- Mobile site
- E-Newsletters
-
- News feed
- Find us on Twitter
@Observer_Owl
Follow Watford Observer on Twitter
- Find us on Facebook
Watford Observer
Like us on Facebook
Watford Health Campus embroiled in political row (From Watford Observer)
Get involved: send your pictures, video, news and views by texting WO to 80360, or email us
Watford politicians split over fate of health campus allotments
9:25am Friday 20th July 2012 in News
By Mike Wright, Chief Reporter
Watford Health Campus embroiled in political row
The Watford Health Campus became embroiled in a political row this week as borough councillors split over whether allotment land should be used in the project.
At a full Watford Borough Council meeting on Wednesday the opposition Labour party tabled a motion calling on the ruling Liberal Democrat group to protect the Farm Terrace Allotments.
However ruling Liberal Democrats rejected the idea, saying it would be tying their hands behind their back in the negotiations over the £1bn project.
The council is set to decide on a private developer to carry out the project, which will see a new hospital, hundreds of new homes and new businesses built on the land behind Vicarage Road .
Last month plot-holders were told the Farm Terrace Allotments, which were originally preserved in health campus, may need to be built on to make the scheme viable.
At the meeting Labour leader Nigel Bell said the allotments should be put above the profit margins of developers. He said: “Commercial developers are seeking to incorporate the Farm Terrace Allotments into the health campus project in order to gain greater financial profit for themselves.
The move provoked an angry response from the Liberal Democrats who accused Labour of playing politics with the £1bn scheme.
Liberal Democrat George Derbyshire said: “This motion is nothing more than a cynical attempt to use a localised issue to political advantage with complete disregard for the people of Watford.”
Other senior Liberal Demcrats accused Councillor Bell of “flip-flopping” saying he had not mentioned his concerns about the allotments when he first heard they may be used in the Health Campus at a private meeting.
Labour’s Asif Khan responded by saying the Liberal Democrats were “playing the man not the ball” with their attacks on Councillor Bell.
Extending the football analogy, Liberal Democrat cabinet member Derek Scudder compared Labour’s motion to tying the council’s hands behind its back in penalty shootout, when it came to negotiating the Health Campus.
Green Party councillors threw their weight behind the Labour motion, saying they opposed the loss of more green areas in the town.
Steve Rackett , the leader of the Green group, said he feared that green spaces had not been properly protected in the original health campus master plan.
He said: “I wasn’t satisfied this issue was being addressed and now that is coming home to roost.”
At end of the debate the Liberal Democrat elected mayor, Dorothy Thornhill, said the decision to allow the Farm Terrace Allotments to be used in the development had not been taken lightly.
She attack the Labour group saying: “Your knowledge of the project is appalling. I genuinely think you just don’t get it.”
In the end Labour, the Greens and an Independent voted in support of the motion, but it was defeated by the larger Liberal Democrat majority and a Conservative.
Comments(41)
pietas
says...
11:06am Fri 20 Jul 12
http://www.watfordob
server.co.uk/news/97
69043.Allotment_hold
ers_concerned_over_f
uture_of_plots/?ref=
rss
For some strange reason ‘comments are now closed on this article'.
kingofpop
says...
11:28am Fri 20 Jul 12
Studholme Berkeley
says...
11:44am Fri 20 Jul 12
Can't they find a few more back gardens to buold on? Hw about moving it all to Mount Vernon, which used to be a damned good hospital?
Andrew1963
says...
12:33pm Fri 20 Jul 12
scarecrow
says...
2:43pm Fri 20 Jul 12
pietas
says...
4:11pm Fri 20 Jul 12
scarecrow
says...
5:03pm Fri 20 Jul 12
phil mitchel
says...
5:54pm Fri 20 Jul 12
Nascot
says...
8:44pm Fri 20 Jul 12
drunkenduck
says...
9:29pm Fri 20 Jul 12
http://www.publicati
ons.parliament.uk/pa
/cm199798/cmselect/c
menvtra/560/56010.ht
m
If the allotment is on land owned by the local authority then it will either be classed a statutory or temporary site. Statutory sites are protected by law.
blah-blah
says...
9:40pm Fri 20 Jul 12
rvoice.com/forums/78
585-campaign-suggest
ions/suggestions/298
2132-stop-the-propos
ed-closure-of-farm-t
errace-allotmen
blah-blah
says...
9:53pm Fri 20 Jul 12
Reg Edit
says...
