Gianfranco Zola says Watford's players deserve more

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Gianfranco Zola says he is “trying everything” to turn Watford’s poor run of form around and says the players “deserve more” than their recent results.

The Hornets have not won in nine matches and today lost their fifth consecutive home game – the first time that has happened in 23 years.

The head coach has tried to change the formation and personnel during their poor recent run and when he was asked what more he could, Zola replied: “We are trying everything; training differently and trying to do different things and it is not working.

“But I do believe in this group and the values and those values will come out. I do hope that it will be soon because this is a group which deserves more.”

Today’s 1-0 defeat to Sheffield Wednesday made it four home games in a row without scoring.

“Today we did score and the goal was disallowed,” Zola responded when his side’s goal drought at Vicarage Road was mentioned.

The Hornets played well in the first half and Ikechi Anya had the ball in the net following an excellent through ball by Troy Deeney, only for the goal to ruled out due to offside.

“It was definitely a goal. We have seen it more than once and it was definitely onside,” Zola added.

But in the second half, Sheffield Wednesday dropped deeper and the Hornets struggled to create clear-cut chances, as has often been the case at home this season.

Zola admitted: “In front of the goalkeeper we are not as confident as we were some time ago. To be honest it is becoming very difficult to get people in front of the goalkeeper because of the way the opposition plays with lots of men at the back and we do not create enough opportunities.

“That is the situation. Unfortunately it hasn’t been easy and we tried to do something different today to play one striker less and to try to have a more balanced team. We created some chances but it wasn’t enough.

“What is the real problem? I certainly don’t know. We are not going through a good moment in terms of confidence. We produce chances but it is difficult for us to score and when the opposition have one chance – like they did today and many times in the past - they score. That certainly doesn’t help the confidence of the players and that is what is creating a lot of pressure with the players and everyone.

“Now I know football is about results and results are more important than anything so I understand that and I will see what the best thing to do is.”

Whilst much of the first half was good from the Hornets, the second period was very poor as they failed to create a clear-cut opportunity before Fernando Forestieri missed deep into injury time.

Zola said: “Second half we lost momentum. We were not as good as the first half but you have to understand that in football. Psychology comes into play when you play well in the first half and then still find yourself 1-0 down, that is when you get a bit more edgy and that is what happens. We lost a little bit of it. Unfortunately we didn’t manage the same quality of play as the first half.

“We had a great chance in the end and at another time we may have scored but it didn’t happen and we are getting highly penalised at the moment.”

Zola’s decision to switch to a 4-5-1 formation seemingly paid off last week when they secured two good away points at high-flying Burnley and Leeds United but he was asked whether he regretted not playing two up front at Vicarage Road this afternoon.

He said: “Well I could have done that [played two strikers] and I did think about it but I thought in the last two games the team was balanced and played good games so I wanted to see how they would cope in a home game.

“It is difficult because I thought the team played well against Burnley and Leeds and I thought those players [in that system] deserved another go today. I could always change towards the end if needed but honestly after the first half I didn’t see the necessity to do that. I don’t think it [playing with two strikers] would have made a big difference.”

Zola sent the players out early after half time and he explained: “The thinking was that I wasn’t sure we were ready and I wanted them to be ready straight away – to give a signal to everyone.”

Davide Faraoni twisted his ankle early into the second half but Zola said it was too early to know how long the defender would be out.

Zola admitted he is unsure if he can turn Watford’s fortunes around after a fifth consecutive home defeat. Read those comments here.

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10:31pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Hornet Cornet says...

I'm building p to an almighty rant. How the f**k I have managed to keep quiet over the past 4-5 hours is beyond me.
I'm building p to an almighty rant. How the f**k I have managed to keep quiet over the past 4-5 hours is beyond me. Hornet Cornet

10:36pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Goldentrue1 says...

Hornet Cornet wrote:
I'm building p to an almighty rant. How the f**k I have managed to keep quiet over the past 4-5 hours is beyond me.
Please stay that way as well...
[quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: I'm building p to an almighty rant. How the f**k I have managed to keep quiet over the past 4-5 hours is beyond me.[/p][/quote]Please stay that way as well... Goldentrue1

10:39pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Hornet Cornet says...

Goldentrue1 wrote:
Hornet Cornet wrote: I'm building p to an almighty rant. How the f**k I have managed to keep quiet over the past 4-5 hours is beyond me.
Please stay that way as well...
go and do some deluded happy clapping and pretend GZ is the best manager ever. It's best you keep your optimistic happy baccy ideas to yourself my golden little wombat
[quote][p][bold]Goldentrue1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: I'm building p to an almighty rant. How the f**k I have managed to keep quiet over the past 4-5 hours is beyond me.[/p][/quote]Please stay that way as well...[/p][/quote]go and do some deluded happy clapping and pretend GZ is the best manager ever. It's best you keep your optimistic happy baccy ideas to yourself my golden little wombat Hornet Cornet

10:43pm Sat 14 Dec 13

femalehornet122 says...

I tthink t would be sad to loose Zola. We are all in this together an together we must find the way forward. We over performed last year and this year we are suspect but it does not good to loose a good manager. We need to relook at how we are working rotgether and look at changes. we need to find a way through a 10 man defence because that is what they did today, just blocked us out.
We also need ot concentrate on set pieces to do to others what is being done to us.

I would hope we can all work together to resolve this without looking for Zola to go anywhere. It would be sad day
I tthink t would be sad to loose Zola. We are all in this together an together we must find the way forward. We over performed last year and this year we are suspect but it does not good to loose a good manager. We need to relook at how we are working rotgether and look at changes. we need to find a way through a 10 man defence because that is what they did today, just blocked us out. We also need ot concentrate on set pieces to do to others what is being done to us. I would hope we can all work together to resolve this without looking for Zola to go anywhere. It would be sad day femalehornet122

10:57pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Doctor of Letters says...

femalehornet122 wrote:
I tthink t would be sad to loose Zola. We are all in this together an together we must find the way forward. We over performed last year and this year we are suspect but it does not good to loose a good manager. We need to relook at how we are working rotgether and look at changes. we need to find a way through a 10 man defence because that is what they did today, just blocked us out.
We also need ot concentrate on set pieces to do to others what is being done to us.

I would hope we can all work together to resolve this without looking for Zola to go anywhere. It would be sad day
A wise & patient contribution afloat in what's about to become a sea of effluence, I suspect. Well said.
[quote][p][bold]femalehornet122[/bold] wrote: I tthink t would be sad to loose Zola. We are all in this together an together we must find the way forward. We over performed last year and this year we are suspect but it does not good to loose a good manager. We need to relook at how we are working rotgether and look at changes. we need to find a way through a 10 man defence because that is what they did today, just blocked us out. We also need ot concentrate on set pieces to do to others what is being done to us. I would hope we can all work together to resolve this without looking for Zola to go anywhere. It would be sad day[/p][/quote]A wise & patient contribution afloat in what's about to become a sea of effluence, I suspect. Well said. Doctor of Letters

10:58pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Hornet Cornet says...

Right, GZ has to go. Utterly sick of the drivel spouted by numerous posters on the Wobbo site who contsantly slate me and those of us who have been saying for a period of time that GZ has to go. Those of you who used to slag me off,saying I was negatve and this and that, go and assess your level of reality and intelligence. Go and berate yourselves for being dim and prejudiced against people who write the truth.

Those of you who still think I am wrong, go and read what GZ is now saying and you will see that you've been living in this sort of twilight world where everything is rosey and nothing will spoil your enjoyment of it all.

It's dimwitted plonkers on this site who always back the manager, who always abuse us posters who write the truth, who refuse to take action when the club is in crisis, that make this site as worthless as it has become.

I challenge those if you who abused me and said I was negative, name-called and such, to mitigate your comments. Now continue spouting the mistruths that make your lives as pointless as they are.

Roger UK, DeMerit, etc, our beliefs and opinions have been justified. Unfortuntaley the Pozzos should have seen this a while back.

HC
Right, GZ has to go. Utterly sick of the drivel spouted by numerous posters on the Wobbo site who contsantly slate me and those of us who have been saying for a period of time that GZ has to go. Those of you who used to slag me off,saying I was negatve and this and that, go and assess your level of reality and intelligence. Go and berate yourselves for being dim and prejudiced against people who write the truth. Those of you who still think I am wrong, go and read what GZ is now saying and you will see that you've been living in this sort of twilight world where everything is rosey and nothing will spoil your enjoyment of it all. It's dimwitted plonkers on this site who always back the manager, who always abuse us posters who write the truth, who refuse to take action when the club is in crisis, that make this site as worthless as it has become. I challenge those if you who abused me and said I was negative, name-called and such, to mitigate your comments. Now continue spouting the mistruths that make your lives as pointless as they are. Roger UK, DeMerit, etc, our beliefs and opinions have been justified. Unfortuntaley the Pozzos should have seen this a while back. HC Hornet Cornet

11:00pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Meridenman says...

femalehornet122 wrote:
I tthink t would be sad to loose Zola. We are all in this together an together we must find the way forward. We over performed last year and this year we are suspect but it does not good to loose a good manager. We need to relook at how we are working rotgether and look at changes. we need to find a way through a 10 man defence because that is what they did today, just blocked us out.
We also need ot concentrate on set pieces to do to others what is being done to us.

I would hope we can all work together to resolve this without looking for Zola to go anywhere. It would be sad day
Struggling to see how he is a good manager, underachieved last year with a better squad and then this year struggling to work out the best formation for a poorer squad. It looks like a west ham second season scenario, there is no excuse to lose 5 at home in a row, go now mr Zola, it is becoming so embarrassing!
[quote][p][bold]femalehornet122[/bold] wrote: I tthink t would be sad to loose Zola. We are all in this together an together we must find the way forward. We over performed last year and this year we are suspect but it does not good to loose a good manager. We need to relook at how we are working rotgether and look at changes. we need to find a way through a 10 man defence because that is what they did today, just blocked us out. We also need ot concentrate on set pieces to do to others what is being done to us. I would hope we can all work together to resolve this without looking for Zola to go anywhere. It would be sad day[/p][/quote]Struggling to see how he is a good manager, underachieved last year with a better squad and then this year struggling to work out the best formation for a poorer squad. It looks like a west ham second season scenario, there is no excuse to lose 5 at home in a row, go now mr Zola, it is becoming so embarrassing! Meridenman

11:01pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Hornet Cornet says...

femalehornet122 wrote:
I tthink t would be sad to loose Zola. We are all in this together an together we must find the way forward. We over performed last year and this year we are suspect but it does not good to loose a good manager. We need to relook at how we are working rotgether and look at changes. we need to find a way through a 10 man defence because that is what they did today, just blocked us out. We also need ot concentrate on set pieces to do to others what is being done to us. I would hope we can all work together to resolve this without looking for Zola to go anywhere. It would be sad day
First, try using a spell / grammar checker.
Secondly, we did not overachieve. This is a pointless phrase - last season we generally played well and would have gone up had it not been for GZ's tactical ineptitude.
Thirdly, he isnt a good manager, he has a woeful management record.
Fourthly, what's this rubbish about a 10-man defence? If all teams defend the way you say, we'll end up with zero points this season. Nonsence.
Finally, the way to work together would be to sack GZ and bring Steve Clarke in.

HC
[quote][p][bold]femalehornet122[/bold] wrote: I tthink t would be sad to loose Zola. We are all in this together an together we must find the way forward. We over performed last year and this year we are suspect but it does not good to loose a good manager. We need to relook at how we are working rotgether and look at changes. we need to find a way through a 10 man defence because that is what they did today, just blocked us out. We also need ot concentrate on set pieces to do to others what is being done to us. I would hope we can all work together to resolve this without looking for Zola to go anywhere. It would be sad day[/p][/quote]First, try using a spell / grammar checker. Secondly, we did not overachieve. This is a pointless phrase - last season we generally played well and would have gone up had it not been for GZ's tactical ineptitude. Thirdly, he isnt a good manager, he has a woeful management record. Fourthly, what's this rubbish about a 10-man defence? If all teams defend the way you say, we'll end up with zero points this season. Nonsence. Finally, the way to work together would be to sack GZ and bring Steve Clarke in. HC Hornet Cornet

11:07pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Dutch Hornet says...

I am not qualified to know whether the current squad are good enough but the responsibility of team selection and tactics are down to the coach and his assistants.

We could take the romantic view about Zola being a nice guy, professional, everyone in the game likes him etc etc. Football today is a business, lets not kid ourselves. The Pozzo family want to see a return on their investment whether that's promotion to the premier league in one, five or 10 years. However to do that you have to win football matches. Nothing more.

Success last year may have been a bit quick, but in year 2 would look for signs that the team is consistently looking like a top 6 outfit. Unfortunately this has not been the case so far this season.

Is Zola the right man for job? Based purely on results, no. The Pozzo's have 2 choices - bring in an experienced number 2 or replace Zola but do something and do it quick. There is clearly a lot of enthusiasm around watford fc right now, let's keep that going before it's too late and still have time to have an impact on this division.
I am not qualified to know whether the current squad are good enough but the responsibility of team selection and tactics are down to the coach and his assistants. We could take the romantic view about Zola being a nice guy, professional, everyone in the game likes him etc etc. Football today is a business, lets not kid ourselves. The Pozzo family want to see a return on their investment whether that's promotion to the premier league in one, five or 10 years. However to do that you have to win football matches. Nothing more. Success last year may have been a bit quick, but in year 2 would look for signs that the team is consistently looking like a top 6 outfit. Unfortunately this has not been the case so far this season. Is Zola the right man for job? Based purely on results, no. The Pozzo's have 2 choices - bring in an experienced number 2 or replace Zola but do something and do it quick. There is clearly a lot of enthusiasm around watford fc right now, let's keep that going before it's too late and still have time to have an impact on this division. Dutch Hornet

11:08pm Sat 14 Dec 13

stevyweavy says...

I love Zola as a manager but he is not yet the finished article and needs to have solid support to supplement his obvious ability. Unfortunately when, for whatever reason, he let a large part of the coaching staff that helped him to the heights achieved last season go and chose to replace them with a Johnny Nobody mate that I have yet to find any past proof of him ever being on this planet prior to joining Watford, all that hard work went out the window. Last season, when we started with a practically all new team and coaching staff with an understandably slow start, there was only one way and that was up - and how we went up! Then into this pre-season we started from a much higher base point and looked even better. But!!! Changing the coaching staff and instead of last season when we started low and reached such heights, we have started high and dropped so low and are continuing to drop like a stone. You had support but chose to give that up for a still unexplained reason to provide a job for your friend and unfortunately you are not good enough to carry him and the hopes of Watford Town and it is likely to lead ultimately to your demise (but hopefully not our team as well!!!). Ditch your friend immediately and get some support that knows what they are doing and you could still turn it around and re-assert yourself as our Club's hero, if not then it is likely to be a disappointing "Cheerio", where you, the Pozzos, the fans, the Club and the town are all losers - Please don't let this happen.
I love Zola as a manager but he is not yet the finished article and needs to have solid support to supplement his obvious ability. Unfortunately when, for whatever reason, he let a large part of the coaching staff that helped him to the heights achieved last season go and chose to replace them with a Johnny Nobody mate that I have yet to find any past proof of him ever being on this planet prior to joining Watford, all that hard work went out the window. Last season, when we started with a practically all new team and coaching staff with an understandably slow start, there was only one way and that was up - and how we went up! Then into this pre-season we started from a much higher base point and looked even better. But!!! Changing the coaching staff and instead of last season when we started low and reached such heights, we have started high and dropped so low and are continuing to drop like a stone. You had support but chose to give that up for a still unexplained reason to provide a job for your friend and unfortunately you are not good enough to carry him and the hopes of Watford Town and it is likely to lead ultimately to your demise (but hopefully not our team as well!!!). Ditch your friend immediately and get some support that knows what they are doing and you could still turn it around and re-assert yourself as our Club's hero, if not then it is likely to be a disappointing "Cheerio", where you, the Pozzos, the fans, the Club and the town are all losers - Please don't let this happen. stevyweavy

11:11pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Hornet Cornet says...

what obvious ability, apart from ruining clubs that he manages?
what obvious ability, apart from ruining clubs that he manages? Hornet Cornet

11:16pm Sat 14 Dec 13

supermikey says...

Damage done last year tinkering... Charlton and Bristol City.... You can't expect a team to settle changing the formation every week and even during the game, especially in defence.
Damage done last year tinkering... Charlton and Bristol City.... You can't expect a team to settle changing the formation every week and even during the game, especially in defence. supermikey

11:38pm Sat 14 Dec 13

rogeruk says...

Hornet Cornet wrote:
I'm building p to an almighty rant. How the f**k I have managed to keep quiet over the past 4-5 hours is beyond me.
Remember the crap I took from all those happy clappers? Today, they quote my ideas about Zola, when all they could do previously was insults. What can you do?

There is a certain group of people that are beyond logic, I didn't realize Watford have so many happy clappers. And 'we love the Pozzos - they can do no wrong' clappers. I told them many times; Pozzos are not Gods, they can screw up! You saw the abuse! I said nice men don’t make leaders, take Ferguson he didn't make friends with his players! And so on!

We both advocated six weeks ago Zola was not up to it! We could see week after week Zola was drowning, he should have asked for help then! It’s too late now! If Zola had been more honest about his situation he could still have had a future. He wasn't honest about Abdi’s injury either, leading fans to believe Abdi would be back in a few weeks, knowing Abdi’s diagnosis now, we will be lucky to see him this season , he may come back but it is touch and go!

Zola will go the way of Vialli, too much pride! Watford’s UK management and Pozzo son should have intervened earlier, they may be football savvy in Italy, and however, they still have a lot to learn about English football and English football culture! Sure there is some new quality in the team, but nothing like last season’s; , Vydra, Challobah Abdi and Zola’s No 2 have not been replaced! Could be the success of last season was in spite of Zola not because of him! Quite a few Duds have been sent from the Pozzo Bank of Players into the UK squad, which in my view is disrespectful to Watford and the fans!

Zola in my mind was finished after Wembley last year. I saw the signs, I have sufficient international experience in managing companies and individuals in four countries to recognize the symptoms.
[quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: I'm building p to an almighty rant. How the f**k I have managed to keep quiet over the past 4-5 hours is beyond me.[/p][/quote]Remember the crap I took from all those happy clappers? Today, they quote my ideas about Zola, when all they could do previously was insults. What can you do? There is a certain group of people that are beyond logic, I didn't realize Watford have so many happy clappers. And 'we love the Pozzos - they can do no wrong' clappers. I told them many times; Pozzos are not Gods, they can screw up! You saw the abuse! I said nice men don’t make leaders, take Ferguson he didn't make friends with his players! And so on! We both advocated six weeks ago Zola was not up to it! We could see week after week Zola was drowning, he should have asked for help then! It’s too late now! If Zola had been more honest about his situation he could still have had a future. He wasn't honest about Abdi’s injury either, leading fans to believe Abdi would be back in a few weeks, knowing Abdi’s diagnosis now, we will be lucky to see him this season , he may come back but it is touch and go! Zola will go the way of Vialli, too much pride! Watford’s UK management and Pozzo son should have intervened earlier, they may be football savvy in Italy, and however, they still have a lot to learn about English football and English football culture! Sure there is some new quality in the team, but nothing like last season’s; , Vydra, Challobah Abdi and Zola’s No 2 have not been replaced! Could be the success of last season was in spite of Zola not because of him! Quite a few Duds have been sent from the Pozzo Bank of Players into the UK squad, which in my view is disrespectful to Watford and the fans! Zola in my mind was finished after Wembley last year. I saw the signs, I have sufficient international experience in managing companies and individuals in four countries to recognize the symptoms. rogeruk

11:47pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Hornet Cornet says...

rogeruk wrote:
Hornet Cornet wrote: I'm building p to an almighty rant. How the f**k I have managed to keep quiet over the past 4-5 hours is beyond me.
Remember the crap I took from all those happy clappers? Today, they quote my ideas about Zola, when all they could do previously was insults. What can you do? There is a certain group of people that are beyond logic, I didn't realize Watford have so many happy clappers. And 'we love the Pozzos - they can do no wrong' clappers. I told them many times; Pozzos are not Gods, they can screw up! You saw the abuse! I said nice men don’t make leaders, take Ferguson he didn't make friends with his players! And so on! We both advocated six weeks ago Zola was not up to it! We could see week after week Zola was drowning, he should have asked for help then! It’s too late now! If Zola had been more honest about his situation he could still have had a future. He wasn't honest about Abdi’s injury either, leading fans to believe Abdi would be back in a few weeks, knowing Abdi’s diagnosis now, we will be lucky to see him this season , he may come back but it is touch and go! Zola will go the way of Vialli, too much pride! Watford’s UK management and Pozzo son should have intervened earlier, they may be football savvy in Italy, and however, they still have a lot to learn about English football and English football culture! Sure there is some new quality in the team, but nothing like last season’s; , Vydra, Challobah Abdi and Zola’s No 2 have not been replaced! Could be the success of last season was in spite of Zola not because of him! Quite a few Duds have been sent from the Pozzo Bank of Players into the UK squad, which in my view is disrespectful to Watford and the fans! Zola in my mind was finished after Wembley last year. I saw the signs, I have sufficient international experience in managing companies and individuals in four countries to recognize the symptoms.
Completely valid and reasoned points there. How can so many deluded pumpkins who purport to being Watford fans, continually spout so much unreasoned rubbish. "Zola will come good" some of them said, "Stop being so negative" they said, "stop doom-mongering" they whinged at us two, yet all we have ever done is seek the truth. We want nothing more than Watford to be successful yet people still ignored the signs.

Our performance at wemley was shockig, pretty much every performance bar a couple have been hopeless yet some donkeys on this site still refuse to believe that GZ has helped to ruin the club. If the Pozzo's pull out, and with our complete lack f home-grown talent, we will sink.

We are currently heading towards League 1 (anyone care ot argue??) and there are no signs of any change at the club.

Makes me sick the way the Pozzo's havent acted upon our managerial disaster, and how so many 'fans' think GZ is the man for the job.

GZ has the management pedigree of a mongrel.

He is hopeless and needs to go.

HC
[quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: I'm building p to an almighty rant. How the f**k I have managed to keep quiet over the past 4-5 hours is beyond me.[/p][/quote]Remember the crap I took from all those happy clappers? Today, they quote my ideas about Zola, when all they could do previously was insults. What can you do? There is a certain group of people that are beyond logic, I didn't realize Watford have so many happy clappers. And 'we love the Pozzos - they can do no wrong' clappers. I told them many times; Pozzos are not Gods, they can screw up! You saw the abuse! I said nice men don’t make leaders, take Ferguson he didn't make friends with his players! And so on! We both advocated six weeks ago Zola was not up to it! We could see week after week Zola was drowning, he should have asked for help then! It’s too late now! If Zola had been more honest about his situation he could still have had a future. He wasn't honest about Abdi’s injury either, leading fans to believe Abdi would be back in a few weeks, knowing Abdi’s diagnosis now, we will be lucky to see him this season , he may come back but it is touch and go! Zola will go the way of Vialli, too much pride! Watford’s UK management and Pozzo son should have intervened earlier, they may be football savvy in Italy, and however, they still have a lot to learn about English football and English football culture! Sure there is some new quality in the team, but nothing like last season’s; , Vydra, Challobah Abdi and Zola’s No 2 have not been replaced! Could be the success of last season was in spite of Zola not because of him! Quite a few Duds have been sent from the Pozzo Bank of Players into the UK squad, which in my view is disrespectful to Watford and the fans! Zola in my mind was finished after Wembley last year. I saw the signs, I have sufficient international experience in managing companies and individuals in four countries to recognize the symptoms.[/p][/quote]Completely valid and reasoned points there. How can so many deluded pumpkins who purport to being Watford fans, continually spout so much unreasoned rubbish. "Zola will come good" some of them said, "Stop being so negative" they said, "stop doom-mongering" they whinged at us two, yet all we have ever done is seek the truth. We want nothing more than Watford to be successful yet people still ignored the signs. Our performance at wemley was shockig, pretty much every performance bar a couple have been hopeless yet some donkeys on this site still refuse to believe that GZ has helped to ruin the club. If the Pozzo's pull out, and with our complete lack f home-grown talent, we will sink. We are currently heading towards League 1 (anyone care ot argue??) and there are no signs of any change at the club. Makes me sick the way the Pozzo's havent acted upon our managerial disaster, and how so many 'fans' think GZ is the man for the job. GZ has the management pedigree of a mongrel. He is hopeless and needs to go. HC Hornet Cornet

11:58pm Sat 14 Dec 13

1234566789 says...

Hornet Cornet wrote:
femalehornet122 wrote:
I tthink t would be sad to loose Zola. We are all in this together an together we must find the way forward. We over performed last year and this year we are suspect but it does not good to loose a good manager. We need to relook at how we are working rotgether and look at changes. we need to find a way through a 10 man defence because that is what they did today, just blocked us out. We also need ot concentrate on set pieces to do to others what is being done to us. I would hope we can all work together to resolve this without looking for Zola to go anywhere. It would be sad day
First, try using a spell / grammar checker.
Secondly, we did not overachieve. This is a pointless phrase - last season we generally played well and would have gone up had it not been for GZ's tactical ineptitude.
Thirdly, he isnt a good manager, he has a woeful management record.
Fourthly, what's this rubbish about a 10-man defence? If all teams defend the way you say, we'll end up with zero points this season. Nonsence.
Finally, the way to work together would be to sack GZ and bring Steve Clarke in.

HC
I forgot it was "Zola's tactical ineptitude" that prevented us getting promoted last season. I thought he twice got us to within one match of going up. I also thought that it was a stupid challenge from Deeney, an injury to both Almunia and Bond and two mistakes from Bonham that stopped it against Leeds and then a stupid challenge from Cassetti that finally did it against Palace. I guess my memory is pretty poor.

I also only look at one game at a time so don't realise that, although Zola "got it wrong" by making changes and losing to Bristol City and Charlton last season, we went on storming runs after those games (9 points in 3 games over 2 weeks after Charlton and 13 points in 5 games over 3 weeks after Bristol City). I mean, it is difficult to conclude that we won those games, at least in part, due to the players being rested.

In fact, my memory is so bad that I can't even remember that if Bond had set up his wall correctly/ the wall had done its job (whichever was at fault), Anya's perfectly good goal hadn't been chalked off and Fessi hadn't wasted a sitter the we wouldn't have lost today but won. Had that happened, would we have picked up 5 points from the last three including two very tough away games and everything be ok again?
[quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]femalehornet122[/bold] wrote: I tthink t would be sad to loose Zola. We are all in this together an together we must find the way forward. We over performed last year and this year we are suspect but it does not good to loose a good manager. We need to relook at how we are working rotgether and look at changes. we need to find a way through a 10 man defence because that is what they did today, just blocked us out. We also need ot concentrate on set pieces to do to others what is being done to us. I would hope we can all work together to resolve this without looking for Zola to go anywhere. It would be sad day[/p][/quote]First, try using a spell / grammar checker. Secondly, we did not overachieve. This is a pointless phrase - last season we generally played well and would have gone up had it not been for GZ's tactical ineptitude. Thirdly, he isnt a good manager, he has a woeful management record. Fourthly, what's this rubbish about a 10-man defence? If all teams defend the way you say, we'll end up with zero points this season. Nonsence. Finally, the way to work together would be to sack GZ and bring Steve Clarke in. HC[/p][/quote]I forgot it was "Zola's tactical ineptitude" that prevented us getting promoted last season. I thought he twice got us to within one match of going up. I also thought that it was a stupid challenge from Deeney, an injury to both Almunia and Bond and two mistakes from Bonham that stopped it against Leeds and then a stupid challenge from Cassetti that finally did it against Palace. I guess my memory is pretty poor. I also only look at one game at a time so don't realise that, although Zola "got it wrong" by making changes and losing to Bristol City and Charlton last season, we went on storming runs after those games (9 points in 3 games over 2 weeks after Charlton and 13 points in 5 games over 3 weeks after Bristol City). I mean, it is difficult to conclude that we won those games, at least in part, due to the players being rested. In fact, my memory is so bad that I can't even remember that if Bond had set up his wall correctly/ the wall had done its job (whichever was at fault), Anya's perfectly good goal hadn't been chalked off and Fessi hadn't wasted a sitter the we wouldn't have lost today but won. Had that happened, would we have picked up 5 points from the last three including two very tough away games and everything be ok again? 1234566789

12:12am Sun 15 Dec 13

Dino1982 says...

Ah,….. chill out and Come on you orns!!!!!!
Ah,….. chill out and Come on you orns!!!!!! Dino1982

12:19am Sun 15 Dec 13

stiffler99 says...

