Taylor named interim chairman (From Watford Observer)

Good. As long as GT's involved I can feel happier about the situation. The moment he quits is when i'll start to panic.

At least there's one honest, grown up involved.

My security word, believe it or not, is "cash-weak" - the Wobby guys must spend too much time making these up themselves!

Now that's a solid result, but will he stay on board after all this pressure has been put on him. He's a non-exec - he wasn't in for this sort of responsibility. Let's hope he doesn't say enough is enough when this has levelled out.

Berks Horn wrote:
At least there's one honest, grown up involved. My security word, believe it or not, is "cash-weak" - the Wobby guys must spend too much time making these up themselves!

Quite...he is likely to be very angry that the egos and personal disputes of the shareholders is threatening the status of our/his club..

I am sure he will want to stick around and ensure everything is run at is should for the best of WFC rather than businessmens pockets.

As said before....In Taylor all Hornets will Trust

Best possible outcome. Ashcroft's financial backing plus Taylor's integrity, experience and love for the club. GT will need some solid business experience around him and we still need to generate some additional cash in the next few months. Rejoice & Praise the Lord! Come on You Golden Boys.

Please now Mr Russo dont let us down

CAN'T help thinking this is a very significant move by GT ,showing which side of the fence he is on and it is not on the Russo brothers side now !
perhaps things are starting to unfold and the faith a lot of fans have/had in the brothers was misplaced !

GT + ashcrofts money ,NO GS or Russo's ,now maybe THAT is the best scenerio

I don't think he's on anyone's side. He wants WFC to succeed and he's doing all he can to that aim. I suspect that these political manoeuvrings infuriate him! Richard (above) has got it spot on.

Rooky wgc wrote:
I don't think he's on anyone's side. He wants WFC to succeed and he's doing all he can to that aim. I suspect that these political manoeuvrings infuriate him! Richard (above) has got it spot on.

Exactly he just wants what is best for the club as a Watford man so clearly going to back anyone who wants to actually put money in to prevent administration...alt
hough GT might as asking the question:

Why didn't Mr Ashcroft come forward earlier as requested by the Russos.

My main worry is the Russo will feel Lord Ashcroft and Simpson wanted them out so why should they help out?

The man is such a Watford legend, he makes Nigel Gibbs look like David Connolly.

Wags it all about? wrote:
Richard You usually spout utter drivel and this latest tosh is very unsavoury indeed. Firstly, try to keep your tory sentiments to yourself, they are not relevant nor welcome. You must be rather dim or perhaps just dumb to conveniently forget why this whole sorry episode has come to this. This last chance saloon throw of the dice by the tory and latesty spin on the club website urging the russo's to 'do the right thing' is kidding only delluded wombats like you. Irritants like you with silly annoying names like yours (hip hip hooray!!) add nothing to this discussion but a curious mix of disdain and amusement

Here come the personal insults fairly decent debates get ruined with..

Can people just not disagree or get their dviews across nicely without having to call others names?

I guess its after school time but then as we've seen with the boardroom saga this week grown men can act like little children.

Your clearly a big Russo fan and not a fan of Mr Ashcroft which is fair enough but would have been nice to seen you add something to the discussion noteworthy.

Sorry Richard but i'd rather let the club die than have that tory involved in the club.

SSN saying Russo's have rejected LA offer and will call in the administrators,imbec
iles.

Like many of us, I have no idea what is really going on. However, yesterday I wrote to Jimmy Russo and today I got a response. I doubt that would be the case with Simpson or with Ashcroft.

His email portrayed a decent, frustrated man. Spin? Well, of course it could be, but then why bother to respond. He did, and I think it's worth acknowledging.

Jimmy Russo has rejected the proposal anyway.
We are screwed!!!

WFC4ever wrote:

Rooky wgc wrote: I don't think he's on anyone's side. He wants WFC to succeed and he's doing all he can to that aim. I suspect that these political manoeuvrings infuriate him! Richard (above) has got it spot on.

Exactly he just wants what is best for the club as a Watford man so clearly going to back anyone who wants to actually put money in to prevent administration...alt hough GT might as asking the question: Why didn't Mr Ashcroft come forward earlier as requested by the Russos. My main worry is the Russo will feel Lord Ashcroft and Simpson wanted them out so why should they help out?

