Watford boss Gianfranco Zola to make late decisions on Manuel Almunia and Josh McEachran ahead of Burnley test

Watford Observer: Manuel Almunia. Picture: Holly Cant Manuel Almunia. Picture: Holly Cant

Watford goalkeeper Manuel Almunia and Josh McEachran could both return from illness for tomorrow’s trip to Burnley while midfielder Almen Abdi may resume training later this week.

Head coach Gianfranco Zola was more positive on a handful of absentees ahead of tomorrow’s match at Turf Moor, including Almunia, who missed Saturday’s defeat to Yeovil Town.

“Manuel is better,” Zola said. “He is in the squad and we will see tomorrow (Tuesday) how he feels.

“I think there might be a possibility of him playing - he is not fully recovered but we’ll see tomorrow.”

McEachran was also ruled out of Saturday’s game with illness and Zola said the midfielder has returned to training with a decision still to be made tomorrow.

Zola said: “Josh has been back in training but he has been ill all week so I will have to decide whether to include him in the squad tomorrow.”

Abdi has been out with a foot injury for three months but Zola is hopeful the influential midfielder may return to training later this week.

“Almen is much better and we are very pleased with that,” Zola continued. “Maybe in a couple of days’ time he will be training again with the team which will be very good.”

When asked if there was a chance Abdi might be involved in Saturday’s trip to Leeds United, Zola added: “We will see what we can do about that.”

Gabriele Angella has been struggling with a thigh problem and while it is unlikely the centre half will play against Burnley, he is expected to be available at the weekend.

Troy Deeney, Sean Murray, Nyron Nosworthy and Reece Brown have all recovered from recent injuries and are available.

Lloyd Doyley (hamstring), Ikechi Anya (calf), Essaid Belkalem (ankle) and Tommie Hoban (ankle) are however still ruled out.

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4:10pm Mon 2 Dec 13

demerit says...

A hat-trick of good news in my opinion. I would doubt whether AA would be ready for Leeds but it would be good for us to get him back for Sheffield W so that we can thrash the socks off 'em and regain some confidence. I am wary though of how that will prolong what I and 90% of the people on here want to happen at management level....
A hat-trick of good news in my opinion. I would doubt whether AA would be ready for Leeds but it would be good for us to get him back for Sheffield W so that we can thrash the socks off 'em and regain some confidence. I am wary though of how that will prolong what I and 90% of the people on here want to happen at management level.... demerit

4:14pm Mon 2 Dec 13

johnwatford says...

Good news at last
Good news at last johnwatford

4:19pm Mon 2 Dec 13

Stoney77 says...

demerit wrote:
A hat-trick of good news in my opinion. I would doubt whether AA would be ready for Leeds but it would be good for us to get him back for Sheffield W so that we can thrash the socks off 'em and regain some confidence. I am wary though of how that will prolong what I and 90% of the people on here want to happen at management level....
nice statistics. where did you pluck that figure from? your back passage?
[quote][p][bold]demerit[/bold] wrote: A hat-trick of good news in my opinion. I would doubt whether AA would be ready for Leeds but it would be good for us to get him back for Sheffield W so that we can thrash the socks off 'em and regain some confidence. I am wary though of how that will prolong what I and 90% of the people on here want to happen at management level....[/p][/quote]nice statistics. where did you pluck that figure from? your back passage? Stoney77

4:31pm Mon 2 Dec 13

ForzaWatford says...

Hope the right calls are made, them being; give bond a chance as no.1, send mceachran back to chelski and not risk abdi too early.
Hope the right calls are made, them being; give bond a chance as no.1, send mceachran back to chelski and not risk abdi too early. ForzaWatford

4:34pm Mon 2 Dec 13

hogweed says...

This is but delaying the inevitable. I like Zola but four defeats at home on the trot is unacceptable and Zola is on borrowed time. Lets be honest that pu[ple patch last year was the best of times for him. We faded badly when Vydra stopped scoring and have not recovered.

Defeat at Burnley and Leeds and its all over for GFZ. In Zola we no longer trusr.

Hog out
This is but delaying the inevitable. I like Zola but four defeats at home on the trot is unacceptable and Zola is on borrowed time. Lets be honest that pu[ple patch last year was the best of times for him. We faded badly when Vydra stopped scoring and have not recovered. Defeat at Burnley and Leeds and its all over for GFZ. In Zola we no longer trusr. Hog out hogweed

4:36pm Mon 2 Dec 13

hogweed says...

Sorry its purple and trust

Hog out
Sorry its purple and trust Hog out hogweed

4:44pm Mon 2 Dec 13

luther blissett says...

ZOLA IN.

With a midfield last season of Anya, Abdi, Chalobah & Hogg all missing, along with Vydra, of course we are struggling.........a
ny team would. Added to that our best defender and no.1 gk are missing.

And none of the above missing is Zola's fault. He tried to keep all of them.
ZOLA IN. With a midfield last season of Anya, Abdi, Chalobah & Hogg all missing, along with Vydra, of course we are struggling.........a ny team would. Added to that our best defender and no.1 gk are missing. And none of the above missing is Zola's fault. He tried to keep all of them. luther blissett

4:55pm Mon 2 Dec 13

andyhooked says...

Manu back will be good. Abdi coming back slowly to fitness is also good news. We miss Anya but as for the Chelsea loanee!!!! Enough has been said about him. Vydra is gone and perhaps his worse decision being played by his agent but we knew that Vydra would be tempted away with the promise of money for his agent and for him. As for Chaloba, that is down the Chelsea and not GFZ. I hope very much that GFZ is not a busted flush but I fear that he is.
Manu back will be good. Abdi coming back slowly to fitness is also good news. We miss Anya but as for the Chelsea loanee!!!! Enough has been said about him. Vydra is gone and perhaps his worse decision being played by his agent but we knew that Vydra would be tempted away with the promise of money for his agent and for him. As for Chaloba, that is down the Chelsea and not GFZ. I hope very much that GFZ is not a busted flush but I fear that he is. andyhooked

6:40pm Mon 2 Dec 13

D.unstable says...

I really am at a loss as to what some people on here are thinking will happen if GFZ loses his job and is not given time to turn things around. Yes it is a shocking run of results and yes coincidently a terrible run on injuries to key players. Remember to that he does not recruit and therefore is it his fault that we have not replaced Vydra's pace and skill up front?

Rightly so if he does not manage to turn things over the coming games or this side of Xmas then it mat be a very bleak forecast, however what will happen next?

We will be sent somebody that the Pozzo's trust in coaching their players, somebody who will undoubtedly need time to bed in but also get to know The Championship. We will not get a ready made Jose Morinho that is for sure.

The Pozzo's saved our club 18 months ago and they will ultimately sort this when they feel it is time, not by fan pressure!!! Why should they be bullied into quick snap decisions to keep the so called 'supporters' on side.

I think we should show our owners, who are good footballing people a little more respect and gratitude rather than looking like a bunch of spoilt kids who do not appreciate what they are trying to do here.

Reading some of the stuff on here and on twitter over the past few days, if I was Mr Pozzo I would be inclined to say forget the English project and sell it back to Bassini to do as he will.

We all want success but sometimes you have to take one step back to take 2 forward. The danger is now that everybody always thinks they can do a better job.

So if you are one who only jumped on the bandwagon the end of last season demanding instant success, please go and do one as you will be long gone the first time your expectations are met.

COYH
I really am at a loss as to what some people on here are thinking will happen if GFZ loses his job and is not given time to turn things around. Yes it is a shocking run of results and yes coincidently a terrible run on injuries to key players. Remember to that he does not recruit and therefore is it his fault that we have not replaced Vydra's pace and skill up front? Rightly so if he does not manage to turn things over the coming games or this side of Xmas then it mat be a very bleak forecast, however what will happen next? We will be sent somebody that the Pozzo's trust in coaching their players, somebody who will undoubtedly need time to bed in but also get to know The Championship. We will not get a ready made Jose Morinho that is for sure. The Pozzo's saved our club 18 months ago and they will ultimately sort this when they feel it is time, not by fan pressure!!! Why should they be bullied into quick snap decisions to keep the so called 'supporters' on side. I think we should show our owners, who are good footballing people a little more respect and gratitude rather than looking like a bunch of spoilt kids who do not appreciate what they are trying to do here. Reading some of the stuff on here and on twitter over the past few days, if I was Mr Pozzo I would be inclined to say forget the English project and sell it back to Bassini to do as he will. We all want success but sometimes you have to take one step back to take 2 forward. The danger is now that everybody always thinks they can do a better job. So if you are one who only jumped on the bandwagon the end of last season demanding instant success, please go and do one as you will be long gone the first time your expectations are met. COYH D.unstable

6:43pm Mon 2 Dec 13

D.unstable says...

Obviously meant to read aren't met!!! But you get my drift.
Obviously meant to read aren't met!!! But you get my drift. D.unstable

8:02pm Mon 2 Dec 13

cliff46 says...

D.unstable wrote:
I really am at a loss as to what some people on here are thinking will happen if GFZ loses his job and is not given time to turn things around. Yes it is a shocking run of results and yes coincidently a terrible run on injuries to key players. Remember to that he does not recruit and therefore is it his fault that we have not replaced Vydra's pace and skill up front?

Rightly so if he does not manage to turn things over the coming games or this side of Xmas then it mat be a very bleak forecast, however what will happen next?

We will be sent somebody that the Pozzo's trust in coaching their players, somebody who will undoubtedly need time to bed in but also get to know The Championship. We will not get a ready made Jose Morinho that is for sure.

The Pozzo's saved our club 18 months ago and they will ultimately sort this when they feel it is time, not by fan pressure!!! Why should they be bullied into quick snap decisions to keep the so called 'supporters' on side.

I think we should show our owners, who are good footballing people a little more respect and gratitude rather than looking like a bunch of spoilt kids who do not appreciate what they are trying to do here.

Reading some of the stuff on here and on twitter over the past few days, if I was Mr Pozzo I would be inclined to say forget the English project and sell it back to Bassini to do as he will.

We all want success but sometimes you have to take one step back to take 2 forward. The danger is now that everybody always thinks they can do a better job.

So if you are one who only jumped on the bandwagon the end of last season demanding instant success, please go and do one as you will be long gone the first time your expectations are met.

COYH
Excellent post D.unstable
[quote][p][bold]D.unstable[/bold] wrote: I really am at a loss as to what some people on here are thinking will happen if GFZ loses his job and is not given time to turn things around. Yes it is a shocking run of results and yes coincidently a terrible run on injuries to key players. Remember to that he does not recruit and therefore is it his fault that we have not replaced Vydra's pace and skill up front? Rightly so if he does not manage to turn things over the coming games or this side of Xmas then it mat be a very bleak forecast, however what will happen next? We will be sent somebody that the Pozzo's trust in coaching their players, somebody who will undoubtedly need time to bed in but also get to know The Championship. We will not get a ready made Jose Morinho that is for sure. The Pozzo's saved our club 18 months ago and they will ultimately sort this when they feel it is time, not by fan pressure!!! Why should they be bullied into quick snap decisions to keep the so called 'supporters' on side. I think we should show our owners, who are good footballing people a little more respect and gratitude rather than looking like a bunch of spoilt kids who do not appreciate what they are trying to do here. Reading some of the stuff on here and on twitter over the past few days, if I was Mr Pozzo I would be inclined to say forget the English project and sell it back to Bassini to do as he will. We all want success but sometimes you have to take one step back to take 2 forward. The danger is now that everybody always thinks they can do a better job. So if you are one who only jumped on the bandwagon the end of last season demanding instant success, please go and do one as you will be long gone the first time your expectations are met. COYH[/p][/quote]Excellent post D.unstable cliff46

8:03pm Mon 2 Dec 13

Stoney77 says...

