Mathias Ranegie will join Watford permanently but Alexander Merkel's move from Udinese is a loan

Watford Observer: Alexander Merkel has joined Watford on loan. Picture: Action Images Alexander Merkel has joined Watford on loan. Picture: Action Images

Alexander Merkel's move to the Hornets is a loan deal with Udinese team-mate Mathias Ranegie joining the club permanently, the Watford Observer understands.

The pair's arrival was all but confirmed when Merkel and Ranegie were both seen watching Watford's 0-0 draw with Queens Park Rangers on December 29 from the directors box.

Merkel then posted a picture of him signing his contract on micro-blogging site Twitter on New Year's Eve.

It was initially unclear whether the duo would be joining permanently or on temporary deals from fellow Pozzo-owned side Udinese.

But the Watford Observer understands Merkel will be joining on loan until the summer and Ranegie will sign permanently.

Merkel signed for Udinese in January last year but only made six outings last season and has yet to feature during the current campaign – although he has been an unused substitute on several occasions.

The 21-year-old joined AC Milan from Stuttgart as a teenager and made his debut at the age of 18, featuring ten times during the 2010/11 season.

Genoa bought 50 per cent of the player in 2011 and he made 16 appearances for the Serie A club before he rejoined Milan on loan.

However, he only made one outing before he had a spell on the sidelines with a knee injury.

Merkel played for Genoa six times in the first half of last season before he signed for Udinese in January.

Merkel is Kazakhstan-born but has represented Germany throughout the youth age groups up until the Under-20s level.

Ranegie is a striker who is 6ft 5’ tall and has represented Sweden on three occasions in the past.

The 29-year-old has made four appearances for Udinese this campaign and played 26 times last season, scoring one goal.

He was a latecomer to professional football and, after a largely unsuccessful spell at IFK Göteborg, made a name for himself at BK Häcken, where he scored 36 goals in 81 appearances.

Malmo signed him in 2011 and 13 goals in 26 games persuaded Udinese to sign the player in August last summer.

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10:56am Thu 2 Jan 14

jasonwatford says...

Exit Troy ??
Exit Troy ?? jasonwatford

11:03am Thu 2 Jan 14

soulfulhornet says...

Let's give the new boys a fine Watford welcome.

I would be disappointed if Ranegie's arrival meant the departure of Troy. To succeed we need a goalscorer who can net 1 in 2 or 1 in 2 1/2 games. Troy's record since Sordell's departure meets that standard and our other forwards do not. Ranegie's scoring record however is less inspiring on the face of it. He does offer a physical presence that Fernando, Fabbrini and Acuna do not i.e. a different option to the flowing football we have played of late.

Remember how well Troy played alongside big Chris in the last part of 2011/ 2012 season.
Let's give the new boys a fine Watford welcome. I would be disappointed if Ranegie's arrival meant the departure of Troy. To succeed we need a goalscorer who can net 1 in 2 or 1 in 2 1/2 games. Troy's record since Sordell's departure meets that standard and our other forwards do not. Ranegie's scoring record however is less inspiring on the face of it. He does offer a physical presence that Fernando, Fabbrini and Acuna do not i.e. a different option to the flowing football we have played of late. Remember how well Troy played alongside big Chris in the last part of 2011/ 2012 season. soulfulhornet

11:04am Thu 2 Jan 14

Mad_Hat says...

What position does Merkel play? Report doesn't say....
What position does Merkel play? Report doesn't say.... Mad_Hat

11:04am Thu 2 Jan 14

Mad_Hat says...

What position does Merkel play? Report doesn't say....
What position does Merkel play? Report doesn't say.... Mad_Hat

11:06am Thu 2 Jan 14

Dr,Oftaw says...

he needs help up front not replacing
he needs help up front not replacing Dr,Oftaw

11:07am Thu 2 Jan 14

AngelHornet says...

Shop window for Merkel.
Shop window for Merkel. AngelHornet

11:08am Thu 2 Jan 14

Hornet Cornet says...

jasonwatford wrote:
Exit Troy ??
I'm not so sure dude. He seems to have got his mojo back of late...
[quote][p][bold]jasonwatford[/bold] wrote: Exit Troy ??[/p][/quote]I'm not so sure dude. He seems to have got his mojo back of late... Hornet Cornet

11:09am Thu 2 Jan 14

jasonwatford says...

So far today ive read Troy to palace 3 million - Fessi to Roma - 3 million - Anya to loads of clubs £3 million Sean Murray to QPR 3.5 million....Anyone heard any other made up rumours ?
So far today ive read Troy to palace 3 million - Fessi to Roma - 3 million - Anya to loads of clubs £3 million Sean Murray to QPR 3.5 million....Anyone heard any other made up rumours ? jasonwatford

11:11am Thu 2 Jan 14

SamTheEagle says...

Ranegie, at 6' 5", sounds like the Plan B many have thought we have needed for some time. Let's hope it is.
Ranegie, at 6' 5", sounds like the Plan B many have thought we have needed for some time. Let's hope it is. SamTheEagle

11:13am Thu 2 Jan 14

Abbotshorn says...

needs a kick up backside, hopefully this will make him realise he can be dropped
needs a kick up backside, hopefully this will make him realise he can be dropped Abbotshorn

11:14am Thu 2 Jan 14

Abbotshorn says...

jasonwatford wrote:
Exit Troy ??
Probably the kick he needs, got quite comfy thinking he cant be dropped
[quote][p][bold]jasonwatford[/bold] wrote: Exit Troy ??[/p][/quote]Probably the kick he needs, got quite comfy thinking he cant be dropped Abbotshorn

11:14am Thu 2 Jan 14

the g man says...

Exit Acuna
Exit Acuna the g man

11:15am Thu 2 Jan 14

soulfulhornet says...

Let's give the new boys a warm Watford welcome. Sounds like Merkel has great potential. Hopefully, Ranegie's arrival does not lead to Troy's departure. We need a player who scores regularly. Despite Troy's variable form this term, he has maintained a 1 in 2 or 1 in 2 1/2 goals per game ratio since the departure of Marvin Sordell. None of our current forwards come close and Ranegie's goalscoring record is hardly inspirational.

What Ranegie does do is give us a physical presence upfront and ability to hold the ball up, which when under pressure we have been unable to do.


Troy did well alongside big Chris a couple of seasons back, so Ranegie's arrival gives us another tactical option and will take the physical pressure off Deeney a bit.

Troy leaving without the arrival of striker with a similar scoring ability would be a disaster. It is noticeable against Leeds, Ipswich and Millwall that Troy has become a threat in the box something which during our barren spell he was not. Ranegie should be a addition not a replacement imo.
Let's give the new boys a warm Watford welcome. Sounds like Merkel has great potential. Hopefully, Ranegie's arrival does not lead to Troy's departure. We need a player who scores regularly. Despite Troy's variable form this term, he has maintained a 1 in 2 or 1 in 2 1/2 goals per game ratio since the departure of Marvin Sordell. None of our current forwards come close and Ranegie's goalscoring record is hardly inspirational. What Ranegie does do is give us a physical presence upfront and ability to hold the ball up, which when under pressure we have been unable to do. Troy did well alongside big Chris a couple of seasons back, so Ranegie's arrival gives us another tactical option and will take the physical pressure off Deeney a bit. Troy leaving without the arrival of striker with a similar scoring ability would be a disaster. It is noticeable against Leeds, Ipswich and Millwall that Troy has become a threat in the box something which during our barren spell he was not. Ranegie should be a addition not a replacement imo. soulfulhornet

11:15am Thu 2 Jan 14

jasonwatford says...

Ok - So far today I have read Troy going to Palace - Fessi going to Italy - Anya going to Prem - Murray going to QPR , Anyone else reading how many we are going to be selling ?
Ok - So far today I have read Troy going to Palace - Fessi going to Italy - Anya going to Prem - Murray going to QPR , Anyone else reading how many we are going to be selling ? jasonwatford

11:15am Thu 2 Jan 14

bigdave8 says...

We have been crying out for a big striker for years . Iwelumo can't be classed as a striker ha ha will come in handy defending set pieces as well
We have been crying out for a big striker for years . Iwelumo can't be classed as a striker ha ha will come in handy defending set pieces as well bigdave8

11:15am Thu 2 Jan 14

the g man says...

Exit Acuna
Exit Acuna the g man

11:20am Thu 2 Jan 14

Abbotshorn says...

Its the kick he needs, too comfy thinking he cant get dropped, question is what has Acuna done to upset everyone, always works hard
Its the kick he needs, too comfy thinking he cant get dropped, question is what has Acuna done to upset everyone, always works hard Abbotshorn

11:24am Thu 2 Jan 14

bigdave8 says...

We have been crying out for a big striker for years and will help out defending set pieces . Iwelumo doesn't count and can't be called a striker really ha ha
We have been crying out for a big striker for years and will help out defending set pieces . Iwelumo doesn't count and can't be called a striker really ha ha bigdave8

11:27am Thu 2 Jan 14

BlakeyJ says...

Merkel at Watford... is someone using the Championship Manager 2014 game editor?!

Fantastic - just hope our fantastic team of individuals can play as an organised team and get us back up the table where we belong.

COYH.
Merkel at Watford... is someone using the Championship Manager 2014 game editor?! Fantastic - just hope our fantastic team of individuals can play as an organised team and get us back up the table where we belong. COYH. BlakeyJ

11:29am Thu 2 Jan 14

BlakeyJ says...

Mad_Hat wrote:
What position does Merkel play? Report doesn't say....
Central Mid - Attacking Midfielder, right footed.
[quote][p][bold]Mad_Hat[/bold] wrote: What position does Merkel play? Report doesn't say....[/p][/quote]Central Mid - Attacking Midfielder, right footed. BlakeyJ

11:34am Thu 2 Jan 14

JohnnyBarnes says...

jasonwatford wrote:
Exit Troy ??
Ensuring that there isn't an over-reliance on Troy...
[quote][p][bold]jasonwatford[/bold] wrote: Exit Troy ??[/p][/quote]Ensuring that there isn't an over-reliance on Troy... JohnnyBarnes

11:52am Thu 2 Jan 14

AngelHornet says...

the g man wrote:
Exit Acuna
Probably go on loan
[quote][p][bold]the g man[/bold] wrote: Exit Acuna[/p][/quote]Probably go on loan AngelHornet

11:55am Thu 2 Jan 14

Hornet Cornet says...

jasonwatford wrote:
So far today ive read Troy to palace 3 million - Fessi to Roma - 3 million - Anya to loads of clubs £3 million Sean Murray to QPR 3.5 million....Anyone heard any other made up rumours ?
RogerUK to Shenley for £3.50
[quote][p][bold]jasonwatford[/bold] wrote: So far today ive read Troy to palace 3 million - Fessi to Roma - 3 million - Anya to loads of clubs £3 million Sean Murray to QPR 3.5 million....Anyone heard any other made up rumours ?[/p][/quote]RogerUK to Shenley for £3.50 Hornet Cornet

12:29pm Thu 2 Jan 14

Harry's Bar says...

