Hornets land champions in FA Cup (From Watford Observer)

jasonwatford wrote:
Oh yes !!!! i will be there....this is what we are looking forward too and where we are going !! FF and Vydra Geijo Abdi this is where we are going !!! if they put a second string out we will smash them if they dont we have a real good game !!!! great draw

ChunkeyMonkey wrote:
Half the receipts will come in handy as well, but can't wait to see how far our football will match up with the champions.

jasonwatford wrote:
Oh look who pops up watforddogs.....As many on here will tell you im in the red lion on a match day and look forward to you coming in to say hello. If your old enough please do come say hello ask me face to face about your very intelligent comments.

GianlucaVialli the better italian wrote:
I'm sure we are all wondering if buckler and lutondown's pocket money will stretch to a trip up to Manchester.

Baz loves porridge wrote:
Walk In the park for us

I think we could give them a run for their money.. And show them how to play a 3-5-2

GianlucaVialli the better italian wrote:
I'm sure we are all wondering if buckler and lutondown's pocket money will stretch to a trip up to Manchester.

Holly68 wrote:

GianlucaVialli the better italian wrote:
I'm sure we are all wondering if buckler and lutondown's pocket money will stretch to a trip up to Manchester.

Constant jibing, hiding behind a username.

I wish these forums would use and publish people's real identity to stop the playground antics !

Great Draw, I'm there .... Probably train it, football special in order ???

lutondown wrote:

Holly68 wrote:

GianlucaVialli the better italian wrote:
I'm sure we are all wondering if buckler and lutondown's pocket money will stretch to a trip up to Manchester.

Constant jibing, hiding behind a username.

I wish these forums would use and publish people's real identity to stop the playground antics !

Great Draw, I'm there .... Probably train it, football special in order ???

And I'm sure you'll vouch I'm on pretty good pocket money for a man my age ;-)
Btw Paul, the lads beano to Burnley coach is not on, but I'm still going, how I'm not sure, if your game!

Roy Stockdill wrote:
I suspect the bookies will read it as the equivalent of a Blackpool beach donkey taking on Frankel.

But I wish you luck, seriously.

micksolly wrote:
It will be a good test for us pity it wasn't a lower prem team but bring it on...you orns

lutondown wrote:

micksolly wrote:
It will be a good test for us pity it wasn't a lower prem team but bring it on...you orns

Think big mate, and there are no bigger. City will not relish this, we will. I'm having a tenner on this.

Noodlehornet wrote:
Manchester's in Yorkshire, right?

Noodlehornet wrote:
Manchester's in Yorkshire, right?

lutondown wrote:

Noodlehornet wrote:
Manchester's in Yorkshire, right?

I also think you might be a matador! Waving that red rag to a white Bull!

DuffmanWFC wrote:
Great draw and I really think we can cause an upset! Half the gate receipts too so that should be a good £500,000 plus!
Hope we can get a good ticket allocation and sell out and maybe we can start to pull in the extra fans off the back of a good result!
Come on you orns!

Holly68 wrote:

DuffmanWFC wrote:
Great draw and I really think we can cause an upset! Half the gate receipts too so that should be a good £500,000 plus!
Hope we can get a good ticket allocation and sell out and maybe we can start to pull in the extra fans off the back of a good result!
Come on you orns!

We get a third as shared both clubs and FA after costs deducted.

Pricing will be £25 adults £10 kids I'm guesstimating

40,000 ppl at mean average £20 = £800,000 minus costs £200,000 I reckon we get a third of £600,000

If on TV, as away team playing a prem team I think it's another £125,000

But suspect that unlikely to be on TV as some other big games and not at the Vic

So £200,000 net gain is my guesstimate

Which is the equivalent of net (after costs) from two league games.

Then the players and management might have a draw or win bonus to come off the £200,000 (but then more revenue from replay or next round)

Still much better than Stockport at home in front of 8,000 for a tenner !!!

Roy Stockdill wrote:
Man City are currently favourites to win the FA Cup at 11-2. Watford are 250-1.

By all means, have a tenner, lutondown. Seriously, I do wish you luck and I expect a large glass of Rioja out of your winnings!

The last time Man City and Watford met in the FA Cup (at City) was on 5 Feb 1997 and City won 3-1.

Holly68 wrote:

DuffmanWFC wrote:
Great draw and I really think we can cause an upset! Half the gate receipts too so that should be a good £500,000 plus!
Hope we can get a good ticket allocation and sell out and maybe we can start to pull in the extra fans off the back of a good result!
Come on you orns!

