Watford boss Gianfranco Zola doesn't regret making six changes against Bristol City

Watford Observer: Fernando Forestieri was one of six changes made by Gianfranco Zola tonight. Picture: Action Images Fernando Forestieri was one of six changes made by Gianfranco Zola tonight. Picture: Action Images

Gianfranco Zola insists he does not regret making six changes for tonight’s 2-0 defeat to Bristol City and claimed he would do it again.

Fitz Hall, John Eustace, Jonathan Hogg, Sean Murray, Fernando Forestieri and Alex Geijo all came into the starting XI this evening.

Zola stressed it is important he keeps the whole squad happy and highlighted the fact the Hornets have three games in eight days as a reason for his decision.

When asked if he regretted making the six changes, Zola replied: “No. I don’t look at the short picture. We have a lot of games to play and this is a team; it is not just about the first XI.

“We have other players that have always been very good when they have played and I need to keep them all motivated as I will need them until the end.

“So I don’t regret it and I don’t think it is the reason we didn’t win the game. I would do it again to be honest.”

When pressed on the matter further, he added: “We have a lot of games and the players we have on the bench are very good players. I don’t think it is the main reason we lost.

“Don’t forget Fernando Forestieri was one of our best players and is still one of the best players we have.

“It is just tonight wasn’t our night and we didn’t expect them to be sitting back so much and not pushing forward. We couldn’t find the spaces we are normally good at finding and that was the difference.”

City’s manager Sean O’Driscoll got his tactics right tonight; with Bristol sitting deep, remaining compact and making it hard for Watford to play their usual game.

Zola said: “Their tactics didn’t help us of course because they made it very difficult for us and it is certainly one of the reasons for today’s defeat.

“Also the quality in the final third was not as good as normal and having one chance in the first half is not enough.

“The first goal was a lucky goal but after that we didn’t do enough for us to say we deserved something more than this.

“I think their tactics and our lack of quality in the final third have made the difference.”

He continued: “The result is disappointing and so is the performance. Defeats like this can happen and it can happen on days like this.

“The reaction is now what is important. I believe everybody is as disappointed as I am but what can you do?

“Other times we have been fantastic and today we haven’t been. It is part of football. But I am expecting something more than that in the next game.

“It is a night where everybody has made mistakes and we need to improve in the next game.”

Bristol’s first goal came from a Greg Cunningham cross which skidded off the surface and deceived goalkeeper Manuel Almunia.

Zola refused to blame the former Arsenal man though, saying: “He certainly won’t be very happy about it but I wouldn’t even want to mention it because he has been fantastic most of the times we have played."

The Italian concluded: “This game won’t change anything. But something might change if we don’t react properly to this game. That is what I am expecting straight away.”

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11:14pm Tue 29 Jan 13

Hornet Cornet says...

Not good enough GZ. you shouldve put out our strongest team with the aim of destroying BCFC. you also need to learn from this my little friend.
Not good enough GZ. you shouldve put out our strongest team with the aim of destroying BCFC. you also need to learn from this my little friend. Hornet Cornet

11:18pm Tue 29 Jan 13

JoeWFC_12 says...

The way I look at it is that 6 changes in one go was far to many! Breaking it down logically, we fielded one different defender, pretty much a complete different midfield and two different strikers compared to the inform 11 we have been playing! I'm not denying the talent we got on the bench but making changes like that for the sake of playing them ain't going to work! You wouldn't expect to see RVP in his form
to be dropped in league matches...same goes to Vydra!
The way I look at it is that 6 changes in one go was far to many! Breaking it down logically, we fielded one different defender, pretty much a complete different midfield and two different strikers compared to the inform 11 we have been playing! I'm not denying the talent we got on the bench but making changes like that for the sake of playing them ain't going to work! You wouldn't expect to see RVP in his form to be dropped in league matches...same goes to Vydra! JoeWFC_12

11:18pm Tue 29 Jan 13

holtonian says...

Cannot give our manager nothing but praise. It is about keeping your squad happy this gives true unity in good teams. In a few months sides are now just defending against us as City did tonight.. Give City credit. We may have been stuck in the dungeons if Gianfranco and our great owners had not taken us over. Nice job.
Cannot give our manager nothing but praise. It is about keeping your squad happy this gives true unity in good teams. In a few months sides are now just defending against us as City did tonight.. Give City credit. We may have been stuck in the dungeons if Gianfranco and our great owners had not taken us over. Nice job. holtonian

11:22pm Tue 29 Jan 13

Vet_kills_puppy says...

Cut and pasted from another thread for GFZ.
I hope you read this tomorrow morning.
Posted without animosity but with a healthy dose of reality.
"I want to read on the Official Site tomorrow that GFZ realises that he has now fcuked up twice by making wholesale changes to a winning side etc.
The psychology of 2nd place would have far out-weighed the psychology of the supposed need for squad rotation.
Had we been 2nd those in the wings would have fought that much harder or had to fight that much harder for a run-out. When they came on as a sub it would have been their chance to make sure their name HAD to be first on the teamsheet.
And as for the psychology of saying to your in-form front two 'chomping at the bit' strikers "I'm starting with you both on the bench tonight"... Pathetic, 4th or not."
Cut and pasted from another thread for GFZ. I hope you read this tomorrow morning. Posted without animosity but with a healthy dose of reality. "I want to read on the Official Site tomorrow that GFZ realises that he has now fcuked up twice by making wholesale changes to a winning side etc. The psychology of 2nd place would have far out-weighed the psychology of the supposed need for squad rotation. Had we been 2nd those in the wings would have fought that much harder or had to fight that much harder for a run-out. When they came on as a sub it would have been their chance to make sure their name HAD to be first on the teamsheet. And as for the psychology of saying to your in-form front two 'chomping at the bit' strikers "I'm starting with you both on the bench tonight"... Pathetic, 4th or not." Vet_kills_puppy

11:22pm Tue 29 Jan 13

endean2 says...

just got back from the game, sorry ZOLA you may be convinced that was the right team to play but I can tellyou that the was an air of despondance when the team was announced by all the fans around me.

we were with the exception of the first
20 minutes dreadfull and if we had played another hour we would not have scored..
I am convinced that you do not change a winning team, or certainly not 6 players, Murray was probally the worst offender but there were a few other candidates for sure.

rant over, hope we get the 3 points on Saturday
just got back from the game, sorry ZOLA you may be convinced that was the right team to play but I can tellyou that the was an air of despondance when the team was announced by all the fans around me. we were with the exception of the first 20 minutes dreadfull and if we had played another hour we would not have scored.. I am convinced that you do not change a winning team, or certainly not 6 players, Murray was probally the worst offender but there were a few other candidates for sure. rant over, hope we get the 3 points on Saturday endean2

11:22pm Tue 29 Jan 13

DouglasRinaldi the better Brazilian says...

holtonian wrote:
Cannot give our manager nothing but praise. It is about keeping your squad happy this gives true unity in good teams. In a few months sides are now just defending against us as City did tonight.. Give City credit. We may have been stuck in the dungeons if Gianfranco and our great owners had not taken us over. Nice job.
I agree that overall Zola and the Pozzos have done an excellent job, but it doesn't make them exempt from criticism. Tonight, Zola made an error in my opinion. He disrupted the rhythm of our in form team and I believe 6 changes was too many. Keeping the squad happy is fine, but wholesale changes to a team on great form seems illogical.
[quote][p][bold]holtonian[/bold] wrote: Cannot give our manager nothing but praise. It is about keeping your squad happy this gives true unity in good teams. In a few months sides are now just defending against us as City did tonight.. Give City credit. We may have been stuck in the dungeons if Gianfranco and our great owners had not taken us over. Nice job.[/p][/quote]I agree that overall Zola and the Pozzos have done an excellent job, but it doesn't make them exempt from criticism. Tonight, Zola made an error in my opinion. He disrupted the rhythm of our in form team and I believe 6 changes was too many. Keeping the squad happy is fine, but wholesale changes to a team on great form seems illogical. DouglasRinaldi the better Brazilian

11:24pm Tue 29 Jan 13

Bringe says...

Agree with most of it, though one or two selections raised my eyebrows. We should have taken advantage of the crowded box ... just crash it in and see what happens but no, we tried to be too clever.
Agree with most of it, though one or two selections raised my eyebrows. We should have taken advantage of the crowded box ... just crash it in and see what happens but no, we tried to be too clever. Bringe

11:26pm Tue 29 Jan 13

JoeWFC_12 says...

I see you point holtonian and do agree its important to keep the camp happy! I feel most people's anger is towards the amount of changes in one go! We completely changed the core of the midfield and strike force in one hit compared to the recent successful 11!
I see you point holtonian and do agree its important to keep the camp happy! I feel most people's anger is towards the amount of changes in one go! We completely changed the core of the midfield and strike force in one hit compared to the recent successful 11! JoeWFC_12

11:28pm Tue 29 Jan 13

Vet_kills_puppy says...

FFS!!!
He got it wrong!!!
Say it out loud!!!
FFS!!! He got it wrong!!! Say it out loud!!! Vet_kills_puppy

11:29pm Tue 29 Jan 13

holtonian says...

DouglasRinaldi the better Brazilian wrote:
holtonian wrote:
Cannot give our manager nothing but praise. It is about keeping your squad happy this gives true unity in good teams. In a few months sides are now just defending against us as City did tonight.. Give City credit. We may have been stuck in the dungeons if Gianfranco and our great owners had not taken us over. Nice job.
I agree that overall Zola and the Pozzos have done an excellent job, but it doesn't make them exempt from criticism. Tonight, Zola made an error in my opinion. He disrupted the rhythm of our in form team and I believe 6 changes was too many. Keeping the squad happy is fine, but wholesale changes to a team on great form seems illogical.
Long term it is proven that by rotating it really pays. I can understand supporters feeling upset at the loss but he sees the squad daily and knows the strength of players he used tonight. I am certain that Fenando will be a future star just as an example. Its not good policy to play twice in 3 days.
[quote][p][bold]DouglasRinaldi the better Brazilian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]holtonian[/bold] wrote: Cannot give our manager nothing but praise. It is about keeping your squad happy this gives true unity in good teams. In a few months sides are now just defending against us as City did tonight.. Give City credit. We may have been stuck in the dungeons if Gianfranco and our great owners had not taken us over. Nice job.[/p][/quote]I agree that overall Zola and the Pozzos have done an excellent job, but it doesn't make them exempt from criticism. Tonight, Zola made an error in my opinion. He disrupted the rhythm of our in form team and I believe 6 changes was too many. Keeping the squad happy is fine, but wholesale changes to a team on great form seems illogical.[/p][/quote]Long term it is proven that by rotating it really pays. I can understand supporters feeling upset at the loss but he sees the squad daily and knows the strength of players he used tonight. I am certain that Fenando will be a future star just as an example. Its not good policy to play twice in 3 days. holtonian

11:33pm Tue 29 Jan 13

Vet_kills_puppy says...

It is proven by whom Holtonian?
It is proven by whom Holtonian? Vet_kills_puppy

11:34pm Tue 29 Jan 13

Vet_kills_puppy says...

# and please give examples from the Championship
# and please give examples from the Championship Vet_kills_puppy

11:35pm Tue 29 Jan 13

holtonian says...

Vet_kills_puppy wrote:
It is proven by whom Holtonian?
Man Utd Man City Barca Real Madrid all and every top club rotate my friend.
[quote][p][bold]Vet_kills_puppy[/bold] wrote: It is proven by whom Holtonian?[/p][/quote]Man Utd Man City Barca Real Madrid all and every top club rotate my friend. holtonian

11:37pm Tue 29 Jan 13

Vet_kills_puppy says...

I repeat.
From the Championship.
I repeat. From the Championship. Vet_kills_puppy

11:38pm Tue 29 Jan 13

JoeWFC_12 says...

Cast you mind back to the sort of football we played leading up to the battochio goal...everyone played for each other, knew where each other were on the pitch...that was a thing of beauty that passage of play! Now change 6 of them in one swoop! That was the probably the first time we fielded that 11 in one game! I rest by my opinion 6 way to many in one go! It's dangerous and not necessary! We have subs, subs the non regular players in to give them playing time!
Cast you mind back to the sort of football we played leading up to the battochio goal...everyone played for each other, knew where each other were on the pitch...that was a thing of beauty that passage of play! Now change 6 of them in one swoop! That was the probably the first time we fielded that 11 in one game! I rest by my opinion 6 way to many in one go! It's dangerous and not necessary! We have subs, subs the non regular players in to give them playing time! JoeWFC_12

11:41pm Tue 29 Jan 13

holtonian says...

Vet_kills_puppy wrote:
I repeat.
From the Championship.
You either have faith in rotation or not there are not that many clubs in the championship that have the strength in depth we have. So we are unique.
[quote][p][bold]Vet_kills_puppy[/bold] wrote: I repeat. From the Championship.[/p][/quote]You either have faith in rotation or not there are not that many clubs in the championship that have the strength in depth we have. So we are unique. holtonian

11:42pm Tue 29 Jan 13

KeithMercer says...

holtonian wrote:
Cannot give our manager nothing but praise. It is about keeping your squad happy this gives true unity in good teams. In a few months sides are now just defending against us as City did tonight.. Give City credit. We may have been stuck in the dungeons if Gianfranco and our great owners had not taken us over. Nice job.
You the man holtonian !
a wise man who sees the bigger picture and understands there is a lot of football still to be played and its not all about one rainy night in the west country.
[quote][p][bold]holtonian[/bold] wrote: Cannot give our manager nothing but praise. It is about keeping your squad happy this gives true unity in good teams. In a few months sides are now just defending against us as City did tonight.. Give City credit. We may have been stuck in the dungeons if Gianfranco and our great owners had not taken us over. Nice job.[/p][/quote]You the man holtonian ! a wise man who sees the bigger picture and understands there is a lot of football still to be played and its not all about one rainy night in the west country. KeithMercer

11:43pm Tue 29 Jan 13

AngelHornet says...

Schoolboy error from GZ.

One or two changes..., yes, but that was a diabolical piece of management.
Schoolboy error from GZ. One or two changes..., yes, but that was a diabolical piece of management. AngelHornet

11:44pm Tue 29 Jan 13

stevyweavy says...

Wrong, wrong, wrong!!!
Wrong, wrong, wrong!!! stevyweavy

11:44pm Tue 29 Jan 13

Poppet Bear says...

If you want to rotate to keep the squad happy, then may be pick Hall & Forestiere but why would you want to keep Murray & Eustace happy ? Definitely last year's team. 6 is too many.
If you want to rotate to keep the squad happy, then may be pick Hall & Forestiere but why would you want to keep Murray & Eustace happy ? Definitely last year's team. 6 is too many. Poppet Bear

11:45pm Tue 29 Jan 13

holtonian says...

KeithMercer wrote:
holtonian wrote:
Cannot give our manager nothing but praise. It is about keeping your squad happy this gives true unity in good teams. In a few months sides are now just defending against us as City did tonight.. Give City credit. We may have been stuck in the dungeons if Gianfranco and our great owners had not taken us over. Nice job.
You the man holtonian !
a wise man who sees the bigger picture and understands there is a lot of football still to be played and its not all about one rainy night in the west country.
Like yourself i think supporters should look at the big picture rather than quick fix situations.
[quote][p][bold]KeithMercer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]holtonian[/bold] wrote: Cannot give our manager nothing but praise. It is about keeping your squad happy this gives true unity in good teams. In a few months sides are now just defending against us as City did tonight.. Give City credit. We may have been stuck in the dungeons if Gianfranco and our great owners had not taken us over. Nice job.[/p][/quote]You the man holtonian ! a wise man who sees the bigger picture and understands there is a lot of football still to be played and its not all about one rainy night in the west country.[/p][/quote]Like yourself i think supporters should look at the big picture rather than quick fix situations. holtonian

11:47pm Tue 29 Jan 13

micksolly says...

Very disappointing but we have come a long way in a very short time. Lets hope we will look back in May and reflect on tonight as we start moaning about the price of our Premier League season tickets. Didn't like the derogatory reference to 'little Zola' no need for that get a reality check.
Very disappointing but we have come a long way in a very short time. Lets hope we will look back in May and reflect on tonight as we start moaning about the price of our Premier League season tickets. Didn't like the derogatory reference to 'little Zola' no need for that get a reality check. micksolly

11:49pm Tue 29 Jan 13

GrahamTaylor says...

could have made 2 or 3 changes from the start making another 2 or 3 with the games beyond doubt!

or 1 or 2 tonight with another 1 or 2 Sat.... agree with majority not good enough

cant keep say what would have been etc they are here we could have been second

play each game on its merrits with a win tonight and a win sat and with cardiff to come to the vic we could hve been on their heels!

chalton and Bristol 6 points lost add that to the tally and see what a difference it makes
could have made 2 or 3 changes from the start making another 2 or 3 with the games beyond doubt! or 1 or 2 tonight with another 1 or 2 Sat.... agree with majority not good enough cant keep say what would have been etc they are here we could have been second play each game on its merrits with a win tonight and a win sat and with cardiff to come to the vic we could hve been on their heels! chalton and Bristol 6 points lost add that to the tally and see what a difference it makes GrahamTaylor

11:49pm Tue 29 Jan 13

Hornet Cornet says...

AngelHornet wrote:
Schoolboy error from GZ.

One or two changes..., yes, but that was a diabolical piece of management.
So so true. lets hope he doesnt have egg on his face at the end of the season.
[quote][p][bold]AngelHornet[/bold] wrote: Schoolboy error from GZ. One or two changes..., yes, but that was a diabolical piece of management.[/p][/quote]So so true. lets hope he doesnt have egg on his face at the end of the season. Hornet Cornet

11:51pm Tue 29 Jan 13

Henry VIII says...

Personally I was not suprised by this. I also think that there were too many changes (just my opinion), but lets be fair, managers make mistakes but the important part is learning from them. I think what has irked many fans is that we have been in such a fine run of form that 2nd place almost seemed a formality - hence my main point, this is a fantastic division where the lowly can (and do) beat the mighty. It may not be easy to still accept, but we are with the mighty teams this time around. The beauty of the Championship is that results like this happen so often. Am I dissapointed not to be 2nd, obviously, but in the bigger picture we are still in a very good place with a long way to go. Perhaps GFZ just didn't want the Manager of the month award! I am sure we will get a taste of second spot within the coming weeks....the best things in life are worth waiting for :)
Personally I was not suprised by this. I also think that there were too many changes (just my opinion), but lets be fair, managers make mistakes but the important part is learning from them. I think what has irked many fans is that we have been in such a fine run of form that 2nd place almost seemed a formality - hence my main point, this is a fantastic division where the lowly can (and do) beat the mighty. It may not be easy to still accept, but we are with the mighty teams this time around. The beauty of the Championship is that results like this happen so often. Am I dissapointed not to be 2nd, obviously, but in the bigger picture we are still in a very good place with a long way to go. Perhaps GFZ just didn't want the Manager of the month award! I am sure we will get a taste of second spot within the coming weeks....the best things in life are worth waiting for :) Henry VIII

11:51pm Tue 29 Jan 13

KeithMercer says...

Vet_kills_puppy wrote:
Cut and pasted from another thread for GFZ.
I hope you read this tomorrow morning.
Posted without animosity but with a healthy dose of reality.
"I want to read on the Official Site tomorrow that GFZ realises that he has now fcuked up twice by making wholesale changes to a winning side etc.
The psychology of 2nd place would have far out-weighed the psychology of the supposed need for squad rotation.
Had we been 2nd those in the wings would have fought that much harder or had to fight that much harder for a run-out. When they came on as a sub it would have been their chance to make sure their name HAD to be first on the teamsheet.
And as for the psychology of saying to your in-form front two 'chomping at the bit' strikers "I'm starting with you both on the bench tonight"... Pathetic, 4th or not."
There is only one thing pathetic VKP and that is you and your whining !
Hope you apply for the next championship managers job that becomes available , you obviously have all the answers and a wealth of experience behind you.
I do suppose you are entitled to your opinion. Just wish it wasnt so hysterical .
[quote][p][bold]Vet_kills_puppy[/bold] wrote: Cut and pasted from another thread for GFZ. I hope you read this tomorrow morning. Posted without animosity but with a healthy dose of reality. "I want to read on the Official Site tomorrow that GFZ realises that he has now fcuked up twice by making wholesale changes to a winning side etc. The psychology of 2nd place would have far out-weighed the psychology of the supposed need for squad rotation. Had we been 2nd those in the wings would have fought that much harder or had to fight that much harder for a run-out. When they came on as a sub it would have been their chance to make sure their name HAD to be first on the teamsheet. And as for the psychology of saying to your in-form front two 'chomping at the bit' strikers "I'm starting with you both on the bench tonight"... Pathetic, 4th or not."[/p][/quote]There is only one thing pathetic VKP and that is you and your whining ! Hope you apply for the next championship managers job that becomes available , you obviously have all the answers and a wealth of experience behind you. I do suppose you are entitled to your opinion. Just wish it wasnt so hysterical . KeithMercer

11:53pm Tue 29 Jan 13

lutondown says...

I'm very happy when it goes right so don't want to be fickle when we have a set back, but tonight on hearing the selection, my self and all around predicted another Charlton. Sadly we were right.
Over the previous three games we conceded one goal scoring 9, why change the defence? Hogg and Eustace in together? No way. Murray, get him out somewhere to kick start his career, as I feel his five year contract has blunted his desire.
GFZ, I love your footballing philosophy, but I also agree that you play your best 11, tonight you did not, please see the error here.
Back to being a supporter, because that's what we do
I'm very happy when it goes right so don't want to be fickle when we have a set back, but tonight on hearing the selection, my self and all around predicted another Charlton. Sadly we were right. Over the previous three games we conceded one goal scoring 9, why change the defence? Hogg and Eustace in together? No way. Murray, get him out somewhere to kick start his career, as I feel his five year contract has blunted his desire. GFZ, I love your footballing philosophy, but I also agree that you play your best 11, tonight you did not, please see the error here. Back to being a supporter, because that's what we do lutondown

11:55pm Tue 29 Jan 13

lutondown says...

KeithMercer wrote:
Vet_kills_puppy wrote:
Cut and pasted from another thread for GFZ.
I hope you read this tomorrow morning.
Posted without animosity but with a healthy dose of reality.
"I want to read on the Official Site tomorrow that GFZ realises that he has now fcuked up twice by making wholesale changes to a winning side etc.
The psychology of 2nd place would have far out-weighed the psychology of the supposed need for squad rotation.
Had we been 2nd those in the wings would have fought that much harder or had to fight that much harder for a run-out. When they came on as a sub it would have been their chance to make sure their name HAD to be first on the teamsheet.
And as for the psychology of saying to your in-form front two 'chomping at the bit' strikers "I'm starting with you both on the bench tonight"... Pathetic, 4th or not."
There is only one thing pathetic VKP and that is you and your whining !
Hope you apply for the next championship managers job that becomes available , you obviously have all the answers and a wealth of experience behind you.
I do suppose you are entitled to your opinion. Just wish it wasnt so hysterical .
I'd say anyone with an avi like his, must be slightly deranged. Obviously not an animal lover, like Rasputin the mad monk. He killed puppy's too.
[quote][p][bold]KeithMercer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Vet_kills_puppy[/bold] wrote: Cut and pasted from another thread for GFZ. I hope you read this tomorrow morning. Posted without animosity but with a healthy dose of reality. "I want to read on the Official Site tomorrow that GFZ realises that he has now fcuked up twice by making wholesale changes to a winning side etc. The psychology of 2nd place would have far out-weighed the psychology of the supposed need for squad rotation. Had we been 2nd those in the wings would have fought that much harder or had to fight that much harder for a run-out. When they came on as a sub it would have been their chance to make sure their name HAD to be first on the teamsheet. And as for the psychology of saying to your in-form front two 'chomping at the bit' strikers "I'm starting with you both on the bench tonight"... Pathetic, 4th or not."[/p][/quote]There is only one thing pathetic VKP and that is you and your whining ! Hope you apply for the next championship managers job that becomes available , you obviously have all the answers and a wealth of experience behind you. I do suppose you are entitled to your opinion. Just wish it wasnt so hysterical .[/p][/quote]I'd say anyone with an avi like his, must be slightly deranged. Obviously not an animal lover, like Rasputin the mad monk. He killed puppy's too. lutondown

11:56pm Tue 29 Jan 13

Vet_kills_puppy says...

