Watford end season by crashing to Huddersfield Town home loss

Watford Observer: Abject Hornets capitulate in season finale Abject Hornets capitulate in season finale

Any hope that Watford would be able to lift themselves from their end-of-season slumber was emphatically ended by an atrocious performance devoid of passion and fight as Huddersfield Town cantered to a 4-1 victory at Vicarage Road.

Like their opponents, the Terriers came into the game with nothing to play for but after a goalless first half there was no doubt which side wanted to reward their fans more as the Hornets’ nine-game unbeaten run at Vicarage Road was torn to shreds.

The opening 45 minutes had a distinctly end-of-season feel to it for the most part, although Watford started brightly with debutant Alex Jakubiak going close twice in the opening stages while Cristian Battocchio also had a decent chance later on.

But the Hornets fell behind within 22 seconds of the restart as Huddersfield’s full debutant Joe Lolley was able to get away from Gabriele Angella and beat Jonathan Bond with an angled cross-shot.

The Hornets keeper could not be faulted for that goal but he was to blame in the 55th minute when he let a routine shot from Danny Ward squirm through his grasp.

That was bad enough but it was to get even worse ten minutes later as Ward made the most of some poor defending to make it 3-0 with the help of a post.

Watford Observer:

Bond’s disappointed afternoon was rounded off three minutes from time as he was beaten at his near post by a Ward free-kick as the substitute completed his hat-trick before Troy Deeney netted after a soft penalty had been awarded to score his 25th of the season.

Beppe Sannino made four changes to the team that finished a disappointing away season with a 3-1 defeat at Charlton Athletic on Tuesday night, with the most notable inclusion being a first-team debut for second-year scholar and Under-18’s top scorer Jakubiak.

Watford Observer:

Back came Angella, Marco Cassetti following his suspension and Daniel Pudil, with Essaid Belkalem, Lloyd Doyley and Davide Faraoni dropping to the bench while Albert Riera was banned and one of nine players who was unavailable. Manuel Almunia was fit enough to return for a place among the substitutes and there was a first appearance in the match-day 18 for another Academy youngster, Josh Doherty.

Watford Observer:

Huddersfield boss Mark Robins also made four changes to the line-up that suffered a 2-0 home reverse at the hands of champions Leicester City last time out.

In came Oliver Norwood, Lolley, Tom Smith and Joel Lynch as Calum Woods, Peter Clarke, Sean Scannell and Duane Holmes dropped to the bench.

Proceedings got underway with the presentation of the Watford Observer Player of the Season award and our former Sports Editor and long-serving Hornets correspondent Oliver Phillips was on hand to give the trophy to Troy Deeney after his memorable scoring campaign.

The visitors forced the first corner of the match in the opening seconds but it was the Hornets who created the first opening, with their debutant also making an instant name for himself.

Sean Murray switched the play to the left side of the pitch where Pudil slipped in Jakubiak and he fired a left-footed shot across the face of goal and not too far wide of the far post.

Watford Observer:

The Hornets were playing with a sense of urgency in the opening stages and they worked an even better opening three minutes later where the ball was worked out to Anya on the right and he put Jakubiak away between two defenders, only for the striker to be denied by the legs of keeper Alex Smithies.

Left-back Paul Dixon fired a speculative 25-yard effort over but the Terriers kept the pressure on, winning a corner after another long-range effort had been deflected behind which led to Adam Clayton hitting a low drive from the edge of the area that would have troubled Bond had it not been blocked.

Huddersfield created another chance in the 17th minute which saw a shot open up for Lolley, he tried to place a left-footed curler but got under his effort and put it over the top.

Watford Observer:

The visitors continued to have the better of it as Watford struggled to put together meaningful periods of possession, although the game was becoming increasingly scrappy as the midway period of the opening half approached.

Huddersfield suffered a blow on the half-an-hour mark when lone striker Nahki Wells’ season came to a premature end through injury and he was replaced by Ward.

The substitute threatened to lift the game out of its end-of-season slumber five minutes later when he combined with Lolley down the right but dragged a left-footed shot wide of Bond’s left-hand post.

Having offered very little in the attacking third since the opening minutes, the Hornets had a great chance to make the breakthrough in the 37th minute when a lovely ball around the corner from Deeney released Battocchio. But Dixon did just enough to hold the midfielder up and in the end he saw his effort from a tight angle on the right side of the area kept out by the legs of Smithies.

Watford Observer:

The Terriers responded with Adam Hammill shooting wide before the same player was fouled by Tommie Hoban, who picked up the first yellow card of the game and in doing so received Watford’s 100th caution of the season. The resultant free-kick was taken by Norwood 25 yards out towards the left angle of the penalty area but the well-positioned Bond was able to catch it.

A goalless first half ended with appeals for a penalty for the home side when a Daniel Tozser shot was blocked by the arm of Hornets old boy Jonathan Hogg but referee David Coote immediately waved them away.

Watford were out first for the second half but it appeared as if their minds were still in the dressing room as they fell behind within 22 seconds of the restart.

Watford Observer:

Lolley intercepted a pass on the right side of the penalty area and initially it looked like Angella would dispossess the full debutant, but he managed to wriggle free and fired across and beyond Bond and into the far corner to make it 1-0.

Sannino’s response was to take off Murray, who responded to being substituted by kicking the bench in frustration, and replace him with Samba Diakite in the 50th minute.

Five minutes later, Watford were two down after a horrible error by Bond.

Lolley turned provider this time as he found Ward on the right side of the area, the Hornets keeper would have expected to deal with a routine shot but he took his eye off the ball and it squirmed through his legs to make it 2-0.

Watford Observer:

Again Sannino responded with a change as Jakubiak was replaced by Faraoni, meaning Anya was again pushed up front alongside Deeney.

But it was the visitors who had their tails up at this stage and but for a good save from Bond, diving to his left to keep out a shot on the turn from Ward, the visitors would have been 3-0 up inside the opening 15 minutes of the second half.

But they did score a third in the 65th minute, Ward capitalising on some limp defensive efforts by the Hornets to beat Bond with a shot that went in off his left-hand post.

Watford Observer:

Lolley’s positive afternoon came to an end four minutes later when he was replaced by Sean Scannell before tempers threatened to boil over when Battocchio squared up to Hammill. Neither player was punished but from the resultant passage of play, Tom Smith was allowed to escape down the right before over-hitting a cross that had Bond worried before it flew narrowly wide of his far post.

Faraoni offered hope Watford might at least have a goal to show for their poor efforts when he made a useful run down the right side of the area but his low angled effort was saved by Smithies. Soon after, Deeney won a free-kick on the edge of the area but he blasted the resultant set piece into the wall.

Doherty came on for his debut in the 80th minute as a replacement for Battocchio but Watford’s nightmare end to the season could have been rounded off with another red card when Angella pushed an opponent in the throat following a flare-up. However, he escaped with a yellow card while Anthony Gerrard was also cautioned for his reaction before being replaced by Peter Clarke a short time after.

