Matej Vydra's agent expects permanent move to Watford despite Premier League interest

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Matej Vydra's agent believes it is "very likely" the striker will become a Watford player this month despite interest from five Premier League clubs.

Vydra is on loan from Italian club Udinese whose owners, the Pozzo family, also bought Watford in the summer.

The Czech Republic international has excelled on loan at the Hornets and his 16 goals in 23 league games has attracted the interest of a host of clubs, including one top six Premier League side according to the player's agent. Tottenham Hotspur are believed to be the top six club interested.

The Pozzos are keen for Vydra to follow Fernando Forestieri in signing with Watford permanently, despite the interest, and Ondrej Chovanec expects that to happen.

Chovanec told Sky Sports: "At the moment, five Premier League clubs are interested in Matej.

"[But] we want Matej to stay with Watford at least until the summer. We are not planning any rush move for him.

"He has been at the club for six months, everything has worked fine, he has been coached by a great manager and the people love him. We have no reason to change anything."

The above comments suggest a move away could happen once Vydra's season-long loan ends but Chovanec then added: "Thanks to the connection [between Watford and Udinese], it is one wallet, basically.

"I have been in talks over this matter with the Watford owner and director. Originally, I did not want to push the matter, but now when I see how people in this club would like to make that [a permanent deal] happen, it is very likely that Matej will become a Watford player in January."

The Pozzo family make no secret of the fact they look to buy players young and sell them on for profit, which will almost certainly happen with Vydra eventually.

But Vydra's agent believes the Pozzos will want to hold on the striker for now and sell him for an increased figure in the future.

Chovanec said: "Udinese or Watford will not sell him for £5m. If you look back at the previous transfers of the clubs owned by the same owners, you will see that they only do big ones. They sold [Alexis] Sanchez to Barcelona [for £23m], for instance."

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2:59pm Wed 23 Jan 13

grahamtaylorismydad says...

Please, please, please let this happen, it will send out a massive message that Watford mean business!
Please, please, please let this happen, it will send out a massive message that Watford mean business! grahamtaylorismydad
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2:59pm Wed 23 Jan 13

WD18Chris says...

Everyone please note the agent's comment about one wallet. It is not important who officially owns these players, be it Udinese or Watford (or Granada).

I cannot understand this massive desire for us to sign these players permanently.

Ultimately the Pozzo's will decide to sell, if and when, they get the right price whether a player is owned by Watford or Udinese.
Everyone please note the agent's comment about one wallet. It is not important who officially owns these players, be it Udinese or Watford (or Granada). I cannot understand this massive desire for us to sign these players permanently. Ultimately the Pozzo's will decide to sell, if and when, they get the right price whether a player is owned by Watford or Udinese. WD18Chris
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2:59pm Wed 23 Jan 13

jsjf1979 says...

Pleeeeeaaase make this happen Watford!

Surely his future (and thus value) is better served staying here and developing his game, and hopefully getting a shot at the Premier league. If he performs just as well at the next level he will be worth well in excess of £15m...so would not be a wise move to offload now to a West Ham (Vydra would get a touch anyway as they play hoofball) or Southampton.

Then get Abdi and Deeney tied up also! Fingers crossed....
Pleeeeeaaase make this happen Watford! Surely his future (and thus value) is better served staying here and developing his game, and hopefully getting a shot at the Premier league. If he performs just as well at the next level he will be worth well in excess of £15m...so would not be a wise move to offload now to a West Ham (Vydra would get a touch anyway as they play hoofball) or Southampton. Then get Abdi and Deeney tied up also! Fingers crossed.... jsjf1979
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3:00pm Wed 23 Jan 13

mattymashup says...

I really hope we get him signed up. It will really galvanize the supporters and the pozzo relationship.

It would also mark the start of the greatest period in the clubs history since the Taylor era.
I really hope we get him signed up. It will really galvanize the supporters and the pozzo relationship. It would also mark the start of the greatest period in the clubs history since the Taylor era. mattymashup
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3:04pm Wed 23 Jan 13

londomollari says...

'Not sell for 5m.' Yup, pretty much what we have been saying here for the last few days. I don't see any move for Vydra---apart from the possibility of going back to Udinese. And the Pozzo's don't want that---they want the Premiership, and the players capable of achieving that to stay here.
As a guess, they will push for a five year contract for Vydra, with the intention of a major sell on deal in two, three years.
'Not sell for 5m.' Yup, pretty much what we have been saying here for the last few days. I don't see any move for Vydra---apart from the possibility of going back to Udinese. And the Pozzo's don't want that---they want the Premiership, and the players capable of achieving that to stay here. As a guess, they will push for a five year contract for Vydra, with the intention of a major sell on deal in two, three years. londomollari
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3:13pm Wed 23 Jan 13

akureyri says...

Ondrej Chovanec, you are the agent. Matej Vydra's is young and impressionable, tell him to make his stay permanent.
Ondrej Chovanec, you are the agent. Matej Vydra's is young and impressionable, tell him to make his stay permanent. akureyri
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3:17pm Wed 23 Jan 13

YoKsHiRe.....HoRn!!!!!!! says...

The guys got so much quality. Give it a couple more years and I think he would fit into any big European team and score goals. He's going nowhere atm! My money's on a big move at the end of next season £15 mill +
Does anyone know how long his contact with Udinese is?
The guys got so much quality. Give it a couple more years and I think he would fit into any big European team and score goals. He's going nowhere atm! My money's on a big move at the end of next season £15 mill + Does anyone know how long his contact with Udinese is? YoKsHiRe.....HoRn!!!!!!!
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3:21pm Wed 23 Jan 13

llloydwithathirdl says...

The top six side is surely Spurs or Everton. He'd be a great signing for either of them, but lets get a decent price for our Pozzos please. Nowt less than £20m.

He's one of the best strikers I have ever seen at the club - almost as good as Forestieri! And to think earlier in the season we had Big Chris and Garner up top.

Hope he stays as long as possible - would be so great to see him have a season for Watford in the Prem. That surely has to be worth more than any deal to sell now.
The top six side is surely Spurs or Everton. He'd be a great signing for either of them, but lets get a decent price for our Pozzos please. Nowt less than £20m. He's one of the best strikers I have ever seen at the club - almost as good as Forestieri! And to think earlier in the season we had Big Chris and Garner up top. Hope he stays as long as possible - would be so great to see him have a season for Watford in the Prem. That surely has to be worth more than any deal to sell now. llloydwithathirdl
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3:30pm Wed 23 Jan 13

Bringe says...

Better than Zaha in every department, why would the Pozzo's consider anything less than £10m?

If he signs it is little more than tokenism, quite simply we want him on the pitch and that is all we should be worried about. Which is why I disagree he should sign for us yet because it will probably affect his value if we don't go up. To my mind it can wait till the summer as he's still under a Pozzo contract and not going anywhere soon.
Better than Zaha in every department, why would the Pozzo's consider anything less than £10m? If he signs it is little more than tokenism, quite simply we want him on the pitch and that is all we should be worried about. Which is why I disagree he should sign for us yet because it will probably affect his value if we don't go up. To my mind it can wait till the summer as he's still under a Pozzo contract and not going anywhere soon. Bringe
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3:59pm Wed 23 Jan 13

reids1 says...

WD18Chris wrote:
Everyone please note the agent's comment about one wallet. It is not important who officially owns these players, be it Udinese or Watford (or Granada).

I cannot understand this massive desire for us to sign these players permanently.

Ultimately the Pozzo's will decide to sell, if and when, they get the right price whether a player is owned by Watford or Udinese.
Because it means he'll be a Watford player next season, rather than Udinese thinking he can make the step up to their first team and thus not loaning him out again.
[quote][p][bold]WD18Chris[/bold] wrote: Everyone please note the agent's comment about one wallet. It is not important who officially owns these players, be it Udinese or Watford (or Granada). I cannot understand this massive desire for us to sign these players permanently. Ultimately the Pozzo's will decide to sell, if and when, they get the right price whether a player is owned by Watford or Udinese.[/p][/quote]Because it means he'll be a Watford player next season, rather than Udinese thinking he can make the step up to their first team and thus not loaning him out again. reids1
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4:06pm Wed 23 Jan 13

watford1881 says...

I really want vydra to sign for us, but if he moves on it won't be the first time. . It's all in the hands of himself & his agent.. We all want players who want to play for us... If he wants away let him.. There are plenty more fish in Pozzo sea.To think if he leaves, our season is not all over.. We want players with Watford in their hearts.. Crossed fingers he signs, but if not we fight another day.... COYH......
I really want vydra to sign for us, but if he moves on it won't be the first time. . It's all in the hands of himself & his agent.. We all want players who want to play for us... If he wants away let him.. There are plenty more fish in Pozzo sea.To think if he leaves, our season is not all over.. We want players with Watford in their hearts.. Crossed fingers he signs, but if not we fight another day.... COYH...... watford1881
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4:07pm Wed 23 Jan 13

Play-Off Pete says...

