Fernando Forestieri misses Yeovil Town draw with hamstring injury but Sean Murray rested for Championship clash

Watford Observer: Fernando Forestieri. Picture: Holly Cant Fernando Forestieri. Picture: Holly Cant

Watford striker Fernando Forestieri missed the 0-0 draw at Yeovil Town with a hamstring injury but Sean Murray is fine and was just being rested for the game at Huish Park.

On Monday night, Forestieri suggested on Twitter he would not be available for the Championship match and after the final whistle, Beppe Sannino confirmed the Argentine had a hamstring problem. 

"We will assess Fernando in the week," said Sannino.

"He has a problem with his hamstring. We are still assessing him and we will say something later in the week after that assessment."

Murray was another name missing from the starting line-up.

The Hornets academy graduate has been left on the bench for Watford's last two midweek matches but Sannino insists it is not a technical issue.

"The decision was aimed at giving him a little rest," Sannino said.

"We always play with [Cristian] Battocchio and Murray in midfield and I wanted to try something different.

"It was not a technical decision. I wanted to give him a rest because we have another game on Saturday."

 

 

Comments (21)

Please log in to enable comment sorting

11:37am Wed 19 Feb 14

watford1881 says...

Why is it that Deeney is the only player who never seams to get these "little injuries or tweaks" is it because the rest are pansies... We need a British spine to our team or we will get know where... Chelsea found that out years ago when Italians showed up... Learn from the past Pozzos.....
Why is it that Deeney is the only player who never seams to get these "little injuries or tweaks" is it because the rest are pansies... We need a British spine to our team or we will get know where... Chelsea found that out years ago when Italians showed up... Learn from the past Pozzos..... watford1881

12:38pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Travelling Hornet says...

watford1881 wrote:
Why is it that Deeney is the only player who never seams to get these "little injuries or tweaks" is it because the rest are pansies... We need a British spine to our team or we will get know where... Chelsea found that out years ago when Italians showed up... Learn from the past Pozzos.....
How foreign is Tommie Hoban?
Like a lot of posts on here they are just a knee jerk reaction without any thought behind them.
[quote][p][bold]watford1881[/bold] wrote: Why is it that Deeney is the only player who never seams to get these "little injuries or tweaks" is it because the rest are pansies... We need a British spine to our team or we will get know where... Chelsea found that out years ago when Italians showed up... Learn from the past Pozzos.....[/p][/quote]How foreign is Tommie Hoban? Like a lot of posts on here they are just a knee jerk reaction without any thought behind them. Travelling Hornet

1:07pm Wed 19 Feb 14

jasonwatford says...

Travelling Hornet wrote:
watford1881 wrote:
Why is it that Deeney is the only player who never seams to get these "little injuries or tweaks" is it because the rest are pansies... We need a British spine to our team or we will get know where... Chelsea found that out years ago when Italians showed up... Learn from the past Pozzos.....
How foreign is Tommie Hoban?
Like a lot of posts on here they are just a knee jerk reaction without any thought behind them.
You know what travelling Hornet ive given up with planks on here , they just love it when we lose or drop a point , they have all the answers don't know why none of them have ever taken up management ?
[quote][p][bold]Travelling Hornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]watford1881[/bold] wrote: Why is it that Deeney is the only player who never seams to get these "little injuries or tweaks" is it because the rest are pansies... We need a British spine to our team or we will get know where... Chelsea found that out years ago when Italians showed up... Learn from the past Pozzos.....[/p][/quote]How foreign is Tommie Hoban? Like a lot of posts on here they are just a knee jerk reaction without any thought behind them.[/p][/quote]You know what travelling Hornet ive given up with planks on here , they just love it when we lose or drop a point , they have all the answers don't know why none of them have ever taken up management ? jasonwatford

2:05pm Wed 19 Feb 14

mellow yellow says...

jasonwatford wrote:
Travelling Hornet wrote:
watford1881 wrote:
Why is it that Deeney is the only player who never seams to get these "little injuries or tweaks" is it because the rest are pansies... We need a British spine to our team or we will get know where... Chelsea found that out years ago when Italians showed up... Learn from the past Pozzos.....
How foreign is Tommie Hoban?
Like a lot of posts on here they are just a knee jerk reaction without any thought behind them.
You know what travelling Hornet ive given up with planks on here , they just love it when we lose or drop a point , they have all the answers don't know why none of them have ever taken up management ?
Perhaps because with any knee jerk reaction, there tends to be an accompanying 'jerk'.
[quote][p][bold]jasonwatford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Travelling Hornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]watford1881[/bold] wrote: Why is it that Deeney is the only player who never seams to get these "little injuries or tweaks" is it because the rest are pansies... We need a British spine to our team or we will get know where... Chelsea found that out years ago when Italians showed up... Learn from the past Pozzos.....[/p][/quote]How foreign is Tommie Hoban? Like a lot of posts on here they are just a knee jerk reaction without any thought behind them.[/p][/quote]You know what travelling Hornet ive given up with planks on here , they just love it when we lose or drop a point , they have all the answers don't know why none of them have ever taken up management ?[/p][/quote]Perhaps because with any knee jerk reaction, there tends to be an accompanying 'jerk'. mellow yellow

2:49pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Travelling Hornet says...