We get a third as shared both clubs and FA after costs deducted.

Pricing will be £25 adults £10 kids I'm guesstimating

40,000 ppl at mean average £20 = £800,000 minus costs £200,000 I reckon we get a third of £600,000

If on TV, as away team playing a prem team I think it's another £125,000

But suspect that unlikely to be on TV as some other big games and not at the Vic

So £200,000 net gain is my guesstimate

Which is the equivalent of net (after costs) from two league games.

Then the players and management might have a draw or win bonus to come off the £200,000 (but then more revenue from replay or next round)

Still much better than Stockport at home in front of 8,000 for a tenner !!!

goldanboy wrote:
'there'

Noodlehornet wrote:

lutondown wrote:

Noodlehornet wrote:
Manchester's in Yorkshire, right?

I also think you might be a matador! Waving that red rag to a white Bull!

Its near enough. I'll take a 6-1 away win please. With a side order of some of that bull in a nice pastry please.

rogeruk wrote:

goldanboy wrote:
'there'

Watfordfc and Watford fans have quality all over, even checking and correcting their own spelling!

Forza Watford

CARDIFFHORN wrote:

Holly68 wrote:

DuffmanWFC wrote:
Great draw and I really think we can cause an upset! Half the gate receipts too so that should be a good £500,000 plus!
Hope we can get a good ticket allocation and sell out and maybe we can start to pull in the extra fans off the back of a good result!
Come on you orns!

We get a third as shared both clubs and FA after costs deducted.

Pricing will be £25 adults £10 kids I'm guesstimating

40,000 ppl at mean average £20 = £800,000 minus costs £200,000 I reckon we get a third of £600,000

If on TV, as away team playing a prem team I think it's another £125,000

But suspect that unlikely to be on TV as some other big games and not at the Vic

So £200,000 net gain is my guesstimate

Which is the equivalent of net (after costs) from two league games.

Then the players and management might have a draw or win bonus to come off the £200,000 (but then more revenue from replay or next round)

Still much better than Stockport at home in front of 8,000 for a tenner !!!

Without splitting hairs we only take 45% of the receipts.

Paul Gadd wrote:
Great to have got a Prem team to get the gate £££......a draw at their place and a win at ours will do nicely
Shame we didn't get to go to the 'kennel' and give the scum another 4-0 thrashing

COYH....and for one night only...Come on you Wolves!!

Roy Stockdill wrote:
Man City are currently favourites to win the FA Cup at 11-2. Watford are 250-1.

By all means, have a tenner, lutondown. Seriously, I do wish you luck and I expect a large glass of Rioja out of your winnings!

The last time Man City and Watford met in the FA Cup (at City) was on 5 Feb 1997 and City won 3-1.

Roy Stockdill wrote:
I suspect the bookies will read it as the equivalent of a Blackpool beach donkey taking on Frankel.

But I wish you luck, seriously.

Harrydownunder wrote:

Roy Stockdill wrote:
Man City are currently favourites to win the FA Cup at 11-2. Watford are 250-1.

By all means, have a tenner, lutondown. Seriously, I do wish you luck and I expect a large glass of Rioja out of your winnings!

The last time Man City and Watford met in the FA Cup (at City) was on 5 Feb 1997 and City won 3-1.

Yup, I remember that well. A few mates and I got a good kicking outside the sherwood arms!! Well worrth it to see us win in the second replay!

akureyri wrote:
I think I will be a glory hunter if the game is saturday and I can but a flight.

akureyri wrote:

akureyri wrote:
I think I will be a glory hunter if the game is saturday and I can but a flight.

buy a flight

DuffmanWFC wrote:
Great draw and I really think we can cause an upset! Half the gate receipts too so that should be a good £500,000 plus!
Hope we can get a good ticket allocation and sell out and maybe we can start to pull in the extra fans off the back of a good result!
Come on you orns!

Roy Stockdill wrote:
I would have thought Watford may just have had a better chance of winning the tie if Manchester City had not been dumped out of the European Champions League because City then might have fielded a third team, bearing in mind that to the big clubs the FA Cup is no longer the major prize it once was, sadly for the history of the game.

However, I suspect City would quite fancy a double of the Premiership and FA Cup, so they will probably field one of their best teams from their squad.

