Zola expects Deeney to stay at Watford (From Watford Observer)

I should hope so after the club stood by him.

Not sure the fact that the club 'stood by him' will cloud his financial judgment, but I understand your view. That would imply loyalty... and some would say Dyche was loyal by turning down Birmingham, only to be sacked... though in hindsight he probably now views that as a blessing, seeing as Burnley are a better bet than Brum these days.

In a nutshell, he will sign if he considers the deal good enough. If we were to be promoted, would he get many games? Zola seems to think he has the ability. So, if the Villa rumours are true, there lies his decision: the bitter rivals of the team he supports, or Watford... though who knows which team will/will not be in the top flight.

The club didn't stand by him, the club chose not to throw away a commercial asset. There was no moral aspect to the decision whatsoever. If he'd not been in good form prior to being banged up we would have sacked him.

Colin West's mullet wrote:
The club didn't stand by him, the club chose not to throw away a commercial asset. There was no moral aspect to the decision whatsoever. If he'd not been in good form prior to being banged up we would have sacked him.

I almost agree with you. Certainly no moral aspects to this at all. But, I still think we would have kept him if only to sell him. The commercial reality.

I think we are going to have to "sharpen our pencils" as other clubs can spend the fee they would normally pay for a player like Troy on his wages instead, meaning he will get v attractive wage offers.

For example, what is Troy's market value, say conservatively £3M at present.

If another club doesn't have to pay this amount as he is free agent in summer, £3M is effectively £20K a week on a 3 year deal as a starting point .... There are several clubs in championship alone that could afford this

So it's not about loyalty, Troy served his punishment, it's all in past, he has given 110% every game, that has been his loyalty/commitment, he has been instrumental in the team spirit.

He has earned the right to a decent new contract, his personality and down to earth outlook suggests to me that he won't hold Watford to ransom OR expect Watford to match highest other offers, but will expect an offer in line with his market value and contribution to the team, just as we all would in our jobs ......

If Zola states he wants him to stay and he can play in Prem then hopefully the club will make Troy an offer to close this off and put to bed in near future and further sends a message on intent

Verse 1 :

See Watford's stars,
Look how they shine for you,
And everything you do,
We are all yellow.

Verse 2 :

We come along,
We sing this song for you,
And all the things you do,
We are all "Yellow".

Verse 3 :

Your skills,
Oh yeah your skill and goals,
Turn in,
to something beautiful,
You know,
you know I love you so,
You know I love you soo ...

Under the old regime we would certainly have lost him this summer. In fact we would have sold him in Jan for £500k-£750k in a buyers market.

Hopefully with a little financial help from Italy we will be able to offer terms that are attractive enough to retain him.

got back late on Sunday from Brum and still recouvering from the excitement, what a great weekend.
- so what team for Ipswich? I hope that we can get a couple of our crock centre backs of the sick bed, one would have to think long and hard about a long term contract for Hall.
sure he is a good player when fit but as previously stated he misses about 60% of the season from injury.
are there any younger and fitter versions out there?

right, another 3 points on Tuesday boys COYH.

Colin West's mullet wrote:
The club didn't stand by him, the club chose not to throw away a commercial asset. There was no moral aspect to the decision whatsoever. If he'd not been in good form prior to being banged up we would have sacked him.

In your opinion.

endean2 wrote:
got back late on Sunday from Brum and still recouvering from the excitement, what a great weekend.
- so what team for Ipswich? I hope that we can get a couple of our crock centre backs of the sick bed, one would have to think long and hard about a long term contract for Hall.
sure he is a good player when fit but as previously stated he misses about 60% of the season from injury.
are there any younger and fitter versions out there?

right, another 3 points on Tuesday boys COYH.

Understand your point but of all the centre backs in that squad he would be the first on the team sheet when fit - so its a tricky one.

Deeney lets hope we keep him or (and dare I say) if we dont go up offer him a long contract with Udinese or Granada - we can guarantee top flight football - somewhere in Europe.

Just goes to show the impact of the premier league doesnt it? Years ago, players stayed at clubs due to loyalty. Now its who has the biggest cheque book.

I think he will probably stay IF we get promoted otherwise I am not so sure.It would be hard to ignore a Premership offer when you are at the top of your form.Another year in the Championship? I doubt it.

