Football League accuses former Watford FC owner Laurence Bassini and the Hornets of misconduct

Picture: Pippa Douglas

Picture: Pippa Douglas

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Both former owner of Watford FC Laurence Bassini and the club have been charged with misconduct by the Football League.

The charge relates to alleged breaches of the Football League’s regulations regarding two separate transactions that are said to have taken place in 2011 between the Hornets and a finance company called LNOC Limited.

One of the alleged transactions concerns two transfer instalments following Danny Graham’s move to Swansea City and the other is for two promissory notes worth £1.8m.

Yesterday, solicitors acting for Mr Bassini said the matter would be “defended vigorously”.

The league became concerned after Watford attempted to enter into a finance agreement earlier this year with a company (not LNOC) that was going to buy promissory notes from Watford for money the club was due to receive from Bolton Wanderers for the sale of Marvin Sordell.

When the Hornets and Mr Bassini approached the Football League about this agreement, the governing body claims it made it clear such an arrangement would need its approval.

Although the Sordell finance deal did not go ahead, the Football League says it then became aware Watford had allegedly failed to reveal two similar agreements were already in place with LNOC.

One involved a transaction between the Hornets and LNOC Limited relating to the final two instalments of Danny Graham’s transfer fee from Swansea, each worth £500,000.

The Football League claims Watford breached regulation 44.2 on two counts relating to the Graham/LNOC Limited deal, as the club had an obligation to provide the governing body with a copy of the contractual document and because the agreement needed the League’s approval. Both of which, it is claimed, did not happen.

The Hornets and Mr Bassini are also accused of breaching regulation 48.1, which relates to third party investments, because they did not receive the League’s consent.

Swansea subsequently paid the first £500,000 instalment into the Football League’s transfer account, which clubs are obliged to do.

The governing body claims that when it asked Watford if an agreement with LNOC Limited existed, it was told it did not and the money was subsequently paid to the Hornets.

The second instalment was then paid directly to Watford several months later, in February 2012.

It is said LNOC Limited then threatened Swansea with legal proceedings as the finance company had not received the money.

The Football League intervened and money Watford was due to receive this year from the governing body was paid to Swansea for that club to pass on to LNOC.

The second transaction also relates to LNOC. It is claimed Watford agreed to two promissory notes each worth £900,000, a total of £1.8m, in return for a £1.66m advance from the finance company.

In relation to the promissory notes, it is claimed Watford and LNOC signed a further agreement that would entitle the finance company to £1.8m of the Hornets’ money from the Football League ‘pool’ account, if the two notes were not paid.

The Football League claims Watford should have notified it about the second LNOC agreement within 24 hours and failure to do so was a breach of regulation 19.

If clubs sign an agreement in which a third party is set to receive some, or all, of its money from the Football League pool account, it is subject to a transfer embargo during which it cannot sign players without prior consent from the governing body until that agreement has been concluded.

That would have meant Watford should have been under a transfer embargo from September 2011 and would have needed Football League permission to sign players.

The Football League believes the circumstances surrounding payment of the Graham transfer money could have caused significant prejudice to clubs and the image of professional football.

It has charged Watford and Mr Bassini with misconduct.

It is also seeking to disqualify the former owner from being a director of a club for a period of time to be determined.

Solicitors acting for Mr Bassini said: “We are not instructed by Mr Bassini in relation to the proceedings commenced by the Football League however we understand from our client these matters are currently the subject of legal action and are being defended vigorously and he is therefore unable to comment further”.

The Football League declined to comment when asked this week.

Watford intimated, when questioned by the Watford Observer, that it would be inappropriate to comment on this matter at the current time.

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8:16am Fri 30 Nov 12

The Rover says...

I take it this could lead to a points deduction? Very unfair if it does, but similar has happened to other clubs. The way we are playing at the moment we could probably reach the play offs, even with a 10 point deduction
I take it this could lead to a points deduction? Very unfair if it does, but similar has happened to other clubs. The way we are playing at the moment we could probably reach the play offs, even with a 10 point deduction The Rover
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8:17am Fri 30 Nov 12

Holly68 says...

Just read Wobby this morning, dont sound too good

Based on Wobby Story : 

We took a loan out with a company called LNOC for a cash advance for two Danny Graham payment instalments from Swansea a total  of £1M.   We didn't tell Football league of this loan. We didn't pay LNOC back, they had to claim this back from FL.  

We then took a further loan of £1.66M from LNOC on premise of FL (TV ?) money. Again we didnt tell FL about loan.

Under FL rules, we should've been under a transfer embargo since Sept 11 !! Until loans cleared

Then we tried to get a third loan for Marvin Sordell, FL asked if we had any other loans, we said No, which wasn't true.  Loan didn't go through !

So we've lied to FL, therefore shouldn't of been able to sign players since Sept 11

Sanctions ??????

Maybe we can prove he didn't act in best interests of #wfc using the latest set of accounts as testament to this

FL approved his tenure 

This is IF the WO have got the story accurate.

Have these LOANS to LNOC now been paid off ?

Should we still be under transfer embargo ? Or are we clear now ?

Who did we sign between Sept 11 and June 12 ? (only Jan Transfer window and loan players)

What are the FL guidelines on possible sanctions (if proven)

So we got £2.5M up front from LNOC, we are owed £1.5M, £568k taken for pub renovation, as all reported in Wobby and Accounts, so the financial hole deepens to £4.5M

Be interesting to see if this is true or just allegations rumours, and he has every right to defend himself

I hope the club (ie. Fans) are not punished .... Just when we thought it was safe to go back in the water

IN POZZO's WE TRUST
Just read Wobby this morning, dont sound too good Based on Wobby Story :  We took a loan out with a company called LNOC for a cash advance for two Danny Graham payment instalments from Swansea a total  of £1M.   We didn't tell Football league of this loan. We didn't pay LNOC back, they had to claim this back from FL.   We then took a further loan of £1.66M from LNOC on premise of FL (TV ?) money. Again we didnt tell FL about loan. Under FL rules, we should've been under a transfer embargo since Sept 11 !! Until loans cleared Then we tried to get a third loan for Marvin Sordell, FL asked if we had any other loans, we said No, which wasn't true.  Loan didn't go through ! So we've lied to FL, therefore shouldn't of been able to sign players since Sept 11 Sanctions ?????? Maybe we can prove he didn't act in best interests of #wfc using the latest set of accounts as testament to this FL approved his tenure  This is IF the WO have got the story accurate. Have these LOANS to LNOC now been paid off ? Should we still be under transfer embargo ? Or are we clear now ? Who did we sign between Sept 11 and June 12 ? (only Jan Transfer window and loan players) What are the FL guidelines on possible sanctions (if proven) So we got £2.5M up front from LNOC, we are owed £1.5M, £568k taken for pub renovation, as all reported in Wobby and Accounts, so the financial hole deepens to £4.5M Be interesting to see if this is true or just allegations rumours, and he has every right to defend himself I hope the club (ie. Fans) are not punished .... Just when we thought it was safe to go back in the water IN POZZO's WE TRUST Holly68
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8:17am Fri 30 Nov 12

JohnnyHornet says...

Yeah, the bit that concerns me is " it may have prejudiced other clubs" definitely a point deduction I feel. well it would appear that old Baz wasn't whiter than white after all !!!!!!!!!!
Yeah, the bit that concerns me is " it may have prejudiced other clubs" definitely a point deduction I feel. well it would appear that old Baz wasn't whiter than white after all !!!!!!!!!! JohnnyHornet
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8:22am Fri 30 Nov 12

UndercoverElephant says...

LNOC Limited Directors are Nicholas Francis and Lesley Francis. Mean anything to anyone?
LNOC Limited Directors are Nicholas Francis and Lesley Francis. Mean anything to anyone? UndercoverElephant
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8:23am Fri 30 Nov 12

JohnnyHornet says...

As a secondary thought wasn't there a rumour at the beginning of the season about a transfer embargo being in place and the FL gave us the all clear ? , if the dates are correct then they knew about the alleged shenanigans prior to clearing us to sign the current horns. If things are still not right why did they allow us to take the new lads.
As a secondary thought wasn't there a rumour at the beginning of the season about a transfer embargo being in place and the FL gave us the all clear ? , if the dates are correct then they knew about the alleged shenanigans prior to clearing us to sign the current horns. If things are still not right why did they allow us to take the new lads. JohnnyHornet
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8:25am Fri 30 Nov 12

Only 2 Ross Jenkins says...

We were subject to a transfer embargo this summer I believe which implies that the football league and Pozzos knew about this during the takeover. I assume therefore that it is only the period from Sept 2011 to July 2012 that the embargo should have been active. The football league gave us approval for all the transfers in the summer, which means that any gain we may have received was surely for last season only. I suspect that the new regime knew about this issue all along and expected this to come to light, and have most likely been 100% co-operative with the FL to get it sorted. What was GT (and others like Timperley) doing whilst all this was going on? I can only assume he/they were totally oblivious to any conversations and promises made between Bassini and the FL. Can the WO give GT a call to find out more?
We were subject to a transfer embargo this summer I believe which implies that the football league and Pozzos knew about this during the takeover. I assume therefore that it is only the period from Sept 2011 to July 2012 that the embargo should have been active. The football league gave us approval for all the transfers in the summer, which means that any gain we may have received was surely for last season only. I suspect that the new regime knew about this issue all along and expected this to come to light, and have most likely been 100% co-operative with the FL to get it sorted. What was GT (and others like Timperley) doing whilst all this was going on? I can only assume he/they were totally oblivious to any conversations and promises made between Bassini and the FL. Can the WO give GT a call to find out more? Only 2 Ross Jenkins
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8:37am Fri 30 Nov 12

Holly68 says...

Only 2 Ross Jenkins wrote:
We were subject to a transfer embargo this summer I believe which implies that the football league and Pozzos knew about this during the takeover. I assume therefore that it is only the period from Sept 2011 to July 2012 that the embargo should have been active. The football league gave us approval for all the transfers in the summer, which means that any gain we may have received was surely for last season only. I suspect that the new regime knew about this issue all along and expected this to come to light, and have most likely been 100% co-operative with the FL to get it sorted. What was GT (and others like Timperley) doing whilst all this was going on? I can only assume he/they were totally oblivious to any conversations and promises made between Bassini and the FL. Can the WO give GT a call to find out more?
I think you will find, based on previous reports in Wobby, that he never turned up for management meetings and wouldn't talk business with GT & Co ...

What would of happened if no Pozzo's
(Pompey all over ?)

Timperley and Frandsen got the takeover on track after he threw toys out the pram (remember his phones to Wobby)

And amid all this, what about the money still owed to Ashcroft & Co

LOTS AND LOTS of QUESTIONS

Will take weeks and months to resolve I guess

I just hope we are not as fans punished !!!!!

Anyway this is outside our (fans) influence circle, the new management have the resources to defend us properly I am sure
[quote][p][bold]Only 2 Ross Jenkins[/bold] wrote: We were subject to a transfer embargo this summer I believe which implies that the football league and Pozzos knew about this during the takeover. I assume therefore that it is only the period from Sept 2011 to July 2012 that the embargo should have been active. The football league gave us approval for all the transfers in the summer, which means that any gain we may have received was surely for last season only. I suspect that the new regime knew about this issue all along and expected this to come to light, and have most likely been 100% co-operative with the FL to get it sorted. What was GT (and others like Timperley) doing whilst all this was going on? I can only assume he/they were totally oblivious to any conversations and promises made between Bassini and the FL. Can the WO give GT a call to find out more?[/p][/quote]I think you will find, based on previous reports in Wobby, that he never turned up for management meetings and wouldn't talk business with GT & Co ... What would of happened if no Pozzo's (Pompey all over ?) Timperley and Frandsen got the takeover on track after he threw toys out the pram (remember his phones to Wobby) And amid all this, what about the money still owed to Ashcroft & Co LOTS AND LOTS of QUESTIONS Will take weeks and months to resolve I guess I just hope we are not as fans punished !!!!! Anyway this is outside our (fans) influence circle, the new management have the resources to defend us properly I am sure Holly68
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9:02am Fri 30 Nov 12

Bringe says...

Points can't be deducted retrospectively but it would be very harsh indeed to punish the current regime in such a manner and I would expect a fine. As far as I can see we haven't sign anyone while under any sort of embargo however it wouldn't excuse the club/Bassini for not putting the facts on the table if that is the case.... "Significant" prejudice to other clubs is unlikely considering our mid table finish as there were no big signings but just a couple of bog standard young player loans and despite Tom Cleverly emergence since, he was nowhere near Uniteds first team when we borrowed him.
Points can't be deducted retrospectively but it would be very harsh indeed to punish the current regime in such a manner and I would expect a fine. As far as I can see we haven't sign anyone while under any sort of embargo however it wouldn't excuse the club/Bassini for not putting the facts on the table if that is the case.... "Significant" prejudice to other clubs is unlikely considering our mid table finish as there were no big signings but just a couple of bog standard young player loans and despite Tom Cleverly emergence since, he was nowhere near Uniteds first team when we borrowed him. Bringe
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9:05am Fri 30 Nov 12

sceptic says...

All this makes Jack Petchey seem like a philanthropist!!
All this makes Jack Petchey seem like a philanthropist!! sceptic
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9:11am Fri 30 Nov 12

mkhornet says...

Bringe wrote:
Points can't be deducted retrospectively but it would be very harsh indeed to punish the current regime in such a manner and I would expect a fine. As far as I can see we haven't sign anyone while under any sort of embargo however it wouldn't excuse the club/Bassini for not putting the facts on the table if that is the case.... "Significant" prejudice to other clubs is unlikely considering our mid table finish as there were no big signings but just a couple of bog standard young player loans and despite Tom Cleverly emergence since, he was nowhere near Uniteds first team when we borrowed him.
It might seem harsh to hit the new owners with a points deduction but L*t*n were under new ownership and they were hit with a points deduction because of the transgressions of a previous regime so I wouldn't count it out. Will be interesting to see the clubs comments when they make a statement, I hope that this doesn't effect the long term plan, whatever the punishment.
[quote][p][bold]Bringe[/bold] wrote: Points can't be deducted retrospectively but it would be very harsh indeed to punish the current regime in such a manner and I would expect a fine. As far as I can see we haven't sign anyone while under any sort of embargo however it wouldn't excuse the club/Bassini for not putting the facts on the table if that is the case.... "Significant" prejudice to other clubs is unlikely considering our mid table finish as there were no big signings but just a couple of bog standard young player loans and despite Tom Cleverly emergence since, he was nowhere near Uniteds first team when we borrowed him.[/p][/quote]It might seem harsh to hit the new owners with a points deduction but L*t*n were under new ownership and they were hit with a points deduction because of the transgressions of a previous regime so I wouldn't count it out. Will be interesting to see the clubs comments when they make a statement, I hope that this doesn't effect the long term plan, whatever the punishment. mkhornet
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9:13am Fri 30 Nov 12

UndercoverElephant says...

I hope that the Red Lion is even emptier than usual this week. Bas on the front and the back page of the Observer, all for the wrong reasons.
I hope that the Red Lion is even emptier than usual this week. Bas on the front and the back page of the Observer, all for the wrong reasons. UndercoverElephant
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9:30am Fri 30 Nov 12

Holly68 says...

UndercoverElephant wrote:
I hope that the Red Lion is even emptier than usual this week. Bas on the front and the back page of the Observer, all for the wrong reasons.
The Red Lion (according to the accounts) hasn't been transferred yet.

However Bassini is claiming it is his and charging the management of the pub a rent or lease fee

I hope the club keep the pub now and lease it to to the management of the pub

The pub has brought alot of fans together recently, and the management of the pub have done no wrong, so of we boycott we end up punishing people who've done no wrong, and lose the camaraderie built up recently

If I were the pub management, I would worry if the transfer does go through based on all this news that alleges things might not have been done in accordance with FL rules etc
[quote][p][bold]UndercoverElephant[/bold] wrote: I hope that the Red Lion is even emptier than usual this week. Bas on the front and the back page of the Observer, all for the wrong reasons.[/p][/quote]The Red Lion (according to the accounts) hasn't been transferred yet. However Bassini is claiming it is his and charging the management of the pub a rent or lease fee I hope the club keep the pub now and lease it to to the management of the pub The pub has brought alot of fans together recently, and the management of the pub have done no wrong, so of we boycott we end up punishing people who've done no wrong, and lose the camaraderie built up recently If I were the pub management, I would worry if the transfer does go through based on all this news that alleges things might not have been done in accordance with FL rules etc Holly68
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9:34am Fri 30 Nov 12

Holly68 says...

Note : everyone is innocent until proven guilty, so this is all still unproven
Note : everyone is innocent until proven guilty, so this is all still unproven Holly68
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9:36am Fri 30 Nov 12

AngelHornet says...

I just hope it all gets sorted quickly so that we know where we are, and what we have to do in terms of pushing for promotion....if that is possible!
I just hope it all gets sorted quickly so that we know where we are, and what we have to do in terms of pushing for promotion....if that is possible! AngelHornet
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9:36am Fri 30 Nov 12

The Rover says...

