Beppe Sannino apologises to Watford's supporters before questioning players' commitment at Derby County

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Beppe Sannino apologised to the Watford supporters who made the trip to Derby County and questioned the commitment shown by his players during the 4-2 defeat.

The Hornets were fortunate to go into half-time level after a terrible showing but The Rams went on to secure a deserved 4-2 victory which could have been by a far greater margin.

Sannino claimed his team were “still in London” following Monday’s narrow defeat to Queens Park Rangers which he believes was the best performance of his reign. He suggested today’s 4-2 loss to Derby may have been the worst.

When asked if today’s opening 45 minutes was the worst during his time at Watford, Sannino responded: “Yes you anticipated me. But I would disagree with you in that it was not only the first half.

“I think Watford are still in London today, when on Monday I said it was the best performance of my regime.

“For today’s performance I have to say sorry to all the supporters who came here today.”

On the difference between the two showings this week, he said: “Sometimes football is like that; you have a good performance and then a performance like this which is really bad. It is football.

“What is very disappointing for me is that we didn’t show the right anger today to win this game - because we knew we had a small chance to achieve the play-offs.”

However, he did stress: “Yes we needed a good performance to try to reach the play-offs but not only because of that. I am looking for a good finish to assess which players can help us next season and to have good commitment towards the club and our supporters.”

Watford responded to the sending off of Marco Cassetti on 68 minutes, when the score was 2-1 to Derby, by scoring the equaliser two minutes later despite being down to ten men.

But Sannino said: “For me – and this is a key point – football players are professionals and I expect my players to have the best commitment ever, whether they have 11 men, ten men or nine. If you saw a reaction [after the sending off], then it is normal. But the game was another story.”

That prompted a question about whether he believed his team did lack commitment at the iPro Stadium this afternoon.

“I would like to speak about the match. This kind of thing should be resolved in the dressing room,” he replied.

Read a match report from today’s game here.

Derby manager Steve McClaren's views on the match can be read here.

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9:45pm Sat 26 Apr 14

VOReason says...

Nice to hear beppe say it as it was ...

You may have heard me waxing lyrical about reira for his previous two performances ... Today he was a disgrace to himself and the shirt ... I'd have subbed him well before half time if I'd have been beppe ...
Nice to hear beppe say it as it was ... You may have heard me waxing lyrical about reira for his previous two performances ... Today he was a disgrace to himself and the shirt ... I'd have subbed him well before half time if I'd have been beppe ... VOReason
  • Score: 6

9:54pm Sat 26 Apr 14

rogeruk says...

In my view this was the worst performance by a Watford team since Glen Roeder's 4-0 defeat to Crystal Palace in 1996 which led to his demise as a Watford manager.

The entire team with the exception of three players; Bond, Deeny and Ranegie should hold their heads in shame and donate a week's wages to charity.

The lack of commitment, level of passing, the missing motivation, the basic mistakes, the complete lack of interest was akin to a drunken group of tourists playing a football match on the beaches of Ibiza.

Neither do I buy into Sannino's 'that's football', He knows what I am referring to? He is responsible for the preparation of the players, he even had a chance at half time to throw a few teacups! Given the 2nd half performance he didn't! Frankly the majority of players today were taking the Pi*s both disrespecting their manager and the loyal fans who made the trip as well as all Watford fans worldwide and the club itself.

Its time to take off the Rose tinted glasses of the optimism already on show for next season, the third season, the club is in crisis. In the most difficult of seasons Sean Dyche achieved 64 points in the season before the Pozzo's took over. It looks like Sannino will be lucky to get that number of points or thereabouts.

Unfortunately I think Sannino's tactics shown against QPR in the last 30 minutes and during the whole game today at Derby does show Sannino's naivety of the quality and commitment needed in order to get out the Championship. He lost six points and with the two games left would have finished on 72 points probably enough for the play-off's this season. Graham Taylor won the last six games of a season to take Watford into the play-off's it can be done.

We have now had three Italian managers at Watford, all nice people but none of them could achieve success. This message must get through loud and clear to the Pozzo's. Man Utd management will not trust Moyes with the kitty and leadership of their club for the next season. I regret I have come to the same conclusion! I think there are serious doubts about Sannino's 'nous' and ability to get Watford promoted next season. In fact I think it would be the right decision to thank him for his efforts and send him on his way after the last game, or consider letting him stay on in an assistant capacity to the new manager if he would accept that!

Finally, I think many of the foreign players today showed the weakness of the project so far, in short these players many of whom have quality and probably feel they are better than other championship players cannot be trusted to deliver, they don't have the commitment and motivation on a consistent level, Some may see this as their 'swan song' in England before 'hanging up their boots'! I believe there are serious questions to be asked with regard to Watford Players fitness levels and injuries, indeed this has been questioned by other clubs who have loaned Watford players this season.

I can't remember another time when I was this angry after a Watford team performance this bad!
In my view this was the worst performance by a Watford team since Glen Roeder's 4-0 defeat to Crystal Palace in 1996 which led to his demise as a Watford manager. The entire team with the exception of three players; Bond, Deeny and Ranegie should hold their heads in shame and donate a week's wages to charity. The lack of commitment, level of passing, the missing motivation, the basic mistakes, the complete lack of interest was akin to a drunken group of tourists playing a football match on the beaches of Ibiza. Neither do I buy into Sannino's 'that's football', He knows what I am referring to? He is responsible for the preparation of the players, he even had a chance at half time to throw a few teacups! Given the 2nd half performance he didn't! Frankly the majority of players today were taking the Pi*s both disrespecting their manager and the loyal fans who made the trip as well as all Watford fans worldwide and the club itself. Its time to take off the Rose tinted glasses of the optimism already on show for next season, the third season, the club is in crisis. In the most difficult of seasons Sean Dyche achieved 64 points in the season before the Pozzo's took over. It looks like Sannino will be lucky to get that number of points or thereabouts. Unfortunately I think Sannino's tactics shown against QPR in the last 30 minutes and during the whole game today at Derby does show Sannino's naivety of the quality and commitment needed in order to get out the Championship. He lost six points and with the two games left would have finished on 72 points probably enough for the play-off's this season. Graham Taylor won the last six games of a season to take Watford into the play-off's it can be done. We have now had three Italian managers at Watford, all nice people but none of them could achieve success. This message must get through loud and clear to the Pozzo's. Man Utd management will not trust Moyes with the kitty and leadership of their club for the next season. I regret I have come to the same conclusion! I think there are serious doubts about Sannino's 'nous' and ability to get Watford promoted next season. In fact I think it would be the right decision to thank him for his efforts and send him on his way after the last game, or consider letting him stay on in an assistant capacity to the new manager if he would accept that! Finally, I think many of the foreign players today showed the weakness of the project so far, in short these players many of whom have quality and probably feel they are better than other championship players cannot be trusted to deliver, they don't have the commitment and motivation on a consistent level, Some may see this as their 'swan song' in England before 'hanging up their boots'! I believe there are serious questions to be asked with regard to Watford Players fitness levels and injuries, indeed this has been questioned by other clubs who have loaned Watford players this season. I can't remember another time when I was this angry after a Watford team performance this bad! rogeruk
  • Score: 56

10:18pm Sat 26 Apr 14

Ramageland says...

I like Beppe but it is very early in his reign to be apologising for a performance. I know all managers do it from time to time but, for me, it is never a good sign. There was a lack of discipline and organisation, and too much petulance. It would be really sad if Cassetti's last performance for the club (which it might be) was a sending off. Love the man - high up on my favourite 'Orns list - but not clever today!!
I like Beppe but it is very early in his reign to be apologising for a performance. I know all managers do it from time to time but, for me, it is never a good sign. There was a lack of discipline and organisation, and too much petulance. It would be really sad if Cassetti's last performance for the club (which it might be) was a sending off. Love the man - high up on my favourite 'Orns list - but not clever today!! Ramageland
  • Score: 3

11:33pm Sat 26 Apr 14

Hairy Hornet says...

