Who was your Watford man of the match against QPR?

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It wasn’t the most entertaining match but there were a few impressive individual displays by Watford players during the 0-0 draw with QPR. Who was your pick of the bunch?

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10:03am Mon 30 Dec 13

haversham hornet says...

Without doubt Sean Murray, just a pity Fabrini couldn't put the same amount of effect in when the opposition has the ball!,
Without doubt Sean Murray, just a pity Fabrini couldn't put the same amount of effect in when the opposition has the ball!, haversham hornet

10:15am Mon 30 Dec 13

Stoney77 says...

I went for Deeney as I can't remember him doing anything wrong. He held the ball up well, won a lot of headers, showed great composure and skill to set up Murray's blocked shot in the 1st half and Fabrrinis chance in the 2nd. With a bit more support for him we would have threatened their goal more. Shame he wondered off-side a couple of times late on.
Re Murray, it was nice to hear the crowd sing his name loudly, both during and after the game. Keep up the good work.
I went for Deeney as I can't remember him doing anything wrong. He held the ball up well, won a lot of headers, showed great composure and skill to set up Murray's blocked shot in the 1st half and Fabrrinis chance in the 2nd. With a bit more support for him we would have threatened their goal more. Shame he wondered off-side a couple of times late on. Re Murray, it was nice to hear the crowd sing his name loudly, both during and after the game. Keep up the good work. Stoney77

10:20am Mon 30 Dec 13

jasonwatford says...

Angella was calm and solid....Ekstrand and Doyley didn't have best of games
Angella was calm and solid....Ekstrand and Doyley didn't have best of games jasonwatford

10:24am Mon 30 Dec 13

The BestTrip2011 says...

Bellerin for me, Murray also tried hard for 90mins. Fabbrini - for pity's sake pass the effing ball will ya and help out more when we don't have the ball.
Bellerin for me, Murray also tried hard for 90mins. Fabbrini - for pity's sake pass the effing ball will ya and help out more when we don't have the ball. The BestTrip2011

10:31am Mon 30 Dec 13

Summer breeze says...

Disagree with WO comments: thought it was a great game with a hard-won result for the boys
Disagree with WO comments: thought it was a great game with a hard-won result for the boys Summer breeze

10:33am Mon 30 Dec 13

Watforce says...

I thought Angella kept things calm at the back and sorted out a couple of dangerous efforts, but overall I thought Murray was outstanding in closing QPR down and being quick to set-up attacks. He looks like he's getting his Mojo back.
I don't like the Fabbrini sniping much, he is a talented guy without much match time. He needs to learn how to deal with the physicality of the Championship/English football, but earlier in the season when he was a regular sub, he a had significant role in winning or saving matches.
I actually though he linked up better with Deeney than FF, in a game which was against premiership quality opponents.
A great point and confidence builder for the New Year/Buon Anno, well done lads, COYH!
I thought Angella kept things calm at the back and sorted out a couple of dangerous efforts, but overall I thought Murray was outstanding in closing QPR down and being quick to set-up attacks. He looks like he's getting his Mojo back. I don't like the Fabbrini sniping much, he is a talented guy without much match time. He needs to learn how to deal with the physicality of the Championship/English football, but earlier in the season when he was a regular sub, he a had significant role in winning or saving matches. I actually though he linked up better with Deeney than FF, in a game which was against premiership quality opponents. A great point and confidence builder for the New Year/Buon Anno, well done lads, COYH! Watforce

10:34am Mon 30 Dec 13

Ramageland says...

I obviously missed both of the goals.
I obviously missed both of the goals. Ramageland

10:40am Mon 30 Dec 13

Mickey Quinn, not so thin says...

Why on earth don't they leave it open to all who played rather than subjectively picking 4 names and "other" ?? Surely they can provide up to 14 buttons without us all being confused who to pick ?? Sean or Angella for me...
Why on earth don't they leave it open to all who played rather than subjectively picking 4 names and "other" ?? Surely they can provide up to 14 buttons without us all being confused who to pick ?? Sean or Angella for me... Mickey Quinn, not so thin

10:42am Mon 30 Dec 13

matey_from_brighton says...

jasonwatford wrote:
Angella was calm and solid....Ekstrand and Doyley didn't have best of games
what exactly did Ekstrand and Doyley do badly other than a few wayward passes by Ekstrand early on? The defence has to play as a unit which they did pretty effectively yesterday.
[quote][p][bold]jasonwatford[/bold] wrote: Angella was calm and solid....Ekstrand and Doyley didn't have best of games[/p][/quote]what exactly did Ekstrand and Doyley do badly other than a few wayward passes by Ekstrand early on? The defence has to play as a unit which they did pretty effectively yesterday. matey_from_brighton

11:16am Mon 30 Dec 13

rousman 2 says...

Angella for me did not put a foot wrong. Who did the MOM at the ground yesterday ? Fabbrini any one but I would have been ok with, still it gave a lot of people a laugh leaving the ground yesterday.
Angella for me did not put a foot wrong. Who did the MOM at the ground yesterday ? Fabbrini any one but I would have been ok with, still it gave a lot of people a laugh leaving the ground yesterday. rousman 2

11:30am Mon 30 Dec 13

SAHornet says...