But the game was to end in quite ridiculous fashion, enabling Deeney to fire home a penalty and score his 25th of the season.

Watford Observer:

It all started as a result of a mix-up between two Huddersfield defenders that saw the ball bounce off one and into the other and ricochet over the bar. From the resultant corner, the ball was played back in and Cassetti thought he’d scored with a far-post header that rebounded down off the bar. However, the linesman didn’t flag for the goal and the referee didn’t seem to know what to do, bizarrely opting to restart play with a drop ball.

From that, Watford won another corner and when the ball was delivered this time, the referee pointed to the penalty spot for an apparent shirt pull on Deeney, who duly fired home from 12 yards to reach the landmark. But there was no sense of joy as the Hornets' season came to an end with a fourth successive defeat.

Watford: Bond; Hoban, Cassetti, Angella; Anya, Murray (Diakite 50), Tozser, Battocchio (Doherty 80), Pudil; Deeney, Jakubiak (Faraoni 58). Not used: Almunia, Belkalem, Doyley, O’Nien.

Huddersfield Town: Smithies; Smith, Gerrard (Clarke 84), Lynch, Dixon; Lolley (Scannell 69), Clayton, Hogg, Norwood, Hammill; Wells (Ward 30). Not used: Bennett, Woods, Gobern, Holmes.

Bookings: Hoban (42); Angella (83); Gerrard (83).

Referee: David Coote.

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2:34pm Sat 3 May 14

bishopofwatford says...

Abject,amateurish,ap
palling....not much more to be said....
Abject,amateurish,ap palling....not much more to be said.... bishopofwatford
  • Score: 44

2:40pm Sat 3 May 14

only5foot3 says...

Come home malky
Come home malky only5foot3
  • Score: 52

2:53pm Sat 3 May 14

Kenthorn says...

That god this miserable season is over! Now can we get rid of this idiot that's in charge and get someone that can speak English and knows how to work in the championship. 11 goals conceded in three games, 3 defeats on the trot and this man was brought in because he had a reputation of playing tight defensive football? Shocking! I will not be travelling these distances anymore to see this crap so, there must be a significant change in personnel, management and tactics before I set foot in the place again. It costs me around £100 a time to travel to Watford and watch the team, I want value for money! Not inept half hearted performances with lack of leadership! Get Dyche back!
That god this miserable season is over! Now can we get rid of this idiot that's in charge and get someone that can speak English and knows how to work in the championship. 11 goals conceded in three games, 3 defeats on the trot and this man was brought in because he had a reputation of playing tight defensive football? Shocking! I will not be travelling these distances anymore to see this crap so, there must be a significant change in personnel, management and tactics before I set foot in the place again. It costs me around £100 a time to travel to Watford and watch the team, I want value for money! Not inept half hearted performances with lack of leadership! Get Dyche back! Kenthorn
  • Score: 53

2:54pm Sat 3 May 14

Traceyhornet says...

Absolutely pathetic. Sannino out
Absolutely pathetic. Sannino out Traceyhornet
  • Score: 43

2:56pm Sat 3 May 14

Prpwfc says...

Kenthorn wrote:
That god this miserable season is over! Now can we get rid of this idiot that's in charge and get someone that can speak English and knows how to work in the championship. 11 goals conceded in three games, 3 defeats on the trot and this man was brought in because he had a reputation of playing tight defensive football? Shocking! I will not be travelling these distances anymore to see this crap so, there must be a significant change in personnel, management and tactics before I set foot in the place again. It costs me around £100 a time to travel to Watford and watch the team, I want value for money! Not inept half hearted performances with lack of leadership! Get Dyche back!
Such a Knob stay at home !!!
[quote][p][bold]Kenthorn[/bold] wrote: That god this miserable season is over! Now can we get rid of this idiot that's in charge and get someone that can speak English and knows how to work in the championship. 11 goals conceded in three games, 3 defeats on the trot and this man was brought in because he had a reputation of playing tight defensive football? Shocking! I will not be travelling these distances anymore to see this crap so, there must be a significant change in personnel, management and tactics before I set foot in the place again. It costs me around £100 a time to travel to Watford and watch the team, I want value for money! Not inept half hearted performances with lack of leadership! Get Dyche back![/p][/quote]Such a Knob stay at home !!! Prpwfc
  • Score: -62

2:57pm Sat 3 May 14

29April1975WasBottom says...

Absolute garbage. Total absolute garbage.
Absolute garbage. Total absolute garbage. 29April1975WasBottom
  • Score: 55

2:58pm Sat 3 May 14

lockerbiehornet says...

Kenthorn wrote:
That god this miserable season is over! Now can we get rid of this idiot that's in charge and get someone that can speak English and knows how to work in the championship. 11 goals conceded in three games, 3 defeats on the trot and this man was brought in because he had a reputation of playing tight defensive football? Shocking! I will not be travelling these distances anymore to see this crap so, there must be a significant change in personnel, management and tactics before I set foot in the place again. It costs me around £100 a time to travel to Watford and watch the team, I want value for money! Not inept half hearted performances with lack of leadership! Get Dyche back!
Totally agree, but it's 4 in a row now, It cost me £120 in flights today + £18 Parking at Glasgee Airport, £50 on car hire and fuel and £50 at the ground for that!! We were pathetic today and as the report says, it was clear who wanted to reward their fans the most today. CIAO BEPPE
[quote][p][bold]Kenthorn[/bold] wrote: That god this miserable season is over! Now can we get rid of this idiot that's in charge and get someone that can speak English and knows how to work in the championship. 11 goals conceded in three games, 3 defeats on the trot and this man was brought in because he had a reputation of playing tight defensive football? Shocking! I will not be travelling these distances anymore to see this crap so, there must be a significant change in personnel, management and tactics before I set foot in the place again. It costs me around £100 a time to travel to Watford and watch the team, I want value for money! Not inept half hearted performances with lack of leadership! Get Dyche back![/p][/quote]Totally agree, but it's 4 in a row now, It cost me £120 in flights today + £18 Parking at Glasgee Airport, £50 on car hire and fuel and £50 at the ground for that!! We were pathetic today and as the report says, it was clear who wanted to reward their fans the most today. CIAO BEPPE lockerbiehornet
  • Score: 54

2:58pm Sat 3 May 14

peter10531089 says...

It has seemed clear that since the play offs became unreachable that Beppe he's been unable to motivate the players. Today was truly abject but two North errors did make the result only look as bad as the performance itself truly was. The club is moving forward under the pozzo's and it will be interesting to see if they believe that Beppe should be given a go next season. Good to see Deeney get his 25th before what feels like an inevitable and deserved move
It has seemed clear that since the play offs became unreachable that Beppe he's been unable to motivate the players. Today was truly abject but two North errors did make the result only look as bad as the performance itself truly was. The club is moving forward under the pozzo's and it will be interesting to see if they believe that Beppe should be given a go next season. Good to see Deeney get his 25th before what feels like an inevitable and deserved move peter10531089
  • Score: 16

2:59pm Sat 3 May 14

Bobbyhowfield says...