D.unstable wrote:
I really am at a loss as to what some people on here are thinking will happen if GFZ loses his job and is not given time to turn things around. Yes it is a shocking run of results and yes coincidently a terrible run on injuries to key players. Remember to that he does not recruit and therefore is it his fault that we have not replaced Vydra's pace and skill up front?

Rightly so if he does not manage to turn things over the coming games or this side of Xmas then it mat be a very bleak forecast, however what will happen next?

We will be sent somebody that the Pozzo's trust in coaching their players, somebody who will undoubtedly need time to bed in but also get to know The Championship. We will not get a ready made Jose Morinho that is for sure.

The Pozzo's saved our club 18 months ago and they will ultimately sort this when they feel it is time, not by fan pressure!!! Why should they be bullied into quick snap decisions to keep the so called 'supporters' on side.

I think we should show our owners, who are good footballing people a little more respect and gratitude rather than looking like a bunch of spoilt kids who do not appreciate what they are trying to do here.

Reading some of the stuff on here and on twitter over the past few days, if I was Mr Pozzo I would be inclined to say forget the English project and sell it back to Bassini to do as he will.

We all want success but sometimes you have to take one step back to take 2 forward. The danger is now that everybody always thinks they can do a better job.

So if you are one who only jumped on the bandwagon the end of last season demanding instant success, please go and do one as you will be long gone the first time your expectations are met.

COYH
Well said mate, agree with every word.
[quote][p][bold]D.unstable[/bold] wrote: I really am at a loss as to what some people on here are thinking will happen if GFZ loses his job and is not given time to turn things around. Yes it is a shocking run of results and yes coincidently a terrible run on injuries to key players. Remember to that he does not recruit and therefore is it his fault that we have not replaced Vydra's pace and skill up front? Rightly so if he does not manage to turn things over the coming games or this side of Xmas then it mat be a very bleak forecast, however what will happen next? We will be sent somebody that the Pozzo's trust in coaching their players, somebody who will undoubtedly need time to bed in but also get to know The Championship. We will not get a ready made Jose Morinho that is for sure. The Pozzo's saved our club 18 months ago and they will ultimately sort this when they feel it is time, not by fan pressure!!! Why should they be bullied into quick snap decisions to keep the so called 'supporters' on side. I think we should show our owners, who are good footballing people a little more respect and gratitude rather than looking like a bunch of spoilt kids who do not appreciate what they are trying to do here. Reading some of the stuff on here and on twitter over the past few days, if I was Mr Pozzo I would be inclined to say forget the English project and sell it back to Bassini to do as he will. We all want success but sometimes you have to take one step back to take 2 forward. The danger is now that everybody always thinks they can do a better job. So if you are one who only jumped on the bandwagon the end of last season demanding instant success, please go and do one as you will be long gone the first time your expectations are met. COYH[/p][/quote]Well said mate, agree with every word. Stoney77

9:30pm Mon 2 Dec 13

demerit says...

Stoney77 wrote:
demerit wrote:
A hat-trick of good news in my opinion. I would doubt whether AA would be ready for Leeds but it would be good for us to get him back for Sheffield W so that we can thrash the socks off 'em and regain some confidence. I am wary though of how that will prolong what I and 90% of the people on here want to happen at management level....
nice statistics. where did you pluck that figure from? your back passage?
Just a quick overview. More or less true correct though give or take. The quicker we get rid the better, Sad but true.
[quote][p][bold]Stoney77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]demerit[/bold] wrote: A hat-trick of good news in my opinion. I would doubt whether AA would be ready for Leeds but it would be good for us to get him back for Sheffield W so that we can thrash the socks off 'em and regain some confidence. I am wary though of how that will prolong what I and 90% of the people on here want to happen at management level....[/p][/quote]nice statistics. where did you pluck that figure from? your back passage?[/p][/quote]Just a quick overview. More or less true correct though give or take. The quicker we get rid the better, Sad but true. demerit

9:36pm Mon 2 Dec 13

D.unstable says...

demerit wrote:
Stoney77 wrote:
demerit wrote:
A hat-trick of good news in my opinion. I would doubt whether AA would be ready for Leeds but it would be good for us to get him back for Sheffield W so that we can thrash the socks off 'em and regain some confidence. I am wary though of how that will prolong what I and 90% of the people on here want to happen at management level....
nice statistics. where did you pluck that figure from? your back passage?
Just a quick overview. More or less true correct though give or take. The quicker we get rid the better, Sad but true.
So who are you going to bring in then? Who is going to make it all ok for you?
[quote][p][bold]demerit[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stoney77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]demerit[/bold] wrote: A hat-trick of good news in my opinion. I would doubt whether AA would be ready for Leeds but it would be good for us to get him back for Sheffield W so that we can thrash the socks off 'em and regain some confidence. I am wary though of how that will prolong what I and 90% of the people on here want to happen at management level....[/p][/quote]nice statistics. where did you pluck that figure from? your back passage?[/p][/quote]Just a quick overview. More or less true correct though give or take. The quicker we get rid the better, Sad but true.[/p][/quote]So who are you going to bring in then? Who is going to make it all ok for you? D.unstable

10:02pm Mon 2 Dec 13

Stoney77 says...

demerit wrote:
Stoney77 wrote:
demerit wrote:
A hat-trick of good news in my opinion. I would doubt whether AA would be ready for Leeds but it would be good for us to get him back for Sheffield W so that we can thrash the socks off 'em and regain some confidence. I am wary though of how that will prolong what I and 90% of the people on here want to happen at management level....
nice statistics. where did you pluck that figure from? your back passage?
Just a quick overview. More or less true correct though give or take. The quicker we get rid the better, Sad but true.
Unfortunately I don't think you do speak for the masses mate!! You may think you do, but you don't. A 'quick overview' of the comments on here and their perspective 'scores' suggest you are wrong. It would be nice to see that you're man enough to admit that.
[quote][p][bold]demerit[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stoney77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]demerit[/bold] wrote: A hat-trick of good news in my opinion. I would doubt whether AA would be ready for Leeds but it would be good for us to get him back for Sheffield W so that we can thrash the socks off 'em and regain some confidence. I am wary though of how that will prolong what I and 90% of the people on here want to happen at management level....[/p][/quote]nice statistics. where did you pluck that figure from? your back passage?[/p][/quote]Just a quick overview. More or less true correct though give or take. The quicker we get rid the better, Sad but true.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately I don't think you do speak for the masses mate!! You may think you do, but you don't. A 'quick overview' of the comments on here and their perspective 'scores' suggest you are wrong. It would be nice to see that you're man enough to admit that. Stoney77

10:12pm Mon 2 Dec 13

Bobbyhowfield says...

After the first few games I admit that I thought we were going to be unstoppable, but we lost a few key players and some have gone off the boil.
Deeney has not been the same player since missing the penalty at Blackpool and Fernando is snatching at the ball every time he shoots. No-one is attacking the ball with any conviction at corners which is something Zola should be able to sort out but in the main I still love the way we try and play football.
Going to Burnley ,
You Orns !!!
After the first few games I admit that I thought we were going to be unstoppable, but we lost a few key players and some have gone off the boil. Deeney has not been the same player since missing the penalty at Blackpool and Fernando is snatching at the ball every time he shoots. No-one is attacking the ball with any conviction at corners which is something Zola should be able to sort out but in the main I still love the way we try and play football. Going to Burnley , You Orns !!! Bobbyhowfield

10:53pm Mon 2 Dec 13

Ramageland says...

Dyche was a good player for us and did wonders as manager but, let's be honest, the football was terrible. My young lad didn't want to come because he thought it was boring. Now he looks forward to it every week (even though we are sh*t at the moment) and doesn't go on about Prem players anymore, he goes on about Fessi, Abdi, Anya, etc. I do not believe that anybody would swap the last year for anything so there is no point banging on about Burnley being near the top - I don't care. If Zola can't turn it around then he will be sacked and the Pozzo's will bring in somebody else that can, and hopefully we will still play a decent brand of football with the players we've got. Surely better than the hoofball we have suffered for years?

And for all those slagging of Fessi, Almunia, Cassetti, etc - these players have been brilliant for us and don't deserve the stick they have been getting on here lately. I have been going to the Vic 35 years and this is one of the best teams we've had in that time. If the Pozzos's are here for the long term then they will sort it out and we will get up in the end. Do the doom-mongers on here really think they are going to allow us to get relegated? I am quite happy to boo if there is a lack of effort but there hasn't been - tweak the formation and we will be okay!
Dyche was a good player for us and did wonders as manager but, let's be honest, the football was terrible. My young lad didn't want to come because he thought it was boring. Now he looks forward to it every week (even though we are sh*t at the moment) and doesn't go on about Prem players anymore, he goes on about Fessi, Abdi, Anya, etc. I do not believe that anybody would swap the last year for anything so there is no point banging on about Burnley being near the top - I don't care. If Zola can't turn it around then he will be sacked and the Pozzo's will bring in somebody else that can, and hopefully we will still play a decent brand of football with the players we've got. Surely better than the hoofball we have suffered for years? And for all those slagging of Fessi, Almunia, Cassetti, etc - these players have been brilliant for us and don't deserve the stick they have been getting on here lately. I have been going to the Vic 35 years and this is one of the best teams we've had in that time. If the Pozzos's are here for the long term then they will sort it out and we will get up in the end. Do the doom-mongers on here really think they are going to allow us to get relegated? I am quite happy to boo if there is a lack of effort but there hasn't been - tweak the formation and we will be okay! Ramageland

12:04am Tue 3 Dec 13

D.unstable says...

A little final thought of the day and something I often use at work, "don't bring me problems, bring me solutions!!"

There are a few on here who are very quick to highlight the obvious when things aren't 100% but we do not see any good argument as what happens next, just short term thinking of let's sack him!!
A little final thought of the day and something I often use at work, "don't bring me problems, bring me solutions!!" There are a few on here who are very quick to highlight the obvious when things aren't 100% but we do not see any good argument as what happens next, just short term thinking of let's sack him!! D.unstable

12:13am Tue 3 Dec 13

Lew Pole says...

Ramageland wrote:
Dyche was a good player for us and did wonders as manager but, let's be honest, the football was terrible. My young lad didn't want to come because he thought it was boring. Now he looks forward to it every week (even though we are sh*t at the moment) and doesn't go on about Prem players anymore, he goes on about Fessi, Abdi, Anya, etc. I do not believe that anybody would swap the last year for anything so there is no point banging on about Burnley being near the top - I don't care. If Zola can't turn it around then he will be sacked and the Pozzo's will bring in somebody else that can, and hopefully we will still play a decent brand of football with the players we've got. Surely better than the hoofball we have suffered for years?