The BestTrip2011 wrote:
Bellerin for me, Murray also tried hard for 90mins. Fabbrini - for pity's sake pass the effing ball will ya and help out more when we don't have the ball.
Couldn't agree more Keith. Thought he was really poor tbh
[quote][p][bold]The BestTrip2011[/bold] wrote: Bellerin for me, Murray also tried hard for 90mins. Fabbrini - for pity's sake pass the effing ball will ya and help out more when we don't have the ball.[/p][/quote]Couldn't agree more Keith. Thought he was really poor tbh SAHornet

11:35am Mon 30 Dec 13

tiger bay says...

matey_from_brighton wrote:
jasonwatford wrote:
Angella was calm and solid....Ekstrand and Doyley didn't have best of games
what exactly did Ekstrand and Doyley do badly other than a few wayward passes by Ekstrand early on? The defence has to play as a unit which they did pretty effectively yesterday.
What did Doyley do wrong?? How long u got?? Head the ball off, kick the ball off, shin the ball off, back off and off and off without getting a tackle in, tripped over the ball once, caught out of position several times, failed to block a constant stream of crosses from his side...apart from that he had a cracker...
[quote][p][bold]matey_from_brighton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jasonwatford[/bold] wrote: Angella was calm and solid....Ekstrand and Doyley didn't have best of games[/p][/quote]what exactly did Ekstrand and Doyley do badly other than a few wayward passes by Ekstrand early on? The defence has to play as a unit which they did pretty effectively yesterday.[/p][/quote]What did Doyley do wrong?? How long u got?? Head the ball off, kick the ball off, shin the ball off, back off and off and off without getting a tackle in, tripped over the ball once, caught out of position several times, failed to block a constant stream of crosses from his side...apart from that he had a cracker... tiger bay

12:09pm Mon 30 Dec 13

jasonwatford says...

tiger bay wrote:
matey_from_brighton wrote:
jasonwatford wrote:
Angella was calm and solid....Ekstrand and Doyley didn't have best of games
what exactly did Ekstrand and Doyley do badly other than a few wayward passes by Ekstrand early on? The defence has to play as a unit which they did pretty effectively yesterday.
What did Doyley do wrong?? How long u got?? Head the ball off, kick the ball off, shin the ball off, back off and off and off without getting a tackle in, tripped over the ball once, caught out of position several times, failed to block a constant stream of crosses from his side...apart from that he had a cracker...
Eskstrand passing is awful going forward at the moment plus he runs into space and first thought is to pass sideways to Angella all the time. Doyley had one of those games where his fifty pence head and foot were in full flight. They were not awful but not good...At least when Angella got on the ball you felt comfortable
[quote][p][bold]tiger bay[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]matey_from_brighton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jasonwatford[/bold] wrote: Angella was calm and solid....Ekstrand and Doyley didn't have best of games[/p][/quote]what exactly did Ekstrand and Doyley do badly other than a few wayward passes by Ekstrand early on? The defence has to play as a unit which they did pretty effectively yesterday.[/p][/quote]What did Doyley do wrong?? How long u got?? Head the ball off, kick the ball off, shin the ball off, back off and off and off without getting a tackle in, tripped over the ball once, caught out of position several times, failed to block a constant stream of crosses from his side...apart from that he had a cracker...[/p][/quote]Eskstrand passing is awful going forward at the moment plus he runs into space and first thought is to pass sideways to Angella all the time. Doyley had one of those games where his fifty pence head and foot were in full flight. They were not awful but not good...At least when Angella got on the ball you felt comfortable jasonwatford

12:47pm Mon 30 Dec 13

matey_from_brighton says...

tiger bay wrote:
matey_from_brighton wrote:
jasonwatford wrote:
Angella was calm and solid....Ekstrand and Doyley didn't have best of games
what exactly did Ekstrand and Doyley do badly other than a few wayward passes by Ekstrand early on? The defence has to play as a unit which they did pretty effectively yesterday.
What did Doyley do wrong?? How long u got?? Head the ball off, kick the ball off, shin the ball off, back off and off and off without getting a tackle in, tripped over the ball once, caught out of position several times, failed to block a constant stream of crosses from his side...apart from that he had a cracker...
Judging from that then we must have let quite a few goals in what with the constant stream of crosses coming in or Almunia must have made a string of great saves.

oh hold on...
[quote][p][bold]tiger bay[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]matey_from_brighton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jasonwatford[/bold] wrote: Angella was calm and solid....Ekstrand and Doyley didn't have best of games[/p][/quote]what exactly did Ekstrand and Doyley do badly other than a few wayward passes by Ekstrand early on? The defence has to play as a unit which they did pretty effectively yesterday.[/p][/quote]What did Doyley do wrong?? How long u got?? Head the ball off, kick the ball off, shin the ball off, back off and off and off without getting a tackle in, tripped over the ball once, caught out of position several times, failed to block a constant stream of crosses from his side...apart from that he had a cracker...[/p][/quote]Judging from that then we must have let quite a few goals in what with the constant stream of crosses coming in or Almunia must have made a string of great saves. oh hold on... matey_from_brighton

12:58pm Mon 30 Dec 13

holtonian says...

