Parking fears for Cassiobury Park users in Watford (From Watford Observer)

Whatever happens during the week, Saturdays must be exempted, as Watford fans have hardly anywhere within walking distance of the ground to park.

Why is it that the solution they come up with always COSTS motorists?Why pay road tax when every local council adds another charge to motoring.They should close the carpark and the station down....period and the problem stops,but oh no,theres no money to be had from that.That wont happen cos the snobs on the cassiobury want these two things(station/carpa
rk)as their own private assets,not to mention the park.If you live in a nice place,dont be surprised if everyone else wants a bit of the same.If you live near a public park,dont get the hump when the public come to the said park.

I live in Gade Avenue and the 2 hours morning/afternoon commuter-ban works well. The selfish minority who want residents permits should try moving to an area that has them first, they're a nightmare. They also won't be prepared for the 2-5% drop in house prices that restrictions cause.
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Stopping people parking on public roads should only be done when there is insufficient Off-street or On-street parking for residents, or for reasons of safety, this is clearly not the case in Cassiobury where restrictions are being brought in just to stop "scruffy" students parking on public roads.
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The inconsiderate parking by Woodland Drive residents at night-time is not addressed at all, residents bays and single yellow lines will still allow residents to park on both sides causing obstructions to emergency vehicles just as they do now. Fire engines will still have problems accessing Woodland Drive at night just as they do now.
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The badly conducted vehicle survey which counted all guests and tradesmen as problem commuters and students is badly flawed and as such has resulted in a scheme with far too few parking spaces for residents. Why should most residents be forced to pay for a permit AND be banned from parking outside their own homes.
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The roads in Cassiobury are NOT private, Cassiobury is not a private estate, as much as some people wish they were, and as such should be usable by anyone.
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A lot of money has been spent on the park and to deny people free and easy access to it is a disgrace.
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The shops on the estate are already suffering and to try to kill off their passing trade will have a negative impact.
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The selfish attitude of some Cassiobury residents wanting to turn the estate into a gated retirement village is totally out of character with the original family oriented vibrant community. Their attitude of entitlement not to their own driveways but the road outside their houses is shameful.
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Residents permit schemes should only be put in place when residents cannot park with-in reasonable distance of their own homes, and reasonable schemes would not allow residents with multi-car driveways to also apply for an On-street permit.
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Why have the council still not put the detailed maps of the scheme on the website despite promises by Davina Millichip that it Should have been done to weeks ago?
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fugu wrote:
I live in Gade Avenue and the 2 hours morning/afternoon commuter-ban works well. The selfish minority who want residents permits should try moving to an area that has them first, they're a nightmare. They also won't be prepared for the 2-5% drop in house prices that restrictions cause. - Stopping people parking on public roads should only be done when there is insufficient Off-street or On-street parking for residents, or for reasons of safety, this is clearly not the case in Cassiobury where restrictions are being brought in just to stop "scruffy" students parking on public roads. - The inconsiderate parking by Woodland Drive residents at night-time is not addressed at all, residents bays and single yellow lines will still allow residents to park on both sides causing obstructions to emergency vehicles just as they do now. Fire engines will still have problems accessing Woodland Drive at night just as they do now. - The badly conducted vehicle survey which counted all guests and tradesmen as problem commuters and students is badly flawed and as such has resulted in a scheme with far too few parking spaces for residents. Why should most residents be forced to pay for a permit AND be banned from parking outside their own homes. - The roads in Cassiobury are NOT private, Cassiobury is not a private estate, as much as some people wish they were, and as such should be usable by anyone. - A lot of money has been spent on the park and to deny people free and easy access to it is a disgrace. - The shops on the estate are already suffering and to try to kill off their passing trade will have a negative impact. - The selfish attitude of some Cassiobury residents wanting to turn the estate into a gated retirement village is totally out of character with the original family oriented vibrant community. Their attitude of entitlement not to their own driveways but the road outside their houses is shameful. - Residents permit schemes should only be put in place when residents cannot park with-in reasonable distance of their own homes, and reasonable schemes would not allow residents with multi-car driveways to also apply for an On-street permit. - Why have the council still not put the detailed maps of the scheme on the website despite promises by Davina Millichip that it Should have been done to weeks ago? -