mellow yellow wrote:
jasonwatford wrote:
Travelling Hornet wrote:
watford1881 wrote:
Why is it that Deeney is the only player who never seams to get these "little injuries or tweaks" is it because the rest are pansies... We need a British spine to our team or we will get know where... Chelsea found that out years ago when Italians showed up... Learn from the past Pozzos.....
How foreign is Tommie Hoban?
Like a lot of posts on here they are just a knee jerk reaction without any thought behind them.
You know what travelling Hornet ive given up with planks on here , they just love it when we lose or drop a point , they have all the answers don't know why none of them have ever taken up management ?
Perhaps because with any knee jerk reaction, there tends to be an accompanying 'jerk'.
Yeah, you!!!
[quote][p][bold]mellow yellow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jasonwatford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Travelling Hornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]watford1881[/bold] wrote: Why is it that Deeney is the only player who never seams to get these "little injuries or tweaks" is it because the rest are pansies... We need a British spine to our team or we will get know where... Chelsea found that out years ago when Italians showed up... Learn from the past Pozzos.....[/p][/quote]How foreign is Tommie Hoban? Like a lot of posts on here they are just a knee jerk reaction without any thought behind them.[/p][/quote]You know what travelling Hornet ive given up with planks on here , they just love it when we lose or drop a point , they have all the answers don't know why none of them have ever taken up management ?[/p][/quote]Perhaps because with any knee jerk reaction, there tends to be an accompanying 'jerk'.[/p][/quote]Yeah, you!!! Travelling Hornet

3:18pm Wed 19 Feb 14

mellow yellow says...

Travelling Hornet wrote:
mellow yellow wrote:
jasonwatford wrote:
Travelling Hornet wrote:
watford1881 wrote:
Why is it that Deeney is the only player who never seams to get these "little injuries or tweaks" is it because the rest are pansies... We need a British spine to our team or we will get know where... Chelsea found that out years ago when Italians showed up... Learn from the past Pozzos.....
How foreign is Tommie Hoban?
Like a lot of posts on here they are just a knee jerk reaction without any thought behind them.
You know what travelling Hornet ive given up with planks on here , they just love it when we lose or drop a point , they have all the answers don't know why none of them have ever taken up management ?
Perhaps because with any knee jerk reaction, there tends to be an accompanying 'jerk'.
Yeah, you!!!
Eh? I'm a jerk for backing your opinion...
[quote][p][bold]Travelling Hornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mellow yellow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jasonwatford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Travelling Hornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]watford1881[/bold] wrote: Why is it that Deeney is the only player who never seams to get these "little injuries or tweaks" is it because the rest are pansies... We need a British spine to our team or we will get know where... Chelsea found that out years ago when Italians showed up... Learn from the past Pozzos.....[/p][/quote]How foreign is Tommie Hoban? Like a lot of posts on here they are just a knee jerk reaction without any thought behind them.[/p][/quote]You know what travelling Hornet ive given up with planks on here , they just love it when we lose or drop a point , they have all the answers don't know why none of them have ever taken up management ?[/p][/quote]Perhaps because with any knee jerk reaction, there tends to be an accompanying 'jerk'.[/p][/quote]Yeah, you!!![/p][/quote]Eh? I'm a jerk for backing your opinion... mellow yellow

3:26pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Hornankey says...

How can we expect continuity with so many changes match to match. Resting players when there are so many injuries is unnecessary folly. It's a luxury unavailable to several (more successful) Championship clubs with smaller squads.
How can we expect continuity with so many changes match to match. Resting players when there are so many injuries is unnecessary folly. It's a luxury unavailable to several (more successful) Championship clubs with smaller squads. Hornankey

5:33pm Wed 19 Feb 14

watford1881 says...

Travelling Hornet wrote:
watford1881 wrote:
Why is it that Deeney is the only player who never seams to get these "little injuries or tweaks" is it because the rest are pansies... We need a British spine to our team or we will get know where... Chelsea found that out years ago when Italians showed up... Learn from the past Pozzos.....
How foreign is Tommie Hoban?
Like a lot of posts on here they are just a knee jerk reaction without any thought behind them.
Tommy Hoban plays in midfield too does he?? Spine means through the middle.. Cassetti British? Almunia British? Toz British? Batts or Merkel both British?? Bingo..... Deeney is the only one.. How many teams have been successful playing this way in England??
[quote][p][bold]Travelling Hornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]watford1881[/bold] wrote: Why is it that Deeney is the only player who never seams to get these "little injuries or tweaks" is it because the rest are pansies... We need a British spine to our team or we will get know where... Chelsea found that out years ago when Italians showed up... Learn from the past Pozzos.....[/p][/quote]How foreign is Tommie Hoban? Like a lot of posts on here they are just a knee jerk reaction without any thought behind them.[/p][/quote]Tommy Hoban plays in midfield too does he?? Spine means through the middle.. Cassetti British? Almunia British? Toz British? Batts or Merkel both British?? Bingo..... Deeney is the only one.. How many teams have been successful playing this way in England?? watford1881

5:46pm Wed 19 Feb 14

watford1881 says...