Hornet Cornet wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
Hornet Cornet wrote: I'm building p to an almighty rant. How the f**k I have managed to keep quiet over the past 4-5 hours is beyond me.
Remember the crap I took from all those happy clappers? Today, they quote my ideas about Zola, when all they could do previously was insults. What can you do? There is a certain group of people that are beyond logic, I didn't realize Watford have so many happy clappers. And 'we love the Pozzos - they can do no wrong' clappers. I told them many times; Pozzos are not Gods, they can screw up! You saw the abuse! I said nice men don’t make leaders, take Ferguson he didn't make friends with his players! And so on! We both advocated six weeks ago Zola was not up to it! We could see week after week Zola was drowning, he should have asked for help then! It’s too late now! If Zola had been more honest about his situation he could still have had a future. He wasn't honest about Abdi’s injury either, leading fans to believe Abdi would be back in a few weeks, knowing Abdi’s diagnosis now, we will be lucky to see him this season , he may come back but it is touch and go! Zola will go the way of Vialli, too much pride! Watford’s UK management and Pozzo son should have intervened earlier, they may be football savvy in Italy, and however, they still have a lot to learn about English football and English football culture! Sure there is some new quality in the team, but nothing like last season’s; , Vydra, Challobah Abdi and Zola’s No 2 have not been replaced! Could be the success of last season was in spite of Zola not because of him! Quite a few Duds have been sent from the Pozzo Bank of Players into the UK squad, which in my view is disrespectful to Watford and the fans! Zola in my mind was finished after Wembley last year. I saw the signs, I have sufficient international experience in managing companies and individuals in four countries to recognize the symptoms.
Completely valid and reasoned points there. How can so many deluded pumpkins who purport to being Watford fans, continually spout so much unreasoned rubbish. "Zola will come good" some of them said, "Stop being so negative" they said, "stop doom-mongering" they whinged at us two, yet all we have ever done is seek the truth. We want nothing more than Watford to be successful yet people still ignored the signs.

Our performance at wemley was shockig, pretty much every performance bar a couple have been hopeless yet some donkeys on this site still refuse to believe that GZ has helped to ruin the club. If the Pozzo's pull out, and with our complete lack f home-grown talent, we will sink.

We are currently heading towards League 1 (anyone care ot argue??) and there are no signs of any change at the club.

Makes me sick the way the Pozzo's havent acted upon our managerial disaster, and how so many 'fans' think GZ is the man for the job.

GZ has the management pedigree of a mongrel.

He is hopeless and needs to go.

HC
I bet you are the guys who boo the team at the end of the game as well.
[quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: I'm building p to an almighty rant. How the f**k I have managed to keep quiet over the past 4-5 hours is beyond me.[/p][/quote]Remember the crap I took from all those happy clappers? Today, they quote my ideas about Zola, when all they could do previously was insults. What can you do? There is a certain group of people that are beyond logic, I didn't realize Watford have so many happy clappers. And 'we love the Pozzos - they can do no wrong' clappers. I told them many times; Pozzos are not Gods, they can screw up! You saw the abuse! I said nice men don’t make leaders, take Ferguson he didn't make friends with his players! And so on! We both advocated six weeks ago Zola was not up to it! We could see week after week Zola was drowning, he should have asked for help then! It’s too late now! If Zola had been more honest about his situation he could still have had a future. He wasn't honest about Abdi’s injury either, leading fans to believe Abdi would be back in a few weeks, knowing Abdi’s diagnosis now, we will be lucky to see him this season , he may come back but it is touch and go! Zola will go the way of Vialli, too much pride! Watford’s UK management and Pozzo son should have intervened earlier, they may be football savvy in Italy, and however, they still have a lot to learn about English football and English football culture! Sure there is some new quality in the team, but nothing like last season’s; , Vydra, Challobah Abdi and Zola’s No 2 have not been replaced! Could be the success of last season was in spite of Zola not because of him! Quite a few Duds have been sent from the Pozzo Bank of Players into the UK squad, which in my view is disrespectful to Watford and the fans! Zola in my mind was finished after Wembley last year. I saw the signs, I have sufficient international experience in managing companies and individuals in four countries to recognize the symptoms.[/p][/quote]Completely valid and reasoned points there. How can so many deluded pumpkins who purport to being Watford fans, continually spout so much unreasoned rubbish. "Zola will come good" some of them said, "Stop being so negative" they said, "stop doom-mongering" they whinged at us two, yet all we have ever done is seek the truth. We want nothing more than Watford to be successful yet people still ignored the signs. Our performance at wemley was shockig, pretty much every performance bar a couple have been hopeless yet some donkeys on this site still refuse to believe that GZ has helped to ruin the club. If the Pozzo's pull out, and with our complete lack f home-grown talent, we will sink. We are currently heading towards League 1 (anyone care ot argue??) and there are no signs of any change at the club. Makes me sick the way the Pozzo's havent acted upon our managerial disaster, and how so many 'fans' think GZ is the man for the job. GZ has the management pedigree of a mongrel. He is hopeless and needs to go. HC[/p][/quote]I bet you are the guys who boo the team at the end of the game as well. stiffler99

12:23am Sun 15 Dec 13

Hornet Cornet says...

Except that we lost. You sound like GZ, full of excuses as to why we didn't win today. That winning mentality will get you nowhere in life. We haven't won in months. Face facts and stop dreaming of what might have been
Except that we lost. You sound like GZ, full of excuses as to why we didn't win today. That winning mentality will get you nowhere in life. We haven't won in months. Face facts and stop dreaming of what might have been Hornet Cornet

12:31am Sun 15 Dec 13

Hornet Cornet says...

stiffler99 wrote:
Hornet Cornet wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
Hornet Cornet wrote: I'm building p to an almighty rant. How the f**k I have managed to keep quiet over the past 4-5 hours is beyond me.
Remember the crap I took from all those happy clappers? Today, they quote my ideas about Zola, when all they could do previously was insults. What can you do? There is a certain group of people that are beyond logic, I didn't realize Watford have so many happy clappers. And 'we love the Pozzos - they can do no wrong' clappers. I told them many times; Pozzos are not Gods, they can screw up! You saw the abuse! I said nice men don’t make leaders, take Ferguson he didn't make friends with his players! And so on! We both advocated six weeks ago Zola was not up to it! We could see week after week Zola was drowning, he should have asked for help then! It’s too late now! If Zola had been more honest about his situation he could still have had a future. He wasn't honest about Abdi’s injury either, leading fans to believe Abdi would be back in a few weeks, knowing Abdi’s diagnosis now, we will be lucky to see him this season , he may come back but it is touch and go! Zola will go the way of Vialli, too much pride! Watford’s UK management and Pozzo son should have intervened earlier, they may be football savvy in Italy, and however, they still have a lot to learn about English football and English football culture! Sure there is some new quality in the team, but nothing like last season’s; , Vydra, Challobah Abdi and Zola’s No 2 have not been replaced! Could be the success of last season was in spite of Zola not because of him! Quite a few Duds have been sent from the Pozzo Bank of Players into the UK squad, which in my view is disrespectful to Watford and the fans! Zola in my mind was finished after Wembley last year. I saw the signs, I have sufficient international experience in managing companies and individuals in four countries to recognize the symptoms.
Completely valid and reasoned points there. How can so many deluded pumpkins who purport to being Watford fans, continually spout so much unreasoned rubbish. "Zola will come good" some of them said, "Stop being so negative" they said, "stop doom-mongering" they whinged at us two, yet all we have ever done is seek the truth. We want nothing more than Watford to be successful yet people still ignored the signs.

Our performance at wemley was shockig, pretty much every performance bar a couple have been hopeless yet some donkeys on this site still refuse to believe that GZ has helped to ruin the club. If the Pozzo's pull out, and with our complete lack f home-grown talent, we will sink.

We are currently heading towards League 1 (anyone care ot argue??) and there are no signs of any change at the club.

Makes me sick the way the Pozzo's havent acted upon our managerial disaster, and how so many 'fans' think GZ is the man for the job.

GZ has the management pedigree of a mongrel.

He is hopeless and needs to go.

HC
I bet you are the guys who boo the team at the end of the game as well.
I bet you applaud them off after getting paid a lot of money yet treating crowds to 90 mins of dross. I bet you cheer Zola even though he constantly fails as amanager. I bet you dont like conflict at work.
Yes why don't we all embrace mediocrity.
Saddo
[quote][p][bold]stiffler99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: I'm building p to an almighty rant. How the f**k I have managed to keep quiet over the past 4-5 hours is beyond me.[/p][/quote]Remember the crap I took from all those happy clappers? Today, they quote my ideas about Zola, when all they could do previously was insults. What can you do? There is a certain group of people that are beyond logic, I didn't realize Watford have so many happy clappers. And 'we love the Pozzos - they can do no wrong' clappers. I told them many times; Pozzos are not Gods, they can screw up! You saw the abuse! I said nice men don’t make leaders, take Ferguson he didn't make friends with his players! And so on! We both advocated six weeks ago Zola was not up to it! We could see week after week Zola was drowning, he should have asked for help then! It’s too late now! If Zola had been more honest about his situation he could still have had a future. He wasn't honest about Abdi’s injury either, leading fans to believe Abdi would be back in a few weeks, knowing Abdi’s diagnosis now, we will be lucky to see him this season , he may come back but it is touch and go! Zola will go the way of Vialli, too much pride! Watford’s UK management and Pozzo son should have intervened earlier, they may be football savvy in Italy, and however, they still have a lot to learn about English football and English football culture! Sure there is some new quality in the team, but nothing like last season’s; , Vydra, Challobah Abdi and Zola’s No 2 have not been replaced! Could be the success of last season was in spite of Zola not because of him! Quite a few Duds have been sent from the Pozzo Bank of Players into the UK squad, which in my view is disrespectful to Watford and the fans! Zola in my mind was finished after Wembley last year. I saw the signs, I have sufficient international experience in managing companies and individuals in four countries to recognize the symptoms.[/p][/quote]Completely valid and reasoned points there. How can so many deluded pumpkins who purport to being Watford fans, continually spout so much unreasoned rubbish. "Zola will come good" some of them said, "Stop being so negative" they said, "stop doom-mongering" they whinged at us two, yet all we have ever done is seek the truth. We want nothing more than Watford to be successful yet people still ignored the signs. Our performance at wemley was shockig, pretty much every performance bar a couple have been hopeless yet some donkeys on this site still refuse to believe that GZ has helped to ruin the club. If the Pozzo's pull out, and with our complete lack f home-grown talent, we will sink. We are currently heading towards League 1 (anyone care ot argue??) and there are no signs of any change at the club. Makes me sick the way the Pozzo's havent acted upon our managerial disaster, and how so many 'fans' think GZ is the man for the job. GZ has the management pedigree of a mongrel. He is hopeless and needs to go. HC[/p][/quote]I bet you are the guys who boo the team at the end of the game as well.[/p][/quote]I bet you applaud them off after getting paid a lot of money yet treating crowds to 90 mins of dross. I bet you cheer Zola even though he constantly fails as amanager. I bet you dont like conflict at work. Yes why don't we all embrace mediocrity. Saddo Hornet Cornet

1:09am Sun 15 Dec 13

KeithMercer says...

1234566789 wrote:
Hornet Cornet wrote:
femalehornet122 wrote:
I tthink t would be sad to loose Zola. We are all in this together an together we must find the way forward. We over performed last year and this year we are suspect but it does not good to loose a good manager. We need to relook at how we are working rotgether and look at changes. we need to find a way through a 10 man defence because that is what they did today, just blocked us out. We also need ot concentrate on set pieces to do to others what is being done to us. I would hope we can all work together to resolve this without looking for Zola to go anywhere. It would be sad day
First, try using a spell / grammar checker.
Secondly, we did not overachieve. This is a pointless phrase - last season we generally played well and would have gone up had it not been for GZ's tactical ineptitude.
Thirdly, he isnt a good manager, he has a woeful management record.
Fourthly, what's this rubbish about a 10-man defence? If all teams defend the way you say, we'll end up with zero points this season. Nonsence.
Finally, the way to work together would be to sack GZ and bring Steve Clarke in.

HC
I forgot it was "Zola's tactical ineptitude" that prevented us getting promoted last season. I thought he twice got us to within one match of going up. I also thought that it was a stupid challenge from Deeney, an injury to both Almunia and Bond and two mistakes from Bonham that stopped it against Leeds and then a stupid challenge from Cassetti that finally did it against Palace. I guess my memory is pretty poor.

I also only look at one game at a time so don't realise that, although Zola "got it wrong" by making changes and losing to Bristol City and Charlton last season, we went on storming runs after those games (9 points in 3 games over 2 weeks after Charlton and 13 points in 5 games over 3 weeks after Bristol City). I mean, it is difficult to conclude that we won those games, at least in part, due to the players being rested.

In fact, my memory is so bad that I can't even remember that if Bond had set up his wall correctly/ the wall had done its job (whichever was at fault), Anya's perfectly good goal hadn't been chalked off and Fessi hadn't wasted a sitter the we wouldn't have lost today but won. Had that happened, would we have picked up 5 points from the last three including two very tough away games and everything be ok again?
Great Post and Comet lay off the sauce ! you are fast becoming the most embarrassing supporter in town . To actually call you a supporter is a bit of a joke.
[quote][p][bold]1234566789[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]femalehornet122[/bold] wrote: I tthink t would be sad to loose Zola. We are all in this together an together we must find the way forward. We over performed last year and this year we are suspect but it does not good to loose a good manager. We need to relook at how we are working rotgether and look at changes. we need to find a way through a 10 man defence because that is what they did today, just blocked us out. We also need ot concentrate on set pieces to do to others what is being done to us. I would hope we can all work together to resolve this without looking for Zola to go anywhere. It would be sad day[/p][/quote]First, try using a spell / grammar checker. Secondly, we did not overachieve. This is a pointless phrase - last season we generally played well and would have gone up had it not been for GZ's tactical ineptitude. Thirdly, he isnt a good manager, he has a woeful management record. Fourthly, what's this rubbish about a 10-man defence? If all teams defend the way you say, we'll end up with zero points this season. Nonsence. Finally, the way to work together would be to sack GZ and bring Steve Clarke in. HC[/p][/quote]I forgot it was "Zola's tactical ineptitude" that prevented us getting promoted last season. I thought he twice got us to within one match of going up. I also thought that it was a stupid challenge from Deeney, an injury to both Almunia and Bond and two mistakes from Bonham that stopped it against Leeds and then a stupid challenge from Cassetti that finally did it against Palace. I guess my memory is pretty poor. I also only look at one game at a time so don't realise that, although Zola "got it wrong" by making changes and losing to Bristol City and Charlton last season, we went on storming runs after those games (9 points in 3 games over 2 weeks after Charlton and 13 points in 5 games over 3 weeks after Bristol City). I mean, it is difficult to conclude that we won those games, at least in part, due to the players being rested. In fact, my memory is so bad that I can't even remember that if Bond had set up his wall correctly/ the wall had done its job (whichever was at fault), Anya's perfectly good goal hadn't been chalked off and Fessi hadn't wasted a sitter the we wouldn't have lost today but won. Had that happened, would we have picked up 5 points from the last three including two very tough away games and everything be ok again?[/p][/quote]Great Post and Comet lay off the sauce ! you are fast becoming the most embarrassing supporter in town . To actually call you a supporter is a bit of a joke. KeithMercer

1:26am Sun 15 Dec 13

Bush Hornet says...

Managers come and go. Players come and go. But this site will always have its unhinged keyboard warriors. Hornet cornet, rogeruk and demerit, you are sad, lonely folk. I'd love to lock you in room 101 together and throw away the key.

On a happier note, great to see the legend Graham Taylor back at the Vic.
Managers come and go. Players come and go. But this site will always have its unhinged keyboard warriors. Hornet cornet, rogeruk and demerit, you are sad, lonely folk. I'd love to lock you in room 101 together and throw away the key. On a happier note, great to see the legend Graham Taylor back at the Vic. Bush Hornet

2:07am Sun 15 Dec 13

surreyhorn says...

rogeruk wrote:
Hornet Cornet wrote:
I'm building p to an almighty rant. How the f**k I have managed to keep quiet over the past 4-5 hours is beyond me.
Remember the crap I took from all those happy clappers? Today, they quote my ideas about Zola, when all they could do previously was insults. What can you do?

There is a certain group of people that are beyond logic, I didn't realize Watford have so many happy clappers. And 'we love the Pozzos - they can do no wrong' clappers. I told them many times; Pozzos are not Gods, they can screw up! You saw the abuse! I said nice men don’t make leaders, take Ferguson he didn't make friends with his players! And so on!

We both advocated six weeks ago Zola was not up to it! We could see week after week Zola was drowning, he should have asked for help then! It’s too late now! If Zola had been more honest about his situation he could still have had a future. He wasn't honest about Abdi’s injury either, leading fans to believe Abdi would be back in a few weeks, knowing Abdi’s diagnosis now, we will be lucky to see him this season , he may come back but it is touch and go!

Zola will go the way of Vialli, too much pride! Watford’s UK management and Pozzo son should have intervened earlier, they may be football savvy in Italy, and however, they still have a lot to learn about English football and English football culture! Sure there is some new quality in the team, but nothing like last season’s; , Vydra, Challobah Abdi and Zola’s No 2 have not been replaced! Could be the success of last season was in spite of Zola not because of him! Quite a few Duds have been sent from the Pozzo Bank of Players into the UK squad, which in my view is disrespectful to Watford and the fans!

Zola in my mind was finished after Wembley last year. I saw the signs, I have sufficient international experience in managing companies and individuals in four countries to recognize the symptoms.
It's just not happening and Zola needs to sort it out. I have a lot more faith in the Pozzos than a bore like you jumping on the bandwagon even if you are a global captain of industry.
[quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: I'm building p to an almighty rant. How the f**k I have managed to keep quiet over the past 4-5 hours is beyond me.[/p][/quote]Remember the crap I took from all those happy clappers? Today, they quote my ideas about Zola, when all they could do previously was insults. What can you do? There is a certain group of people that are beyond logic, I didn't realize Watford have so many happy clappers. And 'we love the Pozzos - they can do no wrong' clappers. I told them many times; Pozzos are not Gods, they can screw up! You saw the abuse! I said nice men don’t make leaders, take Ferguson he didn't make friends with his players! And so on! We both advocated six weeks ago Zola was not up to it! We could see week after week Zola was drowning, he should have asked for help then! It’s too late now! If Zola had been more honest about his situation he could still have had a future. He wasn't honest about Abdi’s injury either, leading fans to believe Abdi would be back in a few weeks, knowing Abdi’s diagnosis now, we will be lucky to see him this season , he may come back but it is touch and go! Zola will go the way of Vialli, too much pride! Watford’s UK management and Pozzo son should have intervened earlier, they may be football savvy in Italy, and however, they still have a lot to learn about English football and English football culture! Sure there is some new quality in the team, but nothing like last season’s; , Vydra, Challobah Abdi and Zola’s No 2 have not been replaced! Could be the success of last season was in spite of Zola not because of him! Quite a few Duds have been sent from the Pozzo Bank of Players into the UK squad, which in my view is disrespectful to Watford and the fans! Zola in my mind was finished after Wembley last year. I saw the signs, I have sufficient international experience in managing companies and individuals in four countries to recognize the symptoms.[/p][/quote]It's just not happening and Zola needs to sort it out. I have a lot more faith in the Pozzos than a bore like you jumping on the bandwagon even if you are a global captain of industry. surreyhorn

4:19am Sun 15 Dec 13

and then what says...

Fantastic that Mr Big Boss reckons that his successful time managing companies across the globe can help him identify shortfalls in the capabilities of football managers. I am surprised he has time away from his busy schedule to post the negative horse droppings he does.
Fantastic that Mr Big Boss reckons that his successful time managing companies across the globe can help him identify shortfalls in the capabilities of football managers. I am surprised he has time away from his busy schedule to post the negative horse droppings he does. and then what

5:26am Sun 15 Dec 13

Henry VIII says...

Last season three British managers got promotion from this league, Malky, Steve Bruce and Ian Holloway. Maybe, just maybe for some strange reason, British managers are more adept at working this very tough league. I do not have an answer, and as stated in previous posts I will not berate GFZ because I believe he is a great guy, but if now is a time for change, would the Pozzo's be brave enough to look at what managers from GB have to offer? Somehow I think not, that is not a criticism, just an honest observation. Perhaps GFZ has taken us as far as he can, but possibly the bigger and more ominous question, is who next? How far would that get us? Tough times ahead, far removed from the 6 goal drubbing of Bournemouth. The problem I have is that we probably do need a change, but that change would be an international manager, and maybe we could find ourselves in the same position in a years time. All hypothetical, but as others have said, this is not Italy, things are different here. Hopefully the Pozzo's thought that one through, they probably did but I do not know that. For some reason I just cannot see them replacing any future manager as non-Italian and that could be their downfall, not so much pride, just lack of full understanding. I hope I am wrong and this all starts improving but I just cannot see it, which is sickening as I love this club so much. People trying to do right, but getting it wrong. There have been a few decent managers from these isles in the past, please think about that. We don't bite!
Last season three British managers got promotion from this league, Malky, Steve Bruce and Ian Holloway. Maybe, just maybe for some strange reason, British managers are more adept at working this very tough league. I do not have an answer, and as stated in previous posts I will not berate GFZ because I believe he is a great guy, but if now is a time for change, would the Pozzo's be brave enough to look at what managers from GB have to offer? Somehow I think not, that is not a criticism, just an honest observation. Perhaps GFZ has taken us as far as he can, but possibly the bigger and more ominous question, is who next? How far would that get us? Tough times ahead, far removed from the 6 goal drubbing of Bournemouth. The problem I have is that we probably do need a change, but that change would be an international manager, and maybe we could find ourselves in the same position in a years time. All hypothetical, but as others have said, this is not Italy, things are different here. Hopefully the Pozzo's thought that one through, they probably did but I do not know that. For some reason I just cannot see them replacing any future manager as non-Italian and that could be their downfall, not so much pride, just lack of full understanding. I hope I am wrong and this all starts improving but I just cannot see it, which is sickening as I love this club so much. People trying to do right, but getting it wrong. There have been a few decent managers from these isles in the past, please think about that. We don't bite! Henry VIII

5:58am Sun 15 Dec 13

Boosey says...

I have noticed with a lot of keepers, they let the wall cover one side of the goal and they protect the other side, surely, as was evident yesterday, if Bond was standing central in the goal, he would have saved that shot but overall I still rate the guy.
Deeney! How and why has he got the Captaincy? Certainly wasn't a captain's performance yesterday, no rallying of the troops no geeing them up and as for players wearing gloves, you just know there will be no fight from them.
Do we blame the manager or players or both? Either way, there needs to be a change in the system to stop the rot.
The crowd showed incredible patience yesterday which was one good thing to come out of the game, well done to all that attended.
I have noticed with a lot of keepers, they let the wall cover one side of the goal and they protect the other side, surely, as was evident yesterday, if Bond was standing central in the goal, he would have saved that shot but overall I still rate the guy. Deeney! How and why has he got the Captaincy? Certainly wasn't a captain's performance yesterday, no rallying of the troops no geeing them up and as for players wearing gloves, you just know there will be no fight from them. Do we blame the manager or players or both? Either way, there needs to be a change in the system to stop the rot. The crowd showed incredible patience yesterday which was one good thing to come out of the game, well done to all that attended. Boosey

7:26am Sun 15 Dec 13

SAHornet says...

Henry VIII wrote:
Last season three British managers got promotion from this league, Malky, Steve Bruce and Ian Holloway. Maybe, just maybe for some strange reason, British managers are more adept at working this very tough league. I do not have an answer, and as stated in previous posts I will not berate GFZ because I believe he is a great guy, but if now is a time for change, would the Pozzo's be brave enough to look at what managers from GB have to offer? Somehow I think not, that is not a criticism, just an honest observation. Perhaps GFZ has taken us as far as he can, but possibly the bigger and more ominous question, is who next? How far would that get us? Tough times ahead, far removed from the 6 goal drubbing of Bournemouth. The problem I have is that we probably do need a change, but that change would be an international manager, and maybe we could find ourselves in the same position in a years time. All hypothetical, but as others have said, this is not Italy, things are different here. Hopefully the Pozzo's thought that one through, they probably did but I do not know that. For some reason I just cannot see them replacing any future manager as non-Italian and that could be their downfall, not so much pride, just lack of full understanding. I hope I am wrong and this all starts improving but I just cannot see it, which is sickening as I love this club so much. People trying to do right, but getting it wrong. There have been a few decent managers from these isles in the past, please think about that. We don't bite!
I enjoyed your post. I'm not in the GZ out camp by any means but you do ask..." if now is a time for change, would the Pozzo's be brave enough to look at what managers from GB have to offer?". How about Roberto Di Matteo - he fulfills both criteria, he's Italian but has managed and lives in England for years. Is he available ? I heard that he can't take a position as Chelski are paying a huge monthly salary until he takes new employment but I'm not sure if that's true or not.
[quote][p][bold]Henry VIII[/bold] wrote: Last season three British managers got promotion from this league, Malky, Steve Bruce and Ian Holloway. Maybe, just maybe for some strange reason, British managers are more adept at working this very tough league. I do not have an answer, and as stated in previous posts I will not berate GFZ because I believe he is a great guy, but if now is a time for change, would the Pozzo's be brave enough to look at what managers from GB have to offer? Somehow I think not, that is not a criticism, just an honest observation. Perhaps GFZ has taken us as far as he can, but possibly the bigger and more ominous question, is who next? How far would that get us? Tough times ahead, far removed from the 6 goal drubbing of Bournemouth. The problem I have is that we probably do need a change, but that change would be an international manager, and maybe we could find ourselves in the same position in a years time. All hypothetical, but as others have said, this is not Italy, things are different here. Hopefully the Pozzo's thought that one through, they probably did but I do not know that. For some reason I just cannot see them replacing any future manager as non-Italian and that could be their downfall, not so much pride, just lack of full understanding. I hope I am wrong and this all starts improving but I just cannot see it, which is sickening as I love this club so much. People trying to do right, but getting it wrong. There have been a few decent managers from these isles in the past, please think about that. We don't bite![/p][/quote]I enjoyed your post. I'm not in the GZ out camp by any means but you do ask..." if now is a time for change, would the Pozzo's be brave enough to look at what managers from GB have to offer?". How about Roberto Di Matteo - he fulfills both criteria, he's Italian but has managed and lives in England for years. Is he available ? I heard that he can't take a position as Chelski are paying a huge monthly salary until he takes new employment but I'm not sure if that's true or not. SAHornet

7:29am Sun 15 Dec 13

mellow yellow says...

rogeruk wrote:
Hornet Cornet wrote:
I'm building p to an almighty rant. How the f**k I have managed to keep quiet over the past 4-5 hours is beyond me.
Remember the crap I took from all those happy clappers? Today, they quote my ideas about Zola, when all they could do previously was insults. What can you do?

There is a certain group of people that are beyond logic, I didn't realize Watford have so many happy clappers. And 'we love the Pozzos - they can do no wrong' clappers. I told them many times; Pozzos are not Gods, they can screw up! You saw the abuse! I said nice men don’t make leaders, take Ferguson he didn't make friends with his players! And so on!

We both advocated six weeks ago Zola was not up to it! We could see week after week Zola was drowning, he should have asked for help then! It’s too late now! If Zola had been more honest about his situation he could still have had a future. He wasn't honest about Abdi’s injury either, leading fans to believe Abdi would be back in a few weeks, knowing Abdi’s diagnosis now, we will be lucky to see him this season , he may come back but it is touch and go!

Zola will go the way of Vialli, too much pride! Watford’s UK management and Pozzo son should have intervened earlier, they may be football savvy in Italy, and however, they still have a lot to learn about English football and English football culture! Sure there is some new quality in the team, but nothing like last season’s; , Vydra, Challobah Abdi and Zola’s No 2 have not been replaced! Could be the success of last season was in spite of Zola not because of him! Quite a few Duds have been sent from the Pozzo Bank of Players into the UK squad, which in my view is disrespectful to Watford and the fans!

Zola in my mind was finished after Wembley last year. I saw the signs, I have sufficient international experience in managing companies and individuals in four countries to recognize the symptoms.
Ok, Roger. That is the most balanced assessment you have provided, without your previous need for jingoistic war references and the like. It is hard to argue with much of what you've said, though your last sentence is overly smug and pompous.

There is a lot of talk about unrest behind the scenes, and of general dissatisfaction in certain sectors... But I personally have no knowledge of this so find conjecture pointless. However, maybe it is time for a change. If two people at the fans forum had their questions about Zola's number 2 sidestepped, for me that is just not acceptable. It is valid, as is the question of who calls the shots regarding player acquisition and the like.

Zola in or Zola out? It's not in our control, really, is it?!
[quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: I'm building p to an almighty rant. How the f**k I have managed to keep quiet over the past 4-5 hours is beyond me.[/p][/quote]Remember the crap I took from all those happy clappers? Today, they quote my ideas about Zola, when all they could do previously was insults. What can you do? There is a certain group of people that are beyond logic, I didn't realize Watford have so many happy clappers. And 'we love the Pozzos - they can do no wrong' clappers. I told them many times; Pozzos are not Gods, they can screw up! You saw the abuse! I said nice men don’t make leaders, take Ferguson he didn't make friends with his players! And so on! We both advocated six weeks ago Zola was not up to it! We could see week after week Zola was drowning, he should have asked for help then! It’s too late now! If Zola had been more honest about his situation he could still have had a future. He wasn't honest about Abdi’s injury either, leading fans to believe Abdi would be back in a few weeks, knowing Abdi’s diagnosis now, we will be lucky to see him this season , he may come back but it is touch and go! Zola will go the way of Vialli, too much pride! Watford’s UK management and Pozzo son should have intervened earlier, they may be football savvy in Italy, and however, they still have a lot to learn about English football and English football culture! Sure there is some new quality in the team, but nothing like last season’s; , Vydra, Challobah Abdi and Zola’s No 2 have not been replaced! Could be the success of last season was in spite of Zola not because of him! Quite a few Duds have been sent from the Pozzo Bank of Players into the UK squad, which in my view is disrespectful to Watford and the fans! Zola in my mind was finished after Wembley last year. I saw the signs, I have sufficient international experience in managing companies and individuals in four countries to recognize the symptoms.[/p][/quote]Ok, Roger. That is the most balanced assessment you have provided, without your previous need for jingoistic war references and the like. It is hard to argue with much of what you've said, though your last sentence is overly smug and pompous. There is a lot of talk about unrest behind the scenes, and of general dissatisfaction in certain sectors... But I personally have no knowledge of this so find conjecture pointless. However, maybe it is time for a change. If two people at the fans forum had their questions about Zola's number 2 sidestepped, for me that is just not acceptable. It is valid, as is the question of who calls the shots regarding player acquisition and the like. Zola in or Zola out? It's not in our control, really, is it?! mellow yellow

7:34am Sun 15 Dec 13

mellow yellow says...