Hornet Cornet wrote:
jasonwatford wrote:
So far today ive read Troy to palace 3 million - Fessi to Roma - 3 million - Anya to loads of clubs £3 million Sean Murray to QPR 3.5 million....Anyone heard any other made up rumours ?
RogerUK to Shenley for £3.50
I thought he was your mate, one of the three wise men.
[quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jasonwatford[/bold] wrote: So far today ive read Troy to palace 3 million - Fessi to Roma - 3 million - Anya to loads of clubs £3 million Sean Murray to QPR 3.5 million....Anyone heard any other made up rumours ?[/p][/quote]RogerUK to Shenley for £3.50[/p][/quote]I thought he was your mate, one of the three wise men. Harry's Bar

12:45pm Thu 2 Jan 14

Hornet Cornet says...

Harry's Bar wrote:
Hornet Cornet wrote:
jasonwatford wrote: So far today ive read Troy to palace 3 million - Fessi to Roma - 3 million - Anya to loads of clubs £3 million Sean Murray to QPR 3.5 million....Anyone heard any other made up rumours ?
RogerUK to Shenley for £3.50
I thought he was your mate, one of the three wise men.
We are warriors of freedom my friend.
[quote][p][bold]Harry's Bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jasonwatford[/bold] wrote: So far today ive read Troy to palace 3 million - Fessi to Roma - 3 million - Anya to loads of clubs £3 million Sean Murray to QPR 3.5 million....Anyone heard any other made up rumours ?[/p][/quote]RogerUK to Shenley for £3.50[/p][/quote]I thought he was your mate, one of the three wise men.[/p][/quote]We are warriors of freedom my friend. Hornet Cornet

12:47pm Thu 2 Jan 14

Essex Hornet says...

It would be a silly move to sell Troy and the others mentioned in previous posts in this window particularly if the Pozzo's really are serious about making a late push for the play off's. We have desperately needed some back up for Troy and this big fella will not only provide competition but could be very useful coming off the bench. If he can bang in 13 goal for Malmo he should be able to make an impact in the Championship. I would have liked to see someone come in up front with genuine pace similar to Vydra but sadly there aren't too many players like that around in our price bracket so we will have to make do.

On paper Merkel looks like a good prospect who has alot to prove after a nasty knee injury. A warm welcome to both and hopefully they will be joined by a couple more in this transfer window.
It would be a silly move to sell Troy and the others mentioned in previous posts in this window particularly if the Pozzo's really are serious about making a late push for the play off's. We have desperately needed some back up for Troy and this big fella will not only provide competition but could be very useful coming off the bench. If he can bang in 13 goal for Malmo he should be able to make an impact in the Championship. I would have liked to see someone come in up front with genuine pace similar to Vydra but sadly there aren't too many players like that around in our price bracket so we will have to make do. On paper Merkel looks like a good prospect who has alot to prove after a nasty knee injury. A warm welcome to both and hopefully they will be joined by a couple more in this transfer window. Essex Hornet

1:00pm Thu 2 Jan 14

JohnnyHornet says...

jasonwatford wrote:
So far today ive read Troy to palace 3 million - Fessi to Roma - 3 million - Anya to loads of clubs £3 million Sean Murray to QPR 3.5 million....Anyone heard any other made up rumours ?
No but I heard Ken Dodd's dad's dog's dead if that helps.
[quote][p][bold]jasonwatford[/bold] wrote: So far today ive read Troy to palace 3 million - Fessi to Roma - 3 million - Anya to loads of clubs £3 million Sean Murray to QPR 3.5 million....Anyone heard any other made up rumours ?[/p][/quote]No but I heard Ken Dodd's dad's dog's dead if that helps. JohnnyHornet

1:09pm Thu 2 Jan 14

VOReason says...

jasonwatford wrote:
So far today ive read Troy to palace 3 million - Fessi to Roma - 3 million - Anya to loads of clubs £3 million Sean Murray to QPR 3.5 million....Anyone heard any other made up rumours ?
Fessi and anya for £3m have legs in principle as this exceeds market value. Murray at £3.5m would again exceed his current market value.

Pozzo's would expect to be able to replace all 3 for less with better players. Watch 5 minutes of Merkel and you will appreciate this.

Deeney for 3 million is a non runner, he may have under-performed at times this season but he is worth well in excess of this price.

Pozzos only sell when they consider the price to be right!
[quote][p][bold]jasonwatford[/bold] wrote: So far today ive read Troy to palace 3 million - Fessi to Roma - 3 million - Anya to loads of clubs £3 million Sean Murray to QPR 3.5 million....Anyone heard any other made up rumours ?[/p][/quote]Fessi and anya for £3m have legs in principle as this exceeds market value. Murray at £3.5m would again exceed his current market value. Pozzo's would expect to be able to replace all 3 for less with better players. Watch 5 minutes of Merkel and you will appreciate this. Deeney for 3 million is a non runner, he may have under-performed at times this season but he is worth well in excess of this price. Pozzos only sell when they consider the price to be right! VOReason

1:10pm Thu 2 Jan 14

bushey tales says...

It's all very exciting but we have to remember the underlying Pozzo business model. They buy cheap and sell when there's a significant profit to be taken. So if anybody was seriously talking about offering decent money for a fringe player like Forestieri, I think you can assume they'd take it. Similarly, and from my perspective much more depressing, would be hefty offers for Deeney and Anya. But it's what they do. We're a shop window. We should just enjoy these players while we can.
It's all very exciting but we have to remember the underlying Pozzo business model. They buy cheap and sell when there's a significant profit to be taken. So if anybody was seriously talking about offering decent money for a fringe player like Forestieri, I think you can assume they'd take it. Similarly, and from my perspective much more depressing, would be hefty offers for Deeney and Anya. But it's what they do. We're a shop window. We should just enjoy these players while we can. bushey tales

1:11pm Thu 2 Jan 14

Bobbyhowfield says...

Hornet Cornet wrote:
jasonwatford wrote:
So far today ive read Troy to palace 3 million - Fessi to Roma - 3 million - Anya to loads of clubs £3 million Sean Murray to QPR 3.5 million....Anyone heard any other made up rumours ?
RogerUK to Shenley for £3.50
They shut the mental asylum at Shenley 20 years ago. No point in sending him there !!
[quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jasonwatford[/bold] wrote: So far today ive read Troy to palace 3 million - Fessi to Roma - 3 million - Anya to loads of clubs £3 million Sean Murray to QPR 3.5 million....Anyone heard any other made up rumours ?[/p][/quote]RogerUK to Shenley for £3.50[/p][/quote]They shut the mental asylum at Shenley 20 years ago. No point in sending him there !! Bobbyhowfield

1:44pm Thu 2 Jan 14

gloryhornet4 says...

Mad_Hat wrote:
What position does Merkel play? Report doesn't say....
Chancellor I think.
[quote][p][bold]Mad_Hat[/bold] wrote: What position does Merkel play? Report doesn't say....[/p][/quote]Chancellor I think. gloryhornet4

1:48pm Thu 2 Jan 14

JohnnyBarnes says...

VOReason wrote:
jasonwatford wrote: So far today ive read Troy to palace 3 million - Fessi to Roma - 3 million - Anya to loads of clubs £3 million Sean Murray to QPR 3.5 million....Anyone heard any other made up rumours ?
Fessi and anya for £3m have legs in principle as this exceeds market value. Murray at £3.5m would again exceed his current market value. Pozzo's would expect to be able to replace all 3 for less with better players. Watch 5 minutes of Merkel and you will appreciate this. Deeney for 3 million is a non runner, he may have under-performed at times this season but he is worth well in excess of this price. Pozzos only sell when they consider the price to be right!
"Has legs" though doesn't mean that it's true. It just means that whoever made the rumour up has taken more than three seconds to think through a feasible transfer fee.

Every single one of those rumours is too convenient for me - as all 'good' rumours are.
[quote][p][bold]VOReason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jasonwatford[/bold] wrote: So far today ive read Troy to palace 3 million - Fessi to Roma - 3 million - Anya to loads of clubs £3 million Sean Murray to QPR 3.5 million....Anyone heard any other made up rumours ?[/p][/quote]Fessi and anya for £3m have legs in principle as this exceeds market value. Murray at £3.5m would again exceed his current market value. Pozzo's would expect to be able to replace all 3 for less with better players. Watch 5 minutes of Merkel and you will appreciate this. Deeney for 3 million is a non runner, he may have under-performed at times this season but he is worth well in excess of this price. Pozzos only sell when they consider the price to be right![/p][/quote]"Has legs" though doesn't mean that it's true. It just means that whoever made the rumour up has taken more than three seconds to think through a feasible transfer fee. Every single one of those rumours is too convenient for me - as all 'good' rumours are. JohnnyBarnes

2:00pm Thu 2 Jan 14

MainStandShambles says...

Welcome to the new signings, let's hope they bring something extra to the squad.

I don't see how fans can say that Acuna should go though, when he hasn't been given a decent amount of time on the pitch.
Personally, i'd like to see him have a spell as Deeney's strike partner, i think then he would show his true worth.
Welcome to the new signings, let's hope they bring something extra to the squad. I don't see how fans can say that Acuna should go though, when he hasn't been given a decent amount of time on the pitch. Personally, i'd like to see him have a spell as Deeney's strike partner, i think then he would show his true worth. MainStandShambles

2:06pm Thu 2 Jan 14

WFC FANMAN says...

Has loan player George thornes left watford now.
Has loan player George thornes left watford now. WFC FANMAN

2:23pm Thu 2 Jan 14

Andrew1963 says...