Angella for me he is a stand out player. He seems to bring out the best out of Lloyd.
Angella for me he is a stand out player. He seems to bring out the best out of Lloyd. holtonian

1:50pm Mon 30 Dec 13

London 'Orn says...

Doyley plays and we don't concede. The opposition had one - one - shot on target. It was an excellent defensive performance, sure Angella was the stand-out player but he didn't do it alone and Thorne shielding the back 3 was excellent.

Some of the comments on here - and in the stands - about Doyley are moronic. He is not the most technically gifted, but he can defend. People scream for him to tackle when he is superb at shepherding a player with the ball away from the danger area while allowing reinforcements to arrive in defence. He hasn't had a ten year career at this level by accident, you know.
Doyley plays and we don't concede. The opposition had one - one - shot on target. It was an excellent defensive performance, sure Angella was the stand-out player but he didn't do it alone and Thorne shielding the back 3 was excellent. Some of the comments on here - and in the stands - about Doyley are moronic. He is not the most technically gifted, but he can defend. People scream for him to tackle when he is superb at shepherding a player with the ball away from the danger area while allowing reinforcements to arrive in defence. He hasn't had a ten year career at this level by accident, you know. London 'Orn

2:08pm Mon 30 Dec 13

jasonwatford says...

London 'Orn wrote:
Doyley plays and we don't concede. The opposition had one - one - shot on target. It was an excellent defensive performance, sure Angella was the stand-out player but he didn't do it alone and Thorne shielding the back 3 was excellent.

Some of the comments on here - and in the stands - about Doyley are moronic. He is not the most technically gifted, but he can defend. People scream for him to tackle when he is superb at shepherding a player with the ball away from the danger area while allowing reinforcements to arrive in defence. He hasn't had a ten year career at this level by accident, you know.
Some of that is true...can you also explain to me that of the 8 managers he has played for before who all rate him as the best one on one defender they have ever worked with never had try to buy him when they have moved to other clubs ??? Also when last year he was out of contract no one made a move for him ?? They had one shot on target with no strikers on the pitch so that may answer that question.
[quote][p][bold]London 'Orn[/bold] wrote: Doyley plays and we don't concede. The opposition had one - one - shot on target. It was an excellent defensive performance, sure Angella was the stand-out player but he didn't do it alone and Thorne shielding the back 3 was excellent. Some of the comments on here - and in the stands - about Doyley are moronic. He is not the most technically gifted, but he can defend. People scream for him to tackle when he is superb at shepherding a player with the ball away from the danger area while allowing reinforcements to arrive in defence. He hasn't had a ten year career at this level by accident, you know.[/p][/quote]Some of that is true...can you also explain to me that of the 8 managers he has played for before who all rate him as the best one on one defender they have ever worked with never had try to buy him when they have moved to other clubs ??? Also when last year he was out of contract no one made a move for him ?? They had one shot on target with no strikers on the pitch so that may answer that question. jasonwatford

2:36pm Mon 30 Dec 13

LoveKeithDublin says...

I thought Acuna looked good when he came on - if only Deeney had his desire when it comes to heading the ball.

Every week Deeney just backs into the central defender, doesn't jump and loses the header - Acuna actually shows desire and takes a running leap, great to see!

Solid performance all round though, loving the new boss' passion
I thought Acuna looked good when he came on - if only Deeney had his desire when it comes to heading the ball. Every week Deeney just backs into the central defender, doesn't jump and loses the header - Acuna actually shows desire and takes a running leap, great to see! Solid performance all round though, loving the new boss' passion LoveKeithDublin

2:55pm Mon 30 Dec 13

RobboBTC says...

I thought Murray got better as the game wore on and impressed me with his work rate. With regards to miss-placed passes from the back three I thought that was largely down to the lack of options going forward, caused by QPR getting numbers behind the ball and limiting the space to play. As for Fabrinni I personally think he is the one player who can mix things up, using his trickery and creating space and options. Granted he got caught in posession a few times yesterday but you have to ask what options were availble, as in the 2nd half in particular we were breaking from deep and it was only him and maybe one other pushing forward on the break. He was instrumental in our best chance of the game, playing a one-two in the box and with a better placed shot would have put us one up. Also in the 1st half he ran at the QPR defence and his trickery should have provided us with a penalty, it looked like a stone wall penalty to me, although I was right up the other end of the ground! At the end of the day the QPR squad is full of Premiership standard players and we stood toe to toe with them and did ourselves proud, if we can take that level of performance forward then we should soon start climbing the table.
I thought Murray got better as the game wore on and impressed me with his work rate. With regards to miss-placed passes from the back three I thought that was largely down to the lack of options going forward, caused by QPR getting numbers behind the ball and limiting the space to play. As for Fabrinni I personally think he is the one player who can mix things up, using his trickery and creating space and options. Granted he got caught in posession a few times yesterday but you have to ask what options were availble, as in the 2nd half in particular we were breaking from deep and it was only him and maybe one other pushing forward on the break. He was instrumental in our best chance of the game, playing a one-two in the box and with a better placed shot would have put us one up. Also in the 1st half he ran at the QPR defence and his trickery should have provided us with a penalty, it looked like a stone wall penalty to me, although I was right up the other end of the ground! At the end of the day the QPR squad is full of Premiership standard players and we stood toe to toe with them and did ourselves proud, if we can take that level of performance forward then we should soon start climbing the table. RobboBTC

3:41pm Mon 30 Dec 13

relegation says...