Ramageland wrote:
I like Beppe but it is very early in his reign to be apologising for a performance. I know all managers do it from time to time but, for me, it is never a good sign. There was a lack of discipline and organisation, and too much petulance. It would be really sad if Cassetti's last performance for the club (which it might be) was a sending off. Love the man - high up on my favourite 'Orns list - but not clever today!!
What exactly is it you have loved about Cassetti?? The way he blames everyone else for his mistakes? The guaranteed booking every game? The lack of sublety when he inevitably pulls the opposition player back after he has peeled away from him?

I am seriously questioning the sanity of any manager that would choose to play someone who was over the hill 2 years ago. He is a total liabililty. Fed up with saying it. Done for pace every time, petulant, rarely wins any aerial duels. My mates son who plays for the under 10s would run rings round him.

If he gets another playing contract kiss goodbye any chance of promotion next season.
[quote][p][bold]Ramageland[/bold] wrote: I like Beppe but it is very early in his reign to be apologising for a performance. I know all managers do it from time to time but, for me, it is never a good sign. There was a lack of discipline and organisation, and too much petulance. It would be really sad if Cassetti's last performance for the club (which it might be) was a sending off. Love the man - high up on my favourite 'Orns list - but not clever today!![/p][/quote]What exactly is it you have loved about Cassetti?? The way he blames everyone else for his mistakes? The guaranteed booking every game? The lack of sublety when he inevitably pulls the opposition player back after he has peeled away from him? I am seriously questioning the sanity of any manager that would choose to play someone who was over the hill 2 years ago. He is a total liabililty. Fed up with saying it. Done for pace every time, petulant, rarely wins any aerial duels. My mates son who plays for the under 10s would run rings round him. If he gets another playing contract kiss goodbye any chance of promotion next season. Hairy Hornet
  • Score: -13

11:46pm Sat 26 Apr 14

Ramageland says...

Hairy Hornet wrote:
Ramageland wrote:
I like Beppe but it is very early in his reign to be apologising for a performance. I know all managers do it from time to time but, for me, it is never a good sign. There was a lack of discipline and organisation, and too much petulance. It would be really sad if Cassetti's last performance for the club (which it might be) was a sending off. Love the man - high up on my favourite 'Orns list - but not clever today!!
What exactly is it you have loved about Cassetti?? The way he blames everyone else for his mistakes? The guaranteed booking every game? The lack of sublety when he inevitably pulls the opposition player back after he has peeled away from him?

I am seriously questioning the sanity of any manager that would choose to play someone who was over the hill 2 years ago. He is a total liabililty. Fed up with saying it. Done for pace every time, petulant, rarely wins any aerial duels. My mates son who plays for the under 10s would run rings round him.

If he gets another playing contract kiss goodbye any chance of promotion next season.
You're right, this season he has gone downhill to the point where his retirement is inevitable, but last season he was fantastic and that is what I will remember him for (just like that one season of Galli). His reading of the game was something we don't often see at Watford, and he made players 10 years younger look silly with his positioning and movement. It is sad to see the petulance he now displays and I'm sure he won't be around next season.
[quote][p][bold]Hairy Hornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ramageland[/bold] wrote: I like Beppe but it is very early in his reign to be apologising for a performance. I know all managers do it from time to time but, for me, it is never a good sign. There was a lack of discipline and organisation, and too much petulance. It would be really sad if Cassetti's last performance for the club (which it might be) was a sending off. Love the man - high up on my favourite 'Orns list - but not clever today!![/p][/quote]What exactly is it you have loved about Cassetti?? The way he blames everyone else for his mistakes? The guaranteed booking every game? The lack of sublety when he inevitably pulls the opposition player back after he has peeled away from him? I am seriously questioning the sanity of any manager that would choose to play someone who was over the hill 2 years ago. He is a total liabililty. Fed up with saying it. Done for pace every time, petulant, rarely wins any aerial duels. My mates son who plays for the under 10s would run rings round him. If he gets another playing contract kiss goodbye any chance of promotion next season.[/p][/quote]You're right, this season he has gone downhill to the point where his retirement is inevitable, but last season he was fantastic and that is what I will remember him for (just like that one season of Galli). His reading of the game was something we don't often see at Watford, and he made players 10 years younger look silly with his positioning and movement. It is sad to see the petulance he now displays and I'm sure he won't be around next season. Ramageland
  • Score: 13

11:53pm Sat 26 Apr 14

The BestTrip2011 says...

rogeruk wrote:
In my view this was the worst performance by a Watford team since Glen Roeder's 4-0 defeat to Crystal Palace in 1996 which led to his demise as a Watford manager.

The entire team with the exception of three players; Bond, Deeny and Ranegie should hold their heads in shame and donate a week's wages to charity.

The lack of commitment, level of passing, the missing motivation, the basic mistakes, the complete lack of interest was akin to a drunken group of tourists playing a football match on the beaches of Ibiza.

Neither do I buy into Sannino's 'that's football', He knows what I am referring to? He is responsible for the preparation of the players, he even had a chance at half time to throw a few teacups! Given the 2nd half performance he didn't! Frankly the majority of players today were taking the Pi*s both disrespecting their manager and the loyal fans who made the trip as well as all Watford fans worldwide and the club itself.

Its time to take off the Rose tinted glasses of the optimism already on show for next season, the third season, the club is in crisis. In the most difficult of seasons Sean Dyche achieved 64 points in the season before the Pozzo's took over. It looks like Sannino will be lucky to get that number of points or thereabouts.

Unfortunately I think Sannino's tactics shown against QPR in the last 30 minutes and during the whole game today at Derby does show Sannino's naivety of the quality and commitment needed in order to get out the Championship. He lost six points and with the two games left would have finished on 72 points probably enough for the play-off's this season. Graham Taylor won the last six games of a season to take Watford into the play-off's it can be done.

We have now had three Italian managers at Watford, all nice people but none of them could achieve success. This message must get through loud and clear to the Pozzo's. Man Utd management will not trust Moyes with the kitty and leadership of their club for the next season. I regret I have come to the same conclusion! I think there are serious doubts about Sannino's 'nous' and ability to get Watford promoted next season. In fact I think it would be the right decision to thank him for his efforts and send him on his way after the last game, or consider letting him stay on in an assistant capacity to the new manager if he would accept that!

Finally, I think many of the foreign players today showed the weakness of the project so far, in short these players many of whom have quality and probably feel they are better than other championship players cannot be trusted to deliver, they don't have the commitment and motivation on a consistent level, Some may see this as their 'swan song' in England before 'hanging up their boots'! I believe there are serious questions to be asked with regard to Watford Players fitness levels and injuries, indeed this has been questioned by other clubs who have loaned Watford players this season.