We haven't won ANYTHING yet and they're already trying to break us up.
Zola to Chelsea ... Vydra to one of five Premership clubs.
Why is everything in football so temporary now???
We haven't won ANYTHING yet and they're already trying to break us up. Zola to Chelsea ... Vydra to one of five Premership clubs. Why is everything in football so temporary now??? Play-Off Pete
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4:11pm Wed 23 Jan 13

GianlucaVialli the better italian says...

He signs when he wants, he signs when he wants, matej vydra, he signs when he wants.
He signs when he wants, he signs when he wants, matej vydra, he signs when he wants. GianlucaVialli the better italian
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4:16pm Wed 23 Jan 13

WatfordTalk says...

Thing difference between losing a player like Matej now and losing a key player in recent years is, there is likely to be a replacement lined up that is almost as good, if not better!
Thing difference between losing a player like Matej now and losing a key player in recent years is, there is likely to be a replacement lined up that is almost as good, if not better! WatfordTalk
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4:29pm Wed 23 Jan 13

WD18Chris says...

reids1 wrote:
WD18Chris wrote: Everyone please note the agent's comment about one wallet. It is not important who officially owns these players, be it Udinese or Watford (or Granada). I cannot understand this massive desire for us to sign these players permanently. Ultimately the Pozzo's will decide to sell, if and when, they get the right price whether a player is owned by Watford or Udinese.
Because it means he'll be a Watford player next season, rather than Udinese thinking he can make the step up to their first team and thus not loaning him out again.
Not sure that is true. We could sign Vydra permanently and then say a year down the line the Pozzo's could still decide he would be better off at Udinese, for whatever reason they have that influence to make a transfer happen.

The Pozzo's will move players around their clubs to suit what they deem to be necessary.

If Vydra is continuing to develop at his current rate and he wants to stay then he will, regardless of who officially owns his registration.

It is the same people financing both clubs. They want the best for all 3 clubs. We do not need to sign him.

The most important thing is he keeps playing for Watford for the forseeable future (that we agree on) but I don't think signing him actually gaurantees that in the overall scheme of things.
[quote][p][bold]reids1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WD18Chris[/bold] wrote: Everyone please note the agent's comment about one wallet. It is not important who officially owns these players, be it Udinese or Watford (or Granada). I cannot understand this massive desire for us to sign these players permanently. Ultimately the Pozzo's will decide to sell, if and when, they get the right price whether a player is owned by Watford or Udinese.[/p][/quote]Because it means he'll be a Watford player next season, rather than Udinese thinking he can make the step up to their first team and thus not loaning him out again.[/p][/quote]Not sure that is true. We could sign Vydra permanently and then say a year down the line the Pozzo's could still decide he would be better off at Udinese, for whatever reason they have that influence to make a transfer happen. The Pozzo's will move players around their clubs to suit what they deem to be necessary. If Vydra is continuing to develop at his current rate and he wants to stay then he will, regardless of who officially owns his registration. It is the same people financing both clubs. They want the best for all 3 clubs. We do not need to sign him. The most important thing is he keeps playing for Watford for the forseeable future (that we agree on) but I don't think signing him actually gaurantees that in the overall scheme of things. WD18Chris
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4:31pm Wed 23 Jan 13

WD18Chris says...

reids1 wrote:
WD18Chris wrote: Everyone please note the agent's comment about one wallet. It is not important who officially owns these players, be it Udinese or Watford (or Granada). I cannot understand this massive desire for us to sign these players permanently. Ultimately the Pozzo's will decide to sell, if and when, they get the right price whether a player is owned by Watford or Udinese.
Because it means he'll be a Watford player next season, rather than Udinese thinking he can make the step up to their first team and thus not loaning him out again.
Not sure that is true. We could sign Vydra permanently and then say a year down the line the Pozzo's could still decide he would be better off at Udinese, for whatever reason they have that influence to make a transfer happen.

The Pozzo's will move players around their clubs to suit what they deem to be necessary.

If Vydra is continuing to develop at his current rate and he wants to stay then he will, regardless of who officially owns his registration.

It is the same people financing both clubs. They want the best for all 3 clubs. We do not need to sign him.

The most important thing is he keeps playing for Watford for the forseeable future (that we agree on) but I don't think signing him actually gaurantees that in the overall scheme of things.
[quote][p][bold]reids1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WD18Chris[/bold] wrote: Everyone please note the agent's comment about one wallet. It is not important who officially owns these players, be it Udinese or Watford (or Granada). I cannot understand this massive desire for us to sign these players permanently. Ultimately the Pozzo's will decide to sell, if and when, they get the right price whether a player is owned by Watford or Udinese.[/p][/quote]Because it means he'll be a Watford player next season, rather than Udinese thinking he can make the step up to their first team and thus not loaning him out again.[/p][/quote]Not sure that is true. We could sign Vydra permanently and then say a year down the line the Pozzo's could still decide he would be better off at Udinese, for whatever reason they have that influence to make a transfer happen. The Pozzo's will move players around their clubs to suit what they deem to be necessary. If Vydra is continuing to develop at his current rate and he wants to stay then he will, regardless of who officially owns his registration. It is the same people financing both clubs. They want the best for all 3 clubs. We do not need to sign him. The most important thing is he keeps playing for Watford for the forseeable future (that we agree on) but I don't think signing him actually gaurantees that in the overall scheme of things. WD18Chris
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4:55pm Wed 23 Jan 13

DouglasRinaldi the better Brazilian says...

This signing would certainly send out a message to other clubs that we are no longer 'little old Watford' who sell players below value to stay afloat, we now have competent owners who know how to run a football club and know when the right time to sell is. I'm certain we'll see Matej in a Watford shirt for a few seasons more. Would like to see Vydra, Abdi, Pudil, Battochio, Geijo and Ekstrand signed by the end of the season, as well as new deals for Deeney, Hall and Almunia.
This signing would certainly send out a message to other clubs that we are no longer 'little old Watford' who sell players below value to stay afloat, we now have competent owners who know how to run a football club and know when the right time to sell is. I'm certain we'll see Matej in a Watford shirt for a few seasons more. Would like to see Vydra, Abdi, Pudil, Battochio, Geijo and Ekstrand signed by the end of the season, as well as new deals for Deeney, Hall and Almunia. DouglasRinaldi the better Brazilian
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5:02pm Wed 23 Jan 13

stevyweavy says...

For tax efficiency and UK Fair Play Rules it is probably in the Pozzos best interests to have Vydra signed up with Watford.
For tax efficiency and UK Fair Play Rules it is probably in the Pozzos best interests to have Vydra signed up with Watford. stevyweavy
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5:02pm Wed 23 Jan 13

a1derek says...

The important question is how much longer has MV's contract with Udinese got to run?
The important question is how much longer has MV's contract with Udinese got to run? a1derek
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5:03pm Wed 23 Jan 13

ralear49 says...

mattymashup wrote:
I really hope we get him signed up. It will really galvanize the supporters and the pozzo relationship. It would also mark the start of the greatest period in the clubs history since the Taylor era.
I am writing from USA so can't put money where my mouth is, but can they be galvanized to a bigger turnout than 12,500? Surely the town can get behind this team more than that.
[quote][p][bold]mattymashup[/bold] wrote: I really hope we get him signed up. It will really galvanize the supporters and the pozzo relationship. It would also mark the start of the greatest period in the clubs history since the Taylor era.[/p][/quote]I am writing from USA so can't put money where my mouth is, but can they be galvanized to a bigger turnout than 12,500? Surely the town can get behind this team more than that. ralear49
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5:05pm Wed 23 Jan 13

onion8837 says...

llloydwithathirdl wrote:
The top six side is surely Spurs or Everton. He'd be a great signing for either of them, but lets get a decent price for our Pozzos please. Nowt less than £20m.

He's one of the best strikers I have ever seen at the club - almost as good as Forestieri! And to think earlier in the season we had Big Chris and Garner up top.

Hope he stays as long as possible - would be so great to see him have a season for Watford in the Prem. That surely has to be worth more than any deal to sell now.
If it is £20m it won't be Everton !
[quote][p][bold]llloydwithathirdl[/bold] wrote: The top six side is surely Spurs or Everton. He'd be a great signing for either of them, but lets get a decent price for our Pozzos please. Nowt less than £20m. He's one of the best strikers I have ever seen at the club - almost as good as Forestieri! And to think earlier in the season we had Big Chris and Garner up top. Hope he stays as long as possible - would be so great to see him have a season for Watford in the Prem. That surely has to be worth more than any deal to sell now.[/p][/quote]If it is £20m it won't be Everton ! onion8837
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5:06pm Wed 23 Jan 13

GianlucaVialli the better italian says...

