Petulance and awful refereeing contribute to Watford's defeat at Doncaster Rovers

Chris Sarginson should have awarded Watford a penalty and sent off Doncaster's goalkeeper before half-time. Picture: Action Images

Chris Sarginson should have awarded Watford a penalty and sent off Doncaster's goalkeeper before half-time. Picture: Action Images

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Watford suffered an agonising 2-1 defeat away to Doncaster Rovers as they were left to rue one of the worst refereeing decisions seen in recent memory at the Keepmoat Stadium.

A petulant kick-out by Mathias Ranegie saw the Hornets reduced to ten men inside the opening 20 minutes and Donny capitalised midway through the half through a fine Chris Brown header.

But Watford will attribute a significant part of the blame for their defeat to referee Chris Sarginson after he inexplicably failed to award the visitors a penalty and send off goalkeeper Sam Johnstone just before the break.

The Golden Boys responded well following the restart and equalised through Ikechi Anya’s confident finish on 68 minutes.

However, fatigue set in and Watford were defensively disorganised as Doncaster spent most of the final 20 minutes in and around the opposition penalty area.

And the pressure eventually told in the third minute of injury time when Billy Sharp capitalised when Jonathan Bond failed to deal with a long-ranged shot.

The Hornets made two changes, both of which were forced. Manuel Almunia missed out due to illness and Sean Murray’s groin problem resulted in a start for Alexander Merkel.

The opening quarter of an hour was largely uneventful but the Hornets edged the play. Ranegie had a knock-down which couldn’t be reached by a team-mate and he almost released Troy Deeney with a through-ball.

The first real chance also went the visitors’ way when Merkel had a low drive saved from the edge of the area following a one-two with Deeney.

But the momentum shifted on 19 minutes when Husband outmuscled Ranegie off the ball and after the pair tangled, the Watford striker kicked the left back. The referee didn’t appear to see the incident and the linesman didn’t flag but they came to the correct decision as the Sweden international was given a straight red card.

Doncaster did the right thing as they subsequently kept the ball patiently and the opening goal came five minutes later. James Coppinger delivered a superb cross from the right and Brown headed powerful into the goal.

Rovers’ pressure increased as David Cotterill shot wide and then after Mark Duffy had a shot stopped, Deeney did excellently to block his follow-up.

The Hornets did have their own shot blocked half an hour into the contest through Gabriele Angella and Ikechi Anya’s low cross into the six-yard box was cleared.

Then in the 41st minute came one of the worst refereeing decisions seen during a Watford match in recent years. Deeney dived to block Johnstone’s clearance following a short back-pass and as the striker got to his feet, he was pulled down by the keeper yards from goal in a rugby tackle-like fashion. It was one of the most blatant penalties you will see and a certain red card but the referee inexplicably failed to point to the spot.

All of the talk in the press room at half time was about the incredible decision by referee Sarginson.

The second half was a balanced affair and the visitors should have scored the equaliser seven minutes after the restart. Merkel struck a lovely free-kick from 20 yards which rebounded off the crossbar and the ball bounced up too quickly for Deeney to direct it into the net inside the six-yard area, with the ball instead sailing over.

Like the first half, the momentum of the match shifted significantly in a one-minute period.

Doncaster should have gone 2-0 up when a neat through ball from Richie Wellens released Billy Sharp and the striker should have got a shot away before Daniel Pudil made a superb last-ditch tackle.

The Golden Boys then went straight up the other end and substitute Fernando Forestieri beat his man on the left flank before picking out the excellent run of Anya with a fine lofted pass and the Scotland winger finished confidently into the bottom corner.

Watford had gone to a 4-2-2-1 formation following the introduction of Forestieri, with the Argentine playing wide left and Anya on the right of Deeney, and the decision worked well in terms of the goal.

But it was all one-way traffic in the final 20 minutes as Doncaster laid siege to Watford’s goal.

Moments after the equaliser, Duffy’s lovely cross picked out Sharp at the far post but he couldn’t direct the ball in from close range.

Watford goalkeeper Bond had a mixed final quarter of an hour. He fumbled a cross under pressure which almost led to a goal for Sharp but he also made a superb save to deny Wellens.

Doncaster missed a host of excellent chances in the second half and Brown should have scored when he flicked the ball wide from four yards out.

Watford’s defensive organisation was chaotic to say the least – almost nonexistent.

Keegan beat Bond with a shot in the final ten minutes but this time Angella cleared off the line, Duffy had a free-kick well saved and Keegan shot wide from inside the area.

It looked as though Watford had just about survived but in the third minute of injury-time, Bond wasn’t able to hold on to Duffy’s low shot from outside the area and Sharp was able to slide in to score the deciding goal.

It was an agonising way to lose but Watford could have few complaints as the winning goal had been coming for Doncaster.

Doncaster line-up: Johnstone; Coppinger, Quinn, Meite (McCullough 45), Husband; Duffy, Keegan, Wellens, Cotterill; Brown, Sharp.

Subs: Maxted, Furman, De Val, Robinson, Stevens, Bowery.

Watford line-up: Bond; Doyley, Cassetti, Angella; Anya, Battocchio (Faraoni 88), Tozser, Merkel (Forestieri 59), Pudil; Deeney, Ranegie.

Subs: Woods, Belkalem, McGugan, Neill, Hoban.

Referee: Christopher Sarginson.

Attendance: 6,581 (429).

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10:08pm Tue 11 Mar 14

EltonForever says...

We deserved little more than we got!

I feel sorry for the fans who made the journey only to be let down by a player who should know better.

When will we learn?
We deserved little more than we got! I feel sorry for the fans who made the journey only to be let down by a player who should know better. When will we learn? EltonForever
  • Score: 5

10:09pm Tue 11 Mar 14

The BestTrip2011 says...

When will we ever learn? Ill-discipline has cost us yet again along with our inability to see out a game.
I can't even be bothered to be p*ssed off any more - what's the point?
Roll on next season with something different, though I've no idea what.
When will we ever learn? Ill-discipline has cost us yet again along with our inability to see out a game. I can't even be bothered to be p*ssed off any more - what's the point? Roll on next season with something different, though I've no idea what. The BestTrip2011
  • Score: 15

10:10pm Tue 11 Mar 14

only5foot3 says...

All too familiar comment of inadequate refereeing.

Shame but sounds like our ten men were a match for their 12
All too familiar comment of inadequate refereeing. Shame but sounds like our ten men were a match for their 12 only5foot3
  • Score: 30

10:17pm Tue 11 Mar 14

HornetJJ says...

EltonForever wrote:
We deserved little more than we got!

I feel sorry for the fans who made the journey only to be let down by a player who should know better.

When will we learn?
Not really. The 10 men could not have given anymore and thoroughly deserved more than they got. It should have been 10 v 10 and 1-1 at half time and only one team would have won that game and it wasn't Doncaster.
[quote][p][bold]EltonForever[/bold] wrote: We deserved little more than we got! I feel sorry for the fans who made the journey only to be let down by a player who should know better. When will we learn?[/p][/quote]Not really. The 10 men could not have given anymore and thoroughly deserved more than they got. It should have been 10 v 10 and 1-1 at half time and only one team would have won that game and it wasn't Doncaster. HornetJJ
  • Score: 37

10:20pm Tue 11 Mar 14

Penrice says...

'And there's been late drama at the Keepmoat stadium...'

I think we all knew what was coming next. Seen this film a few dozen times over the last few seasons.

Gutted for those that braved the trip.
'And there's been late drama at the Keepmoat stadium...' I think we all knew what was coming next. Seen this film a few dozen times over the last few seasons. Gutted for those that braved the trip. Penrice
  • Score: 33

10:21pm Tue 11 Mar 14

EltonForever says...

EltonForever wrote:
We deserved little more than we got!

I feel sorry for the fans who made the journey only to be let down by a player who should know better.

When will we learn?
P.s. I will agree with whatever Cornetto might say this evening!

As The Best Trip 2011 says above, it is difficult to get too hacked off anymore about this season. A winner in the 93rd minute was simply all too predictable.

Grrrr.
[quote][p][bold]EltonForever[/bold] wrote: We deserved little more than we got! I feel sorry for the fans who made the journey only to be let down by a player who should know better. When will we learn?[/p][/quote]P.s. I will agree with whatever Cornetto might say this evening! As The Best Trip 2011 says above, it is difficult to get too hacked off anymore about this season. A winner in the 93rd minute was simply all too predictable. Grrrr. EltonForever
  • Score: 11

10:25pm Tue 11 Mar 14

exeterhornet says...

Crap at Yeovil, petulant tonight, decent v a crap Blackpool. Come on clappers, give me grief.
Crap at Yeovil, petulant tonight, decent v a crap Blackpool. Come on clappers, give me grief. exeterhornet
  • Score: -6

10:26pm Tue 11 Mar 14

Hornet Cornet says...

EltonForever wrote:
EltonForever wrote: We deserved little more than we got! I feel sorry for the fans who made the journey only to be let down by a player who should know better. When will we learn?
P.s. I will agree with whatever Cornetto might say this evening! As The Best Trip 2011 says above, it is difficult to get too hacked off anymore about this season. A winner in the 93rd minute was simply all too predictable. Grrrr.
I too am past being annoyed any more.

Sick of it all and sick as to how poor things have been after the hope of last season.

Don't even know how we're going to 'rebuild' over summer.

Ta ta

HC
[quote][p][bold]EltonForever[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]EltonForever[/bold] wrote: We deserved little more than we got! I feel sorry for the fans who made the journey only to be let down by a player who should know better. When will we learn?[/p][/quote]P.s. I will agree with whatever Cornetto might say this evening! As The Best Trip 2011 says above, it is difficult to get too hacked off anymore about this season. A winner in the 93rd minute was simply all too predictable. Grrrr.[/p][/quote]I too am past being annoyed any more. Sick of it all and sick as to how poor things have been after the hope of last season. Don't even know how we're going to 'rebuild' over summer. Ta ta HC Hornet Cornet
  • Score: 1

10:29pm Tue 11 Mar 14

downunderorn says...

Unfortunately all to familiar scenario. Twelve against ten, great equaliser, then the last minute concede. Still should be getting use to it by now I have been a fan since 1951!!! UORNS
Unfortunately all to familiar scenario. Twelve against ten, great equaliser, then the last minute concede. Still should be getting use to it by now I have been a fan since 1951!!! UORNS downunderorn
  • Score: 12

10:32pm Tue 11 Mar 14

rogeruk says...

Ranegie should have 3 weeks’ salary taken from him, if he doesn't like it then leave the club.

The same type of incident v Leeds last season cost Watford nearly £100 million and who knows Raneige has done the same this season.

It cannot go on!

The fans are there to support this club, the quality of the players is good enough.

What’s lacking is the operational management of the club and ultimately the Pozzos who have made mistakes, will be particularly gut-wrenching if Shaun Dyche deservedly gets Burnley into the Premier League this season with a small squad which looks highly likely.
Ranegie should have 3 weeks’ salary taken from him, if he doesn't like it then leave the club. The same type of incident v Leeds last season cost Watford nearly £100 million and who knows Raneige has done the same this season. It cannot go on! The fans are there to support this club, the quality of the players is good enough. What’s lacking is the operational management of the club and ultimately the Pozzos who have made mistakes, will be particularly gut-wrenching if Shaun Dyche deservedly gets Burnley into the Premier League this season with a small squad which looks highly likely. rogeruk
  • Score: 19

10:37pm Tue 11 Mar 14

exeterhornet says...

Come on, no one has slagged me off yet. All you wise guys , where are you?
Come on, no one has slagged me off yet. All you wise guys , where are you? exeterhornet
  • Score: -23

10:39pm Tue 11 Mar 14

VOReason says...

exeterhornet wrote:
Come on, no one has slagged me off yet. All you wise guys , where are you?
Why do you want him to fail?

