Watford boss Beppe Sannino happy with Hornets display at Bristol City and admits 1-1 draw was a fair result

Watford Observer: Beppe Sannino. Picture: Action Images Beppe Sannino. Picture: Action Images

Watford head coach Beppe Sannino believes the 1-1 draw at Bristol City in the FA Cup third round was a fair result but admitted the Hornets should have held on after taking the lead with only six minutes to play.  

Sean Murray looked to have scored the winner for the Golden Boys with his driven effort in the 84th minute but Jay Emmanuel-Thomas equalised for Bristol City almost immediately after to force a replay.

Sannino was pleased with his team's performance and said the only negative was that the Hornets were unable to see out the victory.

"I want to compliment my players - the main negative is we weren’t able to capitalise on the lead we had," the Italian said after his first FA Cup match.

"I think it was a fair result and we have to give credit to Bristol who played a good game - I think at the end 1-1 was a fair result."

He added: "It’s part of football - we weren’t able to take advantage of the lead but I have to compliment Bristol because they deserved to equalise."

The League One outfit were more than a match for the Hornets in an even contest at Ashton Gate.

When asked if he was expecting such a tough examination from lower-placed opposition, Sannino said: "I was aware that in a competition like the FA Cup, when you play a team one league below, it is never easy.

"Tonight it has been said to me that there have been some strange results with other teams so I was expecting it to be a tough game."

Watford were missing a number of players for the match including Fernando Forestieri, Ikechi Anya, Daniel Pudil and Davide Faraoni, while Marco Cassetti went off at half-time with a knock and Lewis McGugan was also struggling at the break.

Sannino said: "The main positive is even though we were struggling for numbers, we came here to be positive in the game. 

"Another thing is we were able to suffer in the game and we had to be patient.

"I know we can do better but there are a lot of games at the moment, it is a very tight schedule."

Read what Bristol City's manager Steve Cotterill thought of the 1-1 draw by clicking here.

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6:55pm Sat 4 Jan 14

tonyevans22 says...

Jesus if he happy with drawing against city then you need to take a look at yourself.That was awful.Don't blame injuries and players out as Zola struggled with that for most of the season.We were playing a lower league side and yet our main striker could only musta one effort on goal.City had more chances and should of won.We looked clueless going forward.Deeney did nothing.Lewis was the only player to turn up along with Murray.This was as bad as the QPR game except we scored a goal.Football is about scoring goals,Entertainment,
not defend and play like you have just met each other.
Jesus if he happy with drawing against city then you need to take a look at yourself.That was awful.Don't blame injuries and players out as Zola struggled with that for most of the season.We were playing a lower league side and yet our main striker could only musta one effort on goal.City had more chances and should of won.We looked clueless going forward.Deeney did nothing.Lewis was the only player to turn up along with Murray.This was as bad as the QPR game except we scored a goal.Football is about scoring goals,Entertainment, not defend and play like you have just met each other. tonyevans22

7:04pm Sat 4 Jan 14

-Nightingale- says...

tonyevans22 wrote:
Jesus if he happy with drawing against city then you need to take a look at yourself.That was awful.Don't blame injuries and players out as Zola struggled with that for most of the season.We were playing a lower league side and yet our main striker could only musta one effort on goal.City had more chances and should of won.We looked clueless going forward.Deeney did nothing.Lewis was the only player to turn up along with Murray.This was as bad as the QPR game except we scored a goal.Football is about scoring goals,Entertainment,

not defend and play like you have just met each other.
Complete imbecile. This is the new manager's 4th game. He is clearly working at tightening up the defence to start with. Only conceded 2 goals in 4 games which is a vast improvement. The attacking side will improve. Unfortunately some idiots expect instant results
[quote][p][bold]tonyevans22[/bold] wrote: Jesus if he happy with drawing against city then you need to take a look at yourself.That was awful.Don't blame injuries and players out as Zola struggled with that for most of the season.We were playing a lower league side and yet our main striker could only musta one effort on goal.City had more chances and should of won.We looked clueless going forward.Deeney did nothing.Lewis was the only player to turn up along with Murray.This was as bad as the QPR game except we scored a goal.Football is about scoring goals,Entertainment, not defend and play like you have just met each other.[/p][/quote]Complete imbecile. This is the new manager's 4th game. He is clearly working at tightening up the defence to start with. Only conceded 2 goals in 4 games which is a vast improvement. The attacking side will improve. Unfortunately some idiots expect instant results -Nightingale-

7:32pm Sat 4 Jan 14

tonyevans22 says...

-Nightingale- wrote:
tonyevans22 wrote:
Jesus if he happy with drawing against city then you need to take a look at yourself.That was awful.Don't blame injuries and players out as Zola struggled with that for most of the season.We were playing a lower league side and yet our main striker could only musta one effort on goal.City had more chances and should of won.We looked clueless going forward.Deeney did nothing.Lewis was the only player to turn up along with Murray.This was as bad as the QPR game except we scored a goal.Football is about scoring goals,Entertainment,


not defend and play like you have just met each other.
Complete imbecile. This is the new manager's 4th game. He is clearly working at tightening up the defence to start with. Only conceded 2 goals in 4 games which is a vast improvement. The attacking side will improve. Unfortunately some idiots expect instant results
That's ok then,clearly working at us tightening up a defence at a lower league club who should have beaten us.Scoring goals wins games not playing in a negative defensive manner.We can't even keep the ball.Deeney 2 shots in 180 mins,Service is poor,going forward with intent has all but disappeared in the last 2 games.Unfortunately some idiots are prepared to watch Negative based football and think its great cos we kept a clean sheet.Just in case you forgot,the Art of the game is to score goals,and more than the opposition,and offer some kind of entertainment value.Brendan Rogers has returned with a bald head,and most castrated his slow passing sideways football.I clearly want to see attacking football with some shots on goal,not all from 30 yards because there is no other options.Score goals first then defend as a unit but learning to defend at 0-0 does not make any sense.Zola's football excited me,this was as drab as it gets yet again!
[quote][p][bold]-Nightingale-[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tonyevans22[/bold] wrote: Jesus if he happy with drawing against city then you need to take a look at yourself.That was awful.Don't blame injuries and players out as Zola struggled with that for most of the season.We were playing a lower league side and yet our main striker could only musta one effort on goal.City had more chances and should of won.We looked clueless going forward.Deeney did nothing.Lewis was the only player to turn up along with Murray.This was as bad as the QPR game except we scored a goal.Football is about scoring goals,Entertainment, not defend and play like you have just met each other.[/p][/quote]Complete imbecile. This is the new manager's 4th game. He is clearly working at tightening up the defence to start with. Only conceded 2 goals in 4 games which is a vast improvement. The attacking side will improve. Unfortunately some idiots expect instant results[/p][/quote]That's ok then,clearly working at us tightening up a defence at a lower league club who should have beaten us.Scoring goals wins games not playing in a negative defensive manner.We can't even keep the ball.Deeney 2 shots in 180 mins,Service is poor,going forward with intent has all but disappeared in the last 2 games.Unfortunately some idiots are prepared to watch Negative based football and think its great cos we kept a clean sheet.Just in case you forgot,the Art of the game is to score goals,and more than the opposition,and offer some kind of entertainment value.Brendan Rogers has returned with a bald head,and most castrated his slow passing sideways football.I clearly want to see attacking football with some shots on goal,not all from 30 yards because there is no other options.Score goals first then defend as a unit but learning to defend at 0-0 does not make any sense.Zola's football excited me,this was as drab as it gets yet again! tonyevans22

7:35pm Sat 4 Jan 14

mickallen57 says...

Couldn't agree more Nightingale. We are un-beaten in 4 games he (Sannino ) has steadied a sinking ship . This is a work in progress, and anyone who thinks other wise is deluded . Aston Villa , Doncaster and Huddersfield have all fallen to lower league teams . Yes we struggled a bit today ,but we are still in it. COYH
Couldn't agree more Nightingale. We are un-beaten in 4 games he (Sannino ) has steadied a sinking ship . This is a work in progress, and anyone who thinks other wise is deluded . Aston Villa , Doncaster and Huddersfield have all fallen to lower league teams . Yes we struggled a bit today ,but we are still in it. COYH mickallen57

7:51pm Sat 4 Jan 14

mellow yellow says...

tonyevans22 wrote:
-Nightingale- wrote:
tonyevans22 wrote:
Jesus if he happy with drawing against city then you need to take a look at yourself.That was awful.Don't blame injuries and players out as Zola struggled with that for most of the season.We were playing a lower league side and yet our main striker could only musta one effort on goal.City had more chances and should of won.We looked clueless going forward.Deeney did nothing.Lewis was the only player to turn up along with Murray.This was as bad as the QPR game except we scored a goal.Football is about scoring goals,Entertainment,



not defend and play like you have just met each other.
Complete imbecile. This is the new manager's 4th game. He is clearly working at tightening up the defence to start with. Only conceded 2 goals in 4 games which is a vast improvement. The attacking side will improve. Unfortunately some idiots expect instant results
That's ok then,clearly working at us tightening up a defence at a lower league club who should have beaten us.Scoring goals wins games not playing in a negative defensive manner.We can't even keep the ball.Deeney 2 shots in 180 mins,Service is poor,going forward with intent has all but disappeared in the last 2 games.Unfortunately some idiots are prepared to watch Negative based football and think its great cos we kept a clean sheet.Just in case you forgot,the Art of the game is to score goals,and more than the opposition,and offer some kind of entertainment value.Brendan Rogers has returned with a bald head,and most castrated his slow passing sideways football.I clearly want to see attacking football with some shots on goal,not all from 30 yards because there is no other options.Score goals first then defend as a unit but learning to defend at 0-0 does not make any sense.Zola's football excited me,this was as drab as it gets yet again!
So presumably you were delighted by our worrying performances in the last couple of months under Zola, and never, ever, not even once voiced any concerns. The heart of any successful team is the defence. I am pleased we look more assured at the back. You seem to be of the mindset that every team in a league below should be rightly spanked. Tell that to Southend and Sheffield United today...

Give it two months before berating a new coach in a new country. Jeez.
[quote][p][bold]tonyevans22[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]-Nightingale-[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tonyevans22[/bold] wrote: Jesus if he happy with drawing against city then you need to take a look at yourself.That was awful.Don't blame injuries and players out as Zola struggled with that for most of the season.We were playing a lower league side and yet our main striker could only musta one effort on goal.City had more chances and should of won.We looked clueless going forward.Deeney did nothing.Lewis was the only player to turn up along with Murray.This was as bad as the QPR game except we scored a goal.Football is about scoring goals,Entertainment, not defend and play like you have just met each other.[/p][/quote]Complete imbecile. This is the new manager's 4th game. He is clearly working at tightening up the defence to start with. Only conceded 2 goals in 4 games which is a vast improvement. The attacking side will improve. Unfortunately some idiots expect instant results[/p][/quote]That's ok then,clearly working at us tightening up a defence at a lower league club who should have beaten us.Scoring goals wins games not playing in a negative defensive manner.We can't even keep the ball.Deeney 2 shots in 180 mins,Service is poor,going forward with intent has all but disappeared in the last 2 games.Unfortunately some idiots are prepared to watch Negative based football and think its great cos we kept a clean sheet.Just in case you forgot,the Art of the game is to score goals,and more than the opposition,and offer some kind of entertainment value.Brendan Rogers has returned with a bald head,and most castrated his slow passing sideways football.I clearly want to see attacking football with some shots on goal,not all from 30 yards because there is no other options.Score goals first then defend as a unit but learning to defend at 0-0 does not make any sense.Zola's football excited me,this was as drab as it gets yet again![/p][/quote]So presumably you were delighted by our worrying performances in the last couple of months under Zola, and never, ever, not even once voiced any concerns. The heart of any successful team is the defence. I am pleased we look more assured at the back. You seem to be of the mindset that every team in a league below should be rightly spanked. Tell that to Southend and Sheffield United today... Give it two months before berating a new coach in a new country. Jeez. mellow yellow

7:53pm Sat 4 Jan 14

mickallen57 says...

Sorry about this an error in teams losing to lower placed clubs. Huddersfield as previously stated was incorrect as they won . However add to the list Barnsley ; Millwall; and Leeds . COYH
Sorry about this an error in teams losing to lower placed clubs. Huddersfield as previously stated was incorrect as they won . However add to the list Barnsley ; Millwall; and Leeds . COYH mickallen57

8:35pm Sat 4 Jan 14

tonyevans22 says...

mellow yellow wrote:
tonyevans22 wrote:
-Nightingale- wrote:
tonyevans22 wrote:
Jesus if he happy with drawing against city then you need to take a look at yourself.That was awful.Don't blame injuries and players out as Zola struggled with that for most of the season.We were playing a lower league side and yet our main striker could only musta one effort on goal.City had more chances and should of won.We looked clueless going forward.Deeney did nothing.Lewis was the only player to turn up along with Murray.This was as bad as the QPR game except we scored a goal.Football is about scoring goals,Entertainment,




not defend and play like you have just met each other.
Complete imbecile. This is the new manager's 4th game. He is clearly working at tightening up the defence to start with. Only conceded 2 goals in 4 games which is a vast improvement. The attacking side will improve. Unfortunately some idiots expect instant results
That's ok then,clearly working at us tightening up a defence at a lower league club who should have beaten us.Scoring goals wins games not playing in a negative defensive manner.We can't even keep the ball.Deeney 2 shots in 180 mins,Service is poor,going forward with intent has all but disappeared in the last 2 games.Unfortunately some idiots are prepared to watch Negative based football and think its great cos we kept a clean sheet.Just in case you forgot,the Art of the game is to score goals,and more than the opposition,and offer some kind of entertainment value.Brendan Rogers has returned with a bald head,and most castrated his slow passing sideways football.I clearly want to see attacking football with some shots on goal,not all from 30 yards because there is no other options.Score goals first then defend as a unit but learning to defend at 0-0 does not make any sense.Zola's football excited me,this was as drab as it gets yet again!
So presumably you were delighted by our worrying performances in the last couple of months under Zola, and never, ever, not even once voiced any concerns. The heart of any successful team is the defence. I am pleased we look more assured at the back. You seem to be of the mindset that every team in a league below should be rightly spanked. Tell that to Southend and Sheffield United today...

Give it two months before berating a new coach in a new country. Jeez.
Our worrying performances was because we never had a stable defence under Zola,Ekstrand,Doyley
,Hall,Hoban,Nosworth
y etc all out injured at various times.Abdi out all season,Losing Chalabah ,Vydra and Anya out as well.You can't just wave a magic wand and replace them players.Zola lost the core of his squad that done so well last year.With the core of these injured players coming back and these new editions,which should have been addressed in August I was confident Zola would turn it around.The problem now is where are the goals coming from,Deeney isolated upfront,no service,and lewis shooting from 25 yards 9 times out of 10 because there is no other options to aim at.QPR was like a chest game,and they never played a striker to threaten us until late 2nd half,we never had a clue how to break them down.Ipswich(a) we got out of jail with one effort on goal.Millwall 2 pens and 10 men for 80mins,result never in doubt.Bristol city played 2 at the back for godsake,replacing all there defenders during the 2nd half with attacking players,yet we only managed a long range effort to score.And with the core of players we have we should spank teams like City,because if you can't put teams like that to bed then where do you see us gaining promotion that everyone keeps going on about,because there are better teams in our division than them.
[quote][p][bold]mellow yellow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tonyevans22[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]-Nightingale-[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tonyevans22[/bold] wrote: Jesus if he happy with drawing against city then you need to take a look at yourself.That was awful.Don't blame injuries and players out as Zola struggled with that for most of the season.We were playing a lower league side and yet our main striker could only musta one effort on goal.City had more chances and should of won.We looked clueless going forward.Deeney did nothing.Lewis was the only player to turn up along with Murray.This was as bad as the QPR game except we scored a goal.Football is about scoring goals,Entertainment, not defend and play like you have just met each other.[/p][/quote]Complete imbecile. This is the new manager's 4th game. He is clearly working at tightening up the defence to start with. Only conceded 2 goals in 4 games which is a vast improvement. The attacking side will improve. Unfortunately some idiots expect instant results[/p][/quote]That's ok then,clearly working at us tightening up a defence at a lower league club who should have beaten us.Scoring goals wins games not playing in a negative defensive manner.We can't even keep the ball.Deeney 2 shots in 180 mins,Service is poor,going forward with intent has all but disappeared in the last 2 games.Unfortunately some idiots are prepared to watch Negative based football and think its great cos we kept a clean sheet.Just in case you forgot,the Art of the game is to score goals,and more than the opposition,and offer some kind of entertainment value.Brendan Rogers has returned with a bald head,and most castrated his slow passing sideways football.I clearly want to see attacking football with some shots on goal,not all from 30 yards because there is no other options.Score goals first then defend as a unit but learning to defend at 0-0 does not make any sense.Zola's football excited me,this was as drab as it gets yet again![/p][/quote]So presumably you were delighted by our worrying performances in the last couple of months under Zola, and never, ever, not even once voiced any concerns. The heart of any successful team is the defence. I am pleased we look more assured at the back. You seem to be of the mindset that every team in a league below should be rightly spanked. Tell that to Southend and Sheffield United today... Give it two months before berating a new coach in a new country. Jeez.[/p][/quote]Our worrying performances was because we never had a stable defence under Zola,Ekstrand,Doyley ,Hall,Hoban,Nosworth y etc all out injured at various times.Abdi out all season,Losing Chalabah ,Vydra and Anya out as well.You can't just wave a magic wand and replace them players.Zola lost the core of his squad that done so well last year.With the core of these injured players coming back and these new editions,which should have been addressed in August I was confident Zola would turn it around.The problem now is where are the goals coming from,Deeney isolated upfront,no service,and lewis shooting from 25 yards 9 times out of 10 because there is no other options to aim at.QPR was like a chest game,and they never played a striker to threaten us until late 2nd half,we never had a clue how to break them down.Ipswich(a) we got out of jail with one effort on goal.Millwall 2 pens and 10 men for 80mins,result never in doubt.Bristol city played 2 at the back for godsake,replacing all there defenders during the 2nd half with attacking players,yet we only managed a long range effort to score.And with the core of players we have we should spank teams like City,because if you can't put teams like that to bed then where do you see us gaining promotion that everyone keeps going on about,because there are better teams in our division than them. tonyevans22

9:00pm Sat 4 Jan 14

SAHornet says...

tonyevans22 wrote:
mellow yellow wrote:
tonyevans22 wrote:
-Nightingale- wrote:
tonyevans22 wrote:
Jesus if he happy with drawing against city then you need to take a look at yourself.That was awful.Don't blame injuries and players out as Zola struggled with that for most of the season.We were playing a lower league side and yet our main striker could only musta one effort on goal.City had more chances and should of won.We looked clueless going forward.Deeney did nothing.Lewis was the only player to turn up along with Murray.This was as bad as the QPR game except we scored a goal.Football is about scoring goals,Entertainment,





not defend and play like you have just met each other.
Complete imbecile. This is the new manager's 4th game. He is clearly working at tightening up the defence to start with. Only conceded 2 goals in 4 games which is a vast improvement. The attacking side will improve. Unfortunately some idiots expect instant results
That's ok then,clearly working at us tightening up a defence at a lower league club who should have beaten us.Scoring goals wins games not playing in a negative defensive manner.We can't even keep the ball.Deeney 2 shots in 180 mins,Service is poor,going forward with intent has all but disappeared in the last 2 games.Unfortunately some idiots are prepared to watch Negative based football and think its great cos we kept a clean sheet.Just in case you forgot,the Art of the game is to score goals,and more than the opposition,and offer some kind of entertainment value.Brendan Rogers has returned with a bald head,and most castrated his slow passing sideways football.I clearly want to see attacking football with some shots on goal,not all from 30 yards because there is no other options.Score goals first then defend as a unit but learning to defend at 0-0 does not make any sense.Zola's football excited me,this was as drab as it gets yet again!
So presumably you were delighted by our worrying performances in the last couple of months under Zola, and never, ever, not even once voiced any concerns. The heart of any successful team is the defence. I am pleased we look more assured at the back. You seem to be of the mindset that every team in a league below should be rightly spanked. Tell that to Southend and Sheffield United today...

Give it two months before berating a new coach in a new country. Jeez.
Our worrying performances was because we never had a stable defence under Zola,Ekstrand,Doyley

,Hall,Hoban,Nosworth

y etc all out injured at various times.Abdi out all season,Losing Chalabah ,Vydra and Anya out as well.You can't just wave a magic wand and replace them players.Zola lost the core of his squad that done so well last year.With the core of these injured players coming back and these new editions,which should have been addressed in August I was confident Zola would turn it around.The problem now is where are the goals coming from,Deeney isolated upfront,no service,and lewis shooting from 25 yards 9 times out of 10 because there is no other options to aim at.QPR was like a chest game,and they never played a striker to threaten us until late 2nd half,we never had a clue how to break them down.Ipswich(a) we got out of jail with one effort on goal.Millwall 2 pens and 10 men for 80mins,result never in doubt.Bristol city played 2 at the back for godsake,replacing all there defenders during the 2nd half with attacking players,yet we only managed a long range effort to score.And with the core of players we have we should spank teams like City,because if you can't put teams like that to bed then where do you see us gaining promotion that everyone keeps going on about,because there are better teams in our division than them.
Sannino has already told Troy to be patient for a few weeks while he sorts out the defence. It was mainly the defence that cost us promotion last season and was our main concern this season too, so have some faith in the new coach, will you? He's working his way forward from the back just as he promised he would do.
[quote][p][bold]tonyevans22[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mellow yellow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tonyevans22[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]-Nightingale-[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tonyevans22[/bold] wrote: Jesus if he happy with drawing against city then you need to take a look at yourself.That was awful.Don't blame injuries and players out as Zola struggled with that for most of the season.We were playing a lower league side and yet our main striker could only musta one effort on goal.City had more chances and should of won.We looked clueless going forward.Deeney did nothing.Lewis was the only player to turn up along with Murray.This was as bad as the QPR game except we scored a goal.Football is about scoring goals,Entertainment, not defend and play like you have just met each other.[/p][/quote]Complete imbecile. This is the new manager's 4th game. He is clearly working at tightening up the defence to start with. Only conceded 2 goals in 4 games which is a vast improvement. The attacking side will improve. Unfortunately some idiots expect instant results[/p][/quote]That's ok then,clearly working at us tightening up a defence at a lower league club who should have beaten us.Scoring goals wins games not playing in a negative defensive manner.We can't even keep the ball.Deeney 2 shots in 180 mins,Service is poor,going forward with intent has all but disappeared in the last 2 games.Unfortunately some idiots are prepared to watch Negative based football and think its great cos we kept a clean sheet.Just in case you forgot,the Art of the game is to score goals,and more than the opposition,and offer some kind of entertainment value.Brendan Rogers has returned with a bald head,and most castrated his slow passing sideways football.I clearly want to see attacking football with some shots on goal,not all from 30 yards because there is no other options.Score goals first then defend as a unit but learning to defend at 0-0 does not make any sense.Zola's football excited me,this was as drab as it gets yet again![/p][/quote]So presumably you were delighted by our worrying performances in the last couple of months under Zola, and never, ever, not even once voiced any concerns. The heart of any successful team is the defence. I am pleased we look more assured at the back. You seem to be of the mindset that every team in a league below should be rightly spanked. Tell that to Southend and Sheffield United today... Give it two months before berating a new coach in a new country. Jeez.[/p][/quote]Our worrying performances was because we never had a stable defence under Zola,Ekstrand,Doyley ,Hall,Hoban,Nosworth y etc all out injured at various times.Abdi out all season,Losing Chalabah ,Vydra and Anya out as well.You can't just wave a magic wand and replace them players.Zola lost the core of his squad that done so well last year.With the core of these injured players coming back and these new editions,which should have been addressed in August I was confident Zola would turn it around.The problem now is where are the goals coming from,Deeney isolated upfront,no service,and lewis shooting from 25 yards 9 times out of 10 because there is no other options to aim at.QPR was like a chest game,and they never played a striker to threaten us until late 2nd half,we never had a clue how to break them down.Ipswich(a) we got out of jail with one effort on goal.Millwall 2 pens and 10 men for 80mins,result never in doubt.Bristol city played 2 at the back for godsake,replacing all there defenders during the 2nd half with attacking players,yet we only managed a long range effort to score.And with the core of players we have we should spank teams like City,because if you can't put teams like that to bed then where do you see us gaining promotion that everyone keeps going on about,because there are better teams in our division than them.[/p][/quote]Sannino has already told Troy to be patient for a few weeks while he sorts out the defence. It was mainly the defence that cost us promotion last season and was our main concern this season too, so have some faith in the new coach, will you? He's working his way forward from the back just as he promised he would do. SAHornet

9:23pm Sat 4 Jan 14

BlakeyJ says...

tonyevans22 wrote:
mellow yellow wrote:
tonyevans22 wrote:
-Nightingale- wrote:
tonyevans22 wrote:
Jesus if he happy with drawing against city then you need to take a look at yourself.That was awful.Don't blame injuries and players out as Zola struggled with that for most of the season.We were playing a lower league side and yet our main striker could only musta one effort on goal.City had more chances and should of won.We looked clueless going forward.Deeney did nothing.Lewis was the only player to turn up along with Murray.This was as bad as the QPR game except we scored a goal.Football is about scoring goals,Entertainment,





not defend and play like you have just met each other.
Complete imbecile. This is the new manager's 4th game. He is clearly working at tightening up the defence to start with. Only conceded 2 goals in 4 games which is a vast improvement. The attacking side will improve. Unfortunately some idiots expect instant results
That's ok then,clearly working at us tightening up a defence at a lower league club who should have beaten us.Scoring goals wins games not playing in a negative defensive manner.We can't even keep the ball.Deeney 2 shots in 180 mins,Service is poor,going forward with intent has all but disappeared in the last 2 games.Unfortunately some idiots are prepared to watch Negative based football and think its great cos we kept a clean sheet.Just in case you forgot,the Art of the game is to score goals,and more than the opposition,and offer some kind of entertainment value.Brendan Rogers has returned with a bald head,and most castrated his slow passing sideways football.I clearly want to see attacking football with some shots on goal,not all from 30 yards because there is no other options.Score goals first then defend as a unit but learning to defend at 0-0 does not make any sense.Zola's football excited me,this was as drab as it gets yet again!
So presumably you were delighted by our worrying performances in the last couple of months under Zola, and never, ever, not even once voiced any concerns. The heart of any successful team is the defence. I am pleased we look more assured at the back. You seem to be of the mindset that every team in a league below should be rightly spanked. Tell that to Southend and Sheffield United today...

Give it two months before berating a new coach in a new country. Jeez.
Our worrying performances was because we never had a stable defence under Zola,Ekstrand,Doyley

,Hall,Hoban,Nosworth

y etc all out injured at various times.Abdi out all season,Losing Chalabah ,Vydra and Anya out as well.You can't just wave a magic wand and replace them players.Zola lost the core of his squad that done so well last year.With the core of these injured players coming back and these new editions,which should have been addressed in August I was confident Zola would turn it around.The problem now is where are the goals coming from,Deeney isolated upfront,no service,and lewis shooting from 25 yards 9 times out of 10 because there is no other options to aim at.QPR was like a chest game,and they never played a striker to threaten us until late 2nd half,we never had a clue how to break them down.Ipswich(a) we got out of jail with one effort on goal.Millwall 2 pens and 10 men for 80mins,result never in doubt.Bristol city played 2 at the back for godsake,replacing all there defenders during the 2nd half with attacking players,yet we only managed a long range effort to score.And with the core of players we have we should spank teams like City,because if you can't put teams like that to bed then where do you see us gaining promotion that everyone keeps going on about,because there are better teams in our division than them.
Think these issues have been addressed now. Defence looking much more secure and as for the attacking potantcy we just signed an attacking midfielder and a striker.
Give him time to set up the team, 4 games in...
[quote][p][bold]tonyevans22[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mellow yellow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tonyevans22[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]-Nightingale-[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tonyevans22[/bold] wrote: Jesus if he happy with drawing against city then you need to take a look at yourself.That was awful.Don't blame injuries and players out as Zola struggled with that for most of the season.We were playing a lower league side and yet our main striker could only musta one effort on goal.City had more chances and should of won.We looked clueless going forward.Deeney did nothing.Lewis was the only player to turn up along with Murray.This was as bad as the QPR game except we scored a goal.Football is about scoring goals,Entertainment, not defend and play like you have just met each other.[/p][/quote]Complete imbecile. This is the new manager's 4th game. He is clearly working at tightening up the defence to start with. Only conceded 2 goals in 4 games which is a vast improvement. The attacking side will improve. Unfortunately some idiots expect instant results[/p][/quote]That's ok then,clearly working at us tightening up a defence at a lower league club who should have beaten us.Scoring goals wins games not playing in a negative defensive manner.We can't even keep the ball.Deeney 2 shots in 180 mins,Service is poor,going forward with intent has all but disappeared in the last 2 games.Unfortunately some idiots are prepared to watch Negative based football and think its great cos we kept a clean sheet.Just in case you forgot,the Art of the game is to score goals,and more than the opposition,and offer some kind of entertainment value.Brendan Rogers has returned with a bald head,and most castrated his slow passing sideways football.I clearly want to see attacking football with some shots on goal,not all from 30 yards because there is no other options.Score goals first then defend as a unit but learning to defend at 0-0 does not make any sense.Zola's football excited me,this was as drab as it gets yet again![/p][/quote]So presumably you were delighted by our worrying performances in the last couple of months under Zola, and never, ever, not even once voiced any concerns. The heart of any successful team is the defence. I am pleased we look more assured at the back. You seem to be of the mindset that every team in a league below should be rightly spanked. Tell that to Southend and Sheffield United today... Give it two months before berating a new coach in a new country. Jeez.[/p][/quote]Our worrying performances was because we never had a stable defence under Zola,Ekstrand,Doyley ,Hall,Hoban,Nosworth y etc all out injured at various times.Abdi out all season,Losing Chalabah ,Vydra and Anya out as well.You can't just wave a magic wand and replace them players.Zola lost the core of his squad that done so well last year.With the core of these injured players coming back and these new editions,which should have been addressed in August I was confident Zola would turn it around.The problem now is where are the goals coming from,Deeney isolated upfront,no service,and lewis shooting from 25 yards 9 times out of 10 because there is no other options to aim at.QPR was like a chest game,and they never played a striker to threaten us until late 2nd half,we never had a clue how to break them down.Ipswich(a) we got out of jail with one effort on goal.Millwall 2 pens and 10 men for 80mins,result never in doubt.Bristol city played 2 at the back for godsake,replacing all there defenders during the 2nd half with attacking players,yet we only managed a long range effort to score.And with the core of players we have we should spank teams like City,because if you can't put teams like that to bed then where do you see us gaining promotion that everyone keeps going on about,because there are better teams in our division than them.[/p][/quote]Think these issues have been addressed now. Defence looking much more secure and as for the attacking potantcy we just signed an attacking midfielder and a striker. Give him time to set up the team, 4 games in... BlakeyJ

10:12pm Sat 4 Jan 14

coldplay says...

BlakeyJ wrote:
tonyevans22 wrote:
mellow yellow wrote:
tonyevans22 wrote:
-Nightingale- wrote:
tonyevans22 wrote:
Jesus if he happy with drawing against city then you need to take a look at yourself.That was awful.Don't blame injuries and players out as Zola struggled with that for most of the season.We were playing a lower league side and yet our main striker could only musta one effort on goal.City had more chances and should of won.We looked clueless going forward.Deeney did nothing.Lewis was the only player to turn up along with Murray.This was as bad as the QPR game except we scored a goal.Football is about scoring goals,Entertainment,






not defend and play like you have just met each other.
Complete imbecile. This is the new manager's 4th game. He is clearly working at tightening up the defence to start with. Only conceded 2 goals in 4 games which is a vast improvement. The attacking side will improve. Unfortunately some idiots expect instant results
That's ok then,clearly working at us tightening up a defence at a lower league club who should have beaten us.Scoring goals wins games not playing in a negative defensive manner.We can't even keep the ball.Deeney 2 shots in 180 mins,Service is poor,going forward with intent has all but disappeared in the last 2 games.Unfortunately some idiots are prepared to watch Negative based football and think its great cos we kept a clean sheet.Just in case you forgot,the Art of the game is to score goals,and more than the opposition,and offer some kind of entertainment value.Brendan Rogers has returned with a bald head,and most castrated his slow passing sideways football.I clearly want to see attacking football with some shots on goal,not all from 30 yards because there is no other options.Score goals first then defend as a unit but learning to defend at 0-0 does not make any sense.Zola's football excited me,this was as drab as it gets yet again!
So presumably you were delighted by our worrying performances in the last couple of months under Zola, and never, ever, not even once voiced any concerns. The heart of any successful team is the defence. I am pleased we look more assured at the back. You seem to be of the mindset that every team in a league below should be rightly spanked. Tell that to Southend and Sheffield United today...

Give it two months before berating a new coach in a new country. Jeez.
Our worrying performances was because we never had a stable defence under Zola,Ekstrand,Doyley


,Hall,Hoban,Nosworth


y etc all out injured at various times.Abdi out all season,Losing Chalabah ,Vydra and Anya out as well.You can't just wave a magic wand and replace them players.Zola lost the core of his squad that done so well last year.With the core of these injured players coming back and these new editions,which should have been addressed in August I was confident Zola would turn it around.The problem now is where are the goals coming from,Deeney isolated upfront,no service,and lewis shooting from 25 yards 9 times out of 10 because there is no other options to aim at.QPR was like a chest game,and they never played a striker to threaten us until late 2nd half,we never had a clue how to break them down.Ipswich(a) we got out of jail with one effort on goal.Millwall 2 pens and 10 men for 80mins,result never in doubt.Bristol city played 2 at the back for godsake,replacing all there defenders during the 2nd half with attacking players,yet we only managed a long range effort to score.And with the core of players we have we should spank teams like City,because if you can't put teams like that to bed then where do you see us gaining promotion that everyone keeps going on about,because there are better teams in our division than them.
Think these issues have been addressed now. Defence looking much more secure and as for the attacking potantcy we just signed an attacking midfielder and a striker.
Give him time to set up the team, 4 games in...
This was an FA Cup tie, away at a competitive lower league side, on a miserable day and with key players missing...all the ingredients for an upset. It wasn't a great game but we are still in the hat. Leaving aside who played well and who didn't, and just focusing on the way the team is set up to play, we now concede less and score fewer than under the GFZs reign where we scored more and conceded more. The bottom line is GFZ has gone and we now have a new gaffer. Adjustment and re-shaping takes time and we need to give Beppe that time....what we are seeing at the moment is not wonderful but I prefer to be optimistic and believe that tightening up and becoming harder to beat will provide the base to be more expansive.
One of the downsides of our play at the moment is that by playing deeper to shut out the opposition, we suffer from gaps in the middle of the park, we don't win our fair share of second balls, and we don't provide enough support to the isolated front men and that needs to be fixed. Get the wing backs fit, introduce the new signings and give it a bit more time...for me still too early to make judgements. I do know that 'dirty Leeds and Aston Villa won't be in the hat and Rochdale and Sheffield Utd will be.
[quote][p][bold]BlakeyJ[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tonyevans22[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mellow yellow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tonyevans22[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]-Nightingale-[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tonyevans22[/bold] wrote: Jesus if he happy with drawing against city then you need to take a look at yourself.That was awful.Don't blame injuries and players out as Zola struggled with that for most of the season.We were playing a lower league side and yet our main striker could only musta one effort on goal.City had more chances and should of won.We looked clueless going forward.Deeney did nothing.Lewis was the only player to turn up along with Murray.This was as bad as the QPR game except we scored a goal.Football is about scoring goals,Entertainment, not defend and play like you have just met each other.[/p][/quote]Complete imbecile. This is the new manager's 4th game. He is clearly working at tightening up the defence to start with. Only conceded 2 goals in 4 games which is a vast improvement. The attacking side will improve. Unfortunately some idiots expect instant results[/p][/quote]That's ok then,clearly working at us tightening up a defence at a lower league club who should have beaten us.Scoring goals wins games not playing in a negative defensive manner.We can't even keep the ball.Deeney 2 shots in 180 mins,Service is poor,going forward with intent has all but disappeared in the last 2 games.Unfortunately some idiots are prepared to watch Negative based football and think its great cos we kept a clean sheet.Just in case you forgot,the Art of the game is to score goals,and more than the opposition,and offer some kind of entertainment value.Brendan Rogers has returned with a bald head,and most castrated his slow passing sideways football.I clearly want to see attacking football with some shots on goal,not all from 30 yards because there is no other options.Score goals first then defend as a unit but learning to defend at 0-0 does not make any sense.Zola's football excited me,this was as drab as it gets yet again![/p][/quote]So presumably you were delighted by our worrying performances in the last couple of months under Zola, and never, ever, not even once voiced any concerns. The heart of any successful team is the defence. I am pleased we look more assured at the back. You seem to be of the mindset that every team in a league below should be rightly spanked. Tell that to Southend and Sheffield United today... Give it two months before berating a new coach in a new country. Jeez.[/p][/quote]Our worrying performances was because we never had a stable defence under Zola,Ekstrand,Doyley ,Hall,Hoban,Nosworth y etc all out injured at various times.Abdi out all season,Losing Chalabah ,Vydra and Anya out as well.You can't just wave a magic wand and replace them players.Zola lost the core of his squad that done so well last year.With the core of these injured players coming back and these new editions,which should have been addressed in August I was confident Zola would turn it around.The problem now is where are the goals coming from,Deeney isolated upfront,no service,and lewis shooting from 25 yards 9 times out of 10 because there is no other options to aim at.QPR was like a chest game,and they never played a striker to threaten us until late 2nd half,we never had a clue how to break them down.Ipswich(a) we got out of jail with one effort on goal.Millwall 2 pens and 10 men for 80mins,result never in doubt.Bristol city played 2 at the back for godsake,replacing all there defenders during the 2nd half with attacking players,yet we only managed a long range effort to score.And with the core of players we have we should spank teams like City,because if you can't put teams like that to bed then where do you see us gaining promotion that everyone keeps going on about,because there are better teams in our division than them.[/p][/quote]Think these issues have been addressed now. Defence looking much more secure and as for the attacking potantcy we just signed an attacking midfielder and a striker. Give him time to set up the team, 4 games in...[/p][/quote]This was an FA Cup tie, away at a competitive lower league side, on a miserable day and with key players missing...all the ingredients for an upset. It wasn't a great game but we are still in the hat. Leaving aside who played well and who didn't, and just focusing on the way the team is set up to play, we now concede less and score fewer than under the GFZs reign where we scored more and conceded more. The bottom line is GFZ has gone and we now have a new gaffer. Adjustment and re-shaping takes time and we need to give Beppe that time....what we are seeing at the moment is not wonderful but I prefer to be optimistic and believe that tightening up and becoming harder to beat will provide the base to be more expansive. One of the downsides of our play at the moment is that by playing deeper to shut out the opposition, we suffer from gaps in the middle of the park, we don't win our fair share of second balls, and we don't provide enough support to the isolated front men and that needs to be fixed. Get the wing backs fit, introduce the new signings and give it a bit more time...for me still too early to make judgements. I do know that 'dirty Leeds and Aston Villa won't be in the hat and Rochdale and Sheffield Utd will be. coldplay

10:23pm Sat 4 Jan 14

mkgoldenboys says...

Glad to see we are all happy with this tripe. The defence looked really tight to me this afternoon.......not. Where can I buy a pair of these rose tinted spectacles that most on here seem to wear when when watching Watford.
Glad to see we are all happy with this tripe. The defence looked really tight to me this afternoon.......not. Where can I buy a pair of these rose tinted spectacles that most on here seem to wear when when watching Watford. mkgoldenboys

11:11pm Sat 4 Jan 14

smarkymark says...

Good result away from home against an improving City team with a good new manager on a terrible day for football without probably our best 5 players as well as Bellerin and the two new signings.That is all.
Good result away from home against an improving City team with a good new manager on a terrible day for football without probably our best 5 players as well as Bellerin and the two new signings.That is all. smarkymark

11:12pm Sat 4 Jan 14

SuperHorns says...

My god some view points on here are spectacularly woeful.. I remember watching Zolas team last year at Ashton gate and on a sodden pitch with wet and windy conditions, much as we had today and we lost 2-0.
You cant play the ball on the floor as well in those type of conditions and dont forget this was the FA cup against a team which in recent time had success against us and only was relegated last season.
A draw sounds like a fair result all in all. It will hopefully give a few more of the fringe players another game and If we can play our game we will hopefully take our spot in the next round.
My god some view points on here are spectacularly woeful.. I remember watching Zolas team last year at Ashton gate and on a sodden pitch with wet and windy conditions, much as we had today and we lost 2-0. You cant play the ball on the floor as well in those type of conditions and dont forget this was the FA cup against a team which in recent time had success against us and only was relegated last season. A draw sounds like a fair result all in all. It will hopefully give a few more of the fringe players another game and If we can play our game we will hopefully take our spot in the next round. SuperHorns

11:25pm Sat 4 Jan 14

jasonwatford says...

Most of you on here are morons....
Most of you on here are morons.... jasonwatford

11:42pm Sat 4 Jan 14

mkgoldenboys says...

jasonwatford wrote:
Most of you on here are morons....
The most sensible post today.
[quote][p][bold]jasonwatford[/bold] wrote: Most of you on here are morons....[/p][/quote]The most sensible post today. mkgoldenboys

12:23am Sun 5 Jan 14

anywayasiwasaying says...

mkgoldenboys wrote:
jasonwatford wrote:
Most of you on here are morons....
The most sensible post today.
Have to say MK I do believe that you are a strong favourite to be near the top of Jason's list...reading your post there is a clear case to include you.
[quote][p][bold]mkgoldenboys[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jasonwatford[/bold] wrote: Most of you on here are morons....[/p][/quote]The most sensible post today.[/p][/quote]Have to say MK I do believe that you are a strong favourite to be near the top of Jason's list...reading your post there is a clear case to include you. anywayasiwasaying

2:45am Sun 5 Jan 14

rogeruk says...

What an aggressive site this is, Nobody can make their heartfelt opinion without being called a Moron or Imbecile. What's wrong with you people? Seems many have issues which should be dealt with far away from a fans site.

Can you not show the minimum of courtesy especially to those who don't post regularly!

Obviously a game to forget, the jury is out on the new coach he needs about three months to mould his team before we can make valid judgements' on Sannino. That said he took on one horrible mess from Zola.

On another note; Watford based on up-to-date attendances have the best attendance record of the Pozzo's clubs.

So far average attendances are:

Watford: 15614
Granada: 15302
Udinese: 11313

It's time to stop calling watford a small club, comparisons with Barcelona or Man U are not relevant but then how many premier clubs in Europe are?

Watford's attendance compares favourably with the average club in the Main Four European premier leagues.

When the new stand is built will regularly draw in 20000 in the premier maybe 25000. In Graham Taylor's golden years in the old Div 1 gates of 27000 were achieved.

Watford if things go well will be the primary Pozzo club.
What an aggressive site this is, Nobody can make their heartfelt opinion without being called a Moron or Imbecile. What's wrong with you people? Seems many have issues which should be dealt with far away from a fans site. Can you not show the minimum of courtesy especially to those who don't post regularly! Obviously a game to forget, the jury is out on the new coach he needs about three months to mould his team before we can make valid judgements' on Sannino. That said he took on one horrible mess from Zola. On another note; Watford based on up-to-date attendances have the best attendance record of the Pozzo's clubs. So far average attendances are: Watford: 15614 Granada: 15302 Udinese: 11313 It's time to stop calling watford a small club, comparisons with Barcelona or Man U are not relevant but then how many premier clubs in Europe are? Watford's attendance compares favourably with the average club in the Main Four European premier leagues. When the new stand is built will regularly draw in 20000 in the premier maybe 25000. In Graham Taylor's golden years in the old Div 1 gates of 27000 were achieved. Watford if things go well will be the primary Pozzo club. rogeruk

4:35am Sun 5 Jan 14

Sydneyhornet says...

tonyevans22 wrote:
Jesus if he happy with drawing against city then you need to take a look at yourself.That was awful.Don't blame injuries and players out as Zola struggled with that for most of the season.We were playing a lower league side and yet our main striker could only musta one effort on goal.City had more chances and should of won.We looked clueless going forward.Deeney did nothing.Lewis was the only player to turn up along with Murray.This was as bad as the QPR game except we scored a goal.Football is about scoring goals,Entertainment, not defend and play like you have just met each other.
Shut up.
[quote][p][bold]tonyevans22[/bold] wrote: Jesus if he happy with drawing against city then you need to take a look at yourself.That was awful.Don't blame injuries and players out as Zola struggled with that for most of the season.We were playing a lower league side and yet our main striker could only musta one effort on goal.City had more chances and should of won.We looked clueless going forward.Deeney did nothing.Lewis was the only player to turn up along with Murray.This was as bad as the QPR game except we scored a goal.Football is about scoring goals,Entertainment, not defend and play like you have just met each other.[/p][/quote]Shut up. Sydneyhornet

5:13am Sun 5 Jan 14

Henry VIII says...

It is the FA Cup, the greatest footballing tradition in the world. The modern day sun-tanning money grabbers want to devalue it for their precious pounds in the Premier League. A league where Chelsea, two years ago the winners of the greatest club championship in the world, just announced a loss of 49 m quid. The Pozzo's are here for the long run, and in two or three years we may very well be one of a handful of clubs financially fit to be classed as a football club. We are not prepared to pay Mayfair rent for an Old Kent Road player and I for one support that one hundred percent. The modern world is so critical, so cynical. The manager has had four games, two wins and two draws. If it is not good enough for some of you, that is fair enough, it is your hard earned money. But success, like a marriage is built upon a foundation. It takes time, there will be mistakes, but give it time. A draw at Bristol City in the FA Cup is ok with me, I watched Rochdale (Lge 2) play Leeds off the park tonight. Keep your heads lads....it's coming together.. and a Happy New Year to one and all. We may not all agree, but we are all WFC fans.
It is the FA Cup, the greatest footballing tradition in the world. The modern day sun-tanning money grabbers want to devalue it for their precious pounds in the Premier League. A league where Chelsea, two years ago the winners of the greatest club championship in the world, just announced a loss of 49 m quid. The Pozzo's are here for the long run, and in two or three years we may very well be one of a handful of clubs financially fit to be classed as a football club. We are not prepared to pay Mayfair rent for an Old Kent Road player and I for one support that one hundred percent. The modern world is so critical, so cynical. The manager has had four games, two wins and two draws. If it is not good enough for some of you, that is fair enough, it is your hard earned money. But success, like a marriage is built upon a foundation. It takes time, there will be mistakes, but give it time. A draw at Bristol City in the FA Cup is ok with me, I watched Rochdale (Lge 2) play Leeds off the park tonight. Keep your heads lads....it's coming together.. and a Happy New Year to one and all. We may not all agree, but we are all WFC fans. Henry VIII

6:42am Sun 5 Jan 14

andy4wfc says...

Remember everyone, we're called "supporters". COYH!
Remember everyone, we're called "supporters". COYH! andy4wfc

7:07am Sun 5 Jan 14

Boosey says...

rogeruk wrote:
What an aggressive site this is, Nobody can make their heartfelt opinion without being called a Moron or Imbecile. What's wrong with you people? Seems many have issues which should be dealt with far away from a fans site.

Can you not show the minimum of courtesy especially to those who don't post regularly!

Obviously a game to forget, the jury is out on the new coach he needs about three months to mould his team before we can make valid judgements' on Sannino. That said he took on one horrible mess from Zola.

On another note; Watford based on up-to-date attendances have the best attendance record of the Pozzo's clubs.

So far average attendances are:

Watford: 15614
Granada: 15302
Udinese: 11313

It's time to stop calling watford a small club, comparisons with Barcelona or Man U are not relevant but then how many premier clubs in Europe are?

Watford's attendance compares favourably with the average club in the Main Four European premier leagues.

When the new stand is built will regularly draw in 20000 in the premier maybe 25000. In Graham Taylor's golden years in the old Div 1 gates of 27000 were achieved.

Watford if things go well will be the primary Pozzo club.
Agree with all you say, in particular the first two paragraphs.
The bickering is getting out of hand!
[quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: What an aggressive site this is, Nobody can make their heartfelt opinion without being called a Moron or Imbecile. What's wrong with you people? Seems many have issues which should be dealt with far away from a fans site. Can you not show the minimum of courtesy especially to those who don't post regularly! Obviously a game to forget, the jury is out on the new coach he needs about three months to mould his team before we can make valid judgements' on Sannino. That said he took on one horrible mess from Zola. On another note; Watford based on up-to-date attendances have the best attendance record of the Pozzo's clubs. So far average attendances are: Watford: 15614 Granada: 15302 Udinese: 11313 It's time to stop calling watford a small club, comparisons with Barcelona or Man U are not relevant but then how many premier clubs in Europe are? Watford's attendance compares favourably with the average club in the Main Four European premier leagues. When the new stand is built will regularly draw in 20000 in the premier maybe 25000. In Graham Taylor's golden years in the old Div 1 gates of 27000 were achieved. Watford if things go well will be the primary Pozzo club.[/p][/quote]Agree with all you say, in particular the first two paragraphs. The bickering is getting out of hand! Boosey

8:05am Sun 5 Jan 14

tonyevans22 says...

rogeruk wrote:
What an aggressive site this is, Nobody can make their heartfelt opinion without being called a Moron or Imbecile. What's wrong with you people? Seems many have issues which should be dealt with far away from a fans site.

Can you not show the minimum of courtesy especially to those who don't post regularly!

Obviously a game to forget, the jury is out on the new coach he needs about three months to mould his team before we can make valid judgements' on Sannino. That said he took on one horrible mess from Zola.

On another note; Watford based on up-to-date attendances have the best attendance record of the Pozzo's clubs.

So far average attendances are:

Watford: 15614
Granada: 15302
Udinese: 11313

It's time to stop calling watford a small club, comparisons with Barcelona or Man U are not relevant but then how many premier clubs in Europe are?

Watford's attendance compares favourably with the average club in the Main Four European premier leagues.

When the new stand is built will regularly draw in 20000 in the premier maybe 25000. In Graham Taylor's golden years in the old Div 1 gates of 27000 were achieved.

Watford if things go well will be the primary Pozzo club.
I would not call it a mess Zola left us in.If it was not for him then the attendances would not have risen and the New stand would not have been built as it was his brand of football that put bums on seats.I have said it before,zola lost key players and all season had an unsettled back line.We never replaced Abdi until now(Merkel)who was the engine and playmaker to many of our goals.Will we see another Vydra here in the future?,who knows,who is still a huge loss to our side.and it shows...Also just to make a point southend put 4 past Millwall from open play and no pens.shows how poor they are with 11 on the pitch.
[quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: What an aggressive site this is, Nobody can make their heartfelt opinion without being called a Moron or Imbecile. What's wrong with you people? Seems many have issues which should be dealt with far away from a fans site. Can you not show the minimum of courtesy especially to those who don't post regularly! Obviously a game to forget, the jury is out on the new coach he needs about three months to mould his team before we can make valid judgements' on Sannino. That said he took on one horrible mess from Zola. On another note; Watford based on up-to-date attendances have the best attendance record of the Pozzo's clubs. So far average attendances are: Watford: 15614 Granada: 15302 Udinese: 11313 It's time to stop calling watford a small club, comparisons with Barcelona or Man U are not relevant but then how many premier clubs in Europe are? Watford's attendance compares favourably with the average club in the Main Four European premier leagues. When the new stand is built will regularly draw in 20000 in the premier maybe 25000. In Graham Taylor's golden years in the old Div 1 gates of 27000 were achieved. Watford if things go well will be the primary Pozzo club.[/p][/quote]I would not call it a mess Zola left us in.If it was not for him then the attendances would not have risen and the New stand would not have been built as it was his brand of football that put bums on seats.I have said it before,zola lost key players and all season had an unsettled back line.We never replaced Abdi until now(Merkel)who was the engine and playmaker to many of our goals.Will we see another Vydra here in the future?,who knows,who is still a huge loss to our side.and it shows...Also just to make a point southend put 4 past Millwall from open play and no pens.shows how poor they are with 11 on the pitch. tonyevans22

8:36am Sun 5 Jan 14

mellow yellow says...

rogeruk wrote:
What an aggressive site this is, Nobody can make their heartfelt opinion without being called a Moron or Imbecile. What's wrong with you people? Seems many have issues which should be dealt with far away from a fans site.

Can you not show the minimum of courtesy especially to those who don't post regularly!

Obviously a game to forget, the jury is out on the new coach he needs about three months to mould his team before we can make valid judgements' on Sannino. That said he took on one horrible mess from Zola.

On another note; Watford based on up-to-date attendances have the best attendance record of the Pozzo's clubs.

So far average attendances are:

Watford: 15614
Granada: 15302
Udinese: 11313

It's time to stop calling watford a small club, comparisons with Barcelona or Man U are not relevant but then how many premier clubs in Europe are?

Watford's attendance compares favourably with the average club in the Main Four European premier leagues.

When the new stand is built will regularly draw in 20000 in the premier maybe 25000. In Graham Taylor's golden years in the old Div 1 gates of 27000 were achieved.

