Watford boss Beppe Sannino believes Hornets could have killed Leicester City off in 2-2 draw at King Power Stadium

Watford Observer: Watford head coach Beppe Sannino. Picture: Action Images Watford head coach Beppe Sannino. Picture: Action Images

Hornets head coach Beppe Sannino believes Watford could have killed off Leicester City in the 2-2 draw at the King Power Stadium but insists his team put in a “very, very good performance”.

The Golden Boys were 2-0 up against the league leaders in the first half thanks to goals from Fernando Forestieri and Sean Murray but Matty James pulled a goal back before the break and Danny Drinkwater equalised deep into injury time.

The Hornets created a handful of dangerous counter-attacks, particularly in the second half, but were unable to execute the final pass to put the game to bed.

“The second half was a different game,” Sannino said. “We know Leicester have a lot of good qualities at home so we expected them to come back strong.

“Don't forget in the second half we had very good chances to kill off the game.”

He continued: “It was a very, very good performance against a team that was on a good run with nine wins in a row, against a great club and I think we caused them a lot of problems today.

“To come here and have the chance to kill off the game against a team with as much quality as Leicester gives us some positives.”

It is the third time in four matches Watford have thrown away a two-goal advantage with the other occasions resulting in 4-2 losses at Manchester City and Nottingham Forest.

“I have belonged to the football world for a long time now and when you feel disappointed, you have to realise there always two sides to the coin,” Sannino explained.

“You can see the game either as a game half lost or a game half won.”

The Italian boss kept faith with the 3-5-2 formation that had worked in the victory over Brighton & Hove Albion last weekend and said he wanted to contain Leicester’s pace in attack.

“We always play like that - I joined a club that was already playing under Gianfranco Zola with the same tactics,” he said.

“To play against a team with a good pace and with players as quick as Leicester, it was important to prevent them from having space in behind.”

Sannino played Marco Cassetti at the centre of the back three in place of Fitz Hall, who was left on the bench.

The Watford head coach gave an explanation for his decision which will be uploaded tomorrow morning.

For Leicester City manager Nigel Pearson's reaction to the match, click here.

To read the match report from Watford's 2-2 draw against the Foxes click here.

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8:11pm Sat 8 Feb 14

WJames says...

So why didn't you kill them off Sannino? Spineless again - your mentally inept players and your tactics to 'consolidate' leads are laughable. Casetti for Hall - explain yourself publicly you fool. You learn from your mistakes to get better in anything you do and time after time the same mistake is made by the team. It's criminal. Being 2-0 up to almost losing (or losing as we've seen) against anyone is shocking and not good enough. No excuses. Anyone who thinks this is a good result should question their idea of ambition.
So why didn't you kill them off Sannino? Spineless again - your mentally inept players and your tactics to 'consolidate' leads are laughable. Casetti for Hall - explain yourself publicly you fool. You learn from your mistakes to get better in anything you do and time after time the same mistake is made by the team. It's criminal. Being 2-0 up to almost losing (or losing as we've seen) against anyone is shocking and not good enough. No excuses. Anyone who thinks this is a good result should question their idea of ambition. WJames

8:28pm Sat 8 Feb 14

WJames says...

-3, you poor poor, unambitious people. Leicester, Forest, Middlesbrough, Man City, Norwich, Bristol City - just this season. Shall we continue?
-3, you poor poor, unambitious people. Leicester, Forest, Middlesbrough, Man City, Norwich, Bristol City - just this season. Shall we continue? WJames

8:30pm Sat 8 Feb 14

AngelHornet says...

it just shows we are capable of living with some of the better teams, but need to think about how to close games out when we get a lead.
On a defensive note I believe we need to try and get some continuity, so finding a settled back 3 or 4 is IMO a way forward.
it just shows we are capable of living with some of the better teams, but need to think about how to close games out when we get a lead. On a defensive note I believe we need to try and get some continuity, so finding a settled back 3 or 4 is IMO a way forward. AngelHornet

8:32pm Sat 8 Feb 14

Hornankey says...

So why don't we ever play badly and win for a change?
So why don't we ever play badly and win for a change? Hornankey

8:49pm Sat 8 Feb 14

bigdave8 says...

Wjames what an utter tnuc you are . What do you know about ambition ?. Getting all five stars next to your name working at mcdonalds is my bet ??What fan in the whole championship wouldn't have taken a draw in our postion at 3pm today. Draw away to the league leaders who have won the last nine games is a great result . Well done and great effort to the players and the fantastic 800 who went .
Wjames what an utter tnuc you are . What do you know about ambition ?. Getting all five stars next to your name working at mcdonalds is my bet ??What fan in the whole championship wouldn't have taken a draw in our postion at 3pm today. Draw away to the league leaders who have won the last nine games is a great result . Well done and great effort to the players and the fantastic 800 who went . bigdave8

8:56pm Sat 8 Feb 14

JohnnyBarnes says...

Reasons to be concerned:

I can only think of one, and that is the persisting with swapping forwards for defenders when we're winning, inviting pressure on ourselves and finding that the same thing happens. I could forgive it at Forest, because you could argue that Man City only came back into things the game before because they've got such good players... but three times in a fortnight? I hope Sannino finally learns from it. If Fessi's tired, throw on Ranegie or Park - but please don't change the system!

