Late injury-time strike denies Watford win at Championship leaders Leicester City

Watford Observer: Sean Murray is congratulated after putting Watford 2-0 up. Picture: Action Images Sean Murray is congratulated after putting Watford 2-0 up. Picture: Action Images

A superb Danny Drinkwater strike in the fourth minute of injury time prevented Watford from making it back-to-back wins as table toppers Leicester City fought back from 2-0 down to draw 2-2 at the King Power Stadium this afternoon.

Watford have a habit of starting quickly and they did it again, taking the lead in the ninth minute when Fernando Forestieri intercepted a Troy Deeney shot to turn the ball past Kasper Schmeichel in the ninth minute.

The Hornets then did well in the main to nullify Leicester’s threat and they were rewarded with a second goal four minutes before the interval when Sean Murray fired home from 20 yards after some excellent harrying by Forestieri.

However, the visitors were unable to take a two-goal lead into the interval as Matty James reduced the deficit in the 43rd minute.

But that looked like it was as good as it was going to get for the home side as they had plenty of possession in the second half, but Watford defended resolutely, getting numbers behind the ball, remaining organised and limiting the Foxes to just three on-target attempts in the 90 minutes of normal time.

Although the Hornets were to be undone by Drinkwater’s superb strike, they were to be let down by their game management in the closing stages. The ball could have been knocked into touch on a couple of occasions and there were other instances when the visitors offered their opponents some late encouragement.

Beppe Sannino made two changes as the Hornets sought to end Leicester’s club-record run of nine consecutive league wins.

Rather surprisingly after his impressive performance in the 2-0 victory against Brighton & Hove Albion last Sunday, Fitz Hall dropped to the bench, as did Alexander Merkel. Marco Cassetti moved into the back three, with Davide Faraoni taking his place at wing-back and Murray also returned to the starting line-up.

With no fresh injury problems, it was no surprise that the Foxes were unchanged from the side which won 1-0 at Bournemouth last time out.

It didn’t take long for the first attempt on goal to arrive; inside the opening 30 seconds the ball sat up nicely around 20 yards out for Deeney but his right-footed half-volley had the sting taken off it by a deflection and Schmeichel was able to save with ease.

Interestingly, it was Cassetti who took up the central position in the visitors’ back three and he survived an early scare after getting caught in possession towards the edge of his own penalty area. But Watford were able to clear without any further alarm.

The Hornets were more than holding their own and in the ninth minute they shocked their hosts by taking the lead.

Forestieri won the ball in the Leicester half and worked it to Deeney towards the left side of the penalty area. With not too many options around him, Watford’s top scorer struck a shot which looked to be on target but probably would have been dealt with by Schmeichel. However, Forestieri gambled and flung himself at the shot, re-directing it past the keeper with his head to make it 1-0.

There were suspicions that Forestieri may have been offside but despite some enquiries from the home defenders in the direction of the assistant, most notably from Wes Morgan, the goal was allowed to stand.

Having been caught cold to an extent, Leicester spurned a reasonable chance to equalise with their first opportunity of note in the 12th minute when a corner from the right picked out the largely unmarked Marcin Wasilewsiki but he glanced his header down and wide.

Jamie Vardy was the next Foxes player to have an attempt with an improvised attempt over the top and the Leicester striker also cleared the crossbar with a header following a delivery from the left.

Daniel Tozser took his yellow card count to two in as many matches in English football after he was booked by Martin Atkinson for a clear trip on David Nugent in the 22nd minute. But the Hornets midfielder was soon joined in the notebook by Paul Konchesky after unnecessarily clipping Faraoni’s heels from behind.

And it was the Italian wing-back who had Watford’s next effort, diverting the ball into the side netting after Deeney had headed his side’s first corner of the afternoon towards the far post.

Watford were having a reasonable spell around the half-an-hour mark and their next sight of goal arrived when Gabriele Angella clipped the ball towards the D, Forestieri knocked it down and Deeney chose to his a shot first time but sliced it wide of the far post.

However, Leicester nearly equalised in bizarre fashion in the 33rd minute – and the gusty conditions were entirely responsible.

The home side were awarded a corner on the left which James took. His delivery initially seemed destined for the edge of the six-yard area, only for the wind to catch it but Manuel Almunia was able to readjust and claw the ball out before it crossed his line.

Soon after, the Hornets were opened up down their left as Lloyd Dyer played a one-two with Drinkwater before cutting the ball back across the area to Nugent, who improvised with an acrobatic attempt and put it over.

Watford though, were continuing to ask questions when they could get the ball in the final third and they almost scored a second with their next attempt when a corner was played in for the left, Angella challenged for the ball and then got a second bite at it, hitting a right-footed shot on the turn which was superbly tipped over by Schmeichel.

But with their next effort though, the Hornets were to make no mistake as they opened up a 2-0 lead four minutes before the break.

Forestieri deserves considerable credit for chasing what was effectively a lost cause into the bottom left-hand corner and holding off Ritchie de Laet before feeding the ball back to Ikechi Anya. He in turn laid the it across to Murray, who took a touch before striking a crisp 20-yard low right-footed shot beyond the dive of Schmeichel.

However, the Hornets were unable to take the two-goal lead into the break and within two minutes the leaders had halved the deficit.

De Laet was the creator, advancing down the right before hitting a low cross into the area which James met with a half-volley to dispatch the ball past Almunia’s outstretched right hand to make it 2-1 at the break.

The home side were quickly out of the traps at the start of the second half, winning two corners inside the opening 90 seconds. But their opponents quickly settled down, although they were nearly caught out when Dyer went round Angella on the outside and resisted any temptation to go to ground as the Hornets defender was leaning all over him before cutting the ball back but Joel Ekstrand anticipated the danger and dealt with the threat.

Ekstrand and Almunia then both required treatment after colliding with each other as another dangerous ball came in from the Hornets’ right and in the 58th minute the Hornets keeper needed to race from his area to clear after a Cassetti lapse had almost let in Vardy.

But the pattern of the second half was being increasingly set; Leicester were having a lot of the ball in the opposition half but what was now a five-man Hornets rearguard continued to stand firm and disciplined. What attacks the visitors were to build were increasingly on the counter and they spurned a fine opportunity in the 66th minute.

Having intercepted a pass near the edge of his own penalty area, Ekstrand strode purposefully forward before playing a fine reverse pass to set Forestieri free on the left as Watford broke two-on-two. The Argentine continued the advance as Deeney started to peel off on a run towards the far post but his teammate was unable to pick him out with the past when it mattered.

Sannino made the first change after 66 minutes, replacing Faraoni with Daniel Pudil, but not before Leicester had spurned a good opening when Dyer had managed to squeeze over a cross from the left but Nugent glanced his header wide of the far post.

Nugent then looped another header tamely into Almunia’s arms following another Dyer delivery from the left before Cassetti picked up a needless yellow card for kicking the ball away.

Given the context of the game, there was no surprise at Nigel Pearson’s first change in the 74th minute as Kevin Phillips entered the fray in place of Vardy. A second change soon followed with Riyad Mahrez replacing Dyer.

Schmeichel made a rare save to hold on to an angled Pudil shot but the ball was going wide anyway. But Leicester’s search for an equaliser was starting to look a little futile as the game entered the final ten minutes, with James hitting a speculative effort from 30 yards well wide.

Forestieri’s last act before he was replaced by Hall in the 84th minute was to see yellow for a foul on Morgan, while Pearson played as final card by bringing on Chris Wood for Wasilewski.

Almunia then had to make an instinctive reaction stop to keep out a Phillips header at the far post following a Mahrez shot. It wouldn’t have counted as the offside flag was raised but the Hornets keeper was not to know that at the time.

A minimum of five minutes of stoppage time offered the table toppers hope but they were unable to get the ball into the Hornets half for the first two of those.

Phillips and James then had long-range shots blocked but just as it looked as if the Hornets had done enough they were literally stung by a bolt from the blue in the fourth minute of injury time.

There didn’t appear to be too much cause for concern when the ball broke for Drinkwater 20 yards out to the right of centre but he let fly with a superb half-volley that let Almunia grasping at thin air as the ball flew past him and into the top corner.

Having been pegged back at the death, Watford so nearly let a point slip. First Pudil did superbly to slide in and cut out a low centre that would have left Mahrez with a tap-in and then from the resultant corner, the ball fell for Nugent in space but he turned and fired wide of the far post with the goal at his mercy as the game finished all-square.

