Gabriele Angella incorrectly sent off and two penalties conceded as Watford draw at Bournemouth

Scored and, incorrectly, sent off: Gabriele Angella. Picture: Action Images

Scored and, incorrectly, sent off: Gabriele Angella. Picture: Action Images

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The record books will show today’s trip to Bournemouth ended in a 1-1 draw for Watford – the Hornets’ seventh in succession in all competitions on their travels – but that doesn’t begin to tell the story of a dramatic afternoon that saw the visitors reduced to ten men and have two penalties controversially awarded against them.

Compared with what was to come, the first half was relatively sedate. The hosts had been marginally the better of the two sides in the opening period but they trailed at the break after Gabriele Angella headed in a Lewis McGugan free-kick in first-half injuiry-time to score his third goal against the Cherries this season.

But the Italian’s afternoon was to go horribly wrong through no fault of his own around the hour-mark when he was, incorrectly, sent off when the linesman adjudged Lewis Grabban was tugged back in the penalty area. If an offence was committed, Joel Ekstrand was the culprit.

Worse was to follow for the Hornets inside ten minutes when Marc Pugh was played in, Fitz Hall nicked the ball away from him as the Bournemouth player went to go around Manuel Almunia and he then went to ground. Referee Carl Boyeson decided another penalty should be awarded – but not a red card – but this time Almunia was equal to the challenge and saved the spot-kick.

It was then all hands to the defensive pumps for the visitors but they held out well - and on occasions heroically - and were well worth the point.

Both sides came into the game on the back of FA Cup victories on Tuesday and Beppe Sannino made three changes to the team which knocked Bristol City out in a replay.

Almunia returned for Jonathan Bond in goal, Daniel Pudil was preferred to Ikechi Anya at left wing-back and Diego Fabbrini got the nod over Fernando Forestieri to partner Troy Deeney up front. Despite claims that he could be on his way to Italy in a loan move, Cristian Battocchio kept his place in midfield.

Bournemouth saw off Burton Albion 4-1 in their tie and Eddie Howe opted to make four changes with goalkeeper Lee Camp, Elliott Ward, Andrew Surman and, fresh from signing a new long-term contract with the Cherries, top scorer Grabban all returning. Ryan Allsop, Steve Cook, Tokelo Rantie and Brett Pitman dropped to the bench.

Camp was the first keeper called into action to keep out an angled Deeney drive but by that stage the assistant’s flag was already raised for offside after Battocchio’s through ball had deflected through to the striker.

Both teams were keen to attack in the opening stages though, but the first clear opening didn’t arrive until the 11th minute when Watford countered at pace as Fabbrini led the charge. He was fouled by Surman, for which he was subsequently booked, but referee Boyeson played the advantage as the ball ran to Battocchio. He continued to advance before laying a low crentre across the area but McGugan scuffed his attempted finish wide.

Almunia had to go to ground soon after to hold a deflected Pugh shot from the edge of the penalty area before Surman sliced a strike wide of the target from a similar range a few minutes later.

The Hornets suffered an unwanted setback midway through the opening period when Iriney went down with an injury and was unable to continue. Despite only returning to action on Tuesday night following his long injury lay-off, Sannino had no qualms about giving Almen Abdi significantly more match time on this occasion as the Swiss midfielder came on in the Brazilian’s place.

Matt Ritchie struck a 25-yard effort over when play resumed but the right-sided midfielder went closer in the 30th minute when his first-time left-footed effort was deflected just over the bar after Grabban had squared the ball from the left having taken on and beaten Battocchio.

But the Italian Under-21 international wasn’t far away from making the breakthrough four minutes later when his right-footed 25-yard shot was destined for the bottom corner until Camp got down to push it behind.

The best chance of the game to date was to fall to the hosts two minutes later though, when the ball was worked to Pugh on the left side of the area but with only Almunia to beat, he snatched at his shot and fired over the top.

Davide Fraoni and Harry Arter then became involved in some rather unnecessary handbags when the wing-back was prevented from taking a throw-in and he, rather foolishly, gestured to the referee that a yellow card should be shown. However, following a talking to from the official, both players escaped any further punishment.

Fabbrini fired over for Watford before the hosts had a good spell of possession around the Hornets area that ended with Charlie Daniels fizzing in a low cross which was just too far ahead of Grabban’s outsretched leg of as the ball zipped across the six-yard box.

The opening half looked destined to end goalless but in first-half injury-time the Hornets took the lead.

After he was fouled close to the touchline, McGugan whipped in the free-kick and Angella rose highest towards the back post to plant a header past Camp from around six yards and make it 1-0.

Having finished the first half on a high, the second 45 minutes look set to start on a disappointing note for the visitors when McGugan pulled up within the first 30 seconds and felt his hamstring. Sannino immediately signalled to Sean Murray to get ready but after receiving treatment, McGugan was able to continue - but only for a short period.

While the midfielder was off the pitch, Deeney had an effort from the right side of the area deflected behind before Ritchie fired wide at the other end.

McGugan was struggling and Watford did make the change in the 50th minute as Murray entered the fray but with the rain falling increasingly heavily, the Hornets were then forced to defend for a spell as their opponents, unsuccessfully, tried to find a way through.

Daniels looked as if he might threaten Almunia’s goal in the 58th minute when he came inside and played a give-and-go on the edge of the area before his shot was blocked by Fitz Hall. Ekstrand then did superbly to slide across the front of Grabban and prevent him getting on the end of a cross into the near post.

But Bournemouth were handed a route back into the contest in very controversial circumstances on the hour when Grabban went down in the area after claiming he was tugged back by Ekstrand. The referee initially wasn’t interested in the appeals but his assistant flagged and Boyeson duly pointed to the spot. There then following a prolonged period of discussion between the two officials before, ludicrously, Angella was shown a straight red card, even though the foul was committed by the Swede. When the penalty was finally taken, Grabban sent Almunia the wrong way to make it 1-1.

Bouyed by getting on back on terms, Ritchie had a shot blocked and Daniels fizzed a drive from 20 yards narrowly wide of Almunia’s left-hand post before there was yet more controversy and the award of a second penalty to the hosts.

The situation arose when Pugh was played through and as he went to go around Almunia, Hall appeared to nick the ball away before the Cherries midfielder went to ground. This time Boyeson had no hesitation in pointing to the spot but this time the further punishment was a yellow card for the Hornets keeper, who then produced heroics.

Grabban went for the same part of goal but this time Almunia read the striker’s intentions, dropping to his left to parry, then blocking Ritchie’s first-time follow-up and then saving another well-struck effort from the edge of the area to keep the game all-square.

Before the penalty was taken though, a yellow smoke bomb was thrown onto the pitch from where the Watford fans were seated and there were some angry scenes when a supporter was ejected.

Both managers chose to make changes in the 78th minute – Pitman and Rantie came on for Pugh and Surman, while Anya replaced Fabbrini.

Almunia was involved again four minutes later when he dived forward to hold a stinging Ritchie drive from the edge of the area and was then challenged late by Pitman, a decision which earned the Cherries substitute a yellow card.

There were defensive heroics from the Hornets in the last minute of normal time when Rantie was played in behind and he pulled the ball back for Ritchie, who looked odds-on to score until his strike was superbly – and painfully – blocked behind by Pudil.

Bournemouth had another opportunity from the resultant corner when the ball was played back towards the edge of the area and Pitman lifted the ball narrowly over the top.

Watford’s work was not done yet though, as the fourth official signalled seven minutes of injury time, the third of which saw Pitman shoot tamely straight at Almunia when well positioned in the 18-yard box.

The hosts had a better opportunity in the seventh minute when an unmarked Daniels met a Ritchie corner from the right but he was unable to keep his header beneath the bar as the visitors held out for a very hard-earned point.

AFC Bournemouth: Camp; Francis, Elphick, Ward, Daniels; Ritchie, O’Kanem, Surman (Rantie 78), Arter, Pugh (Pitman 78); Grabban. Not used: Allsop, Cook, Harte, MacDonald, Fraser.

Watford: Almunia; Angella, Hall, Ekstrand; Faraoni, Battocchio, Iriney (Abdi 26), McGugan (Murray 50), Pudil; Deeney, Fabbrini (Anya 78). Not used: Bond, Bellerin, Forestieri, Doyley.

Bookings: Surman for a foul on Fabbrini (12); Angella sent off for denying a clear goalscoring opportunity (60); Almunia for a foul on Pugh (71); Pitman for a foul on Almunia (82).

Attendance: 10,353 (1,423 away).

Referee: Carl Boyeson.

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5:25pm Sat 18 Jan 14

onion8837 says...

why do we waste flares by throwing them on the pitch when we should shove them up the ref's arse ??
why do we waste flares by throwing them on the pitch when we should shove them up the ref's arse ?? onion8837
  • Score: 35

5:26pm Sat 18 Jan 14

hemelhorn87 says...

Bit of fight! Love it! Almunia a hero (not for the first time) and can always rely on Pudil to give 110% with a superb block late on I hear! Sounds like Fitz is on his way to a contract extension too!
Bit of fight! Love it! Almunia a hero (not for the first time) and can always rely on Pudil to give 110% with a superb block late on I hear! Sounds like Fitz is on his way to a contract extension too! hemelhorn87
  • Score: 50

5:28pm Sat 18 Jan 14

clem 54 says...

A good hard earned point against a very good Bournemouth side.
A good hard earned point against a very good Bournemouth side. clem 54
  • Score: 12

5:32pm Sat 18 Jan 14

Hairy Hornet says...

hemelhorn87 wrote:
Bit of fight! Love it! Almunia a hero (not for the first time) and can always rely on Pudil to give 110% with a superb block late on I hear! Sounds like Fitz is on his way to a contract extension too!
From the commentary sounds like Pudil put himself on the line a few times. Hopefully Red card will be rescinded and no action against Ekstrand. Same for Hall if they appeal.
Important point today, think the play offs are out of reach now though.
[quote][p][bold]hemelhorn87[/bold] wrote: Bit of fight! Love it! Almunia a hero (not for the first time) and can always rely on Pudil to give 110% with a superb block late on I hear! Sounds like Fitz is on his way to a contract extension too![/p][/quote]From the commentary sounds like Pudil put himself on the line a few times. Hopefully Red card will be rescinded and no action against Ekstrand. Same for Hall if they appeal. Important point today, think the play offs are out of reach now though. Hairy Hornet
  • Score: 18

5:34pm Sat 18 Jan 14

Hornet1995 says...

Anger of our fans justified imo. No doubt the fa will do their utmost to impose another fine on our club. Incidents like that would not happen in the first place if they didn't keep consistently letting incompetent referees officiate our matches.
Anger of our fans justified imo. No doubt the fa will do their utmost to impose another fine on our club. Incidents like that would not happen in the first place if they didn't keep consistently letting incompetent referees officiate our matches. Hornet1995
  • Score: 12

5:35pm Sat 18 Jan 14

SCMW57 says...

Another point in our fight against relegation.
Udinese & Granada Reserves will soon get fed up with the situation and want out....
Another point in our fight against relegation. Udinese & Granada Reserves will soon get fed up with the situation and want out.... SCMW57
  • Score: -117

5:45pm Sat 18 Jan 14

Dr.Hackenbush says...

SCMW57 wrote:
Another point in our fight against relegation.
Udinese & Granada Reserves will soon get fed up with the situation and want out....
Sorry, I thought your team were in a Conference promotion push?
Where you will you be when we start winning then mate?
[quote][p][bold]SCMW57[/bold] wrote: Another point in our fight against relegation. Udinese & Granada Reserves will soon get fed up with the situation and want out....[/p][/quote]Sorry, I thought your team were in a Conference promotion push? Where you will you be when we start winning then mate? Dr.Hackenbush
  • Score: 36

5:48pm Sat 18 Jan 14

SCMW57 says...

Dr.Hackenbush wrote:
SCMW57 wrote:
Another point in our fight against relegation.
Udinese & Granada Reserves will soon get fed up with the situation and want out....
Sorry, I thought your team were in a Conference promotion push?
Where you will you be when we start winning then mate?
Lifelong Watford supporter watching his club loose it's identity.
Will always support Watford but. I've got. My views...
[quote][p][bold]Dr.Hackenbush[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SCMW57[/bold] wrote: Another point in our fight against relegation. Udinese & Granada Reserves will soon get fed up with the situation and want out....[/p][/quote]Sorry, I thought your team were in a Conference promotion push? Where you will you be when we start winning then mate?[/p][/quote]Lifelong Watford supporter watching his club loose it's identity. Will always support Watford but. I've got. My views... SCMW57
  • Score: -82

5:50pm Sat 18 Jan 14

Keepyourmindfree says...

Sounds like one heck of a match. At least we have spirit and it seems players wiling to do all they can in front of goal (ours) Well done Almunia, and the boys. Loads of games yet to go...............
Sounds like one heck of a match. At least we have spirit and it seems players wiling to do all they can in front of goal (ours) Well done Almunia, and the boys. Loads of games yet to go............... Keepyourmindfree
  • Score: 28

5:52pm Sat 18 Jan 14

Angella.Merkel says...

The unbeaten run till May starts now !!
The unbeaten run till May starts now !! Angella.Merkel
  • Score: 28

5:53pm Sat 18 Jan 14

mkhornet says...

SCMW57 wrote:
Dr.Hackenbush wrote:
SCMW57 wrote:
Another point in our fight against relegation.
Udinese & Granada Reserves will soon get fed up with the situation and want out....
Sorry, I thought your team were in a Conference promotion push?
Where you will you be when we start winning then mate?
Lifelong Watford supporter watching his club loose it's identity.
Will always support Watford but. I've got. My views...
Believe that, you'll believe anything!
[quote][p][bold]SCMW57[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr.Hackenbush[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SCMW57[/bold] wrote: Another point in our fight against relegation. Udinese & Granada Reserves will soon get fed up with the situation and want out....[/p][/quote]Sorry, I thought your team were in a Conference promotion push? Where you will you be when we start winning then mate?[/p][/quote]Lifelong Watford supporter watching his club loose it's identity. Will always support Watford but. I've got. My views...[/p][/quote]Believe that, you'll believe anything! mkhornet
  • Score: 25

5:55pm Sat 18 Jan 14

YoKsHiRe.....HoRn!!!!!!! says...

They're always harping on about how ref's should be consistent and in our case they're consistently bad! Onwards and upwards, Oh well bring on City COYH
They're always harping on about how ref's should be consistent and in our case they're consistently bad! Onwards and upwards, Oh well bring on City COYH YoKsHiRe.....HoRn!!!!!!!
  • Score: 14

6:00pm Sat 18 Jan 14

Stoney77 says...

SCMW57 wrote:
Dr.Hackenbush wrote:
SCMW57 wrote:
Another point in our fight against relegation.
Udinese & Granada Reserves will soon get fed up with the situation and want out....
Sorry, I thought your team were in a Conference promotion push?
Where you will you be when we start winning then mate?
Lifelong Watford supporter watching his club loose it's identity.
Will always support Watford but. I've got. My views...
Times change fella. Life moves on. Deal with it
[quote][p][bold]SCMW57[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr.Hackenbush[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SCMW57[/bold] wrote: Another point in our fight against relegation. Udinese & Granada Reserves will soon get fed up with the situation and want out....[/p][/quote]Sorry, I thought your team were in a Conference promotion push? Where you will you be when we start winning then mate?[/p][/quote]Lifelong Watford supporter watching his club loose it's identity. Will always support Watford but. I've got. My views...[/p][/quote]Times change fella. Life moves on. Deal with it Stoney77
  • Score: 20

6:00pm Sat 18 Jan 14

SCMW57 says...

mkhornet wrote:
SCMW57 wrote:
Dr.Hackenbush wrote:
SCMW57 wrote:
Another point in our fight against relegation.
Udinese & Granada Reserves will soon get fed up with the situation and want out....
Sorry, I thought your team were in a Conference promotion push?
Where you will you be when we start winning then mate?
Lifelong Watford supporter watching his club loose it's identity.
Will always support Watford but. I've got. My views...
Believe that, you'll believe anything!
How much have we spent on players in last 2 years? Nothing!
What's happened to our promising young players? Sold or sent out on loan never to be seen again.
The Pozzo experiment is failing and they will sell out soon.
[quote][p][bold]mkhornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SCMW57[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr.Hackenbush[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SCMW57[/bold] wrote: Another point in our fight against relegation. Udinese & Granada Reserves will soon get fed up with the situation and want out....[/p][/quote]Sorry, I thought your team were in a Conference promotion push? Where you will you be when we start winning then mate?[/p][/quote]Lifelong Watford supporter watching his club loose it's identity. Will always support Watford but. I've got. My views...[/p][/quote]Believe that, you'll believe anything![/p][/quote]How much have we spent on players in last 2 years? Nothing! What's happened to our promising young players? Sold or sent out on loan never to be seen again. The Pozzo experiment is failing and they will sell out soon. SCMW57
  • Score: -78

6:03pm Sat 18 Jan 14

Harry's Bar says...