Mercer and Holtonian.
Debate, but please don't patronise. And as for your back-patting smugness? Oh dear.
I for one sincerely hope we don't 'rotate' our way into the play-offs, or a 'Wolves 7th'.
But then again if we did you'd change tack and talk about our unstoppable assault on this Division next season wouldn't you?
Mercer and Holtonian. Debate, but please don't patronise. And as for your back-patting smugness? Oh dear. I for one sincerely hope we don't 'rotate' our way into the play-offs, or a 'Wolves 7th'. But then again if we did you'd change tack and talk about our unstoppable assault on this Division next season wouldn't you? Vet_kills_puppy

11:57pm Tue 29 Jan 13

JoeWFC_12 says...

Lutondown so nice of you to join us! Mate you have summed it up nicely hear fella! Totally agree with everything you say matey! Wonder if Fergie will drop an in form RVP for a 'league' game tomorrow then!
Lutondown so nice of you to join us! Mate you have summed it up nicely hear fella! Totally agree with everything you say matey! Wonder if Fergie will drop an in form RVP for a 'league' game tomorrow then! JoeWFC_12

12:02am Wed 30 Jan 13

lutondown says...

Vet_kills_puppy wrote:
Mercer and Holtonian.
Debate, but please don't patronise. And as for your back-patting smugness? Oh dear.
I for one sincerely hope we don't 'rotate' our way into the play-offs, or a 'Wolves 7th'.
But then again if we did you'd change tack and talk about our unstoppable assault on this Division next season wouldn't you?
But isn't it infinitely better than looking nervously down the table and working out how many points we need for safety? Look I went, and am as low as I was high Saturday, particularly annoyed I went to this dump of a ground twice with nil returns, but I've seen better things in last month than I've seen for many a year so will accept this and move on.
[quote][p][bold]Vet_kills_puppy[/bold] wrote: Mercer and Holtonian. Debate, but please don't patronise. And as for your back-patting smugness? Oh dear. I for one sincerely hope we don't 'rotate' our way into the play-offs, or a 'Wolves 7th'. But then again if we did you'd change tack and talk about our unstoppable assault on this Division next season wouldn't you?[/p][/quote]But isn't it infinitely better than looking nervously down the table and working out how many points we need for safety? Look I went, and am as low as I was high Saturday, particularly annoyed I went to this dump of a ground twice with nil returns, but I've seen better things in last month than I've seen for many a year so will accept this and move on. lutondown

12:03am Wed 30 Jan 13

holtonian says...

Vet_kills_puppy wrote:
Mercer and Holtonian.
Debate, but please don't patronise. And as for your back-patting smugness? Oh dear.
I for one sincerely hope we don't 'rotate' our way into the play-offs, or a 'Wolves 7th'.
But then again if we did you'd change tack and talk about our unstoppable assault on this Division next season wouldn't you?
At the start of the season it would be my wildest dream that we would in this position we are in today.I can only give praise to the manager and his team owners also for at long last giving us a side worthy of the town.
[quote][p][bold]Vet_kills_puppy[/bold] wrote: Mercer and Holtonian. Debate, but please don't patronise. And as for your back-patting smugness? Oh dear. I for one sincerely hope we don't 'rotate' our way into the play-offs, or a 'Wolves 7th'. But then again if we did you'd change tack and talk about our unstoppable assault on this Division next season wouldn't you?[/p][/quote]At the start of the season it would be my wildest dream that we would in this position we are in today.I can only give praise to the manager and his team owners also for at long last giving us a side worthy of the town. holtonian

12:08am Wed 30 Jan 13

Hornet Cornet says...

Bristol City are rubbish. we would have tonked them if GZ hadnt gone all nutty.
Bristol City are rubbish. we would have tonked them if GZ hadnt gone all nutty. Hornet Cornet

12:19am Wed 30 Jan 13

Vet_kills_puppy says...

holtonian wrote:
Vet_kills_puppy wrote:
Mercer and Holtonian.
Debate, but please don't patronise. And as for your back-patting smugness? Oh dear.
I for one sincerely hope we don't 'rotate' our way into the play-offs, or a 'Wolves 7th'.
But then again if we did you'd change tack and talk about our unstoppable assault on this Division next season wouldn't you?
At the start of the season it would be my wildest dream that we would in this position we are in today.I can only give praise to the manager and his team owners also for at long last giving us a side worthy of the town.
Give praise when and where it's due. Otherwise you sound like a sycophant. Well there's a thing.
And don't mistake a well-justified whinge for a whine.
[quote][p][bold]holtonian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Vet_kills_puppy[/bold] wrote: Mercer and Holtonian. Debate, but please don't patronise. And as for your back-patting smugness? Oh dear. I for one sincerely hope we don't 'rotate' our way into the play-offs, or a 'Wolves 7th'. But then again if we did you'd change tack and talk about our unstoppable assault on this Division next season wouldn't you?[/p][/quote]At the start of the season it would be my wildest dream that we would in this position we are in today.I can only give praise to the manager and his team owners also for at long last giving us a side worthy of the town.[/p][/quote]Give praise when and where it's due. Otherwise you sound like a sycophant. Well there's a thing. And don't mistake a well-justified whinge for a whine. Vet_kills_puppy

12:30am Wed 30 Jan 13

londomollari says...

Had my rant under the match report, won't repeat here. But LD hit the nail on the head. As I said before, when I heard the team, I told the wife we would lose by two goals. Never change a winning team---and certainly not six changes.
As for Zola's comment 'we didn't expect them sitting back so much and not pushing forward' ----To use Basil Fawlty phrasing, what did he expect at Bristol? waves of Bristol players sweeping majestically towards the Watford goal in Barcelona style passing movements?
Bristol, the leakiest defense in the league facing the team scoring goals at will? My next door neighbours gerbil expected Bristol to sit back, stop Watford scoring, and rely on a breakaway. They probably couldn't believe their luck when they saw the Watford team sheet.
Had my rant under the match report, won't repeat here. But LD hit the nail on the head. As I said before, when I heard the team, I told the wife we would lose by two goals. Never change a winning team---and certainly not six changes. As for Zola's comment 'we didn't expect them sitting back so much and not pushing forward' ----To use Basil Fawlty phrasing, what did he expect at Bristol? waves of Bristol players sweeping majestically towards the Watford goal in Barcelona style passing movements? Bristol, the leakiest defense in the league facing the team scoring goals at will? My next door neighbours gerbil expected Bristol to sit back, stop Watford scoring, and rely on a breakaway. They probably couldn't believe their luck when they saw the Watford team sheet. londomollari

12:31am Wed 30 Jan 13

holtonian says...

Vet_kills_puppy wrote:
holtonian wrote:
Vet_kills_puppy wrote:
Mercer and Holtonian.
Debate, but please don't patronise. And as for your back-patting smugness? Oh dear.
I for one sincerely hope we don't 'rotate' our way into the play-offs, or a 'Wolves 7th'.
But then again if we did you'd change tack and talk about our unstoppable assault on this Division next season wouldn't you?
At the start of the season it would be my wildest dream that we would in this position we are in today.I can only give praise to the manager and his team owners also for at long last giving us a side worthy of the town.
Give praise when and where it's due. Otherwise you sound like a sycophant. Well there's a thing.
And don't mistake a well-justified whinge for a whine.
I give praise as i see it. I know when we have a good thing going. Clearly your not impressed with the type of soccer being shown by us.
[quote][p][bold]Vet_kills_puppy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]holtonian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Vet_kills_puppy[/bold] wrote: Mercer and Holtonian. Debate, but please don't patronise. And as for your back-patting smugness? Oh dear. I for one sincerely hope we don't 'rotate' our way into the play-offs, or a 'Wolves 7th'. But then again if we did you'd change tack and talk about our unstoppable assault on this Division next season wouldn't you?[/p][/quote]At the start of the season it would be my wildest dream that we would in this position we are in today.I can only give praise to the manager and his team owners also for at long last giving us a side worthy of the town.[/p][/quote]Give praise when and where it's due. Otherwise you sound like a sycophant. Well there's a thing. And don't mistake a well-justified whinge for a whine.[/p][/quote]I give praise as i see it. I know when we have a good thing going. Clearly your not impressed with the type of soccer being shown by us. holtonian

12:32am Wed 30 Jan 13

buckler says...

Zola should go home and sit on the naughty stair for the amount of time we wasted tonight! 10 hours and add on the wasted journey 17 hours. Screwed up big time..
Zola should go home and sit on the naughty stair for the amount of time we wasted tonight! 10 hours and add on the wasted journey 17 hours. Screwed up big time.. buckler

12:34am Wed 30 Jan 13

The BestTrip2011 says...

Six changes were too many. Chalobah is not an impact player so bringing him on with 10 minutes left was pointless. Eusless is too slow and leaves gaping spaces, Hogg off form tonight, Nozzy out of position, Pudil poor, Geijo first touch and movement poor. On the plus side the burgers and pies were pretty good!
Six changes were too many. Chalobah is not an impact player so bringing him on with 10 minutes left was pointless. Eusless is too slow and leaves gaping spaces, Hogg off form tonight, Nozzy out of position, Pudil poor, Geijo first touch and movement poor. On the plus side the burgers and pies were pretty good! The BestTrip2011

12:40am Wed 30 Jan 13

Vet_kills_puppy says...

holtonian wrote:
Vet_kills_puppy wrote:
holtonian wrote:
Vet_kills_puppy wrote:
Mercer and Holtonian.
Debate, but please don't patronise. And as for your back-patting smugness? Oh dear.
I for one sincerely hope we don't 'rotate' our way into the play-offs, or a 'Wolves 7th'.
But then again if we did you'd change tack and talk about our unstoppable assault on this Division next season wouldn't you?
At the start of the season it would be my wildest dream that we would in this position we are in today.I can only give praise to the manager and his team owners also for at long last giving us a side worthy of the town.
Give praise when and where it's due. Otherwise you sound like a sycophant. Well there's a thing.
And don't mistake a well-justified whinge for a whine.
I give praise as i see it. I know when we have a good thing going. Clearly your not impressed with the type of soccer being shown by us.
Soccer. Oh dear.
[quote][p][bold]holtonian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Vet_kills_puppy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]holtonian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Vet_kills_puppy[/bold] wrote: Mercer and Holtonian. Debate, but please don't patronise. And as for your back-patting smugness? Oh dear. I for one sincerely hope we don't 'rotate' our way into the play-offs, or a 'Wolves 7th'. But then again if we did you'd change tack and talk about our unstoppable assault on this Division next season wouldn't you?[/p][/quote]At the start of the season it would be my wildest dream that we would in this position we are in today.I can only give praise to the manager and his team owners also for at long last giving us a side worthy of the town.[/p][/quote]Give praise when and where it's due. Otherwise you sound like a sycophant. Well there's a thing. And don't mistake a well-justified whinge for a whine.[/p][/quote]I give praise as i see it. I know when we have a good thing going. Clearly your not impressed with the type of soccer being shown by us.[/p][/quote]Soccer. Oh dear. Vet_kills_puppy

12:44am Wed 30 Jan 13

Sahorn says...

Just got back from my second wet, bedraggled and miserable trip to Bristol.

THE GOOD NEWS -

1. Chelski no longer considering Zola as their manager after he makes naive wholesale changes in name of squad rotation and says will repeat it, (and, in my opinion, making no changes at half time when it clearly wasn't working).

2. The squad hopefully embarrassed by performance and kick a** for rest of season.

Couldn't believe making SIX changes, it got the team all bent out of shape, showed no respect to BC who have not kept a clean sheet all season and have shipped 56 goals. Too many pieces in the reshaped jigsaw didn't quite fit, with the frustrating result things didn't quite come off, and a miss is as good as a mile.
3 changes yes, but SIX, and to say will do it again to keep squad happy - Heyho didn't look happy when subbed - what about keeping Pozzos (and fans) happy with a win.

BC were there for the taking, a poor side, but we blew it.

Lessons should be learnt, and I hope the Italian wizard does reflect and learn...
Just got back from my second wet, bedraggled and miserable trip to Bristol. THE GOOD NEWS - 1. Chelski no longer considering Zola as their manager after he makes naive wholesale changes in name of squad rotation and says will repeat it, (and, in my opinion, making no changes at half time when it clearly wasn't working). 2. The squad hopefully embarrassed by performance and kick a** for rest of season. Couldn't believe making SIX changes, it got the team all bent out of shape, showed no respect to BC who have not kept a clean sheet all season and have shipped 56 goals. Too many pieces in the reshaped jigsaw didn't quite fit, with the frustrating result things didn't quite come off, and a miss is as good as a mile. 3 changes yes, but SIX, and to say will do it again to keep squad happy - Heyho didn't look happy when subbed - what about keeping Pozzos (and fans) happy with a win. BC were there for the taking, a poor side, but we blew it. Lessons should be learnt, and I hope the Italian wizard does reflect and learn... Sahorn

12:46am Wed 30 Jan 13

londomollari says...

buckler wrote:
Zola should go home and sit on the naughty stair for the amount of time we wasted tonight! 10 hours and add on the wasted journey 17 hours. Screwed up big time..
It's the supporters who travelled I feel sorry for---I would have felt cheated.
[quote][p][bold]buckler[/bold] wrote: Zola should go home and sit on the naughty stair for the amount of time we wasted tonight! 10 hours and add on the wasted journey 17 hours. Screwed up big time..[/p][/quote]It's the supporters who travelled I feel sorry for---I would have felt cheated. londomollari

1:09am Wed 30 Jan 13

3Lions4Ever says...

The fact is, squad rotation is a necessity in today's game and I think tonight GZ was testing how much he could rotate this squad. Now he knows - we'll continue to see him rotate but we'll never see him swap out six again. Look, this side has only looked unbeatable for seven games. Seven. Better to know just how unbeatable now than when April arrives and the white knuckle ride of Burnley, Hull, Cardiff, Millwall and Leicester comes calling. How many to swap out when hamstrings are tweaking and knees are aching? Who? When? GZ needs to know these answers by then and tonight got him one step nearer knowing. Who knows, if he'd swapped out only 5 we might have drawn, if only 4 perhaps we'd have won. Doesn't matter. We're 4th, still in with a shake at automatic and our manager is one step closer to knowing his squad inside out. So be disappointed. Be down for a bit. But don't ignore progress. We still have a great chance of reaching the promised land. A very great chance. Come on You Golden Boys!
The fact is, squad rotation is a necessity in today's game and I think tonight GZ was testing how much he could rotate this squad. Now he knows - we'll continue to see him rotate but we'll never see him swap out six again. Look, this side has only looked unbeatable for seven games. Seven. Better to know just how unbeatable now than when April arrives and the white knuckle ride of Burnley, Hull, Cardiff, Millwall and Leicester comes calling. How many to swap out when hamstrings are tweaking and knees are aching? Who? When? GZ needs to know these answers by then and tonight got him one step nearer knowing. Who knows, if he'd swapped out only 5 we might have drawn, if only 4 perhaps we'd have won. Doesn't matter. We're 4th, still in with a shake at automatic and our manager is one step closer to knowing his squad inside out. So be disappointed. Be down for a bit. But don't ignore progress. We still have a great chance of reaching the promised land. A very great chance. Come on You Golden Boys! 3Lions4Ever

1:21am Wed 30 Jan 13

Bush Hornet says...

Hornet Cornet wrote:
Not good enough GZ. you shouldve put out our strongest team with the aim of destroying BCFC. you also need to learn from this my little friend.
you have a point, poet cornet, but I think you should not refer to Zola as little. He is a footballing giant who is learning how to manage a squad that is bigger than most in this division and bursting with talent.

I think you should write a poem about Lutondown and the trauma he went through being banned from the wobweb
[quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: Not good enough GZ. you shouldve put out our strongest team with the aim of destroying BCFC. you also need to learn from this my little friend.[/p][/quote]you have a point, poet cornet, but I think you should not refer to Zola as little. He is a footballing giant who is learning how to manage a squad that is bigger than most in this division and bursting with talent. I think you should write a poem about Lutondown and the trauma he went through being banned from the wobweb Bush Hornet

1:23am Wed 30 Jan 13

Bush Hornet says...

Henry VIII wrote:
Personally I was not suprised by this. I also think that there were too many changes (just my opinion), but lets be fair, managers make mistakes but the important part is learning from them. I think what has irked many fans is that we have been in such a fine run of form that 2nd place almost seemed a formality - hence my main point, this is a fantastic division where the lowly can (and do) beat the mighty. It may not be easy to still accept, but we are with the mighty teams this time around. The beauty of the Championship is that results like this happen so often. Am I dissapointed not to be 2nd, obviously, but in the bigger picture we are still in a very good place with a long way to go. Perhaps GFZ just didn't want the Manager of the month award! I am sure we will get a taste of second spot within the coming weeks....the best things in life are worth waiting for :)
good post and remarkably balanced, you crazy wife-killing monarch
[quote][p][bold]Henry VIII[/bold] wrote: Personally I was not suprised by this. I also think that there were too many changes (just my opinion), but lets be fair, managers make mistakes but the important part is learning from them. I think what has irked many fans is that we have been in such a fine run of form that 2nd place almost seemed a formality - hence my main point, this is a fantastic division where the lowly can (and do) beat the mighty. It may not be easy to still accept, but we are with the mighty teams this time around. The beauty of the Championship is that results like this happen so often. Am I dissapointed not to be 2nd, obviously, but in the bigger picture we are still in a very good place with a long way to go. Perhaps GFZ just didn't want the Manager of the month award! I am sure we will get a taste of second spot within the coming weeks....the best things in life are worth waiting for :)[/p][/quote]good post and remarkably balanced, you crazy wife-killing monarch Bush Hornet

1:27am Wed 30 Jan 13

Bush Hornet says...

Sahorn wrote:
Just got back from my second wet, bedraggled and miserable trip to Bristol.

THE GOOD NEWS -

1. Chelski no longer considering Zola as their manager after he makes naive wholesale changes in name of squad rotation and says will repeat it, (and, in my opinion, making no changes at half time when it clearly wasn't working).

2. The squad hopefully embarrassed by performance and kick a** for rest of season.

Couldn't believe making SIX changes, it got the team all bent out of shape, showed no respect to BC who have not kept a clean sheet all season and have shipped 56 goals. Too many pieces in the reshaped jigsaw didn't quite fit, with the frustrating result things didn't quite come off, and a miss is as good as a mile.
3 changes yes, but SIX, and to say will do it again to keep squad happy - Heyho didn't look happy when subbed - what about keeping Pozzos (and fans) happy with a win.

BC were there for the taking, a poor side, but we blew it.

Lessons should be learnt, and I hope the Italian wizard does reflect and learn...
haha I thought that about Chelski as well. Abramovic take note: this man needs to be in a forgiving environment. Stick with sacking and humiliating experienced managers, and leave Gianfranco with us (you jerk).
[quote][p][bold]Sahorn[/bold] wrote: Just got back from my second wet, bedraggled and miserable trip to Bristol. THE GOOD NEWS - 1. Chelski no longer considering Zola as their manager after he makes naive wholesale changes in name of squad rotation and says will repeat it, (and, in my opinion, making no changes at half time when it clearly wasn't working). 2. The squad hopefully embarrassed by performance and kick a** for rest of season. Couldn't believe making SIX changes, it got the team all bent out of shape, showed no respect to BC who have not kept a clean sheet all season and have shipped 56 goals. Too many pieces in the reshaped jigsaw didn't quite fit, with the frustrating result things didn't quite come off, and a miss is as good as a mile. 3 changes yes, but SIX, and to say will do it again to keep squad happy - Heyho didn't look happy when subbed - what about keeping Pozzos (and fans) happy with a win. BC were there for the taking, a poor side, but we blew it. Lessons should be learnt, and I hope the Italian wizard does reflect and learn...[/p][/quote]haha I thought that about Chelski as well. Abramovic take note: this man needs to be in a forgiving environment. Stick with sacking and humiliating experienced managers, and leave Gianfranco with us (you jerk). Bush Hornet

1:32am Wed 30 Jan 13

Bush Hornet says...

lutondown wrote:
I'm very happy when it goes right so don't want to be fickle when we have a set back, but tonight on hearing the selection, my self and all around predicted another Charlton. Sadly we were right.
Over the previous three games we conceded one goal scoring 9, why change the defence? Hogg and Eustace in together? No way. Murray, get him out somewhere to kick start his career, as I feel his five year contract has blunted his desire.
GFZ, I love your footballing philosophy, but I also agree that you play your best 11, tonight you did not, please see the error here.
Back to being a supporter, because that's what we do
Lutondown is back. Glad they saw the error of their ways. Did Roy Stockdill pull some strings with his Murdoch wannabe mates?
[quote][p][bold]lutondown[/bold] wrote: I'm very happy when it goes right so don't want to be fickle when we have a set back, but tonight on hearing the selection, my self and all around predicted another Charlton. Sadly we were right. Over the previous three games we conceded one goal scoring 9, why change the defence? Hogg and Eustace in together? No way. Murray, get him out somewhere to kick start his career, as I feel his five year contract has blunted his desire. GFZ, I love your footballing philosophy, but I also agree that you play your best 11, tonight you did not, please see the error here. Back to being a supporter, because that's what we do[/p][/quote]Lutondown is back. Glad they saw the error of their ways. Did Roy Stockdill pull some strings with his Murdoch wannabe mates? Bush Hornet

1:50am Wed 30 Jan 13

Hampshire hornet says...

Hogg Eustace Murray so last Year.. Does not suit the way we play... You cannot play all 3... Murray.. Oh dear.. Better second half before being subbed... You were not interested in the 1st.....
Bristol City .. abysmal ground, ran out of food before kick off..our support ...large number but very quiet... Sign was when they kicked off the match most in front of us sat down...'sigh'
Great stewards though...got my boy in free
Hogg Eustace Murray so last Year.. Does not suit the way we play... You cannot play all 3... Murray.. Oh dear.. Better second half before being subbed... You were not interested in the 1st..... Bristol City .. abysmal ground, ran out of food before kick off..our support ...large number but very quiet... Sign was when they kicked off the match most in front of us sat down...'sigh' Great stewards though...got my boy in free Hampshire hornet

2:33am Wed 30 Jan 13

miked2006 says...

Sahorn wrote:
Just got back from my second wet, bedraggled and miserable trip to Bristol.

THE GOOD NEWS -

1. Chelski no longer considering Zola as their manager after he makes naive wholesale changes in name of squad rotation and says will repeat it, (and, in my opinion, making no changes at half time when it clearly wasn't working).

2. The squad hopefully embarrassed by performance and kick a** for rest of season.

Couldn't believe making SIX changes, it got the team all bent out of shape, showed no respect to BC who have not kept a clean sheet all season and have shipped 56 goals. Too many pieces in the reshaped jigsaw didn't quite fit, with the frustrating result things didn't quite come off, and a miss is as good as a mile.
3 changes yes, but SIX, and to say will do it again to keep squad happy - Heyho didn't look happy when subbed - what about keeping Pozzos (and fans) happy with a win.

BC were there for the taking, a poor side, but we blew it.