Leicester City: Schmeichel; de Laet, Wasilewski (Wood 84), Morgan, Konchesky; Knockaert, James, Drinkwater, Dyer (Mahrez 77); Vardy (Phillips 74), Nugent. Not used: Hammond, King, Schlupp, Logan.

Watford: Almunia; Ekstrand, Cassetti, Angella; Faraoni (Pudil 66), Murray, Tozser, Battocchio, Anya; Forestieri (Hall 84), Deeney. Not used: Bond, Bellerin, Merkel, Doyley, Ranegie.

Bookings: Tozser for a foul on Nugent (22); Konchesky for a foul on Faraoni (24); Cassetti for dissent (74); Forestieri for a foul on Morgan (84).

Attendance: 23,635 (800 away).

Referee: Martin Atkinson.

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5:25pm Sat 8 Feb 14

Boosey says...

Great point.
Great point. Boosey

5:25pm Sat 8 Feb 14

hemelhorn87 says...

Gutted obviously! We played fairly well second half, Leicester were pretty dominant but they barely troubled Almunia, Fessi had a great chance to make it three but his pass to Troy was woeful! Daniel Tozser is very gifted and did very well especially first half!

Thank Lord for Daniel Pudil's block as well
Gutted obviously! We played fairly well second half, Leicester were pretty dominant but they barely troubled Almunia, Fessi had a great chance to make it three but his pass to Troy was woeful! Daniel Tozser is very gifted and did very well especially first half! Thank Lord for Daniel Pudil's block as well hemelhorn87

5:25pm Sat 8 Feb 14

PembsHornet says...

5 minutes of injury time?? You almost get the feeling that refs are told to give the other side every chance to beat us!! It's as if the FA don't like what's happening to our club and don't want us to succeed but it's fine for billionaires to purchase premier league clubs and spend hundreds of millions in an attempt to buy success!!
5 minutes of injury time?? You almost get the feeling that refs are told to give the other side every chance to beat us!! It's as if the FA don't like what's happening to our club and don't want us to succeed but it's fine for billionaires to purchase premier league clubs and spend hundreds of millions in an attempt to buy success!! PembsHornet

5:25pm Sat 8 Feb 14

watford4ever says...

So so disappointing that we could not hold out, and I am share there are lessons we must learn on how to close out games. However a draw is still a good result against the leagues form team away from home. Well done lads, lets keep it going.
So so disappointing that we could not hold out, and I am share there are lessons we must learn on how to close out games. However a draw is still a good result against the leagues form team away from home. Well done lads, lets keep it going. watford4ever

5:26pm Sat 8 Feb 14

JohnnyBarnes says...

Sannino: STOP taking Fessi off when we're leading and bringing defenders on.
YOU ARE INVITING TROUBLE!!

Stop trying to fix what isn't broken!!
Sannino: STOP taking Fessi off when we're leading and bringing defenders on. YOU ARE INVITING TROUBLE!! Stop trying to fix what isn't broken!! JohnnyBarnes

5:26pm Sat 8 Feb 14

Nordin's Hooter says...

Fantastic Result, yes frustrating to let in the late goal but great foundation to build on from the last two games, onwards and upwards .
Giuseppe the Beppe's Yellow Army !
Fantastic Result, yes frustrating to let in the late goal but great foundation to build on from the last two games, onwards and upwards . Giuseppe the Beppe's Yellow Army ! Nordin's Hooter

5:29pm Sat 8 Feb 14

younghornet says...

Still gutted but sounds like a stunner, their equaliser, nothing we could have done. Definitely would have a point ahead of today, but why do we always concede in the last minute
Still gutted but sounds like a stunner, their equaliser, nothing we could have done. Definitely would have a point ahead of today, but why do we always concede in the last minute younghornet

5:30pm Sat 8 Feb 14

truefan1 says...

2-0 up again and throw it away,Don't care where LFC are in the league sorry happy clappers not good enough
Not funny any more
2-0 up again and throw it away,Don't care where LFC are in the league sorry happy clappers not good enough Not funny any more truefan1

5:31pm Sat 8 Feb 14

wiseoldornet says...

Well done Watford
Well done Watford wiseoldornet

5:34pm Sat 8 Feb 14

Buenos Aires Hornet says...

Watched the game on live stream. I think Watford deserved to win this one. Could have been 3-0 before half-time. No idea where 5 mins of injury time came from. Battocchio was injured just before they equalised. Leicester should have put the ball out of play but guess that is no longer the norm in modern day football. Would like to see 4 at the back when 2-0 up.
Watched the game on live stream. I think Watford deserved to win this one. Could have been 3-0 before half-time. No idea where 5 mins of injury time came from. Battocchio was injured just before they equalised. Leicester should have put the ball out of play but guess that is no longer the norm in modern day football. Would like to see 4 at the back when 2-0 up. Buenos Aires Hornet

5:37pm Sat 8 Feb 14

Buenos Aires Hornet says...

Oh yeh, if Puma are reading this ... bring back red shorts for next season. Watford have had some good seasons in red shorts.
Oh yeh, if Puma are reading this ... bring back red shorts for next season. Watford have had some good seasons in red shorts. Buenos Aires Hornet

5:38pm Sat 8 Feb 14

Goalkeepers Union says...

The (lack of) ability to close out a game is starting to really annoy me. How many two nil leads have we let slip? How many times have we gone into the last ten minutes ahead and end up hanging on for the draw or losing? Weird decision to start Hall on the bench today unless GS saving him for Tuesday.
The (lack of) ability to close out a game is starting to really annoy me. How many two nil leads have we let slip? How many times have we gone into the last ten minutes ahead and end up hanging on for the draw or losing? Weird decision to start Hall on the bench today unless GS saving him for Tuesday. Goalkeepers Union

5:39pm Sat 8 Feb 14

endean2 says...

How do we manage to concede in the last minutes most games?
There must be a serious mental problem with our team
Great result I suppose,but oh it could have been so much better
How do we manage to concede in the last minutes most games? There must be a serious mental problem with our team Great result I suppose,but oh it could have been so much better endean2

5:39pm Sat 8 Feb 14

WessexLad says...

Once again Sannino takes off a forward for a back, and invites the opposition to come at us. Game management is important, but it can only succeed if you have enough players in midfield to keep possession. And with Leicester pushing up, there was always the chance of a breakaway to put the game to bed.

I think we have the makings of a very good team that could yet make the play-offs, but only if we kill teams off when we have the chance.
Once again Sannino takes off a forward for a back, and invites the opposition to come at us. Game management is important, but it can only succeed if you have enough players in midfield to keep possession. And with Leicester pushing up, there was always the chance of a breakaway to put the game to bed. I think we have the makings of a very good team that could yet make the play-offs, but only if we kill teams off when we have the chance. WessexLad

5:41pm Sat 8 Feb 14

Paul Gadd says...

FFS.......another late goal conceded...
Yes it was at a good team away from home- but once again it was a team there for the taking at 2-0
Very disappointed but at least it wasn't 'super' Kev that scored their goal
COYH
Proud 1881er
Proud L*ton hater
FFS.......another late goal conceded... Yes it was at a good team away from home- but once again it was a team there for the taking at 2-0 Very disappointed but at least it wasn't 'super' Kev that scored their goal COYH Proud 1881er Proud L*ton hater Paul Gadd

5:41pm Sat 8 Feb 14

truefan1 says...

Goalkeepers Union wrote:
The (lack of) ability to close out a game is starting to really annoy me. How many two nil leads have we let slip? How many times have we gone into the last ten minutes ahead and end up hanging on for the draw or losing? Weird decision to start Hall on the bench today unless GS saving him for Tuesday.
Saving him for Tuesday?
Why are we in the champions league!
Hall was great against Brighton,you play your best team
[quote][p][bold]Goalkeepers Union[/bold] wrote: The (lack of) ability to close out a game is starting to really annoy me. How many two nil leads have we let slip? How many times have we gone into the last ten minutes ahead and end up hanging on for the draw or losing? Weird decision to start Hall on the bench today unless GS saving him for Tuesday.[/p][/quote]Saving him for Tuesday? Why are we in the champions league! Hall was great against Brighton,you play your best team truefan1

5:44pm Sat 8 Feb 14

WessexLad says...

endean2 wrote:
How do we manage to concede in the last minutes most games?
There must be a serious mental problem with our team
Great result I suppose,but oh it could have been so much better
it would help if we had an outfield captain in the Eustace mould. Tozser?
[quote][p][bold]endean2[/bold] wrote: How do we manage to concede in the last minutes most games? There must be a serious mental problem with our team Great result I suppose,but oh it could have been so much better[/p][/quote]it would help if we had an outfield captain in the Eustace mould. Tozser? WessexLad

5:45pm Sat 8 Feb 14

charliefarmery says...