Quite so. The Russo's were kicked in the teeth before by GS and Wilson, Ashcrofts representative. There were no thanks for the brothers efforts. Why has Ashcroft waited until now to suddenly help? Jim and Vince have twice come to WFC's aid, this time whilst Ashcroft and GS refused loans to help the club survive the rubbish management under Simpson. Fordwat now have the audacity, with all the wealth at their disposal, to try to force Jim and Vince to leave £4.7m loans in the club and come up with yet more to maintain their minority stake through the rights issue. That is taking the pi** and I can't see two proud and honest guys buying into that. I wouldn't. As WFC4ever says, why hasn't Ashcroft done this before. Our beloved family club has become a very unpleasant place under Simpson. My guess is that Jim and Vince will not play this game, and I for one don't blame them. I thank them for their efforts for my club and I am sorry it has given them so much heartache. Does anyone seriously think they should trust the majority shareholders in this thoroughly rotten part of our history. I feel great support for GT who like Malky will do their utmost for the right reasons. IMHO we are going into administration and if so I blame the majority shareholders...they have had the majority control throughout, so they are and always have been in ultimate control. Therefore they are responsible. Frankly they sicken me, as does this latest transparent manouvre...not GT's appointment, which is brilliant, I mean the rights issue being conditional on Jim and Vince leaving their money in. It is thoroughly spiteful and sickening.

Whatever the merits or otherwise of their case, I find the idea that the Russo's would let the club go into administration sickening.
This is what they will be remembered for.

And remembered for that they will be! Its official!!!

If the Lord is willing to underwrite the share issue to raise £7.5M I don't understand why Jimmy has been allowed the ongoing opportunity to put us into administration.
Why doesn't the Lord pay the Russo's loan now and then pay himself back out of the fund raising share issue. Admittedly he will in effect probably be paying himself but at least that way we can be certain that administration has been avoided for the immediate future.
Pressumably if Jimmy backs down and I very much hope that he does we will carry on into the medium term with all of our three major shareholders at loggerheads--doesn't that make for a somewhat uneasy truce.!!Why would the Lord want to continue the war of egos and why didn't he go along with Russo's proposed share issue months ago?
With some of the costly player contracts ending this year and young Loach almost certainly on his way hopefully for £3M plus additions the money remaining from the share issue might just see us through.
Its sad because I had rather liked the Russo's "live within your means approach" I suppose we have to hope our ongoing trust in GT doesn't turn out to be misplaced. Not because he would knowingly let us down but because he might lack the expertise to cope with the Lords web spinning.
Where is Simpson in all of this?

There is so much we don't know, perhaps we will have to wait for a final autobiography from Graham.
As it was the Russo's that brought GT back it is surprising that he appears not to have supported them.
I just find it all very confusing and annoying that they continue to play poker with our club.
Can't wait to see how the eventual board will attempt to sweet talk us all into renewing our season tickets!!

WFC4ever

Point noted and I'm humble enough to accept that my comments may have been a tad harsh, but you can guess I am not a big fan of Richard's.

If you've read my previous contributions then you would know I have made objective and constructive points.

For those of you who are taken in by comments such as Richards;

I do not wish to bring party politics to this discussion as I do not see any relevance.

As has been stated previously, and sorry to spell it out in simple terms, but the majority shareholders ashcroft and simpson allowed the 30% shareholders (the russos's) to take a punt with £5m. These funds were loaned from VGS, the Russo's fresh produce business.

During arguably the most financially serious period in the clubs recent history, where we started this term as relegation candidates, who chose to sit back and contribute zilch to help the club???? This despite a year of discussing offers tabled from Jimmy to find a solution to put the club back on solid ground

Now at the eleventh hour ashcroft is somehow being hailed by some as a saviour? - this is fantasy, please WAKE UP

Act of a spoilt kid.....you Fat Arroganyt salad munching arsehole ! You will allways be remenbered for this and dont you ever try to buy OUR club......dance on your grave i would you knob.....hate you

Losing key players and relegation beckons...that might only be the start of the "end"

:(

All because of a few bruised egos and personal disputes...

jasonwatford wrote:
Act of a spoilt kid.....you Fat Arroganyt salad munching arsehole ! You will allways be remenbered for this and dont you ever try to buy OUR club......dance on your grave i would you knob.....hate you

There might not even be a club to buy. They will own the ground, and we'll probably go into liquidation.

This is an absolute disaster.

JamesA wrote:
Whatever the merits or otherwise of their case, I find the idea that the Russo's would let the club go into administration sickening. This is what they will be remembered for.