Lessons should be learnt, and I hope the Italian wizard does reflect and learn...
Their current manager is Benitez, who is probably the most famous manager for (unnecessary) squad rotation...
[quote][p][bold]Sahorn[/bold] wrote: Just got back from my second wet, bedraggled and miserable trip to Bristol. THE GOOD NEWS - 1. Chelski no longer considering Zola as their manager after he makes naive wholesale changes in name of squad rotation and says will repeat it, (and, in my opinion, making no changes at half time when it clearly wasn't working). 2. The squad hopefully embarrassed by performance and kick a** for rest of season. Couldn't believe making SIX changes, it got the team all bent out of shape, showed no respect to BC who have not kept a clean sheet all season and have shipped 56 goals. Too many pieces in the reshaped jigsaw didn't quite fit, with the frustrating result things didn't quite come off, and a miss is as good as a mile. 3 changes yes, but SIX, and to say will do it again to keep squad happy - Heyho didn't look happy when subbed - what about keeping Pozzos (and fans) happy with a win. BC were there for the taking, a poor side, but we blew it. Lessons should be learnt, and I hope the Italian wizard does reflect and learn...[/p][/quote]Their current manager is Benitez, who is probably the most famous manager for (unnecessary) squad rotation... miked2006

3:29am Wed 30 Jan 13

StuWFC says...

Bristol was always going to be a hard game, changes or not, can never tell with a club in the "Honeymoon period".

I'm not defending Zola's decisions though we should of definitely given them more respect than we did,and the mass changes didn't help that.

The prematch stats may have put us massive favorites, but can never be too careful of a fighting club with a new manager.

But heyho theirs plenty of games left and we still have plenty of points to pick up, COYH.
Bristol was always going to be a hard game, changes or not, can never tell with a club in the "Honeymoon period". I'm not defending Zola's decisions though we should of definitely given them more respect than we did,and the mass changes didn't help that. The prematch stats may have put us massive favorites, but can never be too careful of a fighting club with a new manager. But heyho theirs plenty of games left and we still have plenty of points to pick up, COYH. StuWFC

7:01am Wed 30 Jan 13

lutondown says...

Hampshire hornet wrote:
Hogg Eustace Murray so last Year.. Does not suit the way we play... You cannot play all 3... Murray.. Oh dear.. Better second half before being subbed... You were not interested in the 1st.....
Bristol City .. abysmal ground, ran out of food before kick off..our support ...large number but very quiet... Sign was when they kicked off the match most in front of us sat down...'sigh'
Great stewards though...got my boy in free
Agree, Those three players poor. why oh why do you make wholesale changes like that? Why drop Doyley from squad? Lots of whys, it can all be put right by Zola saying I got it wrong but that's not what he's saying.
I'm not happy with that, two journeys west, and a coach saying no regrets. Not good.
and those in press saying O'Driscoll tactics beat us, is laughable, it was Zolas gift to them that beat us.
Now we have to beat Bolton
[quote][p][bold]Hampshire hornet[/bold] wrote: Hogg Eustace Murray so last Year.. Does not suit the way we play... You cannot play all 3... Murray.. Oh dear.. Better second half before being subbed... You were not interested in the 1st..... Bristol City .. abysmal ground, ran out of food before kick off..our support ...large number but very quiet... Sign was when they kicked off the match most in front of us sat down...'sigh' Great stewards though...got my boy in free[/p][/quote]Agree, Those three players poor. why oh why do you make wholesale changes like that? Why drop Doyley from squad? Lots of whys, it can all be put right by Zola saying I got it wrong but that's not what he's saying. I'm not happy with that, two journeys west, and a coach saying no regrets. Not good. and those in press saying O'Driscoll tactics beat us, is laughable, it was Zolas gift to them that beat us. Now we have to beat Bolton lutondown

7:09am Wed 30 Jan 13

ChunkeyMonkey says...

Everyone on a learning curve. Disappointing that the players coming in did not take a chance to do well and get a result.
Personally if we have to lose a game, I'd rather it be against the bottom side than one of the top ten sides in this league.
Onwards and upwards!
Everyone on a learning curve. Disappointing that the players coming in did not take a chance to do well and get a result. Personally if we have to lose a game, I'd rather it be against the bottom side than one of the top ten sides in this league. Onwards and upwards! ChunkeyMonkey

7:10am Wed 30 Jan 13

Mohandas says...

Hornet Cornet wrote:
Not good enough GZ. you shouldve put out our strongest team with the aim of destroying BCFC. you also need to learn from this my little friend.
Not a fan of unstable rotations with the stakes so high as the loss knocks confidence of everyone involved. Play your strongest against lowly opposition and bag the points as it builds confidence and scares the front runners because the top dogs are not going to give it to you.
[quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: Not good enough GZ. you shouldve put out our strongest team with the aim of destroying BCFC. you also need to learn from this my little friend.[/p][/quote]Not a fan of unstable rotations with the stakes so high as the loss knocks confidence of everyone involved. Play your strongest against lowly opposition and bag the points as it builds confidence and scares the front runners because the top dogs are not going to give it to you. Mohandas

7:24am Wed 30 Jan 13

West Country Hornet says...

DouglasRinaldi the better Brazilian wrote:
holtonian wrote:
Cannot give our manager nothing but praise. It is about keeping your squad happy this gives true unity in good teams. In a few months sides are now just defending against us as City did tonight.. Give City credit. We may have been stuck in the dungeons if Gianfranco and our great owners had not taken us over. Nice job.
I agree that overall Zola and the Pozzos have done an excellent job, but it doesn't make them exempt from criticism. Tonight, Zola made an error in my opinion. He disrupted the rhythm of our in form team and I believe 6 changes was too many. Keeping the squad happy is fine, but wholesale changes to a team on great form seems illogical.
BIG mistake last night GZ - learn from this please.

Making wholesale changes and dropping a record breaking strike force is lunacy.

We had an opportunity to make a real statement of intent top our promotion rivals (make no mistake, promotion is the aim here) and go second. Instead we drop 3 points against the bottom club.

The City team talk wrote itself by showing such a lack of respect.

Sort it out.
[quote][p][bold]DouglasRinaldi the better Brazilian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]holtonian[/bold] wrote: Cannot give our manager nothing but praise. It is about keeping your squad happy this gives true unity in good teams. In a few months sides are now just defending against us as City did tonight.. Give City credit. We may have been stuck in the dungeons if Gianfranco and our great owners had not taken us over. Nice job.[/p][/quote]I agree that overall Zola and the Pozzos have done an excellent job, but it doesn't make them exempt from criticism. Tonight, Zola made an error in my opinion. He disrupted the rhythm of our in form team and I believe 6 changes was too many. Keeping the squad happy is fine, but wholesale changes to a team on great form seems illogical.[/p][/quote]BIG mistake last night GZ - learn from this please. Making wholesale changes and dropping a record breaking strike force is lunacy. We had an opportunity to make a real statement of intent top our promotion rivals (make no mistake, promotion is the aim here) and go second. Instead we drop 3 points against the bottom club. The City team talk wrote itself by showing such a lack of respect. Sort it out. West Country Hornet

7:38am Wed 30 Jan 13

Holly68 says...

I travelled and paid wanting watch our strongest 11, it's like going to a concert to see the main band and just the support act turn up !

6 points v Charlton and Bristol may cost us automatic, I fear this could mean another season in championship next season (minus Vydra, Pudil, Abdi, Ekstrand & co who will seek Prem football)

Murray, Hogg and Eustace not good enough, Murray what has happened, looks Sunday league player now !?!?
I travelled and paid wanting watch our strongest 11, it's like going to a concert to see the main band and just the support act turn up ! 6 points v Charlton and Bristol may cost us automatic, I fear this could mean another season in championship next season (minus Vydra, Pudil, Abdi, Ekstrand & co who will seek Prem football) Murray, Hogg and Eustace not good enough, Murray what has happened, looks Sunday league player now !?!? Holly68

7:39am Wed 30 Jan 13

Watfordwes says...

My issues last night were two fold. 6 changes clearly too much. (I'm not against starting ff and geijo we scored 3 v Charlton and geijo was class that day)

More worryingly our record at home Egan where we have to take the initiative is cleary worse than away where home teams feel obliged to attack us. Last night will have reminded all astute managers that if they shut up shop even at home we struggle to break them down. A with last night everyone behind ball then a lucky goal or set piece is the best way to get a point our even 3 v Watford home or away :-(
My issues last night were two fold. 6 changes clearly too much. (I'm not against starting ff and geijo we scored 3 v Charlton and geijo was class that day) More worryingly our record at home Egan where we have to take the initiative is cleary worse than away where home teams feel obliged to attack us. Last night will have reminded all astute managers that if they shut up shop even at home we struggle to break them down. A with last night everyone behind ball then a lucky goal or set piece is the best way to get a point our even 3 v Watford home or away :-( Watfordwes

7:50am Wed 30 Jan 13

mattymashup says...

Hmm...many people on here unhappy after a bad day at the office.
Here's my take:
Our support constantly have been saying 'look how great our bench is".
We give said players a game.
They don't play well enough.
We lose.
Zola thought bristol would play more like a home team should.
But he got it wrong.
I think we should move on.

What I am worried about is that Zola doesn't yet have a plan b, a plan for when the game isnt going our way.
As proved against hull city.

We will have to see what the Bolton game holds. I'm going and am looking forward to a big win as I always do this season.
Which I think shows how far we have come really.

Last point. We played city at the wrong time. Their defence has been patched up and they are on a revival. Remember millwall lost also last night to Barnsley, another result i didn't see coming.

So nice to be looking up rather than down though isn't it?!

Have faith people, and give Zola the time he needs.
Hmm...many people on here unhappy after a bad day at the office. Here's my take: Our support constantly have been saying 'look how great our bench is". We give said players a game. They don't play well enough. We lose. Zola thought bristol would play more like a home team should. But he got it wrong. I think we should move on. What I am worried about is that Zola doesn't yet have a plan b, a plan for when the game isnt going our way. As proved against hull city. We will have to see what the Bolton game holds. I'm going and am looking forward to a big win as I always do this season. Which I think shows how far we have come really. Last point. We played city at the wrong time. Their defence has been patched up and they are on a revival. Remember millwall lost also last night to Barnsley, another result i didn't see coming. So nice to be looking up rather than down though isn't it?! Have faith people, and give Zola the time he needs. mattymashup

7:58am Wed 30 Jan 13

EstebanSemtex says...

Bristol City were the proverbial banana skin. New manager that has galvanised a squad into sopme solid performances, looking to close the gap and retain championship status. GFZ was right to rest players, due to our crowded schedule over the next week or so but City wasn't the game to do it in.

That said, resting players against sides like Bolton and Palace is risky as they also have something to play for. All in all, it is a disappointing result against a team that we should be beating.

What irks me more than the result is the frantic second guessing of GFZ, the man who has got Watford (yes, Watford) playing fantastic passing football this season and is engineering one of the most exciting seasons we've had in years. Yet the doom mongers and nay-sayers are back again, spouting their pointless 'if it ain't broke...' statements with the benefit of 20/20 hindsight.

There will always be mad results in the Championship, it's that sort of league, the faith GFZ has in his squad should be shared by every person posting on this site. It's a great group of players who should be backed to step in and play at a high level. I'm confident that in the long run, this result will be regarded as an aberration, nothing more. GFZ will make rotations again and if and when we win when he does, he will be hailed as a 'little genius' by the selfsame detractors posting above.

*drops mic*
Bristol City were the proverbial banana skin. New manager that has galvanised a squad into sopme solid performances, looking to close the gap and retain championship status. GFZ was right to rest players, due to our crowded schedule over the next week or so but City wasn't the game to do it in. That said, resting players against sides like Bolton and Palace is risky as they also have something to play for. All in all, it is a disappointing result against a team that we should be beating. What irks me more than the result is the frantic second guessing of GFZ, the man who has got Watford (yes, Watford) playing fantastic passing football this season and is engineering one of the most exciting seasons we've had in years. Yet the doom mongers and nay-sayers are back again, spouting their pointless 'if it ain't broke...' statements with the benefit of 20/20 hindsight. There will always be mad results in the Championship, it's that sort of league, the faith GFZ has in his squad should be shared by every person posting on this site. It's a great group of players who should be backed to step in and play at a high level. I'm confident that in the long run, this result will be regarded as an aberration, nothing more. GFZ will make rotations again and if and when we win when he does, he will be hailed as a 'little genius' by the selfsame detractors posting above. *drops mic* EstebanSemtex

8:04am Wed 30 Jan 13

Hampshire hornet says...

EstebanSemtex wrote:
Bristol City were the proverbial banana skin. New manager that has galvanised a squad into sopme solid performances, looking to close the gap and retain championship status. GFZ was right to rest players, due to our crowded schedule over the next week or so but City wasn't the game to do it in.

That said, resting players against sides like Bolton and Palace is risky as they also have something to play for. All in all, it is a disappointing result against a team that we should be beating.

What irks me more than the result is the frantic second guessing of GFZ, the man who has got Watford (yes, Watford) playing fantastic passing football this season and is engineering one of the most exciting seasons we've had in years. Yet the doom mongers and nay-sayers are back again, spouting their pointless 'if it ain't broke...' statements with the benefit of 20/20 hindsight.

There will always be mad results in the Championship, it's that sort of league, the faith GFZ has in his squad should be shared by every person posting on this site. It's a great group of players who should be backed to step in and play at a high level. I'm confident that in the long run, this result will be regarded as an aberration, nothing more. GFZ will make rotations again and if and when we win when he does, he will be hailed as a 'little genius' by the selfsame detractors posting above.

*drops mic*
Didn't need hindsight.. As soon as team announced the groan amongst the support was loud..
Trouble is the exam out there were not capable of playing the excellent football we have seen this year, FF was very good & Hey Ho were given no serviice, we lost the game in Midfield.
[quote][p][bold]EstebanSemtex[/bold] wrote: Bristol City were the proverbial banana skin. New manager that has galvanised a squad into sopme solid performances, looking to close the gap and retain championship status. GFZ was right to rest players, due to our crowded schedule over the next week or so but City wasn't the game to do it in. That said, resting players against sides like Bolton and Palace is risky as they also have something to play for. All in all, it is a disappointing result against a team that we should be beating. What irks me more than the result is the frantic second guessing of GFZ, the man who has got Watford (yes, Watford) playing fantastic passing football this season and is engineering one of the most exciting seasons we've had in years. Yet the doom mongers and nay-sayers are back again, spouting their pointless 'if it ain't broke...' statements with the benefit of 20/20 hindsight. There will always be mad results in the Championship, it's that sort of league, the faith GFZ has in his squad should be shared by every person posting on this site. It's a great group of players who should be backed to step in and play at a high level. I'm confident that in the long run, this result will be regarded as an aberration, nothing more. GFZ will make rotations again and if and when we win when he does, he will be hailed as a 'little genius' by the selfsame detractors posting above. *drops mic*[/p][/quote]Didn't need hindsight.. As soon as team announced the groan amongst the support was loud.. Trouble is the exam out there were not capable of playing the excellent football we have seen this year, FF was very good & Hey Ho were given no serviice, we lost the game in Midfield. Hampshire hornet

8:14am Wed 30 Jan 13

Banjo says...

"Watford boss Gianfranco Zola doesn't regret making six changes against Bristol City"
I regret it.
:(
"Watford boss Gianfranco Zola doesn't regret making six changes against Bristol City" I regret it. :( Banjo

8:19am Wed 30 Jan 13

Chris the Vic says...

Sorry holtonian I cannot agree.

We need points, we need to show respect to all teams just not say it.

The squad is important BUT

We need to win against lower teams, resting our best has cost us dear against Charlton and Bristol.

We need to enter every game giving us the best chance of maximising points.

We are out of both cups, we have a good pitch and players like Deeney and Vydra want to play. Sure if we are winning and can bring them off early do so but dont put Vydra on for the last ten minutes.

GFZ made a big mistake against Charlton, he now repeats it against City and apparently would do it again.

it is one thing to make a mistake but entirely different if you do not learn from it and judging by his ill thought comments he is not as good a manager as I hoped.

The Pozzos have given him an unbelievable squad of players, I trust he will not blow it having done so well.

We must keep the faith but GFZ must start to learn. We have a best team and that is what is needed to play from now to the end of the season.
Sorry holtonian I cannot agree. We need points, we need to show respect to all teams just not say it. The squad is important BUT We need to win against lower teams, resting our best has cost us dear against Charlton and Bristol. We need to enter every game giving us the best chance of maximising points. We are out of both cups, we have a good pitch and players like Deeney and Vydra want to play. Sure if we are winning and can bring them off early do so but dont put Vydra on for the last ten minutes. GFZ made a big mistake against Charlton, he now repeats it against City and apparently would do it again. it is one thing to make a mistake but entirely different if you do not learn from it and judging by his ill thought comments he is not as good a manager as I hoped. The Pozzos have given him an unbelievable squad of players, I trust he will not blow it having done so well. We must keep the faith but GFZ must start to learn. We have a best team and that is what is needed to play from now to the end of the season. Chris the Vic

8:24am Wed 30 Jan 13

SAHornet says...

Huge GZ and Pozzo fan as most of know but he just plain got it wrong last night as he did against Charlton. He has to say he would do it again but I just hope that he won't. End of....
Huge GZ and Pozzo fan as most of know but he just plain got it wrong last night as he did against Charlton. He has to say he would do it again but I just hope that he won't. End of.... SAHornet

8:24am Wed 30 Jan 13

Hornet Chris says...

Rotated against Charlton and lost, rotated against Bristol City and lost, not expert but?...

That said still a great season so far!
Rotated against Charlton and lost, rotated against Bristol City and lost, not expert but?... That said still a great season so far! Hornet Chris

8:25am Wed 30 Jan 13

Hampshire hornet says...

Chris the Vic wrote:
Sorry holtonian I cannot agree.

We need points, we need to show respect to all teams just not say it.

The squad is important BUT

We need to win against lower teams, resting our best has cost us dear against Charlton and Bristol.

We need to enter every game giving us the best chance of maximising points.

We are out of both cups, we have a good pitch and players like Deeney and Vydra want to play. Sure if we are winning and can bring them off early do so but dont put Vydra on for the last ten minutes.

GFZ made a big mistake against Charlton, he now repeats it against City and apparently would do it again.

it is one thing to make a mistake but entirely different if you do not learn from it and judging by his ill thought comments he is not as good a manager as I hoped.

The Pozzos have given him an unbelievable squad of players, I trust he will not blow it having done so well.

We must keep the faith but GFZ must start to learn. We have a best team and that is what is needed to play from now to the end of the season.
Bang on...
[quote][p][bold]Chris the Vic[/bold] wrote: Sorry holtonian I cannot agree. We need points, we need to show respect to all teams just not say it. The squad is important BUT We need to win against lower teams, resting our best has cost us dear against Charlton and Bristol. We need to enter every game giving us the best chance of maximising points. We are out of both cups, we have a good pitch and players like Deeney and Vydra want to play. Sure if we are winning and can bring them off early do so but dont put Vydra on for the last ten minutes. GFZ made a big mistake against Charlton, he now repeats it against City and apparently would do it again. it is one thing to make a mistake but entirely different if you do not learn from it and judging by his ill thought comments he is not as good a manager as I hoped. The Pozzos have given him an unbelievable squad of players, I trust he will not blow it having done so well. We must keep the faith but GFZ must start to learn. We have a best team and that is what is needed to play from now to the end of the season.[/p][/quote]Bang on... Hampshire hornet

8:35am Wed 30 Jan 13

buckler says...

Had most travelling fans seen that teamsheet at lunchtime , I'm convinced nowhere near that amount would have gone!
Had most travelling fans seen that teamsheet at lunchtime , I'm convinced nowhere near that amount would have gone! buckler

8:37am Wed 30 Jan 13

WD18Chris says...

We are all grateful to the Pozzo's and Zola but Zola does deserve criticism for his huge mistake last night.

The optimism in the away end drained away when the team was announced. Everyone was predicting a defeat.

You cannot "rest" a centre back, a wing back, 2 central midfielders and 2 strikers and expect to win games in the division. It is the Championship - it is tough.

We don't even have a particualary hectic schedule. We ended up cruising to victory in our last 2 games, Players are fit professionals and can handle playing matches. Apart from Murray that is - he needs to go out and loan and sort his life out.

How good have Doyley, Battocchio, Cassetti, Chalobah, Deeney and Vydra been in the last few games?

But overall it could still be a very good season. We are one of the best teams in this division. We need to play players in form and build the momentum. Zola destroyed our momentum and resting the spine of our team. Bloody madness.
We are all grateful to the Pozzo's and Zola but Zola does deserve criticism for his huge mistake last night. The optimism in the away end drained away when the team was announced. Everyone was predicting a defeat. You cannot "rest" a centre back, a wing back, 2 central midfielders and 2 strikers and expect to win games in the division. It is the Championship - it is tough. We don't even have a particualary hectic schedule. We ended up cruising to victory in our last 2 games, Players are fit professionals and can handle playing matches. Apart from Murray that is - he needs to go out and loan and sort his life out. How good have Doyley, Battocchio, Cassetti, Chalobah, Deeney and Vydra been in the last few games? But overall it could still be a very good season. We are one of the best teams in this division. We need to play players in form and build the momentum. Zola destroyed our momentum and resting the spine of our team. Bloody madness. WD18Chris

8:40am Wed 30 Jan 13

onion8837 says...

I was still too **** off to post last night when I got back, but I feel like asking Zola for my money back. Total f****** shambles last night, it was like watching a Dyche side before it settled down a bit later in the season.

Whoever it was who posted on here saying we will need Eustace's calm head in the coming months can F*** right off - he is a liability in terms of his tackling (could have been booked twice for his first two ugly lunges), his first touch (concrete boots ?) and his passing (woeful). If anyone in that starting XI was going to get sent off, it was him - same old aggression but another yard slower than last year is not a happy combination. Hogg was the same last night but at least tried to inject a little bit of pace, which we sorely lacked.

Don't even get me started on Sean Murray - will be playing alongside JJ O'Toole this time next season, possibly sooner.

Where the F*** was Doyley ? Nos was completely out of sorts playing out of the middle and he Hall seemed to get in each others way.

Almunia - FFS, the first goal travelled 40 yards and it is not the first he has conceded from that range this season.

We made a game against the slowest side in the division into a series of coin tosses (all of which we lost) by taking all the pace out of our side. They were terrified of Vydra on the BCFC forums before the game....so we dropped him for them.

We went a goal down and had absolutely no f****** idea of a PLan B. The conditions were terrible last night, so instead of fizzing a few shots in we tried to play tippy-tappy through 2 ranks of 5. Conditions were made for Deeney (see what Stead did to us when he came on)...so we dropped him as well

WHatever GFZ says about our squad strength, last night gave lie to some of that and by dropping 6 players,he wrote Sean O'Driscoll's team talk for him.

Our away support will be back down to 3 men and a dog after that steaming pile of poo
I was still too **** off to post last night when I got back, but I feel like asking Zola for my money back. Total f****** shambles last night, it was like watching a Dyche side before it settled down a bit later in the season. Whoever it was who posted on here saying we will need Eustace's calm head in the coming months can F*** right off - he is a liability in terms of his tackling (could have been booked twice for his first two ugly lunges), his first touch (concrete boots ?) and his passing (woeful). If anyone in that starting XI was going to get sent off, it was him - same old aggression but another yard slower than last year is not a happy combination. Hogg was the same last night but at least tried to inject a little bit of pace, which we sorely lacked. Don't even get me started on Sean Murray - will be playing alongside JJ O'Toole this time next season, possibly sooner. Where the F*** was Doyley ? Nos was completely out of sorts playing out of the middle and he Hall seemed to get in each others way. Almunia - FFS, the first goal travelled 40 yards and it is not the first he has conceded from that range this season. We made a game against the slowest side in the division into a series of coin tosses (all of which we lost) by taking all the pace out of our side. They were terrified of Vydra on the BCFC forums before the game....so we dropped him for them. We went a goal down and had absolutely no f****** idea of a PLan B. The conditions were terrible last night, so instead of fizzing a few shots in we tried to play tippy-tappy through 2 ranks of 5. Conditions were made for Deeney (see what Stead did to us when he came on)...so we dropped him as well WHatever GFZ says about our squad strength, last night gave lie to some of that and by dropping 6 players,he wrote Sean O'Driscoll's team talk for him. Our away support will be back down to 3 men and a dog after that steaming pile of poo onion8837

8:41am Wed 30 Jan 13

northofwatfordpete says...