I have heard Richard Short is a likely move. Nosworthy to be gone by end of the month.
I have heard Richard Short is a likely move. Nosworthy to be gone by end of the month. Andrew1963

2:37pm Thu 2 Jan 14

abbotshornet says...

jasonwatford wrote:
So far today ive read Troy to palace 3 million - Fessi to Roma - 3 million - Anya to loads of clubs £3 million Sean Murray to QPR 3.5 million....Anyone heard any other made up rumours ?
What do you read, the Beano?
[quote][p][bold]jasonwatford[/bold] wrote: So far today ive read Troy to palace 3 million - Fessi to Roma - 3 million - Anya to loads of clubs £3 million Sean Murray to QPR 3.5 million....Anyone heard any other made up rumours ?[/p][/quote]What do you read, the Beano? abbotshornet

3:13pm Thu 2 Jan 14

ralear49 says...

gloryhornet4 wrote:
Mad_Hat wrote: What position does Merkel play? Report doesn't say....
Chancellor I think.
usually serves as a lookout. Oh, wait, that's a meerkat.
[quote][p][bold]gloryhornet4[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mad_Hat[/bold] wrote: What position does Merkel play? Report doesn't say....[/p][/quote]Chancellor I think.[/p][/quote]usually serves as a lookout. Oh, wait, that's a meerkat. ralear49

3:31pm Thu 2 Jan 14

VOReason says...

JohnnyBarnes wrote:
VOReason wrote:
jasonwatford wrote: So far today ive read Troy to palace 3 million - Fessi to Roma - 3 million - Anya to loads of clubs £3 million Sean Murray to QPR 3.5 million....Anyone heard any other made up rumours ?
Fessi and anya for £3m have legs in principle as this exceeds market value. Murray at £3.5m would again exceed his current market value. Pozzo's would expect to be able to replace all 3 for less with better players. Watch 5 minutes of Merkel and you will appreciate this. Deeney for 3 million is a non runner, he may have under-performed at times this season but he is worth well in excess of this price. Pozzos only sell when they consider the price to be right!
"Has legs" though doesn't mean that it's true. It just means that whoever made the rumour up has taken more than three seconds to think through a feasible transfer fee.

Every single one of those rumours is too convenient for me - as all 'good' rumours are.
Johnny Johnny Johnny it's time to stop being gullible.

Assombalonga 'injured' - sols
Hogg 'injured' - sold

Fessi and anya 'injured' just before the window opens ...

Murray and Deeney are probably paper talk but we won't see the other 2 in a watford shirt again
[quote][p][bold]JohnnyBarnes[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VOReason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jasonwatford[/bold] wrote: So far today ive read Troy to palace 3 million - Fessi to Roma - 3 million - Anya to loads of clubs £3 million Sean Murray to QPR 3.5 million....Anyone heard any other made up rumours ?[/p][/quote]Fessi and anya for £3m have legs in principle as this exceeds market value. Murray at £3.5m would again exceed his current market value. Pozzo's would expect to be able to replace all 3 for less with better players. Watch 5 minutes of Merkel and you will appreciate this. Deeney for 3 million is a non runner, he may have under-performed at times this season but he is worth well in excess of this price. Pozzos only sell when they consider the price to be right![/p][/quote]"Has legs" though doesn't mean that it's true. It just means that whoever made the rumour up has taken more than three seconds to think through a feasible transfer fee. Every single one of those rumours is too convenient for me - as all 'good' rumours are.[/p][/quote]Johnny Johnny Johnny it's time to stop being gullible. Assombalonga 'injured' - sols Hogg 'injured' - sold Fessi and anya 'injured' just before the window opens ... Murray and Deeney are probably paper talk but we won't see the other 2 in a watford shirt again VOReason

3:53pm Thu 2 Jan 14

SAHornet says...

Hornet Cornet wrote:
jasonwatford wrote:
So far today ive read Troy to palace 3 million - Fessi to Roma - 3 million - Anya to loads of clubs £3 million Sean Murray to QPR 3.5 million....Anyone heard any other made up rumours ?
RogerUK to Shenley for £3.50
Yep and demeit & you HC. Has the worm turned?
[quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jasonwatford[/bold] wrote: So far today ive read Troy to palace 3 million - Fessi to Roma - 3 million - Anya to loads of clubs £3 million Sean Murray to QPR 3.5 million....Anyone heard any other made up rumours ?[/p][/quote]RogerUK to Shenley for £3.50[/p][/quote]Yep and demeit & you HC. Has the worm turned? SAHornet

3:53pm Thu 2 Jan 14

WFCinexile says...

With Abdi out, we've missed that attacking midfielder - Merkel covers that. I see Ranegie playing alongside Deeney, taking the pressure off him and allowing Deeney to run off someone. I'm excited by this news - on the face of it, it's just what we need. Especially as Sannino appears to have shored things up at the back a bit.

I don't see us selling Deeney, he's too important to us, the target is the Premiership, we need him to get us there. One other thing the bare in mind is the amount of 'Home-grown' players, we can't afford to sell the few that we have.
With Abdi out, we've missed that attacking midfielder - Merkel covers that. I see Ranegie playing alongside Deeney, taking the pressure off him and allowing Deeney to run off someone. I'm excited by this news - on the face of it, it's just what we need. Especially as Sannino appears to have shored things up at the back a bit. I don't see us selling Deeney, he's too important to us, the target is the Premiership, we need him to get us there. One other thing the bare in mind is the amount of 'Home-grown' players, we can't afford to sell the few that we have. WFCinexile

3:58pm Thu 2 Jan 14

jasonwatford says...

Look if anyone is Sold it will be for a profit....then we will have a replacement given to us....This is the way they do things we should all be happy we have the pozzo's on board. All the names I mentioned is what is freely readable on the internet and not a rumour by me.
Look if anyone is Sold it will be for a profit....then we will have a replacement given to us....This is the way they do things we should all be happy we have the pozzo's on board. All the names I mentioned is what is freely readable on the internet and not a rumour by me. jasonwatford

4:04pm Thu 2 Jan 14

mellow yellow says...

WFCinexile wrote:
With Abdi out, we've missed that attacking midfielder - Merkel covers that. I see Ranegie playing alongside Deeney, taking the pressure off him and allowing Deeney to run off someone. I'm excited by this news - on the face of it, it's just what we need. Especially as Sannino appears to have shored things up at the back a bit.

I don't see us selling Deeney, he's too important to us, the target is the Premiership, we need him to get us there. One other thing the bare in mind is the amount of 'Home-grown' players, we can't afford to sell the few that we have.
An excellent observation about the 'home-grown' players... but don't let that get in the way of VOReason and demerit's fantasy transfer market!
[quote][p][bold]WFCinexile[/bold] wrote: With Abdi out, we've missed that attacking midfielder - Merkel covers that. I see Ranegie playing alongside Deeney, taking the pressure off him and allowing Deeney to run off someone. I'm excited by this news - on the face of it, it's just what we need. Especially as Sannino appears to have shored things up at the back a bit. I don't see us selling Deeney, he's too important to us, the target is the Premiership, we need him to get us there. One other thing the bare in mind is the amount of 'Home-grown' players, we can't afford to sell the few that we have.[/p][/quote]An excellent observation about the 'home-grown' players... but don't let that get in the way of VOReason and demerit's fantasy transfer market! mellow yellow

4:08pm Thu 2 Jan 14

Oracledave says...

VOReason wrote:
JohnnyBarnes wrote:
VOReason wrote:
jasonwatford wrote: So far today ive read Troy to palace 3 million - Fessi to Roma - 3 million - Anya to loads of clubs £3 million Sean Murray to QPR 3.5 million....Anyone heard any other made up rumours ?
Fessi and anya for £3m have legs in principle as this exceeds market value. Murray at £3.5m would again exceed his current market value. Pozzo's would expect to be able to replace all 3 for less with better players. Watch 5 minutes of Merkel and you will appreciate this. Deeney for 3 million is a non runner, he may have under-performed at times this season but he is worth well in excess of this price. Pozzos only sell when they consider the price to be right!
"Has legs" though doesn't mean that it's true. It just means that whoever made the rumour up has taken more than three seconds to think through a feasible transfer fee.

Every single one of those rumours is too convenient for me - as all 'good' rumours are.
Johnny Johnny Johnny it's time to stop being gullible.

Assombalonga 'injured' - sols
Hogg 'injured' - sold

Fessi and anya 'injured' just before the window opens ...

Murray and Deeney are probably paper talk but we won't see the other 2 in a watford shirt again
At the end of the day any transfer activity in or out will always be subject to the fundamental truth - getting into the English Premier League is worth significantly more than Serie A or La Liga combined. So, even if you may wish to ascribe the Pozzos with purely financial motives, selling proven performers in the Championship would be entirely stupid unless the bids were well in excess of market value. The proof of this can be seen with Vydra. Substantial bids were rejected last January and he remains a Udinese player.

Everyone will have there own view but I don't see the Pozzos as stupid !
[quote][p][bold]VOReason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JohnnyBarnes[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VOReason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jasonwatford[/bold] wrote: So far today ive read Troy to palace 3 million - Fessi to Roma - 3 million - Anya to loads of clubs £3 million Sean Murray to QPR 3.5 million....Anyone heard any other made up rumours ?[/p][/quote]Fessi and anya for £3m have legs in principle as this exceeds market value. Murray at £3.5m would again exceed his current market value. Pozzo's would expect to be able to replace all 3 for less with better players. Watch 5 minutes of Merkel and you will appreciate this. Deeney for 3 million is a non runner, he may have under-performed at times this season but he is worth well in excess of this price. Pozzos only sell when they consider the price to be right![/p][/quote]"Has legs" though doesn't mean that it's true. It just means that whoever made the rumour up has taken more than three seconds to think through a feasible transfer fee. Every single one of those rumours is too convenient for me - as all 'good' rumours are.[/p][/quote]Johnny Johnny Johnny it's time to stop being gullible. Assombalonga 'injured' - sols Hogg 'injured' - sold Fessi and anya 'injured' just before the window opens ... Murray and Deeney are probably paper talk but we won't see the other 2 in a watford shirt again[/p][/quote]At the end of the day any transfer activity in or out will always be subject to the fundamental truth - getting into the English Premier League is worth significantly more than Serie A or La Liga combined. So, even if you may wish to ascribe the Pozzos with purely financial motives, selling proven performers in the Championship would be entirely stupid unless the bids were well in excess of market value. The proof of this can be seen with Vydra. Substantial bids were rejected last January and he remains a Udinese player. Everyone will have there own view but I don't see the Pozzos as stupid ! Oracledave

4:36pm Thu 2 Jan 14

Mickey Quinn, not so thin says...