George Thorne reminds me of Ross Jenkins....Anonymous
George Thorne reminds me of Ross Jenkins....Anonymous relegation

3:41pm Mon 30 Dec 13

francowatford says...

matey_from_brighton wrote:
jasonwatford wrote: Angella was calm and solid....Ekstrand and Doyley didn't have best of games
what exactly did Ekstrand and Doyley do badly other than a few wayward passes by Ekstrand early on? The defence has to play as a unit which they did pretty effectively yesterday.
Clean sheet = well played defence
[quote][p][bold]matey_from_brighton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jasonwatford[/bold] wrote: Angella was calm and solid....Ekstrand and Doyley didn't have best of games[/p][/quote]what exactly did Ekstrand and Doyley do badly other than a few wayward passes by Ekstrand early on? The defence has to play as a unit which they did pretty effectively yesterday.[/p][/quote]Clean sheet = well played defence francowatford

4:04pm Mon 30 Dec 13

PozzoHornet says...

matey_from_brighton wrote:
tiger bay wrote:
matey_from_brighton wrote:
jasonwatford wrote:
Angella was calm and solid....Ekstrand and Doyley didn't have best of games
what exactly did Ekstrand and Doyley do badly other than a few wayward passes by Ekstrand early on? The defence has to play as a unit which they did pretty effectively yesterday.
What did Doyley do wrong?? How long u got?? Head the ball off, kick the ball off, shin the ball off, back off and off and off without getting a tackle in, tripped over the ball once, caught out of position several times, failed to block a constant stream of crosses from his side...apart from that he had a cracker...
Judging from that then we must have let quite a few goals in what with the constant stream of crosses coming in or Almunia must have made a string of great saves.

oh hold on...
Probably more of a reflection on QPR's lack of a centre forward in the middle to get his head on it. A stream of crosses is an exaggeration, but only because Hoilett preferred to cut inside Lloyd, rather than take him down the line. In Lloyd's defence, he had barely any help from Cassetti, who could often be found jogging back from our most recent foray into the opposition half while Lloyd was trying to deal with a tricky and pacy winger. Overall, Lloyd didn't disgrace himself defensively, nor was his passing as woeful as some are making out, but he was not as reliable as we have come to expect. Just my view on it.
[quote][p][bold]matey_from_brighton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tiger bay[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]matey_from_brighton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jasonwatford[/bold] wrote: Angella was calm and solid....Ekstrand and Doyley didn't have best of games[/p][/quote]what exactly did Ekstrand and Doyley do badly other than a few wayward passes by Ekstrand early on? The defence has to play as a unit which they did pretty effectively yesterday.[/p][/quote]What did Doyley do wrong?? How long u got?? Head the ball off, kick the ball off, shin the ball off, back off and off and off without getting a tackle in, tripped over the ball once, caught out of position several times, failed to block a constant stream of crosses from his side...apart from that he had a cracker...[/p][/quote]Judging from that then we must have let quite a few goals in what with the constant stream of crosses coming in or Almunia must have made a string of great saves. oh hold on...[/p][/quote]Probably more of a reflection on QPR's lack of a centre forward in the middle to get his head on it. A stream of crosses is an exaggeration, but only because Hoilett preferred to cut inside Lloyd, rather than take him down the line. In Lloyd's defence, he had barely any help from Cassetti, who could often be found jogging back from our most recent foray into the opposition half while Lloyd was trying to deal with a tricky and pacy winger. Overall, Lloyd didn't disgrace himself defensively, nor was his passing as woeful as some are making out, but he was not as reliable as we have come to expect. Just my view on it. PozzoHornet

4:12pm Mon 30 Dec 13

PozzoHornet says...