I'm sure most of the people on here wouldn't mind if we changed our name to Watford United, played in green & sold off Deeney, Murray, Lloyd and Hoban just as long as we had a bit of success.. U all make me sick.. Watford to me has nothing to do with success on the pitch.. It's to do with community spirit, love for where I live.. It's our club and the Pozzos have lost the Watford way.. Sooner or later they will have to as this method of running a football club doesn't work as easily as in other European countries.. British football is uniquely placed in the heart of British fans like no other leagues in the world...
I'm sure most of the people on here wouldn't mind if we changed our name to Watford United, played in green & sold off Deeney, Murray, Lloyd and Hoban just as long as we had a bit of success.. U all make me sick.. Watford to me has nothing to do with success on the pitch.. It's to do with community spirit, love for where I live.. It's our club and the Pozzos have lost the Watford way.. Sooner or later they will have to as this method of running a football club doesn't work as easily as in other European countries.. British football is uniquely placed in the heart of British fans like no other leagues in the world... watford1881

6:28pm Wed 19 Feb 14

cliff46 says...

watford1881 wrote:
I'm sure most of the people on here wouldn't mind if we changed our name to Watford United, played in green & sold off Deeney, Murray, Lloyd and Hoban just as long as we had a bit of success.. U all make me sick.. Watford to me has nothing to do with success on the pitch.. It's to do with community spirit, love for where I live.. It's our club and the Pozzos have lost the Watford way.. Sooner or later they will have to as this method of running a football club doesn't work as easily as in other European countries.. British football is uniquely placed in the heart of British fans like no other leagues in the world...
You are absolutely right we should have stayed British and continued to meander toward either the conference or oblivion.
[quote][p][bold]watford1881[/bold] wrote: I'm sure most of the people on here wouldn't mind if we changed our name to Watford United, played in green & sold off Deeney, Murray, Lloyd and Hoban just as long as we had a bit of success.. U all make me sick.. Watford to me has nothing to do with success on the pitch.. It's to do with community spirit, love for where I live.. It's our club and the Pozzos have lost the Watford way.. Sooner or later they will have to as this method of running a football club doesn't work as easily as in other European countries.. British football is uniquely placed in the heart of British fans like no other leagues in the world...[/p][/quote]You are absolutely right we should have stayed British and continued to meander toward either the conference or oblivion. cliff46

6:31pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Oracledave says...

watford1881 wrote:
I'm sure most of the people on here wouldn't mind if we changed our name to Watford United, played in green & sold off Deeney, Murray, Lloyd and Hoban just as long as we had a bit of success.. U all make me sick.. Watford to me has nothing to do with success on the pitch.. It's to do with community spirit, love for where I live.. It's our club and the Pozzos have lost the Watford way.. Sooner or later they will have to as this method of running a football club doesn't work as easily as in other European countries.. British football is uniquely placed in the heart of British fans like no other leagues in the world...
Yeh, bring back Bas or Lord A and the traditional "Watford way" (which in any event doesn't actually exist).

And didn't hear all this "British" stuff last year when our foreign loanees were tearing up the league.

The lack quality of some of the analysis on these threads is quite astounding !
[quote][p][bold]watford1881[/bold] wrote: I'm sure most of the people on here wouldn't mind if we changed our name to Watford United, played in green & sold off Deeney, Murray, Lloyd and Hoban just as long as we had a bit of success.. U all make me sick.. Watford to me has nothing to do with success on the pitch.. It's to do with community spirit, love for where I live.. It's our club and the Pozzos have lost the Watford way.. Sooner or later they will have to as this method of running a football club doesn't work as easily as in other European countries.. British football is uniquely placed in the heart of British fans like no other leagues in the world...[/p][/quote]Yeh, bring back Bas or Lord A and the traditional "Watford way" (which in any event doesn't actually exist). And didn't hear all this "British" stuff last year when our foreign loanees were tearing up the league. The lack quality of some of the analysis on these threads is quite astounding ! Oracledave

7:03pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Watford Willie says...

watford1881 wrote:
I'm sure most of the people on here wouldn't mind if we changed our name to Watford United, played in green & sold off Deeney, Murray, Lloyd and Hoban just as long as we had a bit of success.. U all make me sick.. Watford to me has nothing to do with success on the pitch.. It's to do with community spirit, love for where I live.. It's our club and the Pozzos have lost the Watford way.. Sooner or later they will have to as this method of running a football club doesn't work as easily as in other European countries.. British football is uniquely placed in the heart of British fans like no other leagues in the world...
What is the 'Watford Way' ?

I suspect you are just WUM using the 1881 name to add some sort of gravitas to your comments.

I would love to see your research on the place in fans hearts that football holds around the rest of the world.
[quote][p][bold]watford1881[/bold] wrote: I'm sure most of the people on here wouldn't mind if we changed our name to Watford United, played in green & sold off Deeney, Murray, Lloyd and Hoban just as long as we had a bit of success.. U all make me sick.. Watford to me has nothing to do with success on the pitch.. It's to do with community spirit, love for where I live.. It's our club and the Pozzos have lost the Watford way.. Sooner or later they will have to as this method of running a football club doesn't work as easily as in other European countries.. British football is uniquely placed in the heart of British fans like no other leagues in the world...[/p][/quote]What is the 'Watford Way' ? I suspect you are just WUM using the 1881 name to add some sort of gravitas to your comments. I would love to see your research on the place in fans hearts that football holds around the rest of the world. Watford Willie

7:12pm Wed 19 Feb 14

EltonForever says...

I agree with Oracledave and Cliff46.

We need to get real.