Why do you want us to fail?

I imagine you get enough grief from the rest of your existence.

How many of those games did you even go to?
[quote][p][bold]exeterhornet[/bold] wrote: Come on, no one has slagged me off yet. All you wise guys , where are you?[/p][/quote]Why do you want him to fail? Why do you want us to fail? I imagine you get enough grief from the rest of your existence. How many of those games did you even go to? VOReason
  • Score: 25

10:50pm Tue 11 Mar 14

happy.hornet says...

Its a frigging long trip back home tonight from donny. Probably the worst referee I have ever had the pleasure to suffer. Absolutely spineless and inconsistent. Rangerie no excuses but their keeper should bave gone. Team was so angry at pen decision they came steaming second half, but ran out of steam ten mins to go. We seemed to be sitting back to preserve a point.
Its a frigging long trip back home tonight from donny. Probably the worst referee I have ever had the pleasure to suffer. Absolutely spineless and inconsistent. Rangerie no excuses but their keeper should bave gone. Team was so angry at pen decision they came steaming second half, but ran out of steam ten mins to go. We seemed to be sitting back to preserve a point. happy.hornet
  • Score: 15

10:51pm Tue 11 Mar 14

Hornet Cornet says...

exeterhornet wrote:
Crap at Yeovil, petulant tonight, decent v a crap Blackpool. Come on clappers, give me grief.
Can't give you grief dude as you're stating facts. I like facts.

HC
[quote][p][bold]exeterhornet[/bold] wrote: Crap at Yeovil, petulant tonight, decent v a crap Blackpool. Come on clappers, give me grief.[/p][/quote]Can't give you grief dude as you're stating facts. I like facts. HC Hornet Cornet
  • Score: -5

10:53pm Tue 11 Mar 14

exeterhornet says...

I don't want him to fail, I don't want anyone in a yellow shirt to fail. I want a balanced opinion. I was absolutely slaughtered on here after the Blackpool game because he scored two goals v a crap team. I accept he had not played for yonks prior to Yeovil but that did not excuse IN MY OPINION ( not fact) a dreadful performance on the evening. I hope he becomes the next Ross Jenkins (original) but I refuse to back down to internet bullies on here who seem to think that anyone who posts anything remotely critical of anything WFC related as being a heretic.
I don't want him to fail, I don't want anyone in a yellow shirt to fail. I want a balanced opinion. I was absolutely slaughtered on here after the Blackpool game because he scored two goals v a crap team. I accept he had not played for yonks prior to Yeovil but that did not excuse IN MY OPINION ( not fact) a dreadful performance on the evening. I hope he becomes the next Ross Jenkins (original) but I refuse to back down to internet bullies on here who seem to think that anyone who posts anything remotely critical of anything WFC related as being a heretic. exeterhornet
  • Score: 6

10:54pm Tue 11 Mar 14

VOReason says...

Hornet Cornet wrote:
exeterhornet wrote:
Crap at Yeovil, petulant tonight, decent v a crap Blackpool. Come on clappers, give me grief.
Can't give you grief dude as you're stating facts. I like facts.

HC
Fact you went to none of those games.
[quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]exeterhornet[/bold] wrote: Crap at Yeovil, petulant tonight, decent v a crap Blackpool. Come on clappers, give me grief.[/p][/quote]Can't give you grief dude as you're stating facts. I like facts. HC[/p][/quote]Fact you went to none of those games. VOReason
  • Score: 7

10:59pm Tue 11 Mar 14

VOReason says...

exeterhornet wrote:
I don't want him to fail, I don't want anyone in a yellow shirt to fail. I want a balanced opinion. I was absolutely slaughtered on here after the Blackpool game because he scored two goals v a crap team. I accept he had not played for yonks prior to Yeovil but that did not excuse IN MY OPINION ( not fact) a dreadful performance on the evening. I hope he becomes the next Ross Jenkins (original) but I refuse to back down to internet bullies on here who seem to think that anyone who posts anything remotely critical of anything WFC related as being a heretic.
I don't dispute what he did tonight was petulant and he should be heavily fined. You refer to internet bullies but you came on tonight seeking confrontation.

I disagreed with your assessment of Yeovil, and I thought most people wanted to slag his ability off as a way of slagging nani off.
[quote][p][bold]exeterhornet[/bold] wrote: I don't want him to fail, I don't want anyone in a yellow shirt to fail. I want a balanced opinion. I was absolutely slaughtered on here after the Blackpool game because he scored two goals v a crap team. I accept he had not played for yonks prior to Yeovil but that did not excuse IN MY OPINION ( not fact) a dreadful performance on the evening. I hope he becomes the next Ross Jenkins (original) but I refuse to back down to internet bullies on here who seem to think that anyone who posts anything remotely critical of anything WFC related as being a heretic.[/p][/quote]I don't dispute what he did tonight was petulant and he should be heavily fined. You refer to internet bullies but you came on tonight seeking confrontation. I disagreed with your assessment of Yeovil, and I thought most people wanted to slag his ability off as a way of slagging nani off. VOReason
  • Score: 9

10:59pm Tue 11 Mar 14

WessexLad says...

We wuz robbed!
We wuz robbed! WessexLad
  • Score: -2

11:00pm Tue 11 Mar 14

exeterhornet says...

Wrong, again. Went to yeovil and Blackpool? Didn't go though somI suppose that makes me a crap fan. So come on then bigbollocks, did you do all three?
Wrong, again. Went to yeovil and Blackpool? Didn't go though somI suppose that makes me a crap fan. So come on then bigbollocks, did you do all three? exeterhornet
  • Score: -9

11:02pm Tue 11 Mar 14

allgood says...

happy.hornet wrote:
Its a frigging long trip back home tonight from donny. Probably the worst referee I have ever had the pleasure to suffer. Absolutely spineless and inconsistent. Rangerie no excuses but their keeper should bave gone. Team was so angry at pen decision they came steaming second half, but ran out of steam ten mins to go. We seemed to be sitting back to preserve a point.
We often sit back to preserve what we have got, like at Man City and Forest and end up with nothing like tonight.
[quote][p][bold]happy.hornet[/bold] wrote: Its a frigging long trip back home tonight from donny. Probably the worst referee I have ever had the pleasure to suffer. Absolutely spineless and inconsistent. Rangerie no excuses but their keeper should bave gone. Team was so angry at pen decision they came steaming second half, but ran out of steam ten mins to go. We seemed to be sitting back to preserve a point.[/p][/quote]We often sit back to preserve what we have got, like at Man City and Forest and end up with nothing like tonight. allgood
  • Score: 20

11:02pm Tue 11 Mar 14

BryantheOrn says...

exeterhornet wrote:
Come on, no one has slagged me off yet. All you wise guys , where are you?
You ain't worth the effort.
[quote][p][bold]exeterhornet[/bold] wrote: Come on, no one has slagged me off yet. All you wise guys , where are you?[/p][/quote]You ain't worth the effort. BryantheOrn
  • Score: 10

11:03pm Tue 11 Mar 14

KeithMercer says...

exeterhornet wrote:
I don't want him to fail, I don't want anyone in a yellow shirt to fail. I want a balanced opinion. I was absolutely slaughtered on here after the Blackpool game because he scored two goals v a crap team. I accept he had not played for yonks prior to Yeovil but that did not excuse IN MY OPINION ( not fact) a dreadful performance on the evening. I hope he becomes the next Ross Jenkins (original) but I refuse to back down to internet bullies on here who seem to think that anyone who posts anything remotely critical of anything WFC related as being a heretic.
Whats your problem mate ?
we lost tonight if you have not realised, and all you seem to want to do is score points and brag about how clever you are and keep going on over old ground. Move on pal no ones interested in your posturing !!
[quote][p][bold]exeterhornet[/bold] wrote: I don't want him to fail, I don't want anyone in a yellow shirt to fail. I want a balanced opinion. I was absolutely slaughtered on here after the Blackpool game because he scored two goals v a crap team. I accept he had not played for yonks prior to Yeovil but that did not excuse IN MY OPINION ( not fact) a dreadful performance on the evening. I hope he becomes the next Ross Jenkins (original) but I refuse to back down to internet bullies on here who seem to think that anyone who posts anything remotely critical of anything WFC related as being a heretic.[/p][/quote]Whats your problem mate ? we lost tonight if you have not realised, and all you seem to want to do is score points and brag about how clever you are and keep going on over old ground. Move on pal no ones interested in your posturing !! KeithMercer
  • Score: 19

11:08pm Tue 11 Mar 14

exeterhornet says...

VOR, our posts seem to be crossing each other. It's all about opinions, so tell me why do you think I appear to come on here seeking confrontation - because my opinion differs to yours ? So now prove you hold the moral high ground and APOLOGISE for falsely stating that I did not attend either the yeovil or Blackpool games. The sign of A TRUE MAN is one who admits he is wrong.
VOR, our posts seem to be crossing each other. It's all about opinions, so tell me why do you think I appear to come on here seeking confrontation - because my opinion differs to yours ? So now prove you hold the moral high ground and APOLOGISE for falsely stating that I did not attend either the yeovil or Blackpool games. The sign of A TRUE MAN is one who admits he is wrong. exeterhornet
  • Score: -15

11:09pm Tue 11 Mar 14

WJames says...

The team lost to Doncaster - pathetic. Hanging on again against a rubbish team with or without ten men is not good enough - why are they now not trained to deal with playing with one less player. It happens - prepare for it. Late drama...it's not drama anymore because these gutless, spineless, uneducated little fools who run around in front of us make the same mistake time and time again. Referees don't win or lose you games, however bad they are. We could not beat another of the worst teams in the league and all those on the playing side should hang their heads in shame. Respect to all the other 300-400 fans who made the journey, the players, not the referee, should give us an apology.
The team lost to Doncaster - pathetic. Hanging on again against a rubbish team with or without ten men is not good enough - why are they now not trained to deal with playing with one less player. It happens - prepare for it. Late drama...it's not drama anymore because these gutless, spineless, uneducated little fools who run around in front of us make the same mistake time and time again. Referees don't win or lose you games, however bad they are. We could not beat another of the worst teams in the league and all those on the playing side should hang their heads in shame. Respect to all the other 300-400 fans who made the journey, the players, not the referee, should give us an apology. WJames
  • Score: -5

11:17pm Tue 11 Mar 14

exeterhornet says...

Keith mercer
One, I am not your mate, nor do i desire to be
Two, I don't claim to be clever, or right, but I have a different opinion to some folk on here - is that really so difficult to comprehend?
Three, if you are not interested in my "posturing" then why do you bother to post?
Keith mercer One, I am not your mate, nor do i desire to be Two, I don't claim to be clever, or right, but I have a different opinion to some folk on here - is that really so difficult to comprehend? Three, if you are not interested in my "posturing" then why do you bother to post? exeterhornet
  • Score: -21

11:30pm Tue 11 Mar 14

errollg says...

It was hard to see the Ranegie incident from the away end but the whole Doncaster stand rose immediately, so I presume there was something. If so, it was really, really stupid, especially so early in the game.

The ref gave most of the 50-50s against us. Doncaster could have easily had another man sent off in the last few minutes for dangerous/ very reckless tackle from behind.

The Deeney decision appeared obvious even from the other end. It was the sort of decision that will get noticed.

Although Watford lost in the last minute we were all cheering the team at the end, really encouraged - it was if we had won, not Doncaster. The Doncaster fans didn't even celebrate at the final whistle. Their support was really poor all night. Well done the travelling Yellow Army, brilliant!
It was hard to see the Ranegie incident from the away end but the whole Doncaster stand rose immediately, so I presume there was something. If so, it was really, really stupid, especially so early in the game. The ref gave most of the 50-50s against us. Doncaster could have easily had another man sent off in the last few minutes for dangerous/ very reckless tackle from behind. The Deeney decision appeared obvious even from the other end. It was the sort of decision that will get noticed. Although Watford lost in the last minute we were all cheering the team at the end, really encouraged - it was if we had won, not Doncaster. The Doncaster fans didn't even celebrate at the final whistle. Their support was really poor all night. Well done the travelling Yellow Army, brilliant! errollg
  • Score: 22

11:30pm Tue 11 Mar 14

exeterhornet says...