Watford if things go well will be the primary Pozzo club.
If I remember correctly, you are the one who introduced the charming term 'sheeple' to this site, and regularly go off piste from a football topic with your anti communistic rants, which are, for your information, actually more correctly fascist observations. There are some on here, roger me ole mucker, who can be lucid and erudite (my favourite Sean Dyche word) without resorting to personal insults. You aren't one of them so to you one of MY favourite words: hypocrite. Have a nice day, now.
[quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: What an aggressive site this is, Nobody can make their heartfelt opinion without being called a Moron or Imbecile. What's wrong with you people? Seems many have issues which should be dealt with far away from a fans site. Can you not show the minimum of courtesy especially to those who don't post regularly! Obviously a game to forget, the jury is out on the new coach he needs about three months to mould his team before we can make valid judgements' on Sannino. That said he took on one horrible mess from Zola. On another note; Watford based on up-to-date attendances have the best attendance record of the Pozzo's clubs. So far average attendances are: Watford: 15614 Granada: 15302 Udinese: 11313 It's time to stop calling watford a small club, comparisons with Barcelona or Man U are not relevant but then how many premier clubs in Europe are? Watford's attendance compares favourably with the average club in the Main Four European premier leagues. When the new stand is built will regularly draw in 20000 in the premier maybe 25000. In Graham Taylor's golden years in the old Div 1 gates of 27000 were achieved. Watford if things go well will be the primary Pozzo club.[/p][/quote]If I remember correctly, you are the one who introduced the charming term 'sheeple' to this site, and regularly go off piste from a football topic with your anti communistic rants, which are, for your information, actually more correctly fascist observations. There are some on here, roger me ole mucker, who can be lucid and erudite (my favourite Sean Dyche word) without resorting to personal insults. You aren't one of them so to you one of MY favourite words: hypocrite. Have a nice day, now. mellow yellow

8:55am Sun 5 Jan 14

SAHornet says...

mellow yellow wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
What an aggressive site this is, Nobody can make their heartfelt opinion without being called a Moron or Imbecile. What's wrong with you people? Seems many have issues which should be dealt with far away from a fans site.

Can you not show the minimum of courtesy especially to those who don't post regularly!

Obviously a game to forget, the jury is out on the new coach he needs about three months to mould his team before we can make valid judgements' on Sannino. That said he took on one horrible mess from Zola.

On another note; Watford based on up-to-date attendances have the best attendance record of the Pozzo's clubs.

So far average attendances are:

Watford: 15614
Granada: 15302
Udinese: 11313

It's time to stop calling watford a small club, comparisons with Barcelona or Man U are not relevant but then how many premier clubs in Europe are?

Watford's attendance compares favourably with the average club in the Main Four European premier leagues.

When the new stand is built will regularly draw in 20000 in the premier maybe 25000. In Graham Taylor's golden years in the old Div 1 gates of 27000 were achieved.

Watford if things go well will be the primary Pozzo club.
If I remember correctly, you are the one who introduced the charming term 'sheeple' to this site, and regularly go off piste from a football topic with your anti communistic rants, which are, for your information, actually more correctly fascist observations. There are some on here, roger me ole mucker, who can be lucid and erudite (my favourite Sean Dyche word) without resorting to personal insults. You aren't one of them so to you one of MY favourite words: hypocrite. Have a nice day, now.
Ouch !
[quote][p][bold]mellow yellow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: What an aggressive site this is, Nobody can make their heartfelt opinion without being called a Moron or Imbecile. What's wrong with you people? Seems many have issues which should be dealt with far away from a fans site. Can you not show the minimum of courtesy especially to those who don't post regularly! Obviously a game to forget, the jury is out on the new coach he needs about three months to mould his team before we can make valid judgements' on Sannino. That said he took on one horrible mess from Zola. On another note; Watford based on up-to-date attendances have the best attendance record of the Pozzo's clubs. So far average attendances are: Watford: 15614 Granada: 15302 Udinese: 11313 It's time to stop calling watford a small club, comparisons with Barcelona or Man U are not relevant but then how many premier clubs in Europe are? Watford's attendance compares favourably with the average club in the Main Four European premier leagues. When the new stand is built will regularly draw in 20000 in the premier maybe 25000. In Graham Taylor's golden years in the old Div 1 gates of 27000 were achieved. Watford if things go well will be the primary Pozzo club.[/p][/quote]If I remember correctly, you are the one who introduced the charming term 'sheeple' to this site, and regularly go off piste from a football topic with your anti communistic rants, which are, for your information, actually more correctly fascist observations. There are some on here, roger me ole mucker, who can be lucid and erudite (my favourite Sean Dyche word) without resorting to personal insults. You aren't one of them so to you one of MY favourite words: hypocrite. Have a nice day, now.[/p][/quote]Ouch ! SAHornet

9:10am Sun 5 Jan 14

VOReason says...

No fessi no anya, have people accepted their imminent departures yet?
No fessi no anya, have people accepted their imminent departures yet? VOReason

9:47am Sun 5 Jan 14

MainStandShambles says...

VOReason wrote:
No fessi no anya, have people accepted their imminent departures yet?
Nope !
[quote][p][bold]VOReason[/bold] wrote: No fessi no anya, have people accepted their imminent departures yet?[/p][/quote]Nope ! MainStandShambles

10:10am Sun 5 Jan 14

MainStandShambles says...

Henry VIII wrote:
It is the FA Cup, the greatest footballing tradition in the world. The modern day sun-tanning money grabbers want to devalue it for their precious pounds in the Premier League. A league where Chelsea, two years ago the winners of the greatest club championship in the world, just announced a loss of 49 m quid. The Pozzo's are here for the long run, and in two or three years we may very well be one of a handful of clubs financially fit to be classed as a football club. We are not prepared to pay Mayfair rent for an Old Kent Road player and I for one support that one hundred percent. The modern world is so critical, so cynical. The manager has had four games, two wins and two draws. If it is not good enough for some of you, that is fair enough, it is your hard earned money. But success, like a marriage is built upon a foundation. It takes time, there will be mistakes, but give it time. A draw at Bristol City in the FA Cup is ok with me, I watched Rochdale (Lge 2) play Leeds off the park tonight. Keep your heads lads....it's coming together.. and a Happy New Year to one and all. We may not all agree, but we are all WFC fans.
Excellent post Henry, you've summed up the overall situation very well.

I watched the Rochdale game as you did (with Sky Sports News on an adjacent screen), Leeds fielded a strong side but still couldn't match Rochdale who played with a fair amount of skill allied to the usual underdog determination so with one eye on the games elsewhere providing the usual number of 'cup upsets' i, like you, am quite happy to be in the 4th draw this afternoon.

Bristol City are no mugs and with a good new manager at the helm will improve during the second half of the season as, indeed, we will as OUR new head coach fully gets to grips with the defence, then the midfield, then our strikers.

To my mind it seems as if our managerial change has been effected early enough in the season for us to have a good tilt at the play-off places and maybe an exciting FA cup run to enjoy aswell. I'm glad that Sannino hasn't got Paul Lambert's view of the cup.
[quote][p][bold]Henry VIII[/bold] wrote: It is the FA Cup, the greatest footballing tradition in the world. The modern day sun-tanning money grabbers want to devalue it for their precious pounds in the Premier League. A league where Chelsea, two years ago the winners of the greatest club championship in the world, just announced a loss of 49 m quid. The Pozzo's are here for the long run, and in two or three years we may very well be one of a handful of clubs financially fit to be classed as a football club. We are not prepared to pay Mayfair rent for an Old Kent Road player and I for one support that one hundred percent. The modern world is so critical, so cynical. The manager has had four games, two wins and two draws. If it is not good enough for some of you, that is fair enough, it is your hard earned money. But success, like a marriage is built upon a foundation. It takes time, there will be mistakes, but give it time. A draw at Bristol City in the FA Cup is ok with me, I watched Rochdale (Lge 2) play Leeds off the park tonight. Keep your heads lads....it's coming together.. and a Happy New Year to one and all. We may not all agree, but we are all WFC fans.[/p][/quote]Excellent post Henry, you've summed up the overall situation very well. I watched the Rochdale game as you did (with Sky Sports News on an adjacent screen), Leeds fielded a strong side but still couldn't match Rochdale who played with a fair amount of skill allied to the usual underdog determination so with one eye on the games elsewhere providing the usual number of 'cup upsets' i, like you, am quite happy to be in the 4th draw this afternoon. Bristol City are no mugs and with a good new manager at the helm will improve during the second half of the season as, indeed, we will as OUR new head coach fully gets to grips with the defence, then the midfield, then our strikers. To my mind it seems as if our managerial change has been effected early enough in the season for us to have a good tilt at the play-off places and maybe an exciting FA cup run to enjoy aswell. I'm glad that Sannino hasn't got Paul Lambert's view of the cup. MainStandShambles

10:39am Sun 5 Jan 14

HunsburyHornet4 says...

Henry VIII wrote:
It is the FA Cup, the greatest footballing tradition in the world. The modern day sun-tanning money grabbers want to devalue it for their precious pounds in the Premier League. A league where Chelsea, two years ago the winners of the greatest club championship in the world, just announced a loss of 49 m quid. The Pozzo's are here for the long run, and in two or three years we may very well be one of a handful of clubs financially fit to be classed as a football club. We are not prepared to pay Mayfair rent for an Old Kent Road player and I for one support that one hundred percent. The modern world is so critical, so cynical. The manager has had four games, two wins and two draws. If it is not good enough for some of you, that is fair enough, it is your hard earned money. But success, like a marriage is built upon a foundation. It takes time, there will be mistakes, but give it time. A draw at Bristol City in the FA Cup is ok with me, I watched Rochdale (Lge 2) play Leeds off the park tonight. Keep your heads lads....it's coming together.. and a Happy New Year to one and all. We may not all agree, but we are all WFC fans.
Good post Henry, but I think it's 3 draws and a win, not 2 wins 2 draws. Happy new year to all posters, negative and positive.
[quote][p][bold]Henry VIII[/bold] wrote: It is the FA Cup, the greatest footballing tradition in the world. The modern day sun-tanning money grabbers want to devalue it for their precious pounds in the Premier League. A league where Chelsea, two years ago the winners of the greatest club championship in the world, just announced a loss of 49 m quid. The Pozzo's are here for the long run, and in two or three years we may very well be one of a handful of clubs financially fit to be classed as a football club. We are not prepared to pay Mayfair rent for an Old Kent Road player and I for one support that one hundred percent. The modern world is so critical, so cynical. The manager has had four games, two wins and two draws. If it is not good enough for some of you, that is fair enough, it is your hard earned money. But success, like a marriage is built upon a foundation. It takes time, there will be mistakes, but give it time. A draw at Bristol City in the FA Cup is ok with me, I watched Rochdale (Lge 2) play Leeds off the park tonight. Keep your heads lads....it's coming together.. and a Happy New Year to one and all. We may not all agree, but we are all WFC fans.[/p][/quote]Good post Henry, but I think it's 3 draws and a win, not 2 wins 2 draws. Happy new year to all posters, negative and positive. HunsburyHornet4

10:39am Sun 5 Jan 14

wfc cassiobury says...

smarkymark wrote:
Good result away from home against an improving City team with a good new manager on a terrible day for football without probably our best 5 players as well as Bellerin and the two new signings.That is all.
Someone sees some sense! Patience is a virtue! Have the people who are complaining about the attack not read any of the articles yet?? They haven't moved into attack yet!!! I feel a win against reading coming with a goal from one of the new kids on the block! COYH!
[quote][p][bold]smarkymark[/bold] wrote: Good result away from home against an improving City team with a good new manager on a terrible day for football without probably our best 5 players as well as Bellerin and the two new signings.That is all.[/p][/quote]Someone sees some sense! Patience is a virtue! Have the people who are complaining about the attack not read any of the articles yet?? They haven't moved into attack yet!!! I feel a win against reading coming with a goal from one of the new kids on the block! COYH! wfc cassiobury

10:41am Sun 5 Jan 14

Watfordwes says...

Sydneyhornet wrote:
tonyevans22 wrote:
Jesus if he happy with drawing against city then you need to take a look at yourself.That was awful.Don't blame injuries and players out as Zola struggled with that for most of the season.We were playing a lower league side and yet our main striker could only musta one effort on goal.City had more chances and should of won.We looked clueless going forward.Deeney did nothing.Lewis was the only player to turn up along with Murray.This was as bad as the QPR game except we scored a goal.Football is about scoring goals,Entertainment, not defend and play like you have just met each other.
Shut up.
This forum is a great place to give opinions but fast becoming a joke due to the rudeness of some posters.

If tony paid his money, beravelled in the rain to bristol he is allowed to be frustrated by the performance without being told to shut up by someone who presumably did nt go.

Having said that many called for defensive stability, practicality on zolas deoarture. However now it is happening people refuse to be patient.

We were spoilt under zola for over a year but he seemed to have lost his way. The new appointment was always going to be more tactical more reserved

Im quite excited by the beppe era but for those disillusioned already I remind you to be careful what you wish for in the future ...
[quote][p][bold]Sydneyhornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tonyevans22[/bold] wrote: Jesus if he happy with drawing against city then you need to take a look at yourself.That was awful.Don't blame injuries and players out as Zola struggled with that for most of the season.We were playing a lower league side and yet our main striker could only musta one effort on goal.City had more chances and should of won.We looked clueless going forward.Deeney did nothing.Lewis was the only player to turn up along with Murray.This was as bad as the QPR game except we scored a goal.Football is about scoring goals,Entertainment, not defend and play like you have just met each other.[/p][/quote]Shut up.[/p][/quote]This forum is a great place to give opinions but fast becoming a joke due to the rudeness of some posters. If tony paid his money, beravelled in the rain to bristol he is allowed to be frustrated by the performance without being told to shut up by someone who presumably did nt go. Having said that many called for defensive stability, practicality on zolas deoarture. However now it is happening people refuse to be patient. We were spoilt under zola for over a year but he seemed to have lost his way. The new appointment was always going to be more tactical more reserved Im quite excited by the beppe era but for those disillusioned already I remind you to be careful what you wish for in the future ... Watfordwes

11:14am Sun 5 Jan 14

rogeruk says...

SAHornet wrote:
mellow yellow wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
What an aggressive site this is, Nobody can make their heartfelt opinion without being called a Moron or Imbecile. What's wrong with you people? Seems many have issues which should be dealt with far away from a fans site.

Can you not show the minimum of courtesy especially to those who don't post regularly!

Obviously a game to forget, the jury is out on the new coach he needs about three months to mould his team before we can make valid judgements' on Sannino. That said he took on one horrible mess from Zola.

On another note; Watford based on up-to-date attendances have the best attendance record of the Pozzo's clubs.

So far average attendances are:

Watford: 15614
Granada: 15302
Udinese: 11313

It's time to stop calling watford a small club, comparisons with Barcelona or Man U are not relevant but then how many premier clubs in Europe are?

Watford's attendance compares favourably with the average club in the Main Four European premier leagues.

When the new stand is built will regularly draw in 20000 in the premier maybe 25000. In Graham Taylor's golden years in the old Div 1 gates of 27000 were achieved.

Watford if things go well will be the primary Pozzo club.
If I remember correctly, you are the one who introduced the charming term 'sheeple' to this site, and regularly go off piste from a football topic with your anti communistic rants, which are, for your information, actually more correctly fascist observations. There are some on here, roger me ole mucker, who can be lucid and erudite (my favourite Sean Dyche word) without resorting to personal insults. You aren't one of them so to you one of MY favourite words: hypocrite. Have a nice day, now.
Ouch !
Where do I start? How can you be at one time both lucid and erudite and not resorting to personal insults followed by you have a favourite word Hypocrite which you apply to me for expressing my opinion? Can you see our problem in understanding your rather confused state? By accident you have supremely defined hypocrisy using yourself as a perfect example – Brilliant!

Some of the most bigoted people on the planet have lived and continue to live in South Africa, there are so many fascists living there its surprising you cannot see the similarities in both ideologies!

I will not accept you calling me a hypocrite because it is simply not true. You call yourself lucid and erudite but you are anything but! You are confused and single minded! It’s also not a nice trait to compliment yourself in writing with your own perceived qualities.

I own up to introducing the term sheeple because that’s what they are, only this morning someone is called a Moron and Imbecile and he gets about 60 thumbs down. If that’s not sheeple behaviour then what the hell is? Here you are confused and very wrong is misunderstanding or manipulating the argument of calling somebody a racist or fascist only because you cannot elucidate a counter argument. This has been common practice in the UK under New Labour and in the US under the Democrats, e.g. if you criticize Obama for anything Democrats call you a racist! New Labour killed free speech in the UK where we now resort to putting people in prison for making non PC comments on a tram. This is dangerous territory and I for one am doing everything I can to fight it!

Sheeple behaviour is tribe or gang orientated usually appealing to low IQ persons who are low on self-esteem and feel empowered in numbers. Their employ colloquial language like, Plonker and mental and so on to insult people, or alternatively to curb free speech or bully people for having an alternative opinion, which demonstrates individuality and the very opposite of sheeple culture where the power comes from the crowd or safety in numbers! This is common behaviour here where people gang up against individuals. You apparently endorse this behaviour!

Obviously a gang or a crowd of like-minded low IQ people cannot accept individual opinions because that threatens the very ethos of the tribe or gang! Using words like communism, proletariat or sans culottes is an analogy to describe such behaviour what’s wrong with that? How bright are you in not understanding the use of an analogy with your confusion of thinking I am discussing communism?

I am not a hypocrite and I am not sure if you understand what hypocrisy is? You have employed the term to me but not thinking it through! When I use the word sheeple or chav it is used in retaliation but not originated by me which is massively different and why I cannot be a hypocrite. I am retaliating against abuse, I never initiated it and that is paramount! I will fight back, defending freedom and free speech. I am a libertarian which doesn’t make me a soft touch.

For someone as articulate as you claim to be, you have a very poor understanding of fascism, I am assuming you refer to Germany? Nazi means National Socialism (the clue is in the title)! There is very little difference between the evils of Nazism and Communism, both share the trait of brooking no free speech amongst many other evils and use authoritarian methods to achieve absolute power. Where they differ is in number of victims. Communism is responsible for many more tens of millions being killed in comparison to Fascism. I hope this explanation is lucid and erudite enough for you!
[quote][p][bold]SAHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mellow yellow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: What an aggressive site this is, Nobody can make their heartfelt opinion without being called a Moron or Imbecile. What's wrong with you people? Seems many have issues which should be dealt with far away from a fans site. Can you not show the minimum of courtesy especially to those who don't post regularly! Obviously a game to forget, the jury is out on the new coach he needs about three months to mould his team before we can make valid judgements' on Sannino. That said he took on one horrible mess from Zola. On another note; Watford based on up-to-date attendances have the best attendance record of the Pozzo's clubs. So far average attendances are: Watford: 15614 Granada: 15302 Udinese: 11313 It's time to stop calling watford a small club, comparisons with Barcelona or Man U are not relevant but then how many premier clubs in Europe are? Watford's attendance compares favourably with the average club in the Main Four European premier leagues. When the new stand is built will regularly draw in 20000 in the premier maybe 25000. In Graham Taylor's golden years in the old Div 1 gates of 27000 were achieved. Watford if things go well will be the primary Pozzo club.[/p][/quote]If I remember correctly, you are the one who introduced the charming term 'sheeple' to this site, and regularly go off piste from a football topic with your anti communistic rants, which are, for your information, actually more correctly fascist observations. There are some on here, roger me ole mucker, who can be lucid and erudite (my favourite Sean Dyche word) without resorting to personal insults. You aren't one of them so to you one of MY favourite words: hypocrite. Have a nice day, now.[/p][/quote]Ouch ![/p][/quote]Where do I start? How can you be at one time both lucid and erudite and not resorting to personal insults followed by you have a favourite word Hypocrite which you apply to me for expressing my opinion? Can you see our problem in understanding your rather confused state? By accident you have supremely defined hypocrisy using yourself as a perfect example – Brilliant! Some of the most bigoted people on the planet have lived and continue to live in South Africa, there are so many fascists living there its surprising you cannot see the similarities in both ideologies! I will not accept you calling me a hypocrite because it is simply not true. You call yourself lucid and erudite but you are anything but! You are confused and single minded! It’s also not a nice trait to compliment yourself in writing with your own perceived qualities. I own up to introducing the term sheeple because that’s what they are, only this morning someone is called a Moron and Imbecile and he gets about 60 thumbs down. If that’s not sheeple behaviour then what the hell is? Here you are confused and very wrong is misunderstanding or manipulating the argument of calling somebody a racist or fascist only because you cannot elucidate a counter argument. This has been common practice in the UK under New Labour and in the US under the Democrats, e.g. if you criticize Obama for anything Democrats call you a racist! New Labour killed free speech in the UK where we now resort to putting people in prison for making non PC comments on a tram. This is dangerous territory and I for one am doing everything I can to fight it! Sheeple behaviour is tribe or gang orientated usually appealing to low IQ persons who are low on self-esteem and feel empowered in numbers. Their employ colloquial language like, Plonker and mental and so on to insult people, or alternatively to curb free speech or bully people for having an alternative opinion, which demonstrates individuality and the very opposite of sheeple culture where the power comes from the crowd or safety in numbers! This is common behaviour here where people gang up against individuals. You apparently endorse this behaviour! Obviously a gang or a crowd of like-minded low IQ people cannot accept individual opinions because that threatens the very ethos of the tribe or gang! Using words like communism, proletariat or sans culottes is an analogy to describe such behaviour what’s wrong with that? How bright are you in not understanding the use of an analogy with your confusion of thinking I am discussing communism? I am not a hypocrite and I am not sure if you understand what hypocrisy is? You have employed the term to me but not thinking it through! When I use the word sheeple or chav it is used in retaliation but not originated by me which is massively different and why I cannot be a hypocrite. I am retaliating against abuse, I never initiated it and that is paramount! I will fight back, defending freedom and free speech. I am a libertarian which doesn’t make me a soft touch. For someone as articulate as you claim to be, you have a very poor understanding of fascism, I am assuming you refer to Germany? Nazi means National Socialism (the clue is in the title)! There is very little difference between the evils of Nazism and Communism, both share the trait of brooking no free speech amongst many other evils and use authoritarian methods to achieve absolute power. Where they differ is in number of victims. Communism is responsible for many more tens of millions being killed in comparison to Fascism. I hope this explanation is lucid and erudite enough for you! rogeruk

11:25am Sun 5 Jan 14

Bogside Come Back says...

rogeruk wrote:
SAHornet wrote:
mellow yellow wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
What an aggressive site this is, Nobody can make their heartfelt opinion without being called a Moron or Imbecile. What's wrong with you people? Seems many have issues which should be dealt with far away from a fans site.

Can you not show the minimum of courtesy especially to those who don't post regularly!

Obviously a game to forget, the jury is out on the new coach he needs about three months to mould his team before we can make valid judgements' on Sannino. That said he took on one horrible mess from Zola.

On another note; Watford based on up-to-date attendances have the best attendance record of the Pozzo's clubs.

So far average attendances are:

Watford: 15614
Granada: 15302
Udinese: 11313

It's time to stop calling watford a small club, comparisons with Barcelona or Man U are not relevant but then how many premier clubs in Europe are?

Watford's attendance compares favourably with the average club in the Main Four European premier leagues.

When the new stand is built will regularly draw in 20000 in the premier maybe 25000. In Graham Taylor's golden years in the old Div 1 gates of 27000 were achieved.

Watford if things go well will be the primary Pozzo club.
If I remember correctly, you are the one who introduced the charming term 'sheeple' to this site, and regularly go off piste from a football topic with your anti communistic rants, which are, for your information, actually more correctly fascist observations. There are some on here, roger me ole mucker, who can be lucid and erudite (my favourite Sean Dyche word) without resorting to personal insults. You aren't one of them so to you one of MY favourite words: hypocrite. Have a nice day, now.
Ouch !
Where do I start? How can you be at one time both lucid and erudite and not resorting to personal insults followed by you have a favourite word Hypocrite which you apply to me for expressing my opinion? Can you see our problem in understanding your rather confused state? By accident you have supremely defined hypocrisy using yourself as a perfect example – Brilliant!

Some of the most bigoted people on the planet have lived and continue to live in South Africa, there are so many fascists living there its surprising you cannot see the similarities in both ideologies!

I will not accept you calling me a hypocrite because it is simply not true. You call yourself lucid and erudite but you are anything but! You are confused and single minded! It’s also not a nice trait to compliment yourself in writing with your own perceived qualities.

I own up to introducing the term sheeple because that’s what they are, only this morning someone is called a Moron and Imbecile and he gets about 60 thumbs down. If that’s not sheeple behaviour then what the hell is? Here you are confused and very wrong is misunderstanding or manipulating the argument of calling somebody a racist or fascist only because you cannot elucidate a counter argument. This has been common practice in the UK under New Labour and in the US under the Democrats, e.g. if you criticize Obama for anything Democrats call you a racist! New Labour killed free speech in the UK where we now resort to putting people in prison for making non PC comments on a tram. This is dangerous territory and I for one am doing everything I can to fight it!

Sheeple behaviour is tribe or gang orientated usually appealing to low IQ persons who are low on self-esteem and feel empowered in numbers. Their employ colloquial language like, Plonker and mental and so on to insult people, or alternatively to curb free speech or bully people for having an alternative opinion, which demonstrates individuality and the very opposite of sheeple culture where the power comes from the crowd or safety in numbers! This is common behaviour here where people gang up against individuals. You apparently endorse this behaviour!

Obviously a gang or a crowd of like-minded low IQ people cannot accept individual opinions because that threatens the very ethos of the tribe or gang! Using words like communism, proletariat or sans culottes is an analogy to describe such behaviour what’s wrong with that? How bright are you in not understanding the use of an analogy with your confusion of thinking I am discussing communism?

I am not a hypocrite and I am not sure if you understand what hypocrisy is? You have employed the term to me but not thinking it through! When I use the word sheeple or chav it is used in retaliation but not originated by me which is massively different and why I cannot be a hypocrite. I am retaliating against abuse, I never initiated it and that is paramount! I will fight back, defending freedom and free speech. I am a libertarian which doesn’t make me a soft touch.

For someone as articulate as you claim to be, you have a very poor understanding of fascism, I am assuming you refer to Germany? Nazi means National Socialism (the clue is in the title)! There is very little difference between the evils of Nazism and Communism, both share the trait of brooking no free speech amongst many other evils and use authoritarian methods to achieve absolute power. Where they differ is in number of victims. Communism is responsible for many more tens of millions being killed in comparison to Fascism. I hope this explanation is lucid and erudite enough for you!
Do you get out much
[quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mellow yellow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: What an aggressive site this is, Nobody can make their heartfelt opinion without being called a Moron or Imbecile. What's wrong with you people? Seems many have issues which should be dealt with far away from a fans site. Can you not show the minimum of courtesy especially to those who don't post regularly! Obviously a game to forget, the jury is out on the new coach he needs about three months to mould his team before we can make valid judgements' on Sannino. That said he took on one horrible mess from Zola. On another note; Watford based on up-to-date attendances have the best attendance record of the Pozzo's clubs. So far average attendances are: Watford: 15614 Granada: 15302 Udinese: 11313 It's time to stop calling watford a small club, comparisons with Barcelona or Man U are not relevant but then how many premier clubs in Europe are? Watford's attendance compares favourably with the average club in the Main Four European premier leagues. When the new stand is built will regularly draw in 20000 in the premier maybe 25000. In Graham Taylor's golden years in the old Div 1 gates of 27000 were achieved. Watford if things go well will be the primary Pozzo club.[/p][/quote]If I remember correctly, you are the one who introduced the charming term 'sheeple' to this site, and regularly go off piste from a football topic with your anti communistic rants, which are, for your information, actually more correctly fascist observations. There are some on here, roger me ole mucker, who can be lucid and erudite (my favourite Sean Dyche word) without resorting to personal insults. You aren't one of them so to you one of MY favourite words: hypocrite. Have a nice day, now.[/p][/quote]Ouch ![/p][/quote]Where do I start? How can you be at one time both lucid and erudite and not resorting to personal insults followed by you have a favourite word Hypocrite which you apply to me for expressing my opinion? Can you see our problem in understanding your rather confused state? By accident you have supremely defined hypocrisy using yourself as a perfect example – Brilliant! Some of the most bigoted people on the planet have lived and continue to live in South Africa, there are so many fascists living there its surprising you cannot see the similarities in both ideologies! I will not accept you calling me a hypocrite because it is simply not true. You call yourself lucid and erudite but you are anything but! You are confused and single minded! It’s also not a nice trait to compliment yourself in writing with your own perceived qualities. I own up to introducing the term sheeple because that’s what they are, only this morning someone is called a Moron and Imbecile and he gets about 60 thumbs down. If that’s not sheeple behaviour then what the hell is? Here you are confused and very wrong is misunderstanding or manipulating the argument of calling somebody a racist or fascist only because you cannot elucidate a counter argument. This has been common practice in the UK under New Labour and in the US under the Democrats, e.g. if you criticize Obama for anything Democrats call you a racist! New Labour killed free speech in the UK where we now resort to putting people in prison for making non PC comments on a tram. This is dangerous territory and I for one am doing everything I can to fight it! Sheeple behaviour is tribe or gang orientated usually appealing to low IQ persons who are low on self-esteem and feel empowered in numbers. Their employ colloquial language like, Plonker and mental and so on to insult people, or alternatively to curb free speech or bully people for having an alternative opinion, which demonstrates individuality and the very opposite of sheeple culture where the power comes from the crowd or safety in numbers! This is common behaviour here where people gang up against individuals. You apparently endorse this behaviour! Obviously a gang or a crowd of like-minded low IQ people cannot accept individual opinions because that threatens the very ethos of the tribe or gang! Using words like communism, proletariat or sans culottes is an analogy to describe such behaviour what’s wrong with that? How bright are you in not understanding the use of an analogy with your confusion of thinking I am discussing communism? I am not a hypocrite and I am not sure if you understand what hypocrisy is? You have employed the term to me but not thinking it through! When I use the word sheeple or chav it is used in retaliation but not originated by me which is massively different and why I cannot be a hypocrite. I am retaliating against abuse, I never initiated it and that is paramount! I will fight back, defending freedom and free speech. I am a libertarian which doesn’t make me a soft touch. For someone as articulate as you claim to be, you have a very poor understanding of fascism, I am assuming you refer to Germany? Nazi means National Socialism (the clue is in the title)! There is very little difference between the evils of Nazism and Communism, both share the trait of brooking no free speech amongst many other evils and use authoritarian methods to achieve absolute power. Where they differ is in number of victims. Communism is responsible for many more tens of millions being killed in comparison to Fascism. I hope this explanation is lucid and erudite enough for you![/p][/quote]Do you get out much Bogside Come Back

11:30am Sun 5 Jan 14

Stoney77 says...

rogeruk wrote:
SAHornet wrote:
mellow yellow wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
What an aggressive site this is, Nobody can make their heartfelt opinion without being called a Moron or Imbecile. What's wrong with you people? Seems many have issues which should be dealt with far away from a fans site.

Can you not show the minimum of courtesy especially to those who don't post regularly!

Obviously a game to forget, the jury is out on the new coach he needs about three months to mould his team before we can make valid judgements' on Sannino. That said he took on one horrible mess from Zola.

On another note; Watford based on up-to-date attendances have the best attendance record of the Pozzo's clubs.

So far average attendances are:

Watford: 15614
Granada: 15302
Udinese: 11313

It's time to stop calling watford a small club, comparisons with Barcelona or Man U are not relevant but then how many premier clubs in Europe are?

Watford's attendance compares favourably with the average club in the Main Four European premier leagues.

When the new stand is built will regularly draw in 20000 in the premier maybe 25000. In Graham Taylor's golden years in the old Div 1 gates of 27000 were achieved.

Watford if things go well will be the primary Pozzo club.
If I remember correctly, you are the one who introduced the charming term 'sheeple' to this site, and regularly go off piste from a football topic with your anti communistic rants, which are, for your information, actually more correctly fascist observations. There are some on here, roger me ole mucker, who can be lucid and erudite (my favourite Sean Dyche word) without resorting to personal insults. You aren't one of them so to you one of MY favourite words: hypocrite. Have a nice day, now.
Ouch !
Where do I start? How can you be at one time both lucid and erudite and not resorting to personal insults followed by you have a favourite word Hypocrite which you apply to me for expressing my opinion? Can you see our problem in understanding your rather confused state? By accident you have supremely defined hypocrisy using yourself as a perfect example – Brilliant!

Some of the most bigoted people on the planet have lived and continue to live in South Africa, there are so many fascists living there its surprising you cannot see the similarities in both ideologies!

I will not accept you calling me a hypocrite because it is simply not true. You call yourself lucid and erudite but you are anything but! You are confused and single minded! It’s also not a nice trait to compliment yourself in writing with your own perceived qualities.

I own up to introducing the term sheeple because that’s what they are, only this morning someone is called a Moron and Imbecile and he gets about 60 thumbs down. If that’s not sheeple behaviour then what the hell is? Here you are confused and very wrong is misunderstanding or manipulating the argument of calling somebody a racist or fascist only because you cannot elucidate a counter argument. This has been common practice in the UK under New Labour and in the US under the Democrats, e.g. if you criticize Obama for anything Democrats call you a racist! New Labour killed free speech in the UK where we now resort to putting people in prison for making non PC comments on a tram. This is dangerous territory and I for one am doing everything I can to fight it!

Sheeple behaviour is tribe or gang orientated usually appealing to low IQ persons who are low on self-esteem and feel empowered in numbers. Their employ colloquial language like, Plonker and mental and so on to insult people, or alternatively to curb free speech or bully people for having an alternative opinion, which demonstrates individuality and the very opposite of sheeple culture where the power comes from the crowd or safety in numbers! This is common behaviour here where people gang up against individuals. You apparently endorse this behaviour!

Obviously a gang or a crowd of like-minded low IQ people cannot accept individual opinions because that threatens the very ethos of the tribe or gang! Using words like communism, proletariat or sans culottes is an analogy to describe such behaviour what’s wrong with that? How bright are you in not understanding the use of an analogy with your confusion of thinking I am discussing communism?

I am not a hypocrite and I am not sure if you understand what hypocrisy is? You have employed the term to me but not thinking it through! When I use the word sheeple or chav it is used in retaliation but not originated by me which is massively different and why I cannot be a hypocrite. I am retaliating against abuse, I never initiated it and that is paramount! I will fight back, defending freedom and free speech. I am a libertarian which doesn’t make me a soft touch.

For someone as articulate as you claim to be, you have a very poor understanding of fascism, I am assuming you refer to Germany? Nazi means National Socialism (the clue is in the title)! There is very little difference between the evils of Nazism and Communism, both share the trait of brooking no free speech amongst many other evils and use authoritarian methods to achieve absolute power. Where they differ is in number of victims. Communism is responsible for many more tens of millions being killed in comparison to Fascism. I hope this explanation is lucid and erudite enough for you!
Come on now Roger, there's no time for this, your 4 multinational businesses won't run themselves
[quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mellow yellow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: What an aggressive site this is, Nobody can make their heartfelt opinion without being called a Moron or Imbecile. What's wrong with you people? Seems many have issues which should be dealt with far away from a fans site. Can you not show the minimum of courtesy especially to those who don't post regularly! Obviously a game to forget, the jury is out on the new coach he needs about three months to mould his team before we can make valid judgements' on Sannino. That said he took on one horrible mess from Zola. On another note; Watford based on up-to-date attendances have the best attendance record of the Pozzo's clubs. So far average attendances are: Watford: 15614 Granada: 15302 Udinese: 11313 It's time to stop calling watford a small club, comparisons with Barcelona or Man U are not relevant but then how many premier clubs in Europe are? Watford's attendance compares favourably with the average club in the Main Four European premier leagues. When the new stand is built will regularly draw in 20000 in the premier maybe 25000. In Graham Taylor's golden years in the old Div 1 gates of 27000 were achieved. Watford if things go well will be the primary Pozzo club.[/p][/quote]If I remember correctly, you are the one who introduced the charming term 'sheeple' to this site, and regularly go off piste from a football topic with your anti communistic rants, which are, for your information, actually more correctly fascist observations. There are some on here, roger me ole mucker, who can be lucid and erudite (my favourite Sean Dyche word) without resorting to personal insults. You aren't one of them so to you one of MY favourite words: hypocrite. Have a nice day, now.[/p][/quote]Ouch ![/p][/quote]Where do I start? How can you be at one time both lucid and erudite and not resorting to personal insults followed by you have a favourite word Hypocrite which you apply to me for expressing my opinion? Can you see our problem in understanding your rather confused state? By accident you have supremely defined hypocrisy using yourself as a perfect example – Brilliant! Some of the most bigoted people on the planet have lived and continue to live in South Africa, there are so many fascists living there its surprising you cannot see the similarities in both ideologies! I will not accept you calling me a hypocrite because it is simply not true. You call yourself lucid and erudite but you are anything but! You are confused and single minded! It’s also not a nice trait to compliment yourself in writing with your own perceived qualities. I own up to introducing the term sheeple because that’s what they are, only this morning someone is called a Moron and Imbecile and he gets about 60 thumbs down. If that’s not sheeple behaviour then what the hell is? Here you are confused and very wrong is misunderstanding or manipulating the argument of calling somebody a racist or fascist only because you cannot elucidate a counter argument. This has been common practice in the UK under New Labour and in the US under the Democrats, e.g. if you criticize Obama for anything Democrats call you a racist! New Labour killed free speech in the UK where we now resort to putting people in prison for making non PC comments on a tram. This is dangerous territory and I for one am doing everything I can to fight it! Sheeple behaviour is tribe or gang orientated usually appealing to low IQ persons who are low on self-esteem and feel empowered in numbers. Their employ colloquial language like, Plonker and mental and so on to insult people, or alternatively to curb free speech or bully people for having an alternative opinion, which demonstrates individuality and the very opposite of sheeple culture where the power comes from the crowd or safety in numbers! This is common behaviour here where people gang up against individuals. You apparently endorse this behaviour! Obviously a gang or a crowd of like-minded low IQ people cannot accept individual opinions because that threatens the very ethos of the tribe or gang! Using words like communism, proletariat or sans culottes is an analogy to describe such behaviour what’s wrong with that? How bright are you in not understanding the use of an analogy with your confusion of thinking I am discussing communism? I am not a hypocrite and I am not sure if you understand what hypocrisy is? You have employed the term to me but not thinking it through! When I use the word sheeple or chav it is used in retaliation but not originated by me which is massively different and why I cannot be a hypocrite. I am retaliating against abuse, I never initiated it and that is paramount! I will fight back, defending freedom and free speech. I am a libertarian which doesn’t make me a soft touch. For someone as articulate as you claim to be, you have a very poor understanding of fascism, I am assuming you refer to Germany? Nazi means National Socialism (the clue is in the title)! There is very little difference between the evils of Nazism and Communism, both share the trait of brooking no free speech amongst many other evils and use authoritarian methods to achieve absolute power. Where they differ is in number of victims. Communism is responsible for many more tens of millions being killed in comparison to Fascism. I hope this explanation is lucid and erudite enough for you![/p][/quote]Come on now Roger, there's no time for this, your 4 multinational businesses won't run themselves Stoney77

11:51am Sun 5 Jan 14

Stoney77 says...

rogeruk wrote:
SAHornet wrote:
mellow yellow wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
What an aggressive site this is, Nobody can make their heartfelt opinion without being called a Moron or Imbecile. What's wrong with you people? Seems many have issues which should be dealt with far away from a fans site.

Can you not show the minimum of courtesy especially to those who don't post regularly!

Obviously a game to forget, the jury is out on the new coach he needs about three months to mould his team before we can make valid judgements' on Sannino. That said he took on one horrible mess from Zola.

On another note; Watford based on up-to-date attendances have the best attendance record of the Pozzo's clubs.

So far average attendances are:

Watford: 15614
Granada: 15302
Udinese: 11313

It's time to stop calling watford a small club, comparisons with Barcelona or Man U are not relevant but then how many premier clubs in Europe are?

Watford's attendance compares favourably with the average club in the Main Four European premier leagues.

When the new stand is built will regularly draw in 20000 in the premier maybe 25000. In Graham Taylor's golden years in the old Div 1 gates of 27000 were achieved.

Watford if things go well will be the primary Pozzo club.
If I remember correctly, you are the one who introduced the charming term 'sheeple' to this site, and regularly go off piste from a football topic with your anti communistic rants, which are, for your information, actually more correctly fascist observations. There are some on here, roger me ole mucker, who can be lucid and erudite (my favourite Sean Dyche word) without resorting to personal insults. You aren't one of them so to you one of MY favourite words: hypocrite. Have a nice day, now.
Ouch !
Where do I start? How can you be at one time both lucid and erudite and not resorting to personal insults followed by you have a favourite word Hypocrite which you apply to me for expressing my opinion? Can you see our problem in understanding your rather confused state? By accident you have supremely defined hypocrisy using yourself as a perfect example – Brilliant!

Some of the most bigoted people on the planet have lived and continue to live in South Africa, there are so many fascists living there its surprising you cannot see the similarities in both ideologies!

I will not accept you calling me a hypocrite because it is simply not true. You call yourself lucid and erudite but you are anything but! You are confused and single minded! It’s also not a nice trait to compliment yourself in writing with your own perceived qualities.

I own up to introducing the term sheeple because that’s what they are, only this morning someone is called a Moron and Imbecile and he gets about 60 thumbs down. If that’s not sheeple behaviour then what the hell is? Here you are confused and very wrong is misunderstanding or manipulating the argument of calling somebody a racist or fascist only because you cannot elucidate a counter argument. This has been common practice in the UK under New Labour and in the US under the Democrats, e.g. if you criticize Obama for anything Democrats call you a racist! New Labour killed free speech in the UK where we now resort to putting people in prison for making non PC comments on a tram. This is dangerous territory and I for one am doing everything I can to fight it!

Sheeple behaviour is tribe or gang orientated usually appealing to low IQ persons who are low on self-esteem and feel empowered in numbers. Their employ colloquial language like, Plonker and mental and so on to insult people, or alternatively to curb free speech or bully people for having an alternative opinion, which demonstrates individuality and the very opposite of sheeple culture where the power comes from the crowd or safety in numbers! This is common behaviour here where people gang up against individuals. You apparently endorse this behaviour!

Obviously a gang or a crowd of like-minded low IQ people cannot accept individual opinions because that threatens the very ethos of the tribe or gang! Using words like communism, proletariat or sans culottes is an analogy to describe such behaviour what’s wrong with that? How bright are you in not understanding the use of an analogy with your confusion of thinking I am discussing communism?

I am not a hypocrite and I am not sure if you understand what hypocrisy is? You have employed the term to me but not thinking it through! When I use the word sheeple or chav it is used in retaliation but not originated by me which is massively different and why I cannot be a hypocrite. I am retaliating against abuse, I never initiated it and that is paramount! I will fight back, defending freedom and free speech. I am a libertarian which doesn’t make me a soft touch.

For someone as articulate as you claim to be, you have a very poor understanding of fascism, I am assuming you refer to Germany? Nazi means National Socialism (the clue is in the title)! There is very little difference between the evils of Nazism and Communism, both share the trait of brooking no free speech amongst many other evils and use authoritarian methods to achieve absolute power. Where they differ is in number of victims. Communism is responsible for many more tens of millions being killed in comparison to Fascism. I hope this explanation is lucid and erudite enough for you!
Can we all go for a IQ test together please. Rogeruk seems to think we all have a low IQ. I'm interested to see if he is right, I'm quite confident of doing well. I did get up to my 10 times table at school and once got the conundrum on countdown within 10 seconds.

Also, Roger, on a more serious note you seem to have a problem with peoples right to vote on here. Readers of the comments section are presented with 3 options upon reading others comments; to agree, to abstain or to disagree. Yet when multiple people choose the same option they are labelled as Sheeple. If you do not accept others opinions or do not accept that they have a right to vote and to express their behaviour, does this not imply that you have dictatorial behaviour characteristics?

#justasking

#sheeplearmy
[quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mellow yellow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: What an aggressive site this is, Nobody can make their heartfelt opinion without being called a Moron or Imbecile. What's wrong with you people? Seems many have issues which should be dealt with far away from a fans site. Can you not show the minimum of courtesy especially to those who don't post regularly! Obviously a game to forget, the jury is out on the new coach he needs about three months to mould his team before we can make valid judgements' on Sannino. That said he took on one horrible mess from Zola. On another note; Watford based on up-to-date attendances have the best attendance record of the Pozzo's clubs. So far average attendances are: Watford: 15614 Granada: 15302 Udinese: 11313 It's time to stop calling watford a small club, comparisons with Barcelona or Man U are not relevant but then how many premier clubs in Europe are? Watford's attendance compares favourably with the average club in the Main Four European premier leagues. When the new stand is built will regularly draw in 20000 in the premier maybe 25000. In Graham Taylor's golden years in the old Div 1 gates of 27000 were achieved. Watford if things go well will be the primary Pozzo club.[/p][/quote]If I remember correctly, you are the one who introduced the charming term 'sheeple' to this site, and regularly go off piste from a football topic with your anti communistic rants, which are, for your information, actually more correctly fascist observations. There are some on here, roger me ole mucker, who can be lucid and erudite (my favourite Sean Dyche word) without resorting to personal insults. You aren't one of them so to you one of MY favourite words: hypocrite. Have a nice day, now.[/p][/quote]Ouch ![/p][/quote]Where do I start? How can you be at one time both lucid and erudite and not resorting to personal insults followed by you have a favourite word Hypocrite which you apply to me for expressing my opinion? Can you see our problem in understanding your rather confused state? By accident you have supremely defined hypocrisy using yourself as a perfect example – Brilliant! Some of the most bigoted people on the planet have lived and continue to live in South Africa, there are so many fascists living there its surprising you cannot see the similarities in both ideologies! I will not accept you calling me a hypocrite because it is simply not true. You call yourself lucid and erudite but you are anything but! You are confused and single minded! It’s also not a nice trait to compliment yourself in writing with your own perceived qualities. I own up to introducing the term sheeple because that’s what they are, only this morning someone is called a Moron and Imbecile and he gets about 60 thumbs down. If that’s not sheeple behaviour then what the hell is? Here you are confused and very wrong is misunderstanding or manipulating the argument of calling somebody a racist or fascist only because you cannot elucidate a counter argument. This has been common practice in the UK under New Labour and in the US under the Democrats, e.g. if you criticize Obama for anything Democrats call you a racist! New Labour killed free speech in the UK where we now resort to putting people in prison for making non PC comments on a tram. This is dangerous territory and I for one am doing everything I can to fight it! Sheeple behaviour is tribe or gang orientated usually appealing to low IQ persons who are low on self-esteem and feel empowered in numbers. Their employ colloquial language like, Plonker and mental and so on to insult people, or alternatively to curb free speech or bully people for having an alternative opinion, which demonstrates individuality and the very opposite of sheeple culture where the power comes from the crowd or safety in numbers! This is common behaviour here where people gang up against individuals. You apparently endorse this behaviour! Obviously a gang or a crowd of like-minded low IQ people cannot accept individual opinions because that threatens the very ethos of the tribe or gang! Using words like communism, proletariat or sans culottes is an analogy to describe such behaviour what’s wrong with that? How bright are you in not understanding the use of an analogy with your confusion of thinking I am discussing communism? I am not a hypocrite and I am not sure if you understand what hypocrisy is? You have employed the term to me but not thinking it through! When I use the word sheeple or chav it is used in retaliation but not originated by me which is massively different and why I cannot be a hypocrite. I am retaliating against abuse, I never initiated it and that is paramount! I will fight back, defending freedom and free speech. I am a libertarian which doesn’t make me a soft touch. For someone as articulate as you claim to be, you have a very poor understanding of fascism, I am assuming you refer to Germany? Nazi means National Socialism (the clue is in the title)! There is very little difference between the evils of Nazism and Communism, both share the trait of brooking no free speech amongst many other evils and use authoritarian methods to achieve absolute power. Where they differ is in number of victims. Communism is responsible for many more tens of millions being killed in comparison to Fascism. I hope this explanation is lucid and erudite enough for you![/p][/quote]Can we all go for a IQ test together please. Rogeruk seems to think we all have a low IQ. I'm interested to see if he is right, I'm quite confident of doing well. I did get up to my 10 times table at school and once got the conundrum on countdown within 10 seconds. Also, Roger, on a more serious note you seem to have a problem with peoples right to vote on here. Readers of the comments section are presented with 3 options upon reading others comments; to agree, to abstain or to disagree. Yet when multiple people choose the same option they are labelled as Sheeple. If you do not accept others opinions or do not accept that they have a right to vote and to express their behaviour, does this not imply that you have dictatorial behaviour characteristics? #justasking #sheeplearmy Stoney77

11:56am Sun 5 Jan 14

anywayasiwasaying says...

Stoney77 wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
SAHornet wrote:
mellow yellow wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
What an aggressive site this is, Nobody can make their heartfelt opinion without being called a Moron or Imbecile. What's wrong with you people? Seems many have issues which should be dealt with far away from a fans site.

Can you not show the minimum of courtesy especially to those who don't post regularly!

Obviously a game to forget, the jury is out on the new coach he needs about three months to mould his team before we can make valid judgements' on Sannino. That said he took on one horrible mess from Zola.

On another note; Watford based on up-to-date attendances have the best attendance record of the Pozzo's clubs.

So far average attendances are:

Watford: 15614
Granada: 15302
Udinese: 11313

It's time to stop calling watford a small club, comparisons with Barcelona or Man U are not relevant but then how many premier clubs in Europe are?

Watford's attendance compares favourably with the average club in the Main Four European premier leagues.

When the new stand is built will regularly draw in 20000 in the premier maybe 25000. In Graham Taylor's golden years in the old Div 1 gates of 27000 were achieved.

Watford if things go well will be the primary Pozzo club.
If I remember correctly, you are the one who introduced the charming term 'sheeple' to this site, and regularly go off piste from a football topic with your anti communistic rants, which are, for your information, actually more correctly fascist observations. There are some on here, roger me ole mucker, who can be lucid and erudite (my favourite Sean Dyche word) without resorting to personal insults. You aren't one of them so to you one of MY favourite words: hypocrite. Have a nice day, now.
Ouch !
Where do I start? How can you be at one time both lucid and erudite and not resorting to personal insults followed by you have a favourite word Hypocrite which you apply to me for expressing my opinion? Can you see our problem in understanding your rather confused state? By accident you have supremely defined hypocrisy using yourself as a perfect example – Brilliant!

Some of the most bigoted people on the planet have lived and continue to live in South Africa, there are so many fascists living there its surprising you cannot see the similarities in both ideologies!

I will not accept you calling me a hypocrite because it is simply not true. You call yourself lucid and erudite but you are anything but! You are confused and single minded! It’s also not a nice trait to compliment yourself in writing with your own perceived qualities.

I own up to introducing the term sheeple because that’s what they are, only this morning someone is called a Moron and Imbecile and he gets about 60 thumbs down. If that’s not sheeple behaviour then what the hell is? Here you are confused and very wrong is misunderstanding or manipulating the argument of calling somebody a racist or fascist only because you cannot elucidate a counter argument. This has been common practice in the UK under New Labour and in the US under the Democrats, e.g. if you criticize Obama for anything Democrats call you a racist! New Labour killed free speech in the UK where we now resort to putting people in prison for making non PC comments on a tram. This is dangerous territory and I for one am doing everything I can to fight it!

Sheeple behaviour is tribe or gang orientated usually appealing to low IQ persons who are low on self-esteem and feel empowered in numbers. Their employ colloquial language like, Plonker and mental and so on to insult people, or alternatively to curb free speech or bully people for having an alternative opinion, which demonstrates individuality and the very opposite of sheeple culture where the power comes from the crowd or safety in numbers! This is common behaviour here where people gang up against individuals. You apparently endorse this behaviour!

Obviously a gang or a crowd of like-minded low IQ people cannot accept individual opinions because that threatens the very ethos of the tribe or gang! Using words like communism, proletariat or sans culottes is an analogy to describe such behaviour what’s wrong with that? How bright are you in not understanding the use of an analogy with your confusion of thinking I am discussing communism?

I am not a hypocrite and I am not sure if you understand what hypocrisy is? You have employed the term to me but not thinking it through! When I use the word sheeple or chav it is used in retaliation but not originated by me which is massively different and why I cannot be a hypocrite. I am retaliating against abuse, I never initiated it and that is paramount! I will fight back, defending freedom and free speech. I am a libertarian which doesn’t make me a soft touch.