Angella.Merkel wrote:
The unbeaten run till May starts now !!
That's the sort of talk I like to hear.

You're not really Angela Merkel are you?
[quote][p][bold]Angella.Merkel[/bold] wrote: The unbeaten run till May starts now !![/p][/quote]That's the sort of talk I like to hear. You're not really Angela Merkel are you? Harry's Bar
  • Score: 18

6:04pm Sat 18 Jan 14

buckler says...

#NOPYRONOPARTY! Have it..
#NOPYRONOPARTY! Have it.. buckler
  • Score: -13

6:10pm Sat 18 Jan 14

VOReason says...

Embarrassed to be a watford fan today. In fighting, abuse if stewards and police plus letting off flares ...

Refereeing may have been awful but still no justification for what followed ... I ll think twice about future family away days!!!
Embarrassed to be a watford fan today. In fighting, abuse if stewards and police plus letting off flares ... Refereeing may have been awful but still no justification for what followed ... I ll think twice about future family away days!!! VOReason
  • Score: 17

6:12pm Sat 18 Jan 14

Abbots hornet says...

Sounds like another dubious ref doing their level best to scupper the horns 2 pens is bad enough but sending off the wrong player is very very poor.Played 8 mins injury time as well.Nothing seems to happen to these refs look at Oliver last year with Knockart regular in the prem now must be they don't have enough willing to do it! Sure it's difficult but at least try and send off the right player! Perhaps Boyeson will be awarded a big cup game next week by the FA.
Angella will have his red card cancelled.A good point in the end and some great last ditch defending Especially by Pudil. Well done Almunia another great double penalty save
Sounds like another dubious ref doing their level best to scupper the horns 2 pens is bad enough but sending off the wrong player is very very poor.Played 8 mins injury time as well.Nothing seems to happen to these refs look at Oliver last year with Knockart regular in the prem now must be they don't have enough willing to do it! Sure it's difficult but at least try and send off the right player! Perhaps Boyeson will be awarded a big cup game next week by the FA. Angella will have his red card cancelled.A good point in the end and some great last ditch defending Especially by Pudil. Well done Almunia another great double penalty save Abbots hornet
  • Score: 16

6:17pm Sat 18 Jan 14

WessexLad says...

I picked up 3CR a few minutes into the second half, and it sounded as though Watford were well in control. Then the so-called shirt pull, with the ref only yards away not seeing it, and the linesman had such a wonderful view that he got the wrong player sent off. Then Fitz Hall's clean interception, but at least that didn't cost us a goal.

All credit, then, to the ten men for heroic defence, and the 1,422 who braved the elements to cheer them on (I didn't count the idiot who threw the flare, his action that could cost us points, as well as a fine).
I picked up 3CR a few minutes into the second half, and it sounded as though Watford were well in control. Then the so-called shirt pull, with the ref only yards away not seeing it, and the linesman had such a wonderful view that he got the wrong player sent off. Then Fitz Hall's clean interception, but at least that didn't cost us a goal. All credit, then, to the ten men for heroic defence, and the 1,422 who braved the elements to cheer them on (I didn't count the idiot who threw the flare, his action that could cost us points, as well as a fine). WessexLad
  • Score: 25

6:21pm Sat 18 Jan 14

micksolly says...

Hornet1995 wrote:
Anger of our fans justified imo. No doubt the fa will do their utmost to impose another fine on our club. Incidents like that would not happen in the first place if they didn't keep consistently letting incompetent referees officiate our matches.
Sorry but have to disagree someone has gone to the game with a smoke bomb ( or whatever it was) and let it off. He or she was obviously fully aware of the possible consequences of action that may be taken against our club. Totally irresponsible and no justification what so ever.
[quote][p][bold]Hornet1995[/bold] wrote: Anger of our fans justified imo. No doubt the fa will do their utmost to impose another fine on our club. Incidents like that would not happen in the first place if they didn't keep consistently letting incompetent referees officiate our matches.[/p][/quote]Sorry but have to disagree someone has gone to the game with a smoke bomb ( or whatever it was) and let it off. He or she was obviously fully aware of the possible consequences of action that may be taken against our club. Totally irresponsible and no justification what so ever. micksolly
  • Score: 57

6:26pm Sat 18 Jan 14

onion8837 says...

VOReason wrote:
Embarrassed to be a watford fan today. In fighting, abuse if stewards and police plus letting off flares ...

Refereeing may have been awful but still no justification for what followed ... I ll think twice about future family away days!!!
Gosh, we almost sound like a proper football club rather than a Sunday School day out.
[quote][p][bold]VOReason[/bold] wrote: Embarrassed to be a watford fan today. In fighting, abuse if stewards and police plus letting off flares ... Refereeing may have been awful but still no justification for what followed ... I ll think twice about future family away days!!![/p][/quote]Gosh, we almost sound like a proper football club rather than a Sunday School day out. onion8837
  • Score: -17

6:46pm Sat 18 Jan 14

jasonwatford says...

SCMW57 wrote:
mkhornet wrote:
SCMW57 wrote:
Dr.Hackenbush wrote:
SCMW57 wrote:
Another point in our fight against relegation.
Udinese & Granada Reserves will soon get fed up with the situation and want out....
Sorry, I thought your team were in a Conference promotion push?
Where you will you be when we start winning then mate?
Lifelong Watford supporter watching his club loose it's identity.
Will always support Watford but. I've got. My views...
Believe that, you'll believe anything!
How much have we spent on players in last 2 years? Nothing!
What's happened to our promising young players? Sold or sent out on loan never to be seen again.
The Pozzo experiment is failing and they will sell out soon.
Just taken out a long term lease at UCL.....Building an indoor training centre and medical unit...building a new stand that ever owner since Elton has promised us ? Does that sound like someone selling out ? Ur a tool mate so go and comment in your local scummer news
[quote][p][bold]SCMW57[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mkhornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SCMW57[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr.Hackenbush[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SCMW57[/bold] wrote: Another point in our fight against relegation. Udinese & Granada Reserves will soon get fed up with the situation and want out....[/p][/quote]Sorry, I thought your team were in a Conference promotion push? Where you will you be when we start winning then mate?[/p][/quote]Lifelong Watford supporter watching his club loose it's identity. Will always support Watford but. I've got. My views...[/p][/quote]Believe that, you'll believe anything![/p][/quote]How much have we spent on players in last 2 years? Nothing! What's happened to our promising young players? Sold or sent out on loan never to be seen again. The Pozzo experiment is failing and they will sell out soon.[/p][/quote]Just taken out a long term lease at UCL.....Building an indoor training centre and medical unit...building a new stand that ever owner since Elton has promised us ? Does that sound like someone selling out ? Ur a tool mate so go and comment in your local scummer news jasonwatford
  • Score: 54

7:05pm Sat 18 Jan 14

Jezza_A says...

SCMW57 wrote:
Dr.Hackenbush wrote:
SCMW57 wrote:
Another point in our fight against relegation.
Udinese & Granada Reserves will soon get fed up with the situation and want out....
Sorry, I thought your team were in a Conference promotion push?
Where you will you be when we start winning then mate?
Lifelong Watford supporter watching his club loose it's identity.
Will always support Watford but. I've got. My views...
"Loose" it's identity? Even if you could spell (and punctuate), your comment would be misguided at best. Was our identity a long ball side? Was it a middle of the Championship side? Was it a side plagued by a succession of hapless owners? If that's the identity we've lost, then good. It's tough at the moment, but the potential for it to get better is greater now than at any time since the first Elton/Taylor era, when, incidentally, I started watching.
[quote][p][bold]SCMW57[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr.Hackenbush[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SCMW57[/bold] wrote: Another point in our fight against relegation. Udinese & Granada Reserves will soon get fed up with the situation and want out....[/p][/quote]Sorry, I thought your team were in a Conference promotion push? Where you will you be when we start winning then mate?[/p][/quote]Lifelong Watford supporter watching his club loose it's identity. Will always support Watford but. I've got. My views...[/p][/quote]"Loose" it's identity? Even if you could spell (and punctuate), your comment would be misguided at best. Was our identity a long ball side? Was it a middle of the Championship side? Was it a side plagued by a succession of hapless owners? If that's the identity we've lost, then good. It's tough at the moment, but the potential for it to get better is greater now than at any time since the first Elton/Taylor era, when, incidentally, I started watching. Jezza_A
  • Score: 43

7:05pm Sat 18 Jan 14

Feff says...

I have been a Watford supporter for over 40 years and I have to agree that the team has lost its identity. It is no longer a friendly club. The happy days of Elton John's Taylor made army have long gone. We are no longer a local team with decent supporters. The atmosphere has changed and, for me, not for the better. Last season we played exciting football. We are not even doing that now. It's all very sad.
I have been a Watford supporter for over 40 years and I have to agree that the team has lost its identity. It is no longer a friendly club. The happy days of Elton John's Taylor made army have long gone. We are no longer a local team with decent supporters. The atmosphere has changed and, for me, not for the better. Last season we played exciting football. We are not even doing that now. It's all very sad. Feff
  • Score: -36

7:12pm Sat 18 Jan 14

SCMW57 says...

jasonwatford wrote:
SCMW57 wrote:
mkhornet wrote:
SCMW57 wrote:
Dr.Hackenbush wrote:
SCMW57 wrote:
Another point in our fight against relegation.
Udinese & Granada Reserves will soon get fed up with the situation and want out....
Sorry, I thought your team were in a Conference promotion push?
Where you will you be when we start winning then mate?
Lifelong Watford supporter watching his club loose it's identity.
Will always support Watford but. I've got. My views...
Believe that, you'll believe anything!
How much have we spent on players in last 2 years? Nothing!
What's happened to our promising young players? Sold or sent out on loan never to be seen again.
The Pozzo experiment is failing and they will sell out soon.
Just taken out a long term lease at UCL.....Building an indoor training centre and medical unit...building a new stand that ever owner since Elton has promised us ? Does that sound like someone selling out ? Ur a tool mate so go and comment in your local scummer news
Just wait and see.....
[quote][p][bold]jasonwatford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SCMW57[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mkhornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SCMW57[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr.Hackenbush[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SCMW57[/bold] wrote: Another point in our fight against relegation. Udinese & Granada Reserves will soon get fed up with the situation and want out....[/p][/quote]Sorry, I thought your team were in a Conference promotion push? Where you will you be when we start winning then mate?[/p][/quote]Lifelong Watford supporter watching his club loose it's identity. Will always support Watford but. I've got. My views...[/p][/quote]Believe that, you'll believe anything![/p][/quote]How much have we spent on players in last 2 years? Nothing! What's happened to our promising young players? Sold or sent out on loan never to be seen again. The Pozzo experiment is failing and they will sell out soon.[/p][/quote]Just taken out a long term lease at UCL.....Building an indoor training centre and medical unit...building a new stand that ever owner since Elton has promised us ? Does that sound like someone selling out ? Ur a tool mate so go and comment in your local scummer news[/p][/quote]Just wait and see..... SCMW57
  • Score: -30

7:13pm Sat 18 Jan 14

onion8837 says...

Feff wrote:
I have been a Watford supporter for over 40 years and I have to agree that the team has lost its identity. It is no longer a friendly club. The happy days of Elton John's Taylor made army have long gone. We are no longer a local team with decent supporters. The atmosphere has changed and, for me, not for the better. Last season we played exciting football. We are not even doing that now. It's all very sad.
Me too - first game was 1971...but can't agree with you. The world of football has changed beyond recognition (not for the better) but that is the context the club operates in. The days of Celtic winning the European Cup with a team all born within 30 miles of the ground will never happen again.

We are (painfully) a local club and is still a patient, tolerant, friendly club. Bit more passion would be a good thing, not a bad thing.

Get over it and get on with it
[quote][p][bold]Feff[/bold] wrote: I have been a Watford supporter for over 40 years and I have to agree that the team has lost its identity. It is no longer a friendly club. The happy days of Elton John's Taylor made army have long gone. We are no longer a local team with decent supporters. The atmosphere has changed and, for me, not for the better. Last season we played exciting football. We are not even doing that now. It's all very sad.[/p][/quote]Me too - first game was 1971...but can't agree with you. The world of football has changed beyond recognition (not for the better) but that is the context the club operates in. The days of Celtic winning the European Cup with a team all born within 30 miles of the ground will never happen again. We are (painfully) a local club and is still a patient, tolerant, friendly club. Bit more passion would be a good thing, not a bad thing. Get over it and get on with it onion8837
  • Score: 34

7:32pm Sat 18 Jan 14

SCMW57 says...

Jezza_A wrote:
SCMW57 wrote:
Dr.Hackenbush wrote:
SCMW57 wrote:
Another point in our fight against relegation.
Udinese & Granada Reserves will soon get fed up with the situation and want out....
Sorry, I thought your team were in a Conference promotion push?
Where you will you be when we start winning then mate?
Lifelong Watford supporter watching his club loose it's identity.
Will always support Watford but. I've got. My views...
"Loose" it's identity? Even if you could spell (and punctuate), your comment would be misguided at best. Was our identity a long ball side? Was it a middle of the Championship side? Was it a side plagued by a succession of hapless owners? If that's the identity we've lost, then good. It's tough at the moment, but the potential for it to get better is greater now than at any time since the first Elton/Taylor era, when, incidentally, I started watching.
I'm talking about the DNA of the club, not the style of football!
Unfriendly, no chance for local young talent to progress......in essence we are just a feeding ground for players who can't make the grade in Italy.
I get involved with the corporate community - not once in the past 2 years have Board members shown their faces and spoken to those who support them.
Watford has LOST its identity and all the good things that it stood for....
[quote][p][bold]Jezza_A[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SCMW57[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr.Hackenbush[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SCMW57[/bold] wrote: Another point in our fight against relegation. Udinese & Granada Reserves will soon get fed up with the situation and want out....[/p][/quote]Sorry, I thought your team were in a Conference promotion push? Where you will you be when we start winning then mate?[/p][/quote]Lifelong Watford supporter watching his club loose it's identity. Will always support Watford but. I've got. My views...[/p][/quote]"Loose" it's identity? Even if you could spell (and punctuate), your comment would be misguided at best. Was our identity a long ball side? Was it a middle of the Championship side? Was it a side plagued by a succession of hapless owners? If that's the identity we've lost, then good. It's tough at the moment, but the potential for it to get better is greater now than at any time since the first Elton/Taylor era, when, incidentally, I started watching.[/p][/quote]I'm talking about the DNA of the club, not the style of football! Unfriendly, no chance for local young talent to progress......in essence we are just a feeding ground for players who can't make the grade in Italy. I get involved with the corporate community - not once in the past 2 years have Board members shown their faces and spoken to those who support them. Watford has LOST its identity and all the good things that it stood for.... SCMW57
  • Score: -23

8:23pm Sat 18 Jan 14

steve675391 says...