Boosey wrote:
I have noticed with a lot of keepers, they let the wall cover one side of the goal and they protect the other side, surely, as was evident yesterday, if Bond was standing central in the goal, he would have saved that shot but overall I still rate the guy.
Deeney! How and why has he got the Captaincy? Certainly wasn't a captain's performance yesterday, no rallying of the troops no geeing them up and as for players wearing gloves, you just know there will be no fight from them.
Do we blame the manager or players or both? Either way, there needs to be a change in the system to stop the rot.
The crowd showed incredible patience yesterday which was one good thing to come out of the game, well done to all that attended.
John Barnes wore gloves, Boosey. ;)
[quote][p][bold]Boosey[/bold] wrote: I have noticed with a lot of keepers, they let the wall cover one side of the goal and they protect the other side, surely, as was evident yesterday, if Bond was standing central in the goal, he would have saved that shot but overall I still rate the guy. Deeney! How and why has he got the Captaincy? Certainly wasn't a captain's performance yesterday, no rallying of the troops no geeing them up and as for players wearing gloves, you just know there will be no fight from them. Do we blame the manager or players or both? Either way, there needs to be a change in the system to stop the rot. The crowd showed incredible patience yesterday which was one good thing to come out of the game, well done to all that attended.[/p][/quote]John Barnes wore gloves, Boosey. ;) mellow yellow

7:44am Sun 15 Dec 13

Hornet Cornet says...

Hello everybody! I am now calm and maintain that GZ really has to go.
Asides from my usual conjecture, and in the cold light of day, we clearly needmmanagerial change. GZ is out of ideas and, although I really like him as a person, he is not a good long term manager. He seems to have good initial impact and then not know what to do. It is a shame but everyone is beating us, Gz does not know what to do and we need a change.

Hc
Hello everybody! I am now calm and maintain that GZ really has to go. Asides from my usual conjecture, and in the cold light of day, we clearly needmmanagerial change. GZ is out of ideas and, although I really like him as a person, he is not a good long term manager. He seems to have good initial impact and then not know what to do. It is a shame but everyone is beating us, Gz does not know what to do and we need a change. Hc Hornet Cornet

7:55am Sun 15 Dec 13

GoldenManc says...

I'd happily have Steve Clarke - I think he's a top coach
I'd happily have Steve Clarke - I think he's a top coach GoldenManc

8:01am Sun 15 Dec 13

endean2 says...

just got up and saw the cricket score

I am an old and loyal Watford fan and love the club

and I have a soft spot for turkeys

clearly there is little left in life for me at this current time!
just got up and saw the cricket score I am an old and loyal Watford fan and love the club and I have a soft spot for turkeys clearly there is little left in life for me at this current time! endean2

8:04am Sun 15 Dec 13

Boosey says...

mellow yellow wrote:
Boosey wrote:
I have noticed with a lot of keepers, they let the wall cover one side of the goal and they protect the other side, surely, as was evident yesterday, if Bond was standing central in the goal, he would have saved that shot but overall I still rate the guy.
Deeney! How and why has he got the Captaincy? Certainly wasn't a captain's performance yesterday, no rallying of the troops no geeing them up and as for players wearing gloves, you just know there will be no fight from them.
Do we blame the manager or players or both? Either way, there needs to be a change in the system to stop the rot.
The crowd showed incredible patience yesterday which was one good thing to come out of the game, well done to all that attended.
John Barnes wore gloves, Boosey. ;)
Yeah I'll give you that one but It wasn't exactly cold yesterday and at least Barnesy put a shift in!
[quote][p][bold]mellow yellow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Boosey[/bold] wrote: I have noticed with a lot of keepers, they let the wall cover one side of the goal and they protect the other side, surely, as was evident yesterday, if Bond was standing central in the goal, he would have saved that shot but overall I still rate the guy. Deeney! How and why has he got the Captaincy? Certainly wasn't a captain's performance yesterday, no rallying of the troops no geeing them up and as for players wearing gloves, you just know there will be no fight from them. Do we blame the manager or players or both? Either way, there needs to be a change in the system to stop the rot. The crowd showed incredible patience yesterday which was one good thing to come out of the game, well done to all that attended.[/p][/quote]John Barnes wore gloves, Boosey. ;)[/p][/quote]Yeah I'll give you that one but It wasn't exactly cold yesterday and at least Barnesy put a shift in! Boosey

8:06am Sun 15 Dec 13

mellow yellow says...

Hornet Cornet wrote:
Hello everybody! I am now calm and maintain that GZ really has to go.
Asides from my usual conjecture, and in the cold light of day, we clearly needmmanagerial change. GZ is out of ideas and, although I really like him as a person, he is not a good long term manager. He seems to have good initial impact and then not know what to do. It is a shame but everyone is beating us, Gz does not know what to do and we need a change.

Hc
If, as some suggest, Clarke came in as number 2, or even co head coach, and our form was transformed, what would you then think, my poetic friend? Zola in, or Clarke on his own from next season. Just conjecture, old bean...
[quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: Hello everybody! I am now calm and maintain that GZ really has to go. Asides from my usual conjecture, and in the cold light of day, we clearly needmmanagerial change. GZ is out of ideas and, although I really like him as a person, he is not a good long term manager. He seems to have good initial impact and then not know what to do. It is a shame but everyone is beating us, Gz does not know what to do and we need a change. Hc[/p][/quote]If, as some suggest, Clarke came in as number 2, or even co head coach, and our form was transformed, what would you then think, my poetic friend? Zola in, or Clarke on his own from next season. Just conjecture, old bean... mellow yellow

8:14am Sun 15 Dec 13

mellow yellow says...

Boosey wrote:
mellow yellow wrote:
Boosey wrote:
I have noticed with a lot of keepers, they let the wall cover one side of the goal and they protect the other side, surely, as was evident yesterday, if Bond was standing central in the goal, he would have saved that shot but overall I still rate the guy.
Deeney! How and why has he got the Captaincy? Certainly wasn't a captain's performance yesterday, no rallying of the troops no geeing them up and as for players wearing gloves, you just know there will be no fight from them.
Do we blame the manager or players or both? Either way, there needs to be a change in the system to stop the rot.
The crowd showed incredible patience yesterday which was one good thing to come out of the game, well done to all that attended.
John Barnes wore gloves, Boosey. ;)
Yeah I'll give you that one but It wasn't exactly cold yesterday and at least Barnesy put a shift in!
Best glove wearer in the history of Watford FC, eh?!
[quote][p][bold]Boosey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mellow yellow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Boosey[/bold] wrote: I have noticed with a lot of keepers, they let the wall cover one side of the goal and they protect the other side, surely, as was evident yesterday, if Bond was standing central in the goal, he would have saved that shot but overall I still rate the guy. Deeney! How and why has he got the Captaincy? Certainly wasn't a captain's performance yesterday, no rallying of the troops no geeing them up and as for players wearing gloves, you just know there will be no fight from them. Do we blame the manager or players or both? Either way, there needs to be a change in the system to stop the rot. The crowd showed incredible patience yesterday which was one good thing to come out of the game, well done to all that attended.[/p][/quote]John Barnes wore gloves, Boosey. ;)[/p][/quote]Yeah I'll give you that one but It wasn't exactly cold yesterday and at least Barnesy put a shift in![/p][/quote]Best glove wearer in the history of Watford FC, eh?! mellow yellow

8:22am Sun 15 Dec 13

parkhouse hornet says...

These were good players last year and earlier this season. They don't turn into bad players 2 months later. Their confidence is shot and GZ despite his best efforts can't get into their heads. Seems to me need someone like 'the man in pink' that GT brought in many years ago. This is a mental rather than physical problem. Action of some sort is needed now while there is still a chance to save this season. Despite this shocking run, success is still achievable this season. In another month, if action is not taken now, that will certainly not be the case.
These were good players last year and earlier this season. They don't turn into bad players 2 months later. Their confidence is shot and GZ despite his best efforts can't get into their heads. Seems to me need someone like 'the man in pink' that GT brought in many years ago. This is a mental rather than physical problem. Action of some sort is needed now while there is still a chance to save this season. Despite this shocking run, success is still achievable this season. In another month, if action is not taken now, that will certainly not be the case. parkhouse hornet

8:26am Sun 15 Dec 13

3Lions4Ever says...

IMO Henry VIII gets it right when he says the Pozzos are blind to some of the requirements of escaping from the Championship. Whether they are also blind to the benefits of hiring a manager that might not always say "yes sir, yes sir, three bags full sir" depends on their next appointment. Like 50 million others I also like Zola but the fact is he has not performed and shows no evidence of spark, innovation or willingness to challenge management. I also agree with SAHornet in that there is no reason the next manager must be British. It must just be someone who is not afraid to say "sorry but I don' t see the defensive midfielder I need in the Udinese reserves and if I can't go outside your current asset base to secure the pace I need this isn't going to work". Watford is not a high potential investment that needs conservative, continental "pretty triangles" care and feeding - it's a second tier English football team that needs a blend of technical ability, steel and route one to be successful. The next manager needs to know this and the Pozzos need to allow this next manager to practice this philosophy. Whether the players are from Udinese, Granada or wherever.
IMO Henry VIII gets it right when he says the Pozzos are blind to some of the requirements of escaping from the Championship. Whether they are also blind to the benefits of hiring a manager that might not always say "yes sir, yes sir, three bags full sir" depends on their next appointment. Like 50 million others I also like Zola but the fact is he has not performed and shows no evidence of spark, innovation or willingness to challenge management. I also agree with SAHornet in that there is no reason the next manager must be British. It must just be someone who is not afraid to say "sorry but I don' t see the defensive midfielder I need in the Udinese reserves and if I can't go outside your current asset base to secure the pace I need this isn't going to work". Watford is not a high potential investment that needs conservative, continental "pretty triangles" care and feeding - it's a second tier English football team that needs a blend of technical ability, steel and route one to be successful. The next manager needs to know this and the Pozzos need to allow this next manager to practice this philosophy. Whether the players are from Udinese, Granada or wherever. 3Lions4Ever

8:31am Sun 15 Dec 13

Hornet Cornet says...

mellow yellow wrote:
Hornet Cornet wrote:
Hello everybody! I am now calm and maintain that GZ really has to go.
Asides from my usual conjecture, and in the cold light of day, we clearly needmmanagerial change. GZ is out of ideas and, although I really like him as a person, he is not a good long term manager. He seems to have good initial impact and then not know what to do. It is a shame but everyone is beating us, Gz does not know what to do and we need a change.

Hc
If, as some suggest, Clarke came in as number 2, or even co head coach, and our form was transformed, what would you then think, my poetic friend? Zola in, or Clarke on his own from next season. Just conjecture, old bean...
As long as we have a winning management team, I don't mind how the management team is structured me old fruit bat.
[quote][p][bold]mellow yellow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: Hello everybody! I am now calm and maintain that GZ really has to go. Asides from my usual conjecture, and in the cold light of day, we clearly needmmanagerial change. GZ is out of ideas and, although I really like him as a person, he is not a good long term manager. He seems to have good initial impact and then not know what to do. It is a shame but everyone is beating us, Gz does not know what to do and we need a change. Hc[/p][/quote]If, as some suggest, Clarke came in as number 2, or even co head coach, and our form was transformed, what would you then think, my poetic friend? Zola in, or Clarke on his own from next season. Just conjecture, old bean...[/p][/quote]As long as we have a winning management team, I don't mind how the management team is structured me old fruit bat. Hornet Cornet

8:44am Sun 15 Dec 13

endean2 says...

3Lions4Ever wrote:
IMO Henry VIII gets it right when he says the Pozzos are blind to some of the requirements of escaping from the Championship. Whether they are also blind to the benefits of hiring a manager that might not always say "yes sir, yes sir, three bags full sir" depends on their next appointment. Like 50 million others I also like Zola but the fact is he has not performed and shows no evidence of spark, innovation or willingness to challenge management. I also agree with SAHornet in that there is no reason the next manager must be British. It must just be someone who is not afraid to say "sorry but I don' t see the defensive midfielder I need in the Udinese reserves and if I can't go outside your current asset base to secure the pace I need this isn't going to work". Watford is not a high potential investment that needs conservative, continental "pretty triangles" care and feeding - it's a second tier English football team that needs a blend of technical ability, steel and route one to be successful. The next manager needs to know this and the Pozzos need to allow this next manager to practice this philosophy. Whether the players are from Udinese, Granada or wherever.
a very sensible comment there,you must have looked over my shoulder.
[quote][p][bold]3Lions4Ever[/bold] wrote: IMO Henry VIII gets it right when he says the Pozzos are blind to some of the requirements of escaping from the Championship. Whether they are also blind to the benefits of hiring a manager that might not always say "yes sir, yes sir, three bags full sir" depends on their next appointment. Like 50 million others I also like Zola but the fact is he has not performed and shows no evidence of spark, innovation or willingness to challenge management. I also agree with SAHornet in that there is no reason the next manager must be British. It must just be someone who is not afraid to say "sorry but I don' t see the defensive midfielder I need in the Udinese reserves and if I can't go outside your current asset base to secure the pace I need this isn't going to work". Watford is not a high potential investment that needs conservative, continental "pretty triangles" care and feeding - it's a second tier English football team that needs a blend of technical ability, steel and route one to be successful. The next manager needs to know this and the Pozzos need to allow this next manager to practice this philosophy. Whether the players are from Udinese, Granada or wherever.[/p][/quote]a very sensible comment there,you must have looked over my shoulder. endean2

9:50am Sun 15 Dec 13

Andrew1963 says...

The Pozzo's make their money trading players. So we will always have a churn of players. I think they will be relaxed about not getting promotion this year because the infrastructure of the club was so poor when they took over. Not just the stadium but the back office, etc. What they won't tolerate is the team being unsuucessful to the point where players are not getting attention from potential purchasers. That means young players need to be in a team playing a certain way, a team with a high profile coach, and players too young/inexperienced for a serie A team getting plenty of match time with Watford. Look at Anya, rejected by Wycombe, now a key player in the rejuvenation of Scotland. A first team choice for us and a likely sale in the summer. That is what Watford is there to do, bring players to the attention to the market. That's why Zola will get a bit more time this year, but may not make it to through the summer.
The Pozzo's make their money trading players. So we will always have a churn of players. I think they will be relaxed about not getting promotion this year because the infrastructure of the club was so poor when they took over. Not just the stadium but the back office, etc. What they won't tolerate is the team being unsuucessful to the point where players are not getting attention from potential purchasers. That means young players need to be in a team playing a certain way, a team with a high profile coach, and players too young/inexperienced for a serie A team getting plenty of match time with Watford. Look at Anya, rejected by Wycombe, now a key player in the rejuvenation of Scotland. A first team choice for us and a likely sale in the summer. That is what Watford is there to do, bring players to the attention to the market. That's why Zola will get a bit more time this year, but may not make it to through the summer. Andrew1963

9:51am Sun 15 Dec 13

corbindallas says...

Zola is a good man and he will know what he needs to do, the Pozzo's are not known to keep managers aboard who are not producing the results, in fact their history shows very short shrift for some mangers and to that end I expect one way or another we will know some sort of outcome before next weekend. The Pozzo's came with a Premiership plan and looking at the set up they will know if that plan is failing because of managment or the players or both, next month will really be interesting in the January transfer window as I will then see the metal of our future, not because we need wholesale changes but we do need to sort out 2 key positions at least.
Zola is a good man and he will know what he needs to do, the Pozzo's are not known to keep managers aboard who are not producing the results, in fact their history shows very short shrift for some mangers and to that end I expect one way or another we will know some sort of outcome before next weekend. The Pozzo's came with a Premiership plan and looking at the set up they will know if that plan is failing because of managment or the players or both, next month will really be interesting in the January transfer window as I will then see the metal of our future, not because we need wholesale changes but we do need to sort out 2 key positions at least. corbindallas

10:00am Sun 15 Dec 13

Summer breeze says...

Something I noticed yesterday: when Faraoni was injured and laying on the floor in agony, why didn't the captain go over to see what was happening to one of the team? Davide was down for ages, but Troy stood there talking to his opposite number at the other end of the pitch. Sometimes if there is a problem with an employee, you can promote him/her and give them an actual opportunity to step-up, but sometimes they are not capable. What would John Eustace have done?
Something I noticed yesterday: when Faraoni was injured and laying on the floor in agony, why didn't the captain go over to see what was happening to one of the team? Davide was down for ages, but Troy stood there talking to his opposite number at the other end of the pitch. Sometimes if there is a problem with an employee, you can promote him/her and give them an actual opportunity to step-up, but sometimes they are not capable. What would John Eustace have done? Summer breeze

10:06am Sun 15 Dec 13

Ronny oh Ronny Ronny says...

Hornet Cornet wrote:
stiffler99 wrote:
Hornet Cornet wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
Hornet Cornet wrote: I'm building p to an almighty rant. How the f**k I have managed to keep quiet over the past 4-5 hours is beyond me.
Remember the crap I took from all those happy clappers? Today, they quote my ideas about Zola, when all they could do previously was insults. What can you do? There is a certain group of people that are beyond logic, I didn't realize Watford have so many happy clappers. And 'we love the Pozzos - they can do no wrong' clappers. I told them many times; Pozzos are not Gods, they can screw up! You saw the abuse! I said nice men don’t make leaders, take Ferguson he didn't make friends with his players! And so on! We both advocated six weeks ago Zola was not up to it! We could see week after week Zola was drowning, he should have asked for help then! It’s too late now! If Zola had been more honest about his situation he could still have had a future. He wasn't honest about Abdi’s injury either, leading fans to believe Abdi would be back in a few weeks, knowing Abdi’s diagnosis now, we will be lucky to see him this season , he may come back but it is touch and go! Zola will go the way of Vialli, too much pride! Watford’s UK management and Pozzo son should have intervened earlier, they may be football savvy in Italy, and however, they still have a lot to learn about English football and English football culture! Sure there is some new quality in the team, but nothing like last season’s; , Vydra, Challobah Abdi and Zola’s No 2 have not been replaced! Could be the success of last season was in spite of Zola not because of him! Quite a few Duds have been sent from the Pozzo Bank of Players into the UK squad, which in my view is disrespectful to Watford and the fans! Zola in my mind was finished after Wembley last year. I saw the signs, I have sufficient international experience in managing companies and individuals in four countries to recognize the symptoms.
Completely valid and reasoned points there. How can so many deluded pumpkins who purport to being Watford fans, continually spout so much unreasoned rubbish. "Zola will come good" some of them said, "Stop being so negative" they said, "stop doom-mongering" they whinged at us two, yet all we have ever done is seek the truth. We want nothing more than Watford to be successful yet people still ignored the signs.

Our performance at wemley was shockig, pretty much every performance bar a couple have been hopeless yet some donkeys on this site still refuse to believe that GZ has helped to ruin the club. If the Pozzo's pull out, and with our complete lack f home-grown talent, we will sink.

We are currently heading towards League 1 (anyone care ot argue??) and there are no signs of any change at the club.

Makes me sick the way the Pozzo's havent acted upon our managerial disaster, and how so many 'fans' think GZ is the man for the job.

GZ has the management pedigree of a mongrel.

He is hopeless and needs to go.

HC
I bet you are the guys who boo the team at the end of the game as well.
I bet you applaud them off after getting paid a lot of money yet treating crowds to 90 mins of dross. I bet you cheer Zola even though he constantly fails as amanager. I bet you dont like conflict at work.
Yes why don't we all embrace mediocrity.
Saddo
Let's get a few things straight here. Yes you are partly right, Zola needs to go, but you are clearly going way OTT to try and get some sort of reaction.
How can you say the boys are treating the crowds to 90 minutes of dross when you say yourself you rarely go to games. We were by far the better team yesterday, Wednesday didn't pose a threat but for what ever reason and a massive lack of confidence it ain't happening. A new manager with New as can easily take thus team up but there is no need to slate Zola, who has done nothing but tried his hardest and treated us fans who actually go and watch the games to the best football EVER seen at the Vic.
GZ has ruined our club has he??? Hahaha that's the exact absurd statement that is the reason why no one listens to your "truth" or is bothered by what you say. Yes speak the truth but when you then over exaggerate by and turn it into a rant against the very team you support don't expect anything else that the pity and lack of respect you get.
Rant over.
Lets get behind the New boss who can hopefully turn this around!
[quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stiffler99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: I'm building p to an almighty rant. How the f**k I have managed to keep quiet over the past 4-5 hours is beyond me.[/p][/quote]Remember the crap I took from all those happy clappers? Today, they quote my ideas about Zola, when all they could do previously was insults. What can you do? There is a certain group of people that are beyond logic, I didn't realize Watford have so many happy clappers. And 'we love the Pozzos - they can do no wrong' clappers. I told them many times; Pozzos are not Gods, they can screw up! You saw the abuse! I said nice men don’t make leaders, take Ferguson he didn't make friends with his players! And so on! We both advocated six weeks ago Zola was not up to it! We could see week after week Zola was drowning, he should have asked for help then! It’s too late now! If Zola had been more honest about his situation he could still have had a future. He wasn't honest about Abdi’s injury either, leading fans to believe Abdi would be back in a few weeks, knowing Abdi’s diagnosis now, we will be lucky to see him this season , he may come back but it is touch and go! Zola will go the way of Vialli, too much pride! Watford’s UK management and Pozzo son should have intervened earlier, they may be football savvy in Italy, and however, they still have a lot to learn about English football and English football culture! Sure there is some new quality in the team, but nothing like last season’s; , Vydra, Challobah Abdi and Zola’s No 2 have not been replaced! Could be the success of last season was in spite of Zola not because of him! Quite a few Duds have been sent from the Pozzo Bank of Players into the UK squad, which in my view is disrespectful to Watford and the fans! Zola in my mind was finished after Wembley last year. I saw the signs, I have sufficient international experience in managing companies and individuals in four countries to recognize the symptoms.[/p][/quote]Completely valid and reasoned points there. How can so many deluded pumpkins who purport to being Watford fans, continually spout so much unreasoned rubbish. "Zola will come good" some of them said, "Stop being so negative" they said, "stop doom-mongering" they whinged at us two, yet all we have ever done is seek the truth. We want nothing more than Watford to be successful yet people still ignored the signs. Our performance at wemley was shockig, pretty much every performance bar a couple have been hopeless yet some donkeys on this site still refuse to believe that GZ has helped to ruin the club. If the Pozzo's pull out, and with our complete lack f home-grown talent, we will sink. We are currently heading towards League 1 (anyone care ot argue??) and there are no signs of any change at the club. Makes me sick the way the Pozzo's havent acted upon our managerial disaster, and how so many 'fans' think GZ is the man for the job. GZ has the management pedigree of a mongrel. He is hopeless and needs to go. HC[/p][/quote]I bet you are the guys who boo the team at the end of the game as well.[/p][/quote]I bet you applaud them off after getting paid a lot of money yet treating crowds to 90 mins of dross. I bet you cheer Zola even though he constantly fails as amanager. I bet you dont like conflict at work. Yes why don't we all embrace mediocrity. Saddo[/p][/quote]Let's get a few things straight here. Yes you are partly right, Zola needs to go, but you are clearly going way OTT to try and get some sort of reaction. How can you say the boys are treating the crowds to 90 minutes of dross when you say yourself you rarely go to games. We were by far the better team yesterday, Wednesday didn't pose a threat but for what ever reason and a massive lack of confidence it ain't happening. A new manager with New as can easily take thus team up but there is no need to slate Zola, who has done nothing but tried his hardest and treated us fans who actually go and watch the games to the best football EVER seen at the Vic. GZ has ruined our club has he??? Hahaha that's the exact absurd statement that is the reason why no one listens to your "truth" or is bothered by what you say. Yes speak the truth but when you then over exaggerate by and turn it into a rant against the very team you support don't expect anything else that the pity and lack of respect you get. Rant over. Lets get behind the New boss who can hopefully turn this around! Ronny oh Ronny Ronny

10:10am Sun 15 Dec 13

Ronny oh Ronny Ronny says...

Hornet Cornet wrote:
Hello everybody! I am now calm and maintain that GZ really has to go.
Asides from my usual conjecture, and in the cold light of day, we clearly needmmanagerial change. GZ is out of ideas and, although I really like him as a person, he is not a good long term manager. He seems to have good initial impact and then not know what to do. It is a shame but everyone is beating us, Gz does not know what to do and we need a change.

Hc
This is a better, sober cornet! Can't arguess wwith this truthful assessment.
[quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: Hello everybody! I am now calm and maintain that GZ really has to go. Asides from my usual conjecture, and in the cold light of day, we clearly needmmanagerial change. GZ is out of ideas and, although I really like him as a person, he is not a good long term manager. He seems to have good initial impact and then not know what to do. It is a shame but everyone is beating us, Gz does not know what to do and we need a change. Hc[/p][/quote]This is a better, sober cornet! Can't arguess wwith this truthful assessment. Ronny oh Ronny Ronny

10:50am Sun 15 Dec 13

Pawlettfan says...

Oh, how short memories we all have! Was it only a few month's ago that the posts here were "looking forward to the new season more than ever before", how we were going to "storm the division" and "..it's the best football I've seen at the Vic in over 40 years" etc.
We were saying before the season started that we had the best squad in the division. Isn't this still the case? How many internationals do we have? But we don't have the best team - and that's the manager's job.
It was always my fear that GZ (even last year) was not tactically astute enough and when you look at the many very clever managers currently in the Championship who have years and years of experience in English football at Championship and Premiership level GZ is simply being out-maneuvered tactically. The Watford "style" has been rumbled - other managers are countering it. Answer: sad to say GZ must be replaced by someone more tactically experienced and aware, that can get the best out of an outstanding bunch of players.
Incidentally, I was at Cardiff yesterday. Vydra came on with 5 minutes to go when WBA were chasing the game. Made one blitz-fast run across the box ending with a clever backheel but no-one was there to take advantage. Yes, we're missing him probably as much as he must be missing us.
Oh, how short memories we all have! Was it only a few month's ago that the posts here were "looking forward to the new season more than ever before", how we were going to "storm the division" and "..it's the best football I've seen at the Vic in over 40 years" etc. We were saying before the season started that we had the best squad in the division. Isn't this still the case? How many internationals do we have? But we don't have the best team - and that's the manager's job. It was always my fear that GZ (even last year) was not tactically astute enough and when you look at the many very clever managers currently in the Championship who have years and years of experience in English football at Championship and Premiership level GZ is simply being out-maneuvered tactically. The Watford "style" has been rumbled - other managers are countering it. Answer: sad to say GZ must be replaced by someone more tactically experienced and aware, that can get the best out of an outstanding bunch of players. Incidentally, I was at Cardiff yesterday. Vydra came on with 5 minutes to go when WBA were chasing the game. Made one blitz-fast run across the box ending with a clever backheel but no-one was there to take advantage. Yes, we're missing him probably as much as he must be missing us. Pawlettfan

10:58am Sun 15 Dec 13

KeithMercer says...

Hornet Cornet wrote:
mellow yellow wrote:
Hornet Cornet wrote:
Hello everybody! I am now calm and maintain that GZ really has to go.
Asides from my usual conjecture, and in the cold light of day, we clearly needmmanagerial change. GZ is out of ideas and, although I really like him as a person, he is not a good long term manager. He seems to have good initial impact and then not know what to do. It is a shame but everyone is beating us, Gz does not know what to do and we need a change.

Hc
If, as some suggest, Clarke came in as number 2, or even co head coach, and our form was transformed, what would you then think, my poetic friend? Zola in, or Clarke on his own from next season. Just conjecture, old bean...
As long as we have a winning management team, I don't mind how the management team is structured me old fruit bat.
Good to see you are sobering up my friend Mr Comet !
dont let it get you down, first of all there are more important things in life, and secondly we WILL get to the promised land it just might take a bit longer than we had all hoped. Just be patient and lets all stick together through difficult times.Come on it could be worse ! we could be playing in the Skrill !!
[quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mellow yellow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: Hello everybody! I am now calm and maintain that GZ really has to go. Asides from my usual conjecture, and in the cold light of day, we clearly needmmanagerial change. GZ is out of ideas and, although I really like him as a person, he is not a good long term manager. He seems to have good initial impact and then not know what to do. It is a shame but everyone is beating us, Gz does not know what to do and we need a change. Hc[/p][/quote]If, as some suggest, Clarke came in as number 2, or even co head coach, and our form was transformed, what would you then think, my poetic friend? Zola in, or Clarke on his own from next season. Just conjecture, old bean...[/p][/quote]As long as we have a winning management team, I don't mind how the management team is structured me old fruit bat.[/p][/quote]Good to see you are sobering up my friend Mr Comet ! dont let it get you down, first of all there are more important things in life, and secondly we WILL get to the promised land it just might take a bit longer than we had all hoped. Just be patient and lets all stick together through difficult times.Come on it could be worse ! we could be playing in the Skrill !! KeithMercer

11:51am Sun 15 Dec 13

stevyweavy says...