Troy should stay at Watford as he will benefit from the fact that he will get games with us!
Who are these Prem sides? Villa.. Rubbish... Wigan.... Rubbish!

Holly68 wrote:
Verse 1 : See Watford's stars, Look how they shine for you, And everything you do, We are all yellow. Verse 2 : We come along, We sing this song for you, And all the things you do, We are all "Yellow". Verse 3 : Your skills, Oh yeah your skill and goals, Turn in, to something beautiful, You know, you know I love you so, You know I love you soo ...

Why?

A Chris Martin song? No football relevance - one mention of yellow.

Do I hope that td stays, yes. He has shown his worth this season, and is worth keeping at least to generate a fee for his sale in 12 or 18 months time.

Why we shouldn't really care?

Ask this - Will he manage to become a premiership striker? answer - doubtful.

When Zola was asked if Deeney was good enough to play in the Premier League, Zola replied: “Of course he can."

What else would you expect the manager of any player to say?

Holly68 wrote:
I think we are going to have to "sharpen our pencils" as other clubs can spend the fee they would normally pay for a player like Troy on his wages instead, meaning he will get v attractive wage offers. For example, what is Troy's market value, say conservatively £3M at present. If another club doesn't have to pay this amount as he is free agent in summer, £3M is effectively £20K a week on a 3 year deal as a starting point .... There are several clubs in championship alone that could afford this So it's not about loyalty, Troy served his punishment, it's all in past, he has given 110% every game, that has been his loyalty/commitment, he has been instrumental in the team spirit. He has earned the right to a decent new contract, his personality and down to earth outlook suggests to me that he won't hold Watford to ransom OR expect Watford to match highest other offers, but will expect an offer in line with his market value and contribution to the team, just as we all would in our jobs ...... If Zola states he wants him to stay and he can play in Prem then hopefully the club will make Troy an offer to close this off and put to bed in near future and further sends a message on intent

Zola didn't come out and state that Deeney could play in the Prem, he was answering a question from a journalist. What else could he say?.....

Holly68 wrote:
I think we are going to have to "sharpen our pencils" as other clubs can spend the fee they would normally pay for a player like Troy on his wages instead, meaning he will get v attractive wage offers. For example, what is Troy's market value, say conservatively £3M at present. If another club doesn't have to pay this amount as he is free agent in summer, £3M is effectively £20K a week on a 3 year deal as a starting point .... There are several clubs in championship alone that could afford this So it's not about loyalty, Troy served his punishment, it's all in past, he has given 110% every game, that has been his loyalty/commitment, he has been instrumental in the team spirit. He has earned the right to a decent new contract, his personality and down to earth outlook suggests to me that he won't hold Watford to ransom OR expect Watford to match highest other offers, but will expect an offer in line with his market value and contribution to the team, just as we all would in our jobs ...... If Zola states he wants him to stay and he can play in Prem then hopefully the club will make Troy an offer to close this off and put to bed in near future and further sends a message on intent

I agreed with U fully, Holly68. U are spot on.

Holly68 wrote:
I think we are going to have to "sharpen our pencils" as other clubs can spend the fee they would normally pay for a player like Troy on his wages instead, meaning he will get v attractive wage offers.

For example, what is Troy's market value, say conservatively £3M at present.

If another club doesn't have to pay this amount as he is free agent in summer, £3M is effectively £20K a week on a 3 year deal as a starting point .... There are several clubs in championship alone that could afford this

So it's not about loyalty, Troy served his punishment, it's all in past, he has given 110% every game, that has been his loyalty/commitment, he has been instrumental in the team spirit.

He has earned the right to a decent new contract, his personality and down to earth outlook suggests to me that he won't hold Watford to ransom OR expect Watford to match highest other offers, but will expect an offer in line with his market value and contribution to the team, just as we all would in our jobs ......

If Zola states he wants him to stay and he can play in Prem then hopefully the club will make Troy an offer to close this off and put to bed in near future and further sends a message on intent

Good post

Harrydownunder wrote:
Just goes to show the impact of the premier league doesnt it? Years ago, players stayed at clubs due to loyalty. Now its who has the biggest cheque book.