If nothing else today demonstrated why we need two new keepers next season. Two terrible errors today from Bond.
12 months ago I thought he was going to be our No 1 keeper for many years to come bur since Man City away every part of his game has deteriorated.
This is the second young keeper that has gone down the pan in recent years, is this a coincidence or is Chamberlin the problem.
If nothing else today demonstrated why we need two new keepers next season. Two terrible errors today from Bond. 12 months ago I thought he was going to be our No 1 keeper for many years to come bur since Man City away every part of his game has deteriorated. This is the second young keeper that has gone down the pan in recent years, is this a coincidence or is Chamberlin the problem. Bobbyhowfield
  • Score: 34

3:00pm Sat 3 May 14

gloryhornet4 says...

All I want hear about is not how inept Watford were but what needs to be done to finish in the top 2 next season.

Too many Kabbaesque performances from too many players.
All I want hear about is not how inept Watford were but what needs to be done to finish in the top 2 next season. Too many Kabbaesque performances from too many players. gloryhornet4
  • Score: 27

3:24pm Sat 3 May 14

zurihornet says...

Nothing that's not been said before but the sooner we switch to four at the back the better. Dyche's comments on Sky at the end of the Forest away game were telling - to paraphrase, he basically said that the system can offer something going forward but when defending it can become messy having three central defenders and there are often spaces left for teams to exploit if the wingbacks have pushed forward. An observation I have made with our constant late draws/losses is that often the wingbacks and central defenders push back so deep that it leaves the midfield three very exposed/outnumbered and so the ball just keeps coming back - eventually resulting in a goal. I realise there's more to it that this, but it would be a start in the right direction come August. Having said all that, I still feel positive for next season and it is a huge compliment to the owners that we now more or less expect playoffs as a minimum - in over twenty years of supporting Watford I can't remember thinking like that very often!
Nothing that's not been said before but the sooner we switch to four at the back the better. Dyche's comments on Sky at the end of the Forest away game were telling - to paraphrase, he basically said that the system can offer something going forward but when defending it can become messy having three central defenders and there are often spaces left for teams to exploit if the wingbacks have pushed forward. An observation I have made with our constant late draws/losses is that often the wingbacks and central defenders push back so deep that it leaves the midfield three very exposed/outnumbered and so the ball just keeps coming back - eventually resulting in a goal. I realise there's more to it that this, but it would be a start in the right direction come August. Having said all that, I still feel positive for next season and it is a huge compliment to the owners that we now more or less expect playoffs as a minimum - in over twenty years of supporting Watford I can't remember thinking like that very often! zurihornet
  • Score: 35

3:38pm Sat 3 May 14

SJM...laugh at luton says...

Sack him now
Sack him now SJM...laugh at luton
  • Score: 19

3:42pm Sat 3 May 14

Hornet Cornet says...

Anyone want to disagree with my negative thoughts on those idiots that call themselves watford management and players? The Pozzo's are not untouchable. Sort out this crap.
Anyone want to disagree with my negative thoughts on those idiots that call themselves watford management and players? The Pozzo's are not untouchable. Sort out this crap. Hornet Cornet
  • Score: -13

3:43pm Sat 3 May 14

Roger Joslyn says...

gloryhornet4 wrote:
All I want hear about is not how inept Watford were but what needs to be done to finish in the top 2 next season.

Too many Kabbaesque performances from too many players.
Kabba played his heart out every game. He was just crap. If this bunch had done the same we would be looking at a playoff semi next week.
[quote][p][bold]gloryhornet4[/bold] wrote: All I want hear about is not how inept Watford were but what needs to be done to finish in the top 2 next season. Too many Kabbaesque performances from too many players.[/p][/quote]Kabba played his heart out every game. He was just crap. If this bunch had done the same we would be looking at a playoff semi next week. Roger Joslyn
  • Score: 19

3:43pm Sat 3 May 14

Frelons says...

It looked like a poor appointment at the time and so it has proved to be, albeit with a few glimmers of hope along the way. We have gone backwards at an alarming rate. If we don't act quickly then next season will be another season of changes and transition.

I have been following the Hornets since the 70's and a season ticket for most of that time. Today is the first time ever that I haven't waited for the player's lap of honour/thanks (shame) after the final home game of the season.
It looked like a poor appointment at the time and so it has proved to be, albeit with a few glimmers of hope along the way. We have gone backwards at an alarming rate. If we don't act quickly then next season will be another season of changes and transition. I have been following the Hornets since the 70's and a season ticket for most of that time. Today is the first time ever that I haven't waited for the player's lap of honour/thanks (shame) after the final home game of the season. Frelons
  • Score: 44

3:47pm Sat 3 May 14

silver1977 says...

at lease hollowhead gets his team up for it more than this bloke does
at lease hollowhead gets his team up for it more than this bloke does silver1977
  • Score: 12

3:52pm Sat 3 May 14

VOReason says...

Beppe cheerio .... Beppe cheeriooooo
Beppe cheerio .... Beppe cheeriooooo VOReason
  • Score: 16

3:54pm Sat 3 May 14

JHEAFFEY1 says...

Complete overhaul needed this summer sadly. Optimistic the pozzos want to get it right though so I have faith. If they get some advice from someone who knows the league that could make thing a a whole lot quicker or this could continue to happen year after year without a serious tactical change.
Complete overhaul needed this summer sadly. Optimistic the pozzos want to get it right though so I have faith. If they get some advice from someone who knows the league that could make thing a a whole lot quicker or this could continue to happen year after year without a serious tactical change. JHEAFFEY1
  • Score: 19

3:55pm Sat 3 May 14

stiffler99 says...

Unfortunately we were expecting a bit too much following last year's performance. The league table does not lie but what is disappointing is that on the field we are not showing any promise whatsoever. The discipline is shocking. - Angella was lucky not to be sent off and three were booked in what was not a dirty game. Goalkeepers need to be found. The defence which Beppe was supposed to have shored up need a proper defensive coach and I agree now that there has to be our at the back. Midfield is too lightweight and passing is abysmal and up front even if Deeney were to stay we need some good cover as we have been very lucky that he has not had injury absences.

Biggest concern is that we will ship a whole load of players in who have no experience of playing English football and half of them will fall by the wayside like this season.

Plus points are financial position,new stand etc..

Looking forward to next season whatever!
Unfortunately we were expecting a bit too much following last year's performance. The league table does not lie but what is disappointing is that on the field we are not showing any promise whatsoever. The discipline is shocking. - Angella was lucky not to be sent off and three were booked in what was not a dirty game. Goalkeepers need to be found. The defence which Beppe was supposed to have shored up need a proper defensive coach and I agree now that there has to be our at the back. Midfield is too lightweight and passing is abysmal and up front even if Deeney were to stay we need some good cover as we have been very lucky that he has not had injury absences. Biggest concern is that we will ship a whole load of players in who have no experience of playing English football and half of them will fall by the wayside like this season. Plus points are financial position,new stand etc.. Looking forward to next season whatever! stiffler99
  • Score: 25

3:57pm Sat 3 May 14

Feff says...