VOR, Keith Mercer, it's all gone quiet.
I rest my case
VOR, Keith Mercer, it's all gone quiet. I rest my case exeterhornet
  • Score: -20

11:43pm Tue 11 Mar 14

Hornet Cornet says...

Apart from the travelling fans, I feel sorry for Beppe who has been badly failed by Renegade, or whatever his name is. I am ashamed to have someone sent off and not respecting what it means to play for watford. I am ashamed of the government charging inheritance tax. I am appalled by the weakness of the UK benefits system. Above everything else, I am saddened by the voting in Dancing on Ice.

HC
Apart from the travelling fans, I feel sorry for Beppe who has been badly failed by Renegade, or whatever his name is. I am ashamed to have someone sent off and not respecting what it means to play for watford. I am ashamed of the government charging inheritance tax. I am appalled by the weakness of the UK benefits system. Above everything else, I am saddened by the voting in Dancing on Ice. HC Hornet Cornet
  • Score: -10

12:05am Wed 12 Mar 14

Henry VIII says...

Two huge factors cost us tonight. Discipline, I cannot recall quite so many red cards in a season for us in recent memory - I am not saying that we are Saints, but the stupidity of such an action is so costly to your team mates.
The referee. Why is it that Watford FC always seem to be on the wrong end of a weak, inept ref? Obviously people will shout and say that I am biased because I am a WFC fan, but statistically we do seem to be on the end of some appalling decisions the past five years. I guess the ten men got tired towards the end, but the Football League should be held accountable for the standard of ref at any Championship game. He clearly was not good enough - and there should be some form of discipline for him, but there won't be. It will carry on, and the Watford FC highlights on a Saturday night will be reduced to a 30 second run as we all know that someone (several) punters hate us, for whatever reason. A bitter pill tonight, some Lem Sip and a dash of lime to follow. I can take a loss, but a fair loss. Is it too much to ask for a ref that actually has ball$, a knowledge of the game? I guess so.
Two huge factors cost us tonight. Discipline, I cannot recall quite so many red cards in a season for us in recent memory - I am not saying that we are Saints, but the stupidity of such an action is so costly to your team mates. The referee. Why is it that Watford FC always seem to be on the wrong end of a weak, inept ref? Obviously people will shout and say that I am biased because I am a WFC fan, but statistically we do seem to be on the end of some appalling decisions the past five years. I guess the ten men got tired towards the end, but the Football League should be held accountable for the standard of ref at any Championship game. He clearly was not good enough - and there should be some form of discipline for him, but there won't be. It will carry on, and the Watford FC highlights on a Saturday night will be reduced to a 30 second run as we all know that someone (several) punters hate us, for whatever reason. A bitter pill tonight, some Lem Sip and a dash of lime to follow. I can take a loss, but a fair loss. Is it too much to ask for a ref that actually has ball$, a knowledge of the game? I guess so. Henry VIII
  • Score: 13

12:12am Wed 12 Mar 14

rogeruk says...

Hornet Cornet wrote:
Apart from the travelling fans, I feel sorry for Beppe who has been badly failed by Renegade, or whatever his name is. I am ashamed to have someone sent off and not respecting what it means to play for watford. I am ashamed of the government charging inheritance tax. I am appalled by the weakness of the UK benefits system. Above everything else, I am saddened by the voting in Dancing on Ice.

HC
What about the very high tax on alcohol? Given you are one of the govt's best customers must hit you badly?
[quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: Apart from the travelling fans, I feel sorry for Beppe who has been badly failed by Renegade, or whatever his name is. I am ashamed to have someone sent off and not respecting what it means to play for watford. I am ashamed of the government charging inheritance tax. I am appalled by the weakness of the UK benefits system. Above everything else, I am saddened by the voting in Dancing on Ice. HC[/p][/quote]What about the very high tax on alcohol? Given you are one of the govt's best customers must hit you badly? rogeruk
  • Score: -9

12:25am Wed 12 Mar 14

rogeruk says...

Part of his biography on Football League site;

Chris Sarginson now 46 years old (with two years to retirement) will take with him many fond memories - among them, running the line in the 2005 FA Vase final at White Hart Lane, when Didcot Town defeated AFC Sudbury 3-2, and in the 2005 second division Play-Off final at the Millennium Stadium, when Southend United beat Lincoln City 2-0 after extra time.

Says it all really. Report on him should read;

Should have gone to specsavers.
Sets standards of mediocrity and fails to achieve them!

These days all UK organisations and institutions have appallingly low standards with no comebacks for the human failures at all levels! Next time you vote make it for Putin he will sort our country out!
Part of his biography on Football League site; Chris Sarginson now 46 years old (with two years to retirement) will take with him many fond memories - among them, running the line in the 2005 FA Vase final at White Hart Lane, when Didcot Town defeated AFC Sudbury 3-2, and in the 2005 second division Play-Off final at the Millennium Stadium, when Southend United beat Lincoln City 2-0 after extra time. Says it all really. Report on him should read; Should have gone to specsavers. Sets standards of mediocrity and fails to achieve them! These days all UK organisations and institutions have appallingly low standards with no comebacks for the human failures at all levels! Next time you vote make it for Putin he will sort our country out! rogeruk
  • Score: 1

12:33am Wed 12 Mar 14

MainStandShambles says...

Having just come in from work and seen the goals on Sky Sports News i can report that Ranegie had to be red carded for the kick but the camera angle clearly shows that the Donny player ran round him and trod on his hand before being kicked, then gesticulating wildly for the referee to send Ranegie off and deflecting from his own misdemeanor.

I'm certainly not condoning Ranegie's behavior but there are definitely extenuating circumstances that you should note in this mornings reshowing of the Championship action although they didn't show the non-penalty incident unfortunately.
Having just come in from work and seen the goals on Sky Sports News i can report that Ranegie had to be red carded for the kick but the camera angle clearly shows that the Donny player ran round him and trod on his hand before being kicked, then gesticulating wildly for the referee to send Ranegie off and deflecting from his own misdemeanor. I'm certainly not condoning Ranegie's behavior but there are definitely extenuating circumstances that you should note in this mornings reshowing of the Championship action although they didn't show the non-penalty incident unfortunately. MainStandShambles
  • Score: 11

6:02am Wed 12 Mar 14

northofwatfordpete says...

Henry VIII wrote:
Two huge factors cost us tonight. Discipline, I cannot recall quite so many red cards in a season for us in recent memory - I am not saying that we are Saints, but the stupidity of such an action is so costly to your team mates.
The referee. Why is it that Watford FC always seem to be on the wrong end of a weak, inept ref? Obviously people will shout and say that I am biased because I am a WFC fan, but statistically we do seem to be on the end of some appalling decisions the past five years. I guess the ten men got tired towards the end, but the Football League should be held accountable for the standard of ref at any Championship game. He clearly was not good enough - and there should be some form of discipline for him, but there won't be. It will carry on, and the Watford FC highlights on a Saturday night will be reduced to a 30 second run as we all know that someone (several) punters hate us, for whatever reason. A bitter pill tonight, some Lem Sip and a dash of lime to follow. I can take a loss, but a fair loss. Is it too much to ask for a ref that actually has ball$, a knowledge of the game? I guess so.
I did some research a couple of seasons ago into penalties awarded across all four divisions and if you wore a yellow shirt you were far less likely to be awarded a penalty - strange but true.
[quote][p][bold]Henry VIII[/bold] wrote: Two huge factors cost us tonight. Discipline, I cannot recall quite so many red cards in a season for us in recent memory - I am not saying that we are Saints, but the stupidity of such an action is so costly to your team mates. The referee. Why is it that Watford FC always seem to be on the wrong end of a weak, inept ref? Obviously people will shout and say that I am biased because I am a WFC fan, but statistically we do seem to be on the end of some appalling decisions the past five years. I guess the ten men got tired towards the end, but the Football League should be held accountable for the standard of ref at any Championship game. He clearly was not good enough - and there should be some form of discipline for him, but there won't be. It will carry on, and the Watford FC highlights on a Saturday night will be reduced to a 30 second run as we all know that someone (several) punters hate us, for whatever reason. A bitter pill tonight, some Lem Sip and a dash of lime to follow. I can take a loss, but a fair loss. Is it too much to ask for a ref that actually has ball$, a knowledge of the game? I guess so.[/p][/quote]I did some research a couple of seasons ago into penalties awarded across all four divisions and if you wore a yellow shirt you were far less likely to be awarded a penalty - strange but true. northofwatfordpete
  • Score: 2

6:21am Wed 12 Mar 14

VOReason says...

exeterhornet wrote:
VOR, our posts seem to be crossing each other. It's all about opinions, so tell me why do you think I appear to come on here seeking confrontation - because my opinion differs to yours ? So now prove you hold the moral high ground and APOLOGISE for falsely stating that I did not attend either the yeovil or Blackpool games. The sign of A TRUE MAN is one who admits he is wrong.
You look for confrontation when you post not once but twice requesting 'clappers give you grief'

You refer to those who disagree with you as internet bullies.

At 11.30 who accuse me of going quiet, as you can see from the time of this post my work schedule does not allow me to argue with you till silly o'clock.

I too went to Yeovil and blackpool but not last night, I asked how many you went to, I never stated that you did not go. I did about hornet cornet but knows he is an armchair fan!!!!

As I say to all fans on here, let's meet and have a chat over a pint next home game, then go one us hiding behind a PC keyboard.

Ps I hope the cider hangover is not too fierce this morning!
[quote][p][bold]exeterhornet[/bold] wrote: VOR, our posts seem to be crossing each other. It's all about opinions, so tell me why do you think I appear to come on here seeking confrontation - because my opinion differs to yours ? So now prove you hold the moral high ground and APOLOGISE for falsely stating that I did not attend either the yeovil or Blackpool games. The sign of A TRUE MAN is one who admits he is wrong.[/p][/quote]You look for confrontation when you post not once but twice requesting 'clappers give you grief' You refer to those who disagree with you as internet bullies. At 11.30 who accuse me of going quiet, as you can see from the time of this post my work schedule does not allow me to argue with you till silly o'clock. I too went to Yeovil and blackpool but not last night, I asked how many you went to, I never stated that you did not go. I did about hornet cornet but knows he is an armchair fan!!!! As I say to all fans on here, let's meet and have a chat over a pint next home game, then go one us hiding behind a PC keyboard. Ps I hope the cider hangover is not too fierce this morning! VOReason
  • Score: 6

7:41am Wed 12 Mar 14

tiger bay says...

exeterhornet wrote:
VOR, Keith Mercer, it's all gone quiet.
I rest my case
Don't worry about Mercer. .he's a little pipsqueak named Jeffery who comes on here randomly to bad mouth people who dare say anything critical. I dared to say a while back that we are a mid table side and suffered death by a billion thumbs down. .I wear my thumbs down as a badge of honour. .you should too. Don't let Jeffery and his ilk get to you, they really aren't worth it. .
[quote][p][bold]exeterhornet[/bold] wrote: VOR, Keith Mercer, it's all gone quiet. I rest my case[/p][/quote]Don't worry about Mercer. .he's a little pipsqueak named Jeffery who comes on here randomly to bad mouth people who dare say anything critical. I dared to say a while back that we are a mid table side and suffered death by a billion thumbs down. .I wear my thumbs down as a badge of honour. .you should too. Don't let Jeffery and his ilk get to you, they really aren't worth it. . tiger bay
  • Score: -2

8:44am Wed 12 Mar 14

JonBoy says...