Holly68 wrote:
UndercoverElephant wrote:
I hope that the Red Lion is even emptier than usual this week. Bas on the front and the back page of the Observer, all for the wrong reasons.
The Red Lion (according to the accounts) hasn't been transferred yet.

However Bassini is claiming it is his and charging the management of the pub a rent or lease fee

I hope the club keep the pub now and lease it to to the management of the pub

The pub has brought alot of fans together recently, and the management of the pub have done no wrong, so of we boycott we end up punishing people who've done no wrong, and lose the camaraderie built up recently

If I were the pub management, I would worry if the transfer does go through based on all this news that alleges things might not have been done in accordance with FL rules etc
The pubs management must be at an absolute loss as to who their landlord is and who they pay their rent to!
[quote][p][bold]Holly68[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]UndercoverElephant[/bold] wrote: I hope that the Red Lion is even emptier than usual this week. Bas on the front and the back page of the Observer, all for the wrong reasons.[/p][/quote]The Red Lion (according to the accounts) hasn't been transferred yet. However Bassini is claiming it is his and charging the management of the pub a rent or lease fee I hope the club keep the pub now and lease it to to the management of the pub The pub has brought alot of fans together recently, and the management of the pub have done no wrong, so of we boycott we end up punishing people who've done no wrong, and lose the camaraderie built up recently If I were the pub management, I would worry if the transfer does go through based on all this news that alleges things might not have been done in accordance with FL rules etc[/p][/quote]The pubs management must be at an absolute loss as to who their landlord is and who they pay their rent to! The Rover
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9:42am Fri 30 Nov 12

craig239 says...

The monies for these transfers was owed. The arrangements were a cashflow situation.Why would the football league be worried or have a rule to stop this. They sanctioned Bazsanni to takeover therefore the blame sits with him and them. Not the fans not the club today. End of.
Bazsanni is probably how he spells his name now!!
The monies for these transfers was owed. The arrangements were a cashflow situation.Why would the football league be worried or have a rule to stop this. They sanctioned Bazsanni to takeover therefore the blame sits with him and them. Not the fans not the club today. End of. Bazsanni is probably how he spells his name now!! craig239
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9:44am Fri 30 Nov 12

andyhooked says...

Points have been deducted before for action taken under previous management. Is this the end of what was looking to be a promising season? Bassini was the sole owner but WFC had a board of directors. If the board were kept in the complete dark then I just hope that Bassini can bee found in breach of Companies Act provisions and can be found to have committed a criminal breach of the Act. Then on the other hand the board members may be considered not to have challenged alleged breaches of FL Regs. So frustrating that we do not know where the truth lies at present and now have possibly months of uncertainty ahead despite all the good things happening on the pitch.
Points have been deducted before for action taken under previous management. Is this the end of what was looking to be a promising season? Bassini was the sole owner but WFC had a board of directors. If the board were kept in the complete dark then I just hope that Bassini can bee found in breach of Companies Act provisions and can be found to have committed a criminal breach of the Act. Then on the other hand the board members may be considered not to have challenged alleged breaches of FL Regs. So frustrating that we do not know where the truth lies at present and now have possibly months of uncertainty ahead despite all the good things happening on the pitch. andyhooked
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9:47am Fri 30 Nov 12

UndercoverElephant says...

The Rover wrote:
Holly68 wrote:
UndercoverElephant wrote:
I hope that the Red Lion is even emptier than usual this week. Bas on the front and the back page of the Observer, all for the wrong reasons.
The Red Lion (according to the accounts) hasn't been transferred yet.

However Bassini is claiming it is his and charging the management of the pub a rent or lease fee

I hope the club keep the pub now and lease it to to the management of the pub

The pub has brought alot of fans together recently, and the management of the pub have done no wrong, so of we boycott we end up punishing people who've done no wrong, and lose the camaraderie built up recently

If I were the pub management, I would worry if the transfer does go through based on all this news that alleges things might not have been done in accordance with FL rules etc
The pubs management must be at an absolute loss as to who their landlord is and who they pay their rent to!
The WO says that the pub was given to Bas by the Pozzo family on June 29. So, again, something Bas has had a hand in isn't quite right.

I agree the pub is good for the club and it's fans, but as long as there is a chance that Bas is involved, then I'll be staying away.

Hopefully, the FL will succeed in banning him from any further Directorships in football.
[quote][p][bold]The Rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Holly68[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]UndercoverElephant[/bold] wrote: I hope that the Red Lion is even emptier than usual this week. Bas on the front and the back page of the Observer, all for the wrong reasons.[/p][/quote]The Red Lion (according to the accounts) hasn't been transferred yet. However Bassini is claiming it is his and charging the management of the pub a rent or lease fee I hope the club keep the pub now and lease it to to the management of the pub The pub has brought alot of fans together recently, and the management of the pub have done no wrong, so of we boycott we end up punishing people who've done no wrong, and lose the camaraderie built up recently If I were the pub management, I would worry if the transfer does go through based on all this news that alleges things might not have been done in accordance with FL rules etc[/p][/quote]The pubs management must be at an absolute loss as to who their landlord is and who they pay their rent to![/p][/quote]The WO says that the pub was given to Bas by the Pozzo family on June 29. So, again, something Bas has had a hand in isn't quite right. I agree the pub is good for the club and it's fans, but as long as there is a chance that Bas is involved, then I'll be staying away. Hopefully, the FL will succeed in banning him from any further Directorships in football. UndercoverElephant
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10:18am Fri 30 Nov 12

overhere says...

sceptic wrote:
All this makes Jack Petchey seem like a philanthropist!!
Actually he is a philanthropist. Why go on about someone who not only was chairman 20 years ago, he actually ran the club like a business and wasn't prepared to throw money into a bottomless pit, the stands were part paid fro by the Dyer and Furlong transfers but Perryman and Roeder did manage to sign players. He got a bad press because he didn't appear ambitious yet he never ruined the club either unlike more than one regime since his time.
[quote][p][bold]sceptic[/bold] wrote: All this makes Jack Petchey seem like a philanthropist!![/p][/quote]Actually he is a philanthropist. Why go on about someone who not only was chairman 20 years ago, he actually ran the club like a business and wasn't prepared to throw money into a bottomless pit, the stands were part paid fro by the Dyer and Furlong transfers but Perryman and Roeder did manage to sign players. He got a bad press because he didn't appear ambitious yet he never ruined the club either unlike more than one regime since his time. overhere
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10:22am Fri 30 Nov 12

Roy Stockdill says...

All these latest revelations lead me to suggest that they should invite Harry Redknapp's dog to take over the club.

After all, from what we learnt during Harry's tax evasion trial the pooch appears to be more of a financial wizard than most of the people running football clubs!
All these latest revelations lead me to suggest that they should invite Harry Redknapp's dog to take over the club. After all, from what we learnt during Harry's tax evasion trial the pooch appears to be more of a financial wizard than most of the people running football clubs! Roy Stockdill
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10:29am Fri 30 Nov 12

Andrew1963 says...

What i don't understand is why the football authorities and the previous owners sanctioned the sale to Bassini - A leopard does not change it's spots - as soon as his name was mentioned keyboard warriors had revealed his less than normal financial/business past.
What i don't understand is why the football authorities and the previous owners sanctioned the sale to Bassini - A leopard does not change it's spots - as soon as his name was mentioned keyboard warriors had revealed his less than normal financial/business past. Andrew1963
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10:38am Fri 30 Nov 12

Mickey Quinn, not so thin says...

andyhooked wrote:
Points have been deducted before for action taken under previous management. Is this the end of what was looking to be a promising season? Bassini was the sole owner but WFC had a board of directors. If the board were kept in the complete dark then I just hope that Bassini can bee found in breach of Companies Act provisions and can be found to have committed a criminal breach of the Act. Then on the other hand the board members may be considered not to have challenged alleged breaches of FL Regs. So frustrating that we do not know where the truth lies at present and now have possibly months of uncertainty ahead despite all the good things happening on the pitch.
The issue may well be how many points. Could we be in a relegation scrap ? Could we be automatically relegated ? Is there a precedent for this type of non-compliance ? One thing is certain, if we are found guilty (and if the wobbly's info is correct there can't be too much dispute) we will be punished.
[quote][p][bold]andyhooked[/bold] wrote: Points have been deducted before for action taken under previous management. Is this the end of what was looking to be a promising season? Bassini was the sole owner but WFC had a board of directors. If the board were kept in the complete dark then I just hope that Bassini can bee found in breach of Companies Act provisions and can be found to have committed a criminal breach of the Act. Then on the other hand the board members may be considered not to have challenged alleged breaches of FL Regs. So frustrating that we do not know where the truth lies at present and now have possibly months of uncertainty ahead despite all the good things happening on the pitch.[/p][/quote]The issue may well be how many points. Could we be in a relegation scrap ? Could we be automatically relegated ? Is there a precedent for this type of non-compliance ? One thing is certain, if we are found guilty (and if the wobbly's info is correct there can't be too much dispute) we will be punished. Mickey Quinn, not so thin
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10:39am Fri 30 Nov 12

Roy Stockdill says...

>LNOC Limited Directors are Nicholas Francis and Lesley Francis. Mean anything to anyone?<

Full name NICHOLAS ROOSE FRANCIS, aged 53, a director of companies since he was 34 (3 of which were dissolved), involved with architectural and engineering activities, director of LNOC since September 2010.

From the internet website www.duedil.com/compa
ny/07386842/lnoc-lim
ited

"Lnoc Limited was registered on 24 Sep 2010 with its registered office in Surrey. The business has a status of active. They were founded by Nicholas Francis, and Lesley Francis. There are 2 shareholders of Lnoc Limited. They have no known group companies. No annual accounts have been filed as the company is either too young or exempt from filing accounts."

Company address:
HEATHROW BUSINESS CENTRE
65 HIGH STREET
EGHAM
TW20 9EY
GB
>LNOC Limited Directors are Nicholas Francis and Lesley Francis. Mean anything to anyone?< Full name NICHOLAS ROOSE FRANCIS, aged 53, a director of companies since he was 34 (3 of which were dissolved), involved with architectural and engineering activities, director of LNOC since September 2010. From the internet website www.duedil.com/compa ny/07386842/lnoc-lim ited "Lnoc Limited was registered on 24 Sep 2010 with its registered office in Surrey. The business has a status of active. They were founded by Nicholas Francis, and Lesley Francis. There are 2 shareholders of Lnoc Limited. They have no known group companies. No annual accounts have been filed as the company is either too young or exempt from filing accounts." Company address: HEATHROW BUSINESS CENTRE 65 HIGH STREET EGHAM TW20 9EY GB Roy Stockdill
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10:43am Fri 30 Nov 12

Engineer1 says...

This is going to get worse. Cheerleaders for Baz have a lot to think about this morning.

So he passed the 'fit and proper' test to run a club? As has been shown, that's fairly meaningless.

There will be further investigations into Baz's activities at Watford. Do not be surprised if it turns into a criminal investigation.
This is going to get worse. Cheerleaders for Baz have a lot to think about this morning. So he passed the 'fit and proper' test to run a club? As has been shown, that's fairly meaningless. There will be further investigations into Baz's activities at Watford. Do not be surprised if it turns into a criminal investigation. Engineer1
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10:53am Fri 30 Nov 12

londomollari says...

I am certainly seriously concerned. From what happened at L***n, the punishment for infringements is not altered, even if the ownership/directors/
administration are different. From the wording, it does sound serious enough for a points deduction. However, the infringements at L***n were more serious, I believe.
Off hand, can't remember L****'s detailed punishment----.
I am in the rather odd situation of hoping Baz's solicitors prove no wrongdoing.
I am certainly seriously concerned. From what happened at L***n, the punishment for infringements is not altered, even if the ownership/directors/ administration are different. From the wording, it does sound serious enough for a points deduction. However, the infringements at L***n were more serious, I believe. Off hand, can't remember L****'s detailed punishment----. I am in the rather odd situation of hoping Baz's solicitors prove no wrongdoing. londomollari
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10:56am Fri 30 Nov 12

tommy gunn says...

Based upon the FL decisions on previous clubs transgressions it seems inevitable that a points deduction will follow if the case against the club is proved.Another fine mess Laurence has got us into.
Based upon the FL decisions on previous clubs transgressions it seems inevitable that a points deduction will follow if the case against the club is proved.Another fine mess Laurence has got us into. tommy gunn
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11:02am Fri 30 Nov 12

chrisptrifle says...

Roy Stockdill wrote:
All these latest revelations lead me to suggest that they should invite Harry Redknapp's dog to take over the club.

After all, from what we learnt during Harry's tax evasion trial the pooch appears to be more of a financial wizard than most of the people running football clubs!
Just to remind you that Bassini no longer owns the club. This article refers to events which happened in the past. I cant comment on Harrys dogs financial nous.
[quote][p][bold]Roy Stockdill[/bold] wrote: All these latest revelations lead me to suggest that they should invite Harry Redknapp's dog to take over the club. After all, from what we learnt during Harry's tax evasion trial the pooch appears to be more of a financial wizard than most of the people running football clubs![/p][/quote]Just to remind you that Bassini no longer owns the club. This article refers to events which happened in the past. I cant comment on Harrys dogs financial nous. chrisptrifle
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11:14am Fri 30 Nov 12

craig239 says...

Ok he did break rule 44.2.2 if he didn't ask for Football League approval of the deal.Therefore we are potentially liable to the sanctions in Rule 9 fine ,points deduction or expulsion from the league!! However there are other cases like Cardiff so I think we will be fined.

It all gets very interesting. I think the reason he didn't tell the football league was that this would signal he was running out of money. The reason he did the deal with LNOC

So who was bank rolling this and who took there money away?
Ok he did break rule 44.2.2 if he didn't ask for Football League approval of the deal.Therefore we are potentially liable to the sanctions in Rule 9 fine ,points deduction or expulsion from the league!! However there are other cases like Cardiff so I think we will be fined. It all gets very interesting. I think the reason he didn't tell the football league was that this would signal he was running out of money. The reason he did the deal with LNOC So who was bank rolling this and who took there money away? craig239
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11:17am Fri 30 Nov 12

palmeris60 says...

Not sure who undercover elephant is but wonder if he would like someone to suggest to others to boycott his business if he had one! The pub was transferred to LB after the accounting issue date.Josh Price & Dave pay the money to LB monthly under the terms of the lease with an option to buy next year. Since the pub opened it's brought countless numbers of Watford & Saracens fans together. We've had great legends already visit and feedback from fans has been tremendous.I would suggest to undercover elephant that he pops into the pub and has a word with either Neil or Josh.
Not sure who undercover elephant is but wonder if he would like someone to suggest to others to boycott his business if he had one! The pub was transferred to LB after the accounting issue date.Josh Price & Dave pay the money to LB monthly under the terms of the lease with an option to buy next year. Since the pub opened it's brought countless numbers of Watford & Saracens fans together. We've had great legends already visit and feedback from fans has been tremendous.I would suggest to undercover elephant that he pops into the pub and has a word with either Neil or Josh. palmeris60
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11:25am Fri 30 Nov 12

In GT We Trust says...

Andrew1963 wrote:
What i don't understand is why the football authorities and the previous owners sanctioned the sale to Bassini - A leopard does not change it's spots - as soon as his name was mentioned keyboard warriors had revealed his less than normal financial/business past.
That's a fair question with regard to the authorities. The previous owners sanctioned it because Lord Ashcroft wanted his money out and someone was offering to pay.
[quote][p][bold]Andrew1963[/bold] wrote: What i don't understand is why the football authorities and the previous owners sanctioned the sale to Bassini - A leopard does not change it's spots - as soon as his name was mentioned keyboard warriors had revealed his less than normal financial/business past.[/p][/quote]That's a fair question with regard to the authorities. The previous owners sanctioned it because Lord Ashcroft wanted his money out and someone was offering to pay. In GT We Trust
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11:25am Fri 30 Nov 12

DuffmanWFC says...

Best thing is not to panic and for the current owners/board/manager
/players and fans to keep doing what we are doing and supporting the Watford cause and picking up points each game!
From there we would have to see what happens! What is in our favour is that we have new owners who wernt aware of this and they have a credible football club ownership history!
The club has brought this to light by the stance is made against that crook Baz this week!
I believe that we can plead to the league our case of innocence and our honest judgement of doing the right thing!
We may get a fine or a small points deduction at worst!
Best thing is not to panic and for the current owners/board/manager /players and fans to keep doing what we are doing and supporting the Watford cause and picking up points each game! From there we would have to see what happens! What is in our favour is that we have new owners who wernt aware of this and they have a credible football club ownership history! The club has brought this to light by the stance is made against that crook Baz this week! I believe that we can plead to the league our case of innocence and our honest judgement of doing the right thing! We may get a fine or a small points deduction at worst! DuffmanWFC
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11:27am Fri 30 Nov 12

Holly68 says...

palmeris60 wrote:
Not sure who undercover elephant is but wonder if he would like someone to suggest to others to boycott his business if he had one! The pub was transferred to LB after the accounting issue date.Josh Price &amp; Dave pay the money to LB monthly under the terms of the lease with an option to buy next year. Since the pub opened it's brought countless numbers of Watford &amp; Saracens fans together. We've had great legends already visit and feedback from fans has been tremendous.I would suggest to undercover elephant that he pops into the pub and has a word with either Neil or Josh.
Agreed we shouldn't boycott as management of pub have done no wrong.