Reasons to be cheerful:

We really are starting to play well. This guy's only half a dozen games in, and considering the run we were on when he took over, this is (I think) as good as we could have expected in the short term
Also, the same big players are starting to play every week now. Deeney and Fessi, Battocchio, Toszer, Ekstrand, Angella, Almunia, Anya, Murray... these guys (Toszer aside) should have been playing every week already, but at least they are now.

I still don't think it's too late to mount a play-off charge, but even if we don't - I'm more sure now that we'll have a good season next season than I was a dozen games ago.
Reasons to be concerned: I can only think of one, and that is the persisting with swapping forwards for defenders when we're winning, inviting pressure on ourselves and finding that the same thing happens. I could forgive it at Forest, because you could argue that Man City only came back into things the game before because they've got such good players... but three times in a fortnight? I hope Sannino finally learns from it. If Fessi's tired, throw on Ranegie or Park - but please don't change the system! Reasons to be cheerful: We really are starting to play well. This guy's only half a dozen games in, and considering the run we were on when he took over, this is (I think) as good as we could have expected in the short term Also, the same big players are starting to play every week now. Deeney and Fessi, Battocchio, Toszer, Ekstrand, Angella, Almunia, Anya, Murray... these guys (Toszer aside) should have been playing every week already, but at least they are now. I still don't think it's too late to mount a play-off charge, but even if we don't - I'm more sure now that we'll have a good season next season than I was a dozen games ago. JohnnyBarnes

8:57pm Sat 8 Feb 14

Drewoneone says...

Uche Ikpeazu (on loan from Watford) scored twice for Crewe in his first full game today. Just thought I would mention something vaguely positive after such a "poor" result today according to some dimwits on this site.

Some posters should check their blood pressure before they explode. I am probably going to get labelled with being a "happy clapper" (whatever that means) as some of the school children on this site say.

We have just put an end to a 9 winning game run by the nailed on certs to be in the Prem next season - on their own patch. We played positive football throughout, but also rode our luck as Leicester missed some sitters. We could have gone at least 3 up as well. That is football boys, grow up and do your homework before bedtime.

Great shame and very careless, however, to let it slip so late. Gavin Mahon was co-commentator on Hornet Player today and he was mortified that we didn't see the game out in time added on. He talked about "managing the game" as we did in Aidy Boothroyd's time. He may be persona non grata now but I can't remember too many two goal leads being allowed to slip in his era. Perhaps Gav has still got Aidy's mobile number and can put Beppe in touch?
Uche Ikpeazu (on loan from Watford) scored twice for Crewe in his first full game today. Just thought I would mention something vaguely positive after such a "poor" result today according to some dimwits on this site. Some posters should check their blood pressure before they explode. I am probably going to get labelled with being a "happy clapper" (whatever that means) as some of the school children on this site say. We have just put an end to a 9 winning game run by the nailed on certs to be in the Prem next season - on their own patch. We played positive football throughout, but also rode our luck as Leicester missed some sitters. We could have gone at least 3 up as well. That is football boys, grow up and do your homework before bedtime. Great shame and very careless, however, to let it slip so late. Gavin Mahon was co-commentator on Hornet Player today and he was mortified that we didn't see the game out in time added on. He talked about "managing the game" as we did in Aidy Boothroyd's time. He may be persona non grata now but I can't remember too many two goal leads being allowed to slip in his era. Perhaps Gav has still got Aidy's mobile number and can put Beppe in touch? Drewoneone

9:22pm Sat 8 Feb 14

Coshamhorn says...

im a cosham horn doing my coaching badges then jumping from youth modules as the f a require not sure of the rules in if a coach comes from say Italy has he had the same path as an English coach as james bettie has been fined 20 thousand as he hasn't the badges that are needed to be a manager ,
im a cosham horn doing my coaching badges then jumping from youth modules as the f a require not sure of the rules in if a coach comes from say Italy has he had the same path as an English coach as james bettie has been fined 20 thousand as he hasn't the badges that are needed to be a manager , Coshamhorn

10:05pm Sat 8 Feb 14

Only 2 Ross Jenkins says...

WJames wrote:
So why didn't you kill them off Sannino? Spineless again - your mentally inept players and your tactics to 'consolidate' leads are laughable. Casetti for Hall - explain yourself publicly you fool. You learn from your mistakes to get better in anything you do and time after time the same mistake is made by the team. It's criminal. Being 2-0 up to almost losing (or losing as we've seen) against anyone is shocking and not good enough. No excuses. Anyone who thinks this is a good result should question their idea of ambition.
Meanwhile, back in the real world...
[quote][p][bold]WJames[/bold] wrote: So why didn't you kill them off Sannino? Spineless again - your mentally inept players and your tactics to 'consolidate' leads are laughable. Casetti for Hall - explain yourself publicly you fool. You learn from your mistakes to get better in anything you do and time after time the same mistake is made by the team. It's criminal. Being 2-0 up to almost losing (or losing as we've seen) against anyone is shocking and not good enough. No excuses. Anyone who thinks this is a good result should question their idea of ambition.[/p][/quote]Meanwhile, back in the real world... Only 2 Ross Jenkins

10:11pm Sat 8 Feb 14

micksolly says...