Sure Sannino must go but so must Nani. The players are simply not good enough, and it is Nani who chooses them. As for Sannino, all I can do is compare him to Zola. At least under Zola we played attractive football albeit it was unsuccessful this season. Sannino has given us nothing!
Sure Sannino must go but so must Nani. The players are simply not good enough, and it is Nani who chooses them. As for Sannino, all I can do is compare him to Zola. At least under Zola we played attractive football albeit it was unsuccessful this season. Sannino has given us nothing! Feff
  • Score: 29

3:59pm Sat 3 May 14

Hornets number 12 fan says...

Bye Bye Beppe!
Bye Bye Beppe! Hornets number 12 fan
  • Score: 16

3:59pm Sat 3 May 14

SMP says...

What disappointment, a season that promised so much and yet in the end has left me feeling what could have been if only! As has been stated numerous times on these forums, WFC stand in a much better place under the new regime than we had done previously with Bassini at the helm and huge thanks of gratitude should be given to the Pozzo family .. without them, I dread to think where we would have been.

Sannino may well have tightened up defensively, well at least until the last three games, but is naïve to think that by playing deep and defending our position, will work each and every game. Deep play invites pressure, pressure creates opportunities, opportunities equate generally to scoring. If he stays, and I'm not sure he will be given the opportunity to (?) he needs to accept that the English Leagues are totally different to the Italian ones and address his tactics.

Today's performance was nothing short of appalling .. as the report indicates, an 'end of season nothing to play for game' .. it happens, but for the selected squad, with the exception of two or three players, I saw a group of individuals who game the impression that they couldn't 'give a ***t', no effort, desire or passion and body language clear for all to see! Players should be proud to wear the yellow shirt and want to perform to the best of their ability, regardless of the 'status of the fixture' and reward those fans who have put their hands in their pockets week in, week out whether they pay match by match or buy a season ticket, by giving something back .. Huddersfield second half did exactly that, rewarding their travelling fans with not only effort but the desire to win the game. Those individuals who will be at Vicarage Road next season, PLEASE think on!
What disappointment, a season that promised so much and yet in the end has left me feeling what could have been if only! As has been stated numerous times on these forums, WFC stand in a much better place under the new regime than we had done previously with Bassini at the helm and huge thanks of gratitude should be given to the Pozzo family .. without them, I dread to think where we would have been. Sannino may well have tightened up defensively, well at least until the last three games, but is naïve to think that by playing deep and defending our position, will work each and every game. Deep play invites pressure, pressure creates opportunities, opportunities equate generally to scoring. If he stays, and I'm not sure he will be given the opportunity to (?) he needs to accept that the English Leagues are totally different to the Italian ones and address his tactics. Today's performance was nothing short of appalling .. as the report indicates, an 'end of season nothing to play for game' .. it happens, but for the selected squad, with the exception of two or three players, I saw a group of individuals who game the impression that they couldn't 'give a ***t', no effort, desire or passion and body language clear for all to see! Players should be proud to wear the yellow shirt and want to perform to the best of their ability, regardless of the 'status of the fixture' and reward those fans who have put their hands in their pockets week in, week out whether they pay match by match or buy a season ticket, by giving something back .. Huddersfield second half did exactly that, rewarding their travelling fans with not only effort but the desire to win the game. Those individuals who will be at Vicarage Road next season, PLEASE think on! SMP
  • Score: 38

4:10pm Sat 3 May 14

Hornankey says...

The final nail in Beppe's coffin today. It was not just an "end of term" performance but the most lisless, disinterested and unfit (yes, unfit) collection of players I have seen represent the club. Second to the ball every time, weak in the tackle, careless distribution. It does not need another apology, it needs action.
The final nail in Beppe's coffin today. It was not just an "end of term" performance but the most lisless, disinterested and unfit (yes, unfit) collection of players I have seen represent the club. Second to the ball every time, weak in the tackle, careless distribution. It does not need another apology, it needs action. Hornankey
  • Score: 33

4:19pm Sat 3 May 14

Man from Pinner says...

Totally disappointing.
Nice that TD scored on what seems to be his final game at Watford.
Other players simply had no interest; Toszer in particular played well below expectations plus a silly booking. Does he really want to be at Watford next season? We need players who want to wear the shirt.
I have never seen such a subdued so called lap of honour.
Roll on next season but let's hope the players have a decent pre season.
Totally disappointing. Nice that TD scored on what seems to be his final game at Watford. Other players simply had no interest; Toszer in particular played well below expectations plus a silly booking. Does he really want to be at Watford next season? We need players who want to wear the shirt. I have never seen such a subdued so called lap of honour. Roll on next season but let's hope the players have a decent pre season. Man from Pinner
  • Score: 14

4:26pm Sat 3 May 14

WessexLad says...

I wonder how much the gulf between our first half and second half performance is due to the language barrier: opposing managers can make their point at half time; Sannino can't.

For whatever reason, the players are not playing to their potential. Too many hospital passes, when other players had found space. Then, if not caught in possession, the only option was to hit the ball upfield and hope.
I wonder how much the gulf between our first half and second half performance is due to the language barrier: opposing managers can make their point at half time; Sannino can't. For whatever reason, the players are not playing to their potential. Too many hospital passes, when other players had found space. Then, if not caught in possession, the only option was to hit the ball upfield and hope. WessexLad
  • Score: 10

4:35pm Sat 3 May 14

endean2 says...

just got home
did not stay for the wave to the players!

do you know on a positive front--- possibly the owners finally realise that this team is a very very poor one and it will require a good deal of money, effort and thought before we can launch a promo challenge.
The reality is that we need to bring a proper manager not another stop gap,
the Pozzos have been good for this club of the field but these last few games
must finally make it clear that ITS MAJOR SURGERY FOR NEXT SEASON
---if not we will be relegated on this current form.
just got home did not stay for the wave to the players! do you know on a positive front--- possibly the owners finally realise that this team is a very very poor one and it will require a good deal of money, effort and thought before we can launch a promo challenge. The reality is that we need to bring a proper manager not another stop gap, the Pozzos have been good for this club of the field but these last few games must finally make it clear that ITS MAJOR SURGERY FOR NEXT SEASON ---if not we will be relegated on this current form. endean2
  • Score: 17

4:44pm Sat 3 May 14

watford4ever says...

That was such a terrible performance today
Biggest issues-

After all the words from the manager about the fans deserving a performance, he has failed to motivate the players, has he lost the dressing room?
Why are we the only team in the Championship which has two Goalkeepers, both great shot stoppers but both make awful mistakes!
MOM was Harry the Hornet, more entertainment from him than the team!

On the positives, thank you to whoever organised the banner thanking the Pozzo's, we owe them for rescuing our club and continuing to invest. Lots of ups and downs since they took over but apart from today has been entertaining!.
That was such a terrible performance today Biggest issues- After all the words from the manager about the fans deserving a performance, he has failed to motivate the players, has he lost the dressing room? Why are we the only team in the Championship which has two Goalkeepers, both great shot stoppers but both make awful mistakes! MOM was Harry the Hornet, more entertainment from him than the team! On the positives, thank you to whoever organised the banner thanking the Pozzo's, we owe them for rescuing our club and continuing to invest. Lots of ups and downs since they took over but apart from today has been entertaining!. watford4ever
  • Score: 36

4:51pm Sat 3 May 14

andyhooked says...