However, is it factual that the pub has been transferred to Baz after the accounting period ?
[quote][p][bold]palmeris60[/bold] wrote: Not sure who undercover elephant is but wonder if he would like someone to suggest to others to boycott his business if he had one! The pub was transferred to LB after the accounting issue date.Josh Price & Dave pay the money to LB monthly under the terms of the lease with an option to buy next year. Since the pub opened it's brought countless numbers of Watford & Saracens fans together. We've had great legends already visit and feedback from fans has been tremendous.I would suggest to undercover elephant that he pops into the pub and has a word with either Neil or Josh.[/p][/quote]Agreed we shouldn't boycott as management of pub have done no wrong. However, is it factual that the pub has been transferred to Baz after the accounting period ? Holly68
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11:34am Fri 30 Nov 12

Holly68 says...

Holly68 wrote:
palmeris60 wrote:
Not sure who undercover elephant is but wonder if he would like someone to suggest to others to boycott his business if he had one! The pub was transferred to LB after the accounting issue date.Josh Price &amp; Dave pay the money to LB monthly under the terms of the lease with an option to buy next year. Since the pub opened it's brought countless numbers of Watford &amp; Saracens fans together. We've had great legends already visit and feedback from fans has been tremendous.I would suggest to undercover elephant that he pops into the pub and has a word with either Neil or Josh.
Agreed we shouldn't boycott as management of pub have done no wrong.

However, is it factual that the pub has been transferred to Baz after the accounting period ?
If in fact LB is the owner, the undercover elephant has the right to choose whether he wishes to indirectly fund LB by spending money in the pub or not.

You have the fans not wishing to give LB a penny, and the pubs management stuck in the middle who would be penalised if everyone decided to boycott.

Catch 22 for some no doubt

The other challenge is can the pub survive beyond this season as a 7 day concern when match day is main source of income ?

Clearly lots of goodwill and intent to generate revenue etc, but still a major challenge.

For the time being, until all comes clear, the pub has brought lots of people together and has helped the feel good factor

I personally will continue to attend but I do choke on the fact that LB still mirks in the background like rotten eggs
[quote][p][bold]Holly68[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]palmeris60[/bold] wrote: Not sure who undercover elephant is but wonder if he would like someone to suggest to others to boycott his business if he had one! The pub was transferred to LB after the accounting issue date.Josh Price & Dave pay the money to LB monthly under the terms of the lease with an option to buy next year. Since the pub opened it's brought countless numbers of Watford & Saracens fans together. We've had great legends already visit and feedback from fans has been tremendous.I would suggest to undercover elephant that he pops into the pub and has a word with either Neil or Josh.[/p][/quote]Agreed we shouldn't boycott as management of pub have done no wrong. However, is it factual that the pub has been transferred to Baz after the accounting period ?[/p][/quote]If in fact LB is the owner, the undercover elephant has the right to choose whether he wishes to indirectly fund LB by spending money in the pub or not. You have the fans not wishing to give LB a penny, and the pubs management stuck in the middle who would be penalised if everyone decided to boycott. Catch 22 for some no doubt The other challenge is can the pub survive beyond this season as a 7 day concern when match day is main source of income ? Clearly lots of goodwill and intent to generate revenue etc, but still a major challenge. For the time being, until all comes clear, the pub has brought lots of people together and has helped the feel good factor I personally will continue to attend but I do choke on the fact that LB still mirks in the background like rotten eggs Holly68
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11:37am Fri 30 Nov 12

In GT We Trust says...

Holly68 wrote:
Only 2 Ross Jenkins wrote: We were subject to a transfer embargo this summer I believe which implies that the football league and Pozzos knew about this during the takeover. I assume therefore that it is only the period from Sept 2011 to July 2012 that the embargo should have been active. The football league gave us approval for all the transfers in the summer, which means that any gain we may have received was surely for last season only. I suspect that the new regime knew about this issue all along and expected this to come to light, and have most likely been 100% co-operative with the FL to get it sorted. What was GT (and others like Timperley) doing whilst all this was going on? I can only assume he/they were totally oblivious to any conversations and promises made between Bassini and the FL. Can the WO give GT a call to find out more?
I think you will find, based on previous reports in Wobby, that he never turned up for management meetings and wouldn't talk business with GT &amp; Co ... What would of happened if no Pozzo's (Pompey all over ?) Timperley and Frandsen got the takeover on track after he threw toys out the pram (remember his phones to Wobby) And amid all this, what about the money still owed to Ashcroft &amp; Co LOTS AND LOTS of QUESTIONS Will take weeks and months to resolve I guess I just hope we are not as fans punished !!!!! Anyway this is outside our (fans) influence circle, the new management have the resources to defend us properly I am sure
I think it's an appropriate moment to give thanks again to messrs. Timperley and Fransen. Imagine where we'd be now if they hadn't managed to push LB out of the door...
[quote][p][bold]Holly68[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Only 2 Ross Jenkins[/bold] wrote: We were subject to a transfer embargo this summer I believe which implies that the football league and Pozzos knew about this during the takeover. I assume therefore that it is only the period from Sept 2011 to July 2012 that the embargo should have been active. The football league gave us approval for all the transfers in the summer, which means that any gain we may have received was surely for last season only. I suspect that the new regime knew about this issue all along and expected this to come to light, and have most likely been 100% co-operative with the FL to get it sorted. What was GT (and others like Timperley) doing whilst all this was going on? I can only assume he/they were totally oblivious to any conversations and promises made between Bassini and the FL. Can the WO give GT a call to find out more?[/p][/quote]I think you will find, based on previous reports in Wobby, that he never turned up for management meetings and wouldn't talk business with GT & Co ... What would of happened if no Pozzo's (Pompey all over ?) Timperley and Frandsen got the takeover on track after he threw toys out the pram (remember his phones to Wobby) And amid all this, what about the money still owed to Ashcroft & Co LOTS AND LOTS of QUESTIONS Will take weeks and months to resolve I guess I just hope we are not as fans punished !!!!! Anyway this is outside our (fans) influence circle, the new management have the resources to defend us properly I am sure[/p][/quote]I think it's an appropriate moment to give thanks again to messrs. Timperley and Fransen. Imagine where we'd be now if they hadn't managed to push LB out of the door... In GT We Trust
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11:44am Fri 30 Nov 12

Bringe says...

This is nothing remotely on the scale of LTFC, liquidation, unpaid debts etc. and as far as I know there are no complainants except the FL themselves.
It's worth noting that six points would not have saved any club from relegation.
This is nothing remotely on the scale of LTFC, liquidation, unpaid debts etc. and as far as I know there are no complainants except the FL themselves. It's worth noting that six points would not have saved any club from relegation. Bringe
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11:44am Fri 30 Nov 12

Holly68 says...

palmeris60 wrote:
Not sure who undercover elephant is but wonder if he would like someone to suggest to others to boycott his business if he had one! The pub was transferred to LB after the accounting issue date.Josh Price &amp; Dave pay the money to LB monthly under the terms of the lease with an option to buy next year. Since the pub opened it's brought countless numbers of Watford &amp; Saracens fans together. We've had great legends already visit and feedback from fans has been tremendous.I would suggest to undercover elephant that he pops into the pub and has a word with either Neil or Josh.
As you are the pub secretary, could you shed light on whether LB is the owner, have you seen the legal document ?

As if LB is not the legal owner yet, any sub-agreement between LB and pub management might be null and void (ie. you can't lease something you don't own) . Can you help she'd light on this with facts ?

If latter, maybe the management don't have to make any lease payments to LB and can claim back any monies paid to him (if he not owner) ......

I am sure the pub management would like shot of LB like the rest of us ....


Or maybe he could be the legend one Saturday, I reckon that would get a full pub for certain !!!!
[quote][p][bold]palmeris60[/bold] wrote: Not sure who undercover elephant is but wonder if he would like someone to suggest to others to boycott his business if he had one! The pub was transferred to LB after the accounting issue date.Josh Price & Dave pay the money to LB monthly under the terms of the lease with an option to buy next year. Since the pub opened it's brought countless numbers of Watford & Saracens fans together. We've had great legends already visit and feedback from fans has been tremendous.I would suggest to undercover elephant that he pops into the pub and has a word with either Neil or Josh.[/p][/quote]As you are the pub secretary, could you shed light on whether LB is the owner, have you seen the legal document ? As if LB is not the legal owner yet, any sub-agreement between LB and pub management might be null and void (ie. you can't lease something you don't own) . Can you help she'd light on this with facts ? If latter, maybe the management don't have to make any lease payments to LB and can claim back any monies paid to him (if he not owner) ...... I am sure the pub management would like shot of LB like the rest of us .... Or maybe he could be the legend one Saturday, I reckon that would get a full pub for certain !!!! Holly68
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11:48am Fri 30 Nov 12

Reginald Dwight says...

palmeris60 wrote:
Not sure who undercover elephant is but wonder if he would like someone to suggest to others to boycott his business if he had one! The pub was transferred to LB after the accounting issue date.Josh Price &amp; Dave pay the money to LB monthly under the terms of the lease with an option to buy next year. Since the pub opened it's brought countless numbers of Watford &amp; Saracens fans together. We've had great legends already visit and feedback from fans has been tremendous.I would suggest to undercover elephant that he pops into the pub and has a word with either Neil or Josh.
Good point palmeris60. If the current management there have an agreement with Bassini then i suggest they stop paying him a penny and work closely with the Club to ensure the ownership is back in its control and then everyone is happy. Reading back on the pub development you see this story and one particular quote below about the collaboration of people involved in it. Is there any relation as to why some of the club staff have been removed since the new owners took Bassini out?? Were they tarred with Bassini's dirty brush? Probably not but rather than punish the existing management who have undoubtedly picked up more of Bassini's debts, maybe fans should boycott the pub UNTIL Bassini has no control. It won't cost the management a thing if they stop paying Bassini so they won't lose out - the Club will own the pub and fans can continue to enjoy their matchday experience knowing that the man who is reported to have played roulette with the future of our club isn't continuing to benefit from our money anymore......

http://www.watfordob
server.co.uk/sport/w
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“He has backed it financially himself and myself, along with the likes of Glyn Evans (operations director), Raj Athwal (commercial director) and Angelo Barrea (Bassini’s business associate), really got to grips with it and it is nice to see it coming together.
[quote][p][bold]palmeris60[/bold] wrote: Not sure who undercover elephant is but wonder if he would like someone to suggest to others to boycott his business if he had one! The pub was transferred to LB after the accounting issue date.Josh Price & Dave pay the money to LB monthly under the terms of the lease with an option to buy next year. Since the pub opened it's brought countless numbers of Watford & Saracens fans together. We've had great legends already visit and feedback from fans has been tremendous.I would suggest to undercover elephant that he pops into the pub and has a word with either Neil or Josh.[/p][/quote]Good point palmeris60. If the current management there have an agreement with Bassini then i suggest they stop paying him a penny and work closely with the Club to ensure the ownership is back in its control and then everyone is happy. Reading back on the pub development you see this story and one particular quote below about the collaboration of people involved in it. Is there any relation as to why some of the club staff have been removed since the new owners took Bassini out?? Were they tarred with Bassini's dirty brush? Probably not but rather than punish the existing management who have undoubtedly picked up more of Bassini's debts, maybe fans should boycott the pub UNTIL Bassini has no control. It won't cost the management a thing if they stop paying Bassini so they won't lose out - the Club will own the pub and fans can continue to enjoy their matchday experience knowing that the man who is reported to have played roulette with the future of our club isn't continuing to benefit from our money anymore...... http://www.watfordob server.co.uk/sport/w atfordfc/watfordfcne ws/9621849.Bassini_p raised_ahead_of_Yell ow_and_Red_Lion_open ing/ “He has backed it financially himself and myself, along with the likes of Glyn Evans (operations director), Raj Athwal (commercial director) and Angelo Barrea (Bassini’s business associate), really got to grips with it and it is nice to see it coming together. Reginald Dwight
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11:49am Fri 30 Nov 12

Holly68 says...

In GT We Trust wrote:
Holly68 wrote:
Only 2 Ross Jenkins wrote: We were subject to a transfer embargo this summer I believe which implies that the football league and Pozzos knew about this during the takeover. I assume therefore that it is only the period from Sept 2011 to July 2012 that the embargo should have been active. The football league gave us approval for all the transfers in the summer, which means that any gain we may have received was surely for last season only. I suspect that the new regime knew about this issue all along and expected this to come to light, and have most likely been 100% co-operative with the FL to get it sorted. What was GT (and others like Timperley) doing whilst all this was going on? I can only assume he/they were totally oblivious to any conversations and promises made between Bassini and the FL. Can the WO give GT a call to find out more?
I think you will find, based on previous reports in Wobby, that he never turned up for management meetings and wouldn't talk business with GT &amp; Co ... What would of happened if no Pozzo's (Pompey all over ?) Timperley and Frandsen got the takeover on track after he threw toys out the pram (remember his phones to Wobby) And amid all this, what about the money still owed to Ashcroft &amp; Co LOTS AND LOTS of QUESTIONS Will take weeks and months to resolve I guess I just hope we are not as fans punished !!!!! Anyway this is outside our (fans) influence circle, the new management have the resources to defend us properly I am sure
I think it's an appropriate moment to give thanks again to messrs. Timperley and Fransen. Imagine where we'd be now if they hadn't managed to push LB out of the door...
Here here !
[quote][p][bold]In GT We Trust[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Holly68[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Only 2 Ross Jenkins[/bold] wrote: We were subject to a transfer embargo this summer I believe which implies that the football league and Pozzos knew about this during the takeover. I assume therefore that it is only the period from Sept 2011 to July 2012 that the embargo should have been active. The football league gave us approval for all the transfers in the summer, which means that any gain we may have received was surely for last season only. I suspect that the new regime knew about this issue all along and expected this to come to light, and have most likely been 100% co-operative with the FL to get it sorted. What was GT (and others like Timperley) doing whilst all this was going on? I can only assume he/they were totally oblivious to any conversations and promises made between Bassini and the FL. Can the WO give GT a call to find out more?[/p][/quote]I think you will find, based on previous reports in Wobby, that he never turned up for management meetings and wouldn't talk business with GT & Co ... What would of happened if no Pozzo's (Pompey all over ?) Timperley and Frandsen got the takeover on track after he threw toys out the pram (remember his phones to Wobby) And amid all this, what about the money still owed to Ashcroft & Co LOTS AND LOTS of QUESTIONS Will take weeks and months to resolve I guess I just hope we are not as fans punished !!!!! Anyway this is outside our (fans) influence circle, the new management have the resources to defend us properly I am sure[/p][/quote]I think it's an appropriate moment to give thanks again to messrs. Timperley and Fransen. Imagine where we'd be now if they hadn't managed to push LB out of the door...[/p][/quote]Here here ! Holly68
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11:53am Fri 30 Nov 12

Holly68 says...