I can't remember another time when I was this angry after a Watford team performance this bad!
Yes, everything you've said basically Roger.
It was a sloppy performance by players who didn't seem to care about a team performance.
I've nothing in particular against Sannino. He says the things we want to hear, but I don't believe he has the know-how or man-management to get us where we all want to be.
I do however have a feeling that he'll be awarded another contract.
[quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: In my view this was the worst performance by a Watford team since Glen Roeder's 4-0 defeat to Crystal Palace in 1996 which led to his demise as a Watford manager. The entire team with the exception of three players; Bond, Deeny and Ranegie should hold their heads in shame and donate a week's wages to charity. The lack of commitment, level of passing, the missing motivation, the basic mistakes, the complete lack of interest was akin to a drunken group of tourists playing a football match on the beaches of Ibiza. Neither do I buy into Sannino's 'that's football', He knows what I am referring to? He is responsible for the preparation of the players, he even had a chance at half time to throw a few teacups! Given the 2nd half performance he didn't! Frankly the majority of players today were taking the Pi*s both disrespecting their manager and the loyal fans who made the trip as well as all Watford fans worldwide and the club itself. Its time to take off the Rose tinted glasses of the optimism already on show for next season, the third season, the club is in crisis. In the most difficult of seasons Sean Dyche achieved 64 points in the season before the Pozzo's took over. It looks like Sannino will be lucky to get that number of points or thereabouts. Unfortunately I think Sannino's tactics shown against QPR in the last 30 minutes and during the whole game today at Derby does show Sannino's naivety of the quality and commitment needed in order to get out the Championship. He lost six points and with the two games left would have finished on 72 points probably enough for the play-off's this season. Graham Taylor won the last six games of a season to take Watford into the play-off's it can be done. We have now had three Italian managers at Watford, all nice people but none of them could achieve success. This message must get through loud and clear to the Pozzo's. Man Utd management will not trust Moyes with the kitty and leadership of their club for the next season. I regret I have come to the same conclusion! I think there are serious doubts about Sannino's 'nous' and ability to get Watford promoted next season. In fact I think it would be the right decision to thank him for his efforts and send him on his way after the last game, or consider letting him stay on in an assistant capacity to the new manager if he would accept that! Finally, I think many of the foreign players today showed the weakness of the project so far, in short these players many of whom have quality and probably feel they are better than other championship players cannot be trusted to deliver, they don't have the commitment and motivation on a consistent level, Some may see this as their 'swan song' in England before 'hanging up their boots'! I believe there are serious questions to be asked with regard to Watford Players fitness levels and injuries, indeed this has been questioned by other clubs who have loaned Watford players this season. I can't remember another time when I was this angry after a Watford team performance this bad![/p][/quote]Yes, everything you've said basically Roger. It was a sloppy performance by players who didn't seem to care about a team performance. I've nothing in particular against Sannino. He says the things we want to hear, but I don't believe he has the know-how or man-management to get us where we all want to be. I do however have a feeling that he'll be awarded another contract. The BestTrip2011
  • Score: 6

12:16am Sun 27 Apr 14

Hairy Hornet says...

Ramageland wrote:
Hairy Hornet wrote:
Ramageland wrote:
I like Beppe but it is very early in his reign to be apologising for a performance. I know all managers do it from time to time but, for me, it is never a good sign. There was a lack of discipline and organisation, and too much petulance. It would be really sad if Cassetti's last performance for the club (which it might be) was a sending off. Love the man - high up on my favourite 'Orns list - but not clever today!!
What exactly is it you have loved about Cassetti?? The way he blames everyone else for his mistakes? The guaranteed booking every game? The lack of sublety when he inevitably pulls the opposition player back after he has peeled away from him?

I am seriously questioning the sanity of any manager that would choose to play someone who was over the hill 2 years ago. He is a total liabililty. Fed up with saying it. Done for pace every time, petulant, rarely wins any aerial duels. My mates son who plays for the under 10s would run rings round him.

If he gets another playing contract kiss goodbye any chance of promotion next season.
You're right, this season he has gone downhill to the point where his retirement is inevitable, but last season he was fantastic and that is what I will remember him for (just like that one season of Galli). His reading of the game was something we don't often see at Watford, and he made players 10 years younger look silly with his positioning and movement. It is sad to see the petulance he now displays and I'm sure he won't be around next season.
Well said M8. Just hope ur right.
[quote][p][bold]Ramageland[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hairy Hornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ramageland[/bold] wrote: I like Beppe but it is very early in his reign to be apologising for a performance. I know all managers do it from time to time but, for me, it is never a good sign. There was a lack of discipline and organisation, and too much petulance. It would be really sad if Cassetti's last performance for the club (which it might be) was a sending off. Love the man - high up on my favourite 'Orns list - but not clever today!![/p][/quote]What exactly is it you have loved about Cassetti?? The way he blames everyone else for his mistakes? The guaranteed booking every game? The lack of sublety when he inevitably pulls the opposition player back after he has peeled away from him? I am seriously questioning the sanity of any manager that would choose to play someone who was over the hill 2 years ago. He is a total liabililty. Fed up with saying it. Done for pace every time, petulant, rarely wins any aerial duels. My mates son who plays for the under 10s would run rings round him. If he gets another playing contract kiss goodbye any chance of promotion next season.[/p][/quote]You're right, this season he has gone downhill to the point where his retirement is inevitable, but last season he was fantastic and that is what I will remember him for (just like that one season of Galli). His reading of the game was something we don't often see at Watford, and he made players 10 years younger look silly with his positioning and movement. It is sad to see the petulance he now displays and I'm sure he won't be around next season.[/p][/quote]Well said M8. Just hope ur right. Hairy Hornet
  • Score: 3

12:43am Sun 27 Apr 14

SJM...laugh at luton says...

If u have the right squad to get to the premier league only some managers have what it takes to achieve..,

I believe we have the right manager,he has only had 4 months,sorted out home form,he had 3 months now to sort out next season...I do believe we will go straight up next season...Deeney will go to premier league now,but we have to work with what we have and get a good center forward and 2 good defenders to make this happen..,

Udinese will help us...
If u have the right squad to get to the premier league only some managers have what it takes to achieve.., I believe we have the right manager,he has only had 4 months,sorted out home form,he had 3 months now to sort out next season...I do believe we will go straight up next season...Deeney will go to premier league now,but we have to work with what we have and get a good center forward and 2 good defenders to make this happen.., Udinese will help us... SJM...laugh at luton
  • Score: -3

1:55am Sun 27 Apr 14

llloydwithathirdl says...

Hairy Hornet wrote:
Ramageland wrote:
Hairy Hornet wrote:
Ramageland wrote:
I like Beppe but it is very early in his reign to be apologising for a performance. I know all managers do it from time to time but, for me, it is never a good sign. There was a lack of discipline and organisation, and too much petulance. It would be really sad if Cassetti's last performance for the club (which it might be) was a sending off. Love the man - high up on my favourite 'Orns list - but not clever today!!
What exactly is it you have loved about Cassetti?? The way he blames everyone else for his mistakes? The guaranteed booking every game? The lack of sublety when he inevitably pulls the opposition player back after he has peeled away from him?

I am seriously questioning the sanity of any manager that would choose to play someone who was over the hill 2 years ago. He is a total liabililty. Fed up with saying it. Done for pace every time, petulant, rarely wins any aerial duels. My mates son who plays for the under 10s would run rings round him.

If he gets another playing contract kiss goodbye any chance of promotion next season.
You're right, this season he has gone downhill to the point where his retirement is inevitable, but last season he was fantastic and that is what I will remember him for (just like that one season of Galli). His reading of the game was something we don't often see at Watford, and he made players 10 years younger look silly with his positioning and movement. It is sad to see the petulance he now displays and I'm sure he won't be around next season.
Well said M8. Just hope ur right.
Cassetti has been a wonderful player for us, and had an incredible career before he came to England. The likes of Marco do not come around very often for a Championship side. He deserves so much respect.