For someone as articulate as you claim to be, you have a very poor understanding of fascism, I am assuming you refer to Germany? Nazi means National Socialism (the clue is in the title)! There is very little difference between the evils of Nazism and Communism, both share the trait of brooking no free speech amongst many other evils and use authoritarian methods to achieve absolute power. Where they differ is in number of victims. Communism is responsible for many more tens of millions being killed in comparison to Fascism. I hope this explanation is lucid and erudite enough for you!
Come on now Roger, there's no time for this, your 4 multinational businesses won't run themselves
Rog, I know you see yourself as a libertarian who believes in free speech and democracy and that you respect the right for people to make their opinions known even if you disagree with what they say. Will you respect my opinion which is to ask you to focus your comments on matters relating to football l​only when posting on this site and find some other way to share your thoughts and beliefs on non football matters. A polite request, no insult and I'm not part of a conspiracy involving the men in grey suits. Would love to have an exchange of views with you Rog but only on football. This site used to be an excellent forum to have your say on the 'Orns without having to put up with all the sideshows and intolerance that is now much in evidence. COYH.
[quote][p][bold]Stoney77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mellow yellow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: What an aggressive site this is, Nobody can make their heartfelt opinion without being called a Moron or Imbecile. What's wrong with you people? Seems many have issues which should be dealt with far away from a fans site. Can you not show the minimum of courtesy especially to those who don't post regularly! Obviously a game to forget, the jury is out on the new coach he needs about three months to mould his team before we can make valid judgements' on Sannino. That said he took on one horrible mess from Zola. On another note; Watford based on up-to-date attendances have the best attendance record of the Pozzo's clubs. So far average attendances are: Watford: 15614 Granada: 15302 Udinese: 11313 It's time to stop calling watford a small club, comparisons with Barcelona or Man U are not relevant but then how many premier clubs in Europe are? Watford's attendance compares favourably with the average club in the Main Four European premier leagues. When the new stand is built will regularly draw in 20000 in the premier maybe 25000. In Graham Taylor's golden years in the old Div 1 gates of 27000 were achieved. Watford if things go well will be the primary Pozzo club.[/p][/quote]If I remember correctly, you are the one who introduced the charming term 'sheeple' to this site, and regularly go off piste from a football topic with your anti communistic rants, which are, for your information, actually more correctly fascist observations. There are some on here, roger me ole mucker, who can be lucid and erudite (my favourite Sean Dyche word) without resorting to personal insults. You aren't one of them so to you one of MY favourite words: hypocrite. Have a nice day, now.[/p][/quote]Ouch ![/p][/quote]Where do I start? How can you be at one time both lucid and erudite and not resorting to personal insults followed by you have a favourite word Hypocrite which you apply to me for expressing my opinion? Can you see our problem in understanding your rather confused state? By accident you have supremely defined hypocrisy using yourself as a perfect example – Brilliant! Some of the most bigoted people on the planet have lived and continue to live in South Africa, there are so many fascists living there its surprising you cannot see the similarities in both ideologies! I will not accept you calling me a hypocrite because it is simply not true. You call yourself lucid and erudite but you are anything but! You are confused and single minded! It’s also not a nice trait to compliment yourself in writing with your own perceived qualities. I own up to introducing the term sheeple because that’s what they are, only this morning someone is called a Moron and Imbecile and he gets about 60 thumbs down. If that’s not sheeple behaviour then what the hell is? Here you are confused and very wrong is misunderstanding or manipulating the argument of calling somebody a racist or fascist only because you cannot elucidate a counter argument. This has been common practice in the UK under New Labour and in the US under the Democrats, e.g. if you criticize Obama for anything Democrats call you a racist! New Labour killed free speech in the UK where we now resort to putting people in prison for making non PC comments on a tram. This is dangerous territory and I for one am doing everything I can to fight it! Sheeple behaviour is tribe or gang orientated usually appealing to low IQ persons who are low on self-esteem and feel empowered in numbers. Their employ colloquial language like, Plonker and mental and so on to insult people, or alternatively to curb free speech or bully people for having an alternative opinion, which demonstrates individuality and the very opposite of sheeple culture where the power comes from the crowd or safety in numbers! This is common behaviour here where people gang up against individuals. You apparently endorse this behaviour! Obviously a gang or a crowd of like-minded low IQ people cannot accept individual opinions because that threatens the very ethos of the tribe or gang! Using words like communism, proletariat or sans culottes is an analogy to describe such behaviour what’s wrong with that? How bright are you in not understanding the use of an analogy with your confusion of thinking I am discussing communism? I am not a hypocrite and I am not sure if you understand what hypocrisy is? You have employed the term to me but not thinking it through! When I use the word sheeple or chav it is used in retaliation but not originated by me which is massively different and why I cannot be a hypocrite. I am retaliating against abuse, I never initiated it and that is paramount! I will fight back, defending freedom and free speech. I am a libertarian which doesn’t make me a soft touch. For someone as articulate as you claim to be, you have a very poor understanding of fascism, I am assuming you refer to Germany? Nazi means National Socialism (the clue is in the title)! There is very little difference between the evils of Nazism and Communism, both share the trait of brooking no free speech amongst many other evils and use authoritarian methods to achieve absolute power. Where they differ is in number of victims. Communism is responsible for many more tens of millions being killed in comparison to Fascism. I hope this explanation is lucid and erudite enough for you![/p][/quote]Come on now Roger, there's no time for this, your 4 multinational businesses won't run themselves[/p][/quote]Rog, I know you see yourself as a libertarian who believes in free speech and democracy and that you respect the right for people to make their opinions known even if you disagree with what they say. Will you respect my opinion which is to ask you to focus your comments on matters relating to football l​only when posting on this site and find some other way to share your thoughts and beliefs on non football matters. A polite request, no insult and I'm not part of a conspiracy involving the men in grey suits. Would love to have an exchange of views with you Rog but only on football. This site used to be an excellent forum to have your say on the 'Orns without having to put up with all the sideshows and intolerance that is now much in evidence. COYH. anywayasiwasaying

11:59am Sun 5 Jan 14

GrahamTaylor says...

Lot of crap rubbish posted here about Zola and his ‘recent bad luck’ due to loss of injuries to key players, injuries and player turnover are part of the game. I say this team has been poor since February last season. Here are some facts for you all i.e not opinions or views.

Since Feb under Zola P36 W11 L14 D11 = PTS 46 That is relegation form right there with arguably the best what squad in the history of the club and why he should have been sacked (not resigned) IMO. Fail to see haw that is enjoyable football. Sure we have been able to watch good players play badly during that time but sadly that is not enough.

Football is all about results unfortunately, it’s not Ice skating you do not get bonus point for artistic impression! Nobody booed Boothroyd when we battered Leeds with direct football in Cardiff, his style only became an issue when we started losing. Zola’s style and personality bought him more time than we would have otherwise afforded him but ultimately it is a results business and losing games cost him his job.

The reason for his failure was summarised in this paper previously. Less than one hour a week on tactics and a day off 2 days before a game…… Ever wondered why we did not have an answer to our opponents tactics or threw away late leads…….
Lot of crap rubbish posted here about Zola and his ‘recent bad luck’ due to loss of injuries to key players, injuries and player turnover are part of the game. I say this team has been poor since February last season. Here are some facts for you all i.e not opinions or views. Since Feb under Zola P36 W11 L14 D11 = PTS 46 That is relegation form right there with arguably the best what squad in the history of the club and why he should have been sacked (not resigned) IMO. Fail to see haw that is enjoyable football. Sure we have been able to watch good players play badly during that time but sadly that is not enough. Football is all about results unfortunately, it’s not Ice skating you do not get bonus point for artistic impression! Nobody booed Boothroyd when we battered Leeds with direct football in Cardiff, his style only became an issue when we started losing. Zola’s style and personality bought him more time than we would have otherwise afforded him but ultimately it is a results business and losing games cost him his job. The reason for his failure was summarised in this paper previously. Less than one hour a week on tactics and a day off 2 days before a game…… Ever wondered why we did not have an answer to our opponents tactics or threw away late leads……. GrahamTaylor

12:02pm Sun 5 Jan 14

GrahamTaylor says...

excuse my maths its 44 points!
excuse my maths its 44 points! GrahamTaylor

12:11pm Sun 5 Jan 14

rogeruk says...

Stoney77 wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
SAHornet wrote:
mellow yellow wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
What an aggressive site this is, Nobody can make their heartfelt opinion without being called a Moron or Imbecile. What's wrong with you people? Seems many have issues which should be dealt with far away from a fans site.

Can you not show the minimum of courtesy especially to those who don't post regularly!

Obviously a game to forget, the jury is out on the new coach he needs about three months to mould his team before we can make valid judgements' on Sannino. That said he took on one horrible mess from Zola.

On another note; Watford based on up-to-date attendances have the best attendance record of the Pozzo's clubs.

So far average attendances are:

Watford: 15614
Granada: 15302
Udinese: 11313

It's time to stop calling watford a small club, comparisons with Barcelona or Man U are not relevant but then how many premier clubs in Europe are?

Watford's attendance compares favourably with the average club in the Main Four European premier leagues.

When the new stand is built will regularly draw in 20000 in the premier maybe 25000. In Graham Taylor's golden years in the old Div 1 gates of 27000 were achieved.

Watford if things go well will be the primary Pozzo club.
If I remember correctly, you are the one who introduced the charming term 'sheeple' to this site, and regularly go off piste from a football topic with your anti communistic rants, which are, for your information, actually more correctly fascist observations. There are some on here, roger me ole mucker, who can be lucid and erudite (my favourite Sean Dyche word) without resorting to personal insults. You aren't one of them so to you one of MY favourite words: hypocrite. Have a nice day, now.
Ouch !
Where do I start? How can you be at one time both lucid and erudite and not resorting to personal insults followed by you have a favourite word Hypocrite which you apply to me for expressing my opinion? Can you see our problem in understanding your rather confused state? By accident you have supremely defined hypocrisy using yourself as a perfect example – Brilliant!

Some of the most bigoted people on the planet have lived and continue to live in South Africa, there are so many fascists living there its surprising you cannot see the similarities in both ideologies!

I will not accept you calling me a hypocrite because it is simply not true. You call yourself lucid and erudite but you are anything but! You are confused and single minded! It’s also not a nice trait to compliment yourself in writing with your own perceived qualities.

I own up to introducing the term sheeple because that’s what they are, only this morning someone is called a Moron and Imbecile and he gets about 60 thumbs down. If that’s not sheeple behaviour then what the hell is? Here you are confused and very wrong is misunderstanding or manipulating the argument of calling somebody a racist or fascist only because you cannot elucidate a counter argument. This has been common practice in the UK under New Labour and in the US under the Democrats, e.g. if you criticize Obama for anything Democrats call you a racist! New Labour killed free speech in the UK where we now resort to putting people in prison for making non PC comments on a tram. This is dangerous territory and I for one am doing everything I can to fight it!

Sheeple behaviour is tribe or gang orientated usually appealing to low IQ persons who are low on self-esteem and feel empowered in numbers. Their employ colloquial language like, Plonker and mental and so on to insult people, or alternatively to curb free speech or bully people for having an alternative opinion, which demonstrates individuality and the very opposite of sheeple culture where the power comes from the crowd or safety in numbers! This is common behaviour here where people gang up against individuals. You apparently endorse this behaviour!

Obviously a gang or a crowd of like-minded low IQ people cannot accept individual opinions because that threatens the very ethos of the tribe or gang! Using words like communism, proletariat or sans culottes is an analogy to describe such behaviour what’s wrong with that? How bright are you in not understanding the use of an analogy with your confusion of thinking I am discussing communism?

I am not a hypocrite and I am not sure if you understand what hypocrisy is? You have employed the term to me but not thinking it through! When I use the word sheeple or chav it is used in retaliation but not originated by me which is massively different and why I cannot be a hypocrite. I am retaliating against abuse, I never initiated it and that is paramount! I will fight back, defending freedom and free speech. I am a libertarian which doesn’t make me a soft touch.

For someone as articulate as you claim to be, you have a very poor understanding of fascism, I am assuming you refer to Germany? Nazi means National Socialism (the clue is in the title)! There is very little difference between the evils of Nazism and Communism, both share the trait of brooking no free speech amongst many other evils and use authoritarian methods to achieve absolute power. Where they differ is in number of victims. Communism is responsible for many more tens of millions being killed in comparison to Fascism. I hope this explanation is lucid and erudite enough for you!
Can we all go for a IQ test together please. Rogeruk seems to think we all have a low IQ. I'm interested to see if he is right, I'm quite confident of doing well. I did get up to my 10 times table at school and once got the conundrum on countdown within 10 seconds.

Also, Roger, on a more serious note you seem to have a problem with peoples right to vote on here. Readers of the comments section are presented with 3 options upon reading others comments; to agree, to abstain or to disagree. Yet when multiple people choose the same option they are labelled as Sheeple. If you do not accept others opinions or do not accept that they have a right to vote and to express their behaviour, does this not imply that you have dictatorial behaviour characteristics?

#justasking

#sheeplearmy
I have no problem in people voting, I am in favour of it! Actually Hitler was voted into power by people of your mentality my view is different to yours!

I think giving someone a ‘thumbs up’ of 60 to somebody who calls somebody else a moron and imbecile for expressing his personal opinion is outrageous.

I am fully justified in calling 60 posters sheeple if they behave like that, it is intimidating, aggressive bullying and follows communist traits. If you have a problem with that it’s your problem. As long as you and your cohorts behave in this way expect more of the same.

My arguments and analogies are related to football, bullying shows its ugly head everywhere as does aggressive behaviour and thuggery which is why there are Yellow and Red cards.

If you're OK with this thuggery continuing then I am OK with lambasting you and your fellow sheeple! Can't be clearer than that!
[quote][p][bold]Stoney77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mellow yellow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: What an aggressive site this is, Nobody can make their heartfelt opinion without being called a Moron or Imbecile. What's wrong with you people? Seems many have issues which should be dealt with far away from a fans site. Can you not show the minimum of courtesy especially to those who don't post regularly! Obviously a game to forget, the jury is out on the new coach he needs about three months to mould his team before we can make valid judgements' on Sannino. That said he took on one horrible mess from Zola. On another note; Watford based on up-to-date attendances have the best attendance record of the Pozzo's clubs. So far average attendances are: Watford: 15614 Granada: 15302 Udinese: 11313 It's time to stop calling watford a small club, comparisons with Barcelona or Man U are not relevant but then how many premier clubs in Europe are? Watford's attendance compares favourably with the average club in the Main Four European premier leagues. When the new stand is built will regularly draw in 20000 in the premier maybe 25000. In Graham Taylor's golden years in the old Div 1 gates of 27000 were achieved. Watford if things go well will be the primary Pozzo club.[/p][/quote]If I remember correctly, you are the one who introduced the charming term 'sheeple' to this site, and regularly go off piste from a football topic with your anti communistic rants, which are, for your information, actually more correctly fascist observations. There are some on here, roger me ole mucker, who can be lucid and erudite (my favourite Sean Dyche word) without resorting to personal insults. You aren't one of them so to you one of MY favourite words: hypocrite. Have a nice day, now.[/p][/quote]Ouch ![/p][/quote]Where do I start? How can you be at one time both lucid and erudite and not resorting to personal insults followed by you have a favourite word Hypocrite which you apply to me for expressing my opinion? Can you see our problem in understanding your rather confused state? By accident you have supremely defined hypocrisy using yourself as a perfect example – Brilliant! Some of the most bigoted people on the planet have lived and continue to live in South Africa, there are so many fascists living there its surprising you cannot see the similarities in both ideologies! I will not accept you calling me a hypocrite because it is simply not true. You call yourself lucid and erudite but you are anything but! You are confused and single minded! It’s also not a nice trait to compliment yourself in writing with your own perceived qualities. I own up to introducing the term sheeple because that’s what they are, only this morning someone is called a Moron and Imbecile and he gets about 60 thumbs down. If that’s not sheeple behaviour then what the hell is? Here you are confused and very wrong is misunderstanding or manipulating the argument of calling somebody a racist or fascist only because you cannot elucidate a counter argument. This has been common practice in the UK under New Labour and in the US under the Democrats, e.g. if you criticize Obama for anything Democrats call you a racist! New Labour killed free speech in the UK where we now resort to putting people in prison for making non PC comments on a tram. This is dangerous territory and I for one am doing everything I can to fight it! Sheeple behaviour is tribe or gang orientated usually appealing to low IQ persons who are low on self-esteem and feel empowered in numbers. Their employ colloquial language like, Plonker and mental and so on to insult people, or alternatively to curb free speech or bully people for having an alternative opinion, which demonstrates individuality and the very opposite of sheeple culture where the power comes from the crowd or safety in numbers! This is common behaviour here where people gang up against individuals. You apparently endorse this behaviour! Obviously a gang or a crowd of like-minded low IQ people cannot accept individual opinions because that threatens the very ethos of the tribe or gang! Using words like communism, proletariat or sans culottes is an analogy to describe such behaviour what’s wrong with that? How bright are you in not understanding the use of an analogy with your confusion of thinking I am discussing communism? I am not a hypocrite and I am not sure if you understand what hypocrisy is? You have employed the term to me but not thinking it through! When I use the word sheeple or chav it is used in retaliation but not originated by me which is massively different and why I cannot be a hypocrite. I am retaliating against abuse, I never initiated it and that is paramount! I will fight back, defending freedom and free speech. I am a libertarian which doesn’t make me a soft touch. For someone as articulate as you claim to be, you have a very poor understanding of fascism, I am assuming you refer to Germany? Nazi means National Socialism (the clue is in the title)! There is very little difference between the evils of Nazism and Communism, both share the trait of brooking no free speech amongst many other evils and use authoritarian methods to achieve absolute power. Where they differ is in number of victims. Communism is responsible for many more tens of millions being killed in comparison to Fascism. I hope this explanation is lucid and erudite enough for you![/p][/quote]Can we all go for a IQ test together please. Rogeruk seems to think we all have a low IQ. I'm interested to see if he is right, I'm quite confident of doing well. I did get up to my 10 times table at school and once got the conundrum on countdown within 10 seconds. Also, Roger, on a more serious note you seem to have a problem with peoples right to vote on here. Readers of the comments section are presented with 3 options upon reading others comments; to agree, to abstain or to disagree. Yet when multiple people choose the same option they are labelled as Sheeple. If you do not accept others opinions or do not accept that they have a right to vote and to express their behaviour, does this not imply that you have dictatorial behaviour characteristics? #justasking #sheeplearmy[/p][/quote]I have no problem in people voting, I am in favour of it! Actually Hitler was voted into power by people of your mentality my view is different to yours! I think giving someone a ‘thumbs up’ of 60 to somebody who calls somebody else a moron and imbecile for expressing his personal opinion is outrageous. I am fully justified in calling 60 posters sheeple if they behave like that, it is intimidating, aggressive bullying and follows communist traits. If you have a problem with that it’s your problem. As long as you and your cohorts behave in this way expect more of the same. My arguments and analogies are related to football, bullying shows its ugly head everywhere as does aggressive behaviour and thuggery which is why there are Yellow and Red cards. If you're OK with this thuggery continuing then I am OK with lambasting you and your fellow sheeple! Can't be clearer than that! rogeruk

12:14pm Sun 5 Jan 14

rogeruk says...

anywayasiwasaying wrote:
Stoney77 wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
SAHornet wrote:
mellow yellow wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
What an aggressive site this is, Nobody can make their heartfelt opinion without being called a Moron or Imbecile. What's wrong with you people? Seems many have issues which should be dealt with far away from a fans site.

Can you not show the minimum of courtesy especially to those who don't post regularly!

Obviously a game to forget, the jury is out on the new coach he needs about three months to mould his team before we can make valid judgements' on Sannino. That said he took on one horrible mess from Zola.

On another note; Watford based on up-to-date attendances have the best attendance record of the Pozzo's clubs.

So far average attendances are:

Watford: 15614
Granada: 15302
Udinese: 11313

It's time to stop calling watford a small club, comparisons with Barcelona or Man U are not relevant but then how many premier clubs in Europe are?

Watford's attendance compares favourably with the average club in the Main Four European premier leagues.

When the new stand is built will regularly draw in 20000 in the premier maybe 25000. In Graham Taylor's golden years in the old Div 1 gates of 27000 were achieved.

Watford if things go well will be the primary Pozzo club.
If I remember correctly, you are the one who introduced the charming term 'sheeple' to this site, and regularly go off piste from a football topic with your anti communistic rants, which are, for your information, actually more correctly fascist observations. There are some on here, roger me ole mucker, who can be lucid and erudite (my favourite Sean Dyche word) without resorting to personal insults. You aren't one of them so to you one of MY favourite words: hypocrite. Have a nice day, now.
Ouch !
Where do I start? How can you be at one time both lucid and erudite and not resorting to personal insults followed by you have a favourite word Hypocrite which you apply to me for expressing my opinion? Can you see our problem in understanding your rather confused state? By accident you have supremely defined hypocrisy using yourself as a perfect example – Brilliant!

Some of the most bigoted people on the planet have lived and continue to live in South Africa, there are so many fascists living there its surprising you cannot see the similarities in both ideologies!

I will not accept you calling me a hypocrite because it is simply not true. You call yourself lucid and erudite but you are anything but! You are confused and single minded! It’s also not a nice trait to compliment yourself in writing with your own perceived qualities.

I own up to introducing the term sheeple because that’s what they are, only this morning someone is called a Moron and Imbecile and he gets about 60 thumbs down. If that’s not sheeple behaviour then what the hell is? Here you are confused and very wrong is misunderstanding or manipulating the argument of calling somebody a racist or fascist only because you cannot elucidate a counter argument. This has been common practice in the UK under New Labour and in the US under the Democrats, e.g. if you criticize Obama for anything Democrats call you a racist! New Labour killed free speech in the UK where we now resort to putting people in prison for making non PC comments on a tram. This is dangerous territory and I for one am doing everything I can to fight it!

Sheeple behaviour is tribe or gang orientated usually appealing to low IQ persons who are low on self-esteem and feel empowered in numbers. Their employ colloquial language like, Plonker and mental and so on to insult people, or alternatively to curb free speech or bully people for having an alternative opinion, which demonstrates individuality and the very opposite of sheeple culture where the power comes from the crowd or safety in numbers! This is common behaviour here where people gang up against individuals. You apparently endorse this behaviour!

Obviously a gang or a crowd of like-minded low IQ people cannot accept individual opinions because that threatens the very ethos of the tribe or gang! Using words like communism, proletariat or sans culottes is an analogy to describe such behaviour what’s wrong with that? How bright are you in not understanding the use of an analogy with your confusion of thinking I am discussing communism?

I am not a hypocrite and I am not sure if you understand what hypocrisy is? You have employed the term to me but not thinking it through! When I use the word sheeple or chav it is used in retaliation but not originated by me which is massively different and why I cannot be a hypocrite. I am retaliating against abuse, I never initiated it and that is paramount! I will fight back, defending freedom and free speech. I am a libertarian which doesn’t make me a soft touch.

For someone as articulate as you claim to be, you have a very poor understanding of fascism, I am assuming you refer to Germany? Nazi means National Socialism (the clue is in the title)! There is very little difference between the evils of Nazism and Communism, both share the trait of brooking no free speech amongst many other evils and use authoritarian methods to achieve absolute power. Where they differ is in number of victims. Communism is responsible for many more tens of millions being killed in comparison to Fascism. I hope this explanation is lucid and erudite enough for you!
Come on now Roger, there's no time for this, your 4 multinational businesses won't run themselves
Rog, I know you see yourself as a libertarian who believes in free speech and democracy and that you respect the right for people to make their opinions known even if you disagree with what they say. Will you respect my opinion which is to ask you to focus your comments on matters relating to football l​only when posting on this site and find some other way to share your thoughts and beliefs on non football matters. A polite request, no insult and I'm not part of a conspiracy involving the men in grey suits. Would love to have an exchange of views with you Rog but only on football. This site used to be an excellent forum to have your say on the 'Orns without having to put up with all the sideshows and intolerance that is now much in evidence. COYH.
No
[quote][p][bold]anywayasiwasaying[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stoney77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mellow yellow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: What an aggressive site this is, Nobody can make their heartfelt opinion without being called a Moron or Imbecile. What's wrong with you people? Seems many have issues which should be dealt with far away from a fans site. Can you not show the minimum of courtesy especially to those who don't post regularly! Obviously a game to forget, the jury is out on the new coach he needs about three months to mould his team before we can make valid judgements' on Sannino. That said he took on one horrible mess from Zola. On another note; Watford based on up-to-date attendances have the best attendance record of the Pozzo's clubs. So far average attendances are: Watford: 15614 Granada: 15302 Udinese: 11313 It's time to stop calling watford a small club, comparisons with Barcelona or Man U are not relevant but then how many premier clubs in Europe are? Watford's attendance compares favourably with the average club in the Main Four European premier leagues. When the new stand is built will regularly draw in 20000 in the premier maybe 25000. In Graham Taylor's golden years in the old Div 1 gates of 27000 were achieved. Watford if things go well will be the primary Pozzo club.[/p][/quote]If I remember correctly, you are the one who introduced the charming term 'sheeple' to this site, and regularly go off piste from a football topic with your anti communistic rants, which are, for your information, actually more correctly fascist observations. There are some on here, roger me ole mucker, who can be lucid and erudite (my favourite Sean Dyche word) without resorting to personal insults. You aren't one of them so to you one of MY favourite words: hypocrite. Have a nice day, now.[/p][/quote]Ouch ![/p][/quote]Where do I start? How can you be at one time both lucid and erudite and not resorting to personal insults followed by you have a favourite word Hypocrite which you apply to me for expressing my opinion? Can you see our problem in understanding your rather confused state? By accident you have supremely defined hypocrisy using yourself as a perfect example – Brilliant! Some of the most bigoted people on the planet have lived and continue to live in South Africa, there are so many fascists living there its surprising you cannot see the similarities in both ideologies! I will not accept you calling me a hypocrite because it is simply not true. You call yourself lucid and erudite but you are anything but! You are confused and single minded! It’s also not a nice trait to compliment yourself in writing with your own perceived qualities. I own up to introducing the term sheeple because that’s what they are, only this morning someone is called a Moron and Imbecile and he gets about 60 thumbs down. If that’s not sheeple behaviour then what the hell is? Here you are confused and very wrong is misunderstanding or manipulating the argument of calling somebody a racist or fascist only because you cannot elucidate a counter argument. This has been common practice in the UK under New Labour and in the US under the Democrats, e.g. if you criticize Obama for anything Democrats call you a racist! New Labour killed free speech in the UK where we now resort to putting people in prison for making non PC comments on a tram. This is dangerous territory and I for one am doing everything I can to fight it! Sheeple behaviour is tribe or gang orientated usually appealing to low IQ persons who are low on self-esteem and feel empowered in numbers. Their employ colloquial language like, Plonker and mental and so on to insult people, or alternatively to curb free speech or bully people for having an alternative opinion, which demonstrates individuality and the very opposite of sheeple culture where the power comes from the crowd or safety in numbers! This is common behaviour here where people gang up against individuals. You apparently endorse this behaviour! Obviously a gang or a crowd of like-minded low IQ people cannot accept individual opinions because that threatens the very ethos of the tribe or gang! Using words like communism, proletariat or sans culottes is an analogy to describe such behaviour what’s wrong with that? How bright are you in not understanding the use of an analogy with your confusion of thinking I am discussing communism? I am not a hypocrite and I am not sure if you understand what hypocrisy is? You have employed the term to me but not thinking it through! When I use the word sheeple or chav it is used in retaliation but not originated by me which is massively different and why I cannot be a hypocrite. I am retaliating against abuse, I never initiated it and that is paramount! I will fight back, defending freedom and free speech. I am a libertarian which doesn’t make me a soft touch. For someone as articulate as you claim to be, you have a very poor understanding of fascism, I am assuming you refer to Germany? Nazi means National Socialism (the clue is in the title)! There is very little difference between the evils of Nazism and Communism, both share the trait of brooking no free speech amongst many other evils and use authoritarian methods to achieve absolute power. Where they differ is in number of victims. Communism is responsible for many more tens of millions being killed in comparison to Fascism. I hope this explanation is lucid and erudite enough for you![/p][/quote]Come on now Roger, there's no time for this, your 4 multinational businesses won't run themselves[/p][/quote]Rog, I know you see yourself as a libertarian who believes in free speech and democracy and that you respect the right for people to make their opinions known even if you disagree with what they say. Will you respect my opinion which is to ask you to focus your comments on matters relating to football l​only when posting on this site and find some other way to share your thoughts and beliefs on non football matters. A polite request, no insult and I'm not part of a conspiracy involving the men in grey suits. Would love to have an exchange of views with you Rog but only on football. This site used to be an excellent forum to have your say on the 'Orns without having to put up with all the sideshows and intolerance that is now much in evidence. COYH.[/p][/quote]No rogeruk

12:20pm Sun 5 Jan 14

rogeruk says...

Bogside Come Back wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
SAHornet wrote:
mellow yellow wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
What an aggressive site this is, Nobody can make their heartfelt opinion without being called a Moron or Imbecile. What's wrong with you people? Seems many have issues which should be dealt with far away from a fans site.

Can you not show the minimum of courtesy especially to those who don't post regularly!

Obviously a game to forget, the jury is out on the new coach he needs about three months to mould his team before we can make valid judgements' on Sannino. That said he took on one horrible mess from Zola.

On another note; Watford based on up-to-date attendances have the best attendance record of the Pozzo's clubs.

So far average attendances are:

Watford: 15614
Granada: 15302
Udinese: 11313

It's time to stop calling watford a small club, comparisons with Barcelona or Man U are not relevant but then how many premier clubs in Europe are?

Watford's attendance compares favourably with the average club in the Main Four European premier leagues.

When the new stand is built will regularly draw in 20000 in the premier maybe 25000. In Graham Taylor's golden years in the old Div 1 gates of 27000 were achieved.

Watford if things go well will be the primary Pozzo club.
If I remember correctly, you are the one who introduced the charming term 'sheeple' to this site, and regularly go off piste from a football topic with your anti communistic rants, which are, for your information, actually more correctly fascist observations. There are some on here, roger me ole mucker, who can be lucid and erudite (my favourite Sean Dyche word) without resorting to personal insults. You aren't one of them so to you one of MY favourite words: hypocrite. Have a nice day, now.
Ouch !
Where do I start? How can you be at one time both lucid and erudite and not resorting to personal insults followed by you have a favourite word Hypocrite which you apply to me for expressing my opinion? Can you see our problem in understanding your rather confused state? By accident you have supremely defined hypocrisy using yourself as a perfect example – Brilliant!

Some of the most bigoted people on the planet have lived and continue to live in South Africa, there are so many fascists living there its surprising you cannot see the similarities in both ideologies!

I will not accept you calling me a hypocrite because it is simply not true. You call yourself lucid and erudite but you are anything but! You are confused and single minded! It’s also not a nice trait to compliment yourself in writing with your own perceived qualities.

I own up to introducing the term sheeple because that’s what they are, only this morning someone is called a Moron and Imbecile and he gets about 60 thumbs down. If that’s not sheeple behaviour then what the hell is? Here you are confused and very wrong is misunderstanding or manipulating the argument of calling somebody a racist or fascist only because you cannot elucidate a counter argument. This has been common practice in the UK under New Labour and in the US under the Democrats, e.g. if you criticize Obama for anything Democrats call you a racist! New Labour killed free speech in the UK where we now resort to putting people in prison for making non PC comments on a tram. This is dangerous territory and I for one am doing everything I can to fight it!

Sheeple behaviour is tribe or gang orientated usually appealing to low IQ persons who are low on self-esteem and feel empowered in numbers. Their employ colloquial language like, Plonker and mental and so on to insult people, or alternatively to curb free speech or bully people for having an alternative opinion, which demonstrates individuality and the very opposite of sheeple culture where the power comes from the crowd or safety in numbers! This is common behaviour here where people gang up against individuals. You apparently endorse this behaviour!

Obviously a gang or a crowd of like-minded low IQ people cannot accept individual opinions because that threatens the very ethos of the tribe or gang! Using words like communism, proletariat or sans culottes is an analogy to describe such behaviour what’s wrong with that? How bright are you in not understanding the use of an analogy with your confusion of thinking I am discussing communism?

I am not a hypocrite and I am not sure if you understand what hypocrisy is? You have employed the term to me but not thinking it through! When I use the word sheeple or chav it is used in retaliation but not originated by me which is massively different and why I cannot be a hypocrite. I am retaliating against abuse, I never initiated it and that is paramount! I will fight back, defending freedom and free speech. I am a libertarian which doesn’t make me a soft touch.

For someone as articulate as you claim to be, you have a very poor understanding of fascism, I am assuming you refer to Germany? Nazi means National Socialism (the clue is in the title)! There is very little difference between the evils of Nazism and Communism, both share the trait of brooking no free speech amongst many other evils and use authoritarian methods to achieve absolute power. Where they differ is in number of victims. Communism is responsible for many more tens of millions being killed in comparison to Fascism. I hope this explanation is lucid and erudite enough for you!
Do you get out much
Yes I have been to every continent on the planet travveled to over 70 countries and lived and worked in six countries, is that getting out enough for you?

These days I spend a bit more time watching football and fighting tyranny wherever that may be!

How about you? Where do you get out to?
[quote][p][bold]Bogside Come Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mellow yellow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: What an aggressive site this is, Nobody can make their heartfelt opinion without being called a Moron or Imbecile. What's wrong with you people? Seems many have issues which should be dealt with far away from a fans site. Can you not show the minimum of courtesy especially to those who don't post regularly! Obviously a game to forget, the jury is out on the new coach he needs about three months to mould his team before we can make valid judgements' on Sannino. That said he took on one horrible mess from Zola. On another note; Watford based on up-to-date attendances have the best attendance record of the Pozzo's clubs. So far average attendances are: Watford: 15614 Granada: 15302 Udinese: 11313 It's time to stop calling watford a small club, comparisons with Barcelona or Man U are not relevant but then how many premier clubs in Europe are? Watford's attendance compares favourably with the average club in the Main Four European premier leagues. When the new stand is built will regularly draw in 20000 in the premier maybe 25000. In Graham Taylor's golden years in the old Div 1 gates of 27000 were achieved. Watford if things go well will be the primary Pozzo club.[/p][/quote]If I remember correctly, you are the one who introduced the charming term 'sheeple' to this site, and regularly go off piste from a football topic with your anti communistic rants, which are, for your information, actually more correctly fascist observations. There are some on here, roger me ole mucker, who can be lucid and erudite (my favourite Sean Dyche word) without resorting to personal insults. You aren't one of them so to you one of MY favourite words: hypocrite. Have a nice day, now.[/p][/quote]Ouch ![/p][/quote]Where do I start? How can you be at one time both lucid and erudite and not resorting to personal insults followed by you have a favourite word Hypocrite which you apply to me for expressing my opinion? Can you see our problem in understanding your rather confused state? By accident you have supremely defined hypocrisy using yourself as a perfect example – Brilliant! Some of the most bigoted people on the planet have lived and continue to live in South Africa, there are so many fascists living there its surprising you cannot see the similarities in both ideologies! I will not accept you calling me a hypocrite because it is simply not true. You call yourself lucid and erudite but you are anything but! You are confused and single minded! It’s also not a nice trait to compliment yourself in writing with your own perceived qualities. I own up to introducing the term sheeple because that’s what they are, only this morning someone is called a Moron and Imbecile and he gets about 60 thumbs down. If that’s not sheeple behaviour then what the hell is? Here you are confused and very wrong is misunderstanding or manipulating the argument of calling somebody a racist or fascist only because you cannot elucidate a counter argument. This has been common practice in the UK under New Labour and in the US under the Democrats, e.g. if you criticize Obama for anything Democrats call you a racist! New Labour killed free speech in the UK where we now resort to putting people in prison for making non PC comments on a tram. This is dangerous territory and I for one am doing everything I can to fight it! Sheeple behaviour is tribe or gang orientated usually appealing to low IQ persons who are low on self-esteem and feel empowered in numbers. Their employ colloquial language like, Plonker and mental and so on to insult people, or alternatively to curb free speech or bully people for having an alternative opinion, which demonstrates individuality and the very opposite of sheeple culture where the power comes from the crowd or safety in numbers! This is common behaviour here where people gang up against individuals. You apparently endorse this behaviour! Obviously a gang or a crowd of like-minded low IQ people cannot accept individual opinions because that threatens the very ethos of the tribe or gang! Using words like communism, proletariat or sans culottes is an analogy to describe such behaviour what’s wrong with that? How bright are you in not understanding the use of an analogy with your confusion of thinking I am discussing communism? I am not a hypocrite and I am not sure if you understand what hypocrisy is? You have employed the term to me but not thinking it through! When I use the word sheeple or chav it is used in retaliation but not originated by me which is massively different and why I cannot be a hypocrite. I am retaliating against abuse, I never initiated it and that is paramount! I will fight back, defending freedom and free speech. I am a libertarian which doesn’t make me a soft touch. For someone as articulate as you claim to be, you have a very poor understanding of fascism, I am assuming you refer to Germany? Nazi means National Socialism (the clue is in the title)! There is very little difference between the evils of Nazism and Communism, both share the trait of brooking no free speech amongst many other evils and use authoritarian methods to achieve absolute power. Where they differ is in number of victims. Communism is responsible for many more tens of millions being killed in comparison to Fascism. I hope this explanation is lucid and erudite enough for you![/p][/quote]Do you get out much[/p][/quote]Yes I have been to every continent on the planet travveled to over 70 countries and lived and worked in six countries, is that getting out enough for you? These days I spend a bit more time watching football and fighting tyranny wherever that may be! How about you? Where do you get out to? rogeruk

12:25pm Sun 5 Jan 14

GrahamTaylor says...

can we ave our football site back please its totally pointless posts like the majority of this thread that have got other forums closed in the past.
can we ave our football site back please its totally pointless posts like the majority of this thread that have got other forums closed in the past. GrahamTaylor

12:27pm Sun 5 Jan 14

rogeruk says...

GrahamTaylor wrote:
Lot of crap rubbish posted here about Zola and his ‘recent bad luck’ due to loss of injuries to key players, injuries and player turnover are part of the game. I say this team has been poor since February last season. Here are some facts for you all i.e not opinions or views.

Since Feb under Zola P36 W11 L14 D11 = PTS 46 That is relegation form right there with arguably the best what squad in the history of the club and why he should have been sacked (not resigned) IMO. Fail to see haw that is enjoyable football. Sure we have been able to watch good players play badly during that time but sadly that is not enough.

Football is all about results unfortunately, it’s not Ice skating you do not get bonus point for artistic impression! Nobody booed Boothroyd when we battered Leeds with direct football in Cardiff, his style only became an issue when we started losing. Zola’s style and personality bought him more time than we would have otherwise afforded him but ultimately it is a results business and losing games cost him his job.

The reason for his failure was summarised in this paper previously. Less than one hour a week on tactics and a day off 2 days before a game…… Ever wondered why we did not have an answer to our opponents tactics or threw away late leads…….
Whats more Zola told us; many times, his squad was bigger and better than the previous season, and he had the whole close season to knit them altogther.

He has no excuses! never heard him complain about his squad and the managment said he had ultimate control on every player coming to watford!

I cannot remember a more humilating time in Watford's histpory than losing at home to bottom of the table recently arrived from the Conference Yeovil Town 0-3! The players should have been fined a month's wages! Zola apparently was to nice instead he gave them extra days off for their effort against Yeovil!

You know what would be good, if a few Zola God loving fans on here would put their hands up and admit they got it wrong! Thats what real men would do!
[quote][p][bold]GrahamTaylor[/bold] wrote: Lot of crap rubbish posted here about Zola and his ‘recent bad luck’ due to loss of injuries to key players, injuries and player turnover are part of the game. I say this team has been poor since February last season. Here are some facts for you all i.e not opinions or views. Since Feb under Zola P36 W11 L14 D11 = PTS 46 That is relegation form right there with arguably the best what squad in the history of the club and why he should have been sacked (not resigned) IMO. Fail to see haw that is enjoyable football. Sure we have been able to watch good players play badly during that time but sadly that is not enough. Football is all about results unfortunately, it’s not Ice skating you do not get bonus point for artistic impression! Nobody booed Boothroyd when we battered Leeds with direct football in Cardiff, his style only became an issue when we started losing. Zola’s style and personality bought him more time than we would have otherwise afforded him but ultimately it is a results business and losing games cost him his job. The reason for his failure was summarised in this paper previously. Less than one hour a week on tactics and a day off 2 days before a game…… Ever wondered why we did not have an answer to our opponents tactics or threw away late leads…….[/p][/quote]Whats more Zola told us; many times, his squad was bigger and better than the previous season, and he had the whole close season to knit them altogther. He has no excuses! never heard him complain about his squad and the managment said he had ultimate control on every player coming to watford! I cannot remember a more humilating time in Watford's histpory than losing at home to bottom of the table recently arrived from the Conference Yeovil Town 0-3! The players should have been fined a month's wages! Zola apparently was to nice instead he gave them extra days off for their effort against Yeovil! You know what would be good, if a few Zola God loving fans on here would put their hands up and admit they got it wrong! Thats what real men would do! rogeruk

12:48pm Sun 5 Jan 14

Dickums says...

GrahamTaylor wrote:
can we ave our football site back please its totally pointless posts like the majority of this thread that have got other forums closed in the past.
At last a dose of sense.
For a variety of reasons after supporting Watford for 60 years I no longer am able to go to games and use this site to find out whats going on. This site seems to be mainly about intolerence of others views and now pontificating about the pros and cons of communism and fascism.
Just to show I can be petty as well ,before I retired I worked in 17 countries but what thats got ot do with Watford FC performances I don`t know..
[quote][p][bold]GrahamTaylor[/bold] wrote: can we ave our football site back please its totally pointless posts like the majority of this thread that have got other forums closed in the past.[/p][/quote]At last a dose of sense. For a variety of reasons after supporting Watford for 60 years I no longer am able to go to games and use this site to find out whats going on. This site seems to be mainly about intolerence of others views and now pontificating about the pros and cons of communism and fascism. Just to show I can be petty as well ,before I retired I worked in 17 countries but what thats got ot do with Watford FC performances I don`t know.. Dickums

12:53pm Sun 5 Jan 14

SAHornet says...

rogeruk wrote:
GrahamTaylor wrote:
Lot of crap rubbish posted here about Zola and his ‘recent bad luck’ due to loss of injuries to key players, injuries and player turnover are part of the game. I say this team has been poor since February last season. Here are some facts for you all i.e not opinions or views.

Since Feb under Zola P36 W11 L14 D11 = PTS 46 That is relegation form right there with arguably the best what squad in the history of the club and why he should have been sacked (not resigned) IMO. Fail to see haw that is enjoyable football. Sure we have been able to watch good players play badly during that time but sadly that is not enough.

Football is all about results unfortunately, it’s not Ice skating you do not get bonus point for artistic impression! Nobody booed Boothroyd when we battered Leeds with direct football in Cardiff, his style only became an issue when we started losing. Zola’s style and personality bought him more time than we would have otherwise afforded him but ultimately it is a results business and losing games cost him his job.

The reason for his failure was summarised in this paper previously. Less than one hour a week on tactics and a day off 2 days before a game…… Ever wondered why we did not have an answer to our opponents tactics or threw away late leads…….
Whats more Zola told us; many times, his squad was bigger and better than the previous season, and he had the whole close season to knit them altogther.

He has no excuses! never heard him complain about his squad and the managment said he had ultimate control on every player coming to watford!

I cannot remember a more humilating time in Watford's histpory than losing at home to bottom of the table recently arrived from the Conference Yeovil Town 0-3! The players should have been fined a month's wages! Zola apparently was to nice instead he gave them extra days off for their effort against Yeovil!

You know what would be good, if a few Zola God loving fans on here would put their hands up and admit they got it wrong! Thats what real men would do!
roger, first of all, I admit that I may have got it wrong regarding GZ. I was and still am a fan of his but in this regard, I think he did indeed lose his way and would have hugely benefited from a MacKay/Dyche-like No. 2 to help with his understanding of a good defence. Time will tell, but I may well have got this wrong and hope that Sannino does well for us.

Secondly, please go to the top of your post. It seems to me that you may well have been aiming your tirade at me as you make reference to South Africa a couple of times but if you look closely, you will see that I merely posted the single word, "Ouch" to mellow yellow's post.
[quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GrahamTaylor[/bold] wrote: Lot of crap rubbish posted here about Zola and his ‘recent bad luck’ due to loss of injuries to key players, injuries and player turnover are part of the game. I say this team has been poor since February last season. Here are some facts for you all i.e not opinions or views. Since Feb under Zola P36 W11 L14 D11 = PTS 46 That is relegation form right there with arguably the best what squad in the history of the club and why he should have been sacked (not resigned) IMO. Fail to see haw that is enjoyable football. Sure we have been able to watch good players play badly during that time but sadly that is not enough. Football is all about results unfortunately, it’s not Ice skating you do not get bonus point for artistic impression! Nobody booed Boothroyd when we battered Leeds with direct football in Cardiff, his style only became an issue when we started losing. Zola’s style and personality bought him more time than we would have otherwise afforded him but ultimately it is a results business and losing games cost him his job. The reason for his failure was summarised in this paper previously. Less than one hour a week on tactics and a day off 2 days before a game…… Ever wondered why we did not have an answer to our opponents tactics or threw away late leads…….[/p][/quote]Whats more Zola told us; many times, his squad was bigger and better than the previous season, and he had the whole close season to knit them altogther. He has no excuses! never heard him complain about his squad and the managment said he had ultimate control on every player coming to watford! I cannot remember a more humilating time in Watford's histpory than losing at home to bottom of the table recently arrived from the Conference Yeovil Town 0-3! The players should have been fined a month's wages! Zola apparently was to nice instead he gave them extra days off for their effort against Yeovil! You know what would be good, if a few Zola God loving fans on here would put their hands up and admit they got it wrong! Thats what real men would do![/p][/quote]roger, first of all, I admit that I may have got it wrong regarding GZ. I was and still am a fan of his but in this regard, I think he did indeed lose his way and would have hugely benefited from a MacKay/Dyche-like No. 2 to help with his understanding of a good defence. Time will tell, but I may well have got this wrong and hope that Sannino does well for us. Secondly, please go to the top of your post. It seems to me that you may well have been aiming your tirade at me as you make reference to South Africa a couple of times but if you look closely, you will see that I merely posted the single word, "Ouch" to mellow yellow's post. SAHornet

12:55pm Sun 5 Jan 14

mellow yellow says...

rogeruk wrote:
Stoney77 wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
SAHornet wrote:
mellow yellow wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
What an aggressive site this is, Nobody can make their heartfelt opinion without being called a Moron or Imbecile. What's wrong with you people? Seems many have issues which should be dealt with far away from a fans site.

Can you not show the minimum of courtesy especially to those who don't post regularly!

Obviously a game to forget, the jury is out on the new coach he needs about three months to mould his team before we can make valid judgements' on Sannino. That said he took on one horrible mess from Zola.

On another note; Watford based on up-to-date attendances have the best attendance record of the Pozzo's clubs.

So far average attendances are:

Watford: 15614
Granada: 15302
Udinese: 11313

It's time to stop calling watford a small club, comparisons with Barcelona or Man U are not relevant but then how many premier clubs in Europe are?

Watford's attendance compares favourably with the average club in the Main Four European premier leagues.

When the new stand is built will regularly draw in 20000 in the premier maybe 25000. In Graham Taylor's golden years in the old Div 1 gates of 27000 were achieved.

Watford if things go well will be the primary Pozzo club.
If I remember correctly, you are the one who introduced the charming term 'sheeple' to this site, and regularly go off piste from a football topic with your anti communistic rants, which are, for your information, actually more correctly fascist observations. There are some on here, roger me ole mucker, who can be lucid and erudite (my favourite Sean Dyche word) without resorting to personal insults. You aren't one of them so to you one of MY favourite words: hypocrite. Have a nice day, now.
Ouch !
Where do I start? How can you be at one time both lucid and erudite and not resorting to personal insults followed by you have a favourite word Hypocrite which you apply to me for expressing my opinion? Can you see our problem in understanding your rather confused state? By accident you have supremely defined hypocrisy using yourself as a perfect example – Brilliant!

Some of the most bigoted people on the planet have lived and continue to live in South Africa, there are so many fascists living there its surprising you cannot see the similarities in both ideologies!

I will not accept you calling me a hypocrite because it is simply not true. You call yourself lucid and erudite but you are anything but! You are confused and single minded! It’s also not a nice trait to compliment yourself in writing with your own perceived qualities.

I own up to introducing the term sheeple because that’s what they are, only this morning someone is called a Moron and Imbecile and he gets about 60 thumbs down. If that’s not sheeple behaviour then what the hell is? Here you are confused and very wrong is misunderstanding or manipulating the argument of calling somebody a racist or fascist only because you cannot elucidate a counter argument. This has been common practice in the UK under New Labour and in the US under the Democrats, e.g. if you criticize Obama for anything Democrats call you a racist! New Labour killed free speech in the UK where we now resort to putting people in prison for making non PC comments on a tram. This is dangerous territory and I for one am doing everything I can to fight it!

Sheeple behaviour is tribe or gang orientated usually appealing to low IQ persons who are low on self-esteem and feel empowered in numbers. Their employ colloquial language like, Plonker and mental and so on to insult people, or alternatively to curb free speech or bully people for having an alternative opinion, which demonstrates individuality and the very opposite of sheeple culture where the power comes from the crowd or safety in numbers! This is common behaviour here where people gang up against individuals. You apparently endorse this behaviour!

Obviously a gang or a crowd of like-minded low IQ people cannot accept individual opinions because that threatens the very ethos of the tribe or gang! Using words like communism, proletariat or sans culottes is an analogy to describe such behaviour what’s wrong with that? How bright are you in not understanding the use of an analogy with your confusion of thinking I am discussing communism?

I am not a hypocrite and I am not sure if you understand what hypocrisy is? You have employed the term to me but not thinking it through! When I use the word sheeple or chav it is used in retaliation but not originated by me which is massively different and why I cannot be a hypocrite. I am retaliating against abuse, I never initiated it and that is paramount! I will fight back, defending freedom and free speech. I am a libertarian which doesn’t make me a soft touch.

For someone as articulate as you claim to be, you have a very poor understanding of fascism, I am assuming you refer to Germany? Nazi means National Socialism (the clue is in the title)! There is very little difference between the evils of Nazism and Communism, both share the trait of brooking no free speech amongst many other evils and use authoritarian methods to achieve absolute power. Where they differ is in number of victims. Communism is responsible for many more tens of millions being killed in comparison to Fascism. I hope this explanation is lucid and erudite enough for you!
Can we all go for a IQ test together please. Rogeruk seems to think we all have a low IQ. I'm interested to see if he is right, I'm quite confident of doing well. I did get up to my 10 times table at school and once got the conundrum on countdown within 10 seconds.

Also, Roger, on a more serious note you seem to have a problem with peoples right to vote on here. Readers of the comments section are presented with 3 options upon reading others comments; to agree, to abstain or to disagree. Yet when multiple people choose the same option they are labelled as Sheeple. If you do not accept others opinions or do not accept that they have a right to vote and to express their behaviour, does this not imply that you have dictatorial behaviour characteristics?

#justasking

#sheeplearmy
I have no problem in people voting, I am in favour of it! Actually Hitler was voted into power by people of your mentality my view is different to yours!

I think giving someone a ‘thumbs up’ of 60 to somebody who calls somebody else a moron and imbecile for expressing his personal opinion is outrageous.

I am fully justified in calling 60 posters sheeple if they behave like that, it is intimidating, aggressive bullying and follows communist traits. If you have a problem with that it’s your problem. As long as you and your cohorts behave in this way expect more of the same.

My arguments and analogies are related to football, bullying shows its ugly head everywhere as does aggressive behaviour and thuggery which is why there are Yellow and Red cards.

If you're OK with this thuggery continuing then I am OK with lambasting you and your fellow sheeple! Can't be clearer than that!
I was going to stick to football, but I'm unable to ignore your second sentence, as its so laughably ignorant. All sorts of people voted for Hitler, from agrarian farmers to city industrialists who could see his drive and vigour. He also had the benefit of the slickest advertising machine in history, under goebbels. The reality is only 33 percent of the German population ever voted for him.... The same amount that voted for Thatcher, incidentally.

Have you ever thought of Prozac.

As for your paranoid feelings that loads of people on here communicate by text to gang up on people... Hilarious.

So, I will stick to just football. Can you?
[quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stoney77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mellow yellow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: What an aggressive site this is, Nobody can make their heartfelt opinion without being called a Moron or Imbecile. What's wrong with you people? Seems many have issues which should be dealt with far away from a fans site. Can you not show the minimum of courtesy especially to those who don't post regularly! Obviously a game to forget, the jury is out on the new coach he needs about three months to mould his team before we can make valid judgements' on Sannino. That said he took on one horrible mess from Zola. On another note; Watford based on up-to-date attendances have the best attendance record of the Pozzo's clubs. So far average attendances are: Watford: 15614 Granada: 15302 Udinese: 11313 It's time to stop calling watford a small club, comparisons with Barcelona or Man U are not relevant but then how many premier clubs in Europe are? Watford's attendance compares favourably with the average club in the Main Four European premier leagues. When the new stand is built will regularly draw in 20000 in the premier maybe 25000. In Graham Taylor's golden years in the old Div 1 gates of 27000 were achieved. Watford if things go well will be the primary Pozzo club.[/p][/quote]If I remember correctly, you are the one who introduced the charming term 'sheeple' to this site, and regularly go off piste from a football topic with your anti communistic rants, which are, for your information, actually more correctly fascist observations. There are some on here, roger me ole mucker, who can be lucid and erudite (my favourite Sean Dyche word) without resorting to personal insults. You aren't one of them so to you one of MY favourite words: hypocrite. Have a nice day, now.[/p][/quote]Ouch ![/p][/quote]Where do I start? How can you be at one time both lucid and erudite and not resorting to personal insults followed by you have a favourite word Hypocrite which you apply to me for expressing my opinion? Can you see our problem in understanding your rather confused state? By accident you have supremely defined hypocrisy using yourself as a perfect example – Brilliant! Some of the most bigoted people on the planet have lived and continue to live in South Africa, there are so many fascists living there its surprising you cannot see the similarities in both ideologies! I will not accept you calling me a hypocrite because it is simply not true. You call yourself lucid and erudite but you are anything but! You are confused and single minded! It’s also not a nice trait to compliment yourself in writing with your own perceived qualities. I own up to introducing the term sheeple because that’s what they are, only this morning someone is called a Moron and Imbecile and he gets about 60 thumbs down. If that’s not sheeple behaviour then what the hell is? Here you are confused and very wrong is misunderstanding or manipulating the argument of calling somebody a racist or fascist only because you cannot elucidate a counter argument. This has been common practice in the UK under New Labour and in the US under the Democrats, e.g. if you criticize Obama for anything Democrats call you a racist! New Labour killed free speech in the UK where we now resort to putting people in prison for making non PC comments on a tram. This is dangerous territory and I for one am doing everything I can to fight it! Sheeple behaviour is tribe or gang orientated usually appealing to low IQ persons who are low on self-esteem and feel empowered in numbers. Their employ colloquial language like, Plonker and mental and so on to insult people, or alternatively to curb free speech or bully people for having an alternative opinion, which demonstrates individuality and the very opposite of sheeple culture where the power comes from the crowd or safety in numbers! This is common behaviour here where people gang up against individuals. You apparently endorse this behaviour! Obviously a gang or a crowd of like-minded low IQ people cannot accept individual opinions because that threatens the very ethos of the tribe or gang! Using words like communism, proletariat or sans culottes is an analogy to describe such behaviour what’s wrong with that? How bright are you in not understanding the use of an analogy with your confusion of thinking I am discussing communism? I am not a hypocrite and I am not sure if you understand what hypocrisy is? You have employed the term to me but not thinking it through! When I use the word sheeple or chav it is used in retaliation but not originated by me which is massively different and why I cannot be a hypocrite. I am retaliating against abuse, I never initiated it and that is paramount! I will fight back, defending freedom and free speech. I am a libertarian which doesn’t make me a soft touch. For someone as articulate as you claim to be, you have a very poor understanding of fascism, I am assuming you refer to Germany? Nazi means National Socialism (the clue is in the title)! There is very little difference between the evils of Nazism and Communism, both share the trait of brooking no free speech amongst many other evils and use authoritarian methods to achieve absolute power. Where they differ is in number of victims. Communism is responsible for many more tens of millions being killed in comparison to Fascism. I hope this explanation is lucid and erudite enough for you![/p][/quote]Can we all go for a IQ test together please. Rogeruk seems to think we all have a low IQ. I'm interested to see if he is right, I'm quite confident of doing well. I did get up to my 10 times table at school and once got the conundrum on countdown within 10 seconds. Also, Roger, on a more serious note you seem to have a problem with peoples right to vote on here. Readers of the comments section are presented with 3 options upon reading others comments; to agree, to abstain or to disagree. Yet when multiple people choose the same option they are labelled as Sheeple. If you do not accept others opinions or do not accept that they have a right to vote and to express their behaviour, does this not imply that you have dictatorial behaviour characteristics? #justasking #sheeplearmy[/p][/quote]I have no problem in people voting, I am in favour of it! Actually Hitler was voted into power by people of your mentality my view is different to yours! I think giving someone a ‘thumbs up’ of 60 to somebody who calls somebody else a moron and imbecile for expressing his personal opinion is outrageous. I am fully justified in calling 60 posters sheeple if they behave like that, it is intimidating, aggressive bullying and follows communist traits. If you have a problem with that it’s your problem. As long as you and your cohorts behave in this way expect more of the same. My arguments and analogies are related to football, bullying shows its ugly head everywhere as does aggressive behaviour and thuggery which is why there are Yellow and Red cards. If you're OK with this thuggery continuing then I am OK with lambasting you and your fellow sheeple! Can't be clearer than that![/p][/quote]I was going to stick to football, but I'm unable to ignore your second sentence, as its so laughably ignorant. All sorts of people voted for Hitler, from agrarian farmers to city industrialists who could see his drive and vigour. He also had the benefit of the slickest advertising machine in history, under goebbels. The reality is only 33 percent of the German population ever voted for him.... The same amount that voted for Thatcher, incidentally. Have you ever thought of Prozac. As for your paranoid feelings that loads of people on here communicate by text to gang up on people... Hilarious. So, I will stick to just football. Can you? mellow yellow

1:05pm Sun 5 Jan 14

Stoney77 says...

rogeruk wrote:
Stoney77 wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
SAHornet wrote:
mellow yellow wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
What an aggressive site this is, Nobody can make their heartfelt opinion without being called a Moron or Imbecile. What's wrong with you people? Seems many have issues which should be dealt with far away from a fans site.