We have had the rub of the green recently which has enabled us to sit back and counter attack which is what we are good at. Middlesbrough should have been a couple of goals to the good before they gifted us the lead just before the break. Forest missed a couple of decent chances in the first half and we were able to open them up at will as they pressed forward. Last night we fell behind to a 35 yard hit which allowed Bristol City to defend the rest of the game. Teams will soon learn how to contain us away from home and 3 point games might not be so easy to come by. I believe Zola is aware of this and will continue to rotate the squad in order to provide more options and partnerships to utilise as the season progresses. The team will learn from last nights defeat.
We have had the rub of the green recently which has enabled us to sit back and counter attack which is what we are good at. Middlesbrough should have been a couple of goals to the good before they gifted us the lead just before the break. Forest missed a couple of decent chances in the first half and we were able to open them up at will as they pressed forward. Last night we fell behind to a 35 yard hit which allowed Bristol City to defend the rest of the game. Teams will soon learn how to contain us away from home and 3 point games might not be so easy to come by. I believe Zola is aware of this and will continue to rotate the squad in order to provide more options and partnerships to utilise as the season progresses. The team will learn from last nights defeat. northofwatfordpete

8:44am Wed 30 Jan 13

bigthunder says...

Zola does not regret making the changes and would do so again , this is the most worrying thing of what was an abysmal night

To make a mistake is regretable , to make the same mistake again and not learn from it is unacceptable !

an insult to those of us that travelled for a second time down to Bristol , we pay to see our best team ,Murrey WHY ! , on fire forwards RESTED !
understand maybe the odd tweak but 6 changes is and was MADNESS

ONCE AGAIN great momentum lost
could have been 16k or more there saturday with another good win against the BOTTOM TEAM with the WORST DEFENSIVE record in the league and we did not even score

Long time since i have seen so many absolutley livid away fans leaving game last night , yes sign of progress i suppose but what another MASSIVE own goal !!

Good manager's do not rotate there squads in important league games when have chance of promotion etc

On another point , we were apparently signing loan players this month , 1 signed nothing on others with a day to go , were apparently signing Blake , never happened , apprently signing Helan , not happening he has gone to Sheff Weds , any news Mr Nani , Zola , Duxbury and what about the SW corner gone quiet on that too ?
Zola does not regret making the changes and would do so again , this is the most worrying thing of what was an abysmal night To make a mistake is regretable , to make the same mistake again and not learn from it is unacceptable ! an insult to those of us that travelled for a second time down to Bristol , we pay to see our best team ,Murrey WHY ! , on fire forwards RESTED ! understand maybe the odd tweak but 6 changes is and was MADNESS ONCE AGAIN great momentum lost could have been 16k or more there saturday with another good win against the BOTTOM TEAM with the WORST DEFENSIVE record in the league and we did not even score Long time since i have seen so many absolutley livid away fans leaving game last night , yes sign of progress i suppose but what another MASSIVE own goal !! Good manager's do not rotate there squads in important league games when have chance of promotion etc On another point , we were apparently signing loan players this month , 1 signed nothing on others with a day to go , were apparently signing Blake , never happened , apprently signing Helan , not happening he has gone to Sheff Weds , any news Mr Nani , Zola , Duxbury and what about the SW corner gone quiet on that too ? bigthunder

8:47am Wed 30 Jan 13

corbindallas says...

Britsol City must have thought their Christmas presents had been delivered late looking at the team sheet, for last night. Zola was wrong and despite what he say's bringing Vydra and Deeney on in the 60th minute show's this. I thought it was a FA cup game with such wholesale changes, who does this for a normal Championship game when it counts for so much to our future? Or did he just f**** up by disrespecting Bristol City's position in the table? Who know's but one sure thing I do know, I blo*dy hope he has learnt a lesson from it, poor management decision last night, we could be sitting 2nd this morning!
Britsol City must have thought their Christmas presents had been delivered late looking at the team sheet, for last night. Zola was wrong and despite what he say's bringing Vydra and Deeney on in the 60th minute show's this. I thought it was a FA cup game with such wholesale changes, who does this for a normal Championship game when it counts for so much to our future? Or did he just f**** up by disrespecting Bristol City's position in the table? Who know's but one sure thing I do know, I blo*dy hope he has learnt a lesson from it, poor management decision last night, we could be sitting 2nd this morning! corbindallas

8:49am Wed 30 Jan 13

gloryhornet4 says...

holtonian wrote:
DouglasRinaldi the better Brazilian wrote:
holtonian wrote:
Cannot give our manager nothing but praise. It is about keeping your squad happy this gives true unity in good teams. In a few months sides are now just defending against us as City did tonight.. Give City credit. We may have been stuck in the dungeons if Gianfranco and our great owners had not taken us over. Nice job.
I agree that overall Zola and the Pozzos have done an excellent job, but it doesn't make them exempt from criticism. Tonight, Zola made an error in my opinion. He disrupted the rhythm of our in form team and I believe 6 changes was too many. Keeping the squad happy is fine, but wholesale changes to a team on great form seems illogical.
Long term it is proven that by rotating it really pays. I can understand supporters feeling upset at the loss but he sees the squad daily and knows the strength of players he used tonight. I am certain that Fenando will be a future star just as an example. Its not good policy to play twice in 3 days.
All this would be fine if post the changes the team could muster more than one shot on target.

The freak goal set the scene but for all the squad Watford are one-dimensional and when they fall behind with few exceptions it has been game over.

Yes they have pretty football but it seldom works when the opposition can run the clock down. That BCFC did not need to worry about that showed we were found out.

OK it was one crap game but you don't get automatic promotion if you keep having them.
[quote][p][bold]holtonian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DouglasRinaldi the better Brazilian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]holtonian[/bold] wrote: Cannot give our manager nothing but praise. It is about keeping your squad happy this gives true unity in good teams. In a few months sides are now just defending against us as City did tonight.. Give City credit. We may have been stuck in the dungeons if Gianfranco and our great owners had not taken us over. Nice job.[/p][/quote]I agree that overall Zola and the Pozzos have done an excellent job, but it doesn't make them exempt from criticism. Tonight, Zola made an error in my opinion. He disrupted the rhythm of our in form team and I believe 6 changes was too many. Keeping the squad happy is fine, but wholesale changes to a team on great form seems illogical.[/p][/quote]Long term it is proven that by rotating it really pays. I can understand supporters feeling upset at the loss but he sees the squad daily and knows the strength of players he used tonight. I am certain that Fenando will be a future star just as an example. Its not good policy to play twice in 3 days.[/p][/quote]All this would be fine if post the changes the team could muster more than one shot on target. The freak goal set the scene but for all the squad Watford are one-dimensional and when they fall behind with few exceptions it has been game over. Yes they have pretty football but it seldom works when the opposition can run the clock down. That BCFC did not need to worry about that showed we were found out. OK it was one crap game but you don't get automatic promotion if you keep having them. gloryhornet4

8:58am Wed 30 Jan 13

onion8837 says...

Text conversation between me and a (non-Watford supporting) mate last night:

Him : What are your boys up to ? 30 goals on the bench and 5 on the bench

Me : No **** idea. Am here and we are **** and have turned it into a 50-50

Him : Unbelievable nonsense after Saturday win



....seems everyone knew except GFZ
Text conversation between me and a (non-Watford supporting) mate last night: Him : What are your boys up to ? 30 goals on the bench and 5 on the bench Me : No **** idea. Am here and we are **** and have turned it into a 50-50 Him : Unbelievable nonsense after Saturday win ....seems everyone knew except GFZ onion8837

9:00am Wed 30 Jan 13

endean2 says...

WD18Chris wrote:
We are all grateful to the Pozzo's and Zola but Zola does deserve criticism for his huge mistake last night.

The optimism in the away end drained away when the team was announced. Everyone was predicting a defeat.

You cannot "rest" a centre back, a wing back, 2 central midfielders and 2 strikers and expect to win games in the division. It is the Championship - it is tough.

We don't even have a particualary hectic schedule. We ended up cruising to victory in our last 2 games, Players are fit professionals and can handle playing matches. Apart from Murray that is - he needs to go out and loan and sort his life out.

How good have Doyley, Battocchio, Cassetti, Chalobah, Deeney and Vydra been in the last few games?

But overall it could still be a very good season. We are one of the best teams in this division. We need to play players in form and build the momentum. Zola destroyed our momentum and resting the spine of our team. Bloody madness.
that said it all,
do not compare us to the premiership style of squad rotation, we simply do not have that pool of quality players-yet.

it does concern me when Zola insists that he would repeat the same policy in the future!

I am NOT simply jumping on the bandwagon of criticsm but as all who were there last night saw that was a terrible .team selection
[quote][p][bold]WD18Chris[/bold] wrote: We are all grateful to the Pozzo's and Zola but Zola does deserve criticism for his huge mistake last night. The optimism in the away end drained away when the team was announced. Everyone was predicting a defeat. You cannot "rest" a centre back, a wing back, 2 central midfielders and 2 strikers and expect to win games in the division. It is the Championship - it is tough. We don't even have a particualary hectic schedule. We ended up cruising to victory in our last 2 games, Players are fit professionals and can handle playing matches. Apart from Murray that is - he needs to go out and loan and sort his life out. How good have Doyley, Battocchio, Cassetti, Chalobah, Deeney and Vydra been in the last few games? But overall it could still be a very good season. We are one of the best teams in this division. We need to play players in form and build the momentum. Zola destroyed our momentum and resting the spine of our team. Bloody madness.[/p][/quote]that said it all, do not compare us to the premiership style of squad rotation, we simply do not have that pool of quality players-yet. it does concern me when Zola insists that he would repeat the same policy in the future! I am NOT simply jumping on the bandwagon of criticsm but as all who were there last night saw that was a terrible .team selection endean2

9:06am Wed 30 Jan 13

AngelHornet says...

I have critisized GZ on a previous message, but have had a think about it it since.
Although I was wasn't happy about the amount of changes, perhaps he was giving a few of the players one last chance before making a decision on whether they are going to be part of his future plans.
Well done to those who travelled to the game
I have critisized GZ on a previous message, but have had a think about it it since. Although I was wasn't happy about the amount of changes, perhaps he was giving a few of the players one last chance before making a decision on whether they are going to be part of his future plans. Well done to those who travelled to the game AngelHornet

9:07am Wed 30 Jan 13

Eastsussexhornet says...

This could be a match we all cite as the first one that made us all realise that GFZ isn't anywhere near the god he has been elevated to be by some.

HE LOST US 3 POINTS LAST NIGHT SINGLE HANDEDLY. An absolutely massive managerial ****-up which has to be seriously questioned. He spends the first half of the season finding the right team, finds it, races up the league, has a chance of going second - and he puts out the reserves.

He thought we could thrash them without breaking into a sweat. Talk about arrogance. They have lost many games in a row, change their manager, win against Ipswich - they are DANGEROUS! Everyone of us last night knew it was wrong. The chap queuing up for his Cheeseburger, the people finding their seats, the people all around where I was sitting. We're not paid shed loads of money to pick the team but we all know it was wrong.

And he doesn't regret making 6 changes. Disgraceful.
This could be a match we all cite as the first one that made us all realise that GFZ isn't anywhere near the god he has been elevated to be by some. HE LOST US 3 POINTS LAST NIGHT SINGLE HANDEDLY. An absolutely massive managerial ****-up which has to be seriously questioned. He spends the first half of the season finding the right team, finds it, races up the league, has a chance of going second - and he puts out the reserves. He thought we could thrash them without breaking into a sweat. Talk about arrogance. They have lost many games in a row, change their manager, win against Ipswich - they are DANGEROUS! Everyone of us last night knew it was wrong. The chap queuing up for his Cheeseburger, the people finding their seats, the people all around where I was sitting. We're not paid shed loads of money to pick the team but we all know it was wrong. And he doesn't regret making 6 changes. Disgraceful. Eastsussexhornet

9:08am Wed 30 Jan 13

Hornets number 12 fan says...

If he does not regret that decision is is either very arrogant or very stupid!
If he does not regret that decision is is either very arrogant or very stupid! Hornets number 12 fan

9:08am Wed 30 Jan 13

Eastsussexhornet says...

holtonian wrote:
Cannot give our manager nothing but praise. It is about keeping your squad happy this gives true unity in good teams. In a few months sides are now just defending against us as City did tonight.. Give City credit. We may have been stuck in the dungeons if Gianfranco and our great owners had not taken us over. Nice job.
I can't respond to this as I wish as it wouldn't get passed.
[quote][p][bold]holtonian[/bold] wrote: Cannot give our manager nothing but praise. It is about keeping your squad happy this gives true unity in good teams. In a few months sides are now just defending against us as City did tonight.. Give City credit. We may have been stuck in the dungeons if Gianfranco and our great owners had not taken us over. Nice job.[/p][/quote]I can't respond to this as I wish as it wouldn't get passed. Eastsussexhornet

9:12am Wed 30 Jan 13

Eastsussexhornet says...

corbindallas wrote:
Britsol City must have thought their Christmas presents had been delivered late looking at the team sheet, for last night. Zola was wrong and despite what he say's bringing Vydra and Deeney on in the 60th minute show's this. I thought it was a FA cup game with such wholesale changes, who does this for a normal Championship game when it counts for so much to our future? Or did he just f**** up by disrespecting Bristol City's position in the table? Who know's but one sure thing I do know, I blo*dy hope he has learnt a lesson from it, poor management decision last night, we could be sitting 2nd this morning!
I couldn't agree more - with all of this.
[quote][p][bold]corbindallas[/bold] wrote: Britsol City must have thought their Christmas presents had been delivered late looking at the team sheet, for last night. Zola was wrong and despite what he say's bringing Vydra and Deeney on in the 60th minute show's this. I thought it was a FA cup game with such wholesale changes, who does this for a normal Championship game when it counts for so much to our future? Or did he just f**** up by disrespecting Bristol City's position in the table? Who know's but one sure thing I do know, I blo*dy hope he has learnt a lesson from it, poor management decision last night, we could be sitting 2nd this morning![/p][/quote]I couldn't agree more - with all of this. Eastsussexhornet

9:14am Wed 30 Jan 13

EstebanSemtex says...

I've always found that caps lock makes points SUPER VALID.
I've always found that caps lock makes points SUPER VALID. EstebanSemtex

9:17am Wed 30 Jan 13

Watfordengineer says...

I find the attacks on Zola sickening. he has made watford play some great football and we have had fantastic results for the last few months. and to have this backlash from one result just reminds me what is wrong with football supporters sometimes. Matches like this happen. you go on a run, have an easy fixture mid week and then you loose. Its stems from overconfidence. Just give the man some faith and don't start swearing about him!
I find the attacks on Zola sickening. he has made watford play some great football and we have had fantastic results for the last few months. and to have this backlash from one result just reminds me what is wrong with football supporters sometimes. Matches like this happen. you go on a run, have an easy fixture mid week and then you loose. Its stems from overconfidence. Just give the man some faith and don't start swearing about him! Watfordengineer

9:22am Wed 30 Jan 13

Hampshire hornet says...

AGREED
AGREED Hampshire hornet

9:30am Wed 30 Jan 13

Wimbledonhorn says...

Sorry who cares about keeping the whole squad 'happy'. They are professional footballers and should realise the reality that as a footballer you will struggle to break into a winning side that has the potential to move into 2nd spot. After all Vydra and Elkstand will be on international duty next week and will probably miss the palace game.

To win in life you sometimes have to be ruthless. We all know the championship is unforgiving. How we may rue the Charlton and Bristol City games in May....
Sorry who cares about keeping the whole squad 'happy'. They are professional footballers and should realise the reality that as a footballer you will struggle to break into a winning side that has the potential to move into 2nd spot. After all Vydra and Elkstand will be on international duty next week and will probably miss the palace game. To win in life you sometimes have to be ruthless. We all know the championship is unforgiving. How we may rue the Charlton and Bristol City games in May.... Wimbledonhorn

9:31am Wed 30 Jan 13

davesol says...

Watfordengineer wrote:
I find the attacks on Zola sickening. he has made watford play some great football and we have had fantastic results for the last few months. and to have this backlash from one result just reminds me what is wrong with football supporters sometimes. Matches like this happen. you go on a run, have an easy fixture mid week and then you loose. Its stems from overconfidence. Just give the man some faith and don't start swearing about him!
Absolutely agree, seems to be a lot of people on here taking it for granted that if he had stuck with the same XI then winning the game would have been a formality. Results like this happen all the time in the championship as there is not a huge gulf in quality between the top and the bottom. Seems overly fickle to enjoy the wins and then start criticising the manager after one defeat.
[quote][p][bold]Watfordengineer[/bold] wrote: I find the attacks on Zola sickening. he has made watford play some great football and we have had fantastic results for the last few months. and to have this backlash from one result just reminds me what is wrong with football supporters sometimes. Matches like this happen. you go on a run, have an easy fixture mid week and then you loose. Its stems from overconfidence. Just give the man some faith and don't start swearing about him![/p][/quote]Absolutely agree, seems to be a lot of people on here taking it for granted that if he had stuck with the same XI then winning the game would have been a formality. Results like this happen all the time in the championship as there is not a huge gulf in quality between the top and the bottom. Seems overly fickle to enjoy the wins and then start criticising the manager after one defeat. davesol

9:31am Wed 30 Jan 13

Eastsussexhornet says...

Watfordengineer wrote:
I find the attacks on Zola sickening. he has made watford play some great football and we have had fantastic results for the last few months. and to have this backlash from one result just reminds me what is wrong with football supporters sometimes. Matches like this happen. you go on a run, have an easy fixture mid week and then you loose. Its stems from overconfidence. Just give the man some faith and don't start swearing about him!
You have missed the point.

Football is unpredictable. Anyone within reason can win a match in isolation. There are always too many factors running at the same time that act against form. That's why we all love it. That's why, unlike Rugby, it is more suited to a league than a knock-out tournament and....that's the why the FA Cup is so exciting.

But this isn't psychology, this isn't luck, this isn't the conditions, this isn't injuries, suspensions or any other unforeseen thing - this is a blinding error, pure stupidity completely self-inflicted.

And, referring to an earlier post, the fact that he brought the established partnership on together near the end PROVES that he knows it - I hope to god.
[quote][p][bold]Watfordengineer[/bold] wrote: I find the attacks on Zola sickening. he has made watford play some great football and we have had fantastic results for the last few months. and to have this backlash from one result just reminds me what is wrong with football supporters sometimes. Matches like this happen. you go on a run, have an easy fixture mid week and then you loose. Its stems from overconfidence. Just give the man some faith and don't start swearing about him![/p][/quote]You have missed the point. Football is unpredictable. Anyone within reason can win a match in isolation. There are always too many factors running at the same time that act against form. That's why we all love it. That's why, unlike Rugby, it is more suited to a league than a knock-out tournament and....that's the why the FA Cup is so exciting. But this isn't psychology, this isn't luck, this isn't the conditions, this isn't injuries, suspensions or any other unforeseen thing - this is a blinding error, pure stupidity completely self-inflicted. And, referring to an earlier post, the fact that he brought the established partnership on together near the end PROVES that he knows it - I hope to god. Eastsussexhornet

9:36am Wed 30 Jan 13

inayellowshirt says...

"Lack of quality in the final third" says Zola

Now why was that... nothing to do with dropping the best striking team in The Championship?
"Lack of quality in the final third" says Zola Now why was that... nothing to do with dropping the best striking team in The Championship? inayellowshirt

9:38am Wed 30 Jan 13

Sahorn says...

onion8837 wrote:
I was still too **** off to post last night when I got back, but I feel like asking Zola for my money back. Total f****** shambles last night, it was like watching a Dyche side before it settled down a bit later in the season.

Whoever it was who posted on here saying we will need Eustace's calm head in the coming months can F*** right off - he is a liability in terms of his tackling (could have been booked twice for his first two ugly lunges), his first touch (concrete boots ?) and his passing (woeful). If anyone in that starting XI was going to get sent off, it was him - same old aggression but another yard slower than last year is not a happy combination. Hogg was the same last night but at least tried to inject a little bit of pace, which we sorely lacked.

Don't even get me started on Sean Murray - will be playing alongside JJ O'Toole this time next season, possibly sooner.

Where the F*** was Doyley ? Nos was completely out of sorts playing out of the middle and he Hall seemed to get in each others way.

Almunia - FFS, the first goal travelled 40 yards and it is not the first he has conceded from that range this season.

We made a game against the slowest side in the division into a series of coin tosses (all of which we lost) by taking all the pace out of our side. They were terrified of Vydra on the BCFC forums before the game....so we dropped him for them.

We went a goal down and had absolutely no f****** idea of a PLan B. The conditions were terrible last night, so instead of fizzing a few shots in we tried to play tippy-tappy through 2 ranks of 5. Conditions were made for Deeney (see what Stead did to us when he came on)...so we dropped him as well

WHatever GFZ says about our squad strength, last night gave lie to some of that and by dropping 6 players,he wrote Sean O'Driscoll's team talk for him.

Our away support will be back down to 3 men and a dog after that steaming pile of poo
Blimey, I thought you meant you had calmed down!!

I think we will all forgive Zola when we're all enjoying the promotion party. (but what a miserable journey home!)
[quote][p][bold]onion8837[/bold] wrote: I was still too **** off to post last night when I got back, but I feel like asking Zola for my money back. Total f****** shambles last night, it was like watching a Dyche side before it settled down a bit later in the season. Whoever it was who posted on here saying we will need Eustace's calm head in the coming months can F*** right off - he is a liability in terms of his tackling (could have been booked twice for his first two ugly lunges), his first touch (concrete boots ?) and his passing (woeful). If anyone in that starting XI was going to get sent off, it was him - same old aggression but another yard slower than last year is not a happy combination. Hogg was the same last night but at least tried to inject a little bit of pace, which we sorely lacked. Don't even get me started on Sean Murray - will be playing alongside JJ O'Toole this time next season, possibly sooner. Where the F*** was Doyley ? Nos was completely out of sorts playing out of the middle and he Hall seemed to get in each others way. Almunia - FFS, the first goal travelled 40 yards and it is not the first he has conceded from that range this season. We made a game against the slowest side in the division into a series of coin tosses (all of which we lost) by taking all the pace out of our side. They were terrified of Vydra on the BCFC forums before the game....so we dropped him for them. We went a goal down and had absolutely no f****** idea of a PLan B. The conditions were terrible last night, so instead of fizzing a few shots in we tried to play tippy-tappy through 2 ranks of 5. Conditions were made for Deeney (see what Stead did to us when he came on)...so we dropped him as well WHatever GFZ says about our squad strength, last night gave lie to some of that and by dropping 6 players,he wrote Sean O'Driscoll's team talk for him. Our away support will be back down to 3 men and a dog after that steaming pile of poo[/p][/quote]Blimey, I thought you meant you had calmed down!! I think we will all forgive Zola when we're all enjoying the promotion party. (but what a miserable journey home!) Sahorn

9:41am Wed 30 Jan 13

WessexLad says...

I just hope it does not put Vydra off signing on.
I just hope it does not put Vydra off signing on. WessexLad

9:42am Wed 30 Jan 13

Hampshire hornet says...

They never had a chance with our midfield!.. Bristol City were poor, they looked like a bottom of the table side.. We were worse... Poor decision Mr Zola, put it right Saturday please...
Missed opportunity for 2nd place, increased turnout on Saturday and a sustained winning/scoring run...we should have beaten them last night...
They never had a chance with our midfield!.. Bristol City were poor, they looked like a bottom of the table side.. We were worse... Poor decision Mr Zola, put it right Saturday please... Missed opportunity for 2nd place, increased turnout on Saturday and a sustained winning/scoring run...we should have beaten them last night... Hampshire hornet

9:45am Wed 30 Jan 13

mellow yellow says...