Don't be fooled into thinking this is all about getting into the Prem. It's not. Unless you are a top 4 prem club, you spend the extra income just trying to stay there and then suffer the financial consequences if relegated (see Boltons recent financial results). The recent extra prem income and parachute money just increases the hysteria about getting promoted => clubs spend even more trying to get promoted => even more dire financial position. Our acquisition is all about another shop-front for their pool of players, increasing their ability to develop and sell. We gain from a though-put of very decent cheap players we would never have seen otherwise, eg Vydra, Merkel.... If promotion to the prem was an absolute must, Vydra and Chalo would still be here. I'm sure the Pozzos would be delighted to get promotion, but they are sharp businessmen first and foremost, rather than egotistically chasing the premiership dream.
Don't be fooled into thinking this is all about getting into the Prem. It's not. Unless you are a top 4 prem club, you spend the extra income just trying to stay there and then suffer the financial consequences if relegated (see Boltons recent financial results). The recent extra prem income and parachute money just increases the hysteria about getting promoted => clubs spend even more trying to get promoted => even more dire financial position. Our acquisition is all about another shop-front for their pool of players, increasing their ability to develop and sell. We gain from a though-put of very decent cheap players we would never have seen otherwise, eg Vydra, Merkel.... If promotion to the prem was an absolute must, Vydra and Chalo would still be here. I'm sure the Pozzos would be delighted to get promotion, but they are sharp businessmen first and foremost, rather than egotistically chasing the premiership dream. Mickey Quinn, not so thin

4:47pm Thu 2 Jan 14

mickallen57 says...

I would have thought the Pozzos have an eye on the prem rather than selling players needed to push up the league . Good news 6ft 5 of Swedish talent taking the heat off Troy and Merkel consolidating an ever increasingly solid looking squad. COYH
I would have thought the Pozzos have an eye on the prem rather than selling players needed to push up the league . Good news 6ft 5 of Swedish talent taking the heat off Troy and Merkel consolidating an ever increasingly solid looking squad. COYH mickallen57

4:51pm Thu 2 Jan 14

bigmeuprudeboy says...

Thorne, Merkel and Murray in midfield is a sexy proposition, Abdi can then come in for either Merkel or Murray when he is fit and they can rotate.

Ranegie and Deeney should work well, Deeney played well working off Iwelumo and I would imagine that Ranegie is a bit better.

Hopefully these new boys will play against Bristol City, I got evens on us to win when I put it on today which looks good considering Bristol's form.
Thorne, Merkel and Murray in midfield is a sexy proposition, Abdi can then come in for either Merkel or Murray when he is fit and they can rotate. Ranegie and Deeney should work well, Deeney played well working off Iwelumo and I would imagine that Ranegie is a bit better. Hopefully these new boys will play against Bristol City, I got evens on us to win when I put it on today which looks good considering Bristol's form. bigmeuprudeboy

4:53pm Thu 2 Jan 14

demerit says...

Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:
Don't be fooled into thinking this is all about getting into the Prem. It's not. Unless you are a top 4 prem club, you spend the extra income just trying to stay there and then suffer the financial consequences if relegated (see Boltons recent financial results). The recent extra prem income and parachute money just increases the hysteria about getting promoted => clubs spend even more trying to get promoted => even more dire financial position. Our acquisition is all about another shop-front for their pool of players, increasing their ability to develop and sell. We gain from a though-put of very decent cheap players we would never have seen otherwise, eg Vydra, Merkel.... If promotion to the prem was an absolute must, Vydra and Chalo would still be here. I'm sure the Pozzos would be delighted to get promotion, but they are sharp businessmen first and foremost, rather than egotistically chasing the premiership dream.
Sorry, this is wrong, even though it is a plausible take on the situation.

Watford was singled out as the optimum way of getting into the richest league in the world in terms of opportunity (the Bassini factor), capital outlay (cheap)and potential. Their objective is to get into the Premier League at all costs, within good business reason, and once there will adopt the WBA model. Please, I am not a smartarse but I do have this on good authority.
[quote][p][bold]Mickey Quinn, not so thin[/bold] wrote: Don't be fooled into thinking this is all about getting into the Prem. It's not. Unless you are a top 4 prem club, you spend the extra income just trying to stay there and then suffer the financial consequences if relegated (see Boltons recent financial results). The recent extra prem income and parachute money just increases the hysteria about getting promoted => clubs spend even more trying to get promoted => even more dire financial position. Our acquisition is all about another shop-front for their pool of players, increasing their ability to develop and sell. We gain from a though-put of very decent cheap players we would never have seen otherwise, eg Vydra, Merkel.... If promotion to the prem was an absolute must, Vydra and Chalo would still be here. I'm sure the Pozzos would be delighted to get promotion, but they are sharp businessmen first and foremost, rather than egotistically chasing the premiership dream.[/p][/quote]Sorry, this is wrong, even though it is a plausible take on the situation. Watford was singled out as the optimum way of getting into the richest league in the world in terms of opportunity (the Bassini factor), capital outlay (cheap)and potential. Their objective is to get into the Premier League at all costs, within good business reason, and once there will adopt the WBA model. Please, I am not a smartarse but I do have this on good authority. demerit

5:05pm Thu 2 Jan 14

bristol hornet says...

Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:
Don't be fooled into thinking this is all about getting into the Prem. It's not. Unless you are a top 4 prem club, you spend the extra income just trying to stay there and then suffer the financial consequences if relegated (see Boltons recent financial results). The recent extra prem income and parachute money just increases the hysteria about getting promoted => clubs spend even more trying to get promoted => even more dire financial position. Our acquisition is all about another shop-front for their pool of players, increasing their ability to develop and sell. We gain from a though-put of very decent cheap players we would never have seen otherwise, eg Vydra, Merkel.... If promotion to the prem was an absolute must, Vydra and Chalo would still be here. I'm sure the Pozzos would be delighted to get promotion, but they are sharp businessmen first and foremost, rather than egotistically chasing the premiership dream.
This is where we differ from the likes of Bolton, Palace, and the other yo-yo clubs who spend daft money just to stay in the Prem.

The Pozzo's have a much different model, and with such class players at their disposal at Udinese and Granada, they will just send over BETTER players to us equipped for the Prem.

It might seem strange to say this now, but if Zola had taken us to the promised land last season, I think he would have prospered better than in the Championship.

And with even better Italians sent over from our sister clubs, I think Zola would have survived quite comfortably this season?
[quote][p][bold]Mickey Quinn, not so thin[/bold] wrote: Don't be fooled into thinking this is all about getting into the Prem. It's not. Unless you are a top 4 prem club, you spend the extra income just trying to stay there and then suffer the financial consequences if relegated (see Boltons recent financial results). The recent extra prem income and parachute money just increases the hysteria about getting promoted => clubs spend even more trying to get promoted => even more dire financial position. Our acquisition is all about another shop-front for their pool of players, increasing their ability to develop and sell. We gain from a though-put of very decent cheap players we would never have seen otherwise, eg Vydra, Merkel.... If promotion to the prem was an absolute must, Vydra and Chalo would still be here. I'm sure the Pozzos would be delighted to get promotion, but they are sharp businessmen first and foremost, rather than egotistically chasing the premiership dream.[/p][/quote]This is where we differ from the likes of Bolton, Palace, and the other yo-yo clubs who spend daft money just to stay in the Prem. The Pozzo's have a much different model, and with such class players at their disposal at Udinese and Granada, they will just send over BETTER players to us equipped for the Prem. It might seem strange to say this now, but if Zola had taken us to the promised land last season, I think he would have prospered better than in the Championship. And with even better Italians sent over from our sister clubs, I think Zola would have survived quite comfortably this season? bristol hornet

5:07pm Thu 2 Jan 14

Mickey Quinn, not so thin says...

demerit wrote:
Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:
Don't be fooled into thinking this is all about getting into the Prem. It's not. Unless you are a top 4 prem club, you spend the extra income just trying to stay there and then suffer the financial consequences if relegated (see Boltons recent financial results). The recent extra prem income and parachute money just increases the hysteria about getting promoted => clubs spend even more trying to get promoted => even more dire financial position. Our acquisition is all about another shop-front for their pool of players, increasing their ability to develop and sell. We gain from a though-put of very decent cheap players we would never have seen otherwise, eg Vydra, Merkel.... If promotion to the prem was an absolute must, Vydra and Chalo would still be here. I'm sure the Pozzos would be delighted to get promotion, but they are sharp businessmen first and foremost, rather than egotistically chasing the premiership dream.
Sorry, this is wrong, even though it is a plausible take on the situation.

Watford was singled out as the optimum way of getting into the richest league in the world in terms of opportunity (the Bassini factor), capital outlay (cheap)and potential. Their objective is to get into the Premier League at all costs, within good business reason, and once there will adopt the WBA model. Please, I am not a smartarse but I do have this on good authority.
....Not "at all costs". Loaning Vydra to WBA after promising us he'd be back was to protect their investment in Vydra rather than us. Chalo would have been a great addition to the team but at £30k+ a week they deemed too expensive, so didn't pay and let him go to a competitor. Likewise if they get a good offer for Murray, Anya or Deeney, they will consider it. I'm sure they'd love to go up but they won't gamble by ignoring good sales opportunities simply because they know there's still no guarantee of going up if they don't sell. They are excellent businessmen and we are lucky to have them as our owners but we are not going to see £ms turned away in order to buy promotion.
[quote][p][bold]demerit[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mickey Quinn, not so thin[/bold] wrote: Don't be fooled into thinking this is all about getting into the Prem. It's not. Unless you are a top 4 prem club, you spend the extra income just trying to stay there and then suffer the financial consequences if relegated (see Boltons recent financial results). The recent extra prem income and parachute money just increases the hysteria about getting promoted => clubs spend even more trying to get promoted => even more dire financial position. Our acquisition is all about another shop-front for their pool of players, increasing their ability to develop and sell. We gain from a though-put of very decent cheap players we would never have seen otherwise, eg Vydra, Merkel.... If promotion to the prem was an absolute must, Vydra and Chalo would still be here. I'm sure the Pozzos would be delighted to get promotion, but they are sharp businessmen first and foremost, rather than egotistically chasing the premiership dream.[/p][/quote]Sorry, this is wrong, even though it is a plausible take on the situation. Watford was singled out as the optimum way of getting into the richest league in the world in terms of opportunity (the Bassini factor), capital outlay (cheap)and potential. Their objective is to get into the Premier League at all costs, within good business reason, and once there will adopt the WBA model. Please, I am not a smartarse but I do have this on good authority.[/p][/quote]....Not "at all costs". Loaning Vydra to WBA after promising us he'd be back was to protect their investment in Vydra rather than us. Chalo would have been a great addition to the team but at £30k+ a week they deemed too expensive, so didn't pay and let him go to a competitor. Likewise if they get a good offer for Murray, Anya or Deeney, they will consider it. I'm sure they'd love to go up but they won't gamble by ignoring good sales opportunities simply because they know there's still no guarantee of going up if they don't sell. They are excellent businessmen and we are lucky to have them as our owners but we are not going to see £ms turned away in order to buy promotion. Mickey Quinn, not so thin

5:38pm Thu 2 Jan 14

bigmeuprudeboy says...

