'Some of the things that we saw were really good' (From Watford Observer)

Almen Abdi.. Watfords driving force

Great to see the players at the Carol concert and the board members, very moving readings and stories from the Peace Hospice #TheWatfordWay

6 wins, 3 draws and only 1 loss since the beggining of November scoring 26 goals and only 10 conceded. Tell me that this is not promotion form. It is now all about consistency as we have shown that we can beat anyone in this league.

Watch out Fatty McPie we are coming to get you!!!

Three very possible wins coming up as well. At the very least 2 draws and a win - 5 points. I think as far as the play-offs are concerned, we're here to stay but that is as far as I will go!

D.unstable wrote:
6 wins, 3 draws and only 1 loss since the beggining of November scoring 26 goals and only 10 conceded. Tell me that this is not promotion form. It is now all about consistency as we have shown that we can beat anyone in this league.

Watch out Fatty McPie we are coming to get you!!!

Fatty and his ageing team if Watford rejects are going to wobble in more than one way!
Agree Tony, this form maintained and we're only going one way!
Good to see 15k at the Vic. Are people finally coming to their senses? First class football at the Vic

Nice to meet Bill Shipwright in the Legends Lounge after the game. I used to watch him play at right back in the fifties - one of my heroes. A legend in the Legends Lounge. Happy birthday Bill !

lutondown wrote:

D.unstable wrote:
6 wins, 3 draws and only 1 loss since the beggining of November scoring 26 goals and only 10 conceded. Tell me that this is not promotion form. It is now all about consistency as we have shown that we can beat anyone in this league.

Watch out Fatty McPie we are coming to get you!!!

Fatty and his ageing team if Watford rejects are going to wobble in more than one way!
Agree Tony, this form maintained and we're only going one way!
Good to see 15k at the Vic. Are people finally coming to their senses? First class football at the Vic

Indeed, we should be at least be averaging gates of 15K with the quality on show. Although it is tough times for many especially when taking family the club are doing what they can to make it affordable with the family 40 deals and half season tickets.

Even those with glass half empty must be thinking almost safe from relegation!!!

Message to all those that called it wrong, the Baz supporters, the feeder club brigade and the negative numpties. Go change your name, eat humble pie and get on board. Merry Christmas to one and all.

For the first time in many many years Opposition fans are starting to think we'll be lucky to get anything from the game when they play us and acknowledging that we are becoming a class act.

Get in there!!!

Yeah we are a very strong side that fears no one in this league.
It will be great to see some of the loan players sign on a permanent basis in January! The likes of Abdi, Vydra, Pudil, Forestieri and Ekstrand have really transformed our side!
That with Zola getting the best from Deeney, Hoban and Fitz Hall have really impressed me!
It will help our wage bill if we could ensure the sales of Iwulumo, Garner, Dickinson and Jenkins!
That and send back Anya and Belleck will save us in wages and maybe have some money in the pot to buy a player? Do we need another Midfielder or a striker? Or have we got enough?
Whatever happens I still believe in the Pozzo's, the board, Zola and the players!
We really are going places and the days of just trying to survive in the Chhampionship are well and truly behind us!
Happy Xmas everyone! I will enjoy my turkey even more in Tuesday knowing the future is bright... The future is yellow!

Unless anyone is injured I don't want the squad rotation, unless FF is fit. In theory the one game GFZ may do this is versus Brighton(who will be rested as no game on Boxing Day) and that's our hardest game on paper.

Don't know about sending Beleck back, thought he played very well when he came on yesterday. If Scannell got a pen for Huddersfield yesterday why didn't Beleck get one for us instead of a yellow card? TBF I couldn't see if there was contact or not, but regardless of that I thought the officials were poor again yesterday. And the lack of officiating quality in the Championship was highlighted for all to see in the Palace game on Sky yesterday.

Never mind, we are playing well and I can only see us improving as GFZ clears out the dead wood and continues on this path. We should all be very happy hornets this festive season.

Happy Christmas!

Just me, or do we look more effective without Forestieri rolling around? Certainly easier to like. Vydra's attitude is outstanding - he deserves a proper run in the side.

DuffmanWFC wrote:
Yeah we are a very strong side that fears no one in this league.
It will be great to see some of the loan players sign on a permanent basis in January! The likes of Abdi, Vydra, Pudil, Forestieri and Ekstrand have really transformed our side!
That with Zola getting the best from Deeney, Hoban and Fitz Hall have really impressed me!
It will help our wage bill if we could ensure the sales of Iwulumo, Garner, Dickinson and Jenkins!
That and send back Anya and Belleck will save us in wages and maybe have some money in the pot to buy a player? Do we need another Midfielder or a striker? Or have we got enough?
Whatever happens I still believe in the Pozzo's, the board, Zola and the players!
We really are going places and the days of just trying to survive in the Chhampionship are well and truly behind us!
Happy Xmas everyone! I will enjoy my turkey even more in Tuesday knowing the future is bright... The future is yellow!

Duffers we don't want to send Anya back. He's a good pacy little player who offers something different - maybe not for the starting 11 at the moment. Equally I don't see why Beleck shouldn't be retained. He's a striker who could come good this season. Once Garner and Big Chris have gone we will need cover while Britt is still learning his craft at Southend.

We also need to extend Fitz's contract. Apparently other clubs are sniffing around because he only signed for 12 months. But with Nos coming back we do have cover.

The beauty of this also is that we have spent exactly diddly squat in transfer fees !! unlike the likes of Cardiff, Leicester, Blackburn etc and yet we have the strongest squad in the division !
Saving our money for our new stand/ stadium I hope and scouting for new Messi,s.
Happy Christmas Hornets !

bushey tales wrote:
Just me, or do we look more effective without Forestieri rolling around? Certainly easier to like. Vydra's attitude is outstanding - he deserves a proper run in the side.

It's not about being better without Fessi. It is about being better WITH Abdi. He's a very important player. FF is a brilliant player too and offers so much. And I disagree about us being more likeable without him. He doesn't roll around and even the refs are waking up to that. Players just can't cope with him.