I wasn't there last night. If I had been my groans would have been audible, when the team sheet was announced. The twitter feeds echo that sentiment. I too disagree with the rotation principle, but there have been big changes this season that worked.

However, the big difference between now and then is that people have finally woken up to our strengths: journalists; tv pundits; opposing managers... I think SOD is a decent manager. I can almost ignore his comments before the game but, interestingly, the fact we had so few loan players starting the game played into his pre-match hands. His bleating about our use/abuse of the Udinese connection, and we start with so few of them. Hmmm.

To me, the biggest joke was Eustace and Hogg together. LD you're quite right. What the hell was that about. I can stomach the frontline changes - for all we know they've looked a bit jaded in training - but two midfielders of the same ilk. No thanks.

So, we move on. Whether, in private, GFZ regrets this or not we will never truly know. Maybe he doesn't either... But what happens this Saturday is key to the rest of the season. Automatic, to me, is not really possible. Play-offs... Yes please.

Well done to those who travelled. You have my respect and, in hindsight, sympathy.

We move on.
I wasn't there last night. If I had been my groans would have been audible, when the team sheet was announced. The twitter feeds echo that sentiment. I too disagree with the rotation principle, but there have been big changes this season that worked. However, the big difference between now and then is that people have finally woken up to our strengths: journalists; tv pundits; opposing managers... I think SOD is a decent manager. I can almost ignore his comments before the game but, interestingly, the fact we had so few loan players starting the game played into his pre-match hands. His bleating about our use/abuse of the Udinese connection, and we start with so few of them. Hmmm. To me, the biggest joke was Eustace and Hogg together. LD you're quite right. What the hell was that about. I can stomach the frontline changes - for all we know they've looked a bit jaded in training - but two midfielders of the same ilk. No thanks. So, we move on. Whether, in private, GFZ regrets this or not we will never truly know. Maybe he doesn't either... But what happens this Saturday is key to the rest of the season. Automatic, to me, is not really possible. Play-offs... Yes please. Well done to those who travelled. You have my respect and, in hindsight, sympathy. We move on. mellow yellow

9:53am Wed 30 Jan 13

holtonian says...

Chris the Vic wrote:
Sorry holtonian I cannot agree.

We need points, we need to show respect to all teams just not say it.

The squad is important BUT

We need to win against lower teams, resting our best has cost us dear against Charlton and Bristol.

We need to enter every game giving us the best chance of maximising points.

We are out of both cups, we have a good pitch and players like Deeney and Vydra want to play. Sure if we are winning and can bring them off early do so but dont put Vydra on for the last ten minutes.

GFZ made a big mistake against Charlton, he now repeats it against City and apparently would do it again.

it is one thing to make a mistake but entirely different if you do not learn from it and judging by his ill thought comments he is not as good a manager as I hoped.

The Pozzos have given him an unbelievable squad of players, I trust he will not blow it having done so well.

We must keep the faith but GFZ must start to learn. We have a best team and that is what is needed to play from now to the end of the season.
I agree we need points. But long term the side would end up with a burnt out jaded best 11. It is hard to play twice in 3 days i stress. And after all we did not get the best of luck at City.I am upset we did not bag the points but on the other hand understand how Gianfranco is rotating.Just look a the current big picture.
[quote][p][bold]Chris the Vic[/bold] wrote: Sorry holtonian I cannot agree. We need points, we need to show respect to all teams just not say it. The squad is important BUT We need to win against lower teams, resting our best has cost us dear against Charlton and Bristol. We need to enter every game giving us the best chance of maximising points. We are out of both cups, we have a good pitch and players like Deeney and Vydra want to play. Sure if we are winning and can bring them off early do so but dont put Vydra on for the last ten minutes. GFZ made a big mistake against Charlton, he now repeats it against City and apparently would do it again. it is one thing to make a mistake but entirely different if you do not learn from it and judging by his ill thought comments he is not as good a manager as I hoped. The Pozzos have given him an unbelievable squad of players, I trust he will not blow it having done so well. We must keep the faith but GFZ must start to learn. We have a best team and that is what is needed to play from now to the end of the season.[/p][/quote]I agree we need points. But long term the side would end up with a burnt out jaded best 11. It is hard to play twice in 3 days i stress. And after all we did not get the best of luck at City.I am upset we did not bag the points but on the other hand understand how Gianfranco is rotating.Just look a the current big picture. holtonian

9:54am Wed 30 Jan 13

weeblehorn says...

Eastsussexhornet wrote:
This could be a match we all cite as the first one that made us all realise that GFZ isn't anywhere near the god he has been elevated to be by some. HE LOST US 3 POINTS LAST NIGHT SINGLE HANDEDLY. An absolutely massive managerial ****-up which has to be seriously questioned. He spends the first half of the season finding the right team, finds it, races up the league, has a chance of going second - and he puts out the reserves. He thought we could thrash them without breaking into a sweat. Talk about arrogance. They have lost many games in a row, change their manager, win against Ipswich - they are DANGEROUS! Everyone of us last night knew it was wrong. The chap queuing up for his Cheeseburger, the people finding their seats, the people all around where I was sitting. We're not paid shed loads of money to pick the team but we all know it was wrong. And he doesn't regret making 6 changes. Disgraceful.
Totally agree. I am disapointed that Zola could make this managerial **** up but more disapointed that he won't admit it and then states that he would do it again.
[quote][p][bold]Eastsussexhornet[/bold] wrote: This could be a match we all cite as the first one that made us all realise that GFZ isn't anywhere near the god he has been elevated to be by some. HE LOST US 3 POINTS LAST NIGHT SINGLE HANDEDLY. An absolutely massive managerial ****-up which has to be seriously questioned. He spends the first half of the season finding the right team, finds it, races up the league, has a chance of going second - and he puts out the reserves. He thought we could thrash them without breaking into a sweat. Talk about arrogance. They have lost many games in a row, change their manager, win against Ipswich - they are DANGEROUS! Everyone of us last night knew it was wrong. The chap queuing up for his Cheeseburger, the people finding their seats, the people all around where I was sitting. We're not paid shed loads of money to pick the team but we all know it was wrong. And he doesn't regret making 6 changes. Disgraceful.[/p][/quote]Totally agree. I am disapointed that Zola could make this managerial **** up but more disapointed that he won't admit it and then states that he would do it again. weeblehorn

10:03am Wed 30 Jan 13

onion8837 says...

davesol wrote:
Watfordengineer wrote:
I find the attacks on Zola sickening. he has made watford play some great football and we have had fantastic results for the last few months. and to have this backlash from one result just reminds me what is wrong with football supporters sometimes. Matches like this happen. you go on a run, have an easy fixture mid week and then you loose. Its stems from overconfidence. Just give the man some faith and don't start swearing about him!
Absolutely agree, seems to be a lot of people on here taking it for granted that if he had stuck with the same XI then winning the game would have been a formality. Results like this happen all the time in the championship as there is not a huge gulf in quality between the top and the bottom. Seems overly fickle to enjoy the wins and then start criticising the manager after one defeat.
I don't know if you were at the game or not (probably not based on your comments) but Bristol City were woeful and looked terrified of us for 20 minutes until they realised that our team was just as slow and shambolic as theirs. This is not about fickle fans (far from it as there was good away support last night) - it is about absolutely throwing 3 points away, presenting them to the opposition on a silver salver, with a ridiculous team selection and then not admitting to an error
[quote][p][bold]davesol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Watfordengineer[/bold] wrote: I find the attacks on Zola sickening. he has made watford play some great football and we have had fantastic results for the last few months. and to have this backlash from one result just reminds me what is wrong with football supporters sometimes. Matches like this happen. you go on a run, have an easy fixture mid week and then you loose. Its stems from overconfidence. Just give the man some faith and don't start swearing about him![/p][/quote]Absolutely agree, seems to be a lot of people on here taking it for granted that if he had stuck with the same XI then winning the game would have been a formality. Results like this happen all the time in the championship as there is not a huge gulf in quality between the top and the bottom. Seems overly fickle to enjoy the wins and then start criticising the manager after one defeat.[/p][/quote]I don't know if you were at the game or not (probably not based on your comments) but Bristol City were woeful and looked terrified of us for 20 minutes until they realised that our team was just as slow and shambolic as theirs. This is not about fickle fans (far from it as there was good away support last night) - it is about absolutely throwing 3 points away, presenting them to the opposition on a silver salver, with a ridiculous team selection and then not admitting to an error onion8837

10:05am Wed 30 Jan 13

jasonwatford says...

Calm down..............
Calm down.............. jasonwatford

10:07am Wed 30 Jan 13

onion8837 says...

PS You NEVER drop a striker who is in form, confident and scoring goals for fun
PS You NEVER drop a striker who is in form, confident and scoring goals for fun onion8837

10:14am Wed 30 Jan 13

Harry's Bar says...

Some people are saying that rotation has been proved to work but it's not something you can prove. Did the team win because they rotated or in spite of rotating? You'll never know.
Some people are saying that rotation has been proved to work but it's not something you can prove. Did the team win because they rotated or in spite of rotating? You'll never know. Harry's Bar

10:17am Wed 30 Jan 13

Harry's Bar says...

Hornet Cornet wrote:
Not good enough GZ. you shouldve put out our strongest team with the aim of destroying BCFC. you also need to learn from this my little friend.
Youv'e taken the word patronising to a whole new level.
[quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: Not good enough GZ. you shouldve put out our strongest team with the aim of destroying BCFC. you also need to learn from this my little friend.[/p][/quote]Youv'e taken the word patronising to a whole new level. Harry's Bar

10:20am Wed 30 Jan 13

SimonW, Godalming says...

I can only presume that the majority of those failing to acknowledge Zola's ridiculous decision last night are the ones who did not travel to Bristol twice, I like many others did, Bristol City were rubbish & our proper team would have ripped them apart!!
I can only presume that the majority of those failing to acknowledge Zola's ridiculous decision last night are the ones who did not travel to Bristol twice, I like many others did, Bristol City were rubbish & our proper team would have ripped them apart!! SimonW, Godalming

10:23am Wed 30 Jan 13

onion8837 says...

SimonW, Godalming wrote:
I can only presume that the majority of those failing to acknowledge Zola's ridiculous decision last night are the ones who did not travel to Bristol twice, I like many others did, Bristol City were rubbish & our proper team would have ripped them apart!!
Would seem that way
[quote][p][bold]SimonW, Godalming[/bold] wrote: I can only presume that the majority of those failing to acknowledge Zola's ridiculous decision last night are the ones who did not travel to Bristol twice, I like many others did, Bristol City were rubbish & our proper team would have ripped them apart!![/p][/quote]Would seem that way onion8837

10:24am Wed 30 Jan 13

londomollari says...

Quote from a national newspaper: 'Zola paid the price for treating the Championship like the FA cup and Bristol City like lower league opposition'
That just about has it surrounded.
O'Driscoll, a decent manager, and no fool, aparently said that 'Watford put out a weakened side, and you have to take advantage'
I fully support everything happening at Watford, I fully support Zola as manager. But he is human, and he will make mistakes. Last night was a mistake. Now lets move on.
One last point. Those on here saying our moans were hindsight: As I said before, as soon as I heard the team, I knew we would lose. Apparently, those at the game knew the same. Surely Zola must have had some misgivings?
Quote from a national newspaper: 'Zola paid the price for treating the Championship like the FA cup and Bristol City like lower league opposition' That just about has it surrounded. O'Driscoll, a decent manager, and no fool, aparently said that 'Watford put out a weakened side, and you have to take advantage' I fully support everything happening at Watford, I fully support Zola as manager. But he is human, and he will make mistakes. Last night was a mistake. Now lets move on. One last point. Those on here saying our moans were hindsight: As I said before, as soon as I heard the team, I knew we would lose. Apparently, those at the game knew the same. Surely Zola must have had some misgivings? londomollari

10:27am Wed 30 Jan 13

llloydwithathirdl says...

He's a young manager experiencing Championship football for the first ever time. He's doing incredible, but will make mistakes.

As Zola says it's how we react to such things. That includes him as a manager, his players, and us fans.

THE HORNS ARE GOING UP
He's a young manager experiencing Championship football for the first ever time. He's doing incredible, but will make mistakes. As Zola says it's how we react to such things. That includes him as a manager, his players, and us fans. THE HORNS ARE GOING UP llloydwithathirdl

10:29am Wed 30 Jan 13

llloydwithathirdl says...

Oh, and Murray needs to go out on loan desperately.
Oh, and Murray needs to go out on loan desperately. llloydwithathirdl

11:01am Wed 30 Jan 13

Meadey39 says...

This season Zola and most of the players deserve praise. However, as we come to the crunch time of the season it is important that the team is stable. Having won 3-0 and 4-0 in our last two games, to make so many changes was a mistake. Deeney and Vydra must start every game, Chalobah must play. These are a key players and for us to maintain a play off push they must play every game. Zola will learn from this, if he doesn't he will never progress as a manager.
This season Zola and most of the players deserve praise. However, as we come to the crunch time of the season it is important that the team is stable. Having won 3-0 and 4-0 in our last two games, to make so many changes was a mistake. Deeney and Vydra must start every game, Chalobah must play. These are a key players and for us to maintain a play off push they must play every game. Zola will learn from this, if he doesn't he will never progress as a manager. Meadey39

11:02am Wed 30 Jan 13

Eastsussexhornet says...

londomollari wrote:
Quote from a national newspaper: 'Zola paid the price for treating the Championship like the FA cup and Bristol City like lower league opposition'
That just about has it surrounded.
O'Driscoll, a decent manager, and no fool, aparently said that 'Watford put out a weakened side, and you have to take advantage'
I fully support everything happening at Watford, I fully support Zola as manager. But he is human, and he will make mistakes. Last night was a mistake. Now lets move on.
One last point. Those on here saying our moans were hindsight: As I said before, as soon as I heard the team, I knew we would lose. Apparently, those at the game knew the same. Surely Zola must have had some misgivings?
Totally agree apart from perhaps being as understanding as you are. These posts are generally from two very different type of people - those who can recognise the "bleeding obvious" and those who can't!
[quote][p][bold]londomollari[/bold] wrote: Quote from a national newspaper: 'Zola paid the price for treating the Championship like the FA cup and Bristol City like lower league opposition' That just about has it surrounded. O'Driscoll, a decent manager, and no fool, aparently said that 'Watford put out a weakened side, and you have to take advantage' I fully support everything happening at Watford, I fully support Zola as manager. But he is human, and he will make mistakes. Last night was a mistake. Now lets move on. One last point. Those on here saying our moans were hindsight: As I said before, as soon as I heard the team, I knew we would lose. Apparently, those at the game knew the same. Surely Zola must have had some misgivings?[/p][/quote]Totally agree apart from perhaps being as understanding as you are. These posts are generally from two very different type of people - those who can recognise the "bleeding obvious" and those who can't! Eastsussexhornet

11:11am Wed 30 Jan 13

stevyweavy says...

Well if any body wants to go down the conspiracy theory route - Is there any coincidence that we changed so dramatically a winning / scoring formula and lost to the bottom club in the league so as to avoid going into the spotlight of an automatic promotion position a day after the Football League starts investigating Watford FC and Bassini for financial misconduct charges?
Well if any body wants to go down the conspiracy theory route - Is there any coincidence that we changed so dramatically a winning / scoring formula and lost to the bottom club in the league so as to avoid going into the spotlight of an automatic promotion position a day after the Football League starts investigating Watford FC and Bassini for financial misconduct charges? stevyweavy

11:16am Wed 30 Jan 13

Oracledave says...

There is clearly merit in the argument that six changes is too many - particularly since one of them was Sean Murray who has hardly featured this term, although of course at 32 Cassetti is one who will benefit most from rotation.

However, I think it is too simplistic to jump from that point to saying that with a first eleven Watford would definitely have won. Bristol played without any ego. Two solid banks of four with little fullback overlap. Vydra's great asset is pace and the ability to exploit space. There never was going to be any. And we are not a team with great aerial threat particularly in open play, so 'bombing' the box is not likely to work.

Games at Leicester and Hull are unlikely to be the same as the hosts will have different aspirations and expectations from their fans.
There is clearly merit in the argument that six changes is too many - particularly since one of them was Sean Murray who has hardly featured this term, although of course at 32 Cassetti is one who will benefit most from rotation. However, I think it is too simplistic to jump from that point to saying that with a first eleven Watford would definitely have won. Bristol played without any ego. Two solid banks of four with little fullback overlap. Vydra's great asset is pace and the ability to exploit space. There never was going to be any. And we are not a team with great aerial threat particularly in open play, so 'bombing' the box is not likely to work. Games at Leicester and Hull are unlikely to be the same as the hosts will have different aspirations and expectations from their fans. Oracledave

11:25am Wed 30 Jan 13

stevyweavy says...

Oracledave wrote:
There is clearly merit in the argument that six changes is too many - particularly since one of them was Sean Murray who has hardly featured this term, although of course at 32 Cassetti is one who will benefit most from rotation.

However, I think it is too simplistic to jump from that point to saying that with a first eleven Watford would definitely have won. Bristol played without any ego. Two solid banks of four with little fullback overlap. Vydra's great asset is pace and the ability to exploit space. There never was going to be any. And we are not a team with great aerial threat particularly in open play, so 'bombing' the box is not likely to work.

Games at Leicester and Hull are unlikely to be the same as the hosts will have different aspirations and expectations from their fans.
Except for the fact that before the Bristol City first goal Bristol kept leaving gaping holes in their defense which we did not capitalise on with the changed team and only after they scored did they do anything about closing up their defense. In all likelihood if we had played the previous starting 11 we would have punished them and they would have found no way back.
[quote][p][bold]Oracledave[/bold] wrote: There is clearly merit in the argument that six changes is too many - particularly since one of them was Sean Murray who has hardly featured this term, although of course at 32 Cassetti is one who will benefit most from rotation. However, I think it is too simplistic to jump from that point to saying that with a first eleven Watford would definitely have won. Bristol played without any ego. Two solid banks of four with little fullback overlap. Vydra's great asset is pace and the ability to exploit space. There never was going to be any. And we are not a team with great aerial threat particularly in open play, so 'bombing' the box is not likely to work. Games at Leicester and Hull are unlikely to be the same as the hosts will have different aspirations and expectations from their fans.[/p][/quote]Except for the fact that before the Bristol City first goal Bristol kept leaving gaping holes in their defense which we did not capitalise on with the changed team and only after they scored did they do anything about closing up their defense. In all likelihood if we had played the previous starting 11 we would have punished them and they would have found no way back. stevyweavy

11:34am Wed 30 Jan 13

Boxhorn says...

OK, look at it this way Milwall lost to Barnsley 2-0 last night. Hull's last defeat was home to Sheff Wed and Cardiff's last defeat was home to Peterborough! Defeats happen to the best of teams it's not just us!!
Also, GFZ will have seen more first team action for the bench and.... we will have fresh legs for Saturday.
OK, look at it this way Milwall lost to Barnsley 2-0 last night. Hull's last defeat was home to Sheff Wed and Cardiff's last defeat was home to Peterborough! Defeats happen to the best of teams it's not just us!! Also, GFZ will have seen more first team action for the bench and.... we will have fresh legs for Saturday. Boxhorn

11:40am Wed 30 Jan 13

buckler says...

Think yourself lucky! Think I've got mad cow disease after the vile half pounder LD forced me to eat. Think Sean Murrarys dad might have had the same the way he stormed out the ground early, I wonder Why?
Think yourself lucky! Think I've got mad cow disease after the vile half pounder LD forced me to eat. Think Sean Murrarys dad might have had the same the way he stormed out the ground early, I wonder Why? buckler

11:41am Wed 30 Jan 13

bushey tales says...

Just an observation, but we don't seem to win, or even score, all that often when Forestieri plays. He's clearly very talented but most of the really good wins - Palace, Leeds, Brighton, Boro, Forest etc - seem to have come without him being involved. Personally I much prefer the speed and precision of Vydra to the remarkable trickery of Forestieri and maybe the stats bear that out? He's certainly contributed little since signing that extraordinary, Pardewesque contract. Has anybody looked at the numbers?
Just an observation, but we don't seem to win, or even score, all that often when Forestieri plays. He's clearly very talented but most of the really good wins - Palace, Leeds, Brighton, Boro, Forest etc - seem to have come without him being involved. Personally I much prefer the speed and precision of Vydra to the remarkable trickery of Forestieri and maybe the stats bear that out? He's certainly contributed little since signing that extraordinary, Pardewesque contract. Has anybody looked at the numbers? bushey tales

11:52am Wed 30 Jan 13

Michael Sills says...

I agree 6 changes were way too many, but let the rants be over and lets kick on against Bolton on Saturday, its a pity about last night we could have gone second but we are still fourth and still in a pretty healthy position, so lets get behind the lads on Saturday, and another 3 points in the bag.
I agree 6 changes were way too many, but let the rants be over and lets kick on against Bolton on Saturday, its a pity about last night we could have gone second but we are still fourth and still in a pretty healthy position, so lets get behind the lads on Saturday, and another 3 points in the bag. Michael Sills

12:05pm Wed 30 Jan 13

Chris the Vic says...

Agree Michael we have to move forward.
Agree Michael we have to move forward. Chris the Vic

12:41pm Wed 30 Jan 13

@ChrisBottom16 says...

I didnt go so wont comment on the game itself.

Zola will make 6 changes saturday... if he wins he is a genius... if he loses he is a clown...

You cant win every game. And the mark of a true side is not how they win 4-0 every week, but how they come back from a defeat.

The pozzotive to take is that the transfer window is still open, last night should of given Zola a kick up the backside to get last years deadwood out and some players in before tomorrow.
I didnt go so wont comment on the game itself. Zola will make 6 changes saturday... if he wins he is a genius... if he loses he is a clown... You cant win every game. And the mark of a true side is not how they win 4-0 every week, but how they come back from a defeat. The pozzotive to take is that the transfer window is still open, last night should of given Zola a kick up the backside to get last years deadwood out and some players in before tomorrow. @ChrisBottom16

12:52pm Wed 30 Jan 13

mkhornet says...

Trust GFZ, we can't win every game. Maybe later in the season when our best players are still fairly fresh and other teams at the top of the table who don't have the depth that we have are "knackered" we might see this defeat in a different light. If you are going to lose it's actually better to lose against a team that aren't going to be in the promotion shake up rather than one of our rivals. A hiccup, not the disaster some are making it out to be. Marathon not a sprint etc.....
Trust GFZ, we can't win every game. Maybe later in the season when our best players are still fairly fresh and other teams at the top of the table who don't have the depth that we have are "knackered" we might see this defeat in a different light. If you are going to lose it's actually better to lose against a team that aren't going to be in the promotion shake up rather than one of our rivals. A hiccup, not the disaster some are making it out to be. Marathon not a sprint etc..... mkhornet

12:54pm Wed 30 Jan 13

KeithMercer says...

If Geijo takes his chance in the first half I wonder if we would have everyone queuing up to Lambast GFZ ?
But then its a funny old game aint it ?
Prepared to concede 6 changes was too many and that Eustace and Hogg should certainly not play together ! we dont need two dogs of war !
Lets stay positive and move on COYHs
If Geijo takes his chance in the first half I wonder if we would have everyone queuing up to Lambast GFZ ? But then its a funny old game aint it ? Prepared to concede 6 changes was too many and that Eustace and Hogg should certainly not play together ! we dont need two dogs of war ! Lets stay positive and move on COYHs KeithMercer

12:55pm Wed 30 Jan 13

muzzy999 says...