433 formation I hope

A front three of Deeney, Ranegie and one of Anya, Fab or Fernando

Midfield of Thorne, Merkel and Murray

And a defence of Doyley, Hoban, Angella and Pudil


Looks very decent to me
433 formation I hope A front three of Deeney, Ranegie and one of Anya, Fab or Fernando Midfield of Thorne, Merkel and Murray And a defence of Doyley, Hoban, Angella and Pudil Looks very decent to me bigmeuprudeboy

6:15pm Thu 2 Jan 14

Oracledave says...

Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:
demerit wrote:
Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:
Don't be fooled into thinking this is all about getting into the Prem. It's not. Unless you are a top 4 prem club, you spend the extra income just trying to stay there and then suffer the financial consequences if relegated (see Boltons recent financial results). The recent extra prem income and parachute money just increases the hysteria about getting promoted => clubs spend even more trying to get promoted => even more dire financial position. Our acquisition is all about another shop-front for their pool of players, increasing their ability to develop and sell. We gain from a though-put of very decent cheap players we would never have seen otherwise, eg Vydra, Merkel.... If promotion to the prem was an absolute must, Vydra and Chalo would still be here. I'm sure the Pozzos would be delighted to get promotion, but they are sharp businessmen first and foremost, rather than egotistically chasing the premiership dream.
Sorry, this is wrong, even though it is a plausible take on the situation.

Watford was singled out as the optimum way of getting into the richest league in the world in terms of opportunity (the Bassini factor), capital outlay (cheap)and potential. Their objective is to get into the Premier League at all costs, within good business reason, and once there will adopt the WBA model. Please, I am not a smartarse but I do have this on good authority.
....Not "at all costs". Loaning Vydra to WBA after promising us he'd be back was to protect their investment in Vydra rather than us. Chalo would have been a great addition to the team but at £30k+ a week they deemed too expensive, so didn't pay and let him go to a competitor. Likewise if they get a good offer for Murray, Anya or Deeney, they will consider it. I'm sure they'd love to go up but they won't gamble by ignoring good sales opportunities simply because they know there's still no guarantee of going up if they don't sell. They are excellent businessmen and we are lucky to have them as our owners but we are not going to see £ms turned away in order to buy promotion.
MQ - You have moderated your original argument. I never said that promotion would be sought at all costs, just that it was the overriding aim. NC was a step too far given his greatly enhanced salary. And given his level of involvement with Forest thus far that may not have turned out too badly.

You may also recall that Vydra was expected to return according to G. Pozzo - then his agent got involved and MV was quoted as saying that he would not play in the Championship again. We saw his dramatic drop in effectiveness last season after Christmas (until the fateful Leicester game) when all the January Prem offers had been rejected. What might we have expected if he had been forced to return ? And what do you think would have happened to MV if we had won either of those critical final games ?

As others have suggested you have been somewhat selective in using certain examples to support you argument. Yes, Bolton and Birmingham seem to be close to financial 'melt down' but others such as West Brom and Stoke are doing ok. In the Baggies case this has involved a degree of 'yoyoing' up and down but that is not necessarily a disaster as long as contracts are structured properly to account for different levels of income. The justified criticism of Bolton and QPR (and previously Wolves) is that they failed to insist on such clauses in some or all of their player's contracts.

Also we now have two extremely relevant recent factors. First, financial 'fair play' in terms of permitted expenditure and of course four year 'parachute' payments. Given the structure of the Pozzo 'empire' we may be in stronger position than most to accommodate these changes - nominal fee transfers etc.
[quote][p][bold]Mickey Quinn, not so thin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]demerit[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mickey Quinn, not so thin[/bold] wrote: Don't be fooled into thinking this is all about getting into the Prem. It's not. Unless you are a top 4 prem club, you spend the extra income just trying to stay there and then suffer the financial consequences if relegated (see Boltons recent financial results). The recent extra prem income and parachute money just increases the hysteria about getting promoted => clubs spend even more trying to get promoted => even more dire financial position. Our acquisition is all about another shop-front for their pool of players, increasing their ability to develop and sell. We gain from a though-put of very decent cheap players we would never have seen otherwise, eg Vydra, Merkel.... If promotion to the prem was an absolute must, Vydra and Chalo would still be here. I'm sure the Pozzos would be delighted to get promotion, but they are sharp businessmen first and foremost, rather than egotistically chasing the premiership dream.[/p][/quote]Sorry, this is wrong, even though it is a plausible take on the situation. Watford was singled out as the optimum way of getting into the richest league in the world in terms of opportunity (the Bassini factor), capital outlay (cheap)and potential. Their objective is to get into the Premier League at all costs, within good business reason, and once there will adopt the WBA model. Please, I am not a smartarse but I do have this on good authority.[/p][/quote]....Not "at all costs". Loaning Vydra to WBA after promising us he'd be back was to protect their investment in Vydra rather than us. Chalo would have been a great addition to the team but at £30k+ a week they deemed too expensive, so didn't pay and let him go to a competitor. Likewise if they get a good offer for Murray, Anya or Deeney, they will consider it. I'm sure they'd love to go up but they won't gamble by ignoring good sales opportunities simply because they know there's still no guarantee of going up if they don't sell. They are excellent businessmen and we are lucky to have them as our owners but we are not going to see £ms turned away in order to buy promotion.[/p][/quote]MQ - You have moderated your original argument. I never said that promotion would be sought at all costs, just that it was the overriding aim. NC was a step too far given his greatly enhanced salary. And given his level of involvement with Forest thus far that may not have turned out too badly. You may also recall that Vydra was expected to return according to G. Pozzo - then his agent got involved and MV was quoted as saying that he would not play in the Championship again. We saw his dramatic drop in effectiveness last season after Christmas (until the fateful Leicester game) when all the January Prem offers had been rejected. What might we have expected if he had been forced to return ? And what do you think would have happened to MV if we had won either of those critical final games ? As others have suggested you have been somewhat selective in using certain examples to support you argument. Yes, Bolton and Birmingham seem to be close to financial 'melt down' but others such as West Brom and Stoke are doing ok. In the Baggies case this has involved a degree of 'yoyoing' up and down but that is not necessarily a disaster as long as contracts are structured properly to account for different levels of income. The justified criticism of Bolton and QPR (and previously Wolves) is that they failed to insist on such clauses in some or all of their player's contracts. Also we now have two extremely relevant recent factors. First, financial 'fair play' in terms of permitted expenditure and of course four year 'parachute' payments. Given the structure of the Pozzo 'empire' we may be in stronger position than most to accommodate these changes - nominal fee transfers etc. Oracledave

6:25pm Thu 2 Jan 14

Mad_Hat says...

Mad_Hat wrote:
What position does Merkel play? Report doesn't say....
Score: -12

-12 for asking a valid question? Jesus you lot are tetchy.
[quote][p][bold]Mad_Hat[/bold] wrote: What position does Merkel play? Report doesn't say....[/p][/quote]Score: -12 -12 for asking a valid question? Jesus you lot are tetchy. Mad_Hat

6:32pm Thu 2 Jan 14

ralear49 says...

bigmeuprudeboy wrote:
433 formation I hope A front three of Deeney, Ranegie and one of Anya, Fab or Fernando Midfield of Thorne, Merkel and Murray And a defence of Doyley, Hoban, Angella and Pudil Looks very decent to me
no more Thorne it seems
[quote][p][bold]bigmeuprudeboy[/bold] wrote: 433 formation I hope A front three of Deeney, Ranegie and one of Anya, Fab or Fernando Midfield of Thorne, Merkel and Murray And a defence of Doyley, Hoban, Angella and Pudil Looks very decent to me[/p][/quote]no more Thorne it seems ralear49

6:38pm Thu 2 Jan 14

ralear49 says...

just saw a report that Arsenal are interested in Berbatov for 2 million. Can we have him please?
just saw a report that Arsenal are interested in Berbatov for 2 million. Can we have him please? ralear49

7:35pm Thu 2 Jan 14

Bush Hornet says...

ralear49 wrote:
just saw a report that Arsenal are interested in Berbatov for 2 million. Can we have him please?
A player less suited to the championship hustle and bustle than Berbatov is hard to imagine. Besides he looks like Dracula.
[quote][p][bold]ralear49[/bold] wrote: just saw a report that Arsenal are interested in Berbatov for 2 million. Can we have him please?[/p][/quote]A player less suited to the championship hustle and bustle than Berbatov is hard to imagine. Besides he looks like Dracula. Bush Hornet

7:39pm Thu 2 Jan 14

PozzoHornet says...

bigmeuprudeboy wrote:
433 formation I hope

A front three of Deeney, Ranegie and one of Anya, Fab or Fernando

Midfield of Thorne, Merkel and Murray

And a defence of Doyley, Hoban, Angella and Pudil


Looks very decent to me
I'm sorry, in what world do we want Troy playing on the wing again? We saw how ineffectual he was under Malky. Unless you mean to say the 6' 5" striker will play on the wing. What are you on about. Let alone the fact that Thorne's loan expires today, and thus far we have heard no news of an extension. Hoban is still out and all we know is he is still training at London Colney. Honestly, think about what you're saying!
[quote][p][bold]bigmeuprudeboy[/bold] wrote: 433 formation I hope A front three of Deeney, Ranegie and one of Anya, Fab or Fernando Midfield of Thorne, Merkel and Murray And a defence of Doyley, Hoban, Angella and Pudil Looks very decent to me[/p][/quote]I'm sorry, in what world do we want Troy playing on the wing again? We saw how ineffectual he was under Malky. Unless you mean to say the 6' 5" striker will play on the wing. What are you on about. Let alone the fact that Thorne's loan expires today, and thus far we have heard no news of an extension. Hoban is still out and all we know is he is still training at London Colney. Honestly, think about what you're saying! PozzoHornet

1:12am Fri 3 Jan 14

croxley46 says...