And for all those slagging of Fessi, Almunia, Cassetti, etc - these players have been brilliant for us and don't deserve the stick they have been getting on here lately. I have been going to the Vic 35 years and this is one of the best teams we've had in that time. If the Pozzos's are here for the long term then they will sort it out and we will get up in the end. Do the doom-mongers on here really think they are going to allow us to get relegated? I am quite happy to boo if there is a lack of effort but there hasn't been - tweak the formation and we will be okay!
Quite right delighted for Dyche he has done a great job at Burnley and got a very respectable finish in his one season with us. But he did play awful football and bought some dreadful league 1 players (Dickinson, Garner, Big Chris, Mirfin, etc).

Zola has us playing some terrific football and I think he will only leave if he cant see a way of getting us back on track. I imagine he will have been asked to explain recent results to his superiors and satisfy them that he knows how to fix this. He is only a few weeks from a fully fit squad and a window to redress a few things. I am sure he has a plan. If he didn't he would already be gone.
[quote][p][bold]Ramageland[/bold] wrote: Dyche was a good player for us and did wonders as manager but, let's be honest, the football was terrible. My young lad didn't want to come because he thought it was boring. Now he looks forward to it every week (even though we are sh*t at the moment) and doesn't go on about Prem players anymore, he goes on about Fessi, Abdi, Anya, etc. I do not believe that anybody would swap the last year for anything so there is no point banging on about Burnley being near the top - I don't care. If Zola can't turn it around then he will be sacked and the Pozzo's will bring in somebody else that can, and hopefully we will still play a decent brand of football with the players we've got. Surely better than the hoofball we have suffered for years? And for all those slagging of Fessi, Almunia, Cassetti, etc - these players have been brilliant for us and don't deserve the stick they have been getting on here lately. I have been going to the Vic 35 years and this is one of the best teams we've had in that time. If the Pozzos's are here for the long term then they will sort it out and we will get up in the end. Do the doom-mongers on here really think they are going to allow us to get relegated? I am quite happy to boo if there is a lack of effort but there hasn't been - tweak the formation and we will be okay![/p][/quote]Quite right delighted for Dyche he has done a great job at Burnley and got a very respectable finish in his one season with us. But he did play awful football and bought some dreadful league 1 players (Dickinson, Garner, Big Chris, Mirfin, etc). Zola has us playing some terrific football and I think he will only leave if he cant see a way of getting us back on track. I imagine he will have been asked to explain recent results to his superiors and satisfy them that he knows how to fix this. He is only a few weeks from a fully fit squad and a window to redress a few things. I am sure he has a plan. If he didn't he would already be gone. Lew Pole

1:14am Tue 3 Dec 13

rogeruk says...

D.unstable wrote:
A little final thought of the day and something I often use at work, "don't bring me problems, bring me solutions!!"

There are a few on here who are very quick to highlight the obvious when things aren't 100% but we do not see any good argument as what happens next, just short term thinking of let's sack him!!
Would you say one win in eight games going back to Oct 5th is a short term situation?

If Zola cannot turn the situation around now (5 points from last 24, Watford is officially the worst club in the championship - half of the season so far), how bad will it be if he goes on like this to January? I'll tell you catastrophic!

Things aren't 100%! They are in fact only 20% (over the last eight games since 5th October).

Suggest you drop the clichés analyse your; “when things' aren't 100% but we do not see any good argument as what happens next, just short term thinking of let's sack him!


If Germany ever decides to invade again with fans like you - I suggest we put up the 'white flag' we've no chance!
[quote][p][bold]D.unstable[/bold] wrote: A little final thought of the day and something I often use at work, "don't bring me problems, bring me solutions!!" There are a few on here who are very quick to highlight the obvious when things aren't 100% but we do not see any good argument as what happens next, just short term thinking of let's sack him!![/p][/quote]Would you say one win in eight games going back to Oct 5th is a short term situation? If Zola cannot turn the situation around now (5 points from last 24, Watford is officially the worst club in the championship - half of the season so far), how bad will it be if he goes on like this to January? I'll tell you catastrophic! Things aren't 100%! They are in fact only 20% (over the last eight games since 5th October). Suggest you drop the clichés analyse your; “when things' aren't 100% but we do not see any good argument as what happens next, just short term thinking of let's sack him! If Germany ever decides to invade again with fans like you - I suggest we put up the 'white flag' we've no chance! rogeruk

1:39am Tue 3 Dec 13

rogeruk says...

Stoney77 wrote:
D.unstable wrote:
I really am at a loss as to what some people on here are thinking will happen if GFZ loses his job and is not given time to turn things around. Yes it is a shocking run of results and yes coincidently a terrible run on injuries to key players. Remember to that he does not recruit and therefore is it his fault that we have not replaced Vydra's pace and skill up front?

Rightly so if he does not manage to turn things over the coming games or this side of Xmas then it mat be a very bleak forecast, however what will happen next?

We will be sent somebody that the Pozzo's trust in coaching their players, somebody who will undoubtedly need time to bed in but also get to know The Championship. We will not get a ready made Jose Morinho that is for sure.

The Pozzo's saved our club 18 months ago and they will ultimately sort this when they feel it is time, not by fan pressure!!! Why should they be bullied into quick snap decisions to keep the so called 'supporters' on side.

I think we should show our owners, who are good footballing people a little more respect and gratitude rather than looking like a bunch of spoilt kids who do not appreciate what they are trying to do here.

Reading some of the stuff on here and on twitter over the past few days, if I was Mr Pozzo I would be inclined to say forget the English project and sell it back to Bassini to do as he will.

We all want success but sometimes you have to take one step back to take 2 forward. The danger is now that everybody always thinks they can do a better job.

So if you are one who only jumped on the bandwagon the end of last season demanding instant success, please go and do one as you will be long gone the first time your expectations are met.

COYH
Well said mate, agree with every word.
Unbelievable! What the Pozzos did then and what are are doing now is totally different! What is this slavish loyalty to the Pozzos about? We'll take any scraps off their table well maybe you and a lot more e fans on this site, but there are a few who won't.

The Pozzos are good but they are not infallible! They get it wrong sometimes, this situation unfortunately is down to the Pozzos, Zola is their choice. There were 'tell tale' signs last season, the home game to Leeds (Zola, Deeny, Almunia) see the connection again? plus the Wembley fiasco! Two great chances both blown away!

Do you forget the comments from Zola, about how the squad is much stronger, how the pre season has made things a lot better than Zola's pre season preparation for the previous season 2012/13? Could be as in the previous season (2012/13) less influence from Zola the better. Or his Number two was better that season or both!

West hams's second season syndrome got Zola sacked, Watford's second season ??????????

Do you forget all these same fans saying Watford's squad is so big and so talented they could have two teams in the championship! By January our large squad will kick in when the likes of Burnley and the others will be 'on their knees' because of their small squads.

Well, we are now only 4 weeks from January, what's the view now? How honest was Zola when commenting on Abdi's injury? I had the impression he made 'light of it' two months ago! Where is Abdi now? If Zola didn't know the real situation at the time why comment without knowing the facts? Again why would he do that?

Four consecutive losses at home against not one of the top six sides, conceded 10 goals and scored 2 goals over four games, worst record in 20 years!

Time for the talking by Zola and his new captain to stop, time for action, this can only be turned around by a haul of 19 points from the next 24 available ie exactly the opposite in reverse that's to say - positive! Even then it will only return us to the 'Status Quo' with the rest of the season to go and nothing guaranteed!
[quote][p][bold]Stoney77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]D.unstable[/bold] wrote: I really am at a loss as to what some people on here are thinking will happen if GFZ loses his job and is not given time to turn things around. Yes it is a shocking run of results and yes coincidently a terrible run on injuries to key players. Remember to that he does not recruit and therefore is it his fault that we have not replaced Vydra's pace and skill up front? Rightly so if he does not manage to turn things over the coming games or this side of Xmas then it mat be a very bleak forecast, however what will happen next? We will be sent somebody that the Pozzo's trust in coaching their players, somebody who will undoubtedly need time to bed in but also get to know The Championship. We will not get a ready made Jose Morinho that is for sure. The Pozzo's saved our club 18 months ago and they will ultimately sort this when they feel it is time, not by fan pressure!!! Why should they be bullied into quick snap decisions to keep the so called 'supporters' on side. I think we should show our owners, who are good footballing people a little more respect and gratitude rather than looking like a bunch of spoilt kids who do not appreciate what they are trying to do here. Reading some of the stuff on here and on twitter over the past few days, if I was Mr Pozzo I would be inclined to say forget the English project and sell it back to Bassini to do as he will. We all want success but sometimes you have to take one step back to take 2 forward. The danger is now that everybody always thinks they can do a better job. So if you are one who only jumped on the bandwagon the end of last season demanding instant success, please go and do one as you will be long gone the first time your expectations are met. COYH[/p][/quote]Well said mate, agree with every word.[/p][/quote]Unbelievable! What the Pozzos did then and what are are doing now is totally different! What is this slavish loyalty to the Pozzos about? We'll take any scraps off their table well maybe you and a lot more e fans on this site, but there are a few who won't. The Pozzos are good but they are not infallible! They get it wrong sometimes, this situation unfortunately is down to the Pozzos, Zola is their choice. There were 'tell tale' signs last season, the home game to Leeds (Zola, Deeny, Almunia) see the connection again? plus the Wembley fiasco! Two great chances both blown away! Do you forget the comments from Zola, about how the squad is much stronger, how the pre season has made things a lot better than Zola's pre season preparation for the previous season 2012/13? Could be as in the previous season (2012/13) less influence from Zola the better. Or his Number two was better that season or both! West hams's second season syndrome got Zola sacked, Watford's second season ?????????? Do you forget all these same fans saying Watford's squad is so big and so talented they could have two teams in the championship! By January our large squad will kick in when the likes of Burnley and the others will be 'on their knees' because of their small squads. Well, we are now only 4 weeks from January, what's the view now? How honest was Zola when commenting on Abdi's injury? I had the impression he made 'light of it' two months ago! Where is Abdi now? If Zola didn't know the real situation at the time why comment without knowing the facts? Again why would he do that? Four consecutive losses at home against not one of the top six sides, conceded 10 goals and scored 2 goals over four games, worst record in 20 years! Time for the talking by Zola and his new captain to stop, time for action, this can only be turned around by a haul of 19 points from the next 24 available ie exactly the opposite in reverse that's to say - positive! Even then it will only return us to the 'Status Quo' with the rest of the season to go and nothing guaranteed! rogeruk

2:31am Tue 3 Dec 13

watford4ever says...

rogeruk wrote:
Stoney77 wrote:
D.unstable wrote:
I really am at a loss as to what some people on here are thinking will happen if GFZ loses his job and is not given time to turn things around. Yes it is a shocking run of results and yes coincidently a terrible run on injuries to key players. Remember to that he does not recruit and therefore is it his fault that we have not replaced Vydra's pace and skill up front?

Rightly so if he does not manage to turn things over the coming games or this side of Xmas then it mat be a very bleak forecast, however what will happen next?

We will be sent somebody that the Pozzo's trust in coaching their players, somebody who will undoubtedly need time to bed in but also get to know The Championship. We will not get a ready made Jose Morinho that is for sure.