RobboBTC wrote:
I thought Murray got better as the game wore on and impressed me with his work rate. With regards to miss-placed passes from the back three I thought that was largely down to the lack of options going forward, caused by QPR getting numbers behind the ball and limiting the space to play. As for Fabrinni I personally think he is the one player who can mix things up, using his trickery and creating space and options. Granted he got caught in posession a few times yesterday but you have to ask what options were availble, as in the 2nd half in particular we were breaking from deep and it was only him and maybe one other pushing forward on the break. He was instrumental in our best chance of the game, playing a one-two in the box and with a better placed shot would have put us one up. Also in the 1st half he ran at the QPR defence and his trickery should have provided us with a penalty, it looked like a stone wall penalty to me, although I was right up the other end of the ground! At the end of the day the QPR squad is full of Premiership standard players and we stood toe to toe with them and did ourselves proud, if we can take that level of performance forward then we should soon start climbing the table.
Defo not a pen, and I was at the same end of the ground as you. They didn't even show it in the extended highlights on FLS, and they were desperate to show something interesting in that highlight reel. The problem with Fabbrini is he is currently not good enough to play such an instrumental role in the team. 'Caught in possession a few times'? A slight understatement. Not only that, but his passing was terrible. Forestieri would have put that chance away, as he's sharper in front of goal than Fabbrini.
[quote][p][bold]RobboBTC[/bold] wrote: I thought Murray got better as the game wore on and impressed me with his work rate. With regards to miss-placed passes from the back three I thought that was largely down to the lack of options going forward, caused by QPR getting numbers behind the ball and limiting the space to play. As for Fabrinni I personally think he is the one player who can mix things up, using his trickery and creating space and options. Granted he got caught in posession a few times yesterday but you have to ask what options were availble, as in the 2nd half in particular we were breaking from deep and it was only him and maybe one other pushing forward on the break. He was instrumental in our best chance of the game, playing a one-two in the box and with a better placed shot would have put us one up. Also in the 1st half he ran at the QPR defence and his trickery should have provided us with a penalty, it looked like a stone wall penalty to me, although I was right up the other end of the ground! At the end of the day the QPR squad is full of Premiership standard players and we stood toe to toe with them and did ourselves proud, if we can take that level of performance forward then we should soon start climbing the table.[/p][/quote]Defo not a pen, and I was at the same end of the ground as you. They didn't even show it in the extended highlights on FLS, and they were desperate to show something interesting in that highlight reel. The problem with Fabbrini is he is currently not good enough to play such an instrumental role in the team. 'Caught in possession a few times'? A slight understatement. Not only that, but his passing was terrible. Forestieri would have put that chance away, as he's sharper in front of goal than Fabbrini. PozzoHornet

4:19pm Mon 30 Dec 13

andyhooked says...

Has to be Troy for me he ran his socks off. Murray a very close second then the defensive unit. What a bore though!!.
Has to be Troy for me he ran his socks off. Murray a very close second then the defensive unit. What a bore though!!. andyhooked

4:40pm Mon 30 Dec 13

harrowboy says...

London 'Orn wrote:
Doyley plays and we don't concede. The opposition had one - one - shot on target. It was an excellent defensive performance, sure Angella was the stand-out player but he didn't do it alone and Thorne shielding the back 3 was excellent.

Some of the comments on here - and in the stands - about Doyley are moronic. He is not the most technically gifted, but he can defend. People scream for him to tackle when he is superb at shepherding a player with the ball away from the danger area while allowing reinforcements to arrive in defence. He hasn't had a ten year career at this level by accident, you know.
One of the most sensible posts on here for ages.
Someone who understands modern football and Lloyd's qualities.
Also thought Bellerin had a good game considering he was played out of position i.e.on the left.
[quote][p][bold]London 'Orn[/bold] wrote: Doyley plays and we don't concede. The opposition had one - one - shot on target. It was an excellent defensive performance, sure Angella was the stand-out player but he didn't do it alone and Thorne shielding the back 3 was excellent. Some of the comments on here - and in the stands - about Doyley are moronic. He is not the most technically gifted, but he can defend. People scream for him to tackle when he is superb at shepherding a player with the ball away from the danger area while allowing reinforcements to arrive in defence. He hasn't had a ten year career at this level by accident, you know.[/p][/quote]One of the most sensible posts on here for ages. Someone who understands modern football and Lloyd's qualities. Also thought Bellerin had a good game considering he was played out of position i.e.on the left. harrowboy

4:48pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Boosey says...

Murray and Deeney had good games, Ekstrand and Doyley a bit below par but did ok and sorry, McGugan is pants!
Thought the crowd with their vocal support had a good game as well.
Murray and Deeney had good games, Ekstrand and Doyley a bit below par but did ok and sorry, McGugan is pants! Thought the crowd with their vocal support had a good game as well. Boosey

5:08pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Stoney77 says...

jasonwatford wrote:
London 'Orn wrote:
Doyley plays and we don't concede. The opposition had one - one - shot on target. It was an excellent defensive performance, sure Angella was the stand-out player but he didn't do it alone and Thorne shielding the back 3 was excellent.