10:35pm Fri 20 Jul 12
it appears a number of early posts have been removed. Mine was one of them.
In essence I praised the Labour chap for raising the question, no matter what his motive may have been. He did a good thing.
At present the Liberals can do as they please, but at least questions are being asked of them.
Too large a group on the council can lead to bad governance. Watford Council is an example of that.
Only the Liberal party would build on these allotments (or are the Tories, sorry, the Tory, in on this as well?), and you voted them in to power in Watford in such numbers that they can and will do just that.
No apologies or second thoughts, if you don't agree with them you "just don't get it". Totalitarian?
Nice of them to consider other people may hold other views and respect their positions.
Not such a nice party now, are they? Ask an allotment holder.
phil mitchel
says...
9:56am Sat 21 Jul 12
pietas
says...
10:58am Sat 21 Jul 12
a) Repost the comments that have been deleted. (I do not recall seeing any form of abuse when reading them.)
b) Give explanation as to why they were deleted.
If comments are going to be arbitrarily lost, people will give up reading and contributing to the website. Something your advertisers would not be very happy with.
drunkenduck
says...
11:24am Sat 21 Jul 12
pietas wrote:Pietas, WO are worried that some comments could land them with legal problems and/or have abuse attached. Then again, doesn't everybody has a right to express their views, concerns about an issue, such as like this. Then how else would they be able to, if the council doesn't listen or care about the local residents.
Watford Observer please can you:
a) Repost the comments that have been deleted. (I do not recall seeing any form of abuse when reading them.)
b) Give explanation as to why they were deleted.
If comments are going to be arbitrarily lost, people will give up reading and contributing to the website. Something your advertisers would not be very happy with.
Recall this: "Dorothy Thornhill, Mayor of Watford, receives the MBE “for services to local government in Watford". What a load of tosh.
That does NOT mean she has the right treated the local residents or others like dirt. If she doesn't be careful, she could lose her MBE!
scarecrow
says...
11:43am Sat 21 Jul 12
lly agree!
Could never understand how she got the MBE anyway.... for doing her job and getting a very good salary for it too?
phil mitchel
says...
12:48pm Sat 21 Jul 12
scarecrow
says...
1:01pm Sat 21 Jul 12
Small Holdings and Allotments Act 1908
www.legislation.gov.
uk
Reg Edit
says...
1:17pm Sat 21 Jul 12
phil mitchel wrote:Phil, you are right to be worried.
Don't forget whats going on when it's time to vote. Don't listen to their lies and distortions, don't take any notice of that rubbish they post through your door. Question every statement they make and demand they quantify it, pester them for evidence and the truth behind the propoganda they distribute and when the time comes vote this sorry shower out. Every year you get a chance to reduce their number...use it, before they take that away from us.
At the moment if we vote an MP in we can vote him out again within 5 years at the next election. Anyone can make a mistake and vote in a clown, and 5 years seems too long in my opinion to remove an elected politician who no longer has the support of his constituents.
The Libs want their elected senators in the house of lords to have 15 year terms. That is so anti-democratic, 15 years. In five years time there is a good chance the Libs will be finished as a political force in this country, yet they could still have a number of people sitting in the House of Lords with a further 10 years on their ticket. How could that possibly be democratic or reflecting the will of the people? It's just plain stupid.
Clegg has no interest in democracy, if he did he wouldn't be so insistent on selling this country out to the anti-democratic EU. He is just after personal power for himself and the remainder of his motley crew.
The Liberals are a disaster and this council is an example of what happens if you give them too much power - they abuse it and ride roughshod over the people of Watford.
But it's all our fault. You see, as Dotty puts it so well, "we just don't get it". There might be a reason for that Dotty, and that's because we are not as stupid as you would like to think we are, and we are not as dotty as you!
Next time, use your vote to clear out the Libs and re-introduce a little democracy to Watford.
E.Coli
says...
11:00am Sun 22 Jul 12
clarkie750
says...
2:35pm Sun 22 Jul 12
scarecrow
says...
4:49pm Sun 22 Jul 12
clarkie750
says...
7:24pm Sun 22 Jul 12
pietas
says...
7:46pm Sun 22 Jul 12
To try and make the tenants of Farm Terrace and others of Watford that support them feel guilty and selfish is just a typical ploy to attempt to diminish a very valid stand to keep the allotments for this and future generations.