It is time to see what the Pozzos are made of. They have clearly underestimated how difficult it is to get promoted from the Championship. Building the east stand is a signal that they're here for the long term but they will have to change their model to get us into the premier$hip. Loans and internal transfers are not working currently, perhaps we need the traditional manager rather than head coach and recruiter
It is time to see what the Pozzos are made of. They have clearly underestimated how difficult it is to get promoted from the Championship. Building the east stand is a signal that they're here for the long term but they will have to change their model to get us into the premier$hip. Loans and internal transfers are not working currently, perhaps we need the traditional manager rather than head coach and recruiter JonBoy
  • Score: 13

8:50am Wed 12 Mar 14

gloryhornet4 says...

rogeruk wrote:
Part of his biography on Football League site;

Chris Sarginson now 46 years old (with two years to retirement) will take with him many fond memories - among them, running the line in the 2005 FA Vase final at White Hart Lane, when Didcot Town defeated AFC Sudbury 3-2, and in the 2005 second division Play-Off final at the Millennium Stadium, when Southend United beat Lincoln City 2-0 after extra time.

Says it all really. Report on him should read;

Should have gone to specsavers.
Sets standards of mediocrity and fails to achieve them!

These days all UK organisations and institutions have appallingly low standards with no comebacks for the human failures at all levels! Next time you vote make it for Putin he will sort our country out!
I am trying to think of a way that the Championship could have poorer ref displays than the goalie rugby tackling Troy and him not responding.

To be fair to the ref he has shown he can turn up with his hair combed and he dressed himself. Can't verify either but I think he deserves the benefit of the doubt.
[quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: Part of his biography on Football League site; Chris Sarginson now 46 years old (with two years to retirement) will take with him many fond memories - among them, running the line in the 2005 FA Vase final at White Hart Lane, when Didcot Town defeated AFC Sudbury 3-2, and in the 2005 second division Play-Off final at the Millennium Stadium, when Southend United beat Lincoln City 2-0 after extra time. Says it all really. Report on him should read; Should have gone to specsavers. Sets standards of mediocrity and fails to achieve them! These days all UK organisations and institutions have appallingly low standards with no comebacks for the human failures at all levels! Next time you vote make it for Putin he will sort our country out![/p][/quote]I am trying to think of a way that the Championship could have poorer ref displays than the goalie rugby tackling Troy and him not responding. To be fair to the ref he has shown he can turn up with his hair combed and he dressed himself. Can't verify either but I think he deserves the benefit of the doubt. gloryhornet4
  • Score: 7

8:51am Wed 12 Mar 14

bigthunder says...

Up until xmas nobody sent off , nani brings in Ranegie , merkel and Diakite , all now been sent off for violent conduct , all received 3 games ban , total of 9 games lost of these players , irrelevant whether they are rated by some or not this is pathetic and shows just how little work goes into studying the charachter and if these players are championship material , we all new diakite was an accident waiting to happen enough QPR fans told us
recruitment again under the spotlight and the role of Mr Nani , be nice to hear something out of the club on this area quite simple with odd exemption a shamble and he is paid circ £250 k for doing this !
Up until xmas nobody sent off , nani brings in Ranegie , merkel and Diakite , all now been sent off for violent conduct , all received 3 games ban , total of 9 games lost of these players , irrelevant whether they are rated by some or not this is pathetic and shows just how little work goes into studying the charachter and if these players are championship material , we all new diakite was an accident waiting to happen enough QPR fans told us recruitment again under the spotlight and the role of Mr Nani , be nice to hear something out of the club on this area quite simple with odd exemption a shamble and he is paid circ £250 k for doing this ! bigthunder
  • Score: 6

8:55am Wed 12 Mar 14

Hornankey says...

JonBoy wrote:
It is time to see what the Pozzos are made of. They have clearly underestimated how difficult it is to get promoted from the Championship. Building the east stand is a signal that they're here for the long term but they will have to change their model to get us into the premier$hip. Loans and internal transfers are not working currently, perhaps we need the traditional manager rather than head coach and recruiter
I quite agree. I have wondered from the start at the Pozzos' ambition. They have 3 clubs all in mid-low table positions in their respective leagues. Do they have ambition for all or any of their clubs or is their business simply talent management - hoping to groom the occasional player for a rich reward in the transfer market?
[quote][p][bold]JonBoy[/bold] wrote: It is time to see what the Pozzos are made of. They have clearly underestimated how difficult it is to get promoted from the Championship. Building the east stand is a signal that they're here for the long term but they will have to change their model to get us into the premier$hip. Loans and internal transfers are not working currently, perhaps we need the traditional manager rather than head coach and recruiter[/p][/quote]I quite agree. I have wondered from the start at the Pozzos' ambition. They have 3 clubs all in mid-low table positions in their respective leagues. Do they have ambition for all or any of their clubs or is their business simply talent management - hoping to groom the occasional player for a rich reward in the transfer market? Hornankey
  • Score: 4

8:57am Wed 12 Mar 14

gloryhornet4 says...

MainStandShambles wrote:
Having just come in from work and seen the goals on Sky Sports News i can report that Ranegie had to be red carded for the kick but the camera angle clearly shows that the Donny player ran round him and trod on his hand before being kicked, then gesticulating wildly for the referee to send Ranegie off and deflecting from his own misdemeanor.

I'm certainly not condoning Ranegie's behavior but there are definitely extenuating circumstances that you should note in this mornings reshowing of the Championship action although they didn't show the non-penalty incident unfortunately.
Studs in between the bones - I can understand the reaction. How an opponent can do that and shout at the ref for a red card for a response is sick.

Same as Dan Pudil's sending off at Cardiff. Player screamed at the lino claiming an elbow and then wrote a letter to the FA saying he thought it was an accident. Result another last minute defeat with 9 men on the field.
[quote][p][bold]MainStandShambles[/bold] wrote: Having just come in from work and seen the goals on Sky Sports News i can report that Ranegie had to be red carded for the kick but the camera angle clearly shows that the Donny player ran round him and trod on his hand before being kicked, then gesticulating wildly for the referee to send Ranegie off and deflecting from his own misdemeanor. I'm certainly not condoning Ranegie's behavior but there are definitely extenuating circumstances that you should note in this mornings reshowing of the Championship action although they didn't show the non-penalty incident unfortunately.[/p][/quote]Studs in between the bones - I can understand the reaction. How an opponent can do that and shout at the ref for a red card for a response is sick. Same as Dan Pudil's sending off at Cardiff. Player screamed at the lino claiming an elbow and then wrote a letter to the FA saying he thought it was an accident. Result another last minute defeat with 9 men on the field. gloryhornet4
  • Score: 7

9:05am Wed 12 Mar 14

bristol hornet says...

This "getting tired" in the latter stages cost us the game really irks me!

How many teams reduced to ten men fight for their lives and salvage something from the game?

How about three subs who are "not tired" to help out in the closing minutes?

Just face the facts, we have not been good enough for a promo push all season, and our away form has proved our undoing.

Also we have failed to beat a top six team all season, so that again sums up where we really are!
This "getting tired" in the latter stages cost us the game really irks me! How many teams reduced to ten men fight for their lives and salvage something from the game? How about three subs who are "not tired" to help out in the closing minutes? Just face the facts, we have not been good enough for a promo push all season, and our away form has proved our undoing. Also we have failed to beat a top six team all season, so that again sums up where we really are! bristol hornet
  • Score: 7

9:07am Wed 12 Mar 14

Goldenboy1960 says...

WJames wrote:
The team lost to Doncaster - pathetic. Hanging on again against a rubbish team with or without ten men is not good enough - why are they now not trained to deal with playing with one less player. It happens - prepare for it. Late drama...it's not drama anymore because these gutless, spineless, uneducated little fools who run around in front of us make the same mistake time and time again. Referees don't win or lose you games, however bad they are. We could not beat another of the worst teams in the league and all those on the playing side should hang their heads in shame. Respect to all the other 300-400 fans who made the journey, the players, not the referee, should give us an apology.
Obviously you were not at the game and haven't a clue as to what went on. STOP JUST COMMENTING ON THE RESULT WHEN YOU DIDN'T SEE THE GAME.

In my humble opinion, that was the first real time this season where I saw the players pulling together in adversity. They played with a lot of spirit and determination.

Firstly though Ranegie deserved to be sent off no question. And the players whoever they are need to understand that they can't behave like that. No problem with that decision from the referee.

The first goal was poor defending again as we let Brown get across the front for an easy header. What I will say at this point is that the team were galvanised and went into overdrive. The work rate was brilliant with 10 men, and just how the referee didn't give the penalty on Deeney and a red card for the keeper is totally beyond me. He clearly is not good enough for this level. It was an absolute rugby tackle to stop Deeney scoring a certain goal. I coached Harry Forrester at Watford when he was younger and so it was good to meet up with him last night. He would have been playing but for a knee injury. I went into the players lounge with him at half time and not one Doncaster person thought it WASN'T a penalty. That decision lost Watford the game because I am convinced we would have won the game with a ten v ten.

I have to say the spirit and play they served up after that was one of best displays and determination they have shown this season.Fully deserving the goal and could have scored again. That is the hardest they have worked this season and really were determined before and after the penalty decision. It was such an injustice.

Yes they tired but I am not surprised with the work they put in. Then yes they put us under pressure and we had some fortunate escapes but we really deserved something last night. At the end Bondy should have done better with the shot, at least turning it round the post. That is why he is not first choice at the moment, but am sure he will learn from these decisions.

Tozser was again dominant, but I couldn't say anyone played badly. Merkel is showing some good signs and I think he will become a top player. he is still learning the game but I think he done enough to suggest he is settling down and building his confidence. FF turned the game when he came on and they couldn't handle him.

So yes disappointed to lose like we did but there were a lot of encouraging signs last night and I think it was the closest we have been to last season. The players need to believe and continue with the work rate they put in last night. Yes we made mistakes but the desire was there for all to see.

They need to keep that work rate and belief and most importantly the togetherness they had. Clearly the terrible decision by the referee affected the result, because with a ten v ten I am convinced we would have won the game.

So you really speak from a point of disappointment at the result which I can understand, but some of your comments were way off the truth.
[quote][p][bold]WJames[/bold] wrote: The team lost to Doncaster - pathetic. Hanging on again against a rubbish team with or without ten men is not good enough - why are they now not trained to deal with playing with one less player. It happens - prepare for it. Late drama...it's not drama anymore because these gutless, spineless, uneducated little fools who run around in front of us make the same mistake time and time again. Referees don't win or lose you games, however bad they are. We could not beat another of the worst teams in the league and all those on the playing side should hang their heads in shame. Respect to all the other 300-400 fans who made the journey, the players, not the referee, should give us an apology.[/p][/quote]Obviously you were not at the game and haven't a clue as to what went on. STOP JUST COMMENTING ON THE RESULT WHEN YOU DIDN'T SEE THE GAME. In my humble opinion, that was the first real time this season where I saw the players pulling together in adversity. They played with a lot of spirit and determination. Firstly though Ranegie deserved to be sent off no question. And the players whoever they are need to understand that they can't behave like that. No problem with that decision from the referee. The first goal was poor defending again as we let Brown get across the front for an easy header. What I will say at this point is that the team were galvanised and went into overdrive. The work rate was brilliant with 10 men, and just how the referee didn't give the penalty on Deeney and a red card for the keeper is totally beyond me. He clearly is not good enough for this level. It was an absolute rugby tackle to stop Deeney scoring a certain goal. I coached Harry Forrester at Watford when he was younger and so it was good to meet up with him last night. He would have been playing but for a knee injury. I went into the players lounge with him at half time and not one Doncaster person thought it WASN'T a penalty. That decision lost Watford the game because I am convinced we would have won the game with a ten v ten. I have to say the spirit and play they served up after that was one of best displays and determination they have shown this season.Fully deserving the goal and could have scored again. That is the hardest they have worked this season and really were determined before and after the penalty decision. It was such an injustice. Yes they tired but I am not surprised with the work they put in. Then yes they put us under pressure and we had some fortunate escapes but we really deserved something last night. At the end Bondy should have done better with the shot, at least turning it round the post. That is why he is not first choice at the moment, but am sure he will learn from these decisions. Tozser was again dominant, but I couldn't say anyone played badly. Merkel is showing some good signs and I think he will become a top player. he is still learning the game but I think he done enough to suggest he is settling down and building his confidence. FF turned the game when he came on and they couldn't handle him. So yes disappointed to lose like we did but there were a lot of encouraging signs last night and I think it was the closest we have been to last season. The players need to believe and continue with the work rate they put in last night. Yes we made mistakes but the desire was there for all to see. They need to keep that work rate and belief and most importantly the togetherness they had. Clearly the terrible decision by the referee affected the result, because with a ten v ten I am convinced we would have won the game. So you really speak from a point of disappointment at the result which I can understand, but some of your comments were way off the truth. Goldenboy1960
  • Score: 30

9:08am Wed 12 Mar 14

Goldenboy1960 says...