Can you not show the minimum of courtesy especially to those who don't post regularly!

Obviously a game to forget, the jury is out on the new coach he needs about three months to mould his team before we can make valid judgements' on Sannino. That said he took on one horrible mess from Zola.

On another note; Watford based on up-to-date attendances have the best attendance record of the Pozzo's clubs.

So far average attendances are:

Watford: 15614
Granada: 15302
Udinese: 11313

It's time to stop calling watford a small club, comparisons with Barcelona or Man U are not relevant but then how many premier clubs in Europe are?

Watford's attendance compares favourably with the average club in the Main Four European premier leagues.

When the new stand is built will regularly draw in 20000 in the premier maybe 25000. In Graham Taylor's golden years in the old Div 1 gates of 27000 were achieved.

Watford if things go well will be the primary Pozzo club.
If I remember correctly, you are the one who introduced the charming term 'sheeple' to this site, and regularly go off piste from a football topic with your anti communistic rants, which are, for your information, actually more correctly fascist observations. There are some on here, roger me ole mucker, who can be lucid and erudite (my favourite Sean Dyche word) without resorting to personal insults. You aren't one of them so to you one of MY favourite words: hypocrite. Have a nice day, now.
Ouch !
Where do I start? How can you be at one time both lucid and erudite and not resorting to personal insults followed by you have a favourite word Hypocrite which you apply to me for expressing my opinion? Can you see our problem in understanding your rather confused state? By accident you have supremely defined hypocrisy using yourself as a perfect example – Brilliant!

Some of the most bigoted people on the planet have lived and continue to live in South Africa, there are so many fascists living there its surprising you cannot see the similarities in both ideologies!

I will not accept you calling me a hypocrite because it is simply not true. You call yourself lucid and erudite but you are anything but! You are confused and single minded! It’s also not a nice trait to compliment yourself in writing with your own perceived qualities.

I own up to introducing the term sheeple because that’s what they are, only this morning someone is called a Moron and Imbecile and he gets about 60 thumbs down. If that’s not sheeple behaviour then what the hell is? Here you are confused and very wrong is misunderstanding or manipulating the argument of calling somebody a racist or fascist only because you cannot elucidate a counter argument. This has been common practice in the UK under New Labour and in the US under the Democrats, e.g. if you criticize Obama for anything Democrats call you a racist! New Labour killed free speech in the UK where we now resort to putting people in prison for making non PC comments on a tram. This is dangerous territory and I for one am doing everything I can to fight it!

Sheeple behaviour is tribe or gang orientated usually appealing to low IQ persons who are low on self-esteem and feel empowered in numbers. Their employ colloquial language like, Plonker and mental and so on to insult people, or alternatively to curb free speech or bully people for having an alternative opinion, which demonstrates individuality and the very opposite of sheeple culture where the power comes from the crowd or safety in numbers! This is common behaviour here where people gang up against individuals. You apparently endorse this behaviour!

Obviously a gang or a crowd of like-minded low IQ people cannot accept individual opinions because that threatens the very ethos of the tribe or gang! Using words like communism, proletariat or sans culottes is an analogy to describe such behaviour what’s wrong with that? How bright are you in not understanding the use of an analogy with your confusion of thinking I am discussing communism?

I am not a hypocrite and I am not sure if you understand what hypocrisy is? You have employed the term to me but not thinking it through! When I use the word sheeple or chav it is used in retaliation but not originated by me which is massively different and why I cannot be a hypocrite. I am retaliating against abuse, I never initiated it and that is paramount! I will fight back, defending freedom and free speech. I am a libertarian which doesn’t make me a soft touch.

For someone as articulate as you claim to be, you have a very poor understanding of fascism, I am assuming you refer to Germany? Nazi means National Socialism (the clue is in the title)! There is very little difference between the evils of Nazism and Communism, both share the trait of brooking no free speech amongst many other evils and use authoritarian methods to achieve absolute power. Where they differ is in number of victims. Communism is responsible for many more tens of millions being killed in comparison to Fascism. I hope this explanation is lucid and erudite enough for you!
Can we all go for a IQ test together please. Rogeruk seems to think we all have a low IQ. I'm interested to see if he is right, I'm quite confident of doing well. I did get up to my 10 times table at school and once got the conundrum on countdown within 10 seconds.

Also, Roger, on a more serious note you seem to have a problem with peoples right to vote on here. Readers of the comments section are presented with 3 options upon reading others comments; to agree, to abstain or to disagree. Yet when multiple people choose the same option they are labelled as Sheeple. If you do not accept others opinions or do not accept that they have a right to vote and to express their behaviour, does this not imply that you have dictatorial behaviour characteristics?

#justasking

#sheeplearmy
I have no problem in people voting, I am in favour of it! Actually Hitler was voted into power by people of your mentality my view is different to yours!

I think giving someone a ‘thumbs up’ of 60 to somebody who calls somebody else a moron and imbecile for expressing his personal opinion is outrageous.

I am fully justified in calling 60 posters sheeple if they behave like that, it is intimidating, aggressive bullying and follows communist traits. If you have a problem with that it’s your problem. As long as you and your cohorts behave in this way expect more of the same.

My arguments and analogies are related to football, bullying shows its ugly head everywhere as does aggressive behaviour and thuggery which is why there are Yellow and Red cards.

If you're OK with this thuggery continuing then I am OK with lambasting you and your fellow sheeple! Can't be clearer than that!
Just to re-quote part of your response to me: "Hitler was voted into power by people of your mentality"
So what exactly is my mentality? And please provide evidence/justificati
on of this.
[quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stoney77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mellow yellow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: What an aggressive site this is, Nobody can make their heartfelt opinion without being called a Moron or Imbecile. What's wrong with you people? Seems many have issues which should be dealt with far away from a fans site. Can you not show the minimum of courtesy especially to those who don't post regularly! Obviously a game to forget, the jury is out on the new coach he needs about three months to mould his team before we can make valid judgements' on Sannino. That said he took on one horrible mess from Zola. On another note; Watford based on up-to-date attendances have the best attendance record of the Pozzo's clubs. So far average attendances are: Watford: 15614 Granada: 15302 Udinese: 11313 It's time to stop calling watford a small club, comparisons with Barcelona or Man U are not relevant but then how many premier clubs in Europe are? Watford's attendance compares favourably with the average club in the Main Four European premier leagues. When the new stand is built will regularly draw in 20000 in the premier maybe 25000. In Graham Taylor's golden years in the old Div 1 gates of 27000 were achieved. Watford if things go well will be the primary Pozzo club.[/p][/quote]If I remember correctly, you are the one who introduced the charming term 'sheeple' to this site, and regularly go off piste from a football topic with your anti communistic rants, which are, for your information, actually more correctly fascist observations. There are some on here, roger me ole mucker, who can be lucid and erudite (my favourite Sean Dyche word) without resorting to personal insults. You aren't one of them so to you one of MY favourite words: hypocrite. Have a nice day, now.[/p][/quote]Ouch ![/p][/quote]Where do I start? How can you be at one time both lucid and erudite and not resorting to personal insults followed by you have a favourite word Hypocrite which you apply to me for expressing my opinion? Can you see our problem in understanding your rather confused state? By accident you have supremely defined hypocrisy using yourself as a perfect example – Brilliant! Some of the most bigoted people on the planet have lived and continue to live in South Africa, there are so many fascists living there its surprising you cannot see the similarities in both ideologies! I will not accept you calling me a hypocrite because it is simply not true. You call yourself lucid and erudite but you are anything but! You are confused and single minded! It’s also not a nice trait to compliment yourself in writing with your own perceived qualities. I own up to introducing the term sheeple because that’s what they are, only this morning someone is called a Moron and Imbecile and he gets about 60 thumbs down. If that’s not sheeple behaviour then what the hell is? Here you are confused and very wrong is misunderstanding or manipulating the argument of calling somebody a racist or fascist only because you cannot elucidate a counter argument. This has been common practice in the UK under New Labour and in the US under the Democrats, e.g. if you criticize Obama for anything Democrats call you a racist! New Labour killed free speech in the UK where we now resort to putting people in prison for making non PC comments on a tram. This is dangerous territory and I for one am doing everything I can to fight it! Sheeple behaviour is tribe or gang orientated usually appealing to low IQ persons who are low on self-esteem and feel empowered in numbers. Their employ colloquial language like, Plonker and mental and so on to insult people, or alternatively to curb free speech or bully people for having an alternative opinion, which demonstrates individuality and the very opposite of sheeple culture where the power comes from the crowd or safety in numbers! This is common behaviour here where people gang up against individuals. You apparently endorse this behaviour! Obviously a gang or a crowd of like-minded low IQ people cannot accept individual opinions because that threatens the very ethos of the tribe or gang! Using words like communism, proletariat or sans culottes is an analogy to describe such behaviour what’s wrong with that? How bright are you in not understanding the use of an analogy with your confusion of thinking I am discussing communism? I am not a hypocrite and I am not sure if you understand what hypocrisy is? You have employed the term to me but not thinking it through! When I use the word sheeple or chav it is used in retaliation but not originated by me which is massively different and why I cannot be a hypocrite. I am retaliating against abuse, I never initiated it and that is paramount! I will fight back, defending freedom and free speech. I am a libertarian which doesn’t make me a soft touch. For someone as articulate as you claim to be, you have a very poor understanding of fascism, I am assuming you refer to Germany? Nazi means National Socialism (the clue is in the title)! There is very little difference between the evils of Nazism and Communism, both share the trait of brooking no free speech amongst many other evils and use authoritarian methods to achieve absolute power. Where they differ is in number of victims. Communism is responsible for many more tens of millions being killed in comparison to Fascism. I hope this explanation is lucid and erudite enough for you![/p][/quote]Can we all go for a IQ test together please. Rogeruk seems to think we all have a low IQ. I'm interested to see if he is right, I'm quite confident of doing well. I did get up to my 10 times table at school and once got the conundrum on countdown within 10 seconds. Also, Roger, on a more serious note you seem to have a problem with peoples right to vote on here. Readers of the comments section are presented with 3 options upon reading others comments; to agree, to abstain or to disagree. Yet when multiple people choose the same option they are labelled as Sheeple. If you do not accept others opinions or do not accept that they have a right to vote and to express their behaviour, does this not imply that you have dictatorial behaviour characteristics? #justasking #sheeplearmy[/p][/quote]I have no problem in people voting, I am in favour of it! Actually Hitler was voted into power by people of your mentality my view is different to yours! I think giving someone a ‘thumbs up’ of 60 to somebody who calls somebody else a moron and imbecile for expressing his personal opinion is outrageous. I am fully justified in calling 60 posters sheeple if they behave like that, it is intimidating, aggressive bullying and follows communist traits. If you have a problem with that it’s your problem. As long as you and your cohorts behave in this way expect more of the same. My arguments and analogies are related to football, bullying shows its ugly head everywhere as does aggressive behaviour and thuggery which is why there are Yellow and Red cards. If you're OK with this thuggery continuing then I am OK with lambasting you and your fellow sheeple! Can't be clearer than that![/p][/quote]Just to re-quote part of your response to me: "Hitler was voted into power by people of your mentality" So what exactly is my mentality? And please provide evidence/justificati on of this. Stoney77

1:10pm Sun 5 Jan 14

rogeruk says...

mellow yellow wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
Stoney77 wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
SAHornet wrote:
mellow yellow wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
What an aggressive site this is, Nobody can make their heartfelt opinion without being called a Moron or Imbecile. What's wrong with you people? Seems many have issues which should be dealt with far away from a fans site.

Can you not show the minimum of courtesy especially to those who don't post regularly!

Obviously a game to forget, the jury is out on the new coach he needs about three months to mould his team before we can make valid judgements' on Sannino. That said he took on one horrible mess from Zola.

On another note; Watford based on up-to-date attendances have the best attendance record of the Pozzo's clubs.

So far average attendances are:

Watford: 15614
Granada: 15302
Udinese: 11313

It's time to stop calling watford a small club, comparisons with Barcelona or Man U are not relevant but then how many premier clubs in Europe are?

Watford's attendance compares favourably with the average club in the Main Four European premier leagues.

When the new stand is built will regularly draw in 20000 in the premier maybe 25000. In Graham Taylor's golden years in the old Div 1 gates of 27000 were achieved.

Watford if things go well will be the primary Pozzo club.
If I remember correctly, you are the one who introduced the charming term 'sheeple' to this site, and regularly go off piste from a football topic with your anti communistic rants, which are, for your information, actually more correctly fascist observations. There are some on here, roger me ole mucker, who can be lucid and erudite (my favourite Sean Dyche word) without resorting to personal insults. You aren't one of them so to you one of MY favourite words: hypocrite. Have a nice day, now.
Ouch !
Where do I start? How can you be at one time both lucid and erudite and not resorting to personal insults followed by you have a favourite word Hypocrite which you apply to me for expressing my opinion? Can you see our problem in understanding your rather confused state? By accident you have supremely defined hypocrisy using yourself as a perfect example – Brilliant!

Some of the most bigoted people on the planet have lived and continue to live in South Africa, there are so many fascists living there its surprising you cannot see the similarities in both ideologies!

I will not accept you calling me a hypocrite because it is simply not true. You call yourself lucid and erudite but you are anything but! You are confused and single minded! It’s also not a nice trait to compliment yourself in writing with your own perceived qualities.

I own up to introducing the term sheeple because that’s what they are, only this morning someone is called a Moron and Imbecile and he gets about 60 thumbs down. If that’s not sheeple behaviour then what the hell is? Here you are confused and very wrong is misunderstanding or manipulating the argument of calling somebody a racist or fascist only because you cannot elucidate a counter argument. This has been common practice in the UK under New Labour and in the US under the Democrats, e.g. if you criticize Obama for anything Democrats call you a racist! New Labour killed free speech in the UK where we now resort to putting people in prison for making non PC comments on a tram. This is dangerous territory and I for one am doing everything I can to fight it!

Sheeple behaviour is tribe or gang orientated usually appealing to low IQ persons who are low on self-esteem and feel empowered in numbers. Their employ colloquial language like, Plonker and mental and so on to insult people, or alternatively to curb free speech or bully people for having an alternative opinion, which demonstrates individuality and the very opposite of sheeple culture where the power comes from the crowd or safety in numbers! This is common behaviour here where people gang up against individuals. You apparently endorse this behaviour!

Obviously a gang or a crowd of like-minded low IQ people cannot accept individual opinions because that threatens the very ethos of the tribe or gang! Using words like communism, proletariat or sans culottes is an analogy to describe such behaviour what’s wrong with that? How bright are you in not understanding the use of an analogy with your confusion of thinking I am discussing communism?

I am not a hypocrite and I am not sure if you understand what hypocrisy is? You have employed the term to me but not thinking it through! When I use the word sheeple or chav it is used in retaliation but not originated by me which is massively different and why I cannot be a hypocrite. I am retaliating against abuse, I never initiated it and that is paramount! I will fight back, defending freedom and free speech. I am a libertarian which doesn’t make me a soft touch.

For someone as articulate as you claim to be, you have a very poor understanding of fascism, I am assuming you refer to Germany? Nazi means National Socialism (the clue is in the title)! There is very little difference between the evils of Nazism and Communism, both share the trait of brooking no free speech amongst many other evils and use authoritarian methods to achieve absolute power. Where they differ is in number of victims. Communism is responsible for many more tens of millions being killed in comparison to Fascism. I hope this explanation is lucid and erudite enough for you!
Can we all go for a IQ test together please. Rogeruk seems to think we all have a low IQ. I'm interested to see if he is right, I'm quite confident of doing well. I did get up to my 10 times table at school and once got the conundrum on countdown within 10 seconds.

Also, Roger, on a more serious note you seem to have a problem with peoples right to vote on here. Readers of the comments section are presented with 3 options upon reading others comments; to agree, to abstain or to disagree. Yet when multiple people choose the same option they are labelled as Sheeple. If you do not accept others opinions or do not accept that they have a right to vote and to express their behaviour, does this not imply that you have dictatorial behaviour characteristics?

#justasking

#sheeplearmy
I have no problem in people voting, I am in favour of it! Actually Hitler was voted into power by people of your mentality my view is different to yours!

I think giving someone a ‘thumbs up’ of 60 to somebody who calls somebody else a moron and imbecile for expressing his personal opinion is outrageous.

I am fully justified in calling 60 posters sheeple if they behave like that, it is intimidating, aggressive bullying and follows communist traits. If you have a problem with that it’s your problem. As long as you and your cohorts behave in this way expect more of the same.

My arguments and analogies are related to football, bullying shows its ugly head everywhere as does aggressive behaviour and thuggery which is why there are Yellow and Red cards.

If you're OK with this thuggery continuing then I am OK with lambasting you and your fellow sheeple! Can't be clearer than that!
I was going to stick to football, but I'm unable to ignore your second sentence, as its so laughably ignorant. All sorts of people voted for Hitler, from agrarian farmers to city industrialists who could see his drive and vigour. He also had the benefit of the slickest advertising machine in history, under goebbels. The reality is only 33 percent of the German population ever voted for him.... The same amount that voted for Thatcher, incidentally.

Have you ever thought of Prozac.

As for your paranoid feelings that loads of people on here communicate by text to gang up on people... Hilarious.

So, I will stick to just football. Can you?
OK you still have't got it so lets try this as explained to a 4 year old child.

"60 big bad people who all think the same called 1 big person some naughty names you don't do that, you are 4 years old you know better! "
[quote][p][bold]mellow yellow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stoney77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mellow yellow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: What an aggressive site this is, Nobody can make their heartfelt opinion without being called a Moron or Imbecile. What's wrong with you people? Seems many have issues which should be dealt with far away from a fans site. Can you not show the minimum of courtesy especially to those who don't post regularly! Obviously a game to forget, the jury is out on the new coach he needs about three months to mould his team before we can make valid judgements' on Sannino. That said he took on one horrible mess from Zola. On another note; Watford based on up-to-date attendances have the best attendance record of the Pozzo's clubs. So far average attendances are: Watford: 15614 Granada: 15302 Udinese: 11313 It's time to stop calling watford a small club, comparisons with Barcelona or Man U are not relevant but then how many premier clubs in Europe are? Watford's attendance compares favourably with the average club in the Main Four European premier leagues. When the new stand is built will regularly draw in 20000 in the premier maybe 25000. In Graham Taylor's golden years in the old Div 1 gates of 27000 were achieved. Watford if things go well will be the primary Pozzo club.[/p][/quote]If I remember correctly, you are the one who introduced the charming term 'sheeple' to this site, and regularly go off piste from a football topic with your anti communistic rants, which are, for your information, actually more correctly fascist observations. There are some on here, roger me ole mucker, who can be lucid and erudite (my favourite Sean Dyche word) without resorting to personal insults. You aren't one of them so to you one of MY favourite words: hypocrite. Have a nice day, now.[/p][/quote]Ouch ![/p][/quote]Where do I start? How can you be at one time both lucid and erudite and not resorting to personal insults followed by you have a favourite word Hypocrite which you apply to me for expressing my opinion? Can you see our problem in understanding your rather confused state? By accident you have supremely defined hypocrisy using yourself as a perfect example – Brilliant! Some of the most bigoted people on the planet have lived and continue to live in South Africa, there are so many fascists living there its surprising you cannot see the similarities in both ideologies! I will not accept you calling me a hypocrite because it is simply not true. You call yourself lucid and erudite but you are anything but! You are confused and single minded! It’s also not a nice trait to compliment yourself in writing with your own perceived qualities. I own up to introducing the term sheeple because that’s what they are, only this morning someone is called a Moron and Imbecile and he gets about 60 thumbs down. If that’s not sheeple behaviour then what the hell is? Here you are confused and very wrong is misunderstanding or manipulating the argument of calling somebody a racist or fascist only because you cannot elucidate a counter argument. This has been common practice in the UK under New Labour and in the US under the Democrats, e.g. if you criticize Obama for anything Democrats call you a racist! New Labour killed free speech in the UK where we now resort to putting people in prison for making non PC comments on a tram. This is dangerous territory and I for one am doing everything I can to fight it! Sheeple behaviour is tribe or gang orientated usually appealing to low IQ persons who are low on self-esteem and feel empowered in numbers. Their employ colloquial language like, Plonker and mental and so on to insult people, or alternatively to curb free speech or bully people for having an alternative opinion, which demonstrates individuality and the very opposite of sheeple culture where the power comes from the crowd or safety in numbers! This is common behaviour here where people gang up against individuals. You apparently endorse this behaviour! Obviously a gang or a crowd of like-minded low IQ people cannot accept individual opinions because that threatens the very ethos of the tribe or gang! Using words like communism, proletariat or sans culottes is an analogy to describe such behaviour what’s wrong with that? How bright are you in not understanding the use of an analogy with your confusion of thinking I am discussing communism? I am not a hypocrite and I am not sure if you understand what hypocrisy is? You have employed the term to me but not thinking it through! When I use the word sheeple or chav it is used in retaliation but not originated by me which is massively different and why I cannot be a hypocrite. I am retaliating against abuse, I never initiated it and that is paramount! I will fight back, defending freedom and free speech. I am a libertarian which doesn’t make me a soft touch. For someone as articulate as you claim to be, you have a very poor understanding of fascism, I am assuming you refer to Germany? Nazi means National Socialism (the clue is in the title)! There is very little difference between the evils of Nazism and Communism, both share the trait of brooking no free speech amongst many other evils and use authoritarian methods to achieve absolute power. Where they differ is in number of victims. Communism is responsible for many more tens of millions being killed in comparison to Fascism. I hope this explanation is lucid and erudite enough for you![/p][/quote]Can we all go for a IQ test together please. Rogeruk seems to think we all have a low IQ. I'm interested to see if he is right, I'm quite confident of doing well. I did get up to my 10 times table at school and once got the conundrum on countdown within 10 seconds. Also, Roger, on a more serious note you seem to have a problem with peoples right to vote on here. Readers of the comments section are presented with 3 options upon reading others comments; to agree, to abstain or to disagree. Yet when multiple people choose the same option they are labelled as Sheeple. If you do not accept others opinions or do not accept that they have a right to vote and to express their behaviour, does this not imply that you have dictatorial behaviour characteristics? #justasking #sheeplearmy[/p][/quote]I have no problem in people voting, I am in favour of it! Actually Hitler was voted into power by people of your mentality my view is different to yours! I think giving someone a ‘thumbs up’ of 60 to somebody who calls somebody else a moron and imbecile for expressing his personal opinion is outrageous. I am fully justified in calling 60 posters sheeple if they behave like that, it is intimidating, aggressive bullying and follows communist traits. If you have a problem with that it’s your problem. As long as you and your cohorts behave in this way expect more of the same. My arguments and analogies are related to football, bullying shows its ugly head everywhere as does aggressive behaviour and thuggery which is why there are Yellow and Red cards. If you're OK with this thuggery continuing then I am OK with lambasting you and your fellow sheeple! Can't be clearer than that![/p][/quote]I was going to stick to football, but I'm unable to ignore your second sentence, as its so laughably ignorant. All sorts of people voted for Hitler, from agrarian farmers to city industrialists who could see his drive and vigour. He also had the benefit of the slickest advertising machine in history, under goebbels. The reality is only 33 percent of the German population ever voted for him.... The same amount that voted for Thatcher, incidentally. Have you ever thought of Prozac. As for your paranoid feelings that loads of people on here communicate by text to gang up on people... Hilarious. So, I will stick to just football. Can you?[/p][/quote]OK you still have't got it so lets try this as explained to a 4 year old child. "60 big bad people who all think the same called 1 big person some naughty names you don't do that, you are 4 years old you know better! " rogeruk

1:14pm Sun 5 Jan 14

KeithMercer says...

Roger, oh how intelligent you are, and how worldly and wise you are having lived and worked all over the world, and how powerful and important you are with your multi national business empire. You really are superior in every facet imaginable and whats more I bet you look like Johnny Wilkinson and have the physique of David Haye. You really are the full package and we are all in awe of you.
NOW JOG ON SADDO AND STOP BORING US WITH YOUR WIMPERINGS !!
Roger, oh how intelligent you are, and how worldly and wise you are having lived and worked all over the world, and how powerful and important you are with your multi national business empire. You really are superior in every facet imaginable and whats more I bet you look like Johnny Wilkinson and have the physique of David Haye. You really are the full package and we are all in awe of you. NOW JOG ON SADDO AND STOP BORING US WITH YOUR WIMPERINGS !! KeithMercer

1:24pm Sun 5 Jan 14

exeterhornet says...

Anyway, back to the game. I thought we were pretty good first half and if we had taken the lead before the break, I thought it would have been comfortable. In contrast, I thought the second half was pretty clueless. I know he is isolated but Troy doesn't do himself any favours. I reckon I covered more ground going back and forth to the loo twice than he did in 90 minutes. His body language stinks, and people around me agreed with this. He doesn't seem.a happy happy at all.
Anyway, back to the game. I thought we were pretty good first half and if we had taken the lead before the break, I thought it would have been comfortable. In contrast, I thought the second half was pretty clueless. I know he is isolated but Troy doesn't do himself any favours. I reckon I covered more ground going back and forth to the loo twice than he did in 90 minutes. His body language stinks, and people around me agreed with this. He doesn't seem.a happy happy at all. exeterhornet

1:57pm Sun 5 Jan 14

rogeruk says...

Stoney77 wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
Stoney77 wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
SAHornet wrote:
mellow yellow wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
What an aggressive site this is, Nobody can make their heartfelt opinion without being called a Moron or Imbecile. What's wrong with you people? Seems many have issues which should be dealt with far away from a fans site.

Can you not show the minimum of courtesy especially to those who don't post regularly!

Obviously a game to forget, the jury is out on the new coach he needs about three months to mould his team before we can make valid judgements' on Sannino. That said he took on one horrible mess from Zola.

On another note; Watford based on up-to-date attendances have the best attendance record of the Pozzo's clubs.

So far average attendances are:

Watford: 15614
Granada: 15302
Udinese: 11313

It's time to stop calling watford a small club, comparisons with Barcelona or Man U are not relevant but then how many premier clubs in Europe are?

Watford's attendance compares favourably with the average club in the Main Four European premier leagues.

When the new stand is built will regularly draw in 20000 in the premier maybe 25000. In Graham Taylor's golden years in the old Div 1 gates of 27000 were achieved.

Watford if things go well will be the primary Pozzo club.
If I remember correctly, you are the one who introduced the charming term 'sheeple' to this site, and regularly go off piste from a football topic with your anti communistic rants, which are, for your information, actually more correctly fascist observations. There are some on here, roger me ole mucker, who can be lucid and erudite (my favourite Sean Dyche word) without resorting to personal insults. You aren't one of them so to you one of MY favourite words: hypocrite. Have a nice day, now.
Ouch !
Where do I start? How can you be at one time both lucid and erudite and not resorting to personal insults followed by you have a favourite word Hypocrite which you apply to me for expressing my opinion? Can you see our problem in understanding your rather confused state? By accident you have supremely defined hypocrisy using yourself as a perfect example – Brilliant!

Some of the most bigoted people on the planet have lived and continue to live in South Africa, there are so many fascists living there its surprising you cannot see the similarities in both ideologies!

I will not accept you calling me a hypocrite because it is simply not true. You call yourself lucid and erudite but you are anything but! You are confused and single minded! It’s also not a nice trait to compliment yourself in writing with your own perceived qualities.

I own up to introducing the term sheeple because that’s what they are, only this morning someone is called a Moron and Imbecile and he gets about 60 thumbs down. If that’s not sheeple behaviour then what the hell is? Here you are confused and very wrong is misunderstanding or manipulating the argument of calling somebody a racist or fascist only because you cannot elucidate a counter argument. This has been common practice in the UK under New Labour and in the US under the Democrats, e.g. if you criticize Obama for anything Democrats call you a racist! New Labour killed free speech in the UK where we now resort to putting people in prison for making non PC comments on a tram. This is dangerous territory and I for one am doing everything I can to fight it!

Sheeple behaviour is tribe or gang orientated usually appealing to low IQ persons who are low on self-esteem and feel empowered in numbers. Their employ colloquial language like, Plonker and mental and so on to insult people, or alternatively to curb free speech or bully people for having an alternative opinion, which demonstrates individuality and the very opposite of sheeple culture where the power comes from the crowd or safety in numbers! This is common behaviour here where people gang up against individuals. You apparently endorse this behaviour!

Obviously a gang or a crowd of like-minded low IQ people cannot accept individual opinions because that threatens the very ethos of the tribe or gang! Using words like communism, proletariat or sans culottes is an analogy to describe such behaviour what’s wrong with that? How bright are you in not understanding the use of an analogy with your confusion of thinking I am discussing communism?

I am not a hypocrite and I am not sure if you understand what hypocrisy is? You have employed the term to me but not thinking it through! When I use the word sheeple or chav it is used in retaliation but not originated by me which is massively different and why I cannot be a hypocrite. I am retaliating against abuse, I never initiated it and that is paramount! I will fight back, defending freedom and free speech. I am a libertarian which doesn’t make me a soft touch.

For someone as articulate as you claim to be, you have a very poor understanding of fascism, I am assuming you refer to Germany? Nazi means National Socialism (the clue is in the title)! There is very little difference between the evils of Nazism and Communism, both share the trait of brooking no free speech amongst many other evils and use authoritarian methods to achieve absolute power. Where they differ is in number of victims. Communism is responsible for many more tens of millions being killed in comparison to Fascism. I hope this explanation is lucid and erudite enough for you!
Can we all go for a IQ test together please. Rogeruk seems to think we all have a low IQ. I'm interested to see if he is right, I'm quite confident of doing well. I did get up to my 10 times table at school and once got the conundrum on countdown within 10 seconds.

Also, Roger, on a more serious note you seem to have a problem with peoples right to vote on here. Readers of the comments section are presented with 3 options upon reading others comments; to agree, to abstain or to disagree. Yet when multiple people choose the same option they are labelled as Sheeple. If you do not accept others opinions or do not accept that they have a right to vote and to express their behaviour, does this not imply that you have dictatorial behaviour characteristics?

#justasking

#sheeplearmy
I have no problem in people voting, I am in favour of it! Actually Hitler was voted into power by people of your mentality my view is different to yours!

I think giving someone a ‘thumbs up’ of 60 to somebody who calls somebody else a moron and imbecile for expressing his personal opinion is outrageous.

I am fully justified in calling 60 posters sheeple if they behave like that, it is intimidating, aggressive bullying and follows communist traits. If you have a problem with that it’s your problem. As long as you and your cohorts behave in this way expect more of the same.

My arguments and analogies are related to football, bullying shows its ugly head everywhere as does aggressive behaviour and thuggery which is why there are Yellow and Red cards.

If you're OK with this thuggery continuing then I am OK with lambasting you and your fellow sheeple! Can't be clearer than that!
Just to re-quote part of your response to me: "Hitler was voted into power by people of your mentality"
So what exactly is my mentality? And please provide evidence/justificati

on of this.
Simples; Because 60 people voted in praise of a fellow sheeple person i.e. the sheepler who called a Watford fan a moron and imbecile. His crime; merely stating his own personal and valid opinion about football. This is uncultured outrageous behaviour and completely out of order. The fact 60 of you followed along and commend him for doing it, shows clearly none of you are civilized or cultured and you go beyond the bounds of human decency.

People with exactly the same type of mentality would group together in numbers in Nazi Germany and persecute anyone who criticized Hitler, it started with bullying and asking for papers , as people got more and more scared Hitler and his thugs became more extreme until they gassed 6 million human beings many women and children.

As civilised society becomes more and more brainwashed, violence becomes the norm, computer games with gratuitous violence where gamers kill people with no sense of shame become desensitized to killing and violence, you may think that it an exaggeration but experience and history shows us civilization can only be a veneer, when it crumbles all hell breaks loose, the likes of which you cannot imagine.

People do things without thinking then regret it. After when it’s too late, hey say to themselves why did I do that? If people were to think everything through before doing something they would have a better chance of avoiding costly mistakes. The problem is when an almost entire generation is brainwashed by TV, Pop music and celebrity stalking, ‘X’ factor etc. they stop being a person, an individual with thoughts of their own, programed to do what they are told because they think its ‘cool’!

It’s so easy to go along with the crowd just because there are many of them and they can’t all be wrong can they? Yes they can! People take no responsibility for their own actions just because 60 people kill a person doesn’t make it right! The minority are the bravest they are willing to do anything to protect their freedoms.

Football is a good example of life in general it shares all the emotion, virtues and vices of life, it can be seen in a 90 minute game of football.
Freedom of speech and personal freedoms are precious and we are losing more freedoms every day! One day in the not too distant we will get to the point whereby you will need to be in possession of a Supermarket passport to buy food and water and if you don’t bow down to the dictator government and their thug police you and your family will starve to death. Do you know for instance in the UK 500 people have been killed in police custody in the last ten years and not one policeman has been made accountable?

What’s this got to do with football fans ? Everything. Villains like Murdoch make addictive TV flooding you with football and movies and taking your money, if you want to wise up and really understand what’s going on behind your back, read ‘A Brave new world’, a novel written in 1931 by Aldous Huxley.Set in London of AD 2540. Animal Farm and 1984 by George Orwell and if you can manage it a brilliant book by Aleksandra Solzhenitsyn called Cancer Ward and finally Franz Kafka ‘The Trial’.

I may be wasting my time telling you this but trust me you will be grateful when the Brown ‘stuff’ hits the fan as it surely will. You will learn things of which you have no understanding now. Start with Brave new world. If you don’t like reading there are movies available on the internet for all four books except Cancer Ward. If you go on this track you need an ‘open mind’ there will be stuff you don’t understand at first but if you stick with it will become clearer.

Suggest you start the next time Watford lose and you are in a state of depression like most Watford devotees.
[quote][p][bold]Stoney77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stoney77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mellow yellow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: What an aggressive site this is, Nobody can make their heartfelt opinion without being called a Moron or Imbecile. What's wrong with you people? Seems many have issues which should be dealt with far away from a fans site. Can you not show the minimum of courtesy especially to those who don't post regularly! Obviously a game to forget, the jury is out on the new coach he needs about three months to mould his team before we can make valid judgements' on Sannino. That said he took on one horrible mess from Zola. On another note; Watford based on up-to-date attendances have the best attendance record of the Pozzo's clubs. So far average attendances are: Watford: 15614 Granada: 15302 Udinese: 11313 It's time to stop calling watford a small club, comparisons with Barcelona or Man U are not relevant but then how many premier clubs in Europe are? Watford's attendance compares favourably with the average club in the Main Four European premier leagues. When the new stand is built will regularly draw in 20000 in the premier maybe 25000. In Graham Taylor's golden years in the old Div 1 gates of 27000 were achieved. Watford if things go well will be the primary Pozzo club.[/p][/quote]If I remember correctly, you are the one who introduced the charming term 'sheeple' to this site, and regularly go off piste from a football topic with your anti communistic rants, which are, for your information, actually more correctly fascist observations. There are some on here, roger me ole mucker, who can be lucid and erudite (my favourite Sean Dyche word) without resorting to personal insults. You aren't one of them so to you one of MY favourite words: hypocrite. Have a nice day, now.[/p][/quote]Ouch ![/p][/quote]Where do I start? How can you be at one time both lucid and erudite and not resorting to personal insults followed by you have a favourite word Hypocrite which you apply to me for expressing my opinion? Can you see our problem in understanding your rather confused state? By accident you have supremely defined hypocrisy using yourself as a perfect example – Brilliant! Some of the most bigoted people on the planet have lived and continue to live in South Africa, there are so many fascists living there its surprising you cannot see the similarities in both ideologies! I will not accept you calling me a hypocrite because it is simply not true. You call yourself lucid and erudite but you are anything but! You are confused and single minded! It’s also not a nice trait to compliment yourself in writing with your own perceived qualities. I own up to introducing the term sheeple because that’s what they are, only this morning someone is called a Moron and Imbecile and he gets about 60 thumbs down. If that’s not sheeple behaviour then what the hell is? Here you are confused and very wrong is misunderstanding or manipulating the argument of calling somebody a racist or fascist only because you cannot elucidate a counter argument. This has been common practice in the UK under New Labour and in the US under the Democrats, e.g. if you criticize Obama for anything Democrats call you a racist! New Labour killed free speech in the UK where we now resort to putting people in prison for making non PC comments on a tram. This is dangerous territory and I for one am doing everything I can to fight it! Sheeple behaviour is tribe or gang orientated usually appealing to low IQ persons who are low on self-esteem and feel empowered in numbers. Their employ colloquial language like, Plonker and mental and so on to insult people, or alternatively to curb free speech or bully people for having an alternative opinion, which demonstrates individuality and the very opposite of sheeple culture where the power comes from the crowd or safety in numbers! This is common behaviour here where people gang up against individuals. You apparently endorse this behaviour! Obviously a gang or a crowd of like-minded low IQ people cannot accept individual opinions because that threatens the very ethos of the tribe or gang! Using words like communism, proletariat or sans culottes is an analogy to describe such behaviour what’s wrong with that? How bright are you in not understanding the use of an analogy with your confusion of thinking I am discussing communism? I am not a hypocrite and I am not sure if you understand what hypocrisy is? You have employed the term to me but not thinking it through! When I use the word sheeple or chav it is used in retaliation but not originated by me which is massively different and why I cannot be a hypocrite. I am retaliating against abuse, I never initiated it and that is paramount! I will fight back, defending freedom and free speech. I am a libertarian which doesn’t make me a soft touch. For someone as articulate as you claim to be, you have a very poor understanding of fascism, I am assuming you refer to Germany? Nazi means National Socialism (the clue is in the title)! There is very little difference between the evils of Nazism and Communism, both share the trait of brooking no free speech amongst many other evils and use authoritarian methods to achieve absolute power. Where they differ is in number of victims. Communism is responsible for many more tens of millions being killed in comparison to Fascism. I hope this explanation is lucid and erudite enough for you![/p][/quote]Can we all go for a IQ test together please. Rogeruk seems to think we all have a low IQ. I'm interested to see if he is right, I'm quite confident of doing well. I did get up to my 10 times table at school and once got the conundrum on countdown within 10 seconds. Also, Roger, on a more serious note you seem to have a problem with peoples right to vote on here. Readers of the comments section are presented with 3 options upon reading others comments; to agree, to abstain or to disagree. Yet when multiple people choose the same option they are labelled as Sheeple. If you do not accept others opinions or do not accept that they have a right to vote and to express their behaviour, does this not imply that you have dictatorial behaviour characteristics? #justasking #sheeplearmy[/p][/quote]I have no problem in people voting, I am in favour of it! Actually Hitler was voted into power by people of your mentality my view is different to yours! I think giving someone a ‘thumbs up’ of 60 to somebody who calls somebody else a moron and imbecile for expressing his personal opinion is outrageous. I am fully justified in calling 60 posters sheeple if they behave like that, it is intimidating, aggressive bullying and follows communist traits. If you have a problem with that it’s your problem. As long as you and your cohorts behave in this way expect more of the same. My arguments and analogies are related to football, bullying shows its ugly head everywhere as does aggressive behaviour and thuggery which is why there are Yellow and Red cards. If you're OK with this thuggery continuing then I am OK with lambasting you and your fellow sheeple! Can't be clearer than that![/p][/quote]Just to re-quote part of your response to me: "Hitler was voted into power by people of your mentality" So what exactly is my mentality? And please provide evidence/justificati on of this.[/p][/quote]Simples; Because 60 people voted in praise of a fellow sheeple person i.e. the sheepler who called a Watford fan a moron and imbecile. His crime; merely stating his own personal and valid opinion about football. This is uncultured outrageous behaviour and completely out of order. The fact 60 of you followed along and commend him for doing it, shows clearly none of you are civilized or cultured and you go beyond the bounds of human decency. People with exactly the same type of mentality would group together in numbers in Nazi Germany and persecute anyone who criticized Hitler, it started with bullying and asking for papers , as people got more and more scared Hitler and his thugs became more extreme until they gassed 6 million human beings many women and children. As civilised society becomes more and more brainwashed, violence becomes the norm, computer games with gratuitous violence where gamers kill people with no sense of shame become desensitized to killing and violence, you may think that it an exaggeration but experience and history shows us civilization can only be a veneer, when it crumbles all hell breaks loose, the likes of which you cannot imagine. People do things without thinking then regret it. After when it’s too late, hey say to themselves why did I do that? If people were to think everything through before doing something they would have a better chance of avoiding costly mistakes. The problem is when an almost entire generation is brainwashed by TV, Pop music and celebrity stalking, ‘X’ factor etc. they stop being a person, an individual with thoughts of their own, programed to do what they are told because they think its ‘cool’! It’s so easy to go along with the crowd just because there are many of them and they can’t all be wrong can they? Yes they can! People take no responsibility for their own actions just because 60 people kill a person doesn’t make it right! The minority are the bravest they are willing to do anything to protect their freedoms. Football is a good example of life in general it shares all the emotion, virtues and vices of life, it can be seen in a 90 minute game of football. Freedom of speech and personal freedoms are precious and we are losing more freedoms every day! One day in the not too distant we will get to the point whereby you will need to be in possession of a Supermarket passport to buy food and water and if you don’t bow down to the dictator government and their thug police you and your family will starve to death. Do you know for instance in the UK 500 people have been killed in police custody in the last ten years and not one policeman has been made accountable? What’s this got to do with football fans ? Everything. Villains like Murdoch make addictive TV flooding you with football and movies and taking your money, if you want to wise up and really understand what’s going on behind your back, read ‘A Brave new world’, a novel written in 1931 by Aldous Huxley.Set in London of AD 2540. Animal Farm and 1984 by George Orwell and if you can manage it a brilliant book by Aleksandra Solzhenitsyn called Cancer Ward and finally Franz Kafka ‘The Trial’. I may be wasting my time telling you this but trust me you will be grateful when the Brown ‘stuff’ hits the fan as it surely will. You will learn things of which you have no understanding now. Start with Brave new world. If you don’t like reading there are movies available on the internet for all four books except Cancer Ward. If you go on this track you need an ‘open mind’ there will be stuff you don’t understand at first but if you stick with it will become clearer. Suggest you start the next time Watford lose and you are in a state of depression like most Watford devotees. rogeruk

2:13pm Sun 5 Jan 14

rogeruk says...

KeithMercer wrote:
Roger, oh how intelligent you are, and how worldly and wise you are having lived and worked all over the world, and how powerful and important you are with your multi national business empire. You really are superior in every facet imaginable and whats more I bet you look like Johnny Wilkinson and have the physique of David Haye. You really are the full package and we are all in awe of you.
NOW JOG ON SADDO AND STOP BORING US WITH YOUR WIMPERINGS !!
So what you criticize me for answering questions honestly. I'm not bragging its fact what do you want me to do lie? It’s called honesty, you should try it sometime. Pretty sure you are one of the sheeple who think its good to call a poster on this site a moron and imbecile for giving an opinion. I did not volunteer any information about myself people asked and I answered. Is that a crime? Obviously in your eyes! What do you do?

Here we go again; Plonker, mental and saddo, what’s that? Three words out of your 100 word vocabulary, and most of your sentences begin with F – Right? Careful you will be using long words like Marmalade soon! Bet you only got two books and you haven't finished colouring in the second one yet! Bet you think ****-ing is the capital of China!

You are knowledgeable about sport and that’s it! You can name every member of a football team but you couldn’t explain QE or fractional banking, neither could you explain why they are important to you and your family? Neither could you tell me how much of your money goes to India and Pakistan in the name of foreign aid. That’s just the way the government likes it - dumb downed citizens like you who only know sport! And watch TV!
[quote][p][bold]KeithMercer[/bold] wrote: Roger, oh how intelligent you are, and how worldly and wise you are having lived and worked all over the world, and how powerful and important you are with your multi national business empire. You really are superior in every facet imaginable and whats more I bet you look like Johnny Wilkinson and have the physique of David Haye. You really are the full package and we are all in awe of you. NOW JOG ON SADDO AND STOP BORING US WITH YOUR WIMPERINGS !![/p][/quote]So what you criticize me for answering questions honestly. I'm not bragging its fact what do you want me to do lie? It’s called honesty, you should try it sometime. Pretty sure you are one of the sheeple who think its good to call a poster on this site a moron and imbecile for giving an opinion. I did not volunteer any information about myself people asked and I answered. Is that a crime? Obviously in your eyes! What do you do? Here we go again; Plonker, mental and saddo, what’s that? Three words out of your 100 word vocabulary, and most of your sentences begin with F – Right? Careful you will be using long words like Marmalade soon! Bet you only got two books and you haven't finished colouring in the second one yet! Bet you think ****-ing is the capital of China! You are knowledgeable about sport and that’s it! You can name every member of a football team but you couldn’t explain QE or fractional banking, neither could you explain why they are important to you and your family? Neither could you tell me how much of your money goes to India and Pakistan in the name of foreign aid. That’s just the way the government likes it - dumb downed citizens like you who only know sport! And watch TV! rogeruk

2:16pm Sun 5 Jan 14

rogeruk says...

Dickums wrote:
GrahamTaylor wrote:
can we ave our football site back please its totally pointless posts like the majority of this thread that have got other forums closed in the past.
At last a dose of sense.
For a variety of reasons after supporting Watford for 60 years I no longer am able to go to games and use this site to find out whats going on. This site seems to be mainly about intolerence of others views and now pontificating about the pros and cons of communism and fascism.
Just to show I can be petty as well ,before I retired I worked in 17 countries but what thats got ot do with Watford FC performances I don`t know..
At your age you should know better!
[quote][p][bold]Dickums[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GrahamTaylor[/bold] wrote: can we ave our football site back please its totally pointless posts like the majority of this thread that have got other forums closed in the past.[/p][/quote]At last a dose of sense. For a variety of reasons after supporting Watford for 60 years I no longer am able to go to games and use this site to find out whats going on. This site seems to be mainly about intolerence of others views and now pontificating about the pros and cons of communism and fascism. Just to show I can be petty as well ,before I retired I worked in 17 countries but what thats got ot do with Watford FC performances I don`t know..[/p][/quote]At your age you should know better! rogeruk

2:18pm Sun 5 Jan 14

rogeruk says...

rogeruk wrote:
GrahamTaylor wrote:
Lot of crap rubbish posted here about Zola and his ‘recent bad luck’ due to loss of injuries to key players, injuries and player turnover are part of the game. I say this team has been poor since February last season. Here are some facts for you all i.e not opinions or views.

Since Feb under Zola P36 W11 L14 D11 = PTS 46 That is relegation form right there with arguably the best what squad in the history of the club and why he should have been sacked (not resigned) IMO. Fail to see haw that is enjoyable football. Sure we have been able to watch good players play badly during that time but sadly that is not enough.

Football is all about results unfortunately, it’s not Ice skating you do not get bonus point for artistic impression! Nobody booed Boothroyd when we battered Leeds with direct football in Cardiff, his style only became an issue when we started losing. Zola’s style and personality bought him more time than we would have otherwise afforded him but ultimately it is a results business and losing games cost him his job.

The reason for his failure was summarised in this paper previously. Less than one hour a week on tactics and a day off 2 days before a game…… Ever wondered why we did not have an answer to our opponents tactics or threw away late leads…….
Whats more Zola told us; many times, his squad was bigger and better than the previous season, and he had the whole close season to knit them altogther.

He has no excuses! never heard him complain about his squad and the managment said he had ultimate control on every player coming to watford!

I cannot remember a more humilating time in Watford's histpory than losing at home to bottom of the table recently arrived from the Conference Yeovil Town 0-3! The players should have been fined a month's wages! Zola apparently was to nice instead he gave them extra days off for their effort against Yeovil!

You know what would be good, if a few Zola God loving fans on here would put their hands up and admit they got it wrong! Thats what real men would do!
And you three brave people are?
[quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GrahamTaylor[/bold] wrote: Lot of crap rubbish posted here about Zola and his ‘recent bad luck’ due to loss of injuries to key players, injuries and player turnover are part of the game. I say this team has been poor since February last season. Here are some facts for you all i.e not opinions or views. Since Feb under Zola P36 W11 L14 D11 = PTS 46 That is relegation form right there with arguably the best what squad in the history of the club and why he should have been sacked (not resigned) IMO. Fail to see haw that is enjoyable football. Sure we have been able to watch good players play badly during that time but sadly that is not enough. Football is all about results unfortunately, it’s not Ice skating you do not get bonus point for artistic impression! Nobody booed Boothroyd when we battered Leeds with direct football in Cardiff, his style only became an issue when we started losing. Zola’s style and personality bought him more time than we would have otherwise afforded him but ultimately it is a results business and losing games cost him his job. The reason for his failure was summarised in this paper previously. Less than one hour a week on tactics and a day off 2 days before a game…… Ever wondered why we did not have an answer to our opponents tactics or threw away late leads…….[/p][/quote]Whats more Zola told us; many times, his squad was bigger and better than the previous season, and he had the whole close season to knit them altogther. He has no excuses! never heard him complain about his squad and the managment said he had ultimate control on every player coming to watford! I cannot remember a more humilating time in Watford's histpory than losing at home to bottom of the table recently arrived from the Conference Yeovil Town 0-3! The players should have been fined a month's wages! Zola apparently was to nice instead he gave them extra days off for their effort against Yeovil! You know what would be good, if a few Zola God loving fans on here would put their hands up and admit they got it wrong! Thats what real men would do![/p][/quote]And you three brave people are? rogeruk

2:20pm Sun 5 Jan 14

rogeruk says...

SAHornet wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
GrahamTaylor wrote:
Lot of crap rubbish posted here about Zola and his ‘recent bad luck’ due to loss of injuries to key players, injuries and player turnover are part of the game. I say this team has been poor since February last season. Here are some facts for you all i.e not opinions or views.

Since Feb under Zola P36 W11 L14 D11 = PTS 46 That is relegation form right there with arguably the best what squad in the history of the club and why he should have been sacked (not resigned) IMO. Fail to see haw that is enjoyable football. Sure we have been able to watch good players play badly during that time but sadly that is not enough.

Football is all about results unfortunately, it’s not Ice skating you do not get bonus point for artistic impression! Nobody booed Boothroyd when we battered Leeds with direct football in Cardiff, his style only became an issue when we started losing. Zola’s style and personality bought him more time than we would have otherwise afforded him but ultimately it is a results business and losing games cost him his job.

The reason for his failure was summarised in this paper previously. Less than one hour a week on tactics and a day off 2 days before a game…… Ever wondered why we did not have an answer to our opponents tactics or threw away late leads…….
Whats more Zola told us; many times, his squad was bigger and better than the previous season, and he had the whole close season to knit them altogther.

He has no excuses! never heard him complain about his squad and the managment said he had ultimate control on every player coming to watford!

I cannot remember a more humilating time in Watford's histpory than losing at home to bottom of the table recently arrived from the Conference Yeovil Town 0-3! The players should have been fined a month's wages! Zola apparently was to nice instead he gave them extra days off for their effort against Yeovil!

You know what would be good, if a few Zola God loving fans on here would put their hands up and admit they got it wrong! Thats what real men would do!
roger, first of all, I admit that I may have got it wrong regarding GZ. I was and still am a fan of his but in this regard, I think he did indeed lose his way and would have hugely benefited from a MacKay/Dyche-like No. 2 to help with his understanding of a good defence. Time will tell, but I may well have got this wrong and hope that Sannino does well for us.