The Pozzos who have done a fantastic job in improving the club, providing us with the ability to assemble what on paper should be a fantastic squad have to take some responsibility for allowing Zola to make changes to his coaching staff which left us with a Mr Invisible assistant coach that has no relevant past experience at a time when the club is trying to get us into arguably the best league in the world. How can the players and the rest of the coaching staff have respect for someone that clearly does not have the necessary attributes to bring anything to the cause. The longer this situation is allowed to continue the worse our position will get. If Zola won't make the necessary changes to get the squad back on board then he needs to go. I used to coach my son's football team but I don't really think that makes me assistant coach material but then again maybe I can't be any worse than the one in place at the moment after all I am English, I live in Watford, I have a season ticket, I love Watford FC and know absolutely nothing about Lithuanian football - Oh and if I do a Google search I can at least find something about me on the internet and am looking for a new challenge at the moment.
The Pozzos who have done a fantastic job in improving the club, providing us with the ability to assemble what on paper should be a fantastic squad have to take some responsibility for allowing Zola to make changes to his coaching staff which left us with a Mr Invisible assistant coach that has no relevant past experience at a time when the club is trying to get us into arguably the best league in the world. How can the players and the rest of the coaching staff have respect for someone that clearly does not have the necessary attributes to bring anything to the cause. The longer this situation is allowed to continue the worse our position will get. If Zola won't make the necessary changes to get the squad back on board then he needs to go. I used to coach my son's football team but I don't really think that makes me assistant coach material but then again maybe I can't be any worse than the one in place at the moment after all I am English, I live in Watford, I have a season ticket, I love Watford FC and know absolutely nothing about Lithuanian football - Oh and if I do a Google search I can at least find something about me on the internet and am looking for a new challenge at the moment. stevyweavy

11:53am Sun 15 Dec 13

rogeruk says...

mellow yellow wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
Hornet Cornet wrote:
I'm building p to an almighty rant. How the f**k I have managed to keep quiet over the past 4-5 hours is beyond me.
Remember the crap I took from all those happy clappers? Today, they quote my ideas about Zola, when all they could do previously was insults. What can you do?

There is a certain group of people that are beyond logic, I didn't realize Watford have so many happy clappers. And 'we love the Pozzos - they can do no wrong' clappers. I told them many times; Pozzos are not Gods, they can screw up! You saw the abuse! I said nice men don’t make leaders, take Ferguson he didn't make friends with his players! And so on!

We both advocated six weeks ago Zola was not up to it! We could see week after week Zola was drowning, he should have asked for help then! It’s too late now! If Zola had been more honest about his situation he could still have had a future. He wasn't honest about Abdi’s injury either, leading fans to believe Abdi would be back in a few weeks, knowing Abdi’s diagnosis now, we will be lucky to see him this season , he may come back but it is touch and go!

Zola will go the way of Vialli, too much pride! Watford’s UK management and Pozzo son should have intervened earlier, they may be football savvy in Italy, and however, they still have a lot to learn about English football and English football culture! Sure there is some new quality in the team, but nothing like last season’s; , Vydra, Challobah Abdi and Zola’s No 2 have not been replaced! Could be the success of last season was in spite of Zola not because of him! Quite a few Duds have been sent from the Pozzo Bank of Players into the UK squad, which in my view is disrespectful to Watford and the fans!

Zola in my mind was finished after Wembley last year. I saw the signs, I have sufficient international experience in managing companies and individuals in four countries to recognize the symptoms.
Ok, Roger. That is the most balanced assessment you have provided, without your previous need for jingoistic war references and the like. It is hard to argue with much of what you've said, though your last sentence is overly smug and pompous.

There is a lot of talk about unrest behind the scenes, and of general dissatisfaction in certain sectors... But I personally have no knowledge of this so find conjecture pointless. However, maybe it is time for a change. If two people at the fans forum had their questions about Zola's number 2 sidestepped, for me that is just not acceptable. It is valid, as is the question of who calls the shots regarding player acquisition and the like.

Zola in or Zola out? It's not in our control, really, is it?!
The reason I wrote my last paragraph is to demonstrate I have international management experience! Management is management whether its football or politics! How many of the posters on here have that? I also speak four languages fluently Spanish, French, German and reasonable Russian, I know the attitude in the UK today is to glorify losers by saying ‘we are all winners’ claptrap and insult people who can do things they can't do. Look where that has got us as a country? This can clearly be seen on this site.

I am not questioning Zola's football knowledge, I question enormously Zola's management! I also question the Pozzo's management of the situation through both their UK set up and the attitude from Italy. If you can move past the personal insults and take off the rose tinted glasses, deal with reality, the majority of posters on here have no comprehension of what is going on combined with a slavish attitude of being grateful to the Pozzos for buying the club, that doesn't give the Pozzos carte blanche to do what they want! There will be a Watford fc after the Pozzos leave it may not be the same one, but it will be Watford fc.

Those of us who ‘happy clappers ‘constantly can only argue personal insults and not reason or intelligence, will see in a short period we know what we are saying, we were the same people who understood the Bassini situation, exposed it and took insults for it, you are probably the same bunch who trusted Bassini.

Even after we have been proven right the ‘happy clappers’ will not have the grace to admit it, carrying on their fantasy and self-denial.

We are not pleased in being proved right, ultimately we are true Watford supporters who want the best for our team but we also live with feet firmly planted on the ground in reality.
[quote][p][bold]mellow yellow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: I'm building p to an almighty rant. How the f**k I have managed to keep quiet over the past 4-5 hours is beyond me.[/p][/quote]Remember the crap I took from all those happy clappers? Today, they quote my ideas about Zola, when all they could do previously was insults. What can you do? There is a certain group of people that are beyond logic, I didn't realize Watford have so many happy clappers. And 'we love the Pozzos - they can do no wrong' clappers. I told them many times; Pozzos are not Gods, they can screw up! You saw the abuse! I said nice men don’t make leaders, take Ferguson he didn't make friends with his players! And so on! We both advocated six weeks ago Zola was not up to it! We could see week after week Zola was drowning, he should have asked for help then! It’s too late now! If Zola had been more honest about his situation he could still have had a future. He wasn't honest about Abdi’s injury either, leading fans to believe Abdi would be back in a few weeks, knowing Abdi’s diagnosis now, we will be lucky to see him this season , he may come back but it is touch and go! Zola will go the way of Vialli, too much pride! Watford’s UK management and Pozzo son should have intervened earlier, they may be football savvy in Italy, and however, they still have a lot to learn about English football and English football culture! Sure there is some new quality in the team, but nothing like last season’s; , Vydra, Challobah Abdi and Zola’s No 2 have not been replaced! Could be the success of last season was in spite of Zola not because of him! Quite a few Duds have been sent from the Pozzo Bank of Players into the UK squad, which in my view is disrespectful to Watford and the fans! Zola in my mind was finished after Wembley last year. I saw the signs, I have sufficient international experience in managing companies and individuals in four countries to recognize the symptoms.[/p][/quote]Ok, Roger. That is the most balanced assessment you have provided, without your previous need for jingoistic war references and the like. It is hard to argue with much of what you've said, though your last sentence is overly smug and pompous. There is a lot of talk about unrest behind the scenes, and of general dissatisfaction in certain sectors... But I personally have no knowledge of this so find conjecture pointless. However, maybe it is time for a change. If two people at the fans forum had their questions about Zola's number 2 sidestepped, for me that is just not acceptable. It is valid, as is the question of who calls the shots regarding player acquisition and the like. Zola in or Zola out? It's not in our control, really, is it?![/p][/quote]The reason I wrote my last paragraph is to demonstrate I have international management experience! Management is management whether its football or politics! How many of the posters on here have that? I also speak four languages fluently Spanish, French, German and reasonable Russian, I know the attitude in the UK today is to glorify losers by saying ‘we are all winners’ claptrap and insult people who can do things they can't do. Look where that has got us as a country? This can clearly be seen on this site. I am not questioning Zola's football knowledge, I question enormously Zola's management! I also question the Pozzo's management of the situation through both their UK set up and the attitude from Italy. If you can move past the personal insults and take off the rose tinted glasses, deal with reality, the majority of posters on here have no comprehension of what is going on combined with a slavish attitude of being grateful to the Pozzos for buying the club, that doesn't give the Pozzos carte blanche to do what they want! There will be a Watford fc after the Pozzos leave it may not be the same one, but it will be Watford fc. Those of us who ‘happy clappers ‘constantly can only argue personal insults and not reason or intelligence, will see in a short period we know what we are saying, we were the same people who understood the Bassini situation, exposed it and took insults for it, you are probably the same bunch who trusted Bassini. Even after we have been proven right the ‘happy clappers’ will not have the grace to admit it, carrying on their fantasy and self-denial. We are not pleased in being proved right, ultimately we are true Watford supporters who want the best for our team but we also live with feet firmly planted on the ground in reality. rogeruk

12:01pm Sun 15 Dec 13

JohnnyHornet says...

corbindallas wrote:
Zola is a good man and he will know what he needs to do, the Pozzo's are not known to keep managers aboard who are not producing the results, in fact their history shows very short shrift for some mangers and to that end I expect one way or another we will know some sort of outcome before next weekend. The Pozzo's came with a Premiership plan and looking at the set up they will know if that plan is failing because of managment or the players or both, next month will really be interesting in the January transfer window as I will then see the metal of our future, not because we need wholesale changes but we do need to sort out 2 key positions at least.
Personally, now he's free we should get Steve Clarke in as no 2, great coach but the juries out about being a manager, he know's Zola and the English game. And from the other stream, just one question, If we have a wealth of knowledge on the board and football, why has it taken so long to identify we need a second striker ?
[quote][p][bold]corbindallas[/bold] wrote: Zola is a good man and he will know what he needs to do, the Pozzo's are not known to keep managers aboard who are not producing the results, in fact their history shows very short shrift for some mangers and to that end I expect one way or another we will know some sort of outcome before next weekend. The Pozzo's came with a Premiership plan and looking at the set up they will know if that plan is failing because of managment or the players or both, next month will really be interesting in the January transfer window as I will then see the metal of our future, not because we need wholesale changes but we do need to sort out 2 key positions at least.[/p][/quote]Personally, now he's free we should get Steve Clarke in as no 2, great coach but the juries out about being a manager, he know's Zola and the English game. And from the other stream, just one question, If we have a wealth of knowledge on the board and football, why has it taken so long to identify we need a second striker ? JohnnyHornet

12:07pm Sun 15 Dec 13

JohnnyHornet says...

And on another subject, I see Matej Vydra only got 2 minutes of Football again, I bet his arse is warm on the bench.
And on another subject, I see Matej Vydra only got 2 minutes of Football again, I bet his arse is warm on the bench. JohnnyHornet

12:10pm Sun 15 Dec 13

Emmer Green Hornet says...

The only thing more depressing than recent results has been reading the inane bo11ox on this forum by demerit, hornet cornet, warbler etc.

By his own admission one of these 3 never attends games so is clearly getting himself worked-up into a frenzy of abusive and over the top comments from just reading the scores on the vidiprinter at 5pm.

It's just unfortunate he is the most prolific poster on here.
The only thing more depressing than recent results has been reading the inane bo11ox on this forum by demerit, hornet cornet, warbler etc. By his own admission one of these 3 never attends games so is clearly getting himself worked-up into a frenzy of abusive and over the top comments from just reading the scores on the vidiprinter at 5pm. It's just unfortunate he is the most prolific poster on here. Emmer Green Hornet

12:15pm Sun 15 Dec 13

Hornet Cornet says...

KeithMercer wrote:
Hornet Cornet wrote:
mellow yellow wrote:
Hornet Cornet wrote:
Hello everybody! I am now calm and maintain that GZ really has to go.
Asides from my usual conjecture, and in the cold light of day, we clearly needmmanagerial change. GZ is out of ideas and, although I really like him as a person, he is not a good long term manager. He seems to have good initial impact and then not know what to do. It is a shame but everyone is beating us, Gz does not know what to do and we need a change.

Hc
If, as some suggest, Clarke came in as number 2, or even co head coach, and our form was transformed, what would you then think, my poetic friend? Zola in, or Clarke on his own from next season. Just conjecture, old bean...
As long as we have a winning management team, I don't mind how the management team is structured me old fruit bat.
Good to see you are sobering up my friend Mr Comet !
dont let it get you down, first of all there are more important things in life, and secondly we WILL get to the promised land it just might take a bit longer than we had all hoped. Just be patient and lets all stick together through difficult times.Come on it could be worse ! we could be playing in the Skrill !!
Hello all.
Strangely I was totally sober last night. I think it was a combination of spending all day at Thomasland together with me not understanding why so many people thinking that GZ will turn it around.
I truly want him to do so but don't believe he has the skills to do so.

Anyone for a hug?
[quote][p][bold]KeithMercer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mellow yellow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: Hello everybody! I am now calm and maintain that GZ really has to go. Asides from my usual conjecture, and in the cold light of day, we clearly needmmanagerial change. GZ is out of ideas and, although I really like him as a person, he is not a good long term manager. He seems to have good initial impact and then not know what to do. It is a shame but everyone is beating us, Gz does not know what to do and we need a change. Hc[/p][/quote]If, as some suggest, Clarke came in as number 2, or even co head coach, and our form was transformed, what would you then think, my poetic friend? Zola in, or Clarke on his own from next season. Just conjecture, old bean...[/p][/quote]As long as we have a winning management team, I don't mind how the management team is structured me old fruit bat.[/p][/quote]Good to see you are sobering up my friend Mr Comet ! dont let it get you down, first of all there are more important things in life, and secondly we WILL get to the promised land it just might take a bit longer than we had all hoped. Just be patient and lets all stick together through difficult times.Come on it could be worse ! we could be playing in the Skrill !![/p][/quote]Hello all. Strangely I was totally sober last night. I think it was a combination of spending all day at Thomasland together with me not understanding why so many people thinking that GZ will turn it around. I truly want him to do so but don't believe he has the skills to do so. Anyone for a hug? Hornet Cornet

12:17pm Sun 15 Dec 13

Doctor of Letters says...

Roger: thank you for sharing your managerial omni-expertise with us small people. It's truly generous of you to grant us an insight into your exclusive access to reality. You must be very popular & successful, but I note that you retain a keen sense of humility, which is most inspiring.
Roger: thank you for sharing your managerial omni-expertise with us small people. It's truly generous of you to grant us an insight into your exclusive access to reality. You must be very popular & successful, but I note that you retain a keen sense of humility, which is most inspiring. Doctor of Letters

12:32pm Sun 15 Dec 13

matey_from_brighton says...

JohnnyHornet wrote:
corbindallas wrote:
Zola is a good man and he will know what he needs to do, the Pozzo's are not known to keep managers aboard who are not producing the results, in fact their history shows very short shrift for some mangers and to that end I expect one way or another we will know some sort of outcome before next weekend. The Pozzo's came with a Premiership plan and looking at the set up they will know if that plan is failing because of managment or the players or both, next month will really be interesting in the January transfer window as I will then see the metal of our future, not because we need wholesale changes but we do need to sort out 2 key positions at least.
Personally, now he's free we should get Steve Clarke in as no 2, great coach but the juries out about being a manager, he know's Zola and the English game. And from the other stream, just one question, If we have a wealth of knowledge on the board and football, why has it taken so long to identify we need a second striker ?
can hardly see Steve Clarke wanting to go from Premiership manager to Championship No 2 - it took him long enough to get his shot at management in the first place. Likewise with Di Matteo he is now favourite for the WBA job so it would take a special sort of sales talk to convince him that he should manage in the Championship. I don't know what the answer is but I really cannot see that Holloway, Warnock etc. would have a hope in hell of getting us promoted with the structure we have in place at the moment so that said Di Matteo would be ideal but just seems a bit unlikely.
[quote][p][bold]JohnnyHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]corbindallas[/bold] wrote: Zola is a good man and he will know what he needs to do, the Pozzo's are not known to keep managers aboard who are not producing the results, in fact their history shows very short shrift for some mangers and to that end I expect one way or another we will know some sort of outcome before next weekend. The Pozzo's came with a Premiership plan and looking at the set up they will know if that plan is failing because of managment or the players or both, next month will really be interesting in the January transfer window as I will then see the metal of our future, not because we need wholesale changes but we do need to sort out 2 key positions at least.[/p][/quote]Personally, now he's free we should get Steve Clarke in as no 2, great coach but the juries out about being a manager, he know's Zola and the English game. And from the other stream, just one question, If we have a wealth of knowledge on the board and football, why has it taken so long to identify we need a second striker ?[/p][/quote]can hardly see Steve Clarke wanting to go from Premiership manager to Championship No 2 - it took him long enough to get his shot at management in the first place. Likewise with Di Matteo he is now favourite for the WBA job so it would take a special sort of sales talk to convince him that he should manage in the Championship. I don't know what the answer is but I really cannot see that Holloway, Warnock etc. would have a hope in hell of getting us promoted with the structure we have in place at the moment so that said Di Matteo would be ideal but just seems a bit unlikely. matey_from_brighton

12:33pm Sun 15 Dec 13

Hornet Cornet says...

Emmer Green Hornet wrote:
The only thing more depressing than recent results has been reading the inane bo11ox on this forum by demerit, hornet cornet, warbler etc.

By his own admission one of these 3 never attends games so is clearly getting himself worked-up into a frenzy of abusive and over the top comments from just reading the scores on the vidiprinter at 5pm.

It's just unfortunate he is the most prolific poster on here.
Get your facts straight - I didn't post til about 10pm.

Anyway me, demerit, rogeruk, warbler, erc. have been correct for a long long time about GZ. Shame you and many others could not see this. That is why me and my pals are brilliant.

Discuss
[quote][p][bold]Emmer Green Hornet[/bold] wrote: The only thing more depressing than recent results has been reading the inane bo11ox on this forum by demerit, hornet cornet, warbler etc. By his own admission one of these 3 never attends games so is clearly getting himself worked-up into a frenzy of abusive and over the top comments from just reading the scores on the vidiprinter at 5pm. It's just unfortunate he is the most prolific poster on here.[/p][/quote]Get your facts straight - I didn't post til about 10pm. Anyway me, demerit, rogeruk, warbler, erc. have been correct for a long long time about GZ. Shame you and many others could not see this. That is why me and my pals are brilliant. Discuss Hornet Cornet

1:19pm Sun 15 Dec 13

croxley46 says...

Summer breeze wrote:
Something I noticed yesterday: when Faraoni was injured and laying on the floor in agony, why didn't the captain go over to see what was happening to one of the team? Davide was down for ages, but Troy stood there talking to his opposite number at the other end of the pitch. Sometimes if there is a problem with an employee, you can promote him/her and give them an actual opportunity to step-up, but sometimes they are not capable. What would John Eustace have done?
Yes, I noticed this too and was disgusted by our captain's lack of concern.
Certainly not a "Captain" in my book - too selfish and dis-interested. Taxi for Deeney in January.
[quote][p][bold]Summer breeze[/bold] wrote: Something I noticed yesterday: when Faraoni was injured and laying on the floor in agony, why didn't the captain go over to see what was happening to one of the team? Davide was down for ages, but Troy stood there talking to his opposite number at the other end of the pitch. Sometimes if there is a problem with an employee, you can promote him/her and give them an actual opportunity to step-up, but sometimes they are not capable. What would John Eustace have done?[/p][/quote]Yes, I noticed this too and was disgusted by our captain's lack of concern. Certainly not a "Captain" in my book - too selfish and dis-interested. Taxi for Deeney in January. croxley46

1:22pm Sun 15 Dec 13

allgood says...

I want Zola to succeed but after seeing us play 1 up front at home to a team that have not kept a clean sheet all season I am doubting he ever will.
I want Zola to succeed but after seeing us play 1 up front at home to a team that have not kept a clean sheet all season I am doubting he ever will. allgood

2:09pm Sun 15 Dec 13

JonBoy says...

If Watford had done to Vydra what Liverpool did to Suarez we wouldn't be in this position
If Watford had done to Vydra what Liverpool did to Suarez we wouldn't be in this position JonBoy

2:25pm Sun 15 Dec 13

rousman 2 says...

The team selection yesterday said it all for me, the body language of some of the player's spoke volume's. Like it or not we are showing relegation form & to say we have one of the best squads in the division is nonsense. Pick your own Championship 11 how many Watford player's would be in it ? The team & squad is not as good as last Season simple as that. To get into the play offs we would have to win 6/7 games on the spin does any one who has seen the team this season see that happening. Drastic steps need to be taken.
The team selection yesterday said it all for me, the body language of some of the player's spoke volume's. Like it or not we are showing relegation form & to say we have one of the best squads in the division is nonsense. Pick your own Championship 11 how many Watford player's would be in it ? The team & squad is not as good as last Season simple as that. To get into the play offs we would have to win 6/7 games on the spin does any one who has seen the team this season see that happening. Drastic steps need to be taken. rousman 2

2:44pm Sun 15 Dec 13

jaemae2 says...

Hornet Cornet wrote:
Right, GZ has to go. Utterly sick of the drivel spouted by numerous posters on the Wobbo site who contsantly slate me and those of us who have been saying for a period of time that GZ has to go. Those of you who used to slag me off,saying I was negatve and this and that, go and assess your level of reality and intelligence. Go and berate yourselves for being dim and prejudiced against people who write the truth.

Those of you who still think I am wrong, go and read what GZ is now saying and you will see that you've been living in this sort of twilight world where everything is rosey and nothing will spoil your enjoyment of it all.

It's dimwitted plonkers on this site who always back the manager, who always abuse us posters who write the truth, who refuse to take action when the club is in crisis, that make this site as worthless as it has become.

I challenge those if you who abused me and said I was negative, name-called and such, to mitigate your comments. Now continue spouting the mistruths that make your lives as pointless as they are.

Roger UK, DeMerit, etc, our beliefs and opinions have been justified. Unfortuntaley the Pozzos should have seen this a while back.

HC
The truth is you may have an IQ of 15
[quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: Right, GZ has to go. Utterly sick of the drivel spouted by numerous posters on the Wobbo site who contsantly slate me and those of us who have been saying for a period of time that GZ has to go. Those of you who used to slag me off,saying I was negatve and this and that, go and assess your level of reality and intelligence. Go and berate yourselves for being dim and prejudiced against people who write the truth. Those of you who still think I am wrong, go and read what GZ is now saying and you will see that you've been living in this sort of twilight world where everything is rosey and nothing will spoil your enjoyment of it all. It's dimwitted plonkers on this site who always back the manager, who always abuse us posters who write the truth, who refuse to take action when the club is in crisis, that make this site as worthless as it has become. I challenge those if you who abused me and said I was negative, name-called and such, to mitigate your comments. Now continue spouting the mistruths that make your lives as pointless as they are. Roger UK, DeMerit, etc, our beliefs and opinions have been justified. Unfortuntaley the Pozzos should have seen this a while back. HC[/p][/quote]The truth is you may have an IQ of 15 jaemae2

2:53pm Sun 15 Dec 13

buckler says...

Why not wait until we're in the bottom 6 before sacking Zola!
Why not wait until we're in the bottom 6 before sacking Zola! buckler

4:02pm Sun 15 Dec 13

Hornet Cornet says...

jaemae2 wrote:
Hornet Cornet wrote:
Right, GZ has to go. Utterly sick of the drivel spouted by numerous posters on the Wobbo site who contsantly slate me and those of us who have been saying for a period of time that GZ has to go. Those of you who used to slag me off,saying I was negatve and this and that, go and assess your level of reality and intelligence. Go and berate yourselves for being dim and prejudiced against people who write the truth.

Those of you who still think I am wrong, go and read what GZ is now saying and you will see that you've been living in this sort of twilight world where everything is rosey and nothing will spoil your enjoyment of it all.

It's dimwitted plonkers on this site who always back the manager, who always abuse us posters who write the truth, who refuse to take action when the club is in crisis, that make this site as worthless as it has become.

I challenge those if you who abused me and said I was negative, name-called and such, to mitigate your comments. Now continue spouting the mistruths that make your lives as pointless as they are.

Roger UK, DeMerit, etc, our beliefs and opinions have been justified. Unfortuntaley the Pozzos should have seen this a while back.

HC
The truth is you may have an IQ of 15
That's 14 more than you
[quote][p][bold]jaemae2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: Right, GZ has to go. Utterly sick of the drivel spouted by numerous posters on the Wobbo site who contsantly slate me and those of us who have been saying for a period of time that GZ has to go. Those of you who used to slag me off,saying I was negatve and this and that, go and assess your level of reality and intelligence. Go and berate yourselves for being dim and prejudiced against people who write the truth. Those of you who still think I am wrong, go and read what GZ is now saying and you will see that you've been living in this sort of twilight world where everything is rosey and nothing will spoil your enjoyment of it all. It's dimwitted plonkers on this site who always back the manager, who always abuse us posters who write the truth, who refuse to take action when the club is in crisis, that make this site as worthless as it has become. I challenge those if you who abused me and said I was negative, name-called and such, to mitigate your comments. Now continue spouting the mistruths that make your lives as pointless as they are. Roger UK, DeMerit, etc, our beliefs and opinions have been justified. Unfortuntaley the Pozzos should have seen this a while back. HC[/p][/quote]The truth is you may have an IQ of 15[/p][/quote]That's 14 more than you Hornet Cornet

5:00pm Sun 15 Dec 13

allgood says...

buckler wrote:
Why not wait until we're in the bottom 6 before sacking Zola!
On current form that will be by mid January.
[quote][p][bold]buckler[/bold] wrote: Why not wait until we're in the bottom 6 before sacking Zola![/p][/quote]On current form that will be by mid January. allgood

6:04pm Sun 15 Dec 13

Bush Hornet says...

rogeruk wrote:
mellow yellow wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
Hornet Cornet wrote:
I'm building p to an almighty rant. How the f**k I have managed to keep quiet over the past 4-5 hours is beyond me.
Remember the crap I took from all those happy clappers? Today, they quote my ideas about Zola, when all they could do previously was insults. What can you do?

There is a certain group of people that are beyond logic, I didn't realize Watford have so many happy clappers. And 'we love the Pozzos - they can do no wrong' clappers. I told them many times; Pozzos are not Gods, they can screw up! You saw the abuse! I said nice men don’t make leaders, take Ferguson he didn't make friends with his players! And so on!

We both advocated six weeks ago Zola was not up to it! We could see week after week Zola was drowning, he should have asked for help then! It’s too late now! If Zola had been more honest about his situation he could still have had a future. He wasn't honest about Abdi’s injury either, leading fans to believe Abdi would be back in a few weeks, knowing Abdi’s diagnosis now, we will be lucky to see him this season , he may come back but it is touch and go!

Zola will go the way of Vialli, too much pride! Watford’s UK management and Pozzo son should have intervened earlier, they may be football savvy in Italy, and however, they still have a lot to learn about English football and English football culture! Sure there is some new quality in the team, but nothing like last season’s; , Vydra, Challobah Abdi and Zola’s No 2 have not been replaced! Could be the success of last season was in spite of Zola not because of him! Quite a few Duds have been sent from the Pozzo Bank of Players into the UK squad, which in my view is disrespectful to Watford and the fans!

Zola in my mind was finished after Wembley last year. I saw the signs, I have sufficient international experience in managing companies and individuals in four countries to recognize the symptoms.
Ok, Roger. That is the most balanced assessment you have provided, without your previous need for jingoistic war references and the like. It is hard to argue with much of what you've said, though your last sentence is overly smug and pompous.

There is a lot of talk about unrest behind the scenes, and of general dissatisfaction in certain sectors... But I personally have no knowledge of this so find conjecture pointless. However, maybe it is time for a change. If two people at the fans forum had their questions about Zola's number 2 sidestepped, for me that is just not acceptable. It is valid, as is the question of who calls the shots regarding player acquisition and the like.

Zola in or Zola out? It's not in our control, really, is it?!
The reason I wrote my last paragraph is to demonstrate I have international management experience! Management is management whether its football or politics! How many of the posters on here have that? I also speak four languages fluently Spanish, French, German and reasonable Russian, I know the attitude in the UK today is to glorify losers by saying ‘we are all winners’ claptrap and insult people who can do things they can't do. Look where that has got us as a country? This can clearly be seen on this site.

I am not questioning Zola's football knowledge, I question enormously Zola's management! I also question the Pozzo's management of the situation through both their UK set up and the attitude from Italy. If you can move past the personal insults and take off the rose tinted glasses, deal with reality, the majority of posters on here have no comprehension of what is going on combined with a slavish attitude of being grateful to the Pozzos for buying the club, that doesn't give the Pozzos carte blanche to do what they want! There will be a Watford fc after the Pozzos leave it may not be the same one, but it will be Watford fc.

Those of us who ‘happy clappers ‘constantly can only argue personal insults and not reason or intelligence, will see in a short period we know what we are saying, we were the same people who understood the Bassini situation, exposed it and took insults for it, you are probably the same bunch who trusted Bassini.

Even after we have been proven right the ‘happy clappers’ will not have the grace to admit it, carrying on their fantasy and self-denial.