Supporting your football team is like a marriage; in sickness and in health, for richer or poorer, until death do us part. We have to embrace the good times as well as the not so good times! It's a case of looking at the glass as half full, not half empty! Even Cornetto agrees with me now and has been much more positive in his recent posts. No poetry though please Cornetto!
I agree with Oracledave and Cliff46. We need to get real. Supporting your football team is like a marriage; in sickness and in health, for richer or poorer, until death do us part. We have to embrace the good times as well as the not so good times! It's a case of looking at the glass as half full, not half empty! Even Cornetto agrees with me now and has been much more positive in his recent posts. No poetry though please Cornetto! EltonForever

7:36pm Wed 19 Feb 14

1234566789 says...

watford1881 wrote:
Travelling Hornet wrote:
watford1881 wrote:
Why is it that Deeney is the only player who never seams to get these "little injuries or tweaks" is it because the rest are pansies... We need a British spine to our team or we will get know where... Chelsea found that out years ago when Italians showed up... Learn from the past Pozzos.....
How foreign is Tommie Hoban?
Like a lot of posts on here they are just a knee jerk reaction without any thought behind them.
Tommy Hoban plays in midfield too does he?? Spine means through the middle.. Cassetti British? Almunia British? Toz British? Batts or Merkel both British?? Bingo..... Deeney is the only one.. How many teams have been successful playing this way in England??
Ha ha. Spine does indeed mean through the middle but vertically, not horizontally. To stick with your method and use Chelsea as an example, the highly regarded "spine" of their team was Cech, Terry, Lampard and Drogba. Not exactly all midfielders are they??

Also, you entirely contradict yourself by then including Deeney in your list. He isn't a midfielder either is he??
[quote][p][bold]watford1881[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Travelling Hornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]watford1881[/bold] wrote: Why is it that Deeney is the only player who never seams to get these "little injuries or tweaks" is it because the rest are pansies... We need a British spine to our team or we will get know where... Chelsea found that out years ago when Italians showed up... Learn from the past Pozzos.....[/p][/quote]How foreign is Tommie Hoban? Like a lot of posts on here they are just a knee jerk reaction without any thought behind them.[/p][/quote]Tommy Hoban plays in midfield too does he?? Spine means through the middle.. Cassetti British? Almunia British? Toz British? Batts or Merkel both British?? Bingo..... Deeney is the only one.. How many teams have been successful playing this way in England??[/p][/quote]Ha ha. Spine does indeed mean through the middle but vertically, not horizontally. To stick with your method and use Chelsea as an example, the highly regarded "spine" of their team was Cech, Terry, Lampard and Drogba. Not exactly all midfielders are they?? Also, you entirely contradict yourself by then including Deeney in your list. He isn't a midfielder either is he?? 1234566789

11:05am Thu 20 Feb 14

Ricky Holden says...

watford1881 wrote:
I'm sure most of the people on here wouldn't mind if we changed our name to Watford United, played in green & sold off Deeney, Murray, Lloyd and Hoban just as long as we had a bit of success.. U all make me sick.. Watford to me has nothing to do with success on the pitch.. It's to do with community spirit, love for where I live.. It's our club and the Pozzos have lost the Watford way.. Sooner or later they will have to as this method of running a football club doesn't work as easily as in other European countries.. British football is uniquely placed in the heart of British fans like no other leagues in the world...
The Watford way?! Doing things for the community?! What like splitting the profits on reselling season tickets to two local charities. Freezing season ticket prices before our promotion dream of last season was realised (or crashed and burned as it did) to give something back to the supporters?
[quote][p][bold]watford1881[/bold] wrote: I'm sure most of the people on here wouldn't mind if we changed our name to Watford United, played in green & sold off Deeney, Murray, Lloyd and Hoban just as long as we had a bit of success.. U all make me sick.. Watford to me has nothing to do with success on the pitch.. It's to do with community spirit, love for where I live.. It's our club and the Pozzos have lost the Watford way.. Sooner or later they will have to as this method of running a football club doesn't work as easily as in other European countries.. British football is uniquely placed in the heart of British fans like no other leagues in the world...[/p][/quote]The Watford way?! Doing things for the community?! What like splitting the profits on reselling season tickets to two local charities. Freezing season ticket prices before our promotion dream of last season was realised (or crashed and burned as it did) to give something back to the supporters? Ricky Holden

12:32pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Kismet110 says...

The only time there was a genuine "Watford Way" was the decade between 1977-1987 when under GT and EJ we rose up the Leagues, ruffled loads of feathers but at the same time won over lots of people with the emphasis by GT on family values, community bonds and an honest work ethic.

Before then it was non-existent and since then, as we slipped back into the lower leagues and GT/EJ departed, it has become a distant memory.

Unless someone thinks the years under the likes of Petchey, Simpson or Bassini were the "Watford Way"?

In which case words fail me.
The only time there was a genuine "Watford Way" was the decade between 1977-1987 when under GT and EJ we rose up the Leagues, ruffled loads of feathers but at the same time won over lots of people with the emphasis by GT on family values, community bonds and an honest work ethic. Before then it was non-existent and since then, as we slipped back into the lower leagues and GT/EJ departed, it has become a distant memory. Unless someone thinks the years under the likes of Petchey, Simpson or Bassini were the "Watford Way"? In which case words fail me. Kismet110

3:03pm Thu 20 Feb 14

soulfulhornet says...