What a gutless, spiritless display. No wonder Zola jumped the ship there seems to be no team ethic there and Zola and now Sannino have found out how the players have let us down. Sannino stabilised the ship but is clearly not up to the job. Neither are his coaching colleagues and Nani's judgement for bringing in rubbish means that he should also go. Why should Troy wish to stay with us. He will commond a big fee now and we would be less than useless without Troy. Sannino and Nani must go quickly otherwise we will not have the chance of getting a new manager and a squad with spirit before next season. Should Sannino get a reprieve then if things go rotten do we get another unemployed Italian to take over before Xmas?
What a gutless, spiritless display. No wonder Zola jumped the ship there seems to be no team ethic there and Zola and now Sannino have found out how the players have let us down. Sannino stabilised the ship but is clearly not up to the job. Neither are his coaching colleagues and Nani's judgement for bringing in rubbish means that he should also go. Why should Troy wish to stay with us. He will commond a big fee now and we would be less than useless without Troy. Sannino and Nani must go quickly otherwise we will not have the chance of getting a new manager and a squad with spirit before next season. Should Sannino get a reprieve then if things go rotten do we get another unemployed Italian to take over before Xmas? andyhooked
  • Score: 10

4:52pm Sat 3 May 14

culpepper says...

Pretty hard to sum up that last 45 minutes of the season. I have seen some awful games over the years but that was one of the first halves of football we have seen for a long time.

We started well enough and I thought we would be in for a nice end of season, after all, at least our home form has been good this since January. Our best bit of football saw Jakubiak thwarted by their keeper early on. After that we barely got the ball and our midfield never got a kick. When Tozser did in the first half he had to revert to a hopeful long ball up front which was never going to work. I was impressed by Huddersfield in the first half and they made some good openings however I wasn't expecting the second half we had. Bad defending right from kick off gave them the chance and I think less said about the second goal the better. The third was a lovely strike again from a mistake and the fourth was poor and bond was nowhere near it which is worrying.

However what was even stranger was the apparent attitude in the second half. Tozser, who most of us want to stay possibly as our captain next season, went off sulking at one nil and looked uninterested from that point, that really did concern me. Is there a reason why this ex champions league player can't get in to the Genoa side? His attitude was disgraceful which pains me to say as I think he is a gifted footballer.
Even stranger was Angela's attitude, maybe it could be said he was trying too hard but he clearly pushed the player in the face right in front of the ref. it was a straight red but I fear the ref, in the last game of the season, couldn't be bothered to file his report, he got away with one.

So then the players trudged off past Beppe who was seething, and looked like a beaten man as he clapped the fans after the players finally came out. I do feel a bit for him, I think we need to be looking at players attitudes in equal measure with any tactics the coach has. It seems they have cost the job of two coaches in a season, that's not an impressive fact.

I can't see anything other than another major overhaul now as no doubt there will have to be a great deal of moving on and in.

I don't quite know what we have learned this season but looking at the new community stand today I did feel better to know we are in the hands of proper football people who have a record of longevity and success, we will just have to be patient this summer.

So maybe a third of supporters stayed at the end and it was a suitably humble walk around the pitch. I stayed really to thank some of the faces we will probably never see again playing in yellow. Most of alI I felt a bit sorry for Marco today as that was no way to end his career, he didn't even have a bad game. We need players who will run through walls for this football club and Pudil is one of these but the question is who else has the fight to do it all again for us next season?
Pretty hard to sum up that last 45 minutes of the season. I have seen some awful games over the years but that was one of the first halves of football we have seen for a long time. We started well enough and I thought we would be in for a nice end of season, after all, at least our home form has been good this since January. Our best bit of football saw Jakubiak thwarted by their keeper early on. After that we barely got the ball and our midfield never got a kick. When Tozser did in the first half he had to revert to a hopeful long ball up front which was never going to work. I was impressed by Huddersfield in the first half and they made some good openings however I wasn't expecting the second half we had. Bad defending right from kick off gave them the chance and I think less said about the second goal the better. The third was a lovely strike again from a mistake and the fourth was poor and bond was nowhere near it which is worrying. However what was even stranger was the apparent attitude in the second half. Tozser, who most of us want to stay possibly as our captain next season, went off sulking at one nil and looked uninterested from that point, that really did concern me. Is there a reason why this ex champions league player can't get in to the Genoa side? His attitude was disgraceful which pains me to say as I think he is a gifted footballer. Even stranger was Angela's attitude, maybe it could be said he was trying too hard but he clearly pushed the player in the face right in front of the ref. it was a straight red but I fear the ref, in the last game of the season, couldn't be bothered to file his report, he got away with one. So then the players trudged off past Beppe who was seething, and looked like a beaten man as he clapped the fans after the players finally came out. I do feel a bit for him, I think we need to be looking at players attitudes in equal measure with any tactics the coach has. It seems they have cost the job of two coaches in a season, that's not an impressive fact. I can't see anything other than another major overhaul now as no doubt there will have to be a great deal of moving on and in. I don't quite know what we have learned this season but looking at the new community stand today I did feel better to know we are in the hands of proper football people who have a record of longevity and success, we will just have to be patient this summer. So maybe a third of supporters stayed at the end and it was a suitably humble walk around the pitch. I stayed really to thank some of the faces we will probably never see again playing in yellow. Most of alI I felt a bit sorry for Marco today as that was no way to end his career, he didn't even have a bad game. We need players who will run through walls for this football club and Pudil is one of these but the question is who else has the fight to do it all again for us next season? culpepper
  • Score: 25

4:53pm Sat 3 May 14

andyhooked says...

I meant to add that Bond is not up to it and Manu is passed it. We need to buy a much better goalie as well as finding more scoring forward options.
I meant to add that Bond is not up to it and Manu is passed it. We need to buy a much better goalie as well as finding more scoring forward options. andyhooked
  • Score: 14

4:56pm Sat 3 May 14

The_Hornet says...