We are not pleased in being proved right, ultimately we are true Watford supporters who want the best for our team but we also live with feet firmly planted on the ground in reality.
More arrogant and irrelevant bilge. The fact that you speak more than one language just means your nonsense is not just restricted to the English speaking world, which is alarming.
[quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mellow yellow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: I'm building p to an almighty rant. How the f**k I have managed to keep quiet over the past 4-5 hours is beyond me.[/p][/quote]Remember the crap I took from all those happy clappers? Today, they quote my ideas about Zola, when all they could do previously was insults. What can you do? There is a certain group of people that are beyond logic, I didn't realize Watford have so many happy clappers. And 'we love the Pozzos - they can do no wrong' clappers. I told them many times; Pozzos are not Gods, they can screw up! You saw the abuse! I said nice men don’t make leaders, take Ferguson he didn't make friends with his players! And so on! We both advocated six weeks ago Zola was not up to it! We could see week after week Zola was drowning, he should have asked for help then! It’s too late now! If Zola had been more honest about his situation he could still have had a future. He wasn't honest about Abdi’s injury either, leading fans to believe Abdi would be back in a few weeks, knowing Abdi’s diagnosis now, we will be lucky to see him this season , he may come back but it is touch and go! Zola will go the way of Vialli, too much pride! Watford’s UK management and Pozzo son should have intervened earlier, they may be football savvy in Italy, and however, they still have a lot to learn about English football and English football culture! Sure there is some new quality in the team, but nothing like last season’s; , Vydra, Challobah Abdi and Zola’s No 2 have not been replaced! Could be the success of last season was in spite of Zola not because of him! Quite a few Duds have been sent from the Pozzo Bank of Players into the UK squad, which in my view is disrespectful to Watford and the fans! Zola in my mind was finished after Wembley last year. I saw the signs, I have sufficient international experience in managing companies and individuals in four countries to recognize the symptoms.[/p][/quote]Ok, Roger. That is the most balanced assessment you have provided, without your previous need for jingoistic war references and the like. It is hard to argue with much of what you've said, though your last sentence is overly smug and pompous. There is a lot of talk about unrest behind the scenes, and of general dissatisfaction in certain sectors... But I personally have no knowledge of this so find conjecture pointless. However, maybe it is time for a change. If two people at the fans forum had their questions about Zola's number 2 sidestepped, for me that is just not acceptable. It is valid, as is the question of who calls the shots regarding player acquisition and the like. Zola in or Zola out? It's not in our control, really, is it?![/p][/quote]The reason I wrote my last paragraph is to demonstrate I have international management experience! Management is management whether its football or politics! How many of the posters on here have that? I also speak four languages fluently Spanish, French, German and reasonable Russian, I know the attitude in the UK today is to glorify losers by saying ‘we are all winners’ claptrap and insult people who can do things they can't do. Look where that has got us as a country? This can clearly be seen on this site. I am not questioning Zola's football knowledge, I question enormously Zola's management! I also question the Pozzo's management of the situation through both their UK set up and the attitude from Italy. If you can move past the personal insults and take off the rose tinted glasses, deal with reality, the majority of posters on here have no comprehension of what is going on combined with a slavish attitude of being grateful to the Pozzos for buying the club, that doesn't give the Pozzos carte blanche to do what they want! There will be a Watford fc after the Pozzos leave it may not be the same one, but it will be Watford fc. Those of us who ‘happy clappers ‘constantly can only argue personal insults and not reason or intelligence, will see in a short period we know what we are saying, we were the same people who understood the Bassini situation, exposed it and took insults for it, you are probably the same bunch who trusted Bassini. Even after we have been proven right the ‘happy clappers’ will not have the grace to admit it, carrying on their fantasy and self-denial. We are not pleased in being proved right, ultimately we are true Watford supporters who want the best for our team but we also live with feet firmly planted on the ground in reality.[/p][/quote]More arrogant and irrelevant bilge. The fact that you speak more than one language just means your nonsense is not just restricted to the English speaking world, which is alarming. Bush Hornet

6:08pm Sun 15 Dec 13

demerit says...

Doctor of Letters wrote:
femalehornet122 wrote:
I tthink t would be sad to loose Zola. We are all in this together an together we must find the way forward. We over performed last year and this year we are suspect but it does not good to loose a good manager. We need to relook at how we are working rotgether and look at changes. we need to find a way through a 10 man defence because that is what they did today, just blocked us out.
We also need ot concentrate on set pieces to do to others what is being done to us.

I would hope we can all work together to resolve this without looking for Zola to go anywhere. It would be sad day
A wise & patient contribution afloat in what's about to become a sea of effluence, I suspect. Well said.
ZOLA OUT! QUICK!
[quote][p][bold]Doctor of Letters[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]femalehornet122[/bold] wrote: I tthink t would be sad to loose Zola. We are all in this together an together we must find the way forward. We over performed last year and this year we are suspect but it does not good to loose a good manager. We need to relook at how we are working rotgether and look at changes. we need to find a way through a 10 man defence because that is what they did today, just blocked us out. We also need ot concentrate on set pieces to do to others what is being done to us. I would hope we can all work together to resolve this without looking for Zola to go anywhere. It would be sad day[/p][/quote]A wise & patient contribution afloat in what's about to become a sea of effluence, I suspect. Well said.[/p][/quote]ZOLA OUT! QUICK! demerit

6:09pm Sun 15 Dec 13

KeithMercer says...

matey_from_brighton wrote:
JohnnyHornet wrote:
corbindallas wrote:
Zola is a good man and he will know what he needs to do, the Pozzo's are not known to keep managers aboard who are not producing the results, in fact their history shows very short shrift for some mangers and to that end I expect one way or another we will know some sort of outcome before next weekend. The Pozzo's came with a Premiership plan and looking at the set up they will know if that plan is failing because of managment or the players or both, next month will really be interesting in the January transfer window as I will then see the metal of our future, not because we need wholesale changes but we do need to sort out 2 key positions at least.
Personally, now he's free we should get Steve Clarke in as no 2, great coach but the juries out about being a manager, he know's Zola and the English game. And from the other stream, just one question, If we have a wealth of knowledge on the board and football, why has it taken so long to identify we need a second striker ?
can hardly see Steve Clarke wanting to go from Premiership manager to Championship No 2 - it took him long enough to get his shot at management in the first place. Likewise with Di Matteo he is now favourite for the WBA job so it would take a special sort of sales talk to convince him that he should manage in the Championship. I don't know what the answer is but I really cannot see that Holloway, Warnock etc. would have a hope in hell of getting us promoted with the structure we have in place at the moment so that said Di Matteo would be ideal but just seems a bit unlikely.
Why would Di Matteo go back to West Brom after the unfair treatment and sack he got last time ?
[quote][p][bold]matey_from_brighton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JohnnyHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]corbindallas[/bold] wrote: Zola is a good man and he will know what he needs to do, the Pozzo's are not known to keep managers aboard who are not producing the results, in fact their history shows very short shrift for some mangers and to that end I expect one way or another we will know some sort of outcome before next weekend. The Pozzo's came with a Premiership plan and looking at the set up they will know if that plan is failing because of managment or the players or both, next month will really be interesting in the January transfer window as I will then see the metal of our future, not because we need wholesale changes but we do need to sort out 2 key positions at least.[/p][/quote]Personally, now he's free we should get Steve Clarke in as no 2, great coach but the juries out about being a manager, he know's Zola and the English game. And from the other stream, just one question, If we have a wealth of knowledge on the board and football, why has it taken so long to identify we need a second striker ?[/p][/quote]can hardly see Steve Clarke wanting to go from Premiership manager to Championship No 2 - it took him long enough to get his shot at management in the first place. Likewise with Di Matteo he is now favourite for the WBA job so it would take a special sort of sales talk to convince him that he should manage in the Championship. I don't know what the answer is but I really cannot see that Holloway, Warnock etc. would have a hope in hell of getting us promoted with the structure we have in place at the moment so that said Di Matteo would be ideal but just seems a bit unlikely.[/p][/quote]Why would Di Matteo go back to West Brom after the unfair treatment and sack he got last time ? KeithMercer

6:11pm Sun 15 Dec 13

demerit says...

jaemae2 wrote:
Hornet Cornet wrote:
Right, GZ has to go. Utterly sick of the drivel spouted by numerous posters on the Wobbo site who contsantly slate me and those of us who have been saying for a period of time that GZ has to go. Those of you who used to slag me off,saying I was negatve and this and that, go and assess your level of reality and intelligence. Go and berate yourselves for being dim and prejudiced against people who write the truth.

Those of you who still think I am wrong, go and read what GZ is now saying and you will see that you've been living in this sort of twilight world where everything is rosey and nothing will spoil your enjoyment of it all.

It's dimwitted plonkers on this site who always back the manager, who always abuse us posters who write the truth, who refuse to take action when the club is in crisis, that make this site as worthless as it has become.

I challenge those if you who abused me and said I was negative, name-called and such, to mitigate your comments. Now continue spouting the mistruths that make your lives as pointless as they are.

Roger UK, DeMerit, etc, our beliefs and opinions have been justified. Unfortuntaley the Pozzos should have seen this a while back.

HC
The truth is you may have an IQ of 15
His comments since the game say it all. He admits he isn't the man for the job, doesn't know what's wrong and doesn't know what to do. What more do you want for god's sake? It's like arguing with someone about religion - no rationale at all.
[quote][p][bold]jaemae2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: Right, GZ has to go. Utterly sick of the drivel spouted by numerous posters on the Wobbo site who contsantly slate me and those of us who have been saying for a period of time that GZ has to go. Those of you who used to slag me off,saying I was negatve and this and that, go and assess your level of reality and intelligence. Go and berate yourselves for being dim and prejudiced against people who write the truth. Those of you who still think I am wrong, go and read what GZ is now saying and you will see that you've been living in this sort of twilight world where everything is rosey and nothing will spoil your enjoyment of it all. It's dimwitted plonkers on this site who always back the manager, who always abuse us posters who write the truth, who refuse to take action when the club is in crisis, that make this site as worthless as it has become. I challenge those if you who abused me and said I was negative, name-called and such, to mitigate your comments. Now continue spouting the mistruths that make your lives as pointless as they are. Roger UK, DeMerit, etc, our beliefs and opinions have been justified. Unfortuntaley the Pozzos should have seen this a while back. HC[/p][/quote]The truth is you may have an IQ of 15[/p][/quote]His comments since the game say it all. He admits he isn't the man for the job, doesn't know what's wrong and doesn't know what to do. What more do you want for god's sake? It's like arguing with someone about religion - no rationale at all. demerit

6:24pm Sun 15 Dec 13

Harry's Bar says...

Doctor of Letters wrote:
Roger: thank you for sharing your managerial omni-expertise with us small people. It's truly generous of you to grant us an insight into your exclusive access to reality. You must be very popular & successful, but I note that you retain a keen sense of humility, which is most inspiring.
Roger's certainly not one to hide his light under a bushel. Although I am impressed by his CV I don't fully understand why he needs to share it with us. He clearly fails to recognise that not all others are necessarily beer swilling rough necks, unable to think rationally, and only capable of hurling insults in a futile attempt to conceal their crushing sense of inferiority.
[quote][p][bold]Doctor of Letters[/bold] wrote: Roger: thank you for sharing your managerial omni-expertise with us small people. It's truly generous of you to grant us an insight into your exclusive access to reality. You must be very popular & successful, but I note that you retain a keen sense of humility, which is most inspiring.[/p][/quote]Roger's certainly not one to hide his light under a bushel. Although I am impressed by his CV I don't fully understand why he needs to share it with us. He clearly fails to recognise that not all others are necessarily beer swilling rough necks, unable to think rationally, and only capable of hurling insults in a futile attempt to conceal their crushing sense of inferiority. Harry's Bar

7:51pm Sun 15 Dec 13

surreyhorn says...

rogeruk wrote:
mellow yellow wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
Hornet Cornet wrote:
I'm building p to an almighty rant. How the f**k I have managed to keep quiet over the past 4-5 hours is beyond me.
Remember the crap I took from all those happy clappers? Today, they quote my ideas about Zola, when all they could do previously was insults. What can you do?

There is a certain group of people that are beyond logic, I didn't realize Watford have so many happy clappers. And 'we love the Pozzos - they can do no wrong' clappers. I told them many times; Pozzos are not Gods, they can screw up! You saw the abuse! I said nice men don’t make leaders, take Ferguson he didn't make friends with his players! And so on!

We both advocated six weeks ago Zola was not up to it! We could see week after week Zola was drowning, he should have asked for help then! It’s too late now! If Zola had been more honest about his situation he could still have had a future. He wasn't honest about Abdi’s injury either, leading fans to believe Abdi would be back in a few weeks, knowing Abdi’s diagnosis now, we will be lucky to see him this season , he may come back but it is touch and go!

Zola will go the way of Vialli, too much pride! Watford’s UK management and Pozzo son should have intervened earlier, they may be football savvy in Italy, and however, they still have a lot to learn about English football and English football culture! Sure there is some new quality in the team, but nothing like last season’s; , Vydra, Challobah Abdi and Zola’s No 2 have not been replaced! Could be the success of last season was in spite of Zola not because of him! Quite a few Duds have been sent from the Pozzo Bank of Players into the UK squad, which in my view is disrespectful to Watford and the fans!

Zola in my mind was finished after Wembley last year. I saw the signs, I have sufficient international experience in managing companies and individuals in four countries to recognize the symptoms.
Ok, Roger. That is the most balanced assessment you have provided, without your previous need for jingoistic war references and the like. It is hard to argue with much of what you've said, though your last sentence is overly smug and pompous.

There is a lot of talk about unrest behind the scenes, and of general dissatisfaction in certain sectors... But I personally have no knowledge of this so find conjecture pointless. However, maybe it is time for a change. If two people at the fans forum had their questions about Zola's number 2 sidestepped, for me that is just not acceptable. It is valid, as is the question of who calls the shots regarding player acquisition and the like.

Zola in or Zola out? It's not in our control, really, is it?!
The reason I wrote my last paragraph is to demonstrate I have international management experience! Management is management whether its football or politics! How many of the posters on here have that? I also speak four languages fluently Spanish, French, German and reasonable Russian, I know the attitude in the UK today is to glorify losers by saying ‘we are all winners’ claptrap and insult people who can do things they can't do. Look where that has got us as a country? This can clearly be seen on this site.

I am not questioning Zola's football knowledge, I question enormously Zola's management! I also question the Pozzo's management of the situation through both their UK set up and the attitude from Italy. If you can move past the personal insults and take off the rose tinted glasses, deal with reality, the majority of posters on here have no comprehension of what is going on combined with a slavish attitude of being grateful to the Pozzos for buying the club, that doesn't give the Pozzos carte blanche to do what they want! There will be a Watford fc after the Pozzos leave it may not be the same one, but it will be Watford fc.

Those of us who ‘happy clappers ‘constantly can only argue personal insults and not reason or intelligence, will see in a short period we know what we are saying, we were the same people who understood the Bassini situation, exposed it and took insults for it, you are probably the same bunch who trusted Bassini.

Even after we have been proven right the ‘happy clappers’ will not have the grace to admit it, carrying on their fantasy and self-denial.

We are not pleased in being proved right, ultimately we are true Watford supporters who want the best for our team but we also live with feet firmly planted on the ground in reality.
Really fed up with listening to your pseudo intellectual clap trap.You referring to your international management experience is absolutely pathetic and sums you up. I have also run many businesses and am quite happy to admit that I haven't got a clue where it has gone wrong. As a fan of over 30 years I still think that the current regime is the best we have ever had, and far better than a club our size deserves.
The Pozzos are the best chance for this club to move forward and for you to have a pop at them, and to say they have sold us 'duds' is an insult.
New stand. money , better players than most of us have ever seen.
This season has been a massive disappointment but when we win 5 games in a row you will be one of the first adding your plaudits.
Like everyone I have my doubts at the moment and really hope GZ is the man to take us forward. Like any young manager he made mistakes last season, but he got far more right than wrong.
It is the players who need to be looking at themselves.
If you want to advance the conversation next week at Ipswich then I will be there but I suspect it may be difficult with all your international commitments.
[quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mellow yellow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: I'm building p to an almighty rant. How the f**k I have managed to keep quiet over the past 4-5 hours is beyond me.[/p][/quote]Remember the crap I took from all those happy clappers? Today, they quote my ideas about Zola, when all they could do previously was insults. What can you do? There is a certain group of people that are beyond logic, I didn't realize Watford have so many happy clappers. And 'we love the Pozzos - they can do no wrong' clappers. I told them many times; Pozzos are not Gods, they can screw up! You saw the abuse! I said nice men don’t make leaders, take Ferguson he didn't make friends with his players! And so on! We both advocated six weeks ago Zola was not up to it! We could see week after week Zola was drowning, he should have asked for help then! It’s too late now! If Zola had been more honest about his situation he could still have had a future. He wasn't honest about Abdi’s injury either, leading fans to believe Abdi would be back in a few weeks, knowing Abdi’s diagnosis now, we will be lucky to see him this season , he may come back but it is touch and go! Zola will go the way of Vialli, too much pride! Watford’s UK management and Pozzo son should have intervened earlier, they may be football savvy in Italy, and however, they still have a lot to learn about English football and English football culture! Sure there is some new quality in the team, but nothing like last season’s; , Vydra, Challobah Abdi and Zola’s No 2 have not been replaced! Could be the success of last season was in spite of Zola not because of him! Quite a few Duds have been sent from the Pozzo Bank of Players into the UK squad, which in my view is disrespectful to Watford and the fans! Zola in my mind was finished after Wembley last year. I saw the signs, I have sufficient international experience in managing companies and individuals in four countries to recognize the symptoms.[/p][/quote]Ok, Roger. That is the most balanced assessment you have provided, without your previous need for jingoistic war references and the like. It is hard to argue with much of what you've said, though your last sentence is overly smug and pompous. There is a lot of talk about unrest behind the scenes, and of general dissatisfaction in certain sectors... But I personally have no knowledge of this so find conjecture pointless. However, maybe it is time for a change. If two people at the fans forum had their questions about Zola's number 2 sidestepped, for me that is just not acceptable. It is valid, as is the question of who calls the shots regarding player acquisition and the like. Zola in or Zola out? It's not in our control, really, is it?![/p][/quote]The reason I wrote my last paragraph is to demonstrate I have international management experience! Management is management whether its football or politics! How many of the posters on here have that? I also speak four languages fluently Spanish, French, German and reasonable Russian, I know the attitude in the UK today is to glorify losers by saying ‘we are all winners’ claptrap and insult people who can do things they can't do. Look where that has got us as a country? This can clearly be seen on this site. I am not questioning Zola's football knowledge, I question enormously Zola's management! I also question the Pozzo's management of the situation through both their UK set up and the attitude from Italy. If you can move past the personal insults and take off the rose tinted glasses, deal with reality, the majority of posters on here have no comprehension of what is going on combined with a slavish attitude of being grateful to the Pozzos for buying the club, that doesn't give the Pozzos carte blanche to do what they want! There will be a Watford fc after the Pozzos leave it may not be the same one, but it will be Watford fc. Those of us who ‘happy clappers ‘constantly can only argue personal insults and not reason or intelligence, will see in a short period we know what we are saying, we were the same people who understood the Bassini situation, exposed it and took insults for it, you are probably the same bunch who trusted Bassini. Even after we have been proven right the ‘happy clappers’ will not have the grace to admit it, carrying on their fantasy and self-denial. We are not pleased in being proved right, ultimately we are true Watford supporters who want the best for our team but we also live with feet firmly planted on the ground in reality.[/p][/quote]Really fed up with listening to your pseudo intellectual clap trap.You referring to your international management experience is absolutely pathetic and sums you up. I have also run many businesses and am quite happy to admit that I haven't got a clue where it has gone wrong. As a fan of over 30 years I still think that the current regime is the best we have ever had, and far better than a club our size deserves. The Pozzos are the best chance for this club to move forward and for you to have a pop at them, and to say they have sold us 'duds' is an insult. New stand. money , better players than most of us have ever seen. This season has been a massive disappointment but when we win 5 games in a row you will be one of the first adding your plaudits. Like everyone I have my doubts at the moment and really hope GZ is the man to take us forward. Like any young manager he made mistakes last season, but he got far more right than wrong. It is the players who need to be looking at themselves. If you want to advance the conversation next week at Ipswich then I will be there but I suspect it may be difficult with all your international commitments. surreyhorn

8:01pm Sun 15 Dec 13

Hornet Cornet says...

demerit wrote:
jaemae2 wrote:
Hornet Cornet wrote:
Right, GZ has to go. Utterly sick of the drivel spouted by numerous posters on the Wobbo site who contsantly slate me and those of us who have been saying for a period of time that GZ has to go. Those of you who used to slag me off,saying I was negatve and this and that, go and assess your level of reality and intelligence. Go and berate yourselves for being dim and prejudiced against people who write the truth.

Those of you who still think I am wrong, go and read what GZ is now saying and you will see that you've been living in this sort of twilight world where everything is rosey and nothing will spoil your enjoyment of it all.

It's dimwitted plonkers on this site who always back the manager, who always abuse us posters who write the truth, who refuse to take action when the club is in crisis, that make this site as worthless as it has become.

I challenge those if you who abused me and said I was negative, name-called and such, to mitigate your comments. Now continue spouting the mistruths that make your lives as pointless as they are.

Roger UK, DeMerit, etc, our beliefs and opinions have been justified. Unfortuntaley the Pozzos should have seen this a while back.

HC
The truth is you may have an IQ of 15
His comments since the game say it all. He admits he isn't the man for the job, doesn't know what's wrong and doesn't know what to do. What more do you want for god's sake? It's like arguing with someone about religion - no rationale at all.
GZ doesn't know what to do. Says it all really.

Bye
HC
[quote][p][bold]demerit[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jaemae2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: Right, GZ has to go. Utterly sick of the drivel spouted by numerous posters on the Wobbo site who contsantly slate me and those of us who have been saying for a period of time that GZ has to go. Those of you who used to slag me off,saying I was negatve and this and that, go and assess your level of reality and intelligence. Go and berate yourselves for being dim and prejudiced against people who write the truth. Those of you who still think I am wrong, go and read what GZ is now saying and you will see that you've been living in this sort of twilight world where everything is rosey and nothing will spoil your enjoyment of it all. It's dimwitted plonkers on this site who always back the manager, who always abuse us posters who write the truth, who refuse to take action when the club is in crisis, that make this site as worthless as it has become. I challenge those if you who abused me and said I was negative, name-called and such, to mitigate your comments. Now continue spouting the mistruths that make your lives as pointless as they are. Roger UK, DeMerit, etc, our beliefs and opinions have been justified. Unfortuntaley the Pozzos should have seen this a while back. HC[/p][/quote]The truth is you may have an IQ of 15[/p][/quote]His comments since the game say it all. He admits he isn't the man for the job, doesn't know what's wrong and doesn't know what to do. What more do you want for god's sake? It's like arguing with someone about religion - no rationale at all.[/p][/quote]GZ doesn't know what to do. Says it all really. Bye HC Hornet Cornet

8:07pm Sun 15 Dec 13

Willow23 says...

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G Willow23

8:09pm Sun 15 Dec 13

Willow23 says...

surreyhorn wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
mellow yellow wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
Hornet Cornet wrote:
I'm building p to an almighty rant. How the f**k I have managed to keep quiet over the past 4-5 hours is beyond me.
Remember the crap I took from all those happy clappers? Today, they quote my ideas about Zola, when all they could do previously was insults. What can you do?

There is a certain group of people that are beyond logic, I didn't realize Watford have so many happy clappers. And 'we love the Pozzos - they can do no wrong' clappers. I told them many times; Pozzos are not Gods, they can screw up! You saw the abuse! I said nice men don’t make leaders, take Ferguson he didn't make friends with his players! And so on!

We both advocated six weeks ago Zola was not up to it! We could see week after week Zola was drowning, he should have asked for help then! It’s too late now! If Zola had been more honest about his situation he could still have had a future. He wasn't honest about Abdi’s injury either, leading fans to believe Abdi would be back in a few weeks, knowing Abdi’s diagnosis now, we will be lucky to see him this season , he may come back but it is touch and go!

Zola will go the way of Vialli, too much pride! Watford’s UK management and Pozzo son should have intervened earlier, they may be football savvy in Italy, and however, they still have a lot to learn about English football and English football culture! Sure there is some new quality in the team, but nothing like last season’s; , Vydra, Challobah Abdi and Zola’s No 2 have not been replaced! Could be the success of last season was in spite of Zola not because of him! Quite a few Duds have been sent from the Pozzo Bank of Players into the UK squad, which in my view is disrespectful to Watford and the fans!

Zola in my mind was finished after Wembley last year. I saw the signs, I have sufficient international experience in managing companies and individuals in four countries to recognize the symptoms.
Ok, Roger. That is the most balanced assessment you have provided, without your previous need for jingoistic war references and the like. It is hard to argue with much of what you've said, though your last sentence is overly smug and pompous.

There is a lot of talk about unrest behind the scenes, and of general dissatisfaction in certain sectors... But I personally have no knowledge of this so find conjecture pointless. However, maybe it is time for a change. If two people at the fans forum had their questions about Zola's number 2 sidestepped, for me that is just not acceptable. It is valid, as is the question of who calls the shots regarding player acquisition and the like.

Zola in or Zola out? It's not in our control, really, is it?!
The reason I wrote my last paragraph is to demonstrate I have international management experience! Management is management whether its football or politics! How many of the posters on here have that? I also speak four languages fluently Spanish, French, German and reasonable Russian, I know the attitude in the UK today is to glorify losers by saying ‘we are all winners’ claptrap and insult people who can do things they can't do. Look where that has got us as a country? This can clearly be seen on this site.

I am not questioning Zola's football knowledge, I question enormously Zola's management! I also question the Pozzo's management of the situation through both their UK set up and the attitude from Italy. If you can move past the personal insults and take off the rose tinted glasses, deal with reality, the majority of posters on here have no comprehension of what is going on combined with a slavish attitude of being grateful to the Pozzos for buying the club, that doesn't give the Pozzos carte blanche to do what they want! There will be a Watford fc after the Pozzos leave it may not be the same one, but it will be Watford fc.

Those of us who ‘happy clappers ‘constantly can only argue personal insults and not reason or intelligence, will see in a short period we know what we are saying, we were the same people who understood the Bassini situation, exposed it and took insults for it, you are probably the same bunch who trusted Bassini.

Even after we have been proven right the ‘happy clappers’ will not have the grace to admit it, carrying on their fantasy and self-denial.

We are not pleased in being proved right, ultimately we are true Watford supporters who want the best for our team but we also live with feet firmly planted on the ground in reality.
Really fed up with listening to your pseudo intellectual clap trap.You referring to your international management experience is absolutely pathetic and sums you up. I have also run many businesses and am quite happy to admit that I haven't got a clue where it has gone wrong. As a fan of over 30 years I still think that the current regime is the best we have ever had, and far better than a club our size deserves.
The Pozzos are the best chance for this club to move forward and for you to have a pop at them, and to say they have sold us 'duds' is an insult.
New stand. money , better players than most of us have ever seen.
This season has been a massive disappointment but when we win 5 games in a row you will be one of the first adding your plaudits.
Like everyone I have my doubts at the moment and really hope GZ is the man to take us forward. Like any young manager he made mistakes last season, but he got far more right than wrong.
It is the players who need to be looking at themselves.
If you want to advance the conversation next week at Ipswich then I will be there but I suspect it may be difficult with all your international commitments.
When exactly are these five wins in a row gonna come???? I sat through that dross yesterday and can honestly say we could still be playing now and not have scored
[quote][p][bold]surreyhorn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mellow yellow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: I'm building p to an almighty rant. How the f**k I have managed to keep quiet over the past 4-5 hours is beyond me.[/p][/quote]Remember the crap I took from all those happy clappers? Today, they quote my ideas about Zola, when all they could do previously was insults. What can you do? There is a certain group of people that are beyond logic, I didn't realize Watford have so many happy clappers. And 'we love the Pozzos - they can do no wrong' clappers. I told them many times; Pozzos are not Gods, they can screw up! You saw the abuse! I said nice men don’t make leaders, take Ferguson he didn't make friends with his players! And so on! We both advocated six weeks ago Zola was not up to it! We could see week after week Zola was drowning, he should have asked for help then! It’s too late now! If Zola had been more honest about his situation he could still have had a future. He wasn't honest about Abdi’s injury either, leading fans to believe Abdi would be back in a few weeks, knowing Abdi’s diagnosis now, we will be lucky to see him this season , he may come back but it is touch and go! Zola will go the way of Vialli, too much pride! Watford’s UK management and Pozzo son should have intervened earlier, they may be football savvy in Italy, and however, they still have a lot to learn about English football and English football culture! Sure there is some new quality in the team, but nothing like last season’s; , Vydra, Challobah Abdi and Zola’s No 2 have not been replaced! Could be the success of last season was in spite of Zola not because of him! Quite a few Duds have been sent from the Pozzo Bank of Players into the UK squad, which in my view is disrespectful to Watford and the fans! Zola in my mind was finished after Wembley last year. I saw the signs, I have sufficient international experience in managing companies and individuals in four countries to recognize the symptoms.[/p][/quote]Ok, Roger. That is the most balanced assessment you have provided, without your previous need for jingoistic war references and the like. It is hard to argue with much of what you've said, though your last sentence is overly smug and pompous. There is a lot of talk about unrest behind the scenes, and of general dissatisfaction in certain sectors... But I personally have no knowledge of this so find conjecture pointless. However, maybe it is time for a change. If two people at the fans forum had their questions about Zola's number 2 sidestepped, for me that is just not acceptable. It is valid, as is the question of who calls the shots regarding player acquisition and the like. Zola in or Zola out? It's not in our control, really, is it?![/p][/quote]The reason I wrote my last paragraph is to demonstrate I have international management experience! Management is management whether its football or politics! How many of the posters on here have that? I also speak four languages fluently Spanish, French, German and reasonable Russian, I know the attitude in the UK today is to glorify losers by saying ‘we are all winners’ claptrap and insult people who can do things they can't do. Look where that has got us as a country? This can clearly be seen on this site. I am not questioning Zola's football knowledge, I question enormously Zola's management! I also question the Pozzo's management of the situation through both their UK set up and the attitude from Italy. If you can move past the personal insults and take off the rose tinted glasses, deal with reality, the majority of posters on here have no comprehension of what is going on combined with a slavish attitude of being grateful to the Pozzos for buying the club, that doesn't give the Pozzos carte blanche to do what they want! There will be a Watford fc after the Pozzos leave it may not be the same one, but it will be Watford fc. Those of us who ‘happy clappers ‘constantly can only argue personal insults and not reason or intelligence, will see in a short period we know what we are saying, we were the same people who understood the Bassini situation, exposed it and took insults for it, you are probably the same bunch who trusted Bassini. Even after we have been proven right the ‘happy clappers’ will not have the grace to admit it, carrying on their fantasy and self-denial. We are not pleased in being proved right, ultimately we are true Watford supporters who want the best for our team but we also live with feet firmly planted on the ground in reality.[/p][/quote]Really fed up with listening to your pseudo intellectual clap trap.You referring to your international management experience is absolutely pathetic and sums you up. I have also run many businesses and am quite happy to admit that I haven't got a clue where it has gone wrong. As a fan of over 30 years I still think that the current regime is the best we have ever had, and far better than a club our size deserves. The Pozzos are the best chance for this club to move forward and for you to have a pop at them, and to say they have sold us 'duds' is an insult. New stand. money , better players than most of us have ever seen. This season has been a massive disappointment but when we win 5 games in a row you will be one of the first adding your plaudits. Like everyone I have my doubts at the moment and really hope GZ is the man to take us forward. Like any young manager he made mistakes last season, but he got far more right than wrong. It is the players who need to be looking at themselves. If you want to advance the conversation next week at Ipswich then I will be there but I suspect it may be difficult with all your international commitments.[/p][/quote]When exactly are these five wins in a row gonna come???? I sat through that dross yesterday and can honestly say we could still be playing now and not have scored Willow23

8:11pm Sun 15 Dec 13

chitster says...