JohnnyHornet wrote:
jasonwatford wrote:
So far today ive read Troy to palace 3 million - Fessi to Roma - 3 million - Anya to loads of clubs £3 million Sean Murray to QPR 3.5 million....Anyone heard any other made up rumours ?
No but I heard Ken Dodd's dad's dog's dead if that helps.
Shouldn't that be "I hear Ken Dodd's dad's dog's died."
"Did he?"
"No - Doddy"
Well, worth a try - another Xmas cracker joke!
[quote][p][bold]JohnnyHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jasonwatford[/bold] wrote: So far today ive read Troy to palace 3 million - Fessi to Roma - 3 million - Anya to loads of clubs £3 million Sean Murray to QPR 3.5 million....Anyone heard any other made up rumours ?[/p][/quote]No but I heard Ken Dodd's dad's dog's dead if that helps.[/p][/quote]Shouldn't that be "I hear Ken Dodd's dad's dog's died." "Did he?" "No - Doddy" Well, worth a try - another Xmas cracker joke! croxley46

6:50am Fri 3 Jan 14

rogeruk says...

Harry's Bar wrote:
Hornet Cornet wrote:
jasonwatford wrote:
So far today ive read Troy to palace 3 million - Fessi to Roma - 3 million - Anya to loads of clubs £3 million Sean Murray to QPR 3.5 million....Anyone heard any other made up rumours ?
RogerUK to Shenley for £3.50
I thought he was your mate, one of the three wise men.
Stay off the sauce - loose talk costs lives!
[quote][p][bold]Harry's Bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jasonwatford[/bold] wrote: So far today ive read Troy to palace 3 million - Fessi to Roma - 3 million - Anya to loads of clubs £3 million Sean Murray to QPR 3.5 million....Anyone heard any other made up rumours ?[/p][/quote]RogerUK to Shenley for £3.50[/p][/quote]I thought he was your mate, one of the three wise men.[/p][/quote]Stay off the sauce - loose talk costs lives! rogeruk

6:53am Fri 3 Jan 14

rogeruk says...

bristol hornet wrote:
Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:
Don't be fooled into thinking this is all about getting into the Prem. It's not. Unless you are a top 4 prem club, you spend the extra income just trying to stay there and then suffer the financial consequences if relegated (see Boltons recent financial results). The recent extra prem income and parachute money just increases the hysteria about getting promoted => clubs spend even more trying to get promoted => even more dire financial position. Our acquisition is all about another shop-front for their pool of players, increasing their ability to develop and sell. We gain from a though-put of very decent cheap players we would never have seen otherwise, eg Vydra, Merkel.... If promotion to the prem was an absolute must, Vydra and Chalo would still be here. I'm sure the Pozzos would be delighted to get promotion, but they are sharp businessmen first and foremost, rather than egotistically chasing the premiership dream.
This is where we differ from the likes of Bolton, Palace, and the other yo-yo clubs who spend daft money just to stay in the Prem.

The Pozzo's have a much different model, and with such class players at their disposal at Udinese and Granada, they will just send over BETTER players to us equipped for the Prem.

It might seem strange to say this now, but if Zola had taken us to the promised land last season, I think he would have prospered better than in the Championship.

And with even better Italians sent over from our sister clubs, I think Zola would have survived quite comfortably this season?
if if if, if you had sense we would all be better off! Zola was a lousy coach, he got found out at West Ham and Watford. If he was coach of Man City they would be fighting relegation!
[quote][p][bold]bristol hornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mickey Quinn, not so thin[/bold] wrote: Don't be fooled into thinking this is all about getting into the Prem. It's not. Unless you are a top 4 prem club, you spend the extra income just trying to stay there and then suffer the financial consequences if relegated (see Boltons recent financial results). The recent extra prem income and parachute money just increases the hysteria about getting promoted => clubs spend even more trying to get promoted => even more dire financial position. Our acquisition is all about another shop-front for their pool of players, increasing their ability to develop and sell. We gain from a though-put of very decent cheap players we would never have seen otherwise, eg Vydra, Merkel.... If promotion to the prem was an absolute must, Vydra and Chalo would still be here. I'm sure the Pozzos would be delighted to get promotion, but they are sharp businessmen first and foremost, rather than egotistically chasing the premiership dream.[/p][/quote]This is where we differ from the likes of Bolton, Palace, and the other yo-yo clubs who spend daft money just to stay in the Prem. The Pozzo's have a much different model, and with such class players at their disposal at Udinese and Granada, they will just send over BETTER players to us equipped for the Prem. It might seem strange to say this now, but if Zola had taken us to the promised land last season, I think he would have prospered better than in the Championship. And with even better Italians sent over from our sister clubs, I think Zola would have survived quite comfortably this season?[/p][/quote]if if if, if you had sense we would all be better off! Zola was a lousy coach, he got found out at West Ham and Watford. If he was coach of Man City they would be fighting relegation! rogeruk

6:57am Fri 3 Jan 14

rogeruk says...

Mad_Hat wrote:
Mad_Hat wrote:
What position does Merkel play? Report doesn't say....
Score: -12

-12 for asking a valid question? Jesus you lot are tetchy.
Don't take any notice! It is just a bunch of sheeple with low esteem and with low IQ s whose intent is to dominate this site, they haven't got a decent brain between them!
[quote][p][bold]Mad_Hat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mad_Hat[/bold] wrote: What position does Merkel play? Report doesn't say....[/p][/quote]Score: -12 -12 for asking a valid question? Jesus you lot are tetchy.[/p][/quote]Don't take any notice! It is just a bunch of sheeple with low esteem and with low IQ s whose intent is to dominate this site, they haven't got a decent brain between them! rogeruk

7:03am Fri 3 Jan 14

rogeruk says...

Mad_Hat wrote:
Mad_Hat wrote:
What position does Merkel play? Report doesn't say....
Score: -12

-12 for asking a valid question? Jesus you lot are tetchy.
Don't take any notice! It is just a bunch of sheeple with low esteem and with low IQ s whose intent is to dominate this site, they haven't got a decent brain between them!
[quote][p][bold]Mad_Hat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mad_Hat[/bold] wrote: What position does Merkel play? Report doesn't say....[/p][/quote]Score: -12 -12 for asking a valid question? Jesus you lot are tetchy.[/p][/quote]Don't take any notice! It is just a bunch of sheeple with low esteem and with low IQ s whose intent is to dominate this site, they haven't got a decent brain between them! rogeruk

9:25am Fri 3 Jan 14

Harry's Bar says...

rogeruk wrote:
bristol hornet wrote:
Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:
Don't be fooled into thinking this is all about getting into the Prem. It's not. Unless you are a top 4 prem club, you spend the extra income just trying to stay there and then suffer the financial consequences if relegated (see Boltons recent financial results). The recent extra prem income and parachute money just increases the hysteria about getting promoted => clubs spend even more trying to get promoted => even more dire financial position. Our acquisition is all about another shop-front for their pool of players, increasing their ability to develop and sell. We gain from a though-put of very decent cheap players we would never have seen otherwise, eg Vydra, Merkel.... If promotion to the prem was an absolute must, Vydra and Chalo would still be here. I'm sure the Pozzos would be delighted to get promotion, but they are sharp businessmen first and foremost, rather than egotistically chasing the premiership dream.
This is where we differ from the likes of Bolton, Palace, and the other yo-yo clubs who spend daft money just to stay in the Prem.

The Pozzo's have a much different model, and with such class players at their disposal at Udinese and Granada, they will just send over BETTER players to us equipped for the Prem.

It might seem strange to say this now, but if Zola had taken us to the promised land last season, I think he would have prospered better than in the Championship.

And with even better Italians sent over from our sister clubs, I think Zola would have survived quite comfortably this season?
if if if, if you had sense we would all be better off! Zola was a lousy coach, he got found out at West Ham and Watford. If he was coach of Man City they would be fighting relegation!
Very harsh! It was a sad indictment of human nature when you and a few others turned on Zola.
[quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bristol hornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mickey Quinn, not so thin[/bold] wrote: Don't be fooled into thinking this is all about getting into the Prem. It's not. Unless you are a top 4 prem club, you spend the extra income just trying to stay there and then suffer the financial consequences if relegated (see Boltons recent financial results). The recent extra prem income and parachute money just increases the hysteria about getting promoted => clubs spend even more trying to get promoted => even more dire financial position. Our acquisition is all about another shop-front for their pool of players, increasing their ability to develop and sell. We gain from a though-put of very decent cheap players we would never have seen otherwise, eg Vydra, Merkel.... If promotion to the prem was an absolute must, Vydra and Chalo would still be here. I'm sure the Pozzos would be delighted to get promotion, but they are sharp businessmen first and foremost, rather than egotistically chasing the premiership dream.[/p][/quote]This is where we differ from the likes of Bolton, Palace, and the other yo-yo clubs who spend daft money just to stay in the Prem. The Pozzo's have a much different model, and with such class players at their disposal at Udinese and Granada, they will just send over BETTER players to us equipped for the Prem. It might seem strange to say this now, but if Zola had taken us to the promised land last season, I think he would have prospered better than in the Championship. And with even better Italians sent over from our sister clubs, I think Zola would have survived quite comfortably this season?[/p][/quote]if if if, if you had sense we would all be better off! Zola was a lousy coach, he got found out at West Ham and Watford. If he was coach of Man City they would be fighting relegation![/p][/quote]Very harsh! It was a sad indictment of human nature when you and a few others turned on Zola. Harry's Bar

9:52am Fri 3 Jan 14

Mickey Quinn, not so thin says...

bristol hornet wrote:
Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:
Don't be fooled into thinking this is all about getting into the Prem. It's not. Unless you are a top 4 prem club, you spend the extra income just trying to stay there and then suffer the financial consequences if relegated (see Boltons recent financial results). The recent extra prem income and parachute money just increases the hysteria about getting promoted => clubs spend even more trying to get promoted => even more dire financial position. Our acquisition is all about another shop-front for their pool of players, increasing their ability to develop and sell. We gain from a though-put of very decent cheap players we would never have seen otherwise, eg Vydra, Merkel.... If promotion to the prem was an absolute must, Vydra and Chalo would still be here. I'm sure the Pozzos would be delighted to get promotion, but they are sharp businessmen first and foremost, rather than egotistically chasing the premiership dream.
This is where we differ from the likes of Bolton, Palace, and the other yo-yo clubs who spend daft money just to stay in the Prem.