Some of the comments on here - and in the stands - about Doyley are moronic. He is not the most technically gifted, but he can defend. People scream for him to tackle when he is superb at shepherding a player with the ball away from the danger area while allowing reinforcements to arrive in defence. He hasn't had a ten year career at this level by accident, you know.
Some of that is true...can you also explain to me that of the 8 managers he has played for before who all rate him as the best one on one defender they have ever worked with never had try to buy him when they have moved to other clubs ??? Also when last year he was out of contract no one made a move for him ?? They had one shot on target with no strikers on the pitch so that may answer that question.
I don't buy the anti Doyley argument about none of his 8 previous managers ever trying to buy him after they have moved to other clubs:
1. How does anyone actually know if these managers made an enquiry - only for LD to turn it down?
2. Vialli, Lewington, Boothroyd were all sacked and did not return to a team who would have a hypothetical interest in signing him i.e a championship team
Zola and Sannino haven't had the chance to show interest in signing him so that's 5 out of your 8 managers accounted for.
This leaves MM, BR and SD: yes you could argue that these managers haven't (publicly) tried to sign Doyley but have these managers tried to sign other players - Deeney for example?? We all rate Deeney but you can't say that Deeney is over-rated and use the argument that MM, BR and SD have not come in for him as your justification.
At the end of the say, Doyley is a top championship defender, IMO. His distribution improved markedly under Zola. Yes he still has weaknesses, but he excels at what he does. He keeps on defying the odds and his critics, and has done enough to be selected as first choice defender by all 8 managers.
[quote][p][bold]jasonwatford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London 'Orn[/bold] wrote: Doyley plays and we don't concede. The opposition had one - one - shot on target. It was an excellent defensive performance, sure Angella was the stand-out player but he didn't do it alone and Thorne shielding the back 3 was excellent. Some of the comments on here - and in the stands - about Doyley are moronic. He is not the most technically gifted, but he can defend. People scream for him to tackle when he is superb at shepherding a player with the ball away from the danger area while allowing reinforcements to arrive in defence. He hasn't had a ten year career at this level by accident, you know.[/p][/quote]Some of that is true...can you also explain to me that of the 8 managers he has played for before who all rate him as the best one on one defender they have ever worked with never had try to buy him when they have moved to other clubs ??? Also when last year he was out of contract no one made a move for him ?? They had one shot on target with no strikers on the pitch so that may answer that question.[/p][/quote]I don't buy the anti Doyley argument about none of his 8 previous managers ever trying to buy him after they have moved to other clubs: 1. How does anyone actually know if these managers made an enquiry - only for LD to turn it down? 2. Vialli, Lewington, Boothroyd were all sacked and did not return to a team who would have a hypothetical interest in signing him i.e a championship team Zola and Sannino haven't had the chance to show interest in signing him so that's 5 out of your 8 managers accounted for. This leaves MM, BR and SD: yes you could argue that these managers haven't (publicly) tried to sign Doyley but have these managers tried to sign other players - Deeney for example?? We all rate Deeney but you can't say that Deeney is over-rated and use the argument that MM, BR and SD have not come in for him as your justification. At the end of the say, Doyley is a top championship defender, IMO. His distribution improved markedly under Zola. Yes he still has weaknesses, but he excels at what he does. He keeps on defying the odds and his critics, and has done enough to be selected as first choice defender by all 8 managers. Stoney77

5:26pm Mon 30 Dec 13

esercito giallo says...

Boosey wrote:
Murray and Deeney had good games, Ekstrand and Doyley a bit below par but did ok and sorry, McGugan is pants!
Thought the crowd with their vocal support had a good game as well.
And don't forget our Man at the helm Boosey. Sannino deserves a pat on the back for steadying the ship.
[quote][p][bold]Boosey[/bold] wrote: Murray and Deeney had good games, Ekstrand and Doyley a bit below par but did ok and sorry, McGugan is pants! Thought the crowd with their vocal support had a good game as well.[/p][/quote]And don't forget our Man at the helm Boosey. Sannino deserves a pat on the back for steadying the ship. esercito giallo

6:11pm Mon 30 Dec 13

SuperHorn says...

The BestTrip2011 wrote:
Bellerin for me, Murray also tried hard for 90mins. Fabbrini - for pity's sake pass the effing ball will ya and help out more when we don't have the ball.
I completely agree. Bellerin was fantastic and Fabbrini lay on the floor for ages every time he went down..he potentially could be quality if he passed the ball and put in more effort
[quote][p][bold]The BestTrip2011[/bold] wrote: Bellerin for me, Murray also tried hard for 90mins. Fabbrini - for pity's sake pass the effing ball will ya and help out more when we don't have the ball.[/p][/quote]I completely agree. Bellerin was fantastic and Fabbrini lay on the floor for ages every time he went down..he potentially could be quality if he passed the ball and put in more effort SuperHorn

6:13pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Big Cliff was King says...

Stoney77 wrote:
jasonwatford wrote:
London 'Orn wrote:
Doyley plays and we don't concede. The opposition had one - one - shot on target. It was an excellent defensive performance, sure Angella was the stand-out player but he didn't do it alone and Thorne shielding the back 3 was excellent.