The Pozzo's saved our club 18 months ago and they will ultimately sort this when they feel it is time, not by fan pressure!!! Why should they be bullied into quick snap decisions to keep the so called 'supporters' on side.

I think we should show our owners, who are good footballing people a little more respect and gratitude rather than looking like a bunch of spoilt kids who do not appreciate what they are trying to do here.

Reading some of the stuff on here and on twitter over the past few days, if I was Mr Pozzo I would be inclined to say forget the English project and sell it back to Bassini to do as he will.

We all want success but sometimes you have to take one step back to take 2 forward. The danger is now that everybody always thinks they can do a better job.

So if you are one who only jumped on the bandwagon the end of last season demanding instant success, please go and do one as you will be long gone the first time your expectations are met.

COYH
Well said mate, agree with every word.
Unbelievable! What the Pozzos did then and what are are doing now is totally different! What is this slavish loyalty to the Pozzos about? We'll take any scraps off their table well maybe you and a lot more e fans on this site, but there are a few who won't.

The Pozzos are good but they are not infallible! They get it wrong sometimes, this situation unfortunately is down to the Pozzos, Zola is their choice. There were 'tell tale' signs last season, the home game to Leeds (Zola, Deeny, Almunia) see the connection again? plus the Wembley fiasco! Two great chances both blown away!

Do you forget the comments from Zola, about how the squad is much stronger, how the pre season has made things a lot better than Zola's pre season preparation for the previous season 2012/13? Could be as in the previous season (2012/13) less influence from Zola the better. Or his Number two was better that season or both!

West hams's second season syndrome got Zola sacked, Watford's second season ??????????

Do you forget all these same fans saying Watford's squad is so big and so talented they could have two teams in the championship! By January our large squad will kick in when the likes of Burnley and the others will be 'on their knees' because of their small squads.

Well, we are now only 4 weeks from January, what's the view now? How honest was Zola when commenting on Abdi's injury? I had the impression he made 'light of it' two months ago! Where is Abdi now? If Zola didn't know the real situation at the time why comment without knowing the facts? Again why would he do that?

Four consecutive losses at home against not one of the top six sides, conceded 10 goals and scored 2 goals over four games, worst record in 20 years!

Time for the talking by Zola and his new captain to stop, time for action, this can only be turned around by a haul of 19 points from the next 24 available ie exactly the opposite in reverse that's to say - positive! Even then it will only return us to the 'Status Quo' with the rest of the season to go and nothing guaranteed!
It is far to soon to forget what the Pozzo's have rescued us from. We were a nothing team going broke, and no joy to watch. Dyche did a great job with limited resources, no criticism for him. We have lost our way, other teams have Worked us out but we have had a terrible injury list!. Zola is an inspirational leader and developer of individual talent but he desperately needs an experienced number two who can set the team up in balance an react to the game as it develops.
[quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stoney77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]D.unstable[/bold] wrote: I really am at a loss as to what some people on here are thinking will happen if GFZ loses his job and is not given time to turn things around. Yes it is a shocking run of results and yes coincidently a terrible run on injuries to key players. Remember to that he does not recruit and therefore is it his fault that we have not replaced Vydra's pace and skill up front? Rightly so if he does not manage to turn things over the coming games or this side of Xmas then it mat be a very bleak forecast, however what will happen next? We will be sent somebody that the Pozzo's trust in coaching their players, somebody who will undoubtedly need time to bed in but also get to know The Championship. We will not get a ready made Jose Morinho that is for sure. The Pozzo's saved our club 18 months ago and they will ultimately sort this when they feel it is time, not by fan pressure!!! Why should they be bullied into quick snap decisions to keep the so called 'supporters' on side. I think we should show our owners, who are good footballing people a little more respect and gratitude rather than looking like a bunch of spoilt kids who do not appreciate what they are trying to do here. Reading some of the stuff on here and on twitter over the past few days, if I was Mr Pozzo I would be inclined to say forget the English project and sell it back to Bassini to do as he will. We all want success but sometimes you have to take one step back to take 2 forward. The danger is now that everybody always thinks they can do a better job. So if you are one who only jumped on the bandwagon the end of last season demanding instant success, please go and do one as you will be long gone the first time your expectations are met. COYH[/p][/quote]Well said mate, agree with every word.[/p][/quote]Unbelievable! What the Pozzos did then and what are are doing now is totally different! What is this slavish loyalty to the Pozzos about? We'll take any scraps off their table well maybe you and a lot more e fans on this site, but there are a few who won't. The Pozzos are good but they are not infallible! They get it wrong sometimes, this situation unfortunately is down to the Pozzos, Zola is their choice. There were 'tell tale' signs last season, the home game to Leeds (Zola, Deeny, Almunia) see the connection again? plus the Wembley fiasco! Two great chances both blown away! Do you forget the comments from Zola, about how the squad is much stronger, how the pre season has made things a lot better than Zola's pre season preparation for the previous season 2012/13? Could be as in the previous season (2012/13) less influence from Zola the better. Or his Number two was better that season or both! West hams's second season syndrome got Zola sacked, Watford's second season ?????????? Do you forget all these same fans saying Watford's squad is so big and so talented they could have two teams in the championship! By January our large squad will kick in when the likes of Burnley and the others will be 'on their knees' because of their small squads. Well, we are now only 4 weeks from January, what's the view now? How honest was Zola when commenting on Abdi's injury? I had the impression he made 'light of it' two months ago! Where is Abdi now? If Zola didn't know the real situation at the time why comment without knowing the facts? Again why would he do that? Four consecutive losses at home against not one of the top six sides, conceded 10 goals and scored 2 goals over four games, worst record in 20 years! Time for the talking by Zola and his new captain to stop, time for action, this can only be turned around by a haul of 19 points from the next 24 available ie exactly the opposite in reverse that's to say - positive! Even then it will only return us to the 'Status Quo' with the rest of the season to go and nothing guaranteed![/p][/quote]It is far to soon to forget what the Pozzo's have rescued us from. We were a nothing team going broke, and no joy to watch. Dyche did a great job with limited resources, no criticism for him. We have lost our way, other teams have Worked us out but we have had a terrible injury list!. Zola is an inspirational leader and developer of individual talent but he desperately needs an experienced number two who can set the team up in balance an react to the game as it develops. watford4ever

6:24am Tue 3 Dec 13

D.unstable says...

rogeruk wrote:
D.unstable wrote:
A little final thought of the day and something I often use at work, "don't bring me problems, bring me solutions!!"

There are a few on here who are very quick to highlight the obvious when things aren't 100% but we do not see any good argument as what happens next, just short term thinking of let's sack him!!
Would you say one win in eight games going back to Oct 5th is a short term situation?

If Zola cannot turn the situation around now (5 points from last 24, Watford is officially the worst club in the championship - half of the season so far), how bad will it be if he goes on like this to January? I'll tell you catastrophic!

Things aren't 100%! They are in fact only 20% (over the last eight games since 5th October).

Suggest you drop the clichés analyse your; “when things' aren't 100% but we do not see any good argument as what happens next, just short term thinking of let's sack him!


If Germany ever decides to invade again with fans like you - I suggest we put up the 'white flag' we've no chance!
Nice final quote, I like that but not quite enough to give the thumbs up as still no solution.

Could do better Stato.
[quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]D.unstable[/bold] wrote: A little final thought of the day and something I often use at work, "don't bring me problems, bring me solutions!!" There are a few on here who are very quick to highlight the obvious when things aren't 100% but we do not see any good argument as what happens next, just short term thinking of let's sack him!![/p][/quote]Would you say one win in eight games going back to Oct 5th is a short term situation? If Zola cannot turn the situation around now (5 points from last 24, Watford is officially the worst club in the championship - half of the season so far), how bad will it be if he goes on like this to January? I'll tell you catastrophic! Things aren't 100%! They are in fact only 20% (over the last eight games since 5th October). Suggest you drop the clichés analyse your; “when things' aren't 100% but we do not see any good argument as what happens next, just short term thinking of let's sack him! If Germany ever decides to invade again with fans like you - I suggest we put up the 'white flag' we've no chance![/p][/quote]Nice final quote, I like that but not quite enough to give the thumbs up as still no solution. Could do better Stato. D.unstable

7:42am Tue 3 Dec 13

demerit says...

Stoney77 wrote:
demerit wrote:
Stoney77 wrote:
demerit wrote:
A hat-trick of good news in my opinion. I would doubt whether AA would be ready for Leeds but it would be good for us to get him back for Sheffield W so that we can thrash the socks off 'em and regain some confidence. I am wary though of how that will prolong what I and 90% of the people on here want to happen at management level....
nice statistics. where did you pluck that figure from? your back passage?
Just a quick overview. More or less true correct though give or take. The quicker we get rid the better, Sad but true.
Unfortunately I don't think you do speak for the masses mate!! You may think you do, but you don't. A 'quick overview' of the comments on here and their perspective 'scores' suggest you are wrong. It would be nice to see that you're man enough to admit that.
Oh, hear we go, the "man-up" brigade is back! Mates together and all that. I have my views and I have the same right to air them as you have yours. And by the way, I stand by everything I have said. Get someone in that knows about football.
[quote][p][bold]Stoney77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]demerit[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stoney77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]demerit[/bold] wrote: A hat-trick of good news in my opinion. I would doubt whether AA would be ready for Leeds but it would be good for us to get him back for Sheffield W so that we can thrash the socks off 'em and regain some confidence. I am wary though of how that will prolong what I and 90% of the people on here want to happen at management level....[/p][/quote]nice statistics. where did you pluck that figure from? your back passage?[/p][/quote]Just a quick overview. More or less true correct though give or take. The quicker we get rid the better, Sad but true.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately I don't think you do speak for the masses mate!! You may think you do, but you don't. A 'quick overview' of the comments on here and their perspective 'scores' suggest you are wrong. It would be nice to see that you're man enough to admit that.[/p][/quote]Oh, hear we go, the "man-up" brigade is back! Mates together and all that. I have my views and I have the same right to air them as you have yours. And by the way, I stand by everything I have said. Get someone in that knows about football. demerit

8:42am Tue 3 Dec 13

mellow yellow says...

rogeruk wrote:
D.unstable wrote:
A little final thought of the day and something I often use at work, "don't bring me problems, bring me solutions!!"

There are a few on here who are very quick to highlight the obvious when things aren't 100% but we do not see any good argument as what happens next, just short term thinking of let's sack him!!
Would you say one win in eight games going back to Oct 5th is a short term situation?

If Zola cannot turn the situation around now (5 points from last 24, Watford is officially the worst club in the championship - half of the season so far), how bad will it be if he goes on like this to January? I'll tell you catastrophic!

Things aren't 100%! They are in fact only 20% (over the last eight games since 5th October).

Suggest you drop the clichés analyse your; “when things' aren't 100% but we do not see any good argument as what happens next, just short term thinking of let's sack him!


If Germany ever decides to invade again with fans like you - I suggest we put up the 'white flag' we've no chance!
Oh dear. What a tragic sign off. The Germans were, of course, allied with the Italians. It has been Italians that have saved our club. To that extent we have been invaded already, and am thankful for that!

Anyone who brings war references into a football debate preached the language of a jingoistic impatient buffoon.