It's nice having such a big choice of good quality players but I can't see Beleck getting infront of Vydra, Deeney, Geijo or Forestieri - not has fault really! He's just been unfortunate that the other strikers have been impressive!
I suppose it depends on whether or not Zola sings up Geijo in January as he's a free agent in the summer and its already been said that Vydra and Forsetieri are signing in Jan and hopefully Troy will get an extended contract too!
With this in mind will keeping Beleck be of real interest to the club? He doesn't seem to have a future at the club and there is no point in keeping players based on sentiment is there?
Jury is still out on Anya but I'd rather see a first team squad place go to the likes of Murray, Smith, Thompson or Hodson then him, maybe because there from our academy!
We still have Nosworthy, Bauban and Eustace to come back into the side/first team squad! Also Zola may have his eye on a transfer or two?

Bush Hornet wrote:

DuffmanWFC wrote:
Yeah we are a very strong side that fears no one in this league.
It will be great to see some of the loan players sign on a permanent basis in January! The likes of Abdi, Vydra, Pudil, Forestieri and Ekstrand have really transformed our side!
That with Zola getting the best from Deeney, Hoban and Fitz Hall have really impressed me!
It will help our wage bill if we could ensure the sales of Iwulumo, Garner, Dickinson and Jenkins!
That and send back Anya and Belleck will save us in wages and maybe have some money in the pot to buy a player? Do we need another Midfielder or a striker? Or have we got enough?
Whatever happens I still believe in the Pozzo's, the board, Zola and the players!
We really are going places and the days of just trying to survive in the Chhampionship are well and truly behind us!
Happy Xmas everyone! I will enjoy my turkey even more in Tuesday knowing the future is bright... The future is yellow!

Duffers we don't want to send Anya back. He's a good pacy little player who offers something different - maybe not for the starting 11 at the moment. Equally I don't see why Beleck shouldn't be retained. He's a striker who could come good this season. Once Garner and Big Chris have gone we will need cover while Britt is still learning his craft at Southend.

We also need to extend Fitz's contract. Apparently other clubs are sniffing around because he only signed for 12 months. But with Nos coming back we do have cover.

Agree Bush Hornet with your squad selection exactly, but Nos distribution not great ! does tend to hoof it on occasions , good defender on his day though !
must say impressed with Joely Ekstrand improving all the time and could be top draw !

Bush Hornet wrote:

bushey tales wrote:
Just me, or do we look more effective without Forestieri rolling around? Certainly easier to like. Vydra's attitude is outstanding - he deserves a proper run in the side.

It's not about being better without Fessi. It is about being better WITH Abdi. He's a very important player. FF is a brilliant player too and offers so much. And I disagree about us being more likeable without him. He doesn't roll around and even the refs are waking up to that. Players just can't cope with him.

I think Bushey Wails is struggling to come to terms with his utter brilliance, highlighting the perceived negatives, and ignoring his tireless running, good tackling and the sheer fizz he brings to the size.
But then why would someone bankers for the bad old days like the revolution?
And as for Abdi? My pick of the bunch. Brilliant.
Wonder if anyone noticed how much more vocal Cassetti is, commanding and ordering. Captain?
Be interesting come Jan. the ins and outs.
By the way, Wails. Merry Xmas. Be happy! And to you as well Sven the Svede!

LD, I think I'm coming to the same conclusion about Abdi - pure class. And Cassetti is really showing quality now. Captain? Why not, except that Zola still wants to give John Eustace a good chance when he returns. I'm glad about that cos JE is an intelligent leader who has always played his heart out for us. If he can fit in then he should be captain.

If FF can hit the ground running over this busy period then we will put ourselves firmly in the promotion pack. 

LD have a lovely time in Florida. Will you be dropping in on Mrs T in hospital before you head off? Tell her she's lucky to still be alive with her private health care, and hell will be like the Britain she tried to create so she shouldn't fear death.

Happy Christmas everyone :-)

D.unstable wrote:
6 wins, 3 draws and only 1 loss since the beggining of November scoring 26 goals and only 10 conceded. Tell me that this is not promotion form. It is now all about consistency as we have shown that we can beat anyone in this league.

Watch out Fatty McPie we are coming to get you!!!

MacFat's team looked lucky to win yesterday. We're better than them.

Bush Hornet wrote:
LD, I think I'm coming to the same conclusion about Abdi - pure class. And Cassetti is really showing quality now. Captain? Why not, except that Zola still wants to give John Eustace a good chance when he returns. I'm glad about that cos JE is an intelligent leader who has always played his heart out for us. If he can fit in then he should be captain.

If FF can hit the ground running over this busy period then we will put ourselves firmly in the promotion pack. 

LD have a lovely time in Florida. Will you be dropping in on Mrs T in hospital before you head off? Tell her she's lucky to still be alive with her private health care, and hell will be like the Britain she tried to create so she shouldn't fear death.

Happy Christmas everyone :-)

That's very political buddy. I think the hell that Blair and Brown has created for our children will be far worse. Anyway, I hate the whole Liblabcon conundrum. Too alike I'm afraid!
Back to what's important, the football. Have a great Christmas if you observe it in your Red temple! And whatever our political difference we agree on one thing. Watford!
We'll have that pint soon!

Bush Hornet wrote:

D.unstable wrote:
6 wins, 3 draws and only 1 loss since the beggining of November scoring 26 goals and only 10 conceded. Tell me that this is not promotion form. It is now all about consistency as we have shown that we can beat anyone in this league.

Watch out Fatty McPie we are coming to get you!!!

MacFat's team looked lucky to win yesterday. We're better than them.

We agree! We are better, and he's got fatter

lutondown wrote:

Bush Hornet wrote:
LD, I think I'm coming to the same conclusion about Abdi - pure class. And Cassetti is really showing quality now. Captain? Why not, except that Zola still wants to give John Eustace a good chance when he returns. I'm glad about that cos JE is an intelligent leader who has always played his heart out for us. If he can fit in then he should be captain.

If FF can hit the ground running over this busy period then we will put ourselves firmly in the promotion pack. 

LD have a lovely time in Florida. Will you be dropping in on Mrs T in hospital before you head off? Tell her she's lucky to still be alive with her private health care, and hell will be like the Britain she tried to create so she shouldn't fear death.

Happy Christmas everyone :-)

That's very political buddy. I think the hell that Blair and Brown has created for our children will be far worse. Anyway, I hate the whole Liblabcon conundrum. Too alike I'm afraid!
Back to what's important, the football. Have a great Christmas if you observe it in your Red temple! And whatever our political difference we agree on one thing. Watford!
We'll have that pint soon!