Will miss Fernando if not fit as we did v Yeovil. In the absence Abdi and with Anya not as effective as earlier in the season, we need his skill and unpredictability. Sadly, his game is equally difficult for his teammates to read as it is for opposition defenders, but if he was the finished article (better finishing, pass selection etc), he would be at a bigger club than ours most probably.

If it is a hamstring unless it is very minor, I suspect he won't be playing at Bolton.

All this criticism of player recruitment and lack of Britishness is a bit off point. Helgar and Nielsen weren't British and they were committed and I don't think you can say that Forestieri, Abdi, Almunia or Pudil to name a few lack committment to the cause.

This year's crop may not have been as good as last years - not surprising as Nani would have selected the better players (for English football) and those most enthusiatic about coming last time. The Pozzo network will bring rewards but as some have mentioned, English football is different from Spain/ Italy and it will take time to tweak the methodology to our league. be patient.

At the same time the Pozzos have reiterated the committment to our academy and to Harefield. I read somewhere that it took years for Ajax's system to produce results and it is estimated that the FAs 'St Georges Park won't do so for 15 years - as you need the right coaches, set-up etc. Harefield has only been around since 2007, why do supporters think little old Watford can produce the excellent results we want faster than Ajax or the FA ???

The Pozzos proved their committment by offering long tem contracts to Murray, Smith, Bond and Hoban. And there is more and better to come down the line - but it takes time. Then not only will the core of the team (at lower Prem/ upper Chamiponship) be British, but it could be from our academy.

Patience! We are 11th and will probably finish in the top ten but outside the play-offs. The play-offs is not impossible, but if we got there and won, does anyone believe we could remain in the Prem?
Will miss Fernando if not fit as we did v Yeovil. In the absence Abdi and with Anya not as effective as earlier in the season, we need his skill and unpredictability. Sadly, his game is equally difficult for his teammates to read as it is for opposition defenders, but if he was the finished article (better finishing, pass selection etc), he would be at a bigger club than ours most probably. If it is a hamstring unless it is very minor, I suspect he won't be playing at Bolton. All this criticism of player recruitment and lack of Britishness is a bit off point. Helgar and Nielsen weren't British and they were committed and I don't think you can say that Forestieri, Abdi, Almunia or Pudil to name a few lack committment to the cause. This year's crop may not have been as good as last years - not surprising as Nani would have selected the better players (for English football) and those most enthusiatic about coming last time. The Pozzo network will bring rewards but as some have mentioned, English football is different from Spain/ Italy and it will take time to tweak the methodology to our league. be patient. At the same time the Pozzos have reiterated the committment to our academy and to Harefield. I read somewhere that it took years for Ajax's system to produce results and it is estimated that the FAs 'St Georges Park won't do so for 15 years - as you need the right coaches, set-up etc. Harefield has only been around since 2007, why do supporters think little old Watford can produce the excellent results we want faster than Ajax or the FA ??? The Pozzos proved their committment by offering long tem contracts to Murray, Smith, Bond and Hoban. And there is more and better to come down the line - but it takes time. Then not only will the core of the team (at lower Prem/ upper Chamiponship) be British, but it could be from our academy. Patience! We are 11th and will probably finish in the top ten but outside the play-offs. The play-offs is not impossible, but if we got there and won, does anyone believe we could remain in the Prem? soulfulhornet

3:35pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Harry's Bar says...

soulfulhornet wrote:
Will miss Fernando if not fit as we did v Yeovil. In the absence Abdi and with Anya not as effective as earlier in the season, we need his skill and unpredictability. Sadly, his game is equally difficult for his teammates to read as it is for opposition defenders, but if he was the finished article (better finishing, pass selection etc), he would be at a bigger club than ours most probably.

If it is a hamstring unless it is very minor, I suspect he won't be playing at Bolton.

All this criticism of player recruitment and lack of Britishness is a bit off point. Helgar and Nielsen weren't British and they were committed and I don't think you can say that Forestieri, Abdi, Almunia or Pudil to name a few lack committment to the cause.

This year's crop may not have been as good as last years - not surprising as Nani would have selected the better players (for English football) and those most enthusiatic about coming last time. The Pozzo network will bring rewards but as some have mentioned, English football is different from Spain/ Italy and it will take time to tweak the methodology to our league. be patient.

At the same time the Pozzos have reiterated the committment to our academy and to Harefield. I read somewhere that it took years for Ajax's system to produce results and it is estimated that the FAs 'St Georges Park won't do so for 15 years - as you need the right coaches, set-up etc. Harefield has only been around since 2007, why do supporters think little old Watford can produce the excellent results we want faster than Ajax or the FA ???

The Pozzos proved their committment by offering long tem contracts to Murray, Smith, Bond and Hoban. And there is more and better to come down the line - but it takes time. Then not only will the core of the team (at lower Prem/ upper Chamiponship) be British, but it could be from our academy.