Nuff said.
[quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]D.unstable[/bold] wrote: A little final thought of the day and something I often use at work, "don't bring me problems, bring me solutions!!" There are a few on here who are very quick to highlight the obvious when things aren't 100% but we do not see any good argument as what happens next, just short term thinking of let's sack him!![/p][/quote]Would you say one win in eight games going back to Oct 5th is a short term situation? If Zola cannot turn the situation around now (5 points from last 24, Watford is officially the worst club in the championship - half of the season so far), how bad will it be if he goes on like this to January? I'll tell you catastrophic! Things aren't 100%! They are in fact only 20% (over the last eight games since 5th October). Suggest you drop the clichés analyse your; “when things' aren't 100% but we do not see any good argument as what happens next, just short term thinking of let's sack him! If Germany ever decides to invade again with fans like you - I suggest we put up the 'white flag' we've no chance![/p][/quote]Oh dear. What a tragic sign off. The Germans were, of course, allied with the Italians. It has been Italians that have saved our club. To that extent we have been invaded already, and am thankful for that! Anyone who brings war references into a football debate preached the language of a jingoistic impatient buffoon. Nuff said. mellow yellow

9:17am Tue 3 Dec 13

Ronny oh Ronny Ronny says...

demerit wrote:
Stoney77 wrote:
demerit wrote:
Stoney77 wrote:
demerit wrote:
A hat-trick of good news in my opinion. I would doubt whether AA would be ready for Leeds but it would be good for us to get him back for Sheffield W so that we can thrash the socks off 'em and regain some confidence. I am wary though of how that will prolong what I and 90% of the people on here want to happen at management level....
nice statistics. where did you pluck that figure from? your back passage?
Just a quick overview. More or less true correct though give or take. The quicker we get rid the better, Sad but true.
Unfortunately I don't think you do speak for the masses mate!! You may think you do, but you don't. A 'quick overview' of the comments on here and their perspective 'scores' suggest you are wrong. It would be nice to see that you're man enough to admit that.
Oh, hear we go, the "man-up" brigade is back! Mates together and all that. I have my views and I have the same right to air them as you have yours. And by the way, I stand by everything I have said. Get someone in that knows about football.
WHO?????? All very well saying sack Zola..... Get someone in who knows about football........ WHO?????
Dave Jones, Sean O'driscol, Owen Coyle are all now available, would you rather one of these who have just been sacked?!
Stuart Pearce, Glenn Hoddle, Robby Di Matteo would be lovely but are just pipe dreams, why would they come to us??
I agree we can't keep losing but I think we will see something different in the next 2 games to show Zola really does have the ability to tactically turn us around.
[quote][p][bold]demerit[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stoney77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]demerit[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stoney77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]demerit[/bold] wrote: A hat-trick of good news in my opinion. I would doubt whether AA would be ready for Leeds but it would be good for us to get him back for Sheffield W so that we can thrash the socks off 'em and regain some confidence. I am wary though of how that will prolong what I and 90% of the people on here want to happen at management level....[/p][/quote]nice statistics. where did you pluck that figure from? your back passage?[/p][/quote]Just a quick overview. More or less true correct though give or take. The quicker we get rid the better, Sad but true.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately I don't think you do speak for the masses mate!! You may think you do, but you don't. A 'quick overview' of the comments on here and their perspective 'scores' suggest you are wrong. It would be nice to see that you're man enough to admit that.[/p][/quote]Oh, hear we go, the "man-up" brigade is back! Mates together and all that. I have my views and I have the same right to air them as you have yours. And by the way, I stand by everything I have said. Get someone in that knows about football.[/p][/quote]WHO?????? All very well saying sack Zola..... Get someone in who knows about football........ WHO????? Dave Jones, Sean O'driscol, Owen Coyle are all now available, would you rather one of these who have just been sacked?! Stuart Pearce, Glenn Hoddle, Robby Di Matteo would be lovely but are just pipe dreams, why would they come to us?? I agree we can't keep losing but I think we will see something different in the next 2 games to show Zola really does have the ability to tactically turn us around. Ronny oh Ronny Ronny

9:21am Tue 3 Dec 13

Stoney77 says...

demerit wrote:
Stoney77 wrote:
demerit wrote:
Stoney77 wrote:
demerit wrote:
A hat-trick of good news in my opinion. I would doubt whether AA would be ready for Leeds but it would be good for us to get him back for Sheffield W so that we can thrash the socks off 'em and regain some confidence. I am wary though of how that will prolong what I and 90% of the people on here want to happen at management level....
nice statistics. where did you pluck that figure from? your back passage?
Just a quick overview. More or less true correct though give or take. The quicker we get rid the better, Sad but true.
Unfortunately I don't think you do speak for the masses mate!! You may think you do, but you don't. A 'quick overview' of the comments on here and their perspective 'scores' suggest you are wrong. It would be nice to see that you're man enough to admit that.
Oh, hear we go, the "man-up" brigade is back! Mates together and all that. I have my views and I have the same right to air them as you have yours. And by the way, I stand by everything I have said. Get someone in that knows about football.
oh lord. stop being such a drama queen demerit. I am not referring to your views on Zola and have not said you have no right to air them . I am referring to your fabricated statistic in your first post that 90% of the people on this forum want to see Zola gone. Unfortunately you're not man enough when challenged on this to say ''ok well yeah that was a bit of an overstatement" - and as a result I think it makes you look a bit silly and means that your future posts have less credibility. But to be honest anyone who has read your posts will know that you're very good at finding a negative in a situation. Take the building of the new east stand for example, your negative comments on that news were akin to a horrible spoilt child at Christmas who's toys were not what he wanted.
In your own words fella, 'MAN UP' and stop being such a girl about everything.
[quote][p][bold]demerit[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stoney77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]demerit[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stoney77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]demerit[/bold] wrote: A hat-trick of good news in my opinion. I would doubt whether AA would be ready for Leeds but it would be good for us to get him back for Sheffield W so that we can thrash the socks off 'em and regain some confidence. I am wary though of how that will prolong what I and 90% of the people on here want to happen at management level....[/p][/quote]nice statistics. where did you pluck that figure from? your back passage?[/p][/quote]Just a quick overview. More or less true correct though give or take. The quicker we get rid the better, Sad but true.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately I don't think you do speak for the masses mate!! You may think you do, but you don't. A 'quick overview' of the comments on here and their perspective 'scores' suggest you are wrong. It would be nice to see that you're man enough to admit that.[/p][/quote]Oh, hear we go, the "man-up" brigade is back! Mates together and all that. I have my views and I have the same right to air them as you have yours. And by the way, I stand by everything I have said. Get someone in that knows about football.[/p][/quote]oh lord. stop being such a drama queen demerit. I am not referring to your views on Zola and have not said you have no right to air them . I am referring to your fabricated statistic in your first post that 90% of the people on this forum want to see Zola gone. Unfortunately you're not man enough when challenged on this to say ''ok well yeah that was a bit of an overstatement" - and as a result I think it makes you look a bit silly and means that your future posts have less credibility. But to be honest anyone who has read your posts will know that you're very good at finding a negative in a situation. Take the building of the new east stand for example, your negative comments on that news were akin to a horrible spoilt child at Christmas who's toys were not what he wanted. In your own words fella, 'MAN UP' and stop being such a girl about everything. Stoney77

9:50am Tue 3 Dec 13

Stoney77 says...

rogeruk wrote:
Stoney77 wrote:
D.unstable wrote:
I really am at a loss as to what some people on here are thinking will happen if GFZ loses his job and is not given time to turn things around. Yes it is a shocking run of results and yes coincidently a terrible run on injuries to key players. Remember to that he does not recruit and therefore is it his fault that we have not replaced Vydra's pace and skill up front?

Rightly so if he does not manage to turn things over the coming games or this side of Xmas then it mat be a very bleak forecast, however what will happen next?

We will be sent somebody that the Pozzo's trust in coaching their players, somebody who will undoubtedly need time to bed in but also get to know The Championship. We will not get a ready made Jose Morinho that is for sure.

The Pozzo's saved our club 18 months ago and they will ultimately sort this when they feel it is time, not by fan pressure!!! Why should they be bullied into quick snap decisions to keep the so called 'supporters' on side.

I think we should show our owners, who are good footballing people a little more respect and gratitude rather than looking like a bunch of spoilt kids who do not appreciate what they are trying to do here.

Reading some of the stuff on here and on twitter over the past few days, if I was Mr Pozzo I would be inclined to say forget the English project and sell it back to Bassini to do as he will.

We all want success but sometimes you have to take one step back to take 2 forward. The danger is now that everybody always thinks they can do a better job.

So if you are one who only jumped on the bandwagon the end of last season demanding instant success, please go and do one as you will be long gone the first time your expectations are met.

COYH
Well said mate, agree with every word.
Unbelievable! What the Pozzos did then and what are are doing now is totally different! What is this slavish loyalty to the Pozzos about? We'll take any scraps off their table well maybe you and a lot more e fans on this site, but there are a few who won't.

The Pozzos are good but they are not infallible! They get it wrong sometimes, this situation unfortunately is down to the Pozzos, Zola is their choice. There were 'tell tale' signs last season, the home game to Leeds (Zola, Deeny, Almunia) see the connection again? plus the Wembley fiasco! Two great chances both blown away!

Do you forget the comments from Zola, about how the squad is much stronger, how the pre season has made things a lot better than Zola's pre season preparation for the previous season 2012/13? Could be as in the previous season (2012/13) less influence from Zola the better. Or his Number two was better that season or both!

West hams's second season syndrome got Zola sacked, Watford's second season ??????????

Do you forget all these same fans saying Watford's squad is so big and so talented they could have two teams in the championship! By January our large squad will kick in when the likes of Burnley and the others will be 'on their knees' because of their small squads.

Well, we are now only 4 weeks from January, what's the view now? How honest was Zola when commenting on Abdi's injury? I had the impression he made 'light of it' two months ago! Where is Abdi now? If Zola didn't know the real situation at the time why comment without knowing the facts? Again why would he do that?

Four consecutive losses at home against not one of the top six sides, conceded 10 goals and scored 2 goals over four games, worst record in 20 years!

Time for the talking by Zola and his new captain to stop, time for action, this can only be turned around by a haul of 19 points from the next 24 available ie exactly the opposite in reverse that's to say - positive! Even then it will only return us to the 'Status Quo' with the rest of the season to go and nothing guaranteed!
Roger....... man to man.... is everything ok?