Spot on Harry, BUT I don´t think that the Pozzos have a problem with that either.

Sydneyhornet wrote:

Holly68 wrote:
Verse 1 : See Watford's stars, Look how they shine for you, And everything you do, We are all yellow. Verse 2 : We come along, We sing this song for you, And all the things you do, We are all "Yellow". Verse 3 : Your skills, Oh yeah your skill and goals, Turn in, to something beautiful, You know, you know I love you so, You know I love you soo ...

Why?

A Chris Martin song? No football relevance - one mention of yellow.

Glad of your support in Australia but those who attend games in England are working on upping the atmosphere at the Vic. So if you have anything valid to add then do it. Otherwise sit down and shut up. The Coldplay song is as good as any for now.

Sydneyhornet wrote:
Do I hope that td stays, yes. He has shown his worth this season, and is worth keeping at least to generate a fee for his sale in 12 or 18 months time.

Why we shouldn't really care?

Ask this - Will he manage to become a premiership striker? answer - doubtful.

lets worry about the prem if and when it happens. We MAY still be in the champ in 3 years time and he's very effective at this level and getting better all the time.

Can't really believe that GFZ thinks Deeney would be OK in the premiership.
I must confess to eating humble pie because at the beginning of the season thought he would not make it the championship but he has done great!!
But you only have to remember similiar players like the great Sir Tommy Mooney and Hendo who didn't really adapt to the prem and they were,are, far more skillfull that Deeney.

Bush Hornet wrote:

Sydneyhornet wrote:

Holly68 wrote:
Verse 1 : See Watford's stars, Look how they shine for you, And everything you do, We are all yellow. Verse 2 : We come along, We sing this song for you, And all the things you do, We are all "Yellow". Verse 3 : Your skills, Oh yeah your skill and goals, Turn in, to something beautiful, You know, you know I love you so, You know I love you soo ...

Why?

A Chris Martin song? No football relevance - one mention of yellow.

Glad of your support in Australia but those who attend games in England are working on upping the atmosphere at the Vic. So if you have anything valid to add then do it. Otherwise sit down and shut up. The Coldplay song is as good as any for now.

Jesus, the guy just asked why.

Let's be honest here ... The one club interested are unlikely to be signing him if they stay up, and he'd only be signed to cut a Championship wage bill. Troy, his agent and the club should not be under any illusion otherwise because Watford FC is the only ticket to sustained Premier League football on the table at this minute. Mind you he is doing well and may well attract more interest in the coming weeks so he should bide his time over contract talks before signing.

Yes he's proved me wrong, netting his 14th of the season the other day, but i doubt very much he could hack it in the premiership. I still doubt his ability to play in the championship sometimes...If he's holding out for a lot of money to tell you the truth i would let him go, he's not worth it. He may be scoring but you have to consider he does have premiership standard service, with the balls being 0played in from chalobah,battochio,a
bdi, cassetti .... I think he's got lucky this season. Doesn't seem to do all the closing down which he did last season but spends most of the game trying to close line the centre backs. It's a bit of the right place at the right time, he was the player who paired vydra when he started scoring, but if he can find a way to stop squandering his one on ones then sign him up. Wouldn't be bad cover in the premiership

PhilippineOrn wrote:

Bush Hornet wrote:

Sydneyhornet wrote:

Holly68 wrote:
Verse 1 : See Watford's stars, Look how they shine for you, And everything you do, We are all yellow. Verse 2 : We come along, We sing this song for you, And all the things you do, We are all "Yellow". Verse 3 : Your skills, Oh yeah your skill and goals, Turn in, to something beautiful, You know, you know I love you so, You know I love you soo ...

Why?

A Chris Martin song? No football relevance - one mention of yellow.

Glad of your support in Australia but those who attend games in England are working on upping the atmosphere at the Vic. So if you have anything valid to add then do it. Otherwise sit down and shut up. The Coldplay song is as good as any for now.

Jesus, the guy just asked why.

Because we need more singing at the Vic. And don't call me Jesus, I can't live up to that.

endean2 wrote:
got back late on Sunday from Brum and still recouvering from the excitement, what a great weekend.
- so what team for Ipswich? I hope that we can get a couple of our crock centre backs of the sick bed, one would have to think long and hard about a long term contract for Hall.
sure he is a good player when fit but as previously stated he misses about 60% of the season from injury.
are there any younger and fitter versions out there?

right, another 3 points on Tuesday boys COYH.