Patience! We are 11th and will probably finish in the top ten but outside the play-offs. The play-offs is not impossible, but if we got there and won, does anyone believe we could remain in the Prem?
Not with this squad. Some of them could play in the Prem... Angella, Hoban, Tozser, Abdi, maybe Deeney and Anya. Some major signings would also be needed, keeper, wing backs, creative midfield and striker most urgently.
[quote][p][bold]soulfulhornet[/bold] wrote: Will miss Fernando if not fit as we did v Yeovil. In the absence Abdi and with Anya not as effective as earlier in the season, we need his skill and unpredictability. Sadly, his game is equally difficult for his teammates to read as it is for opposition defenders, but if he was the finished article (better finishing, pass selection etc), he would be at a bigger club than ours most probably. If it is a hamstring unless it is very minor, I suspect he won't be playing at Bolton. All this criticism of player recruitment and lack of Britishness is a bit off point. Helgar and Nielsen weren't British and they were committed and I don't think you can say that Forestieri, Abdi, Almunia or Pudil to name a few lack committment to the cause. This year's crop may not have been as good as last years - not surprising as Nani would have selected the better players (for English football) and those most enthusiatic about coming last time. The Pozzo network will bring rewards but as some have mentioned, English football is different from Spain/ Italy and it will take time to tweak the methodology to our league. be patient. At the same time the Pozzos have reiterated the committment to our academy and to Harefield. I read somewhere that it took years for Ajax's system to produce results and it is estimated that the FAs 'St Georges Park won't do so for 15 years - as you need the right coaches, set-up etc. Harefield has only been around since 2007, why do supporters think little old Watford can produce the excellent results we want faster than Ajax or the FA ??? The Pozzos proved their committment by offering long tem contracts to Murray, Smith, Bond and Hoban. And there is more and better to come down the line - but it takes time. Then not only will the core of the team (at lower Prem/ upper Chamiponship) be British, but it could be from our academy. Patience! We are 11th and will probably finish in the top ten but outside the play-offs. The play-offs is not impossible, but if we got there and won, does anyone believe we could remain in the Prem?[/p][/quote]Not with this squad. Some of them could play in the Prem... Angella, Hoban, Tozser, Abdi, maybe Deeney and Anya. Some major signings would also be needed, keeper, wing backs, creative midfield and striker most urgently. Harry's Bar

4:09pm Thu 20 Feb 14

soulfulhornet says...

Harry's Bar wrote:
soulfulhornet wrote: Will miss Fernando if not fit as we did v Yeovil. In the absence Abdi and with Anya not as effective as earlier in the season, we need his skill and unpredictability. Sadly, his game is equally difficult for his teammates to read as it is for opposition defenders, but if he was the finished article (better finishing, pass selection etc), he would be at a bigger club than ours most probably. If it is a hamstring unless it is very minor, I suspect he won't be playing at Bolton. All this criticism of player recruitment and lack of Britishness is a bit off point. Helgar and Nielsen weren't British and they were committed and I don't think you can say that Forestieri, Abdi, Almunia or Pudil to name a few lack committment to the cause. This year's crop may not have been as good as last years - not surprising as Nani would have selected the better players (for English football) and those most enthusiatic about coming last time. The Pozzo network will bring rewards but as some have mentioned, English football is different from Spain/ Italy and it will take time to tweak the methodology to our league. be patient. At the same time the Pozzos have reiterated the committment to our academy and to Harefield. I read somewhere that it took years for Ajax's system to produce results and it is estimated that the FAs 'St Georges Park won't do so for 15 years - as you need the right coaches, set-up etc. Harefield has only been around since 2007, why do supporters think little old Watford can produce the excellent results we want faster than Ajax or the FA ??? The Pozzos proved their committment by offering long tem contracts to Murray, Smith, Bond and Hoban. And there is more and better to come down the line - but it takes time. Then not only will the core of the team (at lower Prem/ upper Chamiponship) be British, but it could be from our academy. Patience! We are 11th and will probably finish in the top ten but outside the play-offs. The play-offs is not impossible, but if we got there and won, does anyone believe we could remain in the Prem?
Not with this squad. Some of them could play in the Prem... Angella, Hoban, Tozser, Abdi, maybe Deeney and Anya. Some major signings would also be needed, keeper, wing backs, creative midfield and striker most urgently.
Agree, possibly only 4 or 5 players of Prem standard, one on loan from Genoa and played less than 6 games and one of the others has a long term injury. We all got carried away (me included) after last season and also with the new recruits in the summer. Part of me wants us to do the best we can i.e get to and win the play-offs, part of me says this squad, methodology, set-up etc is not ready yet.
[quote][p][bold]Harry's Bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]soulfulhornet[/bold] wrote: Will miss Fernando if not fit as we did v Yeovil. In the absence Abdi and with Anya not as effective as earlier in the season, we need his skill and unpredictability. Sadly, his game is equally difficult for his teammates to read as it is for opposition defenders, but if he was the finished article (better finishing, pass selection etc), he would be at a bigger club than ours most probably. If it is a hamstring unless it is very minor, I suspect he won't be playing at Bolton. All this criticism of player recruitment and lack of Britishness is a bit off point. Helgar and Nielsen weren't British and they were committed and I don't think you can say that Forestieri, Abdi, Almunia or Pudil to name a few lack committment to the cause. This year's crop may not have been as good as last years - not surprising as Nani would have selected the better players (for English football) and those most enthusiatic about coming last time. The Pozzo network will bring rewards but as some have mentioned, English football is different from Spain/ Italy and it will take time to tweak the methodology to our league. be patient. At the same time the Pozzos have reiterated the committment to our academy and to Harefield. I read somewhere that it took years for Ajax's system to produce results and it is estimated that the FAs 'St Georges Park won't do so for 15 years - as you need the right coaches, set-up etc. Harefield has only been around since 2007, why do supporters think little old Watford can produce the excellent results we want faster than Ajax or the FA ??? The Pozzos proved their committment by offering long tem contracts to Murray, Smith, Bond and Hoban. And there is more and better to come down the line - but it takes time. Then not only will the core of the team (at lower Prem/ upper Chamiponship) be British, but it could be from our academy. Patience! We are 11th and will probably finish in the top ten but outside the play-offs. The play-offs is not impossible, but if we got there and won, does anyone believe we could remain in the Prem?[/p][/quote]Not with this squad. Some of them could play in the Prem... Angella, Hoban, Tozser, Abdi, maybe Deeney and Anya. Some major signings would also be needed, keeper, wing backs, creative midfield and striker most urgently.[/p][/quote]Agree, possibly only 4 or 5 players of Prem standard, one on loan from Genoa and played less than 6 games and one of the others has a long term injury. We all got carried away (me included) after last season and also with the new recruits in the summer. Part of me wants us to do the best we can i.e get to and win the play-offs, part of me says this squad, methodology, set-up etc is not ready yet. soulfulhornet