Reginald Dwight wrote:
palmeris60 wrote:
Not sure who undercover elephant is but wonder if he would like someone to suggest to others to boycott his business if he had one! The pub was transferred to LB after the accounting issue date.Josh Price &amp; Dave pay the money to LB monthly under the terms of the lease with an option to buy next year. Since the pub opened it's brought countless numbers of Watford &amp; Saracens fans together. We've had great legends already visit and feedback from fans has been tremendous.I would suggest to undercover elephant that he pops into the pub and has a word with either Neil or Josh.
Good point palmeris60. If the current management there have an agreement with Bassini then i suggest they stop paying him a penny and work closely with the Club to ensure the ownership is back in its control and then everyone is happy. Reading back on the pub development you see this story and one particular quote below about the collaboration of people involved in it. Is there any relation as to why some of the club staff have been removed since the new owners took Bassini out?? Were they tarred with Bassini's dirty brush? Probably not but rather than punish the existing management who have undoubtedly picked up more of Bassini's debts, maybe fans should boycott the pub UNTIL Bassini has no control. It won't cost the management a thing if they stop paying Bassini so they won't lose out - the Club will own the pub and fans can continue to enjoy their matchday experience knowing that the man who is reported to have played roulette with the future of our club isn't continuing to benefit from our money anymore......

http://www.watfordob

server.co.uk/sport/w

atfordfc/watfordfcne

ws/9621849.Bassini_p

raised_ahead_of_Yell

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“He has backed it financially himself and myself, along with the likes of Glyn Evans (operations director), Raj Athwal (commercial director) and Angelo Barrea (Bassini’s business associate), really got to grips with it and it is nice to see it coming together.
Interesting observation - they all gone !
[quote][p][bold]Reginald Dwight[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]palmeris60[/bold] wrote: Not sure who undercover elephant is but wonder if he would like someone to suggest to others to boycott his business if he had one! The pub was transferred to LB after the accounting issue date.Josh Price & Dave pay the money to LB monthly under the terms of the lease with an option to buy next year. Since the pub opened it's brought countless numbers of Watford & Saracens fans together. We've had great legends already visit and feedback from fans has been tremendous.I would suggest to undercover elephant that he pops into the pub and has a word with either Neil or Josh.[/p][/quote]Good point palmeris60. If the current management there have an agreement with Bassini then i suggest they stop paying him a penny and work closely with the Club to ensure the ownership is back in its control and then everyone is happy. Reading back on the pub development you see this story and one particular quote below about the collaboration of people involved in it. Is there any relation as to why some of the club staff have been removed since the new owners took Bassini out?? Were they tarred with Bassini's dirty brush? Probably not but rather than punish the existing management who have undoubtedly picked up more of Bassini's debts, maybe fans should boycott the pub UNTIL Bassini has no control. It won't cost the management a thing if they stop paying Bassini so they won't lose out - the Club will own the pub and fans can continue to enjoy their matchday experience knowing that the man who is reported to have played roulette with the future of our club isn't continuing to benefit from our money anymore...... http://www.watfordob server.co.uk/sport/w atfordfc/watfordfcne ws/9621849.Bassini_p raised_ahead_of_Yell ow_and_Red_Lion_open ing/ “He has backed it financially himself and myself, along with the likes of Glyn Evans (operations director), Raj Athwal (commercial director) and Angelo Barrea (Bassini’s business associate), really got to grips with it and it is nice to see it coming together.[/p][/quote]Interesting observation - they all gone ! Holly68
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11:54am Fri 30 Nov 12

Holly68 says...

I won't be boycotting the pub as its doing lots of f
I won't be boycotting the pub as its doing lots of f Holly68
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11:55am Fri 30 Nov 12

Holly68 says...

Good for the fans


I do hope the management take advice from all parties before continuing paying LB lease money to get all the facts
Good for the fans I do hope the management take advice from all parties before continuing paying LB lease money to get all the facts Holly68
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11:57am Fri 30 Nov 12

miked2006 says...

Okay so let me get this straight. LB was given permission to take over our club by the football league. In one season he (allegedly) spent our income on drugs, prostitutes, bentleys and casinos. He transfered around 1.5-2.5 million in loans to himself, but made sure the debt was in the clubs name and therefore if he sold the club, he would not have to pay a penny of the loan back (or even any interest of repayment). He also took half a million from the club to refurnish a pub, spent a fifth of that whilst pocketing the rest (and did not declare any of it); when the takeover happened he then got to keep this pub. When people tried to stop him (Safegate) he just called the police and had the long serving employees removed from the premises. He then sold the club for 10-15 million pounds more than he bought it for which left us in fairly significant debt, with a potential points penalty and almost certain fine to come. This man had no real money himself in the first place, would not disclose where or how he was going to pay for the club and had (two?) failed businesses beforehand, after one of which he changed his name. I'm starting to feel like even Harry's dog could convince the FL that he would make a fit and responsible owner.

If the government were asked and gave specific permission for a known terrorist to be granted asylum here, and he then orchestrated an attack, would it be their fault or the local council that were forced to house him?
Okay so let me get this straight. LB was given permission to take over our club by the football league. In one season he (allegedly) spent our income on drugs, prostitutes, bentleys and casinos. He transfered around 1.5-2.5 million in loans to himself, but made sure the debt was in the clubs name and therefore if he sold the club, he would not have to pay a penny of the loan back (or even any interest of repayment). He also took half a million from the club to refurnish a pub, spent a fifth of that whilst pocketing the rest (and did not declare any of it); when the takeover happened he then got to keep this pub. When people tried to stop him (Safegate) he just called the police and had the long serving employees removed from the premises. He then sold the club for 10-15 million pounds more than he bought it for which left us in fairly significant debt, with a potential points penalty and almost certain fine to come. This man had no real money himself in the first place, would not disclose where or how he was going to pay for the club and had (two?) failed businesses beforehand, after one of which he changed his name. I'm starting to feel like even Harry's dog could convince the FL that he would make a fit and responsible owner. If the government were asked and gave specific permission for a known terrorist to be granted asylum here, and he then orchestrated an attack, would it be their fault or the local council that were forced to house him? miked2006
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12:02pm Fri 30 Nov 12

holtonian says...

The football league seem to flex there authority at the drop of a hat.They are opening up a huge can of worms if theyu honestly looked into every league club. Surely common sense should prevail when they look into our last owners credentials. He robbed Watford FC left right and centre.
The football league seem to flex there authority at the drop of a hat.They are opening up a huge can of worms if theyu honestly looked into every league club. Surely common sense should prevail when they look into our last owners credentials. He robbed Watford FC left right and centre. holtonian
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12:04pm Fri 30 Nov 12

Holly68 says...

miked2006 wrote:
Okay so let me get this straight. LB was given permission to take over our club by the football league. In one season he (allegedly) spent our income on drugs, prostitutes, bentleys and casinos. He transfered around 1.5-2.5 million in loans to himself, but made sure the debt was in the clubs name and therefore if he sold the club, he would not have to pay a penny of the loan back (or even any interest of repayment). He also took half a million from the club to refurnish a pub, spent a fifth of that whilst pocketing the rest (and did not declare any of it); when the takeover happened he then got to keep this pub. When people tried to stop him (Safegate) he just called the police and had the long serving employees removed from the premises. He then sold the club for 10-15 million pounds more than he bought it for which left us in fairly significant debt, with a potential points penalty and almost certain fine to come. This man had no real money himself in the first place, would not disclose where or how he was going to pay for the club and had (two?) failed businesses beforehand, after one of which he changed his name. I'm starting to feel like even Harry's dog could convince the FL that he would make a fit and responsible owner.

If the government were asked and gave specific permission for a known terrorist to be granted asylum here, and he then orchestrated an attack, would it be their fault or the local council that were forced to house him?
Excellent summary - alledgedly

We don't know how much the Pozzo's paid for the club !?!?!?

Even if zero sounds like already a high price
[quote][p][bold]miked2006[/bold] wrote: Okay so let me get this straight. LB was given permission to take over our club by the football league. In one season he (allegedly) spent our income on drugs, prostitutes, bentleys and casinos. He transfered around 1.5-2.5 million in loans to himself, but made sure the debt was in the clubs name and therefore if he sold the club, he would not have to pay a penny of the loan back (or even any interest of repayment). He also took half a million from the club to refurnish a pub, spent a fifth of that whilst pocketing the rest (and did not declare any of it); when the takeover happened he then got to keep this pub. When people tried to stop him (Safegate) he just called the police and had the long serving employees removed from the premises. He then sold the club for 10-15 million pounds more than he bought it for which left us in fairly significant debt, with a potential points penalty and almost certain fine to come. This man had no real money himself in the first place, would not disclose where or how he was going to pay for the club and had (two?) failed businesses beforehand, after one of which he changed his name. I'm starting to feel like even Harry's dog could convince the FL that he would make a fit and responsible owner. If the government were asked and gave specific permission for a known terrorist to be granted asylum here, and he then orchestrated an attack, would it be their fault or the local council that were forced to house him?[/p][/quote]Excellent summary - alledgedly We don't know how much the Pozzo's paid for the club !?!?!? Even if zero sounds like already a high price Holly68
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12:06pm Fri 30 Nov 12

jsjf1979 says...

From the very limited information we have at present it appears that the loan advances from LNOC were in order for us to avoid going into administration. As these ‘loans’ were not FL approved, then I believe they could treat us as having gone into administration anyway, which is a 10 point deduction. This is purely guesswork, and hopefully we can fight it. I am sure the Pozzo’s will have been made aware of this prior to the takeover and formed their own view. We were under a technical transfer embargo anyway in the summer so I guess this is all related. The sad thing is that things were really starting to look up on the pitch, and then this comes along and brings us back down to earth. The thought of Bassini getting away with this (if guilty of the allegations of course) and causing us to be punished by the FL makes me sick.
From the very limited information we have at present it appears that the loan advances from LNOC were in order for us to avoid going into administration. As these ‘loans’ were not FL approved, then I believe they could treat us as having gone into administration anyway, which is a 10 point deduction. This is purely guesswork, and hopefully we can fight it. I am sure the Pozzo’s will have been made aware of this prior to the takeover and formed their own view. We were under a technical transfer embargo anyway in the summer so I guess this is all related. The sad thing is that things were really starting to look up on the pitch, and then this comes along and brings us back down to earth. The thought of Bassini getting away with this (if guilty of the allegations of course) and causing us to be punished by the FL makes me sick. jsjf1979
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12:21pm Fri 30 Nov 12

Bringe says...

he didn't collect £10-15m on the sale ... (although he tried) ... bondholders keep this but otherwise a good summary.
he didn't collect £10-15m on the sale ... (although he tried) ... bondholders keep this but otherwise a good summary. Bringe
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12:26pm Fri 30 Nov 12

JoeWFC_12 says...

Yep I'm with you Duffman, Holly68 & Holtonian with your comments made.
Lets keep positive and get behind the club.

I think that if the Football League had any sense then ultimately the punishment should be on Baz and not the club.

If he were still in charge...I think this would have been the final nail in the coffin….so count our lucky stars we got away when we did.

It would be very harsh to boycott the pub, have enjoyed many pre/post match drinks with many fans in there, and I feel there are victims in all this for the wrong reasons.

They have served us well; it will be cruel for all their hard work because of the actions of one to go to pot. The guys in there are doing there best to make a living in such difficult financial times. Remember they are with us NOT against us.

I guess we just need to await to here from the club & then eventually from the Football League & any punishment they impose. How I like to remind people of the "Court of Arbitration for Sport"….Chelsea were guilty as hell but yet argued successfully the punishment didn’t fit the crime, the sanctions were then lifted from them.

I am sure there are many arguments the CURRENT owners could raise in defence of any punishment posed because of Baz’s actions.

In conclusion, I have full trust of the management of the club, who I am sure will be working tiredly to fix the problems left by Baz with minimal possible impact to the club. Keep the faith everyone.
Yep I'm with you Duffman, Holly68 & Holtonian with your comments made. Lets keep positive and get behind the club. I think that if the Football League had any sense then ultimately the punishment should be on Baz and not the club. If he were still in charge...I think this would have been the final nail in the coffin….so count our lucky stars we got away when we did. It would be very harsh to boycott the pub, have enjoyed many pre/post match drinks with many fans in there, and I feel there are victims in all this for the wrong reasons. They have served us well; it will be cruel for all their hard work because of the actions of one to go to pot. The guys in there are doing there best to make a living in such difficult financial times. Remember they are with us NOT against us. I guess we just need to await to here from the club & then eventually from the Football League & any punishment they impose. How I like to remind people of the "Court of Arbitration for Sport"….Chelsea were guilty as hell but yet argued successfully the punishment didn’t fit the crime, the sanctions were then lifted from them. I am sure there are many arguments the CURRENT owners could raise in defence of any punishment posed because of Baz’s actions. In conclusion, I have full trust of the management of the club, who I am sure will be working tiredly to fix the problems left by Baz with minimal possible impact to the club. Keep the faith everyone. JoeWFC_12
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12:32pm Fri 30 Nov 12

Harrydownunder says...

jsjf1979 wrote:
From the very limited information we have at present it appears that the loan advances from LNOC were in order for us to avoid going into administration. As these ‘loans’ were not FL approved, then I believe they could treat us as having gone into administration anyway, which is a 10 point deduction. This is purely guesswork, and hopefully we can fight it. I am sure the Pozzo’s will have been made aware of this prior to the takeover and formed their own view. We were under a technical transfer embargo anyway in the summer so I guess this is all related. The sad thing is that things were really starting to look up on the pitch, and then this comes along and brings us back down to earth. The thought of Bassini getting away with this (if guilty of the allegations of course) and causing us to be punished by the FL makes me sick.
The thought of basing making money out if the club sickens me! If he got 10+ million then that sickens me even more! The man is nothing more than a total crook and the sensible ones amongst us saw that from the beginning!! I wonder if this is why GT suddenly upped sticks and walked???
[quote][p][bold]jsjf1979[/bold] wrote: From the very limited information we have at present it appears that the loan advances from LNOC were in order for us to avoid going into administration. As these ‘loans’ were not FL approved, then I believe they could treat us as having gone into administration anyway, which is a 10 point deduction. This is purely guesswork, and hopefully we can fight it. I am sure the Pozzo’s will have been made aware of this prior to the takeover and formed their own view. We were under a technical transfer embargo anyway in the summer so I guess this is all related. The sad thing is that things were really starting to look up on the pitch, and then this comes along and brings us back down to earth. The thought of Bassini getting away with this (if guilty of the allegations of course) and causing us to be punished by the FL makes me sick.[/p][/quote]The thought of basing making money out if the club sickens me! If he got 10+ million then that sickens me even more! The man is nothing more than a total crook and the sensible ones amongst us saw that from the beginning!! I wonder if this is why GT suddenly upped sticks and walked??? Harrydownunder
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12:36pm Fri 30 Nov 12

Harrydownunder says...

Nothing would please me more than seeing basso fined every penny hi rifled out if the club and sent down for years!!!! The crook!!!
Nothing would please me more than seeing basso fined every penny hi rifled out if the club and sent down for years!!!! The crook!!! Harrydownunder
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12:40pm Fri 30 Nov 12

Bringe says...

Do not boycott the pub, Bassini does not own it and any lets or sub-lets are likely to be voided by the Pozzo's.
No court in the land would award Bassini the property in the light of his unfolding duplicity and the current tennants are not obliged to pay him unless that happens.
In the meantime it should be treated as a club asset until such a ruling, If Dave and Josh aren't stupid they'll sit on the rent until this is settled.
Do not boycott the pub, Bassini does not own it and any lets or sub-lets are likely to be voided by the Pozzo's. No court in the land would award Bassini the property in the light of his unfolding duplicity and the current tennants are not obliged to pay him unless that happens. In the meantime it should be treated as a club asset until such a ruling, If Dave and Josh aren't stupid they'll sit on the rent until this is settled. Bringe
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12:44pm Fri 30 Nov 12

miked2006 says...

Yes I'm sure the figure was nothing like that, but I have heard that Baz was openly boasting that he earnt over 10 million from Watford overall!

The contract for the takeover was alledgedly very tight that the Pozzo's inherited all outstanding loans and debts ect - probably why Watford are not hopeful of getting any of the money back that they are owed. If you also include the money that he pocketed (sorry maintenence loans) plus his insistance that he wanted all the money he had 'spent' on the club back (which he believed to be a few million), the potential figure is still too horrible to think about.

I'm sure his figures are all lies and bravado or at least gross exaggerations - apparently he has a history of lying in the past?! I'm sure (and pray) that with the predicament he was in, all he got was the pub and a lot of happy employees to personally escort him out the buiding.

P.s. don't boycott the pub, surely the management pay a fixed amount each month that does not fluctuate through profit and therefore will only cost them and us fans.

Imagine if there was no Pozzos. It's terrible if you try.
Yes I'm sure the figure was nothing like that, but I have heard that Baz was openly boasting that he earnt over 10 million from Watford overall! The contract for the takeover was alledgedly very tight that the Pozzo's inherited all outstanding loans and debts ect - probably why Watford are not hopeful of getting any of the money back that they are owed. If you also include the money that he pocketed (sorry maintenence loans) plus his insistance that he wanted all the money he had 'spent' on the club back (which he believed to be a few million), the potential figure is still too horrible to think about. I'm sure his figures are all lies and bravado or at least gross exaggerations - apparently he has a history of lying in the past?! I'm sure (and pray) that with the predicament he was in, all he got was the pub and a lot of happy employees to personally escort him out the buiding. P.s. don't boycott the pub, surely the management pay a fixed amount each month that does not fluctuate through profit and therefore will only cost them and us fans. Imagine if there was no Pozzos. It's terrible if you try. miked2006
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1:00pm Fri 30 Nov 12

grahamtaylorismydad says...

Personaly i'm not too concerned, we knew what a complete idiot Baz was for the club, and should expect a few skeletons in the cupboard, if we are to recieve a points deduction let it be now during our seaon of transition both on and off the pitch. For me its all about next season, lets sort this mess out now and get the club on a firm footing for the future.
Personaly i'm not too concerned, we knew what a complete idiot Baz was for the club, and should expect a few skeletons in the cupboard, if we are to recieve a points deduction let it be now during our seaon of transition both on and off the pitch. For me its all about next season, lets sort this mess out now and get the club on a firm footing for the future. grahamtaylorismydad
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1:10pm Fri 30 Nov 12

Taxidermist says...