Can everyone please look at the bigger picture. Zola HAD to make 6 changes last night. You cannot play Vydra and Deeney upfront the whole season, they will burnout and pick up more and more injuries. It is much better that we drop 3 points to Bristol City and then beat the teams around us. Everyone keeps saying how great it is that we have such depth. Do you think quality players want to sit on the bench week in week out? No. Hence Zola's comments about reducing the size of the squad. We have the best manager in the league, we have the best team in the league, and judging by the support against Nottingham we have the best fans in the league. Everyone just need to calm down, support their team each Saturday and we will see where it gets us. I think we can win this league, but I accept we will drop points along the way. We just need to be united and stay together has a team.
Can everyone please look at the bigger picture. Zola HAD to make 6 changes last night. You cannot play Vydra and Deeney upfront the whole season, they will burnout and pick up more and more injuries. It is much better that we drop 3 points to Bristol City and then beat the teams around us. Everyone keeps saying how great it is that we have such depth. Do you think quality players want to sit on the bench week in week out? No. Hence Zola's comments about reducing the size of the squad. We have the best manager in the league, we have the best team in the league, and judging by the support against Nottingham we have the best fans in the league. Everyone just need to calm down, support their team each Saturday and we will see where it gets us. I think we can win this league, but I accept we will drop points along the way. We just need to be united and stay together has a team. muzzy999

1:06pm Wed 30 Jan 13

buckshornet says...

not acceptable,i hope we in the future the manager makes 6 changes to the team he lets us the fans know before hand so then we can decide to stay away or not because i will stay away rather than watch a reserve side.last time he did this was vs charlton and again murray was in the side when he was woeful.i could take the 2 or 3 changes but 6 is way too many and does not work and probably never will unless your man utd.
not acceptable,i hope we in the future the manager makes 6 changes to the team he lets us the fans know before hand so then we can decide to stay away or not because i will stay away rather than watch a reserve side.last time he did this was vs charlton and again murray was in the side when he was woeful.i could take the 2 or 3 changes but 6 is way too many and does not work and probably never will unless your man utd. buckshornet

1:12pm Wed 30 Jan 13

JohnnyHornet says...

londomollari wrote:
buckler wrote:
Zola should go home and sit on the naughty stair for the amount of time we wasted tonight! 10 hours and add on the wasted journey 17 hours. Screwed up big time..
It's the supporters who travelled I feel sorry for---I would have felt cheated.
Couldn't agree more, contempt for the wonderful traveling fans and an insult and a spur for BC not fielding the strongest team, I wouldn't have complained so much even if it was just TD & MV on the bench but 6..completely wrong.
[quote][p][bold]londomollari[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buckler[/bold] wrote: Zola should go home and sit on the naughty stair for the amount of time we wasted tonight! 10 hours and add on the wasted journey 17 hours. Screwed up big time..[/p][/quote]It's the supporters who travelled I feel sorry for---I would have felt cheated.[/p][/quote]Couldn't agree more, contempt for the wonderful traveling fans and an insult and a spur for BC not fielding the strongest team, I wouldn't have complained so much even if it was just TD & MV on the bench but 6..completely wrong. JohnnyHornet

1:26pm Wed 30 Jan 13

JohnnyHornet says...

llloydwithathirdl wrote:
Oh, and Murray needs to go out on loan desperately.
And lose 4 stone.
[quote][p][bold]llloydwithathirdl[/bold] wrote: Oh, and Murray needs to go out on loan desperately.[/p][/quote]And lose 4 stone. JohnnyHornet

1:31pm Wed 30 Jan 13

lutondown says...

buckler wrote:
Think yourself lucky! Think I've got mad cow disease after the vile half pounder LD forced me to eat. Think Sean Murrarys dad might have had the same the way he stormed out the ground early, I wonder Why?
No Buck you gave the burger mad cow disease, and judging the vile smell coming from you, it seems the poor cow was dying all over again in your stomach. Yuk
[quote][p][bold]buckler[/bold] wrote: Think yourself lucky! Think I've got mad cow disease after the vile half pounder LD forced me to eat. Think Sean Murrarys dad might have had the same the way he stormed out the ground early, I wonder Why?[/p][/quote]No Buck you gave the burger mad cow disease, and judging the vile smell coming from you, it seems the poor cow was dying all over again in your stomach. Yuk lutondown

1:32pm Wed 30 Jan 13

miked2006 says...

If Geijo took his chance, or if they didn't score a fluke goal it could all have been different, and we could be celebrating a tactical masterclass by Zola. He took a gamble and will learn from it.

He knows now to never play Hogg and Eustace in the same team. Even though the change was necessary due to Casetti's age (I thought he was 35 but someone above said 32?), he has taught Murray that he is not yet ready for our team and that he should stop whinging that he is not playing, I too think he should go on loan and give up on the pints. I also think that he has learnt that Fessi isn't yet consistently effective enough yet to start and should be used more as an impact player/ brought on when we are winning against tired legs.

In my oppinion the front two needed to be changed, the last thing we would want is the front two to be jaded going into the final few games of the season (especially with Vydra's international call up). We need a plan B in case the front two become injured too, and the strikers obviously needed the game time.

Now we have no excuses not to win the 6 pointers.
If Geijo took his chance, or if they didn't score a fluke goal it could all have been different, and we could be celebrating a tactical masterclass by Zola. He took a gamble and will learn from it. He knows now to never play Hogg and Eustace in the same team. Even though the change was necessary due to Casetti's age (I thought he was 35 but someone above said 32?), he has taught Murray that he is not yet ready for our team and that he should stop whinging that he is not playing, I too think he should go on loan and give up on the pints. I also think that he has learnt that Fessi isn't yet consistently effective enough yet to start and should be used more as an impact player/ brought on when we are winning against tired legs. In my oppinion the front two needed to be changed, the last thing we would want is the front two to be jaded going into the final few games of the season (especially with Vydra's international call up). We need a plan B in case the front two become injured too, and the strikers obviously needed the game time. Now we have no excuses not to win the 6 pointers. miked2006

1:34pm Wed 30 Jan 13

lutondown says...

I do think on reflection, the people lining up to bash Zola out weighs those who praise him after a sumptuous win.
It was a bad night, but come on look where we are, and lets face it if we'd of had these players earlier, we'd be top ( but still losing odd game).
I do think on reflection, the people lining up to bash Zola out weighs those who praise him after a sumptuous win. It was a bad night, but come on look where we are, and lets face it if we'd of had these players earlier, we'd be top ( but still losing odd game). lutondown

1:36pm Wed 30 Jan 13

lutondown says...

JohnnyHornet wrote:
llloydwithathirdl wrote:
Oh, and Murray needs to go out on loan desperately.
And lose 4 stone.
He didn't look fat to be fair, he looked flat, devoid of ideas, he made our defence nervy. He needs to go out on loan somewhere far away for his own good, and so that GFZ doesn't have these mad brain storms and pick him.
[quote][p][bold]JohnnyHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]llloydwithathirdl[/bold] wrote: Oh, and Murray needs to go out on loan desperately.[/p][/quote]And lose 4 stone.[/p][/quote]He didn't look fat to be fair, he looked flat, devoid of ideas, he made our defence nervy. He needs to go out on loan somewhere far away for his own good, and so that GFZ doesn't have these mad brain storms and pick him. lutondown

1:36pm Wed 30 Jan 13

Harry's Bar says...

Zola has to be careful what he publicly regrets. We as fans just say what we think but Zola has to consider the effect on the players he brought in before he tells a journalist he f*#*# up playing them all.
Zola has to be careful what he publicly regrets. We as fans just say what we think but Zola has to consider the effect on the players he brought in before he tells a journalist he f*#*# up playing them all. Harry's Bar

1:43pm Wed 30 Jan 13

napoleorn says...

Is it just me or are our supporters turning into fickle Arsenal fans? Before you ask, no i wasn't there last night, but I have followed the side for over 30 years home and away, so I think I have the right to comment.
Comments like "let us know what side we are putting out so I can decide to go or not" frankly beggar belief. Yes, six changes were probably too many, but, i'm a supporter of Watford Football Club, not Vydra united or Chalobah City, the players turning out last night are still some of the best players the club has had over the last 20 odd years,If you had ever seen the likes of Devon White, Trevor Senior et al, you'd know what a blessed position we are in at the moment. We got turned over last night by a side fighting for their careers under a new manager. It happens. Nobody likes to see their side lose but let's not turn into a set of supporters who only turn up when we're guranteed a win, or is that why so many of you are rattle throwing today?
Is it just me or are our supporters turning into fickle Arsenal fans? Before you ask, no i wasn't there last night, but I have followed the side for over 30 years home and away, so I think I have the right to comment. Comments like "let us know what side we are putting out so I can decide to go or not" frankly beggar belief. Yes, six changes were probably too many, but, i'm a supporter of Watford Football Club, not Vydra united or Chalobah City, the players turning out last night are still some of the best players the club has had over the last 20 odd years,If you had ever seen the likes of Devon White, Trevor Senior et al, you'd know what a blessed position we are in at the moment. We got turned over last night by a side fighting for their careers under a new manager. It happens. Nobody likes to see their side lose but let's not turn into a set of supporters who only turn up when we're guranteed a win, or is that why so many of you are rattle throwing today? napoleorn

1:47pm Wed 30 Jan 13

dal8oy says...

napoleorn wrote:
Is it just me or are our supporters turning into fickle Arsenal fans? Before you ask, no i wasn't there last night, but I have followed the side for over 30 years home and away, so I think I have the right to comment.
Comments like "let us know what side we are putting out so I can decide to go or not" frankly beggar belief. Yes, six changes were probably too many, but, i'm a supporter of Watford Football Club, not Vydra united or Chalobah City, the players turning out last night are still some of the best players the club has had over the last 20 odd years,If you had ever seen the likes of Devon White, Trevor Senior et al, you'd know what a blessed position we are in at the moment. We got turned over last night by a side fighting for their careers under a new manager. It happens. Nobody likes to see their side lose but let's not turn into a set of supporters who only turn up when we're guranteed a win, or is that why so many of you are rattle throwing today?
Have to say this comment is spot on. We were always on hiding to nothing last night and nothing would guarantee us a win. Think how we would all have felt if they had beaten us with the same team that faced Forrest etc. At least we will know who is going to be in the team on Saturday............
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[quote][p][bold]napoleorn[/bold] wrote: Is it just me or are our supporters turning into fickle Arsenal fans? Before you ask, no i wasn't there last night, but I have followed the side for over 30 years home and away, so I think I have the right to comment. Comments like "let us know what side we are putting out so I can decide to go or not" frankly beggar belief. Yes, six changes were probably too many, but, i'm a supporter of Watford Football Club, not Vydra united or Chalobah City, the players turning out last night are still some of the best players the club has had over the last 20 odd years,If you had ever seen the likes of Devon White, Trevor Senior et al, you'd know what a blessed position we are in at the moment. We got turned over last night by a side fighting for their careers under a new manager. It happens. Nobody likes to see their side lose but let's not turn into a set of supporters who only turn up when we're guranteed a win, or is that why so many of you are rattle throwing today?[/p][/quote]Have to say this comment is spot on. We were always on hiding to nothing last night and nothing would guarantee us a win. Think how we would all have felt if they had beaten us with the same team that faced Forrest etc. At least we will know who is going to be in the team on Saturday............ . dal8oy

1:54pm Wed 30 Jan 13

lutondown says...

Harry's Bar wrote:
Zola has to be careful what he publicly regrets. We as fans just say what we think but Zola has to consider the effect on the players he brought in before he tells a journalist he f*#*# up playing them all.
That's a very good and valid point 'Arry.
[quote][p][bold]Harry's Bar[/bold] wrote: Zola has to be careful what he publicly regrets. We as fans just say what we think but Zola has to consider the effect on the players he brought in before he tells a journalist he f*#*# up playing them all.[/p][/quote]That's a very good and valid point 'Arry. lutondown

2:05pm Wed 30 Jan 13

neil-bs says...

The disappointment is clearly written rather large today and Zola's remarks, rather misjudged in my opinion, have not helped. He is coming across as arrogant and though his arrogance based on his skills as a player helped to make him an absolute star in his playing days it may well not help him as a manager especially as he is extremely inexperienced.
Many of his followers after months of uttering hardly a word against him are today absolutely furious with him. I have to agree with some of what is being said but I do think he is a good manager, not brilliant, but good. Zola's big failing seems to be as a tactician. Some of you have referred to his lack of a plan B. His use of substitutes is not often gamechanging. Last night knowing that he was in trouble he should have made changes earlier, at the latest halftime. A manager's job is to get the best out of the players he has available whatever the ability of the players. I am not sure he is achieving this at the moment.
However the important thing is to get the points in the bag especially in the position we are at the moment. If only... is useless but it is a fact that the 6 points thrown away in the games against Charlton and Bristol City would have put us in 2nd place only 5 points behind Cardiff and 5 points ahead of 3rd and 4th., 13 points in front of 7th placed Brighton. An absolutely immense psychological advantage for Watford. And if we are going to get a points penalty it will be good to have them already in the bag. I think stylistically Zola is good but tactically whether on or off the field perhaps not quite so good. Going into matches against clubs like Palace, Cardiff, Hull, Leicester, Burnley etc. knowing that a draw is not a disaster must be quite a good feeling.
The disappointment is clearly written rather large today and Zola's remarks, rather misjudged in my opinion, have not helped. He is coming across as arrogant and though his arrogance based on his skills as a player helped to make him an absolute star in his playing days it may well not help him as a manager especially as he is extremely inexperienced. Many of his followers after months of uttering hardly a word against him are today absolutely furious with him. I have to agree with some of what is being said but I do think he is a good manager, not brilliant, but good. Zola's big failing seems to be as a tactician. Some of you have referred to his lack of a plan B. His use of substitutes is not often gamechanging. Last night knowing that he was in trouble he should have made changes earlier, at the latest halftime. A manager's job is to get the best out of the players he has available whatever the ability of the players. I am not sure he is achieving this at the moment. However the important thing is to get the points in the bag especially in the position we are at the moment. If only... is useless but it is a fact that the 6 points thrown away in the games against Charlton and Bristol City would have put us in 2nd place only 5 points behind Cardiff and 5 points ahead of 3rd and 4th., 13 points in front of 7th placed Brighton. An absolutely immense psychological advantage for Watford. And if we are going to get a points penalty it will be good to have them already in the bag. I think stylistically Zola is good but tactically whether on or off the field perhaps not quite so good. Going into matches against clubs like Palace, Cardiff, Hull, Leicester, Burnley etc. knowing that a draw is not a disaster must be quite a good feeling. neil-bs

2:07pm Wed 30 Jan 13

AMP4WATFORD4EVER says...

6 changes is perhaps too much BUT all is forgiven when Zola demolish Cardiff......
6 changes is perhaps too much BUT all is forgiven when Zola demolish Cardiff...... AMP4WATFORD4EVER

2:23pm Wed 30 Jan 13

Harry's Bar says...

Anyone else getting pee'd off with posts slagging off Zola. Give him a break, we've all made mistakes and it wasn't like he brought in 6 first year professionals last night.
Anyone else getting pee'd off with posts slagging off Zola. Give him a break, we've all made mistakes and it wasn't like he brought in 6 first year professionals last night. Harry's Bar

2:29pm Wed 30 Jan 13

watford4ever says...

Like most of the contributers on this site I am over the moon with what is happening to our club, a huge thanks to all those involved. However it clearly does not make sense to make 6 unforced changes to a winning team. More to the point to replace our comination of physical presence and pace up front with two arguably more technically gifted players, but less suited to a poor footballing pitch in terrible conditions makes not sense whatsever.
Like most of the contributers on this site I am over the moon with what is happening to our club, a huge thanks to all those involved. However it clearly does not make sense to make 6 unforced changes to a winning team. More to the point to replace our comination of physical presence and pace up front with two arguably more technically gifted players, but less suited to a poor footballing pitch in terrible conditions makes not sense whatsever. watford4ever

2:29pm Wed 30 Jan 13

KeithMercer says...

napoleorn wrote:
Is it just me or are our supporters turning into fickle Arsenal fans? Before you ask, no i wasn't there last night, but I have followed the side for over 30 years home and away, so I think I have the right to comment.
Comments like "let us know what side we are putting out so I can decide to go or not" frankly beggar belief. Yes, six changes were probably too many, but, i'm a supporter of Watford Football Club, not Vydra united or Chalobah City, the players turning out last night are still some of the best players the club has had over the last 20 odd years,If you had ever seen the likes of Devon White, Trevor Senior et al, you'd know what a blessed position we are in at the moment. We got turned over last night by a side fighting for their careers under a new manager. It happens. Nobody likes to see their side lose but let's not turn into a set of supporters who only turn up when we're guranteed a win, or is that why so many of you are rattle throwing today?
Great post in my very humble opinion !
[quote][p][bold]napoleorn[/bold] wrote: Is it just me or are our supporters turning into fickle Arsenal fans? Before you ask, no i wasn't there last night, but I have followed the side for over 30 years home and away, so I think I have the right to comment. Comments like "let us know what side we are putting out so I can decide to go or not" frankly beggar belief. Yes, six changes were probably too many, but, i'm a supporter of Watford Football Club, not Vydra united or Chalobah City, the players turning out last night are still some of the best players the club has had over the last 20 odd years,If you had ever seen the likes of Devon White, Trevor Senior et al, you'd know what a blessed position we are in at the moment. We got turned over last night by a side fighting for their careers under a new manager. It happens. Nobody likes to see their side lose but let's not turn into a set of supporters who only turn up when we're guranteed a win, or is that why so many of you are rattle throwing today?[/p][/quote]Great post in my very humble opinion ! KeithMercer

2:34pm Wed 30 Jan 13

lutondown says...

bushey tales wrote:
Just an observation, but we don't seem to win, or even score, all that often when Forestieri plays. He's clearly very talented but most of the really good wins - Palace, Leeds, Brighton, Boro, Forest etc - seem to have come without him being involved. Personally I much prefer the speed and precision of Vydra to the remarkable trickery of Forestieri and maybe the stats bear that out? He's certainly contributed little since signing that extraordinary, Pardewesque contract. Has anybody looked at the numbers?
Well you obviously don't go much. Last night he was the one player, trying things. He's hardly played since his contract and if you want to think about poor performance and long contracts look at Murray, he looks like he could not care less.
[quote][p][bold]bushey tales[/bold] wrote: Just an observation, but we don't seem to win, or even score, all that often when Forestieri plays. He's clearly very talented but most of the really good wins - Palace, Leeds, Brighton, Boro, Forest etc - seem to have come without him being involved. Personally I much prefer the speed and precision of Vydra to the remarkable trickery of Forestieri and maybe the stats bear that out? He's certainly contributed little since signing that extraordinary, Pardewesque contract. Has anybody looked at the numbers?[/p][/quote]Well you obviously don't go much. Last night he was the one player, trying things. He's hardly played since his contract and if you want to think about poor performance and long contracts look at Murray, he looks like he could not care less. lutondown

2:37pm Wed 30 Jan 13

lutondown says...

Harry's Bar wrote:
Anyone else getting pee'd off with posts slagging off Zola. Give him a break, we've all made mistakes and it wasn't like he brought in 6 first year professionals last night.
Yes I am, I went, was annoyed but this morning perspective prevailed. I've been to quite a few games this season, and that was the second away game I've seen us lose out of eight. We won five, drew one.
It's always good to see the likes of Wails and his anti Forresteri crusade, Vet kills a mouse and his anti Zola asides etc etc. fans? Now that's a laugh
[quote][p][bold]Harry's Bar[/bold] wrote: Anyone else getting pee'd off with posts slagging off Zola. Give him a break, we've all made mistakes and it wasn't like he brought in 6 first year professionals last night.[/p][/quote]Yes I am, I went, was annoyed but this morning perspective prevailed. I've been to quite a few games this season, and that was the second away game I've seen us lose out of eight. We won five, drew one. It's always good to see the likes of Wails and his anti Forresteri crusade, Vet kills a mouse and his anti Zola asides etc etc. fans? Now that's a laugh lutondown

2:38pm Wed 30 Jan 13

KeithMercer says...

neil-bs wrote:
The disappointment is clearly written rather large today and Zola's remarks, rather misjudged in my opinion, have not helped. He is coming across as arrogant and though his arrogance based on his skills as a player helped to make him an absolute star in his playing days it may well not help him as a manager especially as he is extremely inexperienced.
Many of his followers after months of uttering hardly a word against him are today absolutely furious with him. I have to agree with some of what is being said but I do think he is a good manager, not brilliant, but good. Zola's big failing seems to be as a tactician. Some of you have referred to his lack of a plan B. His use of substitutes is not often gamechanging. Last night knowing that he was in trouble he should have made changes earlier, at the latest halftime. A manager's job is to get the best out of the players he has available whatever the ability of the players. I am not sure he is achieving this at the moment.
However the important thing is to get the points in the bag especially in the position we are at the moment. If only... is useless but it is a fact that the 6 points thrown away in the games against Charlton and Bristol City would have put us in 2nd place only 5 points behind Cardiff and 5 points ahead of 3rd and 4th., 13 points in front of 7th placed Brighton. An absolutely immense psychological advantage for Watford. And if we are going to get a points penalty it will be good to have them already in the bag. I think stylistically Zola is good but tactically whether on or off the field perhaps not quite so good. Going into matches against clubs like Palace, Cardiff, Hull, Leicester, Burnley etc. knowing that a draw is not a disaster must be quite a good feeling.
You dumbfound me !!
So if we had taken 6 points from Charlton and Bristol we would be 2nd and just 5 points behind Cardiff blah blah blah !! But no mention of fantastic away wins at Brighton, Middlesborough and Forest . Of course in your mind they were just to be expected and we should win every game.
By your reckoning we should have about 80 points by now and already promoted.
Try thinking about what you are saying before spouting nonsense please.
[quote][p][bold]neil-bs[/bold] wrote: The disappointment is clearly written rather large today and Zola's remarks, rather misjudged in my opinion, have not helped. He is coming across as arrogant and though his arrogance based on his skills as a player helped to make him an absolute star in his playing days it may well not help him as a manager especially as he is extremely inexperienced. Many of his followers after months of uttering hardly a word against him are today absolutely furious with him. I have to agree with some of what is being said but I do think he is a good manager, not brilliant, but good. Zola's big failing seems to be as a tactician. Some of you have referred to his lack of a plan B. His use of substitutes is not often gamechanging. Last night knowing that he was in trouble he should have made changes earlier, at the latest halftime. A manager's job is to get the best out of the players he has available whatever the ability of the players. I am not sure he is achieving this at the moment. However the important thing is to get the points in the bag especially in the position we are at the moment. If only... is useless but it is a fact that the 6 points thrown away in the games against Charlton and Bristol City would have put us in 2nd place only 5 points behind Cardiff and 5 points ahead of 3rd and 4th., 13 points in front of 7th placed Brighton. An absolutely immense psychological advantage for Watford. And if we are going to get a points penalty it will be good to have them already in the bag. I think stylistically Zola is good but tactically whether on or off the field perhaps not quite so good. Going into matches against clubs like Palace, Cardiff, Hull, Leicester, Burnley etc. knowing that a draw is not a disaster must be quite a good feeling.[/p][/quote]You dumbfound me !! So if we had taken 6 points from Charlton and Bristol we would be 2nd and just 5 points behind Cardiff blah blah blah !! But no mention of fantastic away wins at Brighton, Middlesborough and Forest . Of course in your mind they were just to be expected and we should win every game. By your reckoning we should have about 80 points by now and already promoted. Try thinking about what you are saying before spouting nonsense please. KeithMercer

2:39pm Wed 30 Jan 13

lutondown says...

Our three worst players last night..Murray, Hogg, Eustace, All English or part paddy. Yet all I see is certain people and europlayer phobia! Jeez and I vote UKIP!
Our three worst players last night..Murray, Hogg, Eustace, All English or part paddy. Yet all I see is certain people and europlayer phobia! Jeez and I vote UKIP! lutondown

2:48pm Wed 30 Jan 13

Holly68 says...

I hear the Football League gave Watford a Points Deduction in December, but in order to keep it under the radar, Watford did a deal whereby GFZ would make numerous changes to the team in certain fixtures to low placed teams to effectively take the points deduction without wider public knowing. Sssssssshhhhhhhh ! 6 points deducted so far (Charlton and Bristol), only 4 more points to deduct, so expect 2 more lots of rotation that will result in 2 draw's, once we have then taken our 10 point deduction GFZ will then play his strongest team every week ...........