Sir Alexander of Hillcroft wrote:
All those who hoped Troy's stretch in clink may have engendered a willingness to live within the law within him, were sadly mistaken....

Watford FC striker Troy Deeney has been fined after pleading guilty to motoring offences.

Deeney, 24, admitted failing to produce a driving licence, proof of insurance and proof of having an MOT during a hearing at Solihull Magistrates Court last Thursday (November 29).

The in-form frontman was stopped by West Midlands Police close to his Chelmsley Wood home on September 27, less than three weeks after he was released from jail having served three months of a 10-month sentence for kicking a man in the head on a night out in Birmingham.


Deeney was fined £666 and ordered to pay £80 in costs and a £15 victim surcharge.

The former Walsall striker has scored eight goals this season, six in his last five matches.

Sir Alexander of Hillcroft wrote:

lutondown wrote:

Sir Alexander of Hillcroft wrote:
All those who hoped Troy's stretch in clink may have engendered a willingness to live within the law within him, were sadly mistaken....

Watford FC striker Troy Deeney has been fined after pleading guilty to motoring offences.

Deeney, 24, admitted failing to produce a driving licence, proof of insurance and proof of having an MOT during a hearing at Solihull Magistrates Court last Thursday (November 29).

The in-form frontman was stopped by West Midlands Police close to his Chelmsley Wood home on September 27, less than three weeks after he was released from jail having served three months of a 10-month sentence for kicking a man in the head on a night out in Birmingham.


Deeney was fined £666 and ordered to pay £80 in costs and a £15 victim surcharge.

The former Walsall striker has scored eight goals this season, six in his last five matches.

And your point is? What is this Troy watch. You can hardly equate a motoring offence with his original crime.
He obviously has a licence otherwise that would have been part of the charge.
I do agree with the last part, he's scored eight goals, six recently. That's all I'm interested in.

My point, CouncilHouse, is in the first paragraph of my post - which, for your benefit, is repeated below

All those who hoped Troy's stretch in clink may have engendered a willingness to live within the law within him, were sadly mistaken....

D.unstable wrote:

Sir Alexander of Hillcroft wrote:

lutondown wrote:

Sir Alexander of Hillcroft wrote:

lutondown wrote:

Sir Alexander of Hillcroft wrote:
All those who hoped Troy's stretch in clink may have engendered a willingness to live within the law within him, were sadly mistaken....

Watford FC striker Troy Deeney has been fined after pleading guilty to motoring offences.

Deeney, 24, admitted failing to produce a driving licence, proof of insurance and proof of having an MOT during a hearing at Solihull Magistrates Court last Thursday (November 29).

The in-form frontman was stopped by West Midlands Police close to his Chelmsley Wood home on September 27, less than three weeks after he was released from jail having served three months of a 10-month sentence for kicking a man in the head on a night out in Birmingham.


Deeney was fined £666 and ordered to pay £80 in costs and a £15 victim surcharge.

The former Walsall striker has scored eight goals this season, six in his last five matches.

And your point is? What is this Troy watch. You can hardly equate a motoring offence with his original crime.
He obviously has a licence otherwise that would have been part of the charge.
I do agree with the last part, he's scored eight goals, six recently. That's all I'm interested in.

My point, CouncilHouse, is in the first paragraph of my post - which, for your benefit, is repeated below

All those who hoped Troy's stretch in clink may have engendered a willingness to live within the law within him, were sadly mistaken....

It's a motoring offence, most of us commit them every day. Anyway why do you watch football? It's full of us council house types come good. I mean in your Over priced three bed semi in a dilapidated part of South Oxhey borders, your pretensions of grandeur should have you heading to Twickers not the Vic.
He's scored eight goals, he's only scored eight goals, eight goals he's only scored eight goals..was there anything else?

LoL!!
You take the bait every time, don't you, CouncilHouse?!! Night night

Breaking news!!! Watford striker was spotted mixing his recyclable plastic with his card and paper only 2 months after his release from jail. The Watford Observer would like to thank weird Deeney stalker Alex from Sarf Oxhey for bringing this to the attention of all that give a 5hit.

Roy Stockdill wrote:
>I do agree with the last part, he's scored eight goals, six recently. That's all I'm interested in.<

Pity the Yorkshire Ripper's a bit old for football now. I believe he was a useful midfielder in his day.

As for Deeney, surely it must be obvious to even the most blind and bigoted fan that he is, like many footballers, not just as thick as the proverbial plank but as an entire woodshed. He clearly has very little respect for the law, assuming he even knows what it is.