DouglasRinaldi the better Brazilian wrote:
This signing would certainly send out a message to other clubs that we are no longer 'little old Watford' who sell players below value to stay afloat, we now have competent owners who know how to run a football club and know when the right time to sell is. I'm certain we'll see Matej in a Watford shirt for a few seasons more. Would like to see Vydra, Abdi, Pudil, Battochio, Geijo and Ekstrand signed by the end of the season, as well as new deals for Deeney, Hall and Almunia.
5 year contract for rising young star Chris iwelumo?
[quote][p][bold]DouglasRinaldi the better Brazilian[/bold] wrote: This signing would certainly send out a message to other clubs that we are no longer 'little old Watford' who sell players below value to stay afloat, we now have competent owners who know how to run a football club and know when the right time to sell is. I'm certain we'll see Matej in a Watford shirt for a few seasons more. Would like to see Vydra, Abdi, Pudil, Battochio, Geijo and Ekstrand signed by the end of the season, as well as new deals for Deeney, Hall and Almunia.[/p][/quote]5 year contract for rising young star Chris iwelumo? GianlucaVialli the better italian
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5:40pm Wed 23 Jan 13

londomollari says...

stevyweavy wrote:
For tax efficiency and UK Fair Play Rules it is probably in the Pozzos best interests to have Vydra signed up with Watford.
Yes, basically, that why we need him to sign. The Pozzo's have identified a loophole in the rules for internastional loans. Does anyone want to bet against the FA closing the loophole at some point? Sign 'em while we can----.
[quote][p][bold]stevyweavy[/bold] wrote: For tax efficiency and UK Fair Play Rules it is probably in the Pozzos best interests to have Vydra signed up with Watford.[/p][/quote]Yes, basically, that why we need him to sign. The Pozzo's have identified a loophole in the rules for internastional loans. Does anyone want to bet against the FA closing the loophole at some point? Sign 'em while we can----. londomollari
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5:42pm Wed 23 Jan 13

Colin West's mullet says...

one of the biggest treats in football is watching a 'surprise package' player develop and grow in importance not over a season but visibly week by week.

Whether Matty Vyds signs a full contract with us, goes back to Udinese in the summer (if they've got 4 better strikers, they should win Serie A) or whatever - we should all be very grateful to be watching the blossoming of a young player who has evrey chance of having his name known all over Europe within a few years.
one of the biggest treats in football is watching a 'surprise package' player develop and grow in importance not over a season but visibly week by week. Whether Matty Vyds signs a full contract with us, goes back to Udinese in the summer (if they've got 4 better strikers, they should win Serie A) or whatever - we should all be very grateful to be watching the blossoming of a young player who has evrey chance of having his name known all over Europe within a few years. Colin West's mullet
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5:42pm Wed 23 Jan 13

DouglasRinaldi the better Brazilian says...

GianlucaVialli the better italian wrote:
DouglasRinaldi the better Brazilian wrote:
This signing would certainly send out a message to other clubs that we are no longer 'little old Watford' who sell players below value to stay afloat, we now have competent owners who know how to run a football club and know when the right time to sell is. I'm certain we'll see Matej in a Watford shirt for a few seasons more. Would like to see Vydra, Abdi, Pudil, Battochio, Geijo and Ekstrand signed by the end of the season, as well as new deals for Deeney, Hall and Almunia.
5 year contract for rising young star Chris iwelumo?
Certainly a good option, his pace and movement makes him ideal for this side.
[quote][p][bold]GianlucaVialli the better italian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DouglasRinaldi the better Brazilian[/bold] wrote: This signing would certainly send out a message to other clubs that we are no longer 'little old Watford' who sell players below value to stay afloat, we now have competent owners who know how to run a football club and know when the right time to sell is. I'm certain we'll see Matej in a Watford shirt for a few seasons more. Would like to see Vydra, Abdi, Pudil, Battochio, Geijo and Ekstrand signed by the end of the season, as well as new deals for Deeney, Hall and Almunia.[/p][/quote]5 year contract for rising young star Chris iwelumo?[/p][/quote]Certainly a good option, his pace and movement makes him ideal for this side. DouglasRinaldi the better Brazilian
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5:52pm Wed 23 Jan 13

holtonian says...

WD18Chris wrote:
Everyone please note the agent's comment about one wallet. It is not important who officially owns these players, be it Udinese or Watford (or Granada).

I cannot understand this massive desire for us to sign these players permanently.

Ultimately the Pozzo's will decide to sell, if and when, they get the right price whether a player is owned by Watford or Udinese.
If Matej signed a new long contract as Fernando has just done it secures his future and makes him a far higher price if and when sold. We are very fortunate to have great owners who know how to get the best deals. Not like previous owners who sold any player for fast gain.Happy days.
[quote][p][bold]WD18Chris[/bold] wrote: Everyone please note the agent's comment about one wallet. It is not important who officially owns these players, be it Udinese or Watford (or Granada). I cannot understand this massive desire for us to sign these players permanently. Ultimately the Pozzo's will decide to sell, if and when, they get the right price whether a player is owned by Watford or Udinese.[/p][/quote]If Matej signed a new long contract as Fernando has just done it secures his future and makes him a far higher price if and when sold. We are very fortunate to have great owners who know how to get the best deals. Not like previous owners who sold any player for fast gain.Happy days. holtonian
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5:55pm Wed 23 Jan 13

lockerbiehornet says...

6th in the League, exciting football and 5 Premiership clubs interested in one of players, one of the them top 6 and remember we're all that's wrong with modern day football, aren't Mr Samuels??
6th in the League, exciting football and 5 Premiership clubs interested in one of players, one of the them top 6 and remember we're all that's wrong with modern day football, aren't Mr Samuels?? lockerbiehornet
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6:11pm Wed 23 Jan 13

D.unstable says...

Me thinks Mr (i did not see anything)Wenger has been looking over that fence in London Colney.

Go and do one or pay the price.

Martej is still under contract with Udinese (one wallet) anyhow, so he will go when the time and money is right, but not before.

I think he will remain at Watford certainly for the season and then dependent upon promotion it will be reassessed. If we go up it will be a natural progression for him and will be happy to stay longer.
Me thinks Mr (i did not see anything)Wenger has been looking over that fence in London Colney. Go and do one or pay the price. Martej is still under contract with Udinese (one wallet) anyhow, so he will go when the time and money is right, but not before. I think he will remain at Watford certainly for the season and then dependent upon promotion it will be reassessed. If we go up it will be a natural progression for him and will be happy to stay longer. D.unstable
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6:19pm Wed 23 Jan 13

DuffmanWFC says...

I hope we can get him and at least Abdi signed up before the deadline as they are so vital!
I know these two give everything in every game but it would be nice to say they are ours! Just stops all the moaners and opposition sides having a dig at our amount of loaned players!
One wallet and all that won't change what may happen in 2/3 years if a big offer comes in but it does sound good and look good on paper if they were permanent transfers!
I hope we can get him and at least Abdi signed up before the deadline as they are so vital! I know these two give everything in every game but it would be nice to say they are ours! Just stops all the moaners and opposition sides having a dig at our amount of loaned players! One wallet and all that won't change what may happen in 2/3 years if a big offer comes in but it does sound good and look good on paper if they were permanent transfers! DuffmanWFC
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6:44pm Wed 23 Jan 13

JohnnyBarnes says...

Does anyone know how long his Udinese contract is?
Does anyone know how long his Udinese contract is? JohnnyBarnes
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7:18pm Wed 23 Jan 13

ChunkeyMonkey says...

Interesting debate to be had at the centre of this discussion, who holds the power? The player, the club, or the owners?

The quoted party for this story is the players agent, he has position to protect and a player to trumpet about.

To me, a big part of the reason that MV is doing so well is that GFZ has the resources and the skills to have put together a really good team in very quick time that plays to MV's strengths, in particular the layoffs from Deeney catching the defence square enabling MV to be one on one with the keeper. MV may well have been fourth or fifth striker at Udinese but here he is number one and banging them in. Credit where it is due.

The owners control of the three clubs, and particularly how that operates seems to be pivotal. Whereas a year ago at WFC it was hand-to-mouth operations and sell a player to survive, now we can hand out 5.5 year contracts and take the players to Spain for some warm weather training. That all has to be funded from within a structure that I for one know little about. I am not concerned about not knowing, just recognising that that is how it appears to work.