EltonForever wrote:
We deserved little more than we got!

I feel sorry for the fans who made the journey only to be let down by a player who should know better.

When will we learn?
You've got it totally wrong
[quote][p][bold]EltonForever[/bold] wrote: We deserved little more than we got! I feel sorry for the fans who made the journey only to be let down by a player who should know better. When will we learn?[/p][/quote]You've got it totally wrong Goldenboy1960
  • Score: 1

9:10am Wed 12 Mar 14

Wembley84 says...

The BestTrip2011 wrote:
When will we ever learn? Ill-discipline has cost us yet again along with our inability to see out a game.
I can't even be bothered to be p*ssed off any more - what's the point?
Roll on next season with something different, though I've no idea what.
That was my feeling last night. We came into this season with such high expectations, and now we know we're on a regular Watford campaign. We shouldn't be thinking about next season in March, but I feel we'll go into it expecting another typical season - and I hope to be disappointed as we show just what this group of players are capable of.
This indiscipline though......is this just the fact that you can't touch players in the Italian leagues ? (Diakite the exception, he's just bonkers).
[quote][p][bold]The BestTrip2011[/bold] wrote: When will we ever learn? Ill-discipline has cost us yet again along with our inability to see out a game. I can't even be bothered to be p*ssed off any more - what's the point? Roll on next season with something different, though I've no idea what.[/p][/quote]That was my feeling last night. We came into this season with such high expectations, and now we know we're on a regular Watford campaign. We shouldn't be thinking about next season in March, but I feel we'll go into it expecting another typical season - and I hope to be disappointed as we show just what this group of players are capable of. This indiscipline though......is this just the fact that you can't touch players in the Italian leagues ? (Diakite the exception, he's just bonkers). Wembley84
  • Score: 0

9:13am Wed 12 Mar 14

Goldenboy1960 says...

MainStandShambles wrote:
Having just come in from work and seen the goals on Sky Sports News i can report that Ranegie had to be red carded for the kick but the camera angle clearly shows that the Donny player ran round him and trod on his hand before being kicked, then gesticulating wildly for the referee to send Ranegie off and deflecting from his own misdemeanor.

I'm certainly not condoning Ranegie's behavior but there are definitely extenuating circumstances that you should note in this mornings reshowing of the Championship action although they didn't show the non-penalty incident unfortunately.
Totally agree
[quote][p][bold]MainStandShambles[/bold] wrote: Having just come in from work and seen the goals on Sky Sports News i can report that Ranegie had to be red carded for the kick but the camera angle clearly shows that the Donny player ran round him and trod on his hand before being kicked, then gesticulating wildly for the referee to send Ranegie off and deflecting from his own misdemeanor. I'm certainly not condoning Ranegie's behavior but there are definitely extenuating circumstances that you should note in this mornings reshowing of the Championship action although they didn't show the non-penalty incident unfortunately.[/p][/quote]Totally agree Goldenboy1960
  • Score: 2

9:17am Wed 12 Mar 14

gloryhornet4 says...

bigthunder wrote:
Up until xmas nobody sent off , nani brings in Ranegie , merkel and Diakite , all now been sent off for violent conduct , all received 3 games ban , total of 9 games lost of these players , irrelevant whether they are rated by some or not this is pathetic and shows just how little work goes into studying the charachter and if these players are championship material , we all new diakite was an accident waiting to happen enough QPR fans told us
recruitment again under the spotlight and the role of Mr Nani , be nice to hear something out of the club on this area quite simple with odd exemption a shamble and he is paid circ £250 k for doing this !
Remember we were going to sell Marlon King to Fulham and Al Fayed asked about his past and then said no.

Wigan signed him and Wheeler decided to terminate his contract rather than pay his salary in the clink.

Geordie Utd decided that it was better to pay off Barton's last year than have him in the squad.

No matter how well they may play, it cannot make up for the financial costs and leaving their team mates to play on for an hour as 10 men.
[quote][p][bold]bigthunder[/bold] wrote: Up until xmas nobody sent off , nani brings in Ranegie , merkel and Diakite , all now been sent off for violent conduct , all received 3 games ban , total of 9 games lost of these players , irrelevant whether they are rated by some or not this is pathetic and shows just how little work goes into studying the charachter and if these players are championship material , we all new diakite was an accident waiting to happen enough QPR fans told us recruitment again under the spotlight and the role of Mr Nani , be nice to hear something out of the club on this area quite simple with odd exemption a shamble and he is paid circ £250 k for doing this ![/p][/quote]Remember we were going to sell Marlon King to Fulham and Al Fayed asked about his past and then said no. Wigan signed him and Wheeler decided to terminate his contract rather than pay his salary in the clink. Geordie Utd decided that it was better to pay off Barton's last year than have him in the squad. No matter how well they may play, it cannot make up for the financial costs and leaving their team mates to play on for an hour as 10 men. gloryhornet4
  • Score: 0

9:18am Wed 12 Mar 14

neilhorn says...

Overall, as annoying as it is to get cheated by inept refereeing, its best that it happens in this type of game. We have nothing to play for anyway - even if we won 8-1 last night we wouldn't make the play-offs lets be honest. I think the team are starting to display some grit, which they didn't have in the first half of the season, and some of these players, Toszer, Merkel etc look a lot better than the ones we started with. If we can keep the good ones and keep Beppe, I think we can do well next season. Chopping and changing is never the way, look at Leicester....
Overall, as annoying as it is to get cheated by inept refereeing, its best that it happens in this type of game. We have nothing to play for anyway - even if we won 8-1 last night we wouldn't make the play-offs lets be honest. I think the team are starting to display some grit, which they didn't have in the first half of the season, and some of these players, Toszer, Merkel etc look a lot better than the ones we started with. If we can keep the good ones and keep Beppe, I think we can do well next season. Chopping and changing is never the way, look at Leicester.... neilhorn
  • Score: 8

9:25am Wed 12 Mar 14

84AGAIN says...

What words can you make out of Ranegie? Anger, Dire, Ire. I KNOW we realistically only had a mathematical chance of making play-offs but if one moment defined a season and ended hopes and dreams then his kick out and sending off last night was it. Yes, the ref ruined the game but the sound of Watford fans muttering expletives (including me) when he got sent off could have been heard all over Hertfordshire, hero to zero has never been more appropriate. Massive respect to the remaining 10 players who gave everything for 70 minutes to turn it around and to the travelling fans who witnessed the carnage first hand. Players deserve a special welcome back at the Vic on Saturday.
What words can you make out of Ranegie? Anger, Dire, Ire. I KNOW we realistically only had a mathematical chance of making play-offs but if one moment defined a season and ended hopes and dreams then his kick out and sending off last night was it. Yes, the ref ruined the game but the sound of Watford fans muttering expletives (including me) when he got sent off could have been heard all over Hertfordshire, hero to zero has never been more appropriate. Massive respect to the remaining 10 players who gave everything for 70 minutes to turn it around and to the travelling fans who witnessed the carnage first hand. Players deserve a special welcome back at the Vic on Saturday. 84AGAIN
  • Score: 7

9:33am Wed 12 Mar 14

demerit says...

Before the game we needed 9 wins and a draw, the other 3 being losses. One of our credits has now gone so it's 9 wins, 1 draw and 2 losses. We're still on track!
Before the game we needed 9 wins and a draw, the other 3 being losses. One of our credits has now gone so it's 9 wins, 1 draw and 2 losses. We're still on track! demerit
  • Score: 2

9:40am Wed 12 Mar 14

JohnnyHornet says...

errollg wrote:
It was hard to see the Ranegie incident from the away end but the whole Doncaster stand rose immediately, so I presume there was something. If so, it was really, really stupid, especially so early in the game.

The ref gave most of the 50-50s against us. Doncaster could have easily had another man sent off in the last few minutes for dangerous/ very reckless tackle from behind.

The Deeney decision appeared obvious even from the other end. It was the sort of decision that will get noticed.

Although Watford lost in the last minute we were all cheering the team at the end, really encouraged - it was if we had won, not Doncaster. The Doncaster fans didn't even celebrate at the final whistle. Their support was really poor all night. Well done the travelling Yellow Army, brilliant!
I have to say on the clip I have seen, and bearing in mind how dire this ref was, Deeney was lucky to stay on the pitch as well as it looks like he slid in on the keeper. But recently after 45 years of following my beloved horns, home and away, listening on the radio when I can't attend I switched off when Renegie's petulance got the better of him, they don't seem to be learning, they seem to not be as fit as in previous years, and with so much rotation they don't seem cohesive, ah well roll on next season for another session of rebuilding.
[quote][p][bold]errollg[/bold] wrote: It was hard to see the Ranegie incident from the away end but the whole Doncaster stand rose immediately, so I presume there was something. If so, it was really, really stupid, especially so early in the game. The ref gave most of the 50-50s against us. Doncaster could have easily had another man sent off in the last few minutes for dangerous/ very reckless tackle from behind. The Deeney decision appeared obvious even from the other end. It was the sort of decision that will get noticed. Although Watford lost in the last minute we were all cheering the team at the end, really encouraged - it was if we had won, not Doncaster. The Doncaster fans didn't even celebrate at the final whistle. Their support was really poor all night. Well done the travelling Yellow Army, brilliant![/p][/quote]I have to say on the clip I have seen, and bearing in mind how dire this ref was, Deeney was lucky to stay on the pitch as well as it looks like he slid in on the keeper. But recently after 45 years of following my beloved horns, home and away, listening on the radio when I can't attend I switched off when Renegie's petulance got the better of him, they don't seem to be learning, they seem to not be as fit as in previous years, and with so much rotation they don't seem cohesive, ah well roll on next season for another session of rebuilding. JohnnyHornet
  • Score: -1

9:42am Wed 12 Mar 14

Cuetip says...

errollg wrote:
It was hard to see the Ranegie incident from the away end but the whole Doncaster stand rose immediately, so I presume there was something. If so, it was really, really stupid, especially so early in the game.

The ref gave most of the 50-50s against us. Doncaster could have easily had another man sent off in the last few minutes for dangerous/ very reckless tackle from behind.

The Deeney decision appeared obvious even from the other end. It was the sort of decision that will get noticed.

Although Watford lost in the last minute we were all cheering the team at the end, really encouraged - it was if we had won, not Doncaster. The Doncaster fans didn't even celebrate at the final whistle. Their support was really poor all night. Well done the travelling Yellow Army, brilliant!
Thanks for the report. Sounds like the boys stood up and never lost faith.