Roy Stockdill wrote:
Yes, I wondered that!

Maybe he's thinking of 1986 when it did go to two replays. The teams drew 1-1 at City, 0-0 at Watford and Watford won the second replay at City 3-1.

I may not know a lot about present-day football but I do know enough about the internet to know that you can find the head-to-head results between any two teams with Google.

Roy Stockdill wrote:
Motoring offences are NOT victimless crimes. At the end of the day we all pay, one way or another.

I wonder why he failed to produce his licence, proof of insurance and MoT certificate if he had them? Was any explanation given to the court?

I find the views of some of you cockeyed fans increasingly hilarious! Presumably you wouldn't mind a mass murderer or a paedophile playing for Watford as long as he scored goals?

Roy Stockdill wrote:
>If Troy has a low opinion of the system I'm sure he is not alone, built by Tories for Tories under the guise of serving the public.<

I bet a political discussion with Troy would be an interesting exercise! He must be the intellectual of the Watford changing room and I'm sure the other plays must be queueing up to hear his views on Budget Day.

Roy Stockdill wrote:
I was speaking in general terms.

Although Deeney wasn't charged with driving without a licence, insurance or MoT (only failing to produce them), those offences pose a serious danger to the public, yet magistrates seem to let motorists off lightly and some of the comments above seem to suggest that some drivers think being caught is a joke and doesn't matter.

Apart from the risk of an unlicensed, uninsured driver killing or injuring someone, it affects everybody when the insurance companies put their premiums up.

The costs of a court hearing are also considerable when all kinds of unidentifiable things are taken into account, so I doubt £751 covered it all.

In any event, he must be very stupid if he didn't realise he was committing an offence by not producing the documents. Does no-one at Watford FC take responsibility for guiding tearaways like Deeney and helping to keep him on the straight and narrow?

Roy Stockdill wrote:
>With all due respect I'm sure many of us would prefer to listen to Troy's political views rather than your sad, sorry DMR retoric or tales of your favorite "Spanish Rioja" (as if there were others).<

The word is spelt FAVOURITE. Favorite is the American version and, sadly, too many people appear not to know the difference these days. The other word you misspelt is RHETORIC.

I blame modern education of which I expect Deeney is a typical example!

Roy Stockdill wrote:
>With all due respect I'm sure many of us would prefer to listen to Troy's political views rather than your sad, sorry DMR retoric or tales of your favorite "Spanish Rioja" (as if there were others).<

The word is spelt FAVOURITE. Favorite is the American version and, sadly, too many people appear not to know the difference these days. The other word you misspelt is RHETORIC.

I blame modern education of which I expect Deeney is a typical example!

lutondown wrote:

Roy Stockdill wrote:
>With all due respect I'm sure many of us would prefer to listen to Troy's political views rather than your sad, sorry DMR retoric or tales of your favorite "Spanish Rioja" (as if there were others).<

The word is spelt FAVOURITE. Favorite is the American version and, sadly, too many people appear not to know the difference these days. The other word you misspelt is RHETORIC.

I blame modern education of which I expect Deeney is a typical example!

Ok so your grammatically superior to us. We bow, so can you now booger
(misspelled) off back to winding the Commies up.
By the way most people send their messages in; on the hop from phones and other mobile devices not sat in front of their pcs.

SAHornet wrote:

lutondown wrote:

Roy Stockdill wrote:
>With all due respect I'm sure many of us would prefer to listen to Troy's political views rather than your sad, sorry DMR retoric or tales of your favorite "Spanish Rioja" (as if there were others).<

The word is spelt FAVOURITE. Favorite is the American version and, sadly, too many people appear not to know the difference these days. The other word you misspelt is RHETORIC.

I blame modern education of which I expect Deeney is a typical example!

Ok so your grammatically superior to us. We bow, so can you now booger
(misspelled) off back to winding the Commies up.
By the way most people send their messages in; on the hop from phones and other mobile devices not sat in front of their pcs.

I don't LD. My 12 year old nokia is incapable of owt else other than sms or calls....ahhh bliss. By the way, who's this Stockdilly tool?

Roy Stockdill wrote:
Actually, I had a very good, traditional education at a grammar school in Yorkshire and after leaving school I went to evening classes while working as a junior reporter on the local evening paper and passed A-Levels in English and History. I like to say, in the old cliche, that I was educated in the university of life.I have spent all my working life in publishing of one kind or another - newspapers, magazines and books - and consider myself a highly literate exponent of the English language.