Feff wrote:
I have been a Watford supporter for over 40 years and I have to agree that the team has lost its identity. It is no longer a friendly club. The happy days of Elton John's Taylor made army have long gone. We are no longer a local team with decent supporters. The atmosphere has changed and, for me, not for the better. Last season we played exciting football. We are not even doing that now. It's all very sad.
What a load of twaddle. I've been a fan for over 50 years now (nearly 60, in fact) and am very excited with the Pozzo regime, and what they are trying to achieve.
I am convinced we have exciting times to look forward to in the coming years.
Have always and will always love the horns.
[quote][p][bold]Feff[/bold] wrote: I have been a Watford supporter for over 40 years and I have to agree that the team has lost its identity. It is no longer a friendly club. The happy days of Elton John's Taylor made army have long gone. We are no longer a local team with decent supporters. The atmosphere has changed and, for me, not for the better. Last season we played exciting football. We are not even doing that now. It's all very sad.[/p][/quote]What a load of twaddle. I've been a fan for over 50 years now (nearly 60, in fact) and am very excited with the Pozzo regime, and what they are trying to achieve. I am convinced we have exciting times to look forward to in the coming years. Have always and will always love the horns. steve675391
  • Score: 30

8:24pm Sat 18 Jan 14

onion8837 says...

steve675391 wrote:
Feff wrote:
I have been a Watford supporter for over 40 years and I have to agree that the team has lost its identity. It is no longer a friendly club. The happy days of Elton John's Taylor made army have long gone. We are no longer a local team with decent supporters. The atmosphere has changed and, for me, not for the better. Last season we played exciting football. We are not even doing that now. It's all very sad.
What a load of twaddle. I've been a fan for over 50 years now (nearly 60, in fact) and am very excited with the Pozzo regime, and what they are trying to achieve.
I am convinced we have exciting times to look forward to in the coming years.
Have always and will always love the horns.
Agreed
[quote][p][bold]steve675391[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Feff[/bold] wrote: I have been a Watford supporter for over 40 years and I have to agree that the team has lost its identity. It is no longer a friendly club. The happy days of Elton John's Taylor made army have long gone. We are no longer a local team with decent supporters. The atmosphere has changed and, for me, not for the better. Last season we played exciting football. We are not even doing that now. It's all very sad.[/p][/quote]What a load of twaddle. I've been a fan for over 50 years now (nearly 60, in fact) and am very excited with the Pozzo regime, and what they are trying to achieve. I am convinced we have exciting times to look forward to in the coming years. Have always and will always love the horns.[/p][/quote]Agreed onion8837
  • Score: 13

8:36pm Sat 18 Jan 14

SuperHorns says...

SCMW57 wrote:
Jezza_A wrote:
SCMW57 wrote:
Dr.Hackenbush wrote:
SCMW57 wrote:
Another point in our fight against relegation.
Udinese & Granada Reserves will soon get fed up with the situation and want out....
Sorry, I thought your team were in a Conference promotion push?
Where you will you be when we start winning then mate?
Lifelong Watford supporter watching his club loose it's identity.
Will always support Watford but. I've got. My views...
"Loose" it's identity? Even if you could spell (and punctuate), your comment would be misguided at best. Was our identity a long ball side? Was it a middle of the Championship side? Was it a side plagued by a succession of hapless owners? If that's the identity we've lost, then good. It's tough at the moment, but the potential for it to get better is greater now than at any time since the first Elton/Taylor era, when, incidentally, I started watching.
I'm talking about the DNA of the club, not the style of football!
Unfriendly, no chance for local young talent to progress......in essence we are just a feeding ground for players who can't make the grade in Italy.
I get involved with the corporate community - not once in the past 2 years have Board members shown their faces and spoken to those who support them.
Watford has LOST its identity and all the good things that it stood for....
Watford have not lost anything in fact it's the opposite, they are gaining both fan base and economically looking better and better.
And what do you want these board members say to you?
For me they don't need to say anything.
The players we got are showing their passion and I still think our youngsters will still get opportunities as long as they are good enough.
Whilst I understand you have a voice and you can say whatever, your very much the minority, insignificant viewpoint to the majority that have been happy at the pozzo takeover.
[quote][p][bold]SCMW57[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jezza_A[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SCMW57[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr.Hackenbush[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SCMW57[/bold] wrote: Another point in our fight against relegation. Udinese & Granada Reserves will soon get fed up with the situation and want out....[/p][/quote]Sorry, I thought your team were in a Conference promotion push? Where you will you be when we start winning then mate?[/p][/quote]Lifelong Watford supporter watching his club loose it's identity. Will always support Watford but. I've got. My views...[/p][/quote]"Loose" it's identity? Even if you could spell (and punctuate), your comment would be misguided at best. Was our identity a long ball side? Was it a middle of the Championship side? Was it a side plagued by a succession of hapless owners? If that's the identity we've lost, then good. It's tough at the moment, but the potential for it to get better is greater now than at any time since the first Elton/Taylor era, when, incidentally, I started watching.[/p][/quote]I'm talking about the DNA of the club, not the style of football! Unfriendly, no chance for local young talent to progress......in essence we are just a feeding ground for players who can't make the grade in Italy. I get involved with the corporate community - not once in the past 2 years have Board members shown their faces and spoken to those who support them. Watford has LOST its identity and all the good things that it stood for....[/p][/quote]Watford have not lost anything in fact it's the opposite, they are gaining both fan base and economically looking better and better. And what do you want these board members say to you? For me they don't need to say anything. The players we got are showing their passion and I still think our youngsters will still get opportunities as long as they are good enough. Whilst I understand you have a voice and you can say whatever, your very much the minority, insignificant viewpoint to the majority that have been happy at the pozzo takeover. SuperHorns
  • Score: 18

8:38pm Sat 18 Jan 14

Cuetip says...

Hairy Hornet wrote:
hemelhorn87 wrote:
Bit of fight! Love it! Almunia a hero (not for the first time) and can always rely on Pudil to give 110% with a superb block late on I hear! Sounds like Fitz is on his way to a contract extension too!
From the commentary sounds like Pudil put himself on the line a few times. Hopefully Red card will be rescinded and no action against Ekstrand. Same for Hall if they appeal.
Important point today, think the play offs are out of reach now though.
Quite a game.

Well done to everyone to grab a point.
[quote][p][bold]Hairy Hornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hemelhorn87[/bold] wrote: Bit of fight! Love it! Almunia a hero (not for the first time) and can always rely on Pudil to give 110% with a superb block late on I hear! Sounds like Fitz is on his way to a contract extension too![/p][/quote]From the commentary sounds like Pudil put himself on the line a few times. Hopefully Red card will be rescinded and no action against Ekstrand. Same for Hall if they appeal. Important point today, think the play offs are out of reach now though.[/p][/quote]Quite a game. Well done to everyone to grab a point. Cuetip
  • Score: 11

9:12pm Sat 18 Jan 14

poole-horn says...

VOReason wrote:
Embarrassed to be a watford fan today. In fighting, abuse if stewards and police plus letting off flares ... Refereeing may have been awful but still no justification for what followed ... I ll think twice about future family away days!!!
Calm down, I started the match in the south stand (Bournemouth stand) but after speaking to stewards was allowed into Watford section. Obviously I had no seat as Watford end was sold out so I stood at the front. I complained to the police and stewards on several occasions that they were obstructing the view of the pitch for at least 3 rows of fans.
I was told by the police officer that Watford fans had been the least well behaved of any visiting supporters this season !!!
We weren't badly behaved, just infuriated by inadequate officials.
[quote][p][bold]VOReason[/bold] wrote: Embarrassed to be a watford fan today. In fighting, abuse if stewards and police plus letting off flares ... Refereeing may have been awful but still no justification for what followed ... I ll think twice about future family away days!!![/p][/quote]Calm down, I started the match in the south stand (Bournemouth stand) but after speaking to stewards was allowed into Watford section. Obviously I had no seat as Watford end was sold out so I stood at the front. I complained to the police and stewards on several occasions that they were obstructing the view of the pitch for at least 3 rows of fans. I was told by the police officer that Watford fans had been the least well behaved of any visiting supporters this season !!! We weren't badly behaved, just infuriated by inadequate officials. poole-horn
  • Score: 11

9:16pm Sat 18 Jan 14

onion8837 says...

poole-horn wrote:
VOReason wrote:
Embarrassed to be a watford fan today. In fighting, abuse if stewards and police plus letting off flares ... Refereeing may have been awful but still no justification for what followed ... I ll think twice about future family away days!!!
Calm down, I started the match in the south stand (Bournemouth stand) but after speaking to stewards was allowed into Watford section. Obviously I had no seat as Watford end was sold out so I stood at the front. I complained to the police and stewards on several occasions that they were obstructing the view of the pitch for at least 3 rows of fans.
I was told by the police officer that Watford fans had been the least well behaved of any visiting supporters this season !!!
We weren't badly behaved, just infuriated by inadequate officials.
Gosh no, that constitutes a riot - despicable behaviour by a minority of not proper Watford fans causing others to drop their flasks, blankets, etc
[quote][p][bold]poole-horn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VOReason[/bold] wrote: Embarrassed to be a watford fan today. In fighting, abuse if stewards and police plus letting off flares ... Refereeing may have been awful but still no justification for what followed ... I ll think twice about future family away days!!![/p][/quote]Calm down, I started the match in the south stand (Bournemouth stand) but after speaking to stewards was allowed into Watford section. Obviously I had no seat as Watford end was sold out so I stood at the front. I complained to the police and stewards on several occasions that they were obstructing the view of the pitch for at least 3 rows of fans. I was told by the police officer that Watford fans had been the least well behaved of any visiting supporters this season !!! We weren't badly behaved, just infuriated by inadequate officials.[/p][/quote]Gosh no, that constitutes a riot - despicable behaviour by a minority of not proper Watford fans causing others to drop their flasks, blankets, etc onion8837
  • Score: -7

9:18pm Sat 18 Jan 14

Hornet Cornet says...

We're going down folks

Face it
We're going down folks Face it Hornet Cornet
  • Score: -37

9:20pm Sat 18 Jan 14

Drewoneone says...

SCMW57 wrote:
mkhornet wrote:
SCMW57 wrote:
Dr.Hackenbush wrote:
SCMW57 wrote:
Another point in our fight against relegation.
Udinese & Granada Reserves will soon get fed up with the situation and want out....
Sorry, I thought your team were in a Conference promotion push?
Where you will you be when we start winning then mate?
Lifelong Watford supporter watching his club loose it's identity.
Will always support Watford but. I've got. My views...
Believe that, you'll believe anything!
How much have we spent on players in last 2 years? Nothing!
What's happened to our promising young players? Sold or sent out on loan never to be seen again.
The Pozzo experiment is failing and they will sell out soon.
Dumb quote of the day. "Pozzo experiment failing" - what tosh. The owners are patience personified and are in it for the long term. You've been watching too many moronic owners at Prem League clubs and think all owners are in it for the short term and the quick buck. Look at the other two clubs they own, especially Granada who have risen from nowhere to La Liga. Gino Pozzo has moved to England - is that the mark of someone looking for a way out?
[quote][p][bold]SCMW57[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mkhornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SCMW57[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr.Hackenbush[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SCMW57[/bold] wrote: Another point in our fight against relegation. Udinese & Granada Reserves will soon get fed up with the situation and want out....[/p][/quote]Sorry, I thought your team were in a Conference promotion push? Where you will you be when we start winning then mate?[/p][/quote]Lifelong Watford supporter watching his club loose it's identity. Will always support Watford but. I've got. My views...[/p][/quote]Believe that, you'll believe anything![/p][/quote]How much have we spent on players in last 2 years? Nothing! What's happened to our promising young players? Sold or sent out on loan never to be seen again. The Pozzo experiment is failing and they will sell out soon.[/p][/quote]Dumb quote of the day. "Pozzo experiment failing" - what tosh. The owners are patience personified and are in it for the long term. You've been watching too many moronic owners at Prem League clubs and think all owners are in it for the short term and the quick buck. Look at the other two clubs they own, especially Granada who have risen from nowhere to La Liga. Gino Pozzo has moved to England - is that the mark of someone looking for a way out? Drewoneone
  • Score: 19

9:28pm Sat 18 Jan 14

Drewoneone says...

Abbots hornet wrote:
Sounds like another dubious ref doing their level best to scupper the horns 2 pens is bad enough but sending off the wrong player is very very poor.Played 8 mins injury time as well.Nothing seems to happen to these refs look at Oliver last year with Knockart regular in the prem now must be they don't have enough willing to do it! Sure it's difficult but at least try and send off the right player! Perhaps Boyeson will be awarded a big cup game next week by the FA.
Angella will have his red card cancelled.A good point in the end and some great last ditch defending Especially by Pudil. Well done Almunia another great double penalty save
When I got home I said to my wife that Almunia (and the other players for that matter) got a standing ovation at the end...then I remembered that we had all been standing all the way through anyway! Brilliant defensive effort in the last half hour. Shame about the sending off as I thought we were in for 3 points today.

As far as the flare throwing was concerned - whoever you are (if you can read) I hope you've got a decent bank balance and do the right thing and pay the fine coming our way. Well done Bournemouth stewards in frisking away fans at the turnstiles and allowing the flare in. Either search everybody or nobody.
[quote][p][bold]Abbots hornet[/bold] wrote: Sounds like another dubious ref doing their level best to scupper the horns 2 pens is bad enough but sending off the wrong player is very very poor.Played 8 mins injury time as well.Nothing seems to happen to these refs look at Oliver last year with Knockart regular in the prem now must be they don't have enough willing to do it! Sure it's difficult but at least try and send off the right player! Perhaps Boyeson will be awarded a big cup game next week by the FA. Angella will have his red card cancelled.A good point in the end and some great last ditch defending Especially by Pudil. Well done Almunia another great double penalty save[/p][/quote]When I got home I said to my wife that Almunia (and the other players for that matter) got a standing ovation at the end...then I remembered that we had all been standing all the way through anyway! Brilliant defensive effort in the last half hour. Shame about the sending off as I thought we were in for 3 points today. As far as the flare throwing was concerned - whoever you are (if you can read) I hope you've got a decent bank balance and do the right thing and pay the fine coming our way. Well done Bournemouth stewards in frisking away fans at the turnstiles and allowing the flare in. Either search everybody or nobody. Drewoneone
  • Score: 14

9:37pm Sat 18 Jan 14

Drewoneone says...

Jezza_A wrote:
SCMW57 wrote:
Dr.Hackenbush wrote:
SCMW57 wrote:
Another point in our fight against relegation.
Udinese & Granada Reserves will soon get fed up with the situation and want out....
Sorry, I thought your team were in a Conference promotion push?
Where you will you be when we start winning then mate?
Lifelong Watford supporter watching his club loose it's identity.
Will always support Watford but. I've got. My views...
"Loose" it's identity? Even if you could spell (and punctuate), your comment would be misguided at best. Was our identity a long ball side? Was it a middle of the Championship side? Was it a side plagued by a succession of hapless owners? If that's the identity we've lost, then good. It's tough at the moment, but the potential for it to get better is greater now than at any time since the first Elton/Taylor era, when, incidentally, I started watching.
Well said Jezza. Where do these people come from (must be L***n)? I go back further to the dire pre-Elton/Taylor era when the club was going nowhere (especially after Furphy went - he got us to level two for the first time). This is a long term "project" with owners who know what they are doing and have proved it by getting two clubs into their respective countries' top tier. Udinese were on the brink of Champions League football two seasons ago. Why can't that happen with us?
[quote][p][bold]Jezza_A[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SCMW57[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr.Hackenbush[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SCMW57[/bold] wrote: Another point in our fight against relegation. Udinese & Granada Reserves will soon get fed up with the situation and want out....[/p][/quote]Sorry, I thought your team were in a Conference promotion push? Where you will you be when we start winning then mate?[/p][/quote]Lifelong Watford supporter watching his club loose it's identity. Will always support Watford but. I've got. My views...[/p][/quote]"Loose" it's identity? Even if you could spell (and punctuate), your comment would be misguided at best. Was our identity a long ball side? Was it a middle of the Championship side? Was it a side plagued by a succession of hapless owners? If that's the identity we've lost, then good. It's tough at the moment, but the potential for it to get better is greater now than at any time since the first Elton/Taylor era, when, incidentally, I started watching.[/p][/quote]Well said Jezza. Where do these people come from (must be L***n)? I go back further to the dire pre-Elton/Taylor era when the club was going nowhere (especially after Furphy went - he got us to level two for the first time). This is a long term "project" with owners who know what they are doing and have proved it by getting two clubs into their respective countries' top tier. Udinese were on the brink of Champions League football two seasons ago. Why can't that happen with us? Drewoneone
  • Score: 9

10:49pm Sat 18 Jan 14

buckshornet says...

there wasn't a fight there was an argument regarding fans standing fact! the flare's are out of order and someone will get hurt sooner or later.nothing wrong with the fans passion
there wasn't a fight there was an argument regarding fans standing fact! the flare's are out of order and someone will get hurt sooner or later.nothing wrong with the fans passion buckshornet
  • Score: 4

10:54pm Sat 18 Jan 14

desk35 says...

cannot believe some of the comments on here
Yes the idiot with the flare should be banned for a number of years
However as someone who was at the game in the second half the players gave all
blood and thunder
To achieve a draw in these circumstance was excellent .So proud to be a hornet
cannot believe some of the comments on here Yes the idiot with the flare should be banned for a number of years However as someone who was at the game in the second half the players gave all blood and thunder To achieve a draw in these circumstance was excellent .So proud to be a hornet desk35
  • Score: 15

12:13am Sun 19 Jan 14

Apsley Ralph says...