Secondly, please go to the top of your post. It seems to me that you may well have been aiming your tirade at me as you make reference to South Africa a couple of times but if you look closely, you will see that I merely posted the single word, "Ouch" to mellow yellow's post.
If its not you I apologise!
[quote][p][bold]SAHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GrahamTaylor[/bold] wrote: Lot of crap rubbish posted here about Zola and his ‘recent bad luck’ due to loss of injuries to key players, injuries and player turnover are part of the game. I say this team has been poor since February last season. Here are some facts for you all i.e not opinions or views. Since Feb under Zola P36 W11 L14 D11 = PTS 46 That is relegation form right there with arguably the best what squad in the history of the club and why he should have been sacked (not resigned) IMO. Fail to see haw that is enjoyable football. Sure we have been able to watch good players play badly during that time but sadly that is not enough. Football is all about results unfortunately, it’s not Ice skating you do not get bonus point for artistic impression! Nobody booed Boothroyd when we battered Leeds with direct football in Cardiff, his style only became an issue when we started losing. Zola’s style and personality bought him more time than we would have otherwise afforded him but ultimately it is a results business and losing games cost him his job. The reason for his failure was summarised in this paper previously. Less than one hour a week on tactics and a day off 2 days before a game…… Ever wondered why we did not have an answer to our opponents tactics or threw away late leads…….[/p][/quote]Whats more Zola told us; many times, his squad was bigger and better than the previous season, and he had the whole close season to knit them altogther. He has no excuses! never heard him complain about his squad and the managment said he had ultimate control on every player coming to watford! I cannot remember a more humilating time in Watford's histpory than losing at home to bottom of the table recently arrived from the Conference Yeovil Town 0-3! The players should have been fined a month's wages! Zola apparently was to nice instead he gave them extra days off for their effort against Yeovil! You know what would be good, if a few Zola God loving fans on here would put their hands up and admit they got it wrong! Thats what real men would do![/p][/quote]roger, first of all, I admit that I may have got it wrong regarding GZ. I was and still am a fan of his but in this regard, I think he did indeed lose his way and would have hugely benefited from a MacKay/Dyche-like No. 2 to help with his understanding of a good defence. Time will tell, but I may well have got this wrong and hope that Sannino does well for us. Secondly, please go to the top of your post. It seems to me that you may well have been aiming your tirade at me as you make reference to South Africa a couple of times but if you look closely, you will see that I merely posted the single word, "Ouch" to mellow yellow's post.[/p][/quote]If its not you I apologise! rogeruk

2:59pm Sun 5 Jan 14

KeithMercer says...

rogeruk wrote:
KeithMercer wrote:
Roger, oh how intelligent you are, and how worldly and wise you are having lived and worked all over the world, and how powerful and important you are with your multi national business empire. You really are superior in every facet imaginable and whats more I bet you look like Johnny Wilkinson and have the physique of David Haye. You really are the full package and we are all in awe of you.
NOW JOG ON SADDO AND STOP BORING US WITH YOUR WIMPERINGS !!
So what you criticize me for answering questions honestly. I'm not bragging its fact what do you want me to do lie? It’s called honesty, you should try it sometime. Pretty sure you are one of the sheeple who think its good to call a poster on this site a moron and imbecile for giving an opinion. I did not volunteer any information about myself people asked and I answered. Is that a crime? Obviously in your eyes! What do you do?

Here we go again; Plonker, mental and saddo, what’s that? Three words out of your 100 word vocabulary, and most of your sentences begin with F – Right? Careful you will be using long words like Marmalade soon! Bet you only got two books and you haven't finished colouring in the second one yet! Bet you think ****-ing is the capital of China!

You are knowledgeable about sport and that’s it! You can name every member of a football team but you couldn’t explain QE or fractional banking, neither could you explain why they are important to you and your family? Neither could you tell me how much of your money goes to India and Pakistan in the name of foreign aid. That’s just the way the government likes it - dumb downed citizens like you who only know sport! And watch TV!
Love winding you up Rog ! You rise to it every time (priceless)
Just a shame you are wasting everybody time with your ramblings ! when all we want to do is discuss the latest Watford game.
I am off to watch repeats of Big Brother now and then a bit of Babestation before I get ready to go to work and shovel some chips at Maccy Ds. Oh if only I was as intelligent as you and then my life could also be perfect.
By the way I can spell Marmulade !
[quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KeithMercer[/bold] wrote: Roger, oh how intelligent you are, and how worldly and wise you are having lived and worked all over the world, and how powerful and important you are with your multi national business empire. You really are superior in every facet imaginable and whats more I bet you look like Johnny Wilkinson and have the physique of David Haye. You really are the full package and we are all in awe of you. NOW JOG ON SADDO AND STOP BORING US WITH YOUR WIMPERINGS !![/p][/quote]So what you criticize me for answering questions honestly. I'm not bragging its fact what do you want me to do lie? It’s called honesty, you should try it sometime. Pretty sure you are one of the sheeple who think its good to call a poster on this site a moron and imbecile for giving an opinion. I did not volunteer any information about myself people asked and I answered. Is that a crime? Obviously in your eyes! What do you do? Here we go again; Plonker, mental and saddo, what’s that? Three words out of your 100 word vocabulary, and most of your sentences begin with F – Right? Careful you will be using long words like Marmalade soon! Bet you only got two books and you haven't finished colouring in the second one yet! Bet you think ****-ing is the capital of China! You are knowledgeable about sport and that’s it! You can name every member of a football team but you couldn’t explain QE or fractional banking, neither could you explain why they are important to you and your family? Neither could you tell me how much of your money goes to India and Pakistan in the name of foreign aid. That’s just the way the government likes it - dumb downed citizens like you who only know sport! And watch TV![/p][/quote]Love winding you up Rog ! You rise to it every time (priceless) Just a shame you are wasting everybody time with your ramblings ! when all we want to do is discuss the latest Watford game. I am off to watch repeats of Big Brother now and then a bit of Babestation before I get ready to go to work and shovel some chips at Maccy Ds. Oh if only I was as intelligent as you and then my life could also be perfect. By the way I can spell Marmulade ! KeithMercer

3:53pm Sun 5 Jan 14

rogeruk says...

KeithMercer wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
KeithMercer wrote:
Roger, oh how intelligent you are, and how worldly and wise you are having lived and worked all over the world, and how powerful and important you are with your multi national business empire. You really are superior in every facet imaginable and whats more I bet you look like Johnny Wilkinson and have the physique of David Haye. You really are the full package and we are all in awe of you.
NOW JOG ON SADDO AND STOP BORING US WITH YOUR WIMPERINGS !!
So what you criticize me for answering questions honestly. I'm not bragging its fact what do you want me to do lie? It’s called honesty, you should try it sometime. Pretty sure you are one of the sheeple who think its good to call a poster on this site a moron and imbecile for giving an opinion. I did not volunteer any information about myself people asked and I answered. Is that a crime? Obviously in your eyes! What do you do?

Here we go again; Plonker, mental and saddo, what’s that? Three words out of your 100 word vocabulary, and most of your sentences begin with F – Right? Careful you will be using long words like Marmalade soon! Bet you only got two books and you haven't finished colouring in the second one yet! Bet you think ****-ing is the capital of China!

You are knowledgeable about sport and that’s it! You can name every member of a football team but you couldn’t explain QE or fractional banking, neither could you explain why they are important to you and your family? Neither could you tell me how much of your money goes to India and Pakistan in the name of foreign aid. That’s just the way the government likes it - dumb downed citizens like you who only know sport! And watch TV!
Love winding you up Rog ! You rise to it every time (priceless)
Just a shame you are wasting everybody time with your ramblings ! when all we want to do is discuss the latest Watford game.
I am off to watch repeats of Big Brother now and then a bit of Babestation before I get ready to go to work and shovel some chips at Maccy Ds. Oh if only I was as intelligent as you and then my life could also be perfect.
By the way I can spell Marmulade !
You don't wind me up, I am completely in awe of your chavishness and stupidity and the fact you are proud of it is just the icing on the cake.

I know you are not capable of stringing two sentences together or making a counter argument even on football. Don't flatter yourself I don't reply for your benefit its to expose the deeply flawed human being you take pride in!
[quote][p][bold]KeithMercer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KeithMercer[/bold] wrote: Roger, oh how intelligent you are, and how worldly and wise you are having lived and worked all over the world, and how powerful and important you are with your multi national business empire. You really are superior in every facet imaginable and whats more I bet you look like Johnny Wilkinson and have the physique of David Haye. You really are the full package and we are all in awe of you. NOW JOG ON SADDO AND STOP BORING US WITH YOUR WIMPERINGS !![/p][/quote]So what you criticize me for answering questions honestly. I'm not bragging its fact what do you want me to do lie? It’s called honesty, you should try it sometime. Pretty sure you are one of the sheeple who think its good to call a poster on this site a moron and imbecile for giving an opinion. I did not volunteer any information about myself people asked and I answered. Is that a crime? Obviously in your eyes! What do you do? Here we go again; Plonker, mental and saddo, what’s that? Three words out of your 100 word vocabulary, and most of your sentences begin with F – Right? Careful you will be using long words like Marmalade soon! Bet you only got two books and you haven't finished colouring in the second one yet! Bet you think ****-ing is the capital of China! You are knowledgeable about sport and that’s it! You can name every member of a football team but you couldn’t explain QE or fractional banking, neither could you explain why they are important to you and your family? Neither could you tell me how much of your money goes to India and Pakistan in the name of foreign aid. That’s just the way the government likes it - dumb downed citizens like you who only know sport! And watch TV![/p][/quote]Love winding you up Rog ! You rise to it every time (priceless) Just a shame you are wasting everybody time with your ramblings ! when all we want to do is discuss the latest Watford game. I am off to watch repeats of Big Brother now and then a bit of Babestation before I get ready to go to work and shovel some chips at Maccy Ds. Oh if only I was as intelligent as you and then my life could also be perfect. By the way I can spell Marmulade ![/p][/quote]You don't wind me up, I am completely in awe of your chavishness and stupidity and the fact you are proud of it is just the icing on the cake. I know you are not capable of stringing two sentences together or making a counter argument even on football. Don't flatter yourself I don't reply for your benefit its to expose the deeply flawed human being you take pride in! rogeruk

4:16pm Sun 5 Jan 14

honest-view says...

I have never had to read so much drivel in all my days.
Children do not like getting someone arguing and like to be the better.
It reads just like that.
Please just good old football comments please
I have never had to read so much drivel in all my days. Children do not like getting someone arguing and like to be the better. It reads just like that. Please just good old football comments please honest-view

4:58pm Sun 5 Jan 14

mickallen57 says...

honest-view wrote:
I have never had to read so much drivel in all my days.
Children do not like getting someone arguing and like to be the better.
It reads just like that.
Please just good old football comments please
Couldn't agree more, I have posted many times on abusive behaviour .I cannot understand it. Surely we are all Watford fans and as such should respect each others views .
I come to this site to be informed of the latest news and to listen to the views of the fans on this site. We are not all going to agree but lets debate the point not get dragged into a slagging match . Different opinions make life interesting. If you can't debate the point and have to resort to name calling I believe Luton F.C. have a site that might be more to your taste. Come on lads get a grip we are all in this together COYH
[quote][p][bold]honest-view[/bold] wrote: I have never had to read so much drivel in all my days. Children do not like getting someone arguing and like to be the better. It reads just like that. Please just good old football comments please[/p][/quote]Couldn't agree more, I have posted many times on abusive behaviour .I cannot understand it. Surely we are all Watford fans and as such should respect each others views . I come to this site to be informed of the latest news and to listen to the views of the fans on this site. We are not all going to agree but lets debate the point not get dragged into a slagging match . Different opinions make life interesting. If you can't debate the point and have to resort to name calling I believe Luton F.C. have a site that might be more to your taste. Come on lads get a grip we are all in this together COYH mickallen57

7:04pm Sun 5 Jan 14

Harry's Bar says...

mickallen57 wrote:
honest-view wrote:
I have never had to read so much drivel in all my days.
Children do not like getting someone arguing and like to be the better.
It reads just like that.
Please just good old football comments please
Couldn't agree more, I have posted many times on abusive behaviour .I cannot understand it. Surely we are all Watford fans and as such should respect each others views .
I come to this site to be informed of the latest news and to listen to the views of the fans on this site. We are not all going to agree but lets debate the point not get dragged into a slagging match . Different opinions make life interesting. If you can't debate the point and have to resort to name calling I believe Luton F.C. have a site that might be more to your taste. Come on lads get a grip we are all in this together COYH
I have just read through the entire thread and personally found it most entertaining. I am intrigued by Roger, is he a multi national, multi lingual businessman, or has he been sectioned under the Mental Health Act. I honestly have no idea. Great fun though (if you take the offensive comments with a pinch of salt).
[quote][p][bold]mickallen57[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]honest-view[/bold] wrote: I have never had to read so much drivel in all my days. Children do not like getting someone arguing and like to be the better. It reads just like that. Please just good old football comments please[/p][/quote]Couldn't agree more, I have posted many times on abusive behaviour .I cannot understand it. Surely we are all Watford fans and as such should respect each others views . I come to this site to be informed of the latest news and to listen to the views of the fans on this site. We are not all going to agree but lets debate the point not get dragged into a slagging match . Different opinions make life interesting. If you can't debate the point and have to resort to name calling I believe Luton F.C. have a site that might be more to your taste. Come on lads get a grip we are all in this together COYH[/p][/quote]I have just read through the entire thread and personally found it most entertaining. I am intrigued by Roger, is he a multi national, multi lingual businessman, or has he been sectioned under the Mental Health Act. I honestly have no idea. Great fun though (if you take the offensive comments with a pinch of salt). Harry's Bar

7:32pm Sun 5 Jan 14

Bush Hornet says...

Harry's Bar wrote:
mickallen57 wrote:
honest-view wrote:
I have never had to read so much drivel in all my days.
Children do not like getting someone arguing and like to be the better.
It reads just like that.
Please just good old football comments please
Couldn't agree more, I have posted many times on abusive behaviour .I cannot understand it. Surely we are all Watford fans and as such should respect each others views .
I come to this site to be informed of the latest news and to listen to the views of the fans on this site. We are not all going to agree but lets debate the point not get dragged into a slagging match . Different opinions make life interesting. If you can't debate the point and have to resort to name calling I believe Luton F.C. have a site that might be more to your taste. Come on lads get a grip we are all in this together COYH
I have just read through the entire thread and personally found it most entertaining. I am intrigued by Roger, is he a multi national, multi lingual businessman, or has he been sectioned under the Mental Health Act. I honestly have no idea. Great fun though (if you take the offensive comments with a pinch of salt).
He's none of those things Harry. He's clearly the Messiah and he's come to save us, if only we'd listen.
[quote][p][bold]Harry's Bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mickallen57[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]honest-view[/bold] wrote: I have never had to read so much drivel in all my days. Children do not like getting someone arguing and like to be the better. It reads just like that. Please just good old football comments please[/p][/quote]Couldn't agree more, I have posted many times on abusive behaviour .I cannot understand it. Surely we are all Watford fans and as such should respect each others views . I come to this site to be informed of the latest news and to listen to the views of the fans on this site. We are not all going to agree but lets debate the point not get dragged into a slagging match . Different opinions make life interesting. If you can't debate the point and have to resort to name calling I believe Luton F.C. have a site that might be more to your taste. Come on lads get a grip we are all in this together COYH[/p][/quote]I have just read through the entire thread and personally found it most entertaining. I am intrigued by Roger, is he a multi national, multi lingual businessman, or has he been sectioned under the Mental Health Act. I honestly have no idea. Great fun though (if you take the offensive comments with a pinch of salt).[/p][/quote]He's none of those things Harry. He's clearly the Messiah and he's come to save us, if only we'd listen. Bush Hornet

7:43pm Sun 5 Jan 14

JonBoy says...

I think Roger disappeared up his own ringpiece I mean what kid of person feels the need to explain his background. If you're a secure, successful person you don't rise to the bait and you certainly don't feel the need to brag in public.
I think Roger disappeared up his own ringpiece I mean what kid of person feels the need to explain his background. If you're a secure, successful person you don't rise to the bait and you certainly don't feel the need to brag in public. JonBoy

8:01pm Sun 5 Jan 14

tommy gunn says...

Returning to the Football, I seem to remember Sannino saying , when asked if further additions to the squad were likely, his repose was, lets see what we need after the Bristol game. Interesting, further additions may be in the pipeline.
Returning to the Football, I seem to remember Sannino saying , when asked if further additions to the squad were likely, his repose was, lets see what we need after the Bristol game. Interesting, further additions may be in the pipeline. tommy gunn

12:16am Mon 6 Jan 14

PozzoHornet says...

tonyevans22 wrote:
mellow yellow wrote:
tonyevans22 wrote:
-Nightingale- wrote:
tonyevans22 wrote:
Jesus if he happy with drawing against city then you need to take a look at yourself.That was awful.Don't blame injuries and players out as Zola struggled with that for most of the season.We were playing a lower league side and yet our main striker could only musta one effort on goal.City had more chances and should of won.We looked clueless going forward.Deeney did nothing.Lewis was the only player to turn up along with Murray.This was as bad as the QPR game except we scored a goal.Football is about scoring goals,Entertainment,





not defend and play like you have just met each other.
Complete imbecile. This is the new manager's 4th game. He is clearly working at tightening up the defence to start with. Only conceded 2 goals in 4 games which is a vast improvement. The attacking side will improve. Unfortunately some idiots expect instant results
That's ok then,clearly working at us tightening up a defence at a lower league club who should have beaten us.Scoring goals wins games not playing in a negative defensive manner.We can't even keep the ball.Deeney 2 shots in 180 mins,Service is poor,going forward with intent has all but disappeared in the last 2 games.Unfortunately some idiots are prepared to watch Negative based football and think its great cos we kept a clean sheet.Just in case you forgot,the Art of the game is to score goals,and more than the opposition,and offer some kind of entertainment value.Brendan Rogers has returned with a bald head,and most castrated his slow passing sideways football.I clearly want to see attacking football with some shots on goal,not all from 30 yards because there is no other options.Score goals first then defend as a unit but learning to defend at 0-0 does not make any sense.Zola's football excited me,this was as drab as it gets yet again!
So presumably you were delighted by our worrying performances in the last couple of months under Zola, and never, ever, not even once voiced any concerns. The heart of any successful team is the defence. I am pleased we look more assured at the back. You seem to be of the mindset that every team in a league below should be rightly spanked. Tell that to Southend and Sheffield United today...

Give it two months before berating a new coach in a new country. Jeez.
Our worrying performances was because we never had a stable defence under Zola,Ekstrand,Doyley

,Hall,Hoban,Nosworth

y etc all out injured at various times.Abdi out all season,Losing Chalabah ,Vydra and Anya out as well.You can't just wave a magic wand and replace them players.Zola lost the core of his squad that done so well last year.With the core of these injured players coming back and these new editions,which should have been addressed in August I was confident Zola would turn it around.The problem now is where are the goals coming from,Deeney isolated upfront,no service,and lewis shooting from 25 yards 9 times out of 10 because there is no other options to aim at.QPR was like a chest game,and they never played a striker to threaten us until late 2nd half,we never had a clue how to break them down.Ipswich(a) we got out of jail with one effort on goal.Millwall 2 pens and 10 men for 80mins,result never in doubt.Bristol city played 2 at the back for godsake,replacing all there defenders during the 2nd half with attacking players,yet we only managed a long range effort to score.And with the core of players we have we should spank teams like City,because if you can't put teams like that to bed then where do you see us gaining promotion that everyone keeps going on about,because there are better teams in our division than them.
Under Zola, Ekstrand was only injured at the start of the season, and his injury did not coincide with our terrible run. Doyley was injured for a few games and Hall was barely ever in contention because he didn't have a contract with us. The point being, you can hardly blame Zola's managerial defensive frailties on injuries. At no point did he have an injury crisis during his last 10 games, unlike Sannino's current dilemma which forced him to play two central midfielders at wing back. Not only that, but Sannino has turned our form around (so far) with precisely the same problems you mentioned (i.e. losing important players from last year, Abdi injured) as well as the current, and real, injury crisis of 8 players out (Anya, Faraoni, Pudil, Cassetti, Forestieri, Belkalem, Abdi, Hoban). McGugan shoots from 25 yards out anyway and Deeney was told he might be isolated by Sannino and that the chances would be few and far between. And for crying out loud, he's had 4 games. Give him a bit of time before you start slagging him off. If you aren't happy with the results then f*** off to Luton, I hear they're doing all right down in the Skrill Premier.
[quote][p][bold]tonyevans22[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mellow yellow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tonyevans22[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]-Nightingale-[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tonyevans22[/bold] wrote: Jesus if he happy with drawing against city then you need to take a look at yourself.That was awful.Don't blame injuries and players out as Zola struggled with that for most of the season.We were playing a lower league side and yet our main striker could only musta one effort on goal.City had more chances and should of won.We looked clueless going forward.Deeney did nothing.Lewis was the only player to turn up along with Murray.This was as bad as the QPR game except we scored a goal.Football is about scoring goals,Entertainment, not defend and play like you have just met each other.[/p][/quote]Complete imbecile. This is the new manager's 4th game. He is clearly working at tightening up the defence to start with. Only conceded 2 goals in 4 games which is a vast improvement. The attacking side will improve. Unfortunately some idiots expect instant results[/p][/quote]That's ok then,clearly working at us tightening up a defence at a lower league club who should have beaten us.Scoring goals wins games not playing in a negative defensive manner.We can't even keep the ball.Deeney 2 shots in 180 mins,Service is poor,going forward with intent has all but disappeared in the last 2 games.Unfortunately some idiots are prepared to watch Negative based football and think its great cos we kept a clean sheet.Just in case you forgot,the Art of the game is to score goals,and more than the opposition,and offer some kind of entertainment value.Brendan Rogers has returned with a bald head,and most castrated his slow passing sideways football.I clearly want to see attacking football with some shots on goal,not all from 30 yards because there is no other options.Score goals first then defend as a unit but learning to defend at 0-0 does not make any sense.Zola's football excited me,this was as drab as it gets yet again![/p][/quote]So presumably you were delighted by our worrying performances in the last couple of months under Zola, and never, ever, not even once voiced any concerns. The heart of any successful team is the defence. I am pleased we look more assured at the back. You seem to be of the mindset that every team in a league below should be rightly spanked. Tell that to Southend and Sheffield United today... Give it two months before berating a new coach in a new country. Jeez.[/p][/quote]Our worrying performances was because we never had a stable defence under Zola,Ekstrand,Doyley ,Hall,Hoban,Nosworth y etc all out injured at various times.Abdi out all season,Losing Chalabah ,Vydra and Anya out as well.You can't just wave a magic wand and replace them players.Zola lost the core of his squad that done so well last year.With the core of these injured players coming back and these new editions,which should have been addressed in August I was confident Zola would turn it around.The problem now is where are the goals coming from,Deeney isolated upfront,no service,and lewis shooting from 25 yards 9 times out of 10 because there is no other options to aim at.QPR was like a chest game,and they never played a striker to threaten us until late 2nd half,we never had a clue how to break them down.Ipswich(a) we got out of jail with one effort on goal.Millwall 2 pens and 10 men for 80mins,result never in doubt.Bristol city played 2 at the back for godsake,replacing all there defenders during the 2nd half with attacking players,yet we only managed a long range effort to score.And with the core of players we have we should spank teams like City,because if you can't put teams like that to bed then where do you see us gaining promotion that everyone keeps going on about,because there are better teams in our division than them.[/p][/quote]Under Zola, Ekstrand was only injured at the start of the season, and his injury did not coincide with our terrible run. Doyley was injured for a few games and Hall was barely ever in contention because he didn't have a contract with us. The point being, you can hardly blame Zola's managerial defensive frailties on injuries. At no point did he have an injury crisis during his last 10 games, unlike Sannino's current dilemma which forced him to play two central midfielders at wing back. Not only that, but Sannino has turned our form around (so far) with precisely the same problems you mentioned (i.e. losing important players from last year, Abdi injured) as well as the current, and real, injury crisis of 8 players out (Anya, Faraoni, Pudil, Cassetti, Forestieri, Belkalem, Abdi, Hoban). McGugan shoots from 25 yards out anyway and Deeney was told he might be isolated by Sannino and that the chances would be few and far between. And for crying out loud, he's had 4 games. Give him a bit of time before you start slagging him off. If you aren't happy with the results then f*** off to Luton, I hear they're doing all right down in the Skrill Premier. PozzoHornet

3:00am Mon 6 Jan 14

PozzoHornet says...

rogeruk wrote:
Stoney77 wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
Stoney77 wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
SAHornet wrote:
mellow yellow wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
What an aggressive site this is, Nobody can make their heartfelt opinion without being called a Moron or Imbecile. What's wrong with you people? Seems many have issues which should be dealt with far away from a fans site.

Can you not show the minimum of courtesy especially to those who don't post regularly!

Obviously a game to forget, the jury is out on the new coach he needs about three months to mould his team before we can make valid judgements' on Sannino. That said he took on one horrible mess from Zola.

On another note; Watford based on up-to-date attendances have the best attendance record of the Pozzo's clubs.

So far average attendances are:

Watford: 15614
Granada: 15302
Udinese: 11313

It's time to stop calling watford a small club, comparisons with Barcelona or Man U are not relevant but then how many premier clubs in Europe are?

Watford's attendance compares favourably with the average club in the Main Four European premier leagues.

When the new stand is built will regularly draw in 20000 in the premier maybe 25000. In Graham Taylor's golden years in the old Div 1 gates of 27000 were achieved.

Watford if things go well will be the primary Pozzo club.
If I remember correctly, you are the one who introduced the charming term 'sheeple' to this site, and regularly go off piste from a football topic with your anti communistic rants, which are, for your information, actually more correctly fascist observations. There are some on here, roger me ole mucker, who can be lucid and erudite (my favourite Sean Dyche word) without resorting to personal insults. You aren't one of them so to you one of MY favourite words: hypocrite. Have a nice day, now.
Ouch !
Where do I start? How can you be at one time both lucid and erudite and not resorting to personal insults followed by you have a favourite word Hypocrite which you apply to me for expressing my opinion? Can you see our problem in understanding your rather confused state? By accident you have supremely defined hypocrisy using yourself as a perfect example – Brilliant!

Some of the most bigoted people on the planet have lived and continue to live in South Africa, there are so many fascists living there its surprising you cannot see the similarities in both ideologies!

I will not accept you calling me a hypocrite because it is simply not true. You call yourself lucid and erudite but you are anything but! You are confused and single minded! It’s also not a nice trait to compliment yourself in writing with your own perceived qualities.

I own up to introducing the term sheeple because that’s what they are, only this morning someone is called a Moron and Imbecile and he gets about 60 thumbs down. If that’s not sheeple behaviour then what the hell is? Here you are confused and very wrong is misunderstanding or manipulating the argument of calling somebody a racist or fascist only because you cannot elucidate a counter argument. This has been common practice in the UK under New Labour and in the US under the Democrats, e.g. if you criticize Obama for anything Democrats call you a racist! New Labour killed free speech in the UK where we now resort to putting people in prison for making non PC comments on a tram. This is dangerous territory and I for one am doing everything I can to fight it!

Sheeple behaviour is tribe or gang orientated usually appealing to low IQ persons who are low on self-esteem and feel empowered in numbers. Their employ colloquial language like, Plonker and mental and so on to insult people, or alternatively to curb free speech or bully people for having an alternative opinion, which demonstrates individuality and the very opposite of sheeple culture where the power comes from the crowd or safety in numbers! This is common behaviour here where people gang up against individuals. You apparently endorse this behaviour!

Obviously a gang or a crowd of like-minded low IQ people cannot accept individual opinions because that threatens the very ethos of the tribe or gang! Using words like communism, proletariat or sans culottes is an analogy to describe such behaviour what’s wrong with that? How bright are you in not understanding the use of an analogy with your confusion of thinking I am discussing communism?

I am not a hypocrite and I am not sure if you understand what hypocrisy is? You have employed the term to me but not thinking it through! When I use the word sheeple or chav it is used in retaliation but not originated by me which is massively different and why I cannot be a hypocrite. I am retaliating against abuse, I never initiated it and that is paramount! I will fight back, defending freedom and free speech. I am a libertarian which doesn’t make me a soft touch.

For someone as articulate as you claim to be, you have a very poor understanding of fascism, I am assuming you refer to Germany? Nazi means National Socialism (the clue is in the title)! There is very little difference between the evils of Nazism and Communism, both share the trait of brooking no free speech amongst many other evils and use authoritarian methods to achieve absolute power. Where they differ is in number of victims. Communism is responsible for many more tens of millions being killed in comparison to Fascism. I hope this explanation is lucid and erudite enough for you!
Can we all go for a IQ test together please. Rogeruk seems to think we all have a low IQ. I'm interested to see if he is right, I'm quite confident of doing well. I did get up to my 10 times table at school and once got the conundrum on countdown within 10 seconds.

Also, Roger, on a more serious note you seem to have a problem with peoples right to vote on here. Readers of the comments section are presented with 3 options upon reading others comments; to agree, to abstain or to disagree. Yet when multiple people choose the same option they are labelled as Sheeple. If you do not accept others opinions or do not accept that they have a right to vote and to express their behaviour, does this not imply that you have dictatorial behaviour characteristics?

#justasking

#sheeplearmy
I have no problem in people voting, I am in favour of it! Actually Hitler was voted into power by people of your mentality my view is different to yours!

I think giving someone a ‘thumbs up’ of 60 to somebody who calls somebody else a moron and imbecile for expressing his personal opinion is outrageous.

I am fully justified in calling 60 posters sheeple if they behave like that, it is intimidating, aggressive bullying and follows communist traits. If you have a problem with that it’s your problem. As long as you and your cohorts behave in this way expect more of the same.

My arguments and analogies are related to football, bullying shows its ugly head everywhere as does aggressive behaviour and thuggery which is why there are Yellow and Red cards.

If you're OK with this thuggery continuing then I am OK with lambasting you and your fellow sheeple! Can't be clearer than that!
Just to re-quote part of your response to me: "Hitler was voted into power by people of your mentality"
So what exactly is my mentality? And please provide evidence/justificati


on of this.
Simples; Because 60 people voted in praise of a fellow sheeple person i.e. the sheepler who called a Watford fan a moron and imbecile. His crime; merely stating his own personal and valid opinion about football. This is uncultured outrageous behaviour and completely out of order. The fact 60 of you followed along and commend him for doing it, shows clearly none of you are civilized or cultured and you go beyond the bounds of human decency.

People with exactly the same type of mentality would group together in numbers in Nazi Germany and persecute anyone who criticized Hitler, it started with bullying and asking for papers , as people got more and more scared Hitler and his thugs became more extreme until they gassed 6 million human beings many women and children.

As civilised society becomes more and more brainwashed, violence becomes the norm, computer games with gratuitous violence where gamers kill people with no sense of shame become desensitized to killing and violence, you may think that it an exaggeration but experience and history shows us civilization can only be a veneer, when it crumbles all hell breaks loose, the likes of which you cannot imagine.

People do things without thinking then regret it. After when it’s too late, hey say to themselves why did I do that? If people were to think everything through before doing something they would have a better chance of avoiding costly mistakes. The problem is when an almost entire generation is brainwashed by TV, Pop music and celebrity stalking, ‘X’ factor etc. they stop being a person, an individual with thoughts of their own, programed to do what they are told because they think its ‘cool’!

It’s so easy to go along with the crowd just because there are many of them and they can’t all be wrong can they? Yes they can! People take no responsibility for their own actions just because 60 people kill a person doesn’t make it right! The minority are the bravest they are willing to do anything to protect their freedoms.

Football is a good example of life in general it shares all the emotion, virtues and vices of life, it can be seen in a 90 minute game of football.
Freedom of speech and personal freedoms are precious and we are losing more freedoms every day! One day in the not too distant we will get to the point whereby you will need to be in possession of a Supermarket passport to buy food and water and if you don’t bow down to the dictator government and their thug police you and your family will starve to death. Do you know for instance in the UK 500 people have been killed in police custody in the last ten years and not one policeman has been made accountable?

What’s this got to do with football fans ? Everything. Villains like Murdoch make addictive TV flooding you with football and movies and taking your money, if you want to wise up and really understand what’s going on behind your back, read ‘A Brave new world’, a novel written in 1931 by Aldous Huxley.Set in London of AD 2540. Animal Farm and 1984 by George Orwell and if you can manage it a brilliant book by Aleksandra Solzhenitsyn called Cancer Ward and finally Franz Kafka ‘The Trial’.

I may be wasting my time telling you this but trust me you will be grateful when the Brown ‘stuff’ hits the fan as it surely will. You will learn things of which you have no understanding now. Start with Brave new world. If you don’t like reading there are movies available on the internet for all four books except Cancer Ward. If you go on this track you need an ‘open mind’ there will be stuff you don’t understand at first but if you stick with it will become clearer.

Suggest you start the next time Watford lose and you are in a state of depression like most Watford devotees.
I'm afraid, roger, I dispute numerous statements you make. I believe in another post you described 60 people voting in favour of the 'imbecile' quote as bullying and you damningly condemn the people who did it; I've got to say that's just ridiculous. It's not as if they're all flaming the guy, hurling abuse at him. I highly doubt the guy is gonna lose sleep over the fact that 60 people think he's an imbecile. The likelihood is he hasn't even seen it because he hasn't returned to this page. You could argue that it is the equivalent of 60 people calling that person an imbecile but you must admit, thumbs up on a comment has hardly the same effect. I doubt you care very much when someone insults you and they get thumbs up. So to call it 'outrageous behaviour' and bullying is quite an overreaction. In addition, they are simply expressing their opinion, are they not? And yet you insult them. It's a two way street when it comes to free speech roger. It's easy to see why you aren't a very likeable figure, given you insult peoples' intelligence based on unfounded assumptions about people you have never met. If there are lots of people who disagree with you, it is conceited and unreasonable to suggest they're all idiots and you're right. Of course you will disagree, however I hope you will understand that this is how it looks to the third person. I apologise if this insults you, however this is how I see it. By the way, regarding your later comments about hypocrisy, I would note that calling people hypocrites is one of the most circular arguments known to man, on a par with the 'you're argumentative' argument, because we have all been hypocritical at one point in our lives, so to accuse anyone else of being hypocritical is in itself hypocritical.
[quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stoney77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stoney77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mellow yellow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: What an aggressive site this is, Nobody can make their heartfelt opinion without being called a Moron or Imbecile. What's wrong with you people? Seems many have issues which should be dealt with far away from a fans site. Can you not show the minimum of courtesy especially to those who don't post regularly! Obviously a game to forget, the jury is out on the new coach he needs about three months to mould his team before we can make valid judgements' on Sannino. That said he took on one horrible mess from Zola. On another note; Watford based on up-to-date attendances have the best attendance record of the Pozzo's clubs. So far average attendances are: Watford: 15614 Granada: 15302 Udinese: 11313 It's time to stop calling watford a small club, comparisons with Barcelona or Man U are not relevant but then how many premier clubs in Europe are? Watford's attendance compares favourably with the average club in the Main Four European premier leagues. When the new stand is built will regularly draw in 20000 in the premier maybe 25000. In Graham Taylor's golden years in the old Div 1 gates of 27000 were achieved. Watford if things go well will be the primary Pozzo club.[/p][/quote]If I remember correctly, you are the one who introduced the charming term 'sheeple' to this site, and regularly go off piste from a football topic with your anti communistic rants, which are, for your information, actually more correctly fascist observations. There are some on here, roger me ole mucker, who can be lucid and erudite (my favourite Sean Dyche word) without resorting to personal insults. You aren't one of them so to you one of MY favourite words: hypocrite. Have a nice day, now.[/p][/quote]Ouch ![/p][/quote]Where do I start? How can you be at one time both lucid and erudite and not resorting to personal insults followed by you have a favourite word Hypocrite which you apply to me for expressing my opinion? Can you see our problem in understanding your rather confused state? By accident you have supremely defined hypocrisy using yourself as a perfect example – Brilliant! Some of the most bigoted people on the planet have lived and continue to live in South Africa, there are so many fascists living there its surprising you cannot see the similarities in both ideologies! I will not accept you calling me a hypocrite because it is simply not true. You call yourself lucid and erudite but you are anything but! You are confused and single minded! It’s also not a nice trait to compliment yourself in writing with your own perceived qualities. I own up to introducing the term sheeple because that’s what they are, only this morning someone is called a Moron and Imbecile and he gets about 60 thumbs down. If that’s not sheeple behaviour then what the hell is? Here you are confused and very wrong is misunderstanding or manipulating the argument of calling somebody a racist or fascist only because you cannot elucidate a counter argument. This has been common practice in the UK under New Labour and in the US under the Democrats, e.g. if you criticize Obama for anything Democrats call you a racist! New Labour killed free speech in the UK where we now resort to putting people in prison for making non PC comments on a tram. This is dangerous territory and I for one am doing everything I can to fight it! Sheeple behaviour is tribe or gang orientated usually appealing to low IQ persons who are low on self-esteem and feel empowered in numbers. Their employ colloquial language like, Plonker and mental and so on to insult people, or alternatively to curb free speech or bully people for having an alternative opinion, which demonstrates individuality and the very opposite of sheeple culture where the power comes from the crowd or safety in numbers! This is common behaviour here where people gang up against individuals. You apparently endorse this behaviour! Obviously a gang or a crowd of like-minded low IQ people cannot accept individual opinions because that threatens the very ethos of the tribe or gang! Using words like communism, proletariat or sans culottes is an analogy to describe such behaviour what’s wrong with that? How bright are you in not understanding the use of an analogy with your confusion of thinking I am discussing communism? I am not a hypocrite and I am not sure if you understand what hypocrisy is? You have employed the term to me but not thinking it through! When I use the word sheeple or chav it is used in retaliation but not originated by me which is massively different and why I cannot be a hypocrite. I am retaliating against abuse, I never initiated it and that is paramount! I will fight back, defending freedom and free speech. I am a libertarian which doesn’t make me a soft touch. For someone as articulate as you claim to be, you have a very poor understanding of fascism, I am assuming you refer to Germany? Nazi means National Socialism (the clue is in the title)! There is very little difference between the evils of Nazism and Communism, both share the trait of brooking no free speech amongst many other evils and use authoritarian methods to achieve absolute power. Where they differ is in number of victims. Communism is responsible for many more tens of millions being killed in comparison to Fascism. I hope this explanation is lucid and erudite enough for you![/p][/quote]Can we all go for a IQ test together please. Rogeruk seems to think we all have a low IQ. I'm interested to see if he is right, I'm quite confident of doing well. I did get up to my 10 times table at school and once got the conundrum on countdown within 10 seconds. Also, Roger, on a more serious note you seem to have a problem with peoples right to vote on here. Readers of the comments section are presented with 3 options upon reading others comments; to agree, to abstain or to disagree. Yet when multiple people choose the same option they are labelled as Sheeple. If you do not accept others opinions or do not accept that they have a right to vote and to express their behaviour, does this not imply that you have dictatorial behaviour characteristics? #justasking #sheeplearmy[/p][/quote]I have no problem in people voting, I am in favour of it! Actually Hitler was voted into power by people of your mentality my view is different to yours! I think giving someone a ‘thumbs up’ of 60 to somebody who calls somebody else a moron and imbecile for expressing his personal opinion is outrageous. I am fully justified in calling 60 posters sheeple if they behave like that, it is intimidating, aggressive bullying and follows communist traits. If you have a problem with that it’s your problem. As long as you and your cohorts behave in this way expect more of the same. My arguments and analogies are related to football, bullying shows its ugly head everywhere as does aggressive behaviour and thuggery which is why there are Yellow and Red cards. If you're OK with this thuggery continuing then I am OK with lambasting you and your fellow sheeple! Can't be clearer than that![/p][/quote]Just to re-quote part of your response to me: "Hitler was voted into power by people of your mentality" So what exactly is my mentality? And please provide evidence/justificati on of this.[/p][/quote]Simples; Because 60 people voted in praise of a fellow sheeple person i.e. the sheepler who called a Watford fan a moron and imbecile. His crime; merely stating his own personal and valid opinion about football. This is uncultured outrageous behaviour and completely out of order. The fact 60 of you followed along and commend him for doing it, shows clearly none of you are civilized or cultured and you go beyond the bounds of human decency. People with exactly the same type of mentality would group together in numbers in Nazi Germany and persecute anyone who criticized Hitler, it started with bullying and asking for papers , as people got more and more scared Hitler and his thugs became more extreme until they gassed 6 million human beings many women and children. As civilised society becomes more and more brainwashed, violence becomes the norm, computer games with gratuitous violence where gamers kill people with no sense of shame become desensitized to killing and violence, you may think that it an exaggeration but experience and history shows us civilization can only be a veneer, when it crumbles all hell breaks loose, the likes of which you cannot imagine. People do things without thinking then regret it. After when it’s too late, hey say to themselves why did I do that? If people were to think everything through before doing something they would have a better chance of avoiding costly mistakes. The problem is when an almost entire generation is brainwashed by TV, Pop music and celebrity stalking, ‘X’ factor etc. they stop being a person, an individual with thoughts of their own, programed to do what they are told because they think its ‘cool’! It’s so easy to go along with the crowd just because there are many of them and they can’t all be wrong can they? Yes they can! People take no responsibility for their own actions just because 60 people kill a person doesn’t make it right! The minority are the bravest they are willing to do anything to protect their freedoms. Football is a good example of life in general it shares all the emotion, virtues and vices of life, it can be seen in a 90 minute game of football. Freedom of speech and personal freedoms are precious and we are losing more freedoms every day! One day in the not too distant we will get to the point whereby you will need to be in possession of a Supermarket passport to buy food and water and if you don’t bow down to the dictator government and their thug police you and your family will starve to death. Do you know for instance in the UK 500 people have been killed in police custody in the last ten years and not one policeman has been made accountable? What’s this got to do with football fans ? Everything. Villains like Murdoch make addictive TV flooding you with football and movies and taking your money, if you want to wise up and really understand what’s going on behind your back, read ‘A Brave new world’, a novel written in 1931 by Aldous Huxley.Set in London of AD 2540. Animal Farm and 1984 by George Orwell and if you can manage it a brilliant book by Aleksandra Solzhenitsyn called Cancer Ward and finally Franz Kafka ‘The Trial’. I may be wasting my time telling you this but trust me you will be grateful when the Brown ‘stuff’ hits the fan as it surely will. You will learn things of which you have no understanding now. Start with Brave new world. If you don’t like reading there are movies available on the internet for all four books except Cancer Ward. If you go on this track you need an ‘open mind’ there will be stuff you don’t understand at first but if you stick with it will become clearer. Suggest you start the next time Watford lose and you are in a state of depression like most Watford devotees.[/p][/quote]I'm afraid, roger, I dispute numerous statements you make. I believe in another post you described 60 people voting in favour of the 'imbecile' quote as bullying and you damningly condemn the people who did it; I've got to say that's just ridiculous. It's not as if they're all flaming the guy, hurling abuse at him. I highly doubt the guy is gonna lose sleep over the fact that 60 people think he's an imbecile. The likelihood is he hasn't even seen it because he hasn't returned to this page. You could argue that it is the equivalent of 60 people calling that person an imbecile but you must admit, thumbs up on a comment has hardly the same effect. I doubt you care very much when someone insults you and they get thumbs up. So to call it 'outrageous behaviour' and bullying is quite an overreaction. In addition, they are simply expressing their opinion, are they not? And yet you insult them. It's a two way street when it comes to free speech roger. It's easy to see why you aren't a very likeable figure, given you insult peoples' intelligence based on unfounded assumptions about people you have never met. If there are lots of people who disagree with you, it is conceited and unreasonable to suggest they're all idiots and you're right. Of course you will disagree, however I hope you will understand that this is how it looks to the third person. I apologise if this insults you, however this is how I see it. By the way, regarding your later comments about hypocrisy, I would note that calling people hypocrites is one of the most circular arguments known to man, on a par with the 'you're argumentative' argument, because we have all been hypocritical at one point in our lives, so to accuse anyone else of being hypocritical is in itself hypocritical. PozzoHornet

6:45am Mon 6 Jan 14

rogeruk says...

PozzoHornet wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
Stoney77 wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
Stoney77 wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
SAHornet wrote:
mellow yellow wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
What an aggressive site this is, Nobody can make their heartfelt opinion without being called a Moron or Imbecile. What's wrong with you people? Seems many have issues which should be dealt with far away from a fans site.

Can you not show the minimum of courtesy especially to those who don't post regularly!

Obviously a game to forget, the jury is out on the new coach he needs about three months to mould his team before we can make valid judgements' on Sannino. That said he took on one horrible mess from Zola.

On another note; Watford based on up-to-date attendances have the best attendance record of the Pozzo's clubs.

So far average attendances are:

Watford: 15614
Granada: 15302
Udinese: 11313

It's time to stop calling watford a small club, comparisons with Barcelona or Man U are not relevant but then how many premier clubs in Europe are?

Watford's attendance compares favourably with the average club in the Main Four European premier leagues.

When the new stand is built will regularly draw in 20000 in the premier maybe 25000. In Graham Taylor's golden years in the old Div 1 gates of 27000 were achieved.

Watford if things go well will be the primary Pozzo club.
If I remember correctly, you are the one who introduced the charming term 'sheeple' to this site, and regularly go off piste from a football topic with your anti communistic rants, which are, for your information, actually more correctly fascist observations. There are some on here, roger me ole mucker, who can be lucid and erudite (my favourite Sean Dyche word) without resorting to personal insults. You aren't one of them so to you one of MY favourite words: hypocrite. Have a nice day, now.
Ouch !
Where do I start? How can you be at one time both lucid and erudite and not resorting to personal insults followed by you have a favourite word Hypocrite which you apply to me for expressing my opinion? Can you see our problem in understanding your rather confused state? By accident you have supremely defined hypocrisy using yourself as a perfect example – Brilliant!

Some of the most bigoted people on the planet have lived and continue to live in South Africa, there are so many fascists living there its surprising you cannot see the similarities in both ideologies!

I will not accept you calling me a hypocrite because it is simply not true. You call yourself lucid and erudite but you are anything but! You are confused and single minded! It’s also not a nice trait to compliment yourself in writing with your own perceived qualities.

I own up to introducing the term sheeple because that’s what they are, only this morning someone is called a Moron and Imbecile and he gets about 60 thumbs down. If that’s not sheeple behaviour then what the hell is? Here you are confused and very wrong is misunderstanding or manipulating the argument of calling somebody a racist or fascist only because you cannot elucidate a counter argument. This has been common practice in the UK under New Labour and in the US under the Democrats, e.g. if you criticize Obama for anything Democrats call you a racist! New Labour killed free speech in the UK where we now resort to putting people in prison for making non PC comments on a tram. This is dangerous territory and I for one am doing everything I can to fight it!

Sheeple behaviour is tribe or gang orientated usually appealing to low IQ persons who are low on self-esteem and feel empowered in numbers. Their employ colloquial language like, Plonker and mental and so on to insult people, or alternatively to curb free speech or bully people for having an alternative opinion, which demonstrates individuality and the very opposite of sheeple culture where the power comes from the crowd or safety in numbers! This is common behaviour here where people gang up against individuals. You apparently endorse this behaviour!

Obviously a gang or a crowd of like-minded low IQ people cannot accept individual opinions because that threatens the very ethos of the tribe or gang! Using words like communism, proletariat or sans culottes is an analogy to describe such behaviour what’s wrong with that? How bright are you in not understanding the use of an analogy with your confusion of thinking I am discussing communism?

I am not a hypocrite and I am not sure if you understand what hypocrisy is? You have employed the term to me but not thinking it through! When I use the word sheeple or chav it is used in retaliation but not originated by me which is massively different and why I cannot be a hypocrite. I am retaliating against abuse, I never initiated it and that is paramount! I will fight back, defending freedom and free speech. I am a libertarian which doesn’t make me a soft touch.

For someone as articulate as you claim to be, you have a very poor understanding of fascism, I am assuming you refer to Germany? Nazi means National Socialism (the clue is in the title)! There is very little difference between the evils of Nazism and Communism, both share the trait of brooking no free speech amongst many other evils and use authoritarian methods to achieve absolute power. Where they differ is in number of victims. Communism is responsible for many more tens of millions being killed in comparison to Fascism. I hope this explanation is lucid and erudite enough for you!
Can we all go for a IQ test together please. Rogeruk seems to think we all have a low IQ. I'm interested to see if he is right, I'm quite confident of doing well. I did get up to my 10 times table at school and once got the conundrum on countdown within 10 seconds.

Also, Roger, on a more serious note you seem to have a problem with peoples right to vote on here. Readers of the comments section are presented with 3 options upon reading others comments; to agree, to abstain or to disagree. Yet when multiple people choose the same option they are labelled as Sheeple. If you do not accept others opinions or do not accept that they have a right to vote and to express their behaviour, does this not imply that you have dictatorial behaviour characteristics?

#justasking

#sheeplearmy
I have no problem in people voting, I am in favour of it! Actually Hitler was voted into power by people of your mentality my view is different to yours!

I think giving someone a ‘thumbs up’ of 60 to somebody who calls somebody else a moron and imbecile for expressing his personal opinion is outrageous.

I am fully justified in calling 60 posters sheeple if they behave like that, it is intimidating, aggressive bullying and follows communist traits. If you have a problem with that it’s your problem. As long as you and your cohorts behave in this way expect more of the same.

My arguments and analogies are related to football, bullying shows its ugly head everywhere as does aggressive behaviour and thuggery which is why there are Yellow and Red cards.

If you're OK with this thuggery continuing then I am OK with lambasting you and your fellow sheeple! Can't be clearer than that!
Just to re-quote part of your response to me: "Hitler was voted into power by people of your mentality"
So what exactly is my mentality? And please provide evidence/justificati



on of this.
Simples; Because 60 people voted in praise of a fellow sheeple person i.e. the sheepler who called a Watford fan a moron and imbecile. His crime; merely stating his own personal and valid opinion about football. This is uncultured outrageous behaviour and completely out of order. The fact 60 of you followed along and commend him for doing it, shows clearly none of you are civilized or cultured and you go beyond the bounds of human decency.

People with exactly the same type of mentality would group together in numbers in Nazi Germany and persecute anyone who criticized Hitler, it started with bullying and asking for papers , as people got more and more scared Hitler and his thugs became more extreme until they gassed 6 million human beings many women and children.

As civilised society becomes more and more brainwashed, violence becomes the norm, computer games with gratuitous violence where gamers kill people with no sense of shame become desensitized to killing and violence, you may think that it an exaggeration but experience and history shows us civilization can only be a veneer, when it crumbles all hell breaks loose, the likes of which you cannot imagine.

People do things without thinking then regret it. After when it’s too late, hey say to themselves why did I do that? If people were to think everything through before doing something they would have a better chance of avoiding costly mistakes. The problem is when an almost entire generation is brainwashed by TV, Pop music and celebrity stalking, ‘X’ factor etc. they stop being a person, an individual with thoughts of their own, programed to do what they are told because they think its ‘cool’!

It’s so easy to go along with the crowd just because there are many of them and they can’t all be wrong can they? Yes they can! People take no responsibility for their own actions just because 60 people kill a person doesn’t make it right! The minority are the bravest they are willing to do anything to protect their freedoms.

Football is a good example of life in general it shares all the emotion, virtues and vices of life, it can be seen in a 90 minute game of football.
Freedom of speech and personal freedoms are precious and we are losing more freedoms every day! One day in the not too distant we will get to the point whereby you will need to be in possession of a Supermarket passport to buy food and water and if you don’t bow down to the dictator government and their thug police you and your family will starve to death. Do you know for instance in the UK 500 people have been killed in police custody in the last ten years and not one policeman has been made accountable?

What’s this got to do with football fans ? Everything. Villains like Murdoch make addictive TV flooding you with football and movies and taking your money, if you want to wise up and really understand what’s going on behind your back, read ‘A Brave new world’, a novel written in 1931 by Aldous Huxley.Set in London of AD 2540. Animal Farm and 1984 by George Orwell and if you can manage it a brilliant book by Aleksandra Solzhenitsyn called Cancer Ward and finally Franz Kafka ‘The Trial’.

I may be wasting my time telling you this but trust me you will be grateful when the Brown ‘stuff’ hits the fan as it surely will. You will learn things of which you have no understanding now. Start with Brave new world. If you don’t like reading there are movies available on the internet for all four books except Cancer Ward. If you go on this track you need an ‘open mind’ there will be stuff you don’t understand at first but if you stick with it will become clearer.

Suggest you start the next time Watford lose and you are in a state of depression like most Watford devotees.
I'm afraid, roger, I dispute numerous statements you make. I believe in another post you described 60 people voting in favour of the 'imbecile' quote as bullying and you damningly condemn the people who did it; I've got to say that's just ridiculous. It's not as if they're all flaming the guy, hurling abuse at him. I highly doubt the guy is gonna lose sleep over the fact that 60 people think he's an imbecile. The likelihood is he hasn't even seen it because he hasn't returned to this page. You could argue that it is the equivalent of 60 people calling that person an imbecile but you must admit, thumbs up on a comment has hardly the same effect. I doubt you care very much when someone insults you and they get thumbs up. So to call it 'outrageous behaviour' and bullying is quite an overreaction. In addition, they are simply expressing their opinion, are they not? And yet you insult them. It's a two way street when it comes to free speech roger. It's easy to see why you aren't a very likeable figure, given you insult peoples' intelligence based on unfounded assumptions about people you have never met. If there are lots of people who disagree with you, it is conceited and unreasonable to suggest they're all idiots and you're right. Of course you will disagree, however I hope you will understand that this is how it looks to the third person. I apologise if this insults you, however this is how I see it. By the way, regarding your later comments about hypocrisy, I would note that calling people hypocrites is one of the most circular arguments known to man, on a par with the 'you're argumentative' argument, because we have all been hypocritical at one point in our lives, so to accuse anyone else of being hypocritical is in itself hypocritical.
Why are you afraid? I’m not threatening you! Your standards of civility are very low, you endorse bullying, that sets us apart. You hypothesize to ridiculous effect saying the guy might not return to that page. What a completely idiotic argument!