I am sooo frustrated! What is it with us and conceding last minute goals! A win today could really have got us back on track. The annoying thing is I've started to expect it now in tight games because we can never seem to hold on when only one goal up! Really have to question the mentality and will to win of some of our current team. Are Angella, Faraoni, Ekstrand and Cassetti and co strong enough mentally for the Premier League? I fear not.
I am sooo frustrated! What is it with us and conceding last minute goals! A win today could really have got us back on track. The annoying thing is I've started to expect it now in tight games because we can never seem to hold on when only one goal up! Really have to question the mentality and will to win of some of our current team. Are Angella, Faraoni, Ekstrand and Cassetti and co strong enough mentally for the Premier League? I fear not. charliefarmery

5:48pm Sat 8 Feb 14

Goalkeepers Union says...

truefan1 wrote:
Goalkeepers Union wrote:
The (lack of) ability to close out a game is starting to really annoy me. How many two nil leads have we let slip? How many times have we gone into the last ten minutes ahead and end up hanging on for the draw or losing? Weird decision to start Hall on the bench today unless GS saving him for Tuesday.
Saving him for Tuesday?
Why are we in the champions league!
Hall was great against Brighton,you play your best team
Completely agree...strongest team available should always be fielded, just trying to understand why Hall was benched crazy!!!
[quote][p][bold]truefan1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Goalkeepers Union[/bold] wrote: The (lack of) ability to close out a game is starting to really annoy me. How many two nil leads have we let slip? How many times have we gone into the last ten minutes ahead and end up hanging on for the draw or losing? Weird decision to start Hall on the bench today unless GS saving him for Tuesday.[/p][/quote]Saving him for Tuesday? Why are we in the champions league! Hall was great against Brighton,you play your best team[/p][/quote]Completely agree...strongest team available should always be fielded, just trying to understand why Hall was benched crazy!!! Goalkeepers Union

6:07pm Sat 8 Feb 14

PembsHornet says...

There are some teal cretins on this site, look at the amount of negative scores to sensible comments. Yes this season has been frustrating and yes we should have won today and yes it's even more annoying that we always seem to concede late in games but with so many changes in the team this year did we all expect auto promotion? Sannino is still adapting and trying to make the team gel, hopefully this will put us in a better position for a real promotion push next year. I think we all need to be a little more patient and believe me I was seething earlier after seeing Leicester score on the live feed but arguing between ourselves won't help anyone!
There are some teal cretins on this site, look at the amount of negative scores to sensible comments. Yes this season has been frustrating and yes we should have won today and yes it's even more annoying that we always seem to concede late in games but with so many changes in the team this year did we all expect auto promotion? Sannino is still adapting and trying to make the team gel, hopefully this will put us in a better position for a real promotion push next year. I think we all need to be a little more patient and believe me I was seething earlier after seeing Leicester score on the live feed but arguing between ourselves won't help anyone! PembsHornet

6:08pm Sat 8 Feb 14

grahamwfc says...

Buenos Aires Hornet wrote:
Watched the game on live stream. I think Watford deserved to win this one. Could have been 3-0 before half-time. No idea where 5 mins of injury time came from. Battocchio was injured just before they equalised. Leicester should have put the ball out of play but guess that is no longer the norm in modern day football. Would like to see 4 at the back when 2-0 up.
According to 3 counties we did go 4 at the back in the second half. Little point in doing it in the first half when the system was working so well. We just need to go 2 up with less than a minute to go..................
.................MAY
BE!
Tommy Hoban back will I'm sure make a difference in our defending
[quote][p][bold]Buenos Aires Hornet[/bold] wrote: Watched the game on live stream. I think Watford deserved to win this one. Could have been 3-0 before half-time. No idea where 5 mins of injury time came from. Battocchio was injured just before they equalised. Leicester should have put the ball out of play but guess that is no longer the norm in modern day football. Would like to see 4 at the back when 2-0 up.[/p][/quote]According to 3 counties we did go 4 at the back in the second half. Little point in doing it in the first half when the system was working so well. We just need to go 2 up with less than a minute to go.................. .................MAY BE! Tommy Hoban back will I'm sure make a difference in our defending grahamwfc

6:28pm Sat 8 Feb 14

helGODson says...

Like everyone else on here: SO frustrated!!! - another lead just given away - all we have to do, is do "the basics" correctly, and close games out properly; play simple passes to keep possession, push up, keep playing further up the pitch (they can't score if the ball's in their half!), STOP dropping deep & taking off attacking players for defensive ones - attack is the best form of defence...
...all that said, Leicester are a good team, we're scoring goals, and I'd have taken a point before the game...
Still gutted we didn't take the 3 points though!!! COYH ;-)
Like everyone else on here: SO frustrated!!! - another lead just given away - all we have to do, is do "the basics" correctly, and close games out properly; play simple passes to keep possession, push up, keep playing further up the pitch (they can't score if the ball's in their half!), STOP dropping deep & taking off attacking players for defensive ones - attack is the best form of defence... ...all that said, Leicester are a good team, we're scoring goals, and I'd have taken a point before the game... Still gutted we didn't take the 3 points though!!! COYH ;-) helGODson

6:53pm Sat 8 Feb 14

Hornankey says...

Lesson 101 in keeping a lead desperately required for manager and team. It has happened too often to be put down to bad luck.
Lesson 101 in keeping a lead desperately required for manager and team. It has happened too often to be put down to bad luck. Hornankey

6:55pm Sat 8 Feb 14

Rosty'srocket says...

At start of p[lay a [point would have been taken. At the end i thought we should have had it sewn up for all three. 5 mins over a bit rash. Do not understand why FF could have not gone another 4mins but see the reason for G doing it. I would have given Ranegie a go or, Merkel behind Deeney. The post on here re Tommy, one of Toms assets is his ability to get up there in the air for a relatively smallish defender, we do not know how the injury has affected this . But here's hoping he's all ok.
At start of p[lay a [point would have been taken. At the end i thought we should have had it sewn up for all three. 5 mins over a bit rash. Do not understand why FF could have not gone another 4mins but see the reason for G doing it. I would have given Ranegie a go or, Merkel behind Deeney. The post on here re Tommy, one of Toms assets is his ability to get up there in the air for a relatively smallish defender, we do not know how the injury has affected this . But here's hoping he's all ok. Rosty'srocket

8:19pm Sat 8 Feb 14

WJames says...

Nordin's Hooter wrote:
Fantastic Result, yes frustrating to let in the late goal but great foundation to build on from the last two games, onwards and upwards .
Giuseppe the Beppe's Yellow Army !
Nordin, you are a mug. Explain how winning 2-0 to nearly losing 3-2 in the last minute is a 'Fantastic result' - a mistake the team don't learn from time and time again. I can tell a lot about you just from your comment son. Pathetic.
[quote][p][bold]Nordin's Hooter[/bold] wrote: Fantastic Result, yes frustrating to let in the late goal but great foundation to build on from the last two games, onwards and upwards . Giuseppe the Beppe's Yellow Army ![/p][/quote]Nordin, you are a mug. Explain how winning 2-0 to nearly losing 3-2 in the last minute is a 'Fantastic result' - a mistake the team don't learn from time and time again. I can tell a lot about you just from your comment son. Pathetic. WJames

8:50pm Sat 8 Feb 14

SAHornet says...

PembsHornet wrote:
5 minutes of injury time?? You almost get the feeling that refs are told to give the other side every chance to beat us!! It's as if the FA don't like what's happening to our club and don't want us to succeed but it's fine for billionaires to purchase premier league clubs and spend hundreds of millions in an attempt to buy success!!
Great result but disappointing to have given up 2 points so close to the end but we were under the most intense pressure and most teams would have cracked too.