Rarely post but makes me laugh all the people on here that just bicker and squabble with each other about things completely irrelevant to the game more often than not! When we lose there's usually on average about 80 posts per game, majority nonsense and when we win a game about 25-30! I was there today, you could certainly argue that a few things didn't go our way but from looking good to take 3 points, in the end it was certainly a well earned point. As for the fans, looks like a lot of the people at the front weren't interested in where their seats were, they were more interested in winding up the stewards, police etc. Banter and having a laugh is great, sometimes the line is crossed. As for the plum and his son sat behind me, never seen or heard 2 people that have such biased & one-sided tunnel vision. Forget the penalties, every throw-in, ball possibly over the line, slight nudge or contact etc greeted with the referee or opponent being a cheat blah blah blah... get real chaps and perhaps buy yourselves a rules book. I will avoid commenting on the penalties as every one will have their own opinions re both incidents and yes they will differ for varying reasons. Last point, 2 dead ball situations in 6th or 7th minute of stoppage time - why didn't we chuck a few in the box and create a chance like the goal we scored?
Rarely post but makes me laugh all the people on here that just bicker and squabble with each other about things completely irrelevant to the game more often than not! When we lose there's usually on average about 80 posts per game, majority nonsense and when we win a game about 25-30! I was there today, you could certainly argue that a few things didn't go our way but from looking good to take 3 points, in the end it was certainly a well earned point. As for the fans, looks like a lot of the people at the front weren't interested in where their seats were, they were more interested in winding up the stewards, police etc. Banter and having a laugh is great, sometimes the line is crossed. As for the plum and his son sat behind me, never seen or heard 2 people that have such biased & one-sided tunnel vision. Forget the penalties, every throw-in, ball possibly over the line, slight nudge or contact etc greeted with the referee or opponent being a cheat blah blah blah... get real chaps and perhaps buy yourselves a rules book. I will avoid commenting on the penalties as every one will have their own opinions re both incidents and yes they will differ for varying reasons. Last point, 2 dead ball situations in 6th or 7th minute of stoppage time - why didn't we chuck a few in the box and create a chance like the goal we scored? Apsley Ralph
  • Score: 8

12:56am Sun 19 Jan 14

onlyonerodthomas says...

just seen the action on bbc1.shocking decisions by linesman and ref.yes first one is a pen and the second one was a perfectly timed tackle by hall in which almunia is booked!.angella's sending off will be recinded as mistaken identity but i dont think they can reverse the decision and ban ekstrand instead,so we might actually benefit from that.we will get a decent ref one day though.i reckon the fa will fine us again for hounding the ref.they just dont like us.
just seen the action on bbc1.shocking decisions by linesman and ref.yes first one is a pen and the second one was a perfectly timed tackle by hall in which almunia is booked!.angella's sending off will be recinded as mistaken identity but i dont think they can reverse the decision and ban ekstrand instead,so we might actually benefit from that.we will get a decent ref one day though.i reckon the fa will fine us again for hounding the ref.they just dont like us. onlyonerodthomas
  • Score: 8

8:00am Sun 19 Jan 14

SAHornet says...

Drewoneone wrote:
SCMW57 wrote:
mkhornet wrote:
SCMW57 wrote:
Dr.Hackenbush wrote:
SCMW57 wrote:
Another point in our fight against relegation.
Udinese & Granada Reserves will soon get fed up with the situation and want out....
Sorry, I thought your team were in a Conference promotion push?
Where you will you be when we start winning then mate?
Lifelong Watford supporter watching his club loose it's identity.
Will always support Watford but. I've got. My views...
Believe that, you'll believe anything!
How much have we spent on players in last 2 years? Nothing!
What's happened to our promising young players? Sold or sent out on loan never to be seen again.
The Pozzo experiment is failing and they will sell out soon.
Dumb quote of the day. "Pozzo experiment failing" - what tosh. The owners are patience personified and are in it for the long term. You've been watching too many moronic owners at Prem League clubs and think all owners are in it for the short term and the quick buck. Look at the other two clubs they own, especially Granada who have risen from nowhere to La Liga. Gino Pozzo has moved to England - is that the mark of someone looking for a way out?
Perfect response drewoneone and absolutely right but really, let's not bother to debate with the likes of SCMW57, Hornet Cornet etc etc. Every club has it's doom mongers and these will be the same people that, in better times, will sing the praises of The Pozzos, Mr. Sannino and the team and will conveniently forget just how corrosive their comments and views were.
[quote][p][bold]Drewoneone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SCMW57[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mkhornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SCMW57[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr.Hackenbush[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SCMW57[/bold] wrote: Another point in our fight against relegation. Udinese & Granada Reserves will soon get fed up with the situation and want out....[/p][/quote]Sorry, I thought your team were in a Conference promotion push? Where you will you be when we start winning then mate?[/p][/quote]Lifelong Watford supporter watching his club loose it's identity. Will always support Watford but. I've got. My views...[/p][/quote]Believe that, you'll believe anything![/p][/quote]How much have we spent on players in last 2 years? Nothing! What's happened to our promising young players? Sold or sent out on loan never to be seen again. The Pozzo experiment is failing and they will sell out soon.[/p][/quote]Dumb quote of the day. "Pozzo experiment failing" - what tosh. The owners are patience personified and are in it for the long term. You've been watching too many moronic owners at Prem League clubs and think all owners are in it for the short term and the quick buck. Look at the other two clubs they own, especially Granada who have risen from nowhere to La Liga. Gino Pozzo has moved to England - is that the mark of someone looking for a way out?[/p][/quote]Perfect response drewoneone and absolutely right but really, let's not bother to debate with the likes of SCMW57, Hornet Cornet etc etc. Every club has it's doom mongers and these will be the same people that, in better times, will sing the praises of The Pozzos, Mr. Sannino and the team and will conveniently forget just how corrosive their comments and views were. SAHornet
  • Score: 11

8:29am Sun 19 Jan 14

watford4ever says...

steve675391 wrote:
Feff wrote:
I have been a Watford supporter for over 40 years and I have to agree that the team has lost its identity. It is no longer a friendly club. The happy days of Elton John's Taylor made army have long gone. We are no longer a local team with decent supporters. The atmosphere has changed and, for me, not for the better. Last season we played exciting football. We are not even doing that now. It's all very sad.
What a load of twaddle. I've been a fan for over 50 years now (nearly 60, in fact) and am very excited with the Pozzo regime, and what they are trying to achieve.
I am convinced we have exciting times to look forward to in the coming years.
Have always and will always love the horns.
Another supporter with over 55 years on the terraces, and I totally agree. After the previous regimes in charge the Pozzo's are a breath of fresh air. They understand football, are investing in the club, sure they want to get to Premiership to make money, no problem let us enjoy the ride.
How quickly some people forget last season, fantastic passing football, goals every game and a play off final. Best football Watford have played for a very long time. Yes, we have a difficult period but we still have great capability and therefore potential, I still believe we will finish this season strongly, playing good attractive football.
[quote][p][bold]steve675391[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Feff[/bold] wrote: I have been a Watford supporter for over 40 years and I have to agree that the team has lost its identity. It is no longer a friendly club. The happy days of Elton John's Taylor made army have long gone. We are no longer a local team with decent supporters. The atmosphere has changed and, for me, not for the better. Last season we played exciting football. We are not even doing that now. It's all very sad.[/p][/quote]What a load of twaddle. I've been a fan for over 50 years now (nearly 60, in fact) and am very excited with the Pozzo regime, and what they are trying to achieve. I am convinced we have exciting times to look forward to in the coming years. Have always and will always love the horns.[/p][/quote]Another supporter with over 55 years on the terraces, and I totally agree. After the previous regimes in charge the Pozzo's are a breath of fresh air. They understand football, are investing in the club, sure they want to get to Premiership to make money, no problem let us enjoy the ride. How quickly some people forget last season, fantastic passing football, goals every game and a play off final. Best football Watford have played for a very long time. Yes, we have a difficult period but we still have great capability and therefore potential, I still believe we will finish this season strongly, playing good attractive football. watford4ever
  • Score: 11

9:08am Sun 19 Jan 14

North40rn says...

This site is shameful (yet I still read it) people moaning about owners, identity etc. tell you what, if you think you could do it better, then put you're hand in your pocket and do so. If you're unable to do so, then either like it or do one. It is the way it is, get behind the owners and team. Be careful what you wish for because things could be much worse,......anyone want baz back.
This site is shameful (yet I still read it) people moaning about owners, identity etc. tell you what, if you think you could do it better, then put you're hand in your pocket and do so. If you're unable to do so, then either like it or do one. It is the way it is, get behind the owners and team. Be careful what you wish for because things could be much worse,......anyone want baz back. North40rn
  • Score: 18

9:38am Sun 19 Jan 14

PMJ1966 says...

Feff wrote:
I have been a Watford supporter for over 40 years and I have to agree that the team has lost its identity. It is no longer a friendly club. The happy days of Elton John's Taylor made army have long gone. We are no longer a local team with decent supporters. The atmosphere has changed and, for me, not for the better. Last season we played exciting football. We are not even doing that now. It's all very sad.
Hi Feff, respect your view but please. When ever we think back it is often with fondness and we choose to forget the bad stuff and in my 35 odd years following the club we have certainly had lots of bad stuff as well as good. We are still a local team and we still have decent supporters and importantly owners that offer stability and vision. To have vision IMO is vital and a massive improvement from recent regimes that appeared to be here for the short term only to fill their pockets and "do one". Please remember this club was at the edge of financial ruin and saved by new owners that are putting their identity to it to keep it afloat and things will change. Change is good and exciting!

I used to go with my Grandad to the games (a supporter for 60 odd years) and he would bemoan about the club changing and losing its identity with all these girls coming to game! He would also observe the banter between home and away fans in the Vicarage Road end that let's be honest resulted in some fairly unpleasant stuff. This club like others will always be changing on and off the pitch and if new "enthusiastic" supporters (that are the life blood of the club) choose to come and support us rather than be sucked into big Premiership clubs that they have no affiliation with then great and they are well on the way to decency! Keep the faith, the passion and the football will continue to improve as well . However, I'm sure one or two nightmares will be present along the way!
[quote][p][bold]Feff[/bold] wrote: I have been a Watford supporter for over 40 years and I have to agree that the team has lost its identity. It is no longer a friendly club. The happy days of Elton John's Taylor made army have long gone. We are no longer a local team with decent supporters. The atmosphere has changed and, for me, not for the better. Last season we played exciting football. We are not even doing that now. It's all very sad.[/p][/quote]Hi Feff, respect your view but please. When ever we think back it is often with fondness and we choose to forget the bad stuff and in my 35 odd years following the club we have certainly had lots of bad stuff as well as good. We are still a local team and we still have decent supporters and importantly owners that offer stability and vision. To have vision IMO is vital and a massive improvement from recent regimes that appeared to be here for the short term only to fill their pockets and "do one". Please remember this club was at the edge of financial ruin and saved by new owners that are putting their identity to it to keep it afloat and things will change. Change is good and exciting! I used to go with my Grandad to the games (a supporter for 60 odd years) and he would bemoan about the club changing and losing its identity with all these girls coming to game! He would also observe the banter between home and away fans in the Vicarage Road end that let's be honest resulted in some fairly unpleasant stuff. This club like others will always be changing on and off the pitch and if new "enthusiastic" supporters (that are the life blood of the club) choose to come and support us rather than be sucked into big Premiership clubs that they have no affiliation with then great and they are well on the way to decency! Keep the faith, the passion and the football will continue to improve as well . However, I'm sure one or two nightmares will be present along the way! PMJ1966
  • Score: 15

9:38am Sun 19 Jan 14

VOReason says...

poole-horn wrote:
VOReason wrote:
Embarrassed to be a watford fan today. In fighting, abuse if stewards and police plus letting off flares ... Refereeing may have been awful but still no justification for what followed ... I ll think twice about future family away days!!!
Calm down, I started the match in the south stand (Bournemouth stand) but after speaking to stewards was allowed into Watford section. Obviously I had no seat as Watford end was sold out so I stood at the front. I complained to the police and stewards on several occasions that they were obstructing the view of the pitch for at least 3 rows of fans.
I was told by the police officer that Watford fans had been the least well behaved of any visiting supporters this season !!!
We weren't badly behaved, just infuriated by inadequate officials.
Reports of ejections, arrests, abuse of disabled fans now surfacing. Im afraid if poor refereeing decisions cause that reaction then please dont go ...

Its strange how our morons choose bournemouth away to play up yet are better behaved at leeds and the like ...
[quote][p][bold]poole-horn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VOReason[/bold] wrote: Embarrassed to be a watford fan today. In fighting, abuse if stewards and police plus letting off flares ... Refereeing may have been awful but still no justification for what followed ... I ll think twice about future family away days!!![/p][/quote]Calm down, I started the match in the south stand (Bournemouth stand) but after speaking to stewards was allowed into Watford section. Obviously I had no seat as Watford end was sold out so I stood at the front. I complained to the police and stewards on several occasions that they were obstructing the view of the pitch for at least 3 rows of fans. I was told by the police officer that Watford fans had been the least well behaved of any visiting supporters this season !!! We weren't badly behaved, just infuriated by inadequate officials.[/p][/quote]Reports of ejections, arrests, abuse of disabled fans now surfacing. Im afraid if poor refereeing decisions cause that reaction then please dont go ... Its strange how our morons choose bournemouth away to play up yet are better behaved at leeds and the like ... VOReason
  • Score: 1

9:38am Sun 19 Jan 14

VOReason says...

poole-horn wrote:
VOReason wrote:
Embarrassed to be a watford fan today. In fighting, abuse if stewards and police plus letting off flares ... Refereeing may have been awful but still no justification for what followed ... I ll think twice about future family away days!!!
Calm down, I started the match in the south stand (Bournemouth stand) but after speaking to stewards was allowed into Watford section. Obviously I had no seat as Watford end was sold out so I stood at the front. I complained to the police and stewards on several occasions that they were obstructing the view of the pitch for at least 3 rows of fans.
I was told by the police officer that Watford fans had been the least well behaved of any visiting supporters this season !!!
We weren't badly behaved, just infuriated by inadequate officials.
Reports of ejections, arrests, abuse of disabled fans now surfacing. Im afraid if poor refereeing decisions cause that reaction then please dont go ...

Its strange how our morons choose bournemouth away to play up yet are better behaved at leeds and the like ...
[quote][p][bold]poole-horn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VOReason[/bold] wrote: Embarrassed to be a watford fan today. In fighting, abuse if stewards and police plus letting off flares ... Refereeing may have been awful but still no justification for what followed ... I ll think twice about future family away days!!![/p][/quote]Calm down, I started the match in the south stand (Bournemouth stand) but after speaking to stewards was allowed into Watford section. Obviously I had no seat as Watford end was sold out so I stood at the front. I complained to the police and stewards on several occasions that they were obstructing the view of the pitch for at least 3 rows of fans. I was told by the police officer that Watford fans had been the least well behaved of any visiting supporters this season !!! We weren't badly behaved, just infuriated by inadequate officials.[/p][/quote]Reports of ejections, arrests, abuse of disabled fans now surfacing. Im afraid if poor refereeing decisions cause that reaction then please dont go ... Its strange how our morons choose bournemouth away to play up yet are better behaved at leeds and the like ... VOReason
  • Score: -1

9:41am Sun 19 Jan 14

Chris the Vic says...

great news that Almen had a good run.