The Pozzo's have a much different model, and with such class players at their disposal at Udinese and Granada, they will just send over BETTER players to us equipped for the Prem.

It might seem strange to say this now, but if Zola had taken us to the promised land last season, I think he would have prospered better than in the Championship.

And with even better Italians sent over from our sister clubs, I think Zola would have survived quite comfortably this season?
bear in mind these "better players" are reserves who can't get into the match day squad and haven't served us too well so far this season (though merkel may change all that !). Its the equivalent to having a stream of McEachrans and Thorne's on tap.
[quote][p][bold]bristol hornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mickey Quinn, not so thin[/bold] wrote: Don't be fooled into thinking this is all about getting into the Prem. It's not. Unless you are a top 4 prem club, you spend the extra income just trying to stay there and then suffer the financial consequences if relegated (see Boltons recent financial results). The recent extra prem income and parachute money just increases the hysteria about getting promoted => clubs spend even more trying to get promoted => even more dire financial position. Our acquisition is all about another shop-front for their pool of players, increasing their ability to develop and sell. We gain from a though-put of very decent cheap players we would never have seen otherwise, eg Vydra, Merkel.... If promotion to the prem was an absolute must, Vydra and Chalo would still be here. I'm sure the Pozzos would be delighted to get promotion, but they are sharp businessmen first and foremost, rather than egotistically chasing the premiership dream.[/p][/quote]This is where we differ from the likes of Bolton, Palace, and the other yo-yo clubs who spend daft money just to stay in the Prem. The Pozzo's have a much different model, and with such class players at their disposal at Udinese and Granada, they will just send over BETTER players to us equipped for the Prem. It might seem strange to say this now, but if Zola had taken us to the promised land last season, I think he would have prospered better than in the Championship. And with even better Italians sent over from our sister clubs, I think Zola would have survived quite comfortably this season?[/p][/quote]bear in mind these "better players" are reserves who can't get into the match day squad and haven't served us too well so far this season (though merkel may change all that !). Its the equivalent to having a stream of McEachrans and Thorne's on tap. Mickey Quinn, not so thin

10:02am Fri 3 Jan 14

Mickey Quinn, not so thin says...

Oracledave wrote:
Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:
demerit wrote:
Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:
Don't be fooled into thinking this is all about getting into the Prem. It's not. Unless you are a top 4 prem club, you spend the extra income just trying to stay there and then suffer the financial consequences if relegated (see Boltons recent financial results). The recent extra prem income and parachute money just increases the hysteria about getting promoted => clubs spend even more trying to get promoted => even more dire financial position. Our acquisition is all about another shop-front for their pool of players, increasing their ability to develop and sell. We gain from a though-put of very decent cheap players we would never have seen otherwise, eg Vydra, Merkel.... If promotion to the prem was an absolute must, Vydra and Chalo would still be here. I'm sure the Pozzos would be delighted to get promotion, but they are sharp businessmen first and foremost, rather than egotistically chasing the premiership dream.
Sorry, this is wrong, even though it is a plausible take on the situation.

Watford was singled out as the optimum way of getting into the richest league in the world in terms of opportunity (the Bassini factor), capital outlay (cheap)and potential. Their objective is to get into the Premier League at all costs, within good business reason, and once there will adopt the WBA model. Please, I am not a smartarse but I do have this on good authority.
....Not "at all costs". Loaning Vydra to WBA after promising us he'd be back was to protect their investment in Vydra rather than us. Chalo would have been a great addition to the team but at £30k+ a week they deemed too expensive, so didn't pay and let him go to a competitor. Likewise if they get a good offer for Murray, Anya or Deeney, they will consider it. I'm sure they'd love to go up but they won't gamble by ignoring good sales opportunities simply because they know there's still no guarantee of going up if they don't sell. They are excellent businessmen and we are lucky to have them as our owners but we are not going to see £ms turned away in order to buy promotion.
MQ - You have moderated your original argument. I never said that promotion would be sought at all costs, just that it was the overriding aim. NC was a step too far given his greatly enhanced salary. And given his level of involvement with Forest thus far that may not have turned out too badly.

You may also recall that Vydra was expected to return according to G. Pozzo - then his agent got involved and MV was quoted as saying that he would not play in the Championship again. We saw his dramatic drop in effectiveness last season after Christmas (until the fateful Leicester game) when all the January Prem offers had been rejected. What might we have expected if he had been forced to return ? And what do you think would have happened to MV if we had won either of those critical final games ?

As others have suggested you have been somewhat selective in using certain examples to support you argument. Yes, Bolton and Birmingham seem to be close to financial 'melt down' but others such as West Brom and Stoke are doing ok. In the Baggies case this has involved a degree of 'yoyoing' up and down but that is not necessarily a disaster as long as contracts are structured properly to account for different levels of income. The justified criticism of Bolton and QPR (and previously Wolves) is that they failed to insist on such clauses in some or all of their player's contracts.

Also we now have two extremely relevant recent factors. First, financial 'fair play' in terms of permitted expenditure and of course four year 'parachute' payments. Given the structure of the Pozzo 'empire' we may be in stronger position than most to accommodate these changes - nominal fee transfers etc.
The "at all costs" comment was directed at Demerit who had made that statement.

Regarding financial difficulty, yes others such as WBA and Stoke ARE doing ok ...because they are still in the prem ! My point was that you have to spend what you earn while you are up so don't necessarily make big bucks just by being there. The problems then start of you've spent big bucks to stay there and then get relegated and don't bounce back. its not just Bolton and Bham, you can add Soton. Portsmouth, Sheff Wed, Coventry, leeds plus others. In fact the number of clubs who go up, come down and don't get straight back up, and DON'T then hit financial problems are fewer than those that do.

My point was simply that getting into the prem league doesn't in itself make you rich due to the additional costs of staying there. While the Pozzos would love to get promotion they accept its a possibility rather than a certainty and they won't chase it with big bucks.
[quote][p][bold]Oracledave[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mickey Quinn, not so thin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]demerit[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mickey Quinn, not so thin[/bold] wrote: Don't be fooled into thinking this is all about getting into the Prem. It's not. Unless you are a top 4 prem club, you spend the extra income just trying to stay there and then suffer the financial consequences if relegated (see Boltons recent financial results). The recent extra prem income and parachute money just increases the hysteria about getting promoted => clubs spend even more trying to get promoted => even more dire financial position. Our acquisition is all about another shop-front for their pool of players, increasing their ability to develop and sell. We gain from a though-put of very decent cheap players we would never have seen otherwise, eg Vydra, Merkel.... If promotion to the prem was an absolute must, Vydra and Chalo would still be here. I'm sure the Pozzos would be delighted to get promotion, but they are sharp businessmen first and foremost, rather than egotistically chasing the premiership dream.[/p][/quote]Sorry, this is wrong, even though it is a plausible take on the situation. Watford was singled out as the optimum way of getting into the richest league in the world in terms of opportunity (the Bassini factor), capital outlay (cheap)and potential. Their objective is to get into the Premier League at all costs, within good business reason, and once there will adopt the WBA model. Please, I am not a smartarse but I do have this on good authority.[/p][/quote]....Not "at all costs". Loaning Vydra to WBA after promising us he'd be back was to protect their investment in Vydra rather than us. Chalo would have been a great addition to the team but at £30k+ a week they deemed too expensive, so didn't pay and let him go to a competitor. Likewise if they get a good offer for Murray, Anya or Deeney, they will consider it. I'm sure they'd love to go up but they won't gamble by ignoring good sales opportunities simply because they know there's still no guarantee of going up if they don't sell. They are excellent businessmen and we are lucky to have them as our owners but we are not going to see £ms turned away in order to buy promotion.[/p][/quote]MQ - You have moderated your original argument. I never said that promotion would be sought at all costs, just that it was the overriding aim. NC was a step too far given his greatly enhanced salary. And given his level of involvement with Forest thus far that may not have turned out too badly. You may also recall that Vydra was expected to return according to G. Pozzo - then his agent got involved and MV was quoted as saying that he would not play in the Championship again. We saw his dramatic drop in effectiveness last season after Christmas (until the fateful Leicester game) when all the January Prem offers had been rejected. What might we have expected if he had been forced to return ? And what do you think would have happened to MV if we had won either of those critical final games ? As others have suggested you have been somewhat selective in using certain examples to support you argument. Yes, Bolton and Birmingham seem to be close to financial 'melt down' but others such as West Brom and Stoke are doing ok. In the Baggies case this has involved a degree of 'yoyoing' up and down but that is not necessarily a disaster as long as contracts are structured properly to account for different levels of income. The justified criticism of Bolton and QPR (and previously Wolves) is that they failed to insist on such clauses in some or all of their player's contracts. Also we now have two extremely relevant recent factors. First, financial 'fair play' in terms of permitted expenditure and of course four year 'parachute' payments. Given the structure of the Pozzo 'empire' we may be in stronger position than most to accommodate these changes - nominal fee transfers etc.[/p][/quote]The "at all costs" comment was directed at Demerit who had made that statement. Regarding financial difficulty, yes others such as WBA and Stoke ARE doing ok ...because they are still in the prem ! My point was that you have to spend what you earn while you are up so don't necessarily make big bucks just by being there. The problems then start of you've spent big bucks to stay there and then get relegated and don't bounce back. its not just Bolton and Bham, you can add Soton. Portsmouth, Sheff Wed, Coventry, leeds plus others. In fact the number of clubs who go up, come down and don't get straight back up, and DON'T then hit financial problems are fewer than those that do. My point was simply that getting into the prem league doesn't in itself make you rich due to the additional costs of staying there. While the Pozzos would love to get promotion they accept its a possibility rather than a certainty and they won't chase it with big bucks. Mickey Quinn, not so thin

10:03am Fri 3 Jan 14

Mickey Quinn, not so thin says...

Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:
bristol hornet wrote:
Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:
Don't be fooled into thinking this is all about getting into the Prem. It's not. Unless you are a top 4 prem club, you spend the extra income just trying to stay there and then suffer the financial consequences if relegated (see Boltons recent financial results). The recent extra prem income and parachute money just increases the hysteria about getting promoted => clubs spend even more trying to get promoted => even more dire financial position. Our acquisition is all about another shop-front for their pool of players, increasing their ability to develop and sell. We gain from a though-put of very decent cheap players we would never have seen otherwise, eg Vydra, Merkel.... If promotion to the prem was an absolute must, Vydra and Chalo would still be here. I'm sure the Pozzos would be delighted to get promotion, but they are sharp businessmen first and foremost, rather than egotistically chasing the premiership dream.
This is where we differ from the likes of Bolton, Palace, and the other yo-yo clubs who spend daft money just to stay in the Prem.

The Pozzo's have a much different model, and with such class players at their disposal at Udinese and Granada, they will just send over BETTER players to us equipped for the Prem.

It might seem strange to say this now, but if Zola had taken us to the promised land last season, I think he would have prospered better than in the Championship.

And with even better Italians sent over from our sister clubs, I think Zola would have survived quite comfortably this season?
bear in mind these "better players" are reserves who can't get into the match day squad and haven't served us too well so far this season (though merkel may change all that !). Its the equivalent to having a stream of McEachrans and Thorne's on tap.
...into UDINESES's match day squad I meant of course....
[quote][p][bold]Mickey Quinn, not so thin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bristol hornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mickey Quinn, not so thin[/bold] wrote: Don't be fooled into thinking this is all about getting into the Prem. It's not. Unless you are a top 4 prem club, you spend the extra income just trying to stay there and then suffer the financial consequences if relegated (see Boltons recent financial results). The recent extra prem income and parachute money just increases the hysteria about getting promoted => clubs spend even more trying to get promoted => even more dire financial position. Our acquisition is all about another shop-front for their pool of players, increasing their ability to develop and sell. We gain from a though-put of very decent cheap players we would never have seen otherwise, eg Vydra, Merkel.... If promotion to the prem was an absolute must, Vydra and Chalo would still be here. I'm sure the Pozzos would be delighted to get promotion, but they are sharp businessmen first and foremost, rather than egotistically chasing the premiership dream.[/p][/quote]This is where we differ from the likes of Bolton, Palace, and the other yo-yo clubs who spend daft money just to stay in the Prem. The Pozzo's have a much different model, and with such class players at their disposal at Udinese and Granada, they will just send over BETTER players to us equipped for the Prem. It might seem strange to say this now, but if Zola had taken us to the promised land last season, I think he would have prospered better than in the Championship. And with even better Italians sent over from our sister clubs, I think Zola would have survived quite comfortably this season?[/p][/quote]bear in mind these "better players" are reserves who can't get into the match day squad and haven't served us too well so far this season (though merkel may change all that !). Its the equivalent to having a stream of McEachrans and Thorne's on tap.[/p][/quote]...into UDINESES's match day squad I meant of course.... Mickey Quinn, not so thin

10:56am Fri 3 Jan 14

Bertster says...

bigmeuprudeboy wrote:
433 formation I hope

A front three of Deeney, Ranegie and one of Anya, Fab or Fernando

Midfield of Thorne, Merkel and Murray

And a defence of Doyley, Hoban, Angella and Pudil


Looks very decent to me
Thorne has gone back to WBA. As so has Hector Bellerin to Arsenal, and Josh McEachran to Chelsea. Loan deals expired 01.01.2014
[quote][p][bold]bigmeuprudeboy[/bold] wrote: 433 formation I hope A front three of Deeney, Ranegie and one of Anya, Fab or Fernando Midfield of Thorne, Merkel and Murray And a defence of Doyley, Hoban, Angella and Pudil Looks very decent to me[/p][/quote]Thorne has gone back to WBA. As so has Hector Bellerin to Arsenal, and Josh McEachran to Chelsea. Loan deals expired 01.01.2014 Bertster

1:55pm Fri 3 Jan 14

bigmeuprudeboy says...

ralear49 wrote:
just saw a report that Arsenal are interested in Berbatov for 2 million. Can we have him please?
Id rather we signed the best young striker outside the prem...



He plays for Peterborough
[quote][p][bold]ralear49[/bold] wrote: just saw a report that Arsenal are interested in Berbatov for 2 million. Can we have him please?[/p][/quote]Id rather we signed the best young striker outside the prem... He plays for Peterborough bigmeuprudeboy

2:05pm Fri 3 Jan 14

bigmeuprudeboy says...

PozzoHornet wrote:
bigmeuprudeboy wrote:
433 formation I hope

A front three of Deeney, Ranegie and one of Anya, Fab or Fernando

Midfield of Thorne, Merkel and Murray

And a defence of Doyley, Hoban, Angella and Pudil


Looks very decent to me
I'm sorry, in what world do we want Troy playing on the wing again? We saw how ineffectual he was under Malky. Unless you mean to say the 6' 5" striker will play on the wing. What are you on about. Let alone the fact that Thorne's loan expires today, and thus far we have heard no news of an extension. Hoban is still out and all we know is he is still training at London Colney. Honestly, think about what you're saying!
I would play Deeney and Ranegie up top with Fabbrini, Fessi or Anya in the number 10 withdrawn striker role. I agree, Deeney shouldn't be on the wing but I never suggested he should be.
Playing just behind the two main strikers suits all three of Fabbrini, Fessi or Anya.
[quote][p][bold]PozzoHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigmeuprudeboy[/bold] wrote: 433 formation I hope A front three of Deeney, Ranegie and one of Anya, Fab or Fernando Midfield of Thorne, Merkel and Murray And a defence of Doyley, Hoban, Angella and Pudil Looks very decent to me[/p][/quote]I'm sorry, in what world do we want Troy playing on the wing again? We saw how ineffectual he was under Malky. Unless you mean to say the 6' 5" striker will play on the wing. What are you on about. Let alone the fact that Thorne's loan expires today, and thus far we have heard no news of an extension. Hoban is still out and all we know is he is still training at London Colney. Honestly, think about what you're saying![/p][/quote]I would play Deeney and Ranegie up top with Fabbrini, Fessi or Anya in the number 10 withdrawn striker role. I agree, Deeney shouldn't be on the wing but I never suggested he should be. Playing just behind the two main strikers suits all three of Fabbrini, Fessi or Anya. bigmeuprudeboy

2:23pm Fri 3 Jan 14

ramage1996 says...

bigmeuprudeboy wrote:
PozzoHornet wrote:
bigmeuprudeboy wrote:
433 formation I hope

A front three of Deeney, Ranegie and one of Anya, Fab or Fernando

Midfield of Thorne, Merkel and Murray

And a defence of Doyley, Hoban, Angella and Pudil


Looks very decent to me
I'm sorry, in what world do we want Troy playing on the wing again? We saw how ineffectual he was under Malky. Unless you mean to say the 6' 5" striker will play on the wing. What are you on about. Let alone the fact that Thorne's loan expires today, and thus far we have heard no news of an extension. Hoban is still out and all we know is he is still training at London Colney. Honestly, think about what you're saying!
I would play Deeney and Ranegie up top with Fabbrini, Fessi or Anya in the number 10 withdrawn striker role. I agree, Deeney shouldn't be on the wing but I never suggested he should be.
Playing just behind the two main strikers suits all three of Fabbrini, Fessi or Anya.
I agree, where did it say that you wanted Deeney or Ranegie on the wing?
Three up front with Fabrinni or Forrestieri just behind Deeney and Ranegie would work well imho.

Re: PozzoHornet and his 'Honestly, think about what you're saying!' quote.
Have you never heard of the withdrawn striker role? You obviously were not paying attention when Cantona, Bergkamp, Zola, Sheringham, Totti were playing.
[quote][p][bold]bigmeuprudeboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PozzoHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigmeuprudeboy[/bold] wrote: 433 formation I hope A front three of Deeney, Ranegie and one of Anya, Fab or Fernando Midfield of Thorne, Merkel and Murray And a defence of Doyley, Hoban, Angella and Pudil Looks very decent to me[/p][/quote]I'm sorry, in what world do we want Troy playing on the wing again? We saw how ineffectual he was under Malky. Unless you mean to say the 6' 5" striker will play on the wing. What are you on about. Let alone the fact that Thorne's loan expires today, and thus far we have heard no news of an extension. Hoban is still out and all we know is he is still training at London Colney. Honestly, think about what you're saying![/p][/quote]I would play Deeney and Ranegie up top with Fabbrini, Fessi or Anya in the number 10 withdrawn striker role. I agree, Deeney shouldn't be on the wing but I never suggested he should be. Playing just behind the two main strikers suits all three of Fabbrini, Fessi or Anya.[/p][/quote]I agree, where did it say that you wanted Deeney or Ranegie on the wing? Three up front with Fabrinni or Forrestieri just behind Deeney and Ranegie would work well imho. Re: PozzoHornet and his 'Honestly, think about what you're saying!' quote. Have you never heard of the withdrawn striker role? You obviously were not paying attention when Cantona, Bergkamp, Zola, Sheringham, Totti were playing. ramage1996

3:14pm Sun 5 Jan 14

Deeney96.44' says...

jasonwatford wrote:
So far today ive read Troy to palace 3 million - Fessi to Roma - 3 million - Anya to loads of clubs £3 million Sean Murray to QPR 3.5 million....Anyone heard any other made up rumours ?
I heard Bond to Arsenal for £1million
[quote][p][bold]jasonwatford[/bold] wrote: So far today ive read Troy to palace 3 million - Fessi to Roma - 3 million - Anya to loads of clubs £3 million Sean Murray to QPR 3.5 million....Anyone heard any other made up rumours ?[/p][/quote]I heard Bond to Arsenal for £1million Deeney96.44'

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