James, so the end justifies any means? Sorry, I don't buy that. Support the guys who supported us when we needed it. You'll have your opinion, I will have mine. It will all be down to opinion, but Jim and Vince stuck millions in at short notice when they did not create the problem. Let the majority shareholders who did create the problem do likewise. Let them put their money where their mouths are, as the Russo's did. We treated them shamefully before and we are doing the same again, and I want no part in it. This is transparent politicking. It is the majority shareholders letting the club go into administration.

Wags it all about? wrote:
WFC4ever

Point noted and I'm humble enough to accept that my comments may have been a tad harsh, but you can guess I am not a big fan of Richard's.

If you've read my previous contributions then you would know I have made objective and constructive points.

For those of you who are taken in by comments such as Richards;

I do not wish to bring party politics to this discussion as I do not see any relevance.

As has been stated previously, and sorry to spell it out in simple terms, but the majority shareholders ashcroft and simpson allowed the 30% shareholders (the russos's) to take a punt with £5m. These funds were loaned from VGS, the Russo's fresh produce business.

During arguably the most financially serious period in the clubs recent history, where we started this term as relegation candidates, who chose to sit back and contribute zilch to help the club???? This despite a year of discussing offers tabled from Jimmy to find a solution to put the club back on solid ground

Now at the eleventh hour ashcroft is somehow being hailed by some as a saviour? - this is fantasy, please WAKE UP

mong

Billie wrote:

JamesA wrote:
Whatever the merits or otherwise of their case, I find the idea that the Russo's would let the club go into administration sickening. This is what they will be remembered for.

James, so the end justifies any means? Sorry, I don't buy that. Support the guys who supported us when we needed it. You'll have your opinion, I will have mine. It will all be down to opinion, but Jim and Vince stuck millions in at short notice when they did not create the problem. Let the majority shareholders who did create the problem do likewise. Let them put their money where their mouths are, as the Russo's did. We treated them shamefully before and we are doing the same again, and I want no part in it. This is transparent politicking. It is the majority shareholders letting the club go into administration.

I think you're struggling with this

How did anyone allow this group of idiots (and i refer to ALL of them) near our club!!!!!!! Oh well, looks like i'll be supporting Wealdstone in the near future! What a shambles!!! You should all be ashamed!!!!

I also refer to VOR. Sod off u CO@K!!

Never will i buy bagged salad again !!! Everyone should stop buying it !!!! i cant beleive what he has done...gutted

The Russos took the club on and did well after the Homer Horror Show.

Now the weasel Ashcroft has seen a chance to make money and he has been helped by the non execs .

Ashcrofts game is simple..get control of WFC. If the Russos dont subscribe effectively their shareholding will halve. Simpson hasnt got the money so Forwat pick up his rights and will end up with close to 50% or more.

The Russos if they yes to the deal either tie up cash in minority shares or see the holding reduce.

Ashcroft will then lend money to WFC, secure the ground and redevelopment of West Watford gets even more lucrative.

And all this by taking the club to the brink and then ripping off others with the help of naive directors.

Not a lot in it for Jimmy to say yes or no and we have lost a sensible chairman.

I am glad the club continues but I will be so much happier under completely different ownership.

I also take no pleasure in being proved right when Jimmy said no to a rights issue months ago and was believed by Biz,prof plum etc because at the end I doubted Jimmy Russo and to date he has proved to be a good businessman and a man of integrity

For all that has happened, whoever is to blame...if I had the money that a certain singer/fan of this football club has I for one would never in a million years sit back and watch this club effectively go down the sh1tter! I know he put money into the club in the past and we cannot expect him to bankroll us but Sir Elton John....this is when we need you the most! Just to keep this wonderful club that is so close to your heart in existence!!
Please Elton....we need you!!!!!

pstannard1 wrote:
Sorry Richard but i'd rather let the club die than have that tory involved in the club.

Well a tory has been involved for many years - let's not bring politics into this - its not helpfull

i think Elton has lost enough cash on this club over the years, i dont think we should expect to fall back on him every time we need a hand out...

sec (dark-trip)!!

I said no good would come from the sale of Jobi McAnuff

V.o.R wrote:

Billie wrote:

JamesA wrote: Whatever the merits or otherwise of their case, I find the idea that the Russo's would let the club go into administration sickening. This is what they will be remembered for.

James, so the end justifies any means? Sorry, I don't buy that. Support the guys who supported us when we needed it. You'll have your opinion, I will have mine. It will all be down to opinion, but Jim and Vince stuck millions in at short notice when they did not create the problem. Let the majority shareholders who did create the problem do likewise. Let them put their money where their mouths are, as the Russo's did. We treated them shamefully before and we are doing the same again, and I want no part in it. This is transparent politicking. It is the majority shareholders letting the club go into administration.

