Road closure to install 20 mph zone in Watford (From Watford Observer)

LSC says...
2:48pm Sun 23 Sep 12

I thought we were skint? Why install new lighting when we can't afford to switch them on?
Why implement a new law when we can't afford the police to enforce it?

What few police we have I would rather see out on a Saturday night stopping the mayhem than sitting around issuing fixed penalty speeding tickets on a Sunday morning.

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Reg Edit says...
3:14pm Sun 23 Sep 12

Money burning a hole in the Liberals or Tories pockets again?

It's a wonder we ever managed to use this road without these expensive changes - I won't call them improvements.

What a waste of money!

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LSC says...
3:26pm Sun 23 Sep 12

Reg, that road used to be carnage. Dead children and OAPs scattered around like leaves from the trees. Cars slamming into each other at hundreds of miles per hour. Residents who haven't left their houses in decades.
They were going to film the latest Mad Max film there, but Mad Max was too scared.

I, for one, welcome the 10 mph speed reduction and to hell with the cost. This is the start of a new society, a new world!

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Reg Edit says...
3:50pm Sun 23 Sep 12

LSC wrote:
Reg, that road used to be carnage. Dead children and OAPs scattered around like leaves from the trees. Cars slamming into each other at hundreds of miles per hour. Residents who haven't left their houses in decades.
They were going to film the latest Mad Max film there, but Mad Max was too scared.

I, for one, welcome the 10 mph speed reduction and to hell with the cost. This is the start of a new society, a new world!

LSC,

if you say it's needed for all the above reasons I trust your judgement.

I hadn't realised quite how bad things were in west Watford. No wonder they need their own URDU CAB and the council is giving them one for £30,000 of our money. It's just not safe to walk those few minutes into Watford centre anymore.

I don't know why I would ever have doubted a council's wisdom to spend huge sums of our money introducing 20's plenty piecemeal around Watford. I would also like to apologise to all those people who barely escape with their lives on a daily basis whilst using this stretch of road. It must be murder for them.

II must confess it's never felt like that when I have driven along it, but I know the council wouldn't waste our money on putting this in on spurious grounds, no matter how hard dotty and her merry men have campaigned.

It makes me wonder if this job came second on dotty's list of things local residents were concerned about, after pointing out how the pond needed a bridge and £5 million pounds spent on tarting up the view from her office? Maybe that's it, overwhelming public opinion (by a few people who return questionnaires).

I hope Nick (I'm a basket case) Clegg get's his mansion tax, otherwise how are these useless Liberals going to be able to afford their castles in the sky and all these other wasteful schemes? Good luck Nick, and remember the Liberals battle song "Money, money, money, spend it funny, it's from a rich man's world" - apologies to ABBA for soiling their song on the liberals.

Let's humour Nick, let's give him what he wants, after all, nobody loves him anymore and he cuts a lonely loony figure.

Let's put a windmill on every street corner. To save money don't bother wiring them up to the national grid because they do not produce any meaningful or reliable electricity. They just look pretty and make liberals feel good about themselves. A bit like a purple flag, I suppose - No earthly use to anyone but makes a liberal feel good about the world, and that, my friends, is what it's all about!

Now then, I wonder what the next dotty scheme will be to come our way, assuming we don't go bankrupt first?