From what I read these days, modern exams are dumbed down so that almost anybody can pass them and I constantly hear of employers complaining that young people are semi-literate and innumerate and unemployable. That is probably because they mostly go to comprehensive schools, with incompetent teachers, where everyone is dumbed down to the lowest common denominator. Bring back the grammar schools!

Roy Stockdill wrote:
Actually, I had a very good, traditional education at a grammar school in Yorkshire and after leaving school I went to evening classes while working as a junior reporter on the local evening paper and passed A-Levels in English and History. I like to say, in the old cliche, that I was educated in the university of life.I have spent all my working life in publishing of one kind or another - newspapers, magazines and books - and consider myself a highly literate exponent of the English language.

From what I read these days, modern exams are dumbed down so that almost anybody can pass them and I constantly hear of employers complaining that young people are semi-literate and innumerate and unemployable. That is probably because they mostly go to comprehensive schools, with incompetent teachers, where everyone is dumbed down to the lowest common denominator. Bring back the grammar schools!

Smilingburkinshaw wrote:
These forums are a joke now. Came to read about Watford FC and it ends up on the British education system and Roy Stockdicks life story AGAIN...

Smilingburkinshaw wrote:
Well I've booked my train tickets, when do the tickets for game go on sale? Can't wait, we are definetely a potential banana skin for them! Just hope it's close and we don't get smashed like we did at Chelsea a few years back! Was all excited before that game but wanted to leave at ht!!! Much better team now though!!!

Roy Stockdill wrote:
I wish Watford luck, seriously.

But I think your best bet is to hope that Man City put out a second team and that you can get them back to Vicarage Road for a replay.

However, I feel bound to ask a simple question: how many Watford players would get into Man City's squad?

Smilingburkinshaw wrote:
These forums are a joke now. Came to read about Watford FC and it ends up on the British education system and Roy Stockdicks life story AGAIN...

Roy Stockdill wrote:
I might add that those who post here in pseudonyms or false names are cowards in my book.

Why can't you give your real names? What's the problem? Are you afraid to tell the truth?

Roy Stockdill wrote:
>And In answer to your Paedophile poser, no I wouldn't support him nor anyone else, but he has not committed that heinous crime so it's a pointless supposition.<

No, he just kicked somebody in the head when the other fellow was lying on the ground. Then, within a short time of being let out of prison, he goes and commits motoring offences.

You really don't get it, do you? He is clearly a person of very limited intelligence and education and an affront to most civilised people, but because he occasionally manages to get a ball between a couple of upright sticks of wood to thick football fans he is a hero!

Isn't it interesting that there isn't a single footballer on the short list for the Sports Personality of the Year? Instead, we have a line-up of our magnificent Olympians and Para-Olympians - Bradley Wiggins, Chris Hoy, Jess Ennis, Mo Farah, David Weir, Ellie Simmonds, Andy Murray et al? REAL sportsmen and women, not the dregs from the gutters of Birmingham and other sink estates.

Bringe wrote:
"REAL sportsmen and women, not the dregs from the gutters of Birmingham and other sink estates."

I'm sure Pele would just love you!!!

Roy Stockdill wrote:
>I'm sure Pele would just love you!!!<

Surely you're not comparing Troy Deeney with Pele, are you? That's like comparing some half-witted cretin attempting to sing on The X Factor with Frank Sinatra!

Roy Stockdill wrote:
That's fine by me, I've never been much bothered about folks disagreeing with me.

It's a concept called freedom of speech and is enshrined in Article 10 of the Human Rights Act - not that I've a lot of time for the HRA, mind you, since it seems to be mostly a gravy train for lawyers.

Roy Stockdill wrote:
>And In answer to your Paedophile poser, no I wouldn't support him nor anyone else, but he has not committed that heinous crime so it's a pointless supposition.<

No, he just kicked somebody in the head when the other fellow was lying on the ground. Then, within a short time of being let out of prison, he goes and commits motoring offences.

You really don't get it, do you? He is clearly a person of very limited intelligence and education and an affront to most civilised people, but because he occasionally manages to get a ball between a couple of upright sticks of wood to thick football fans he is a hero!