I was at the game and great support from the travelling fans and so close to a great result. I was a bit surprised that the beard and Murray started ahead of Hall and Murray and big chance at 2 -1 for Fessi. I also feel that if we had put the ball out of play when Botochio got injured we could have seen the game out but as they say that's football and it's a good point... You orns
I was at the game and great support from the travelling fans and so close to a great result. I was a bit surprised that the beard and Murray started ahead of Hall and Murray and big chance at 2 -1 for Fessi. I also feel that if we had put the ball out of play when Botochio got injured we could have seen the game out but as they say that's football and it's a good point... You orns micksolly

10:14pm Sat 8 Feb 14

Hornet Cornet says...

Not so many weeks ago, Leicester would've beaten us 4-0 and we would've been happy it wasn't by more than that. Now we're disappointed not to have beaten them. Even though we didn't win and we surrendered another 2 goal lead, it shows that we are starting to think more positively.

COYH

HC
Not so many weeks ago, Leicester would've beaten us 4-0 and we would've been happy it wasn't by more than that. Now we're disappointed not to have beaten them. Even though we didn't win and we surrendered another 2 goal lead, it shows that we are starting to think more positively. COYH HC Hornet Cornet

10:14pm Sat 8 Feb 14

micksolly says...

Oops I meant Murray starting ahead of Merkel :-)
Oops I meant Murray starting ahead of Merkel :-) micksolly

10:44pm Sat 8 Feb 14

Hornankey says...

Hornet Cornet wrote:
Not so many weeks ago, Leicester would've beaten us 4-0 and we would've been happy it wasn't by more than that. Now we're disappointed not to have beaten them. Even though we didn't win and we surrendered another 2 goal lead, it shows that we are starting to think more positively.

COYH

HC
We are now grateful for a point: 2 wins in 17 - not really very positive, is it?
[quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: Not so many weeks ago, Leicester would've beaten us 4-0 and we would've been happy it wasn't by more than that. Now we're disappointed not to have beaten them. Even though we didn't win and we surrendered another 2 goal lead, it shows that we are starting to think more positively. COYH HC[/p][/quote]We are now grateful for a point: 2 wins in 17 - not really very positive, is it? Hornankey

12:03am Sun 9 Feb 14

Hornet Cornet says...

Hornankey wrote:
Hornet Cornet wrote:
Not so many weeks ago, Leicester would've beaten us 4-0 and we would've been happy it wasn't by more than that. Now we're disappointed not to have beaten them. Even though we didn't win and we surrendered another 2 goal lead, it shows that we are starting to think more positively.

COYH

HC
We are now grateful for a point: 2 wins in 17 - not really very positive, is it?
No its absolute rubbish mate and I am usually the first to criticise. All I am saying is that the mindset feels like it's changing even if results don't always reflect it.
[quote][p][bold]Hornankey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: Not so many weeks ago, Leicester would've beaten us 4-0 and we would've been happy it wasn't by more than that. Now we're disappointed not to have beaten them. Even though we didn't win and we surrendered another 2 goal lead, it shows that we are starting to think more positively. COYH HC[/p][/quote]We are now grateful for a point: 2 wins in 17 - not really very positive, is it?[/p][/quote]No its absolute rubbish mate and I am usually the first to criticise. All I am saying is that the mindset feels like it's changing even if results don't always reflect it. Hornet Cornet

12:03am Sun 9 Feb 14

Summer breeze says...

Was at the game today: so proud of the team & so proud to be a singing travelling Hornet! Great game, nail-biting at the end. Well done boys, well done fans! Ticket price @ Leicester extortionate, but so glad I went! (thought before arriving we might get a pasting;betting odds were well against us too). Great job Sannino, looking forward to Tuesday night!
Was at the game today: so proud of the team & so proud to be a singing travelling Hornet! Great game, nail-biting at the end. Well done boys, well done fans! Ticket price @ Leicester extortionate, but so glad I went! (thought before arriving we might get a pasting;betting odds were well against us too). Great job Sannino, looking forward to Tuesday night! Summer breeze

6:56am Sun 9 Feb 14

VOReason says...

Those annoyed hall didn't start ... We were winning before he came on ...

I thought he should have started before the game, but cassetti did well yesterday.

Perhaps hall can only play one full game a week with his injury record and age and perhaps beppe thought we were more likely to win Tuesday ...

Some of our fans just like to moan ...
Those annoyed hall didn't start ... We were winning before he came on ... I thought he should have started before the game, but cassetti did well yesterday. Perhaps hall can only play one full game a week with his injury record and age and perhaps beppe thought we were more likely to win Tuesday ... Some of our fans just like to moan ... VOReason

9:33am Sun 9 Feb 14

Penrice says...

Drewoneone wrote:
Uche Ikpeazu (on loan from Watford) scored twice for Crewe in his first full game today. Just thought I would mention something vaguely positive after such a "poor" result today according to some dimwits on this site.

Some posters should check their blood pressure before they explode. I am probably going to get labelled with being a "happy clapper" (whatever that means) as some of the school children on this site say.

We have just put an end to a 9 winning game run by the nailed on certs to be in the Prem next season - on their own patch. We played positive football throughout, but also rode our luck as Leicester missed some sitters. We could have gone at least 3 up as well. That is football boys, grow up and do your homework before bedtime.