However, Merkel followed by Angella beng sent off reminds me of the stupidity of the team and supportive supporters with a rash of red.

OK Angella is forgiven but replace him with Ekstrand.

yesterday we had three centre backs (if we count Cassetti) out and now another one banned. there comes a time when some players need to realise that by not using hands, not giving up on the harrying results in the opposition still maybe scoring but with 11 men on the pitch we are better placed to hold the point or even recover the full three.

We need 11 players on the pitch and to start picking up wins to halt the slide into the relegation battle.

Last year Zola sorted out the indiscipline and we went on a great run, Beppe please repeat message to some of the hotheaded players.

With Hoban not far away from recovery, hall playing well and he brings out the best from Nyron and Angella getting better we have the makings of a solid back three and this will be of immeasurable help with he creative Abdi in picking up three points on a far more regular basis.
great news that Almen had a good run. However, Merkel followed by Angella beng sent off reminds me of the stupidity of the team and supportive supporters with a rash of red. OK Angella is forgiven but replace him with Ekstrand. yesterday we had three centre backs (if we count Cassetti) out and now another one banned. there comes a time when some players need to realise that by not using hands, not giving up on the harrying results in the opposition still maybe scoring but with 11 men on the pitch we are better placed to hold the point or even recover the full three. We need 11 players on the pitch and to start picking up wins to halt the slide into the relegation battle. Last year Zola sorted out the indiscipline and we went on a great run, Beppe please repeat message to some of the hotheaded players. With Hoban not far away from recovery, hall playing well and he brings out the best from Nyron and Angella getting better we have the makings of a solid back three and this will be of immeasurable help with he creative Abdi in picking up three points on a far more regular basis. Chris the Vic
  • Score: 3

9:55am Sun 19 Jan 14

matey_from_brighton says...

The Pozzos have been here for a season and a half and given us one of the best seasons ever in our history in that time. They are building the new stand that has been promised since the Simpson era(remember the £1m for the EJ concert ring fenced money that disappeared whilst Simpson and Ashton paid themselves 500K+ salaries). Whilst it was great to see lots of youngsters coming through previously it was equally disappointing to then see them transferred out as soon as a "bigger" club came in with an underpriced bid that they knew we would take as we needed the money.
The heart and soul of the club is the fanbase and always will be. If you want us to go down the road of trying to buy our way to success take a look at Portsmouth, Wolves, Bolton etc. Football has changed, forget the old model that will no longer work, the Championship now is full of the best of the UK players that 20 years ago would have been playing in the Premiership/old Div 1 - we could not compete at this level solely via our youth set up forever. Move on or go non-league if you hanker after the old days that much.(theres always that lot up the M1 although their facilities are not really up to Conference standards)
The Pozzos have been here for a season and a half and given us one of the best seasons ever in our history in that time. They are building the new stand that has been promised since the Simpson era(remember the £1m for the EJ concert ring fenced money that disappeared whilst Simpson and Ashton paid themselves 500K+ salaries). Whilst it was great to see lots of youngsters coming through previously it was equally disappointing to then see them transferred out as soon as a "bigger" club came in with an underpriced bid that they knew we would take as we needed the money. The heart and soul of the club is the fanbase and always will be. If you want us to go down the road of trying to buy our way to success take a look at Portsmouth, Wolves, Bolton etc. Football has changed, forget the old model that will no longer work, the Championship now is full of the best of the UK players that 20 years ago would have been playing in the Premiership/old Div 1 - we could not compete at this level solely via our youth set up forever. Move on or go non-league if you hanker after the old days that much.(theres always that lot up the M1 although their facilities are not really up to Conference standards) matey_from_brighton
  • Score: 12

10:31am Sun 19 Jan 14

Stoney77 says...

watford4ever wrote:
steve675391 wrote:
Feff wrote:
I have been a Watford supporter for over 40 years and I have to agree that the team has lost its identity. It is no longer a friendly club. The happy days of Elton John's Taylor made army have long gone. We are no longer a local team with decent supporters. The atmosphere has changed and, for me, not for the better. Last season we played exciting football. We are not even doing that now. It's all very sad.
What a load of twaddle. I've been a fan for over 50 years now (nearly 60, in fact) and am very excited with the Pozzo regime, and what they are trying to achieve.
I am convinced we have exciting times to look forward to in the coming years.
Have always and will always love the horns.
Another supporter with over 55 years on the terraces, and I totally agree. After the previous regimes in charge the Pozzo's are a breath of fresh air. They understand football, are investing in the club, sure they want to get to Premiership to make money, no problem let us enjoy the ride.
How quickly some people forget last season, fantastic passing football, goals every game and a play off final. Best football Watford have played for a very long time. Yes, we have a difficult period but we still have great capability and therefore potential, I still believe we will finish this season strongly, playing good attractive football.
It's funny how people say the club is losing its identity when we are losing games. Were people moaning about this 12 months ago when we were cruising up the league?
What has a club's identity got to do with a result or indeed a run of results? Absolutely nothing IMO.

People stating that our young players will not get a chance. WRONG. Our young players WILL get a chance but, nowadays, only if they are good enough i.e Bond, Murray, Hoban. The bar has now been raised, that's all. For years our young players did get more of a chance but only because we had a weak squad and indeed these young players were only lower league / championship level players at best. (I'm talking Whichelow, Massey, Mingoia, Hodson, Thompson, Robinson etc etc the list goes on)

Under Dyche, the youngsters were also frozen out by new signings but these were the likes of Yeates, Iwelumo and Garner who were brought in but no one complained about our loss of identity then. Now they are frozen out by players of the calibre of Abdi, Anya and FF. Quality footballers who cost not a penny..... and Yet people say the Pozzos have spent no money???

I did not go to the game yesterday but read reports of a dogged display and of gutsy determination from our 'team of foreigners'. Maybe the foreign players are not renowned for such a style of play as it is not their natural game, it is not in their culture and not what they have grown up with but as yesterday shows, it does not mean that such characteristics cannot be instilled in such players. If yesterday is anything to go by Sannino is doing just that.

The Pozzos are learning and no doubt learning that you do need an element of physicality in this league rather than just flair. To cast their purchase of a club as an experiment is sensationalism and worthy only of inclusion in literary tripe such as Daily mail.

The prem teams don't play their acadamy players if they're not good enough, so why should any other team in the football league. There seems to be a perception that it's acceptable for the Prem teams to field a team of foreigners but that League clubs now need to pick up the mantel with regards to developing home talent. Yet the big teams then get out their cheque books and snap up the best homegrown league talent, only for them to warm the bench whilst the foreign superstars take centre stage. Hardly conducive to developing home grown talent is it?

Let's not start blaming clubs like Watford for the way things are going. We are just trying to keep up with the rest and keep our heads above water. The Pozzos have seemingly found a sustainable way of mounting a challenge for the premiership without risking the financial future of our club. It may be different, and not what we are used to but those that stand still are those that get left behind and forgotten about.

We can continue to keep playing our academy players if people want, but we will end up in the lower leagues with small attendances and no doubt with a more local feel about the club - if that's what people want then fair enough that's their opinion but it's certainly not what 99% of the supporters of the club want.

The whole world, let alone the footballing world is a different place to what it was in the days of EJ and Taylor. The 'DNA' of life as we know it has changed, so it's not surprising that Watford FC has changed a bit.

Nostalgia is great, but it's don't what it used to be!
[quote][p][bold]watford4ever[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]steve675391[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Feff[/bold] wrote: I have been a Watford supporter for over 40 years and I have to agree that the team has lost its identity. It is no longer a friendly club. The happy days of Elton John's Taylor made army have long gone. We are no longer a local team with decent supporters. The atmosphere has changed and, for me, not for the better. Last season we played exciting football. We are not even doing that now. It's all very sad.[/p][/quote]What a load of twaddle. I've been a fan for over 50 years now (nearly 60, in fact) and am very excited with the Pozzo regime, and what they are trying to achieve. I am convinced we have exciting times to look forward to in the coming years. Have always and will always love the horns.[/p][/quote]Another supporter with over 55 years on the terraces, and I totally agree. After the previous regimes in charge the Pozzo's are a breath of fresh air. They understand football, are investing in the club, sure they want to get to Premiership to make money, no problem let us enjoy the ride. How quickly some people forget last season, fantastic passing football, goals every game and a play off final. Best football Watford have played for a very long time. Yes, we have a difficult period but we still have great capability and therefore potential, I still believe we will finish this season strongly, playing good attractive football.[/p][/quote]It's funny how people say the club is losing its identity when we are losing games. Were people moaning about this 12 months ago when we were cruising up the league? What has a club's identity got to do with a result or indeed a run of results? Absolutely nothing IMO. People stating that our young players will not get a chance. WRONG. Our young players WILL get a chance but, nowadays, only if they are good enough i.e Bond, Murray, Hoban. The bar has now been raised, that's all. For years our young players did get more of a chance but only because we had a weak squad and indeed these young players were only lower league / championship level players at best. (I'm talking Whichelow, Massey, Mingoia, Hodson, Thompson, Robinson etc etc the list goes on) Under Dyche, the youngsters were also frozen out by new signings but these were the likes of Yeates, Iwelumo and Garner who were brought in but no one complained about our loss of identity then. Now they are frozen out by players of the calibre of Abdi, Anya and FF. Quality footballers who cost not a penny..... and Yet people say the Pozzos have spent no money??? I did not go to the game yesterday but read reports of a dogged display and of gutsy determination from our 'team of foreigners'. Maybe the foreign players are not renowned for such a style of play as it is not their natural game, it is not in their culture and not what they have grown up with but as yesterday shows, it does not mean that such characteristics cannot be instilled in such players. If yesterday is anything to go by Sannino is doing just that. The Pozzos are learning and no doubt learning that you do need an element of physicality in this league rather than just flair. To cast their purchase of a club as an experiment is sensationalism and worthy only of inclusion in literary tripe such as Daily mail. The prem teams don't play their acadamy players if they're not good enough, so why should any other team in the football league. There seems to be a perception that it's acceptable for the Prem teams to field a team of foreigners but that League clubs now need to pick up the mantel with regards to developing home talent. Yet the big teams then get out their cheque books and snap up the best homegrown league talent, only for them to warm the bench whilst the foreign superstars take centre stage. Hardly conducive to developing home grown talent is it? Let's not start blaming clubs like Watford for the way things are going. We are just trying to keep up with the rest and keep our heads above water. The Pozzos have seemingly found a sustainable way of mounting a challenge for the premiership without risking the financial future of our club. It may be different, and not what we are used to but those that stand still are those that get left behind and forgotten about. We can continue to keep playing our academy players if people want, but we will end up in the lower leagues with small attendances and no doubt with a more local feel about the club - if that's what people want then fair enough that's their opinion but it's certainly not what 99% of the supporters of the club want. The whole world, let alone the footballing world is a different place to what it was in the days of EJ and Taylor. The 'DNA' of life as we know it has changed, so it's not surprising that Watford FC has changed a bit. Nostalgia is great, but it's don't what it used to be! Stoney77
  • Score: 19

10:33am Sun 19 Jan 14

bristol hornet says...

poole-horn wrote:
VOReason wrote:
Embarrassed to be a watford fan today. In fighting, abuse if stewards and police plus letting off flares ... Refereeing may have been awful but still no justification for what followed ... I ll think twice about future family away days!!!
Calm down, I started the match in the south stand (Bournemouth stand) but after speaking to stewards was allowed into Watford section. Obviously I had no seat as Watford end was sold out so I stood at the front. I complained to the police and stewards on several occasions that they were obstructing the view of the pitch for at least 3 rows of fans.
I was told by the police officer that Watford fans had been the least well behaved of any visiting supporters this season !!!
We weren't badly behaved, just infuriated by inadequate officials.
The police have very short memories then, for Millwall fans threw coins and rubble at Grabban (ex-Millwall) for celebrating his goal with gestures right in front of them, and nearly caused a riot!

Watford fans showed a lot of passion and great noise yesterday, but the "incidents" occurred following the terrible penalty decisions and incorrect sending off!

These sort of decisions do make the blood boil, and for some they go into excess! There was no flare until this pen. Not condoning the subsequent actions, but yesterday the fans gave great support, which even Beppe acknowledged. Normally our fans are quite placid, and sometimes far too quiet and apathetic at the Vic.
[quote][p][bold]poole-horn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VOReason[/bold] wrote: Embarrassed to be a watford fan today. In fighting, abuse if stewards and police plus letting off flares ... Refereeing may have been awful but still no justification for what followed ... I ll think twice about future family away days!!![/p][/quote]Calm down, I started the match in the south stand (Bournemouth stand) but after speaking to stewards was allowed into Watford section. Obviously I had no seat as Watford end was sold out so I stood at the front. I complained to the police and stewards on several occasions that they were obstructing the view of the pitch for at least 3 rows of fans. I was told by the police officer that Watford fans had been the least well behaved of any visiting supporters this season !!! We weren't badly behaved, just infuriated by inadequate officials.[/p][/quote]The police have very short memories then, for Millwall fans threw coins and rubble at Grabban (ex-Millwall) for celebrating his goal with gestures right in front of them, and nearly caused a riot! Watford fans showed a lot of passion and great noise yesterday, but the "incidents" occurred following the terrible penalty decisions and incorrect sending off! These sort of decisions do make the blood boil, and for some they go into excess! There was no flare until this pen. Not condoning the subsequent actions, but yesterday the fans gave great support, which even Beppe acknowledged. Normally our fans are quite placid, and sometimes far too quiet and apathetic at the Vic. bristol hornet
  • Score: 9

11:06am Sun 19 Jan 14

watford4ever says...

Stoney77 wrote:
watford4ever wrote:
steve675391 wrote:
Feff wrote:
I have been a Watford supporter for over 40 years and I have to agree that the team has lost its identity. It is no longer a friendly club. The happy days of Elton John's Taylor made army have long gone. We are no longer a local team with decent supporters. The atmosphere has changed and, for me, not for the better. Last season we played exciting football. We are not even doing that now. It's all very sad.
What a load of twaddle. I've been a fan for over 50 years now (nearly 60, in fact) and am very excited with the Pozzo regime, and what they are trying to achieve.
I am convinced we have exciting times to look forward to in the coming years.
Have always and will always love the horns.
Another supporter with over 55 years on the terraces, and I totally agree. After the previous regimes in charge the Pozzo's are a breath of fresh air. They understand football, are investing in the club, sure they want to get to Premiership to make money, no problem let us enjoy the ride.
How quickly some people forget last season, fantastic passing football, goals every game and a play off final. Best football Watford have played for a very long time. Yes, we have a difficult period but we still have great capability and therefore potential, I still believe we will finish this season strongly, playing good attractive football.
It's funny how people say the club is losing its identity when we are losing games. Were people moaning about this 12 months ago when we were cruising up the league?
What has a club's identity got to do with a result or indeed a run of results? Absolutely nothing IMO.

People stating that our young players will not get a chance. WRONG. Our young players WILL get a chance but, nowadays, only if they are good enough i.e Bond, Murray, Hoban. The bar has now been raised, that's all. For years our young players did get more of a chance but only because we had a weak squad and indeed these young players were only lower league / championship level players at best. (I'm talking Whichelow, Massey, Mingoia, Hodson, Thompson, Robinson etc etc the list goes on)

Under Dyche, the youngsters were also frozen out by new signings but these were the likes of Yeates, Iwelumo and Garner who were brought in but no one complained about our loss of identity then. Now they are frozen out by players of the calibre of Abdi, Anya and FF. Quality footballers who cost not a penny..... and Yet people say the Pozzos have spent no money???

I did not go to the game yesterday but read reports of a dogged display and of gutsy determination from our 'team of foreigners'. Maybe the foreign players are not renowned for such a style of play as it is not their natural game, it is not in their culture and not what they have grown up with but as yesterday shows, it does not mean that such characteristics cannot be instilled in such players. If yesterday is anything to go by Sannino is doing just that.