I know us men aren't very good at talking about things and seeking help when necessary but I've got a feeling that you're bottling things up. You never responded to my post on the other thread about the therapy and stuff (although you did respond to absolutely EVERYBODY else). I can cut and paste my comment onto this thread if you want me to, I guess you must've missed it?
[quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stoney77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]D.unstable[/bold] wrote: I really am at a loss as to what some people on here are thinking will happen if GFZ loses his job and is not given time to turn things around. Yes it is a shocking run of results and yes coincidently a terrible run on injuries to key players. Remember to that he does not recruit and therefore is it his fault that we have not replaced Vydra's pace and skill up front? Rightly so if he does not manage to turn things over the coming games or this side of Xmas then it mat be a very bleak forecast, however what will happen next? We will be sent somebody that the Pozzo's trust in coaching their players, somebody who will undoubtedly need time to bed in but also get to know The Championship. We will not get a ready made Jose Morinho that is for sure. The Pozzo's saved our club 18 months ago and they will ultimately sort this when they feel it is time, not by fan pressure!!! Why should they be bullied into quick snap decisions to keep the so called 'supporters' on side. I think we should show our owners, who are good footballing people a little more respect and gratitude rather than looking like a bunch of spoilt kids who do not appreciate what they are trying to do here. Reading some of the stuff on here and on twitter over the past few days, if I was Mr Pozzo I would be inclined to say forget the English project and sell it back to Bassini to do as he will. We all want success but sometimes you have to take one step back to take 2 forward. The danger is now that everybody always thinks they can do a better job. So if you are one who only jumped on the bandwagon the end of last season demanding instant success, please go and do one as you will be long gone the first time your expectations are met. COYH[/p][/quote]Well said mate, agree with every word.[/p][/quote]Unbelievable! What the Pozzos did then and what are are doing now is totally different! What is this slavish loyalty to the Pozzos about? We'll take any scraps off their table well maybe you and a lot more e fans on this site, but there are a few who won't. The Pozzos are good but they are not infallible! They get it wrong sometimes, this situation unfortunately is down to the Pozzos, Zola is their choice. There were 'tell tale' signs last season, the home game to Leeds (Zola, Deeny, Almunia) see the connection again? plus the Wembley fiasco! Two great chances both blown away! Do you forget the comments from Zola, about how the squad is much stronger, how the pre season has made things a lot better than Zola's pre season preparation for the previous season 2012/13? Could be as in the previous season (2012/13) less influence from Zola the better. Or his Number two was better that season or both! West hams's second season syndrome got Zola sacked, Watford's second season ?????????? Do you forget all these same fans saying Watford's squad is so big and so talented they could have two teams in the championship! By January our large squad will kick in when the likes of Burnley and the others will be 'on their knees' because of their small squads. Well, we are now only 4 weeks from January, what's the view now? How honest was Zola when commenting on Abdi's injury? I had the impression he made 'light of it' two months ago! Where is Abdi now? If Zola didn't know the real situation at the time why comment without knowing the facts? Again why would he do that? Four consecutive losses at home against not one of the top six sides, conceded 10 goals and scored 2 goals over four games, worst record in 20 years! Time for the talking by Zola and his new captain to stop, time for action, this can only be turned around by a haul of 19 points from the next 24 available ie exactly the opposite in reverse that's to say - positive! Even then it will only return us to the 'Status Quo' with the rest of the season to go and nothing guaranteed![/p][/quote]Roger....... man to man.... is everything ok? I know us men aren't very good at talking about things and seeking help when necessary but I've got a feeling that you're bottling things up. You never responded to my post on the other thread about the therapy and stuff (although you did respond to absolutely EVERYBODY else). I can cut and paste my comment onto this thread if you want me to, I guess you must've missed it? Stoney77

10:08am Tue 3 Dec 13

Harry's Bar says...

rogeruk wrote:
D.unstable wrote:
A little final thought of the day and something I often use at work, "don't bring me problems, bring me solutions!!"

There are a few on here who are very quick to highlight the obvious when things aren't 100% but we do not see any good argument as what happens next, just short term thinking of let's sack him!!
Would you say one win in eight games going back to Oct 5th is a short term situation?

If Zola cannot turn the situation around now (5 points from last 24, Watford is officially the worst club in the championship - half of the season so far), how bad will it be if he goes on like this to January? I'll tell you catastrophic!

Things aren't 100%! They are in fact only 20% (over the last eight games since 5th October).

Suggest you drop the clichés analyse your; “when things' aren't 100% but we do not see any good argument as what happens next, just short term thinking of let's sack him!


If Germany ever decides to invade again with fans like you - I suggest we put up the 'white flag' we've no chance!
What do you mean "ever decides to invade again".

I'm growing tired of your grand speeches and I'm indifferent to your pseudo intellectual ramblings, psycho babble and lectures on effective management.
[quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]D.unstable[/bold] wrote: A little final thought of the day and something I often use at work, "don't bring me problems, bring me solutions!!" There are a few on here who are very quick to highlight the obvious when things aren't 100% but we do not see any good argument as what happens next, just short term thinking of let's sack him!![/p][/quote]Would you say one win in eight games going back to Oct 5th is a short term situation? If Zola cannot turn the situation around now (5 points from last 24, Watford is officially the worst club in the championship - half of the season so far), how bad will it be if he goes on like this to January? I'll tell you catastrophic! Things aren't 100%! They are in fact only 20% (over the last eight games since 5th October). Suggest you drop the clichés analyse your; “when things' aren't 100% but we do not see any good argument as what happens next, just short term thinking of let's sack him! If Germany ever decides to invade again with fans like you - I suggest we put up the 'white flag' we've no chance![/p][/quote]What do you mean "ever decides to invade again". I'm growing tired of your grand speeches and I'm indifferent to your pseudo intellectual ramblings, psycho babble and lectures on effective management. Harry's Bar

11:06am Tue 3 Dec 13

lockerbiehornet says...

D.unstable wrote:
I really am at a loss as to what some people on here are thinking will happen if GFZ loses his job and is not given time to turn things around. Yes it is a shocking run of results and yes coincidently a terrible run on injuries to key players. Remember to that he does not recruit and therefore is it his fault that we have not replaced Vydra's pace and skill up front?

Rightly so if he does not manage to turn things over the coming games or this side of Xmas then it mat be a very bleak forecast, however what will happen next?

We will be sent somebody that the Pozzo's trust in coaching their players, somebody who will undoubtedly need time to bed in but also get to know The Championship. We will not get a ready made Jose Morinho that is for sure.

The Pozzo's saved our club 18 months ago and they will ultimately sort this when they feel it is time, not by fan pressure!!! Why should they be bullied into quick snap decisions to keep the so called 'supporters' on side.

I think we should show our owners, who are good footballing people a little more respect and gratitude rather than looking like a bunch of spoilt kids who do not appreciate what they are trying to do here.

Reading some of the stuff on here and on twitter over the past few days, if I was Mr Pozzo I would be inclined to say forget the English project and sell it back to Bassini to do as he will.

We all want success but sometimes you have to take one step back to take 2 forward. The danger is now that everybody always thinks they can do a better job.

So if you are one who only jumped on the bandwagon the end of last season demanding instant success, please go and do one as you will be long gone the first time your expectations are met.

COYH
At last... somebody with a little realism, respect and intelligence has commented on here. Spoilt brats is exactly how some are acting. To those of you travelling up tonight, have a safe journey and lose your voices, I'm envious of you all. COYGB's
[quote][p][bold]D.unstable[/bold] wrote: I really am at a loss as to what some people on here are thinking will happen if GFZ loses his job and is not given time to turn things around. Yes it is a shocking run of results and yes coincidently a terrible run on injuries to key players. Remember to that he does not recruit and therefore is it his fault that we have not replaced Vydra's pace and skill up front? Rightly so if he does not manage to turn things over the coming games or this side of Xmas then it mat be a very bleak forecast, however what will happen next? We will be sent somebody that the Pozzo's trust in coaching their players, somebody who will undoubtedly need time to bed in but also get to know The Championship. We will not get a ready made Jose Morinho that is for sure. The Pozzo's saved our club 18 months ago and they will ultimately sort this when they feel it is time, not by fan pressure!!! Why should they be bullied into quick snap decisions to keep the so called 'supporters' on side. I think we should show our owners, who are good footballing people a little more respect and gratitude rather than looking like a bunch of spoilt kids who do not appreciate what they are trying to do here. Reading some of the stuff on here and on twitter over the past few days, if I was Mr Pozzo I would be inclined to say forget the English project and sell it back to Bassini to do as he will. We all want success but sometimes you have to take one step back to take 2 forward. The danger is now that everybody always thinks they can do a better job. So if you are one who only jumped on the bandwagon the end of last season demanding instant success, please go and do one as you will be long gone the first time your expectations are met. COYH[/p][/quote]At last... somebody with a little realism, respect and intelligence has commented on here. Spoilt brats is exactly how some are acting. To those of you travelling up tonight, have a safe journey and lose your voices, I'm envious of you all. COYGB's lockerbiehornet

4:21pm Tue 3 Dec 13

Boosey says...

demerit wrote:
A hat-trick of good news in my opinion. I would doubt whether AA would be ready for Leeds but it would be good for us to get him back for Sheffield W so that we can thrash the socks off 'em and regain some confidence. I am wary though of how that will prolong what I and 90% of the people on here want to happen at management level....
Demerit, D.unstable, Mellow Yellow, Rogeruk and Stony who's the best?
There's only one one to find out.......... Fight!
[quote][p][bold]demerit[/bold] wrote: A hat-trick of good news in my opinion. I would doubt whether AA would be ready for Leeds but it would be good for us to get him back for Sheffield W so that we can thrash the socks off 'em and regain some confidence. I am wary though of how that will prolong what I and 90% of the people on here want to happen at management level....[/p][/quote]Demerit, D.unstable, Mellow Yellow, Rogeruk and Stony who's the best? There's only one one to find out.......... Fight! Boosey

4:29pm Tue 3 Dec 13

Boosey says...

Boosey wrote:
demerit wrote: A hat-trick of good news in my opinion. I would doubt whether AA would be ready for Leeds but it would be good for us to get him back for Sheffield W so that we can thrash the socks off 'em and regain some confidence. I am wary though of how that will prolong what I and 90% of the people on here want to happen at management level....
Demerit, D.unstable, Mellow Yellow, Rogeruk and Stony who's the best? There's only one one to find out.......... Fight!
There's only one way to find out........Fight!
Seriously though, the way you're all going, if you were all in a room, that's how it would finish. You need to chill out.
[quote][p][bold]Boosey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]demerit[/bold] wrote: A hat-trick of good news in my opinion. I would doubt whether AA would be ready for Leeds but it would be good for us to get him back for Sheffield W so that we can thrash the socks off 'em and regain some confidence. I am wary though of how that will prolong what I and 90% of the people on here want to happen at management level....[/p][/quote]Demerit, D.unstable, Mellow Yellow, Rogeruk and Stony who's the best? There's only one one to find out.......... Fight![/p][/quote]There's only one way to find out........Fight! Seriously though, the way you're all going, if you were all in a room, that's how it would finish. You need to chill out. Boosey

5:16pm Tue 3 Dec 13

Stoney77 says...

Boosey wrote:
Boosey wrote:
demerit wrote: A hat-trick of good news in my opinion. I would doubt whether AA would be ready for Leeds but it would be good for us to get him back for Sheffield W so that we can thrash the socks off 'em and regain some confidence. I am wary though of how that will prolong what I and 90% of the people on here want to happen at management level....
Demerit, D.unstable, Mellow Yellow, Rogeruk and Stony who's the best? There's only one one to find out.......... Fight!
There's only one way to find out........Fight!
Seriously though, the way you're all going, if you were all in a room, that's how it would finish. You need to chill out.
What about Hogweed and HC?... I'm sure they'd want to be involved....
[quote][p][bold]Boosey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Boosey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]demerit[/bold] wrote: A hat-trick of good news in my opinion. I would doubt whether AA would be ready for Leeds but it would be good for us to get him back for Sheffield W so that we can thrash the socks off 'em and regain some confidence. I am wary though of how that will prolong what I and 90% of the people on here want to happen at management level....[/p][/quote]Demerit, D.unstable, Mellow Yellow, Rogeruk and Stony who's the best? There's only one one to find out.......... Fight![/p][/quote]There's only one way to find out........Fight! Seriously though, the way you're all going, if you were all in a room, that's how it would finish. You need to chill out.[/p][/quote]What about Hogweed and HC?... I'm sure they'd want to be involved.... Stoney77

6:28pm Tue 3 Dec 13

Boosey says...