Sorry. Just feeling festive and facetious. It's the Old Speckled Hen and mince pies. I'm not a Blairite either and Brown is just a dour opportunist who was found out like his greedy fat compatriot Malky will be. Christmas is a time for pontificating and drinking and enjoying yesterday's win. And hoping for a better society. God bless you Lutondown. And all the minions and all the thatcherites and Aidy Boothroyd and his wife Betty! Dyche out!

Ooh here comes my mother in law with the offer of more beer. What to do...

Bush Hornet wrote:

lutondown wrote:

Bush Hornet wrote:
LD, I think I'm coming to the same conclusion about Abdi - pure class. And Cassetti is really showing quality now. Captain? Why not, except that Zola still wants to give John Eustace a good chance when he returns. I'm glad about that cos JE is an intelligent leader who has always played his heart out for us. If he can fit in then he should be captain.

If FF can hit the ground running over this busy period then we will put ourselves firmly in the promotion pack. 

LD have a lovely time in Florida. Will you be dropping in on Mrs T in hospital before you head off? Tell her she's lucky to still be alive with her private health care, and hell will be like the Britain she tried to create so she shouldn't fear death.

Happy Christmas everyone :-)

That's very political buddy. I think the hell that Blair and Brown has created for our children will be far worse. Anyway, I hate the whole Liblabcon conundrum. Too alike I'm afraid!
Back to what's important, the football. Have a great Christmas if you observe it in your Red temple! And whatever our political difference we agree on one thing. Watford!
We'll have that pint soon!

Sorry. Just feeling festive and facetious. It's the Old Speckled Hen and mince pies. I'm not a Blairite either and Brown is just a dour opportunist who was found out like his greedy fat compatriot Malky will be. Christmas is a time for pontificating and drinking and enjoying yesterday's win. And hoping for a better society. God bless you Lutondown. And all the minions and all the thatcherites and Aidy Boothroyd and his wife Betty! Dyche out!

Ooh here comes my mother in law with the offer of more beer. What to do...

Lol. Enjoy! And stop being nice to me, Gianluca the thicker Italian will start calling you a minion!
Final word on most politicians, they are all self serving tools. Fiddling wherever they can and not a sincere bone in their bodies. Tools the lot of em!
Pozzo for PM

Great attendance yesterday, we should get over 15,000 New Year's Day, once we start averaging 15,000 regularly the plans for the new east stand will commence, so lets encourage those who came yesterday back and entice new fans to come ⛄

Holly68 wrote:
Great attendance yesterday, we should get over 15,000 New Year's Day, once we start averaging 15,000 regularly the plans for the new east stand will commence, so lets encourage those who came yesterday back and entice new fans to come ⛄

It was. But why are we so quiet? There's more noise in the pub with 200 people than the 13000 Watford fans in the ground.
That's why we need an unreserved seat area, so the noisy ones can get together and support their team

lutondown wrote:

Bush Hornet wrote:

lutondown wrote:

Bush Hornet wrote:
LD, I think I'm coming to the same conclusion about Abdi - pure class. And Cassetti is really showing quality now. Captain? Why not, except that Zola still wants to give John Eustace a good chance when he returns. I'm glad about that cos JE is an intelligent leader who has always played his heart out for us. If he can fit in then he should be captain.

If FF can hit the ground running over this busy period then we will put ourselves firmly in the promotion pack. 

LD have a lovely time in Florida. Will you be dropping in on Mrs T in hospital before you head off? Tell her she's lucky to still be alive with her private health care, and hell will be like the Britain she tried to create so she shouldn't fear death.

Happy Christmas everyone :-)

That's very political buddy. I think the hell that Blair and Brown has created for our children will be far worse. Anyway, I hate the whole Liblabcon conundrum. Too alike I'm afraid!
Back to what's important, the football. Have a great Christmas if you observe it in your Red temple! And whatever our political difference we agree on one thing. Watford!
We'll have that pint soon!

Sorry. Just feeling festive and facetious. It's the Old Speckled Hen and mince pies. I'm not a Blairite either and Brown is just a dour opportunist who was found out like his greedy fat compatriot Malky will be. Christmas is a time for pontificating and drinking and enjoying yesterday's win. And hoping for a better society. God bless you Lutondown. And all the minions and all the thatcherites and Aidy Boothroyd and his wife Betty! Dyche out!

Ooh here comes my mother in law with the offer of more beer. What to do...

Lol. Enjoy! And stop being nice to me, Gianluca the thicker Italian will start calling you a minion!
Final word on most politicians, they are all self serving tools. Fiddling wherever they can and not a sincere bone in their bodies. Tools the lot of em!
Pozzo for PM

I think GT would make a good PM. I'd vote for him. Pozzo needs to focus on football!

I graciously accept LD's festive good wishes and happily send him more of the same. We may come at this from differing positions, but sure as hell we want the same end-result. The crowd issue (Holly68) remains a concern though. Take out 1500 one-off kids for a quid, 1700 Tricky Trees and a few hundred no-show season tickets and I reckon we were at roughly 11,500 Horns yesterday. I'd suggest that's not 'a great attendance' and shows that Mr Duxbury still has work to do on the PR front. Speaking of which, were others **** off when the 'Response Team' switched off the cricket on the Rookery tellies, with three balls to go? The dash up Occupation Road to the bookies (and the next-door barbers) to see Cap'n Morgan produce the goods was a thing to behold!

bushey tales wrote:
I graciously accept LD's festive good wishes and happily send him more of the same. We may come at this from differing positions, but sure as hell we want the same end-result. The crowd issue (Holly68) remains a concern though. Take out 1500 one-off kids for a quid, 1700 Tricky Trees and a few hundred no-show season tickets and I reckon we were at roughly 11,500 Horns yesterday. I'd suggest that's not 'a great attendance' and shows that Mr Duxbury still has work to do on the PR front. Speaking of which, were others **** off when the 'Response Team' switched off the cricket on the Rookery tellies, with three balls to go? The dash up Occupation Road to the bookies (and the next-door barbers) to see Cap'n Morgan produce the goods was a thing to behold!