The ref must have lost his head thinking he was playing for .
[quote][p][bold]errollg[/bold] wrote: It was hard to see the Ranegie incident from the away end but the whole Doncaster stand rose immediately, so I presume there was something. If so, it was really, really stupid, especially so early in the game. The ref gave most of the 50-50s against us. Doncaster could have easily had another man sent off in the last few minutes for dangerous/ very reckless tackle from behind. The Deeney decision appeared obvious even from the other end. It was the sort of decision that will get noticed. Although Watford lost in the last minute we were all cheering the team at the end, really encouraged - it was if we had won, not Doncaster. The Doncaster fans didn't even celebrate at the final whistle. Their support was really poor all night. Well done the travelling Yellow Army, brilliant![/p][/quote]Thanks for the report. Sounds like the boys stood up and never lost faith. The ref must have lost his head thinking he was playing for . Cuetip
  • Score: -1

10:01am Wed 12 Mar 14

Kismet110 says...

I was going to post a long and rational ramble but you know what? I can't be bothered.

This ******* season was better summed up in last night's game than any waffle I come out with; indisciplined player(s), awful referee, late goal, shocking away record.

CANNOT wait for this miserable season to end and hopefully we start again in August better equipped, more balanced and with a new stand to boot.
I was going to post a long and rational ramble but you know what? I can't be bothered. This ******* season was better summed up in last night's game than any waffle I come out with; indisciplined player(s), awful referee, late goal, shocking away record. CANNOT wait for this miserable season to end and hopefully we start again in August better equipped, more balanced and with a new stand to boot. Kismet110
  • Score: 8

10:02am Wed 12 Mar 14

Hornet Cornet says...

rogeruk wrote:
Hornet Cornet wrote:
Apart from the travelling fans, I feel sorry for Beppe who has been badly failed by Renegade, or whatever his name is. I am ashamed to have someone sent off and not respecting what it means to play for watford. I am ashamed of the government charging inheritance tax. I am appalled by the weakness of the UK benefits system. Above everything else, I am saddened by the voting in Dancing on Ice.

HC
What about the very high tax on alcohol? Given you are one of the govt's best customers must hit you badly?
Nice to have you back Rogette
[quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: Apart from the travelling fans, I feel sorry for Beppe who has been badly failed by Renegade, or whatever his name is. I am ashamed to have someone sent off and not respecting what it means to play for watford. I am ashamed of the government charging inheritance tax. I am appalled by the weakness of the UK benefits system. Above everything else, I am saddened by the voting in Dancing on Ice. HC[/p][/quote]What about the very high tax on alcohol? Given you are one of the govt's best customers must hit you badly?[/p][/quote]Nice to have you back Rogette Hornet Cornet
  • Score: 0

10:30am Wed 12 Mar 14

CaptainPC says...

This Ref would never have been allowed under UKIP.
Not sure if Cassetti, Angella; Anya, Battocchio ,Faraoni, Tozser, Merkel Forestieri , Pudil or Ranegie would be either.
Just saying like......
This Ref would never have been allowed under UKIP. Not sure if Cassetti, Angella; Anya, Battocchio ,Faraoni, Tozser, Merkel Forestieri , Pudil or Ranegie would be either. Just saying like...... CaptainPC
  • Score: -6

10:56am Wed 12 Mar 14

longcliffe says...

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Deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn nnnnnyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy yyyyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! longcliffe
  • Score: -7

11:16am Wed 12 Mar 14

abbotshornet says...

rogeruk wrote:
Ranegie should have 3 weeks’ salary taken from him, if he doesn't like it then leave the club. The same type of incident v Leeds last season cost Watford nearly £100 million and who knows Raneige has done the same this season. It cannot go on! The fans are there to support this club, the quality of the players is good enough. What’s lacking is the operational management of the club and ultimately the Pozzos who have made mistakes, will be particularly gut-wrenching if Shaun Dyche deservedly gets Burnley into the Premier League this season with a small squad which looks highly likely.
The same type of "bad refereeing" cost us automatic promotion against Leeds, we knew Dyche was good but the new owners wanted their own man in place, in hindsight they will no doubt admit they should have given him a chance.
Raneige was stupid but hopefully he will have learnt a lesson from this and it does not make him a bad player.
Sannino should use the rest of the season to show us what he and these players can do. COYH's
[quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: Ranegie should have 3 weeks’ salary taken from him, if he doesn't like it then leave the club. The same type of incident v Leeds last season cost Watford nearly £100 million and who knows Raneige has done the same this season. It cannot go on! The fans are there to support this club, the quality of the players is good enough. What’s lacking is the operational management of the club and ultimately the Pozzos who have made mistakes, will be particularly gut-wrenching if Shaun Dyche deservedly gets Burnley into the Premier League this season with a small squad which looks highly likely.[/p][/quote]The same type of "bad refereeing" cost us automatic promotion against Leeds, we knew Dyche was good but the new owners wanted their own man in place, in hindsight they will no doubt admit they should have given him a chance. Raneige was stupid but hopefully he will have learnt a lesson from this and it does not make him a bad player. Sannino should use the rest of the season to show us what he and these players can do. COYH's abbotshornet
  • Score: 3

11:21am Wed 12 Mar 14

Harry's Bar says...

Hornankey wrote:
JonBoy wrote:
It is time to see what the Pozzos are made of. They have clearly underestimated how difficult it is to get promoted from the Championship. Building the east stand is a signal that they're here for the long term but they will have to change their model to get us into the premier$hip. Loans and internal transfers are not working currently, perhaps we need the traditional manager rather than head coach and recruiter
I quite agree. I have wondered from the start at the Pozzos' ambition. They have 3 clubs all in mid-low table positions in their respective leagues. Do they have ambition for all or any of their clubs or is their business simply talent management - hoping to groom the occasional player for a rich reward in the transfer market?
The Pozzo's are ambitious, but they are also risk averse. Sometimes you have to speculate to accumulate, they're not as good at that side of business.
[quote][p][bold]Hornankey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JonBoy[/bold] wrote: It is time to see what the Pozzos are made of. They have clearly underestimated how difficult it is to get promoted from the Championship. Building the east stand is a signal that they're here for the long term but they will have to change their model to get us into the premier$hip. Loans and internal transfers are not working currently, perhaps we need the traditional manager rather than head coach and recruiter[/p][/quote]I quite agree. I have wondered from the start at the Pozzos' ambition. They have 3 clubs all in mid-low table positions in their respective leagues. Do they have ambition for all or any of their clubs or is their business simply talent management - hoping to groom the occasional player for a rich reward in the transfer market?[/p][/quote]The Pozzo's are ambitious, but they are also risk averse. Sometimes you have to speculate to accumulate, they're not as good at that side of business. Harry's Bar
  • Score: 2

11:28am Wed 12 Mar 14

WirralHornet64 says...

gloryhornet4 wrote:
bigthunder wrote: Up until xmas nobody sent off , nani brings in Ranegie , merkel and Diakite , all now been sent off for violent conduct , all received 3 games ban , total of 9 games lost of these players , irrelevant whether they are rated by some or not this is pathetic and shows just how little work goes into studying the charachter and if these players are championship material , we all new diakite was an accident waiting to happen enough QPR fans told us recruitment again under the spotlight and the role of Mr Nani , be nice to hear something out of the club on this area quite simple with odd exemption a shamble and he is paid circ £250 k for doing this !
Remember we were going to sell Marlon King to Fulham and Al Fayed asked about his past and then said no. Wigan signed him and Wheeler decided to terminate his contract rather than pay his salary in the clink. Geordie Utd decided that it was better to pay off Barton's last year than have him in the squad. No matter how well they may play, it cannot make up for the financial costs and leaving their team mates to play on for an hour as 10 men.
Whi is Wheeler. Do you mean Dave Whelan?
[quote][p][bold]gloryhornet4[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigthunder[/bold] wrote: Up until xmas nobody sent off , nani brings in Ranegie , merkel and Diakite , all now been sent off for violent conduct , all received 3 games ban , total of 9 games lost of these players , irrelevant whether they are rated by some or not this is pathetic and shows just how little work goes into studying the charachter and if these players are championship material , we all new diakite was an accident waiting to happen enough QPR fans told us recruitment again under the spotlight and the role of Mr Nani , be nice to hear something out of the club on this area quite simple with odd exemption a shamble and he is paid circ £250 k for doing this ![/p][/quote]Remember we were going to sell Marlon King to Fulham and Al Fayed asked about his past and then said no. Wigan signed him and Wheeler decided to terminate his contract rather than pay his salary in the clink. Geordie Utd decided that it was better to pay off Barton's last year than have him in the squad. No matter how well they may play, it cannot make up for the financial costs and leaving their team mates to play on for an hour as 10 men.[/p][/quote]Whi is Wheeler. Do you mean Dave Whelan? WirralHornet64
  • Score: 0

11:29am Wed 12 Mar 14

WirralHornet64 says...

demerit wrote:
Before the game we needed 9 wins and a draw, the other 3 being losses. One of our credits has now gone so it's 9 wins, 1 draw and 2 losses. We're still on track!
We will not be in the play offs !
[quote][p][bold]demerit[/bold] wrote: Before the game we needed 9 wins and a draw, the other 3 being losses. One of our credits has now gone so it's 9 wins, 1 draw and 2 losses. We're still on track![/p][/quote]We will not be in the play offs ! WirralHornet64
  • Score: 2

12:22pm Wed 12 Mar 14

PeteBogHorrorHornet says...

Why is supporting Watford such **** hard work...?
Why is supporting Watford such **** hard work...? PeteBogHorrorHornet
  • Score: 5

12:46pm Wed 12 Mar 14

1234566789 says...

gloryhornet4 wrote:
bigthunder wrote:
Up until xmas nobody sent off , nani brings in Ranegie , merkel and Diakite , all now been sent off for violent conduct , all received 3 games ban , total of 9 games lost of these players , irrelevant whether they are rated by some or not this is pathetic and shows just how little work goes into studying the charachter and if these players are championship material , we all new diakite was an accident waiting to happen enough QPR fans told us
recruitment again under the spotlight and the role of Mr Nani , be nice to hear something out of the club on this area quite simple with odd exemption a shamble and he is paid circ £250 k for doing this !
Remember we were going to sell Marlon King to Fulham and Al Fayed asked about his past and then said no.

Wigan signed him and Wheeler decided to terminate his contract rather than pay his salary in the clink.

Geordie Utd decided that it was better to pay off Barton's last year than have him in the squad.

No matter how well they may play, it cannot make up for the financial costs and leaving their team mates to play on for an hour as 10 men.
Are you really comparing a red card to beating women up and putting a cigar out in someones eye?

Of course it was stupid from Ranegie and it probably has cost us the last light of hope for a play-off spot. The next 12 games for me should be about playing 11 men who will be at the club next season (and perhaps Toszer to keep him happy and make him want to sign).

However, Ranegie last night was no more stupid that Deeney against Leeds and definitely meant a lot less - seems he is getting unfair criticism comparatively
[quote][p][bold]gloryhornet4[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigthunder[/bold] wrote: Up until xmas nobody sent off , nani brings in Ranegie , merkel and Diakite , all now been sent off for violent conduct , all received 3 games ban , total of 9 games lost of these players , irrelevant whether they are rated by some or not this is pathetic and shows just how little work goes into studying the charachter and if these players are championship material , we all new diakite was an accident waiting to happen enough QPR fans told us recruitment again under the spotlight and the role of Mr Nani , be nice to hear something out of the club on this area quite simple with odd exemption a shamble and he is paid circ £250 k for doing this ![/p][/quote]Remember we were going to sell Marlon King to Fulham and Al Fayed asked about his past and then said no. Wigan signed him and Wheeler decided to terminate his contract rather than pay his salary in the clink. Geordie Utd decided that it was better to pay off Barton's last year than have him in the squad. No matter how well they may play, it cannot make up for the financial costs and leaving their team mates to play on for an hour as 10 men.[/p][/quote]Are you really comparing a red card to beating women up and putting a cigar out in someones eye? Of course it was stupid from Ranegie and it probably has cost us the last light of hope for a play-off spot. The next 12 games for me should be about playing 11 men who will be at the club next season (and perhaps Toszer to keep him happy and make him want to sign). However, Ranegie last night was no more stupid that Deeney against Leeds and definitely meant a lot less - seems he is getting unfair criticism comparatively 1234566789
  • Score: 6

12:58pm Wed 12 Mar 14

WirralHornet64 says...