Stoney77 wrote:
Boosey wrote:
Boosey wrote:
demerit wrote: A hat-trick of good news in my opinion. I would doubt whether AA would be ready for Leeds but it would be good for us to get him back for Sheffield W so that we can thrash the socks off 'em and regain some confidence. I am wary though of how that will prolong what I and 90% of the people on here want to happen at management level....
Demerit, D.unstable, Mellow Yellow, Rogeruk and Stony who's the best? There's only one one to find out.......... Fight!
There's only one way to find out........Fight! Seriously though, the way you're all going, if you were all in a room, that's how it would finish. You need to chill out.
What about Hogweed and HC?... I'm sure they'd want to be involved....
True LOL
[quote][p][bold]Stoney77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Boosey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Boosey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]demerit[/bold] wrote: A hat-trick of good news in my opinion. I would doubt whether AA would be ready for Leeds but it would be good for us to get him back for Sheffield W so that we can thrash the socks off 'em and regain some confidence. I am wary though of how that will prolong what I and 90% of the people on here want to happen at management level....[/p][/quote]Demerit, D.unstable, Mellow Yellow, Rogeruk and Stony who's the best? There's only one one to find out.......... Fight![/p][/quote]There's only one way to find out........Fight! Seriously though, the way you're all going, if you were all in a room, that's how it would finish. You need to chill out.[/p][/quote]What about Hogweed and HC?... I'm sure they'd want to be involved....[/p][/quote]True LOL Boosey

9:49pm Tue 3 Dec 13

rogeruk says...

Stoney77 wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
Stoney77 wrote:
D.unstable wrote:
I really am at a loss as to what some people on here are thinking will happen if GFZ loses his job and is not given time to turn things around. Yes it is a shocking run of results and yes coincidently a terrible run on injuries to key players. Remember to that he does not recruit and therefore is it his fault that we have not replaced Vydra's pace and skill up front?

Rightly so if he does not manage to turn things over the coming games or this side of Xmas then it mat be a very bleak forecast, however what will happen next?

We will be sent somebody that the Pozzo's trust in coaching their players, somebody who will undoubtedly need time to bed in but also get to know The Championship. We will not get a ready made Jose Morinho that is for sure.

The Pozzo's saved our club 18 months ago and they will ultimately sort this when they feel it is time, not by fan pressure!!! Why should they be bullied into quick snap decisions to keep the so called 'supporters' on side.

I think we should show our owners, who are good footballing people a little more respect and gratitude rather than looking like a bunch of spoilt kids who do not appreciate what they are trying to do here.

Reading some of the stuff on here and on twitter over the past few days, if I was Mr Pozzo I would be inclined to say forget the English project and sell it back to Bassini to do as he will.

We all want success but sometimes you have to take one step back to take 2 forward. The danger is now that everybody always thinks they can do a better job.

So if you are one who only jumped on the bandwagon the end of last season demanding instant success, please go and do one as you will be long gone the first time your expectations are met.

COYH
Well said mate, agree with every word.
Unbelievable! What the Pozzos did then and what are are doing now is totally different! What is this slavish loyalty to the Pozzos about? We'll take any scraps off their table well maybe you and a lot more e fans on this site, but there are a few who won't.

The Pozzos are good but they are not infallible! They get it wrong sometimes, this situation unfortunately is down to the Pozzos, Zola is their choice. There were 'tell tale' signs last season, the home game to Leeds (Zola, Deeny, Almunia) see the connection again? plus the Wembley fiasco! Two great chances both blown away!

Do you forget the comments from Zola, about how the squad is much stronger, how the pre season has made things a lot better than Zola's pre season preparation for the previous season 2012/13? Could be as in the previous season (2012/13) less influence from Zola the better. Or his Number two was better that season or both!

West hams's second season syndrome got Zola sacked, Watford's second season ??????????

Do you forget all these same fans saying Watford's squad is so big and so talented they could have two teams in the championship! By January our large squad will kick in when the likes of Burnley and the others will be 'on their knees' because of their small squads.

Well, we are now only 4 weeks from January, what's the view now? How honest was Zola when commenting on Abdi's injury? I had the impression he made 'light of it' two months ago! Where is Abdi now? If Zola didn't know the real situation at the time why comment without knowing the facts? Again why would he do that?

Four consecutive losses at home against not one of the top six sides, conceded 10 goals and scored 2 goals over four games, worst record in 20 years!

Time for the talking by Zola and his new captain to stop, time for action, this can only be turned around by a haul of 19 points from the next 24 available ie exactly the opposite in reverse that's to say - positive! Even then it will only return us to the 'Status Quo' with the rest of the season to go and nothing guaranteed!
Roger....... man to man.... is everything ok?

I know us men aren't very good at talking about things and seeking help when necessary but I've got a feeling that you're bottling things up. You never responded to my post on the other thread about the therapy and stuff (although you did respond to absolutely EVERYBODY else). I can cut and paste my comment onto this thread if you want me to, I guess you must've missed it?
Counter argument the facts and try (I know its difficult) to stop being a Chav!
[quote][p][bold]Stoney77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stoney77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]D.unstable[/bold] wrote: I really am at a loss as to what some people on here are thinking will happen if GFZ loses his job and is not given time to turn things around. Yes it is a shocking run of results and yes coincidently a terrible run on injuries to key players. Remember to that he does not recruit and therefore is it his fault that we have not replaced Vydra's pace and skill up front? Rightly so if he does not manage to turn things over the coming games or this side of Xmas then it mat be a very bleak forecast, however what will happen next? We will be sent somebody that the Pozzo's trust in coaching their players, somebody who will undoubtedly need time to bed in but also get to know The Championship. We will not get a ready made Jose Morinho that is for sure. The Pozzo's saved our club 18 months ago and they will ultimately sort this when they feel it is time, not by fan pressure!!! Why should they be bullied into quick snap decisions to keep the so called 'supporters' on side. I think we should show our owners, who are good footballing people a little more respect and gratitude rather than looking like a bunch of spoilt kids who do not appreciate what they are trying to do here. Reading some of the stuff on here and on twitter over the past few days, if I was Mr Pozzo I would be inclined to say forget the English project and sell it back to Bassini to do as he will. We all want success but sometimes you have to take one step back to take 2 forward. The danger is now that everybody always thinks they can do a better job. So if you are one who only jumped on the bandwagon the end of last season demanding instant success, please go and do one as you will be long gone the first time your expectations are met. COYH[/p][/quote]Well said mate, agree with every word.[/p][/quote]Unbelievable! What the Pozzos did then and what are are doing now is totally different! What is this slavish loyalty to the Pozzos about? We'll take any scraps off their table well maybe you and a lot more e fans on this site, but there are a few who won't. The Pozzos are good but they are not infallible! They get it wrong sometimes, this situation unfortunately is down to the Pozzos, Zola is their choice. There were 'tell tale' signs last season, the home game to Leeds (Zola, Deeny, Almunia) see the connection again? plus the Wembley fiasco! Two great chances both blown away! Do you forget the comments from Zola, about how the squad is much stronger, how the pre season has made things a lot better than Zola's pre season preparation for the previous season 2012/13? Could be as in the previous season (2012/13) less influence from Zola the better. Or his Number two was better that season or both! West hams's second season syndrome got Zola sacked, Watford's second season ?????????? Do you forget all these same fans saying Watford's squad is so big and so talented they could have two teams in the championship! By January our large squad will kick in when the likes of Burnley and the others will be 'on their knees' because of their small squads. Well, we are now only 4 weeks from January, what's the view now? How honest was Zola when commenting on Abdi's injury? I had the impression he made 'light of it' two months ago! Where is Abdi now? If Zola didn't know the real situation at the time why comment without knowing the facts? Again why would he do that? Four consecutive losses at home against not one of the top six sides, conceded 10 goals and scored 2 goals over four games, worst record in 20 years! Time for the talking by Zola and his new captain to stop, time for action, this can only be turned around by a haul of 19 points from the next 24 available ie exactly the opposite in reverse that's to say - positive! Even then it will only return us to the 'Status Quo' with the rest of the season to go and nothing guaranteed![/p][/quote]Roger....... man to man.... is everything ok? I know us men aren't very good at talking about things and seeking help when necessary but I've got a feeling that you're bottling things up. You never responded to my post on the other thread about the therapy and stuff (although you did respond to absolutely EVERYBODY else). I can cut and paste my comment onto this thread if you want me to, I guess you must've missed it?[/p][/quote]Counter argument the facts and try (I know its difficult) to stop being a Chav! rogeruk

9:51pm Tue 3 Dec 13

rogeruk says...

Harry's Bar wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
D.unstable wrote:
A little final thought of the day and something I often use at work, "don't bring me problems, bring me solutions!!"

There are a few on here who are very quick to highlight the obvious when things aren't 100% but we do not see any good argument as what happens next, just short term thinking of let's sack him!!
Would you say one win in eight games going back to Oct 5th is a short term situation?

If Zola cannot turn the situation around now (5 points from last 24, Watford is officially the worst club in the championship - half of the season so far), how bad will it be if he goes on like this to January? I'll tell you catastrophic!

Things aren't 100%! They are in fact only 20% (over the last eight games since 5th October).

Suggest you drop the clichés analyse your; “when things' aren't 100% but we do not see any good argument as what happens next, just short term thinking of let's sack him!


If Germany ever decides to invade again with fans like you - I suggest we put up the 'white flag' we've no chance!
What do you mean "ever decides to invade again".

I'm growing tired of your grand speeches and I'm indifferent to your pseudo intellectual ramblings, psycho babble and lectures on effective management.
You're tired because your head is empty and you can't hold it up much less think!
[quote][p][bold]Harry's Bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]D.unstable[/bold] wrote: A little final thought of the day and something I often use at work, "don't bring me problems, bring me solutions!!" There are a few on here who are very quick to highlight the obvious when things aren't 100% but we do not see any good argument as what happens next, just short term thinking of let's sack him!![/p][/quote]Would you say one win in eight games going back to Oct 5th is a short term situation? If Zola cannot turn the situation around now (5 points from last 24, Watford is officially the worst club in the championship - half of the season so far), how bad will it be if he goes on like this to January? I'll tell you catastrophic! Things aren't 100%! They are in fact only 20% (over the last eight games since 5th October). Suggest you drop the clichés analyse your; “when things' aren't 100% but we do not see any good argument as what happens next, just short term thinking of let's sack him! If Germany ever decides to invade again with fans like you - I suggest we put up the 'white flag' we've no chance![/p][/quote]What do you mean "ever decides to invade again". I'm growing tired of your grand speeches and I'm indifferent to your pseudo intellectual ramblings, psycho babble and lectures on effective management.[/p][/quote]You're tired because your head is empty and you can't hold it up much less think! rogeruk

9:54pm Tue 3 Dec 13

rogeruk says...