Great shame and very careless, however, to let it slip so late. Gavin Mahon was co-commentator on Hornet Player today and he was mortified that we didn't see the game out in time added on. He talked about "managing the game" as we did in Aidy Boothroyd's time. He may be persona non grata now but I can't remember too many two goal leads being allowed to slip in his era. Perhaps Gav has still got Aidy's mobile number and can put Beppe in touch?
We let bucket loads of late goals in under AB too. In fact I doubt there is a team anywhere in England that can match us at this over the last 10 years.
[quote][p][bold]Drewoneone[/bold] wrote: Uche Ikpeazu (on loan from Watford) scored twice for Crewe in his first full game today. Just thought I would mention something vaguely positive after such a "poor" result today according to some dimwits on this site. Some posters should check their blood pressure before they explode. I am probably going to get labelled with being a "happy clapper" (whatever that means) as some of the school children on this site say. We have just put an end to a 9 winning game run by the nailed on certs to be in the Prem next season - on their own patch. We played positive football throughout, but also rode our luck as Leicester missed some sitters. We could have gone at least 3 up as well. That is football boys, grow up and do your homework before bedtime. Great shame and very careless, however, to let it slip so late. Gavin Mahon was co-commentator on Hornet Player today and he was mortified that we didn't see the game out in time added on. He talked about "managing the game" as we did in Aidy Boothroyd's time. He may be persona non grata now but I can't remember too many two goal leads being allowed to slip in his era. Perhaps Gav has still got Aidy's mobile number and can put Beppe in touch?[/p][/quote]We let bucket loads of late goals in under AB too. In fact I doubt there is a team anywhere in England that can match us at this over the last 10 years. Penrice

10:28am Sun 9 Feb 14

buck-stops says...

WJames wrote:
-3, you poor poor, unambitious people. Leicester, Forest, Middlesbrough, Man City, Norwich, Bristol City - just this season. Shall we continue?
Reading, Forest, Charlton, Doncaster, Huddesfield, Leeds, Ipswich - shall we continue? You see we can all pick out games where we've either come from behind or been pegged back.

You're allowed to be disappointed but lay off saying people are unambitious. The only poverty around was in your original statement.

The fact is that performances are improving, albeit not as fast as we'd all like.
[quote][p][bold]WJames[/bold] wrote: -3, you poor poor, unambitious people. Leicester, Forest, Middlesbrough, Man City, Norwich, Bristol City - just this season. Shall we continue?[/p][/quote]Reading, Forest, Charlton, Doncaster, Huddesfield, Leeds, Ipswich - shall we continue? You see we can all pick out games where we've either come from behind or been pegged back. You're allowed to be disappointed but lay off saying people are unambitious. The only poverty around was in your original statement. The fact is that performances are improving, albeit not as fast as we'd all like. buck-stops

10:44am Sun 9 Feb 14

Hornankey says...

There is an undeniable pattern. We play exceptionally well, carve out a 2 goal lead against strong competitors. Then we sit back naively, yield territory and possession; the fans wait for the inevitable.....and it happens! We clutch defeat (draw) out of the jaws of victory.

IMO it is a mix of bad tactics, poor substitutions and mental fragility. There have been enough (too many!) lessons. It is time for Beppe to prove that he can coach team out this fundamental flaw.
There is an undeniable pattern. We play exceptionally well, carve out a 2 goal lead against strong competitors. Then we sit back naively, yield territory and possession; the fans wait for the inevitable.....and it happens! We clutch defeat (draw) out of the jaws of victory. IMO it is a mix of bad tactics, poor substitutions and mental fragility. There have been enough (too many!) lessons. It is time for Beppe to prove that he can coach team out this fundamental flaw. Hornankey

12:34pm Sun 9 Feb 14

Harrydownunder says...

WJames wrote:
So why didn't you kill them off Sannino? Spineless again - your mentally inept players and your tactics to 'consolidate' leads are laughable. Casetti for Hall - explain yourself publicly you fool. You learn from your mistakes to get better in anything you do and time after time the same mistake is made by the team. It's criminal. Being 2-0 up to almost losing (or losing as we've seen) against anyone is shocking and not good enough. No excuses. Anyone who thinks this is a good result should question their idea of ambition.
Been playing football manager again?
[quote][p][bold]WJames[/bold] wrote: So why didn't you kill them off Sannino? Spineless again - your mentally inept players and your tactics to 'consolidate' leads are laughable. Casetti for Hall - explain yourself publicly you fool. You learn from your mistakes to get better in anything you do and time after time the same mistake is made by the team. It's criminal. Being 2-0 up to almost losing (or losing as we've seen) against anyone is shocking and not good enough. No excuses. Anyone who thinks this is a good result should question their idea of ambition.[/p][/quote]Been playing football manager again? Harrydownunder

1:16pm Sun 9 Feb 14

mellow yellow says...

Hornankey wrote:
There is an undeniable pattern. We play exceptionally well, carve out a 2 goal lead against strong competitors. Then we sit back naively, yield territory and possession; the fans wait for the inevitable.....and it happens! We clutch defeat (draw) out of the jaws of victory.