Isn't it interesting that there isn't a single footballer on the short list for the Sports Personality of the Year? Instead, we have a line-up of our magnificent Olympians and Para-Olympians - Bradley Wiggins, Chris Hoy, Jess Ennis, Mo Farah, David Weir, Ellie Simmonds, Andy Murray et al? REAL sportsmen and women, not the dregs from the gutters of Birmingham and other sink estates.

GianlucaVialli the better italian wrote:

Roy Stockdill wrote:
>And In answer to your Paedophile poser, no I wouldn't support him nor anyone else, but he has not committed that heinous crime so it's a pointless supposition.<

No, he just kicked somebody in the head when the other fellow was lying on the ground. Then, within a short time of being let out of prison, he goes and commits motoring offences.

You really don't get it, do you? He is clearly a person of very limited intelligence and education and an affront to most civilised people, but because he occasionally manages to get a ball between a couple of upright sticks of wood to thick football fans he is a hero!

Isn't it interesting that there isn't a single footballer on the short list for the Sports Personality of the Year? Instead, we have a line-up of our magnificent Olympians and Para-Olympians - Bradley Wiggins, Chris Hoy, Jess Ennis, Mo Farah, David Weir, Ellie Simmonds, Andy Murray et al? REAL sportsmen and women, not the dregs from the gutters of Birmingham and other sink estates.

You know how much I love an argument with lutondowney jr, but Roy I must agree with him here.
There are many floors in your argument, the main one being that in a recent survey football fans were deemed ten times smarter than Olympic fans. Secondly you claim footballers, "get a ball between upright sticks of wood," yet all cyclists do is ride in an oval, all swimmers do is move their arms and legs up and down, all runners do is move from A to B. You can argue against all sports for being pointless.

lutondown wrote:

GianlucaVialli the better italian wrote:

Roy Stockdill wrote:
>And In answer to your Paedophile poser, no I wouldn't support him nor anyone else, but he has not committed that heinous crime so it's a pointless supposition.<

No, he just kicked somebody in the head when the other fellow was lying on the ground. Then, within a short time of being let out of prison, he goes and commits motoring offences.

You really don't get it, do you? He is clearly a person of very limited intelligence and education and an affront to most civilised people, but because he occasionally manages to get a ball between a couple of upright sticks of wood to thick football fans he is a hero!

Isn't it interesting that there isn't a single footballer on the short list for the Sports Personality of the Year? Instead, we have a line-up of our magnificent Olympians and Para-Olympians - Bradley Wiggins, Chris Hoy, Jess Ennis, Mo Farah, David Weir, Ellie Simmonds, Andy Murray et al? REAL sportsmen and women, not the dregs from the gutters of Birmingham and other sink estates.

You know how much I love an argument with lutondowney jr, but Roy I must agree with him here.
There are many floors in your argument, the main one being that in a recent survey football fans were deemed ten times smarter than Olympic fans. Secondly you claim footballers, "get a ball between upright sticks of wood," yet all cyclists do is ride in an oval, all swimmers do is move their arms and legs up and down, all runners do is move from A to B. You can argue against all sports for being pointless.

And I would argue that your pointless, gianpooper the cyber warrior
Couldn't resist it.
Floors? WOY WILL LOVE THAT! Lol

Roy Stockdill wrote:
>Secondly you claim footballers, "get a ball between upright sticks of wood," yet all cyclists do is ride in an oval, all swimmers do is move their arms and legs up and down, all runners do is move from A to B. You can argue against all sports for being pointless.<

Track cyclists ride round an oval velodrome, yes, but what about road race cyclists like Bradley Wiggins who ride for three weeks in the Tour de France, well over 100 miles a day, often at more than 40-50 miles an hour, going from the baking sun of the flat to the freezing heights of the Alps or Pyrenees. Winning the Tour de France is a far more gruelling sporting achievement than any footballer ever experiences. The competition is going to be intense this year but I think Wiggo will win it, especially after also winning gold at the Olympics.

Smilingburkinshaw wrote:
I got A levels A-C in English, History and Politics and I went to a Comprehensive.

You are talking utter gibberish, you generalise and insult in equal measure.

Roy Stockdill wrote:
>I got A levels A-C in English, History and Politics and I went to a Comprehensive.<

Well, I expect in earlier days you'd have gone to a grammar school. Look at the examination results tables when they're published and I think you will find it is almost always the older, traditional grammar schools (those still existing, that is), that come top.