I think to be fair Duxbury has been very busy tidying up Bas's mess,and the ticket focus group kicks off January.
More initiatives have been forthcoming since the new ownership than in the last twenty years combined, the family forty being one.
I think we need to have Unallocated seating areas and a pay on the day turnstile, to get the casual fan involved.
I do know through recent dealings the ticket office does not always function as it should and this would discourage anyone whose in half a mind to attend or not.
The people will start coming, if we keep performing like we can. I think we have a role in that to encourage people to the Vic.
Well that's that. Have a great Xmas Wails, because your spot on, we do all want the best for our great club.

Just to wish all a Merry Christmas and a Happy and Prosperous New Year.
Looking forward to a bumpy Hornets ride into the future---but, I'm sure, an exciting rise in fortune and progress. It's going to be fun----.

Some interesting comments re squad. John Eustace would give us real bite in Midfield if he returns. Remember his performance against Tottenham last year? He ran the show. Hogg despite his hard work would be the obvious casualty at the moment. And what about McGinn once he gets some opportunities under his belt. Was really good until he got injured and Zola has said he is a good player. And nobody mentions the Brazilian, Neuton, who graduated to the bench this week. I was interested to see a transfer value site rate our current squad as follows at the beginning of the season.
Battochio. 700K
Almunia. 450K
Neuton. 1.8 mil
Fitz Hall 650K
Nosworthy 450K
Ekstrand 700k
Pudil 1.6 mil
Fanchone 450K
Doyley 450K
Cassetti 275k (age I guess)
Jenkins 225K
Eustace 225k(Age again?)
Hogg 450k
McGinn 225K
Buaben 650K
Abdi 1.3mIl
Murray 1.1mil
Yeates !.1mil
Mujangi bia 1.1mil
Vydra 850K
Forestieri 700k
Beleck 1.3 mil
Deeney-?
Geijo 1.5 mil
Someone clearly rates Neuton and we haven't seen him yet! Clearly Vydra is now worth a lot more. I would also like to see Murray get more time on the pitch. In terms of January I don't see us with a tall striker who can dominate defences in the air and provide feed off balls for the rest as did Ross Jenkins in the 80's. Deeney can hold up the ball, but isn't that good in the air. Big Chris isn't talented enough in this company. Any thoughts Duffman?

Hopemole wrote:
Some interesting comments re squad. John Eustace would give us real bite in Midfield if he returns. Remember his performance against Tottenham last year? He ran the show. Hogg despite his hard work would be the obvious casualty at the moment. And what about McGinn once he gets some opportunities under his belt. Was really good until he got injured and Zola has said he is a good player. And nobody mentions the Brazilian, Neuton, who graduated to the bench this week. I was interested to see a transfer value site rate our current squad as follows at the beginning of the season. Battochio. 700K Almunia. 450K Neuton. 1.8 mil Fitz Hall 650K Nosworthy 450K Ekstrand 700k Pudil 1.6 mil Fanchone 450K Doyley 450K Cassetti 275k (age I guess) Jenkins 225K Eustace 225k(Age again?) Hogg 450k McGinn 225K Buaben 650K Abdi 1.3mIl Murray 1.1mil Yeates !.1mil Mujangi bia 1.1mil Vydra 850K Forestieri 700k Beleck 1.3 mil Deeney-? Geijo 1.5 mil Someone clearly rates Neuton and we haven't seen him yet! Clearly Vydra is now worth a lot more. I would also like to see Murray get more time on the pitch. In terms of January I don't see us with a tall striker who can dominate defences in the air and provide feed off balls for the rest as did Ross Jenkins in the 80's. Deeney can hold up the ball, but isn't that good in the air. Big Chris isn't talented enough in this company. Any thoughts Duffman?

Mmmmm, not sure what sort of website you have been looking at but these valuations are the biggest crock of 5hit I have ever seen. May I suggest you stay away from such inthe future!!!

We dont need a tall striker like a Ross Jenkins as we are not hoofing the ball foward at every opportunity, the height of such as Hall and Hoban give enough of a threat from set pieces.

Finally McGinn certainly showed promise before his injury, however things have moved on and I do not think he will ever feature for us again as he has too much talent ahead of him. He cannot even get a loan move despite Zola bigging him up. I suspect that he will be realeased now at the first opportunity (remember how long he stalled for before signing the 1 year contract int he summer!!).

Hopemole that's interesting stuff, was it compiled by Mr and Mrs Beleck as he is one of the best player values on it? Lol
Hope we sign Abdi up as he must be worth at least £5M at this point already!
I'm not sure McGinn will ever get the chance to play for us again, especially if we go up and especially if the regular loanees sign on a permenant basis!

D.unstable wrote:

Hopemole wrote:
Some interesting comments re squad. John Eustace would give us real bite in Midfield if he returns. Remember his performance against Tottenham last year? He ran the show. Hogg despite his hard work would be the obvious casualty at the moment. And what about McGinn once he gets some opportunities under his belt. Was really good until he got injured and Zola has said he is a good player. And nobody mentions the Brazilian, Neuton, who graduated to the bench this week. I was interested to see a transfer value site rate our current squad as follows at the beginning of the season. Battochio. 700K Almunia. 450K Neuton. 1.8 mil Fitz Hall 650K Nosworthy 450K Ekstrand 700k Pudil 1.6 mil Fanchone 450K Doyley 450K Cassetti 275k (age I guess) Jenkins 225K Eustace 225k(Age again?) Hogg 450k McGinn 225K Buaben 650K Abdi 1.3mIl Murray 1.1mil Yeates !.1mil Mujangi bia 1.1mil Vydra 850K Forestieri 700k Beleck 1.3 mil Deeney-? Geijo 1.5 mil Someone clearly rates Neuton and we haven't seen him yet! Clearly Vydra is now worth a lot more. I would also like to see Murray get more time on the pitch. In terms of January I don't see us with a tall striker who can dominate defences in the air and provide feed off balls for the rest as did Ross Jenkins in the 80's. Deeney can hold up the ball, but isn't that good in the air. Big Chris isn't talented enough in this company. Any thoughts Duffman?

Mmmmm, not sure what sort of website you have been looking at but these valuations are the biggest crock of 5hit I have ever seen. May I suggest you stay away from such inthe future!!!

We dont need a tall striker like a Ross Jenkins as we are not hoofing the ball foward at every opportunity, the height of such as Hall and Hoban give enough of a threat from set pieces.