I think you're struggling with this

Actually no vOr. I do struggle to communicate with someone who uses words like 'mong' to describe others, something that used to be used for people with mental disabilities, but I am used to your prejudices so I will respond. I care about my club but principles are more important than football, and Watford have until your mates turned up operated with principle. I personally do believe we will face administration and it will bring shame on the majority shareholders. It may take some media analysis of which I am sure there will be much with Ashcroft involved. However it is a bit like the Government trying to blame a minority party in a coalition for a dodgy budget when they never bothered to even turn up for Parliament. I am sure there will be flak directed at the Russo's but the longer term analysis? Interesting. For instance, if the AGM was misled a year or so ago about share options for GS and MA there could be serious repurcussions.

dont care what anyone says...Jimmy Russo needs a slap....maybe sit in the away end this weekend and tell us why you think its a good idea you ficking idiot......its his company VGS loaning the money not his own personal fortune !

Chris the Vic wrote:
The Russos took the club on and did well after the Homer Horror Show. Now the weasel Ashcroft has seen a chance to make money and he has been helped by the non execs . Ashcrofts game is simple..get control of WFC. If the Russos dont subscribe effectively their shareholding will halve. Simpson hasnt got the money so Forwat pick up his rights and will end up with close to 50% or more. The Russos if they yes to the deal either tie up cash in minority shares or see the holding reduce. Ashcroft will then lend money to WFC, secure the ground and redevelopment of West Watford gets even more lucrative. And all this by taking the club to the brink and then ripping off others with the help of naive directors. Not a lot in it for Jimmy to say yes or no and we have lost a sensible chairman. I am glad the club continues but I will be so much happier under completely different ownership. I also take no pleasure in being proved right when Jimmy said no to a rights issue months ago and was believed by Biz,prof plum etc because at the end I doubted Jimmy Russo and to date he has proved to be a good businessman and a man of integrity

Some good points, but you fail to mention that the Russo's have always been minority shareholders so knew the risk involved. It seems to me that it requires Ashcroft and Russo to come to some agreement - without that this mess will happen again firther down the road.
We need to thank JR for putting his money in and for Ashcroft offering to invest 7.5 mill.

Personally disappointed with the Russo's. There was an offer on the table to save the club from administration and they have turned it down.

As GT has said i thought they wanted to do the right thing by the club. Rejecting the offer is not the right thing.

A possible play off place will be lost as will our loan signings with I suspect a fire sale in Jan (Loach and maybe others Graham , De Merit etc etc)

Russo has put money in but it has been secured against the ground and with interest so he always knew he would get it back.

In the past the likes of Elton gifted the money to the club this is the difference

James A (for...h**e presumably) and retard (simpson the silver pox lover)

You are both hideously a lost cause...

Jason you need to grow up as you are clearly living in cloud cuckoo land - take a step back and use your brain for a second and if you can then ask yourself WHO was actually really responsible for this situation.

I'll give you a clue it was not the Russo's

But the Russo's can wait for their money - arogant f**kers! Thanks for taking us into administration. SImpson you have raped our club, Ashcroft - too late, Russo's from saviours to executioners. Elton, where are ya??? Disgrace the lot of you, isn't modern football wonderful?!

Wags it all about? wrote:
James A (for...h**e presumably) and retard (simpson the silver pox lover)

You are both hideously a lost cause...

Jason you need to grow up as you are clearly living in cloud cuckoo land - take a step back and use your brain for a second and if you can then ask yourself WHO was actually really responsible for this situation.

I'll give you a clue it was not the Russo's

You're struggling with all this a little..............

Aren't you

MrMfatic wrote:
Personally disappointed with the Russo's. There was an offer on the table to save the club from administration and they have turned it down. As GT has said i thought they wanted to do the right thing by the club. Rejecting the offer is not the right thing. A possible play off place will be lost as will our loan signings with I suspect a fire sale in Jan (Loach and maybe others Graham , De Merit etc etc) Russo has put money in but it has been secured against the ground and with interest so he always knew he would get it back. In the past the likes of Elton gifted the money to the club this is the difference

Trouble is I could see clubs even wanting Harley,Hodson etc for various reasons:

Experience or great potential.

Nothing against the Youth lads (some of whom are pretty good) but we're likely to go down now.

Billie wrote:

V.o.R wrote:

Billie wrote:

JamesA wrote: Whatever the merits or otherwise of their case, I find the idea that the Russo's would let the club go into administration sickening. This is what they will be remembered for.