Some of the comments on here - and in the stands - about Doyley are moronic. He is not the most technically gifted, but he can defend. People scream for him to tackle when he is superb at shepherding a player with the ball away from the danger area while allowing reinforcements to arrive in defence. He hasn't had a ten year career at this level by accident, you know.
Some of that is true...can you also explain to me that of the 8 managers he has played for before who all rate him as the best one on one defender they have ever worked with never had try to buy him when they have moved to other clubs ??? Also when last year he was out of contract no one made a move for him ?? They had one shot on target with no strikers on the pitch so that may answer that question.
I don't buy the anti Doyley argument about none of his 8 previous managers ever trying to buy him after they have moved to other clubs:
1. How does anyone actually know if these managers made an enquiry - only for LD to turn it down?
2. Vialli, Lewington, Boothroyd were all sacked and did not return to a team who would have a hypothetical interest in signing him i.e a championship team
Zola and Sannino haven't had the chance to show interest in signing him so that's 5 out of your 8 managers accounted for.
This leaves MM, BR and SD: yes you could argue that these managers haven't (publicly) tried to sign Doyley but have these managers tried to sign other players - Deeney for example?? We all rate Deeney but you can't say that Deeney is over-rated and use the argument that MM, BR and SD have not come in for him as your justification.
At the end of the say, Doyley is a top championship defender, IMO. His distribution improved markedly under Zola. Yes he still has weaknesses, but he excels at what he does. He keeps on defying the odds and his critics, and has done enough to be selected as first choice defender by all 8 managers.
Well said.
Doyley is out for 5 games and we let in 8 goals, lose 3 games and a manager. He comes back and we let in 1 goal (a dodgy penalty) in 3 games and finally win a game.
The anti Doyley elements should reflect on their error and repent and then make a new years resolution to start supporting a true Watford legend.
[quote][p][bold]Stoney77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jasonwatford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London 'Orn[/bold] wrote: Doyley plays and we don't concede. The opposition had one - one - shot on target. It was an excellent defensive performance, sure Angella was the stand-out player but he didn't do it alone and Thorne shielding the back 3 was excellent. Some of the comments on here - and in the stands - about Doyley are moronic. He is not the most technically gifted, but he can defend. People scream for him to tackle when he is superb at shepherding a player with the ball away from the danger area while allowing reinforcements to arrive in defence. He hasn't had a ten year career at this level by accident, you know.[/p][/quote]Some of that is true...can you also explain to me that of the 8 managers he has played for before who all rate him as the best one on one defender they have ever worked with never had try to buy him when they have moved to other clubs ??? Also when last year he was out of contract no one made a move for him ?? They had one shot on target with no strikers on the pitch so that may answer that question.[/p][/quote]I don't buy the anti Doyley argument about none of his 8 previous managers ever trying to buy him after they have moved to other clubs: 1. How does anyone actually know if these managers made an enquiry - only for LD to turn it down? 2. Vialli, Lewington, Boothroyd were all sacked and did not return to a team who would have a hypothetical interest in signing him i.e a championship team Zola and Sannino haven't had the chance to show interest in signing him so that's 5 out of your 8 managers accounted for. This leaves MM, BR and SD: yes you could argue that these managers haven't (publicly) tried to sign Doyley but have these managers tried to sign other players - Deeney for example?? We all rate Deeney but you can't say that Deeney is over-rated and use the argument that MM, BR and SD have not come in for him as your justification. At the end of the say, Doyley is a top championship defender, IMO. His distribution improved markedly under Zola. Yes he still has weaknesses, but he excels at what he does. He keeps on defying the odds and his critics, and has done enough to be selected as first choice defender by all 8 managers.[/p][/quote]Well said. Doyley is out for 5 games and we let in 8 goals, lose 3 games and a manager. He comes back and we let in 1 goal (a dodgy penalty) in 3 games and finally win a game. The anti Doyley elements should reflect on their error and repent and then make a new years resolution to start supporting a true Watford legend. Big Cliff was King

7:09pm Mon 30 Dec 13

matey_from_brighton says...

The problem for Doyley (and all defenders) is that the majority of defensive skills go unnoticed by the spectators ie close marking, closing down space, positioning yourself correctly when one on one etc. and yet a poor pass in a defensive position is obviously more noticeable. Managers of course do not miss these things and that is why Doyley has managed to impress all 8 managers sufficiently to keep his place. Angella looks classy because he is comfortable in possession but is lacking in pace and cannot turn quickly, Nosworthy is strong as an ox but loses concentration quite often - things that are often mopped up by Doyley covering in behind. Too many people seem to pick one attribute of a players game and use that to justify that they are not good enough. Players with no weakpoints are few and far between and are probably already playing in the Premiership
The problem for Doyley (and all defenders) is that the majority of defensive skills go unnoticed by the spectators ie close marking, closing down space, positioning yourself correctly when one on one etc. and yet a poor pass in a defensive position is obviously more noticeable. Managers of course do not miss these things and that is why Doyley has managed to impress all 8 managers sufficiently to keep his place. Angella looks classy because he is comfortable in possession but is lacking in pace and cannot turn quickly, Nosworthy is strong as an ox but loses concentration quite often - things that are often mopped up by Doyley covering in behind. Too many people seem to pick one attribute of a players game and use that to justify that they are not good enough. Players with no weakpoints are few and far between and are probably already playing in the Premiership matey_from_brighton

7:22pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Boosey says...