[quote][p][bold]LSC[/bold] wrote: Reg, that road used to be carnage. Dead children and OAPs scattered around like leaves from the trees. Cars slamming into each other at hundreds of miles per hour. Residents who haven't left their houses in decades. They were going to film the latest Mad Max film there, but Mad Max was too scared. I, for one, welcome the 10 mph speed reduction and to hell with the cost. This is the start of a new society, a new world![/p][/quote]LSC, if you say it's needed for all the above reasons I trust your judgement. I hadn't realised quite how bad things were in west Watford. No wonder they need their own URDU CAB and the council is giving them one for £30,000 of our money. It's just not safe to walk those few minutes into Watford centre anymore. I don't know why I would ever have doubted a council's wisdom to spend huge sums of our money introducing 20's plenty piecemeal around Watford. I would also like to apologise to all those people who barely escape with their lives on a daily basis whilst using this stretch of road. It must be murder for them. II must confess it's never felt like that when I have driven along it, but I know the council wouldn't waste our money on putting this in on spurious grounds, no matter how hard dotty and her merry men have campaigned. It makes me wonder if this job came second on dotty's list of things local residents were concerned about, after pointing out how the pond needed a bridge and £5 million pounds spent on tarting up the view from her office? Maybe that's it, overwhelming public opinion (by a few people who return questionnaires). I hope Nick (I'm a basket case) Clegg get's his mansion tax, otherwise how are these useless Liberals going to be able to afford their castles in the sky and all these other wasteful schemes? Good luck Nick, and remember the Liberals battle song "Money, money, money, spend it funny, it's from a rich man's world" - apologies to ABBA for soiling their song on the liberals. Let's humour Nick, let's give him what he wants, after all, nobody loves him anymore and he cuts a lonely loony figure. Let's put a windmill on every street corner. To save money don't bother wiring them up to the national grid because they do not produce any meaningful or reliable electricity. They just look pretty and make liberals feel good about themselves. A bit like a purple flag, I suppose - No earthly use to anyone but makes a liberal feel good about the world, and that, my friends, is what it's all about! Now then, I wonder what the next dotty scheme will be to come our way, assuming we don't go bankrupt first? Reg Edit

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Rollnbutta says...
4:26pm Sun 23 Sep 12

I'd like to know when we are going to be compensated for the damage done to our cars because of these speed bumps. I'm all in favour of traffic calming measures, but when you have a low car like a coupe, as I have, even when you slow to snail's pace, these bumps damage the underside of the car. I'm fed up with my exhaust having to be re-fixed, at my cost, just because some muppets don't know how to drive sensibly.

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stuegs says...
5:28pm Sun 23 Sep 12

Rollnbutta, stupid comment. We shouldnt have speed bumps because you drive a coupe!!

Speed bumps slow down idiots in coupes and stop them killing people. Your problem for buying an impractical car.

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The Rover says...
5:41pm Sun 23 Sep 12

What a waste of money. You could understand it if the road was an accident hotspot, but it isn't. In fact, with cars parked on both sides you would often struggle to do 20mph anyway.

So we are going to get new lighting which will be switched off when it's needed, speed bumps to destroy our cars, and 20mph signs when it's barely possible to drive up the road at 20mph anyway.

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wd40 says...
7:12pm Sun 23 Sep 12

Idea! Lets employ people with Red (or Purple) flags to walk in front of the vehicles that use this road. Just a thought. Why nobody has thought of this before I dont know.

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The Rover says...
7:59pm Sun 23 Sep 12

wd40 wrote:
Idea! Lets employ people with Red (or Purple) flags to walk in front of the vehicles that use this road. Just a thought. Why nobody has thought of this before I dont know.

The problem with purple flags are they cost £35,000 each!

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TRT says...
10:03pm Sun 23 Sep 12

@Stueggs. Would you call a Rover Metro an impractical car? I just wonder because I used to have one. I considered it a sensible little vehicle, taking up very little parking space, fairly economical on fuel, easy to maintain, designed and built in Britain for British roads. Trouble was that even at 5mph there were some of these speed bumps that were so badly installed that it flattened the towing eyes and smacked the front pipe flat to the point I had to have the suspension raised well above the design specification (not recommended as it has a negative effect on handling round a corner). Add that to the fact that I wrecked my back some years ago and found the bumping and bouncing quite painful. There is no excuse now for putting speed humps in. Yet another waste of money.
Speed humps punish every driver for the excesses of a few morons. Target the morons, not everyone.

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Hornets number 12 fan says...
10:19pm Sun 23 Sep 12

I really don't know where to start! So I won't!!!!

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londomollari says...
10:59pm Sun 23 Sep 12

Reg Edit wrote:

LSC wrote:
Reg, that road used to be carnage. Dead children and OAPs scattered around like leaves from the trees. Cars slamming into each other at hundreds of miles per hour. Residents who haven't left their houses in decades.
They were going to film the latest Mad Max film there, but Mad Max was too scared.

I, for one, welcome the 10 mph speed reduction and to hell with the cost. This is the start of a new society, a new world!
LSC,

if you say it's needed for all the above reasons I trust your judgement.

I hadn't realised quite how bad things were in west Watford. No wonder they need their own URDU CAB and the council is giving them one for £30,000 of our money. It's just not safe to walk those few minutes into Watford centre anymore.