IMO it is a mix of bad tactics, poor substitutions and mental fragility. There have been enough (too many!) lessons. It is time for Beppe to prove that he can coach team out this fundamental flaw.
Here's a question for you: if the game had happened the other way around, would you be delighted at an awesome comeback, or annoyed that your tactics for the first 89 minutes hadn't really worked?! The improvement in the team is noticeable, and yet still people knee jerk without any real thought further overall picture.
[quote][p][bold]Hornankey[/bold] wrote: There is an undeniable pattern. We play exceptionally well, carve out a 2 goal lead against strong competitors. Then we sit back naively, yield territory and possession; the fans wait for the inevitable.....and it happens! We clutch defeat (draw) out of the jaws of victory. IMO it is a mix of bad tactics, poor substitutions and mental fragility. There have been enough (too many!) lessons. It is time for Beppe to prove that he can coach team out this fundamental flaw.[/p][/quote]Here's a question for you: if the game had happened the other way around, would you be delighted at an awesome comeback, or annoyed that your tactics for the first 89 minutes hadn't really worked?! The improvement in the team is noticeable, and yet still people knee jerk without any real thought further overall picture. mellow yellow

1:23pm Sun 9 Feb 14

lutondown says...

As an attendee, it was a mixed bag of emotions..I've seen us take a two goal lead in the last three of four games, sit deep and either lose or draw..sorry it's frustrating to say the least.
We played well first half but the draw was enevitable and nearly a loss..teams regroup second half and we sit back and stop pressing... So much so Schmichael was in our half most of the last ten minutes.
Fessi run his socks off, Deeney....not so much, not a killer pairing.
Defensively looked sound and midfield is at last existent.
I think we are going to make a late charge up...
But I have been known to be wrong.
As an attendee, it was a mixed bag of emotions..I've seen us take a two goal lead in the last three of four games, sit deep and either lose or draw..sorry it's frustrating to say the least. We played well first half but the draw was enevitable and nearly a loss..teams regroup second half and we sit back and stop pressing... So much so Schmichael was in our half most of the last ten minutes. Fessi run his socks off, Deeney....not so much, not a killer pairing. Defensively looked sound and midfield is at last existent. I think we are going to make a late charge up... But I have been known to be wrong. lutondown

1:42pm Sun 9 Feb 14

Hornankey says...

mellow yellow wrote:
Hornankey wrote:
There is an undeniable pattern. We play exceptionally well, carve out a 2 goal lead against strong competitors. Then we sit back naively, yield territory and possession; the fans wait for the inevitable.....and it happens! We clutch defeat (draw) out of the jaws of victory.

IMO it is a mix of bad tactics, poor substitutions and mental fragility. There have been enough (too many!) lessons. It is time for Beppe to prove that he can coach team out this fundamental flaw.
Here's a question for you: if the game had happened the other way around, would you be delighted at an awesome comeback, or annoyed that your tactics for the first 89 minutes hadn't really worked?! The improvement in the team is noticeable, and yet still people knee jerk without any real thought further overall picture.
It's great to play well. The performances appear to have improved but results are the only true measure of a successful team.
[quote][p][bold]mellow yellow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hornankey[/bold] wrote: There is an undeniable pattern. We play exceptionally well, carve out a 2 goal lead against strong competitors. Then we sit back naively, yield territory and possession; the fans wait for the inevitable.....and it happens! We clutch defeat (draw) out of the jaws of victory. IMO it is a mix of bad tactics, poor substitutions and mental fragility. There have been enough (too many!) lessons. It is time for Beppe to prove that he can coach team out this fundamental flaw.[/p][/quote]Here's a question for you: if the game had happened the other way around, would you be delighted at an awesome comeback, or annoyed that your tactics for the first 89 minutes hadn't really worked?! The improvement in the team is noticeable, and yet still people knee jerk without any real thought further overall picture.[/p][/quote]It's great to play well. The performances appear to have improved but results are the only true measure of a successful team. Hornankey

1:53pm Sun 9 Feb 14

WJames says...

bigdave8 wrote:
Wjames what an utter tnuc you are . What do you know about ambition ?. Getting all five stars next to your name working at mcdonalds is my bet ??What fan in the whole championship wouldn't have taken a draw in our postion at 3pm today. Draw away to the league leaders who have won the last nine games is a great result . Well done and great effort to the players and the fantastic 800 who went .
Bigdave8 - a poor argument old boy. I would have taken 2-2 at 3pm yesterday of course. However, this is where we disagree: a good result is not drawing or losing (previously)/nearly losing (thanks to Pudil) when you are winning 2-0. If you are winning by that margin then it is your responsibility to see it through and do anything required to make it happen. If you are good enough to be 2-0 up against another team then you are sure as hell good enough to win that game. This habit of conceding last minute goals is exactly that - a bad habit. The players seem to accept it (i.e. by sitting deep and panicking) and fans such as yourself accept it now as par the course. It's this acceptance of poor results as a victory that makes your idea of ambition laughable. (PS, McDonalds...embarras
sing comeback. Something to work on in future perhaps).
[quote][p][bold]bigdave8[/bold] wrote: Wjames what an utter tnuc you are . What do you know about ambition ?. Getting all five stars next to your name working at mcdonalds is my bet ??What fan in the whole championship wouldn't have taken a draw in our postion at 3pm today. Draw away to the league leaders who have won the last nine games is a great result . Well done and great effort to the players and the fantastic 800 who went .[/p][/quote]Bigdave8 - a poor argument old boy. I would have taken 2-2 at 3pm yesterday of course. However, this is where we disagree: a good result is not drawing or losing (previously)/nearly losing (thanks to Pudil) when you are winning 2-0. If you are winning by that margin then it is your responsibility to see it through and do anything required to make it happen. If you are good enough to be 2-0 up against another team then you are sure as hell good enough to win that game. This habit of conceding last minute goals is exactly that - a bad habit. The players seem to accept it (i.e. by sitting deep and panicking) and fans such as yourself accept it now as par the course. It's this acceptance of poor results as a victory that makes your idea of ambition laughable. (PS, McDonalds...embarras sing comeback. Something to work on in future perhaps). WJames