James, so the end justifies any means? Sorry, I don't buy that. Support the guys who supported us when we needed it. You'll have your opinion, I will have mine. It will all be down to opinion, but Jim and Vince stuck millions in at short notice when they did not create the problem. Let the majority shareholders who did create the problem do likewise. Let them put their money where their mouths are, as the Russo's did. We treated them shamefully before and we are doing the same again, and I want no part in it. This is transparent politicking. It is the majority shareholders letting the club go into administration.

I think you're struggling with this

Actually no vOr. I do struggle to communicate with someone who uses words like 'mong' to describe others, something that used to be used for people with mental disabilities, but I am used to your prejudices so I will respond. I care about my club but principles are more important than football, and Watford have until your mates turned up operated with principle. I personally do believe we will face administration and it will bring shame on the majority shareholders. It may take some media analysis of which I am sure there will be much with Ashcroft involved. However it is a bit like the Government trying to blame a minority party in a coalition for a dodgy budget when they never bothered to even turn up for Parliament. I am sure there will be flak directed at the Russo's but the longer term analysis? Interesting. For instance, if the AGM was misled a year or so ago about share options for GS and MA there could be serious repurcussions.

Yes Billie you maybe right but that's really secondary right now.
I've said from day one, while being lambasted, that they weren't right to take control of our club did I not?
I also think it's in pretty bad taste that they've left Graham Taylor to carry the can and to make for a good quiz question in years to come.
Feelings are running high and rightly so but ultimately good may come out of this and I can stop questioning our powers that be, with the likes that JR IS/WAS NEVER A WATFORD PERSON.
I still think something will happen before Tuesday tho.
imuz - I'm passing Red Lion in about 40 mins

Oh dear, didn't realise Richard was a silly namw, However, I'm not going to stoop to the level of some on this site, but as I've been saying for some time it is not a Black & White situation. If you don't want to support the club because Ashcroft is a Tory, that's your choice, but perhaps you need to know he's actually been providing financial support to us for many years now? His biggest mistake was allowing Simpson & Ashton to squander all the Premiership money and now he's stepped in (for the third time I think) with a cast-iron proposal to bail us out. The Russos have done superbly to reduce the size of the problem, but their crude attempts at Gunboat diplomacy to force Ashcroft to the table over recent weeks show their limitations. I also don't think the courts would support an application from them for a winding-up order if they persist with their ridiculous and spiteful demand for immediate payment on a secured loan. Have faith in GT - if not the Lord. By the way, I'm not sure how many Socialist Billionaires there are funding Football Clubs these days or maybe the Monster Raving Looney Party would get your support? Come On You Golden Boys.

mr mfatic comparing the russo's to EJ is ridiculous, go back to go.

Duckfan, why do you wish to thank ashcroft for not bothering to broker a deal with the russo's during the past year and thus preventing this situation?
Thank is hardly the term any right minded person would use,

and PLEASE don't fall for the 'do the right thing' spin. Ashcroft had one year to focus his time on doing just one useful thing connected to WFC, but chose not to.

Wags it all about? wrote:
mr mfatic comparing the russo's to EJ is ridiculous, go back to go.

Duckfan, why do you wish to thank ashcroft for not bothering to broker a deal with the russo's during the past year and thus preventing this situation?
Thank is hardly the term any right minded person would use,

and PLEASE don't fall for the 'do the right thing' spin. Ashcroft had one year to focus his time on doing just one useful thing connected to WFC, but chose not to.

Im not supporting Ashcroft and yes you are right he should have stepped in before.

But it is an offer that would save us from administration and at this stage this is the most important thing regardless of our personal feelings.

retard truth always get you don't it? Can't offer a sensible answer so resort to poor man's mind games - you are a silly little twerp aren't you.

Richard with the 'exciting' tag line! What is it about leaving politics out of this discussion that you fail to grasp?

Are you by any chance 80+ years old, a daily mail reader, picture of maggie in the home, anti eurozone, totally out of touch with common people etc etc etc?

Gunboat diplomacy from the Russo's? when they have been trying to get majority shareholders to agree a rescue package and saved the club from administration three times this year, (plus helped with their funds to buy back the vic). You are talking nonsense.

And your patronising and misguided comments about socialist billionaires is neither funny nor factual - as I said before you are out of touch with reality

Fairly sure there will be more moves from each side here - stay tuned!