PeteBogHorrorHornet wrote:
Why is supporting Watford such **** hard work...?
I started in 1982 when everything was great !!
[quote][p][bold]PeteBogHorrorHornet[/bold] wrote: Why is supporting Watford such **** hard work...?[/p][/quote]I started in 1982 when everything was great !! WirralHornet64
  • Score: 0

1:12pm Wed 12 Mar 14

thepriceisnickywright says...

I believe the club is handling Bondy is completely the wrong way. He is a young keeper that should be getting game time. I know Almunia is an experienced good goalkeeper, but the club is treating Bond like an experienced 35 year old being thrown into the odd game here and there when Almunia can't play. When he had a run of games towards the end of Zola's reign he was superb. It must be so difficult coming off the bench after 10 games and playing, then going back to the bench. People that question the odd mistake he makes need to take this into account.
I believe the club is handling Bondy is completely the wrong way. He is a young keeper that should be getting game time. I know Almunia is an experienced good goalkeeper, but the club is treating Bond like an experienced 35 year old being thrown into the odd game here and there when Almunia can't play. When he had a run of games towards the end of Zola's reign he was superb. It must be so difficult coming off the bench after 10 games and playing, then going back to the bench. People that question the odd mistake he makes need to take this into account. thepriceisnickywright
  • Score: 5

3:00pm Wed 12 Mar 14

bushey tales says...

I think possibly the most worrying aspect of the current situation is that LutonDown has stopped insisting everything the Pozzos touch will inevitably turn to gold. In his (I'm sure temporary) absence I'm inclined to ask, for the first time in a few months, whether we think the owners now realise they sacked undoubtedly the best man for the job and erstwhile Championship Manager of the Year. Saturday 5th April, Max Wall meets Ginger Mourinho. I hope he gets the reception he deserves. But I very much doubt he will.
I think possibly the most worrying aspect of the current situation is that LutonDown has stopped insisting everything the Pozzos touch will inevitably turn to gold. In his (I'm sure temporary) absence I'm inclined to ask, for the first time in a few months, whether we think the owners now realise they sacked undoubtedly the best man for the job and erstwhile Championship Manager of the Year. Saturday 5th April, Max Wall meets Ginger Mourinho. I hope he gets the reception he deserves. But I very much doubt he will. bushey tales
  • Score: 1

3:35pm Wed 12 Mar 14

CaptainPC says...

bushey tales wrote:
I think possibly the most worrying aspect of the current situation is that LutonDown has stopped insisting everything the Pozzos touch will inevitably turn to gold. In his (I'm sure temporary) absence I'm inclined to ask, for the first time in a few months, whether we think the owners now realise they sacked undoubtedly the best man for the job and erstwhile Championship Manager of the Year. Saturday 5th April, Max Wall meets Ginger Mourinho. I hope he gets the reception he deserves. But I very much doubt he will.
Of course they won't because they don't give a fark.
WFC RIP.....

I said this years ago but they should never of sacked Lewington....that's where we started to unravel into the Udibees.....
[quote][p][bold]bushey tales[/bold] wrote: I think possibly the most worrying aspect of the current situation is that LutonDown has stopped insisting everything the Pozzos touch will inevitably turn to gold. In his (I'm sure temporary) absence I'm inclined to ask, for the first time in a few months, whether we think the owners now realise they sacked undoubtedly the best man for the job and erstwhile Championship Manager of the Year. Saturday 5th April, Max Wall meets Ginger Mourinho. I hope he gets the reception he deserves. But I very much doubt he will.[/p][/quote]Of course they won't because they don't give a fark. WFC RIP..... I said this years ago but they should never of sacked Lewington....that's where we started to unravel into the Udibees..... CaptainPC
  • Score: -10

3:38pm Wed 12 Mar 14

WirralHornet64 says...

As an aside I am going to Wigan.
COYH
As an aside I am going to Wigan. COYH WirralHornet64
  • Score: 1

4:09pm Wed 12 Mar 14

KeithMercer says...

tiger bay wrote:
exeterhornet wrote:
VOR, Keith Mercer, it's all gone quiet.
I rest my case
Don't worry about Mercer. .he's a little pipsqueak named Jeffery who comes on here randomly to bad mouth people who dare say anything critical. I dared to say a while back that we are a mid table side and suffered death by a billion thumbs down. .I wear my thumbs down as a badge of honour. .you should too. Don't let Jeffery and his ilk get to you, they really aren't worth it. .
Obviously I upset you badly as your still crying about it months later.If you would like the little pipsqueak to apologize in person, just come down West Herts on a match day and I will be very happy to do so.
[quote][p][bold]tiger bay[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]exeterhornet[/bold] wrote: VOR, Keith Mercer, it's all gone quiet. I rest my case[/p][/quote]Don't worry about Mercer. .he's a little pipsqueak named Jeffery who comes on here randomly to bad mouth people who dare say anything critical. I dared to say a while back that we are a mid table side and suffered death by a billion thumbs down. .I wear my thumbs down as a badge of honour. .you should too. Don't let Jeffery and his ilk get to you, they really aren't worth it. .[/p][/quote]Obviously I upset you badly as your still crying about it months later.If you would like the little pipsqueak to apologize in person, just come down West Herts on a match day and I will be very happy to do so. KeithMercer
  • Score: 0

4:14pm Wed 12 Mar 14

Oracledave says...

Harry's Bar wrote:
Hornankey wrote:
JonBoy wrote:
It is time to see what the Pozzos are made of. They have clearly underestimated how difficult it is to get promoted from the Championship. Building the east stand is a signal that they're here for the long term but they will have to change their model to get us into the premier$hip. Loans and internal transfers are not working currently, perhaps we need the traditional manager rather than head coach and recruiter
I quite agree. I have wondered from the start at the Pozzos' ambition. They have 3 clubs all in mid-low table positions in their respective leagues. Do they have ambition for all or any of their clubs or is their business simply talent management - hoping to groom the occasional player for a rich reward in the transfer market?
The Pozzo's are ambitious, but they are also risk averse. Sometimes you have to speculate to accumulate, they're not as good at that side of business.
Criticism of the Pozzos is a tough call. They have turned Udinese into a top four Serie A club in recent seasons and got Granada into La Liga after years in the lower reaches. Also of course they almost got the 'Orns into the Prem with a ragbag of loans at the first attempt.

So, this season has not been great but we would need at least 4 seasons in my judgement to say the Pozzo recruitment model is not working. Remember also it is not only about transfers from sister clubs it is also about scouting networks and knowledge of the relevant leagues (eg. Daniel Tozser).
[quote][p][bold]Harry's Bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hornankey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JonBoy[/bold] wrote: It is time to see what the Pozzos are made of. They have clearly underestimated how difficult it is to get promoted from the Championship. Building the east stand is a signal that they're here for the long term but they will have to change their model to get us into the premier$hip. Loans and internal transfers are not working currently, perhaps we need the traditional manager rather than head coach and recruiter[/p][/quote]I quite agree. I have wondered from the start at the Pozzos' ambition. They have 3 clubs all in mid-low table positions in their respective leagues. Do they have ambition for all or any of their clubs or is their business simply talent management - hoping to groom the occasional player for a rich reward in the transfer market?[/p][/quote]The Pozzo's are ambitious, but they are also risk averse. Sometimes you have to speculate to accumulate, they're not as good at that side of business.[/p][/quote]Criticism of the Pozzos is a tough call. They have turned Udinese into a top four Serie A club in recent seasons and got Granada into La Liga after years in the lower reaches. Also of course they almost got the 'Orns into the Prem with a ragbag of loans at the first attempt. So, this season has not been great but we would need at least 4 seasons in my judgement to say the Pozzo recruitment model is not working. Remember also it is not only about transfers from sister clubs it is also about scouting networks and knowledge of the relevant leagues (eg. Daniel Tozser). Oracledave
  • Score: 2

4:42pm Wed 12 Mar 14

longcliffe says...

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  • Score: -2

10:46am Thu 13 Mar 14

gloryhornet4 says...

WirralHornet64 wrote:
gloryhornet4 wrote:
bigthunder wrote: Up until xmas nobody sent off , nani brings in Ranegie , merkel and Diakite , all now been sent off for violent conduct , all received 3 games ban , total of 9 games lost of these players , irrelevant whether they are rated by some or not this is pathetic and shows just how little work goes into studying the charachter and if these players are championship material , we all new diakite was an accident waiting to happen enough QPR fans told us recruitment again under the spotlight and the role of Mr Nani , be nice to hear something out of the club on this area quite simple with odd exemption a shamble and he is paid circ £250 k for doing this !
Remember we were going to sell Marlon King to Fulham and Al Fayed asked about his past and then said no. Wigan signed him and Wheeler decided to terminate his contract rather than pay his salary in the clink. Geordie Utd decided that it was better to pay off Barton's last year than have him in the squad. No matter how well they may play, it cannot make up for the financial costs and leaving their team mates to play on for an hour as 10 men.
Whi is Wheeler. Do you mean Dave Whelan?
Yes, sorry typing quicker than feed from brain. Sorry.
[quote][p][bold]WirralHornet64[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gloryhornet4[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigthunder[/bold] wrote: Up until xmas nobody sent off , nani brings in Ranegie , merkel and Diakite , all now been sent off for violent conduct , all received 3 games ban , total of 9 games lost of these players , irrelevant whether they are rated by some or not this is pathetic and shows just how little work goes into studying the charachter and if these players are championship material , we all new diakite was an accident waiting to happen enough QPR fans told us recruitment again under the spotlight and the role of Mr Nani , be nice to hear something out of the club on this area quite simple with odd exemption a shamble and he is paid circ £250 k for doing this ![/p][/quote]Remember we were going to sell Marlon King to Fulham and Al Fayed asked about his past and then said no. Wigan signed him and Wheeler decided to terminate his contract rather than pay his salary in the clink. Geordie Utd decided that it was better to pay off Barton's last year than have him in the squad. No matter how well they may play, it cannot make up for the financial costs and leaving their team mates to play on for an hour as 10 men.[/p][/quote]Whi is Wheeler. Do you mean Dave Whelan?[/p][/quote]Yes, sorry typing quicker than feed from brain. Sorry. gloryhornet4
  • Score: 2

10:47pm Thu 13 Mar 14

WJames says...

Goldenboy1960 wrote:
WJames wrote:
The team lost to Doncaster - pathetic. Hanging on again against a rubbish team with or without ten men is not good enough - why are they now not trained to deal with playing with one less player. It happens - prepare for it. Late drama...it's not drama anymore because these gutless, spineless, uneducated little fools who run around in front of us make the same mistake time and time again. Referees don't win or lose you games, however bad they are. We could not beat another of the worst teams in the league and all those on the playing side should hang their heads in shame. Respect to all the other 300-400 fans who made the journey, the players, not the referee, should give us an apology.
Obviously you were not at the game and haven't a clue as to what went on. STOP JUST COMMENTING ON THE RESULT WHEN YOU DIDN'T SEE THE GAME.

In my humble opinion, that was the first real time this season where I saw the players pulling together in adversity. They played with a lot of spirit and determination.

Firstly though Ranegie deserved to be sent off no question. And the players whoever they are need to understand that they can't behave like that. No problem with that decision from the referee.