Also I would say Doyley was by far our worst defender today, even considering the red card. A very bad day at the office.
[quote][p][bold]Hairy Hornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ramageland[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hairy Hornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ramageland[/bold] wrote: I like Beppe but it is very early in his reign to be apologising for a performance. I know all managers do it from time to time but, for me, it is never a good sign. There was a lack of discipline and organisation, and too much petulance. It would be really sad if Cassetti's last performance for the club (which it might be) was a sending off. Love the man - high up on my favourite 'Orns list - but not clever today!![/p][/quote]What exactly is it you have loved about Cassetti?? The way he blames everyone else for his mistakes? The guaranteed booking every game? The lack of sublety when he inevitably pulls the opposition player back after he has peeled away from him? I am seriously questioning the sanity of any manager that would choose to play someone who was over the hill 2 years ago. He is a total liabililty. Fed up with saying it. Done for pace every time, petulant, rarely wins any aerial duels. My mates son who plays for the under 10s would run rings round him. If he gets another playing contract kiss goodbye any chance of promotion next season.[/p][/quote]You're right, this season he has gone downhill to the point where his retirement is inevitable, but last season he was fantastic and that is what I will remember him for (just like that one season of Galli). His reading of the game was something we don't often see at Watford, and he made players 10 years younger look silly with his positioning and movement. It is sad to see the petulance he now displays and I'm sure he won't be around next season.[/p][/quote]Well said M8. Just hope ur right.[/p][/quote]Cassetti has been a wonderful player for us, and had an incredible career before he came to England. The likes of Marco do not come around very often for a Championship side. He deserves so much respect. Also I would say Doyley was by far our worst defender today, even considering the red card. A very bad day at the office. llloydwithathirdl
  • Score: 7

5:48am Sun 27 Apr 14

lutondown says...

llloydwithathirdl wrote:
Hairy Hornet wrote:
Ramageland wrote:
Hairy Hornet wrote:
Ramageland wrote:
I like Beppe but it is very early in his reign to be apologising for a performance. I know all managers do it from time to time but, for me, it is never a good sign. There was a lack of discipline and organisation, and too much petulance. It would be really sad if Cassetti's last performance for the club (which it might be) was a sending off. Love the man - high up on my favourite 'Orns list - but not clever today!!
What exactly is it you have loved about Cassetti?? The way he blames everyone else for his mistakes? The guaranteed booking every game? The lack of sublety when he inevitably pulls the opposition player back after he has peeled away from him?

I am seriously questioning the sanity of any manager that would choose to play someone who was over the hill 2 years ago. He is a total liabililty. Fed up with saying it. Done for pace every time, petulant, rarely wins any aerial duels. My mates son who plays for the under 10s would run rings round him.

If he gets another playing contract kiss goodbye any chance of promotion next season.
You're right, this season he has gone downhill to the point where his retirement is inevitable, but last season he was fantastic and that is what I will remember him for (just like that one season of Galli). His reading of the game was something we don't often see at Watford, and he made players 10 years younger look silly with his positioning and movement. It is sad to see the petulance he now displays and I'm sure he won't be around next season.
Well said M8. Just hope ur right.
Cassetti has been a wonderful player for us, and had an incredible career before he came to England. The likes of Marco do not come around very often for a Championship side. He deserves so much respect.

Also I would say Doyley was by far our worst defender today, even considering the red card. A very bad day at the office.
Spot on
Doyley was never the right option.with Hoban available. Mcgugan, was absolutely dire. Anya, other than his assist was all fizz and no end product.
i cannot understand the rubbish being written about Marco, but probably authored by fans sitting around the radio and the first to chant that stupid Lloydinhio chant.
to blame the foriegners is laughable, they are as much victims to how the team is set up and lets remember we are missing our best players in Angella, Fessi and Abdi...hardly anglo saxons themselves.
Beppe will be there come August, along with some new signing..i like most rather he wasnt, but there you have it.
i apologise for my lack of punctuation, but my iphone is like our team, and doing just what it pleases
[quote][p][bold]llloydwithathirdl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hairy Hornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ramageland[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hairy Hornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ramageland[/bold] wrote: I like Beppe but it is very early in his reign to be apologising for a performance. I know all managers do it from time to time but, for me, it is never a good sign. There was a lack of discipline and organisation, and too much petulance. It would be really sad if Cassetti's last performance for the club (which it might be) was a sending off. Love the man - high up on my favourite 'Orns list - but not clever today!![/p][/quote]What exactly is it you have loved about Cassetti?? The way he blames everyone else for his mistakes? The guaranteed booking every game? The lack of sublety when he inevitably pulls the opposition player back after he has peeled away from him? I am seriously questioning the sanity of any manager that would choose to play someone who was over the hill 2 years ago. He is a total liabililty. Fed up with saying it. Done for pace every time, petulant, rarely wins any aerial duels. My mates son who plays for the under 10s would run rings round him. If he gets another playing contract kiss goodbye any chance of promotion next season.[/p][/quote]You're right, this season he has gone downhill to the point where his retirement is inevitable, but last season he was fantastic and that is what I will remember him for (just like that one season of Galli). His reading of the game was something we don't often see at Watford, and he made players 10 years younger look silly with his positioning and movement. It is sad to see the petulance he now displays and I'm sure he won't be around next season.[/p][/quote]Well said M8. Just hope ur right.[/p][/quote]Cassetti has been a wonderful player for us, and had an incredible career before he came to England. The likes of Marco do not come around very often for a Championship side. He deserves so much respect. Also I would say Doyley was by far our worst defender today, even considering the red card. A very bad day at the office.[/p][/quote]Spot on Doyley was never the right option.with Hoban available. Mcgugan, was absolutely dire. Anya, other than his assist was all fizz and no end product. i cannot understand the rubbish being written about Marco, but probably authored by fans sitting around the radio and the first to chant that stupid Lloydinhio chant. to blame the foriegners is laughable, they are as much victims to how the team is set up and lets remember we are missing our best players in Angella, Fessi and Abdi...hardly anglo saxons themselves. Beppe will be there come August, along with some new signing..i like most rather he wasnt, but there you have it. i apologise for my lack of punctuation, but my iphone is like our team, and doing just what it pleases lutondown
  • Score: 6

6:59am Sun 27 Apr 14

endean2 says...

rogeruk wrote:
In my view this was the worst performance by a Watford team since Glen Roeder's 4-0 defeat to Crystal Palace in 1996 which led to his demise as a Watford manager.

The entire team with the exception of three players; Bond, Deeny and Ranegie should hold their heads in shame and donate a week's wages to charity.

The lack of commitment, level of passing, the missing motivation, the basic mistakes, the complete lack of interest was akin to a drunken group of tourists playing a football match on the beaches of Ibiza.

Neither do I buy into Sannino's 'that's football', He knows what I am referring to? He is responsible for the preparation of the players, he even had a chance at half time to throw a few teacups! Given the 2nd half performance he didn't! Frankly the majority of players today were taking the Pi*s both disrespecting their manager and the loyal fans who made the trip as well as all Watford fans worldwide and the club itself.

Its time to take off the Rose tinted glasses of the optimism already on show for next season, the third season, the club is in crisis. In the most difficult of seasons Sean Dyche achieved 64 points in the season before the Pozzo's took over. It looks like Sannino will be lucky to get that number of points or thereabouts.

Unfortunately I think Sannino's tactics shown against QPR in the last 30 minutes and during the whole game today at Derby does show Sannino's naivety of the quality and commitment needed in order to get out the Championship. He lost six points and with the two games left would have finished on 72 points probably enough for the play-off's this season. Graham Taylor won the last six games of a season to take Watford into the play-off's it can be done.

We have now had three Italian managers at Watford, all nice people but none of them could achieve success. This message must get through loud and clear to the Pozzo's. Man Utd management will not trust Moyes with the kitty and leadership of their club for the next season. I regret I have come to the same conclusion! I think there are serious doubts about Sannino's 'nous' and ability to get Watford promoted next season. In fact I think it would be the right decision to thank him for his efforts and send him on his way after the last game, or consider letting him stay on in an assistant capacity to the new manager if he would accept that!

Finally, I think many of the foreign players today showed the weakness of the project so far, in short these players many of whom have quality and probably feel they are better than other championship players cannot be trusted to deliver, they don't have the commitment and motivation on a consistent level, Some may see this as their 'swan song' in England before 'hanging up their boots'! I believe there are serious questions to be asked with regard to Watford Players fitness levels and injuries, indeed this has been questioned by other clubs who have loaned Watford players this season.