At the moment we use the loophole of international transfers effectively. If The governing body close the loophole then perhaps it will be more important that the registrations are transferred to the club the player plays for. Onward sale in the future may also have cross border tax implications (boring I know but relevant to the overall business). In the meantime the agent knows, the player knows, the manager knows and the owners know and yes we all know that it is in all of our interests that MV is a Watford player.

Enjoy the ride. We appear to have professionals looking after our interests.
Interesting debate to be had at the centre of this discussion, who holds the power? The player, the club, or the owners? The quoted party for this story is the players agent, he has position to protect and a player to trumpet about. To me, a big part of the reason that MV is doing so well is that GFZ has the resources and the skills to have put together a really good team in very quick time that plays to MV's strengths, in particular the layoffs from Deeney catching the defence square enabling MV to be one on one with the keeper. MV may well have been fourth or fifth striker at Udinese but here he is number one and banging them in. Credit where it is due. The owners control of the three clubs, and particularly how that operates seems to be pivotal. Whereas a year ago at WFC it was hand-to-mouth operations and sell a player to survive, now we can hand out 5.5 year contracts and take the players to Spain for some warm weather training. That all has to be funded from within a structure that I for one know little about. I am not concerned about not knowing, just recognising that that is how it appears to work. At the moment we use the loophole of international transfers effectively. If The governing body close the loophole then perhaps it will be more important that the registrations are transferred to the club the player plays for. Onward sale in the future may also have cross border tax implications (boring I know but relevant to the overall business). In the meantime the agent knows, the player knows, the manager knows and the owners know and yes we all know that it is in all of our interests that MV is a Watford player. Enjoy the ride. We appear to have professionals looking after our interests. ChunkeyMonkey
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7:25pm Wed 23 Jan 13

goldanboy says...

He's contracted to Udinese until June 2014.
He's contracted to Udinese until June 2014. goldanboy
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7:41pm Wed 23 Jan 13

Harrydownunder says...

Here lies all that is wrong with the modern game! Players agents. "we are not planning a major move for him"!
It's no longer down to players loyalty or their desire to stay its down to agents greed! Look at demba ba, Newcastle saved his career but his agent orchestrated a move to get huge commissions! I hope matej signs up for us, he is just total quality.
Here lies all that is wrong with the modern game! Players agents. "we are not planning a major move for him"! It's no longer down to players loyalty or their desire to stay its down to agents greed! Look at demba ba, Newcastle saved his career but his agent orchestrated a move to get huge commissions! I hope matej signs up for us, he is just total quality. Harrydownunder
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7:53pm Wed 23 Jan 13

Colin West's mullet says...

Harrydownunder wrote:
Here lies all that is wrong with the modern game! Players agents. "we are not planning a major move for him"!
It's no longer down to players loyalty or their desire to stay its down to agents greed! Look at demba ba, Newcastle saved his career but his agent orchestrated a move to get huge commissions! I hope matej signs up for us, he is just total quality.
let's not pretend players are innocent victims of dastardly agents. Agents are there to do the dirty work so players can shrug their shoulders and say 'its not me, its my agent.'

Its very, very rare that a player's agent does a deal the player didn't ask him too.
[quote][p][bold]Harrydownunder[/bold] wrote: Here lies all that is wrong with the modern game! Players agents. "we are not planning a major move for him"! It's no longer down to players loyalty or their desire to stay its down to agents greed! Look at demba ba, Newcastle saved his career but his agent orchestrated a move to get huge commissions! I hope matej signs up for us, he is just total quality.[/p][/quote]let's not pretend players are innocent victims of dastardly agents. Agents are there to do the dirty work so players can shrug their shoulders and say 'its not me, its my agent.' Its very, very rare that a player's agent does a deal the player didn't ask him too. Colin West's mullet
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8:25pm Wed 23 Jan 13

GianlucaVialli the better italian says...

DouglasRinaldi the better Brazilian wrote:
GianlucaVialli the better italian wrote:
DouglasRinaldi the better Brazilian wrote:
This signing would certainly send out a message to other clubs that we are no longer 'little old Watford' who sell players below value to stay afloat, we now have competent owners who know how to run a football club and know when the right time to sell is. I'm certain we'll see Matej in a Watford shirt for a few seasons more. Would like to see Vydra, Abdi, Pudil, Battochio, Geijo and Ekstrand signed by the end of the season, as well as new deals for Deeney, Hall and Almunia.
5 year contract for rising young star Chris iwelumo?
Certainly a good option, his pace and movement makes him ideal for this side.
And what a prolific goal scorer he was last season. Tbh I've never seen him miss a chance in the penalty box, he is clinical in front of an open goal.
[quote][p][bold]DouglasRinaldi the better Brazilian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GianlucaVialli the better italian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DouglasRinaldi the better Brazilian[/bold] wrote: This signing would certainly send out a message to other clubs that we are no longer 'little old Watford' who sell players below value to stay afloat, we now have competent owners who know how to run a football club and know when the right time to sell is. I'm certain we'll see Matej in a Watford shirt for a few seasons more. Would like to see Vydra, Abdi, Pudil, Battochio, Geijo and Ekstrand signed by the end of the season, as well as new deals for Deeney, Hall and Almunia.[/p][/quote]5 year contract for rising young star Chris iwelumo?[/p][/quote]Certainly a good option, his pace and movement makes him ideal for this side.[/p][/quote]And what a prolific goal scorer he was last season. Tbh I've never seen him miss a chance in the penalty box, he is clinical in front of an open goal. GianlucaVialli the better italian
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8:42pm Wed 23 Jan 13

chrisptrifle says...

GianlucaVialli the better italian wrote:
DouglasRinaldi the better Brazilian wrote:
GianlucaVialli the better italian wrote:
DouglasRinaldi the better Brazilian wrote:
This signing would certainly send out a message to other clubs that we are no longer 'little old Watford' who sell players below value to stay afloat, we now have competent owners who know how to run a football club and know when the right time to sell is. I'm certain we'll see Matej in a Watford shirt for a few seasons more. Would like to see Vydra, Abdi, Pudil, Battochio, Geijo and Ekstrand signed by the end of the season, as well as new deals for Deeney, Hall and Almunia.
5 year contract for rising young star Chris iwelumo?
Certainly a good option, his pace and movement makes him ideal for this side.
And what a prolific goal scorer he was last season. Tbh I've never seen him miss a chance in the penalty box, he is clinical in front of an open goal.
You're absolutely right. Its his ability to finish time and time again that has generated such interest amongst the big cubs and added millions to his price tag:

http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=RqkShPKgA
bw
[quote][p][bold]GianlucaVialli the better italian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DouglasRinaldi the better Brazilian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GianlucaVialli the better italian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DouglasRinaldi the better Brazilian[/bold] wrote: This signing would certainly send out a message to other clubs that we are no longer 'little old Watford' who sell players below value to stay afloat, we now have competent owners who know how to run a football club and know when the right time to sell is. I'm certain we'll see Matej in a Watford shirt for a few seasons more. Would like to see Vydra, Abdi, Pudil, Battochio, Geijo and Ekstrand signed by the end of the season, as well as new deals for Deeney, Hall and Almunia.[/p][/quote]5 year contract for rising young star Chris iwelumo?[/p][/quote]Certainly a good option, his pace and movement makes him ideal for this side.[/p][/quote]And what a prolific goal scorer he was last season. Tbh I've never seen him miss a chance in the penalty box, he is clinical in front of an open goal.[/p][/quote]You're absolutely right. Its his ability to finish time and time again that has generated such interest amongst the big cubs and added millions to his price tag: http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=RqkShPKgA bw chrisptrifle
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8:58pm Wed 23 Jan 13

jasonwatford says...

take a look at alex geijo twitter account...see a pic of the boys at dinner...Just looking you can see how happy and how bonded they are as a team...well done mr zola we are so pround to be hornets right now
take a look at alex geijo twitter account...see a pic of the boys at dinner...Just looking you can see how happy and how bonded they are as a team...well done mr zola we are so pround to be hornets right now jasonwatford
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9:08pm Wed 23 Jan 13

Stoney77 says...

ChunkeyMonkey wrote:
Interesting debate to be had at the centre of this discussion, who holds the power? The player, the club, or the owners?

The quoted party for this story is the players agent, he has position to protect and a player to trumpet about.

To me, a big part of the reason that MV is doing so well is that GFZ has the resources and the skills to have put together a really good team in very quick time that plays to MV's strengths, in particular the layoffs from Deeney catching the defence square enabling MV to be one on one with the keeper. MV may well have been fourth or fifth striker at Udinese but here he is number one and banging them in. Credit where it is due.

The owners control of the three clubs, and particularly how that operates seems to be pivotal. Whereas a year ago at WFC it was hand-to-mouth operations and sell a player to survive, now we can hand out 5.5 year contracts and take the players to Spain for some warm weather training. That all has to be funded from within a structure that I for one know little about. I am not concerned about not knowing, just recognising that that is how it appears to work.