Finally McGinn certainly showed promise before his injury, however things have moved on and I do not think he will ever feature for us again as he has too much talent ahead of him. He cannot even get a loan move despite Zola bigging him up. I suspect that he will be realeased now at the first opportunity (remember how long he stalled for before signing the 1 year contract int he summer!!).

Interesting point, myself, Chris Bottom and Mangochutney witnessed several fans calling for us to 'get it up there' in otherwise hoof it aimlessly anywhere, this while the players were patiently passing waiting for that opening. This is our default mentality, to go long. We now have to accept this is not our way
Under Zola, thank God.
As for Beleck, he maybe much more than just a target man, if he is just a onel trick oony then Zola would not want him, but we cannot judge him after 30 or so minutes. This is where, when we are ahead to bring on the likes of Bia, Beleck etc so they are not blooded under pressure.
Anyway, friend and foe alike, I wish you all a merry and Healthy Christmas!
Be lucky .
Endean was our King be happy ( ha ha) Scully learn to smile, and Gianluca, that Lager awaits you...!

Just like to say i think you are all wrong about McGinn as he would fit perfectly into our midfield...he just needs game time and if he can wait it out his time will come like the others....John Eustace on other hand i dont think will fit in as he is too slow in thinking and will not keep the ball moving as quick as this team needs it to be done. Neuton is excellent and as well as a defender he can really play football and is rated highly in the football world. Sunderland bid 8 million for abdi last year which was turned bown by udinese so those quotes on prices are rubbish plus 1 million for yeats ??? Have a pint waiting for you in Brighton LD........oh you are away i hear ? lol

Isn't McGinn out of contract at the end of the season? I thought he signed a one year deal?
This being the case if we got promoted this season he won't get a new deal as we will be looking to improve our playing squad again!
And if he doesn't get any game time this season due to competition from other players (Bauban and Eustace still to get a chance!) I can't see us paying wages on someone that will never play - better to bring an academy player into the squad!

Just read a nice article on us in the Mirror football section today and the journalist puts the comments that Martin Samuel made about us to shame!
Nice to see that others are starting to take note and are starting to pay compliment!
Now please Zola and the lads lets beat Bristol City on Saturday and Brighton on Sky on 29th and then let's show Man City a thing or two in the cup to make more stand up and take notice that we ain't little old Watford anymore and that we are a club that now means business!
Come on you Orns!

DuffmanWFC wrote:
Just read a nice article on us in the Mirror football section today and the journalist puts the comments that Martin Samuel made about us to shame!
Nice to see that others are starting to take note and are starting to pay compliment!
Now please Zola and the lads lets beat Bristol City on Saturday and Brighton on Sky on 29th and then let's show Man City a thing or two in the cup to make more stand up and take notice that we ain't little old Watford anymore and that we are a club that now means business!
Come on you Orns!

Is there a link to the story Dufster?

DuffmanWFC wrote:
Just read a nice article on us in the Mirror football section today and the journalist puts the comments that Martin Samuel made about us to shame!
Nice to see that others are starting to take note and are starting to pay compliment!
Now please Zola and the lads lets beat Bristol City on Saturday and Brighton on Sky on 29th and then let's show Man City a thing or two in the cup to make more stand up and take notice that we ain't little old Watford anymore and that we are a club that now means business!
Come on you Orns!

Just downloaded it Duffman! You're right, every Watford Fan should read this antidote to Samuels twaddle.
At last we are losing that rotten long ball tag. I've always hated it.
Two nil to the football team...! Music in motion

Hi LD I can't find a link but its page 15 of the football section in the mirror
www.mirror.co.uk/spo
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Written by Mike Walters

Have a great Xmas mate!

Can't believe not 1 person on here has mentioned Chalobah. First half especially he ran the show, constantly looking for the ball and creating opportunities, and he's 18! What a talent and should do everything in our power to keep him for as long as possible!

Yep Chalobah is a very good player and maybe we could sign him permenantly?
He can't be on that much money at Chelsea and lets be honest but he will never really play for them then a few token cup games as all Abramovich is interested in us multi million pound signings!
Could we tempt Chelsea with a £1.5M bid and offer the lad a 5 year contract on more money?

DuffmanWFC wrote:
Yep Chalobah is a very good player and maybe we could sign him permenantly?
He can't be on that much money at Chelsea and lets be honest but he will never really play for them then a few token cup games as all Abramovich is interested in us multi million pound signings!
Could we tempt Chelsea with a £1.5M bid and offer the lad a 5 year contract on more money?

A year ago that would have been a bad joke, but as it stands, why not. Depends on what Benitez wants I guess, but his youth policy has never been great.

Benitez youth policy is poor and also he won't be there after the end of the season.
Also there next boss will only be interested in splashing the cash so the lads future looks brighter else ware!

Glad to have provoked a bit of discussion which was my aim. That long ball tag in the 80's was not justified once we reached the first division. It was just a defensive response to this little club beating some of the so called giants. We did use the long ball and we certainly mixed it up with a lot of skill on the ground and it was both good and exciting to watch. My main reason for mailing was to see if anyone knew more about Neuton who we have not seen and who is clearly highly rated by someone! Chalobah is clearly a player with great potential, but if we can't hold on to him we need to think about further developing Murray's undoubted potential. He played really well in a relatively ordinary team in the second part of last season and doesn't deserve to be sidelined. Plus it's not good long term thinking.The nit who said Eustace can't think quickly enough certainly didn't watch the game against Tottenham last year when Harry said he completely bossed the park!

lutondown wrote:

D.unstable wrote:

Hopemole wrote:
Some interesting comments re squad. John Eustace would give us real bite in Midfield if he returns. Remember his performance against Tottenham last year? He ran the show. Hogg despite his hard work would be the obvious casualty at the moment. And what about McGinn once he gets some opportunities under his belt. Was really good until he got injured and Zola has said he is a good player. And nobody mentions the Brazilian, Neuton, who graduated to the bench this week. I was interested to see a transfer value site rate our current squad as follows at the beginning of the season. Battochio. 700K Almunia. 450K Neuton. 1.8 mil Fitz Hall 650K Nosworthy 450K Ekstrand 700k Pudil 1.6 mil Fanchone 450K Doyley 450K Cassetti 275k (age I guess) Jenkins 225K Eustace 225k(Age again?) Hogg 450k McGinn 225K Buaben 650K Abdi 1.3mIl Murray 1.1mil Yeates !.1mil Mujangi bia 1.1mil Vydra 850K Forestieri 700k Beleck 1.3 mil Deeney-? Geijo 1.5 mil Someone clearly rates Neuton and we haven't seen him yet! Clearly Vydra is now worth a lot more. I would also like to see Murray get more time on the pitch. In terms of January I don't see us with a tall striker who can dominate defences in the air and provide feed off balls for the rest as did Ross Jenkins in the 80's. Deeney can hold up the ball, but isn't that good in the air. Big Chris isn't talented enough in this company. Any thoughts Duffman?