I have and others have said in the past that we are missing the two coaches that left last season only to be replaced by one of Zolas mates. we must remember that it is not just Zola but also Nani and Duxbury ( as a unit sacked by West Ham) . If like many other clubs with this sort of recent results the loss of the manager would be inevitable but because we have the other two it is not likely. Normally when a manager goes the assistant takes over on a temporary charge , does anyone want to see this, i don't think so. we are stuck with this regime until next year at least.
I have and others have said in the past that we are missing the two coaches that left last season only to be replaced by one of Zolas mates. we must remember that it is not just Zola but also Nani and Duxbury ( as a unit sacked by West Ham) . If like many other clubs with this sort of recent results the loss of the manager would be inevitable but because we have the other two it is not likely. Normally when a manager goes the assistant takes over on a temporary charge , does anyone want to see this, i don't think so. we are stuck with this regime until next year at least. chitster

8:48pm Sun 15 Dec 13

Hornet Cornet says...

Willow23 wrote:
surreyhorn wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
mellow yellow wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
Hornet Cornet wrote:
I'm building p to an almighty rant. How the f**k I have managed to keep quiet over the past 4-5 hours is beyond me.
Remember the crap I took from all those happy clappers? Today, they quote my ideas about Zola, when all they could do previously was insults. What can you do?

There is a certain group of people that are beyond logic, I didn't realize Watford have so many happy clappers. And 'we love the Pozzos - they can do no wrong' clappers. I told them many times; Pozzos are not Gods, they can screw up! You saw the abuse! I said nice men don’t make leaders, take Ferguson he didn't make friends with his players! And so on!

We both advocated six weeks ago Zola was not up to it! We could see week after week Zola was drowning, he should have asked for help then! It’s too late now! If Zola had been more honest about his situation he could still have had a future. He wasn't honest about Abdi’s injury either, leading fans to believe Abdi would be back in a few weeks, knowing Abdi’s diagnosis now, we will be lucky to see him this season , he may come back but it is touch and go!

Zola will go the way of Vialli, too much pride! Watford’s UK management and Pozzo son should have intervened earlier, they may be football savvy in Italy, and however, they still have a lot to learn about English football and English football culture! Sure there is some new quality in the team, but nothing like last season’s; , Vydra, Challobah Abdi and Zola’s No 2 have not been replaced! Could be the success of last season was in spite of Zola not because of him! Quite a few Duds have been sent from the Pozzo Bank of Players into the UK squad, which in my view is disrespectful to Watford and the fans!

Zola in my mind was finished after Wembley last year. I saw the signs, I have sufficient international experience in managing companies and individuals in four countries to recognize the symptoms.
Ok, Roger. That is the most balanced assessment you have provided, without your previous need for jingoistic war references and the like. It is hard to argue with much of what you've said, though your last sentence is overly smug and pompous.

There is a lot of talk about unrest behind the scenes, and of general dissatisfaction in certain sectors... But I personally have no knowledge of this so find conjecture pointless. However, maybe it is time for a change. If two people at the fans forum had their questions about Zola's number 2 sidestepped, for me that is just not acceptable. It is valid, as is the question of who calls the shots regarding player acquisition and the like.

Zola in or Zola out? It's not in our control, really, is it?!
The reason I wrote my last paragraph is to demonstrate I have international management experience! Management is management whether its football or politics! How many of the posters on here have that? I also speak four languages fluently Spanish, French, German and reasonable Russian, I know the attitude in the UK today is to glorify losers by saying ‘we are all winners’ claptrap and insult people who can do things they can't do. Look where that has got us as a country? This can clearly be seen on this site.

I am not questioning Zola's football knowledge, I question enormously Zola's management! I also question the Pozzo's management of the situation through both their UK set up and the attitude from Italy. If you can move past the personal insults and take off the rose tinted glasses, deal with reality, the majority of posters on here have no comprehension of what is going on combined with a slavish attitude of being grateful to the Pozzos for buying the club, that doesn't give the Pozzos carte blanche to do what they want! There will be a Watford fc after the Pozzos leave it may not be the same one, but it will be Watford fc.

Those of us who ‘happy clappers ‘constantly can only argue personal insults and not reason or intelligence, will see in a short period we know what we are saying, we were the same people who understood the Bassini situation, exposed it and took insults for it, you are probably the same bunch who trusted Bassini.

Even after we have been proven right the ‘happy clappers’ will not have the grace to admit it, carrying on their fantasy and self-denial.

We are not pleased in being proved right, ultimately we are true Watford supporters who want the best for our team but we also live with feet firmly planted on the ground in reality.
Really fed up with listening to your pseudo intellectual clap trap.You referring to your international management experience is absolutely pathetic and sums you up. I have also run many businesses and am quite happy to admit that I haven't got a clue where it has gone wrong. As a fan of over 30 years I still think that the current regime is the best we have ever had, and far better than a club our size deserves.
The Pozzos are the best chance for this club to move forward and for you to have a pop at them, and to say they have sold us 'duds' is an insult.
New stand. money , better players than most of us have ever seen.
This season has been a massive disappointment but when we win 5 games in a row you will be one of the first adding your plaudits.
Like everyone I have my doubts at the moment and really hope GZ is the man to take us forward. Like any young manager he made mistakes last season, but he got far more right than wrong.
It is the players who need to be looking at themselves.
If you want to advance the conversation next week at Ipswich then I will be there but I suspect it may be difficult with all your international commitments.
When exactly are these five wins in a row gonna come???? I sat through that dross yesterday and can honestly say we could still be playing now and not have scored
Thank you, the voice of reason finally emerges. Someone who was at the game (unlike me) that speaks the truth.

How GZ is still employed by WFC, I'll never know. If I was that crap at my job, I would've been booted out a long time ago, and without a fat payout too.

Me
[quote][p][bold]Willow23[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]surreyhorn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mellow yellow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: I'm building p to an almighty rant. How the f**k I have managed to keep quiet over the past 4-5 hours is beyond me.[/p][/quote]Remember the crap I took from all those happy clappers? Today, they quote my ideas about Zola, when all they could do previously was insults. What can you do? There is a certain group of people that are beyond logic, I didn't realize Watford have so many happy clappers. And 'we love the Pozzos - they can do no wrong' clappers. I told them many times; Pozzos are not Gods, they can screw up! You saw the abuse! I said nice men don’t make leaders, take Ferguson he didn't make friends with his players! And so on! We both advocated six weeks ago Zola was not up to it! We could see week after week Zola was drowning, he should have asked for help then! It’s too late now! If Zola had been more honest about his situation he could still have had a future. He wasn't honest about Abdi’s injury either, leading fans to believe Abdi would be back in a few weeks, knowing Abdi’s diagnosis now, we will be lucky to see him this season , he may come back but it is touch and go! Zola will go the way of Vialli, too much pride! Watford’s UK management and Pozzo son should have intervened earlier, they may be football savvy in Italy, and however, they still have a lot to learn about English football and English football culture! Sure there is some new quality in the team, but nothing like last season’s; , Vydra, Challobah Abdi and Zola’s No 2 have not been replaced! Could be the success of last season was in spite of Zola not because of him! Quite a few Duds have been sent from the Pozzo Bank of Players into the UK squad, which in my view is disrespectful to Watford and the fans! Zola in my mind was finished after Wembley last year. I saw the signs, I have sufficient international experience in managing companies and individuals in four countries to recognize the symptoms.[/p][/quote]Ok, Roger. That is the most balanced assessment you have provided, without your previous need for jingoistic war references and the like. It is hard to argue with much of what you've said, though your last sentence is overly smug and pompous. There is a lot of talk about unrest behind the scenes, and of general dissatisfaction in certain sectors... But I personally have no knowledge of this so find conjecture pointless. However, maybe it is time for a change. If two people at the fans forum had their questions about Zola's number 2 sidestepped, for me that is just not acceptable. It is valid, as is the question of who calls the shots regarding player acquisition and the like. Zola in or Zola out? It's not in our control, really, is it?![/p][/quote]The reason I wrote my last paragraph is to demonstrate I have international management experience! Management is management whether its football or politics! How many of the posters on here have that? I also speak four languages fluently Spanish, French, German and reasonable Russian, I know the attitude in the UK today is to glorify losers by saying ‘we are all winners’ claptrap and insult people who can do things they can't do. Look where that has got us as a country? This can clearly be seen on this site. I am not questioning Zola's football knowledge, I question enormously Zola's management! I also question the Pozzo's management of the situation through both their UK set up and the attitude from Italy. If you can move past the personal insults and take off the rose tinted glasses, deal with reality, the majority of posters on here have no comprehension of what is going on combined with a slavish attitude of being grateful to the Pozzos for buying the club, that doesn't give the Pozzos carte blanche to do what they want! There will be a Watford fc after the Pozzos leave it may not be the same one, but it will be Watford fc. Those of us who ‘happy clappers ‘constantly can only argue personal insults and not reason or intelligence, will see in a short period we know what we are saying, we were the same people who understood the Bassini situation, exposed it and took insults for it, you are probably the same bunch who trusted Bassini. Even after we have been proven right the ‘happy clappers’ will not have the grace to admit it, carrying on their fantasy and self-denial. We are not pleased in being proved right, ultimately we are true Watford supporters who want the best for our team but we also live with feet firmly planted on the ground in reality.[/p][/quote]Really fed up with listening to your pseudo intellectual clap trap.You referring to your international management experience is absolutely pathetic and sums you up. I have also run many businesses and am quite happy to admit that I haven't got a clue where it has gone wrong. As a fan of over 30 years I still think that the current regime is the best we have ever had, and far better than a club our size deserves. The Pozzos are the best chance for this club to move forward and for you to have a pop at them, and to say they have sold us 'duds' is an insult. New stand. money , better players than most of us have ever seen. This season has been a massive disappointment but when we win 5 games in a row you will be one of the first adding your plaudits. Like everyone I have my doubts at the moment and really hope GZ is the man to take us forward. Like any young manager he made mistakes last season, but he got far more right than wrong. It is the players who need to be looking at themselves. If you want to advance the conversation next week at Ipswich then I will be there but I suspect it may be difficult with all your international commitments.[/p][/quote]When exactly are these five wins in a row gonna come???? I sat through that dross yesterday and can honestly say we could still be playing now and not have scored[/p][/quote]Thank you, the voice of reason finally emerges. Someone who was at the game (unlike me) that speaks the truth. How GZ is still employed by WFC, I'll never know. If I was that crap at my job, I would've been booted out a long time ago, and without a fat payout too. Me Hornet Cornet

9:38pm Sun 15 Dec 13

Willow23 says...

Hornet Cornet wrote:
Willow23 wrote:
surreyhorn wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
mellow yellow wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
Hornet Cornet wrote:
I'm building p to an almighty rant. How the f**k I have managed to keep quiet over the past 4-5 hours is beyond me.
Remember the crap I took from all those happy clappers? Today, they quote my ideas about Zola, when all they could do previously was insults. What can you do?

There is a certain group of people that are beyond logic, I didn't realize Watford have so many happy clappers. And 'we love the Pozzos - they can do no wrong' clappers. I told them many times; Pozzos are not Gods, they can screw up! You saw the abuse! I said nice men don’t make leaders, take Ferguson he didn't make friends with his players! And so on!

We both advocated six weeks ago Zola was not up to it! We could see week after week Zola was drowning, he should have asked for help then! It’s too late now! If Zola had been more honest about his situation he could still have had a future. He wasn't honest about Abdi’s injury either, leading fans to believe Abdi would be back in a few weeks, knowing Abdi’s diagnosis now, we will be lucky to see him this season , he may come back but it is touch and go!

Zola will go the way of Vialli, too much pride! Watford’s UK management and Pozzo son should have intervened earlier, they may be football savvy in Italy, and however, they still have a lot to learn about English football and English football culture! Sure there is some new quality in the team, but nothing like last season’s; , Vydra, Challobah Abdi and Zola’s No 2 have not been replaced! Could be the success of last season was in spite of Zola not because of him! Quite a few Duds have been sent from the Pozzo Bank of Players into the UK squad, which in my view is disrespectful to Watford and the fans!

Zola in my mind was finished after Wembley last year. I saw the signs, I have sufficient international experience in managing companies and individuals in four countries to recognize the symptoms.
Ok, Roger. That is the most balanced assessment you have provided, without your previous need for jingoistic war references and the like. It is hard to argue with much of what you've said, though your last sentence is overly smug and pompous.

There is a lot of talk about unrest behind the scenes, and of general dissatisfaction in certain sectors... But I personally have no knowledge of this so find conjecture pointless. However, maybe it is time for a change. If two people at the fans forum had their questions about Zola's number 2 sidestepped, for me that is just not acceptable. It is valid, as is the question of who calls the shots regarding player acquisition and the like.

Zola in or Zola out? It's not in our control, really, is it?!
The reason I wrote my last paragraph is to demonstrate I have international management experience! Management is management whether its football or politics! How many of the posters on here have that? I also speak four languages fluently Spanish, French, German and reasonable Russian, I know the attitude in the UK today is to glorify losers by saying ‘we are all winners’ claptrap and insult people who can do things they can't do. Look where that has got us as a country? This can clearly be seen on this site.

I am not questioning Zola's football knowledge, I question enormously Zola's management! I also question the Pozzo's management of the situation through both their UK set up and the attitude from Italy. If you can move past the personal insults and take off the rose tinted glasses, deal with reality, the majority of posters on here have no comprehension of what is going on combined with a slavish attitude of being grateful to the Pozzos for buying the club, that doesn't give the Pozzos carte blanche to do what they want! There will be a Watford fc after the Pozzos leave it may not be the same one, but it will be Watford fc.

Those of us who ‘happy clappers ‘constantly can only argue personal insults and not reason or intelligence, will see in a short period we know what we are saying, we were the same people who understood the Bassini situation, exposed it and took insults for it, you are probably the same bunch who trusted Bassini.

Even after we have been proven right the ‘happy clappers’ will not have the grace to admit it, carrying on their fantasy and self-denial.

We are not pleased in being proved right, ultimately we are true Watford supporters who want the best for our team but we also live with feet firmly planted on the ground in reality.
Really fed up with listening to your pseudo intellectual clap trap.You referring to your international management experience is absolutely pathetic and sums you up. I have also run many businesses and am quite happy to admit that I haven't got a clue where it has gone wrong. As a fan of over 30 years I still think that the current regime is the best we have ever had, and far better than a club our size deserves.
The Pozzos are the best chance for this club to move forward and for you to have a pop at them, and to say they have sold us 'duds' is an insult.
New stand. money , better players than most of us have ever seen.
This season has been a massive disappointment but when we win 5 games in a row you will be one of the first adding your plaudits.
Like everyone I have my doubts at the moment and really hope GZ is the man to take us forward. Like any young manager he made mistakes last season, but he got far more right than wrong.
It is the players who need to be looking at themselves.
If you want to advance the conversation next week at Ipswich then I will be there but I suspect it may be difficult with all your international commitments.
When exactly are these five wins in a row gonna come???? I sat through that dross yesterday and can honestly say we could still be playing now and not have scored
Thank you, the voice of reason finally emerges. Someone who was at the game (unlike me) that speaks the truth.

How GZ is still employed by WFC, I'll never know. If I was that crap at my job, I would've been booted out a long time ago, and without a fat payout too.

Me
You are lucky you didn't go.... Not a single shot on target and probably only about two off target the whole second half. But according to some on here "we was all over them" they looked like lost sheep out there simple as that.
Big changes needed or we will go down anyone who thinks otherwise is not looking at things objectively. The facts are there if you wish to believe them or not.
[quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Willow23[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]surreyhorn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mellow yellow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: I'm building p to an almighty rant. How the f**k I have managed to keep quiet over the past 4-5 hours is beyond me.[/p][/quote]Remember the crap I took from all those happy clappers? Today, they quote my ideas about Zola, when all they could do previously was insults. What can you do? There is a certain group of people that are beyond logic, I didn't realize Watford have so many happy clappers. And 'we love the Pozzos - they can do no wrong' clappers. I told them many times; Pozzos are not Gods, they can screw up! You saw the abuse! I said nice men don’t make leaders, take Ferguson he didn't make friends with his players! And so on! We both advocated six weeks ago Zola was not up to it! We could see week after week Zola was drowning, he should have asked for help then! It’s too late now! If Zola had been more honest about his situation he could still have had a future. He wasn't honest about Abdi’s injury either, leading fans to believe Abdi would be back in a few weeks, knowing Abdi’s diagnosis now, we will be lucky to see him this season , he may come back but it is touch and go! Zola will go the way of Vialli, too much pride! Watford’s UK management and Pozzo son should have intervened earlier, they may be football savvy in Italy, and however, they still have a lot to learn about English football and English football culture! Sure there is some new quality in the team, but nothing like last season’s; , Vydra, Challobah Abdi and Zola’s No 2 have not been replaced! Could be the success of last season was in spite of Zola not because of him! Quite a few Duds have been sent from the Pozzo Bank of Players into the UK squad, which in my view is disrespectful to Watford and the fans! Zola in my mind was finished after Wembley last year. I saw the signs, I have sufficient international experience in managing companies and individuals in four countries to recognize the symptoms.[/p][/quote]Ok, Roger. That is the most balanced assessment you have provided, without your previous need for jingoistic war references and the like. It is hard to argue with much of what you've said, though your last sentence is overly smug and pompous. There is a lot of talk about unrest behind the scenes, and of general dissatisfaction in certain sectors... But I personally have no knowledge of this so find conjecture pointless. However, maybe it is time for a change. If two people at the fans forum had their questions about Zola's number 2 sidestepped, for me that is just not acceptable. It is valid, as is the question of who calls the shots regarding player acquisition and the like. Zola in or Zola out? It's not in our control, really, is it?![/p][/quote]The reason I wrote my last paragraph is to demonstrate I have international management experience! Management is management whether its football or politics! How many of the posters on here have that? I also speak four languages fluently Spanish, French, German and reasonable Russian, I know the attitude in the UK today is to glorify losers by saying ‘we are all winners’ claptrap and insult people who can do things they can't do. Look where that has got us as a country? This can clearly be seen on this site. I am not questioning Zola's football knowledge, I question enormously Zola's management! I also question the Pozzo's management of the situation through both their UK set up and the attitude from Italy. If you can move past the personal insults and take off the rose tinted glasses, deal with reality, the majority of posters on here have no comprehension of what is going on combined with a slavish attitude of being grateful to the Pozzos for buying the club, that doesn't give the Pozzos carte blanche to do what they want! There will be a Watford fc after the Pozzos leave it may not be the same one, but it will be Watford fc. Those of us who ‘happy clappers ‘constantly can only argue personal insults and not reason or intelligence, will see in a short period we know what we are saying, we were the same people who understood the Bassini situation, exposed it and took insults for it, you are probably the same bunch who trusted Bassini. Even after we have been proven right the ‘happy clappers’ will not have the grace to admit it, carrying on their fantasy and self-denial. We are not pleased in being proved right, ultimately we are true Watford supporters who want the best for our team but we also live with feet firmly planted on the ground in reality.[/p][/quote]Really fed up with listening to your pseudo intellectual clap trap.You referring to your international management experience is absolutely pathetic and sums you up. I have also run many businesses and am quite happy to admit that I haven't got a clue where it has gone wrong. As a fan of over 30 years I still think that the current regime is the best we have ever had, and far better than a club our size deserves. The Pozzos are the best chance for this club to move forward and for you to have a pop at them, and to say they have sold us 'duds' is an insult. New stand. money , better players than most of us have ever seen. This season has been a massive disappointment but when we win 5 games in a row you will be one of the first adding your plaudits. Like everyone I have my doubts at the moment and really hope GZ is the man to take us forward. Like any young manager he made mistakes last season, but he got far more right than wrong. It is the players who need to be looking at themselves. If you want to advance the conversation next week at Ipswich then I will be there but I suspect it may be difficult with all your international commitments.[/p][/quote]When exactly are these five wins in a row gonna come???? I sat through that dross yesterday and can honestly say we could still be playing now and not have scored[/p][/quote]Thank you, the voice of reason finally emerges. Someone who was at the game (unlike me) that speaks the truth. How GZ is still employed by WFC, I'll never know. If I was that crap at my job, I would've been booted out a long time ago, and without a fat payout too. Me[/p][/quote]You are lucky you didn't go.... Not a single shot on target and probably only about two off target the whole second half. But according to some on here "we was all over them" they looked like lost sheep out there simple as that. Big changes needed or we will go down anyone who thinks otherwise is not looking at things objectively. The facts are there if you wish to believe them or not. Willow23

9:57pm Sun 15 Dec 13

Hornet Cornet says...

Willow23 wrote:
Hornet Cornet wrote:
Willow23 wrote:
surreyhorn wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
mellow yellow wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
Hornet Cornet wrote:
I'm building p to an almighty rant. How the f**k I have managed to keep quiet over the past 4-5 hours is beyond me.
Remember the crap I took from all those happy clappers? Today, they quote my ideas about Zola, when all they could do previously was insults. What can you do?

There is a certain group of people that are beyond logic, I didn't realize Watford have so many happy clappers. And 'we love the Pozzos - they can do no wrong' clappers. I told them many times; Pozzos are not Gods, they can screw up! You saw the abuse! I said nice men don’t make leaders, take Ferguson he didn't make friends with his players! And so on!

We both advocated six weeks ago Zola was not up to it! We could see week after week Zola was drowning, he should have asked for help then! It’s too late now! If Zola had been more honest about his situation he could still have had a future. He wasn't honest about Abdi’s injury either, leading fans to believe Abdi would be back in a few weeks, knowing Abdi’s diagnosis now, we will be lucky to see him this season , he may come back but it is touch and go!

Zola will go the way of Vialli, too much pride! Watford’s UK management and Pozzo son should have intervened earlier, they may be football savvy in Italy, and however, they still have a lot to learn about English football and English football culture! Sure there is some new quality in the team, but nothing like last season’s; , Vydra, Challobah Abdi and Zola’s No 2 have not been replaced! Could be the success of last season was in spite of Zola not because of him! Quite a few Duds have been sent from the Pozzo Bank of Players into the UK squad, which in my view is disrespectful to Watford and the fans!

Zola in my mind was finished after Wembley last year. I saw the signs, I have sufficient international experience in managing companies and individuals in four countries to recognize the symptoms.
Ok, Roger. That is the most balanced assessment you have provided, without your previous need for jingoistic war references and the like. It is hard to argue with much of what you've said, though your last sentence is overly smug and pompous.

There is a lot of talk about unrest behind the scenes, and of general dissatisfaction in certain sectors... But I personally have no knowledge of this so find conjecture pointless. However, maybe it is time for a change. If two people at the fans forum had their questions about Zola's number 2 sidestepped, for me that is just not acceptable. It is valid, as is the question of who calls the shots regarding player acquisition and the like.

Zola in or Zola out? It's not in our control, really, is it?!
The reason I wrote my last paragraph is to demonstrate I have international management experience! Management is management whether its football or politics! How many of the posters on here have that? I also speak four languages fluently Spanish, French, German and reasonable Russian, I know the attitude in the UK today is to glorify losers by saying ‘we are all winners’ claptrap and insult people who can do things they can't do. Look where that has got us as a country? This can clearly be seen on this site.

I am not questioning Zola's football knowledge, I question enormously Zola's management! I also question the Pozzo's management of the situation through both their UK set up and the attitude from Italy. If you can move past the personal insults and take off the rose tinted glasses, deal with reality, the majority of posters on here have no comprehension of what is going on combined with a slavish attitude of being grateful to the Pozzos for buying the club, that doesn't give the Pozzos carte blanche to do what they want! There will be a Watford fc after the Pozzos leave it may not be the same one, but it will be Watford fc.

Those of us who ‘happy clappers ‘constantly can only argue personal insults and not reason or intelligence, will see in a short period we know what we are saying, we were the same people who understood the Bassini situation, exposed it and took insults for it, you are probably the same bunch who trusted Bassini.

Even after we have been proven right the ‘happy clappers’ will not have the grace to admit it, carrying on their fantasy and self-denial.

We are not pleased in being proved right, ultimately we are true Watford supporters who want the best for our team but we also live with feet firmly planted on the ground in reality.
Really fed up with listening to your pseudo intellectual clap trap.You referring to your international management experience is absolutely pathetic and sums you up. I have also run many businesses and am quite happy to admit that I haven't got a clue where it has gone wrong. As a fan of over 30 years I still think that the current regime is the best we have ever had, and far better than a club our size deserves.
The Pozzos are the best chance for this club to move forward and for you to have a pop at them, and to say they have sold us 'duds' is an insult.
New stand. money , better players than most of us have ever seen.
This season has been a massive disappointment but when we win 5 games in a row you will be one of the first adding your plaudits.
Like everyone I have my doubts at the moment and really hope GZ is the man to take us forward. Like any young manager he made mistakes last season, but he got far more right than wrong.
It is the players who need to be looking at themselves.
If you want to advance the conversation next week at Ipswich then I will be there but I suspect it may be difficult with all your international commitments.
When exactly are these five wins in a row gonna come???? I sat through that dross yesterday and can honestly say we could still be playing now and not have scored
Thank you, the voice of reason finally emerges. Someone who was at the game (unlike me) that speaks the truth.

How GZ is still employed by WFC, I'll never know. If I was that crap at my job, I would've been booted out a long time ago, and without a fat payout too.

Me
You are lucky you didn't go.... Not a single shot on target and probably only about two off target the whole second half. But according to some on here "we was all over them" they looked like lost sheep out there simple as that.
Big changes needed or we will go down anyone who thinks otherwise is not looking at things objectively. The facts are there if you wish to believe them or not.
It's so refreshing for the few of us that have seen this coming for many months. What disappoints me, as you said, is that some people think we're better than we are and have better players than anyone else. Like you said, objective evidence suggests otherwise.