Earlier on in the week on Tuesday night, after the Charlton game, I was pretty appalled by most of the comments here - blaming Sannino and asking for him to be sacked, etc. etc. But after going to the match today.. I can only feel the same way. Yeah I know we had very little to fight for in our last three/four games whereas the other teams did... but the very fact that Sannino said he wanted to get "a strong finish", before losing our last 4 games, of which the last 3 we lost heavily (we have conceded an average of 3.33 goals per game in our last three games), only begs the question on whether or Sannino is really up to the job. He may well talk the talk but he can't walk the walk.. however cliché that may be. I hope that, come the next season, we'll have a new manager, new stand, finish south-west corner, a few new players in, and a few out (hopefully Deeney stays). I'm just hoping we don't bring in any loan players from Udinese or Granada that really don't turn out to be much (Iriney, Fabbrini, etc) and actually buy a top quality player from the premiership, perhaps.
Earlier on in the week on Tuesday night, after the Charlton game, I was pretty appalled by most of the comments here - blaming Sannino and asking for him to be sacked, etc. etc. But after going to the match today.. I can only feel the same way. Yeah I know we had very little to fight for in our last three/four games whereas the other teams did... but the very fact that Sannino said he wanted to get "a strong finish", before losing our last 4 games, of which the last 3 we lost heavily (we have conceded an average of 3.33 goals per game in our last three games), only begs the question on whether or Sannino is really up to the job. He may well talk the talk but he can't walk the walk.. however cliché that may be. I hope that, come the next season, we'll have a new manager, new stand, finish south-west corner, a few new players in, and a few out (hopefully Deeney stays). I'm just hoping we don't bring in any loan players from Udinese or Granada that really don't turn out to be much (Iriney, Fabbrini, etc) and actually buy a top quality player from the premiership, perhaps. The_Hornet
  • Score: 13

5:23pm Sat 3 May 14

mkhornet says...

An abject performance, first time that I've not stayed for the lap of honour but just couldn't face it, I'd have felt a hypocrite cheering them round after that performance and the one's at Charlton and Derby. Absolute disgrace. Deeney was one of the few giving everything I really hope he stays but I couldn't blame him if he felt totally hacked off with some of his team mates and decides to go. I've always been a big supporter of Beppe but now I'm not so sure. Most effort today was Deeney and Forestieri walking around the pitch (god we've missed him).
An abject performance, first time that I've not stayed for the lap of honour but just couldn't face it, I'd have felt a hypocrite cheering them round after that performance and the one's at Charlton and Derby. Absolute disgrace. Deeney was one of the few giving everything I really hope he stays but I couldn't blame him if he felt totally hacked off with some of his team mates and decides to go. I've always been a big supporter of Beppe but now I'm not so sure. Most effort today was Deeney and Forestieri walking around the pitch (god we've missed him). mkhornet
  • Score: 14

5:33pm Sat 3 May 14

WOReader says...

I am starting to wonder whether the people in charge at Watford really understand football. The sacking of Sean Dyche made me wonder but the season that we have just has almost convinced me. Anyway, I hope that Sean does well in the Premiership and also Deeney when he eventually joins them.
I am starting to wonder whether the people in charge at Watford really understand football. The sacking of Sean Dyche made me wonder but the season that we have just has almost convinced me. Anyway, I hope that Sean does well in the Premiership and also Deeney when he eventually joins them. WOReader
  • Score: 3

5:43pm Sat 3 May 14

Cuetip says...

WessexLad wrote:
I wonder how much the gulf between our first half and second half performance is due to the language barrier: opposing managers can make their point at half time; Sannino can't.

For whatever reason, the players are not playing to their potential. Too many hospital passes, when other players had found space. Then, if not caught in possession, the only option was to hit the ball upfield and hope.
The one positive is that Deeney got his goal but hit and hope is a give away and maybe it might be about having a limited knowledge of English .
[quote][p][bold]WessexLad[/bold] wrote: I wonder how much the gulf between our first half and second half performance is due to the language barrier: opposing managers can make their point at half time; Sannino can't. For whatever reason, the players are not playing to their potential. Too many hospital passes, when other players had found space. Then, if not caught in possession, the only option was to hit the ball upfield and hope.[/p][/quote]The one positive is that Deeney got his goal but hit and hope is a give away and maybe it might be about having a limited knowledge of English . Cuetip
  • Score: 3

5:48pm Sat 3 May 14

VOReason says...

The_Hornet wrote:
Earlier on in the week on Tuesday night, after the Charlton game, I was pretty appalled by most of the comments here - blaming Sannino and asking for him to be sacked, etc. etc. But after going to the match today.. I can only feel the same way. Yeah I know we had very little to fight for in our last three/four games whereas the other teams did... but the very fact that Sannino said he wanted to get "a strong finish", before losing our last 4 games, of which the last 3 we lost heavily (we have conceded an average of 3.33 goals per game in our last three games), only begs the question on whether or Sannino is really up to the job. He may well talk the talk but he can't walk the walk.. however cliché that may be. I hope that, come the next season, we'll have a new manager, new stand, finish south-west corner, a few new players in, and a few out (hopefully Deeney stays). I'm just hoping we don't bring in any loan players from Udinese or Granada that really don't turn out to be much (Iriney, Fabbrini, etc) and actually buy a top quality player from the premiership, perhaps.
Hit rate from udinese/Granada loans/ signings is still ok:

Vydra, forestieri, abdi battochio pudil anya ekstrand (last year) Angela, rannegie have all done ok

Yes fabbrini geijo neuton beleck Merkel faraoni ireney have flopped

We need more English know how, more will to win

Whether it's an English manager, and English captain ... I don't know ...

But at least a slight change to recruitment and attitude is a minimum requirement
[quote][p][bold]The_Hornet[/bold] wrote: Earlier on in the week on Tuesday night, after the Charlton game, I was pretty appalled by most of the comments here - blaming Sannino and asking for him to be sacked, etc. etc. But after going to the match today.. I can only feel the same way. Yeah I know we had very little to fight for in our last three/four games whereas the other teams did... but the very fact that Sannino said he wanted to get "a strong finish", before losing our last 4 games, of which the last 3 we lost heavily (we have conceded an average of 3.33 goals per game in our last three games), only begs the question on whether or Sannino is really up to the job. He may well talk the talk but he can't walk the walk.. however cliché that may be. I hope that, come the next season, we'll have a new manager, new stand, finish south-west corner, a few new players in, and a few out (hopefully Deeney stays). I'm just hoping we don't bring in any loan players from Udinese or Granada that really don't turn out to be much (Iriney, Fabbrini, etc) and actually buy a top quality player from the premiership, perhaps.[/p][/quote]Hit rate from udinese/Granada loans/ signings is still ok: Vydra, forestieri, abdi battochio pudil anya ekstrand (last year) Angela, rannegie have all done ok Yes fabbrini geijo neuton beleck Merkel faraoni ireney have flopped We need more English know how, more will to win Whether it's an English manager, and English captain ... I don't know ... But at least a slight change to recruitment and attitude is a minimum requirement VOReason
  • Score: 9

5:55pm Sat 3 May 14

croxley46 says...