I don't know why I would ever have doubted a council's wisdom to spend huge sums of our money introducing 20's plenty piecemeal around Watford. I would also like to apologise to all those people who barely escape with their lives on a daily basis whilst using this stretch of road. It must be murder for them.

II must confess it's never felt like that when I have driven along it, but I know the council wouldn't waste our money on putting this in on spurious grounds, no matter how hard dotty and her merry men have campaigned.

It makes me wonder if this job came second on dotty's list of things local residents were concerned about, after pointing out how the pond needed a bridge and £5 million pounds spent on tarting up the view from her office? Maybe that's it, overwhelming public opinion (by a few people who return questionnaires).

I hope Nick (I'm a basket case) Clegg get's his mansion tax, otherwise how are these useless Liberals going to be able to afford their castles in the sky and all these other wasteful schemes? Good luck Nick, and remember the Liberals battle song "Money, money, money, spend it funny, it's from a rich man's world" - apologies to ABBA for soiling their song on the liberals.

Let's humour Nick, let's give him what he wants, after all, nobody loves him anymore and he cuts a lonely loony figure.

Let's put a windmill on every street corner. To save money don't bother wiring them up to the national grid because they do not produce any meaningful or reliable electricity. They just look pretty and make liberals feel good about themselves. A bit like a purple flag, I suppose - No earthly use to anyone but makes a liberal feel good about the world, and that, my friends, is what it's all about!

Now then, I wonder what the next dotty scheme will be to come our way, assuming we don't go bankrupt first?

Hope you feel better after having a good,relieving rant.
Personally, having been a delivery driver about Watford for 12 years, i am a little suprised that it is found necessary to limit the speed here. However, maybe at night---boy racers---.

[quote][p][bold]Reg Edit[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LSC[/bold] wrote: Reg, that road used to be carnage. Dead children and OAPs scattered around like leaves from the trees. Cars slamming into each other at hundreds of miles per hour. Residents who haven't left their houses in decades. They were going to film the latest Mad Max film there, but Mad Max was too scared. I, for one, welcome the 10 mph speed reduction and to hell with the cost. This is the start of a new society, a new world![/p][/quote]LSC, if you say it's needed for all the above reasons I trust your judgement. I hadn't realised quite how bad things were in west Watford. No wonder they need their own URDU CAB and the council is giving them one for £30,000 of our money. It's just not safe to walk those few minutes into Watford centre anymore. I don't know why I would ever have doubted a council's wisdom to spend huge sums of our money introducing 20's plenty piecemeal around Watford. I would also like to apologise to all those people who barely escape with their lives on a daily basis whilst using this stretch of road. It must be murder for them. II must confess it's never felt like that when I have driven along it, but I know the council wouldn't waste our money on putting this in on spurious grounds, no matter how hard dotty and her merry men have campaigned. It makes me wonder if this job came second on dotty's list of things local residents were concerned about, after pointing out how the pond needed a bridge and £5 million pounds spent on tarting up the view from her office? Maybe that's it, overwhelming public opinion (by a few people who return questionnaires). I hope Nick (I'm a basket case) Clegg get's his mansion tax, otherwise how are these useless Liberals going to be able to afford their castles in the sky and all these other wasteful schemes? Good luck Nick, and remember the Liberals battle song "Money, money, money, spend it funny, it's from a rich man's world" - apologies to ABBA for soiling their song on the liberals. Let's humour Nick, let's give him what he wants, after all, nobody loves him anymore and he cuts a lonely loony figure. Let's put a windmill on every street corner. To save money don't bother wiring them up to the national grid because they do not produce any meaningful or reliable electricity. They just look pretty and make liberals feel good about themselves. A bit like a purple flag, I suppose - No earthly use to anyone but makes a liberal feel good about the world, and that, my friends, is what it's all about! Now then, I wonder what the next dotty scheme will be to come our way, assuming we don't go bankrupt first?[/p][/quote]Hope you feel better after having a good,relieving rant. Personally, having been a delivery driver about Watford for 12 years, i am a little suprised that it is found necessary to limit the speed here. However, maybe at night---boy racers---. londomollari

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LSC says...
1:22am Mon 24 Sep 12

"Hope you feel better after having a good,relieving rant.
Personally, having been a delivery driver about Watford for 12 years, i am a little suprised that it is found necessary to limit the speed here. However, maybe at night---boy racers---."