@ralphinator:
Why should Watford fans get special treatment, if the restrictions are to stop commuters parking why shouldn't Watford fans suffer as well, they only need to park once a week, commuters generally travel 5 times a week. Also I've never known WFC to play either too early or too late for the fans not to use public transport, whereas some commuters are forced to drive as they need to leave home before the public transport starts.
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@RSIAP:
Don't be jealous, just because no-one's brave enough to park their car on Meriden in fear of having no car left on their return doesn't make Cassiobury residents snobs.
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Everyone should have to right to park outside their own home, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. Why should some commuter park outside instead? All residental streets should have controlled parking schemes, so that residents can park there.
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The easy solution is for the commuter's to commute the whole journey, i.e. not drive to the station. But for that to happen, the public transport needs to improve greatly, buses need to start earlier so the commuters can get to the station in time, and the trains/tube etc... need to be more reliable in tough times (like heavy rain/snow etc...). Until that is in place, the commuter can not be fully to blame for choosing to park near to the station. Of course, they should pay for parking, they choose to work where they work, and it is no-one elses fault that they work where they do. If they don't like it, TOUGH - they shouldn't of taken the job!!!
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@fugu:
The solution is easy, mark out parking spaces on the estate, with residents getting free parking via the residents parking badge scheme, but only if they don't have ample space for parking (for say 2 cars) on their property. Any remaining spaces can be used by commuters etc... via parking meters at a set hourly cost (I suggest £1 a hour). Commuters will be able to pay for the day in the morning, and allowing for an 8-hour working day and 2 hours travelling it will cost them £10 a day, this might make them consider using town centre car parks at lower rates and walk to the Met station. As for full-time students, it is unlikely they could afford to park there, and will join their buddies on public transport and/or walk, they should be fit enough!! :-) Where parking spaces would cause problems, for example at junctions or blocking emergency vechicles mark these areas with double yellow lines. Then ensure the parking regulations are enforced, thus creating some new jobs. As the meerkat would say, Simplez!!
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I would suggest to all, if public transport is available when you leave home, USE IT!!! That way, only those who have no option will need to drive and park their cars. As for other options, there are things called bicycles, you have feet to walk with, and using these to get to the station keeps you fit as well.

Rabi Martins and George Derbyshire where are you?

It's brilliant to see you at each others throats on this issue

Come on give us a laugh.

the main one, Ricky : I always knew you were a complete one but seeing how you try to gain the upper hand in a debate by putting down someones address is priceless.The majority of the estate is privately owned and i know of NO car crime and ive lived there 40 years,i dont even know anyone who has been burgled so your assumption like most of your ideas are way wide of correct
"Everyone should have to right to park outside their own home, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week"....WHY? and how does that work BRAINS if the household has say 4 or so cars?
What should happen is the met line closed in cassiobury and extended to the junction,then watch the snobby moaners bleat about walking to the junction(or driving).
"you have feet to walk with, and using these to get to the station keeps you fit as well." same goes for the lazy tw4ts who cant park outside their house....walk a bit.I live on the station at garston and getting parked can be a pain in the week but you dont hear anyone on the Meriden bleating on,so that says a lot about the cassiobury.It would be interesting if they only allowed two permits per household,then you would hear some belly aching .Like i said the people on the cassiobury believe its a private estate but it is in fact a public place,public park and public station....get over it.
One more thing is if the junction provided free parking,how many people from the cassiobury would drive to the junction when they needed a train?theres your friggin answer,doughnut.....