This is in fact complete rubbish OR could it be .....
I hear the Football League gave Watford a Points Deduction in December, but in order to keep it under the radar, Watford did a deal whereby GFZ would make numerous changes to the team in certain fixtures to low placed teams to effectively take the points deduction without wider public knowing. Sssssssshhhhhhhh ! 6 points deducted so far (Charlton and Bristol), only 4 more points to deduct, so expect 2 more lots of rotation that will result in 2 draw's, once we have then taken our 10 point deduction GFZ will then play his strongest team every week ........... This is in fact complete rubbish OR could it be ..... Holly68

2:49pm Wed 30 Jan 13

Eastsussexhornet says...

KeithMercer wrote:
neil-bs wrote:
The disappointment is clearly written rather large today and Zola's remarks, rather misjudged in my opinion, have not helped. He is coming across as arrogant and though his arrogance based on his skills as a player helped to make him an absolute star in his playing days it may well not help him as a manager especially as he is extremely inexperienced.
Many of his followers after months of uttering hardly a word against him are today absolutely furious with him. I have to agree with some of what is being said but I do think he is a good manager, not brilliant, but good. Zola's big failing seems to be as a tactician. Some of you have referred to his lack of a plan B. His use of substitutes is not often gamechanging. Last night knowing that he was in trouble he should have made changes earlier, at the latest halftime. A manager's job is to get the best out of the players he has available whatever the ability of the players. I am not sure he is achieving this at the moment.
However the important thing is to get the points in the bag especially in the position we are at the moment. If only... is useless but it is a fact that the 6 points thrown away in the games against Charlton and Bristol City would have put us in 2nd place only 5 points behind Cardiff and 5 points ahead of 3rd and 4th., 13 points in front of 7th placed Brighton. An absolutely immense psychological advantage for Watford. And if we are going to get a points penalty it will be good to have them already in the bag. I think stylistically Zola is good but tactically whether on or off the field perhaps not quite so good. Going into matches against clubs like Palace, Cardiff, Hull, Leicester, Burnley etc. knowing that a draw is not a disaster must be quite a good feeling.
You dumbfound me !!
So if we had taken 6 points from Charlton and Bristol we would be 2nd and just 5 points behind Cardiff blah blah blah !! But no mention of fantastic away wins at Brighton, Middlesborough and Forest . Of course in your mind they were just to be expected and we should win every game.
By your reckoning we should have about 80 points by now and already promoted.
Try thinking about what you are saying before spouting nonsense please.
And YOU dumbfound ME! Another post that completely misses the point. See my previous post and a response at 9.54. I can't be bothered to type it all out again...
[quote][p][bold]KeithMercer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]neil-bs[/bold] wrote: The disappointment is clearly written rather large today and Zola's remarks, rather misjudged in my opinion, have not helped. He is coming across as arrogant and though his arrogance based on his skills as a player helped to make him an absolute star in his playing days it may well not help him as a manager especially as he is extremely inexperienced. Many of his followers after months of uttering hardly a word against him are today absolutely furious with him. I have to agree with some of what is being said but I do think he is a good manager, not brilliant, but good. Zola's big failing seems to be as a tactician. Some of you have referred to his lack of a plan B. His use of substitutes is not often gamechanging. Last night knowing that he was in trouble he should have made changes earlier, at the latest halftime. A manager's job is to get the best out of the players he has available whatever the ability of the players. I am not sure he is achieving this at the moment. However the important thing is to get the points in the bag especially in the position we are at the moment. If only... is useless but it is a fact that the 6 points thrown away in the games against Charlton and Bristol City would have put us in 2nd place only 5 points behind Cardiff and 5 points ahead of 3rd and 4th., 13 points in front of 7th placed Brighton. An absolutely immense psychological advantage for Watford. And if we are going to get a points penalty it will be good to have them already in the bag. I think stylistically Zola is good but tactically whether on or off the field perhaps not quite so good. Going into matches against clubs like Palace, Cardiff, Hull, Leicester, Burnley etc. knowing that a draw is not a disaster must be quite a good feeling.[/p][/quote]You dumbfound me !! So if we had taken 6 points from Charlton and Bristol we would be 2nd and just 5 points behind Cardiff blah blah blah !! But no mention of fantastic away wins at Brighton, Middlesborough and Forest . Of course in your mind they were just to be expected and we should win every game. By your reckoning we should have about 80 points by now and already promoted. Try thinking about what you are saying before spouting nonsense please.[/p][/quote]And YOU dumbfound ME! Another post that completely misses the point. See my previous post and a response at 9.54. I can't be bothered to type it all out again... Eastsussexhornet

3:03pm Wed 30 Jan 13

lutondown says...

Holly68 wrote:
I hear the Football League gave Watford a Points Deduction in December, but in order to keep it under the radar, Watford did a deal whereby GFZ would make numerous changes to the team in certain fixtures to low placed teams to effectively take the points deduction without wider public knowing. Sssssssshhhhhhhh ! 6 points deducted so far (Charlton and Bristol), only 4 more points to deduct, so expect 2 more lots of rotation that will result in 2 draw's, once we have then taken our 10 point deduction GFZ will then play his strongest team every week ...........

This is in fact complete rubbish OR could it be .....
Men in white coats coming for Holly methinks! FTZ
[quote][p][bold]Holly68[/bold] wrote: I hear the Football League gave Watford a Points Deduction in December, but in order to keep it under the radar, Watford did a deal whereby GFZ would make numerous changes to the team in certain fixtures to low placed teams to effectively take the points deduction without wider public knowing. Sssssssshhhhhhhh ! 6 points deducted so far (Charlton and Bristol), only 4 more points to deduct, so expect 2 more lots of rotation that will result in 2 draw's, once we have then taken our 10 point deduction GFZ will then play his strongest team every week ........... This is in fact complete rubbish OR could it be .....[/p][/quote]Men in white coats coming for Holly methinks! FTZ lutondown

3:15pm Wed 30 Jan 13

KeithMercer says...

Eastsussexhornet wrote:
KeithMercer wrote:
neil-bs wrote:
The disappointment is clearly written rather large today and Zola's remarks, rather misjudged in my opinion, have not helped. He is coming across as arrogant and though his arrogance based on his skills as a player helped to make him an absolute star in his playing days it may well not help him as a manager especially as he is extremely inexperienced.
Many of his followers after months of uttering hardly a word against him are today absolutely furious with him. I have to agree with some of what is being said but I do think he is a good manager, not brilliant, but good. Zola's big failing seems to be as a tactician. Some of you have referred to his lack of a plan B. His use of substitutes is not often gamechanging. Last night knowing that he was in trouble he should have made changes earlier, at the latest halftime. A manager's job is to get the best out of the players he has available whatever the ability of the players. I am not sure he is achieving this at the moment.
However the important thing is to get the points in the bag especially in the position we are at the moment. If only... is useless but it is a fact that the 6 points thrown away in the games against Charlton and Bristol City would have put us in 2nd place only 5 points behind Cardiff and 5 points ahead of 3rd and 4th., 13 points in front of 7th placed Brighton. An absolutely immense psychological advantage for Watford. And if we are going to get a points penalty it will be good to have them already in the bag. I think stylistically Zola is good but tactically whether on or off the field perhaps not quite so good. Going into matches against clubs like Palace, Cardiff, Hull, Leicester, Burnley etc. knowing that a draw is not a disaster must be quite a good feeling.
You dumbfound me !!
So if we had taken 6 points from Charlton and Bristol we would be 2nd and just 5 points behind Cardiff blah blah blah !! But no mention of fantastic away wins at Brighton, Middlesborough and Forest . Of course in your mind they were just to be expected and we should win every game.
By your reckoning we should have about 80 points by now and already promoted.
Try thinking about what you are saying before spouting nonsense please.
And YOU dumbfound ME! Another post that completely misses the point. See my previous post and a response at 9.54. I can't be bothered to type it all out again...
You got that right Eastsussex ! why waste your time re writing all that drivel again .
We lost now grow some and get over it.
[quote][p][bold]Eastsussexhornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KeithMercer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]neil-bs[/bold] wrote: The disappointment is clearly written rather large today and Zola's remarks, rather misjudged in my opinion, have not helped. He is coming across as arrogant and though his arrogance based on his skills as a player helped to make him an absolute star in his playing days it may well not help him as a manager especially as he is extremely inexperienced. Many of his followers after months of uttering hardly a word against him are today absolutely furious with him. I have to agree with some of what is being said but I do think he is a good manager, not brilliant, but good. Zola's big failing seems to be as a tactician. Some of you have referred to his lack of a plan B. His use of substitutes is not often gamechanging. Last night knowing that he was in trouble he should have made changes earlier, at the latest halftime. A manager's job is to get the best out of the players he has available whatever the ability of the players. I am not sure he is achieving this at the moment. However the important thing is to get the points in the bag especially in the position we are at the moment. If only... is useless but it is a fact that the 6 points thrown away in the games against Charlton and Bristol City would have put us in 2nd place only 5 points behind Cardiff and 5 points ahead of 3rd and 4th., 13 points in front of 7th placed Brighton. An absolutely immense psychological advantage for Watford. And if we are going to get a points penalty it will be good to have them already in the bag. I think stylistically Zola is good but tactically whether on or off the field perhaps not quite so good. Going into matches against clubs like Palace, Cardiff, Hull, Leicester, Burnley etc. knowing that a draw is not a disaster must be quite a good feeling.[/p][/quote]You dumbfound me !! So if we had taken 6 points from Charlton and Bristol we would be 2nd and just 5 points behind Cardiff blah blah blah !! But no mention of fantastic away wins at Brighton, Middlesborough and Forest . Of course in your mind they were just to be expected and we should win every game. By your reckoning we should have about 80 points by now and already promoted. Try thinking about what you are saying before spouting nonsense please.[/p][/quote]And YOU dumbfound ME! Another post that completely misses the point. See my previous post and a response at 9.54. I can't be bothered to type it all out again...[/p][/quote]You got that right Eastsussex ! why waste your time re writing all that drivel again . We lost now grow some and get over it. KeithMercer

3:16pm Wed 30 Jan 13

londomollari says...

lutondown wrote:
JohnnyHornet wrote:
llloydwithathirdl wrote:
Oh, and Murray needs to go out on loan desperately.
And lose 4 stone.
He didn't look fat to be fair, he looked flat, devoid of ideas, he made our defence nervy. He needs to go out on loan somewhere far away for his own good, and so that GFZ doesn't have these mad brain storms and pick him.
Absolutly agree. Murray needs to be removed from his comfort zone, his mates and the local pub.
[quote][p][bold]lutondown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JohnnyHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]llloydwithathirdl[/bold] wrote: Oh, and Murray needs to go out on loan desperately.[/p][/quote]And lose 4 stone.[/p][/quote]He didn't look fat to be fair, he looked flat, devoid of ideas, he made our defence nervy. He needs to go out on loan somewhere far away for his own good, and so that GFZ doesn't have these mad brain storms and pick him.[/p][/quote]Absolutly agree. Murray needs to be removed from his comfort zone, his mates and the local pub. londomollari

3:20pm Wed 30 Jan 13

Boosey says...

No quality in depth or is it? Was the six changes too much? Was it it the conplacency or the cockiness of the manager? Was it the attitude of the players? Did any of the six picked, get any bad vibes of the six who were dropped? All those combined would result in a loss. but in a nutshell they fooked it up on the night and no one tell me it's not all bad news cos the scum lost as well, I don't care about them. Roll on Saturday, a few beers and a win and I'll be smiling again.
No quality in depth or is it? Was the six changes too much? Was it it the conplacency or the cockiness of the manager? Was it the attitude of the players? Did any of the six picked, get any bad vibes of the six who were dropped? All those combined would result in a loss. but in a nutshell they fooked it up on the night and no one tell me it's not all bad news cos the scum lost as well, I don't care about them. Roll on Saturday, a few beers and a win and I'll be smiling again. Boosey

3:23pm Wed 30 Jan 13

lutondown says...

Boosey wrote:
No quality in depth or is it? Was the six changes too much? Was it it the conplacency or the cockiness of the manager? Was it the attitude of the players? Did any of the six picked, get any bad vibes of the six who were dropped? All those combined would result in a loss. but in a nutshell they fooked it up on the night and no one tell me it's not all bad news cos the scum lost as well, I don't care about them. Roll on Saturday, a few beers and a win and I'll be smiling again.
Yes on reflection the six changes on the night was too much, but the same principle brought us resounding wins at Leeds and Wednesday.
One crumb of comfort, only one team can beat us, and that is US when we mess up.
4-5 pints puts this right, I'll be banging on the door!
[quote][p][bold]Boosey[/bold] wrote: No quality in depth or is it? Was the six changes too much? Was it it the conplacency or the cockiness of the manager? Was it the attitude of the players? Did any of the six picked, get any bad vibes of the six who were dropped? All those combined would result in a loss. but in a nutshell they fooked it up on the night and no one tell me it's not all bad news cos the scum lost as well, I don't care about them. Roll on Saturday, a few beers and a win and I'll be smiling again.[/p][/quote]Yes on reflection the six changes on the night was too much, but the same principle brought us resounding wins at Leeds and Wednesday. One crumb of comfort, only one team can beat us, and that is US when we mess up. 4-5 pints puts this right, I'll be banging on the door! lutondown

3:28pm Wed 30 Jan 13

Larrythe Loafer 'Orn says...

There were several quite crucial factors last night and I travelled to that game.
1. BC have a new manager in SD, they beat Ipswich on Saturday and Driscoll knows how to play the new WFC after his defeat at Forest.
2. IMHO 6 changes is too many because those coming in are not ever going to be playing with those other 5 again, change2 or3 and they will be able to learn how to slot into our formation, that's a positive coaching move.
3 If you change at most 3 you can sort it out with the substitutes - cant change 6!
4 Think about the fans who left work early, travelled sometimes 3 hrs+ to be at the game and then are absolutely p****d off as soon as the team are announced.

By all means rotate the squad, after all asking players to work for 3 x 90 minute sessions ( I didst say playing time) is a lot to ask especially when most of the crowd work 40hrs a week plus for a fraction of the wages.

Finally, what did they do with the warm weather training when we didn't manage to get one dead ball cross anywhere near the target? Why? I don't believe the other unchanged 6 players were any happier with the decision than the supporters were.
He did it against Charlton, he did it last night and says we have to learn. Then says he will do it again! Madness.

I love what he is doing - I think the two un named coaches need some recognition too - but come on Mr Z play to our strengths with an eye to the squad rather than play to the squad with blinkers on
There were several quite crucial factors last night and I travelled to that game. 1. BC have a new manager in SD, they beat Ipswich on Saturday and Driscoll knows how to play the new WFC after his defeat at Forest. 2. IMHO 6 changes is too many because those coming in are not ever going to be playing with those other 5 again, change2 or3 and they will be able to learn how to slot into our formation, that's a positive coaching move. 3 If you change at most 3 you can sort it out with the substitutes - cant change 6! 4 Think about the fans who left work early, travelled sometimes 3 hrs+ to be at the game and then are absolutely p****d off as soon as the team are announced. By all means rotate the squad, after all asking players to work for 3 x 90 minute sessions ( I didst say playing time) is a lot to ask especially when most of the crowd work 40hrs a week plus for a fraction of the wages. Finally, what did they do with the warm weather training when we didn't manage to get one dead ball cross anywhere near the target? Why? I don't believe the other unchanged 6 players were any happier with the decision than the supporters were. He did it against Charlton, he did it last night and says we have to learn. Then says he will do it again! Madness. I love what he is doing - I think the two un named coaches need some recognition too - but come on Mr Z play to our strengths with an eye to the squad rather than play to the squad with blinkers on Larrythe Loafer 'Orn

3:51pm Wed 30 Jan 13

Boosey says...

Still fuming!
Still fuming! Boosey

3:54pm Wed 30 Jan 13

onion8837 says...

napoleorn wrote:
Is it just me or are our supporters turning into fickle Arsenal fans? Before you ask, no i wasn't there last night, but I have followed the side for over 30 years home and away, so I think I have the right to comment.
Comments like "let us know what side we are putting out so I can decide to go or not" frankly beggar belief. Yes, six changes were probably too many, but, i'm a supporter of Watford Football Club, not Vydra united or Chalobah City, the players turning out last night are still some of the best players the club has had over the last 20 odd years,If you had ever seen the likes of Devon White, Trevor Senior et al, you'd know what a blessed position we are in at the moment. We got turned over last night by a side fighting for their careers under a new manager. It happens. Nobody likes to see their side lose but let's not turn into a set of supporters who only turn up when we're guranteed a win, or is that why so many of you are rattle throwing today?
yes, I don't care whether we win lose or draw on Saturday becasue we are doing better than we did in 1992
[quote][p][bold]napoleorn[/bold] wrote: Is it just me or are our supporters turning into fickle Arsenal fans? Before you ask, no i wasn't there last night, but I have followed the side for over 30 years home and away, so I think I have the right to comment. Comments like "let us know what side we are putting out so I can decide to go or not" frankly beggar belief. Yes, six changes were probably too many, but, i'm a supporter of Watford Football Club, not Vydra united or Chalobah City, the players turning out last night are still some of the best players the club has had over the last 20 odd years,If you had ever seen the likes of Devon White, Trevor Senior et al, you'd know what a blessed position we are in at the moment. We got turned over last night by a side fighting for their careers under a new manager. It happens. Nobody likes to see their side lose but let's not turn into a set of supporters who only turn up when we're guranteed a win, or is that why so many of you are rattle throwing today?[/p][/quote]yes, I don't care whether we win lose or draw on Saturday becasue we are doing better than we did in 1992 onion8837

4:05pm Wed 30 Jan 13

SAHornet says...

bushey tales wrote:
Just an observation, but we don't seem to win, or even score, all that often when Forestieri plays. He's clearly very talented but most of the really good wins - Palace, Leeds, Brighton, Boro, Forest etc - seem to have come without him being involved. Personally I much prefer the speed and precision of Vydra to the remarkable trickery of Forestieri and maybe the stats bear that out? He's certainly contributed little since signing that extraordinary, Pardewesque contract. Has anybody looked at the numbers?
Haven't looked at the numbers but agree with you about FF
[quote][p][bold]bushey tales[/bold] wrote: Just an observation, but we don't seem to win, or even score, all that often when Forestieri plays. He's clearly very talented but most of the really good wins - Palace, Leeds, Brighton, Boro, Forest etc - seem to have come without him being involved. Personally I much prefer the speed and precision of Vydra to the remarkable trickery of Forestieri and maybe the stats bear that out? He's certainly contributed little since signing that extraordinary, Pardewesque contract. Has anybody looked at the numbers?[/p][/quote]Haven't looked at the numbers but agree with you about FF SAHornet

4:12pm Wed 30 Jan 13

SAHornet says...

Holly68 wrote:
I hear the Football League gave Watford a Points Deduction in December, but in order to keep it under the radar, Watford did a deal whereby GFZ would make numerous changes to the team in certain fixtures to low placed teams to effectively take the points deduction without wider public knowing. Sssssssshhhhhhhh ! 6 points deducted so far (Charlton and Bristol), only 4 more points to deduct, so expect 2 more lots of rotation that will result in 2 draw's, once we have then taken our 10 point deduction GFZ will then play his strongest team every week ...........

This is in fact complete rubbish OR could it be .....
Hahaha, nice one Holly
[quote][p][bold]Holly68[/bold] wrote: I hear the Football League gave Watford a Points Deduction in December, but in order to keep it under the radar, Watford did a deal whereby GFZ would make numerous changes to the team in certain fixtures to low placed teams to effectively take the points deduction without wider public knowing. Sssssssshhhhhhhh ! 6 points deducted so far (Charlton and Bristol), only 4 more points to deduct, so expect 2 more lots of rotation that will result in 2 draw's, once we have then taken our 10 point deduction GFZ will then play his strongest team every week ........... This is in fact complete rubbish OR could it be .....[/p][/quote]Hahaha, nice one Holly SAHornet

4:19pm Wed 30 Jan 13

SAHornet says...

2 points from a non-attending fan -

1) We had no width in the team and were therefore unable to stretch their packed defence at all. Missed Cassetti and Battochio in this regard.

2) How long now have fans been saying NEVER to play Hogg & Eustace together in midfield......nuff said
2 points from a non-attending fan - 1) We had no width in the team and were therefore unable to stretch their packed defence at all. Missed Cassetti and Battochio in this regard. 2) How long now have fans been saying NEVER to play Hogg & Eustace together in midfield......nuff said SAHornet

4:42pm Wed 30 Jan 13

KeithMercer says...

You will be pleased to hear that I am not going to say anymore about last night as I think we have all made our points and will have to agree to disagree .
But I find it interesting that when we have a great victory there will be about 70/80 postings by this time on the forum. But then when we have a loss its almost double the amount of people who cant wait to throw the toys out of the pram .This tells me something but I will keep that to myself as I am sure you have had more than enough of me by now . Cheers guys and lets hope its normal service resumed at the weekend .
You will be pleased to hear that I am not going to say anymore about last night as I think we have all made our points and will have to agree to disagree . But I find it interesting that when we have a great victory there will be about 70/80 postings by this time on the forum. But then when we have a loss its almost double the amount of people who cant wait to throw the toys out of the pram .This tells me something but I will keep that to myself as I am sure you have had more than enough of me by now . Cheers guys and lets hope its normal service resumed at the weekend . KeithMercer

4:54pm Wed 30 Jan 13

lutondown says...

SAHornet wrote:
bushey tales wrote:
Just an observation, but we don't seem to win, or even score, all that often when Forestieri plays. He's clearly very talented but most of the really good wins - Palace, Leeds, Brighton, Boro, Forest etc - seem to have come without him being involved. Personally I much prefer the speed and precision of Vydra to the remarkable trickery of Forestieri and maybe the stats bear that out? He's certainly contributed little since signing that extraordinary, Pardewesque contract. Has anybody looked at the numbers?
Haven't looked at the numbers but agree with you about FF
I'm sorry SAH I have watched everyone of his games, not picked negative bits of press about him. He was not the guilty one last night by a long shot.
Wails, you little Englander you ...from a big Englander
[quote][p][bold]SAHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bushey tales[/bold] wrote: Just an observation, but we don't seem to win, or even score, all that often when Forestieri plays. He's clearly very talented but most of the really good wins - Palace, Leeds, Brighton, Boro, Forest etc - seem to have come without him being involved. Personally I much prefer the speed and precision of Vydra to the remarkable trickery of Forestieri and maybe the stats bear that out? He's certainly contributed little since signing that extraordinary, Pardewesque contract. Has anybody looked at the numbers?[/p][/quote]Haven't looked at the numbers but agree with you about FF[/p][/quote]I'm sorry SAH I have watched everyone of his games, not picked negative bits of press about him. He was not the guilty one last night by a long shot. Wails, you little Englander you ...from a big Englander lutondown

4:55pm Wed 30 Jan 13

lutondown says...

Boosey wrote:
Still fuming!
Well calm down, and book someone
[quote][p][bold]Boosey[/bold] wrote: Still fuming![/p][/quote]Well calm down, and book someone lutondown

5:07pm Wed 30 Jan 13

onion8837 says...