Are you suggesting that by 'being out there' you know what goes on, where it goes on and probably who does it?

That's crazy talk! It would suggest we should put out police patrols rather than have them sitting at a desk reviewing camera footage and filling forms out!

No, the answer is not an integrated police force who know the ground and know the people.
The answer is cameras, petty enforcement officers on minimum wage (and minimum brain) giving out fixed penalties, and speed humps.

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Honest Rog says...
4:52am Mon 24 Sep 12

Are we premature in criticism of Dorothy and friends over these changes? Unless things have recently changed I thought W.C. has no remit re. Highways. This always was under the umbrella of H.C.C.
No matter. There seems to be no mention of deaths or serious injuries on this barely passable leafy lane overlooked by agreeable detached properties. No, this is elitism! How about Rushton Avenue next?
Yeah thought not.

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stuegs says...
7:25am Mon 24 Sep 12

In all honesty TRT, i wouldnt be admitting to driving a Rover Metro

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cathbal66 says...
7:51am Mon 24 Sep 12

Further waste of our money, especially as I fail to see how anyone can do more than 20mph on any road in Watford these days anyway!

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Hornets number 12 fan says...
9:36am Mon 24 Sep 12

OK I find it an insult to the tax paying drivers of this country that these bloody humps/chicanes and the like can be installed at great cost while the roads lay there unrepaired or cheap patched up lasting five minute beofre it has to be done again! The A405 is a cae in point, this is a fast road and HCC in their finite wisdom decided to do the cheapest resurfacing I.E. a layer of wet tar and loose chips thrown over it! .On a fast road with a 50mph limit we got the "loose chippings 20mph" signs! Sheer Lunacy and damaging to vehicles but do we complain? no we just take it on the chin like sky high car insurances and repair costs! Oh and the rip off petrol and diesel prices! How many of the readers of this have had a car fail it's MOT on a broken spring? You NEVER used to hear of cars having broken springs or very very rarely but now it's the norm because of all the speed humps our vehicles have to endure on a regular basis! Also emmisions have been proven to be much worse in areas with traffic calming. A high price to pay wouldn't you say?

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TRT says...
9:46am Mon 24 Sep 12

And God (or earplugs) help you if you live on a route frequented by skip lorries.

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Bobbio says...
9:57am Mon 24 Sep 12

The sad thing about 20 mph speed limits is that they kill and injure more people after they are installed than when the road had a 30 limit. There is a growing data base of evidence supporting this. Portsmouth is the main case in point. So presumably Dorothy wishes to kill and injure more Watfordians with this new 20 limit

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Mike Watford says...
10:57am Mon 24 Sep 12

Reg and Bobbio: it's not WBC or the Mayor who do roads/lights/road signage in Watford - it's Herts County Council.

It's almost laughable - if it wasn't a serious issue - to try and claim that a lower speed limit in residential areas kills and injuries, more people than a lower limit.

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Reg Edit says...
5:44pm Mon 24 Sep 12

Mike Watford wrote:
Reg and Bobbio: it's not WBC or the Mayor who do roads/lights/road signage in Watford - it's Herts County Council.

It's almost laughable - if it wasn't a serious issue - to try and claim that a lower speed limit in residential areas kills and injuries, more people than a lower limit.

Laughable or not, if there's evidence even the Liberals should look at it, eh Mike?

I know the roads are the responsibility of the County, but the local councillors and council lobby the County for works to be done, so their hands are not as clean on these issues like you would have us believe.

Dotty and her council asked County to implement a 20's plenty limit. Or was that someone impersonating her?

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John Howard Norfolk says...
5:11pm Wed 26 Sep 12

Bobbio wrote:
The sad thing about 20 mph speed limits is that they kill and injure more people after they are installed than when the road had a 30 limit. There is a growing data base of evidence supporting this. Portsmouth is the main case in point. So presumably Dorothy wishes to kill and injure more Watfordians with this new 20 limit

We could kill two birds with one stone by simply transferring the width restriction from Woodmere Avenue to this area!

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John Howard Norfolk says...
5:13pm Wed 26 Sep 12

wd40 wrote:
Idea! Lets employ people with Red (or Purple) flags to walk in front of the vehicles that use this road. Just a thought. Why nobody has thought of this before I dont know.

Better still to shift the width restriction here from Woodmere Avenue!

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