I predict no administration and a
Happy Christmas for everyone

Richard - Come On You Golden Boys! wrote:
Oh dear, didn't realise Richard was a silly namw, However, I'm not going to stoop to the level of some on this site, but as I've been saying for some time it is not a Black & White situation. If you don't want to support the club because Ashcroft is a Tory, that's your choice, but perhaps you need to know he's actually been providing financial support to us for many years now? His biggest mistake was allowing Simpson & Ashton to squander all the Premiership money and now he's stepped in (for the third time I think) with a cast-iron proposal to bail us out. The Russos have done superbly to reduce the size of the problem, but their crude attempts at Gunboat diplomacy to force Ashcroft to the table over recent weeks show their limitations. I also don't think the courts would support an application from them for a winding-up order if they persist with their ridiculous and spiteful demand for immediate payment on a secured loan. Have faith in GT - if not the Lord. By the way, I'm not sure how many Socialist Billionaires there are funding Football Clubs these days or maybe the Monster Raving Looney Party would get your support? Come On You Golden Boys.

Problem with the diplomacy issue, the brothers were basically taken to a wall and shot a couple of years back. The problems stem from that grotesque act when Ashton, fully backed by Wilson (Ashcroft) was voted on the Board at their expense. What did he bring to the party? Second time around, when they have done their utmost to save the club, with NO help from Fordwat, they get criticised gor gunboat diplomacy. That's pretty unreasonable. I also think the attempts to publicly smear the brothers does not do GT justice. The majority shareholders have shafted them. It does GTs reputation no good to suggest it is their doing to take the club into administration. This is a hatchet job engineered by people responsible for our plight. So transparent and sickening. The lefty media journalists are going to love this.

Only 2 Ross Jenkins wrote:
Fairly sure there will be more moves from each side here - stay tuned! I predict no administration and a Happy Christmas for everyone

Hope your right.

Just feel sorry for Malky and the players (ok some mgiht actually get a move out of this mess)

Makes losing that game on Saturday even more annoying.

20 points plus a win at Peterborough would be pretty good still and maybe this is a chance for somebody fresh without any big egos or personal clashes to come and help us out.

Wags it all about? wrote:
mr mfatic comparing the russo's to EJ is ridiculous, go back to go. Duckfan, why do you wish to thank ashcroft for not bothering to broker a deal with the russo's during the past year and thus preventing this situation? Thank is hardly the term any right minded person would use, and PLEASE don't fall for the 'do the right thing' spin. Ashcroft had one year to focus his time on doing just one useful thing connected to WFC, but chose not to.

He is offering 7.5 million NOW - how much are you offering?

Billie

Spot on, I'm on the same page, I get it, so refreshing.

Congratulations for having the 'audacity' to speak about integrity, principles, factual events - an alien concept to those who side with ashcroft and simpson.

Thanks for killing our club Russos u sc¤m cu**s

Wags it all about? wrote:
Billie Spot on, I'm on the same page, I get it, so refreshing. Congratulations for having the 'audacity' to speak about integrity, principles, factual events - an alien concept to those who side with ashcroft and simpson.

Thanks Wags, vOr will of course sneer at any mutual respect. Sadly I know a lot more about this than I would like. I suspect you do too.

duckfan

Now is too late for anything, end of - you need to get up to speed with what has actually HAPPENED this past year.

7.5m for what exactly?? Billie is right in pointing out this saga has brought unnecessary media attention to our club, this sort of PR lives long in the memory.

For someone with ashcrofts alleged business 'success' this is a self created, humiliating debacle.

I do hope you will understand that I need to take a break from this mind numbing experience as I am beginning to feel like a broken record

Grinns

Just saw your comment, please be sure to ask santa for a brain won't you, cos clearly Neanderthal comments like yours suggest you are missing one

Billie wrote:

Wags it all about? wrote:
Billie Spot on, I'm on the same page, I get it, so refreshing. Congratulations for having the 'audacity' to speak about integrity, principles, factual events - an alien concept to those who side with ashcroft and simpson.

Thanks Wags, vOr will of course sneer at any mutual respect. Sadly I know a lot more about this than I would like. I suspect you do too.