KeithMercer wrote:
You will be pleased to hear that I am not going to say anymore about last night as I think we have all made our points and will have to agree to disagree .
But I find it interesting that when we have a great victory there will be about 70/80 postings by this time on the forum. But then when we have a loss its almost double the amount of people who cant wait to throw the toys out of the pram .This tells me something but I will keep that to myself as I am sure you have had more than enough of me by now . Cheers guys and lets hope its normal service resumed at the weekend .
When we win, everyone agrees, when we lose there is lots of disagreement. Very simple really and kind of the point of having a discussion forum - would be very dull if one person posted and everyone else just posted : Yes, I agree

Most of the discussion / debate seems to be between those who went last night (and therefore feel rather let down, myself included) vs those who did not whose attitude is "you can't win them all" (this is of course true but we can do without self-inflicted wounds IMHO)
[quote][p][bold]KeithMercer[/bold] wrote: You will be pleased to hear that I am not going to say anymore about last night as I think we have all made our points and will have to agree to disagree . But I find it interesting that when we have a great victory there will be about 70/80 postings by this time on the forum. But then when we have a loss its almost double the amount of people who cant wait to throw the toys out of the pram .This tells me something but I will keep that to myself as I am sure you have had more than enough of me by now . Cheers guys and lets hope its normal service resumed at the weekend .[/p][/quote]When we win, everyone agrees, when we lose there is lots of disagreement. Very simple really and kind of the point of having a discussion forum - would be very dull if one person posted and everyone else just posted : Yes, I agree Most of the discussion / debate seems to be between those who went last night (and therefore feel rather let down, myself included) vs those who did not whose attitude is "you can't win them all" (this is of course true but we can do without self-inflicted wounds IMHO) onion8837

5:50pm Wed 30 Jan 13

N Joydegame says...

Everyone is disappointed with the result, particularly those loyal fans who made the 220 mile round trip.

But GFZ has to rotate the squad and accepts that sometimes results wont go our way. Its just not feasible to play your strongest squad for every game. Players do suffer fatigue and its GFZ's job to get the most from his squad. He needs his best 11 to be 'cooking on gas' for the run-in where so many teams fail, Cardiff for one peter out regularly because there players are knackered. The seasons 46 games long and we can't win them all. Take the set-back on the chin and move on to Saturday and 'hopefully' 3 points.

The bright side is we're 4th, we're playing some of the best football ever, we've got a great squad, manager, back-up team, owners. We're not selling our best players and 'hopefully' our loanee stars will be on the books by tomorrow evening. Please!

U'Orns
Everyone is disappointed with the result, particularly those loyal fans who made the 220 mile round trip. But GFZ has to rotate the squad and accepts that sometimes results wont go our way. Its just not feasible to play your strongest squad for every game. Players do suffer fatigue and its GFZ's job to get the most from his squad. He needs his best 11 to be 'cooking on gas' for the run-in where so many teams fail, Cardiff for one peter out regularly because there players are knackered. The seasons 46 games long and we can't win them all. Take the set-back on the chin and move on to Saturday and 'hopefully' 3 points. The bright side is we're 4th, we're playing some of the best football ever, we've got a great squad, manager, back-up team, owners. We're not selling our best players and 'hopefully' our loanee stars will be on the books by tomorrow evening. Please! U'Orns N Joydegame

5:56pm Wed 30 Jan 13

Big Cliff was King says...

It is difficult enough to find one team that can get promotion from the Championship. To think that we have two such teams is perhaps bordering on the arrogant .
It is difficult enough to find one team that can get promotion from the Championship. To think that we have two such teams is perhaps bordering on the arrogant . Big Cliff was King

5:58pm Wed 30 Jan 13

lutondown says...

Just for balance it would be great to see all the posters who are ever eager to jump on GFZs back after each loss appear after a win. No thought not.
Just for balance it would be great to see all the posters who are ever eager to jump on GFZs back after each loss appear after a win. No thought not. lutondown

6:26pm Wed 30 Jan 13

Hampshire hornet says...

FF was our best player by a mile ... He never gave up...won a number of free kicks.. Many within Abdi range... What did happen on the Costa? I knowit wasn't set piece work...
Another quick note... He didn't dive, think the message has got out there, he stayed on his feet for the majority of challenges... Interesting that we had 3 players booked to none from BC.. Yet I think we had more free kicks...
FF was our best player by a mile ... He never gave up...won a number of free kicks.. Many within Abdi range... What did happen on the Costa? I knowit wasn't set piece work... Another quick note... He didn't dive, think the message has got out there, he stayed on his feet for the majority of challenges... Interesting that we had 3 players booked to none from BC.. Yet I think we had more free kicks... Hampshire hornet

6:33pm Wed 30 Jan 13

John Howard Norfolk says...

It was disrespectful to Britol City to rest six of our first team - and they took the opportunity to get what should have been our three points.
It was disrespectful to Britol City to rest six of our first team - and they took the opportunity to get what should have been our three points. John Howard Norfolk

6:41pm Wed 30 Jan 13

buck-stops says...

Couple of points...
Firstly, the players who came will be disappointed with their performances especially as (Eustace and Murray aside) they've shown us what they can do this season.

Secondly, there's no guarantee the six that were rotated out would have played well. They would have had to cope with the same conditions and same negative opposition.

I'm not a fan of rotation but I do understand it and in the long term it should leave us with an edge over others.

In the main when changes have been made this season, we've still got good results...
Couple of points... Firstly, the players who came will be disappointed with their performances especially as (Eustace and Murray aside) they've shown us what they can do this season. Secondly, there's no guarantee the six that were rotated out would have played well. They would have had to cope with the same conditions and same negative opposition. I'm not a fan of rotation but I do understand it and in the long term it should leave us with an edge over others. In the main when changes have been made this season, we've still got good results... buck-stops

7:31pm Wed 30 Jan 13

Mangoputney says...

lutondown wrote:
buckler wrote:
Think yourself lucky! Think I've got mad cow disease after the vile half pounder LD forced me to eat. Think Sean Murrarys dad might have had the same the way he stormed out the ground early, I wonder Why?
No Buck you gave the burger mad cow disease, and judging the vile smell coming from you, it seems the poor cow was dying all over again in your stomach. Yuk
Sean Murray burgers @ Tesco's?
[quote][p][bold]lutondown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buckler[/bold] wrote: Think yourself lucky! Think I've got mad cow disease after the vile half pounder LD forced me to eat. Think Sean Murrarys dad might have had the same the way he stormed out the ground early, I wonder Why?[/p][/quote]No Buck you gave the burger mad cow disease, and judging the vile smell coming from you, it seems the poor cow was dying all over again in your stomach. Yuk[/p][/quote]Sean Murray burgers @ Tesco's? Mangoputney

7:34pm Wed 30 Jan 13

Hampshire hornet says...

To be sure ... To be sure
To be sure ... To be sure Hampshire hornet

9:25pm Wed 30 Jan 13

tristiang says...

Loving Zola but after the Bristol defeat he has said changing so many players had nothing to do with loosing, sorry Zola have to disagree. He has also said it’s trying to keep every 1 happy and the next time we have 2 games which are just a few days apart that he will do the same again and change the team... Well all I can say is, if we are in the playoffs at the end of the season I really hope he has realised by then that rotation is not the best policy (the playoff 2 leg semi final comes to mind)
Loving Zola but after the Bristol defeat he has said changing so many players had nothing to do with loosing, sorry Zola have to disagree. He has also said it’s trying to keep every 1 happy and the next time we have 2 games which are just a few days apart that he will do the same again and change the team... Well all I can say is, if we are in the playoffs at the end of the season I really hope he has realised by then that rotation is not the best policy (the playoff 2 leg semi final comes to mind) tristiang

9:33am Thu 31 Jan 13

PedroHornet says...

I feel sorry for the supporters who went to Bristol only to be short changed by watching a performance which should have been so much better had a stronger team been selected. Zola said he warned his team about complacency, but he was most guilty himself of being complacent because of the weaker team he selected underestimating the motivation and determined spirit of the City squad. He mentioned many times that the team is continuing to learn, even if it means losing the odd match or two, but he leads that team and hopefully he has learnt from his own mistakes.
I feel sorry for the supporters who went to Bristol only to be short changed by watching a performance which should have been so much better had a stronger team been selected. Zola said he warned his team about complacency, but he was most guilty himself of being complacent because of the weaker team he selected underestimating the motivation and determined spirit of the City squad. He mentioned many times that the team is continuing to learn, even if it means losing the odd match or two, but he leads that team and hopefully he has learnt from his own mistakes. PedroHornet

10:21am Thu 31 Jan 13

SAHornet says...

neil-bs wrote:
The disappointment is clearly written rather large today and Zola's remarks, rather misjudged in my opinion, have not helped. He is coming across as arrogant and though his arrogance based on his skills as a player helped to make him an absolute star in his playing days it may well not help him as a manager especially as he is extremely inexperienced.
Many of his followers after months of uttering hardly a word against him are today absolutely furious with him. I have to agree with some of what is being said but I do think he is a good manager, not brilliant, but good. Zola's big failing seems to be as a tactician. Some of you have referred to his lack of a plan B. His use of substitutes is not often gamechanging. Last night knowing that he was in trouble he should have made changes earlier, at the latest halftime. A manager's job is to get the best out of the players he has available whatever the ability of the players. I am not sure he is achieving this at the moment.
However the important thing is to get the points in the bag especially in the position we are at the moment. If only... is useless but it is a fact that the 6 points thrown away in the games against Charlton and Bristol City would have put us in 2nd place only 5 points behind Cardiff and 5 points ahead of 3rd and 4th., 13 points in front of 7th placed Brighton. An absolutely immense psychological advantage for Watford. And if we are going to get a points penalty it will be good to have them already in the bag. I think stylistically Zola is good but tactically whether on or off the field perhaps not quite so good. Going into matches against clubs like Palace, Cardiff, Hull, Leicester, Burnley etc. knowing that a draw is not a disaster must be quite a good feeling.
Very good post this one. Zola is still learning but there's the rub ! He needs to take on board mistakes made and rectify them and not repeat them in the future. I think he has the humility to do this.

Those 6 points lost could easily be the undoing of us later so let's not minimize this unfortunate situation but now is the time to move on Pozzotively.
[quote][p][bold]neil-bs[/bold] wrote: The disappointment is clearly written rather large today and Zola's remarks, rather misjudged in my opinion, have not helped. He is coming across as arrogant and though his arrogance based on his skills as a player helped to make him an absolute star in his playing days it may well not help him as a manager especially as he is extremely inexperienced. Many of his followers after months of uttering hardly a word against him are today absolutely furious with him. I have to agree with some of what is being said but I do think he is a good manager, not brilliant, but good. Zola's big failing seems to be as a tactician. Some of you have referred to his lack of a plan B. His use of substitutes is not often gamechanging. Last night knowing that he was in trouble he should have made changes earlier, at the latest halftime. A manager's job is to get the best out of the players he has available whatever the ability of the players. I am not sure he is achieving this at the moment. However the important thing is to get the points in the bag especially in the position we are at the moment. If only... is useless but it is a fact that the 6 points thrown away in the games against Charlton and Bristol City would have put us in 2nd place only 5 points behind Cardiff and 5 points ahead of 3rd and 4th., 13 points in front of 7th placed Brighton. An absolutely immense psychological advantage for Watford. And if we are going to get a points penalty it will be good to have them already in the bag. I think stylistically Zola is good but tactically whether on or off the field perhaps not quite so good. Going into matches against clubs like Palace, Cardiff, Hull, Leicester, Burnley etc. knowing that a draw is not a disaster must be quite a good feeling.[/p][/quote]Very good post this one. Zola is still learning but there's the rub ! He needs to take on board mistakes made and rectify them and not repeat them in the future. I think he has the humility to do this. Those 6 points lost could easily be the undoing of us later so let's not minimize this unfortunate situation but now is the time to move on Pozzotively. SAHornet

11:36am Thu 31 Jan 13

Harry's Bar says...

SAHornet wrote:
neil-bs wrote: The disappointment is clearly written rather large today and Zola's remarks, rather misjudged in my opinion, have not helped. He is coming across as arrogant and though his arrogance based on his skills as a player helped to make him an absolute star in his playing days it may well not help him as a manager especially as he is extremely inexperienced. Many of his followers after months of uttering hardly a word against him are today absolutely furious with him. I have to agree with some of what is being said but I do think he is a good manager, not brilliant, but good. Zola's big failing seems to be as a tactician. Some of you have referred to his lack of a plan B. His use of substitutes is not often gamechanging. Last night knowing that he was in trouble he should have made changes earlier, at the latest halftime. A manager's job is to get the best out of the players he has available whatever the ability of the players. I am not sure he is achieving this at the moment. However the important thing is to get the points in the bag especially in the position we are at the moment. If only... is useless but it is a fact that the 6 points thrown away in the games against Charlton and Bristol City would have put us in 2nd place only 5 points behind Cardiff and 5 points ahead of 3rd and 4th., 13 points in front of 7th placed Brighton. An absolutely immense psychological advantage for Watford. And if we are going to get a points penalty it will be good to have them already in the bag. I think stylistically Zola is good but tactically whether on or off the field perhaps not quite so good. Going into matches against clubs like Palace, Cardiff, Hull, Leicester, Burnley etc. knowing that a draw is not a disaster must be quite a good feeling.
Very good post this one. Zola is still learning but there's the rub ! He needs to take on board mistakes made and rectify them and not repeat them in the future. I think he has the humility to do this. Those 6 points lost could easily be the undoing of us later so let's not minimize this unfortunate situation but now is the time to move on Pozzotively.
Very good post? Why let the truth get in the way of a "good post".
[quote][p][bold]SAHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]neil-bs[/bold] wrote: The disappointment is clearly written rather large today and Zola's remarks, rather misjudged in my opinion, have not helped. He is coming across as arrogant and though his arrogance based on his skills as a player helped to make him an absolute star in his playing days it may well not help him as a manager especially as he is extremely inexperienced. Many of his followers after months of uttering hardly a word against him are today absolutely furious with him. I have to agree with some of what is being said but I do think he is a good manager, not brilliant, but good. Zola's big failing seems to be as a tactician. Some of you have referred to his lack of a plan B. His use of substitutes is not often gamechanging. Last night knowing that he was in trouble he should have made changes earlier, at the latest halftime. A manager's job is to get the best out of the players he has available whatever the ability of the players. I am not sure he is achieving this at the moment. However the important thing is to get the points in the bag especially in the position we are at the moment. If only... is useless but it is a fact that the 6 points thrown away in the games against Charlton and Bristol City would have put us in 2nd place only 5 points behind Cardiff and 5 points ahead of 3rd and 4th., 13 points in front of 7th placed Brighton. An absolutely immense psychological advantage for Watford. And if we are going to get a points penalty it will be good to have them already in the bag. I think stylistically Zola is good but tactically whether on or off the field perhaps not quite so good. Going into matches against clubs like Palace, Cardiff, Hull, Leicester, Burnley etc. knowing that a draw is not a disaster must be quite a good feeling.[/p][/quote]Very good post this one. Zola is still learning but there's the rub ! He needs to take on board mistakes made and rectify them and not repeat them in the future. I think he has the humility to do this. Those 6 points lost could easily be the undoing of us later so let's not minimize this unfortunate situation but now is the time to move on Pozzotively.[/p][/quote]Very good post? Why let the truth get in the way of a "good post". Harry's Bar

12:43pm Thu 31 Jan 13

Michael Sills says...

Chris the Vic wrote:
Agree Michael we have to move forward.
Cheers Chris the Vic glad you agree.
[quote][p][bold]Chris the Vic[/bold] wrote: Agree Michael we have to move forward.[/p][/quote]Cheers Chris the Vic glad you agree. Michael Sills

2:23pm Thu 31 Jan 13

lutondown says...

Harry's Bar wrote:
SAHornet wrote:
neil-bs wrote: The disappointment is clearly written rather large today and Zola's remarks, rather misjudged in my opinion, have not helped. He is coming across as arrogant and though his arrogance based on his skills as a player helped to make him an absolute star in his playing days it may well not help him as a manager especially as he is extremely inexperienced. Many of his followers after months of uttering hardly a word against him are today absolutely furious with him. I have to agree with some of what is being said but I do think he is a good manager, not brilliant, but good. Zola's big failing seems to be as a tactician. Some of you have referred to his lack of a plan B. His use of substitutes is not often gamechanging. Last night knowing that he was in trouble he should have made changes earlier, at the latest halftime. A manager's job is to get the best out of the players he has available whatever the ability of the players. I am not sure he is achieving this at the moment. However the important thing is to get the points in the bag especially in the position we are at the moment. If only... is useless but it is a fact that the 6 points thrown away in the games against Charlton and Bristol City would have put us in 2nd place only 5 points behind Cardiff and 5 points ahead of 3rd and 4th., 13 points in front of 7th placed Brighton. An absolutely immense psychological advantage for Watford. And if we are going to get a points penalty it will be good to have them already in the bag. I think stylistically Zola is good but tactically whether on or off the field perhaps not quite so good. Going into matches against clubs like Palace, Cardiff, Hull, Leicester, Burnley etc. knowing that a draw is not a disaster must be quite a good feeling.
Very good post this one. Zola is still learning but there's the rub ! He needs to take on board mistakes made and rectify them and not repeat them in the future. I think he has the humility to do this. Those 6 points lost could easily be the undoing of us later so let's not minimize this unfortunate situation but now is the time to move on Pozzotively.
Very good post? Why let the truth get in the way of a "good post".
Yeah how? When was Zola arrogant as player or coach. Utter tosh, bring back Dyche or even better Boofers
[quote][p][bold]Harry's Bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]neil-bs[/bold] wrote: The disappointment is clearly written rather large today and Zola's remarks, rather misjudged in my opinion, have not helped. He is coming across as arrogant and though his arrogance based on his skills as a player helped to make him an absolute star in his playing days it may well not help him as a manager especially as he is extremely inexperienced. Many of his followers after months of uttering hardly a word against him are today absolutely furious with him. I have to agree with some of what is being said but I do think he is a good manager, not brilliant, but good. Zola's big failing seems to be as a tactician. Some of you have referred to his lack of a plan B. His use of substitutes is not often gamechanging. Last night knowing that he was in trouble he should have made changes earlier, at the latest halftime. A manager's job is to get the best out of the players he has available whatever the ability of the players. I am not sure he is achieving this at the moment. However the important thing is to get the points in the bag especially in the position we are at the moment. If only... is useless but it is a fact that the 6 points thrown away in the games against Charlton and Bristol City would have put us in 2nd place only 5 points behind Cardiff and 5 points ahead of 3rd and 4th., 13 points in front of 7th placed Brighton. An absolutely immense psychological advantage for Watford. And if we are going to get a points penalty it will be good to have them already in the bag. I think stylistically Zola is good but tactically whether on or off the field perhaps not quite so good. Going into matches against clubs like Palace, Cardiff, Hull, Leicester, Burnley etc. knowing that a draw is not a disaster must be quite a good feeling.[/p][/quote]Very good post this one. Zola is still learning but there's the rub ! He needs to take on board mistakes made and rectify them and not repeat them in the future. I think he has the humility to do this. Those 6 points lost could easily be the undoing of us later so let's not minimize this unfortunate situation but now is the time to move on Pozzotively.[/p][/quote]Very good post? Why let the truth get in the way of a "good post".[/p][/quote]Yeah how? When was Zola arrogant as player or coach. Utter tosh, bring back Dyche or even better Boofers lutondown

6:24pm Thu 31 Jan 13

Mangoputney says...

lutondown wrote:
Harry's Bar wrote:
SAHornet wrote:
neil-bs wrote: The disappointment is clearly written rather large today and Zola's remarks, rather misjudged in my opinion, have not helped. He is coming across as arrogant and though his arrogance based on his skills as a player helped to make him an absolute star in his playing days it may well not help him as a manager especially as he is extremely inexperienced. Many of his followers after months of uttering hardly a word against him are today absolutely furious with him. I have to agree with some of what is being said but I do think he is a good manager, not brilliant, but good. Zola's big failing seems to be as a tactician. Some of you have referred to his lack of a plan B. His use of substitutes is not often gamechanging. Last night knowing that he was in trouble he should have made changes earlier, at the latest halftime. A manager's job is to get the best out of the players he has available whatever the ability of the players. I am not sure he is achieving this at the moment. However the important thing is to get the points in the bag especially in the position we are at the moment. If only... is useless but it is a fact that the 6 points thrown away in the games against Charlton and Bristol City would have put us in 2nd place only 5 points behind Cardiff and 5 points ahead of 3rd and 4th., 13 points in front of 7th placed Brighton. An absolutely immense psychological advantage for Watford. And if we are going to get a points penalty it will be good to have them already in the bag. I think stylistically Zola is good but tactically whether on or off the field perhaps not quite so good. Going into matches against clubs like Palace, Cardiff, Hull, Leicester, Burnley etc. knowing that a draw is not a disaster must be quite a good feeling.
Very good post this one. Zola is still learning but there's the rub ! He needs to take on board mistakes made and rectify them and not repeat them in the future. I think he has the humility to do this. Those 6 points lost could easily be the undoing of us later so let's not minimize this unfortunate situation but now is the time to move on Pozzotively.
Very good post? Why let the truth get in the way of a "good post".
Yeah how? When was Zola arrogant as player or coach. Utter tosh, bring back Dyche or even better Boofers
My neck couldn't take it
[quote][p][bold]lutondown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harry's Bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]neil-bs[/bold] wrote: The disappointment is clearly written rather large today and Zola's remarks, rather misjudged in my opinion, have not helped. He is coming across as arrogant and though his arrogance based on his skills as a player helped to make him an absolute star in his playing days it may well not help him as a manager especially as he is extremely inexperienced. Many of his followers after months of uttering hardly a word against him are today absolutely furious with him. I have to agree with some of what is being said but I do think he is a good manager, not brilliant, but good. Zola's big failing seems to be as a tactician. Some of you have referred to his lack of a plan B. His use of substitutes is not often gamechanging. Last night knowing that he was in trouble he should have made changes earlier, at the latest halftime. A manager's job is to get the best out of the players he has available whatever the ability of the players. I am not sure he is achieving this at the moment. However the important thing is to get the points in the bag especially in the position we are at the moment. If only... is useless but it is a fact that the 6 points thrown away in the games against Charlton and Bristol City would have put us in 2nd place only 5 points behind Cardiff and 5 points ahead of 3rd and 4th., 13 points in front of 7th placed Brighton. An absolutely immense psychological advantage for Watford. And if we are going to get a points penalty it will be good to have them already in the bag. I think stylistically Zola is good but tactically whether on or off the field perhaps not quite so good. Going into matches against clubs like Palace, Cardiff, Hull, Leicester, Burnley etc. knowing that a draw is not a disaster must be quite a good feeling.[/p][/quote]Very good post this one. Zola is still learning but there's the rub ! He needs to take on board mistakes made and rectify them and not repeat them in the future. I think he has the humility to do this. Those 6 points lost could easily be the undoing of us later so let's not minimize this unfortunate situation but now is the time to move on Pozzotively.[/p][/quote]Very good post? Why let the truth get in the way of a "good post".[/p][/quote]Yeah how? When was Zola arrogant as player or coach. Utter tosh, bring back Dyche or even better Boofers[/p][/quote]My neck couldn't take it Mangoputney

9:07am Sat 2 Feb 13

JohnnyHornet says...

SAHornet wrote:
2 points from a non-attending fan -

1) We had no width in the team and were therefore unable to stretch their packed defence at all. Missed Cassetti and Battochio in this regard.

2) How long now have fans been saying NEVER to play Hogg & Eustace together in midfield......nuff said
Have to agree, I sat and watched all the extended highlights on Hornet Player since the beginning of November and we really missed Cassetti and Battochio who seemed to provide quality crosses all the time throughout the viewing session, mostly leading to chances and goals, didn't see too much of that on Tuesday.
[quote][p][bold]SAHornet[/bold] wrote: 2 points from a non-attending fan - 1) We had no width in the team and were therefore unable to stretch their packed defence at all. Missed Cassetti and Battochio in this regard. 2) How long now have fans been saying NEVER to play Hogg & Eustace together in midfield......nuff said[/p][/quote]Have to agree, I sat and watched all the extended highlights on Hornet Player since the beginning of November and we really missed Cassetti and Battochio who seemed to provide quality crosses all the time throughout the viewing session, mostly leading to chances and goals, didn't see too much of that on Tuesday. JohnnyHornet

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