You are using a single case to illustrate your point, I have been making these points for months on so many cases of bullying. Bad behaviour and bullying is acceptable to you so what’s the point of discussing with you we will never find common ground!

I don’t care if people insult me neither to I seek popularity I say it as I see it! There has been a dumbing down of society for years now I doubt you understand that, you are a classic example.

Your arguments are tiresome and wrong, you just don’t get it! I do not originate the insults, I retaliate! can you get that through your thick scull, there is a massive difference. Somebody asks me a question I answer it honestly then get lambasted for giving an answer. I do not live my life according to others and seeing the stereotype Chavs on this site is a good reason not too!

You are very confused with your hypocrisy argument once again you get it wrong! Someone called me a hypocrite and then demonstrated pure hypocrisy, I pointed this out to him as is my right. You attempt to manipulate the argument but ignoring the specifics and resort to generalizing. You have issues! Read you own script it’s pathetic and doesn't make sense on any level. You are like the bore at a party you know a little about everything and a lot about nothing!

Finally in order to maintain the interests of the reader you could at least write using paragraphs, you could start by working on that. Your idiotic comments demonstrate you have not read my posts or understood them, you will find all the all the information you require is already there.

I have not written this for your benefit you are boring, I cannot take you seriously it’s for the benefits of record to expose the stupidity and nonsensical comments you have rambled together.
[quote][p][bold]PozzoHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stoney77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stoney77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mellow yellow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: What an aggressive site this is, Nobody can make their heartfelt opinion without being called a Moron or Imbecile. What's wrong with you people? Seems many have issues which should be dealt with far away from a fans site. Can you not show the minimum of courtesy especially to those who don't post regularly! Obviously a game to forget, the jury is out on the new coach he needs about three months to mould his team before we can make valid judgements' on Sannino. That said he took on one horrible mess from Zola. On another note; Watford based on up-to-date attendances have the best attendance record of the Pozzo's clubs. So far average attendances are: Watford: 15614 Granada: 15302 Udinese: 11313 It's time to stop calling watford a small club, comparisons with Barcelona or Man U are not relevant but then how many premier clubs in Europe are? Watford's attendance compares favourably with the average club in the Main Four European premier leagues. When the new stand is built will regularly draw in 20000 in the premier maybe 25000. In Graham Taylor's golden years in the old Div 1 gates of 27000 were achieved. Watford if things go well will be the primary Pozzo club.[/p][/quote]If I remember correctly, you are the one who introduced the charming term 'sheeple' to this site, and regularly go off piste from a football topic with your anti communistic rants, which are, for your information, actually more correctly fascist observations. There are some on here, roger me ole mucker, who can be lucid and erudite (my favourite Sean Dyche word) without resorting to personal insults. You aren't one of them so to you one of MY favourite words: hypocrite. Have a nice day, now.[/p][/quote]Ouch ![/p][/quote]Where do I start? How can you be at one time both lucid and erudite and not resorting to personal insults followed by you have a favourite word Hypocrite which you apply to me for expressing my opinion? Can you see our problem in understanding your rather confused state? By accident you have supremely defined hypocrisy using yourself as a perfect example – Brilliant! Some of the most bigoted people on the planet have lived and continue to live in South Africa, there are so many fascists living there its surprising you cannot see the similarities in both ideologies! I will not accept you calling me a hypocrite because it is simply not true. You call yourself lucid and erudite but you are anything but! You are confused and single minded! It’s also not a nice trait to compliment yourself in writing with your own perceived qualities. I own up to introducing the term sheeple because that’s what they are, only this morning someone is called a Moron and Imbecile and he gets about 60 thumbs down. If that’s not sheeple behaviour then what the hell is? Here you are confused and very wrong is misunderstanding or manipulating the argument of calling somebody a racist or fascist only because you cannot elucidate a counter argument. This has been common practice in the UK under New Labour and in the US under the Democrats, e.g. if you criticize Obama for anything Democrats call you a racist! New Labour killed free speech in the UK where we now resort to putting people in prison for making non PC comments on a tram. This is dangerous territory and I for one am doing everything I can to fight it! Sheeple behaviour is tribe or gang orientated usually appealing to low IQ persons who are low on self-esteem and feel empowered in numbers. Their employ colloquial language like, Plonker and mental and so on to insult people, or alternatively to curb free speech or bully people for having an alternative opinion, which demonstrates individuality and the very opposite of sheeple culture where the power comes from the crowd or safety in numbers! This is common behaviour here where people gang up against individuals. You apparently endorse this behaviour! Obviously a gang or a crowd of like-minded low IQ people cannot accept individual opinions because that threatens the very ethos of the tribe or gang! Using words like communism, proletariat or sans culottes is an analogy to describe such behaviour what’s wrong with that? How bright are you in not understanding the use of an analogy with your confusion of thinking I am discussing communism? I am not a hypocrite and I am not sure if you understand what hypocrisy is? You have employed the term to me but not thinking it through! When I use the word sheeple or chav it is used in retaliation but not originated by me which is massively different and why I cannot be a hypocrite. I am retaliating against abuse, I never initiated it and that is paramount! I will fight back, defending freedom and free speech. I am a libertarian which doesn’t make me a soft touch. For someone as articulate as you claim to be, you have a very poor understanding of fascism, I am assuming you refer to Germany? Nazi means National Socialism (the clue is in the title)! There is very little difference between the evils of Nazism and Communism, both share the trait of brooking no free speech amongst many other evils and use authoritarian methods to achieve absolute power. Where they differ is in number of victims. Communism is responsible for many more tens of millions being killed in comparison to Fascism. I hope this explanation is lucid and erudite enough for you![/p][/quote]Can we all go for a IQ test together please. Rogeruk seems to think we all have a low IQ. I'm interested to see if he is right, I'm quite confident of doing well. I did get up to my 10 times table at school and once got the conundrum on countdown within 10 seconds. Also, Roger, on a more serious note you seem to have a problem with peoples right to vote on here. Readers of the comments section are presented with 3 options upon reading others comments; to agree, to abstain or to disagree. Yet when multiple people choose the same option they are labelled as Sheeple. If you do not accept others opinions or do not accept that they have a right to vote and to express their behaviour, does this not imply that you have dictatorial behaviour characteristics? #justasking #sheeplearmy[/p][/quote]I have no problem in people voting, I am in favour of it! Actually Hitler was voted into power by people of your mentality my view is different to yours! I think giving someone a ‘thumbs up’ of 60 to somebody who calls somebody else a moron and imbecile for expressing his personal opinion is outrageous. I am fully justified in calling 60 posters sheeple if they behave like that, it is intimidating, aggressive bullying and follows communist traits. If you have a problem with that it’s your problem. As long as you and your cohorts behave in this way expect more of the same. My arguments and analogies are related to football, bullying shows its ugly head everywhere as does aggressive behaviour and thuggery which is why there are Yellow and Red cards. If you're OK with this thuggery continuing then I am OK with lambasting you and your fellow sheeple! Can't be clearer than that![/p][/quote]Just to re-quote part of your response to me: "Hitler was voted into power by people of your mentality" So what exactly is my mentality? And please provide evidence/justificati on of this.[/p][/quote]Simples; Because 60 people voted in praise of a fellow sheeple person i.e. the sheepler who called a Watford fan a moron and imbecile. His crime; merely stating his own personal and valid opinion about football. This is uncultured outrageous behaviour and completely out of order. The fact 60 of you followed along and commend him for doing it, shows clearly none of you are civilized or cultured and you go beyond the bounds of human decency. People with exactly the same type of mentality would group together in numbers in Nazi Germany and persecute anyone who criticized Hitler, it started with bullying and asking for papers , as people got more and more scared Hitler and his thugs became more extreme until they gassed 6 million human beings many women and children. As civilised society becomes more and more brainwashed, violence becomes the norm, computer games with gratuitous violence where gamers kill people with no sense of shame become desensitized to killing and violence, you may think that it an exaggeration but experience and history shows us civilization can only be a veneer, when it crumbles all hell breaks loose, the likes of which you cannot imagine. People do things without thinking then regret it. After when it’s too late, hey say to themselves why did I do that? If people were to think everything through before doing something they would have a better chance of avoiding costly mistakes. The problem is when an almost entire generation is brainwashed by TV, Pop music and celebrity stalking, ‘X’ factor etc. they stop being a person, an individual with thoughts of their own, programed to do what they are told because they think its ‘cool’! It’s so easy to go along with the crowd just because there are many of them and they can’t all be wrong can they? Yes they can! People take no responsibility for their own actions just because 60 people kill a person doesn’t make it right! The minority are the bravest they are willing to do anything to protect their freedoms. Football is a good example of life in general it shares all the emotion, virtues and vices of life, it can be seen in a 90 minute game of football. Freedom of speech and personal freedoms are precious and we are losing more freedoms every day! One day in the not too distant we will get to the point whereby you will need to be in possession of a Supermarket passport to buy food and water and if you don’t bow down to the dictator government and their thug police you and your family will starve to death. Do you know for instance in the UK 500 people have been killed in police custody in the last ten years and not one policeman has been made accountable? What’s this got to do with football fans ? Everything. Villains like Murdoch make addictive TV flooding you with football and movies and taking your money, if you want to wise up and really understand what’s going on behind your back, read ‘A Brave new world’, a novel written in 1931 by Aldous Huxley.Set in London of AD 2540. Animal Farm and 1984 by George Orwell and if you can manage it a brilliant book by Aleksandra Solzhenitsyn called Cancer Ward and finally Franz Kafka ‘The Trial’. I may be wasting my time telling you this but trust me you will be grateful when the Brown ‘stuff’ hits the fan as it surely will. You will learn things of which you have no understanding now. Start with Brave new world. If you don’t like reading there are movies available on the internet for all four books except Cancer Ward. If you go on this track you need an ‘open mind’ there will be stuff you don’t understand at first but if you stick with it will become clearer. Suggest you start the next time Watford lose and you are in a state of depression like most Watford devotees.[/p][/quote]I'm afraid, roger, I dispute numerous statements you make. I believe in another post you described 60 people voting in favour of the 'imbecile' quote as bullying and you damningly condemn the people who did it; I've got to say that's just ridiculous. It's not as if they're all flaming the guy, hurling abuse at him. I highly doubt the guy is gonna lose sleep over the fact that 60 people think he's an imbecile. The likelihood is he hasn't even seen it because he hasn't returned to this page. You could argue that it is the equivalent of 60 people calling that person an imbecile but you must admit, thumbs up on a comment has hardly the same effect. I doubt you care very much when someone insults you and they get thumbs up. So to call it 'outrageous behaviour' and bullying is quite an overreaction. In addition, they are simply expressing their opinion, are they not? And yet you insult them. It's a two way street when it comes to free speech roger. It's easy to see why you aren't a very likeable figure, given you insult peoples' intelligence based on unfounded assumptions about people you have never met. If there are lots of people who disagree with you, it is conceited and unreasonable to suggest they're all idiots and you're right. Of course you will disagree, however I hope you will understand that this is how it looks to the third person. I apologise if this insults you, however this is how I see it. By the way, regarding your later comments about hypocrisy, I would note that calling people hypocrites is one of the most circular arguments known to man, on a par with the 'you're argumentative' argument, because we have all been hypocritical at one point in our lives, so to accuse anyone else of being hypocritical is in itself hypocritical.[/p][/quote]Why are you afraid? I’m not threatening you! Your standards of civility are very low, you endorse bullying, that sets us apart. You hypothesize to ridiculous effect saying the guy might not return to that page. What a completely idiotic argument! You are using a single case to illustrate your point, I have been making these points for months on so many cases of bullying. Bad behaviour and bullying is acceptable to you so what’s the point of discussing with you we will never find common ground! I don’t care if people insult me neither to I seek popularity I say it as I see it! There has been a dumbing down of society for years now I doubt you understand that, you are a classic example. Your arguments are tiresome and wrong, you just don’t get it! I do not originate the insults, I retaliate! can you get that through your thick scull, there is a massive difference. Somebody asks me a question I answer it honestly then get lambasted for giving an answer. I do not live my life according to others and seeing the stereotype Chavs on this site is a good reason not too! You are very confused with your hypocrisy argument once again you get it wrong! Someone called me a hypocrite and then demonstrated pure hypocrisy, I pointed this out to him as is my right. You attempt to manipulate the argument but ignoring the specifics and resort to generalizing. You have issues! Read you own script it’s pathetic and doesn't make sense on any level. You are like the bore at a party you know a little about everything and a lot about nothing! Finally in order to maintain the interests of the reader you could at least write using paragraphs, you could start by working on that. Your idiotic comments demonstrate you have not read my posts or understood them, you will find all the all the information you require is already there. I have not written this for your benefit you are boring, I cannot take you seriously it’s for the benefits of record to expose the stupidity and nonsensical comments you have rambled together. rogeruk

6:55am Mon 6 Jan 14

rogeruk says...

JonBoy wrote:
I think Roger disappeared up his own ringpiece I mean what kid of person feels the need to explain his background. If you're a secure, successful person you don't rise to the bait and you certainly don't feel the need to brag in public.
What an uncultured vulgar human you are! You bring things down to the lowest level. Get it through your thick skull I was asked a question and answered it, that's how it works. I notice other people don't answer questions because they have self-esteem issues as do you.

I did not volunteer information and stated specifically I was not bragging! What do you want me to do dumb down facts just to get through to people of your limited intelligence and make you feel good about yourself! You’re a loser in a world of losers which is why you feel secure in that environment of the gutter you inhabit!

Its obvious you live your life at the level of the gutter!
Do not expect all people to join you. I know its feels comfortable down there with your fellow Chavs it’s your insecurity that makes you want to 'big it' on a gutter level with your other nondescript mates as you call them!
[quote][p][bold]JonBoy[/bold] wrote: I think Roger disappeared up his own ringpiece I mean what kid of person feels the need to explain his background. If you're a secure, successful person you don't rise to the bait and you certainly don't feel the need to brag in public.[/p][/quote]What an uncultured vulgar human you are! You bring things down to the lowest level. Get it through your thick skull I was asked a question and answered it, that's how it works. I notice other people don't answer questions because they have self-esteem issues as do you. I did not volunteer information and stated specifically I was not bragging! What do you want me to do dumb down facts just to get through to people of your limited intelligence and make you feel good about yourself! You’re a loser in a world of losers which is why you feel secure in that environment of the gutter you inhabit! Its obvious you live your life at the level of the gutter! Do not expect all people to join you. I know its feels comfortable down there with your fellow Chavs it’s your insecurity that makes you want to 'big it' on a gutter level with your other nondescript mates as you call them! rogeruk

7:05am Mon 6 Jan 14

rogeruk says...

Harry's Bar wrote:
mickallen57 wrote:
honest-view wrote:
I have never had to read so much drivel in all my days.
Children do not like getting someone arguing and like to be the better.
It reads just like that.
Please just good old football comments please
Couldn't agree more, I have posted many times on abusive behaviour .I cannot understand it. Surely we are all Watford fans and as such should respect each others views .
I come to this site to be informed of the latest news and to listen to the views of the fans on this site. We are not all going to agree but lets debate the point not get dragged into a slagging match . Different opinions make life interesting. If you can't debate the point and have to resort to name calling I believe Luton F.C. have a site that might be more to your taste. Come on lads get a grip we are all in this together COYH
I have just read through the entire thread and personally found it most entertaining. I am intrigued by Roger, is he a multi national, multi lingual businessman, or has he been sectioned under the Mental Health Act. I honestly have no idea. Great fun though (if you take the offensive comments with a pinch of salt).
Another one who seeks solace in numbers! Every one of your statements contradicts the other, you crave the OK from your fellow chavs to give you some type of credence. If you were even a tiny bit intelligent you could at least use an original insult not resorting to the standard Chav retort, mental, Plonker and so on!

What does it feel like to wake up in the morning and look in the mirror, not good heh? Staring back at you is that loser Chav face forcing you to live a life of denial, don’t blame you though, if I was you (God forbid) I would probably do the same or you could end it all and do the world a favour!
[quote][p][bold]Harry's Bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mickallen57[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]honest-view[/bold] wrote: I have never had to read so much drivel in all my days. Children do not like getting someone arguing and like to be the better. It reads just like that. Please just good old football comments please[/p][/quote]Couldn't agree more, I have posted many times on abusive behaviour .I cannot understand it. Surely we are all Watford fans and as such should respect each others views . I come to this site to be informed of the latest news and to listen to the views of the fans on this site. We are not all going to agree but lets debate the point not get dragged into a slagging match . Different opinions make life interesting. If you can't debate the point and have to resort to name calling I believe Luton F.C. have a site that might be more to your taste. Come on lads get a grip we are all in this together COYH[/p][/quote]I have just read through the entire thread and personally found it most entertaining. I am intrigued by Roger, is he a multi national, multi lingual businessman, or has he been sectioned under the Mental Health Act. I honestly have no idea. Great fun though (if you take the offensive comments with a pinch of salt).[/p][/quote]Another one who seeks solace in numbers! Every one of your statements contradicts the other, you crave the OK from your fellow chavs to give you some type of credence. If you were even a tiny bit intelligent you could at least use an original insult not resorting to the standard Chav retort, mental, Plonker and so on! What does it feel like to wake up in the morning and look in the mirror, not good heh? Staring back at you is that loser Chav face forcing you to live a life of denial, don’t blame you though, if I was you (God forbid) I would probably do the same or you could end it all and do the world a favour! rogeruk

7:44am Mon 6 Jan 14

mellow yellow says...

rogeruk wrote:
Harry's Bar wrote:
mickallen57 wrote:
honest-view wrote:
I have never had to read so much drivel in all my days.
Children do not like getting someone arguing and like to be the better.
It reads just like that.
Please just good old football comments please
Couldn't agree more, I have posted many times on abusive behaviour .I cannot understand it. Surely we are all Watford fans and as such should respect each others views .
I come to this site to be informed of the latest news and to listen to the views of the fans on this site. We are not all going to agree but lets debate the point not get dragged into a slagging match . Different opinions make life interesting. If you can't debate the point and have to resort to name calling I believe Luton F.C. have a site that might be more to your taste. Come on lads get a grip we are all in this together COYH
I have just read through the entire thread and personally found it most entertaining. I am intrigued by Roger, is he a multi national, multi lingual businessman, or has he been sectioned under the Mental Health Act. I honestly have no idea. Great fun though (if you take the offensive comments with a pinch of salt).
Another one who seeks solace in numbers! Every one of your statements contradicts the other, you crave the OK from your fellow chavs to give you some type of credence. If you were even a tiny bit intelligent you could at least use an original insult not resorting to the standard Chav retort, mental, Plonker and so on!

What does it feel like to wake up in the morning and look in the mirror, not good heh? Staring back at you is that loser Chav face forcing you to live a life of denial, don’t blame you though, if I was you (God forbid) I would probably do the same or you could end it all and do the world a favour!
Roger, I have three questions for you.
1. What do you mean by Chav?
2. How do you think others perceive you?
3. What are you views on Watford playing two central defenders as wing backs in their last game?

With love
Mellow
[quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harry's Bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mickallen57[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]honest-view[/bold] wrote: I have never had to read so much drivel in all my days. Children do not like getting someone arguing and like to be the better. It reads just like that. Please just good old football comments please[/p][/quote]Couldn't agree more, I have posted many times on abusive behaviour .I cannot understand it. Surely we are all Watford fans and as such should respect each others views . I come to this site to be informed of the latest news and to listen to the views of the fans on this site. We are not all going to agree but lets debate the point not get dragged into a slagging match . Different opinions make life interesting. If you can't debate the point and have to resort to name calling I believe Luton F.C. have a site that might be more to your taste. Come on lads get a grip we are all in this together COYH[/p][/quote]I have just read through the entire thread and personally found it most entertaining. I am intrigued by Roger, is he a multi national, multi lingual businessman, or has he been sectioned under the Mental Health Act. I honestly have no idea. Great fun though (if you take the offensive comments with a pinch of salt).[/p][/quote]Another one who seeks solace in numbers! Every one of your statements contradicts the other, you crave the OK from your fellow chavs to give you some type of credence. If you were even a tiny bit intelligent you could at least use an original insult not resorting to the standard Chav retort, mental, Plonker and so on! What does it feel like to wake up in the morning and look in the mirror, not good heh? Staring back at you is that loser Chav face forcing you to live a life of denial, don’t blame you though, if I was you (God forbid) I would probably do the same or you could end it all and do the world a favour![/p][/quote]Roger, I have three questions for you. 1. What do you mean by Chav? 2. How do you think others perceive you? 3. What are you views on Watford playing two central defenders as wing backs in their last game? With love Mellow mellow yellow

11:42am Mon 6 Jan 14

Harry's Bar says...

rogeruk wrote:
Harry's Bar wrote:
mickallen57 wrote:
honest-view wrote:
I have never had to read so much drivel in all my days.
Children do not like getting someone arguing and like to be the better.
It reads just like that.
Please just good old football comments please
Couldn't agree more, I have posted many times on abusive behaviour .I cannot understand it. Surely we are all Watford fans and as such should respect each others views .
I come to this site to be informed of the latest news and to listen to the views of the fans on this site. We are not all going to agree but lets debate the point not get dragged into a slagging match . Different opinions make life interesting. If you can't debate the point and have to resort to name calling I believe Luton F.C. have a site that might be more to your taste. Come on lads get a grip we are all in this together COYH
I have just read through the entire thread and personally found it most entertaining. I am intrigued by Roger, is he a multi national, multi lingual businessman, or has he been sectioned under the Mental Health Act. I honestly have no idea. Great fun though (if you take the offensive comments with a pinch of salt).
Another one who seeks solace in numbers! Every one of your statements contradicts the other, you crave the OK from your fellow chavs to give you some type of credence. If you were even a tiny bit intelligent you could at least use an original insult not resorting to the standard Chav retort, mental, Plonker and so on!

What does it feel like to wake up in the morning and look in the mirror, not good heh? Staring back at you is that loser Chav face forcing you to live a life of denial, don’t blame you though, if I was you (God forbid) I would probably do the same or you could end it all and do the world a favour!
Roger, seriously, do me a favour, go and see your GP.
[quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harry's Bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mickallen57[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]honest-view[/bold] wrote: I have never had to read so much drivel in all my days. Children do not like getting someone arguing and like to be the better. It reads just like that. Please just good old football comments please[/p][/quote]Couldn't agree more, I have posted many times on abusive behaviour .I cannot understand it. Surely we are all Watford fans and as such should respect each others views . I come to this site to be informed of the latest news and to listen to the views of the fans on this site. We are not all going to agree but lets debate the point not get dragged into a slagging match . Different opinions make life interesting. If you can't debate the point and have to resort to name calling I believe Luton F.C. have a site that might be more to your taste. Come on lads get a grip we are all in this together COYH[/p][/quote]I have just read through the entire thread and personally found it most entertaining. I am intrigued by Roger, is he a multi national, multi lingual businessman, or has he been sectioned under the Mental Health Act. I honestly have no idea. Great fun though (if you take the offensive comments with a pinch of salt).[/p][/quote]Another one who seeks solace in numbers! Every one of your statements contradicts the other, you crave the OK from your fellow chavs to give you some type of credence. If you were even a tiny bit intelligent you could at least use an original insult not resorting to the standard Chav retort, mental, Plonker and so on! What does it feel like to wake up in the morning and look in the mirror, not good heh? Staring back at you is that loser Chav face forcing you to live a life of denial, don’t blame you though, if I was you (God forbid) I would probably do the same or you could end it all and do the world a favour![/p][/quote]Roger, seriously, do me a favour, go and see your GP. Harry's Bar

12:17pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Stoney77 says...

rogeruk wrote:
Harry's Bar wrote:
mickallen57 wrote:
honest-view wrote:
I have never had to read so much drivel in all my days.
Children do not like getting someone arguing and like to be the better.
It reads just like that.
Please just good old football comments please
Couldn't agree more, I have posted many times on abusive behaviour .I cannot understand it. Surely we are all Watford fans and as such should respect each others views .
I come to this site to be informed of the latest news and to listen to the views of the fans on this site. We are not all going to agree but lets debate the point not get dragged into a slagging match . Different opinions make life interesting. If you can't debate the point and have to resort to name calling I believe Luton F.C. have a site that might be more to your taste. Come on lads get a grip we are all in this together COYH
I have just read through the entire thread and personally found it most entertaining. I am intrigued by Roger, is he a multi national, multi lingual businessman, or has he been sectioned under the Mental Health Act. I honestly have no idea. Great fun though (if you take the offensive comments with a pinch of salt).
Another one who seeks solace in numbers! Every one of your statements contradicts the other, you crave the OK from your fellow chavs to give you some type of credence. If you were even a tiny bit intelligent you could at least use an original insult not resorting to the standard Chav retort, mental, Plonker and so on!

What does it feel like to wake up in the morning and look in the mirror, not good heh? Staring back at you is that loser Chav face forcing you to live a life of denial, don’t blame you though, if I was you (God forbid) I would probably do the same or you could end it all and do the world a favour!
There are very very few times in life where use of the c word is justified in public. In my opinion it Is one of the most powerful words in our vocabulary, particularly with regards to the reactions that the use of the word can cause.

Judging by your comments, Roger, you appear to live on a moral high ground all of your own and come across as a very sanctimonious person.

The only people that you have not insulted on this 'forum' are those that agreed with you with regards to Zolas departure, indeed some comments you made toward them regarding you all coming together as freedom warriors or whatever was encouraging sheeple-ism, don't you think?

Anyhow, I digress; in your last post you have just implied that someone, whom you insinuate has self esteem issues, should kill themselves to make the world a better place........yet you have the cheek to call other peoples behaviour as vulgar?.....

.....What a F++KING VILE, DISGUSTING, C+++ you are to say such a thing. What a horrible piece of 5hit you've become in life, however old you are. There is no other word but the c word to describe someone who goads another person to take their own life.

Finally, you know that most people on here, regardless of their differences would probably be happy to meet up and have a beer or something given the chance. But you'd be the only one who wouldn't. Of course, you'll say 'but why would I want to meet up with Chavs like you"..... Truth is though, you wouldn't have the guts.

C - - T.
[quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harry's Bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mickallen57[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]honest-view[/bold] wrote: I have never had to read so much drivel in all my days. Children do not like getting someone arguing and like to be the better. It reads just like that. Please just good old football comments please[/p][/quote]Couldn't agree more, I have posted many times on abusive behaviour .I cannot understand it. Surely we are all Watford fans and as such should respect each others views . I come to this site to be informed of the latest news and to listen to the views of the fans on this site. We are not all going to agree but lets debate the point not get dragged into a slagging match . Different opinions make life interesting. If you can't debate the point and have to resort to name calling I believe Luton F.C. have a site that might be more to your taste. Come on lads get a grip we are all in this together COYH[/p][/quote]I have just read through the entire thread and personally found it most entertaining. I am intrigued by Roger, is he a multi national, multi lingual businessman, or has he been sectioned under the Mental Health Act. I honestly have no idea. Great fun though (if you take the offensive comments with a pinch of salt).[/p][/quote]Another one who seeks solace in numbers! Every one of your statements contradicts the other, you crave the OK from your fellow chavs to give you some type of credence. If you were even a tiny bit intelligent you could at least use an original insult not resorting to the standard Chav retort, mental, Plonker and so on! What does it feel like to wake up in the morning and look in the mirror, not good heh? Staring back at you is that loser Chav face forcing you to live a life of denial, don’t blame you though, if I was you (God forbid) I would probably do the same or you could end it all and do the world a favour![/p][/quote]There are very very few times in life where use of the c word is justified in public. In my opinion it Is one of the most powerful words in our vocabulary, particularly with regards to the reactions that the use of the word can cause. Judging by your comments, Roger, you appear to live on a moral high ground all of your own and come across as a very sanctimonious person. The only people that you have not insulted on this 'forum' are those that agreed with you with regards to Zolas departure, indeed some comments you made toward them regarding you all coming together as freedom warriors or whatever was encouraging sheeple-ism, don't you think? Anyhow, I digress; in your last post you have just implied that someone, whom you insinuate has self esteem issues, should kill themselves to make the world a better place........yet you have the cheek to call other peoples behaviour as vulgar?..... .....What a F++KING VILE, DISGUSTING, C+++ you are to say such a thing. What a horrible piece of 5hit you've become in life, however old you are. There is no other word but the c word to describe someone who goads another person to take their own life. Finally, you know that most people on here, regardless of their differences would probably be happy to meet up and have a beer or something given the chance. But you'd be the only one who wouldn't. Of course, you'll say 'but why would I want to meet up with Chavs like you"..... Truth is though, you wouldn't have the guts. C - - T. Stoney77

12:43pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Hornet Cornet says...

Hae I missed anything?

Anyone glad to see me back?
HC
Hae I missed anything? Anyone glad to see me back? HC Hornet Cornet

1:28pm Mon 6 Jan 14

honest-view says...

You lot still at it .
IT IS VERY BORING
You lot still at it . IT IS VERY BORING honest-view

4:15pm Mon 6 Jan 14

rogeruk says...

Stoney77 wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
Harry's Bar wrote:
mickallen57 wrote:
honest-view wrote:
I have never had to read so much drivel in all my days.
Children do not like getting someone arguing and like to be the better.
It reads just like that.
Please just good old football comments please
Couldn't agree more, I have posted many times on abusive behaviour .I cannot understand it. Surely we are all Watford fans and as such should respect each others views .
I come to this site to be informed of the latest news and to listen to the views of the fans on this site. We are not all going to agree but lets debate the point not get dragged into a slagging match . Different opinions make life interesting. If you can't debate the point and have to resort to name calling I believe Luton F.C. have a site that might be more to your taste. Come on lads get a grip we are all in this together COYH
I have just read through the entire thread and personally found it most entertaining. I am intrigued by Roger, is he a multi national, multi lingual businessman, or has he been sectioned under the Mental Health Act. I honestly have no idea. Great fun though (if you take the offensive comments with a pinch of salt).
Another one who seeks solace in numbers! Every one of your statements contradicts the other, you crave the OK from your fellow chavs to give you some type of credence. If you were even a tiny bit intelligent you could at least use an original insult not resorting to the standard Chav retort, mental, Plonker and so on!

What does it feel like to wake up in the morning and look in the mirror, not good heh? Staring back at you is that loser Chav face forcing you to live a life of denial, don’t blame you though, if I was you (God forbid) I would probably do the same or you could end it all and do the world a favour!
There are very very few times in life where use of the c word is justified in public. In my opinion it Is one of the most powerful words in our vocabulary, particularly with regards to the reactions that the use of the word can cause.

Judging by your comments, Roger, you appear to live on a moral high ground all of your own and come across as a very sanctimonious person.

The only people that you have not insulted on this 'forum' are those that agreed with you with regards to Zolas departure, indeed some comments you made toward them regarding you all coming together as freedom warriors or whatever was encouraging sheeple-ism, don't you think?

Anyhow, I digress; in your last post you have just implied that someone, whom you insinuate has self esteem issues, should kill themselves to make the world a better place........yet you have the cheek to call other peoples behaviour as vulgar?.....

.....What a F++KING VILE, DISGUSTING, C+++ you are to say such a thing. What a horrible piece of 5hit you've become in life, however old you are. There is no other word but the c word to describe someone who goads another person to take their own life.

Finally, you know that most people on here, regardless of their differences would probably be happy to meet up and have a beer or something given the chance. But you'd be the only one who wouldn't. Of course, you'll say 'but why would I want to meet up with Chavs like you"..... Truth is though, you wouldn't have the guts.

C - - T.
What a sanctimonious vulgar lewd piece of work you are! All of you and your kind are into wind ups but when somebody winds up one of your ilk you react like typical bullies – you can’t take it. You are a bunch of total hypocrites! You stick to together like dung in a pig sty and that’s really not fair to pigs. As to your opinion it has no credence and is therefore worthless!

Stop playing the false caring mate of another Chav, you also use the word goad in the wrong context. Why can’t he defend himself? I have seen in town centres like Watford such appalling drunken and brutish behaviour the type you are capable of, Police have told me these are the type of people who should be put down at birth!

I wanted to prove three things and succeeded on all three:

1. How easy it is to wind up ‘wind up merchants’
2. How easy it is to beat them ‘at their own game’
3. How to achieve a reaction without resorting to Chav language and barbarian behaviour with use of profane words like F & C.

Neither do I buy into your pious argument about a few times there is a reason to use the C word in public, you do it all the time. Its the way of life of living in the gutter.

Who in their right mind would want to spend any time with you or the mates you purport to defend, I have said many times so finally get it into one of your two brain cells, I am completely indifferent to you and your profane insults, you are gutter trash, as to wanting to be popular! What with you lot the biggest bunch of losers ever gathered on this site!

I understand why Zola received such support from you losers you comfort each other in this horrible world –diddum’s!

I am telling you now you and your bunch of cronies stop bullying innocent posters on here, you are bullies, you don’t tolerate other people’s opinions and that is not acceptable best you stay of this site and spiel your poison where it will be more tolerable like Broadmoor!

I have shown to you in an urbane way with power of intellect. English is so much more powerful than visceral responses with lewd behaviour, profanity and bullying. However, I suspect that will be totally lost on you.

On football matters, you childishly say I don’t insult people who agree with me, wrong! I don’t insult people unless they insult me first! I don’t originate insults, I retaliate!

Secondly the people you refer are civilized and don’t behave like you and your bunch of cronies! I enjoy disagreement only by accepting other peoples views can you get an insight and sometime learn things, however, those people are different to you and your cohorts!

I wrote a piece on football about attendances and Watford’s future, not one of you cronies responded or contributed to the post with a football comment, it was received with insult after insult from your mates.

You need to understand there is more than one way to live your life and there are many who don’t like your life style in the gutter with every second word being an F or a C, the constant insults and wind ups. You are full of yourself in pretending to take the 'high' ground' which is laughable considerable you actually live a life in the lower gutters.

As with all Bullies you give it but can’t take it! I am ready to deal with all of you until you stop this aggressive behaviour to other posters so carry on I am not going away! If you or your mates want to carry on the insults be prepared for retaliation you will get back more than you give I promise you!
[quote][p][bold]Stoney77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harry's Bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mickallen57[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]honest-view[/bold] wrote: I have never had to read so much drivel in all my days. Children do not like getting someone arguing and like to be the better. It reads just like that. Please just good old football comments please[/p][/quote]Couldn't agree more, I have posted many times on abusive behaviour .I cannot understand it. Surely we are all Watford fans and as such should respect each others views . I come to this site to be informed of the latest news and to listen to the views of the fans on this site. We are not all going to agree but lets debate the point not get dragged into a slagging match . Different opinions make life interesting. If you can't debate the point and have to resort to name calling I believe Luton F.C. have a site that might be more to your taste. Come on lads get a grip we are all in this together COYH[/p][/quote]I have just read through the entire thread and personally found it most entertaining. I am intrigued by Roger, is he a multi national, multi lingual businessman, or has he been sectioned under the Mental Health Act. I honestly have no idea. Great fun though (if you take the offensive comments with a pinch of salt).[/p][/quote]Another one who seeks solace in numbers! Every one of your statements contradicts the other, you crave the OK from your fellow chavs to give you some type of credence. If you were even a tiny bit intelligent you could at least use an original insult not resorting to the standard Chav retort, mental, Plonker and so on! What does it feel like to wake up in the morning and look in the mirror, not good heh? Staring back at you is that loser Chav face forcing you to live a life of denial, don’t blame you though, if I was you (God forbid) I would probably do the same or you could end it all and do the world a favour![/p][/quote]There are very very few times in life where use of the c word is justified in public. In my opinion it Is one of the most powerful words in our vocabulary, particularly with regards to the reactions that the use of the word can cause. Judging by your comments, Roger, you appear to live on a moral high ground all of your own and come across as a very sanctimonious person. The only people that you have not insulted on this 'forum' are those that agreed with you with regards to Zolas departure, indeed some comments you made toward them regarding you all coming together as freedom warriors or whatever was encouraging sheeple-ism, don't you think? Anyhow, I digress; in your last post you have just implied that someone, whom you insinuate has self esteem issues, should kill themselves to make the world a better place........yet you have the cheek to call other peoples behaviour as vulgar?..... .....What a F++KING VILE, DISGUSTING, C+++ you are to say such a thing. What a horrible piece of 5hit you've become in life, however old you are. There is no other word but the c word to describe someone who goads another person to take their own life. Finally, you know that most people on here, regardless of their differences would probably be happy to meet up and have a beer or something given the chance. But you'd be the only one who wouldn't. Of course, you'll say 'but why would I want to meet up with Chavs like you"..... Truth is though, you wouldn't have the guts. C - - T.[/p][/quote]What a sanctimonious vulgar lewd piece of work you are! All of you and your kind are into wind ups but when somebody winds up one of your ilk you react like typical bullies – you can’t take it. You are a bunch of total hypocrites! You stick to together like dung in a pig sty and that’s really not fair to pigs. As to your opinion it has no credence and is therefore worthless! Stop playing the false caring mate of another Chav, you also use the word goad in the wrong context. Why can’t he defend himself? I have seen in town centres like Watford such appalling drunken and brutish behaviour the type you are capable of, Police have told me these are the type of people who should be put down at birth! I wanted to prove three things and succeeded on all three: 1. How easy it is to wind up ‘wind up merchants’ 2. How easy it is to beat them ‘at their own game’ 3. How to achieve a reaction without resorting to Chav language and barbarian behaviour with use of profane words like F & C. Neither do I buy into your pious argument about a few times there is a reason to use the C word in public, you do it all the time. Its the way of life of living in the gutter. Who in their right mind would want to spend any time with you or the mates you purport to defend, I have said many times so finally get it into one of your two brain cells, I am completely indifferent to you and your profane insults, you are gutter trash, as to wanting to be popular! What with you lot the biggest bunch of losers ever gathered on this site! I understand why Zola received such support from you losers you comfort each other in this horrible world –diddum’s! I am telling you now you and your bunch of cronies stop bullying innocent posters on here, you are bullies, you don’t tolerate other people’s opinions and that is not acceptable best you stay of this site and spiel your poison where it will be more tolerable like Broadmoor! I have shown to you in an urbane way with power of intellect. English is so much more powerful than visceral responses with lewd behaviour, profanity and bullying. However, I suspect that will be totally lost on you. On football matters, you childishly say I don’t insult people who agree with me, wrong! I don’t insult people unless they insult me first! I don’t originate insults, I retaliate! Secondly the people you refer are civilized and don’t behave like you and your bunch of cronies! I enjoy disagreement only by accepting other peoples views can you get an insight and sometime learn things, however, those people are different to you and your cohorts! I wrote a piece on football about attendances and Watford’s future, not one of you cronies responded or contributed to the post with a football comment, it was received with insult after insult from your mates. You need to understand there is more than one way to live your life and there are many who don’t like your life style in the gutter with every second word being an F or a C, the constant insults and wind ups. You are full of yourself in pretending to take the 'high' ground' which is laughable considerable you actually live a life in the lower gutters. As with all Bullies you give it but can’t take it! I am ready to deal with all of you until you stop this aggressive behaviour to other posters so carry on I am not going away! If you or your mates want to carry on the insults be prepared for retaliation you will get back more than you give I promise you! rogeruk

4:25pm Mon 6 Jan 14

rogeruk says...

mellow yellow wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
Harry's Bar wrote:
mickallen57 wrote:
honest-view wrote:
I have never had to read so much drivel in all my days.
Children do not like getting someone arguing and like to be the better.
It reads just like that.
Please just good old football comments please
Couldn't agree more, I have posted many times on abusive behaviour .I cannot understand it. Surely we are all Watford fans and as such should respect each others views .
I come to this site to be informed of the latest news and to listen to the views of the fans on this site. We are not all going to agree but lets debate the point not get dragged into a slagging match . Different opinions make life interesting. If you can't debate the point and have to resort to name calling I believe Luton F.C. have a site that might be more to your taste. Come on lads get a grip we are all in this together COYH
I have just read through the entire thread and personally found it most entertaining. I am intrigued by Roger, is he a multi national, multi lingual businessman, or has he been sectioned under the Mental Health Act. I honestly have no idea. Great fun though (if you take the offensive comments with a pinch of salt).
Another one who seeks solace in numbers! Every one of your statements contradicts the other, you crave the OK from your fellow chavs to give you some type of credence. If you were even a tiny bit intelligent you could at least use an original insult not resorting to the standard Chav retort, mental, Plonker and so on!

What does it feel like to wake up in the morning and look in the mirror, not good heh? Staring back at you is that loser Chav face forcing you to live a life of denial, don’t blame you though, if I was you (God forbid) I would probably do the same or you could end it all and do the world a favour!
Roger, I have three questions for you.
1. What do you mean by Chav?
2. How do you think others perceive you?
3. What are you views on Watford playing two central defenders as wing backs in their last game?

With love
Mellow
I think the first two are already covered in my reply to Stoney 77 which I guess is the number he uses the word F & C every minute.

If I thought you were serious on the the third I would answer you, by not answering you you have your answer.

Finally some poor devil has just got 77 thumbs down for expressing his view - Outrageous. This site needs to rewind there is so much intolerance.
[quote][p][bold]mellow yellow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harry's Bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mickallen57[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]honest-view[/bold] wrote: I have never had to read so much drivel in all my days. Children do not like getting someone arguing and like to be the better. It reads just like that. Please just good old football comments please[/p][/quote]Couldn't agree more, I have posted many times on abusive behaviour .I cannot understand it. Surely we are all Watford fans and as such should respect each others views . I come to this site to be informed of the latest news and to listen to the views of the fans on this site. We are not all going to agree but lets debate the point not get dragged into a slagging match . Different opinions make life interesting. If you can't debate the point and have to resort to name calling I believe Luton F.C. have a site that might be more to your taste. Come on lads get a grip we are all in this together COYH[/p][/quote]I have just read through the entire thread and personally found it most entertaining. I am intrigued by Roger, is he a multi national, multi lingual businessman, or has he been sectioned under the Mental Health Act. I honestly have no idea. Great fun though (if you take the offensive comments with a pinch of salt).[/p][/quote]Another one who seeks solace in numbers! Every one of your statements contradicts the other, you crave the OK from your fellow chavs to give you some type of credence. If you were even a tiny bit intelligent you could at least use an original insult not resorting to the standard Chav retort, mental, Plonker and so on! What does it feel like to wake up in the morning and look in the mirror, not good heh? Staring back at you is that loser Chav face forcing you to live a life of denial, don’t blame you though, if I was you (God forbid) I would probably do the same or you could end it all and do the world a favour![/p][/quote]Roger, I have three questions for you. 1. What do you mean by Chav? 2. How do you think others perceive you? 3. What are you views on Watford playing two central defenders as wing backs in their last game? With love Mellow[/p][/quote]I think the first two are already covered in my reply to Stoney 77 which I guess is the number he uses the word F & C every minute. If I thought you were serious on the the third I would answer you, by not answering you you have your answer. Finally some poor devil has just got 77 thumbs down for expressing his view - Outrageous. This site needs to rewind there is so much intolerance. rogeruk

4:28pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Hornet Cornet says...

A choice: My poetry or RogerUK's rants. Any prefence folks?
A choice: My poetry or RogerUK's rants. Any prefence folks? Hornet Cornet

5:35pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Stoney77 says...

rogeruk wrote:
Stoney77 wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
Harry's Bar wrote:
mickallen57 wrote:
honest-view wrote:
I have never had to read so much drivel in all my days.
Children do not like getting someone arguing and like to be the better.
It reads just like that.
Please just good old football comments please
Couldn't agree more, I have posted many times on abusive behaviour .I cannot understand it. Surely we are all Watford fans and as such should respect each others views .
I come to this site to be informed of the latest news and to listen to the views of the fans on this site. We are not all going to agree but lets debate the point not get dragged into a slagging match . Different opinions make life interesting. If you can't debate the point and have to resort to name calling I believe Luton F.C. have a site that might be more to your taste. Come on lads get a grip we are all in this together COYH
I have just read through the entire thread and personally found it most entertaining. I am intrigued by Roger, is he a multi national, multi lingual businessman, or has he been sectioned under the Mental Health Act. I honestly have no idea. Great fun though (if you take the offensive comments with a pinch of salt).
Another one who seeks solace in numbers! Every one of your statements contradicts the other, you crave the OK from your fellow chavs to give you some type of credence. If you were even a tiny bit intelligent you could at least use an original insult not resorting to the standard Chav retort, mental, Plonker and so on!

What does it feel like to wake up in the morning and look in the mirror, not good heh? Staring back at you is that loser Chav face forcing you to live a life of denial, don’t blame you though, if I was you (God forbid) I would probably do the same or you could end it all and do the world a favour!
There are very very few times in life where use of the c word is justified in public. In my opinion it Is one of the most powerful words in our vocabulary, particularly with regards to the reactions that the use of the word can cause.

Judging by your comments, Roger, you appear to live on a moral high ground all of your own and come across as a very sanctimonious person.

The only people that you have not insulted on this 'forum' are those that agreed with you with regards to Zolas departure, indeed some comments you made toward them regarding you all coming together as freedom warriors or whatever was encouraging sheeple-ism, don't you think?

Anyhow, I digress; in your last post you have just implied that someone, whom you insinuate has self esteem issues, should kill themselves to make the world a better place........yet you have the cheek to call other peoples behaviour as vulgar?.....

.....What a F++KING VILE, DISGUSTING, C+++ you are to say such a thing. What a horrible piece of 5hit you've become in life, however old you are. There is no other word but the c word to describe someone who goads another person to take their own life.

Finally, you know that most people on here, regardless of their differences would probably be happy to meet up and have a beer or something given the chance. But you'd be the only one who wouldn't. Of course, you'll say 'but why would I want to meet up with Chavs like you"..... Truth is though, you wouldn't have the guts.

C - - T.
What a sanctimonious vulgar lewd piece of work you are! All of you and your kind are into wind ups but when somebody winds up one of your ilk you react like typical bullies – you can’t take it. You are a bunch of total hypocrites! You stick to together like dung in a pig sty and that’s really not fair to pigs. As to your opinion it has no credence and is therefore worthless!

Stop playing the false caring mate of another Chav, you also use the word goad in the wrong context. Why can’t he defend himself? I have seen in town centres like Watford such appalling drunken and brutish behaviour the type you are capable of, Police have told me these are the type of people who should be put down at birth!

I wanted to prove three things and succeeded on all three:

1. How easy it is to wind up ‘wind up merchants’
2. How easy it is to beat them ‘at their own game’
3. How to achieve a reaction without resorting to Chav language and barbarian behaviour with use of profane words like F & C.

Neither do I buy into your pious argument about a few times there is a reason to use the C word in public, you do it all the time. Its the way of life of living in the gutter.

Who in their right mind would want to spend any time with you or the mates you purport to defend, I have said many times so finally get it into one of your two brain cells, I am completely indifferent to you and your profane insults, you are gutter trash, as to wanting to be popular! What with you lot the biggest bunch of losers ever gathered on this site!

I understand why Zola received such support from you losers you comfort each other in this horrible world –diddum’s!

I am telling you now you and your bunch of cronies stop bullying innocent posters on here, you are bullies, you don’t tolerate other people’s opinions and that is not acceptable best you stay of this site and spiel your poison where it will be more tolerable like Broadmoor!

I have shown to you in an urbane way with power of intellect. English is so much more powerful than visceral responses with lewd behaviour, profanity and bullying. However, I suspect that will be totally lost on you.

On football matters, you childishly say I don’t insult people who agree with me, wrong! I don’t insult people unless they insult me first! I don’t originate insults, I retaliate!

Secondly the people you refer are civilized and don’t behave like you and your bunch of cronies! I enjoy disagreement only by accepting other peoples views can you get an insight and sometime learn things, however, those people are different to you and your cohorts!

I wrote a piece on football about attendances and Watford’s future, not one of you cronies responded or contributed to the post with a football comment, it was received with insult after insult from your mates.

You need to understand there is more than one way to live your life and there are many who don’t like your life style in the gutter with every second word being an F or a C, the constant insults and wind ups. You are full of yourself in pretending to take the 'high' ground' which is laughable considerable you actually live a life in the lower gutters.

As with all Bullies you give it but can’t take it! I am ready to deal with all of you until you stop this aggressive behaviour to other posters so carry on I am not going away! If you or your mates want to carry on the insults be prepared for retaliation you will get back more than you give I promise you!
Having skimmed through your response I note that you have avoided the questions which you would find difficult to respond to. As usual.

Anyway I don't know Harry's Bar, never met him and I was not standing up for him, I was standing up for the principals that I believe in.

As I said previously, you implied that someone, whom you insinuate has self esteem issues, should kill themselves to make the world a better place... And for me, in a world where suicide rates, particularly amongst men, increase markedly decade by decade, the only person that would stoop so low as to encourage someone to kill themselves is the lowest of the low. It's on the same level as making fun of someone based on race or disability. It's repulsive and offensive, and goes against my principals.

By the way, it is possible to view a history of all users comments in this website so don't bang on too much about not being a hypocrite and never insulting people unless they have insulted you first. The evidence is out there.
[quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stoney77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harry's Bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mickallen57[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]honest-view[/bold] wrote: I have never had to read so much drivel in all my days. Children do not like getting someone arguing and like to be the better. It reads just like that. Please just good old football comments please[/p][/quote]Couldn't agree more, I have posted many times on abusive behaviour .I cannot understand it. Surely we are all Watford fans and as such should respect each others views . I come to this site to be informed of the latest news and to listen to the views of the fans on this site. We are not all going to agree but lets debate the point not get dragged into a slagging match . Different opinions make life interesting. If you can't debate the point and have to resort to name calling I believe Luton F.C. have a site that might be more to your taste. Come on lads get a grip we are all in this together COYH[/p][/quote]I have just read through the entire thread and personally found it most entertaining. I am intrigued by Roger, is he a multi national, multi lingual businessman, or has he been sectioned under the Mental Health Act. I honestly have no idea. Great fun though (if you take the offensive comments with a pinch of salt).[/p][/quote]Another one who seeks solace in numbers! Every one of your statements contradicts the other, you crave the OK from your fellow chavs to give you some type of credence. If you were even a tiny bit intelligent you could at least use an original insult not resorting to the standard Chav retort, mental, Plonker and so on! What does it feel like to wake up in the morning and look in the mirror, not good heh? Staring back at you is that loser Chav face forcing you to live a life of denial, don’t blame you though, if I was you (God forbid) I would probably do the same or you could end it all and do the world a favour![/p][/quote]There are very very few times in life where use of the c word is justified in public. In my opinion it Is one of the most powerful words in our vocabulary, particularly with regards to the reactions that the use of the word can cause. Judging by your comments, Roger, you appear to live on a moral high ground all of your own and come across as a very sanctimonious person. The only people that you have not insulted on this 'forum' are those that agreed with you with regards to Zolas departure, indeed some comments you made toward them regarding you all coming together as freedom warriors or whatever was encouraging sheeple-ism, don't you think? Anyhow, I digress; in your last post you have just implied that someone, whom you insinuate has self esteem issues, should kill themselves to make the world a better place........yet you have the cheek to call other peoples behaviour as vulgar?..... .....What a F++KING VILE, DISGUSTING, C+++ you are to say such a thing. What a horrible piece of 5hit you've become in life, however old you are. There is no other word but the c word to describe someone who goads another person to take their own life. Finally, you know that most people on here, regardless of their differences would probably be happy to meet up and have a beer or something given the chance. But you'd be the only one who wouldn't. Of course, you'll say 'but why would I want to meet up with Chavs like you"..... Truth is though, you wouldn't have the guts. C - - T.[/p][/quote]What a sanctimonious vulgar lewd piece of work you are! All of you and your kind are into wind ups but when somebody winds up one of your ilk you react like typical bullies – you can’t take it. You are a bunch of total hypocrites! You stick to together like dung in a pig sty and that’s really not fair to pigs. As to your opinion it has no credence and is therefore worthless! Stop playing the false caring mate of another Chav, you also use the word goad in the wrong context. Why can’t he defend himself? I have seen in town centres like Watford such appalling drunken and brutish behaviour the type you are capable of, Police have told me these are the type of people who should be put down at birth! I wanted to prove three things and succeeded on all three: 1. How easy it is to wind up ‘wind up merchants’ 2. How easy it is to beat them ‘at their own game’ 3. How to achieve a reaction without resorting to Chav language and barbarian behaviour with use of profane words like F & C. Neither do I buy into your pious argument about a few times there is a reason to use the C word in public, you do it all the time. Its the way of life of living in the gutter. Who in their right mind would want to spend any time with you or the mates you purport to defend, I have said many times so finally get it into one of your two brain cells, I am completely indifferent to you and your profane insults, you are gutter trash, as to wanting to be popular! What with you lot the biggest bunch of losers ever gathered on this site! I understand why Zola received such support from you losers you comfort each other in this horrible world –diddum’s! I am telling you now you and your bunch of cronies stop bullying innocent posters on here, you are bullies, you don’t tolerate other people’s opinions and that is not acceptable best you stay of this site and spiel your poison where it will be more tolerable like Broadmoor! I have shown to you in an urbane way with power of intellect. English is so much more powerful than visceral responses with lewd behaviour, profanity and bullying. However, I suspect that will be totally lost on you. On football matters, you childishly say I don’t insult people who agree with me, wrong! I don’t insult people unless they insult me first! I don’t originate insults, I retaliate! Secondly the people you refer are civilized and don’t behave like you and your bunch of cronies! I enjoy disagreement only by accepting other peoples views can you get an insight and sometime learn things, however, those people are different to you and your cohorts! I wrote a piece on football about attendances and Watford’s future, not one of you cronies responded or contributed to the post with a football comment, it was received with insult after insult from your mates. You need to understand there is more than one way to live your life and there are many who don’t like your life style in the gutter with every second word being an F or a C, the constant insults and wind ups. You are full of yourself in pretending to take the 'high' ground' which is laughable considerable you actually live a life in the lower gutters. As with all Bullies you give it but can’t take it! I am ready to deal with all of you until you stop this aggressive behaviour to other posters so carry on I am not going away! If you or your mates want to carry on the insults be prepared for retaliation you will get back more than you give I promise you![/p][/quote]Having skimmed through your response I note that you have avoided the questions which you would find difficult to respond to. As usual. Anyway I don't know Harry's Bar, never met him and I was not standing up for him, I was standing up for the principals that I believe in. As I said previously, you implied that someone, whom you insinuate has self esteem issues, should kill themselves to make the world a better place... And for me, in a world where suicide rates, particularly amongst men, increase markedly decade by decade, the only person that would stoop so low as to encourage someone to kill themselves is the lowest of the low. It's on the same level as making fun of someone based on race or disability. It's repulsive and offensive, and goes against my principals. By the way, it is possible to view a history of all users comments in this website so don't bang on too much about not being a hypocrite and never insulting people unless they have insulted you first. The evidence is out there. Stoney77

5:38pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Stoney77 says...