I can't remember another time when I was this angry after a Watford team performance this bad!
your comments are spot on, all of them.
The fools that think a couple of new players for next season will see us walk to the Premier league are utterly deluded. There is a lot more work required to
sort this team out before we compete at the top table.
Different sport I know but look at our old ground sharers yesterday-Saracens

they will reign supreme for years as one of the best in Europe, it took a good many years for them to get there, so be patient.

Finally, I strongly believe we need an English manager for next season.
[quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: In my view this was the worst performance by a Watford team since Glen Roeder's 4-0 defeat to Crystal Palace in 1996 which led to his demise as a Watford manager. The entire team with the exception of three players; Bond, Deeny and Ranegie should hold their heads in shame and donate a week's wages to charity. The lack of commitment, level of passing, the missing motivation, the basic mistakes, the complete lack of interest was akin to a drunken group of tourists playing a football match on the beaches of Ibiza. Neither do I buy into Sannino's 'that's football', He knows what I am referring to? He is responsible for the preparation of the players, he even had a chance at half time to throw a few teacups! Given the 2nd half performance he didn't! Frankly the majority of players today were taking the Pi*s both disrespecting their manager and the loyal fans who made the trip as well as all Watford fans worldwide and the club itself. Its time to take off the Rose tinted glasses of the optimism already on show for next season, the third season, the club is in crisis. In the most difficult of seasons Sean Dyche achieved 64 points in the season before the Pozzo's took over. It looks like Sannino will be lucky to get that number of points or thereabouts. Unfortunately I think Sannino's tactics shown against QPR in the last 30 minutes and during the whole game today at Derby does show Sannino's naivety of the quality and commitment needed in order to get out the Championship. He lost six points and with the two games left would have finished on 72 points probably enough for the play-off's this season. Graham Taylor won the last six games of a season to take Watford into the play-off's it can be done. We have now had three Italian managers at Watford, all nice people but none of them could achieve success. This message must get through loud and clear to the Pozzo's. Man Utd management will not trust Moyes with the kitty and leadership of their club for the next season. I regret I have come to the same conclusion! I think there are serious doubts about Sannino's 'nous' and ability to get Watford promoted next season. In fact I think it would be the right decision to thank him for his efforts and send him on his way after the last game, or consider letting him stay on in an assistant capacity to the new manager if he would accept that! Finally, I think many of the foreign players today showed the weakness of the project so far, in short these players many of whom have quality and probably feel they are better than other championship players cannot be trusted to deliver, they don't have the commitment and motivation on a consistent level, Some may see this as their 'swan song' in England before 'hanging up their boots'! I believe there are serious questions to be asked with regard to Watford Players fitness levels and injuries, indeed this has been questioned by other clubs who have loaned Watford players this season. I can't remember another time when I was this angry after a Watford team performance this bad![/p][/quote]your comments are spot on, all of them. The fools that think a couple of new players for next season will see us walk to the Premier league are utterly deluded. There is a lot more work required to sort this team out before we compete at the top table. Different sport I know but look at our old ground sharers yesterday-Saracens they will reign supreme for years as one of the best in Europe, it took a good many years for them to get there, so be patient. Finally, I strongly believe we need an English manager for next season. endean2
  • Score: 3

8:01am Sun 27 Apr 14

johnowatford says...

I listened to the match commentary on the Hornets player. David Holdsworth was on there too with the commentator. His comments were excellent about both teams. In particular he picked out Deeney, Bond, Ranegie and also Pudil as the hardest working players on the park for WFC. The others he said didn't chase back or perform strongly enough; he also blamed Bepe for changing the tactics several times during the match. WFC spent most of their time giving away needless fouls and giving the ball away in their own half.
Derby for the Prem? Do score a lot of goals unlike the others.
Having been a supporter for over 60 years through thick and mainly thin, I think the Pozzos' will get us to the Prem before long.
I listened to the match commentary on the Hornets player. David Holdsworth was on there too with the commentator. His comments were excellent about both teams. In particular he picked out Deeney, Bond, Ranegie and also Pudil as the hardest working players on the park for WFC. The others he said didn't chase back or perform strongly enough; he also blamed Bepe for changing the tactics several times during the match. WFC spent most of their time giving away needless fouls and giving the ball away in their own half. Derby for the Prem? Do score a lot of goals unlike the others. Having been a supporter for over 60 years through thick and mainly thin, I think the Pozzos' will get us to the Prem before long. johnowatford
  • Score: 13

8:22am Sun 27 Apr 14

stiffler99 says...

Beppe apologised to us fans when we lost at Bolton which wasn't that many weeks ago. I can accept that al teams have shockers every now and again but we don,t seem t have had many good days at the office this season either.
Beppe apologised to us fans when we lost at Bolton which wasn't that many weeks ago. I can accept that al teams have shockers every now and again but we don,t seem t have had many good days at the office this season either. stiffler99
  • Score: 8

8:56am Sun 27 Apr 14

Mooneyman says...

llloydwithathirdl wrote:
Hairy Hornet wrote:
Ramageland wrote:
Hairy Hornet wrote:
Ramageland wrote:
I like Beppe but it is very early in his reign to be apologising for a performance. I know all managers do it from time to time but, for me, it is never a good sign. There was a lack of discipline and organisation, and too much petulance. It would be really sad if Cassetti's last performance for the club (which it might be) was a sending off. Love the man - high up on my favourite 'Orns list - but not clever today!!
What exactly is it you have loved about Cassetti?? The way he blames everyone else for his mistakes? The guaranteed booking every game? The lack of sublety when he inevitably pulls the opposition player back after he has peeled away from him?

I am seriously questioning the sanity of any manager that would choose to play someone who was over the hill 2 years ago. He is a total liabililty. Fed up with saying it. Done for pace every time, petulant, rarely wins any aerial duels. My mates son who plays for the under 10s would run rings round him.

If he gets another playing contract kiss goodbye any chance of promotion next season.
You're right, this season he has gone downhill to the point where his retirement is inevitable, but last season he was fantastic and that is what I will remember him for (just like that one season of Galli). His reading of the game was something we don't often see at Watford, and he made players 10 years younger look silly with his positioning and movement. It is sad to see the petulance he now displays and I'm sure he won't be around next season.
Well said M8. Just hope ur right.
Cassetti has been a wonderful player for us, and had an incredible career before he came to England. The likes of Marco do not come around very often for a Championship side. He deserves so much respect.

Also I would say Doyley was by far our worst defender today, even considering the red card. A very bad day at the office.
I must have been watching a different Cassetti for the last two years. He was & is a liability, a constant accident waiting to happen. Constantly fouling unsubtly & unnecessarily, complete lack of pace & far too much moaning at refs as well as blaming colleagues throughout the game for mistakes. Show him the door and the defence can be built next season without him, which will be a good thing without doubt.
[quote][p][bold]llloydwithathirdl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hairy Hornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ramageland[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hairy Hornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ramageland[/bold] wrote: I like Beppe but it is very early in his reign to be apologising for a performance. I know all managers do it from time to time but, for me, it is never a good sign. There was a lack of discipline and organisation, and too much petulance. It would be really sad if Cassetti's last performance for the club (which it might be) was a sending off. Love the man - high up on my favourite 'Orns list - but not clever today!![/p][/quote]What exactly is it you have loved about Cassetti?? The way he blames everyone else for his mistakes? The guaranteed booking every game? The lack of sublety when he inevitably pulls the opposition player back after he has peeled away from him? I am seriously questioning the sanity of any manager that would choose to play someone who was over the hill 2 years ago. He is a total liabililty. Fed up with saying it. Done for pace every time, petulant, rarely wins any aerial duels. My mates son who plays for the under 10s would run rings round him. If he gets another playing contract kiss goodbye any chance of promotion next season.[/p][/quote]You're right, this season he has gone downhill to the point where his retirement is inevitable, but last season he was fantastic and that is what I will remember him for (just like that one season of Galli). His reading of the game was something we don't often see at Watford, and he made players 10 years younger look silly with his positioning and movement. It is sad to see the petulance he now displays and I'm sure he won't be around next season.[/p][/quote]Well said M8. Just hope ur right.[/p][/quote]Cassetti has been a wonderful player for us, and had an incredible career before he came to England. The likes of Marco do not come around very often for a Championship side. He deserves so much respect. Also I would say Doyley was by far our worst defender today, even considering the red card. A very bad day at the office.[/p][/quote]I must have been watching a different Cassetti for the last two years. He was & is a liability, a constant accident waiting to happen. Constantly fouling unsubtly & unnecessarily, complete lack of pace & far too much moaning at refs as well as blaming colleagues throughout the game for mistakes. Show him the door and the defence can be built next season without him, which will be a good thing without doubt. Mooneyman
  • Score: 0