Mmmmm, not sure what sort of website you have been looking at but these valuations are the biggest crock of 5hit I have ever seen. May I suggest you stay away from such inthe future!!!

We dont need a tall striker like a Ross Jenkins as we are not hoofing the ball foward at every opportunity, the height of such as Hall and Hoban give enough of a threat from set pieces.

Finally McGinn certainly showed promise before his injury, however things have moved on and I do not think he will ever feature for us again as he has too much talent ahead of him. He cannot even get a loan move despite Zola bigging him up. I suspect that he will be realeased now at the first opportunity (remember how long he stalled for before signing the 1 year contract int he summer!!).

Interesting point, myself, Chris Bottom and Mangochutney witnessed several fans calling for us to 'get it up there' in otherwise hoof it aimlessly anywhere, this while the players were patiently passing waiting for that opening. This is our default mentality, to go long. We now have to accept this is not our way
Under Zola, thank God.
As for Beleck, he maybe much more than just a target man, if he is just a onel trick oony then Zola would not want him, but we cannot judge him after 30 or so minutes. This is where, when we are ahead to bring on the likes of Bia, Beleck etc so they are not blooded under pressure.
Anyway, friend and foe alike, I wish you all a merry and Healthy Christmas!
Be lucky .
Endean was our King be happy ( ha ha) Scully learn to smile, and Gianluca, that Lager awaits you...!

'Just hit it and stop poncing about', or
'hit it long for f***s sake' or
'just stick the ball in their half' or
'come on, send it long' or
'someone just hoof it up there' or...

I think I've heard all these kind of impatient calls for a more direct game at various times when we've had managers trying to break the old mould.

Personally I've always found it depressing. But nowadays there's just no excuse for it. We have the players to play from the back and we have the resources to build a new culture of passing football.

Everyone's entitled to their own opinions but if you ask me, Watford fans wanting a longball game would be like me wanting beans on toast on Christmas Day.

Hopemole...please dont go down the line he ran the tottenham game..he played well against a team that didnt move out of 1st gear and were very lucky to get through as we had hapless loach in goal. You wait and see, this team has evolved beyond his ability i think just like murray hasnt coped and troy has stepped up.

Bush Hornet wrote:

lutondown wrote:

D.unstable wrote:

Hopemole wrote:
Some interesting comments re squad. John Eustace would give us real bite in Midfield if he returns. Remember his performance against Tottenham last year? He ran the show. Hogg despite his hard work would be the obvious casualty at the moment. And what about McGinn once he gets some opportunities under his belt. Was really good until he got injured and Zola has said he is a good player. And nobody mentions the Brazilian, Neuton, who graduated to the bench this week. I was interested to see a transfer value site rate our current squad as follows at the beginning of the season. Battochio. 700K Almunia. 450K Neuton. 1.8 mil Fitz Hall 650K Nosworthy 450K Ekstrand 700k Pudil 1.6 mil Fanchone 450K Doyley 450K Cassetti 275k (age I guess) Jenkins 225K Eustace 225k(Age again?) Hogg 450k McGinn 225K Buaben 650K Abdi 1.3mIl Murray 1.1mil Yeates !.1mil Mujangi bia 1.1mil Vydra 850K Forestieri 700k Beleck 1.3 mil Deeney-? Geijo 1.5 mil Someone clearly rates Neuton and we haven't seen him yet! Clearly Vydra is now worth a lot more. I would also like to see Murray get more time on the pitch. In terms of January I don't see us with a tall striker who can dominate defences in the air and provide feed off balls for the rest as did Ross Jenkins in the 80's. Deeney can hold up the ball, but isn't that good in the air. Big Chris isn't talented enough in this company. Any thoughts Duffman?

Mmmmm, not sure what sort of website you have been looking at but these valuations are the biggest crock of 5hit I have ever seen. May I suggest you stay away from such inthe future!!!

We dont need a tall striker like a Ross Jenkins as we are not hoofing the ball foward at every opportunity, the height of such as Hall and Hoban give enough of a threat from set pieces.

Finally McGinn certainly showed promise before his injury, however things have moved on and I do not think he will ever feature for us again as he has too much talent ahead of him. He cannot even get a loan move despite Zola bigging him up. I suspect that he will be realeased now at the first opportunity (remember how long he stalled for before signing the 1 year contract int he summer!!).

Interesting point, myself, Chris Bottom and Mangochutney witnessed several fans calling for us to 'get it up there' in otherwise hoof it aimlessly anywhere, this while the players were patiently passing waiting for that opening. This is our default mentality, to go long. We now have to accept this is not our way
Under Zola, thank God.
As for Beleck, he maybe much more than just a target man, if he is just a onel trick oony then Zola would not want him, but we cannot judge him after 30 or so minutes. This is where, when we are ahead to bring on the likes of Bia, Beleck etc so they are not blooded under pressure.
Anyway, friend and foe alike, I wish you all a merry and Healthy Christmas!
Be lucky .
Endean was our King be happy ( ha ha) Scully learn to smile, and Gianluca, that Lager awaits you...!

'Just hit it and stop poncing about', or
'hit it long for f***s sake' or
'just stick the ball in their half' or
'come on, send it long' or
'someone just hoof it up there' or...

I think I've heard all these kind of impatient calls for a more direct game at various times when we've had managers trying to break the old mould.

Personally I've always found it depressing. But nowadays there's just no excuse for it. We have the players to play from the back and we have the resources to build a new culture of passing football.

Everyone's entitled to their own opinions but if you ask me, Watford fans wanting a longball game would be like me wanting beans on toast on Christmas Day.