Harry's Bar wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
D.unstable wrote:
A little final thought of the day and something I often use at work, "don't bring me problems, bring me solutions!!"

There are a few on here who are very quick to highlight the obvious when things aren't 100% but we do not see any good argument as what happens next, just short term thinking of let's sack him!!
Would you say one win in eight games going back to Oct 5th is a short term situation?

If Zola cannot turn the situation around now (5 points from last 24, Watford is officially the worst club in the championship - half of the season so far), how bad will it be if he goes on like this to January? I'll tell you catastrophic!

Things aren't 100%! They are in fact only 20% (over the last eight games since 5th October).

Suggest you drop the clichés analyse your; “when things' aren't 100% but we do not see any good argument as what happens next, just short term thinking of let's sack him!


If Germany ever decides to invade again with fans like you - I suggest we put up the 'white flag' we've no chance!
What do you mean "ever decides to invade again".

I'm growing tired of your grand speeches and I'm indifferent to your pseudo intellectual ramblings, psycho babble and lectures on effective management.
Your problem is you cannot take the truth, you are in denial, you cannot put together a logical and reasoned argument without reverting to type.

Your resort to insults and pathetic ones at that, you were born to be a loser just accept it!
[quote][p][bold]Harry's Bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]D.unstable[/bold] wrote: A little final thought of the day and something I often use at work, "don't bring me problems, bring me solutions!!" There are a few on here who are very quick to highlight the obvious when things aren't 100% but we do not see any good argument as what happens next, just short term thinking of let's sack him!![/p][/quote]Would you say one win in eight games going back to Oct 5th is a short term situation? If Zola cannot turn the situation around now (5 points from last 24, Watford is officially the worst club in the championship - half of the season so far), how bad will it be if he goes on like this to January? I'll tell you catastrophic! Things aren't 100%! They are in fact only 20% (over the last eight games since 5th October). Suggest you drop the clichés analyse your; “when things' aren't 100% but we do not see any good argument as what happens next, just short term thinking of let's sack him! If Germany ever decides to invade again with fans like you - I suggest we put up the 'white flag' we've no chance![/p][/quote]What do you mean "ever decides to invade again". I'm growing tired of your grand speeches and I'm indifferent to your pseudo intellectual ramblings, psycho babble and lectures on effective management.[/p][/quote]Your problem is you cannot take the truth, you are in denial, you cannot put together a logical and reasoned argument without reverting to type. Your resort to insults and pathetic ones at that, you were born to be a loser just accept it! rogeruk

9:57pm Tue 3 Dec 13

rogeruk says...

Harry's Bar wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
D.unstable wrote:
A little final thought of the day and something I often use at work, "don't bring me problems, bring me solutions!!"

There are a few on here who are very quick to highlight the obvious when things aren't 100% but we do not see any good argument as what happens next, just short term thinking of let's sack him!!
Would you say one win in eight games going back to Oct 5th is a short term situation?

If Zola cannot turn the situation around now (5 points from last 24, Watford is officially the worst club in the championship - half of the season so far), how bad will it be if he goes on like this to January? I'll tell you catastrophic!

Things aren't 100%! They are in fact only 20% (over the last eight games since 5th October).

Suggest you drop the clichés analyse your; “when things' aren't 100% but we do not see any good argument as what happens next, just short term thinking of let's sack him!


If Germany ever decides to invade again with fans like you - I suggest we put up the 'white flag' we've no chance!
What do you mean "ever decides to invade again".

I'm growing tired of your grand speeches and I'm indifferent to your pseudo intellectual ramblings, psycho babble and lectures on effective management.
Tweet tonight sums it up beautifully:

Farren Cullen ‏@FarrenCullen_ 15m
I just can't stand how chavy some of the people in Watford are
[quote][p][bold]Harry's Bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]D.unstable[/bold] wrote: A little final thought of the day and something I often use at work, "don't bring me problems, bring me solutions!!" There are a few on here who are very quick to highlight the obvious when things aren't 100% but we do not see any good argument as what happens next, just short term thinking of let's sack him!![/p][/quote]Would you say one win in eight games going back to Oct 5th is a short term situation? If Zola cannot turn the situation around now (5 points from last 24, Watford is officially the worst club in the championship - half of the season so far), how bad will it be if he goes on like this to January? I'll tell you catastrophic! Things aren't 100%! They are in fact only 20% (over the last eight games since 5th October). Suggest you drop the clichés analyse your; “when things' aren't 100% but we do not see any good argument as what happens next, just short term thinking of let's sack him! If Germany ever decides to invade again with fans like you - I suggest we put up the 'white flag' we've no chance![/p][/quote]What do you mean "ever decides to invade again". I'm growing tired of your grand speeches and I'm indifferent to your pseudo intellectual ramblings, psycho babble and lectures on effective management.[/p][/quote]Tweet tonight sums it up beautifully: Farren Cullen ‏@FarrenCullen_ 15m I just can't stand how chavy some of the people in Watford are rogeruk

10:01pm Tue 3 Dec 13

rogeruk says...

mellow yellow wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
D.unstable wrote:
A little final thought of the day and something I often use at work, "don't bring me problems, bring me solutions!!"

There are a few on here who are very quick to highlight the obvious when things aren't 100% but we do not see any good argument as what happens next, just short term thinking of let's sack him!!
Would you say one win in eight games going back to Oct 5th is a short term situation?

If Zola cannot turn the situation around now (5 points from last 24, Watford is officially the worst club in the championship - half of the season so far), how bad will it be if he goes on like this to January? I'll tell you catastrophic!

Things aren't 100%! They are in fact only 20% (over the last eight games since 5th October).

Suggest you drop the clichés analyse your; “when things' aren't 100% but we do not see any good argument as what happens next, just short term thinking of let's sack him!


If Germany ever decides to invade again with fans like you - I suggest we put up the 'white flag' we've no chance!
Oh dear. What a tragic sign off. The Germans were, of course, allied with the Italians. It has been Italians that have saved our club. To that extent we have been invaded already, and am thankful for that!

Anyone who brings war references into a football debate preached the language of a jingoistic impatient buffoon.

Nuff said.
It's an analogy! whenever someone resorts to calling you a racist, jingoistic or a buffoon, it means they have lost the argument! Its a classic case type of someone who is very insecure in themselves! Seek help!
[quote][p][bold]mellow yellow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]D.unstable[/bold] wrote: A little final thought of the day and something I often use at work, "don't bring me problems, bring me solutions!!" There are a few on here who are very quick to highlight the obvious when things aren't 100% but we do not see any good argument as what happens next, just short term thinking of let's sack him!![/p][/quote]Would you say one win in eight games going back to Oct 5th is a short term situation? If Zola cannot turn the situation around now (5 points from last 24, Watford is officially the worst club in the championship - half of the season so far), how bad will it be if he goes on like this to January? I'll tell you catastrophic! Things aren't 100%! They are in fact only 20% (over the last eight games since 5th October). Suggest you drop the clichés analyse your; “when things' aren't 100% but we do not see any good argument as what happens next, just short term thinking of let's sack him! If Germany ever decides to invade again with fans like you - I suggest we put up the 'white flag' we've no chance![/p][/quote]Oh dear. What a tragic sign off. The Germans were, of course, allied with the Italians. It has been Italians that have saved our club. To that extent we have been invaded already, and am thankful for that! Anyone who brings war references into a football debate preached the language of a jingoistic impatient buffoon. Nuff said.[/p][/quote]It's an analogy! whenever someone resorts to calling you a racist, jingoistic or a buffoon, it means they have lost the argument! Its a classic case type of someone who is very insecure in themselves! Seek help! rogeruk

10:03pm Tue 3 Dec 13

rogeruk says...

Harry's Bar wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
D.unstable wrote:
A little final thought of the day and something I often use at work, "don't bring me problems, bring me solutions!!"

There are a few on here who are very quick to highlight the obvious when things aren't 100% but we do not see any good argument as what happens next, just short term thinking of let's sack him!!
Would you say one win in eight games going back to Oct 5th is a short term situation?

If Zola cannot turn the situation around now (5 points from last 24, Watford is officially the worst club in the championship - half of the season so far), how bad will it be if he goes on like this to January? I'll tell you catastrophic!

Things aren't 100%! They are in fact only 20% (over the last eight games since 5th October).

Suggest you drop the clichés analyse your; “when things' aren't 100% but we do not see any good argument as what happens next, just short term thinking of let's sack him!


If Germany ever decides to invade again with fans like you - I suggest we put up the 'white flag' we've no chance!
What do you mean "ever decides to invade again".

I'm growing tired of your grand speeches and I'm indifferent to your pseudo intellectual ramblings, psycho babble and lectures on effective management.
It means that you are now a nation of wimps with no backbone, even have to explain that to you!
[quote][p][bold]Harry's Bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]D.unstable[/bold] wrote: A little final thought of the day and something I often use at work, "don't bring me problems, bring me solutions!!" There are a few on here who are very quick to highlight the obvious when things aren't 100% but we do not see any good argument as what happens next, just short term thinking of let's sack him!![/p][/quote]Would you say one win in eight games going back to Oct 5th is a short term situation? If Zola cannot turn the situation around now (5 points from last 24, Watford is officially the worst club in the championship - half of the season so far), how bad will it be if he goes on like this to January? I'll tell you catastrophic! Things aren't 100%! They are in fact only 20% (over the last eight games since 5th October). Suggest you drop the clichés analyse your; “when things' aren't 100% but we do not see any good argument as what happens next, just short term thinking of let's sack him! If Germany ever decides to invade again with fans like you - I suggest we put up the 'white flag' we've no chance![/p][/quote]What do you mean "ever decides to invade again". I'm growing tired of your grand speeches and I'm indifferent to your pseudo intellectual ramblings, psycho babble and lectures on effective management.[/p][/quote]It means that you are now a nation of wimps with no backbone, even have to explain that to you! rogeruk

10:06pm Tue 3 Dec 13

rogeruk says...

luther blissett wrote:
ZOLA IN.

With a midfield last season of Anya, Abdi, Chalobah & Hogg all missing, along with Vydra, of course we are struggling.........a

ny team would. Added to that our best defender and no.1 gk are missing.

And none of the above missing is Zola's fault. He tried to keep all of them.
No it's not Zola's fault for anything, he gets paid for being Head Coach to manage the football team and results, the Pozzo's give him free reign to be allowed to manage watford fc with no responsibility or accountability.

Get real!
[quote][p][bold]luther blissett[/bold] wrote: ZOLA IN. With a midfield last season of Anya, Abdi, Chalobah & Hogg all missing, along with Vydra, of course we are struggling.........a ny team would. Added to that our best defender and no.1 gk are missing. And none of the above missing is Zola's fault. He tried to keep all of them.[/p][/quote]No it's not Zola's fault for anything, he gets paid for being Head Coach to manage the football team and results, the Pozzo's give him free reign to be allowed to manage watford fc with no responsibility or accountability. Get real! rogeruk

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