I've been a supporter for 60 years and, although my memory's not as good as it used to be, today's "performance" was one of, if not the worst, I've ever seen. Terrible goalkeeping and Huddersfield just walked through our useless midfield and defence,. Weak or non-existent tackling, always second to the ball, slipshod passing, often resorting to the old hoof-ball , not marking at throw-ins. No wonder our yellow/red cards have been the division's highest - we're too slow in the tackle, lack pace when they go past us and pull them back, and have no discipline.
Angella should have seen red and Tozser was terrible (unusual), The debutant striker after a bright start faded completely, Murray and Battoccio weren't in it, Anya was poor too. Pudil, as usual , tried hard but only Deeney deserves any credit from that game - I'm sure he will be in a Premiership side next season, unfortunately for us.
A massive clear-out is required, only problem is that if Nani is still involved we'll probably get worse replacements than we've got now. I'm afraid it's " arriverderci " to Sannino AND Nani and let's have a British manager and coaches please Signors Pozzo.
Now, where are my pipe and slippers ....
P.S. Good to see Heidar Helguson on the pitch at half-time.
I've been a supporter for 60 years and, although my memory's not as good as it used to be, today's "performance" was one of, if not the worst, I've ever seen. Terrible goalkeeping and Huddersfield just walked through our useless midfield and defence,. Weak or non-existent tackling, always second to the ball, slipshod passing, often resorting to the old hoof-ball , not marking at throw-ins. No wonder our yellow/red cards have been the division's highest - we're too slow in the tackle, lack pace when they go past us and pull them back, and have no discipline. Angella should have seen red and Tozser was terrible (unusual), The debutant striker after a bright start faded completely, Murray and Battoccio weren't in it, Anya was poor too. Pudil, as usual , tried hard but only Deeney deserves any credit from that game - I'm sure he will be in a Premiership side next season, unfortunately for us. A massive clear-out is required, only problem is that if Nani is still involved we'll probably get worse replacements than we've got now. I'm afraid it's " arriverderci " to Sannino AND Nani and let's have a British manager and coaches please Signors Pozzo. Now, where are my pipe and slippers .... P.S. Good to see Heidar Helguson on the pitch at half-time. croxley46
  • Score: 28

5:56pm Sat 3 May 14

mellow yellow says...

It says much when Diakite looks like the best player on the pitch! Bye bye Deeney, Marco and almunia. You didn't deserve it to end this way but ifnot blame the vast majority who couldn't stay. Most things about today were halfhearted and have left me bleak and demoralised. Major changes required, and I'm sure the Pozzos will act.

I expect us to be very, very long odds for promotion next year but, being a deluded optimist, will no doubt chuck some money on us.

The wobby's use of 'abject' really sums it up.

Forever yellow.
It says much when Diakite looks like the best player on the pitch! Bye bye Deeney, Marco and almunia. You didn't deserve it to end this way but ifnot blame the vast majority who couldn't stay. Most things about today were halfhearted and have left me bleak and demoralised. Major changes required, and I'm sure the Pozzos will act. I expect us to be very, very long odds for promotion next year but, being a deluded optimist, will no doubt chuck some money on us. The wobby's use of 'abject' really sums it up. Forever yellow. mellow yellow
  • Score: 13

5:59pm Sat 3 May 14

D.unstable says...

Now I've called down would jut like to reiterate what I've been saying now for weeks, firstly Sannino is out of his depth, biggest achievement is we didn't get relegated. He will never take up and not being able o raise the players today after 3 previous back to back losses sums it up. Worst display of the season and no wonder only a thousand or so bothered to sy behind for the annual walk round the pitch t the end.

Secondly will people please stop going on about Bond being number one next season. Today again demonstrated he is not ready and needs a season long loan in League One to demonstrate if he is capable or not.

I certainly don't want to watch a season of him being beaten at his near pst and making schoolboy errors under the guise of him finding his feet.

I hope the Pozzo's already have pans for a new coach, keeper, CB, Vydra's return as well as spending the Deeney fee wisely.

Bring on the World Cup, Im a seasoned pro at handling disappointment and always enjoy watching the Bazilians strut their stuff.
Now I've called down would jut like to reiterate what I've been saying now for weeks, firstly Sannino is out of his depth, biggest achievement is we didn't get relegated. He will never take up and not being able o raise the players today after 3 previous back to back losses sums it up. Worst display of the season and no wonder only a thousand or so bothered to sy behind for the annual walk round the pitch t the end. Secondly will people please stop going on about Bond being number one next season. Today again demonstrated he is not ready and needs a season long loan in League One to demonstrate if he is capable or not. I certainly don't want to watch a season of him being beaten at his near pst and making schoolboy errors under the guise of him finding his feet. I hope the Pozzo's already have pans for a new coach, keeper, CB, Vydra's return as well as spending the Deeney fee wisely. Bring on the World Cup, Im a seasoned pro at handling disappointment and always enjoy watching the Bazilians strut their stuff. D.unstable
  • Score: 9

6:00pm Sat 3 May 14

mellow yellow says...

mellow yellow wrote:
It says much when Diakite looks like the best player on the pitch! Bye bye Deeney, Marco and almunia. You didn't deserve it to end this way but ifnot blame the vast majority who couldn't stay. Most things about today were halfhearted and have left me bleak and demoralised. Major changes required, and I'm sure the Pozzos will act.

I expect us to be very, very long odds for promotion next year but, being a deluded optimist, will no doubt chuck some money on us.

The wobby's use of 'abject' really sums it up.

Forever yellow.
That should read 'I don't blame' not 'if not blame'
[quote][p][bold]mellow yellow[/bold] wrote: It says much when Diakite looks like the best player on the pitch! Bye bye Deeney, Marco and almunia. You didn't deserve it to end this way but ifnot blame the vast majority who couldn't stay. Most things about today were halfhearted and have left me bleak and demoralised. Major changes required, and I'm sure the Pozzos will act. I expect us to be very, very long odds for promotion next year but, being a deluded optimist, will no doubt chuck some money on us. The wobby's use of 'abject' really sums it up. Forever yellow.[/p][/quote]That should read 'I don't blame' not 'if not blame' mellow yellow
  • Score: 2

6:11pm Sat 3 May 14

mickallen57 says...

Angella ; Abdi ; Anya ; Toszer ; Battochio and Pudil all bought in under the current regime all reasons to be hopefull . Sure we have had some duds but bye and large we have done well. I remember a time when we thought it was wonderful if we signed more than two players . May be we need a change of manager one used to this championship , but despite going out on a three match low ,I still believe we are in a better place than the pre Pozzo era . COYH.
Angella ; Abdi ; Anya ; Toszer ; Battochio and Pudil all bought in under the current regime all reasons to be hopefull . Sure we have had some duds but bye and large we have done well. I remember a time when we thought it was wonderful if we signed more than two players . May be we need a change of manager one used to this championship , but despite going out on a three match low ,I still believe we are in a better place than the pre Pozzo era . COYH. mickallen57
  • Score: 12

6:12pm Sat 3 May 14

Andrew1963 says...