HC
[quote][p][bold]Willow23[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Willow23[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]surreyhorn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mellow yellow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: I'm building p to an almighty rant. How the f**k I have managed to keep quiet over the past 4-5 hours is beyond me.[/p][/quote]Remember the crap I took from all those happy clappers? Today, they quote my ideas about Zola, when all they could do previously was insults. What can you do? There is a certain group of people that are beyond logic, I didn't realize Watford have so many happy clappers. And 'we love the Pozzos - they can do no wrong' clappers. I told them many times; Pozzos are not Gods, they can screw up! You saw the abuse! I said nice men don’t make leaders, take Ferguson he didn't make friends with his players! And so on! We both advocated six weeks ago Zola was not up to it! We could see week after week Zola was drowning, he should have asked for help then! It’s too late now! If Zola had been more honest about his situation he could still have had a future. He wasn't honest about Abdi’s injury either, leading fans to believe Abdi would be back in a few weeks, knowing Abdi’s diagnosis now, we will be lucky to see him this season , he may come back but it is touch and go! Zola will go the way of Vialli, too much pride! Watford’s UK management and Pozzo son should have intervened earlier, they may be football savvy in Italy, and however, they still have a lot to learn about English football and English football culture! Sure there is some new quality in the team, but nothing like last season’s; , Vydra, Challobah Abdi and Zola’s No 2 have not been replaced! Could be the success of last season was in spite of Zola not because of him! Quite a few Duds have been sent from the Pozzo Bank of Players into the UK squad, which in my view is disrespectful to Watford and the fans! Zola in my mind was finished after Wembley last year. I saw the signs, I have sufficient international experience in managing companies and individuals in four countries to recognize the symptoms.[/p][/quote]Ok, Roger. That is the most balanced assessment you have provided, without your previous need for jingoistic war references and the like. It is hard to argue with much of what you've said, though your last sentence is overly smug and pompous. There is a lot of talk about unrest behind the scenes, and of general dissatisfaction in certain sectors... But I personally have no knowledge of this so find conjecture pointless. However, maybe it is time for a change. If two people at the fans forum had their questions about Zola's number 2 sidestepped, for me that is just not acceptable. It is valid, as is the question of who calls the shots regarding player acquisition and the like. Zola in or Zola out? It's not in our control, really, is it?![/p][/quote]The reason I wrote my last paragraph is to demonstrate I have international management experience! Management is management whether its football or politics! How many of the posters on here have that? I also speak four languages fluently Spanish, French, German and reasonable Russian, I know the attitude in the UK today is to glorify losers by saying ‘we are all winners’ claptrap and insult people who can do things they can't do. Look where that has got us as a country? This can clearly be seen on this site. I am not questioning Zola's football knowledge, I question enormously Zola's management! I also question the Pozzo's management of the situation through both their UK set up and the attitude from Italy. If you can move past the personal insults and take off the rose tinted glasses, deal with reality, the majority of posters on here have no comprehension of what is going on combined with a slavish attitude of being grateful to the Pozzos for buying the club, that doesn't give the Pozzos carte blanche to do what they want! There will be a Watford fc after the Pozzos leave it may not be the same one, but it will be Watford fc. Those of us who ‘happy clappers ‘constantly can only argue personal insults and not reason or intelligence, will see in a short period we know what we are saying, we were the same people who understood the Bassini situation, exposed it and took insults for it, you are probably the same bunch who trusted Bassini. Even after we have been proven right the ‘happy clappers’ will not have the grace to admit it, carrying on their fantasy and self-denial. We are not pleased in being proved right, ultimately we are true Watford supporters who want the best for our team but we also live with feet firmly planted on the ground in reality.[/p][/quote]Really fed up with listening to your pseudo intellectual clap trap.You referring to your international management experience is absolutely pathetic and sums you up. I have also run many businesses and am quite happy to admit that I haven't got a clue where it has gone wrong. As a fan of over 30 years I still think that the current regime is the best we have ever had, and far better than a club our size deserves. The Pozzos are the best chance for this club to move forward and for you to have a pop at them, and to say they have sold us 'duds' is an insult. New stand. money , better players than most of us have ever seen. This season has been a massive disappointment but when we win 5 games in a row you will be one of the first adding your plaudits. Like everyone I have my doubts at the moment and really hope GZ is the man to take us forward. Like any young manager he made mistakes last season, but he got far more right than wrong. It is the players who need to be looking at themselves. If you want to advance the conversation next week at Ipswich then I will be there but I suspect it may be difficult with all your international commitments.[/p][/quote]When exactly are these five wins in a row gonna come???? I sat through that dross yesterday and can honestly say we could still be playing now and not have scored[/p][/quote]Thank you, the voice of reason finally emerges. Someone who was at the game (unlike me) that speaks the truth. How GZ is still employed by WFC, I'll never know. If I was that crap at my job, I would've been booted out a long time ago, and without a fat payout too. Me[/p][/quote]You are lucky you didn't go.... Not a single shot on target and probably only about two off target the whole second half. But according to some on here "we was all over them" they looked like lost sheep out there simple as that. Big changes needed or we will go down anyone who thinks otherwise is not looking at things objectively. The facts are there if you wish to believe them or not.[/p][/quote]It's so refreshing for the few of us that have seen this coming for many months. What disappoints me, as you said, is that some people think we're better than we are and have better players than anyone else. Like you said, objective evidence suggests otherwise. HC Hornet Cornet

10:27pm Sun 15 Dec 13

rogeruk says...

stiffler99 wrote:
Hornet Cornet wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
Hornet Cornet wrote: I'm building p to an almighty rant. How the f**k I have managed to keep quiet over the past 4-5 hours is beyond me.
Remember the crap I took from all those happy clappers? Today, they quote my ideas about Zola, when all they could do previously was insults. What can you do? There is a certain group of people that are beyond logic, I didn't realize Watford have so many happy clappers. And 'we love the Pozzos - they can do no wrong' clappers. I told them many times; Pozzos are not Gods, they can screw up! You saw the abuse! I said nice men don’t make leaders, take Ferguson he didn't make friends with his players! And so on! We both advocated six weeks ago Zola was not up to it! We could see week after week Zola was drowning, he should have asked for help then! It’s too late now! If Zola had been more honest about his situation he could still have had a future. He wasn't honest about Abdi’s injury either, leading fans to believe Abdi would be back in a few weeks, knowing Abdi’s diagnosis now, we will be lucky to see him this season , he may come back but it is touch and go! Zola will go the way of Vialli, too much pride! Watford’s UK management and Pozzo son should have intervened earlier, they may be football savvy in Italy, and however, they still have a lot to learn about English football and English football culture! Sure there is some new quality in the team, but nothing like last season’s; , Vydra, Challobah Abdi and Zola’s No 2 have not been replaced! Could be the success of last season was in spite of Zola not because of him! Quite a few Duds have been sent from the Pozzo Bank of Players into the UK squad, which in my view is disrespectful to Watford and the fans! Zola in my mind was finished after Wembley last year. I saw the signs, I have sufficient international experience in managing companies and individuals in four countries to recognize the symptoms.
Completely valid and reasoned points there. How can so many deluded pumpkins who purport to being Watford fans, continually spout so much unreasoned rubbish. "Zola will come good" some of them said, "Stop being so negative" they said, "stop doom-mongering" they whinged at us two, yet all we have ever done is seek the truth. We want nothing more than Watford to be successful yet people still ignored the signs.

Our performance at wemley was shockig, pretty much every performance bar a couple have been hopeless yet some donkeys on this site still refuse to believe that GZ has helped to ruin the club. If the Pozzo's pull out, and with our complete lack f home-grown talent, we will sink.

We are currently heading towards League 1 (anyone care ot argue??) and there are no signs of any change at the club.

Makes me sick the way the Pozzo's havent acted upon our managerial disaster, and how so many 'fans' think GZ is the man for the job.

GZ has the management pedigree of a mongrel.

He is hopeless and needs to go.

HC
I bet you are the guys who boo the team at the end of the game as well.
Here we go again, absolutely pathetic one liner from one of the Watford sheeple! If you can't add anything or counter an argument with the minimum of intellect, don't bother!
[quote][p][bold]stiffler99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: I'm building p to an almighty rant. How the f**k I have managed to keep quiet over the past 4-5 hours is beyond me.[/p][/quote]Remember the crap I took from all those happy clappers? Today, they quote my ideas about Zola, when all they could do previously was insults. What can you do? There is a certain group of people that are beyond logic, I didn't realize Watford have so many happy clappers. And 'we love the Pozzos - they can do no wrong' clappers. I told them many times; Pozzos are not Gods, they can screw up! You saw the abuse! I said nice men don’t make leaders, take Ferguson he didn't make friends with his players! And so on! We both advocated six weeks ago Zola was not up to it! We could see week after week Zola was drowning, he should have asked for help then! It’s too late now! If Zola had been more honest about his situation he could still have had a future. He wasn't honest about Abdi’s injury either, leading fans to believe Abdi would be back in a few weeks, knowing Abdi’s diagnosis now, we will be lucky to see him this season , he may come back but it is touch and go! Zola will go the way of Vialli, too much pride! Watford’s UK management and Pozzo son should have intervened earlier, they may be football savvy in Italy, and however, they still have a lot to learn about English football and English football culture! Sure there is some new quality in the team, but nothing like last season’s; , Vydra, Challobah Abdi and Zola’s No 2 have not been replaced! Could be the success of last season was in spite of Zola not because of him! Quite a few Duds have been sent from the Pozzo Bank of Players into the UK squad, which in my view is disrespectful to Watford and the fans! Zola in my mind was finished after Wembley last year. I saw the signs, I have sufficient international experience in managing companies and individuals in four countries to recognize the symptoms.[/p][/quote]Completely valid and reasoned points there. How can so many deluded pumpkins who purport to being Watford fans, continually spout so much unreasoned rubbish. "Zola will come good" some of them said, "Stop being so negative" they said, "stop doom-mongering" they whinged at us two, yet all we have ever done is seek the truth. We want nothing more than Watford to be successful yet people still ignored the signs. Our performance at wemley was shockig, pretty much every performance bar a couple have been hopeless yet some donkeys on this site still refuse to believe that GZ has helped to ruin the club. If the Pozzo's pull out, and with our complete lack f home-grown talent, we will sink. We are currently heading towards League 1 (anyone care ot argue??) and there are no signs of any change at the club. Makes me sick the way the Pozzo's havent acted upon our managerial disaster, and how so many 'fans' think GZ is the man for the job. GZ has the management pedigree of a mongrel. He is hopeless and needs to go. HC[/p][/quote]I bet you are the guys who boo the team at the end of the game as well.[/p][/quote]Here we go again, absolutely pathetic one liner from one of the Watford sheeple! If you can't add anything or counter an argument with the minimum of intellect, don't bother! rogeruk

10:38pm Sun 15 Dec 13

rogeruk says...

Bush Hornet wrote:
Managers come and go. Players come and go. But this site will always have its unhinged keyboard warriors. Hornet cornet, rogeruk and demerit, you are sad, lonely folk. I'd love to lock you in room 101 together and throw away the key.

On a happier note, great to see the legend Graham Taylor back at the Vic.
Next time you write dribble (which happens all too frequently) stop looking in the mirror for an example of a sad, lonely and pathetic member of the sheeple.

Try for the sake of interest alone to show the tiniest of intellect (admittedly difficult in your case) and propose a counter argument ( which you can't) thereby resorting to the stereo Chav response of personal insults adding absolutely nothing to the discussion Your idiotic opinion is completely without any form of validity!
[quote][p][bold]Bush Hornet[/bold] wrote: Managers come and go. Players come and go. But this site will always have its unhinged keyboard warriors. Hornet cornet, rogeruk and demerit, you are sad, lonely folk. I'd love to lock you in room 101 together and throw away the key. On a happier note, great to see the legend Graham Taylor back at the Vic.[/p][/quote]Next time you write dribble (which happens all too frequently) stop looking in the mirror for an example of a sad, lonely and pathetic member of the sheeple. Try for the sake of interest alone to show the tiniest of intellect (admittedly difficult in your case) and propose a counter argument ( which you can't) thereby resorting to the stereo Chav response of personal insults adding absolutely nothing to the discussion Your idiotic opinion is completely without any form of validity! rogeruk

10:46pm Sun 15 Dec 13

rogeruk says...

KeithMercer wrote:
1234566789 wrote:
Hornet Cornet wrote:
femalehornet122 wrote:
I tthink t would be sad to loose Zola. We are all in this together an together we must find the way forward. We over performed last year and this year we are suspect but it does not good to loose a good manager. We need to relook at how we are working rotgether and look at changes. we need to find a way through a 10 man defence because that is what they did today, just blocked us out. We also need ot concentrate on set pieces to do to others what is being done to us. I would hope we can all work together to resolve this without looking for Zola to go anywhere. It would be sad day
First, try using a spell / grammar checker.
Secondly, we did not overachieve. This is a pointless phrase - last season we generally played well and would have gone up had it not been for GZ's tactical ineptitude.
Thirdly, he isnt a good manager, he has a woeful management record.
Fourthly, what's this rubbish about a 10-man defence? If all teams defend the way you say, we'll end up with zero points this season. Nonsence.
Finally, the way to work together would be to sack GZ and bring Steve Clarke in.

HC
I forgot it was "Zola's tactical ineptitude" that prevented us getting promoted last season. I thought he twice got us to within one match of going up. I also thought that it was a stupid challenge from Deeney, an injury to both Almunia and Bond and two mistakes from Bonham that stopped it against Leeds and then a stupid challenge from Cassetti that finally did it against Palace. I guess my memory is pretty poor.

I also only look at one game at a time so don't realise that, although Zola "got it wrong" by making changes and losing to Bristol City and Charlton last season, we went on storming runs after those games (9 points in 3 games over 2 weeks after Charlton and 13 points in 5 games over 3 weeks after Bristol City). I mean, it is difficult to conclude that we won those games, at least in part, due to the players being rested.

In fact, my memory is so bad that I can't even remember that if Bond had set up his wall correctly/ the wall had done its job (whichever was at fault), Anya's perfectly good goal hadn't been chalked off and Fessi hadn't wasted a sitter the we wouldn't have lost today but won. Had that happened, would we have picked up 5 points from the last three including two very tough away games and everything be ok again?
Great Post and Comet lay off the sauce ! you are fast becoming the most embarrassing supporter in town . To actually call you a supporter is a bit of a joke.
You say "I also only look at one game at a time" hurts your head does it to look at more than one game? like your life you can only think about one day at a time, great planning that, classic sheeple comment which invalidates anything you say. Never mind you are in good company with the other sheeple chav warriors!
[quote][p][bold]KeithMercer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]1234566789[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]femalehornet122[/bold] wrote: I tthink t would be sad to loose Zola. We are all in this together an together we must find the way forward. We over performed last year and this year we are suspect but it does not good to loose a good manager. We need to relook at how we are working rotgether and look at changes. we need to find a way through a 10 man defence because that is what they did today, just blocked us out. We also need ot concentrate on set pieces to do to others what is being done to us. I would hope we can all work together to resolve this without looking for Zola to go anywhere. It would be sad day[/p][/quote]First, try using a spell / grammar checker. Secondly, we did not overachieve. This is a pointless phrase - last season we generally played well and would have gone up had it not been for GZ's tactical ineptitude. Thirdly, he isnt a good manager, he has a woeful management record. Fourthly, what's this rubbish about a 10-man defence? If all teams defend the way you say, we'll end up with zero points this season. Nonsence. Finally, the way to work together would be to sack GZ and bring Steve Clarke in. HC[/p][/quote]I forgot it was "Zola's tactical ineptitude" that prevented us getting promoted last season. I thought he twice got us to within one match of going up. I also thought that it was a stupid challenge from Deeney, an injury to both Almunia and Bond and two mistakes from Bonham that stopped it against Leeds and then a stupid challenge from Cassetti that finally did it against Palace. I guess my memory is pretty poor. I also only look at one game at a time so don't realise that, although Zola "got it wrong" by making changes and losing to Bristol City and Charlton last season, we went on storming runs after those games (9 points in 3 games over 2 weeks after Charlton and 13 points in 5 games over 3 weeks after Bristol City). I mean, it is difficult to conclude that we won those games, at least in part, due to the players being rested. In fact, my memory is so bad that I can't even remember that if Bond had set up his wall correctly/ the wall had done its job (whichever was at fault), Anya's perfectly good goal hadn't been chalked off and Fessi hadn't wasted a sitter the we wouldn't have lost today but won. Had that happened, would we have picked up 5 points from the last three including two very tough away games and everything be ok again?[/p][/quote]Great Post and Comet lay off the sauce ! you are fast becoming the most embarrassing supporter in town . To actually call you a supporter is a bit of a joke.[/p][/quote]You say "I also only look at one game at a time" hurts your head does it to look at more than one game? like your life you can only think about one day at a time, great planning that, classic sheeple comment which invalidates anything you say. Never mind you are in good company with the other sheeple chav warriors! rogeruk

11:56pm Sun 15 Dec 13

rogeruk says...

Bush Hornet wrote:
Managers come and go. Players come and go. But this site will always have its unhinged keyboard warriors. Hornet cornet, rogeruk and demerit, you are sad, lonely folk. I'd love to lock you in room 101 together and throw away the key.

On a happier note, great to see the legend Graham Taylor back at the Vic.
Keith mercer how sad are you is that your name?

I am one of the bad people on here - our crime? To tell the truth! We are the truth warriors fighting ignorance and sheepleiszm whose only weapon (because they are not very bright) is personal insults and bullying.

We will not be silenced!
[quote][p][bold]Bush Hornet[/bold] wrote: Managers come and go. Players come and go. But this site will always have its unhinged keyboard warriors. Hornet cornet, rogeruk and demerit, you are sad, lonely folk. I'd love to lock you in room 101 together and throw away the key. On a happier note, great to see the legend Graham Taylor back at the Vic.[/p][/quote]Keith mercer how sad are you is that your name? I am one of the bad people on here - our crime? To tell the truth! We are the truth warriors fighting ignorance and sheepleiszm whose only weapon (because they are not very bright) is personal insults and bullying. We will not be silenced! rogeruk

12:01am Mon 16 Dec 13

rogeruk says...

surreyhorn wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
Hornet Cornet wrote:
I'm building p to an almighty rant. How the f**k I have managed to keep quiet over the past 4-5 hours is beyond me.
Remember the crap I took from all those happy clappers? Today, they quote my ideas about Zola, when all they could do previously was insults. What can you do?

There is a certain group of people that are beyond logic, I didn't realize Watford have so many happy clappers. And 'we love the Pozzos - they can do no wrong' clappers. I told them many times; Pozzos are not Gods, they can screw up! You saw the abuse! I said nice men don’t make leaders, take Ferguson he didn't make friends with his players! And so on!

We both advocated six weeks ago Zola was not up to it! We could see week after week Zola was drowning, he should have asked for help then! It’s too late now! If Zola had been more honest about his situation he could still have had a future. He wasn't honest about Abdi’s injury either, leading fans to believe Abdi would be back in a few weeks, knowing Abdi’s diagnosis now, we will be lucky to see him this season , he may come back but it is touch and go!

Zola will go the way of Vialli, too much pride! Watford’s UK management and Pozzo son should have intervened earlier, they may be football savvy in Italy, and however, they still have a lot to learn about English football and English football culture! Sure there is some new quality in the team, but nothing like last season’s; , Vydra, Challobah Abdi and Zola’s No 2 have not been replaced! Could be the success of last season was in spite of Zola not because of him! Quite a few Duds have been sent from the Pozzo Bank of Players into the UK squad, which in my view is disrespectful to Watford and the fans!

Zola in my mind was finished after Wembley last year. I saw the signs, I have sufficient international experience in managing companies and individuals in four countries to recognize the symptoms.
It's just not happening and Zola needs to sort it out. I have a lot more faith in the Pozzos than a bore like you jumping on the bandwagon even if you are a global captain of industry.
It's just not happening and Zola needs to sort it out. What the hell does mean? Have you been living in a cave sine 5th October? How does your inane comment help in anyway?

We are the bad people we tell the truth - we are the truth warriors!
[quote][p][bold]surreyhorn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: I'm building p to an almighty rant. How the f**k I have managed to keep quiet over the past 4-5 hours is beyond me.[/p][/quote]Remember the crap I took from all those happy clappers? Today, they quote my ideas about Zola, when all they could do previously was insults. What can you do? There is a certain group of people that are beyond logic, I didn't realize Watford have so many happy clappers. And 'we love the Pozzos - they can do no wrong' clappers. I told them many times; Pozzos are not Gods, they can screw up! You saw the abuse! I said nice men don’t make leaders, take Ferguson he didn't make friends with his players! And so on! We both advocated six weeks ago Zola was not up to it! We could see week after week Zola was drowning, he should have asked for help then! It’s too late now! If Zola had been more honest about his situation he could still have had a future. He wasn't honest about Abdi’s injury either, leading fans to believe Abdi would be back in a few weeks, knowing Abdi’s diagnosis now, we will be lucky to see him this season , he may come back but it is touch and go! Zola will go the way of Vialli, too much pride! Watford’s UK management and Pozzo son should have intervened earlier, they may be football savvy in Italy, and however, they still have a lot to learn about English football and English football culture! Sure there is some new quality in the team, but nothing like last season’s; , Vydra, Challobah Abdi and Zola’s No 2 have not been replaced! Could be the success of last season was in spite of Zola not because of him! Quite a few Duds have been sent from the Pozzo Bank of Players into the UK squad, which in my view is disrespectful to Watford and the fans! Zola in my mind was finished after Wembley last year. I saw the signs, I have sufficient international experience in managing companies and individuals in four countries to recognize the symptoms.[/p][/quote]It's just not happening and Zola needs to sort it out. I have a lot more faith in the Pozzos than a bore like you jumping on the bandwagon even if you are a global captain of industry.[/p][/quote]It's just not happening and Zola needs to sort it out. What the hell does mean? Have you been living in a cave sine 5th October? How does your inane comment help in anyway? We are the bad people we tell the truth - we are the truth warriors! rogeruk

12:14am Mon 16 Dec 13

rogeruk says...

and then what wrote:
Fantastic that Mr Big Boss reckons that his successful time managing companies across the globe can help him identify shortfalls in the capabilities of football managers. I am surprised he has time away from his busy schedule to post the negative horse droppings he does.
and then what ! Stereo typical chav!

Cannot debate the issues and deal with content! Closed mind, no counter argument, no sensible solutions, nothing of note, nothing of interest only insults. Certainly if not a communist definitely of communist mentality because communists don't like discussion they hate the truth!

Communists will stop the truth using any method! You cannot disagree with Communists they will never discuss with you! People who tell the truth are really Bad Bad Bad people! These mini dictators group together by phone, text and email to gang up on the truthers, when one of their own chavs posts an idiotic post with abuse they all clap it, that’s what we are dealing with here. They cannot deal or discuss the issues! For that they have to stop discussion by any means!

210 million people have been killed by communism nearly all for the crime of TELLING THE TRUTH! We will not be silenced by ignorant closed minded chavs! We are the truth warriors!
[quote][p][bold]and then what[/bold] wrote: Fantastic that Mr Big Boss reckons that his successful time managing companies across the globe can help him identify shortfalls in the capabilities of football managers. I am surprised he has time away from his busy schedule to post the negative horse droppings he does.[/p][/quote]and then what ! Stereo typical chav! Cannot debate the issues and deal with content! Closed mind, no counter argument, no sensible solutions, nothing of note, nothing of interest only insults. Certainly if not a communist definitely of communist mentality because communists don't like discussion they hate the truth! Communists will stop the truth using any method! You cannot disagree with Communists they will never discuss with you! People who tell the truth are really Bad Bad Bad people! These mini dictators group together by phone, text and email to gang up on the truthers, when one of their own chavs posts an idiotic post with abuse they all clap it, that’s what we are dealing with here. They cannot deal or discuss the issues! For that they have to stop discussion by any means! 210 million people have been killed by communism nearly all for the crime of TELLING THE TRUTH! We will not be silenced by ignorant closed minded chavs! We are the truth warriors! rogeruk

12:38am Mon 16 Dec 13

Bush Hornet says...

rogeruk wrote:
and then what wrote:
Fantastic that Mr Big Boss reckons that his successful time managing companies across the globe can help him identify shortfalls in the capabilities of football managers. I am surprised he has time away from his busy schedule to post the negative horse droppings he does.
and then what ! Stereo typical chav!

Cannot debate the issues and deal with content! Closed mind, no counter argument, no sensible solutions, nothing of note, nothing of interest only insults. Certainly if not a communist definitely of communist mentality because communists don't like discussion they hate the truth!

Communists will stop the truth using any method! You cannot disagree with Communists they will never discuss with you! People who tell the truth are really Bad Bad Bad people! These mini dictators group together by phone, text and email to gang up on the truthers, when one of their own chavs posts an idiotic post with abuse they all clap it, that’s what we are dealing with here. They cannot deal or discuss the issues! For that they have to stop discussion by any means!

210 million people have been killed by communism nearly all for the crime of TELLING THE TRUTH! We will not be silenced by ignorant closed minded chavs! We are the truth warriors!
This is priceless stuff Roger. Only issue I have is with your timing. The British Comedy Awards just came and went.
[quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]and then what[/bold] wrote: Fantastic that Mr Big Boss reckons that his successful time managing companies across the globe can help him identify shortfalls in the capabilities of football managers. I am surprised he has time away from his busy schedule to post the negative horse droppings he does.[/p][/quote]and then what ! Stereo typical chav! Cannot debate the issues and deal with content! Closed mind, no counter argument, no sensible solutions, nothing of note, nothing of interest only insults. Certainly if not a communist definitely of communist mentality because communists don't like discussion they hate the truth! Communists will stop the truth using any method! You cannot disagree with Communists they will never discuss with you! People who tell the truth are really Bad Bad Bad people! These mini dictators group together by phone, text and email to gang up on the truthers, when one of their own chavs posts an idiotic post with abuse they all clap it, that’s what we are dealing with here. They cannot deal or discuss the issues! For that they have to stop discussion by any means! 210 million people have been killed by communism nearly all for the crime of TELLING THE TRUTH! We will not be silenced by ignorant closed minded chavs! We are the truth warriors![/p][/quote]This is priceless stuff Roger. Only issue I have is with your timing. The British Comedy Awards just came and went. Bush Hornet

7:15am Mon 16 Dec 13

mellow yellow says...

rogeruk wrote:
Bush Hornet wrote:
Managers come and go. Players come and go. But this site will always have its unhinged keyboard warriors. Hornet cornet, rogeruk and demerit, you are sad, lonely folk. I'd love to lock you in room 101 together and throw away the key.

On a happier note, great to see the legend Graham Taylor back at the Vic.
Keith mercer how sad are you is that your name?

I am one of the bad people on here - our crime? To tell the truth! We are the truth warriors fighting ignorance and sheepleiszm whose only weapon (because they are not very bright) is personal insults and bullying.

We will not be silenced!
Roger: you criticise people for doing the same as you. How hypocritical can you get?! Who are these 'sheeple' to whom you refer? Anyone who disagrees with your views.. Is that because you are the truth, the light and the way? And what if Keith Mercer is his name? What if it isn't? Mine is not mellow yellow, and I very much doubt yours is RogerUK. What's your point? In more ways than one.

And here's a thought for you.. If Zola turns this around, what will you say then? That he has read your posts on being a successful international businessman with a host of language skills and has been inspired by you? Well...
[quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bush Hornet[/bold] wrote: Managers come and go. Players come and go. But this site will always have its unhinged keyboard warriors. Hornet cornet, rogeruk and demerit, you are sad, lonely folk. I'd love to lock you in room 101 together and throw away the key. On a happier note, great to see the legend Graham Taylor back at the Vic.[/p][/quote]Keith mercer how sad are you is that your name? I am one of the bad people on here - our crime? To tell the truth! We are the truth warriors fighting ignorance and sheepleiszm whose only weapon (because they are not very bright) is personal insults and bullying. We will not be silenced![/p][/quote]Roger: you criticise people for doing the same as you. How hypocritical can you get?! Who are these 'sheeple' to whom you refer? Anyone who disagrees with your views.. Is that because you are the truth, the light and the way? And what if Keith Mercer is his name? What if it isn't? Mine is not mellow yellow, and I very much doubt yours is RogerUK. What's your point? In more ways than one. And here's a thought for you.. If Zola turns this around, what will you say then? That he has read your posts on being a successful international businessman with a host of language skills and has been inspired by you? Well... mellow yellow

8:16am Mon 16 Dec 13

Hornet Cornet says...

mellow yellow wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
Bush Hornet wrote: Managers come and go. Players come and go. But this site will always have its unhinged keyboard warriors. Hornet cornet, rogeruk and demerit, you are sad, lonely folk. I'd love to lock you in room 101 together and throw away the key. On a happier note, great to see the legend Graham Taylor back at the Vic.
Keith mercer how sad are you is that your name? I am one of the bad people on here - our crime? To tell the truth! We are the truth warriors fighting ignorance and sheepleiszm whose only weapon (because they are not very bright) is personal insults and bullying. We will not be silenced!
Roger: you criticise people for doing the same as you. How hypocritical can you get?! Who are these 'sheeple' to whom you refer? Anyone who disagrees with your views.. Is that because you are the truth, the light and the way? And what if Keith Mercer is his name? What if it isn't? Mine is not mellow yellow, and I very much doubt yours is RogerUK. What's your point? In more ways than one. And here's a thought for you.. If Zola turns this around, what will you say then? That he has read your posts on being a successful international businessman with a host of language skills and has been inspired by you? Well...
Morning All !!!

It is I, le Cornet. I have awoken with an epiphany, I have seen the future and it is bright. The future is Yellow.

On a more serious note, can anyone write a poem about Sheeples?

HC
[quote][p][bold]mellow yellow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bush Hornet[/bold] wrote: Managers come and go. Players come and go. But this site will always have its unhinged keyboard warriors. Hornet cornet, rogeruk and demerit, you are sad, lonely folk. I'd love to lock you in room 101 together and throw away the key. On a happier note, great to see the legend Graham Taylor back at the Vic.[/p][/quote]Keith mercer how sad are you is that your name? I am one of the bad people on here - our crime? To tell the truth! We are the truth warriors fighting ignorance and sheepleiszm whose only weapon (because they are not very bright) is personal insults and bullying. We will not be silenced![/p][/quote]Roger: you criticise people for doing the same as you. How hypocritical can you get?! Who are these 'sheeple' to whom you refer? Anyone who disagrees with your views.. Is that because you are the truth, the light and the way? And what if Keith Mercer is his name? What if it isn't? Mine is not mellow yellow, and I very much doubt yours is RogerUK. What's your point? In more ways than one. And here's a thought for you.. If Zola turns this around, what will you say then? That he has read your posts on being a successful international businessman with a host of language skills and has been inspired by you? Well...[/p][/quote]Morning All !!! It is I, le Cornet. I have awoken with an epiphany, I have seen the future and it is bright. The future is Yellow. On a more serious note, can anyone write a poem about Sheeples? HC Hornet Cornet

9:41am Mon 16 Dec 13

Harry's Bar says...

rogeruk wrote:
and then what wrote:
Fantastic that Mr Big Boss reckons that his successful time managing companies across the globe can help him identify shortfalls in the capabilities of football managers. I am surprised he has time away from his busy schedule to post the negative horse droppings he does.
and then what ! Stereo typical chav!