Pembs, to answer your question about the 5 mins of added time, the reason for this is that we do not disguise the fact that we blatantly waste time by kicking the ball away, strolling off at a snail's pace when substituted, feigning injury etc etc. This invites the fourth official to add loads of extra time so to some extent, we bring this on ourselves. We've got to cut down on the cheating imho. Night night all.
[quote][p][bold]PembsHornet[/bold] wrote: 5 minutes of injury time?? You almost get the feeling that refs are told to give the other side every chance to beat us!! It's as if the FA don't like what's happening to our club and don't want us to succeed but it's fine for billionaires to purchase premier league clubs and spend hundreds of millions in an attempt to buy success!![/p][/quote]Great result but disappointing to have given up 2 points so close to the end but we were under the most intense pressure and most teams would have cracked too. Pembs, to answer your question about the 5 mins of added time, the reason for this is that we do not disguise the fact that we blatantly waste time by kicking the ball away, strolling off at a snail's pace when substituted, feigning injury etc etc. This invites the fourth official to add loads of extra time so to some extent, we bring this on ourselves. We've got to cut down on the cheating imho. Night night all. SAHornet

8:58pm Sat 8 Feb 14

SAHornet says...

WJames wrote:
Nordin's Hooter wrote:
Fantastic Result, yes frustrating to let in the late goal but great foundation to build on from the last two games, onwards and upwards .
Giuseppe the Beppe's Yellow Army !
Nordin, you are a mug. Explain how winning 2-0 to nearly losing 3-2 in the last minute is a 'Fantastic result' - a mistake the team don't learn from time and time again. I can tell a lot about you just from your comment son. Pathetic.
Uncalled for WJames. Come back when you've calmed down a bit, eh?
[quote][p][bold]WJames[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nordin's Hooter[/bold] wrote: Fantastic Result, yes frustrating to let in the late goal but great foundation to build on from the last two games, onwards and upwards . Giuseppe the Beppe's Yellow Army ![/p][/quote]Nordin, you are a mug. Explain how winning 2-0 to nearly losing 3-2 in the last minute is a 'Fantastic result' - a mistake the team don't learn from time and time again. I can tell a lot about you just from your comment son. Pathetic.[/p][/quote]Uncalled for WJames. Come back when you've calmed down a bit, eh? SAHornet

10:04pm Sat 8 Feb 14

matey_from_brighton says...

WessexLad wrote:
Once again Sannino takes off a forward for a back, and invites the opposition to come at us. Game management is important, but it can only succeed if you have enough players in midfield to keep possession. And with Leicester pushing up, there was always the chance of a breakaway to put the game to bed.

I think we have the makings of a very good team that could yet make the play-offs, but only if we kill teams off when we have the chance.
He took FF off because Leicester were going more and more long ball straight into our area. It made sense to get Hall on given how good he is in the air. Unfortunately we were undone by a good strike in the last minute - not sure we could have done much better defensively, but a 3rd goal for us would have killed it. A very good point against the league leaders as annoying as it was the way it came about.
[quote][p][bold]WessexLad[/bold] wrote: Once again Sannino takes off a forward for a back, and invites the opposition to come at us. Game management is important, but it can only succeed if you have enough players in midfield to keep possession. And with Leicester pushing up, there was always the chance of a breakaway to put the game to bed. I think we have the makings of a very good team that could yet make the play-offs, but only if we kill teams off when we have the chance.[/p][/quote]He took FF off because Leicester were going more and more long ball straight into our area. It made sense to get Hall on given how good he is in the air. Unfortunately we were undone by a good strike in the last minute - not sure we could have done much better defensively, but a 3rd goal for us would have killed it. A very good point against the league leaders as annoying as it was the way it came about. matey_from_brighton

10:20pm Sat 8 Feb 14

Man from Pinner says...

I would have taken the draw before the game; at 93 minutes I was looking forward to the win then a player who did nothing whilst on loan with us scores a stunning equaliser.If Fessy had shot instead of trying to pass to Troy! If is a small word but big meaning. All of this is what football is about.
A good result in the circumstances and a good day out. Roll on Tuesday..
I would have taken the draw before the game; at 93 minutes I was looking forward to the win then a player who did nothing whilst on loan with us scores a stunning equaliser.If Fessy had shot instead of trying to pass to Troy! If is a small word but big meaning. All of this is what football is about. A good result in the circumstances and a good day out. Roll on Tuesday.. Man from Pinner

11:15pm Sat 8 Feb 14

anywayasiwasaying says...

Hornankey wrote:
Lesson 101 in keeping a lead desperately required for manager and team. It has happened too often to be put down to bad luck.
A point at Leicester, the best team in the division and on a long winning streak, is an outstanding result. Instead of all of the expert opinion on here about keeping a lead and last minute goals, perhaps we ought to give credit to Beppe for setting the team up to cope with a team that have had their own way with most teams in the division. Why just focus on being beaten in the 95th minute, it was a worldy by the way, and going on about subbing a defender for a forward, playing a back four and the rest, why not give credit to the lads for the other 94 minutes where they slugged it out with the table toppers. I'm like everyone else, frustrated and gutted by not getting the win, but I'm also a realist and I'll take a point at Leicester any day and particularly in the current circumstances. Just on a final point Fitz was sent on because Leicester were launching it into the box, and if DD hadn't caught one flush, the tactic would have worked. Last word to that nice Mr Pearson 'But you have got to give Watford credit. I thought their game plan was thorough and they didn't allow us too much space behind their defenders'......and he knows what he is talking about.
[quote][p][bold]Hornankey[/bold] wrote: Lesson 101 in keeping a lead desperately required for manager and team. It has happened too often to be put down to bad luck.[/p][/quote]A point at Leicester, the best team in the division and on a long winning streak, is an outstanding result. Instead of all of the expert opinion on here about keeping a lead and last minute goals, perhaps we ought to give credit to Beppe for setting the team up to cope with a team that have had their own way with most teams in the division. Why just focus on being beaten in the 95th minute, it was a worldy by the way, and going on about subbing a defender for a forward, playing a back four and the rest, why not give credit to the lads for the other 94 minutes where they slugged it out with the table toppers. I'm like everyone else, frustrated and gutted by not getting the win, but I'm also a realist and I'll take a point at Leicester any day and particularly in the current circumstances. Just on a final point Fitz was sent on because Leicester were launching it into the box, and if DD hadn't caught one flush, the tactic would have worked. Last word to that nice Mr Pearson 'But you have got to give Watford credit. I thought their game plan was thorough and they didn't allow us too much space behind their defenders'......and he knows what he is talking about. anywayasiwasaying

7:31am Sun 9 Feb 14

4boys says...

Good result against the runaway leaders, shame to concede so late, but was a stunning goal. Let's push on and get behind the team!
Good result against the runaway leaders, shame to concede so late, but was a stunning goal. Let's push on and get behind the team! 4boys

8:04am Sun 9 Feb 14

endean2 says...

previous comments probably say it all
yes appoint at Leicester at this stage of the season is good and the
team does seem to play to more of a game plan.

then all the more sickened to be undone in the 94 th minute and then to
nearly concede another goal !!!

can you imagine if we did that EVERY week how we would feel ....................
...
previous comments probably say it all yes appoint at Leicester at this stage of the season is good and the team does seem to play to more of a game plan. then all the more sickened to be undone in the 94 th minute and then to nearly concede another goal !!! can you imagine if we did that EVERY week how we would feel .................... ... endean2

9:19am Sun 9 Feb 14

truefan1 says...

anywayasiwasaying wrote:
Hornankey wrote:
Lesson 101 in keeping a lead desperately required for manager and team. It has happened too often to be put down to bad luck.
A point at Leicester, the best team in the division and on a long winning streak, is an outstanding result. Instead of all of the expert opinion on here about keeping a lead and last minute goals, perhaps we ought to give credit to Beppe for setting the team up to cope with a team that have had their own way with most teams in the division. Why just focus on being beaten in the 95th minute, it was a worldy by the way, and going on about subbing a defender for a forward, playing a back four and the rest, why not give credit to the lads for the other 94 minutes where they slugged it out with the table toppers. I'm like everyone else, frustrated and gutted by not getting the win, but I'm also a realist and I'll take a point at Leicester any day and particularly in the current circumstances. Just on a final point Fitz was sent on because Leicester were launching it into the box, and if DD hadn't caught one flush, the tactic would have worked. Last word to that nice Mr Pearson 'But you have got to give Watford credit. I thought their game plan was thorough and they didn't allow us too much space behind their defenders'......and he knows what he is talking about.
Its not an outstanding point if your 2-0 up.
with the team we have,we should be above teams like Leicester,forest.
The first time this year we look steady at the back was Brighton & then he changes it for the Leicester game that's not good management to me
[quote][p][bold]anywayasiwasaying[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hornankey[/bold] wrote: Lesson 101 in keeping a lead desperately required for manager and team. It has happened too often to be put down to bad luck.[/p][/quote]A point at Leicester, the best team in the division and on a long winning streak, is an outstanding result. Instead of all of the expert opinion on here about keeping a lead and last minute goals, perhaps we ought to give credit to Beppe for setting the team up to cope with a team that have had their own way with most teams in the division. Why just focus on being beaten in the 95th minute, it was a worldy by the way, and going on about subbing a defender for a forward, playing a back four and the rest, why not give credit to the lads for the other 94 minutes where they slugged it out with the table toppers. I'm like everyone else, frustrated and gutted by not getting the win, but I'm also a realist and I'll take a point at Leicester any day and particularly in the current circumstances. Just on a final point Fitz was sent on because Leicester were launching it into the box, and if DD hadn't caught one flush, the tactic would have worked. Last word to that nice Mr Pearson 'But you have got to give Watford credit. I thought their game plan was thorough and they didn't allow us too much space behind their defenders'......and he knows what he is talking about.[/p][/quote]Its not an outstanding point if your 2-0 up. with the team we have,we should be above teams like Leicester,forest. The first time this year we look steady at the back was Brighton & then he changes it for the Leicester game that's not good management to me truefan1