Only 2 Ross Jenkins wrote:
We were subject to a transfer embargo this summer I believe which implies that the football league and Pozzos knew about this during the takeover. I assume therefore that it is only the period from Sept 2011 to July 2012 that the embargo should have been active. The football league gave us approval for all the transfers in the summer, which means that any gain we may have received was surely for last season only. I suspect that the new regime knew about this issue all along and expected this to come to light, and have most likely been 100% co-operative with the FL to get it sorted. What was GT (and others like Timperley) doing whilst all this was going on? I can only assume he/they were totally oblivious to any conversations and promises made between Bassini and the FL. Can the WO give GT a call to find out more?
Now we know what was in the safe!
[quote][p][bold]Only 2 Ross Jenkins[/bold] wrote: We were subject to a transfer embargo this summer I believe which implies that the football league and Pozzos knew about this during the takeover. I assume therefore that it is only the period from Sept 2011 to July 2012 that the embargo should have been active. The football league gave us approval for all the transfers in the summer, which means that any gain we may have received was surely for last season only. I suspect that the new regime knew about this issue all along and expected this to come to light, and have most likely been 100% co-operative with the FL to get it sorted. What was GT (and others like Timperley) doing whilst all this was going on? I can only assume he/they were totally oblivious to any conversations and promises made between Bassini and the FL. Can the WO give GT a call to find out more?[/p][/quote]Now we know what was in the safe! Taxidermist
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1:13pm Fri 30 Nov 12

Taxidermist says...

Bringe wrote:
Points can't be deducted retrospectively but it would be very harsh indeed to punish the current regime in such a manner and I would expect a fine. As far as I can see we haven't sign anyone while under any sort of embargo however it wouldn't excuse the club/Bassini for not putting the facts on the table if that is the case.... &quot;Significant" prejudice to other clubs is unlikely considering our mid table finish as there were no big signings but just a couple of bog standard young player loans and despite Tom Cleverly emergence since, he was nowhere near Uniteds first team when we borrowed him.
That is exactly what Luton said in their defence.
[quote][p][bold]Bringe[/bold] wrote: Points can't be deducted retrospectively but it would be very harsh indeed to punish the current regime in such a manner and I would expect a fine. As far as I can see we haven't sign anyone while under any sort of embargo however it wouldn't excuse the club/Bassini for not putting the facts on the table if that is the case.... "Significant" prejudice to other clubs is unlikely considering our mid table finish as there were no big signings but just a couple of bog standard young player loans and despite Tom Cleverly emergence since, he was nowhere near Uniteds first team when we borrowed him.[/p][/quote]That is exactly what Luton said in their defence. Taxidermist
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1:14pm Fri 30 Nov 12

gilesy97 says...

grahamtaylorismydad wrote:
Personaly i'm not too concerned, we knew what a complete idiot Baz was for the club, and should expect a few skeletons in the cupboard, if we are to recieve a points deduction let it be now during our seaon of transition both on and off the pitch. For me its all about next season, lets sort this mess out now and get the club on a firm footing for the future.
I agree.......the club have said anything above 11th is good this year , so we are doing better than expected. If we continue our present form ( and why not) even a 10 point deduction shouldn't really hurt us.It may stop us getting into the play-offs but it would be a year ahead of schedule anyway. As has been said , its all about next season and the long term plan. I just hope this doesn't drag on too long.....it would be a great shame IF we were in the play-off position only to have the points deducted ( if they were ) and then drop out of them. In all honesty , I've been waiting for this to happen , so lets get the bad news over & done with quickly and move on .
[quote][p][bold]grahamtaylorismydad[/bold] wrote: Personaly i'm not too concerned, we knew what a complete idiot Baz was for the club, and should expect a few skeletons in the cupboard, if we are to recieve a points deduction let it be now during our seaon of transition both on and off the pitch. For me its all about next season, lets sort this mess out now and get the club on a firm footing for the future.[/p][/quote]I agree.......the club have said anything above 11th is good this year , so we are doing better than expected. If we continue our present form ( and why not) even a 10 point deduction shouldn't really hurt us.It may stop us getting into the play-offs but it would be a year ahead of schedule anyway. As has been said , its all about next season and the long term plan. I just hope this doesn't drag on too long.....it would be a great shame IF we were in the play-off position only to have the points deducted ( if they were ) and then drop out of them. In all honesty , I've been waiting for this to happen , so lets get the bad news over & done with quickly and move on . gilesy97
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1:14pm Fri 30 Nov 12

gloryhornet4 says...

JohnnyHornet wrote:
As a secondary thought wasn't there a rumour at the beginning of the season about a transfer embargo being in place and the FL gave us the all clear ? , if the dates are correct then they knew about the alleged shenanigans prior to clearing us to sign the current horns. If things are still not right why did they allow us to take the new lads.
Think that embargo was the late filing of accounts. When the new management filed them 7 players were signed that day.
[quote][p][bold]JohnnyHornet[/bold] wrote: As a secondary thought wasn't there a rumour at the beginning of the season about a transfer embargo being in place and the FL gave us the all clear ? , if the dates are correct then they knew about the alleged shenanigans prior to clearing us to sign the current horns. If things are still not right why did they allow us to take the new lads.[/p][/quote]Think that embargo was the late filing of accounts. When the new management filed them 7 players were signed that day. gloryhornet4
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1:18pm Fri 30 Nov 12

MINTYHORNET says...

I remember when he said people sung his name at the Peterborough match ,it should of had the crook at the end of it .
I remember when he said people sung his name at the Peterborough match ,it should of had the crook at the end of it . MINTYHORNET
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1:27pm Fri 30 Nov 12

palmeris60 says...

ok lets try and make this clear for all parties:-
The club as i understand it was sold back to the Pozzo family on Friday 29th June 2012 with the accounts being filed on the following day. At this stage the club spoke to all parties and said that with immediate effect LB was the new owner and all relevant paperwork had been completed. Laurence again as i understand it took full control from the Wednesday. LB has stated to all parties on many occasions that he wants shot of the pub and with this in mind a deal was done to lease the pub to Josh & Dave.Talks on purchasing the pub are i understand already in the pipeline. By boycotting the pub fans would only be jeopardising the ability of Josh & Dave to do a deal with LB. How many people in life have a landlord that they would rather not have or deal with.Very soon if things go to plan the pub will no longer be in LB's hands.Isn't that what al parties want? Josh, Dave & Neil's intentions from day one were and are to make it a place for Watford fans.My advise to all is rather tahn talk about stupid boycotts would be to encourage as many people as possible to use it! Enough said! Come on u horns.....
ok lets try and make this clear for all parties:- The club as i understand it was sold back to the Pozzo family on Friday 29th June 2012 with the accounts being filed on the following day. At this stage the club spoke to all parties and said that with immediate effect LB was the new owner and all relevant paperwork had been completed. Laurence again as i understand it took full control from the Wednesday. LB has stated to all parties on many occasions that he wants shot of the pub and with this in mind a deal was done to lease the pub to Josh & Dave.Talks on purchasing the pub are i understand already in the pipeline. By boycotting the pub fans would only be jeopardising the ability of Josh & Dave to do a deal with LB. How many people in life have a landlord that they would rather not have or deal with.Very soon if things go to plan the pub will no longer be in LB's hands.Isn't that what al parties want? Josh, Dave & Neil's intentions from day one were and are to make it a place for Watford fans.My advise to all is rather tahn talk about stupid boycotts would be to encourage as many people as possible to use it! Enough said! Come on u horns..... palmeris60
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1:36pm Fri 30 Nov 12

G_Whiz says...

palmeris60 wrote:
ok lets try and make this clear for all parties:-
The club as i understand it was sold back to the Pozzo family on Friday 29th June 2012 with the accounts being filed on the following day. At this stage the club spoke to all parties and said that with immediate effect LB was the new owner and all relevant paperwork had been completed. Laurence again as i understand it took full control from the Wednesday. LB has stated to all parties on many occasions that he wants shot of the pub and with this in mind a deal was done to lease the pub to Josh &amp; Dave.Talks on purchasing the pub are i understand already in the pipeline. By boycotting the pub fans would only be jeopardising the ability of Josh &amp; Dave to do a deal with LB. How many people in life have a landlord that they would rather not have or deal with.Very soon if things go to plan the pub will no longer be in LB's hands.Isn't that what al parties want? Josh, Dave &amp; Neil's intentions from day one were and are to make it a place for Watford fans.My advise to all is rather tahn talk about stupid boycotts would be to encourage as many people as possible to use it! Enough said! Come on u horns.....
I agree - i'm starting to love that pub too! I hope it stay's where it is for a long, long time!

'COYH'!
[quote][p][bold]palmeris60[/bold] wrote: ok lets try and make this clear for all parties:- The club as i understand it was sold back to the Pozzo family on Friday 29th June 2012 with the accounts being filed on the following day. At this stage the club spoke to all parties and said that with immediate effect LB was the new owner and all relevant paperwork had been completed. Laurence again as i understand it took full control from the Wednesday. LB has stated to all parties on many occasions that he wants shot of the pub and with this in mind a deal was done to lease the pub to Josh & Dave.Talks on purchasing the pub are i understand already in the pipeline. By boycotting the pub fans would only be jeopardising the ability of Josh & Dave to do a deal with LB. How many people in life have a landlord that they would rather not have or deal with.Very soon if things go to plan the pub will no longer be in LB's hands.Isn't that what al parties want? Josh, Dave & Neil's intentions from day one were and are to make it a place for Watford fans.My advise to all is rather tahn talk about stupid boycotts would be to encourage as many people as possible to use it! Enough said! Come on u horns.....[/p][/quote]I agree - i'm starting to love that pub too! I hope it stay's where it is for a long, long time! 'COYH'! G_Whiz
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1:47pm Fri 30 Nov 12

gloryhornet4 says...

I think the FL should come down just as hard as they did with Spurs and 31 transfers that allegedly were not absolutely compliant - 12 POINTS deducted. Out come the big lawyers and just a £1.5m fine.

Same number of points that they took off of West Ham & QPR.
I think the FL should come down just as hard as they did with Spurs and 31 transfers that allegedly were not absolutely compliant - 12 POINTS deducted. Out come the big lawyers and just a £1.5m fine. Same number of points that they took off of West Ham & QPR. gloryhornet4
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1:58pm Fri 30 Nov 12

jasonwatford says...

What a mess.............I'm sure the club will now take real legal advice and talk openly with the FL.....Only one person here has done wrong and he is nowhere near the club at present. We can definatley argue the point that he passed the fit and proper test by them and we have been doing everything in our power to help them resolve what one individual has been doing. I guess we will get a fine and maybe a small points deduction. I hope this is sorted but i guess with what happened with QPR not knowing if they had won the title or not i guess they will wait till they know where we are in the league. Anyway this should not effect the players as they know we are in safe hands and the Pozzo's will look after us !!
What a mess.............I'm sure the club will now take real legal advice and talk openly with the FL.....Only one person here has done wrong and he is nowhere near the club at present. We can definatley argue the point that he passed the fit and proper test by them and we have been doing everything in our power to help them resolve what one individual has been doing. I guess we will get a fine and maybe a small points deduction. I hope this is sorted but i guess with what happened with QPR not knowing if they had won the title or not i guess they will wait till they know where we are in the league. Anyway this should not effect the players as they know we are in safe hands and the Pozzo's will look after us !! jasonwatford
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2:14pm Fri 30 Nov 12

lutondown says...

Roy Stockdill wrote:
All these latest revelations lead me to suggest that they should invite Harry Redknapp's dog to take over the club.

After all, from what we learnt during Harry's tax evasion trial the pooch appears to be more of a financial wizard than most of the people running football clubs!
Roy, your snide comments are not wanted or needed. Go away. Most of us invest our hard earned cash into our passion that is little Watford. It is our hobby, it is in a way our family. Now I know you will not understand these sentiments, so at what is a worrying time for true fans, please respect that this is fans forum for fans
[quote][p][bold]Roy Stockdill[/bold] wrote: All these latest revelations lead me to suggest that they should invite Harry Redknapp's dog to take over the club. After all, from what we learnt during Harry's tax evasion trial the pooch appears to be more of a financial wizard than most of the people running football clubs![/p][/quote]Roy, your snide comments are not wanted or needed. Go away. Most of us invest our hard earned cash into our passion that is little Watford. It is our hobby, it is in a way our family. Now I know you will not understand these sentiments, so at what is a worrying time for true fans, please respect that this is fans forum for fans lutondown
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2:17pm Fri 30 Nov 12

lutondown says...

Holly68 wrote:
Good for the fans


I do hope the management take advice from all parties before continuing paying LB lease money to get all the facts
I'm with you, lets all pack it out Saturday and take our worries and turn into a vociferous support for our majestic boys.
[quote][p][bold]Holly68[/bold] wrote: Good for the fans I do hope the management take advice from all parties before continuing paying LB lease money to get all the facts[/p][/quote]I'm with you, lets all pack it out Saturday and take our worries and turn into a vociferous support for our majestic boys. lutondown
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2:19pm Fri 30 Nov 12

lutondown says...

holtonian wrote:
The football league seem to flex there authority at the drop of a hat.They are opening up a huge can of worms if theyu honestly looked into every league club. Surely common sense should prevail when they look into our last owners credentials. He robbed Watford FC left right and centre.
And they sanctioned the sale to a proven bankrupt. They are as culpable as anyone who let him in our house.
[quote][p][bold]holtonian[/bold] wrote: The football league seem to flex there authority at the drop of a hat.They are opening up a huge can of worms if theyu honestly looked into every league club. Surely common sense should prevail when they look into our last owners credentials. He robbed Watford FC left right and centre.[/p][/quote]And they sanctioned the sale to a proven bankrupt. They are as culpable as anyone who let him in our house. lutondown
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2:22pm Fri 30 Nov 12

lutondown says...

He takes what he wants he take what he wants, that horrible B*******d, he takes what he wants
He takes what he wants he take what he wants, that horrible B*******d, he takes what he wants lutondown
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2:23pm Fri 30 Nov 12

lutondown says...

gloryhornet4 wrote:
I think the FL should come down just as hard as they did with Spurs and 31 transfers that allegedly were not absolutely compliant - 12 POINTS deducted. Out come the big lawyers and just a £1.5m fine.

Same number of points that they took off of West Ham &amp; QPR.
And thankfully the Pozzos are pretty big guns themselves.
[quote][p][bold]gloryhornet4[/bold] wrote: I think the FL should come down just as hard as they did with Spurs and 31 transfers that allegedly were not absolutely compliant - 12 POINTS deducted. Out come the big lawyers and just a £1.5m fine. Same number of points that they took off of West Ham & QPR.[/p][/quote]And thankfully the Pozzos are pretty big guns themselves. lutondown
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2:52pm Fri 30 Nov 12

Holly68 says...

Following a legal search today, the Pub's title deeds are still owned by Watford FC and not LB.

So for now the Pub is owned by Watford (long may that continue)

I hope the pub management haven't been paying rent to wrong owners !?!?

I vote for the club keeping it :-)
Following a legal search today, the Pub's title deeds are still owned by Watford FC and not LB. So for now the Pub is owned by Watford (long may that continue) I hope the pub management haven't been paying rent to wrong owners !?!? I vote for the club keeping it :-) Holly68
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2:55pm Fri 30 Nov 12

Holly68 says...

lutondown wrote:
He takes what he wants he take what he wants, that horrible B*******d, he takes what he wants
I think the "take what he wants" might not be entirely true if we can convince the club to retain the title deeds to the pub which the club still own.

Part One of the "taking back what's ours"
[quote][p][bold]lutondown[/bold] wrote: He takes what he wants he take what he wants, that horrible B*******d, he takes what he wants[/p][/quote]I think the "take what he wants" might not be entirely true if we can convince the club to retain the title deeds to the pub which the club still own. Part One of the "taking back what's ours" Holly68
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3:01pm Fri 30 Nov 12

Holly68 says...

palmeris60 wrote:
Not sure who undercover elephant is but wonder if he would like someone to suggest to others to boycott his business if he had one! The pub was transferred to LB after the accounting issue date.Josh Price &amp; Dave pay the money to LB monthly under the terms of the lease with an option to buy next year. Since the pub opened it's brought countless numbers of Watford &amp; Saracens fans together. We've had great legends already visit and feedback from fans has been tremendous.I would suggest to undercover elephant that he pops into the pub and has a word with either Neil or Josh.
Palmeris60, can you re-examine your points above (not blaming you as you acting in good faith)

The Pubs title deeds are (as at 2pm this afternoon still in name of club and not LB)

Secondly, are the pub management paying the wrong person rent ?

Needs looking in to ......

I am really even more looking forward to drinking in the still Watford owned pub ....