At the moment we use the loophole of international transfers effectively. If The governing body close the loophole then perhaps it will be more important that the registrations are transferred to the club the player plays for. Onward sale in the future may also have cross border tax implications (boring I know but relevant to the overall business). In the meantime the agent knows, the player knows, the manager knows and the owners know and yes we all know that it is in all of our interests that MV is a Watford player.

Enjoy the ride. We appear to have professionals looking after our interests.
I agree it is an interesting debate over who holds the power and who ultimately decides who goes where in the Pozzo Empire. I don't think Vydra will make a decision on staying/signing with us until he knows which division he will be playing in next season. Neither Vydra or the Pozzos will want Vydra playing in the Championship next season so if we don't go up, maybe they will cash in or send him back to Udinese. This does open up the debate over where the power lies. For example if we get promoted but are languishing in the bottom half of the table but Udinese are flying and verging on a champs league spot, do the Pozzos simply instruct a selection of our best players to move to Udinese to assist with champs league qualification and thus a shed load of cash for the Pozzo's?

Regardless of all that I really blimming hope he signs for us!!
[quote][p][bold]ChunkeyMonkey[/bold] wrote: Interesting debate to be had at the centre of this discussion, who holds the power? The player, the club, or the owners? The quoted party for this story is the players agent, he has position to protect and a player to trumpet about. To me, a big part of the reason that MV is doing so well is that GFZ has the resources and the skills to have put together a really good team in very quick time that plays to MV's strengths, in particular the layoffs from Deeney catching the defence square enabling MV to be one on one with the keeper. MV may well have been fourth or fifth striker at Udinese but here he is number one and banging them in. Credit where it is due. The owners control of the three clubs, and particularly how that operates seems to be pivotal. Whereas a year ago at WFC it was hand-to-mouth operations and sell a player to survive, now we can hand out 5.5 year contracts and take the players to Spain for some warm weather training. That all has to be funded from within a structure that I for one know little about. I am not concerned about not knowing, just recognising that that is how it appears to work. At the moment we use the loophole of international transfers effectively. If The governing body close the loophole then perhaps it will be more important that the registrations are transferred to the club the player plays for. Onward sale in the future may also have cross border tax implications (boring I know but relevant to the overall business). In the meantime the agent knows, the player knows, the manager knows and the owners know and yes we all know that it is in all of our interests that MV is a Watford player. Enjoy the ride. We appear to have professionals looking after our interests.[/p][/quote]I agree it is an interesting debate over who holds the power and who ultimately decides who goes where in the Pozzo Empire. I don't think Vydra will make a decision on staying/signing with us until he knows which division he will be playing in next season. Neither Vydra or the Pozzos will want Vydra playing in the Championship next season so if we don't go up, maybe they will cash in or send him back to Udinese. This does open up the debate over where the power lies. For example if we get promoted but are languishing in the bottom half of the table but Udinese are flying and verging on a champs league spot, do the Pozzos simply instruct a selection of our best players to move to Udinese to assist with champs league qualification and thus a shed load of cash for the Pozzo's? Regardless of all that I really blimming hope he signs for us!! Stoney77
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9:11pm Wed 23 Jan 13

lutondown says...

DouglasRinaldi the better Brazilian wrote:
This signing would certainly send out a message to other clubs that we are no longer 'little old Watford' who sell players below value to stay afloat, we now have competent owners who know how to run a football club and know when the right time to sell is. I'm certain we'll see Matej in a Watford shirt for a few seasons more. Would like to see Vydra, Abdi, Pudil, Battochio, Geijo and Ekstrand signed by the end of the season, as well as new deals for Deeney, Hall and Almunia.
Word for word, thought for thought, Douglas are you masquerading as me!
[quote][p][bold]DouglasRinaldi the better Brazilian[/bold] wrote: This signing would certainly send out a message to other clubs that we are no longer 'little old Watford' who sell players below value to stay afloat, we now have competent owners who know how to run a football club and know when the right time to sell is. I'm certain we'll see Matej in a Watford shirt for a few seasons more. Would like to see Vydra, Abdi, Pudil, Battochio, Geijo and Ekstrand signed by the end of the season, as well as new deals for Deeney, Hall and Almunia.[/p][/quote]Word for word, thought for thought, Douglas are you masquerading as me! lutondown
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9:15pm Wed 23 Jan 13

lutondown says...

GianlucaVialli the better italian wrote:
DouglasRinaldi the better Brazilian wrote:
GianlucaVialli the better italian wrote:
DouglasRinaldi the better Brazilian wrote:
This signing would certainly send out a message to other clubs that we are no longer 'little old Watford' who sell players below value to stay afloat, we now have competent owners who know how to run a football club and know when the right time to sell is. I'm certain we'll see Matej in a Watford shirt for a few seasons more. Would like to see Vydra, Abdi, Pudil, Battochio, Geijo and Ekstrand signed by the end of the season, as well as new deals for Deeney, Hall and Almunia.
5 year contract for rising young star Chris iwelumo?
Certainly a good option, his pace and movement makes him ideal for this side.
And what a prolific goal scorer he was last season. Tbh I've never seen him miss a chance in the penalty box, he is clinical in front of an open goal.
The difference a year makes eh?
[quote][p][bold]GianlucaVialli the better italian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DouglasRinaldi the better Brazilian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GianlucaVialli the better italian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DouglasRinaldi the better Brazilian[/bold] wrote: This signing would certainly send out a message to other clubs that we are no longer 'little old Watford' who sell players below value to stay afloat, we now have competent owners who know how to run a football club and know when the right time to sell is. I'm certain we'll see Matej in a Watford shirt for a few seasons more. Would like to see Vydra, Abdi, Pudil, Battochio, Geijo and Ekstrand signed by the end of the season, as well as new deals for Deeney, Hall and Almunia.[/p][/quote]5 year contract for rising young star Chris iwelumo?[/p][/quote]Certainly a good option, his pace and movement makes him ideal for this side.[/p][/quote]And what a prolific goal scorer he was last season. Tbh I've never seen him miss a chance in the penalty box, he is clinical in front of an open goal.[/p][/quote]The difference a year makes eh? lutondown
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9:47pm Wed 23 Jan 13

jasonwatford says...

BREAKING NEWS; Swansea FC ball-boy confirms he will be calling 'Injury Lawyers 4 You' after being injured by a Hazard at work.
BREAKING NEWS; Swansea FC ball-boy confirms he will be calling 'Injury Lawyers 4 You' after being injured by a Hazard at work. jasonwatford
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9:58pm Wed 23 Jan 13

QUINNPT says...

Just seen the ball boy incident, I disagree with John Salako on Sky.He misses the point, if Hazard has an issue of getting the ball.......speak to the referee/linesman not take the situation into his own hands. Yes the bally boy may have not helped matters but I can't understand the commentators justification!!!!.
Just seen the ball boy incident, I disagree with John Salako on Sky.He misses the point, if Hazard has an issue of getting the ball.......speak to the referee/linesman not take the situation into his own hands. Yes the bally boy may have not helped matters but I can't understand the commentators justification!!!!. QUINNPT
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11:08pm Wed 23 Jan 13

DouglasRinaldi the better Brazilian says...

lutondown wrote:
DouglasRinaldi the better Brazilian wrote:
This signing would certainly send out a message to other clubs that we are no longer 'little old Watford' who sell players below value to stay afloat, we now have competent owners who know how to run a football club and know when the right time to sell is. I'm certain we'll see Matej in a Watford shirt for a few seasons more. Would like to see Vydra, Abdi, Pudil, Battochio, Geijo and Ekstrand signed by the end of the season, as well as new deals for Deeney, Hall and Almunia.
Word for word, thought for thought, Douglas are you masquerading as me!
Good to see we agree on both our footballing opinions and our fine taste in fruit puns.
[quote][p][bold]lutondown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DouglasRinaldi the better Brazilian[/bold] wrote: This signing would certainly send out a message to other clubs that we are no longer 'little old Watford' who sell players below value to stay afloat, we now have competent owners who know how to run a football club and know when the right time to sell is. I'm certain we'll see Matej in a Watford shirt for a few seasons more. Would like to see Vydra, Abdi, Pudil, Battochio, Geijo and Ekstrand signed by the end of the season, as well as new deals for Deeney, Hall and Almunia.[/p][/quote]Word for word, thought for thought, Douglas are you masquerading as me![/p][/quote]Good to see we agree on both our footballing opinions and our fine taste in fruit puns. DouglasRinaldi the better Brazilian
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11:23pm Wed 23 Jan 13

Hampshire hornet says...