4:59pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Goldenboy1960 says...

Unfortunately football is not and never has been a predictable science. If it was, things would be easy for all clubs. Most comments, good and bad come out of match results. But it is more complicated than that, and managing players to get the right attitude, momentum and playing as a team, and keeping them all happy is VERY DIFFICULT.

Trouble was that expectations rocketed during the summer about players we hadn't even seen. Clearly this season has been a difficult one, and NO ONE who either works for or watches any football club likes defeats.

But, supporters demand strength from the management and players, but DO NOT demonstrate that same strength of character when things are not going as expected.

Look at the stats and facts.

We have a new team trying to be built. From last season we have lost Vydra, Chalobah and Hogg through no fault of the club. We have also lost Abdi through injury. Those 4 players were very pivotal to the success last year. The club has never blamed or bemoaned that fact. All they have done is try to seek suitable replacements. Some have been good and others not, but when a new person joins any company no one actually knows whether they will perform or not.

So the ones who are moaning, please grow up and get a more stable view in your brain. We all have and are entitled to our opinions, but I like many others have seen the best policy at out football club since those halcyon days with EJ &GT.

No not everything is right, and having watched the Youth Team last night I was very disappointed with their performance (not losing the game though). But football is ever challenging, and especially when you think you have cracked it, it trips you up. So get up off the floor and work harder to get better. I'm sure Bepe is doing that. We have stopped leaking goals now and have a very good recent defensive record. The next stage is to build on that with improving the attacking side. It takes time and cannot be achieved in 5 minutes.

Just get behind the Pozzo's, club and personnel and be a part of this journey. The journey is always more enjoyable than the end product. So lets all enjoy it. We are a small club in a town with a small population and compete next door to football giants on our doorstep, but generally have competed in the top 30 to 35 clubs in the League, for the last 30 years. That is an amazing turn around given our history prior to 1982. We have had many downs, but had great times also. That is football, and makes the occasions like we experienced last year all the more enjoyable.

Just put your sensible head on and think things through before your disappointment spills out in these columns bemoaning and criticising all the time. Ask yourself if you could do any better? But let me tell you its much more difficult than one thinks.
Unfortunately football is not and never has been a predictable science. If it was, things would be easy for all clubs. Most comments, good and bad come out of match results. But it is more complicated than that, and managing players to get the right attitude, momentum and playing as a team, and keeping them all happy is VERY DIFFICULT. Trouble was that expectations rocketed during the summer about players we hadn't even seen. Clearly this season has been a difficult one, and NO ONE who either works for or watches any football club likes defeats. But, supporters demand strength from the management and players, but DO NOT demonstrate that same strength of character when things are not going as expected. Look at the stats and facts. We have a new team trying to be built. From last season we have lost Vydra, Chalobah and Hogg through no fault of the club. We have also lost Abdi through injury. Those 4 players were very pivotal to the success last year. The club has never blamed or bemoaned that fact. All they have done is try to seek suitable replacements. Some have been good and others not, but when a new person joins any company no one actually knows whether they will perform or not. So the ones who are moaning, please grow up and get a more stable view in your brain. We all have and are entitled to our opinions, but I like many others have seen the best policy at out football club since those halcyon days with EJ >. No not everything is right, and having watched the Youth Team last night I was very disappointed with their performance (not losing the game though). But football is ever challenging, and especially when you think you have cracked it, it trips you up. So get up off the floor and work harder to get better. I'm sure Bepe is doing that. We have stopped leaking goals now and have a very good recent defensive record. The next stage is to build on that with improving the attacking side. It takes time and cannot be achieved in 5 minutes. Just get behind the Pozzo's, club and personnel and be a part of this journey. The journey is always more enjoyable than the end product. So lets all enjoy it. We are a small club in a town with a small population and compete next door to football giants on our doorstep, but generally have competed in the top 30 to 35 clubs in the League, for the last 30 years. That is an amazing turn around given our history prior to 1982. We have had many downs, but had great times also. That is football, and makes the occasions like we experienced last year all the more enjoyable. Just put your sensible head on and think things through before your disappointment spills out in these columns bemoaning and criticising all the time. Ask yourself if you could do any better? But let me tell you its much more difficult than one thinks. Goldenboy1960

4:12pm Fri 21 Feb 14

soulfulhornet says...