10:16am Sun 9 Feb 14

Cuetip says...

JohnnyBarnes wrote:
Sannino: STOP taking Fessi off when we're leading and bringing defenders on.
YOU ARE INVITING TROUBLE!!

Stop trying to fix what isn't broken!!
Tinkering can create more problems than solutions.
[quote][p][bold]JohnnyBarnes[/bold] wrote: Sannino: STOP taking Fessi off when we're leading and bringing defenders on. YOU ARE INVITING TROUBLE!! Stop trying to fix what isn't broken!![/p][/quote]Tinkering can create more problems than solutions. Cuetip

10:38am Sun 9 Feb 14

JohnnyBarnes says...

anywayasiwasaying wrote:
Hornankey wrote:
Lesson 101 in keeping a lead desperately required for manager and team. It has happened too often to be put down to bad luck.
A point at Leicester, the best team in the division and on a long winning streak, is an outstanding result. Instead of all of the expert opinion on here about keeping a lead and last minute goals, perhaps we ought to give credit to Beppe for setting the team up to cope with a team that have had their own way with most teams in the division. Why just focus on being beaten in the 95th minute, it was a worldy by the way, and going on about subbing a defender for a forward, playing a back four and the rest, why not give credit to the lads for the other 94 minutes where they slugged it out with the table toppers. I'm like everyone else, frustrated and gutted by not getting the win, but I'm also a realist and I'll take a point at Leicester any day and particularly in the current circumstances. Just on a final point Fitz was sent on because Leicester were launching it into the box, and if DD hadn't caught one flush, the tactic would have worked. Last word to that nice Mr Pearson 'But you have got to give Watford credit. I thought their game plan was thorough and they didn't allow us too much space behind their defenders'......and he knows what he is talking about.
Point taken... obviously a draw at the runaway leaders is a good result; on paper, before the game

but all I think that a few people (myself included) are saying on here is that if we're capable of going two up at Man City, two up against a good Forest side and two up away against a team who were on the back of a ridiculous number of straight wins, then we should be setting our sights a little higher than being grateful for a draw. I mean it as a compliment!

I wouldn't swap our squad for Leicester's - no way - and I think that our boys, set up right, are capable of beating anyone in this division.
Given that, we're entitled to think that if three games running we take off a striker for a defender is making the same mistake three times and doing our boys a massive disservice. You might not think it's a big move, but to have no outlet puts so much pressure on the boys at the back, conceding is inevitable. Clear it and it'll just come straight back in!

I just want Sannino to have a bit of confidence in our players that 2-1 up away at Leicester, or Forest, or City, is not a massive deal - we're very capable of doing that, and I don't see it as a surprise - so let's go for another goal! Attack is the best form of defence an' all that.

But that said, it's early days for him and the way he sets us up for at least 65/70 minutes every week has given me real confidence in him. If we don't make it this season, I believe we'll make it next.
[quote][p][bold]anywayasiwasaying[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hornankey[/bold] wrote: Lesson 101 in keeping a lead desperately required for manager and team. It has happened too often to be put down to bad luck.[/p][/quote]A point at Leicester, the best team in the division and on a long winning streak, is an outstanding result. Instead of all of the expert opinion on here about keeping a lead and last minute goals, perhaps we ought to give credit to Beppe for setting the team up to cope with a team that have had their own way with most teams in the division. Why just focus on being beaten in the 95th minute, it was a worldy by the way, and going on about subbing a defender for a forward, playing a back four and the rest, why not give credit to the lads for the other 94 minutes where they slugged it out with the table toppers. I'm like everyone else, frustrated and gutted by not getting the win, but I'm also a realist and I'll take a point at Leicester any day and particularly in the current circumstances. Just on a final point Fitz was sent on because Leicester were launching it into the box, and if DD hadn't caught one flush, the tactic would have worked. Last word to that nice Mr Pearson 'But you have got to give Watford credit. I thought their game plan was thorough and they didn't allow us too much space behind their defenders'......and he knows what he is talking about.[/p][/quote]Point taken... obviously a draw at the runaway leaders is a good result; on paper, before the game but all I think that a few people (myself included) are saying on here is that if we're capable of going two up at Man City, two up against a good Forest side and two up away against a team who were on the back of a ridiculous number of straight wins, then we should be setting our sights a little higher than being grateful for a draw. I mean it as a compliment! I wouldn't swap our squad for Leicester's - no way - and I think that our boys, set up right, are capable of beating anyone in this division. Given that, we're entitled to think that if three games running we take off a striker for a defender is making the same mistake three times and doing our boys a massive disservice. You might not think it's a big move, but to have no outlet puts so much pressure on the boys at the back, conceding is inevitable. Clear it and it'll just come straight back in! I just want Sannino to have a bit of confidence in our players that 2-1 up away at Leicester, or Forest, or City, is not a massive deal - we're very capable of doing that, and I don't see it as a surprise - so let's go for another goal! Attack is the best form of defence an' all that. But that said, it's early days for him and the way he sets us up for at least 65/70 minutes every week has given me real confidence in him. If we don't make it this season, I believe we'll make it next. JohnnyBarnes

11:52am Sun 9 Feb 14

Only 2 Ross Jenkins says...

SAHornet wrote:
PembsHornet wrote:
5 minutes of injury time?? You almost get the feeling that refs are told to give the other side every chance to beat us!! It's as if the FA don't like what's happening to our club and don't want us to succeed but it's fine for billionaires to purchase premier league clubs and spend hundreds of millions in an attempt to buy success!!
Great result but disappointing to have given up 2 points so close to the end but we were under the most intense pressure and most teams would have cracked too.

Pembs, to answer your question about the 5 mins of added time, the reason for this is that we do not disguise the fact that we blatantly waste time by kicking the ball away, strolling off at a snail's pace when substituted, feigning injury etc etc. This invites the fourth official to add loads of extra time so to some extent, we bring this on ourselves. We've got to cut down on the cheating imho. Night night all.
There did seem to be rather too much gamesmanship on our part. If we concentrated on keeping the ball, we may fare slightly better!
[quote][p][bold]SAHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PembsHornet[/bold] wrote: 5 minutes of injury time?? You almost get the feeling that refs are told to give the other side every chance to beat us!! It's as if the FA don't like what's happening to our club and don't want us to succeed but it's fine for billionaires to purchase premier league clubs and spend hundreds of millions in an attempt to buy success!![/p][/quote]Great result but disappointing to have given up 2 points so close to the end but we were under the most intense pressure and most teams would have cracked too. Pembs, to answer your question about the 5 mins of added time, the reason for this is that we do not disguise the fact that we blatantly waste time by kicking the ball away, strolling off at a snail's pace when substituted, feigning injury etc etc. This invites the fourth official to add loads of extra time so to some extent, we bring this on ourselves. We've got to cut down on the cheating imho. Night night all.[/p][/quote]There did seem to be rather too much gamesmanship on our part. If we concentrated on keeping the ball, we may fare slightly better! Only 2 Ross Jenkins

12:17pm Sun 9 Feb 14

Goldenboy1960 says...

JohnnyBarnes wrote:
Sannino: STOP taking Fessi off when we're leading and bringing defenders on.
YOU ARE INVITING TROUBLE!!