The council should work harder and not just cave in to profiteering manipulations of developers. Sounds like the two favoured companies have hatched this demand up between them.
scarecrow
says...
8:35pm Sun 22 Jul 12
Veritas
says...
10:14pm Sun 22 Jul 12
yet you bable on as if you have some inside knowledge of Daft Dottys working!!
YOU talk utter rubbish, a costing was done when the project was being put together, if they now find that they are short of "profit" tough!!!
A big disappointment and concerning that the Hospital are also trying to blackmail people with rubbish about using temporary facilities being connected to the Allotments? They should blame the idiots who closed down Hemel A & E and other departments for the increase in numbers being admitted to Watford.
Also, I guess it is no coincidence that allotments around Watford are being run down and vacant, is it to make room for the Farm Terrace holders?
Also the allotment holders should ask how much they will have to pay for the new plots, as Daft Dotty has doubled the prices, will they have to pay the new increases? so they will get shafted both ways
blah-blah
says...
12:47am Mon 23 Jul 12
Veritas
says...
3:32am Mon 23 Jul 12
Daft Dotty and her Fib Cronies are in for themselves!!!
Councillors claiming expenses whilst not in the country, one happy Chappie even getting away with doing a two year doctorate, oh and leaving the country. Do you really think they are interested in Watford overcrowding or lack of allotments or school places? Or a Hospital come to think of it? LOL
clarkie750
says...
7:25am Mon 23 Jul 12
Reg Edit
says...
2:07pm Mon 23 Jul 12
pietas wrote:Well said, and it needed saying.
Why cannot the people of Watford have both? No, this is not a naive proposal. Where there’s a will there’s a way. e.g. why cannot the developers be offered other parcel/parcels of land in Watford to build the houses on that will make it worth their while? If there is no other land available, then where do the council propose to resite the evicted allotment holders?
To try and make the tenants of Farm Terrace and others of Watford that support them feel guilty and selfish is just a typical ploy to attempt to diminish a very valid stand to keep the allotments for this and future generations.
The council should work harder and not just cave in to profiteering manipulations of developers. Sounds like the two favoured companies have hatched this demand up between them.
Clarkie is right about the usual suspects though - he's popped up again to defend a very flaky Liberal council on a very flaky Liberal scheme that is against the interests of the local people.
There is no reason on earth why we can't have both the hospital and the allotments. It's just greed and horse-dealing by the Liberals.
What's in it for them?
Veritas
says...
2:19pm Mon 23 Jul 12
Shame no comments allowed. lol
A bit like the previous article about the former Conservative councillor, speaking about about local issues and being told what to say?
Why no comments allowed?
Then you wonder why Politics is such a mess in Watford, when elected officials can't even deal with local issues from an opposite view?
clarkie750
says...
7:27pm Mon 23 Jul 12
I won't comment on Gareth's usual ravings.
Veritas
says...
8:27pm Mon 23 Jul 12
Oh, sorry your a Fib Demp councillor!!
You would'nt know a fact from fiction judging by your pathetic postings!! LOL
Harry Bee
says...
11:30am Tue 24 Jul 12
Also, I guess it is no coincidence that allotments around Watford are being run down and vacant, is it to make room for the Farm Terrace holders?
I ask:
Or is it to make it easier to offer the land to developers?
blah-blah
says...
2:44pm Tue 24 Jul 12
rvoice.com/forums/78
585-campaign-suggest
ions/suggestions/298
2132-stop-the-propos
ed-closure-of-farm-t
errace-allotmen
Reg Edit
says...
9:50am Wed 25 Jul 12
clarkie750 wrote:Yes Clarkie, facts are facts.
Reg, the thing about life is that isn't always how you would like it to be, but how it is. That is why your statement about having the development and the allotments is wrong. Sorry but facts are facts
I won't comment on Gareth's usual ravings.
The question is, how would YOU know?
You just make stuff up when it suits you with no regard to facts.
Sorry, but it's difficult to take you and the rest of the Liberals-not-democra
ts seriously.
blah-blah
says...
11:13am Thu 26 Jul 12
lillylurcher
says...
1:36pm Thu 26 Jul 12
TRT
says...
2:00pm Thu 26 Jul 12
WWOGAS
says...
2:45pm Fri 27 Jul 12
ice.com (ps 38 degrees is the angle at which a landslide starts)
Comment now! Register or sign in below.
Log in with us
Fields marked with * are mandatory.
Or
Log in with