The Pozzos are learning and no doubt learning that you do need an element of physicality in this league rather than just flair. To cast their purchase of a club as an experiment is sensationalism and worthy only of inclusion in literary tripe such as Daily mail.

The prem teams don't play their acadamy players if they're not good enough, so why should any other team in the football league. There seems to be a perception that it's acceptable for the Prem teams to field a team of foreigners but that League clubs now need to pick up the mantel with regards to developing home talent. Yet the big teams then get out their cheque books and snap up the best homegrown league talent, only for them to warm the bench whilst the foreign superstars take centre stage. Hardly conducive to developing home grown talent is it?

Let's not start blaming clubs like Watford for the way things are going. We are just trying to keep up with the rest and keep our heads above water. The Pozzos have seemingly found a sustainable way of mounting a challenge for the premiership without risking the financial future of our club. It may be different, and not what we are used to but those that stand still are those that get left behind and forgotten about.

We can continue to keep playing our academy players if people want, but we will end up in the lower leagues with small attendances and no doubt with a more local feel about the club - if that's what people want then fair enough that's their opinion but it's certainly not what 99% of the supporters of the club want.

The whole world, let alone the footballing world is a different place to what it was in the days of EJ and Taylor. The 'DNA' of life as we know it has changed, so it's not surprising that Watford FC has changed a bit.

Nostalgia is great, but it's don't what it used to be!
Great contribution. For those of us old enough to have had the privilege of watching Cliff Holton, Tommy Harmer, Freddie Bunce, John Barnes and of course are one and only Luther, we now have a squad of players maybe not with their personalities but certainly with their skill and talent,

It is a new era for Watford under the Pozzo's but for me a very positive one, football and players that makes me look forward to every game. Everyone is still learning about how to win in the Championship, have faith all will come good.
[quote][p][bold]Stoney77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]watford4ever[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]steve675391[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Feff[/bold] wrote: I have been a Watford supporter for over 40 years and I have to agree that the team has lost its identity. It is no longer a friendly club. The happy days of Elton John's Taylor made army have long gone. We are no longer a local team with decent supporters. The atmosphere has changed and, for me, not for the better. Last season we played exciting football. We are not even doing that now. It's all very sad.[/p][/quote]What a load of twaddle. I've been a fan for over 50 years now (nearly 60, in fact) and am very excited with the Pozzo regime, and what they are trying to achieve. I am convinced we have exciting times to look forward to in the coming years. Have always and will always love the horns.[/p][/quote]Another supporter with over 55 years on the terraces, and I totally agree. After the previous regimes in charge the Pozzo's are a breath of fresh air. They understand football, are investing in the club, sure they want to get to Premiership to make money, no problem let us enjoy the ride. How quickly some people forget last season, fantastic passing football, goals every game and a play off final. Best football Watford have played for a very long time. Yes, we have a difficult period but we still have great capability and therefore potential, I still believe we will finish this season strongly, playing good attractive football.[/p][/quote]It's funny how people say the club is losing its identity when we are losing games. Were people moaning about this 12 months ago when we were cruising up the league? What has a club's identity got to do with a result or indeed a run of results? Absolutely nothing IMO. People stating that our young players will not get a chance. WRONG. Our young players WILL get a chance but, nowadays, only if they are good enough i.e Bond, Murray, Hoban. The bar has now been raised, that's all. For years our young players did get more of a chance but only because we had a weak squad and indeed these young players were only lower league / championship level players at best. (I'm talking Whichelow, Massey, Mingoia, Hodson, Thompson, Robinson etc etc the list goes on) Under Dyche, the youngsters were also frozen out by new signings but these were the likes of Yeates, Iwelumo and Garner who were brought in but no one complained about our loss of identity then. Now they are frozen out by players of the calibre of Abdi, Anya and FF. Quality footballers who cost not a penny..... and Yet people say the Pozzos have spent no money??? I did not go to the game yesterday but read reports of a dogged display and of gutsy determination from our 'team of foreigners'. Maybe the foreign players are not renowned for such a style of play as it is not their natural game, it is not in their culture and not what they have grown up with but as yesterday shows, it does not mean that such characteristics cannot be instilled in such players. If yesterday is anything to go by Sannino is doing just that. The Pozzos are learning and no doubt learning that you do need an element of physicality in this league rather than just flair. To cast their purchase of a club as an experiment is sensationalism and worthy only of inclusion in literary tripe such as Daily mail. The prem teams don't play their acadamy players if they're not good enough, so why should any other team in the football league. There seems to be a perception that it's acceptable for the Prem teams to field a team of foreigners but that League clubs now need to pick up the mantel with regards to developing home talent. Yet the big teams then get out their cheque books and snap up the best homegrown league talent, only for them to warm the bench whilst the foreign superstars take centre stage. Hardly conducive to developing home grown talent is it? Let's not start blaming clubs like Watford for the way things are going. We are just trying to keep up with the rest and keep our heads above water. The Pozzos have seemingly found a sustainable way of mounting a challenge for the premiership without risking the financial future of our club. It may be different, and not what we are used to but those that stand still are those that get left behind and forgotten about. We can continue to keep playing our academy players if people want, but we will end up in the lower leagues with small attendances and no doubt with a more local feel about the club - if that's what people want then fair enough that's their opinion but it's certainly not what 99% of the supporters of the club want. The whole world, let alone the footballing world is a different place to what it was in the days of EJ and Taylor. The 'DNA' of life as we know it has changed, so it's not surprising that Watford FC has changed a bit. Nostalgia is great, but it's don't what it used to be![/p][/quote]Great contribution. For those of us old enough to have had the privilege of watching Cliff Holton, Tommy Harmer, Freddie Bunce, John Barnes and of course are one and only Luther, we now have a squad of players maybe not with their personalities but certainly with their skill and talent, It is a new era for Watford under the Pozzo's but for me a very positive one, football and players that makes me look forward to every game. Everyone is still learning about how to win in the Championship, have faith all will come good. watford4ever
  • Score: 7

11:21am Sun 19 Jan 14

soulfulhornet says...

Stoney77 wrote:
watford4ever wrote:
steve675391 wrote:
Feff wrote:
I have been a Watford supporter for over 40 years and I have to agree that the team has lost its identity. It is no longer a friendly club. The happy days of Elton John's Taylor made army have long gone. We are no longer a local team with decent supporters. The atmosphere has changed and, for me, not for the better. Last season we played exciting football. We are not even doing that now. It's all very sad.
What a load of twaddle. I've been a fan for over 50 years now (nearly 60, in fact) and am very excited with the Pozzo regime, and what they are trying to achieve.
I am convinced we have exciting times to look forward to in the coming years.
Have always and will always love the horns.
Another supporter with over 55 years on the terraces, and I totally agree. After the previous regimes in charge the Pozzo's are a breath of fresh air. They understand football, are investing in the club, sure they want to get to Premiership to make money, no problem let us enjoy the ride.
How quickly some people forget last season, fantastic passing football, goals every game and a play off final. Best football Watford have played for a very long time. Yes, we have a difficult period but we still have great capability and therefore potential, I still believe we will finish this season strongly, playing good attractive football.
It's funny how people say the club is losing its identity when we are losing games. Were people moaning about this 12 months ago when we were cruising up the league?
What has a club's identity got to do with a result or indeed a run of results? Absolutely nothing IMO.

People stating that our young players will not get a chance. WRONG. Our young players WILL get a chance but, nowadays, only if they are good enough i.e Bond, Murray, Hoban. The bar has now been raised, that's all. For years our young players did get more of a chance but only because we had a weak squad and indeed these young players were only lower league / championship level players at best. (I'm talking Whichelow, Massey, Mingoia, Hodson, Thompson, Robinson etc etc the list goes on)

Under Dyche, the youngsters were also frozen out by new signings but these were the likes of Yeates, Iwelumo and Garner who were brought in but no one complained about our loss of identity then. Now they are frozen out by players of the calibre of Abdi, Anya and FF. Quality footballers who cost not a penny..... and Yet people say the Pozzos have spent no money???

I did not go to the game yesterday but read reports of a dogged display and of gutsy determination from our 'team of foreigners'. Maybe the foreign players are not renowned for such a style of play as it is not their natural game, it is not in their culture and not what they have grown up with but as yesterday shows, it does not mean that such characteristics cannot be instilled in such players. If yesterday is anything to go by Sannino is doing just that.

The Pozzos are learning and no doubt learning that you do need an element of physicality in this league rather than just flair. To cast their purchase of a club as an experiment is sensationalism and worthy only of inclusion in literary tripe such as Daily mail.

The prem teams don't play their acadamy players if they're not good enough, so why should any other team in the football league. There seems to be a perception that it's acceptable for the Prem teams to field a team of foreigners but that League clubs now need to pick up the mantel with regards to developing home talent. Yet the big teams then get out their cheque books and snap up the best homegrown league talent, only for them to warm the bench whilst the foreign superstars take centre stage. Hardly conducive to developing home grown talent is it?

Let's not start blaming clubs like Watford for the way things are going. We are just trying to keep up with the rest and keep our heads above water. The Pozzos have seemingly found a sustainable way of mounting a challenge for the premiership without risking the financial future of our club. It may be different, and not what we are used to but those that stand still are those that get left behind and forgotten about.

We can continue to keep playing our academy players if people want, but we will end up in the lower leagues with small attendances and no doubt with a more local feel about the club - if that's what people want then fair enough that's their opinion but it's certainly not what 99% of the supporters of the club want.

The whole world, let alone the footballing world is a different place to what it was in the days of EJ and Taylor. The 'DNA' of life as we know it has changed, so it's not surprising that Watford FC has changed a bit.

Nostalgia is great, but it's don't what it used to be!
Stoney agree 100% with your balanced post. Yesterday, our players Almunia and Pudil in particular dug in and got a result when the odds and lets face it the rub of the green were against us.

We lost Iriney and McGugan to injuries, meaning that an understandably tentative Abdi had to play in the unfamiliar holding role. Abdi, Hall and the returning Faraoni are not 100% match fit and Battochio picked up a knock just before the first penalty.

The spirit shown, now is fantastic, not sure we would have held on before. We didn't let heads drop and mope around feeling sorry about the events that changed the complexion of the match. This point feels psychologically more like a win.
[quote][p][bold]Stoney77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]watford4ever[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]steve675391[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Feff[/bold] wrote: I have been a Watford supporter for over 40 years and I have to agree that the team has lost its identity. It is no longer a friendly club. The happy days of Elton John's Taylor made army have long gone. We are no longer a local team with decent supporters. The atmosphere has changed and, for me, not for the better. Last season we played exciting football. We are not even doing that now. It's all very sad.[/p][/quote]What a load of twaddle. I've been a fan for over 50 years now (nearly 60, in fact) and am very excited with the Pozzo regime, and what they are trying to achieve. I am convinced we have exciting times to look forward to in the coming years. Have always and will always love the horns.[/p][/quote]Another supporter with over 55 years on the terraces, and I totally agree. After the previous regimes in charge the Pozzo's are a breath of fresh air. They understand football, are investing in the club, sure they want to get to Premiership to make money, no problem let us enjoy the ride. How quickly some people forget last season, fantastic passing football, goals every game and a play off final. Best football Watford have played for a very long time. Yes, we have a difficult period but we still have great capability and therefore potential, I still believe we will finish this season strongly, playing good attractive football.[/p][/quote]It's funny how people say the club is losing its identity when we are losing games. Were people moaning about this 12 months ago when we were cruising up the league? What has a club's identity got to do with a result or indeed a run of results? Absolutely nothing IMO. People stating that our young players will not get a chance. WRONG. Our young players WILL get a chance but, nowadays, only if they are good enough i.e Bond, Murray, Hoban. The bar has now been raised, that's all. For years our young players did get more of a chance but only because we had a weak squad and indeed these young players were only lower league / championship level players at best. (I'm talking Whichelow, Massey, Mingoia, Hodson, Thompson, Robinson etc etc the list goes on) Under Dyche, the youngsters were also frozen out by new signings but these were the likes of Yeates, Iwelumo and Garner who were brought in but no one complained about our loss of identity then. Now they are frozen out by players of the calibre of Abdi, Anya and FF. Quality footballers who cost not a penny..... and Yet people say the Pozzos have spent no money??? I did not go to the game yesterday but read reports of a dogged display and of gutsy determination from our 'team of foreigners'. Maybe the foreign players are not renowned for such a style of play as it is not their natural game, it is not in their culture and not what they have grown up with but as yesterday shows, it does not mean that such characteristics cannot be instilled in such players. If yesterday is anything to go by Sannino is doing just that. The Pozzos are learning and no doubt learning that you do need an element of physicality in this league rather than just flair. To cast their purchase of a club as an experiment is sensationalism and worthy only of inclusion in literary tripe such as Daily mail. The prem teams don't play their acadamy players if they're not good enough, so why should any other team in the football league. There seems to be a perception that it's acceptable for the Prem teams to field a team of foreigners but that League clubs now need to pick up the mantel with regards to developing home talent. Yet the big teams then get out their cheque books and snap up the best homegrown league talent, only for them to warm the bench whilst the foreign superstars take centre stage. Hardly conducive to developing home grown talent is it? Let's not start blaming clubs like Watford for the way things are going. We are just trying to keep up with the rest and keep our heads above water. The Pozzos have seemingly found a sustainable way of mounting a challenge for the premiership without risking the financial future of our club. It may be different, and not what we are used to but those that stand still are those that get left behind and forgotten about. We can continue to keep playing our academy players if people want, but we will end up in the lower leagues with small attendances and no doubt with a more local feel about the club - if that's what people want then fair enough that's their opinion but it's certainly not what 99% of the supporters of the club want. The whole world, let alone the footballing world is a different place to what it was in the days of EJ and Taylor. The 'DNA' of life as we know it has changed, so it's not surprising that Watford FC has changed a bit. Nostalgia is great, but it's don't what it used to be![/p][/quote]Stoney agree 100% with your balanced post. Yesterday, our players Almunia and Pudil in particular dug in and got a result when the odds and lets face it the rub of the green were against us. We lost Iriney and McGugan to injuries, meaning that an understandably tentative Abdi had to play in the unfamiliar holding role. Abdi, Hall and the returning Faraoni are not 100% match fit and Battochio picked up a knock just before the first penalty. The spirit shown, now is fantastic, not sure we would have held on before. We didn't let heads drop and mope around feeling sorry about the events that changed the complexion of the match. This point feels psychologically more like a win. soulfulhornet
  • Score: 13

11:23am Sun 19 Jan 14

MainStandShambles says...

Great post Stoney 77. I won't re-post your comments for space reasons but you really have summed all the sensible points regarding the football club we ALL love so much.

Like some of the previous posters on this thread i have followed the 'Orns for many years, since 1964 in my case and the ups and downs of our sheer existence would fill a book in themselves so count me in the 'grateful for the Pozzos' camp. Unfortunately in today's society of 'instant success' some fans get very worked-up with every single change of fortune.

If we do our job in being true supporters we should trust the owners, players and staff to do theirs.
Great post Stoney 77. I won't re-post your comments for space reasons but you really have summed all the sensible points regarding the football club we ALL love so much. Like some of the previous posters on this thread i have followed the 'Orns for many years, since 1964 in my case and the ups and downs of our sheer existence would fill a book in themselves so count me in the 'grateful for the Pozzos' camp. Unfortunately in today's society of 'instant success' some fans get very worked-up with every single change of fortune. If we do our job in being true supporters we should trust the owners, players and staff to do theirs. MainStandShambles
  • Score: 11

11:26am Sun 19 Jan 14

Dr.Hackenbush says...