A good socialist would ask for beans on toast for Xmas dinner!
Me? Unashamed Turkey!

Hopemole wrote:
Glad to have provoked a bit of discussion which was my aim. That long ball tag in the 80's was not justified once we reached the first division. It was just a defensive response to this little club beating some of the so called giants. We did use the long ball and we certainly mixed it up with a lot of skill on the ground and it was both good and exciting to watch. My main reason for mailing was to see if anyone knew more about Neuton who we have not seen and who is clearly highly rated by someone! Chalobah is clearly a player with great potential, but if we can't hold on to him we need to think about further developing Murray's undoubted potential. He played really well in a relatively ordinary team in the second part of last season and doesn't deserve to be sidelined. Plus it's not good long term thinking.The nit who said Eustace can't think quickly enough certainly didn't watch the game against Tottenham last year when Harry said he completely bossed the park!

Clearly you do not go otherwise you would know Neuton, who until injured was a regular in the starting 11. Maybe for Christmas you should ask Santa for a half season ticket and get along to a few games before provoking a little discussion.

Believe me I have watched every game since the 80's and we do not want to return to the long ball, mixed up or not. This is the best football to have ever been played in a Watford shirt.

Merry Christmas.

D.unstable wrote:

Hopemole wrote:
Glad to have provoked a bit of discussion which was my aim. That long ball tag in the 80's was not justified once we reached the first division. It was just a defensive response to this little club beating some of the so called giants. We did use the long ball and we certainly mixed it up with a lot of skill on the ground and it was both good and exciting to watch. My main reason for mailing was to see if anyone knew more about Neuton who we have not seen and who is clearly highly rated by someone! Chalobah is clearly a player with great potential, but if we can't hold on to him we need to think about further developing Murray's undoubted potential. He played really well in a relatively ordinary team in the second part of last season and doesn't deserve to be sidelined. Plus it's not good long term thinking.The nit who said Eustace can't think quickly enough certainly didn't watch the game against Tottenham last year when Harry said he completely bossed the park!

Clearly you do not go otherwise you would know Neuton, who until injured was a regular in the starting 11. Maybe for Christmas you should ask Santa for a half season ticket and get along to a few games before provoking a little discussion.

Believe me I have watched every game since the 80's and we do not want to return to the long ball, mixed up or not. This is the best football to have ever been played in a Watford shirt.

Merry Christmas.

And I go back to the early seventies. This is potentially the best. I temper that by adding that excellent team that were runners up to Liverpool, rightly remain our best to date, but that's all about to change...good, been too long!

lutondown wrote:

Bush Hornet wrote:

lutondown wrote:

D.unstable wrote:

Hopemole wrote:
Some interesting comments re squad. John Eustace would give us real bite in Midfield if he returns. Remember his performance against Tottenham last year? He ran the show. Hogg despite his hard work would be the obvious casualty at the moment. And what about McGinn once he gets some opportunities under his belt. Was really good until he got injured and Zola has said he is a good player. And nobody mentions the Brazilian, Neuton, who graduated to the bench this week. I was interested to see a transfer value site rate our current squad as follows at the beginning of the season. Battochio. 700K Almunia. 450K Neuton. 1.8 mil Fitz Hall 650K Nosworthy 450K Ekstrand 700k Pudil 1.6 mil Fanchone 450K Doyley 450K Cassetti 275k (age I guess) Jenkins 225K Eustace 225k(Age again?) Hogg 450k McGinn 225K Buaben 650K Abdi 1.3mIl Murray 1.1mil Yeates !.1mil Mujangi bia 1.1mil Vydra 850K Forestieri 700k Beleck 1.3 mil Deeney-? Geijo 1.5 mil Someone clearly rates Neuton and we haven't seen him yet! Clearly Vydra is now worth a lot more. I would also like to see Murray get more time on the pitch. In terms of January I don't see us with a tall striker who can dominate defences in the air and provide feed off balls for the rest as did Ross Jenkins in the 80's. Deeney can hold up the ball, but isn't that good in the air. Big Chris isn't talented enough in this company. Any thoughts Duffman?

Mmmmm, not sure what sort of website you have been looking at but these valuations are the biggest crock of 5hit I have ever seen. May I suggest you stay away from such inthe future!!!

We dont need a tall striker like a Ross Jenkins as we are not hoofing the ball foward at every opportunity, the height of such as Hall and Hoban give enough of a threat from set pieces.

Finally McGinn certainly showed promise before his injury, however things have moved on and I do not think he will ever feature for us again as he has too much talent ahead of him. He cannot even get a loan move despite Zola bigging him up. I suspect that he will be realeased now at the first opportunity (remember how long he stalled for before signing the 1 year contract int he summer!!).

Interesting point, myself, Chris Bottom and Mangochutney witnessed several fans calling for us to 'get it up there' in otherwise hoof it aimlessly anywhere, this while the players were patiently passing waiting for that opening. This is our default mentality, to go long. We now have to accept this is not our way
Under Zola, thank God.
As for Beleck, he maybe much more than just a target man, if he is just a onel trick oony then Zola would not want him, but we cannot judge him after 30 or so minutes. This is where, when we are ahead to bring on the likes of Bia, Beleck etc so they are not blooded under pressure.
Anyway, friend and foe alike, I wish you all a merry and Healthy Christmas!
Be lucky .
Endean was our King be happy ( ha ha) Scully learn to smile, and Gianluca, that Lager awaits you...!

'Just hit it and stop poncing about', or
'hit it long for f***s sake' or
'just stick the ball in their half' or
'come on, send it long' or
'someone just hoof it up there' or...

I think I've heard all these kind of impatient calls for a more direct game at various times when we've had managers trying to break the old mould.

Personally I've always found it depressing. But nowadays there's just no excuse for it. We have the players to play from the back and we have the resources to build a new culture of passing football.

Everyone's entitled to their own opinions but if you ask me, Watford fans wanting a longball game would be like me wanting beans on toast on Christmas Day.

A good socialist would ask for beans on toast for Xmas dinner!
Me? Unashamed Turkey!

Nah I believe in a good roast and all the trimmings for rich and poor alike.