Absolutely agree about Hall. I like him and he's immense when he plays but his attendance record really sucks - quite shocking that he is soooooo fragile for a big booger like him. Have to ask whether he's worth the wages given his fit/unfit ratio. I'm unsure.

Deeney looks much fitter & quicker since he returned to the fold and his all-round game is improving rapidly under Zola. He could be a late developer but is already a better player than Grant Holt who has shown his value in the Prem and his physical strength and movement has certainly helped Vydra.

Hope he stays whatever division we are in next season.

Richard - Come On You Golden Boys! wrote:
Deeney looks much fitter & quicker since he returned to the fold and his all-round game is improving rapidly under Zola. He could be a late developer but is already a better player than Grant Holt who has shown his value in the Prem and his physical strength and movement has certainly helped Vydra.

Hope he stays whatever division we are in next season.

Agree. Wouldn't have said it 12 months ago but I believe he could cut it in the Prem

Get real!! Deeney is at best a workmanlike championship striker. Yes he's scored a few recently, but so would most average strikers given the supply he's had. If (please!!) come August we are lining up our first Prem match of the season..i for one will be a little disappointed if Deeney is in the starting X1....dont get me wrong..i'll support him as he always gives his all..like a certain Mr Doyley tho..sometimes thats just not enough..

Bush Hornet wrote:

PhilippineOrn wrote:

Bush Hornet wrote:

Sydneyhornet wrote:

Holly68 wrote: Verse 1 : See Watford's stars, Look how they shine for you, And everything you do, We are all yellow. Verse 2 : We come along, We sing this song for you, And all the things you do, We are all "Yellow". Verse 3 : Your skills, Oh yeah your skill and goals, Turn in, to something beautiful, You know, you know I love you so, You know I love you soo ...

Why? A Chris Martin song? No football relevance - one mention of yellow.

Glad of your support in Australia but those who attend games in England are working on upping the atmosphere at the Vic. So if you have anything valid to add then do it. Otherwise sit down and shut up. The Coldplay song is as good as any for now.

Jesus, the guy just asked why.

Because we need more singing at the Vic. And don't call me Jesus, I can't live up to that.

Don't get me wrong.. The Vic needs it. The two few games I managed to see when I was there were depressing as hell.

I applauded the efforts, just think that we need songs shorter with higher tempo.

Non allocated seating is the way to go miss holly.

Ps a more contstructive response might not have included sit down and shut up, however exactly the kinda song I love - aim it at holloway next time eh?

Coyh

Sydneyhornet wrote:

Bush Hornet wrote:

PhilippineOrn wrote:

Bush Hornet wrote:

Sydneyhornet wrote:

Holly68 wrote: Verse 1 : See Watford's stars, Look how they shine for you, And everything you do, We are all yellow. Verse 2 : We come along, We sing this song for you, And all the things you do, We are all "Yellow". Verse 3 : Your skills, Oh yeah your skill and goals, Turn in, to something beautiful, You know, you know I love you so, You know I love you soo ...

Why? A Chris Martin song? No football relevance - one mention of yellow.

Glad of your support in Australia but those who attend games in England are working on upping the atmosphere at the Vic. So if you have anything valid to add then do it. Otherwise sit down and shut up. The Coldplay song is as good as any for now.

Jesus, the guy just asked why.

Because we need more singing at the Vic. And don't call me Jesus, I can't live up to that.

Don't get me wrong.. The Vic needs it. The two few games I managed to see when I was there were depressing as hell.

I applauded the efforts, just think that we need songs shorter with higher tempo.

Non allocated seating is the way to go miss holly.

Ps a more contstructive response might not have included sit down and shut up, however exactly the kinda song I love - aim it at holloway next time eh?

Coyh

I was trying to be constructive Syd but I just want to encourage everyone who is contributing song ideas. I remember people poring scorn on the coldplay song years ago and it peed me off. whats the alternative? nothing gets sung cos no one agrees on the perfect song. Anything is better than silence. I'd sing more or less anything except a Robbie Williams song. Can't stand the bloke