1:56pm Sun 9 Feb 14

WJames says...

bigdave8 wrote:
Wjames what an utter tnuc you are . What do you know about ambition ?. Getting all five stars next to your name working at mcdonalds is my bet ??What fan in the whole championship wouldn't have taken a draw in our postion at 3pm today. Draw away to the league leaders who have won the last nine games is a great result . Well done and great effort to the players and the fantastic 800 who went .
Bigdave8 - a poor argument old boy. I would have taken 2-2 at 3pm yesterday of course. However, this is where we disagree: a good result is not drawing or losing/nearly losing (thanks to Pudil) when you are winning 2-0. If you are winning by that margin then it is your responsibility to see it through and do anything required to make it happen. If you are good enough to be 2-0 up against another team then you are sure as hell good enough to win that game. This habit of conceding last minute goals is exactly that - a habit. The players seem to accept it (i.e. by sitting deep and panicking) and fans such as yourself accept it now as par the course. It's this acceptance of poor results as a victory that makes your whole argument and that of the sheep on here laughable. (PS, McDonalds...embarras
sing comeback. Something to work on in future perhaps).
[quote][p][bold]bigdave8[/bold] wrote: Wjames what an utter tnuc you are . What do you know about ambition ?. Getting all five stars next to your name working at mcdonalds is my bet ??What fan in the whole championship wouldn't have taken a draw in our postion at 3pm today. Draw away to the league leaders who have won the last nine games is a great result . Well done and great effort to the players and the fantastic 800 who went .[/p][/quote]Bigdave8 - a poor argument old boy. I would have taken 2-2 at 3pm yesterday of course. However, this is where we disagree: a good result is not drawing or losing/nearly losing (thanks to Pudil) when you are winning 2-0. If you are winning by that margin then it is your responsibility to see it through and do anything required to make it happen. If you are good enough to be 2-0 up against another team then you are sure as hell good enough to win that game. This habit of conceding last minute goals is exactly that - a habit. The players seem to accept it (i.e. by sitting deep and panicking) and fans such as yourself accept it now as par the course. It's this acceptance of poor results as a victory that makes your whole argument and that of the sheep on here laughable. (PS, McDonalds...embarras sing comeback. Something to work on in future perhaps). WJames

2:06pm Sun 9 Feb 14

soulfulhornet says...

A decent point, but we should have managed the game out. I agree conceding late goals is a problem, but it was last season and in Dyche's and Malky's era too. Having said that - I'm not denying the problem, it was a terrific strike from Drinkwater. Sometimes you have to accept that you will concede the odd goal like that - Agueiro's second at City was another. At least it was not a gift - defensive error or poor positioning.....etc. some of the goals we have conceded this and last season have been gifts, laughable almost and not as a result of great football by the opposition.

And lets face it Leicester are the best team in this division and by some distance so there are more positives than negatives with a draw. I was more concerned about the first goal we conceded and how that changed momentum. Also without the pace/ finishing of a Vydra type player, we are not making the most of the space on the counter when we are up. If we score from one or two counters, it changes the dynamics - as Leicester and Yeovil proved at the Vic.
A decent point, but we should have managed the game out. I agree conceding late goals is a problem, but it was last season and in Dyche's and Malky's era too. Having said that - I'm not denying the problem, it was a terrific strike from Drinkwater. Sometimes you have to accept that you will concede the odd goal like that - Agueiro's second at City was another. At least it was not a gift - defensive error or poor positioning.....etc. some of the goals we have conceded this and last season have been gifts, laughable almost and not as a result of great football by the opposition. And lets face it Leicester are the best team in this division and by some distance so there are more positives than negatives with a draw. I was more concerned about the first goal we conceded and how that changed momentum. Also without the pace/ finishing of a Vydra type player, we are not making the most of the space on the counter when we are up. If we score from one or two counters, it changes the dynamics - as Leicester and Yeovil proved at the Vic. soulfulhornet

3:52pm Sun 9 Feb 14

Hornet Cornet says...

Hornankey wrote:
mellow yellow wrote:
Hornankey wrote:
There is an undeniable pattern. We play exceptionally well, carve out a 2 goal lead against strong competitors. Then we sit back naively, yield territory and possession; the fans wait for the inevitable.....and it happens! We clutch defeat (draw) out of the jaws of victory.

IMO it is a mix of bad tactics, poor substitutions and mental fragility. There have been enough (too many!) lessons. It is time for Beppe to prove that he can coach team out this fundamental flaw.
Here's a question for you: if the game had happened the other way around, would you be delighted at an awesome comeback, or annoyed that your tactics for the first 89 minutes hadn't really worked?! The improvement in the team is noticeable, and yet still people knee jerk without any real thought further overall picture.
It's great to play well. The performances appear to have improved but results are the only true measure of a successful team.
So is Arsenal a successful team?
[quote][p][bold]Hornankey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mellow yellow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hornankey[/bold] wrote: There is an undeniable pattern. We play exceptionally well, carve out a 2 goal lead against strong competitors. Then we sit back naively, yield territory and possession; the fans wait for the inevitable.....and it happens! We clutch defeat (draw) out of the jaws of victory. IMO it is a mix of bad tactics, poor substitutions and mental fragility. There have been enough (too many!) lessons. It is time for Beppe to prove that he can coach team out this fundamental flaw.[/p][/quote]Here's a question for you: if the game had happened the other way around, would you be delighted at an awesome comeback, or annoyed that your tactics for the first 89 minutes hadn't really worked?! The improvement in the team is noticeable, and yet still people knee jerk without any real thought further overall picture.[/p][/quote]It's great to play well. The performances appear to have improved but results are the only true measure of a successful team.[/p][/quote]So is Arsenal a successful team? Hornet Cornet