Peach of a quote
Peach of a quote Hampshire hornet
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11:24pm Wed 23 Jan 13

GianlucaVialli the better italian says...

jasonwatford wrote:
BREAKING NEWS; Swansea FC ball-boy confirms he will be calling 'Injury Lawyers 4 You' after being injured by a Hazard at work.
Brings back memories of Fitz Hall's touchline bust up with Boothroyd in the play off second leg.
[quote][p][bold]jasonwatford[/bold] wrote: BREAKING NEWS; Swansea FC ball-boy confirms he will be calling 'Injury Lawyers 4 You' after being injured by a Hazard at work.[/p][/quote]Brings back memories of Fitz Hall's touchline bust up with Boothroyd in the play off second leg. GianlucaVialli the better italian
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11:51pm Wed 23 Jan 13

WessexLad says...

D.unstable wrote:
Me thinks Mr (i did not see anything)Wenger has been looking over that fence in London Colney.

Go and do one or pay the price.

Martej is still under contract with Udinese (one wallet) anyhow, so he will go when the time and money is right, but not before.

I think he will remain at Watford certainly for the season and then dependent upon promotion it will be reassessed. If we go up it will be a natural progression for him and will be happy to stay longer.
Quite. he may well take Watford up, and then his value will be reassessed against his performance in the Premiership.

And with Watford scoring goals like the fourth v Huddersfield, that will worry a lot of other Premiership clubs.
[quote][p][bold]D.unstable[/bold] wrote: Me thinks Mr (i did not see anything)Wenger has been looking over that fence in London Colney. Go and do one or pay the price. Martej is still under contract with Udinese (one wallet) anyhow, so he will go when the time and money is right, but not before. I think he will remain at Watford certainly for the season and then dependent upon promotion it will be reassessed. If we go up it will be a natural progression for him and will be happy to stay longer.[/p][/quote]Quite. he may well take Watford up, and then his value will be reassessed against his performance in the Premiership. And with Watford scoring goals like the fourth v Huddersfield, that will worry a lot of other Premiership clubs. WessexLad
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11:59pm Wed 23 Jan 13

Hornet Cornet says...

drink drink drink. its all fuzzy now.
drink drink drink. its all fuzzy now. Hornet Cornet
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12:03am Thu 24 Jan 13

lockerbiehornet says...

Good to see Chelsea firmly behind the 'kick the ballboys out of football' campaign!!
Good to see Chelsea firmly behind the 'kick the ballboys out of football' campaign!! lockerbiehornet
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6:58am Thu 24 Jan 13

lutondown says...

lockerbiehornet wrote:
Good to see Chelsea firmly behind the 'kick the ballboys out of football' campaign!!
Can't condone what Hazaed did, but what a horrible lad, looks like his parents over indulged him.
This form of club sponsored cheating needs to be addressed.
[quote][p][bold]lockerbiehornet[/bold] wrote: Good to see Chelsea firmly behind the 'kick the ballboys out of football' campaign!![/p][/quote]Can't condone what Hazaed did, but what a horrible lad, looks like his parents over indulged him. This form of club sponsored cheating needs to be addressed. lutondown
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8:40am Thu 24 Jan 13

JohnnyHornet says...

QUINNPT wrote:
Just seen the ball boy incident, I disagree with John Salako on Sky.He misses the point, if Hazard has an issue of getting the ball.......speak to the referee/linesman not take the situation into his own hands. Yes the bally boy may have not helped matters but I can't understand the commentators justification!!!!.
I can, it's basically what they do all the time, one rule for us and another rule for footballers, If Hazard had a problem the Ref should have intervened and added more time, I hear BBC3CR radio presenter this morning saying it's all the ball boys fault as he had tweeted before the game he was going to time waste, Wrong Hazard wouldn't have known that, this was just another petulant highly overpaid prima donna lashing out, thuggish behaviour which shouldn't be allowed and certainly not at a footy match, If I had kicked someone in the ribs at a match I'd be arrested and charged with assault minimum, But I was not surprised at the lack of condemnation of Hazard...It underlines what is wrong with footy and I suppose society, it's wrong to condemn a footy player for diving because you cannot nowadays call him the cheat that he is, you cannot call a goalie who has clawed a ball back from well over the line a cheat, " because it's human nature " not to say what you had done, and if you're a Reading player who knew the ball was never within a mile of the net a few years ago you are also a cheat. End of rant, now late for work......
[quote][p][bold]QUINNPT[/bold] wrote: Just seen the ball boy incident, I disagree with John Salako on Sky.He misses the point, if Hazard has an issue of getting the ball.......speak to the referee/linesman not take the situation into his own hands. Yes the bally boy may have not helped matters but I can't understand the commentators justification!!!!.[/p][/quote]I can, it's basically what they do all the time, one rule for us and another rule for footballers, If Hazard had a problem the Ref should have intervened and added more time, I hear BBC3CR radio presenter this morning saying it's all the ball boys fault as he had tweeted before the game he was going to time waste, Wrong Hazard wouldn't have known that, this was just another petulant highly overpaid prima donna lashing out, thuggish behaviour which shouldn't be allowed and certainly not at a footy match, If I had kicked someone in the ribs at a match I'd be arrested and charged with assault minimum, But I was not surprised at the lack of condemnation of Hazard...It underlines what is wrong with footy and I suppose society, it's wrong to condemn a footy player for diving because you cannot nowadays call him the cheat that he is, you cannot call a goalie who has clawed a ball back from well over the line a cheat, " because it's human nature " not to say what you had done, and if you're a Reading player who knew the ball was never within a mile of the net a few years ago you are also a cheat. End of rant, now late for work...... JohnnyHornet
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9:53am Thu 24 Jan 13

@ChrisBottom16 says...

lutondown wrote:
lockerbiehornet wrote:
Good to see Chelsea firmly behind the 'kick the ballboys out of football' campaign!!
Can't condone what Hazaed did, but what a horrible lad, looks like his parents over indulged him.
This form of club sponsored cheating needs to be addressed.
The Ball Boys dad is a director at swansea
[quote][p][bold]lutondown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lockerbiehornet[/bold] wrote: Good to see Chelsea firmly behind the 'kick the ballboys out of football' campaign!![/p][/quote]Can't condone what Hazaed did, but what a horrible lad, looks like his parents over indulged him. This form of club sponsored cheating needs to be addressed.[/p][/quote]The Ball Boys dad is a director at swansea @ChrisBottom16
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10:02am Thu 24 Jan 13

Harry's Bar says...

Colin West's mullet wrote:
Harrydownunder wrote: Here lies all that is wrong with the modern game! Players agents. "we are not planning a major move for him"! It's no longer down to players loyalty or their desire to stay its down to agents greed! Look at demba ba, Newcastle saved his career but his agent orchestrated a move to get huge commissions! I hope matej signs up for us, he is just total quality.
let's not pretend players are innocent victims of dastardly agents. Agents are there to do the dirty work so players can shrug their shoulders and say 'its not me, its my agent.' Its very, very rare that a player's agent does a deal the player didn't ask him too.
I'm sure some players, let's say the less academically inclined, leave it solely up to their agent. I think Deeney for example is being influenced by his agent. I'm not saying Deeney is thick, but his agent must be the reason he hasn't signed yet. If not then is he this great bloke people are claiming?
[quote][p][bold]Colin West's mullet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harrydownunder[/bold] wrote: Here lies all that is wrong with the modern game! Players agents. "we are not planning a major move for him"! It's no longer down to players loyalty or their desire to stay its down to agents greed! Look at demba ba, Newcastle saved his career but his agent orchestrated a move to get huge commissions! I hope matej signs up for us, he is just total quality.[/p][/quote]let's not pretend players are innocent victims of dastardly agents. Agents are there to do the dirty work so players can shrug their shoulders and say 'its not me, its my agent.' Its very, very rare that a player's agent does a deal the player didn't ask him too.[/p][/quote]I'm sure some players, let's say the less academically inclined, leave it solely up to their agent. I think Deeney for example is being influenced by his agent. I'm not saying Deeney is thick, but his agent must be the reason he hasn't signed yet. If not then is he this great bloke people are claiming? Harry's Bar
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10:12am Thu 24 Jan 13

lutondown says...