PS i apologise to anyone who was offended by my use of profanity. I don't like to use the term in public but felt it was justified considering the circumstances and my feelings towards Rogers comments. Hopefully there will be very view readers of these comments to witness my language as they are far down the list of articles on the website front page.
PS i apologise to anyone who was offended by my use of profanity. I don't like to use the term in public but felt it was justified considering the circumstances and my feelings towards Rogers comments. Hopefully there will be very view readers of these comments to witness my language as they are far down the list of articles on the website front page. Stoney77

10:40pm Mon 6 Jan 14

KeithMercer says...

rogeruk wrote:
Stoney77 wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
Harry's Bar wrote:
mickallen57 wrote:
honest-view wrote:
I have never had to read so much drivel in all my days.
Children do not like getting someone arguing and like to be the better.
It reads just like that.
Please just good old football comments please
Couldn't agree more, I have posted many times on abusive behaviour .I cannot understand it. Surely we are all Watford fans and as such should respect each others views .
I come to this site to be informed of the latest news and to listen to the views of the fans on this site. We are not all going to agree but lets debate the point not get dragged into a slagging match . Different opinions make life interesting. If you can't debate the point and have to resort to name calling I believe Luton F.C. have a site that might be more to your taste. Come on lads get a grip we are all in this together COYH
I have just read through the entire thread and personally found it most entertaining. I am intrigued by Roger, is he a multi national, multi lingual businessman, or has he been sectioned under the Mental Health Act. I honestly have no idea. Great fun though (if you take the offensive comments with a pinch of salt).
Another one who seeks solace in numbers! Every one of your statements contradicts the other, you crave the OK from your fellow chavs to give you some type of credence. If you were even a tiny bit intelligent you could at least use an original insult not resorting to the standard Chav retort, mental, Plonker and so on!

What does it feel like to wake up in the morning and look in the mirror, not good heh? Staring back at you is that loser Chav face forcing you to live a life of denial, don’t blame you though, if I was you (God forbid) I would probably do the same or you could end it all and do the world a favour!
There are very very few times in life where use of the c word is justified in public. In my opinion it Is one of the most powerful words in our vocabulary, particularly with regards to the reactions that the use of the word can cause.

Judging by your comments, Roger, you appear to live on a moral high ground all of your own and come across as a very sanctimonious person.

The only people that you have not insulted on this 'forum' are those that agreed with you with regards to Zolas departure, indeed some comments you made toward them regarding you all coming together as freedom warriors or whatever was encouraging sheeple-ism, don't you think?

Anyhow, I digress; in your last post you have just implied that someone, whom you insinuate has self esteem issues, should kill themselves to make the world a better place........yet you have the cheek to call other peoples behaviour as vulgar?.....

.....What a F++KING VILE, DISGUSTING, C+++ you are to say such a thing. What a horrible piece of 5hit you've become in life, however old you are. There is no other word but the c word to describe someone who goads another person to take their own life.

Finally, you know that most people on here, regardless of their differences would probably be happy to meet up and have a beer or something given the chance. But you'd be the only one who wouldn't. Of course, you'll say 'but why would I want to meet up with Chavs like you"..... Truth is though, you wouldn't have the guts.

C - - T.
What a sanctimonious vulgar lewd piece of work you are! All of you and your kind are into wind ups but when somebody winds up one of your ilk you react like typical bullies – you can’t take it. You are a bunch of total hypocrites! You stick to together like dung in a pig sty and that’s really not fair to pigs. As to your opinion it has no credence and is therefore worthless!

Stop playing the false caring mate of another Chav, you also use the word goad in the wrong context. Why can’t he defend himself? I have seen in town centres like Watford such appalling drunken and brutish behaviour the type you are capable of, Police have told me these are the type of people who should be put down at birth!

I wanted to prove three things and succeeded on all three:

1. How easy it is to wind up ‘wind up merchants’
2. How easy it is to beat them ‘at their own game’
3. How to achieve a reaction without resorting to Chav language and barbarian behaviour with use of profane words like F & C.

Neither do I buy into your pious argument about a few times there is a reason to use the C word in public, you do it all the time. Its the way of life of living in the gutter.

Who in their right mind would want to spend any time with you or the mates you purport to defend, I have said many times so finally get it into one of your two brain cells, I am completely indifferent to you and your profane insults, you are gutter trash, as to wanting to be popular! What with you lot the biggest bunch of losers ever gathered on this site!

I understand why Zola received such support from you losers you comfort each other in this horrible world –diddum’s!

I am telling you now you and your bunch of cronies stop bullying innocent posters on here, you are bullies, you don’t tolerate other people’s opinions and that is not acceptable best you stay of this site and spiel your poison where it will be more tolerable like Broadmoor!

I have shown to you in an urbane way with power of intellect. English is so much more powerful than visceral responses with lewd behaviour, profanity and bullying. However, I suspect that will be totally lost on you.

On football matters, you childishly say I don’t insult people who agree with me, wrong! I don’t insult people unless they insult me first! I don’t originate insults, I retaliate!

Secondly the people you refer are civilized and don’t behave like you and your bunch of cronies! I enjoy disagreement only by accepting other peoples views can you get an insight and sometime learn things, however, those people are different to you and your cohorts!

I wrote a piece on football about attendances and Watford’s future, not one of you cronies responded or contributed to the post with a football comment, it was received with insult after insult from your mates.

You need to understand there is more than one way to live your life and there are many who don’t like your life style in the gutter with every second word being an F or a C, the constant insults and wind ups. You are full of yourself in pretending to take the 'high' ground' which is laughable considerable you actually live a life in the lower gutters.

As with all Bullies you give it but can’t take it! I am ready to deal with all of you until you stop this aggressive behaviour to other posters so carry on I am not going away! If you or your mates want to carry on the insults be prepared for retaliation you will get back more than you give I promise you!
Roger, your intelligence is not in question ! unfortunately your mental health is up for debate, Believe me when I tell you, You have never, nor never will WIND ME UP !. That I am afraid you will never be capable of. You just amuse me in a sick way of which I am not proud, like watching the goings on at a mental institution. Your hypocrisy is unequalled by anyone past or present on this site and humorous at best.
You seem to have it in your head (note not thick scull) that we our one big group of chav bullies that regularly gets together down the Red Lion and decides who we are going to victimize next. I can assure you 99% of us have never met before or have any intention of doing so.
We just happen to share an opinion that we believe rational and are happy to have our voices heard.
You and others are always welcome to express a different opinion, after all thats the prime objective to debate these differing opinions and then decide I/WE were/was right all along.
The reason that you seem to get up so many peoples noses(probably in your everyday life as well) is your constant putting down of people and condescending attitude to one and all.
I am here to offer you some classes in life skills at a generous rate of £200 per hour ! I would suggest a group of at least six minimum. At the end of the course I will guarantee you have at least one friend in the world even if that happens to be my bank manager.
I hope I have not offended you in any way , but its like having to tell your best pal that his breath stinks and he has a bit of B,O. As I am sure you are familiar with this scenario , oh I forgot you dont have any friends to tell you a few home truths do you ?
As I said before special offer for you £200 per hour ! let me know when you are ready ! but please leave it until the morning as I am off to watch Big Brother now .
[quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stoney77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harry's Bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mickallen57[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]honest-view[/bold] wrote: I have never had to read so much drivel in all my days. Children do not like getting someone arguing and like to be the better. It reads just like that. Please just good old football comments please[/p][/quote]Couldn't agree more, I have posted many times on abusive behaviour .I cannot understand it. Surely we are all Watford fans and as such should respect each others views . I come to this site to be informed of the latest news and to listen to the views of the fans on this site. We are not all going to agree but lets debate the point not get dragged into a slagging match . Different opinions make life interesting. If you can't debate the point and have to resort to name calling I believe Luton F.C. have a site that might be more to your taste. Come on lads get a grip we are all in this together COYH[/p][/quote]I have just read through the entire thread and personally found it most entertaining. I am intrigued by Roger, is he a multi national, multi lingual businessman, or has he been sectioned under the Mental Health Act. I honestly have no idea. Great fun though (if you take the offensive comments with a pinch of salt).[/p][/quote]Another one who seeks solace in numbers! Every one of your statements contradicts the other, you crave the OK from your fellow chavs to give you some type of credence. If you were even a tiny bit intelligent you could at least use an original insult not resorting to the standard Chav retort, mental, Plonker and so on! What does it feel like to wake up in the morning and look in the mirror, not good heh? Staring back at you is that loser Chav face forcing you to live a life of denial, don’t blame you though, if I was you (God forbid) I would probably do the same or you could end it all and do the world a favour![/p][/quote]There are very very few times in life where use of the c word is justified in public. In my opinion it Is one of the most powerful words in our vocabulary, particularly with regards to the reactions that the use of the word can cause. Judging by your comments, Roger, you appear to live on a moral high ground all of your own and come across as a very sanctimonious person. The only people that you have not insulted on this 'forum' are those that agreed with you with regards to Zolas departure, indeed some comments you made toward them regarding you all coming together as freedom warriors or whatever was encouraging sheeple-ism, don't you think? Anyhow, I digress; in your last post you have just implied that someone, whom you insinuate has self esteem issues, should kill themselves to make the world a better place........yet you have the cheek to call other peoples behaviour as vulgar?..... .....What a F++KING VILE, DISGUSTING, C+++ you are to say such a thing. What a horrible piece of 5hit you've become in life, however old you are. There is no other word but the c word to describe someone who goads another person to take their own life. Finally, you know that most people on here, regardless of their differences would probably be happy to meet up and have a beer or something given the chance. But you'd be the only one who wouldn't. Of course, you'll say 'but why would I want to meet up with Chavs like you"..... Truth is though, you wouldn't have the guts. C - - T.[/p][/quote]What a sanctimonious vulgar lewd piece of work you are! All of you and your kind are into wind ups but when somebody winds up one of your ilk you react like typical bullies – you can’t take it. You are a bunch of total hypocrites! You stick to together like dung in a pig sty and that’s really not fair to pigs. As to your opinion it has no credence and is therefore worthless! Stop playing the false caring mate of another Chav, you also use the word goad in the wrong context. Why can’t he defend himself? I have seen in town centres like Watford such appalling drunken and brutish behaviour the type you are capable of, Police have told me these are the type of people who should be put down at birth! I wanted to prove three things and succeeded on all three: 1. How easy it is to wind up ‘wind up merchants’ 2. How easy it is to beat them ‘at their own game’ 3. How to achieve a reaction without resorting to Chav language and barbarian behaviour with use of profane words like F & C. Neither do I buy into your pious argument about a few times there is a reason to use the C word in public, you do it all the time. Its the way of life of living in the gutter. Who in their right mind would want to spend any time with you or the mates you purport to defend, I have said many times so finally get it into one of your two brain cells, I am completely indifferent to you and your profane insults, you are gutter trash, as to wanting to be popular! What with you lot the biggest bunch of losers ever gathered on this site! I understand why Zola received such support from you losers you comfort each other in this horrible world –diddum’s! I am telling you now you and your bunch of cronies stop bullying innocent posters on here, you are bullies, you don’t tolerate other people’s opinions and that is not acceptable best you stay of this site and spiel your poison where it will be more tolerable like Broadmoor! I have shown to you in an urbane way with power of intellect. English is so much more powerful than visceral responses with lewd behaviour, profanity and bullying. However, I suspect that will be totally lost on you. On football matters, you childishly say I don’t insult people who agree with me, wrong! I don’t insult people unless they insult me first! I don’t originate insults, I retaliate! Secondly the people you refer are civilized and don’t behave like you and your bunch of cronies! I enjoy disagreement only by accepting other peoples views can you get an insight and sometime learn things, however, those people are different to you and your cohorts! I wrote a piece on football about attendances and Watford’s future, not one of you cronies responded or contributed to the post with a football comment, it was received with insult after insult from your mates. You need to understand there is more than one way to live your life and there are many who don’t like your life style in the gutter with every second word being an F or a C, the constant insults and wind ups. You are full of yourself in pretending to take the 'high' ground' which is laughable considerable you actually live a life in the lower gutters. As with all Bullies you give it but can’t take it! I am ready to deal with all of you until you stop this aggressive behaviour to other posters so carry on I am not going away! If you or your mates want to carry on the insults be prepared for retaliation you will get back more than you give I promise you![/p][/quote]Roger, your intelligence is not in question ! unfortunately your mental health is up for debate, Believe me when I tell you, You have never, nor never will WIND ME UP !. That I am afraid you will never be capable of. You just amuse me in a sick way of which I am not proud, like watching the goings on at a mental institution. Your hypocrisy is unequalled by anyone past or present on this site and humorous at best. You seem to have it in your head (note not thick scull) that we our one big group of chav bullies that regularly gets together down the Red Lion and decides who we are going to victimize next. I can assure you 99% of us have never met before or have any intention of doing so. We just happen to share an opinion that we believe rational and are happy to have our voices heard. You and others are always welcome to express a different opinion, after all thats the prime objective to debate these differing opinions and then decide I/WE were/was right all along. The reason that you seem to get up so many peoples noses(probably in your everyday life as well) is your constant putting down of people and condescending attitude to one and all. I am here to offer you some classes in life skills at a generous rate of £200 per hour ! I would suggest a group of at least six minimum. At the end of the course I will guarantee you have at least one friend in the world even if that happens to be my bank manager. I hope I have not offended you in any way , but its like having to tell your best pal that his breath stinks and he has a bit of B,O. As I am sure you are familiar with this scenario , oh I forgot you dont have any friends to tell you a few home truths do you ? As I said before special offer for you £200 per hour ! let me know when you are ready ! but please leave it until the morning as I am off to watch Big Brother now . KeithMercer

12:38am Tue 7 Jan 14

rogeruk says...

KeithMercer wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
Stoney77 wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
Harry's Bar wrote:
mickallen57 wrote:
honest-view wrote:
I have never had to read so much drivel in all my days.
Children do not like getting someone arguing and like to be the better.
It reads just like that.
Please just good old football comments please
Couldn't agree more, I have posted many times on abusive behaviour .I cannot understand it. Surely we are all Watford fans and as such should respect each others views .
I come to this site to be informed of the latest news and to listen to the views of the fans on this site. We are not all going to agree but lets debate the point not get dragged into a slagging match . Different opinions make life interesting. If you can't debate the point and have to resort to name calling I believe Luton F.C. have a site that might be more to your taste. Come on lads get a grip we are all in this together COYH
I have just read through the entire thread and personally found it most entertaining. I am intrigued by Roger, is he a multi national, multi lingual businessman, or has he been sectioned under the Mental Health Act. I honestly have no idea. Great fun though (if you take the offensive comments with a pinch of salt).
Another one who seeks solace in numbers! Every one of your statements contradicts the other, you crave the OK from your fellow chavs to give you some type of credence. If you were even a tiny bit intelligent you could at least use an original insult not resorting to the standard Chav retort, mental, Plonker and so on!

What does it feel like to wake up in the morning and look in the mirror, not good heh? Staring back at you is that loser Chav face forcing you to live a life of denial, don’t blame you though, if I was you (God forbid) I would probably do the same or you could end it all and do the world a favour!
There are very very few times in life where use of the c word is justified in public. In my opinion it Is one of the most powerful words in our vocabulary, particularly with regards to the reactions that the use of the word can cause.

Judging by your comments, Roger, you appear to live on a moral high ground all of your own and come across as a very sanctimonious person.

The only people that you have not insulted on this 'forum' are those that agreed with you with regards to Zolas departure, indeed some comments you made toward them regarding you all coming together as freedom warriors or whatever was encouraging sheeple-ism, don't you think?

Anyhow, I digress; in your last post you have just implied that someone, whom you insinuate has self esteem issues, should kill themselves to make the world a better place........yet you have the cheek to call other peoples behaviour as vulgar?.....

.....What a F++KING VILE, DISGUSTING, C+++ you are to say such a thing. What a horrible piece of 5hit you've become in life, however old you are. There is no other word but the c word to describe someone who goads another person to take their own life.

Finally, you know that most people on here, regardless of their differences would probably be happy to meet up and have a beer or something given the chance. But you'd be the only one who wouldn't. Of course, you'll say 'but why would I want to meet up with Chavs like you"..... Truth is though, you wouldn't have the guts.

C - - T.
What a sanctimonious vulgar lewd piece of work you are! All of you and your kind are into wind ups but when somebody winds up one of your ilk you react like typical bullies – you can’t take it. You are a bunch of total hypocrites! You stick to together like dung in a pig sty and that’s really not fair to pigs. As to your opinion it has no credence and is therefore worthless!

Stop playing the false caring mate of another Chav, you also use the word goad in the wrong context. Why can’t he defend himself? I have seen in town centres like Watford such appalling drunken and brutish behaviour the type you are capable of, Police have told me these are the type of people who should be put down at birth!

I wanted to prove three things and succeeded on all three:

1. How easy it is to wind up ‘wind up merchants’
2. How easy it is to beat them ‘at their own game’
3. How to achieve a reaction without resorting to Chav language and barbarian behaviour with use of profane words like F & C.

Neither do I buy into your pious argument about a few times there is a reason to use the C word in public, you do it all the time. Its the way of life of living in the gutter.

Who in their right mind would want to spend any time with you or the mates you purport to defend, I have said many times so finally get it into one of your two brain cells, I am completely indifferent to you and your profane insults, you are gutter trash, as to wanting to be popular! What with you lot the biggest bunch of losers ever gathered on this site!

I understand why Zola received such support from you losers you comfort each other in this horrible world –diddum’s!

I am telling you now you and your bunch of cronies stop bullying innocent posters on here, you are bullies, you don’t tolerate other people’s opinions and that is not acceptable best you stay of this site and spiel your poison where it will be more tolerable like Broadmoor!

I have shown to you in an urbane way with power of intellect. English is so much more powerful than visceral responses with lewd behaviour, profanity and bullying. However, I suspect that will be totally lost on you.

On football matters, you childishly say I don’t insult people who agree with me, wrong! I don’t insult people unless they insult me first! I don’t originate insults, I retaliate!

Secondly the people you refer are civilized and don’t behave like you and your bunch of cronies! I enjoy disagreement only by accepting other peoples views can you get an insight and sometime learn things, however, those people are different to you and your cohorts!

I wrote a piece on football about attendances and Watford’s future, not one of you cronies responded or contributed to the post with a football comment, it was received with insult after insult from your mates.

You need to understand there is more than one way to live your life and there are many who don’t like your life style in the gutter with every second word being an F or a C, the constant insults and wind ups. You are full of yourself in pretending to take the 'high' ground' which is laughable considerable you actually live a life in the lower gutters.

As with all Bullies you give it but can’t take it! I am ready to deal with all of you until you stop this aggressive behaviour to other posters so carry on I am not going away! If you or your mates want to carry on the insults be prepared for retaliation you will get back more than you give I promise you!
Roger, your intelligence is not in question ! unfortunately your mental health is up for debate, Believe me when I tell you, You have never, nor never will WIND ME UP !. That I am afraid you will never be capable of. You just amuse me in a sick way of which I am not proud, like watching the goings on at a mental institution. Your hypocrisy is unequalled by anyone past or present on this site and humorous at best.
You seem to have it in your head (note not thick scull) that we our one big group of chav bullies that regularly gets together down the Red Lion and decides who we are going to victimize next. I can assure you 99% of us have never met before or have any intention of doing so.
We just happen to share an opinion that we believe rational and are happy to have our voices heard.
You and others are always welcome to express a different opinion, after all thats the prime objective to debate these differing opinions and then decide I/WE were/was right all along.
The reason that you seem to get up so many peoples noses(probably in your everyday life as well) is your constant putting down of people and condescending attitude to one and all.
I am here to offer you some classes in life skills at a generous rate of £200 per hour ! I would suggest a group of at least six minimum. At the end of the course I will guarantee you have at least one friend in the world even if that happens to be my bank manager.
I hope I have not offended you in any way , but its like having to tell your best pal that his breath stinks and he has a bit of B,O. As I am sure you are familiar with this scenario , oh I forgot you dont have any friends to tell you a few home truths do you ?
As I said before special offer for you £200 per hour ! let me know when you are ready ! but please leave it until the morning as I am off to watch Big Brother now .
You are beyond windups, in fact I would put you at the bottom of the list for everything and the quality on this site is already quite low.
[quote][p][bold]KeithMercer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stoney77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harry's Bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mickallen57[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]honest-view[/bold] wrote: I have never had to read so much drivel in all my days. Children do not like getting someone arguing and like to be the better. It reads just like that. Please just good old football comments please[/p][/quote]Couldn't agree more, I have posted many times on abusive behaviour .I cannot understand it. Surely we are all Watford fans and as such should respect each others views . I come to this site to be informed of the latest news and to listen to the views of the fans on this site. We are not all going to agree but lets debate the point not get dragged into a slagging match . Different opinions make life interesting. If you can't debate the point and have to resort to name calling I believe Luton F.C. have a site that might be more to your taste. Come on lads get a grip we are all in this together COYH[/p][/quote]I have just read through the entire thread and personally found it most entertaining. I am intrigued by Roger, is he a multi national, multi lingual businessman, or has he been sectioned under the Mental Health Act. I honestly have no idea. Great fun though (if you take the offensive comments with a pinch of salt).[/p][/quote]Another one who seeks solace in numbers! Every one of your statements contradicts the other, you crave the OK from your fellow chavs to give you some type of credence. If you were even a tiny bit intelligent you could at least use an original insult not resorting to the standard Chav retort, mental, Plonker and so on! What does it feel like to wake up in the morning and look in the mirror, not good heh? Staring back at you is that loser Chav face forcing you to live a life of denial, don’t blame you though, if I was you (God forbid) I would probably do the same or you could end it all and do the world a favour![/p][/quote]There are very very few times in life where use of the c word is justified in public. In my opinion it Is one of the most powerful words in our vocabulary, particularly with regards to the reactions that the use of the word can cause. Judging by your comments, Roger, you appear to live on a moral high ground all of your own and come across as a very sanctimonious person. The only people that you have not insulted on this 'forum' are those that agreed with you with regards to Zolas departure, indeed some comments you made toward them regarding you all coming together as freedom warriors or whatever was encouraging sheeple-ism, don't you think? Anyhow, I digress; in your last post you have just implied that someone, whom you insinuate has self esteem issues, should kill themselves to make the world a better place........yet you have the cheek to call other peoples behaviour as vulgar?..... .....What a F++KING VILE, DISGUSTING, C+++ you are to say such a thing. What a horrible piece of 5hit you've become in life, however old you are. There is no other word but the c word to describe someone who goads another person to take their own life. Finally, you know that most people on here, regardless of their differences would probably be happy to meet up and have a beer or something given the chance. But you'd be the only one who wouldn't. Of course, you'll say 'but why would I want to meet up with Chavs like you"..... Truth is though, you wouldn't have the guts. C - - T.[/p][/quote]What a sanctimonious vulgar lewd piece of work you are! All of you and your kind are into wind ups but when somebody winds up one of your ilk you react like typical bullies – you can’t take it. You are a bunch of total hypocrites! You stick to together like dung in a pig sty and that’s really not fair to pigs. As to your opinion it has no credence and is therefore worthless! Stop playing the false caring mate of another Chav, you also use the word goad in the wrong context. Why can’t he defend himself? I have seen in town centres like Watford such appalling drunken and brutish behaviour the type you are capable of, Police have told me these are the type of people who should be put down at birth! I wanted to prove three things and succeeded on all three: 1. How easy it is to wind up ‘wind up merchants’ 2. How easy it is to beat them ‘at their own game’ 3. How to achieve a reaction without resorting to Chav language and barbarian behaviour with use of profane words like F & C. Neither do I buy into your pious argument about a few times there is a reason to use the C word in public, you do it all the time. Its the way of life of living in the gutter. Who in their right mind would want to spend any time with you or the mates you purport to defend, I have said many times so finally get it into one of your two brain cells, I am completely indifferent to you and your profane insults, you are gutter trash, as to wanting to be popular! What with you lot the biggest bunch of losers ever gathered on this site! I understand why Zola received such support from you losers you comfort each other in this horrible world –diddum’s! I am telling you now you and your bunch of cronies stop bullying innocent posters on here, you are bullies, you don’t tolerate other people’s opinions and that is not acceptable best you stay of this site and spiel your poison where it will be more tolerable like Broadmoor! I have shown to you in an urbane way with power of intellect. English is so much more powerful than visceral responses with lewd behaviour, profanity and bullying. However, I suspect that will be totally lost on you. On football matters, you childishly say I don’t insult people who agree with me, wrong! I don’t insult people unless they insult me first! I don’t originate insults, I retaliate! Secondly the people you refer are civilized and don’t behave like you and your bunch of cronies! I enjoy disagreement only by accepting other peoples views can you get an insight and sometime learn things, however, those people are different to you and your cohorts! I wrote a piece on football about attendances and Watford’s future, not one of you cronies responded or contributed to the post with a football comment, it was received with insult after insult from your mates. You need to understand there is more than one way to live your life and there are many who don’t like your life style in the gutter with every second word being an F or a C, the constant insults and wind ups. You are full of yourself in pretending to take the 'high' ground' which is laughable considerable you actually live a life in the lower gutters. As with all Bullies you give it but can’t take it! I am ready to deal with all of you until you stop this aggressive behaviour to other posters so carry on I am not going away! If you or your mates want to carry on the insults be prepared for retaliation you will get back more than you give I promise you![/p][/quote]Roger, your intelligence is not in question ! unfortunately your mental health is up for debate, Believe me when I tell you, You have never, nor never will WIND ME UP !. That I am afraid you will never be capable of. You just amuse me in a sick way of which I am not proud, like watching the goings on at a mental institution. Your hypocrisy is unequalled by anyone past or present on this site and humorous at best. You seem to have it in your head (note not thick scull) that we our one big group of chav bullies that regularly gets together down the Red Lion and decides who we are going to victimize next. I can assure you 99% of us have never met before or have any intention of doing so. We just happen to share an opinion that we believe rational and are happy to have our voices heard. You and others are always welcome to express a different opinion, after all thats the prime objective to debate these differing opinions and then decide I/WE were/was right all along. The reason that you seem to get up so many peoples noses(probably in your everyday life as well) is your constant putting down of people and condescending attitude to one and all. I am here to offer you some classes in life skills at a generous rate of £200 per hour ! I would suggest a group of at least six minimum. At the end of the course I will guarantee you have at least one friend in the world even if that happens to be my bank manager. I hope I have not offended you in any way , but its like having to tell your best pal that his breath stinks and he has a bit of B,O. As I am sure you are familiar with this scenario , oh I forgot you dont have any friends to tell you a few home truths do you ? As I said before special offer for you £200 per hour ! let me know when you are ready ! but please leave it until the morning as I am off to watch Big Brother now .[/p][/quote]You are beyond windups, in fact I would put you at the bottom of the list for everything and the quality on this site is already quite low. rogeruk

12:57am Tue 7 Jan 14

rogeruk says...

Stoney77 wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
Stoney77 wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
Harry's Bar wrote:
mickallen57 wrote:
honest-view wrote:
I have never had to read so much drivel in all my days.
Children do not like getting someone arguing and like to be the better.
It reads just like that.
Please just good old football comments please
Couldn't agree more, I have posted many times on abusive behaviour .I cannot understand it. Surely we are all Watford fans and as such should respect each others views .
I come to this site to be informed of the latest news and to listen to the views of the fans on this site. We are not all going to agree but lets debate the point not get dragged into a slagging match . Different opinions make life interesting. If you can't debate the point and have to resort to name calling I believe Luton F.C. have a site that might be more to your taste. Come on lads get a grip we are all in this together COYH
I have just read through the entire thread and personally found it most entertaining. I am intrigued by Roger, is he a multi national, multi lingual businessman, or has he been sectioned under the Mental Health Act. I honestly have no idea. Great fun though (if you take the offensive comments with a pinch of salt).
Another one who seeks solace in numbers! Every one of your statements contradicts the other, you crave the OK from your fellow chavs to give you some type of credence. If you were even a tiny bit intelligent you could at least use an original insult not resorting to the standard Chav retort, mental, Plonker and so on!

What does it feel like to wake up in the morning and look in the mirror, not good heh? Staring back at you is that loser Chav face forcing you to live a life of denial, don’t blame you though, if I was you (God forbid) I would probably do the same or you could end it all and do the world a favour!
There are very very few times in life where use of the c word is justified in public. In my opinion it Is one of the most powerful words in our vocabulary, particularly with regards to the reactions that the use of the word can cause.

Judging by your comments, Roger, you appear to live on a moral high ground all of your own and come across as a very sanctimonious person.

The only people that you have not insulted on this 'forum' are those that agreed with you with regards to Zolas departure, indeed some comments you made toward them regarding you all coming together as freedom warriors or whatever was encouraging sheeple-ism, don't you think?

Anyhow, I digress; in your last post you have just implied that someone, whom you insinuate has self esteem issues, should kill themselves to make the world a better place........yet you have the cheek to call other peoples behaviour as vulgar?.....

.....What a F++KING VILE, DISGUSTING, C+++ you are to say such a thing. What a horrible piece of 5hit you've become in life, however old you are. There is no other word but the c word to describe someone who goads another person to take their own life.

Finally, you know that most people on here, regardless of their differences would probably be happy to meet up and have a beer or something given the chance. But you'd be the only one who wouldn't. Of course, you'll say 'but why would I want to meet up with Chavs like you"..... Truth is though, you wouldn't have the guts.

C - - T.
What a sanctimonious vulgar lewd piece of work you are! All of you and your kind are into wind ups but when somebody winds up one of your ilk you react like typical bullies – you can’t take it. You are a bunch of total hypocrites! You stick to together like dung in a pig sty and that’s really not fair to pigs. As to your opinion it has no credence and is therefore worthless!

Stop playing the false caring mate of another Chav, you also use the word goad in the wrong context. Why can’t he defend himself? I have seen in town centres like Watford such appalling drunken and brutish behaviour the type you are capable of, Police have told me these are the type of people who should be put down at birth!

I wanted to prove three things and succeeded on all three:

1. How easy it is to wind up ‘wind up merchants’
2. How easy it is to beat them ‘at their own game’
3. How to achieve a reaction without resorting to Chav language and barbarian behaviour with use of profane words like F & C.

Neither do I buy into your pious argument about a few times there is a reason to use the C word in public, you do it all the time. Its the way of life of living in the gutter.

Who in their right mind would want to spend any time with you or the mates you purport to defend, I have said many times so finally get it into one of your two brain cells, I am completely indifferent to you and your profane insults, you are gutter trash, as to wanting to be popular! What with you lot the biggest bunch of losers ever gathered on this site!

I understand why Zola received such support from you losers you comfort each other in this horrible world –diddum’s!

I am telling you now you and your bunch of cronies stop bullying innocent posters on here, you are bullies, you don’t tolerate other people’s opinions and that is not acceptable best you stay of this site and spiel your poison where it will be more tolerable like Broadmoor!

I have shown to you in an urbane way with power of intellect. English is so much more powerful than visceral responses with lewd behaviour, profanity and bullying. However, I suspect that will be totally lost on you.

On football matters, you childishly say I don’t insult people who agree with me, wrong! I don’t insult people unless they insult me first! I don’t originate insults, I retaliate!

Secondly the people you refer are civilized and don’t behave like you and your bunch of cronies! I enjoy disagreement only by accepting other peoples views can you get an insight and sometime learn things, however, those people are different to you and your cohorts!

I wrote a piece on football about attendances and Watford’s future, not one of you cronies responded or contributed to the post with a football comment, it was received with insult after insult from your mates.

You need to understand there is more than one way to live your life and there are many who don’t like your life style in the gutter with every second word being an F or a C, the constant insults and wind ups. You are full of yourself in pretending to take the 'high' ground' which is laughable considerable you actually live a life in the lower gutters.

As with all Bullies you give it but can’t take it! I am ready to deal with all of you until you stop this aggressive behaviour to other posters so carry on I am not going away! If you or your mates want to carry on the insults be prepared for retaliation you will get back more than you give I promise you!
Having skimmed through your response I note that you have avoided the questions which you would find difficult to respond to. As usual.

Anyway I don't know Harry's Bar, never met him and I was not standing up for him, I was standing up for the principals that I believe in.

As I said previously, you implied that someone, whom you insinuate has self esteem issues, should kill themselves to make the world a better place... And for me, in a world where suicide rates, particularly amongst men, increase markedly decade by decade, the only person that would stoop so low as to encourage someone to kill themselves is the lowest of the low. It's on the same level as making fun of someone based on race or disability. It's repulsive and offensive, and goes against my principals.

By the way, it is possible to view a history of all users comments in this website so don't bang on too much about not being a hypocrite and never insulting people unless they have insulted you first. The evidence is out there.
You and principals that’s a brilliant oxymoron. If you say the evidence is out then then as the accuser it is down to you to show the evidence so where is it? This is why you resort to generalizaions andwhy you have no credence.

On the surface you are a thuggish lout with a false sense of yourself and your own importance with serious delusional problems, you play to the crowd but they work you out, you act before thinking, you have no self control but after reflection you apologise for what you have done there is a pattern here. Any support you get is normally from those I have retaliated against following their insults to me|! Your arguments as always are on thin ice, you employ selective memory which is not even subtle but evident, you try to be a player and fail miserably.

After taking the bait, you are now harping on hanging on for dear life in a childish attempt to justify your pathetic play, the 99% of other issues I raise with you yet remain unanswered proves how incapable you are in engaging with issues! Not a single reply yet you accuse me of not answering your points which one is that, be specific?

You hide behind generalizations and avoid specifics. Due to your delusion and in a vain attempt to justify yourself you attempt to transfer your faults onto me, there is a type of Schizophrenia known as Borderline Personality Disorder BPD, you show many symptoms of being a nailed on case! I suggest you look up the symptoms some of which are self-harm or suicide thoughts, in your post you rant on about it, like it’s something of importance to you i.e. it touches a nerve, normal stable people don’t have these thoughts! I didn’t communicate with you, it was you whose chose to react you say because it’s repulsive, offensive and goes against your principals. Very strange from an unprincipled person who is almost always offensive, violent, foul mouthed, wind up merchant himself, it’s just on that one subject it touched a nerve. Can you not see the contradiction here? You think it’s OK when you behave badly but not OK when people retaliate against you! What’s more you cave credence from others for your actions because you are not strong enough as an individual to fight your own corner you need that gang or crowd culture to support you which is classic Bullying or in your case something even more serious.


Knowing you and your mates are all wind up merchants I wanted to see how one of you react when the .shoe is on the other foot'. I analysed your previous behaviour and for this reason you were not chosen, knowing somebody else other than you would see it as a windup! Why would you take my post so personally when it wasn’t sent to you?

Classic BPD is to subconsciously transfer the windup onto yourself causing you to completely ‘lose it’ as you did in a visceral outburst to me an adversary on this site! You went completely nuts, (also a symptom) followed by a very violent and aggressive post using every type of vile language imaginable which of course exposes you for the creature you are and not the image you crave!

Bizarrely in another post firstly apologising to the site was followed immediately with an attempt to justify the violence and profanity on the basis it was me (I did not send you that post)! Can’t you see the thread of BPD here? Have a reread of your post to me and see how you would react if you were the person receiving it considering it was not sent to you. I knew somebody would take the bait and it was you! Another symptom of BPD is outbreaks of violence with violent thought followed by apologies and self-remorse. BPD sufferers enjoy conflict especially with friends and in family stirring things up between close families in order to get a reaction always negative, where there is harmony to cause disharmony.

You admit yourself you don’t know the guy the post was sent to however, that did not stop you from a violent outburst combined with threats symptomatic of BPD.

For your own sake and those around you get help. I will lay off you but only on the proviso you do not communicate with me if it doesn’t concern you directly. which it won’t because I will not post to you except in retaliation! Your symptoms impact on everybody, your mates, your family even here on this site. I suggest you think about this before replying which I suggest you don’t, otherwise you will be back to square one.
[quote][p][bold]Stoney77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stoney77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harry's Bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mickallen57[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]honest-view[/bold] wrote: I have never had to read so much drivel in all my days. Children do not like getting someone arguing and like to be the better. It reads just like that. Please just good old football comments please[/p][/quote]Couldn't agree more, I have posted many times on abusive behaviour .I cannot understand it. Surely we are all Watford fans and as such should respect each others views . I come to this site to be informed of the latest news and to listen to the views of the fans on this site. We are not all going to agree but lets debate the point not get dragged into a slagging match . Different opinions make life interesting. If you can't debate the point and have to resort to name calling I believe Luton F.C. have a site that might be more to your taste. Come on lads get a grip we are all in this together COYH[/p][/quote]I have just read through the entire thread and personally found it most entertaining. I am intrigued by Roger, is he a multi national, multi lingual businessman, or has he been sectioned under the Mental Health Act. I honestly have no idea. Great fun though (if you take the offensive comments with a pinch of salt).[/p][/quote]Another one who seeks solace in numbers! Every one of your statements contradicts the other, you crave the OK from your fellow chavs to give you some type of credence. If you were even a tiny bit intelligent you could at least use an original insult not resorting to the standard Chav retort, mental, Plonker and so on! What does it feel like to wake up in the morning and look in the mirror, not good heh? Staring back at you is that loser Chav face forcing you to live a life of denial, don’t blame you though, if I was you (God forbid) I would probably do the same or you could end it all and do the world a favour![/p][/quote]There are very very few times in life where use of the c word is justified in public. In my opinion it Is one of the most powerful words in our vocabulary, particularly with regards to the reactions that the use of the word can cause. Judging by your comments, Roger, you appear to live on a moral high ground all of your own and come across as a very sanctimonious person. The only people that you have not insulted on this 'forum' are those that agreed with you with regards to Zolas departure, indeed some comments you made toward them regarding you all coming together as freedom warriors or whatever was encouraging sheeple-ism, don't you think? Anyhow, I digress; in your last post you have just implied that someone, whom you insinuate has self esteem issues, should kill themselves to make the world a better place........yet you have the cheek to call other peoples behaviour as vulgar?..... .....What a F++KING VILE, DISGUSTING, C+++ you are to say such a thing. What a horrible piece of 5hit you've become in life, however old you are. There is no other word but the c word to describe someone who goads another person to take their own life. Finally, you know that most people on here, regardless of their differences would probably be happy to meet up and have a beer or something given the chance. But you'd be the only one who wouldn't. Of course, you'll say 'but why would I want to meet up with Chavs like you"..... Truth is though, you wouldn't have the guts. C - - T.[/p][/quote]What a sanctimonious vulgar lewd piece of work you are! All of you and your kind are into wind ups but when somebody winds up one of your ilk you react like typical bullies – you can’t take it. You are a bunch of total hypocrites! You stick to together like dung in a pig sty and that’s really not fair to pigs. As to your opinion it has no credence and is therefore worthless! Stop playing the false caring mate of another Chav, you also use the word goad in the wrong context. Why can’t he defend himself? I have seen in town centres like Watford such appalling drunken and brutish behaviour the type you are capable of, Police have told me these are the type of people who should be put down at birth! I wanted to prove three things and succeeded on all three: 1. How easy it is to wind up ‘wind up merchants’ 2. How easy it is to beat them ‘at their own game’ 3. How to achieve a reaction without resorting to Chav language and barbarian behaviour with use of profane words like F & C. Neither do I buy into your pious argument about a few times there is a reason to use the C word in public, you do it all the time. Its the way of life of living in the gutter. Who in their right mind would want to spend any time with you or the mates you purport to defend, I have said many times so finally get it into one of your two brain cells, I am completely indifferent to you and your profane insults, you are gutter trash, as to wanting to be popular! What with you lot the biggest bunch of losers ever gathered on this site! I understand why Zola received such support from you losers you comfort each other in this horrible world –diddum’s! I am telling you now you and your bunch of cronies stop bullying innocent posters on here, you are bullies, you don’t tolerate other people’s opinions and that is not acceptable best you stay of this site and spiel your poison where it will be more tolerable like Broadmoor! I have shown to you in an urbane way with power of intellect. English is so much more powerful than visceral responses with lewd behaviour, profanity and bullying. However, I suspect that will be totally lost on you. On football matters, you childishly say I don’t insult people who agree with me, wrong! I don’t insult people unless they insult me first! I don’t originate insults, I retaliate! Secondly the people you refer are civilized and don’t behave like you and your bunch of cronies! I enjoy disagreement only by accepting other peoples views can you get an insight and sometime learn things, however, those people are different to you and your cohorts! I wrote a piece on football about attendances and Watford’s future, not one of you cronies responded or contributed to the post with a football comment, it was received with insult after insult from your mates. You need to understand there is more than one way to live your life and there are many who don’t like your life style in the gutter with every second word being an F or a C, the constant insults and wind ups. You are full of yourself in pretending to take the 'high' ground' which is laughable considerable you actually live a life in the lower gutters. As with all Bullies you give it but can’t take it! I am ready to deal with all of you until you stop this aggressive behaviour to other posters so carry on I am not going away! If you or your mates want to carry on the insults be prepared for retaliation you will get back more than you give I promise you![/p][/quote]Having skimmed through your response I note that you have avoided the questions which you would find difficult to respond to. As usual. Anyway I don't know Harry's Bar, never met him and I was not standing up for him, I was standing up for the principals that I believe in. As I said previously, you implied that someone, whom you insinuate has self esteem issues, should kill themselves to make the world a better place... And for me, in a world where suicide rates, particularly amongst men, increase markedly decade by decade, the only person that would stoop so low as to encourage someone to kill themselves is the lowest of the low. It's on the same level as making fun of someone based on race or disability. It's repulsive and offensive, and goes against my principals. By the way, it is possible to view a history of all users comments in this website so don't bang on too much about not being a hypocrite and never insulting people unless they have insulted you first. The evidence is out there.[/p][/quote]You and principals that’s a brilliant oxymoron. If you say the evidence is out then then as the accuser it is down to you to show the evidence so where is it? This is why you resort to generalizaions andwhy you have no credence. On the surface you are a thuggish lout with a false sense of yourself and your own importance with serious delusional problems, you play to the crowd but they work you out, you act before thinking, you have no self control but after reflection you apologise for what you have done there is a pattern here. Any support you get is normally from those I have retaliated against following their insults to me|! Your arguments as always are on thin ice, you employ selective memory which is not even subtle but evident, you try to be a player and fail miserably. After taking the bait, you are now harping on hanging on for dear life in a childish attempt to justify your pathetic play, the 99% of other issues I raise with you yet remain unanswered proves how incapable you are in engaging with issues! Not a single reply yet you accuse me of not answering your points which one is that, be specific? You hide behind generalizations and avoid specifics. Due to your delusion and in a vain attempt to justify yourself you attempt to transfer your faults onto me, there is a type of Schizophrenia known as Borderline Personality Disorder BPD, you show many symptoms of being a nailed on case! I suggest you look up the symptoms some of which are self-harm or suicide thoughts, in your post you rant on about it, like it’s something of importance to you i.e. it touches a nerve, normal stable people don’t have these thoughts! I didn’t communicate with you, it was you whose chose to react you say because it’s repulsive, offensive and goes against your principals. Very strange from an unprincipled person who is almost always offensive, violent, foul mouthed, wind up merchant himself, it’s just on that one subject it touched a nerve. Can you not see the contradiction here? You think it’s OK when you behave badly but not OK when people retaliate against you! What’s more you cave credence from others for your actions because you are not strong enough as an individual to fight your own corner you need that gang or crowd culture to support you which is classic Bullying or in your case something even more serious. Knowing you and your mates are all wind up merchants I wanted to see how one of you react when the .shoe is on the other foot'. I analysed your previous behaviour and for this reason you were not chosen, knowing somebody else other than you would see it as a windup! Why would you take my post so personally when it wasn’t sent to you? Classic BPD is to subconsciously transfer the windup onto yourself causing you to completely ‘lose it’ as you did in a visceral outburst to me an adversary on this site! You went completely nuts, (also a symptom) followed by a very violent and aggressive post using every type of vile language imaginable which of course exposes you for the creature you are and not the image you crave! Bizarrely in another post firstly apologising to the site was followed immediately with an attempt to justify the violence and profanity on the basis it was me (I did not send you that post)! Can’t you see the thread of BPD here? Have a reread of your post to me and see how you would react if you were the person receiving it considering it was not sent to you. I knew somebody would take the bait and it was you! Another symptom of BPD is outbreaks of violence with violent thought followed by apologies and self-remorse. BPD sufferers enjoy conflict especially with friends and in family stirring things up between close families in order to get a reaction always negative, where there is harmony to cause disharmony. You admit yourself you don’t know the guy the post was sent to however, that did not stop you from a violent outburst combined with threats symptomatic of BPD. For your own sake and those around you get help. I will lay off you but only on the proviso you do not communicate with me if it doesn’t concern you directly. which it won’t because I will not post to you except in retaliation! Your symptoms impact on everybody, your mates, your family even here on this site. I suggest you think about this before replying which I suggest you don’t, otherwise you will be back to square one. rogeruk

7:04am Tue 7 Jan 14

mellow yellow says...

rogeruk wrote:
Stoney77 wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
Stoney77 wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
Harry's Bar wrote:
mickallen57 wrote:
honest-view wrote:
I have never had to read so much drivel in all my days.
Children do not like getting someone arguing and like to be the better.
It reads just like that.
Please just good old football comments please
Couldn't agree more, I have posted many times on abusive behaviour .I cannot understand it. Surely we are all Watford fans and as such should respect each others views .
I come to this site to be informed of the latest news and to listen to the views of the fans on this site. We are not all going to agree but lets debate the point not get dragged into a slagging match . Different opinions make life interesting. If you can't debate the point and have to resort to name calling I believe Luton F.C. have a site that might be more to your taste. Come on lads get a grip we are all in this together COYH
I have just read through the entire thread and personally found it most entertaining. I am intrigued by Roger, is he a multi national, multi lingual businessman, or has he been sectioned under the Mental Health Act. I honestly have no idea. Great fun though (if you take the offensive comments with a pinch of salt).
Another one who seeks solace in numbers! Every one of your statements contradicts the other, you crave the OK from your fellow chavs to give you some type of credence. If you were even a tiny bit intelligent you could at least use an original insult not resorting to the standard Chav retort, mental, Plonker and so on!

What does it feel like to wake up in the morning and look in the mirror, not good heh? Staring back at you is that loser Chav face forcing you to live a life of denial, don’t blame you though, if I was you (God forbid) I would probably do the same or you could end it all and do the world a favour!
There are very very few times in life where use of the c word is justified in public. In my opinion it Is one of the most powerful words in our vocabulary, particularly with regards to the reactions that the use of the word can cause.

Judging by your comments, Roger, you appear to live on a moral high ground all of your own and come across as a very sanctimonious person.

The only people that you have not insulted on this 'forum' are those that agreed with you with regards to Zolas departure, indeed some comments you made toward them regarding you all coming together as freedom warriors or whatever was encouraging sheeple-ism, don't you think?

Anyhow, I digress; in your last post you have just implied that someone, whom you insinuate has self esteem issues, should kill themselves to make the world a better place........yet you have the cheek to call other peoples behaviour as vulgar?.....

.....What a F++KING VILE, DISGUSTING, C+++ you are to say such a thing. What a horrible piece of 5hit you've become in life, however old you are. There is no other word but the c word to describe someone who goads another person to take their own life.

Finally, you know that most people on here, regardless of their differences would probably be happy to meet up and have a beer or something given the chance. But you'd be the only one who wouldn't. Of course, you'll say 'but why would I want to meet up with Chavs like you"..... Truth is though, you wouldn't have the guts.

C - - T.
What a sanctimonious vulgar lewd piece of work you are! All of you and your kind are into wind ups but when somebody winds up one of your ilk you react like typical bullies – you can’t take it. You are a bunch of total hypocrites! You stick to together like dung in a pig sty and that’s really not fair to pigs. As to your opinion it has no credence and is therefore worthless!

Stop playing the false caring mate of another Chav, you also use the word goad in the wrong context. Why can’t he defend himself? I have seen in town centres like Watford such appalling drunken and brutish behaviour the type you are capable of, Police have told me these are the type of people who should be put down at birth!

I wanted to prove three things and succeeded on all three:

1. How easy it is to wind up ‘wind up merchants’
2. How easy it is to beat them ‘at their own game’
3. How to achieve a reaction without resorting to Chav language and barbarian behaviour with use of profane words like F & C.

Neither do I buy into your pious argument about a few times there is a reason to use the C word in public, you do it all the time. Its the way of life of living in the gutter.

Who in their right mind would want to spend any time with you or the mates you purport to defend, I have said many times so finally get it into one of your two brain cells, I am completely indifferent to you and your profane insults, you are gutter trash, as to wanting to be popular! What with you lot the biggest bunch of losers ever gathered on this site!

I understand why Zola received such support from you losers you comfort each other in this horrible world –diddum’s!

I am telling you now you and your bunch of cronies stop bullying innocent posters on here, you are bullies, you don’t tolerate other people’s opinions and that is not acceptable best you stay of this site and spiel your poison where it will be more tolerable like Broadmoor!

I have shown to you in an urbane way with power of intellect. English is so much more powerful than visceral responses with lewd behaviour, profanity and bullying. However, I suspect that will be totally lost on you.

On football matters, you childishly say I don’t insult people who agree with me, wrong! I don’t insult people unless they insult me first! I don’t originate insults, I retaliate!

Secondly the people you refer are civilized and don’t behave like you and your bunch of cronies! I enjoy disagreement only by accepting other peoples views can you get an insight and sometime learn things, however, those people are different to you and your cohorts!

I wrote a piece on football about attendances and Watford’s future, not one of you cronies responded or contributed to the post with a football comment, it was received with insult after insult from your mates.

You need to understand there is more than one way to live your life and there are many who don’t like your life style in the gutter with every second word being an F or a C, the constant insults and wind ups. You are full of yourself in pretending to take the 'high' ground' which is laughable considerable you actually live a life in the lower gutters.

As with all Bullies you give it but can’t take it! I am ready to deal with all of you until you stop this aggressive behaviour to other posters so carry on I am not going away! If you or your mates want to carry on the insults be prepared for retaliation you will get back more than you give I promise you!
Having skimmed through your response I note that you have avoided the questions which you would find difficult to respond to. As usual.

Anyway I don't know Harry's Bar, never met him and I was not standing up for him, I was standing up for the principals that I believe in.

As I said previously, you implied that someone, whom you insinuate has self esteem issues, should kill themselves to make the world a better place... And for me, in a world where suicide rates, particularly amongst men, increase markedly decade by decade, the only person that would stoop so low as to encourage someone to kill themselves is the lowest of the low. It's on the same level as making fun of someone based on race or disability. It's repulsive and offensive, and goes against my principals.

By the way, it is possible to view a history of all users comments in this website so don't bang on too much about not being a hypocrite and never insulting people unless they have insulted you first. The evidence is out there.
You and principals that’s a brilliant oxymoron. If you say the evidence is out then then as the accuser it is down to you to show the evidence so where is it? This is why you resort to generalizaions andwhy you have no credence.

On the surface you are a thuggish lout with a false sense of yourself and your own importance with serious delusional problems, you play to the crowd but they work you out, you act before thinking, you have no self control but after reflection you apologise for what you have done there is a pattern here. Any support you get is normally from those I have retaliated against following their insults to me|! Your arguments as always are on thin ice, you employ selective memory which is not even subtle but evident, you try to be a player and fail miserably.

After taking the bait, you are now harping on hanging on for dear life in a childish attempt to justify your pathetic play, the 99% of other issues I raise with you yet remain unanswered proves how incapable you are in engaging with issues! Not a single reply yet you accuse me of not answering your points which one is that, be specific?

You hide behind generalizations and avoid specifics. Due to your delusion and in a vain attempt to justify yourself you attempt to transfer your faults onto me, there is a type of Schizophrenia known as Borderline Personality Disorder BPD, you show many symptoms of being a nailed on case! I suggest you look up the symptoms some of which are self-harm or suicide thoughts, in your post you rant on about it, like it’s something of importance to you i.e. it touches a nerve, normal stable people don’t have these thoughts! I didn’t communicate with you, it was you whose chose to react you say because it’s repulsive, offensive and goes against your principals. Very strange from an unprincipled person who is almost always offensive, violent, foul mouthed, wind up merchant himself, it’s just on that one subject it touched a nerve. Can you not see the contradiction here? You think it’s OK when you behave badly but not OK when people retaliate against you! What’s more you cave credence from others for your actions because you are not strong enough as an individual to fight your own corner you need that gang or crowd culture to support you which is classic Bullying or in your case something even more serious.


Knowing you and your mates are all wind up merchants I wanted to see how one of you react when the .shoe is on the other foot'. I analysed your previous behaviour and for this reason you were not chosen, knowing somebody else other than you would see it as a windup! Why would you take my post so personally when it wasn’t sent to you?