You can do a title deeds search yourself online, it costs £3 and any member of the public can have access, this proves fact from fiction !
[quote][p][bold]palmeris60[/bold] wrote: Not sure who undercover elephant is but wonder if he would like someone to suggest to others to boycott his business if he had one! The pub was transferred to LB after the accounting issue date.Josh Price & Dave pay the money to LB monthly under the terms of the lease with an option to buy next year. Since the pub opened it's brought countless numbers of Watford & Saracens fans together. We've had great legends already visit and feedback from fans has been tremendous.I would suggest to undercover elephant that he pops into the pub and has a word with either Neil or Josh.[/p][/quote]Palmeris60, can you re-examine your points above (not blaming you as you acting in good faith) The Pubs title deeds are (as at 2pm this afternoon still in name of club and not LB) Secondly, are the pub management paying the wrong person rent ? Needs looking in to ...... I am really even more looking forward to drinking in the still Watford owned pub .... You can do a title deeds search yourself online, it costs £3 and any member of the public can have access, this proves fact from fiction ! Holly68
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3:05pm Fri 30 Nov 12

Reginald Dwight says...

Holly68 wrote:
Following a legal search today, the Pub's title deeds are still owned by Watford FC and not LB.

So for now the Pub is owned by Watford (long may that continue)

I hope the pub management haven't been paying rent to wrong owners !?!?

I vote for the club keeping it :-)
Good stuff Holly.

Support the pub once, and ONLY once, we know it is officially back in the Clubs safe hands and not another penny can go to Bazini / Barrea and IF the Russo's were his mysterious funders last year then them too!
[quote][p][bold]Holly68[/bold] wrote: Following a legal search today, the Pub's title deeds are still owned by Watford FC and not LB. So for now the Pub is owned by Watford (long may that continue) I hope the pub management haven't been paying rent to wrong owners !?!? I vote for the club keeping it :-)[/p][/quote]Good stuff Holly. Support the pub once, and ONLY once, we know it is officially back in the Clubs safe hands and not another penny can go to Bazini / Barrea and IF the Russo's were his mysterious funders last year then them too! Reginald Dwight
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3:09pm Fri 30 Nov 12

Roy Stockdill says...

Sorry, Lutondown, I do respect the views of Watford fans, much as I think they are being rather naive.

I am simply trying to emphasise what I have said in this and other threads numerous times before, namely that football in Britain generally is in one hell of a mess and that the entire house of cards will collapse sooner or later. Don't think that Watford is alone by any means!!! I would warrant there are umpteen other clubs, big and small, who are also in trouble. Despite their enormous worldwide images, hasn't anyone noticed how much even the Manchester Utds and Chelseas of this world are operating under a mountain of debt?

The problem stems far, far beyond Watford and if you only look at it from a parochial point of view you won't get very far. Dodgy and corrupt owners, greedy agents, managers on the take and venal players, grossly overpaid and grossly under-performing, are all to blame, not to mention the machinations of banks and finance companies and backroom lawyers all wanting their share. And I'm sorry to say this but in many cases the fans have let it happen because they have turned a blind eye to the corruption in the game that stinks to high heaven, purely in order to get their little bit of entertainment on a Saturday afternoon.
Sorry, Lutondown, I do respect the views of Watford fans, much as I think they are being rather naive. I am simply trying to emphasise what I have said in this and other threads numerous times before, namely that football in Britain generally is in one hell of a mess and that the entire house of cards will collapse sooner or later. Don't think that Watford is alone by any means!!! I would warrant there are umpteen other clubs, big and small, who are also in trouble. Despite their enormous worldwide images, hasn't anyone noticed how much even the Manchester Utds and Chelseas of this world are operating under a mountain of debt? The problem stems far, far beyond Watford and if you only look at it from a parochial point of view you won't get very far. Dodgy and corrupt owners, greedy agents, managers on the take and venal players, grossly overpaid and grossly under-performing, are all to blame, not to mention the machinations of banks and finance companies and backroom lawyers all wanting their share. And I'm sorry to say this but in many cases the fans have let it happen because they have turned a blind eye to the corruption in the game that stinks to high heaven, purely in order to get their little bit of entertainment on a Saturday afternoon. Roy Stockdill
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3:13pm Fri 30 Nov 12

palmeris60 says...

As i've already said Josh & Dave are both happy that the documentation that they have is legally binding. If the club still owned the pub they would be chasing rent. THEY ARE NOT In the absence of any club comment we have no reason to doubt that all is in order.
As i've already said Josh & Dave are both happy that the documentation that they have is legally binding. If the club still owned the pub they would be chasing rent. THEY ARE NOT In the absence of any club comment we have no reason to doubt that all is in order. palmeris60
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3:13pm Fri 30 Nov 12

Colin West's mullet says...

Roy,it's a bit rich for someone so desperate to be seen as middlebrow when he used to work for the News of the World.
Roy,it's a bit rich for someone so desperate to be seen as middlebrow when he used to work for the News of the World. Colin West's mullet
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3:17pm Fri 30 Nov 12

Holly68 says...

Reginald Dwight wrote:
Holly68 wrote:
Following a legal search today, the Pub's title deeds are still owned by Watford FC and not LB.

So for now the Pub is owned by Watford (long may that continue)

I hope the pub management haven't been paying rent to wrong owners !?!?

I vote for the club keeping it :-)
Good stuff Holly.

Support the pub once, and ONLY once, we know it is officially back in the Clubs safe hands and not another penny can go to Bazini / Barrea and IF the Russo's were his mysterious funders last year then them too!
I liked the Russo's

If and I say if the rumours are true they did lend him the money, it would've been a business loan with agreed interest.

He knew they had spare cash plus an affiliation to the club, so not rocket science on where to seek out the loan.

You can't put Russo's in same category as LB

Russo's did want Watford to do well and lost money, ok maybe not everyone's cup of tea, but they had good intentions so I would always happily have a pint with them.

Anyway this loan is unproven
[quote][p][bold]Reginald Dwight[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Holly68[/bold] wrote: Following a legal search today, the Pub's title deeds are still owned by Watford FC and not LB. So for now the Pub is owned by Watford (long may that continue) I hope the pub management haven't been paying rent to wrong owners !?!? I vote for the club keeping it :-)[/p][/quote]Good stuff Holly. Support the pub once, and ONLY once, we know it is officially back in the Clubs safe hands and not another penny can go to Bazini / Barrea and IF the Russo's were his mysterious funders last year then them too![/p][/quote]I liked the Russo's If and I say if the rumours are true they did lend him the money, it would've been a business loan with agreed interest. He knew they had spare cash plus an affiliation to the club, so not rocket science on where to seek out the loan. You can't put Russo's in same category as LB Russo's did want Watford to do well and lost money, ok maybe not everyone's cup of tea, but they had good intentions so I would always happily have a pint with them. Anyway this loan is unproven Holly68
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3:24pm Fri 30 Nov 12

Roy Stockdill says...

>Roy,it's a bit rich for someone so desperate to be seen as middlebrow when he used to work for the News of the World.<

A somewhat fatuous comment since I've always made it clear that I retired in 1997, years before the phone-hacking began. In my career I never did anything I was ashamed of because it was a totally different newspaper when I was there. I left largely because I lost interest when it became a red-top tabloid and a vehicle principally for Z-list celebs and half-witted models and pop tartlets to sell their memoirs to.

However, maybe we should bring back Mr Justive Leveson to turn his attentions to the sorry mess that football has got into. I guarantee he will probably find more scandals than have ever afflicted the press!
>Roy,it's a bit rich for someone so desperate to be seen as middlebrow when he used to work for the News of the World.< A somewhat fatuous comment since I've always made it clear that I retired in 1997, years before the phone-hacking began. In my career I never did anything I was ashamed of because it was a totally different newspaper when I was there. I left largely because I lost interest when it became a red-top tabloid and a vehicle principally for Z-list celebs and half-witted models and pop tartlets to sell their memoirs to. However, maybe we should bring back Mr Justive Leveson to turn his attentions to the sorry mess that football has got into. I guarantee he will probably find more scandals than have ever afflicted the press! Roy Stockdill
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3:26pm Fri 30 Nov 12

jasonwatford says...

Holly have to disagree with you on the Russo point mate...Jumped up little men who had gains for themselves and not always in best interest of WFC. I know you know people inside of Watford as do i and having seen them in action behind closed doors and not what i would call WFC people.
I wonder what GT is thinking about all this ?
Holly have to disagree with you on the Russo point mate...Jumped up little men who had gains for themselves and not always in best interest of WFC. I know you know people inside of Watford as do i and having seen them in action behind closed doors and not what i would call WFC people. I wonder what GT is thinking about all this ? jasonwatford
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3:30pm Fri 30 Nov 12

DuffmanWFC says...

News Flash:
Bassini didn't take all of Watfords money!.... There was £6.80 left on his final day!
Bassini you crook I hope you go to jail and rot there!
Anyway I'm looking forward to Saturday and another 3 points will be great!
I'm sure the Pozzo's will sort this mess out with the Football League and my message to all of you is to stay positive! In Pozzo we trust!
News Flash: Bassini didn't take all of Watfords money!.... There was £6.80 left on his final day! Bassini you crook I hope you go to jail and rot there! Anyway I'm looking forward to Saturday and another 3 points will be great! I'm sure the Pozzo's will sort this mess out with the Football League and my message to all of you is to stay positive! In Pozzo we trust! DuffmanWFC
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3:32pm Fri 30 Nov 12

Holly68 says...

Given what the club are dealing with, the pub is probably down the agenda !

Who is the legally binding document with ? Have you seen it ? Has a solicitor seen it ? Given that the Title Deeds are with the club would it be worth double checking it's his to lease ?

If I was a tenant and I had a landlord who I had a signed agreement with and was paying rent to and I was told that the landlord didn't actually own the property he had leased to me I would be ever so slightly concerned, and would check the title feeds for myself, seem legal advice and contact the real owner ......

Look at the history here, I bet there are lots of "agreements" that people were happy with and oops look what's happened .....

If its checked out and proven all ok then fine, but if I was the pub management I would at least be concerned.

Maybe the pub management could take the lease or buy direct from the club ?

My guess is LB, if it's proven owes the £1.5M, will be given time to repay it or the intention to transfer the deeds of pub will be withdrawn against that debt.

The deeds wil only change hands once all debts are obligations are cleared.

They need to take proper advice ....
Given what the club are dealing with, the pub is probably down the agenda ! Who is the legally binding document with ? Have you seen it ? Has a solicitor seen it ? Given that the Title Deeds are with the club would it be worth double checking it's his to lease ? If I was a tenant and I had a landlord who I had a signed agreement with and was paying rent to and I was told that the landlord didn't actually own the property he had leased to me I would be ever so slightly concerned, and would check the title feeds for myself, seem legal advice and contact the real owner ...... Look at the history here, I bet there are lots of "agreements" that people were happy with and oops look what's happened ..... If its checked out and proven all ok then fine, but if I was the pub management I would at least be concerned. Maybe the pub management could take the lease or buy direct from the club ? My guess is LB, if it's proven owes the £1.5M, will be given time to repay it or the intention to transfer the deeds of pub will be withdrawn against that debt. The deeds wil only change hands once all debts are obligations are cleared. They need to take proper advice .... Holly68
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3:42pm Fri 30 Nov 12

Holly68 says...

jasonwatford wrote:
Holly have to disagree with you on the Russo point mate...Jumped up little men who had gains for themselves and not always in best interest of WFC. I know you know people inside of Watford as do i and having seen them in action behind closed doors and not what i would call WFC people.
I wonder what GT is thinking about all this ?
As I said, not everyone's cup of tea, yes I heard stories about their management style, but they factually lost money so did not gain overall, like most owners. They were always courteous to the fans.

As for knowing people, what is it they say, everyone's 6 degrees from the pope, nobody knows everyone or everything, I only get info like the rest of the fans, rumours, forums, my aunts best friends cousins next door neighbour, so all my posts are compilation of stuff on the "outside" LOL
[quote][p][bold]jasonwatford[/bold] wrote: Holly have to disagree with you on the Russo point mate...Jumped up little men who had gains for themselves and not always in best interest of WFC. I know you know people inside of Watford as do i and having seen them in action behind closed doors and not what i would call WFC people. I wonder what GT is thinking about all this ?[/p][/quote]As I said, not everyone's cup of tea, yes I heard stories about their management style, but they factually lost money so did not gain overall, like most owners. They were always courteous to the fans. As for knowing people, what is it they say, everyone's 6 degrees from the pope, nobody knows everyone or everything, I only get info like the rest of the fans, rumours, forums, my aunts best friends cousins next door neighbour, so all my posts are compilation of stuff on the "outside" LOL Holly68
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3:42pm Fri 30 Nov 12

DuffmanWFC says...

Bassini won't get the pub as the accounts arnt what he said they were, that's why the deeds haven't been transferred to him!
What will most proberbly happen is that as Bassini owes us £1.5M we will keep the pub and sue for the rest approx £1M or offer an out of court agreement that he pays the Football Leagues fine for being a dodgy, lying, cheat of an owner!
Bassini won't get the pub as the accounts arnt what he said they were, that's why the deeds haven't been transferred to him! What will most proberbly happen is that as Bassini owes us £1.5M we will keep the pub and sue for the rest approx £1M or offer an out of court agreement that he pays the Football Leagues fine for being a dodgy, lying, cheat of an owner! DuffmanWFC
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3:59pm Fri 30 Nov 12

Andrew1963 says...

Roy Stockdill wrote:
&gt;Roy,it's a bit rich for someone so desperate to be seen as middlebrow when he used to work for the News of the World.&lt;

A somewhat fatuous comment since I've always made it clear that I retired in 1997, years before the phone-hacking began. In my career I never did anything I was ashamed of because it was a totally different newspaper when I was there. I left largely because I lost interest when it became a red-top tabloid and a vehicle principally for Z-list celebs and half-witted models and pop tartlets to sell their memoirs to.

However, maybe we should bring back Mr Justive Leveson to turn his attentions to the sorry mess that football has got into. I guarantee he will probably find more scandals than have ever afflicted the press!
Blimey never realised that the News of the World only became a red top tabloid interested in celebrities, titilation and grubbing around for scandal after 1997. I doubt there were many owners of football clubs in the 1930s supping tea with Mussolini and Hitler like Lord Rothermere. At least Football has a proper go at self regulation unlike UK newspapers who think Free Press means 'free to do what we like'
[quote][p][bold]Roy Stockdill[/bold] wrote: >Roy,it's a bit rich for someone so desperate to be seen as middlebrow when he used to work for the News of the World.< A somewhat fatuous comment since I've always made it clear that I retired in 1997, years before the phone-hacking began. In my career I never did anything I was ashamed of because it was a totally different newspaper when I was there. I left largely because I lost interest when it became a red-top tabloid and a vehicle principally for Z-list celebs and half-witted models and pop tartlets to sell their memoirs to. However, maybe we should bring back Mr Justive Leveson to turn his attentions to the sorry mess that football has got into. I guarantee he will probably find more scandals than have ever afflicted the press![/p][/quote]Blimey never realised that the News of the World only became a red top tabloid interested in celebrities, titilation and grubbing around for scandal after 1997. I doubt there were many owners of football clubs in the 1930s supping tea with Mussolini and Hitler like Lord Rothermere. At least Football has a proper go at self regulation unlike UK newspapers who think Free Press means 'free to do what we like' Andrew1963
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4:05pm Fri 30 Nov 12

Reginald Dwight says...

Holly68 wrote:
jasonwatford wrote:
Holly have to disagree with you on the Russo point mate...Jumped up little men who had gains for themselves and not always in best interest of WFC. I know you know people inside of Watford as do i and having seen them in action behind closed doors and not what i would call WFC people.
I wonder what GT is thinking about all this ?
As I said, not everyone's cup of tea, yes I heard stories about their management style, but they factually lost money so did not gain overall, like most owners. They were always courteous to the fans.

As for knowing people, what is it they say, everyone's 6 degrees from the pope, nobody knows everyone or everything, I only get info like the rest of the fans, rumours, forums, my aunts best friends cousins next door neighbour, so all my posts are compilation of stuff on the &quot;outside" LOL
It beggars belief that anyone did any business with this man. The Club made a dreadful decision to sell to him against a backdrop of Ashcroft wanting out.

He either does or doesn't have a deal with the pub management. If they are saying that the paperwork with Bazini is official then we have to help them get out of this and work with the Club to exercise their right to reclaim it. Sadly the ONLY way to make this happen is to stop business as usual and starve Bazini and hopefully any short term losses by the Price brothers can be made up by lack of rent payment to Bazini. If they continue to honour their agreement with Bazini then i can't face going in there again.