9:57am Sun 27 Apr 14

mkhornet says...

This season we averaged 1.25 points per game under Zola, so far 1.46 points per game under Sannino. Looking at the table 1.6 points per game needed for the play offs and 2 points per game for automatic so quite a lot of improvement needed next season. Is Beppe the man? Who Knows. If he's not the man who is? Your guess is as good as mine!!
This season we averaged 1.25 points per game under Zola, so far 1.46 points per game under Sannino. Looking at the table 1.6 points per game needed for the play offs and 2 points per game for automatic so quite a lot of improvement needed next season. Is Beppe the man? Who Knows. If he's not the man who is? Your guess is as good as mine!! mkhornet
  • Score: 1

10:22am Sun 27 Apr 14

Hornankey says...

The Championship is about blood and guts, English football. Our team plays attractive football occasionally but is no match for the physicality of the other teams. Our poor disciplinary record shows that we have to resort to fouling because we cannot match the physical approach of our competitors. We thank the Pozzos for the marvellous job they have done in stabilising the infrastructure of the club. They now need to focus on the needs of the league in which the club plays and provide an English backbone and leadership to the team. The physical strengths will complement the undoubted skills of our foreign players.
The Championship is about blood and guts, English football. Our team plays attractive football occasionally but is no match for the physicality of the other teams. Our poor disciplinary record shows that we have to resort to fouling because we cannot match the physical approach of our competitors. We thank the Pozzos for the marvellous job they have done in stabilising the infrastructure of the club. They now need to focus on the needs of the league in which the club plays and provide an English backbone and leadership to the team. The physical strengths will complement the undoubted skills of our foreign players. Hornankey
  • Score: 5

10:49am Sun 27 Apr 14

watford1881 says...

Why is Marco always picked infront of Hobban?? Marrco is slow, gives away too many freekicks.. We definitely need a tougher british back line, but sadly U know we wont get one.. We lack a No nonsense defender.. Plus PLEASE train more on defending crosses. This is not Italy.. Forwards here do head it...
Why is Marco always picked infront of Hobban?? Marrco is slow, gives away too many freekicks.. We definitely need a tougher british back line, but sadly U know we wont get one.. We lack a No nonsense defender.. Plus PLEASE train more on defending crosses. This is not Italy.. Forwards here do head it... watford1881
  • Score: 12

10:54am Sun 27 Apr 14

buckler says...

Be Happy to see the back of Sannino, Almunia and Cassetti ! None of them up to the job needed !
Be Happy to see the back of Sannino, Almunia and Cassetti ! None of them up to the job needed ! buckler
  • Score: 11

10:56am Sun 27 Apr 14

watford1881 says...

Herd Bond is going on season long loan to Millwall next season and we are bringing in two well needed GK's.. If MA signs again we ar get one GK..... I really hope we can get Simone Scuffet on loan he would be brilliant for us....
Herd Bond is going on season long loan to Millwall next season and we are bringing in two well needed GK's.. If MA signs again we ar get one GK..... I really hope we can get Simone Scuffet on loan he would be brilliant for us.... watford1881
  • Score: 5

1:53pm Sun 27 Apr 14

berkshire orn says...

Bond needs to stay at watford and be given a good run in the side other wise he will ask to go more games and he can only get more solid come on you horns
Bond needs to stay at watford and be given a good run in the side other wise he will ask to go more games and he can only get more solid come on you horns berkshire orn
  • Score: -1

3:03pm Sun 27 Apr 14

Abbots hornet says...

Great comments by rogeruk .our away record 1 win in approx 16 is disgraceful for a team that on paper has tons of quality.Boils down to heart and championship know how.I also question the levels of fitness . I don't doubt Sonnino is a decent chap but he should go I'm afraid,We have to find a proper championship manager.hate to say it but Malky is the man.I was annoyed with the appalling way he left and took everyone with him,but if you had Bassini as a boss what else would you do? Dyche got more points than we are going to get this year and that comes down to desire and heart.
We also need a proper championship captain .Bond is not the answer in goal he is a loach clone decent shot stopper but rubbish on crosses and positioning.what do they do all week?
Abdi and Toscer are 2 of the best midfielders I have seen at the vic since 1969 so it's not all doom and gloom but let stop bringing in players with no experience in this league who have some bottle.What has been the point of Merkel,Diakite,Belka
lem,Brown,Neill,Park
,andMCEachran? Just a waste of cash and demonstrates aclack of knowledge of how to compete in this league.
Next year Almunia should go Deeney probably and deservedly should go and earn some prem moneyAngella is a class act and should also be in the prem.So Mr Pozzos it's time to sort your model a bit.Let's get some tough championship pros in to mix with the likes of Abdi
Cmon you horns!
Great comments by rogeruk .our away record 1 win in approx 16 is disgraceful for a team that on paper has tons of quality.Boils down to heart and championship know how.I also question the levels of fitness . I don't doubt Sonnino is a decent chap but he should go I'm afraid,We have to find a proper championship manager.hate to say it but Malky is the man.I was annoyed with the appalling way he left and took everyone with him,but if you had Bassini as a boss what else would you do? Dyche got more points than we are going to get this year and that comes down to desire and heart. We also need a proper championship captain .Bond is not the answer in goal he is a loach clone decent shot stopper but rubbish on crosses and positioning.what do they do all week? Abdi and Toscer are 2 of the best midfielders I have seen at the vic since 1969 so it's not all doom and gloom but let stop bringing in players with no experience in this league who have some bottle.What has been the point of Merkel,Diakite,Belka lem,Brown,Neill,Park ,andMCEachran? Just a waste of cash and demonstrates aclack of knowledge of how to compete in this league. Next year Almunia should go Deeney probably and deservedly should go and earn some prem moneyAngella is a class act and should also be in the prem.So Mr Pozzos it's time to sort your model a bit.Let's get some tough championship pros in to mix with the likes of Abdi Cmon you horns! Abbots hornet
  • Score: -2

4:32pm Sun 27 Apr 14

grahamwfc says...

watford1881 wrote:
Herd Bond is going on season long loan to Millwall next season and we are bringing in two well needed GK's.. If MA signs again we ar get one GK..... I really hope we can get Simone Scuffet on loan he would be brilliant for us....
About as reliable as your spelling I would suggest. Man of the Match for us yesterday and deserves a run in the side next season.
[quote][p][bold]watford1881[/bold] wrote: Herd Bond is going on season long loan to Millwall next season and we are bringing in two well needed GK's.. If MA signs again we ar get one GK..... I really hope we can get Simone Scuffet on loan he would be brilliant for us....[/p][/quote]About as reliable as your spelling I would suggest. Man of the Match for us yesterday and deserves a run in the side next season. grahamwfc
  • Score: 4