Stop trying to fix what isn't broken!!
I agree that we lose the threat attacking which keeps more of their defenders at the back. I know Anya was pushed up but Fessi is playing well and is confident. Lets keep him that way. Same happened at Forest after Fessi was taken off. Perhaps it is the Italian mentality to defend first?

Bepe has done well but in my opinion still has much to learn about our game.
[quote][p][bold]JohnnyBarnes[/bold] wrote: Sannino: STOP taking Fessi off when we're leading and bringing defenders on. YOU ARE INVITING TROUBLE!! Stop trying to fix what isn't broken!![/p][/quote]I agree that we lose the threat attacking which keeps more of their defenders at the back. I know Anya was pushed up but Fessi is playing well and is confident. Lets keep him that way. Same happened at Forest after Fessi was taken off. Perhaps it is the Italian mentality to defend first? Bepe has done well but in my opinion still has much to learn about our game. Goldenboy1960

12:32pm Sun 9 Feb 14

Boosey says...

Boosey wrote:
Great point.
15k regular Watford supporters would have taken a point before the game, I state great point and seven divs vote me down.
[quote][p][bold]Boosey[/bold] wrote: Great point.[/p][/quote]15k regular Watford supporters would have taken a point before the game, I state great point and seven divs vote me down. Boosey

12:38pm Sun 9 Feb 14

Goldenboy1960 says...

WessexLad wrote:
Once again Sannino takes off a forward for a back, and invites the opposition to come at us. Game management is important, but it can only succeed if you have enough players in midfield to keep possession. And with Leicester pushing up, there was always the chance of a breakaway to put the game to bed.

I think we have the makings of a very good team that could yet make the play-offs, but only if we kill teams off when we have the chance.
After 28 games last season having just won 3-0 at Forest, we were in 4th position with 49 points, 14 points better than this season. We have lost the same number of games, 9. Obviously this season we have drawn more than we have won in comparison.

In terms of goals we have scored 42 and conceded 37 as opposed to scoring 56 and conceding 37 at this stage last season.

So it is quite clear and despite all the issues we have faced this season with players coming and going and of course losing our best players (departed and injured) and a change of manager, it comes down to us not scoring enough goals to turn draws into wins.

Getting that balance and consistency has been the issue this season. We ended up losing another 6 games last season so this season can we lose less games and turn those draws into wins?

My opinion is that we need some consistency in selection and to get a stable side with players coming in only when others are injured. For me a strange decision to leave out Fitz Hall who I believe would have added some real steel and mental strength in the 2nd half.

But nevertheless a good and improved performance yesterday. One game at a time and to see if we can build some momentum going into our last 18 games. It will be interesting to see which way it goes now?

One thing is that it is never dull at Watford.
[quote][p][bold]WessexLad[/bold] wrote: Once again Sannino takes off a forward for a back, and invites the opposition to come at us. Game management is important, but it can only succeed if you have enough players in midfield to keep possession. And with Leicester pushing up, there was always the chance of a breakaway to put the game to bed. I think we have the makings of a very good team that could yet make the play-offs, but only if we kill teams off when we have the chance.[/p][/quote]After 28 games last season having just won 3-0 at Forest, we were in 4th position with 49 points, 14 points better than this season. We have lost the same number of games, 9. Obviously this season we have drawn more than we have won in comparison. In terms of goals we have scored 42 and conceded 37 as opposed to scoring 56 and conceding 37 at this stage last season. So it is quite clear and despite all the issues we have faced this season with players coming and going and of course losing our best players (departed and injured) and a change of manager, it comes down to us not scoring enough goals to turn draws into wins. Getting that balance and consistency has been the issue this season. We ended up losing another 6 games last season so this season can we lose less games and turn those draws into wins? My opinion is that we need some consistency in selection and to get a stable side with players coming in only when others are injured. For me a strange decision to leave out Fitz Hall who I believe would have added some real steel and mental strength in the 2nd half. But nevertheless a good and improved performance yesterday. One game at a time and to see if we can build some momentum going into our last 18 games. It will be interesting to see which way it goes now? One thing is that it is never dull at Watford. Goldenboy1960

1:09pm Sun 9 Feb 14

anywayasiwasaying says...

JohnnyBarnes wrote:
anywayasiwasaying wrote:
Hornankey wrote:
Lesson 101 in keeping a lead desperately required for manager and team. It has happened too often to be put down to bad luck.
A point at Leicester, the best team in the division and on a long winning streak, is an outstanding result. Instead of all of the expert opinion on here about keeping a lead and last minute goals, perhaps we ought to give credit to Beppe for setting the team up to cope with a team that have had their own way with most teams in the division. Why just focus on being beaten in the 95th minute, it was a worldy by the way, and going on about subbing a defender for a forward, playing a back four and the rest, why not give credit to the lads for the other 94 minutes where they slugged it out with the table toppers. I'm like everyone else, frustrated and gutted by not getting the win, but I'm also a realist and I'll take a point at Leicester any day and particularly in the current circumstances. Just on a final point Fitz was sent on because Leicester were launching it into the box, and if DD hadn't caught one flush, the tactic would have worked. Last word to that nice Mr Pearson 'But you have got to give Watford credit. I thought their game plan was thorough and they didn't allow us too much space behind their defenders'......and he knows what he is talking about.
Point taken... obviously a draw at the runaway leaders is a good result; on paper, before the game

but all I think that a few people (myself included) are saying on here is that if we're capable of going two up at Man City, two up against a good Forest side and two up away against a team who were on the back of a ridiculous number of straight wins, then we should be setting our sights a little higher than being grateful for a draw. I mean it as a compliment!

I wouldn't swap our squad for Leicester's - no way - and I think that our boys, set up right, are capable of beating anyone in this division.
Given that, we're entitled to think that if three games running we take off a striker for a defender is making the same mistake three times and doing our boys a massive disservice. You might not think it's a big move, but to have no outlet puts so much pressure on the boys at the back, conceding is inevitable. Clear it and it'll just come straight back in!

I just want Sannino to have a bit of confidence in our players that 2-1 up away at Leicester, or Forest, or City, is not a massive deal - we're very capable of doing that, and I don't see it as a surprise - so let's go for another goal! Attack is the best form of defence an' all that.

But that said, it's early days for him and the way he sets us up for at least 65/70 minutes every week has given me real confidence in him. If we don't make it this season, I believe we'll make it next.
We agree on a number of points Johhny but on some we don't. Fitz was only on the pitch for 10 minutes, including the injury time, and up to that point we had conceded just the one goal, proof that the game plan was working. But when the ball is launched in to the box and the momentum builds, as it always does from the home team in the closing stages, it's decision time and most managers would bring on a big fella to head the ball away and take off a forward. Just unfortunate that the ball fell to DD who has probably never connected with a ball the way he did yesterday. Most days he whacks it over the bar, we win and what a great day...small margins and we lost out. Have to say that Fitz for me is one of the first names on the team sheet and can't help wondering if there were fitness issues yesterday. No one is happy when a lead is given away but I still maintain it was an excellent point against the odds and one more point than most teams, including us at home where we were totally outplayed, have achieved against a top team. Despite the setback I believe the lads will take confidence from the overall display and turn on a performance against .Boro
[quote][p][bold]JohnnyBarnes[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]anywayasiwasaying[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hornankey[/bold] wrote: Lesson 101 in keeping a lead desperately required for manager and team. It has happened too often to be put down to bad luck.[/p][/quote]A point at Leicester, the best team in the division and on a long winning streak, is an outstanding result. Instead of all of the expert opinion on here about keeping a lead and last minute goals, perhaps we ought to give credit to Beppe for setting the team up to cope with a team that have had their own way with most teams in the division. Why just focus on being beaten in the 95th minute, it was a worldy by the way, and going on about subbing a defender for a forward, playing a back four and the rest, why not give credit to the lads for the other 94 minutes where they slugged it out with the table toppers. I'm like everyone else, frustrated and gutted by not getting the win, but I'm also a realist and I'll take a point at Leicester any day and particularly in the current circumstances. Just on a final point Fitz was sent on because Leicester were launching it into the box, and if DD hadn't caught one flush, the tactic would have worked. Last word to that nice Mr Pearson 'But you have got to give Watford credit. I thought their game plan was thorough and they didn't allow us too much space behind their defenders'......and he knows what he is talking about.[/p][/quote]Point taken... obviously a draw at the runaway leaders is a good result; on paper, before the game but all I think that a few people (myself included) are saying on here is that if we're capable of going two up at Man City, two up against a good Forest side and two up away against a team who were on the back of a ridiculous number of straight wins, then we should be setting our sights a little higher than being grateful for a draw. I mean it as a compliment! I wouldn't swap our squad for Leicester's - no way - and I think that our boys, set up right, are capable of beating anyone in this division. Given that, we're entitled to think that if three games running we take off a striker for a defender is making the same mistake three times and doing our boys a massive disservice. You might not think it's a big move, but to have no outlet puts so much pressure on the boys at the back, conceding is inevitable. Clear it and it'll just come straight back in! I just want Sannino to have a bit of confidence in our players that 2-1 up away at Leicester, or Forest, or City, is not a massive deal - we're very capable of doing that, and I don't see it as a surprise - so let's go for another goal! Attack is the best form of defence an' all that. But that said, it's early days for him and the way he sets us up for at least 65/70 minutes every week has given me real confidence in him. If we don't make it this season, I believe we'll make it next.[/p][/quote]We agree on a number of points Johhny but on some we don't. Fitz was only on the pitch for 10 minutes, including the injury time, and up to that point we had conceded just the one goal, proof that the game plan was working. But when the ball is launched in to the box and the momentum builds, as it always does from the home team in the closing stages, it's decision time and most managers would bring on a big fella to head the ball away and take off a forward. Just unfortunate that the ball fell to DD who has probably never connected with a ball the way he did yesterday. Most days he whacks it over the bar, we win and what a great day...small margins and we lost out. Have to say that Fitz for me is one of the first names on the team sheet and can't help wondering if there were fitness issues yesterday. No one is happy when a lead is given away but I still maintain it was an excellent point against the odds and one more point than most teams, including us at home where we were totally outplayed, have achieved against a top team. Despite the setback I believe the lads will take confidence from the overall display and turn on a performance against .Boro anywayasiwasaying