Roy Stockdill wrote:
>I got A levels A-C in English, History and Politics and I went to a Comprehensive.< Well, I expect in earlier days you'd have gone to a grammar school. Look at the examination results tables when they're published and I think you will find it is almost always the older, traditional grammar schools (those still existing, that is), that come top.

Roy Stockdill wrote:
Well, in my day you had to pass the 11-plus to get to a grammar school. If you failed you went to a secondary modern and I didn't fail.

And I assure you I got A-levels in English and History, I may still even have the documentary proof somewhere, though I haven't seen it for years.

Personally, I never saw anything wrong with the grammar-secondary modern system. Grammar schools produced the academic pupils who became administrators, teachers, scientists, mathematicians, chemists, physicists, writers, actors, theatre directors, and (dare I say it) bankers, journalists and even politicians!

The secondary-mods took the less academically gifted who became artisans and tradespeople, plumbers, builders, electricians, etc, who were just as important to society - even footballers! I've written probably several million published words in my working life but I wouldn't dream of attempting to rewire my house or mend the washing machine. It's an old concept called horses for courses.

When comprehensive schools came in and treated everyone according to the lowest common denominator, that was when the educational system began to fall apart. The plain and simple fact is that kids aren't equal because they are all born with different skills and academic ability (or lack of it). I presume you are one of the latter category?

Your comparison of your 3-year-old to Bradley Wiggins merely shows how ridiculous you are. Are you thinking of entering your kid for the Tour de France then? I used to do a bit of racing myself - 10 and 25-mile time trials - and remember how tough it can be.

Roy Stockdill wrote:
>I live on the Meriden, so if Roy wants to consider that a sink estate he is welcome to.<

An interesting mixture, since it contains many private homes that were formerly council houses bought by the tenants under the Iron Lady's administration. I certainly didn't approve of many things she did - the destruction of our traditional industries like coal and steel, especially in the north, and the way she pandered to her spiv friends in the City, for instance - but letting people buy their council houses was perhaps one of the cleverer things of her time.

Smilingburkinshaw wrote:

Roy Stockdill wrote:
>I got A levels A-C in English, History and Politics and I went to a Comprehensive.< Well, I expect in earlier days you'd have gone to a grammar school. Look at the examination results tables when they're published and I think you will find it is almost always the older, traditional grammar schools (those still existing, that is), that come top.

Na, i failed my 11+

Roy Stockdill wrote:
>I got A levels A-C in English, History and Politics and I went to a Comprehensive.<

Well, I expect in earlier days you'd have gone to a grammar school. Look at the examination results tables when they're published and I think you will find it is almost always the older, traditional grammar schools (those still existing, that is), that come top.

Smilingburkinshaw wrote:
I live on the Meriden, so if Roy wants to consider that a sink estate he is welcome to. I've seen a few things Lutondown!!!! :)

Roy Stockdill wrote:
>It's well known that 80% of students at Watford Boys Grammar school have tried class A drugs, with 45% becoming addicted.<

Do you have proof of this? Is there some kind of documentary evidence or is your remark about it being "well known" just a piece of local folklore and hearsay?

I'd be interested to hear what the headteacher of Watford BGS has to say about this when you suggest that almost half his pupils are drug addicts!

Roy Stockdill wrote:
BTW, I forgot to mention that if anyone wants to chuck punches or darts at their TV screen, you may just have an opportunity tonight on BBC1 at 9.0 p.m. in the last episode of the current series of Who Do You Think You Are? !!!

I cannot guarantee that I will be appearing because I know what television people are like with their editing, but I was filmed for 2 hours at the Society of Genealogists in London with the stand-up comedian John Bishop, helping him trace his family tree. Of course, not many of you will see it, I imagine, because's football on ITV4 (Tottenham) at the same time!

Roy Stockdill wrote:
Well, he's from Liverpool but he seemed a very nice chap despite that!

Roy Stockdill wrote:
Thank you, folks I did my best. My accent has deteriorated since I came south! The tie was just one of many stripy ones that I own.

Roy Stockdill wrote:
Thank you, folks I did my best. My accent has deteriorated since I came south! The tie was just one of many stripy ones that I own.

Smilingburkinshaw wrote:
Lutondown, he's turning you to the dark side, use all the force to fend him off!!! Darth stockdick strikes back

Smilingburkinshaw wrote:
Haha give it a tickle for me!!!

Smilingburkinshaw wrote:
Well I'm English German irish and my family all fought against each other in the 1st war. That's the 1st world war not the Boar war where Stokdick served