7:12pm Sun 27 Apr 14

watford1881 says...

grahamwfc wrote:
watford1881 wrote:
Herd Bond is going on season long loan to Millwall next season and we are bringing in two well needed GK's.. If MA signs again we ar get one GK..... I really hope we can get Simone Scuffet on loan he would be brilliant for us....
About as reliable as your spelling I would suggest. Man of the Match for us yesterday and deserves a run in the side next season.
Unless U have access to the training ground U would never know then would U.. Bond is going out on loan
[quote][p][bold]grahamwfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]watford1881[/bold] wrote: Herd Bond is going on season long loan to Millwall next season and we are bringing in two well needed GK's.. If MA signs again we ar get one GK..... I really hope we can get Simone Scuffet on loan he would be brilliant for us....[/p][/quote]About as reliable as your spelling I would suggest. Man of the Match for us yesterday and deserves a run in the side next season.[/p][/quote]Unless U have access to the training ground U would never know then would U.. Bond is going out on loan watford1881
  • Score: 3

7:34pm Sun 27 Apr 14

Monstermunch17 says...

endean2 wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
In my view this was the worst performance by a Watford team since Glen Roeder's 4-0 defeat to Crystal Palace in 1996 which led to his demise as a Watford manager.

The entire team with the exception of three players; Bond, Deeny and Ranegie should hold their heads in shame and donate a week's wages to charity.

The lack of commitment, level of passing, the missing motivation, the basic mistakes, the complete lack of interest was akin to a drunken group of tourists playing a football match on the beaches of Ibiza.

Neither do I buy into Sannino's 'that's football', He knows what I am referring to? He is responsible for the preparation of the players, he even had a chance at half time to throw a few teacups! Given the 2nd half performance he didn't! Frankly the majority of players today were taking the Pi*s both disrespecting their manager and the loyal fans who made the trip as well as all Watford fans worldwide and the club itself.

Its time to take off the Rose tinted glasses of the optimism already on show for next season, the third season, the club is in crisis. In the most difficult of seasons Sean Dyche achieved 64 points in the season before the Pozzo's took over. It looks like Sannino will be lucky to get that number of points or thereabouts.

Unfortunately I think Sannino's tactics shown against QPR in the last 30 minutes and during the whole game today at Derby does show Sannino's naivety of the quality and commitment needed in order to get out the Championship. He lost six points and with the two games left would have finished on 72 points probably enough for the play-off's this season. Graham Taylor won the last six games of a season to take Watford into the play-off's it can be done.

We have now had three Italian managers at Watford, all nice people but none of them could achieve success. This message must get through loud and clear to the Pozzo's. Man Utd management will not trust Moyes with the kitty and leadership of their club for the next season. I regret I have come to the same conclusion! I think there are serious doubts about Sannino's 'nous' and ability to get Watford promoted next season. In fact I think it would be the right decision to thank him for his efforts and send him on his way after the last game, or consider letting him stay on in an assistant capacity to the new manager if he would accept that!

Finally, I think many of the foreign players today showed the weakness of the project so far, in short these players many of whom have quality and probably feel they are better than other championship players cannot be trusted to deliver, they don't have the commitment and motivation on a consistent level, Some may see this as their 'swan song' in England before 'hanging up their boots'! I believe there are serious questions to be asked with regard to Watford Players fitness levels and injuries, indeed this has been questioned by other clubs who have loaned Watford players this season.

I can't remember another time when I was this angry after a Watford team performance this bad!
your comments are spot on, all of them.
The fools that think a couple of new players for next season will see us walk to the Premier league are utterly deluded. There is a lot more work required to
sort this team out before we compete at the top table.
Different sport I know but look at our old ground sharers yesterday-Saracens

they will reign supreme for years as one of the best in Europe, it took a good many years for them to get there, so be patient.

Finally, I strongly believe we need an English manager for next season.
Maybe someone like Sean Dyche
[quote][p][bold]endean2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: In my view this was the worst performance by a Watford team since Glen Roeder's 4-0 defeat to Crystal Palace in 1996 which led to his demise as a Watford manager. The entire team with the exception of three players; Bond, Deeny and Ranegie should hold their heads in shame and donate a week's wages to charity. The lack of commitment, level of passing, the missing motivation, the basic mistakes, the complete lack of interest was akin to a drunken group of tourists playing a football match on the beaches of Ibiza. Neither do I buy into Sannino's 'that's football', He knows what I am referring to? He is responsible for the preparation of the players, he even had a chance at half time to throw a few teacups! Given the 2nd half performance he didn't! Frankly the majority of players today were taking the Pi*s both disrespecting their manager and the loyal fans who made the trip as well as all Watford fans worldwide and the club itself. Its time to take off the Rose tinted glasses of the optimism already on show for next season, the third season, the club is in crisis. In the most difficult of seasons Sean Dyche achieved 64 points in the season before the Pozzo's took over. It looks like Sannino will be lucky to get that number of points or thereabouts. Unfortunately I think Sannino's tactics shown against QPR in the last 30 minutes and during the whole game today at Derby does show Sannino's naivety of the quality and commitment needed in order to get out the Championship. He lost six points and with the two games left would have finished on 72 points probably enough for the play-off's this season. Graham Taylor won the last six games of a season to take Watford into the play-off's it can be done. We have now had three Italian managers at Watford, all nice people but none of them could achieve success. This message must get through loud and clear to the Pozzo's. Man Utd management will not trust Moyes with the kitty and leadership of their club for the next season. I regret I have come to the same conclusion! I think there are serious doubts about Sannino's 'nous' and ability to get Watford promoted next season. In fact I think it would be the right decision to thank him for his efforts and send him on his way after the last game, or consider letting him stay on in an assistant capacity to the new manager if he would accept that! Finally, I think many of the foreign players today showed the weakness of the project so far, in short these players many of whom have quality and probably feel they are better than other championship players cannot be trusted to deliver, they don't have the commitment and motivation on a consistent level, Some may see this as their 'swan song' in England before 'hanging up their boots'! I believe there are serious questions to be asked with regard to Watford Players fitness levels and injuries, indeed this has been questioned by other clubs who have loaned Watford players this season. I can't remember another time when I was this angry after a Watford team performance this bad![/p][/quote]your comments are spot on, all of them. The fools that think a couple of new players for next season will see us walk to the Premier league are utterly deluded. There is a lot more work required to sort this team out before we compete at the top table. Different sport I know but look at our old ground sharers yesterday-Saracens they will reign supreme for years as one of the best in Europe, it took a good many years for them to get there, so be patient. Finally, I strongly believe we need an English manager for next season.[/p][/quote]Maybe someone like Sean Dyche Monstermunch17
  • Score: -1

7:39pm Sun 27 Apr 14

tiger bay says...