1:19pm Sun 9 Feb 14

VOReason says...

Goldenboy1960 wrote:
WessexLad wrote:
Once again Sannino takes off a forward for a back, and invites the opposition to come at us. Game management is important, but it can only succeed if you have enough players in midfield to keep possession. And with Leicester pushing up, there was always the chance of a breakaway to put the game to bed.

I think we have the makings of a very good team that could yet make the play-offs, but only if we kill teams off when we have the chance.
After 28 games last season having just won 3-0 at Forest, we were in 4th position with 49 points, 14 points better than this season. We have lost the same number of games, 9. Obviously this season we have drawn more than we have won in comparison.

In terms of goals we have scored 42 and conceded 37 as opposed to scoring 56 and conceding 37 at this stage last season.

So it is quite clear and despite all the issues we have faced this season with players coming and going and of course losing our best players (departed and injured) and a change of manager, it comes down to us not scoring enough goals to turn draws into wins.

Getting that balance and consistency has been the issue this season. We ended up losing another 6 games last season so this season can we lose less games and turn those draws into wins?

My opinion is that we need some consistency in selection and to get a stable side with players coming in only when others are injured. For me a strange decision to leave out Fitz Hall who I believe would have added some real steel and mental strength in the 2nd half.

But nevertheless a good and improved performance yesterday. One game at a time and to see if we can build some momentum going into our last 18 games. It will be interesting to see which way it goes now?

One thing is that it is never dull at Watford.
Just going off your maths we were poor from mid February onwards last year ... Last 18 games we got 28 points

Meaning 42 points would see us finish the same (14 wins out of 18)

Targeting 68 points and hoping its enough is more realistic. That was last years 6th place although league is slightly more stretched this year so bar may be slightly higher.

33 points or 11 wins has to be the minimum.


For the doom mongers 55 points was safe last year so we are 20 away but I reckon 50 will be plenty this season as there are 3/4 really poor sides
[quote][p][bold]Goldenboy1960[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WessexLad[/bold] wrote: Once again Sannino takes off a forward for a back, and invites the opposition to come at us. Game management is important, but it can only succeed if you have enough players in midfield to keep possession. And with Leicester pushing up, there was always the chance of a breakaway to put the game to bed. I think we have the makings of a very good team that could yet make the play-offs, but only if we kill teams off when we have the chance.[/p][/quote]After 28 games last season having just won 3-0 at Forest, we were in 4th position with 49 points, 14 points better than this season. We have lost the same number of games, 9. Obviously this season we have drawn more than we have won in comparison. In terms of goals we have scored 42 and conceded 37 as opposed to scoring 56 and conceding 37 at this stage last season. So it is quite clear and despite all the issues we have faced this season with players coming and going and of course losing our best players (departed and injured) and a change of manager, it comes down to us not scoring enough goals to turn draws into wins. Getting that balance and consistency has been the issue this season. We ended up losing another 6 games last season so this season can we lose less games and turn those draws into wins? My opinion is that we need some consistency in selection and to get a stable side with players coming in only when others are injured. For me a strange decision to leave out Fitz Hall who I believe would have added some real steel and mental strength in the 2nd half. But nevertheless a good and improved performance yesterday. One game at a time and to see if we can build some momentum going into our last 18 games. It will be interesting to see which way it goes now? One thing is that it is never dull at Watford.[/p][/quote]Just going off your maths we were poor from mid February onwards last year ... Last 18 games we got 28 points Meaning 42 points would see us finish the same (14 wins out of 18) Targeting 68 points and hoping its enough is more realistic. That was last years 6th place although league is slightly more stretched this year so bar may be slightly higher. 33 points or 11 wins has to be the minimum. For the doom mongers 55 points was safe last year so we are 20 away but I reckon 50 will be plenty this season as there are 3/4 really poor sides VOReason

3:24pm Sun 9 Feb 14

mickallen57 says...

My goodness we have much to be up beat about. I said before the match that we can beat anyone in this league . We should have beaten Leicester ,but didn't ,it is disappointing but that's football.Any of us would have taken this result before the match. If you take the positives ( and there art many) if you are you are accused of being a happy clapper.

I am not a happy clapper, wearing rose tinted glasses. I am a realist but I do see a team that can beat anyone in the championship. I see a talented hard working team that for all the new faces is beginning to gel . I see a manager that is tactically aware , owners who want us to succeed not what they take can get out. .
I believe we are a great team in the making, we will do it,( maybe not this season) and in style. We are all suffering from our expectation level after the playoffs . The Pozzo dream will come true yes it will need tweeks here and there but we will be up there playing in the prem. If that's happy clapping or rose tinted glasses then great . COYH
My goodness we have much to be up beat about. I said before the match that we can beat anyone in this league . We should have beaten Leicester ,but didn't ,it is disappointing but that's football.Any of us would have taken this result before the match. If you take the positives ( and there art many) if you are you are accused of being a happy clapper. I am not a happy clapper, wearing rose tinted glasses. I am a realist but I do see a team that can beat anyone in the championship. I see a talented hard working team that for all the new faces is beginning to gel . I see a manager that is tactically aware , owners who want us to succeed not what they take can get out. . I believe we are a great team in the making, we will do it,( maybe not this season) and in style. We are all suffering from our expectation level after the playoffs . The Pozzo dream will come true yes it will need tweeks here and there but we will be up there playing in the prem. If that's happy clapping or rose tinted glasses then great . COYH mickallen57

5:30pm Sun 9 Feb 14

gloryhornet4 says...

Some silly comments on Leicester Mercury site. Not word for word -

"Watford parked their bus in midfield."

"We need to buy for the Premiership as Watford are poor this season and we could not win (only one striker) with 70% of the play".

First comment - 2-0 up and 31% of play in the first half.

Second comment - If a poor side goes 2-0 in your park think what the Premiership will do to you.
Some silly comments on Leicester Mercury site. Not word for word - "Watford parked their bus in midfield." "We need to buy for the Premiership as Watford are poor this season and we could not win (only one striker) with 70% of the play". First comment - 2-0 up and 31% of play in the first half. Second comment - If a poor side goes 2-0 in your park think what the Premiership will do to you. gloryhornet4

5:39pm Sun 9 Feb 14

gloryhornet4 says...

SAHornet wrote:
WJames wrote:
Nordin's Hooter wrote:
Fantastic Result, yes frustrating to let in the late goal but great foundation to build on from the last two games, onwards and upwards .
Giuseppe the Beppe's Yellow Army !
Nordin, you are a mug. Explain how winning 2-0 to nearly losing 3-2 in the last minute is a 'Fantastic result' - a mistake the team don't learn from time and time again. I can tell a lot about you just from your comment son. Pathetic.
Uncalled for WJames. Come back when you've calmed down a bit, eh?
May I arbitrate your dispute gentlemen.