Goldenboy1960 wrote:
Unfortunately football is not and never has been a predictable science. If it was, things would be easy for all clubs. Most comments, good and bad come out of match results. But it is more complicated than that, and managing players to get the right attitude, momentum and playing as a team, and keeping them all happy is VERY DIFFICULT. Trouble was that expectations rocketed during the summer about players we hadn't even seen. Clearly this season has been a difficult one, and NO ONE who either works for or watches any football club likes defeats. But, supporters demand strength from the management and players, but DO NOT demonstrate that same strength of character when things are not going as expected. Look at the stats and facts. We have a new team trying to be built. From last season we have lost Vydra, Chalobah and Hogg through no fault of the club. We have also lost Abdi through injury. Those 4 players were very pivotal to the success last year. The club has never blamed or bemoaned that fact. All they have done is try to seek suitable replacements. Some have been good and others not, but when a new person joins any company no one actually knows whether they will perform or not. So the ones who are moaning, please grow up and get a more stable view in your brain. We all have and are entitled to our opinions, but I like many others have seen the best policy at out football club since those halcyon days with EJ >. No not everything is right, and having watched the Youth Team last night I was very disappointed with their performance (not losing the game though). But football is ever challenging, and especially when you think you have cracked it, it trips you up. So get up off the floor and work harder to get better. I'm sure Bepe is doing that. We have stopped leaking goals now and have a very good recent defensive record. The next stage is to build on that with improving the attacking side. It takes time and cannot be achieved in 5 minutes. Just get behind the Pozzo's, club and personnel and be a part of this journey. The journey is always more enjoyable than the end product. So lets all enjoy it. We are a small club in a town with a small population and compete next door to football giants on our doorstep, but generally have competed in the top 30 to 35 clubs in the League, for the last 30 years. That is an amazing turn around given our history prior to 1982. We have had many downs, but had great times also. That is football, and makes the occasions like we experienced last year all the more enjoyable. Just put your sensible head on and think things through before your disappointment spills out in these columns bemoaning and criticising all the time. Ask yourself if you could do any better? But let me tell you its much more difficult than one thinks.
Fantastic post, I think your post sums the situation up very well and is very balanced. Since GT joined the first time, we have spent 1 season in the fourth tier, 3 in the third, 8 in the top and the rest in this division - mainly in the lower half. A fabulous acheivement for a club that had spent most of its history up until then in the lowest tier. In essence I am saying the Championship is now our natural level i.e the most frequent and about 11th/12th is about our average position. I'm sure with the Pozzos committment and support, we can add another and very successful chapter(s) in the club's history.
[quote][p][bold]Goldenboy1960[/bold] wrote: Unfortunately football is not and never has been a predictable science. If it was, things would be easy for all clubs. Most comments, good and bad come out of match results. But it is more complicated than that, and managing players to get the right attitude, momentum and playing as a team, and keeping them all happy is VERY DIFFICULT. Trouble was that expectations rocketed during the summer about players we hadn't even seen. Clearly this season has been a difficult one, and NO ONE who either works for or watches any football club likes defeats. But, supporters demand strength from the management and players, but DO NOT demonstrate that same strength of character when things are not going as expected. Look at the stats and facts. We have a new team trying to be built. From last season we have lost Vydra, Chalobah and Hogg through no fault of the club. We have also lost Abdi through injury. Those 4 players were very pivotal to the success last year. The club has never blamed or bemoaned that fact. All they have done is try to seek suitable replacements. Some have been good and others not, but when a new person joins any company no one actually knows whether they will perform or not. So the ones who are moaning, please grow up and get a more stable view in your brain. We all have and are entitled to our opinions, but I like many others have seen the best policy at out football club since those halcyon days with EJ >. No not everything is right, and having watched the Youth Team last night I was very disappointed with their performance (not losing the game though). But football is ever challenging, and especially when you think you have cracked it, it trips you up. So get up off the floor and work harder to get better. I'm sure Bepe is doing that. We have stopped leaking goals now and have a very good recent defensive record. The next stage is to build on that with improving the attacking side. It takes time and cannot be achieved in 5 minutes. Just get behind the Pozzo's, club and personnel and be a part of this journey. The journey is always more enjoyable than the end product. So lets all enjoy it. We are a small club in a town with a small population and compete next door to football giants on our doorstep, but generally have competed in the top 30 to 35 clubs in the League, for the last 30 years. That is an amazing turn around given our history prior to 1982. We have had many downs, but had great times also. That is football, and makes the occasions like we experienced last year all the more enjoyable. Just put your sensible head on and think things through before your disappointment spills out in these columns bemoaning and criticising all the time. Ask yourself if you could do any better? But let me tell you its much more difficult than one thinks.[/p][/quote]Fantastic post, I think your post sums the situation up very well and is very balanced. Since GT joined the first time, we have spent 1 season in the fourth tier, 3 in the third, 8 in the top and the rest in this division - mainly in the lower half. A fabulous acheivement for a club that had spent most of its history up until then in the lowest tier. In essence I am saying the Championship is now our natural level i.e the most frequent and about 11th/12th is about our average position. I'm sure with the Pozzos committment and support, we can add another and very successful chapter(s) in the club's history. soulfulhornet

Comments are closed on this article.

click2find

About cookies

We want you to enjoy your visit to our website. That's why we use cookies to enhance your experience. By staying on our website you agree to our use of cookies. Find out more about the cookies we use.

I agree