For Jonathan Bond read Richard Lee, Scott Loach ....good shot stopper. ..no aerial dominance, poor distribution. ..lower league bench warmers at best..taxi for Chamberlain. .
For Jonathan Bond read Richard Lee, Scott Loach ....good shot stopper. ..no aerial dominance, poor distribution. ..lower league bench warmers at best..taxi for Chamberlain. . tiger bay
  • Score: -2

9:17am Mon 28 Apr 14

thepriceisnickywright says...

tiger bay wrote:
For Jonathan Bond read Richard Lee, Scott Loach ....good shot stopper. ..no aerial dominance, poor distribution. ..lower league bench warmers at best..taxi for Chamberlain. .
Ridiculous comment. Bond is 21, a young keeper with plenty of potential. He has played very very well in a large percentage of the games he has played, and was MOM yesterday in a lot of people's opinions. If you are shooting down our young players like this without giving them a chance to develop you're hardly helping. What he needs is games. All season he has had to come off the bench and play the odd match here and there, which must be so tricky as a keeper considering he gets no match practice all season. When he has had a run in the side he has looked like a very able keeper. He should be our No.1 next season.
[quote][p][bold]tiger bay[/bold] wrote: For Jonathan Bond read Richard Lee, Scott Loach ....good shot stopper. ..no aerial dominance, poor distribution. ..lower league bench warmers at best..taxi for Chamberlain. .[/p][/quote]Ridiculous comment. Bond is 21, a young keeper with plenty of potential. He has played very very well in a large percentage of the games he has played, and was MOM yesterday in a lot of people's opinions. If you are shooting down our young players like this without giving them a chance to develop you're hardly helping. What he needs is games. All season he has had to come off the bench and play the odd match here and there, which must be so tricky as a keeper considering he gets no match practice all season. When he has had a run in the side he has looked like a very able keeper. He should be our No.1 next season. thepriceisnickywright
  • Score: 2

7:09am Tue 29 Apr 14

tiger bay says...

thepriceisnickywrigh
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tiger bay wrote:
For Jonathan Bond read Richard Lee, Scott Loach ....good shot stopper. ..no aerial dominance, poor distribution. ..lower league bench warmers at best..taxi for Chamberlain. .
Ridiculous comment. Bond is 21, a young keeper with plenty of potential. He has played very very well in a large percentage of the games he has played, and was MOM yesterday in a lot of people's opinions. If you are shooting down our young players like this without giving them a chance to develop you're hardly helping. What he needs is games. All season he has had to come off the bench and play the odd match here and there, which must be so tricky as a keeper considering he gets no match practice all season. When he has had a run in the side he has looked like a very able keeper. He should be our No.1 next season.
More chance of YOU being number 1 next seMatchn...the Pozzos weren't daft when they downgraded Harefield. ...Bond is another product to add to Hodson, Thompson, Jenkins, Mingoa, Witchelow, Henderson, Bonham etc...All lovely lads with decent lower level careers ahead of them. .Yes, he was my MoM too at Derby, but one match doesn't make a career. ..I expect (and hope) for a huge thumbs down from this websites armchair army but time will tell. .
[quote][p][bold]thepriceisnickywrigh t[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tiger bay[/bold] wrote: For Jonathan Bond read Richard Lee, Scott Loach ....good shot stopper. ..no aerial dominance, poor distribution. ..lower league bench warmers at best..taxi for Chamberlain. .[/p][/quote]Ridiculous comment. Bond is 21, a young keeper with plenty of potential. He has played very very well in a large percentage of the games he has played, and was MOM yesterday in a lot of people's opinions. If you are shooting down our young players like this without giving them a chance to develop you're hardly helping. What he needs is games. All season he has had to come off the bench and play the odd match here and there, which must be so tricky as a keeper considering he gets no match practice all season. When he has had a run in the side he has looked like a very able keeper. He should be our No.1 next season.[/p][/quote]More chance of YOU being number 1 next seMatchn...the Pozzos weren't daft when they downgraded Harefield. ...Bond is another product to add to Hodson, Thompson, Jenkins, Mingoa, Witchelow, Henderson, Bonham etc...All lovely lads with decent lower level careers ahead of them. .Yes, he was my MoM too at Derby, but one match doesn't make a career. ..I expect (and hope) for a huge thumbs down from this websites armchair army but time will tell. . tiger bay
  • Score: -1

8:49am Tue 29 Apr 14

thepriceisnickywright says...

I am a season ticket holder and have been for the last 10 years, and I go to a lot of away games every season. Last season Bond game in at a crucial part of the season for us and produced MoM performances at Burnley, Sheffield Wednesday, and crucially Hull. He is only 21, and has proven he can play big games. Yes he has made the odd error here and there, but as I have said before, when you come in to play the odd match here and there it is very difficult to play well as a goalkeeper. Can you not hold your judgement until you have seen him play a run of matches as number 1?
I am a season ticket holder and have been for the last 10 years, and I go to a lot of away games every season. Last season Bond game in at a crucial part of the season for us and produced MoM performances at Burnley, Sheffield Wednesday, and crucially Hull. He is only 21, and has proven he can play big games. Yes he has made the odd error here and there, but as I have said before, when you come in to play the odd match here and there it is very difficult to play well as a goalkeeper. Can you not hold your judgement until you have seen him play a run of matches as number 1? thepriceisnickywright
  • Score: 1

5:16pm Tue 29 Apr 14

PozzoHornet says...

Hairy Hornet wrote:
Ramageland wrote:
I like Beppe but it is very early in his reign to be apologising for a performance. I know all managers do it from time to time but, for me, it is never a good sign. There was a lack of discipline and organisation, and too much petulance. It would be really sad if Cassetti's last performance for the club (which it might be) was a sending off. Love the man - high up on my favourite 'Orns list - but not clever today!!
What exactly is it you have loved about Cassetti?? The way he blames everyone else for his mistakes? The guaranteed booking every game? The lack of sublety when he inevitably pulls the opposition player back after he has peeled away from him?

I am seriously questioning the sanity of any manager that would choose to play someone who was over the hill 2 years ago. He is a total liabililty. Fed up with saying it. Done for pace every time, petulant, rarely wins any aerial duels. My mates son who plays for the under 10s would run rings round him.

If he gets another playing contract kiss goodbye any chance of promotion next season.
One player doesn't ruin a season. Don't be so ridiculous.
[quote][p][bold]Hairy Hornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ramageland[/bold] wrote: I like Beppe but it is very early in his reign to be apologising for a performance. I know all managers do it from time to time but, for me, it is never a good sign. There was a lack of discipline and organisation, and too much petulance. It would be really sad if Cassetti's last performance for the club (which it might be) was a sending off. Love the man - high up on my favourite 'Orns list - but not clever today!![/p][/quote]What exactly is it you have loved about Cassetti?? The way he blames everyone else for his mistakes? The guaranteed booking every game? The lack of sublety when he inevitably pulls the opposition player back after he has peeled away from him? I am seriously questioning the sanity of any manager that would choose to play someone who was over the hill 2 years ago. He is a total liabililty. Fed up with saying it. Done for pace every time, petulant, rarely wins any aerial duels. My mates son who plays for the under 10s would run rings round him. If he gets another playing contract kiss goodbye any chance of promotion next season.[/p][/quote]One player doesn't ruin a season. Don't be so ridiculous. PozzoHornet
  • Score: 0

5:26pm Tue 29 Apr 14

PozzoHornet says...

watford1881 wrote:
Herd Bond is going on season long loan to Millwall next season and we are bringing in two well needed GK's.. If MA signs again we ar get one GK..... I really hope we can get Simone Scuffet on loan he would be brilliant for us....
Can't see it. He'll probs stay as Udinese's no. 1 and we might get Kelava or Pawlowski. Or we'll get some run down wreck of a GK from the Prem (ie Shay Given). Or we'll go back to the old days of bringing in a Prem side's academy graduate GK on loan. Not sure which I prefer. Probably the 1st option, but, then again Kuszczak and Foster were pretty good so...
[quote][p][bold]watford1881[/bold] wrote: Herd Bond is going on season long loan to Millwall next season and we are bringing in two well needed GK's.. If MA signs again we ar get one GK..... I really hope we can get Simone Scuffet on loan he would be brilliant for us....[/p][/quote]Can't see it. He'll probs stay as Udinese's no. 1 and we might get Kelava or Pawlowski. Or we'll get some run down wreck of a GK from the Prem (ie Shay Given). Or we'll go back to the old days of bringing in a Prem side's academy graduate GK on loan. Not sure which I prefer. Probably the 1st option, but, then again Kuszczak and Foster were pretty good so... PozzoHornet
  • Score: 0

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