As for the Russo's. IF you think they entered into an agreement with Baz then I'm sorry - however much they want to pretend they are WFC people, they aren't. Bad decision or not they will have nailed their colours to the Bazini mast if true so in that case are fully accountable too as they must have backed his business plan to loan the money in the first place?
[quote][p][bold]Holly68[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jasonwatford[/bold] wrote: Holly have to disagree with you on the Russo point mate...Jumped up little men who had gains for themselves and not always in best interest of WFC. I know you know people inside of Watford as do i and having seen them in action behind closed doors and not what i would call WFC people. I wonder what GT is thinking about all this ?[/p][/quote]As I said, not everyone's cup of tea, yes I heard stories about their management style, but they factually lost money so did not gain overall, like most owners. They were always courteous to the fans. As for knowing people, what is it they say, everyone's 6 degrees from the pope, nobody knows everyone or everything, I only get info like the rest of the fans, rumours, forums, my aunts best friends cousins next door neighbour, so all my posts are compilation of stuff on the "outside" LOL[/p][/quote]It beggars belief that anyone did any business with this man. The Club made a dreadful decision to sell to him against a backdrop of Ashcroft wanting out. He either does or doesn't have a deal with the pub management. If they are saying that the paperwork with Bazini is official then we have to help them get out of this and work with the Club to exercise their right to reclaim it. Sadly the ONLY way to make this happen is to stop business as usual and starve Bazini and hopefully any short term losses by the Price brothers can be made up by lack of rent payment to Bazini. If they continue to honour their agreement with Bazini then i can't face going in there again. As for the Russo's. IF you think they entered into an agreement with Baz then I'm sorry - however much they want to pretend they are WFC people, they aren't. Bad decision or not they will have nailed their colours to the Bazini mast if true so in that case are fully accountable too as they must have backed his business plan to loan the money in the first place? Reginald Dwight
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4:20pm Fri 30 Nov 12

miked2006 says...

Bassini oh oh oh,
Bassini oh oh oh,
His luck began to fail,
And now he's off to jail
Bassini oh oh oh, Bassini oh oh oh, His luck began to fail, And now he's off to jail miked2006
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4:36pm Fri 30 Nov 12

Smilingburkinshaw says...

Roy Stockdill wrote:
Sorry, Lutondown, I do respect the views of Watford fans, much as I think they are being rather naive. I am simply trying to emphasise what I have said in this and other threads numerous times before, namely that football in Britain generally is in one hell of a mess and that the entire house of cards will collapse sooner or later. Don't think that Watford is alone by any means!!! I would warrant there are umpteen other clubs, big and small, who are also in trouble. Despite their enormous worldwide images, hasn't anyone noticed how much even the Manchester Utds and Chelseas of this world are operating under a mountain of debt? The problem stems far, far beyond Watford and if you only look at it from a parochial point of view you won't get very far. Dodgy and corrupt owners, greedy agents, managers on the take and venal players, grossly overpaid and grossly under-performing, are all to blame, not to mention the machinations of banks and finance companies and backroom lawyers all wanting their share. And I'm sorry to say this but in many cases the fans have let it happen because they have turned a blind eye to the corruption in the game that stinks to high heaven, purely in order to get their little bit of entertainment on a Saturday afternoon.
Sounds like every institution in the world, espicially your beloved newspaper co-perations.
[quote][p][bold]Roy Stockdill[/bold] wrote: Sorry, Lutondown, I do respect the views of Watford fans, much as I think they are being rather naive. I am simply trying to emphasise what I have said in this and other threads numerous times before, namely that football in Britain generally is in one hell of a mess and that the entire house of cards will collapse sooner or later. Don't think that Watford is alone by any means!!! I would warrant there are umpteen other clubs, big and small, who are also in trouble. Despite their enormous worldwide images, hasn't anyone noticed how much even the Manchester Utds and Chelseas of this world are operating under a mountain of debt? The problem stems far, far beyond Watford and if you only look at it from a parochial point of view you won't get very far. Dodgy and corrupt owners, greedy agents, managers on the take and venal players, grossly overpaid and grossly under-performing, are all to blame, not to mention the machinations of banks and finance companies and backroom lawyers all wanting their share. And I'm sorry to say this but in many cases the fans have let it happen because they have turned a blind eye to the corruption in the game that stinks to high heaven, purely in order to get their little bit of entertainment on a Saturday afternoon.[/p][/quote]Sounds like every institution in the world, espicially your beloved newspaper co-perations. Smilingburkinshaw
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5:30pm Fri 30 Nov 12

Taxidermist says...

Holly68 wrote:
palmeris60 wrote:
Not sure who undercover elephant is but wonder if he would like someone to suggest to others to boycott his business if he had one! The pub was transferred to LB after the accounting issue date.Josh Price &amp; Dave pay the money to LB monthly under the terms of the lease with an option to buy next year. Since the pub opened it's brought countless numbers of Watford &amp; Saracens fans together. We've had great legends already visit and feedback from fans has been tremendous.I would suggest to undercover elephant that he pops into the pub and has a word with either Neil or Josh.
As you are the pub secretary, could you shed light on whether LB is the owner, have you seen the legal document ?

As if LB is not the legal owner yet, any sub-agreement between LB and pub management might be null and void (ie. you can't lease something you don't own) . Can you help she'd light on this with facts ?

If latter, maybe the management don't have to make any lease payments to LB and can claim back any monies paid to him (if he not owner) ......

I am sure the pub management would like shot of LB like the rest of us ....


Or maybe he could be the legend one Saturday, I reckon that would get a full pub for certain !!!!
Claim back money off Baz! :-) You must be joking, he'll declare himself bankrupt again before he gives anything back.
[quote][p][bold]Holly68[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]palmeris60[/bold] wrote: Not sure who undercover elephant is but wonder if he would like someone to suggest to others to boycott his business if he had one! The pub was transferred to LB after the accounting issue date.Josh Price & Dave pay the money to LB monthly under the terms of the lease with an option to buy next year. Since the pub opened it's brought countless numbers of Watford & Saracens fans together. We've had great legends already visit and feedback from fans has been tremendous.I would suggest to undercover elephant that he pops into the pub and has a word with either Neil or Josh.[/p][/quote]As you are the pub secretary, could you shed light on whether LB is the owner, have you seen the legal document ? As if LB is not the legal owner yet, any sub-agreement between LB and pub management might be null and void (ie. you can't lease something you don't own) . Can you help she'd light on this with facts ? If latter, maybe the management don't have to make any lease payments to LB and can claim back any monies paid to him (if he not owner) ...... I am sure the pub management would like shot of LB like the rest of us .... Or maybe he could be the legend one Saturday, I reckon that would get a full pub for certain !!!![/p][/quote]Claim back money off Baz! :-) You must be joking, he'll declare himself bankrupt again before he gives anything back. Taxidermist
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5:48pm Fri 30 Nov 12

Boosey says...

Stay positive, there will always be a Watford. Really looking forward to the match tomorrow, gut instinct tells me, it will be a good day all round!
Proud to be a Hornet.
Stay positive, there will always be a Watford. Really looking forward to the match tomorrow, gut instinct tells me, it will be a good day all round! Proud to be a Hornet. Boosey
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5:49pm Fri 30 Nov 12

stevyweavy says...

We just need to make sure we win the league by more than 10 points to counteract the potential wrath of the FA following Bassini's indiscretions.
We just need to make sure we win the league by more than 10 points to counteract the potential wrath of the FA following Bassini's indiscretions. stevyweavy
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5:58pm Fri 30 Nov 12

Taxidermist says...

Andrew1963 wrote:
Roy Stockdill wrote:
&gt;Roy,it's a bit rich for someone so desperate to be seen as middlebrow when he used to work for the News of the World.&lt;

A somewhat fatuous comment since I've always made it clear that I retired in 1997, years before the phone-hacking began. In my career I never did anything I was ashamed of because it was a totally different newspaper when I was there. I left largely because I lost interest when it became a red-top tabloid and a vehicle principally for Z-list celebs and half-witted models and pop tartlets to sell their memoirs to.

However, maybe we should bring back Mr Justive Leveson to turn his attentions to the sorry mess that football has got into. I guarantee he will probably find more scandals than have ever afflicted the press!
Blimey never realised that the News of the World only became a red top tabloid interested in celebrities, titilation and grubbing around for scandal after 1997. I doubt there were many owners of football clubs in the 1930s supping tea with Mussolini and Hitler like Lord Rothermere. At least Football has a proper go at self regulation unlike UK newspapers who think Free Press means 'free to do what we like'
Lets keep this discussion Watford related please, no need to be going of at a tangent.
[quote][p][bold]Andrew1963[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Roy Stockdill[/bold] wrote: >Roy,it's a bit rich for someone so desperate to be seen as middlebrow when he used to work for the News of the World.< A somewhat fatuous comment since I've always made it clear that I retired in 1997, years before the phone-hacking began. In my career I never did anything I was ashamed of because it was a totally different newspaper when I was there. I left largely because I lost interest when it became a red-top tabloid and a vehicle principally for Z-list celebs and half-witted models and pop tartlets to sell their memoirs to. However, maybe we should bring back Mr Justive Leveson to turn his attentions to the sorry mess that football has got into. I guarantee he will probably find more scandals than have ever afflicted the press![/p][/quote]Blimey never realised that the News of the World only became a red top tabloid interested in celebrities, titilation and grubbing around for scandal after 1997. I doubt there were many owners of football clubs in the 1930s supping tea with Mussolini and Hitler like Lord Rothermere. At least Football has a proper go at self regulation unlike UK newspapers who think Free Press means 'free to do what we like'[/p][/quote]Lets keep this discussion Watford related please, no need to be going of at a tangent. Taxidermist
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6:03pm Fri 30 Nov 12

UndercoverElephant says...

Holly68 wrote:
Following a legal search today, the Pub's title deeds are still owned by Watford FC and not LB.

So for now the Pub is owned by Watford (long may that continue)

I hope the pub management haven't been paying rent to wrong owners !?!?

I vote for the club keeping it :-)
If that is the case then I stand corrected and hang my head 😔. Just couldn't stand the idea of any more money going to Bas.

It sickens me that, like others have already said, it seems WFC have something good going at long last and the Bas era could still have an influence on the club, albeit via the FL.

Lets hope he gets what he deserves, is banned from further football Directorships and, should the powers that be think necessary, is pursued within the law to answer for this.

With regards to the pub, I hope it survives the reduced trade on non match days. I drive past it regularly whilst at work and often there are more staff than customers. But that is the same in a lot of pubs these days.
[quote][p][bold]Holly68[/bold] wrote: Following a legal search today, the Pub's title deeds are still owned by Watford FC and not LB. So for now the Pub is owned by Watford (long may that continue) I hope the pub management haven't been paying rent to wrong owners !?!? I vote for the club keeping it :-)[/p][/quote]If that is the case then I stand corrected and hang my head 😔. Just couldn't stand the idea of any more money going to Bas. It sickens me that, like others have already said, it seems WFC have something good going at long last and the Bas era could still have an influence on the club, albeit via the FL. Lets hope he gets what he deserves, is banned from further football Directorships and, should the powers that be think necessary, is pursued within the law to answer for this. With regards to the pub, I hope it survives the reduced trade on non match days. I drive past it regularly whilst at work and often there are more staff than customers. But that is the same in a lot of pubs these days. UndercoverElephant
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6:22pm Fri 30 Nov 12

Taxidermist says...

Holly68 wrote:
Following a legal search today, the Pub's title deeds are still owned by Watford FC and not LB.

I am presuming that the search revealed the pub belongs to Watford Association Football Club Ltd, not WFC Ltd, which is Bassini's own holding company.
Holly68 wrote: Following a legal search today, the Pub's title deeds are still owned by Watford FC and not LB. I am presuming that the search revealed the pub belongs to Watford Association Football Club Ltd, not WFC Ltd, which is Bassini's own holding company. Taxidermist
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6:38pm Fri 30 Nov 12

Hornet73 says...

There has been a fair amount of discussion regarding the possible sanctions that the FA might apply in this case. There is a very significant precedent in the case of West Ham when they played an unauthorised player and ended up getting promoted to the Premiership at the expense of Sheffield United. The FA did not apply a points deduction against West Ham but rather a fine with compensation paid to Sheffield United. Any retrospective points deduction is far too complicated to apply in most cases.
There has been a fair amount of discussion regarding the possible sanctions that the FA might apply in this case. There is a very significant precedent in the case of West Ham when they played an unauthorised player and ended up getting promoted to the Premiership at the expense of Sheffield United. The FA did not apply a points deduction against West Ham but rather a fine with compensation paid to Sheffield United. Any retrospective points deduction is far too complicated to apply in most cases. Hornet73
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7:37pm Fri 30 Nov 12

KeithMercer says...

Calm down some of you guys !!
breathing doom and gloom, getting yourselves worked up about points deductions, relegation and even worse scenarios .
Common sense will prevail, might take a bit of time but rest assured this club we love is only going in one direction !!
Now I know which direction that is, so get down the Red Lion , buy a few cold ones and find your voices and your passion and watch this club go !
And stop worrying about all this regulatory c"*p ! leave that to the lawyers ! thats what they get paid for.
Calm down some of you guys !! breathing doom and gloom, getting yourselves worked up about points deductions, relegation and even worse scenarios . Common sense will prevail, might take a bit of time but rest assured this club we love is only going in one direction !! Now I know which direction that is, so get down the Red Lion , buy a few cold ones and find your voices and your passion and watch this club go ! And stop worrying about all this regulatory c"*p ! leave that to the lawyers ! thats what they get paid for. KeithMercer
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7:38pm Fri 30 Nov 12

Holly68 says...

Taxidermist wrote:
Holly68 wrote:
Following a legal search today, the Pub's title deeds are still owned by Watford FC and not LB.

I am presuming that the search revealed the pub belongs to Watford Association Football Club Ltd, not WFC Ltd, which is Bassini's own holding company.
WAFCL
[quote][p][bold]Taxidermist[/bold] wrote: Holly68 wrote: Following a legal search today, the Pub's title deeds are still owned by Watford FC and not LB. I am presuming that the search revealed the pub belongs to Watford Association Football Club Ltd, not WFC Ltd, which is Bassini's own holding company.[/p][/quote]WAFCL Holly68
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7:40pm Fri 30 Nov 12

tommy gunn says...

On a lighter note,it reminds me of a tale about Haydn Green the manager in the fifties.The team were away to Torquay and the night before the game Haydn took the players to the cinema.The film was a cowboy and halfway through Haydn counted 7 shots coming out of a six shooter,he stood up in front of a packed audience and shouted 'this is a bigger fiddle than football' and stormed out of the cinema.That Haydn knew a thing or two,a man ahead of his time you may think.
On a lighter note,it reminds me of a tale about Haydn Green the manager in the fifties.The team were away to Torquay and the night before the game Haydn took the players to the cinema.The film was a cowboy and halfway through Haydn counted 7 shots coming out of a six shooter,he stood up in front of a packed audience and shouted 'this is a bigger fiddle than football' and stormed out of the cinema.That Haydn knew a thing or two,a man ahead of his time you may think. tommy gunn
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8:08pm Fri 30 Nov 12

Roy Stockdill says...

I recall a story about the late, great Len Shackleton, who most people here will probably never have heard of. However, he was one of the finest English footballers who ever lived, playing for Bradford Park Avenue (the other Bradford club who went out of the league years ago), Newcastle Utd and then Sunderland but only 5 times for England because he was a rebel who wouldn't tow the official line.

In his memoirs published in 1956 he had a chapter headed "The Average Director's Knowledge of Football" which consisted of a single blank page!
I recall a story about the late, great Len Shackleton, who most people here will probably never have heard of. However, he was one of the finest English footballers who ever lived, playing for Bradford Park Avenue (the other Bradford club who went out of the league years ago), Newcastle Utd and then Sunderland but only 5 times for England because he was a rebel who wouldn't tow the official line. In his memoirs published in 1956 he had a chapter headed "The Average Director's Knowledge of Football" which consisted of a single blank page! Roy Stockdill
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8:18pm Fri 30 Nov 12

lutondown says...

KeithMercer wrote:
Calm down some of you guys !!
breathing doom and gloom, getting yourselves worked up about points deductions, relegation and even worse scenarios .
Common sense will prevail, might take a bit of time but rest assured this club we love is only going in one direction !!
Now I know which direction that is, so get down the Red Lion , buy a few cold ones and find your voices and your passion and watch this club go !
And stop worrying about all this regulatory c&quot;*p ! leave that to the lawyers ! thats what they get paid for.
Mercs, the voice of reason. See you there buddy. Still missing a few absent friends here, you know the pro Bas lobby, who have diluted that into we were waiting before making judgement. Mmmmm
Nero fiddled and Rome did get burnt.
[quote][p][bold]KeithMercer[/bold] wrote: Calm down some of you guys !! breathing doom and gloom, getting yourselves worked up about points deductions, relegation and even worse scenarios . Common sense will prevail, might take a bit of time but rest assured this club we love is only going in one direction !! Now I know which direction that is, so get down the Red Lion , buy a few cold ones and find your voices and your passion and watch this club go ! And stop worrying about all this regulatory c"*p ! leave that to the lawyers ! thats what they get paid for.[/p][/quote]Mercs, the voice of reason. See you there buddy. Still missing a few absent friends here, you know the pro Bas lobby, who have diluted that into we were waiting before making judgement. Mmmmm Nero fiddled and Rome did get burnt. lutondown
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8:26pm Fri 30 Nov 12

gloryhornet4 says...