@RSIAP:
Good to see you doing your Homer Simpson impression again!!!
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I'm not putting down the Meriden at all, it has done that for itself over the years hence me moving from there 12 years ago, if you've lived there over 40 years and not heard of any car thefts or burglaries, then fair enough but I have heard of many instances, some of which have been reported in this newspaper, which you seem to enjoying reading. Maybe you missed it, I don't know!!!
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As for having the right to park outside your own house, why not, outside most houses there is generally enough space for one car (sometimes two), so why should it not be the occupants of the house that uses it. If those occupants have more cars than fit in the space, they can arrange for their garden to be concreted over and have a dropped-kerb put in, so they can drive into the garden. I think you'll find many have done that. Even if they have, and all theirs cars fit onto the concreted over garden, it doesn't give anyone else the right to park outside their home, it's not a matter of if the road is private or not, it is common decency not to invade someone's space, and to me 'my space' is my home, my driveway and dropped kerb, and that little stretch of road in front of my property. To be honest, if occupants have more cars than they have space for, TOUGH!! They should have thought about that before buying the cars, but I'm sure in most instances they can come to an arrangement with a neighbour or apply for extra residents parking badges. I understand some of your views, if a one car per property was in place it would reduce many problems, but then the average family would be in total turmoil, does dad use the car for work, does mum use it for the school run etc... it just won't work for families that have to have two or more cars. Like I said before, we need better and more reliable public transport, meaning dad could catch the bus to the train station, or mum could take the kids to school by bus, even better all primary school and junior school kids should be made to attend the nearest school, then they could all walk with or without mum. Secondary school kids should be old enough to travel alone, so then they can choose to attend schools that are further away.
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I myself have a simple way of stopping people parking outside my house - I tell them "it is a neighbourhood watch area and due to recent burglaries in the area we have to inform the Police of suspicious vehicles" - they soon move. If I don't see them parking up, I leave a note on their car saying similar, they never come back. It is a simple solution that Cassiobury residents could adopt, and not have enforced restrictions at all.
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There are lots of things that could be done, one is making every residential road an controlled parking zone where residents (and their visitors) can park at any time, and the remaining spaces can be purchased via a parking meter at an set hourly rate and create jobs by controlling it all properly. Others include having public transport that starts early enough so that people aren't forced to drive to the station, having public transport costs low enough to encourage more people to use it. I mean, look at the buses... you can travel from Watford to Brent Cross (142) or Harrow (258) for 90p with an Oyster Card, yet it costs £2 from North Watford to Watford Central on the 6 or 321, that needs looking at!!
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In my view, if I need to park somewhere other than my home, it is right that I have to pay for that parking because I have chosen to drive, just like others pay for choosing to use the bus. It isn't a problem, yes the cost of running the car is expensive and the cost of parking adds to that, but it is my choice to use the car, so I have to accept those costs. I would be financially better off if I used the bus, but the service isn't good enough for me to do so, so I am one of those without an option, hence suggesting earlier starting times for public transport.
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What if taxi fares were cheaper? If the cost of going in a taxi was less than driving for yourself, how many people would be able to survive without a car? But instead, the taxis are expensive, meaning your are better off with your own car.
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It all needs looking at, drivers get a hard time all round, high purchase prices, high fuel costs, gridlocked roads, parking costs etc... and told to use public transport when they can. Unfortunately, that public transport isn't good enough, so they is no 'can' about it.
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Another option is park and ride, where only commercial vehicles can enter the town centre and nearby area to supply shops, business etc... and all others have to use a bus.
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No one solution will be perfect for everyone, that's life, but anything that assists the majority has to be a good thing.
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As for free parking at Watford Junction, pull the other one, it has bells on!!!
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As for me being a doughnut...
...wasn't it you I saw at Krispy Kreme's buying a dozen!!! :-)

the main one wrote:
@RSIAP:
Good to see you doing your Homer Simpson impression again!!!
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I'm not putting down the Meriden at all, it has done that for itself over the years hence me moving from there 12 years ago, if you've lived there over 40 years and not heard of any car thefts or burglaries, then fair enough but I have heard of many instances, some of which have been reported in this newspaper, which you seem to enjoying reading. Maybe you missed it, I don't know!!!
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As for having the right to park outside your own house, why not, outside most houses there is generally enough space for one car (sometimes two), so why should it not be the occupants of the house that uses it. If those occupants have more cars than fit in the space, they can arrange for their garden to be concreted over and have a dropped-kerb put in, so they can drive into the garden. I think you'll find many have done that. Even if they have, and all theirs cars fit onto the concreted over garden, it doesn't give anyone else the right to park outside their home, it's not a matter of if the road is private or not, it is common decency not to invade someone's space, and to me 'my space' is my home, my driveway and dropped kerb, and that little stretch of road in front of my property. To be honest, if occupants have more cars than they have space for, TOUGH!! They should have thought about that before buying the cars, but I'm sure in most instances they can come to an arrangement with a neighbour or apply for extra residents parking badges. I understand some of your views, if a one car per property was in place it would reduce many problems, but then the average family would be in total turmoil, does dad use the car for work, does mum use it for the school run etc... it just won't work for families that have to have two or more cars. Like I said before, we need better and more reliable public transport, meaning dad could catch the bus to the train station, or mum could take the kids to school by bus, even better all primary school and junior school kids should be made to attend the nearest school, then they could all walk with or without mum. Secondary school kids should be old enough to travel alone, so then they can choose to attend schools that are further away.
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I myself have a simple way of stopping people parking outside my house - I tell them "it is a neighbourhood watch area and due to recent burglaries in the area we have to inform the Police of suspicious vehicles" - they soon move. If I don't see them parking up, I leave a note on their car saying similar, they never come back. It is a simple solution that Cassiobury residents could adopt, and not have enforced restrictions at all.
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There are lots of things that could be done, one is making every residential road an controlled parking zone where residents (and their visitors) can park at any time, and the remaining spaces can be purchased via a parking meter at an set hourly rate and create jobs by controlling it all properly. Others include having public transport that starts early enough so that people aren't forced to drive to the station, having public transport costs low enough to encourage more people to use it. I mean, look at the buses... you can travel from Watford to Brent Cross (142) or Harrow (258) for 90p with an Oyster Card, yet it costs £2 from North Watford to Watford Central on the 6 or 321, that needs looking at!!
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In my view, if I need to park somewhere other than my home, it is right that I have to pay for that parking because I have chosen to drive, just like others pay for choosing to use the bus. It isn't a problem, yes the cost of running the car is expensive and the cost of parking adds to that, but it is my choice to use the car, so I have to accept those costs. I would be financially better off if I used the bus, but the service isn't good enough for me to do so, so I am one of those without an option, hence suggesting earlier starting times for public transport.
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What if taxi fares were cheaper? If the cost of going in a taxi was less than driving for yourself, how many people would be able to survive without a car? But instead, the taxis are expensive, meaning your are better off with your own car.
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It all needs looking at, drivers get a hard time all round, high purchase prices, high fuel costs, gridlocked roads, parking costs etc... and told to use public transport when they can. Unfortunately, that public transport isn't good enough, so they is no 'can' about it.
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Another option is park and ride, where only commercial vehicles can enter the town centre and nearby area to supply shops, business etc... and all others have to use a bus.
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No one solution will be perfect for everyone, that's life, but anything that assists the majority has to be a good thing.
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As for free parking at Watford Junction, pull the other one, it has bells on!!!
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As for me being a doughnut...
...wasn't it you I saw at Krispy Kreme's buying a dozen!!! :-)