You two have touched base haven't you, wouldn't be surprised if you're having a thought shower as we speak

Wags it all about? wrote:
Grinns

Just saw your comment, please be sure to ask santa for a brain won't you, cos clearly Neanderthal comments like yours suggest you are missing one

sec: Nob-cheese

Wags it all about? wrote:
duckfan Now is too late for anything, end of - you need to get up to speed with what has actually HAPPENED this past year. 7.5m for what exactly?? Billie is right in pointing out this saga has brought unnecessary media attention to our club, this sort of PR lives long in the memory. For someone with ashcrofts alleged business 'success' this is a self created, humiliating debacle. I do hope you will understand that I need to take a break from this mind numbing experience as I am beginning to feel like a broken record

Your logic is also broken

V.o.R wrote:

Wags it all about? wrote: Grinns Just saw your comment, please be sure to ask santa for a brain won't you, cos clearly Neanderthal comments like yours suggest you are missing one

sec: Nob-cheese

Filth from vOr as usual when faced with a rational response not to her liking.

Billie wrote:

Wags it all about? wrote:
Billie Spot on, I'm on the same page, I get it, so refreshing. Congratulations for having the 'audacity' to speak about integrity, principles, factual events - an alien concept to those who side with ashcroft and simpson.

Thanks Wags, vOr will of course sneer at any mutual respect. Sadly I know a lot more about this than I would like. I suspect you do too.

"Sadly I know a lot more about this than I would like" ******

***** Edit
"Sadly * I THINK Iknow a lot more about this than I would like

Fixed

Billie wrote:

V.o.R wrote:

Wags it all about? wrote: Grinns Just saw your comment, please be sure to ask santa for a brain won't you, cos clearly Neanderthal comments like yours suggest you are missing one

sec: Nob-cheese

Filth from vOr as usual when faced with a rational response not to her liking.

sanctimonious OLD git!!

why has lord A let it get this far before putting his hand in his pocket? there is so much confusion going on concerning the club, we're hearing so many different things that it's hard to decipher the truth. Will we ever really know what's gone on behind closed doors. I just feel sad and sick for all the WFC fans like myselfwho are left wondering what's going to happen to our beloved club, so good to have gt on board though.Love to all WFC fans lets live in hope . :) XXX

This is just the latest move in an increasingly complex fight between two parties who, let's face it will never be able to work together after all that's happened.  The Russos' are playing hardball with Ashcroft and want full control. Their current position may sound unpalatable, but I for one think they are still trying to call Ashcroft's bluff. I actually believe they represent our best hope in the long run- and I hope they force Ashcroft's hand to sell up without having to take us into administration. Ashcroft has more financial clout, but the Russos's loans are secured against Vicarage Rd, and they are using the threat of forcing administration which would wipe out Ashcroft's and Simpson's equity. The Russos' tried a more co-operative approach, with no luck. There is a reason why their loan was restructured recently, and also what all of a sudden we were told there was only money to see us to Christmas. Watch this space, but I hope the Russos's win this battle and continue their good work getting our club out of this financial mess. Their actions have been sensible all along, especially in comparison to the previous regime. Look at how well they played that tool Rodgers and maximised the money we got in a difficult situation. If they weren't interested in Watford FC, then why haven't they just taken Ashcroft's £5m and got out?  Although they have less to lose than Ashcroft if we do go into administration, they will hardly get more than £5m for the ground, which would have an insolvent tenant. 

GT will always be our greatest ambassador, but I'm afraid he is out of his depth here (as he admits himself). He only has the club's best interests at heart, and is an extremely honourable man who has become a pawn in an increasingly unpleasant and all too public wrangle. However, seeing him accuse the Russos' of having bad motives at this point is not going to help.

One more thing- the supporters trust, what are you doing? Surely you have some comment to make on what is happening at our club?  Assuming we get out of this mess, we need to ensure our club does not fall into this kind of situation ever again. This is a very complex game, and the fans are in the dark. Slating each other is not going to help matters either.   

V.o.R wrote:

Billie wrote:

Wags it all about? wrote: Billie Spot on, I'm on the same page, I get it, so refreshing. Congratulations for having the 'audacity' to speak about integrity, principles, factual events - an alien concept to those who side with ashcroft and simpson.

Thanks Wags, vOr will of course sneer at any mutual respect. Sadly I know a lot more about this than I would like. I suspect you do too.

"Sadly I know a lot more about this than I would like" ****** ***** Edit "Sadly * I THINK Iknow a lot more about this than I would like Fixed

I always think vOr, and sometimes know. This time I know. You could do with thinking once in a while. If you did you would never have fallen for Ashton's spin to become his delivery boy for his pictures. Who paid for them?

V.o.R wrote:

Billie wrote:

Wags it all about? wrote: Billie Spot on, I'm on the same page, I get it, so refreshing. Congratulations for having the 'audacity' to speak about integrity, principles, factual events - an alien concept to those who side with ashcroft and simpson.