Stoney77 wrote:
watford4ever wrote:
steve675391 wrote:
Feff wrote:
I have been a Watford supporter for over 40 years and I have to agree that the team has lost its identity. It is no longer a friendly club. The happy days of Elton John's Taylor made army have long gone. We are no longer a local team with decent supporters. The atmosphere has changed and, for me, not for the better. Last season we played exciting football. We are not even doing that now. It's all very sad.
What a load of twaddle. I've been a fan for over 50 years now (nearly 60, in fact) and am very excited with the Pozzo regime, and what they are trying to achieve.
I am convinced we have exciting times to look forward to in the coming years.
Have always and will always love the horns.
Another supporter with over 55 years on the terraces, and I totally agree. After the previous regimes in charge the Pozzo's are a breath of fresh air. They understand football, are investing in the club, sure they want to get to Premiership to make money, no problem let us enjoy the ride.
How quickly some people forget last season, fantastic passing football, goals every game and a play off final. Best football Watford have played for a very long time. Yes, we have a difficult period but we still have great capability and therefore potential, I still believe we will finish this season strongly, playing good attractive football.
It's funny how people say the club is losing its identity when we are losing games. Were people moaning about this 12 months ago when we were cruising up the league?
What has a club's identity got to do with a result or indeed a run of results? Absolutely nothing IMO.

People stating that our young players will not get a chance. WRONG. Our young players WILL get a chance but, nowadays, only if they are good enough i.e Bond, Murray, Hoban. The bar has now been raised, that's all. For years our young players did get more of a chance but only because we had a weak squad and indeed these young players were only lower league / championship level players at best. (I'm talking Whichelow, Massey, Mingoia, Hodson, Thompson, Robinson etc etc the list goes on)

Under Dyche, the youngsters were also frozen out by new signings but these were the likes of Yeates, Iwelumo and Garner who were brought in but no one complained about our loss of identity then. Now they are frozen out by players of the calibre of Abdi, Anya and FF. Quality footballers who cost not a penny..... and Yet people say the Pozzos have spent no money???

I did not go to the game yesterday but read reports of a dogged display and of gutsy determination from our 'team of foreigners'. Maybe the foreign players are not renowned for such a style of play as it is not their natural game, it is not in their culture and not what they have grown up with but as yesterday shows, it does not mean that such characteristics cannot be instilled in such players. If yesterday is anything to go by Sannino is doing just that.

The Pozzos are learning and no doubt learning that you do need an element of physicality in this league rather than just flair. To cast their purchase of a club as an experiment is sensationalism and worthy only of inclusion in literary tripe such as Daily mail.

The prem teams don't play their acadamy players if they're not good enough, so why should any other team in the football league. There seems to be a perception that it's acceptable for the Prem teams to field a team of foreigners but that League clubs now need to pick up the mantel with regards to developing home talent. Yet the big teams then get out their cheque books and snap up the best homegrown league talent, only for them to warm the bench whilst the foreign superstars take centre stage. Hardly conducive to developing home grown talent is it?

Let's not start blaming clubs like Watford for the way things are going. We are just trying to keep up with the rest and keep our heads above water. The Pozzos have seemingly found a sustainable way of mounting a challenge for the premiership without risking the financial future of our club. It may be different, and not what we are used to but those that stand still are those that get left behind and forgotten about.

We can continue to keep playing our academy players if people want, but we will end up in the lower leagues with small attendances and no doubt with a more local feel about the club - if that's what people want then fair enough that's their opinion but it's certainly not what 99% of the supporters of the club want.

The whole world, let alone the footballing world is a different place to what it was in the days of EJ and Taylor. The 'DNA' of life as we know it has changed, so it's not surprising that Watford FC has changed a bit.

Nostalgia is great, but it's don't what it used to be!
Terrific post, great to read an intelligent and thoughtful comment - keep posting those and maybe a few more reactionary voices will disappear from here in shame
[quote][p][bold]Stoney77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]watford4ever[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]steve675391[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Feff[/bold] wrote: I have been a Watford supporter for over 40 years and I have to agree that the team has lost its identity. It is no longer a friendly club. The happy days of Elton John's Taylor made army have long gone. We are no longer a local team with decent supporters. The atmosphere has changed and, for me, not for the better. Last season we played exciting football. We are not even doing that now. It's all very sad.[/p][/quote]What a load of twaddle. I've been a fan for over 50 years now (nearly 60, in fact) and am very excited with the Pozzo regime, and what they are trying to achieve. I am convinced we have exciting times to look forward to in the coming years. Have always and will always love the horns.[/p][/quote]Another supporter with over 55 years on the terraces, and I totally agree. After the previous regimes in charge the Pozzo's are a breath of fresh air. They understand football, are investing in the club, sure they want to get to Premiership to make money, no problem let us enjoy the ride. How quickly some people forget last season, fantastic passing football, goals every game and a play off final. Best football Watford have played for a very long time. Yes, we have a difficult period but we still have great capability and therefore potential, I still believe we will finish this season strongly, playing good attractive football.[/p][/quote]It's funny how people say the club is losing its identity when we are losing games. Were people moaning about this 12 months ago when we were cruising up the league? What has a club's identity got to do with a result or indeed a run of results? Absolutely nothing IMO. People stating that our young players will not get a chance. WRONG. Our young players WILL get a chance but, nowadays, only if they are good enough i.e Bond, Murray, Hoban. The bar has now been raised, that's all. For years our young players did get more of a chance but only because we had a weak squad and indeed these young players were only lower league / championship level players at best. (I'm talking Whichelow, Massey, Mingoia, Hodson, Thompson, Robinson etc etc the list goes on) Under Dyche, the youngsters were also frozen out by new signings but these were the likes of Yeates, Iwelumo and Garner who were brought in but no one complained about our loss of identity then. Now they are frozen out by players of the calibre of Abdi, Anya and FF. Quality footballers who cost not a penny..... and Yet people say the Pozzos have spent no money??? I did not go to the game yesterday but read reports of a dogged display and of gutsy determination from our 'team of foreigners'. Maybe the foreign players are not renowned for such a style of play as it is not their natural game, it is not in their culture and not what they have grown up with but as yesterday shows, it does not mean that such characteristics cannot be instilled in such players. If yesterday is anything to go by Sannino is doing just that. The Pozzos are learning and no doubt learning that you do need an element of physicality in this league rather than just flair. To cast their purchase of a club as an experiment is sensationalism and worthy only of inclusion in literary tripe such as Daily mail. The prem teams don't play their acadamy players if they're not good enough, so why should any other team in the football league. There seems to be a perception that it's acceptable for the Prem teams to field a team of foreigners but that League clubs now need to pick up the mantel with regards to developing home talent. Yet the big teams then get out their cheque books and snap up the best homegrown league talent, only for them to warm the bench whilst the foreign superstars take centre stage. Hardly conducive to developing home grown talent is it? Let's not start blaming clubs like Watford for the way things are going. We are just trying to keep up with the rest and keep our heads above water. The Pozzos have seemingly found a sustainable way of mounting a challenge for the premiership without risking the financial future of our club. It may be different, and not what we are used to but those that stand still are those that get left behind and forgotten about. We can continue to keep playing our academy players if people want, but we will end up in the lower leagues with small attendances and no doubt with a more local feel about the club - if that's what people want then fair enough that's their opinion but it's certainly not what 99% of the supporters of the club want. The whole world, let alone the footballing world is a different place to what it was in the days of EJ and Taylor. The 'DNA' of life as we know it has changed, so it's not surprising that Watford FC has changed a bit. Nostalgia is great, but it's don't what it used to be![/p][/quote]Terrific post, great to read an intelligent and thoughtful comment - keep posting those and maybe a few more reactionary voices will disappear from here in shame Dr.Hackenbush
  • Score: 12

11:30am Sun 19 Jan 14

MainStandShambles says...

matey_from_brighton wrote:
The Pozzos have been here for a season and a half and given us one of the best seasons ever in our history in that time. They are building the new stand that has been promised since the Simpson era(remember the £1m for the EJ concert ring fenced money that disappeared whilst Simpson and Ashton paid themselves 500K+ salaries). Whilst it was great to see lots of youngsters coming through previously it was equally disappointing to then see them transferred out as soon as a "bigger" club came in with an underpriced bid that they knew we would take as we needed the money.
The heart and soul of the club is the fanbase and always will be. If you want us to go down the road of trying to buy our way to success take a look at Portsmouth, Wolves, Bolton etc. Football has changed, forget the old model that will no longer work, the Championship now is full of the best of the UK players that 20 years ago would have been playing in the Premiership/old Div 1 - we could not compete at this level solely via our youth set up forever. Move on or go non-league if you hanker after the old days that much.(theres always that lot up the M1 although their facilities are not really up to Conference standards)
Another great post that is well thought out and well reasoned. Well done matey.

My previous post's comments to Stoney 77 could apply here aswell.
[quote][p][bold]matey_from_brighton[/bold] wrote: The Pozzos have been here for a season and a half and given us one of the best seasons ever in our history in that time. They are building the new stand that has been promised since the Simpson era(remember the £1m for the EJ concert ring fenced money that disappeared whilst Simpson and Ashton paid themselves 500K+ salaries). Whilst it was great to see lots of youngsters coming through previously it was equally disappointing to then see them transferred out as soon as a "bigger" club came in with an underpriced bid that they knew we would take as we needed the money. The heart and soul of the club is the fanbase and always will be. If you want us to go down the road of trying to buy our way to success take a look at Portsmouth, Wolves, Bolton etc. Football has changed, forget the old model that will no longer work, the Championship now is full of the best of the UK players that 20 years ago would have been playing in the Premiership/old Div 1 - we could not compete at this level solely via our youth set up forever. Move on or go non-league if you hanker after the old days that much.(theres always that lot up the M1 although their facilities are not really up to Conference standards)[/p][/quote]Another great post that is well thought out and well reasoned. Well done matey. My previous post's comments to Stoney 77 could apply here aswell. MainStandShambles
  • Score: 5

11:40am Sun 19 Jan 14

Goldenboy1960 says...

bristol hornet wrote:
poole-horn wrote:
VOReason wrote:
Embarrassed to be a watford fan today. In fighting, abuse if stewards and police plus letting off flares ... Refereeing may have been awful but still no justification for what followed ... I ll think twice about future family away days!!!
Calm down, I started the match in the south stand (Bournemouth stand) but after speaking to stewards was allowed into Watford section. Obviously I had no seat as Watford end was sold out so I stood at the front. I complained to the police and stewards on several occasions that they were obstructing the view of the pitch for at least 3 rows of fans.
I was told by the police officer that Watford fans had been the least well behaved of any visiting supporters this season !!!
We weren't badly behaved, just infuriated by inadequate officials.
The police have very short memories then, for Millwall fans threw coins and rubble at Grabban (ex-Millwall) for celebrating his goal with gestures right in front of them, and nearly caused a riot!

Watford fans showed a lot of passion and great noise yesterday, but the "incidents" occurred following the terrible penalty decisions and incorrect sending off!

These sort of decisions do make the blood boil, and for some they go into excess! There was no flare until this pen. Not condoning the subsequent actions, but yesterday the fans gave great support, which even Beppe acknowledged. Normally our fans are quite placid, and sometimes far too quiet and apathetic at the Vic.
Somebody on here must know who these idiots are with the flares. Please let the club know them so we can get rid of them VERY QUICKLY. Who are these idiots who play with fire and can cause serious damage to someone. They need to be dumped and put away.

Whether or not we agree with the refereeing decisions is not excuse to play with fire and peoples lives.

Please whoever knows them SHOW THEM UP FOR WHO THEY ARE AND QUICKLY
[quote][p][bold]bristol hornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]poole-horn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VOReason[/bold] wrote: Embarrassed to be a watford fan today. In fighting, abuse if stewards and police plus letting off flares ... Refereeing may have been awful but still no justification for what followed ... I ll think twice about future family away days!!![/p][/quote]Calm down, I started the match in the south stand (Bournemouth stand) but after speaking to stewards was allowed into Watford section. Obviously I had no seat as Watford end was sold out so I stood at the front. I complained to the police and stewards on several occasions that they were obstructing the view of the pitch for at least 3 rows of fans. I was told by the police officer that Watford fans had been the least well behaved of any visiting supporters this season !!! We weren't badly behaved, just infuriated by inadequate officials.[/p][/quote]The police have very short memories then, for Millwall fans threw coins and rubble at Grabban (ex-Millwall) for celebrating his goal with gestures right in front of them, and nearly caused a riot! Watford fans showed a lot of passion and great noise yesterday, but the "incidents" occurred following the terrible penalty decisions and incorrect sending off! These sort of decisions do make the blood boil, and for some they go into excess! There was no flare until this pen. Not condoning the subsequent actions, but yesterday the fans gave great support, which even Beppe acknowledged. Normally our fans are quite placid, and sometimes far too quiet and apathetic at the Vic.[/p][/quote]Somebody on here must know who these idiots are with the flares. Please let the club know them so we can get rid of them VERY QUICKLY. Who are these idiots who play with fire and can cause serious damage to someone. They need to be dumped and put away. Whether or not we agree with the refereeing decisions is not excuse to play with fire and peoples lives. Please whoever knows them SHOW THEM UP FOR WHO THEY ARE AND QUICKLY Goldenboy1960
  • Score: 5

12:12pm Sun 19 Jan 14

Goldenboy1960 says...

Dr.Hackenbush wrote:
Stoney77 wrote:
watford4ever wrote:
steve675391 wrote:
Feff wrote:
I have been a Watford supporter for over 40 years and I have to agree that the team has lost its identity. It is no longer a friendly club. The happy days of Elton John's Taylor made army have long gone. We are no longer a local team with decent supporters. The atmosphere has changed and, for me, not for the better. Last season we played exciting football. We are not even doing that now. It's all very sad.
What a load of twaddle. I've been a fan for over 50 years now (nearly 60, in fact) and am very excited with the Pozzo regime, and what they are trying to achieve.
I am convinced we have exciting times to look forward to in the coming years.
Have always and will always love the horns.
Another supporter with over 55 years on the terraces, and I totally agree. After the previous regimes in charge the Pozzo's are a breath of fresh air. They understand football, are investing in the club, sure they want to get to Premiership to make money, no problem let us enjoy the ride.
How quickly some people forget last season, fantastic passing football, goals every game and a play off final. Best football Watford have played for a very long time. Yes, we have a difficult period but we still have great capability and therefore potential, I still believe we will finish this season strongly, playing good attractive football.
It's funny how people say the club is losing its identity when we are losing games. Were people moaning about this 12 months ago when we were cruising up the league?
What has a club's identity got to do with a result or indeed a run of results? Absolutely nothing IMO.

People stating that our young players will not get a chance. WRONG. Our young players WILL get a chance but, nowadays, only if they are good enough i.e Bond, Murray, Hoban. The bar has now been raised, that's all. For years our young players did get more of a chance but only because we had a weak squad and indeed these young players were only lower league / championship level players at best. (I'm talking Whichelow, Massey, Mingoia, Hodson, Thompson, Robinson etc etc the list goes on)

Under Dyche, the youngsters were also frozen out by new signings but these were the likes of Yeates, Iwelumo and Garner who were brought in but no one complained about our loss of identity then. Now they are frozen out by players of the calibre of Abdi, Anya and FF. Quality footballers who cost not a penny..... and Yet people say the Pozzos have spent no money???

I did not go to the game yesterday but read reports of a dogged display and of gutsy determination from our 'team of foreigners'. Maybe the foreign players are not renowned for such a style of play as it is not their natural game, it is not in their culture and not what they have grown up with but as yesterday shows, it does not mean that such characteristics cannot be instilled in such players. If yesterday is anything to go by Sannino is doing just that.

The Pozzos are learning and no doubt learning that you do need an element of physicality in this league rather than just flair. To cast their purchase of a club as an experiment is sensationalism and worthy only of inclusion in literary tripe such as Daily mail.

The prem teams don't play their acadamy players if they're not good enough, so why should any other team in the football league. There seems to be a perception that it's acceptable for the Prem teams to field a team of foreigners but that League clubs now need to pick up the mantel with regards to developing home talent. Yet the big teams then get out their cheque books and snap up the best homegrown league talent, only for them to warm the bench whilst the foreign superstars take centre stage. Hardly conducive to developing home grown talent is it?

Let's not start blaming clubs like Watford for the way things are going. We are just trying to keep up with the rest and keep our heads above water. The Pozzos have seemingly found a sustainable way of mounting a challenge for the premiership without risking the financial future of our club. It may be different, and not what we are used to but those that stand still are those that get left behind and forgotten about.