Harry's Bar wrote:
Colin West's mullet wrote:
Harrydownunder wrote: Here lies all that is wrong with the modern game! Players agents. "we are not planning a major move for him"! It's no longer down to players loyalty or their desire to stay its down to agents greed! Look at demba ba, Newcastle saved his career but his agent orchestrated a move to get huge commissions! I hope matej signs up for us, he is just total quality.
let's not pretend players are innocent victims of dastardly agents. Agents are there to do the dirty work so players can shrug their shoulders and say 'its not me, its my agent.' Its very, very rare that a player's agent does a deal the player didn't ask him too.
I'm sure some players, let's say the less academically inclined, leave it solely up to their agent. I think Deeney for example is being influenced by his agent. I'm not saying Deeney is thick, but his agent must be the reason he hasn't signed yet. If not then is he this great bloke people are claiming?
Sorry mate that's a one way assumption. How do you know it's not the club that are not offering what the going rate is? Point is we can only speculate, which in my book is pointless, as it all comes out in the wash.
Have not seen too many posts saying what a great bloke he is, just those of us who acknowledge his vital contribution. One thing I know for sure via twitter, he interacts with fans the most and always replies to sensible questions.
[quote][p][bold]Harry's Bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Colin West's mullet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harrydownunder[/bold] wrote: Here lies all that is wrong with the modern game! Players agents. "we are not planning a major move for him"! It's no longer down to players loyalty or their desire to stay its down to agents greed! Look at demba ba, Newcastle saved his career but his agent orchestrated a move to get huge commissions! I hope matej signs up for us, he is just total quality.[/p][/quote]let's not pretend players are innocent victims of dastardly agents. Agents are there to do the dirty work so players can shrug their shoulders and say 'its not me, its my agent.' Its very, very rare that a player's agent does a deal the player didn't ask him too.[/p][/quote]I'm sure some players, let's say the less academically inclined, leave it solely up to their agent. I think Deeney for example is being influenced by his agent. I'm not saying Deeney is thick, but his agent must be the reason he hasn't signed yet. If not then is he this great bloke people are claiming?[/p][/quote]Sorry mate that's a one way assumption. How do you know it's not the club that are not offering what the going rate is? Point is we can only speculate, which in my book is pointless, as it all comes out in the wash. Have not seen too many posts saying what a great bloke he is, just those of us who acknowledge his vital contribution. One thing I know for sure via twitter, he interacts with fans the most and always replies to sensible questions. lutondown
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10:14am Thu 24 Jan 13

lutondown says...

Harry's Bar wrote:
Colin West's mullet wrote:
Harrydownunder wrote: Here lies all that is wrong with the modern game! Players agents. "we are not planning a major move for him"! It's no longer down to players loyalty or their desire to stay its down to agents greed! Look at demba ba, Newcastle saved his career but his agent orchestrated a move to get huge commissions! I hope matej signs up for us, he is just total quality.
let's not pretend players are innocent victims of dastardly agents. Agents are there to do the dirty work so players can shrug their shoulders and say 'its not me, its my agent.' Its very, very rare that a player's agent does a deal the player didn't ask him too.
I'm sure some players, let's say the less academically inclined, leave it solely up to their agent. I think Deeney for example is being influenced by his agent. I'm not saying Deeney is thick, but his agent must be the reason he hasn't signed yet. If not then is he this great bloke people are claiming?
And yes as I see it on a totally non founded basis you are assuming Deeney can't think for himself. Why not say what's on your mind?
[quote][p][bold]Harry's Bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Colin West's mullet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harrydownunder[/bold] wrote: Here lies all that is wrong with the modern game! Players agents. "we are not planning a major move for him"! It's no longer down to players loyalty or their desire to stay its down to agents greed! Look at demba ba, Newcastle saved his career but his agent orchestrated a move to get huge commissions! I hope matej signs up for us, he is just total quality.[/p][/quote]let's not pretend players are innocent victims of dastardly agents. Agents are there to do the dirty work so players can shrug their shoulders and say 'its not me, its my agent.' Its very, very rare that a player's agent does a deal the player didn't ask him too.[/p][/quote]I'm sure some players, let's say the less academically inclined, leave it solely up to their agent. I think Deeney for example is being influenced by his agent. I'm not saying Deeney is thick, but his agent must be the reason he hasn't signed yet. If not then is he this great bloke people are claiming?[/p][/quote]And yes as I see it on a totally non founded basis you are assuming Deeney can't think for himself. Why not say what's on your mind? lutondown
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10:49am Thu 24 Jan 13

Harry's Bar says...

lutondown wrote:
Harry's Bar wrote:
Colin West's mullet wrote:
Harrydownunder wrote: Here lies all that is wrong with the modern game! Players agents. "we are not planning a major move for him"! It's no longer down to players loyalty or their desire to stay its down to agents greed! Look at demba ba, Newcastle saved his career but his agent orchestrated a move to get huge commissions! I hope matej signs up for us, he is just total quality.
let's not pretend players are innocent victims of dastardly agents. Agents are there to do the dirty work so players can shrug their shoulders and say 'its not me, its my agent.' Its very, very rare that a player's agent does a deal the player didn't ask him too.
I'm sure some players, let's say the less academically inclined, leave it solely up to their agent. I think Deeney for example is being influenced by his agent. I'm not saying Deeney is thick, but his agent must be the reason he hasn't signed yet. If not then is he this great bloke people are claiming?
And yes as I see it on a totally non founded basis you are assuming Deeney can't think for himself. Why not say what's on your mind?
I'm actually supporting Deeney, admittedly in a rather roundabout way. I think he's being influenced by his agent. If it was down to him he would have just signed the contract as a payback to the club.
I'm sure Deeney can think for himself but can also be impressionable. It's easy to be influenced by people around you, as Troy has learnt to his cost before!
[quote][p][bold]lutondown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harry's Bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Colin West's mullet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harrydownunder[/bold] wrote: Here lies all that is wrong with the modern game! Players agents. "we are not planning a major move for him"! It's no longer down to players loyalty or their desire to stay its down to agents greed! Look at demba ba, Newcastle saved his career but his agent orchestrated a move to get huge commissions! I hope matej signs up for us, he is just total quality.[/p][/quote]let's not pretend players are innocent victims of dastardly agents. Agents are there to do the dirty work so players can shrug their shoulders and say 'its not me, its my agent.' Its very, very rare that a player's agent does a deal the player didn't ask him too.[/p][/quote]I'm sure some players, let's say the less academically inclined, leave it solely up to their agent. I think Deeney for example is being influenced by his agent. I'm not saying Deeney is thick, but his agent must be the reason he hasn't signed yet. If not then is he this great bloke people are claiming?[/p][/quote]And yes as I see it on a totally non founded basis you are assuming Deeney can't think for himself. Why not say what's on your mind?[/p][/quote]I'm actually supporting Deeney, admittedly in a rather roundabout way. I think he's being influenced by his agent. If it was down to him he would have just signed the contract as a payback to the club. I'm sure Deeney can think for himself but can also be impressionable. It's easy to be influenced by people around you, as Troy has learnt to his cost before! Harry's Bar
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10:56am Thu 24 Jan 13

endean2 says...

just seen the Swansea ballboy incident,
our boy Deeney would not have allowed such behavoir!
thought that Hazard was quiet restrained
just seen the Swansea ballboy incident, our boy Deeney would not have allowed such behavoir! thought that Hazard was quiet restrained endean2
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11:18am Thu 24 Jan 13

jasonwatford says...

What fans dont get is that players are not fans of a club...they dont see it as we do. Deeney will sign once his agent gets him best deal. He is not looking to go anywhere at all.
What fans dont get is that players are not fans of a club...they dont see it as we do. Deeney will sign once his agent gets him best deal. He is not looking to go anywhere at all. jasonwatford
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11:23am Thu 24 Jan 13

lutondown says...