5:06pm Sun 9 Feb 14

harrowboy says...

bigdave8 wrote:
Wjames what an utter tnuc you are . What do you know about ambition ?. Getting all five stars next to your name working at mcdonalds is my bet ??What fan in the whole championship wouldn't have taken a draw in our postion at 3pm today. Draw away to the league leaders who have won the last nine games is a great result . Well done and great effort to the players and the fantastic 800 who went .
Agree 100% bigdave. An excellent result against the team who will probably finish at least 15 points ahead of anybody else this seaon.
Well done to the whole squad - let's keep it going on Tuesday.
[quote][p][bold]bigdave8[/bold] wrote: Wjames what an utter tnuc you are . What do you know about ambition ?. Getting all five stars next to your name working at mcdonalds is my bet ??What fan in the whole championship wouldn't have taken a draw in our postion at 3pm today. Draw away to the league leaders who have won the last nine games is a great result . Well done and great effort to the players and the fantastic 800 who went .[/p][/quote]Agree 100% bigdave. An excellent result against the team who will probably finish at least 15 points ahead of anybody else this seaon. Well done to the whole squad - let's keep it going on Tuesday. harrowboy

7:45pm Sun 9 Feb 14

EthanTheOrn' says...

At the end of the day, yes, I know going 2 - 0 up and not holding onto it was a bitter disappointment. But the Pozo's came in with a three year plan. The only reason we're so annoyed with the team this year is because we didn't do as well as we did last year. But think about it, we we're never supposed to do that well. Hell, who expected us to finish in the playoffs? So yeah, we're not doing as well as last year. Yes, its annoying. But I think our performances are improving and I think thats vital for next season. Our promotion season. Don't get me wrong. Going 2 - 0 three times in a fortnight and not winning is dreadful. But I think we should all be looking to the future.
At the end of the day, yes, I know going 2 - 0 up and not holding onto it was a bitter disappointment. But the Pozo's came in with a three year plan. The only reason we're so annoyed with the team this year is because we didn't do as well as we did last year. But think about it, we we're never supposed to do that well. Hell, who expected us to finish in the playoffs? So yeah, we're not doing as well as last year. Yes, its annoying. But I think our performances are improving and I think thats vital for next season. Our promotion season. Don't get me wrong. Going 2 - 0 three times in a fortnight and not winning is dreadful. But I think we should all be looking to the future. EthanTheOrn'

12:44am Mon 10 Feb 14

Chris the Vic says...

Beppe, loved your explanation about not playing Fitz and wanting to see how Cassetti played.

Last year we suffered from Squad rotation and we really do not need it now.

Cassetti last year was brilliant mainly as a wing back but this year has been more of a struggle for him. Fitz gets injured but when he plays he is good. Against Leicester we needed him.

When Hoban is fit we will need him and Ekstrand requires leaving out. No offence but he does make some costly errors and needs a good rest.

We are close to having a good team please do not mess it up with experimentation
Beppe, loved your explanation about not playing Fitz and wanting to see how Cassetti played. Last year we suffered from Squad rotation and we really do not need it now. Cassetti last year was brilliant mainly as a wing back but this year has been more of a struggle for him. Fitz gets injured but when he plays he is good. Against Leicester we needed him. When Hoban is fit we will need him and Ekstrand requires leaving out. No offence but he does make some costly errors and needs a good rest. We are close to having a good team please do not mess it up with experimentation Chris the Vic

1:51am Mon 10 Feb 14

Henry VIII says...

Before the game I would have happily settled for a point, and when you look at the stats of shots, possession etc. had the goal not have been so very, very late, we would probably all look at the result more favourably. To my mind, it wasn't so much the final score, but yet again the lateness of the goal that irked many. That said, a superb strike is what got them the draw, and I am still delighted with the overall result. As I have mentioned before, I see this as a three point objective right now. Firstly, steady the ship, like it or not, our run was awful and absolute relegation form. I think we are getting there now and certainly the last few team performances have been some of the best over 90 minutes. Secondly, get enough points to avoid the drop. Again, our work rate has certainly increased, we look like scoring and we are tighter at the back, so I think we are going to achieve this. Thirdly, try and accumulate enough points for a playoff run. It is certainly achievable, but for now I am just grateful that we look like a team, the passion is back, it may not always be perfect but to hold run away Leicester to their first draw in ten games, at home, well I will take that for sure. I look at the result as a positive and a lesson learned. I feel that at very long last we have turned a corner and I can genuinely start to look forward to the remainder of the season - anything can happen in this league !!
Before the game I would have happily settled for a point, and when you look at the stats of shots, possession etc. had the goal not have been so very, very late, we would probably all look at the result more favourably. To my mind, it wasn't so much the final score, but yet again the lateness of the goal that irked many. That said, a superb strike is what got them the draw, and I am still delighted with the overall result. As I have mentioned before, I see this as a three point objective right now. Firstly, steady the ship, like it or not, our run was awful and absolute relegation form. I think we are getting there now and certainly the last few team performances have been some of the best over 90 minutes. Secondly, get enough points to avoid the drop. Again, our work rate has certainly increased, we look like scoring and we are tighter at the back, so I think we are going to achieve this. Thirdly, try and accumulate enough points for a playoff run. It is certainly achievable, but for now I am just grateful that we look like a team, the passion is back, it may not always be perfect but to hold run away Leicester to their first draw in ten games, at home, well I will take that for sure. I look at the result as a positive and a lesson learned. I feel that at very long last we have turned a corner and I can genuinely start to look forward to the remainder of the season - anything can happen in this league !! Henry VIII

