democrat cabinet last night, which was well attended by allotment holders, councillors and the mayor voted to look at options including using all the Farm Terrace land, half or none of it.

Before the vote the mayor addressed the allotment holders, saying nothing had been decided over the Farm Terrace land and they would be fully consulted over any changes.

Dorothy Thornhill said: "At the moment as it is at a very early stage which may take years. I have done you the courtesy of telling you that things have changed from what you understand."

When pressed on why the allotments were now being considered for development, the mayor said she did not know the exact specifics.

However she told allotment holders her understanding was that the Farm Terrace land could be crucial to the whole Health Campus being a viable prospect for developers.

"My understanding is that it is in order to make the whole package stand up," said Mayor Thornhill.

"They are (the developers) taking a massive risk. I know we like to paint the developers as the bad guys."

In a report to the cabinet on the progress on the Health Campus officers said the tough economic climate had not helped the project by two tranches of funding totalling £13m had boosted the project.

Yet councillors were told the inclusion of the allotment site could be crucial for the viability of the scheme.

The report said: "Without the inclusion of some of the allotment site, delivery would be very much more difficult and the end result far less advantageous from the perspective of providing a new quarter for this area of West Watford.

"Viability would be impacted. As members are aware there are also pressures to provide other community assets such as a primary school.

"Utilising a significant portion of the allotments will greatly assist to develop a viable and better masterplan."

Following the meeting Watford Borough Council shed more light on why the allotments may need to be used in the Health Campus.

Among the reasons developers have given for why they may need the land are in case the hospital needs to be expanded beyond what it is currently planned.

Developers are also facing a more than £30m costs to clear the site of waste, build a bridge over the railway, level the land for building and put in flood prevention measures.

Therefore the companies vying for the Health Campus contract have said they may need the extra land to offset the mounting costs of the project.

The allotment land has also been mooted as a site for a new primary school.

Comments(15)

TRT says...
10:55am Tue 19 Jun 12

And who didn't see this one coming? They'd numbered it on the plans already, so it's obvious they've had their eye on the area.
*sarcasm on* Of course, growing your own fresh food, getting fresh air and exercise is nothing to do with an integrated health policy. *sarcasm off*

Despicable turn of affairs that a project so long in the planning suddenly gets the viability heebie-jeebies. Just like Croxly Rail Link and the Met closure... and I bet this will happen with Morrisson's too and the playing fields at the back - they need a new road perhaps? Paint the developers as the bad guys? Well if the safety cap fits...

gusgreen says...
11:30am Tue 19 Jun 12

Nowt to worry about ,this "project" has been going for at least 10 years and has no chance of being completed for another 20 by which time all the people concerned now will not be worried at all, we will all be passed it, me included

TRT says...
11:49am Tue 19 Jun 12

Perhaps when they said they would be relocating the football pitches what they really meant to say was that they will be moving the goalposts?

crazyfrog says...
12:51pm Tue 19 Jun 12

Developers taking a risk? leave it out ! vulture's snatching at the public purse morelike, These people dont take risks with that sort of money unless there is some serious financial payback, so as there is a profit in it why doesnt the government fund and build it all and reinvest the profit? because ultimately we the taxpayer will end up paying more than the initial cost of the project to the developers

TRT says...
1:09pm Tue 19 Jun 12

I wonder if these developers are behind the recent dumping of topsoil at the allotments? The plot thickens.

Reg Edit says...
2:14pm Tue 19 Jun 12

More land = more housing = more profit.

Developers can never have enough profit and the council are either so corrupt or so stupid as to let this happen. Is anyone on the council getting anything out of this? If not, what on earth is driving this change to the plans?

Dotty says it is so "The project can stand up". That is woolly and typical of Liberal speak.

Give facts Dotty, tell the people why you are taking away this valuable green resource. Be honest with the people of Watford, after all, you and every other council worker work for us.

Useless Liberal windmills 1 (pretending to be green), Green land (which is actually green) 0.

The whole thing smells bad. This needs an enquiry if it goes ahead.

TRT says...
2:36pm Tue 19 Jun 12

Oh, I doubt they would reduce the number of plots available. They would likely commandeer some nearby scrub land using the 1950 Allotments Act. The problem comes that people who have been tending the site for years know the soil conditions and the microclimate, have reduced the dormant weed population, and have invested time and money in their little corner of England. There's no cheap and easy way to compensate people for a loss like this. The whole thing, as you rightly say, stinks.