Classic BPD is to subconsciously transfer the windup onto yourself causing you to completely ‘lose it’ as you did in a visceral outburst to me an adversary on this site! You went completely nuts, (also a symptom) followed by a very violent and aggressive post using every type of vile language imaginable which of course exposes you for the creature you are and not the image you crave!

Bizarrely in another post firstly apologising to the site was followed immediately with an attempt to justify the violence and profanity on the basis it was me (I did not send you that post)! Can’t you see the thread of BPD here? Have a reread of your post to me and see how you would react if you were the person receiving it considering it was not sent to you. I knew somebody would take the bait and it was you! Another symptom of BPD is outbreaks of violence with violent thought followed by apologies and self-remorse. BPD sufferers enjoy conflict especially with friends and in family stirring things up between close families in order to get a reaction always negative, where there is harmony to cause disharmony.

You admit yourself you don’t know the guy the post was sent to however, that did not stop you from a violent outburst combined with threats symptomatic of BPD.

For your own sake and those around you get help. I will lay off you but only on the proviso you do not communicate with me if it doesn’t concern you directly. which it won’t because I will not post to you except in retaliation! Your symptoms impact on everybody, your mates, your family even here on this site. I suggest you think about this before replying which I suggest you don’t, otherwise you will be back to square one.
Quality. An international businessman. A political philosopher. A vanguard of the proletariat. And now an expert in psychology. And not a mention of football anywhere in your essay.

And you can't say I'm criticising you, for they are all statements of truth, eh Rog?
[quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stoney77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stoney77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harry's Bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mickallen57[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]honest-view[/bold] wrote: I have never had to read so much drivel in all my days. Children do not like getting someone arguing and like to be the better. It reads just like that. Please just good old football comments please[/p][/quote]Couldn't agree more, I have posted many times on abusive behaviour .I cannot understand it. Surely we are all Watford fans and as such should respect each others views . I come to this site to be informed of the latest news and to listen to the views of the fans on this site. We are not all going to agree but lets debate the point not get dragged into a slagging match . Different opinions make life interesting. If you can't debate the point and have to resort to name calling I believe Luton F.C. have a site that might be more to your taste. Come on lads get a grip we are all in this together COYH[/p][/quote]I have just read through the entire thread and personally found it most entertaining. I am intrigued by Roger, is he a multi national, multi lingual businessman, or has he been sectioned under the Mental Health Act. I honestly have no idea. Great fun though (if you take the offensive comments with a pinch of salt).[/p][/quote]Another one who seeks solace in numbers! Every one of your statements contradicts the other, you crave the OK from your fellow chavs to give you some type of credence. If you were even a tiny bit intelligent you could at least use an original insult not resorting to the standard Chav retort, mental, Plonker and so on! What does it feel like to wake up in the morning and look in the mirror, not good heh? Staring back at you is that loser Chav face forcing you to live a life of denial, don’t blame you though, if I was you (God forbid) I would probably do the same or you could end it all and do the world a favour![/p][/quote]There are very very few times in life where use of the c word is justified in public. In my opinion it Is one of the most powerful words in our vocabulary, particularly with regards to the reactions that the use of the word can cause. Judging by your comments, Roger, you appear to live on a moral high ground all of your own and come across as a very sanctimonious person. The only people that you have not insulted on this 'forum' are those that agreed with you with regards to Zolas departure, indeed some comments you made toward them regarding you all coming together as freedom warriors or whatever was encouraging sheeple-ism, don't you think? Anyhow, I digress; in your last post you have just implied that someone, whom you insinuate has self esteem issues, should kill themselves to make the world a better place........yet you have the cheek to call other peoples behaviour as vulgar?..... .....What a F++KING VILE, DISGUSTING, C+++ you are to say such a thing. What a horrible piece of 5hit you've become in life, however old you are. There is no other word but the c word to describe someone who goads another person to take their own life. Finally, you know that most people on here, regardless of their differences would probably be happy to meet up and have a beer or something given the chance. But you'd be the only one who wouldn't. Of course, you'll say 'but why would I want to meet up with Chavs like you"..... Truth is though, you wouldn't have the guts. C - - T.[/p][/quote]What a sanctimonious vulgar lewd piece of work you are! All of you and your kind are into wind ups but when somebody winds up one of your ilk you react like typical bullies – you can’t take it. You are a bunch of total hypocrites! You stick to together like dung in a pig sty and that’s really not fair to pigs. As to your opinion it has no credence and is therefore worthless! Stop playing the false caring mate of another Chav, you also use the word goad in the wrong context. Why can’t he defend himself? I have seen in town centres like Watford such appalling drunken and brutish behaviour the type you are capable of, Police have told me these are the type of people who should be put down at birth! I wanted to prove three things and succeeded on all three: 1. How easy it is to wind up ‘wind up merchants’ 2. How easy it is to beat them ‘at their own game’ 3. How to achieve a reaction without resorting to Chav language and barbarian behaviour with use of profane words like F & C. Neither do I buy into your pious argument about a few times there is a reason to use the C word in public, you do it all the time. Its the way of life of living in the gutter. Who in their right mind would want to spend any time with you or the mates you purport to defend, I have said many times so finally get it into one of your two brain cells, I am completely indifferent to you and your profane insults, you are gutter trash, as to wanting to be popular! What with you lot the biggest bunch of losers ever gathered on this site! I understand why Zola received such support from you losers you comfort each other in this horrible world –diddum’s! I am telling you now you and your bunch of cronies stop bullying innocent posters on here, you are bullies, you don’t tolerate other people’s opinions and that is not acceptable best you stay of this site and spiel your poison where it will be more tolerable like Broadmoor! I have shown to you in an urbane way with power of intellect. English is so much more powerful than visceral responses with lewd behaviour, profanity and bullying. However, I suspect that will be totally lost on you. On football matters, you childishly say I don’t insult people who agree with me, wrong! I don’t insult people unless they insult me first! I don’t originate insults, I retaliate! Secondly the people you refer are civilized and don’t behave like you and your bunch of cronies! I enjoy disagreement only by accepting other peoples views can you get an insight and sometime learn things, however, those people are different to you and your cohorts! I wrote a piece on football about attendances and Watford’s future, not one of you cronies responded or contributed to the post with a football comment, it was received with insult after insult from your mates. You need to understand there is more than one way to live your life and there are many who don’t like your life style in the gutter with every second word being an F or a C, the constant insults and wind ups. You are full of yourself in pretending to take the 'high' ground' which is laughable considerable you actually live a life in the lower gutters. As with all Bullies you give it but can’t take it! I am ready to deal with all of you until you stop this aggressive behaviour to other posters so carry on I am not going away! If you or your mates want to carry on the insults be prepared for retaliation you will get back more than you give I promise you![/p][/quote]Having skimmed through your response I note that you have avoided the questions which you would find difficult to respond to. As usual. Anyway I don't know Harry's Bar, never met him and I was not standing up for him, I was standing up for the principals that I believe in. As I said previously, you implied that someone, whom you insinuate has self esteem issues, should kill themselves to make the world a better place... And for me, in a world where suicide rates, particularly amongst men, increase markedly decade by decade, the only person that would stoop so low as to encourage someone to kill themselves is the lowest of the low. It's on the same level as making fun of someone based on race or disability. It's repulsive and offensive, and goes against my principals. By the way, it is possible to view a history of all users comments in this website so don't bang on too much about not being a hypocrite and never insulting people unless they have insulted you first. The evidence is out there.[/p][/quote]You and principals that’s a brilliant oxymoron. If you say the evidence is out then then as the accuser it is down to you to show the evidence so where is it? This is why you resort to generalizaions andwhy you have no credence. On the surface you are a thuggish lout with a false sense of yourself and your own importance with serious delusional problems, you play to the crowd but they work you out, you act before thinking, you have no self control but after reflection you apologise for what you have done there is a pattern here. Any support you get is normally from those I have retaliated against following their insults to me|! Your arguments as always are on thin ice, you employ selective memory which is not even subtle but evident, you try to be a player and fail miserably. After taking the bait, you are now harping on hanging on for dear life in a childish attempt to justify your pathetic play, the 99% of other issues I raise with you yet remain unanswered proves how incapable you are in engaging with issues! Not a single reply yet you accuse me of not answering your points which one is that, be specific? You hide behind generalizations and avoid specifics. Due to your delusion and in a vain attempt to justify yourself you attempt to transfer your faults onto me, there is a type of Schizophrenia known as Borderline Personality Disorder BPD, you show many symptoms of being a nailed on case! I suggest you look up the symptoms some of which are self-harm or suicide thoughts, in your post you rant on about it, like it’s something of importance to you i.e. it touches a nerve, normal stable people don’t have these thoughts! I didn’t communicate with you, it was you whose chose to react you say because it’s repulsive, offensive and goes against your principals. Very strange from an unprincipled person who is almost always offensive, violent, foul mouthed, wind up merchant himself, it’s just on that one subject it touched a nerve. Can you not see the contradiction here? You think it’s OK when you behave badly but not OK when people retaliate against you! What’s more you cave credence from others for your actions because you are not strong enough as an individual to fight your own corner you need that gang or crowd culture to support you which is classic Bullying or in your case something even more serious. Knowing you and your mates are all wind up merchants I wanted to see how one of you react when the .shoe is on the other foot'. I analysed your previous behaviour and for this reason you were not chosen, knowing somebody else other than you would see it as a windup! Why would you take my post so personally when it wasn’t sent to you? Classic BPD is to subconsciously transfer the windup onto yourself causing you to completely ‘lose it’ as you did in a visceral outburst to me an adversary on this site! You went completely nuts, (also a symptom) followed by a very violent and aggressive post using every type of vile language imaginable which of course exposes you for the creature you are and not the image you crave! Bizarrely in another post firstly apologising to the site was followed immediately with an attempt to justify the violence and profanity on the basis it was me (I did not send you that post)! Can’t you see the thread of BPD here? Have a reread of your post to me and see how you would react if you were the person receiving it considering it was not sent to you. I knew somebody would take the bait and it was you! Another symptom of BPD is outbreaks of violence with violent thought followed by apologies and self-remorse. BPD sufferers enjoy conflict especially with friends and in family stirring things up between close families in order to get a reaction always negative, where there is harmony to cause disharmony. You admit yourself you don’t know the guy the post was sent to however, that did not stop you from a violent outburst combined with threats symptomatic of BPD. For your own sake and those around you get help. I will lay off you but only on the proviso you do not communicate with me if it doesn’t concern you directly. which it won’t because I will not post to you except in retaliation! Your symptoms impact on everybody, your mates, your family even here on this site. I suggest you think about this before replying which I suggest you don’t, otherwise you will be back to square one.[/p][/quote]Quality. An international businessman. A political philosopher. A vanguard of the proletariat. And now an expert in psychology. And not a mention of football anywhere in your essay. And you can't say I'm criticising you, for they are all statements of truth, eh Rog? mellow yellow

9:51am Tue 7 Jan 14

Harry's Bar says...

Hornet Cornet wrote:
A choice: My poetry or RogerUK's rants. Any prefence folks?
Could you have a word with Roger, possibly in prose, that might get through to him.

Roger, to lecture someone else on mental health issues, that really does take the biscuit. As you're such an expert on psychiatry maybe you could tell us about paranoid schizophrenia, or maybe bipolar disorder. Am I getting warm?
[quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: A choice: My poetry or RogerUK's rants. Any prefence folks?[/p][/quote]Could you have a word with Roger, possibly in prose, that might get through to him. Roger, to lecture someone else on mental health issues, that really does take the biscuit. As you're such an expert on psychiatry maybe you could tell us about paranoid schizophrenia, or maybe bipolar disorder. Am I getting warm? Harry's Bar

9:55am Tue 7 Jan 14

Stoney77 says...

rogeruk wrote:
Stoney77 wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
Stoney77 wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
Harry's Bar wrote:
mickallen57 wrote:
honest-view wrote:
I have never had to read so much drivel in all my days.
Children do not like getting someone arguing and like to be the better.
It reads just like that.
Please just good old football comments please
Couldn't agree more, I have posted many times on abusive behaviour .I cannot understand it. Surely we are all Watford fans and as such should respect each others views .
I come to this site to be informed of the latest news and to listen to the views of the fans on this site. We are not all going to agree but lets debate the point not get dragged into a slagging match . Different opinions make life interesting. If you can't debate the point and have to resort to name calling I believe Luton F.C. have a site that might be more to your taste. Come on lads get a grip we are all in this together COYH
I have just read through the entire thread and personally found it most entertaining. I am intrigued by Roger, is he a multi national, multi lingual businessman, or has he been sectioned under the Mental Health Act. I honestly have no idea. Great fun though (if you take the offensive comments with a pinch of salt).
Another one who seeks solace in numbers! Every one of your statements contradicts the other, you crave the OK from your fellow chavs to give you some type of credence. If you were even a tiny bit intelligent you could at least use an original insult not resorting to the standard Chav retort, mental, Plonker and so on!

What does it feel like to wake up in the morning and look in the mirror, not good heh? Staring back at you is that loser Chav face forcing you to live a life of denial, don’t blame you though, if I was you (God forbid) I would probably do the same or you could end it all and do the world a favour!
There are very very few times in life where use of the c word is justified in public. In my opinion it Is one of the most powerful words in our vocabulary, particularly with regards to the reactions that the use of the word can cause.

Judging by your comments, Roger, you appear to live on a moral high ground all of your own and come across as a very sanctimonious person.

The only people that you have not insulted on this 'forum' are those that agreed with you with regards to Zolas departure, indeed some comments you made toward them regarding you all coming together as freedom warriors or whatever was encouraging sheeple-ism, don't you think?

Anyhow, I digress; in your last post you have just implied that someone, whom you insinuate has self esteem issues, should kill themselves to make the world a better place........yet you have the cheek to call other peoples behaviour as vulgar?.....

.....What a F++KING VILE, DISGUSTING, C+++ you are to say such a thing. What a horrible piece of 5hit you've become in life, however old you are. There is no other word but the c word to describe someone who goads another person to take their own life.

Finally, you know that most people on here, regardless of their differences would probably be happy to meet up and have a beer or something given the chance. But you'd be the only one who wouldn't. Of course, you'll say 'but why would I want to meet up with Chavs like you"..... Truth is though, you wouldn't have the guts.

C - - T.
What a sanctimonious vulgar lewd piece of work you are! All of you and your kind are into wind ups but when somebody winds up one of your ilk you react like typical bullies – you can’t take it. You are a bunch of total hypocrites! You stick to together like dung in a pig sty and that’s really not fair to pigs. As to your opinion it has no credence and is therefore worthless!

Stop playing the false caring mate of another Chav, you also use the word goad in the wrong context. Why can’t he defend himself? I have seen in town centres like Watford such appalling drunken and brutish behaviour the type you are capable of, Police have told me these are the type of people who should be put down at birth!

I wanted to prove three things and succeeded on all three:

1. How easy it is to wind up ‘wind up merchants’
2. How easy it is to beat them ‘at their own game’
3. How to achieve a reaction without resorting to Chav language and barbarian behaviour with use of profane words like F & C.

Neither do I buy into your pious argument about a few times there is a reason to use the C word in public, you do it all the time. Its the way of life of living in the gutter.

Who in their right mind would want to spend any time with you or the mates you purport to defend, I have said many times so finally get it into one of your two brain cells, I am completely indifferent to you and your profane insults, you are gutter trash, as to wanting to be popular! What with you lot the biggest bunch of losers ever gathered on this site!

I understand why Zola received such support from you losers you comfort each other in this horrible world –diddum’s!

I am telling you now you and your bunch of cronies stop bullying innocent posters on here, you are bullies, you don’t tolerate other people’s opinions and that is not acceptable best you stay of this site and spiel your poison where it will be more tolerable like Broadmoor!

I have shown to you in an urbane way with power of intellect. English is so much more powerful than visceral responses with lewd behaviour, profanity and bullying. However, I suspect that will be totally lost on you.

On football matters, you childishly say I don’t insult people who agree with me, wrong! I don’t insult people unless they insult me first! I don’t originate insults, I retaliate!

Secondly the people you refer are civilized and don’t behave like you and your bunch of cronies! I enjoy disagreement only by accepting other peoples views can you get an insight and sometime learn things, however, those people are different to you and your cohorts!

I wrote a piece on football about attendances and Watford’s future, not one of you cronies responded or contributed to the post with a football comment, it was received with insult after insult from your mates.

You need to understand there is more than one way to live your life and there are many who don’t like your life style in the gutter with every second word being an F or a C, the constant insults and wind ups. You are full of yourself in pretending to take the 'high' ground' which is laughable considerable you actually live a life in the lower gutters.

As with all Bullies you give it but can’t take it! I am ready to deal with all of you until you stop this aggressive behaviour to other posters so carry on I am not going away! If you or your mates want to carry on the insults be prepared for retaliation you will get back more than you give I promise you!
Having skimmed through your response I note that you have avoided the questions which you would find difficult to respond to. As usual.

Anyway I don't know Harry's Bar, never met him and I was not standing up for him, I was standing up for the principals that I believe in.

As I said previously, you implied that someone, whom you insinuate has self esteem issues, should kill themselves to make the world a better place... And for me, in a world where suicide rates, particularly amongst men, increase markedly decade by decade, the only person that would stoop so low as to encourage someone to kill themselves is the lowest of the low. It's on the same level as making fun of someone based on race or disability. It's repulsive and offensive, and goes against my principals.

By the way, it is possible to view a history of all users comments in this website so don't bang on too much about not being a hypocrite and never insulting people unless they have insulted you first. The evidence is out there.
You and principals that’s a brilliant oxymoron. If you say the evidence is out then then as the accuser it is down to you to show the evidence so where is it? This is why you resort to generalizaions andwhy you have no credence.

On the surface you are a thuggish lout with a false sense of yourself and your own importance with serious delusional problems, you play to the crowd but they work you out, you act before thinking, you have no self control but after reflection you apologise for what you have done there is a pattern here. Any support you get is normally from those I have retaliated against following their insults to me|! Your arguments as always are on thin ice, you employ selective memory which is not even subtle but evident, you try to be a player and fail miserably.

After taking the bait, you are now harping on hanging on for dear life in a childish attempt to justify your pathetic play, the 99% of other issues I raise with you yet remain unanswered proves how incapable you are in engaging with issues! Not a single reply yet you accuse me of not answering your points which one is that, be specific?

You hide behind generalizations and avoid specifics. Due to your delusion and in a vain attempt to justify yourself you attempt to transfer your faults onto me, there is a type of Schizophrenia known as Borderline Personality Disorder BPD, you show many symptoms of being a nailed on case! I suggest you look up the symptoms some of which are self-harm or suicide thoughts, in your post you rant on about it, like it’s something of importance to you i.e. it touches a nerve, normal stable people don’t have these thoughts! I didn’t communicate with you, it was you whose chose to react you say because it’s repulsive, offensive and goes against your principals. Very strange from an unprincipled person who is almost always offensive, violent, foul mouthed, wind up merchant himself, it’s just on that one subject it touched a nerve. Can you not see the contradiction here? You think it’s OK when you behave badly but not OK when people retaliate against you! What’s more you cave credence from others for your actions because you are not strong enough as an individual to fight your own corner you need that gang or crowd culture to support you which is classic Bullying or in your case something even more serious.


Knowing you and your mates are all wind up merchants I wanted to see how one of you react when the .shoe is on the other foot'. I analysed your previous behaviour and for this reason you were not chosen, knowing somebody else other than you would see it as a windup! Why would you take my post so personally when it wasn’t sent to you?

Classic BPD is to subconsciously transfer the windup onto yourself causing you to completely ‘lose it’ as you did in a visceral outburst to me an adversary on this site! You went completely nuts, (also a symptom) followed by a very violent and aggressive post using every type of vile language imaginable which of course exposes you for the creature you are and not the image you crave!

Bizarrely in another post firstly apologising to the site was followed immediately with an attempt to justify the violence and profanity on the basis it was me (I did not send you that post)! Can’t you see the thread of BPD here? Have a reread of your post to me and see how you would react if you were the person receiving it considering it was not sent to you. I knew somebody would take the bait and it was you! Another symptom of BPD is outbreaks of violence with violent thought followed by apologies and self-remorse. BPD sufferers enjoy conflict especially with friends and in family stirring things up between close families in order to get a reaction always negative, where there is harmony to cause disharmony.

You admit yourself you don’t know the guy the post was sent to however, that did not stop you from a violent outburst combined with threats symptomatic of BPD.

For your own sake and those around you get help. I will lay off you but only on the proviso you do not communicate with me if it doesn’t concern you directly. which it won’t because I will not post to you except in retaliation! Your symptoms impact on everybody, your mates, your family even here on this site. I suggest you think about this before replying which I suggest you don’t, otherwise you will be back to square one.
Thanks for the diagnosis Doctor, would you mind if I sought a 2nd opinion elsewhere? Not, of course, because I don't trust a deluded nutcase like yourself, you see, it's just best to get different viewpoints on these things. I do know that you are never wrong though so I have booked an emergency appointment and shall hurry along to my GP and show him this thread and ask him which poster he thinks is in need of psychotherapy.
It is not possible to respond to all of the points raised in your posts, simply because I do not have time and there is simply too much erroneous, Ill founded, bull5hit, dreamt up in your rather strange mind. However your ramblings do remind me of a chap I knew at university who had smoked so much marijuana that he was in a permanent state of paranoia but had also snorted so much cocaine that he was uber confident that his paranoid ideas and beliefs were a reflection of reality and that his thoughts, judgements were stable and 'normal'. Bless him, I hope he's ok these days, he was a decent chap underneath all the drug induced cr4p.

I particularly like (or maybe that should read 'i am particularly disturbed by' ) the fact that you analysed my previous behaviour!! I hope you are not serious? FML, if you are then I'm sorry but you are definitely very weird. I would therefore imagine that you analysed several other posters' behaviour too. Do you have spreadsheets Roger? A fantasy profile of each of us? No wonder you are up at all hours of the night? ..... Oh wait sorry, that's because of the 4 multinational businesses that you own, my mistake.... Blimey, just had a thought, imagine working for you...

Anyway I would like to take a moment to defend myself and will say that perhaps my sensitivity with regards to the issue of suicide was down to the experience of losing a work colleague and a friend through such means, and then I see a total loser like you teasing someone else to take their own life.
[quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stoney77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stoney77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harry's Bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mickallen57[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]honest-view[/bold] wrote: I have never had to read so much drivel in all my days. Children do not like getting someone arguing and like to be the better. It reads just like that. Please just good old football comments please[/p][/quote]Couldn't agree more, I have posted many times on abusive behaviour .I cannot understand it. Surely we are all Watford fans and as such should respect each others views . I come to this site to be informed of the latest news and to listen to the views of the fans on this site. We are not all going to agree but lets debate the point not get dragged into a slagging match . Different opinions make life interesting. If you can't debate the point and have to resort to name calling I believe Luton F.C. have a site that might be more to your taste. Come on lads get a grip we are all in this together COYH[/p][/quote]I have just read through the entire thread and personally found it most entertaining. I am intrigued by Roger, is he a multi national, multi lingual businessman, or has he been sectioned under the Mental Health Act. I honestly have no idea. Great fun though (if you take the offensive comments with a pinch of salt).[/p][/quote]Another one who seeks solace in numbers! Every one of your statements contradicts the other, you crave the OK from your fellow chavs to give you some type of credence. If you were even a tiny bit intelligent you could at least use an original insult not resorting to the standard Chav retort, mental, Plonker and so on! What does it feel like to wake up in the morning and look in the mirror, not good heh? Staring back at you is that loser Chav face forcing you to live a life of denial, don’t blame you though, if I was you (God forbid) I would probably do the same or you could end it all and do the world a favour![/p][/quote]There are very very few times in life where use of the c word is justified in public. In my opinion it Is one of the most powerful words in our vocabulary, particularly with regards to the reactions that the use of the word can cause. Judging by your comments, Roger, you appear to live on a moral high ground all of your own and come across as a very sanctimonious person. The only people that you have not insulted on this 'forum' are those that agreed with you with regards to Zolas departure, indeed some comments you made toward them regarding you all coming together as freedom warriors or whatever was encouraging sheeple-ism, don't you think? Anyhow, I digress; in your last post you have just implied that someone, whom you insinuate has self esteem issues, should kill themselves to make the world a better place........yet you have the cheek to call other peoples behaviour as vulgar?..... .....What a F++KING VILE, DISGUSTING, C+++ you are to say such a thing. What a horrible piece of 5hit you've become in life, however old you are. There is no other word but the c word to describe someone who goads another person to take their own life. Finally, you know that most people on here, regardless of their differences would probably be happy to meet up and have a beer or something given the chance. But you'd be the only one who wouldn't. Of course, you'll say 'but why would I want to meet up with Chavs like you"..... Truth is though, you wouldn't have the guts. C - - T.[/p][/quote]What a sanctimonious vulgar lewd piece of work you are! All of you and your kind are into wind ups but when somebody winds up one of your ilk you react like typical bullies – you can’t take it. You are a bunch of total hypocrites! You stick to together like dung in a pig sty and that’s really not fair to pigs. As to your opinion it has no credence and is therefore worthless! Stop playing the false caring mate of another Chav, you also use the word goad in the wrong context. Why can’t he defend himself? I have seen in town centres like Watford such appalling drunken and brutish behaviour the type you are capable of, Police have told me these are the type of people who should be put down at birth! I wanted to prove three things and succeeded on all three: 1. How easy it is to wind up ‘wind up merchants’ 2. How easy it is to beat them ‘at their own game’ 3. How to achieve a reaction without resorting to Chav language and barbarian behaviour with use of profane words like F & C. Neither do I buy into your pious argument about a few times there is a reason to use the C word in public, you do it all the time. Its the way of life of living in the gutter. Who in their right mind would want to spend any time with you or the mates you purport to defend, I have said many times so finally get it into one of your two brain cells, I am completely indifferent to you and your profane insults, you are gutter trash, as to wanting to be popular! What with you lot the biggest bunch of losers ever gathered on this site! I understand why Zola received such support from you losers you comfort each other in this horrible world –diddum’s! I am telling you now you and your bunch of cronies stop bullying innocent posters on here, you are bullies, you don’t tolerate other people’s opinions and that is not acceptable best you stay of this site and spiel your poison where it will be more tolerable like Broadmoor! I have shown to you in an urbane way with power of intellect. English is so much more powerful than visceral responses with lewd behaviour, profanity and bullying. However, I suspect that will be totally lost on you. On football matters, you childishly say I don’t insult people who agree with me, wrong! I don’t insult people unless they insult me first! I don’t originate insults, I retaliate! Secondly the people you refer are civilized and don’t behave like you and your bunch of cronies! I enjoy disagreement only by accepting other peoples views can you get an insight and sometime learn things, however, those people are different to you and your cohorts! I wrote a piece on football about attendances and Watford’s future, not one of you cronies responded or contributed to the post with a football comment, it was received with insult after insult from your mates. You need to understand there is more than one way to live your life and there are many who don’t like your life style in the gutter with every second word being an F or a C, the constant insults and wind ups. You are full of yourself in pretending to take the 'high' ground' which is laughable considerable you actually live a life in the lower gutters. As with all Bullies you give it but can’t take it! I am ready to deal with all of you until you stop this aggressive behaviour to other posters so carry on I am not going away! If you or your mates want to carry on the insults be prepared for retaliation you will get back more than you give I promise you![/p][/quote]Having skimmed through your response I note that you have avoided the questions which you would find difficult to respond to. As usual. Anyway I don't know Harry's Bar, never met him and I was not standing up for him, I was standing up for the principals that I believe in. As I said previously, you implied that someone, whom you insinuate has self esteem issues, should kill themselves to make the world a better place... And for me, in a world where suicide rates, particularly amongst men, increase markedly decade by decade, the only person that would stoop so low as to encourage someone to kill themselves is the lowest of the low. It's on the same level as making fun of someone based on race or disability. It's repulsive and offensive, and goes against my principals. By the way, it is possible to view a history of all users comments in this website so don't bang on too much about not being a hypocrite and never insulting people unless they have insulted you first. The evidence is out there.[/p][/quote]You and principals that’s a brilliant oxymoron. If you say the evidence is out then then as the accuser it is down to you to show the evidence so where is it? This is why you resort to generalizaions andwhy you have no credence. On the surface you are a thuggish lout with a false sense of yourself and your own importance with serious delusional problems, you play to the crowd but they work you out, you act before thinking, you have no self control but after reflection you apologise for what you have done there is a pattern here. Any support you get is normally from those I have retaliated against following their insults to me|! Your arguments as always are on thin ice, you employ selective memory which is not even subtle but evident, you try to be a player and fail miserably. After taking the bait, you are now harping on hanging on for dear life in a childish attempt to justify your pathetic play, the 99% of other issues I raise with you yet remain unanswered proves how incapable you are in engaging with issues! Not a single reply yet you accuse me of not answering your points which one is that, be specific? You hide behind generalizations and avoid specifics. Due to your delusion and in a vain attempt to justify yourself you attempt to transfer your faults onto me, there is a type of Schizophrenia known as Borderline Personality Disorder BPD, you show many symptoms of being a nailed on case! I suggest you look up the symptoms some of which are self-harm or suicide thoughts, in your post you rant on about it, like it’s something of importance to you i.e. it touches a nerve, normal stable people don’t have these thoughts! I didn’t communicate with you, it was you whose chose to react you say because it’s repulsive, offensive and goes against your principals. Very strange from an unprincipled person who is almost always offensive, violent, foul mouthed, wind up merchant himself, it’s just on that one subject it touched a nerve. Can you not see the contradiction here? You think it’s OK when you behave badly but not OK when people retaliate against you! What’s more you cave credence from others for your actions because you are not strong enough as an individual to fight your own corner you need that gang or crowd culture to support you which is classic Bullying or in your case something even more serious. Knowing you and your mates are all wind up merchants I wanted to see how one of you react when the .shoe is on the other foot'. I analysed your previous behaviour and for this reason you were not chosen, knowing somebody else other than you would see it as a windup! Why would you take my post so personally when it wasn’t sent to you? Classic BPD is to subconsciously transfer the windup onto yourself causing you to completely ‘lose it’ as you did in a visceral outburst to me an adversary on this site! You went completely nuts, (also a symptom) followed by a very violent and aggressive post using every type of vile language imaginable which of course exposes you for the creature you are and not the image you crave! Bizarrely in another post firstly apologising to the site was followed immediately with an attempt to justify the violence and profanity on the basis it was me (I did not send you that post)! Can’t you see the thread of BPD here? Have a reread of your post to me and see how you would react if you were the person receiving it considering it was not sent to you. I knew somebody would take the bait and it was you! Another symptom of BPD is outbreaks of violence with violent thought followed by apologies and self-remorse. BPD sufferers enjoy conflict especially with friends and in family stirring things up between close families in order to get a reaction always negative, where there is harmony to cause disharmony. You admit yourself you don’t know the guy the post was sent to however, that did not stop you from a violent outburst combined with threats symptomatic of BPD. For your own sake and those around you get help. I will lay off you but only on the proviso you do not communicate with me if it doesn’t concern you directly. which it won’t because I will not post to you except in retaliation! Your symptoms impact on everybody, your mates, your family even here on this site. I suggest you think about this before replying which I suggest you don’t, otherwise you will be back to square one.[/p][/quote]Thanks for the diagnosis Doctor, would you mind if I sought a 2nd opinion elsewhere? Not, of course, because I don't trust a deluded nutcase like yourself, you see, it's just best to get different viewpoints on these things. I do know that you are never wrong though so I have booked an emergency appointment and shall hurry along to my GP and show him this thread and ask him which poster he thinks is in need of psychotherapy. It is not possible to respond to all of the points raised in your posts, simply because I do not have time and there is simply too much erroneous, Ill founded, bull5hit, dreamt up in your rather strange mind. However your ramblings do remind me of a chap I knew at university who had smoked so much marijuana that he was in a permanent state of paranoia but had also snorted so much cocaine that he was uber confident that his paranoid ideas and beliefs were a reflection of reality and that his thoughts, judgements were stable and 'normal'. Bless him, I hope he's ok these days, he was a decent chap underneath all the drug induced cr4p. I particularly like (or maybe that should read 'i am particularly disturbed by' ) the fact that you analysed my previous behaviour!! I hope you are not serious? FML, if you are then I'm sorry but you are definitely very weird. I would therefore imagine that you analysed several other posters' behaviour too. Do you have spreadsheets Roger? A fantasy profile of each of us? No wonder you are up at all hours of the night? ..... Oh wait sorry, that's because of the 4 multinational businesses that you own, my mistake.... Blimey, just had a thought, imagine working for you... Anyway I would like to take a moment to defend myself and will say that perhaps my sensitivity with regards to the issue of suicide was down to the experience of losing a work colleague and a friend through such means, and then I see a total loser like you teasing someone else to take their own life. Stoney77

10:04am Tue 7 Jan 14

Stoney77 says...

Harry's Bar wrote:
Hornet Cornet wrote:
A choice: My poetry or RogerUK's rants. Any prefence folks?
Could you have a word with Roger, possibly in prose, that might get through to him.

Roger, to lecture someone else on mental health issues, that really does take the biscuit. As you're such an expert on psychiatry maybe you could tell us about paranoid schizophrenia, or maybe bipolar disorder. Am I getting warm?
Harry does have a point:

'BPD sufferers enjoy conflict' quoted Roger........ The same Roger who sits up at all hours every night composing multiple and lengthy rants at other users!
[quote][p][bold]Harry's Bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: A choice: My poetry or RogerUK's rants. Any prefence folks?[/p][/quote]Could you have a word with Roger, possibly in prose, that might get through to him. Roger, to lecture someone else on mental health issues, that really does take the biscuit. As you're such an expert on psychiatry maybe you could tell us about paranoid schizophrenia, or maybe bipolar disorder. Am I getting warm?[/p][/quote]Harry does have a point: 'BPD sufferers enjoy conflict' quoted Roger........ The same Roger who sits up at all hours every night composing multiple and lengthy rants at other users! Stoney77

10:35am Tue 7 Jan 14

Stoney77 says...

mellow yellow wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
Stoney77 wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
Stoney77 wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
Harry's Bar wrote:
mickallen57 wrote:
honest-view wrote:
I have never had to read so much drivel in all my days.
Children do not like getting someone arguing and like to be the better.
It reads just like that.
Please just good old football comments please
Couldn't agree more, I have posted many times on abusive behaviour .I cannot understand it. Surely we are all Watford fans and as such should respect each others views .
I come to this site to be informed of the latest news and to listen to the views of the fans on this site. We are not all going to agree but lets debate the point not get dragged into a slagging match . Different opinions make life interesting. If you can't debate the point and have to resort to name calling I believe Luton F.C. have a site that might be more to your taste. Come on lads get a grip we are all in this together COYH
I have just read through the entire thread and personally found it most entertaining. I am intrigued by Roger, is he a multi national, multi lingual businessman, or has he been sectioned under the Mental Health Act. I honestly have no idea. Great fun though (if you take the offensive comments with a pinch of salt).
Another one who seeks solace in numbers! Every one of your statements contradicts the other, you crave the OK from your fellow chavs to give you some type of credence. If you were even a tiny bit intelligent you could at least use an original insult not resorting to the standard Chav retort, mental, Plonker and so on!

What does it feel like to wake up in the morning and look in the mirror, not good heh? Staring back at you is that loser Chav face forcing you to live a life of denial, don’t blame you though, if I was you (God forbid) I would probably do the same or you could end it all and do the world a favour!
There are very very few times in life where use of the c word is justified in public. In my opinion it Is one of the most powerful words in our vocabulary, particularly with regards to the reactions that the use of the word can cause.

Judging by your comments, Roger, you appear to live on a moral high ground all of your own and come across as a very sanctimonious person.

The only people that you have not insulted on this 'forum' are those that agreed with you with regards to Zolas departure, indeed some comments you made toward them regarding you all coming together as freedom warriors or whatever was encouraging sheeple-ism, don't you think?

Anyhow, I digress; in your last post you have just implied that someone, whom you insinuate has self esteem issues, should kill themselves to make the world a better place........yet you have the cheek to call other peoples behaviour as vulgar?.....

.....What a F++KING VILE, DISGUSTING, C+++ you are to say such a thing. What a horrible piece of 5hit you've become in life, however old you are. There is no other word but the c word to describe someone who goads another person to take their own life.

Finally, you know that most people on here, regardless of their differences would probably be happy to meet up and have a beer or something given the chance. But you'd be the only one who wouldn't. Of course, you'll say 'but why would I want to meet up with Chavs like you"..... Truth is though, you wouldn't have the guts.

C - - T.
What a sanctimonious vulgar lewd piece of work you are! All of you and your kind are into wind ups but when somebody winds up one of your ilk you react like typical bullies – you can’t take it. You are a bunch of total hypocrites! You stick to together like dung in a pig sty and that’s really not fair to pigs. As to your opinion it has no credence and is therefore worthless!

Stop playing the false caring mate of another Chav, you also use the word goad in the wrong context. Why can’t he defend himself? I have seen in town centres like Watford such appalling drunken and brutish behaviour the type you are capable of, Police have told me these are the type of people who should be put down at birth!

I wanted to prove three things and succeeded on all three:

1. How easy it is to wind up ‘wind up merchants’
2. How easy it is to beat them ‘at their own game’
3. How to achieve a reaction without resorting to Chav language and barbarian behaviour with use of profane words like F & C.

Neither do I buy into your pious argument about a few times there is a reason to use the C word in public, you do it all the time. Its the way of life of living in the gutter.

Who in their right mind would want to spend any time with you or the mates you purport to defend, I have said many times so finally get it into one of your two brain cells, I am completely indifferent to you and your profane insults, you are gutter trash, as to wanting to be popular! What with you lot the biggest bunch of losers ever gathered on this site!

I understand why Zola received such support from you losers you comfort each other in this horrible world –diddum’s!

I am telling you now you and your bunch of cronies stop bullying innocent posters on here, you are bullies, you don’t tolerate other people’s opinions and that is not acceptable best you stay of this site and spiel your poison where it will be more tolerable like Broadmoor!

I have shown to you in an urbane way with power of intellect. English is so much more powerful than visceral responses with lewd behaviour, profanity and bullying. However, I suspect that will be totally lost on you.

On football matters, you childishly say I don’t insult people who agree with me, wrong! I don’t insult people unless they insult me first! I don’t originate insults, I retaliate!

Secondly the people you refer are civilized and don’t behave like you and your bunch of cronies! I enjoy disagreement only by accepting other peoples views can you get an insight and sometime learn things, however, those people are different to you and your cohorts!

I wrote a piece on football about attendances and Watford’s future, not one of you cronies responded or contributed to the post with a football comment, it was received with insult after insult from your mates.

You need to understand there is more than one way to live your life and there are many who don’t like your life style in the gutter with every second word being an F or a C, the constant insults and wind ups. You are full of yourself in pretending to take the 'high' ground' which is laughable considerable you actually live a life in the lower gutters.

As with all Bullies you give it but can’t take it! I am ready to deal with all of you until you stop this aggressive behaviour to other posters so carry on I am not going away! If you or your mates want to carry on the insults be prepared for retaliation you will get back more than you give I promise you!
Having skimmed through your response I note that you have avoided the questions which you would find difficult to respond to. As usual.

Anyway I don't know Harry's Bar, never met him and I was not standing up for him, I was standing up for the principals that I believe in.

As I said previously, you implied that someone, whom you insinuate has self esteem issues, should kill themselves to make the world a better place... And for me, in a world where suicide rates, particularly amongst men, increase markedly decade by decade, the only person that would stoop so low as to encourage someone to kill themselves is the lowest of the low. It's on the same level as making fun of someone based on race or disability. It's repulsive and offensive, and goes against my principals.

By the way, it is possible to view a history of all users comments in this website so don't bang on too much about not being a hypocrite and never insulting people unless they have insulted you first. The evidence is out there.
You and principals that’s a brilliant oxymoron. If you say the evidence is out then then as the accuser it is down to you to show the evidence so where is it? This is why you resort to generalizaions andwhy you have no credence.

On the surface you are a thuggish lout with a false sense of yourself and your own importance with serious delusional problems, you play to the crowd but they work you out, you act before thinking, you have no self control but after reflection you apologise for what you have done there is a pattern here. Any support you get is normally from those I have retaliated against following their insults to me|! Your arguments as always are on thin ice, you employ selective memory which is not even subtle but evident, you try to be a player and fail miserably.

After taking the bait, you are now harping on hanging on for dear life in a childish attempt to justify your pathetic play, the 99% of other issues I raise with you yet remain unanswered proves how incapable you are in engaging with issues! Not a single reply yet you accuse me of not answering your points which one is that, be specific?

You hide behind generalizations and avoid specifics. Due to your delusion and in a vain attempt to justify yourself you attempt to transfer your faults onto me, there is a type of Schizophrenia known as Borderline Personality Disorder BPD, you show many symptoms of being a nailed on case! I suggest you look up the symptoms some of which are self-harm or suicide thoughts, in your post you rant on about it, like it’s something of importance to you i.e. it touches a nerve, normal stable people don’t have these thoughts! I didn’t communicate with you, it was you whose chose to react you say because it’s repulsive, offensive and goes against your principals. Very strange from an unprincipled person who is almost always offensive, violent, foul mouthed, wind up merchant himself, it’s just on that one subject it touched a nerve. Can you not see the contradiction here? You think it’s OK when you behave badly but not OK when people retaliate against you! What’s more you cave credence from others for your actions because you are not strong enough as an individual to fight your own corner you need that gang or crowd culture to support you which is classic Bullying or in your case something even more serious.


Knowing you and your mates are all wind up merchants I wanted to see how one of you react when the .shoe is on the other foot'. I analysed your previous behaviour and for this reason you were not chosen, knowing somebody else other than you would see it as a windup! Why would you take my post so personally when it wasn’t sent to you?

Classic BPD is to subconsciously transfer the windup onto yourself causing you to completely ‘lose it’ as you did in a visceral outburst to me an adversary on this site! You went completely nuts, (also a symptom) followed by a very violent and aggressive post using every type of vile language imaginable which of course exposes you for the creature you are and not the image you crave!

Bizarrely in another post firstly apologising to the site was followed immediately with an attempt to justify the violence and profanity on the basis it was me (I did not send you that post)! Can’t you see the thread of BPD here? Have a reread of your post to me and see how you would react if you were the person receiving it considering it was not sent to you. I knew somebody would take the bait and it was you! Another symptom of BPD is outbreaks of violence with violent thought followed by apologies and self-remorse. BPD sufferers enjoy conflict especially with friends and in family stirring things up between close families in order to get a reaction always negative, where there is harmony to cause disharmony.

You admit yourself you don’t know the guy the post was sent to however, that did not stop you from a violent outburst combined with threats symptomatic of BPD.

For your own sake and those around you get help. I will lay off you but only on the proviso you do not communicate with me if it doesn’t concern you directly. which it won’t because I will not post to you except in retaliation! Your symptoms impact on everybody, your mates, your family even here on this site. I suggest you think about this before replying which I suggest you don’t, otherwise you will be back to square one.
Quality. An international businessman. A political philosopher. A vanguard of the proletariat. And now an expert in psychology. And not a mention of football anywhere in your essay.

And you can't say I'm criticising you, for they are all statements of truth, eh Rog?
Is there an end to this mans talents?

In conclusion though I think that Roger may have managed to diagnose himself, if only he could accept it. I say that only because there are many clues (including the one highlighted in my response to Harry's Bar, above), but one of my favourite lines is:

'Classic BPD is to subconsciously transfer the windup onto yourself' ........

.........No more questions your honour.
[quote][p][bold]mellow yellow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stoney77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stoney77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harry's Bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mickallen57[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]honest-view[/bold] wrote: I have never had to read so much drivel in all my days. Children do not like getting someone arguing and like to be the better. It reads just like that. Please just good old football comments please[/p][/quote]Couldn't agree more, I have posted many times on abusive behaviour .I cannot understand it. Surely we are all Watford fans and as such should respect each others views . I come to this site to be informed of the latest news and to listen to the views of the fans on this site. We are not all going to agree but lets debate the point not get dragged into a slagging match . Different opinions make life interesting. If you can't debate the point and have to resort to name calling I believe Luton F.C. have a site that might be more to your taste. Come on lads get a grip we are all in this together COYH[/p][/quote]I have just read through the entire thread and personally found it most entertaining. I am intrigued by Roger, is he a multi national, multi lingual businessman, or has he been sectioned under the Mental Health Act. I honestly have no idea. Great fun though (if you take the offensive comments with a pinch of salt).[/p][/quote]Another one who seeks solace in numbers! Every one of your statements contradicts the other, you crave the OK from your fellow chavs to give you some type of credence. If you were even a tiny bit intelligent you could at least use an original insult not resorting to the standard Chav retort, mental, Plonker and so on! What does it feel like to wake up in the morning and look in the mirror, not good heh? Staring back at you is that loser Chav face forcing you to live a life of denial, don’t blame you though, if I was you (God forbid) I would probably do the same or you could end it all and do the world a favour![/p][/quote]There are very very few times in life where use of the c word is justified in public. In my opinion it Is one of the most powerful words in our vocabulary, particularly with regards to the reactions that the use of the word can cause. Judging by your comments, Roger, you appear to live on a moral high ground all of your own and come across as a very sanctimonious person. The only people that you have not insulted on this 'forum' are those that agreed with you with regards to Zolas departure, indeed some comments you made toward them regarding you all coming together as freedom warriors or whatever was encouraging sheeple-ism, don't you think? Anyhow, I digress; in your last post you have just implied that someone, whom you insinuate has self esteem issues, should kill themselves to make the world a better place........yet you have the cheek to call other peoples behaviour as vulgar?..... .....What a F++KING VILE, DISGUSTING, C+++ you are to say such a thing. What a horrible piece of 5hit you've become in life, however old you are. There is no other word but the c word to describe someone who goads another person to take their own life. Finally, you know that most people on here, regardless of their differences would probably be happy to meet up and have a beer or something given the chance. But you'd be the only one who wouldn't. Of course, you'll say 'but why would I want to meet up with Chavs like you"..... Truth is though, you wouldn't have the guts. C - - T.[/p][/quote]What a sanctimonious vulgar lewd piece of work you are! All of you and your kind are into wind ups but when somebody winds up one of your ilk you react like typical bullies – you can’t take it. You are a bunch of total hypocrites! You stick to together like dung in a pig sty and that’s really not fair to pigs. As to your opinion it has no credence and is therefore worthless! Stop playing the false caring mate of another Chav, you also use the word goad in the wrong context. Why can’t he defend himself? I have seen in town centres like Watford such appalling drunken and brutish behaviour the type you are capable of, Police have told me these are the type of people who should be put down at birth! I wanted to prove three things and succeeded on all three: 1. How easy it is to wind up ‘wind up merchants’ 2. How easy it is to beat them ‘at their own game’ 3. How to achieve a reaction without resorting to Chav language and barbarian behaviour with use of profane words like F & C. Neither do I buy into your pious argument about a few times there is a reason to use the C word in public, you do it all the time. Its the way of life of living in the gutter. Who in their right mind would want to spend any time with you or the mates you purport to defend, I have said many times so finally get it into one of your two brain cells, I am completely indifferent to you and your profane insults, you are gutter trash, as to wanting to be popular! What with you lot the biggest bunch of losers ever gathered on this site! I understand why Zola received such support from you losers you comfort each other in this horrible world –diddum’s! I am telling you now you and your bunch of cronies stop bullying innocent posters on here, you are bullies, you don’t tolerate other people’s opinions and that is not acceptable best you stay of this site and spiel your poison where it will be more tolerable like Broadmoor! I have shown to you in an urbane way with power of intellect. English is so much more powerful than visceral responses with lewd behaviour, profanity and bullying. However, I suspect that will be totally lost on you. On football matters, you childishly say I don’t insult people who agree with me, wrong! I don’t insult people unless they insult me first! I don’t originate insults, I retaliate! Secondly the people you refer are civilized and don’t behave like you and your bunch of cronies! I enjoy disagreement only by accepting other peoples views can you get an insight and sometime learn things, however, those people are different to you and your cohorts! I wrote a piece on football about attendances and Watford’s future, not one of you cronies responded or contributed to the post with a football comment, it was received with insult after insult from your mates. You need to understand there is more than one way to live your life and there are many who don’t like your life style in the gutter with every second word being an F or a C, the constant insults and wind ups. You are full of yourself in pretending to take the 'high' ground' which is laughable considerable you actually live a life in the lower gutters. As with all Bullies you give it but can’t take it! I am ready to deal with all of you until you stop this aggressive behaviour to other posters so carry on I am not going away! If you or your mates want to carry on the insults be prepared for retaliation you will get back more than you give I promise you![/p][/quote]Having skimmed through your response I note that you have avoided the questions which you would find difficult to respond to. As usual. Anyway I don't know Harry's Bar, never met him and I was not standing up for him, I was standing up for the principals that I believe in. As I said previously, you implied that someone, whom you insinuate has self esteem issues, should kill themselves to make the world a better place... And for me, in a world where suicide rates, particularly amongst men, increase markedly decade by decade, the only person that would stoop so low as to encourage someone to kill themselves is the lowest of the low. It's on the same level as making fun of someone based on race or disability. It's repulsive and offensive, and goes against my principals. By the way, it is possible to view a history of all users comments in this website so don't bang on too much about not being a hypocrite and never insulting people unless they have insulted you first. The evidence is out there.[/p][/quote]You and principals that’s a brilliant oxymoron. If you say the evidence is out then then as the accuser it is down to you to show the evidence so where is it? This is why you resort to generalizaions andwhy you have no credence. On the surface you are a thuggish lout with a false sense of yourself and your own importance with serious delusional problems, you play to the crowd but they work you out, you act before thinking, you have no self control but after reflection you apologise for what you have done there is a pattern here. Any support you get is normally from those I have retaliated against following their insults to me|! Your arguments as always are on thin ice, you employ selective memory which is not even subtle but evident, you try to be a player and fail miserably. After taking the bait, you are now harping on hanging on for dear life in a childish attempt to justify your pathetic play, the 99% of other issues I raise with you yet remain unanswered proves how incapable you are in engaging with issues! Not a single reply yet you accuse me of not answering your points which one is that, be specific? You hide behind generalizations and avoid specifics. Due to your delusion and in a vain attempt to justify yourself you attempt to transfer your faults onto me, there is a type of Schizophrenia known as Borderline Personality Disorder BPD, you show many symptoms of being a nailed on case! I suggest you look up the symptoms some of which are self-harm or suicide thoughts, in your post you rant on about it, like it’s something of importance to you i.e. it touches a nerve, normal stable people don’t have these thoughts! I didn’t communicate with you, it was you whose chose to react you say because it’s repulsive, offensive and goes against your principals. Very strange from an unprincipled person who is almost always offensive, violent, foul mouthed, wind up merchant himself, it’s just on that one subject it touched a nerve. Can you not see the contradiction here? You think it’s OK when you behave badly but not OK when people retaliate against you! What’s more you cave credence from others for your actions because you are not strong enough as an individual to fight your own corner you need that gang or crowd culture to support you which is classic Bullying or in your case something even more serious. Knowing you and your mates are all wind up merchants I wanted to see how one of you react when the .shoe is on the other foot'. I analysed your previous behaviour and for this reason you were not chosen, knowing somebody else other than you would see it as a windup! Why would you take my post so personally when it wasn’t sent to you? Classic BPD is to subconsciously transfer the windup onto yourself causing you to completely ‘lose it’ as you did in a visceral outburst to me an adversary on this site! You went completely nuts, (also a symptom) followed by a very violent and aggressive post using every type of vile language imaginable which of course exposes you for the creature you are and not the image you crave! Bizarrely in another post firstly apologising to the site was followed immediately with an attempt to justify the violence and profanity on the basis it was me (I did not send you that post)! Can’t you see the thread of BPD here? Have a reread of your post to me and see how you would react if you were the person receiving it considering it was not sent to you. I knew somebody would take the bait and it was you! Another symptom of BPD is outbreaks of violence with violent thought followed by apologies and self-remorse. BPD sufferers enjoy conflict especially with friends and in family stirring things up between close families in order to get a reaction always negative, where there is harmony to cause disharmony. You admit yourself you don’t know the guy the post was sent to however, that did not stop you from a violent outburst combined with threats symptomatic of BPD. For your own sake and those around you get help. I will lay off you but only on the proviso you do not communicate with me if it doesn’t concern you directly. which it won’t because I will not post to you except in retaliation! Your symptoms impact on everybody, your mates, your family even here on this site. I suggest you think about this before replying which I suggest you don’t, otherwise you will be back to square one.[/p][/quote]Quality. An international businessman. A political philosopher. A vanguard of the proletariat. And now an expert in psychology. And not a mention of football anywhere in your essay. And you can't say I'm criticising you, for they are all statements of truth, eh Rog?[/p][/quote]Is there an end to this mans talents? In conclusion though I think that Roger may have managed to diagnose himself, if only he could accept it. I say that only because there are many clues (including the one highlighted in my response to Harry's Bar, above), but one of my favourite lines is: 'Classic BPD is to subconsciously transfer the windup onto yourself' ........ .........No more questions your honour. Stoney77

11:49am Wed 8 Jan 14

JonBoy says...

Is Roger really Roy Stockdill?
Is Roger really Roy Stockdill? JonBoy

12:41pm Wed 8 Jan 14

Harry's Bar says...

JonBoy wrote:
Is Roger really Roy Stockdill?
I don't know but I think we've heard the last of Roger. I think he's been moved on. I hope he's taken his rubbish with him, the burnt out mattresses, old fridges and all the other stuff the travellers leave behind.
[quote][p][bold]JonBoy[/bold] wrote: Is Roger really Roy Stockdill?[/p][/quote]I don't know but I think we've heard the last of Roger. I think he's been moved on. I hope he's taken his rubbish with him, the burnt out mattresses, old fridges and all the other stuff the travellers leave behind. Harry's Bar

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