Thanks Wags, vOr will of course sneer at any mutual respect. Sadly I know a lot more about this than I would like. I suspect you do too.

"Sadly I know a lot more about this than I would like" ****** ***** Edit "Sadly * I THINK Iknow a lot more about this than I would like Fixed

But you don't know more Retard stop pretending you do!
do yourself a favour and listen to Derry!

No money passed hands...........Natu
rally!
As I've said before, one ill judged and another misinformed--ultimat
ely acknowledged....
Hardly a crime to rival RJ at this juncture now is it.
Derry: please change your user name to thickas_pigsheet, be a bit more apt, is it grim up north tonight?

V.o.R wrote:
No money passed hands...........Natu rally! As I've said before, one ill judged and another misinformed--ultimat ely acknowledged.... Hardly a crime to rival RJ at this juncture now is it. Derry: please change your user name to thickas_pigsheet, be a bit more apt, is it grim up north tonight?

RJ
you are a ?

derry pigweed wrote:

V.o.R wrote: No money passed hands...........Natu rally! As I've said before, one ill judged and another misinformed--ultimat ely acknowledged.... Hardly a crime to rival RJ at this juncture now is it. Derry: please change your user name to thickas_pigsheet, be a bit more apt, is it grim up north tonight?

RJ you are a ?

Retard who is RJ?

Billie wrote:

JamesA wrote:
Whatever the merits or otherwise of their case, I find the idea that the Russo's would let the club go into administration sickening. This is what they will be remembered for.

James, so the end justifies any means? Sorry, I don't buy that. Support the guys who supported us when we needed it. You'll have your opinion, I will have mine. It will all be down to opinion, but Jim and Vince stuck millions in at short notice when they did not create the problem. Let the majority shareholders who did create the problem do likewise. Let them put their money where their mouths are, as the Russo's did. We treated them shamefully before and we are doing the same again, and I want no part in it. This is transparent politicking. It is the majority shareholders letting the club go into administration.

Billie is right !!!

Plus what was the Russo's proposal ?

Billie wrote:

JamesA wrote:
Whatever the merits or otherwise of their case, I find the idea that the Russo's would let the club go into administration sickening. This is what they will be remembered for.

James, so the end justifies any means? Sorry, I don't buy that. Support the guys who supported us when we needed it. You'll have your opinion, I will have mine. It will all be down to opinion, but Jim and Vince stuck millions in at short notice when they did not create the problem. Let the majority shareholders who did create the problem do likewise. Let them put their money where their mouths are, as the Russo's did. We treated them shamefully before and we are doing the same again, and I want no part in it. This is transparent politicking. It is the majority shareholders letting the club go into administration.

Billie is right !!!

Plus what was the Russo's proposal ?

most of you seem to have the financial acumen of graham simpson.all the russos have ever done is good.they are having the p**s taken out of them .how many of you fordwat lovers(you too gt)would put 5 million of your own money in when his lordship just sat watching.simpson had done all the damage earlier and you genius's want these two back.who else out there would put in 5 then get told if you want it back give us another 2.5 and you cant sit on the board.great deal. i dont see too many people rushing in to rescue the club.that's because it is not viable whils simpson and ashcroft watch it bleed to death.those of you with memories will remember this is what sugar did to venables rights issue only one party can afford it other party bye bye.well done jimmy if you put it into administration ashcroft loses 7 million i hope you buy it back for a pound.you and your brother are the only ones that ever cared. gt hang your head in shame you sold your soul to the devil once before (jack petchey) and now you are doing it again.i appreciate some of the more cranially challenged are going to give me hell,however please just calm down and listen to all of the interviews.can anyone see why jimmy should do what they are asking.please try to answer that question rather than rant

Holly68 wrote:

Billie wrote:

JamesA wrote:
Whatever the merits or otherwise of their case, I find the idea that the Russo's would let the club go into administration sickening. This is what they will be remembered for.

James, so the end justifies any means? Sorry, I don't buy that. Support the guys who supported us when we needed it. You'll have your opinion, I will have mine. It will all be down to opinion, but Jim and Vince stuck millions in at short notice when they did not create the problem. Let the majority shareholders who did create the problem do likewise. Let them put their money where their mouths are, as the Russo's did. We treated them shamefully before and we are doing the same again, and I want no part in it. This is transparent politicking. It is the majority shareholders letting the club go into administration.

Billie is right !!!

Plus what was the Russo's proposal ?

Were you part of the agenda also?
And for you to portray JR's anger through this medium is totally and utterly out of order!