10:20am Mon 10 Feb 14

Goldenboy1960 says...

Coshamhorn wrote:
im a cosham horn doing my coaching badges then jumping from youth modules as the f a require not sure of the rules in if a coach comes from say Italy has he had the same path as an English coach as james bettie has been fined 20 thousand as he hasn't the badges that are needed to be a manager ,
None of that makes sense I'm afraid
[quote][p][bold]Coshamhorn[/bold] wrote: im a cosham horn doing my coaching badges then jumping from youth modules as the f a require not sure of the rules in if a coach comes from say Italy has he had the same path as an English coach as james bettie has been fined 20 thousand as he hasn't the badges that are needed to be a manager ,[/p][/quote]None of that makes sense I'm afraid Goldenboy1960

10:28am Mon 10 Feb 14

Harry's Bar says...

Goldenboy1960 wrote:
Coshamhorn wrote:
im a cosham horn doing my coaching badges then jumping from youth modules as the f a require not sure of the rules in if a coach comes from say Italy has he had the same path as an English coach as james bettie has been fined 20 thousand as he hasn't the badges that are needed to be a manager ,
None of that makes sense I'm afraid
Using Google translate I think he's questioning whether Saninno is qualified to coach in England.
[quote][p][bold]Goldenboy1960[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Coshamhorn[/bold] wrote: im a cosham horn doing my coaching badges then jumping from youth modules as the f a require not sure of the rules in if a coach comes from say Italy has he had the same path as an English coach as james bettie has been fined 20 thousand as he hasn't the badges that are needed to be a manager ,[/p][/quote]None of that makes sense I'm afraid[/p][/quote]Using Google translate I think he's questioning whether Saninno is qualified to coach in England. Harry's Bar

10:46am Mon 10 Feb 14

Kismet110 says...

Look on the bright side - it's an improvement on the last two away games where a 2-0 turned out to be a 4-2.

Their goal was an absolute stunner (as was their first) so it wasn't down to poor defending or lack of effort.

Strangely on each of the 3 occasions mentioned we had a chance to make it 3-0, didn't do so and paid for it which is odd as GS seemed to have got the defensive side of things sorted.

And I won't lie to you, the moment Fessi went off for a defender I KNEW we would concede the only surprise being it wasn't Phillips. And REALLY glad it wasn't that cheating little French ****.

We now have 3 games in 8 days, 6 points out of those would be excellent and doable.

Alsoy hope we get to see more of Merkel, Bellerin and Ranegie, a little strange these potentially excellent signings are getting little game time.

One myth needs to be exploded though. I would rather we finish mid-table this season (or in the PO's of course but that's pushing it!) then finish strongly and just miss out.

Reason? Look at the teams that do that and in most cases they struggle the following season probably due to the weight of expectation, other teams stifling them or a combination of both.

I could give you lots of examples but don't need to, we are a classic case.
Look on the bright side - it's an improvement on the last two away games where a 2-0 turned out to be a 4-2. Their goal was an absolute stunner (as was their first) so it wasn't down to poor defending or lack of effort. Strangely on each of the 3 occasions mentioned we had a chance to make it 3-0, didn't do so and paid for it which is odd as GS seemed to have got the defensive side of things sorted. And I won't lie to you, the moment Fessi went off for a defender I KNEW we would concede the only surprise being it wasn't Phillips. And REALLY glad it wasn't that cheating little French ****. We now have 3 games in 8 days, 6 points out of those would be excellent and doable. Alsoy hope we get to see more of Merkel, Bellerin and Ranegie, a little strange these potentially excellent signings are getting little game time. One myth needs to be exploded though. I would rather we finish mid-table this season (or in the PO's of course but that's pushing it!) then finish strongly and just miss out. Reason? Look at the teams that do that and in most cases they struggle the following season probably due to the weight of expectation, other teams stifling them or a combination of both. I could give you lots of examples but don't need to, we are a classic case. Kismet110

2:15pm Mon 10 Feb 14

Big Cliff was King says...

Calm down people.
We have a manager who is fresh off the boat clutching his Italian football coaching manual which clearly states that you defend 1 and certainly 2 goal leads by defending in your own area.
He has not yet read the WFC manual that says that we cannot and never could do such a thing.
One point a game until the end of the season is all that is required.
Calm down people. We have a manager who is fresh off the boat clutching his Italian football coaching manual which clearly states that you defend 1 and certainly 2 goal leads by defending in your own area. He has not yet read the WFC manual that says that we cannot and never could do such a thing. One point a game until the end of the season is all that is required. Big Cliff was King

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