Fcuk me i would hate to be stuck in a lift with you,what a boring tw4t you are,fluent in utter drivel.
I thought krispy Kreme was at Tesco's,but hey i dont shop at any of the local Supers so i cant comment on where KK are situated but i can assure you mush,you did not see me.......hang on,was that you attempting humour...oh,ok...hah
ahahahaha.
You really are on another planet if you think a polite note on the windscreen will work.If i was asked not to park where i was perfectly entitled to,my reply would be short and ending in OFF,homer style and if you put a note on my windscreen you would be fishing it from you arris for days.
When you look out of your window,what colour is the sky?it certainlt aint blue.

Nobody has the right to park outside their own house, it is public highway. We live in a time when there are far more cars than there is space and we all have to share what space is available. If you've got a drive, use it fully - even it means you may have to reverse one car out to let another car in like I do. Actively trying to prevent others from parking outside your house is unbelievably small minded and selfish.

@RSIAP (Really Stupid Idiotic An*l Pr*ck):
Don't be jealous: Because I have intelligence and the ability to rise above your childish insults!
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@KellyP1978:
There is nothing small minded and selfish about wanting to have the space outside YOUR HOME the place to park YOUR CAR. We are talking about residental streets, surely it is acceptable that residents get to park in their own road. Surely you wouldn't want some idiot parking outside your house, half-blocking YOUR DRIVE all day every day, so why should anyone else have to put up with it.
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Not everyone has a drive, so why should they have to park elsewhere because some selfish c*nt parks outside their house.
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Maybe you should put your address here, so the commuters know where you want them to park!! :-)

@RSIAP (Really Stupid Idiotic An*l Pr*ck):
Don't be jealous: Because I have intelligence and the ability to rise above your childish insults!
The above speaks volumes about the sort of pr1ck you are,lol,then you come out with
"Not everyone has a drive, so why should they have to park elsewhere because some selfish c*nt parks outside their house."
Hypocryte of the highest order and the Meriden is a better place without such no-mark w4nkers like yourself..

you bore me................sh
oo

@RSIAP/KellyP1978:
I agree with 'the main one', Why should anyone have to park away from their own home because a commuter parks in front of their home?
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No doubt those commuters would hate to arrive home and can't park outside their own home, so why should they park outside someone's elses home!!
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It really is just 'common decancy' not to park outside someone's home, something many commuters don't have!!
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I'm sure some commuters have no choice but to use their cars, but the ones that have a choice should consider those choices. I mean, half empty buses stuck in rush-hour traffic, that's around 30 spare seats for 30 lone car drivers!! The commuters should be more considerate to everyone.
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@the main one:
While you shouldn't be rude to fellow commenters (even if they are dumb), I really like the way you used RSIAP's initial to describe him perfectly!! LOL!!

@the main one:
While you shouldn't be rude to fellow commenters (even if they are dumb), I really like the way you used RSIAP's initial to describe him perfectly!! LOL!!
Maybe you can decipher the last bit as you seem to be as stupid as the little one.
I know you want me to rise to you but just like your husband.....i cant.....sorry.