Beans on toast is what gets served when Baz 'owns' a football club. Anyway he's the unashamed turkey LD, not you. (Darn I'm being nice again. Must be the brandy)

lutondown wrote:

D.unstable wrote:

Hopemole wrote:
Glad to have provoked a bit of discussion which was my aim. That long ball tag in the 80's was not justified once we reached the first division. It was just a defensive response to this little club beating some of the so called giants. We did use the long ball and we certainly mixed it up with a lot of skill on the ground and it was both good and exciting to watch. My main reason for mailing was to see if anyone knew more about Neuton who we have not seen and who is clearly highly rated by someone! Chalobah is clearly a player with great potential, but if we can't hold on to him we need to think about further developing Murray's undoubted potential. He played really well in a relatively ordinary team in the second part of last season and doesn't deserve to be sidelined. Plus it's not good long term thinking.The nit who said Eustace can't think quickly enough certainly didn't watch the game against Tottenham last year when Harry said he completely bossed the park!

Clearly you do not go otherwise you would know Neuton, who until injured was a regular in the starting 11. Maybe for Christmas you should ask Santa for a half season ticket and get along to a few games before provoking a little discussion.

Believe me I have watched every game since the 80's and we do not want to return to the long ball, mixed up or not. This is the best football to have ever been played in a Watford shirt.

Merry Christmas.

And I go back to the early seventies. This is potentially the best. I temper that by adding that excellent team that were runners up to Liverpool, rightly remain our best to date, but that's all about to change...good, been too long!

I live in llandudno in North Wales and only get to see the golden boys in the North Of England. Only been to Vicarage Road once this season. You should be so lucky Dunstable! Though I have listened to most of the games on Hornets Player. See you and hopefully hear you at Manchester City and may it be a happy New Year

Hopemole wrote:

lutondown wrote:

D.unstable wrote:

Hopemole wrote:
Glad to have provoked a bit of discussion which was my aim. That long ball tag in the 80's was not justified once we reached the first division. It was just a defensive response to this little club beating some of the so called giants. We did use the long ball and we certainly mixed it up with a lot of skill on the ground and it was both good and exciting to watch. My main reason for mailing was to see if anyone knew more about Neuton who we have not seen and who is clearly highly rated by someone! Chalobah is clearly a player with great potential, but if we can't hold on to him we need to think about further developing Murray's undoubted potential. He played really well in a relatively ordinary team in the second part of last season and doesn't deserve to be sidelined. Plus it's not good long term thinking.The nit who said Eustace can't think quickly enough certainly didn't watch the game against Tottenham last year when Harry said he completely bossed the park!

Clearly you do not go otherwise you would know Neuton, who until injured was a regular in the starting 11. Maybe for Christmas you should ask Santa for a half season ticket and get along to a few games before provoking a little discussion.

Believe me I have watched every game since the 80's and we do not want to return to the long ball, mixed up or not. This is the best football to have ever been played in a Watford shirt.

Merry Christmas.

And I go back to the early seventies. This is potentially the best. I temper that by adding that excellent team that were runners up to Liverpool, rightly remain our best to date, but that's all about to change...good, been too long!

I live in llandudno in North Wales and only get to see the golden boys in the North Of England. Only been to Vicarage Road once this season. You should be so lucky Dunstable! Though I have listened to most of the games on Hornets Player. See you and hopefully hear you at Manchester City and may it be a happy New Year

Ok will let you off as you live in Wales with McPie and Watford reserves, think you will qualify for an even cheaper season ticket living more than 50 miles away, if you are over 65 or under 16 they will pay you to go, can't get fairer than that.

lutondown wrote:

bushey tales wrote:
I graciously accept LD's festive good wishes and happily send him more of the same. We may come at this from differing positions, but sure as hell we want the same end-result. The crowd issue (Holly68) remains a concern though. Take out 1500 one-off kids for a quid, 1700 Tricky Trees and a few hundred no-show season tickets and I reckon we were at roughly 11,500 Horns yesterday. I'd suggest that's not 'a great attendance' and shows that Mr Duxbury still has work to do on the PR front. Speaking of which, were others **** off when the 'Response Team' switched off the cricket on the Rookery tellies, with three balls to go? The dash up Occupation Road to the bookies (and the next-door barbers) to see Cap'n Morgan produce the goods was a thing to behold!

I think to be fair Duxbury has been very busy tidying up Bas's mess,and the ticket focus group kicks off January.
More initiatives have been forthcoming since the new ownership than in the last twenty years combined, the family forty being one.
I think we need to have Unallocated seating areas and a pay on the day turnstile, to get the casual fan involved.
I do know through recent dealings the ticket office does not always function as it should and this would discourage anyone whose in half a mind to attend or not.
The people will start coming, if we keep performing like we can. I think we have a role in that to encourage people to the Vic.
Well that's that. Have a great Xmas Wails, because your spot on, we do all want the best for our great club.

GET ME A JOB IN THE TICKET OFFICE!

@ChrisBottom16 wrote:

lutondown wrote:

bushey tales wrote:
I graciously accept LD's festive good wishes and happily send him more of the same. We may come at this from differing positions, but sure as hell we want the same end-result. The crowd issue (Holly68) remains a concern though. Take out 1500 one-off kids for a quid, 1700 Tricky Trees and a few hundred no-show season tickets and I reckon we were at roughly 11,500 Horns yesterday. I'd suggest that's not 'a great attendance' and shows that Mr Duxbury still has work to do on the PR front. Speaking of which, were others **** off when the 'Response Team' switched off the cricket on the Rookery tellies, with three balls to go? The dash up Occupation Road to the bookies (and the next-door barbers) to see Cap'n Morgan produce the goods was a thing to behold!

I think to be fair Duxbury has been very busy tidying up Bas's mess,and the ticket focus group kicks off January.
More initiatives have been forthcoming since the new ownership than in the last twenty years combined, the family forty being one.
I think we need to have Unallocated seating areas and a pay on the day turnstile, to get the casual fan involved.
I do know through recent dealings the ticket office does not always function as it should and this would discourage anyone whose in half a mind to attend or not.
The people will start coming, if we keep performing like we can. I think we have a role in that to encourage people to the Vic.
Well that's that. Have a great Xmas Wails, because your spot on, we do all want the best for our great club.

GET ME A JOB IN THE TICKET OFFICE!

50k a year ok for u buddy? ;-)