Cannot debate the issues and deal with content! Closed mind, no counter argument, no sensible solutions, nothing of note, nothing of interest only insults. Certainly if not a communist definitely of communist mentality because communists don't like discussion they hate the truth!

Communists will stop the truth using any method! You cannot disagree with Communists they will never discuss with you! People who tell the truth are really Bad Bad Bad people! These mini dictators group together by phone, text and email to gang up on the truthers, when one of their own chavs posts an idiotic post with abuse they all clap it, that’s what we are dealing with here. They cannot deal or discuss the issues! For that they have to stop discussion by any means!

210 million people have been killed by communism nearly all for the crime of TELLING THE TRUTH! We will not be silenced by ignorant closed minded chavs! We are the truth warriors!
Roger, is your birthday coming up, not by any chance 25th December is it? Your teachings are an inspiration to us all. Could you give us a sign, point us to a Star, turn water into wine, anything to let us know that you are indeed the second coming.
[quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]and then what[/bold] wrote: Fantastic that Mr Big Boss reckons that his successful time managing companies across the globe can help him identify shortfalls in the capabilities of football managers. I am surprised he has time away from his busy schedule to post the negative horse droppings he does.[/p][/quote]and then what ! Stereo typical chav! Cannot debate the issues and deal with content! Closed mind, no counter argument, no sensible solutions, nothing of note, nothing of interest only insults. Certainly if not a communist definitely of communist mentality because communists don't like discussion they hate the truth! Communists will stop the truth using any method! You cannot disagree with Communists they will never discuss with you! People who tell the truth are really Bad Bad Bad people! These mini dictators group together by phone, text and email to gang up on the truthers, when one of their own chavs posts an idiotic post with abuse they all clap it, that’s what we are dealing with here. They cannot deal or discuss the issues! For that they have to stop discussion by any means! 210 million people have been killed by communism nearly all for the crime of TELLING THE TRUTH! We will not be silenced by ignorant closed minded chavs! We are the truth warriors![/p][/quote]Roger, is your birthday coming up, not by any chance 25th December is it? Your teachings are an inspiration to us all. Could you give us a sign, point us to a Star, turn water into wine, anything to let us know that you are indeed the second coming. Harry's Bar

10:40am Mon 16 Dec 13

KeithMercer says...

mellow yellow wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
Bush Hornet wrote:
Managers come and go. Players come and go. But this site will always have its unhinged keyboard warriors. Hornet cornet, rogeruk and demerit, you are sad, lonely folk. I'd love to lock you in room 101 together and throw away the key.

On a happier note, great to see the legend Graham Taylor back at the Vic.
Keith mercer how sad are you is that your name?

I am one of the bad people on here - our crime? To tell the truth! We are the truth warriors fighting ignorance and sheepleiszm whose only weapon (because they are not very bright) is personal insults and bullying.

We will not be silenced!
Roger: you criticise people for doing the same as you. How hypocritical can you get?! Who are these 'sheeple' to whom you refer? Anyone who disagrees with your views.. Is that because you are the truth, the light and the way? And what if Keith Mercer is his name? What if it isn't? Mine is not mellow yellow, and I very much doubt yours is RogerUK. What's your point? In more ways than one.

And here's a thought for you.. If Zola turns this around, what will you say then? That he has read your posts on being a successful international businessman with a host of language skills and has been inspired by you? Well...
Mellow my friend dont waste your time and effort on the immortal Roger !
The chap that never insults anyone ! just like the WATFORD WARBLER .
Do they actually read their posts ? do they actually think about what they are spouting ? Rogers one about the Communists just put me to sleep.
We are mid table in one of the toughest leagues in the world !! FFS anybody would think the end is Nigh ! Not sure about anyone else but I am happy to let the experts get on with it, I was at the forum last week and saw and heard enough to give me confidence for the future.
[quote][p][bold]mellow yellow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bush Hornet[/bold] wrote: Managers come and go. Players come and go. But this site will always have its unhinged keyboard warriors. Hornet cornet, rogeruk and demerit, you are sad, lonely folk. I'd love to lock you in room 101 together and throw away the key. On a happier note, great to see the legend Graham Taylor back at the Vic.[/p][/quote]Keith mercer how sad are you is that your name? I am one of the bad people on here - our crime? To tell the truth! We are the truth warriors fighting ignorance and sheepleiszm whose only weapon (because they are not very bright) is personal insults and bullying. We will not be silenced![/p][/quote]Roger: you criticise people for doing the same as you. How hypocritical can you get?! Who are these 'sheeple' to whom you refer? Anyone who disagrees with your views.. Is that because you are the truth, the light and the way? And what if Keith Mercer is his name? What if it isn't? Mine is not mellow yellow, and I very much doubt yours is RogerUK. What's your point? In more ways than one. And here's a thought for you.. If Zola turns this around, what will you say then? That he has read your posts on being a successful international businessman with a host of language skills and has been inspired by you? Well...[/p][/quote]Mellow my friend dont waste your time and effort on the immortal Roger ! The chap that never insults anyone ! just like the WATFORD WARBLER . Do they actually read their posts ? do they actually think about what they are spouting ? Rogers one about the Communists just put me to sleep. We are mid table in one of the toughest leagues in the world !! FFS anybody would think the end is Nigh ! Not sure about anyone else but I am happy to let the experts get on with it, I was at the forum last week and saw and heard enough to give me confidence for the future. KeithMercer

11:03am Mon 16 Dec 13

Hornet Cornet says...

Crikey, one of the toughest leagues in the world eh. Not a hint of exaggeration there you think maybe?
Crikey, one of the toughest leagues in the world eh. Not a hint of exaggeration there you think maybe? Hornet Cornet

11:38am Mon 16 Dec 13

Harry's Bar says...

Hornet Cornet wrote:
Crikey, one of the toughest leagues in the world eh. Not a hint of exaggeration there you think maybe?
Could there also be a hint of exaggeration in your views on Zola though?. I understand of course that it is only you and your disciples that speak the truth so maybe not..
[quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: Crikey, one of the toughest leagues in the world eh. Not a hint of exaggeration there you think maybe?[/p][/quote]Could there also be a hint of exaggeration in your views on Zola though?. I understand of course that it is only you and your disciples that speak the truth so maybe not.. Harry's Bar

11:59am Mon 16 Dec 13

Hornet Cornet says...

Harry's Bar wrote:
Hornet Cornet wrote: Crikey, one of the toughest leagues in the world eh. Not a hint of exaggeration there you think maybe?
Could there also be a hint of exaggeration in your views on Zola though?. I understand of course that it is only you and your disciples that speak the truth so maybe not..
We read from the bible of Truthdom. I am truthful when I say that GZ is not good enough for the job. This is, obviously, my opinion and I have always wanted him and Watford to succeed. Sometimes things work out, sometimes they don't.

My belief is that this job is too big for GZ. I may be proved wrong, but that's just what I think.

Ta ta

HC
[quote][p][bold]Harry's Bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: Crikey, one of the toughest leagues in the world eh. Not a hint of exaggeration there you think maybe?[/p][/quote]Could there also be a hint of exaggeration in your views on Zola though?. I understand of course that it is only you and your disciples that speak the truth so maybe not..[/p][/quote]We read from the bible of Truthdom. I am truthful when I say that GZ is not good enough for the job. This is, obviously, my opinion and I have always wanted him and Watford to succeed. Sometimes things work out, sometimes they don't. My belief is that this job is too big for GZ. I may be proved wrong, but that's just what I think. Ta ta HC Hornet Cornet

12:40pm Mon 16 Dec 13

demerit says...

He could just try resigning...
He could just try resigning... demerit

1:01pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Hatfieldhorn says...

Dear Roger
I agree with you fully .................. so it is then a pity that you contradict yourself so fully.
You complain about personal insults while at the same time ......writing plenty of personal insults .
Yes your right we Watford fans were here long before the Pozzo,s and will be here long after they have gone , but not right in saying they are not allowed to do as they like. Right or wrong they own the club, they can do what ever they like !
Please point out in what way you or me mighy stop them.
Being a international manager you would understand that.
Yes your right personal insults from people who disagree with you is wrong.
So why do it ?
May be its because your a "Cabeza Grande" that people here get annoyed with you
Use www Freetranslation .com if you dont know what that means in English.
Mean while Watford FC have clearly got something going on behind closed doors but I would say no one here really knows what that is,

Zola did well last year with a ggod team
He could and should and could have done better but he changed it about to much and made basc errors

So how the hell is he gonna do better this year with a weakened team ?
Will the owners back the manager in Jan and let him bring players in from outside their own clubs.
Not backing Zola on the field is not fair to him.

I love Zola and respect the Pozzos , but I love Watford FC and respect its fans more.
Be good to each other Merry Christmas Craig
Dear Roger I agree with you fully .................. so it is then a pity that you contradict yourself so fully. You complain about personal insults while at the same time ......writing plenty of personal insults . Yes your right we Watford fans were here long before the Pozzo,s and will be here long after they have gone , but not right in saying they are not allowed to do as they like. Right or wrong they own the club, they can do what ever they like ! Please point out in what way you or me mighy stop them. Being a international manager you would understand that. Yes your right personal insults from people who disagree with you is wrong. So why do it ? May be its because your a "Cabeza Grande" that people here get annoyed with you Use www Freetranslation .com if you dont know what that means in English. Mean while Watford FC have clearly got something going on behind closed doors but I would say no one here really knows what that is, Zola did well last year with a ggod team He could and should and could have done better but he changed it about to much and made basc errors So how the hell is he gonna do better this year with a weakened team ? Will the owners back the manager in Jan and let him bring players in from outside their own clubs. Not backing Zola on the field is not fair to him. I love Zola and respect the Pozzos , but I love Watford FC and respect its fans more. Be good to each other Merry Christmas Craig Hatfieldhorn

1:13pm Mon 16 Dec 13

edgrigg says...

I am afraid that we may be saying goodbye to Zola soon. Decent chap. Good player. Did well last season. However, if he can't turn it around and he seems to be admiting he doesn't know how (but then again if he did know how he would have done it by now) he will get the sack whatever we say. He has had access to some very talented players even if he choices may have been limited to whoever Udinese want to offload, but we have been out thought in game after game. The tactics used against us recently have been spot-on whereas ours seem clueless. Endlessly passing the ball round the midfield with no cutting edge or urgency has become the norm. Still, it'll be Christmas soon so we will have presents to unwrap so that should cheer us all up.
I am afraid that we may be saying goodbye to Zola soon. Decent chap. Good player. Did well last season. However, if he can't turn it around and he seems to be admiting he doesn't know how (but then again if he did know how he would have done it by now) he will get the sack whatever we say. He has had access to some very talented players even if he choices may have been limited to whoever Udinese want to offload, but we have been out thought in game after game. The tactics used against us recently have been spot-on whereas ours seem clueless. Endlessly passing the ball round the midfield with no cutting edge or urgency has become the norm. Still, it'll be Christmas soon so we will have presents to unwrap so that should cheer us all up. edgrigg

1:45pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Nick El Greco says...

Hornet Cornet wrote:
femalehornet122 wrote:
I tthink t would be sad to loose Zola. We are all in this together an together we must find the way forward. We over performed last year and this year we are suspect but it does not good to loose a good manager. We need to relook at how we are working rotgether and look at changes. we need to find a way through a 10 man defence because that is what they did today, just blocked us out. We also need ot concentrate on set pieces to do to others what is being done to us. I would hope we can all work together to resolve this without looking for Zola to go anywhere. It would be sad day
First, try using a spell / grammar checker.
Secondly, we did not overachieve. This is a pointless phrase - last season we generally played well and would have gone up had it not been for GZ's tactical ineptitude.
Thirdly, he isnt a good manager, he has a woeful management record.
Fourthly, what's this rubbish about a 10-man defence? If all teams defend the way you say, we'll end up with zero points this season. Nonsence.
Finally, the way to work together would be to sack GZ and bring Steve Clarke in.

HC
I love the way you very patronisingly tell someone to use a spell checker and then can't even spell the word nonsense yourself. Very funny
[quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]femalehornet122[/bold] wrote: I tthink t would be sad to loose Zola. We are all in this together an together we must find the way forward. We over performed last year and this year we are suspect but it does not good to loose a good manager. We need to relook at how we are working rotgether and look at changes. we need to find a way through a 10 man defence because that is what they did today, just blocked us out. We also need ot concentrate on set pieces to do to others what is being done to us. I would hope we can all work together to resolve this without looking for Zola to go anywhere. It would be sad day[/p][/quote]First, try using a spell / grammar checker. Secondly, we did not overachieve. This is a pointless phrase - last season we generally played well and would have gone up had it not been for GZ's tactical ineptitude. Thirdly, he isnt a good manager, he has a woeful management record. Fourthly, what's this rubbish about a 10-man defence? If all teams defend the way you say, we'll end up with zero points this season. Nonsence. Finally, the way to work together would be to sack GZ and bring Steve Clarke in. HC[/p][/quote]I love the way you very patronisingly tell someone to use a spell checker and then can't even spell the word nonsense yourself. Very funny Nick El Greco

1:50pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Hornet Cornet says...

Nick El Greco wrote:
Hornet Cornet wrote:
femalehornet122 wrote: I tthink t would be sad to loose Zola. We are all in this together an together we must find the way forward. We over performed last year and this year we are suspect but it does not good to loose a good manager. We need to relook at how we are working rotgether and look at changes. we need to find a way through a 10 man defence because that is what they did today, just blocked us out. We also need ot concentrate on set pieces to do to others what is being done to us. I would hope we can all work together to resolve this without looking for Zola to go anywhere. It would be sad day
First, try using a spell / grammar checker. Secondly, we did not overachieve. This is a pointless phrase - last season we generally played well and would have gone up had it not been for GZ's tactical ineptitude. Thirdly, he isnt a good manager, he has a woeful management record. Fourthly, what's this rubbish about a 10-man defence? If all teams defend the way you say, we'll end up with zero points this season. Nonsence. Finally, the way to work together would be to sack GZ and bring Steve Clarke in. HC
I love the way you very patronisingly tell someone to use a spell checker and then can't even spell the word nonsense yourself. Very funny
i did it on purpoise matey.
[quote][p][bold]Nick El Greco[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]femalehornet122[/bold] wrote: I tthink t would be sad to loose Zola. We are all in this together an together we must find the way forward. We over performed last year and this year we are suspect but it does not good to loose a good manager. We need to relook at how we are working rotgether and look at changes. we need to find a way through a 10 man defence because that is what they did today, just blocked us out. We also need ot concentrate on set pieces to do to others what is being done to us. I would hope we can all work together to resolve this without looking for Zola to go anywhere. It would be sad day[/p][/quote]First, try using a spell / grammar checker. Secondly, we did not overachieve. This is a pointless phrase - last season we generally played well and would have gone up had it not been for GZ's tactical ineptitude. Thirdly, he isnt a good manager, he has a woeful management record. Fourthly, what's this rubbish about a 10-man defence? If all teams defend the way you say, we'll end up with zero points this season. Nonsence. Finally, the way to work together would be to sack GZ and bring Steve Clarke in. HC[/p][/quote]I love the way you very patronisingly tell someone to use a spell checker and then can't even spell the word nonsense yourself. Very funny[/p][/quote]i did it on purpoise matey. Hornet Cornet

1:53pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Harry's Bar says...

edgrigg wrote:
I am afraid that we may be saying goodbye to Zola soon. Decent chap. Good player. Did well last season. However, if he can't turn it around and he seems to be admiting he doesn't know how (but then again if he did know how he would have done it by now) he will get the sack whatever we say. He has had access to some very talented players even if he choices may have been limited to whoever Udinese want to offload, but we have been out thought in game after game. The tactics used against us recently have been spot-on whereas ours seem clueless. Endlessly passing the ball round the midfield with no cutting edge or urgency has become the norm. Still, it'll be Christmas soon so we will have presents to unwrap so that should cheer us all up.
Yeah, another pair of socks from Aunty Maude.... whoopee!
[quote][p][bold]edgrigg[/bold] wrote: I am afraid that we may be saying goodbye to Zola soon. Decent chap. Good player. Did well last season. However, if he can't turn it around and he seems to be admiting he doesn't know how (but then again if he did know how he would have done it by now) he will get the sack whatever we say. He has had access to some very talented players even if he choices may have been limited to whoever Udinese want to offload, but we have been out thought in game after game. The tactics used against us recently have been spot-on whereas ours seem clueless. Endlessly passing the ball round the midfield with no cutting edge or urgency has become the norm. Still, it'll be Christmas soon so we will have presents to unwrap so that should cheer us all up.[/p][/quote]Yeah, another pair of socks from Aunty Maude.... whoopee! Harry's Bar

2:50pm Mon 16 Dec 13

stevyweavy says...

You are not trying everything if you continue to persevere with an unqualified assistant coach. End of!!! Nice to help friends but not at the expense of your own career surely?
You are not trying everything if you continue to persevere with an unqualified assistant coach. End of!!! Nice to help friends but not at the expense of your own career surely? stevyweavy

3:32pm Mon 16 Dec 13

anywayasiwasaying says...

rogeruk wrote:
and then what wrote:
Fantastic that Mr Big Boss reckons that his successful time managing companies across the globe can help him identify shortfalls in the capabilities of football managers. I am surprised he has time away from his busy schedule to post the negative horse droppings he does.
and then what ! Stereo typical chav!

Cannot debate the issues and deal with content! Closed mind, no counter argument, no sensible solutions, nothing of note, nothing of interest only insults. Certainly if not a communist definitely of communist mentality because communists don't like discussion they hate the truth!

Communists will stop the truth using any method! You cannot disagree with Communists they will never discuss with you! People who tell the truth are really Bad Bad Bad people! These mini dictators group together by phone, text and email to gang up on the truthers, when one of their own chavs posts an idiotic post with abuse they all clap it, that’s what we are dealing with here. They cannot deal or discuss the issues! For that they have to stop discussion by any means!

210 million people have been killed by communism nearly all for the crime of TELLING THE TRUTH! We will not be silenced by ignorant closed minded chavs! We are the truth warriors!
Rog - great to hear from you again. I asked you some time ago but you didn't respond so here goes again. Do you actually go to games....be truthful now...or does the nurse provide you with snippets and updates. Don't want to encourage you to insult and denigrate people as you normally do but just want a simple answer please.
[quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]and then what[/bold] wrote: Fantastic that Mr Big Boss reckons that his successful time managing companies across the globe can help him identify shortfalls in the capabilities of football managers. I am surprised he has time away from his busy schedule to post the negative horse droppings he does.[/p][/quote]and then what ! Stereo typical chav! Cannot debate the issues and deal with content! Closed mind, no counter argument, no sensible solutions, nothing of note, nothing of interest only insults. Certainly if not a communist definitely of communist mentality because communists don't like discussion they hate the truth! Communists will stop the truth using any method! You cannot disagree with Communists they will never discuss with you! People who tell the truth are really Bad Bad Bad people! These mini dictators group together by phone, text and email to gang up on the truthers, when one of their own chavs posts an idiotic post with abuse they all clap it, that’s what we are dealing with here. They cannot deal or discuss the issues! For that they have to stop discussion by any means! 210 million people have been killed by communism nearly all for the crime of TELLING THE TRUTH! We will not be silenced by ignorant closed minded chavs! We are the truth warriors![/p][/quote]Rog - great to hear from you again. I asked you some time ago but you didn't respond so here goes again. Do you actually go to games....be truthful now...or does the nurse provide you with snippets and updates. Don't want to encourage you to insult and denigrate people as you normally do but just want a simple answer please. anywayasiwasaying

5:10pm Mon 16 Dec 13

rogeruk says...

Hatfieldhorn wrote:
Dear Roger
I agree with you fully .................. so it is then a pity that you contradict yourself so fully.
You complain about personal insults while at the same time ......writing plenty of personal insults .
Yes your right we Watford fans were here long before the Pozzo,s and will be here long after they have gone , but not right in saying they are not allowed to do as they like. Right or wrong they own the club, they can do what ever they like !
Please point out in what way you or me mighy stop them.
Being a international manager you would understand that.
Yes your right personal insults from people who disagree with you is wrong.
So why do it ?
May be its because your a "Cabeza Grande" that people here get annoyed with you
Use www Freetranslation .com if you dont know what that means in English.
Mean while Watford FC have clearly got something going on behind closed doors but I would say no one here really knows what that is,

Zola did well last year with a ggod team
He could and should and could have done better but he changed it about to much and made basc errors

So how the hell is he gonna do better this year with a weakened team ?
Will the owners back the manager in Jan and let him bring players in from outside their own clubs.
Not backing Zola on the field is not fair to him.

I love Zola and respect the Pozzos , but I love Watford FC and respect its fans more.
Be good to each other Merry Christmas Craig
Thanks for one of the more sensible posts. It's not my style; personal insults! However, I saw the insults to other posters who may not have the same resistance as me to Bullying. It was more for them. I honestly don’t care less, if I don't respect somebody I am oblivious to their opinion.

What many fans don't like is an alternative opinion, if they don't agree with you they write the lowest form of insults - it’s pathetic, childish and very stupid! Unfortunately these people have no way to articulate an argument unless its violence or yelling insults, it’s the way they are! I think there is too many of them on the site.

If reason doesn't work then I will go down to their level in an attempt to show them what it is like to be insulted, because they don't understand empathy and they certainly don't practice it! Comment like sort it out Zola! And we love you Zola! It’s boring like watching paint dry, what’s worse they actually think it’s OK and funny!

I hope that explanation is sufficient! Sincerely hope we can move on, I think the Pozzos and the management let it go on too long, Zola was out of his depth and sinking, he should have been given help! He wasn't and we now have the situation we are in!

There are many Watford fans who know me, fans I introduced to Watford and got the bug! Watford is in my blood, we have new supporters which is good for the club, I would prefer it if they used their noise to support the team, but noise translated into writing doesn't work!
[quote][p][bold]Hatfieldhorn[/bold] wrote: Dear Roger I agree with you fully .................. so it is then a pity that you contradict yourself so fully. You complain about personal insults while at the same time ......writing plenty of personal insults . Yes your right we Watford fans were here long before the Pozzo,s and will be here long after they have gone , but not right in saying they are not allowed to do as they like. Right or wrong they own the club, they can do what ever they like ! Please point out in what way you or me mighy stop them. Being a international manager you would understand that. Yes your right personal insults from people who disagree with you is wrong. So why do it ? May be its because your a "Cabeza Grande" that people here get annoyed with you Use www Freetranslation .com if you dont know what that means in English. Mean while Watford FC have clearly got something going on behind closed doors but I would say no one here really knows what that is, Zola did well last year with a ggod team He could and should and could have done better but he changed it about to much and made basc errors So how the hell is he gonna do better this year with a weakened team ? Will the owners back the manager in Jan and let him bring players in from outside their own clubs. Not backing Zola on the field is not fair to him. I love Zola and respect the Pozzos , but I love Watford FC and respect its fans more. Be good to each other Merry Christmas Craig[/p][/quote]Thanks for one of the more sensible posts. It's not my style; personal insults! However, I saw the insults to other posters who may not have the same resistance as me to Bullying. It was more for them. I honestly don’t care less, if I don't respect somebody I am oblivious to their opinion. What many fans don't like is an alternative opinion, if they don't agree with you they write the lowest form of insults - it’s pathetic, childish and very stupid! Unfortunately these people have no way to articulate an argument unless its violence or yelling insults, it’s the way they are! I think there is too many of them on the site. If reason doesn't work then I will go down to their level in an attempt to show them what it is like to be insulted, because they don't understand empathy and they certainly don't practice it! Comment like sort it out Zola! And we love you Zola! It’s boring like watching paint dry, what’s worse they actually think it’s OK and funny! I hope that explanation is sufficient! Sincerely hope we can move on, I think the Pozzos and the management let it go on too long, Zola was out of his depth and sinking, he should have been given help! He wasn't and we now have the situation we are in! There are many Watford fans who know me, fans I introduced to Watford and got the bug! Watford is in my blood, we have new supporters which is good for the club, I would prefer it if they used their noise to support the team, but noise translated into writing doesn't work! rogeruk

5:15pm Mon 16 Dec 13

rogeruk says...

mellow yellow wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
Bush Hornet wrote:
Managers come and go. Players come and go. But this site will always have its unhinged keyboard warriors. Hornet cornet, rogeruk and demerit, you are sad, lonely folk. I'd love to lock you in room 101 together and throw away the key.

On a happier note, great to see the legend Graham Taylor back at the Vic.
Keith mercer how sad are you is that your name?

I am one of the bad people on here - our crime? To tell the truth! We are the truth warriors fighting ignorance and sheepleiszm whose only weapon (because they are not very bright) is personal insults and bullying.

We will not be silenced!
Roger: you criticise people for doing the same as you. How hypocritical can you get?! Who are these 'sheeple' to whom you refer? Anyone who disagrees with your views.. Is that because you are the truth, the light and the way? And what if Keith Mercer is his name? What if it isn't? Mine is not mellow yellow, and I very much doubt yours is RogerUK. What's your point? In more ways than one.

And here's a thought for you.. If Zola turns this around, what will you say then? That he has read your posts on being a successful international businessman with a host of language skills and has been inspired by you? Well...
You're definitely on my Christmas card list, humour of that quality makes you OK with me.

Merry Christmas.
[quote][p][bold]mellow yellow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bush Hornet[/bold] wrote: Managers come and go. Players come and go. But this site will always have its unhinged keyboard warriors. Hornet cornet, rogeruk and demerit, you are sad, lonely folk. I'd love to lock you in room 101 together and throw away the key. On a happier note, great to see the legend Graham Taylor back at the Vic.[/p][/quote]Keith mercer how sad are you is that your name? I am one of the bad people on here - our crime? To tell the truth! We are the truth warriors fighting ignorance and sheepleiszm whose only weapon (because they are not very bright) is personal insults and bullying. We will not be silenced![/p][/quote]Roger: you criticise people for doing the same as you. How hypocritical can you get?! Who are these 'sheeple' to whom you refer? Anyone who disagrees with your views.. Is that because you are the truth, the light and the way? And what if Keith Mercer is his name? What if it isn't? Mine is not mellow yellow, and I very much doubt yours is RogerUK. What's your point? In more ways than one. And here's a thought for you.. If Zola turns this around, what will you say then? That he has read your posts on being a successful international businessman with a host of language skills and has been inspired by you? Well...[/p][/quote]You're definitely on my Christmas card list, humour of that quality makes you OK with me. Merry Christmas. rogeruk

5:16pm Mon 16 Dec 13

rogeruk says...

mellow yellow wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
Bush Hornet wrote:
Managers come and go. Players come and go. But this site will always have its unhinged keyboard warriors. Hornet cornet, rogeruk and demerit, you are sad, lonely folk. I'd love to lock you in room 101 together and throw away the key.

On a happier note, great to see the legend Graham Taylor back at the Vic.
Keith mercer how sad are you is that your name?

I am one of the bad people on here - our crime? To tell the truth! We are the truth warriors fighting ignorance and sheepleiszm whose only weapon (because they are not very bright) is personal insults and bullying.

We will not be silenced!
Roger: you criticise people for doing the same as you. How hypocritical can you get?! Who are these 'sheeple' to whom you refer? Anyone who disagrees with your views.. Is that because you are the truth, the light and the way? And what if Keith Mercer is his name? What if it isn't? Mine is not mellow yellow, and I very much doubt yours is RogerUK. What's your point? In more ways than one.

And here's a thought for you.. If Zola turns this around, what will you say then? That he has read your posts on being a successful international businessman with a host of language skills and has been inspired by you? Well...
If if if if if If if - any idea where you are going wrong?
[quote][p][bold]mellow yellow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bush Hornet[/bold] wrote: Managers come and go. Players come and go. But this site will always have its unhinged keyboard warriors. Hornet cornet, rogeruk and demerit, you are sad, lonely folk. I'd love to lock you in room 101 together and throw away the key. On a happier note, great to see the legend Graham Taylor back at the Vic.[/p][/quote]Keith mercer how sad are you is that your name? I am one of the bad people on here - our crime? To tell the truth! We are the truth warriors fighting ignorance and sheepleiszm whose only weapon (because they are not very bright) is personal insults and bullying. We will not be silenced![/p][/quote]Roger: you criticise people for doing the same as you. How hypocritical can you get?! Who are these 'sheeple' to whom you refer? Anyone who disagrees with your views.. Is that because you are the truth, the light and the way? And what if Keith Mercer is his name? What if it isn't? Mine is not mellow yellow, and I very much doubt yours is RogerUK. What's your point? In more ways than one. And here's a thought for you.. If Zola turns this around, what will you say then? That he has read your posts on being a successful international businessman with a host of language skills and has been inspired by you? Well...[/p][/quote]If if if if if If if - any idea where you are going wrong? rogeruk

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