The first goal was poor defending again as we let Brown get across the front for an easy header. What I will say at this point is that the team were galvanised and went into overdrive. The work rate was brilliant with 10 men, and just how the referee didn't give the penalty on Deeney and a red card for the keeper is totally beyond me. He clearly is not good enough for this level. It was an absolute rugby tackle to stop Deeney scoring a certain goal. I coached Harry Forrester at Watford when he was younger and so it was good to meet up with him last night. He would have been playing but for a knee injury. I went into the players lounge with him at half time and not one Doncaster person thought it WASN'T a penalty. That decision lost Watford the game because I am convinced we would have won the game with a ten v ten.

I have to say the spirit and play they served up after that was one of best displays and determination they have shown this season.Fully deserving the goal and could have scored again. That is the hardest they have worked this season and really were determined before and after the penalty decision. It was such an injustice.

Yes they tired but I am not surprised with the work they put in. Then yes they put us under pressure and we had some fortunate escapes but we really deserved something last night. At the end Bondy should have done better with the shot, at least turning it round the post. That is why he is not first choice at the moment, but am sure he will learn from these decisions.

Tozser was again dominant, but I couldn't say anyone played badly. Merkel is showing some good signs and I think he will become a top player. he is still learning the game but I think he done enough to suggest he is settling down and building his confidence. FF turned the game when he came on and they couldn't handle him.

So yes disappointed to lose like we did but there were a lot of encouraging signs last night and I think it was the closest we have been to last season. The players need to believe and continue with the work rate they put in last night. Yes we made mistakes but the desire was there for all to see.

They need to keep that work rate and belief and most importantly the togetherness they had. Clearly the terrible decision by the referee affected the result, because with a ten v ten I am convinced we would have won the game.

So you really speak from a point of disappointment at the result which I can understand, but some of your comments were way off the truth.
You are part of the problem old boy. The habit of last minute goals and defeat you accept embarrasses the club and clearly, as a 'coach' (you sound very important), you teach players the importance of working hard without results. It doesn't mean anything. Good to see your guidance led Forrester to a prospering career. Take off your rose-tinted glasses and accept we were not good enough on Tuesday (differing opinions from fans at the game - football can be subjective after all). Hard work means nothing without results - learn it.
[quote][p][bold]Goldenboy1960[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WJames[/bold] wrote: The team lost to Doncaster - pathetic. Hanging on again against a rubbish team with or without ten men is not good enough - why are they now not trained to deal with playing with one less player. It happens - prepare for it. Late drama...it's not drama anymore because these gutless, spineless, uneducated little fools who run around in front of us make the same mistake time and time again. Referees don't win or lose you games, however bad they are. We could not beat another of the worst teams in the league and all those on the playing side should hang their heads in shame. Respect to all the other 300-400 fans who made the journey, the players, not the referee, should give us an apology.[/p][/quote]Obviously you were not at the game and haven't a clue as to what went on. STOP JUST COMMENTING ON THE RESULT WHEN YOU DIDN'T SEE THE GAME. In my humble opinion, that was the first real time this season where I saw the players pulling together in adversity. They played with a lot of spirit and determination. Firstly though Ranegie deserved to be sent off no question. And the players whoever they are need to understand that they can't behave like that. No problem with that decision from the referee. The first goal was poor defending again as we let Brown get across the front for an easy header. What I will say at this point is that the team were galvanised and went into overdrive. The work rate was brilliant with 10 men, and just how the referee didn't give the penalty on Deeney and a red card for the keeper is totally beyond me. He clearly is not good enough for this level. It was an absolute rugby tackle to stop Deeney scoring a certain goal. I coached Harry Forrester at Watford when he was younger and so it was good to meet up with him last night. He would have been playing but for a knee injury. I went into the players lounge with him at half time and not one Doncaster person thought it WASN'T a penalty. That decision lost Watford the game because I am convinced we would have won the game with a ten v ten. I have to say the spirit and play they served up after that was one of best displays and determination they have shown this season.Fully deserving the goal and could have scored again. That is the hardest they have worked this season and really were determined before and after the penalty decision. It was such an injustice. Yes they tired but I am not surprised with the work they put in. Then yes they put us under pressure and we had some fortunate escapes but we really deserved something last night. At the end Bondy should have done better with the shot, at least turning it round the post. That is why he is not first choice at the moment, but am sure he will learn from these decisions. Tozser was again dominant, but I couldn't say anyone played badly. Merkel is showing some good signs and I think he will become a top player. he is still learning the game but I think he done enough to suggest he is settling down and building his confidence. FF turned the game when he came on and they couldn't handle him. So yes disappointed to lose like we did but there were a lot of encouraging signs last night and I think it was the closest we have been to last season. The players need to believe and continue with the work rate they put in last night. Yes we made mistakes but the desire was there for all to see. They need to keep that work rate and belief and most importantly the togetherness they had. Clearly the terrible decision by the referee affected the result, because with a ten v ten I am convinced we would have won the game. So you really speak from a point of disappointment at the result which I can understand, but some of your comments were way off the truth.[/p][/quote]You are part of the problem old boy. The habit of last minute goals and defeat you accept embarrasses the club and clearly, as a 'coach' (you sound very important), you teach players the importance of working hard without results. It doesn't mean anything. Good to see your guidance led Forrester to a prospering career. Take off your rose-tinted glasses and accept we were not good enough on Tuesday (differing opinions from fans at the game - football can be subjective after all). Hard work means nothing without results - learn it. WJames
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10:48pm Thu 13 Mar 14

WJames says...

Goldenboy1960 wrote:
WJames wrote:
The team lost to Doncaster - pathetic. Hanging on again against a rubbish team with or without ten men is not good enough - why are they now not trained to deal with playing with one less player. It happens - prepare for it. Late drama...it's not drama anymore because these gutless, spineless, uneducated little fools who run around in front of us make the same mistake time and time again. Referees don't win or lose you games, however bad they are. We could not beat another of the worst teams in the league and all those on the playing side should hang their heads in shame. Respect to all the other 300-400 fans who made the journey, the players, not the referee, should give us an apology.
Obviously you were not at the game and haven't a clue as to what went on. STOP JUST COMMENTING ON THE RESULT WHEN YOU DIDN'T SEE THE GAME.

In my humble opinion, that was the first real time this season where I saw the players pulling together in adversity. They played with a lot of spirit and determination.

Firstly though Ranegie deserved to be sent off no question. And the players whoever they are need to understand that they can't behave like that. No problem with that decision from the referee.

The first goal was poor defending again as we let Brown get across the front for an easy header. What I will say at this point is that the team were galvanised and went into overdrive. The work rate was brilliant with 10 men, and just how the referee didn't give the penalty on Deeney and a red card for the keeper is totally beyond me. He clearly is not good enough for this level. It was an absolute rugby tackle to stop Deeney scoring a certain goal. I coached Harry Forrester at Watford when he was younger and so it was good to meet up with him last night. He would have been playing but for a knee injury. I went into the players lounge with him at half time and not one Doncaster person thought it WASN'T a penalty. That decision lost Watford the game because I am convinced we would have won the game with a ten v ten.

I have to say the spirit and play they served up after that was one of best displays and determination they have shown this season.Fully deserving the goal and could have scored again. That is the hardest they have worked this season and really were determined before and after the penalty decision. It was such an injustice.

Yes they tired but I am not surprised with the work they put in. Then yes they put us under pressure and we had some fortunate escapes but we really deserved something last night. At the end Bondy should have done better with the shot, at least turning it round the post. That is why he is not first choice at the moment, but am sure he will learn from these decisions.

Tozser was again dominant, but I couldn't say anyone played badly. Merkel is showing some good signs and I think he will become a top player. he is still learning the game but I think he done enough to suggest he is settling down and building his confidence. FF turned the game when he came on and they couldn't handle him.

So yes disappointed to lose like we did but there were a lot of encouraging signs last night and I think it was the closest we have been to last season. The players need to believe and continue with the work rate they put in last night. Yes we made mistakes but the desire was there for all to see.

They need to keep that work rate and belief and most importantly the togetherness they had. Clearly the terrible decision by the referee affected the result, because with a ten v ten I am convinced we would have won the game.

So you really speak from a point of disappointment at the result which I can understand, but some of your comments were way off the truth.
You are part of the problem old boy. The habit of last minute goals and defeat you accept embarrasses the club and clearly, as a 'coach' (you sound very important), you teach players the importance of working hard without results. It doesn't mean anything. Good to see your guidance led Forrester to a prospering career. Take off your rose-tinted glasses and accept we were not good enough on Tuesday (differing opinions from fans at the game - football can be subjective after all). Hard work means nothing without results - learn it.
[quote][p][bold]Goldenboy1960[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WJames[/bold] wrote: The team lost to Doncaster - pathetic. Hanging on again against a rubbish team with or without ten men is not good enough - why are they now not trained to deal with playing with one less player. It happens - prepare for it. Late drama...it's not drama anymore because these gutless, spineless, uneducated little fools who run around in front of us make the same mistake time and time again. Referees don't win or lose you games, however bad they are. We could not beat another of the worst teams in the league and all those on the playing side should hang their heads in shame. Respect to all the other 300-400 fans who made the journey, the players, not the referee, should give us an apology.[/p][/quote]Obviously you were not at the game and haven't a clue as to what went on. STOP JUST COMMENTING ON THE RESULT WHEN YOU DIDN'T SEE THE GAME. In my humble opinion, that was the first real time this season where I saw the players pulling together in adversity. They played with a lot of spirit and determination. Firstly though Ranegie deserved to be sent off no question. And the players whoever they are need to understand that they can't behave like that. No problem with that decision from the referee. The first goal was poor defending again as we let Brown get across the front for an easy header. What I will say at this point is that the team were galvanised and went into overdrive. The work rate was brilliant with 10 men, and just how the referee didn't give the penalty on Deeney and a red card for the keeper is totally beyond me. He clearly is not good enough for this level. It was an absolute rugby tackle to stop Deeney scoring a certain goal. I coached Harry Forrester at Watford when he was younger and so it was good to meet up with him last night. He would have been playing but for a knee injury. I went into the players lounge with him at half time and not one Doncaster person thought it WASN'T a penalty. That decision lost Watford the game because I am convinced we would have won the game with a ten v ten. I have to say the spirit and play they served up after that was one of best displays and determination they have shown this season.Fully deserving the goal and could have scored again. That is the hardest they have worked this season and really were determined before and after the penalty decision. It was such an injustice. Yes they tired but I am not surprised with the work they put in. Then yes they put us under pressure and we had some fortunate escapes but we really deserved something last night. At the end Bondy should have done better with the shot, at least turning it round the post. That is why he is not first choice at the moment, but am sure he will learn from these decisions. Tozser was again dominant, but I couldn't say anyone played badly. Merkel is showing some good signs and I think he will become a top player. he is still learning the game but I think he done enough to suggest he is settling down and building his confidence. FF turned the game when he came on and they couldn't handle him. So yes disappointed to lose like we did but there were a lot of encouraging signs last night and I think it was the closest we have been to last season. The players need to believe and continue with the work rate they put in last night. Yes we made mistakes but the desire was there for all to see. They need to keep that work rate and belief and most importantly the togetherness they had. Clearly the terrible decision by the referee affected the result, because with a ten v ten I am convinced we would have won the game. So you really speak from a point of disappointment at the result which I can understand, but some of your comments were way off the truth.[/p][/quote]You are part of the problem old boy. The habit of last minute goals and defeat you accept embarrasses the club and clearly, as a 'coach' (you sound very important), you teach players the importance of working hard without results. It doesn't mean anything. Good to see your guidance led Forrester to a prospering career. Take off your rose-tinted glasses and accept we were not good enough on Tuesday (differing opinions from fans at the game - football can be subjective after all). Hard work means nothing without results - learn it. WJames
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