I don't think there is a comment on here that is slating Doyley, only stating the fact, he didn't look too confident on the ball yesterday and was below the standard he normally plays at.
I don't think there is a comment on here that is slating Doyley, only stating the fact, he didn't look too confident on the ball yesterday and was below the standard he normally plays at. Boosey

7:25pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Boosey says...

esercito giallo wrote:
Boosey wrote:
Murray and Deeney had good games, Ekstrand and Doyley a bit below par but did ok and sorry, McGugan is pants!
Thought the crowd with their vocal support had a good game as well.
And don't forget our Man at the helm Boosey. Sannino deserves a pat on the back for steadying the ship.
Totally agree, he has done extremely well in the short time he has been here.
[quote][p][bold]esercito giallo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Boosey[/bold] wrote: Murray and Deeney had good games, Ekstrand and Doyley a bit below par but did ok and sorry, McGugan is pants! Thought the crowd with their vocal support had a good game as well.[/p][/quote]And don't forget our Man at the helm Boosey. Sannino deserves a pat on the back for steadying the ship.[/p][/quote]Totally agree, he has done extremely well in the short time he has been here. Boosey

10:15pm Mon 30 Dec 13

londomollari says...

relegation wrote:
George Thorne reminds me of Ross Jenkins....Anonymous
Errr, I assume you ARE referring to the current Ross Jenkins? Since I didn't go to the match (working), I can't comment on Thorne first hand. I can only quote friends who were at the game---and some comments on this site---who maintain that Thorne had a decent game. Always remember that a quality defensive midfielder is usually anonymous. Thay become visible when they have a poor game.
Doyley has had a long career at Watford, and has become a first, or regular, choice of every manager. Any players brought in to replace him have usually become second choice or moved on. He may not be Premiership, but he IS a comfortably good Championship player, and should have nothing left to prove. I would have thought that, after all these years, posters on here would have realised that by now.
[quote][p][bold]relegation[/bold] wrote: George Thorne reminds me of Ross Jenkins....Anonymous[/p][/quote]Errr, I assume you ARE referring to the current Ross Jenkins? Since I didn't go to the match (working), I can't comment on Thorne first hand. I can only quote friends who were at the game---and some comments on this site---who maintain that Thorne had a decent game. Always remember that a quality defensive midfielder is usually anonymous. Thay become visible when they have a poor game. Doyley has had a long career at Watford, and has become a first, or regular, choice of every manager. Any players brought in to replace him have usually become second choice or moved on. He may not be Premiership, but he IS a comfortably good Championship player, and should have nothing left to prove. I would have thought that, after all these years, posters on here would have realised that by now. londomollari

4:43am Tue 31 Dec 13

tonyevans22 says...

I was very happy we did not concede a goal at home,but 1 shot on target at home v a side that didn't play a striker until the 2nd half,they where there for the taking if we got it right going forward.Anya and fessi both badly missed.
I was very happy we did not concede a goal at home,but 1 shot on target at home v a side that didn't play a striker until the 2nd half,they where there for the taking if we got it right going forward.Anya and fessi both badly missed. tonyevans22

1:39pm Tue 31 Dec 13

tiger bay says...

LoveKeithDublin wrote:
I thought Acuna looked good when he came on - if only Deeney had his desire when it comes to heading the ball.

Every week Deeney just backs into the central defender, doesn't jump and loses the header - Acuna actually shows desire and takes a running leap, great to see!

Solid performance all round though, loving the new boss' passion
If Deeney flicked on or headed every ball where would it go??? Deeney is very isolated up front at times and backs in to defenders to shield and hold the ball in hope that support will very soon arrive..Acuna rises very well for a comparatively small fella but he is often running from a deeper/wider position..Where would you like Deeney to run to?? He is already in the position the long punts are aimed at??
[quote][p][bold]LoveKeithDublin[/bold] wrote: I thought Acuna looked good when he came on - if only Deeney had his desire when it comes to heading the ball. Every week Deeney just backs into the central defender, doesn't jump and loses the header - Acuna actually shows desire and takes a running leap, great to see! Solid performance all round though, loving the new boss' passion[/p][/quote]If Deeney flicked on or headed every ball where would it go??? Deeney is very isolated up front at times and backs in to defenders to shield and hold the ball in hope that support will very soon arrive..Acuna rises very well for a comparatively small fella but he is often running from a deeper/wider position..Where would you like Deeney to run to?? He is already in the position the long punts are aimed at?? tiger bay

2:25pm Tue 31 Dec 13

Lloydinio says...

Was it only me who heard the announcer say that Fabbrini was man-of-the-match? I can't believe it was him as he was the worst player on the pitch by a mile.
Was it only me who heard the announcer say that Fabbrini was man-of-the-match? I can't believe it was him as he was the worst player on the pitch by a mile. Lloydinio

5:36pm Tue 31 Dec 13

allgood says...

Lloydinio wrote:
Was it only me who heard the announcer say that Fabbrini was man-of-the-match? I can't believe it was him as he was the worst player on the pitch by a mile.
To be fair there was a lot of laughter when it was announced.
[quote][p][bold]Lloydinio[/bold] wrote: Was it only me who heard the announcer say that Fabbrini was man-of-the-match? I can't believe it was him as he was the worst player on the pitch by a mile.[/p][/quote]To be fair there was a lot of laughter when it was announced. allgood

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