Holly68 wrote:
palmeris60 wrote:
Not sure who undercover elephant is but wonder if he would like someone to suggest to others to boycott his business if he had one! The pub was transferred to LB after the accounting issue date.Josh Price &amp; Dave pay the money to LB monthly under the terms of the lease with an option to buy next year. Since the pub opened it's brought countless numbers of Watford &amp; Saracens fans together. We've had great legends already visit and feedback from fans has been tremendous.I would suggest to undercover elephant that he pops into the pub and has a word with either Neil or Josh.
Palmeris60, can you re-examine your points above (not blaming you as you acting in good faith)

The Pubs title deeds are (as at 2pm this afternoon still in name of club and not LB)

Secondly, are the pub management paying the wrong person rent ?

Needs looking in to ......

I am really even more looking forward to drinking in the still Watford owned pub ....


You can do a title deeds search yourself online, it costs £3 and any member of the public can have access, this proves fact from fiction !
Now £4. It will be in a limited company formed especially to take the legal title, so may not tell us anything.
[quote][p][bold]Holly68[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]palmeris60[/bold] wrote: Not sure who undercover elephant is but wonder if he would like someone to suggest to others to boycott his business if he had one! The pub was transferred to LB after the accounting issue date.Josh Price & Dave pay the money to LB monthly under the terms of the lease with an option to buy next year. Since the pub opened it's brought countless numbers of Watford & Saracens fans together. We've had great legends already visit and feedback from fans has been tremendous.I would suggest to undercover elephant that he pops into the pub and has a word with either Neil or Josh.[/p][/quote]Palmeris60, can you re-examine your points above (not blaming you as you acting in good faith) The Pubs title deeds are (as at 2pm this afternoon still in name of club and not LB) Secondly, are the pub management paying the wrong person rent ? Needs looking in to ...... I am really even more looking forward to drinking in the still Watford owned pub .... You can do a title deeds search yourself online, it costs £3 and any member of the public can have access, this proves fact from fiction ![/p][/quote]Now £4. It will be in a limited company formed especially to take the legal title, so may not tell us anything. gloryhornet4
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8:46pm Fri 30 Nov 12

KeithMercer says...

Sorry LD but cant get down the Vic until the Forest game ! look forward to seeing you then and I am sure you, Holly,Bucks, Jason and the rest will do us proud !!
Come on you Golden Boys !!
Sorry LD but cant get down the Vic until the Forest game ! look forward to seeing you then and I am sure you, Holly,Bucks, Jason and the rest will do us proud !! Come on you Golden Boys !! KeithMercer
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8:48pm Fri 30 Nov 12

buckler says...

Whatever , everyone's an expert! 1 question ? Where are the idiots that spent months arguing and backing this crook! Myself ,LD and others that have been banned because of it said it from day 1 ? Where are you? Back under the stone you weasels !
Whatever , everyone's an expert! 1 question ? Where are the idiots that spent months arguing and backing this crook! Myself ,LD and others that have been banned because of it said it from day 1 ? Where are you? Back under the stone you weasels ! buckler
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9:05pm Fri 30 Nov 12

Luther is a legend says...

Question???

Why has this not been reported on any other reliable web site?

It's not on the BBC or Football League site, why???
Question??? Why has this not been reported on any other reliable web site? It's not on the BBC or Football League site, why??? Luther is a legend
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9:50pm Fri 30 Nov 12

kingofpop says...

Roy....i take it you have not heard about throwing stones in glass houses???
Everybody knows how filthy and corrupt the pess is and it is irrelavent that you retired in 1997 as im positive you were ALL breaking the law even back then!
Lets all be honest, real journalism has become very rare in the last 25 years as the press reach new depths of disgusting behaviour. I suggest you look at the following link of just some of the dispicable things the press have printed in the late 80's ( when you were still working ) http://en.wikipedia.
org/wiki/Kelvin_MacK
enzie
Roy....i take it you have not heard about throwing stones in glass houses??? Everybody knows how filthy and corrupt the pess is and it is irrelavent that you retired in 1997 as im positive you were ALL breaking the law even back then! Lets all be honest, real journalism has become very rare in the last 25 years as the press reach new depths of disgusting behaviour. I suggest you look at the following link of just some of the dispicable things the press have printed in the late 80's ( when you were still working ) http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Kelvin_MacK enzie kingofpop
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9:57pm Fri 30 Nov 12

shaky100 says...

gloryhornet4 wrote:
Holly68 wrote:
palmeris60 wrote:
Not sure who undercover elephant is but wonder if he would like someone to suggest to others to boycott his business if he had one! The pub was transferred to LB after the accounting issue date.Josh Price &amp; Dave pay the money to LB monthly under the terms of the lease with an option to buy next year. Since the pub opened it's brought countless numbers of Watford &amp; Saracens fans together. We've had great legends already visit and feedback from fans has been tremendous.I would suggest to undercover elephant that he pops into the pub and has a word with either Neil or Josh.
Palmeris60, can you re-examine your points above (not blaming you as you acting in good faith)

The Pubs title deeds are (as at 2pm this afternoon still in name of club and not LB)

Secondly, are the pub management paying the wrong person rent ?

Needs looking in to ......

I am really even more looking forward to drinking in the still Watford owned pub ....


You can do a title deeds search yourself online, it costs £3 and any member of the public can have access, this proves fact from fiction !
Now £4. It will be in a limited company formed especially to take the legal title, so may not tell us anything.
I paid £3 of my hard earned money today on the Land Registry website to get a copy of the title.

Its Title Number HD398270 and the registered owner is Watford AFC Ltd (company registration number 00104194). Thats the same company that released its accounts this week and has Riva, Nani, Duxbury, Fransen and Timperley as its directors.
[quote][p][bold]gloryhornet4[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Holly68[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]palmeris60[/bold] wrote: Not sure who undercover elephant is but wonder if he would like someone to suggest to others to boycott his business if he had one! The pub was transferred to LB after the accounting issue date.Josh Price & Dave pay the money to LB monthly under the terms of the lease with an option to buy next year. Since the pub opened it's brought countless numbers of Watford & Saracens fans together. We've had great legends already visit and feedback from fans has been tremendous.I would suggest to undercover elephant that he pops into the pub and has a word with either Neil or Josh.[/p][/quote]Palmeris60, can you re-examine your points above (not blaming you as you acting in good faith) The Pubs title deeds are (as at 2pm this afternoon still in name of club and not LB) Secondly, are the pub management paying the wrong person rent ? Needs looking in to ...... I am really even more looking forward to drinking in the still Watford owned pub .... You can do a title deeds search yourself online, it costs £3 and any member of the public can have access, this proves fact from fiction ![/p][/quote]Now £4. It will be in a limited company formed especially to take the legal title, so may not tell us anything.[/p][/quote]I paid £3 of my hard earned money today on the Land Registry website to get a copy of the title. Its Title Number HD398270 and the registered owner is Watford AFC Ltd (company registration number 00104194). Thats the same company that released its accounts this week and has Riva, Nani, Duxbury, Fransen and Timperley as its directors. shaky100
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10:22pm Fri 30 Nov 12

Holly68 says...

shaky100 wrote:
gloryhornet4 wrote:
Holly68 wrote:
palmeris60 wrote:
Not sure who undercover elephant is but wonder if he would like someone to suggest to others to boycott his business if he had one! The pub was transferred to LB after the accounting issue date.Josh Price &amp; Dave pay the money to LB monthly under the terms of the lease with an option to buy next year. Since the pub opened it's brought countless numbers of Watford &amp; Saracens fans together. We've had great legends already visit and feedback from fans has been tremendous.I would suggest to undercover elephant that he pops into the pub and has a word with either Neil or Josh.Palmeris60, can you re-examine your points above (not blaming you as you acting in good faith)

The Pubs title deeds are (as at 2pm this afternoon still in name of club and not LB)

Secondly, are the pub management paying the wrong person rent ?

Needs looking in to ......

I am really even more looking forward to drinking in the still Watford owned pub ....


You can do a title deeds search yourself online, it costs £3 and any member of the public can have access, this proves fact from fiction !Now £4. It will be in a limited company formed especially to take the legal title, so may not tell us anything.I paid £3 of my hard earned money today on the Land Registry website to get a copy of the title.

Its Title Number HD398270 and the registered owner is Watford AFC Ltd (company registration numberBeautiful !! Fact Proven
[quote][p][bold]shaky100[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gloryhornet4[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Holly68[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]palmeris60[/bold] wrote: Not sure who undercover elephant is but wonder if he would like someone to suggest to others to boycott his business if he had one! The pub was transferred to LB after the accounting issue date.Josh Price & Dave pay the money to LB monthly under the terms of the lease with an option to buy next year. Since the pub opened it's brought countless numbers of Watford & Saracens fans together. We've had great legends already visit and feedback from fans has been tremendous.I would suggest to undercover elephant that he pops into the pub and has a word with either Neil or Josh.[/p][/quote]Palmeris60, can you re-examine your points above (not blaming you as you acting in good faith) The Pubs title deeds are (as at 2pm this afternoon still in name of club and not LB) Secondly, are the pub management paying the wrong person rent ? Needs looking in to ...... I am really even more looking forward to drinking in the still Watford owned pub .... You can do a title deeds search yourself online, it costs £3 and any member of the public can have access, this proves fact from fiction ![/p][/quote]Now £4. It will be in a limited company formed especially to take the legal title, so may not tell us anything.[/p][/quote]I paid £3 of my hard earned money today on the Land Registry website to get a copy of the title. Its Title Number HD398270 and the registered owner is Watford AFC Ltd (company registration numberBeautiful !! Fact Proven Holly68
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10:44pm Fri 30 Nov 12

Reginald Dwight says...

buckler wrote:
Whatever , everyone's an expert! 1 question ? Where are the idiots that spent months arguing and backing this crook! Myself ,LD and others that have been banned because of it said it from day 1 ? Where are you? Back under the stone you weasels !
His band of consultants, sidekick lawyer and financial backers are off the clubs payroll so are probably more worried about their own futures now rather than being Baz's sycophants typing his propaganda on here!

There's none so blind as them what won't listen.....
[quote][p][bold]buckler[/bold] wrote: Whatever , everyone's an expert! 1 question ? Where are the idiots that spent months arguing and backing this crook! Myself ,LD and others that have been banned because of it said it from day 1 ? Where are you? Back under the stone you weasels ![/p][/quote]His band of consultants, sidekick lawyer and financial backers are off the clubs payroll so are probably more worried about their own futures now rather than being Baz's sycophants typing his propaganda on here! There's none so blind as them what won't listen..... Reginald Dwight
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10:39am Sat 1 Dec 12

mellow yellow says...

This whole sorry affair raises are far more serious question... That of the role of the FA and Football League when conducting fit and proper person tests.

Do they go like this:
"So, you have no experience of football, and you have been a bankrupt. You also refuse to tell us the source of your 'financing'. Are you a fit and proper person?"
"Yes."
"Thanks for clearing that up."

A great number of people strongly opposed Bassini taking over our club. Anyone with a shred of intelligence could see this might be a mistake. Yet the footballing authorities sanctioned it. Those very same footballing authorities that are now, potentially, punishing the club, in addition to its former owner. How can this possibly be happening? Surely they are accountable for their decision too? What a joke.

Three points today lads.
This whole sorry affair raises are far more serious question... That of the role of the FA and Football League when conducting fit and proper person tests. Do they go like this: "So, you have no experience of football, and you have been a bankrupt. You also refuse to tell us the source of your 'financing'. Are you a fit and proper person?" "Yes." "Thanks for clearing that up." A great number of people strongly opposed Bassini taking over our club. Anyone with a shred of intelligence could see this might be a mistake. Yet the footballing authorities sanctioned it. Those very same footballing authorities that are now, potentially, punishing the club, in addition to its former owner. How can this possibly be happening? Surely they are accountable for their decision too? What a joke. Three points today lads. mellow yellow
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11:02am Sat 1 Dec 12

hollywood101 says...

''I've never taken a penny out of Watford''

At least he never lied about that !

He took HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS.

WHAT AN ABSOLUTE A RSEHOLE
''I've never taken a penny out of Watford'' At least he never lied about that ! He took HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS. WHAT AN ABSOLUTE A RSEHOLE hollywood101
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11:21am Sat 1 Dec 12

Roy Stockdill says...

>This whole sorry affair raises are far more serious question... That of the role of the FA and Football League when conducting fit and proper person tests.<

As I have been saying repeatedly, doesn't the whole problem go far beyond just Watford's current troubles, the FA and the Football League? The whole of English football (can't speak about Scottish football because I know very little about it) is a veritable quagmire of corruption, venality, greed and extremely dodgy finances that hardly anyone seems to understand?

I get the feeling clubs regard the FA and the Football League with contempt and arrogantly believe they are above any law because both bodies are toothless tigers.

Perhaps, as I have also suggested, we need a Leveson-type inquiry into football?
>This whole sorry affair raises are far more serious question... That of the role of the FA and Football League when conducting fit and proper person tests.< As I have been saying repeatedly, doesn't the whole problem go far beyond just Watford's current troubles, the FA and the Football League? The whole of English football (can't speak about Scottish football because I know very little about it) is a veritable quagmire of corruption, venality, greed and extremely dodgy finances that hardly anyone seems to understand? I get the feeling clubs regard the FA and the Football League with contempt and arrogantly believe they are above any law because both bodies are toothless tigers. Perhaps, as I have also suggested, we need a Leveson-type inquiry into football? Roy Stockdill
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11:31am Sat 1 Dec 12

lutondown says...

Roy Stockdill wrote:
&gt;This whole sorry affair raises are far more serious question... That of the role of the FA and Football League when conducting fit and proper person tests.&lt;

As I have been saying repeatedly, doesn't the whole problem go far beyond just Watford's current troubles, the FA and the Football League? The whole of English football (can't speak about Scottish football because I know very little about it) is a veritable quagmire of corruption, venality, greed and extremely dodgy finances that hardly anyone seems to understand?

I get the feeling clubs regard the FA and the Football League with contempt and arrogantly believe they are above any law because both bodies are toothless tigers.

Perhaps, as I have also suggested, we need a Leveson-type inquiry into football?
Roy, on this you are right, except for one thing, they are very lenient to the top clubs and a lot less so with the smaller fish, who do not have the means to defend themselves.
As for the Scottish poser, Rangers were guilty no doubt, but possibly no more than other clubs up there.
Lots of scandal swept under the rug at their Glaswegian neighbours, But because of Rangers pro unionist and anti breakaway political stance, there is a SNP driven conspiracy against them.
The other lot with their pro IRA and republican tendencies ( refused to sell poppies at ground, pro IRA banners at games) are treated as some kind of saint by Scots and English media.
Nuts.
[quote][p][bold]Roy Stockdill[/bold] wrote: >This whole sorry affair raises are far more serious question... That of the role of the FA and Football League when conducting fit and proper person tests.< As I have been saying repeatedly, doesn't the whole problem go far beyond just Watford's current troubles, the FA and the Football League? The whole of English football (can't speak about Scottish football because I know very little about it) is a veritable quagmire of corruption, venality, greed and extremely dodgy finances that hardly anyone seems to understand? I get the feeling clubs regard the FA and the Football League with contempt and arrogantly believe they are above any law because both bodies are toothless tigers. Perhaps, as I have also suggested, we need a Leveson-type inquiry into football?[/p][/quote]Roy, on this you are right, except for one thing, they are very lenient to the top clubs and a lot less so with the smaller fish, who do not have the means to defend themselves. As for the Scottish poser, Rangers were guilty no doubt, but possibly no more than other clubs up there. Lots of scandal swept under the rug at their Glaswegian neighbours, But because of Rangers pro unionist and anti breakaway political stance, there is a SNP driven conspiracy against them. The other lot with their pro IRA and republican tendencies ( refused to sell poppies at ground, pro IRA banners at games) are treated as some kind of saint by Scots and English media. Nuts. lutondown
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11:40am Sat 1 Dec 12

Roy Stockdill says...

Yes, I agree with you lutondown. The football authorities do seem to treat the big clubs with more leniency. Indeed, they are probaby terrified witless by Sir Alex Ferguson.

As for Rangers and Celtic, what can one say? It is little more than sectarian barbarism.
Yes, I agree with you lutondown. The football authorities do seem to treat the big clubs with more leniency. Indeed, they are probaby terrified witless by Sir Alex Ferguson. As for Rangers and Celtic, what can one say? It is little more than sectarian barbarism. Roy Stockdill
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3:09am Mon 3 Dec 12

D.unstable says...

After Saturdays win and the FA cup draw I totally forgot about this sh*t hanging over us.
After Saturdays win and the FA cup draw I totally forgot about this sh*t hanging over us. D.unstable
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5:44am Mon 3 Dec 12

lutondown says...

D.unstable wrote:
After Saturdays win and the FA cup draw I totally forgot about this sh*t hanging over us.
Just enjoy the football mate, let the suits sort this out.
[quote][p][bold]D.unstable[/bold] wrote: After Saturdays win and the FA cup draw I totally forgot about this sh*t hanging over us.[/p][/quote]Just enjoy the football mate, let the suits sort this out. lutondown
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