We can continue to keep playing our academy players if people want, but we will end up in the lower leagues with small attendances and no doubt with a more local feel about the club - if that's what people want then fair enough that's their opinion but it's certainly not what 99% of the supporters of the club want.

The whole world, let alone the footballing world is a different place to what it was in the days of EJ and Taylor. The 'DNA' of life as we know it has changed, so it's not surprising that Watford FC has changed a bit.

Nostalgia is great, but it's don't what it used to be!
Terrific post, great to read an intelligent and thoughtful comment - keep posting those and maybe a few more reactionary voices will disappear from here in shame
Good post but I would like to add this. Players will play if they are good enough not when they are old enough. In that sense nothing has changed at our level. Cally, Kenny, Barnes all played at 17. But they were good enough.

Of course these days in the Premier League the money has become the sole issue. So clubs at the tp level are not blooding youngsters quite so early as they are afraid of there jobs if they lose games. I personally don't agree in general with the loan market. It has led to greed from the rich clubs. Chelsea had 30 players out on loan last season. That is just greed to stop other clubs getting them. Don't ask me how to change it because I don't think you can stop the juggernaut now. But that doesn't make it right.
[quote][p][bold]Dr.Hackenbush[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stoney77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]watford4ever[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]steve675391[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Feff[/bold] wrote: I have been a Watford supporter for over 40 years and I have to agree that the team has lost its identity. It is no longer a friendly club. The happy days of Elton John's Taylor made army have long gone. We are no longer a local team with decent supporters. The atmosphere has changed and, for me, not for the better. Last season we played exciting football. We are not even doing that now. It's all very sad.[/p][/quote]What a load of twaddle. I've been a fan for over 50 years now (nearly 60, in fact) and am very excited with the Pozzo regime, and what they are trying to achieve. I am convinced we have exciting times to look forward to in the coming years. Have always and will always love the horns.[/p][/quote]Another supporter with over 55 years on the terraces, and I totally agree. After the previous regimes in charge the Pozzo's are a breath of fresh air. They understand football, are investing in the club, sure they want to get to Premiership to make money, no problem let us enjoy the ride. How quickly some people forget last season, fantastic passing football, goals every game and a play off final. Best football Watford have played for a very long time. Yes, we have a difficult period but we still have great capability and therefore potential, I still believe we will finish this season strongly, playing good attractive football.[/p][/quote]It's funny how people say the club is losing its identity when we are losing games. Were people moaning about this 12 months ago when we were cruising up the league? What has a club's identity got to do with a result or indeed a run of results? Absolutely nothing IMO. People stating that our young players will not get a chance. WRONG. Our young players WILL get a chance but, nowadays, only if they are good enough i.e Bond, Murray, Hoban. The bar has now been raised, that's all. For years our young players did get more of a chance but only because we had a weak squad and indeed these young players were only lower league / championship level players at best. (I'm talking Whichelow, Massey, Mingoia, Hodson, Thompson, Robinson etc etc the list goes on) Under Dyche, the youngsters were also frozen out by new signings but these were the likes of Yeates, Iwelumo and Garner who were brought in but no one complained about our loss of identity then. Now they are frozen out by players of the calibre of Abdi, Anya and FF. Quality footballers who cost not a penny..... and Yet people say the Pozzos have spent no money??? I did not go to the game yesterday but read reports of a dogged display and of gutsy determination from our 'team of foreigners'. Maybe the foreign players are not renowned for such a style of play as it is not their natural game, it is not in their culture and not what they have grown up with but as yesterday shows, it does not mean that such characteristics cannot be instilled in such players. If yesterday is anything to go by Sannino is doing just that. The Pozzos are learning and no doubt learning that you do need an element of physicality in this league rather than just flair. To cast their purchase of a club as an experiment is sensationalism and worthy only of inclusion in literary tripe such as Daily mail. The prem teams don't play their acadamy players if they're not good enough, so why should any other team in the football league. There seems to be a perception that it's acceptable for the Prem teams to field a team of foreigners but that League clubs now need to pick up the mantel with regards to developing home talent. Yet the big teams then get out their cheque books and snap up the best homegrown league talent, only for them to warm the bench whilst the foreign superstars take centre stage. Hardly conducive to developing home grown talent is it? Let's not start blaming clubs like Watford for the way things are going. We are just trying to keep up with the rest and keep our heads above water. The Pozzos have seemingly found a sustainable way of mounting a challenge for the premiership without risking the financial future of our club. It may be different, and not what we are used to but those that stand still are those that get left behind and forgotten about. We can continue to keep playing our academy players if people want, but we will end up in the lower leagues with small attendances and no doubt with a more local feel about the club - if that's what people want then fair enough that's their opinion but it's certainly not what 99% of the supporters of the club want. The whole world, let alone the footballing world is a different place to what it was in the days of EJ and Taylor. The 'DNA' of life as we know it has changed, so it's not surprising that Watford FC has changed a bit. Nostalgia is great, but it's don't what it used to be![/p][/quote]Terrific post, great to read an intelligent and thoughtful comment - keep posting those and maybe a few more reactionary voices will disappear from here in shame[/p][/quote]Good post but I would like to add this. Players will play if they are good enough not when they are old enough. In that sense nothing has changed at our level. Cally, Kenny, Barnes all played at 17. But they were good enough. Of course these days in the Premier League the money has become the sole issue. So clubs at the tp level are not blooding youngsters quite so early as they are afraid of there jobs if they lose games. I personally don't agree in general with the loan market. It has led to greed from the rich clubs. Chelsea had 30 players out on loan last season. That is just greed to stop other clubs getting them. Don't ask me how to change it because I don't think you can stop the juggernaut now. But that doesn't make it right. Goldenboy1960
  • Score: 4

1:27pm Sun 19 Jan 14

Boosey says...

Bonser, Simpson and Bassini! Shove the old Watford where the sun don't shine.
Also I am not writing us off for the play offs this year, as I am sure Beppe and the players haven't given up on it.
Very proud to be a Hornet and always have and always will be!
Bonser, Simpson and Bassini! Shove the old Watford where the sun don't shine. Also I am not writing us off for the play offs this year, as I am sure Beppe and the players haven't given up on it. Very proud to be a Hornet and always have and always will be! Boosey
  • Score: 10

11:18am Mon 20 Jan 14

gloryhornet4 says...

Sorry guys - been posting on the Bournemouth Echo site.

Tried to wind them up - but I have let you all down as I was getting positive scores, unless you were all coming to my aide.

They don't like being told that Pugh did a swan dive & that Pugh should have shut his mouth and not try to get a fellow pro sent off. The consensus seems to be on the B.E. site that Pugh dived as was the view on Radio Solent which was quite blunt adding he should have been booked.

We must wind up the opposition lads. Without us to dislike they would have no life at all.
Sorry guys - been posting on the Bournemouth Echo site. Tried to wind them up - but I have let you all down as I was getting positive scores, unless you were all coming to my aide. They don't like being told that Pugh did a swan dive & that Pugh should have shut his mouth and not try to get a fellow pro sent off. The consensus seems to be on the B.E. site that Pugh dived as was the view on Radio Solent which was quite blunt adding he should have been booked. We must wind up the opposition lads. Without us to dislike they would have no life at all. gloryhornet4
  • Score: 1

11:42am Mon 20 Jan 14

DavidM says...

In the first game I watched Bobby Howfield scored and was also sent off for a brutal reprisal on a Northampton Town player.4-2 at Vicarage Rd in about 1963. I fell in love with Watford FC then and feel no different now. We always produced good players to sell on, Currie ,both Jennings,Barnes, Young,Phillips etc. We always brought good players in, Neilson, Coton, Simms etc. Where do so many of you message posters get your ideas from? Support your local club and roll with the ups and downs of every season. Don't lose your passion , but be realistic, we have never been a giant club.
In the first game I watched Bobby Howfield scored and was also sent off for a brutal reprisal on a Northampton Town player.4-2 at Vicarage Rd in about 1963. I fell in love with Watford FC then and feel no different now. We always produced good players to sell on, Currie ,both Jennings,Barnes, Young,Phillips etc. We always brought good players in, Neilson, Coton, Simms etc. Where do so many of you message posters get your ideas from? Support your local club and roll with the ups and downs of every season. Don't lose your passion , but be realistic, we have never been a giant club. DavidM
  • Score: 3

1:58pm Mon 20 Jan 14

Kismet110 says...

Honest question but why are so-called supporters obsessed with promotion AT ANY COST?

Don't get me wrong, I want Watford to go up and play the best teams but look at Cardiff right now; spent over 30 million in the summer and bottom of the table (had a very good manager up until couple of weeks back) and Palace also spent tons yet still in the bottom six.

But there is a season after this one and one after that. If it doesn't happen this season then hopefully, with a couple of key players added and slackers moved on, we have a go next year - this is a great division where teams are capable of beating any other as well as some decent away days rather than overpriced, bland trips coupled with a likely loss.

Anyhoo, does anyone know where they get these awful officials from? Since Sannino took charge we had the awful penalty at Ipswich, the blatant handball completely missed by the referee vs Millwall (luckily the lino was not blind), the dodgy officiating vs Reading then the horror show Saturday - that's 4 games out of 7 where the referee has been park standard, way too often to call it rare.
Honest question but why are so-called supporters obsessed with promotion AT ANY COST? Don't get me wrong, I want Watford to go up and play the best teams but look at Cardiff right now; spent over 30 million in the summer and bottom of the table (had a very good manager up until couple of weeks back) and Palace also spent tons yet still in the bottom six. But there is a season after this one and one after that. If it doesn't happen this season then hopefully, with a couple of key players added and slackers moved on, we have a go next year - this is a great division where teams are capable of beating any other as well as some decent away days rather than overpriced, bland trips coupled with a likely loss. Anyhoo, does anyone know where they get these awful officials from? Since Sannino took charge we had the awful penalty at Ipswich, the blatant handball completely missed by the referee vs Millwall (luckily the lino was not blind), the dodgy officiating vs Reading then the horror show Saturday - that's 4 games out of 7 where the referee has been park standard, way too often to call it rare. Kismet110
  • Score: 1

3:43pm Mon 20 Jan 14

Kismet110 says...

Honest, reading some of the tripe above makes me embarrassed to be a Watford supporter.

What does identity even mean? People harking back to the days when there was hardly anyone watching and we were clogging our way around the lower divisions, selling any half decent player at the first offer?

If you want that kind of set up L*t*n isn't that far away AND they're doing well so I suggest you get yourselves over there for a spot of nostalgia fulfillment.

The Pozzos saved us from administration, are building a new stand, paid off our debts and provided us with some of the most talented players in a LONG time.

So what if it isn't all clicking into place at this moment? That will come, we were a whisker away last season or have you forgotten that already?

And for the umpteenth time it wasn't a flare. They are hot and dangerous and it's stupid to throw them. It was a smokebomb and whilst I don't agree it should be thrown I also wouldn't demand people grass on their fellow supporters so get a grip.

Ironic; the players, manager, home fans and majority of away fans praised the mood and atmosphere but a handful of self-appointed guardians of propriety on here (and other social media) are on their high horse about it.

Like I mentioned earlier in my post, a demotion to non-League football may suit you better.
Honest, reading some of the tripe above makes me embarrassed to be a Watford supporter. What does identity even mean? People harking back to the days when there was hardly anyone watching and we were clogging our way around the lower divisions, selling any half decent player at the first offer? If you want that kind of set up L*t*n isn't that far away AND they're doing well so I suggest you get yourselves over there for a spot of nostalgia fulfillment. The Pozzos saved us from administration, are building a new stand, paid off our debts and provided us with some of the most talented players in a LONG time. So what if it isn't all clicking into place at this moment? That will come, we were a whisker away last season or have you forgotten that already? And for the umpteenth time it wasn't a flare. They are hot and dangerous and it's stupid to throw them. It was a smokebomb and whilst I don't agree it should be thrown I also wouldn't demand people grass on their fellow supporters so get a grip. Ironic; the players, manager, home fans and majority of away fans praised the mood and atmosphere but a handful of self-appointed guardians of propriety on here (and other social media) are on their high horse about it. Like I mentioned earlier in my post, a demotion to non-League football may suit you better. Kismet110
  • Score: 1

5:05pm Mon 20 Jan 14

Edd12 says...

It was like you guys had won the FA Cup or should I say the Coppa Italia with the after game celebrations...

Its a shame to see your fans come to the South Coast, abuse families at the train station (granted a small army of you), kick a moving taxi (normally a bad move) and then flare throwing on the pitch?! In my opinion (been to all home games) you were on a par with Millwall as the worse behaved fans...

As for your players... Diving, moaning every decision and an awful lot of time wasting. Shame Watford have these European traits still the celebration said it all and you have had your big game of the season 1-1 against little Bournemouth who totally deserved to win AMEN
It was like you guys had won the FA Cup or should I say the Coppa Italia with the after game celebrations... Its a shame to see your fans come to the South Coast, abuse families at the train station (granted a small army of you), kick a moving taxi (normally a bad move) and then flare throwing on the pitch?! In my opinion (been to all home games) you were on a par with Millwall as the worse behaved fans... As for your players... Diving, moaning every decision and an awful lot of time wasting. Shame Watford have these European traits still the celebration said it all and you have had your big game of the season 1-1 against little Bournemouth who totally deserved to win AMEN Edd12
  • Score: -1

8:44pm Mon 20 Jan 14

Boosey says...

Edd12 wrote:
It was like you guys had won the FA Cup or should I say the Coppa Italia with the after game celebrations...

Its a shame to see your fans come to the South Coast, abuse families at the train station (granted a small army of you), kick a moving taxi (normally a bad move) and then flare throwing on the pitch?! In my opinion (been to all home games) you were on a par with Millwall as the worse behaved fans...

As for your players... Diving, moaning every decision and an awful lot of time wasting. Shame Watford have these European traits still the celebration said it all and you have had your big game of the season 1-1 against little Bournemouth who totally deserved to win AMEN
In Hornet Cornets poetry Edd12 rhymes with ****!
[quote][p][bold]Edd12[/bold] wrote: It was like you guys had won the FA Cup or should I say the Coppa Italia with the after game celebrations... Its a shame to see your fans come to the South Coast, abuse families at the train station (granted a small army of you), kick a moving taxi (normally a bad move) and then flare throwing on the pitch?! In my opinion (been to all home games) you were on a par with Millwall as the worse behaved fans... As for your players... Diving, moaning every decision and an awful lot of time wasting. Shame Watford have these European traits still the celebration said it all and you have had your big game of the season 1-1 against little Bournemouth who totally deserved to win AMEN[/p][/quote]In Hornet Cornets poetry Edd12 rhymes with ****! Boosey
  • Score: 1

8:45pm Mon 20 Jan 14

Boosey says...

Boosey wrote:
Edd12 wrote:
It was like you guys had won the FA Cup or should I say the Coppa Italia with the after game celebrations...

Its a shame to see your fans come to the South Coast, abuse families at the train station (granted a small army of you), kick a moving taxi (normally a bad move) and then flare throwing on the pitch?! In my opinion (been to all home games) you were on a par with Millwall as the worse behaved fans...

As for your players... Diving, moaning every decision and an awful lot of time wasting. Shame Watford have these European traits still the celebration said it all and you have had your big game of the season 1-1 against little Bournemouth who totally deserved to win AMEN
In Hornet Cornets poetry Edd12 rhymes with ****!
Ok Richard Head
[quote][p][bold]Boosey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Edd12[/bold] wrote: It was like you guys had won the FA Cup or should I say the Coppa Italia with the after game celebrations... Its a shame to see your fans come to the South Coast, abuse families at the train station (granted a small army of you), kick a moving taxi (normally a bad move) and then flare throwing on the pitch?! In my opinion (been to all home games) you were on a par with Millwall as the worse behaved fans... As for your players... Diving, moaning every decision and an awful lot of time wasting. Shame Watford have these European traits still the celebration said it all and you have had your big game of the season 1-1 against little Bournemouth who totally deserved to win AMEN[/p][/quote]In Hornet Cornets poetry Edd12 rhymes with ****![/p][/quote]Ok Richard Head Boosey
  • Score: 1

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