The Rover says...
3:12pm Tue 19 Jun 12

Reg Edit wrote:
More land = more housing = more profit.

Developers can never have enough profit and the council are either so corrupt or so stupid as to let this happen. Is anyone on the council getting anything out of this? If not, what on earth is driving this change to the plans?

Dotty says it is so "The project can stand up". That is woolly and typical of Liberal speak.

Give facts Dotty, tell the people why you are taking away this valuable green resource. Be honest with the people of Watford, after all, you and every other council worker work for us.

Useless Liberal windmills 1 (pretending to be green), Green land (which is actually green) 0.

The whole thing smells bad. This needs an enquiry if it goes ahead.
More housing = more income from Council Tax. As far as the council are concerned they can make more money from housing than they can from an allotment.

scarecrow says...
9:11pm Tue 19 Jun 12

The allotment land has also been mooted as a site for a new primary school.

"RUBBISH"

drunkenduck says...
10:14pm Tue 19 Jun 12

The Rover wrote:
Reg Edit wrote:
More land = more housing = more profit.

Developers can never have enough profit and the council are either so corrupt or so stupid as to let this happen. Is anyone on the council getting anything out of this? If not, what on earth is driving this change to the plans?

Dotty says it is so "The project can stand up". That is woolly and typical of Liberal speak.

Give facts Dotty, tell the people why you are taking away this valuable green resource. Be honest with the people of Watford, after all, you and every other council worker work for us.

Useless Liberal windmills 1 (pretending to be green), Green land (which is actually green) 0.

The whole thing smells bad. This needs an enquiry if it goes ahead.
More housing = more income from Council Tax. As far as the council are concerned they can make more money from housing than they can from an allotment.
Because Fib Debs let so many developers build more homes, to able to keep the council tax low. Even at the cost of losing green belts, parks, allotments etc.

So Dotty wants to cover the allotments with tons of concrete to get a vote! Think she's one of the "bad guys" here too, not just the developers. Speaking to many health professions at the hospital, they ware surprise that one billion pounds is getting spent to cover the cost of this Health Campus development. Many believe the money has not been spent wisely of redeveloping the hospital but instead it's gone somewhere else - i.e. someone's pocket.

And why is the developers moaning about spending more money, £30 million. After all they're getting nearly one billion pounds of tax payers money.

But who's next and shame the Liberal Democrat and/or councillors for anyone who votes for this and the mayor to replace a sustainable land for more houses and part campus. It be Cassiobury Park be next, under attack to be built on by the council.

Reg Edit says...
8:26am Wed 20 Jun 12

Did someone say it's to keep the council tax low?

Sorry, I can't type any more, I hurt myself from laughing so much...

TRT says...
2:01pm Wed 20 Jun 12

I can't believe that line about the primary school. I mean, there's one pencilled in for the Morrisson's thing at Ascot Road. Is that the new 'get out of jail free' card for developers? Oh, we'll build a primary school there.

But you know what'll happen when it gets down to it? they'll offer an unfinished generic space to the county who will suddenly find it to be an unsuitable site for a school, and it will end up as a commercial development with, at best, a private pre-school nursery with space for 8 kids.

Reg Edit says...
9:48am Thu 21 Jun 12

TRT,

you seem to make a good point. The whole thing seems fishy.

TRT says...
10:48am Thu 21 Jun 12

Yeah. The developers know what the council wants and they offer it to them at the planning stage, then back down because of 'changes in the economic climate' or 'un-forseen adverse public reaction' or some such drivel.

Were we or were we not promised a bowling alley and/or cinema as part of the Harlequin development? And what did we get? They gave the council some money instead and the leisure facility got built miles out of town with next to no public transport, and the lower half of the high street turns into a mugger's paradise as soon as the shutters come down, while the top end of town becomes binge-drinker city. Domino effect.

worzle says...
5:07pm Thu 21 Jun 12

Every cloud has a silver lining. So maybe the replacement plots that the council have to provide by law will be of a better quality than what we have. As long as the council provide weed free replacements and pay for shed relocation.

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