Harry's Bar wrote:
lutondown wrote:
Harry's Bar wrote:
Colin West's mullet wrote:
Harrydownunder wrote: Here lies all that is wrong with the modern game! Players agents. "we are not planning a major move for him"! It's no longer down to players loyalty or their desire to stay its down to agents greed! Look at demba ba, Newcastle saved his career but his agent orchestrated a move to get huge commissions! I hope matej signs up for us, he is just total quality.
let's not pretend players are innocent victims of dastardly agents. Agents are there to do the dirty work so players can shrug their shoulders and say 'its not me, its my agent.' Its very, very rare that a player's agent does a deal the player didn't ask him too.
I'm sure some players, let's say the less academically inclined, leave it solely up to their agent. I think Deeney for example is being influenced by his agent. I'm not saying Deeney is thick, but his agent must be the reason he hasn't signed yet. If not then is he this great bloke people are claiming?
And yes as I see it on a totally non founded basis you are assuming Deeney can't think for himself. Why not say what's on your mind?
I'm actually supporting Deeney, admittedly in a rather roundabout way. I think he's being influenced by his agent. If it was down to him he would have just signed the contract as a payback to the club.
I'm sure Deeney can think for himself but can also be impressionable. It's easy to be influenced by people around you, as Troy has learnt to his cost before!
Fair dos. Interesting none of the work he does with Birmingham kids ever gets air space, and I think that there are a few who would have Troys head on a pike, those who would not like to hear of that side of him.
As for agents? Every player has one, and every player lets his agent do his bidding.
[quote][p][bold]Harry's Bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lutondown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harry's Bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Colin West's mullet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harrydownunder[/bold] wrote: Here lies all that is wrong with the modern game! Players agents. "we are not planning a major move for him"! It's no longer down to players loyalty or their desire to stay its down to agents greed! Look at demba ba, Newcastle saved his career but his agent orchestrated a move to get huge commissions! I hope matej signs up for us, he is just total quality.[/p][/quote]let's not pretend players are innocent victims of dastardly agents. Agents are there to do the dirty work so players can shrug their shoulders and say 'its not me, its my agent.' Its very, very rare that a player's agent does a deal the player didn't ask him too.[/p][/quote]I'm sure some players, let's say the less academically inclined, leave it solely up to their agent. I think Deeney for example is being influenced by his agent. I'm not saying Deeney is thick, but his agent must be the reason he hasn't signed yet. If not then is he this great bloke people are claiming?[/p][/quote]And yes as I see it on a totally non founded basis you are assuming Deeney can't think for himself. Why not say what's on your mind?[/p][/quote]I'm actually supporting Deeney, admittedly in a rather roundabout way. I think he's being influenced by his agent. If it was down to him he would have just signed the contract as a payback to the club. I'm sure Deeney can think for himself but can also be impressionable. It's easy to be influenced by people around you, as Troy has learnt to his cost before![/p][/quote]Fair dos. Interesting none of the work he does with Birmingham kids ever gets air space, and I think that there are a few who would have Troys head on a pike, those who would not like to hear of that side of him. As for agents? Every player has one, and every player lets his agent do his bidding. lutondown
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12:13pm Thu 24 Jan 13

akureyri says...

Five Premiership clubs and Brighton!!! looking at MV.
Five Premiership clubs and Brighton!!! looking at MV. akureyri
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2:06pm Thu 24 Jan 13

jasonwatford says...

Brighton rumour is on that football rumours website put up by a brighton fan...Spurs seem to be interested now but they wont pay till he has proved he can do it in prem league.
Brighton rumour is on that football rumours website put up by a brighton fan...Spurs seem to be interested now but they wont pay till he has proved he can do it in prem league. jasonwatford
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2:11pm Thu 24 Jan 13

lutondown says...

jasonwatford wrote:
Brighton rumour is on that football rumours website put up by a brighton fan...Spurs seem to be interested now but they wont pay till he has proved he can do it in prem league.
It was Jason, someone heard it from a mate at work, who has good journo friends. Yeah ok. Why do people give this airspace? Spurs, i see that if they part with 15m for a untested talent, but Brighton? Do me a favour
[quote][p][bold]jasonwatford[/bold] wrote: Brighton rumour is on that football rumours website put up by a brighton fan...Spurs seem to be interested now but they wont pay till he has proved he can do it in prem league.[/p][/quote]It was Jason, someone heard it from a mate at work, who has good journo friends. Yeah ok. Why do people give this airspace? Spurs, i see that if they part with 15m for a untested talent, but Brighton? Do me a favour lutondown
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2:37pm Thu 24 Jan 13

DouglasRinaldi the better Brazilian says...

lutondown wrote:
jasonwatford wrote:
Brighton rumour is on that football rumours website put up by a brighton fan...Spurs seem to be interested now but they wont pay till he has proved he can do it in prem league.
It was Jason, someone heard it from a mate at work, who has good journo friends. Yeah ok. Why do people give this airspace? Spurs, i see that if they part with 15m for a untested talent, but Brighton? Do me a favour
I too look at that ludicrous football rumours website just for a laugh. This is the same website that said we would sign Frank Lampard, Mario Balotelli and Antonio Di Natale. Don't believe anything on it, the Pozzos know what they're doing.
[quote][p][bold]lutondown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jasonwatford[/bold] wrote: Brighton rumour is on that football rumours website put up by a brighton fan...Spurs seem to be interested now but they wont pay till he has proved he can do it in prem league.[/p][/quote]It was Jason, someone heard it from a mate at work, who has good journo friends. Yeah ok. Why do people give this airspace? Spurs, i see that if they part with 15m for a untested talent, but Brighton? Do me a favour[/p][/quote]I too look at that ludicrous football rumours website just for a laugh. This is the same website that said we would sign Frank Lampard, Mario Balotelli and Antonio Di Natale. Don't believe anything on it, the Pozzos know what they're doing. DouglasRinaldi the better Brazilian
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2:42pm Thu 24 Jan 13

lutondown says...

DouglasRinaldi the better Brazilian wrote:
lutondown wrote:
jasonwatford wrote:
Brighton rumour is on that football rumours website put up by a brighton fan...Spurs seem to be interested now but they wont pay till he has proved he can do it in prem league.
It was Jason, someone heard it from a mate at work, who has good journo friends. Yeah ok. Why do people give this airspace? Spurs, i see that if they part with 15m for a untested talent, but Brighton? Do me a favour
I too look at that ludicrous football rumours website just for a laugh. This is the same website that said we would sign Frank Lampard, Mario Balotelli and Antonio Di Natale. Don't believe anything on it, the Pozzos know what they're doing.
Exactly and if he goes, then we replace him. We are not a one man team FFS!
[quote][p][bold]DouglasRinaldi the better Brazilian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lutondown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jasonwatford[/bold] wrote: Brighton rumour is on that football rumours website put up by a brighton fan...Spurs seem to be interested now but they wont pay till he has proved he can do it in prem league.[/p][/quote]It was Jason, someone heard it from a mate at work, who has good journo friends. Yeah ok. Why do people give this airspace? Spurs, i see that if they part with 15m for a untested talent, but Brighton? Do me a favour[/p][/quote]I too look at that ludicrous football rumours website just for a laugh. This is the same website that said we would sign Frank Lampard, Mario Balotelli and Antonio Di Natale. Don't believe anything on it, the Pozzos know what they're doing.[/p][/quote]Exactly and if he goes, then we replace him. We are not a one man team FFS! lutondown
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3:49pm Thu 24 Jan 13

JohnnyHornet says...

akureyri wrote:
Five Premiership clubs and Brighton!!! looking at MV.
Brighton probably think MV is in the same mould as Will Buckley easily taken for 1M.....Dream on Poyet, make it 21M and we'll consider it for his left leg.
[quote][p][bold]akureyri[/bold] wrote: Five Premiership clubs and Brighton!!! looking at MV.[/p][/quote]Brighton probably think MV is in the same mould as Will Buckley easily taken for 1M.....Dream on Poyet, make it 21M and we'll consider it for his left leg. JohnnyHornet
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3:51pm Thu 24 Jan 13

lutondown says...

JohnnyHornet wrote:
akureyri wrote:
Five Premiership clubs and Brighton!!! looking at MV.
Brighton probably think MV is in the same mould as Will Buckley easily taken for 1M.....Dream on Poyet, make it 21M and we'll consider it for his left leg.
Bang on Johnny! But I don't think Poyets daft!
[quote][p][bold]JohnnyHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]akureyri[/bold] wrote: Five Premiership clubs and Brighton!!! looking at MV.[/p][/quote]Brighton probably think MV is in the same mould as Will Buckley easily taken for 1M.....Dream on Poyet, make it 21M and we'll consider it for his left leg.[/p][/quote]Bang on Johnny! But I don't think Poyets daft! lutondown
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6:46pm Thu 24 Jan 13

Larrythe Loafer 'Orn says...

I love watching the present 'Orns and think MV is a superb striker with a great ability to score goals and had he been one on one at Man City and scored to make it 1- 1 who knows but let's be real.

When we played Man City the gap between us was awesome and MV did not look such a great player against the likes of Kompany etc. He will need time to adjust to the Prem but if Danny Graham can do that successfully then who would doubt Vydras ability to do the same or better. (DG lost his starting place)
As for his value, in the Jan window next year with 10 goals under his belt in the Prem he has to be worth north of £20m and the Pozzos know that.
The agent gets a fee for him signing for us and then another fee for the bigger transfer in 12 months time. We get the title and MV gets his first medal
I would say that is win - win all round
I love watching the present 'Orns and think MV is a superb striker with a great ability to score goals and had he been one on one at Man City and scored to make it 1- 1 who knows but let's be real. When we played Man City the gap between us was awesome and MV did not look such a great player against the likes of Kompany etc. He will need time to adjust to the Prem but if Danny Graham can do that successfully then who would doubt Vydras ability to do the same or better. (DG lost his starting place) As for his value, in the Jan window next year with 10 goals under his belt in the Prem he has to be worth north of £20m and the Pozzos know that. The agent gets a fee for him signing for us and then another fee for the bigger transfer in 12 months time. We get the title and MV gets his first medal I would say that is win - win all round Larrythe Loafer 'Orn
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