Nordin - I find in your favour.

WJames - Take up yoga/meditation - go on a retreat.
[quote][p][bold]SAHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WJames[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nordin's Hooter[/bold] wrote: Fantastic Result, yes frustrating to let in the late goal but great foundation to build on from the last two games, onwards and upwards . Giuseppe the Beppe's Yellow Army ![/p][/quote]Nordin, you are a mug. Explain how winning 2-0 to nearly losing 3-2 in the last minute is a 'Fantastic result' - a mistake the team don't learn from time and time again. I can tell a lot about you just from your comment son. Pathetic.[/p][/quote]Uncalled for WJames. Come back when you've calmed down a bit, eh?[/p][/quote]May I arbitrate your dispute gentlemen. Nordin - I find in your favour. WJames - Take up yoga/meditation - go on a retreat. gloryhornet4

5:55pm Sun 9 Feb 14

StewartScullion says...

PembsHornet wrote:
There are some teal cretins on this site, look at the amount of negative scores to sensible comments. Yes this season has been frustrating and yes we should have won today and yes it's even more annoying that we always seem to concede late in games but with so many changes in the team this year did we all expect auto promotion? Sannino is still adapting and trying to make the team gel, hopefully this will put us in a better position for a real promotion push next year. I think we all need to be a little more patient and believe me I was seething earlier after seeing Leicester score on the live feed but arguing between ourselves won't help anyone!
Good post.Agree with all the points made.
[quote][p][bold]PembsHornet[/bold] wrote: There are some teal cretins on this site, look at the amount of negative scores to sensible comments. Yes this season has been frustrating and yes we should have won today and yes it's even more annoying that we always seem to concede late in games but with so many changes in the team this year did we all expect auto promotion? Sannino is still adapting and trying to make the team gel, hopefully this will put us in a better position for a real promotion push next year. I think we all need to be a little more patient and believe me I was seething earlier after seeing Leicester score on the live feed but arguing between ourselves won't help anyone![/p][/quote]Good post.Agree with all the points made. StewartScullion

8:49am Mon 10 Feb 14

Goldenboy1960 says...

VOReason wrote:
Goldenboy1960 wrote:
WessexLad wrote:
Once again Sannino takes off a forward for a back, and invites the opposition to come at us. Game management is important, but it can only succeed if you have enough players in midfield to keep possession. And with Leicester pushing up, there was always the chance of a breakaway to put the game to bed.

I think we have the makings of a very good team that could yet make the play-offs, but only if we kill teams off when we have the chance.
After 28 games last season having just won 3-0 at Forest, we were in 4th position with 49 points, 14 points better than this season. We have lost the same number of games, 9. Obviously this season we have drawn more than we have won in comparison.

In terms of goals we have scored 42 and conceded 37 as opposed to scoring 56 and conceding 37 at this stage last season.

So it is quite clear and despite all the issues we have faced this season with players coming and going and of course losing our best players (departed and injured) and a change of manager, it comes down to us not scoring enough goals to turn draws into wins.

Getting that balance and consistency has been the issue this season. We ended up losing another 6 games last season so this season can we lose less games and turn those draws into wins?

My opinion is that we need some consistency in selection and to get a stable side with players coming in only when others are injured. For me a strange decision to leave out Fitz Hall who I believe would have added some real steel and mental strength in the 2nd half.

But nevertheless a good and improved performance yesterday. One game at a time and to see if we can build some momentum going into our last 18 games. It will be interesting to see which way it goes now?

One thing is that it is never dull at Watford.
Just going off your maths we were poor from mid February onwards last year ... Last 18 games we got 28 points

Meaning 42 points would see us finish the same (14 wins out of 18)

Targeting 68 points and hoping its enough is more realistic. That was last years 6th place although league is slightly more stretched this year so bar may be slightly higher.

33 points or 11 wins has to be the minimum.


For the doom mongers 55 points was safe last year so we are 20 away but I reckon 50 will be plenty this season as there are 3/4 really poor sides
Your comments I agree with and it will be hard to achieve, but it is the facts.

We don't have to finish 3rd.

We do have to get a momentum going with a strong finish. Opposite to last season.

We need to turn draws into wins by taking our chances. We need to lose less than 6 games to make up the shortfall of points.

If we can make the top 6 we have to go in on a bubble of enthusiasm, desire
and confidence.

But my point is that given all the negative things that have happened this season not a lot has changed apart from the fact that we are not scoring or have not scored the goals needed. That could totally change.
[quote][p][bold]VOReason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Goldenboy1960[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WessexLad[/bold] wrote: Once again Sannino takes off a forward for a back, and invites the opposition to come at us. Game management is important, but it can only succeed if you have enough players in midfield to keep possession. And with Leicester pushing up, there was always the chance of a breakaway to put the game to bed. I think we have the makings of a very good team that could yet make the play-offs, but only if we kill teams off when we have the chance.[/p][/quote]After 28 games last season having just won 3-0 at Forest, we were in 4th position with 49 points, 14 points better than this season. We have lost the same number of games, 9. Obviously this season we have drawn more than we have won in comparison. In terms of goals we have scored 42 and conceded 37 as opposed to scoring 56 and conceding 37 at this stage last season. So it is quite clear and despite all the issues we have faced this season with players coming and going and of course losing our best players (departed and injured) and a change of manager, it comes down to us not scoring enough goals to turn draws into wins. Getting that balance and consistency has been the issue this season. We ended up losing another 6 games last season so this season can we lose less games and turn those draws into wins? My opinion is that we need some consistency in selection and to get a stable side with players coming in only when others are injured. For me a strange decision to leave out Fitz Hall who I believe would have added some real steel and mental strength in the 2nd half. But nevertheless a good and improved performance yesterday. One game at a time and to see if we can build some momentum going into our last 18 games. It will be interesting to see which way it goes now? One thing is that it is never dull at Watford.[/p][/quote]Just going off your maths we were poor from mid February onwards last year ... Last 18 games we got 28 points Meaning 42 points would see us finish the same (14 wins out of 18) Targeting 68 points and hoping its enough is more realistic. That was last years 6th place although league is slightly more stretched this year so bar may be slightly higher. 33 points or 11 wins has to be the minimum. For the doom mongers 55 points was safe last year so we are 20 away but I reckon 50 will be plenty this season as there are 3/4 really poor sides[/p][/quote]Your comments I agree with and it will be hard to achieve, but it is the facts. We don't have to finish 3rd. We do have to get a momentum going with a strong finish. Opposite to last season. We need to turn draws into wins by taking our chances. We need to lose less than 6 games to make up the shortfall of points. If we can make the top 6 we have to go in on a bubble of enthusiasm, desire and confidence. But my point is that given all the negative things that have happened this season not a lot has changed apart from the fact that we are not scoring or have not scored the goals needed. That could totally change. Goldenboy1960

11:56am Mon 10 Feb 14

Kismet110 says...

I would back a manager trying to shore up a game against a very good side away from home, however what I wouldn't back is if it patently didn't work twice before in recent games only for him to then try it for a third time!

Say what you like this is poor management especially from somone who has been doing it for 17 years and not a rookie by any stretch.

Four points and a lucrative replay blown in 2 short weeks by the SAME tactical blunder is hard to fathom and, if Brighton had not had a goal disallowed, I'm sure that would have been the same scenario.

Overall I'm upbeat but that's more to do with the off-field positives. On the pitch it's gone from frustrating and depressing under Zola to frustrating and baffling under Sannino.

Early days manager wise and here's hoping he's finally worked out that we are repeating the same mistake!
I would back a manager trying to shore up a game against a very good side away from home, however what I wouldn't back is if it patently didn't work twice before in recent games only for him to then try it for a third time! Say what you like this is poor management especially from somone who has been doing it for 17 years and not a rookie by any stretch. Four points and a lucrative replay blown in 2 short weeks by the SAME tactical blunder is hard to fathom and, if Brighton had not had a goal disallowed, I'm sure that would have been the same scenario. Overall I'm upbeat but that's more to do with the off-field positives. On the pitch it's gone from frustrating and depressing under Zola to frustrating and baffling under Sannino. Early days manager wise and here's hoping he's finally worked out that we are repeating the same mistake! Kismet110

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