peter10531089 wrote:
It has seemed clear that since the play offs became unreachable that Beppe he's been unable to motivate the players. Today was truly abject but two North errors did make the result only look as bad as the performance itself truly was. The club is moving forward under the pozzo's and it will be interesting to see if they believe that Beppe should be given a go next season. Good to see Deeney get his 25th before what feels like an inevitable and deserved move
If your boss said you and your colleagues in a work team, needed a different attitude and a different DNA, you probably would guess that he would be reporting to the directors that the employees needed a re-organisation with sackings and new people coming in, it might undermine your confidence, make you anxious about what changes were going to affect you and your family. This May impact your performance at work. You have even reduce your performance to throw doubt on your bosses ability. Remember Burnley were promoted with basically the same team that finished 17 last year with the same manager and coaches.
[quote][p][bold]peter10531089[/bold] wrote: It has seemed clear that since the play offs became unreachable that Beppe he's been unable to motivate the players. Today was truly abject but two North errors did make the result only look as bad as the performance itself truly was. The club is moving forward under the pozzo's and it will be interesting to see if they believe that Beppe should be given a go next season. Good to see Deeney get his 25th before what feels like an inevitable and deserved move[/p][/quote]If your boss said you and your colleagues in a work team, needed a different attitude and a different DNA, you probably would guess that he would be reporting to the directors that the employees needed a re-organisation with sackings and new people coming in, it might undermine your confidence, make you anxious about what changes were going to affect you and your family. This May impact your performance at work. You have even reduce your performance to throw doubt on your bosses ability. Remember Burnley were promoted with basically the same team that finished 17 last year with the same manager and coaches. Andrew1963
  • Score: 6

6:14pm Sat 3 May 14

steveinmk says...

This squad should be more than good enough to hold its own at this level - we have the players, it's just that the whole has been so much less than the sum of the parts on too many occasions. Sean Dyche was superb at getting the best from a group of players with limited skills and he's clearly gone on to instil a similar team spirit at Burnley - if we'd had anything like that level of organisation and togetherness this season we'd have made it into the playoffs. Today was dire, but clearing out the squad isn't the answer. Have to agree that Harry the Hornet was excellent though.
This squad should be more than good enough to hold its own at this level - we have the players, it's just that the whole has been so much less than the sum of the parts on too many occasions. Sean Dyche was superb at getting the best from a group of players with limited skills and he's clearly gone on to instil a similar team spirit at Burnley - if we'd had anything like that level of organisation and togetherness this season we'd have made it into the playoffs. Today was dire, but clearing out the squad isn't the answer. Have to agree that Harry the Hornet was excellent though. steveinmk
  • Score: 14

6:31pm Sat 3 May 14

SMP says...

mickallen57 wrote:
Angella ; Abdi ; Anya ; Toszer ; Battochio and Pudil all bought in under the current regime all reasons to be hopefull . Sure we have had some duds but bye and large we have done well. I remember a time when we thought it was wonderful if we signed more than two players . May be we need a change of manager one used to this championship , but despite going out on a three match low ,I still believe we are in a better place than the pre Pozzo era . COYH.
Unfortunately it's four on the bounce, today, away v Charlton, Derby and QPR .. thank god the points were already on the board, or it could have been squeaky *** time!
[quote][p][bold]mickallen57[/bold] wrote: Angella ; Abdi ; Anya ; Toszer ; Battochio and Pudil all bought in under the current regime all reasons to be hopefull . Sure we have had some duds but bye and large we have done well. I remember a time when we thought it was wonderful if we signed more than two players . May be we need a change of manager one used to this championship , but despite going out on a three match low ,I still believe we are in a better place than the pre Pozzo era . COYH.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately it's four on the bounce, today, away v Charlton, Derby and QPR .. thank god the points were already on the board, or it could have been squeaky *** time! SMP
  • Score: 7

6:35pm Sat 3 May 14

sarratthorn says...

Spineless, rudderless,embarassi
ng, lacking in leadership and committment, how many of these jokers do we want to see in a Watford shirt next season? And thats not just today, but most of the season.
Too many players with no committment to Watford, taking an easy payday and not understanding what this club is all about.
When will we get a good solid platform of players who understand what it takes to win games in this division. We need an inspirational captain, a leader and winner in midfield! We need a commanding goalkeeper who gives the defence and rest of the team some confidence.
I reckon 50% of the squad should not be with us next season, radical overhaul required if we want to acheive anything more than having a half decent stadium!
Spineless, rudderless,embarassi ng, lacking in leadership and committment, how many of these jokers do we want to see in a Watford shirt next season? And thats not just today, but most of the season. Too many players with no committment to Watford, taking an easy payday and not understanding what this club is all about. When will we get a good solid platform of players who understand what it takes to win games in this division. We need an inspirational captain, a leader and winner in midfield! We need a commanding goalkeeper who gives the defence and rest of the team some confidence. I reckon 50% of the squad should not be with us next season, radical overhaul required if we want to acheive anything more than having a half decent stadium! sarratthorn
  • Score: 16

6:42pm Sat 3 May 14

SMP says...

sarratthorn wrote:
Spineless, rudderless,embarassi

ng, lacking in leadership and committment, how many of these jokers do we want to see in a Watford shirt next season? And thats not just today, but most of the season.
Too many players with no committment to Watford, taking an easy payday and not understanding what this club is all about.
When will we get a good solid platform of players who understand what it takes to win games in this division. We need an inspirational captain, a leader and winner in midfield! We need a commanding goalkeeper who gives the defence and rest of the team some confidence.
I reckon 50% of the squad should not be with us next season, radical overhaul required if we want to acheive anything more than having a half decent stadium!
We, in my opinion, have sorely missed an outfield team captain NOT one standing in the 18 yard box! John Eustace's face may not have fit the situation any longer BUT an individual of this type of character and stature is paramount to success on the pitch.
[quote][p][bold]sarratthorn[/bold] wrote: Spineless, rudderless,embarassi ng, lacking in leadership and committment, how many of these jokers do we want to see in a Watford shirt next season? And thats not just today, but most of the season. Too many players with no committment to Watford, taking an easy payday and not understanding what this club is all about. When will we get a good solid platform of players who understand what it takes to win games in this division. We need an inspirational captain, a leader and winner in midfield! We need a commanding goalkeeper who gives the defence and rest of the team some confidence. I reckon 50% of the squad should not be with us next season, radical overhaul required if we want to acheive anything more than having a half decent stadium![/p][/quote]We, in my opinion, have sorely missed an outfield team captain NOT one standing in the 18 yard box! John Eustace's face may not have fit the situation any longer BUT an individual of this type of character and stature is paramount to success on the pitch. SMP
  • Score: 22

6:44pm Sat 3 May 14

Hornankey says...

steveinmk wrote:
This squad should be more than good enough to hold its own at this level - we have the players, it's just that the whole has been so much less than the sum of the parts on too many occasions. Sean Dyche was superb at getting the best from a group of players with limited skills and he's clearly gone on to instil a similar team spirit at Burnley - if we'd had anything like that level of organisation and togetherness this season we'd have made it into the playoffs. Today was dire, but clearing out the squad isn't the answer. Have to agree that Harry the Hornet was excellent though.
Good comment. The underperformance (and lack of passion) of the whole is a direct product of poor organisation and management.
[quote][p][bold]steveinmk[/bold] wrote: This squad should be more than good enough to hold its own at this level - we have the players, it's just that the whole has been so much less than the sum of the parts on too many occasions. Sean Dyche was superb at getting the best from a group of players with limited skills and he's clearly gone on to instil a similar team spirit at Burnley - if we'd had anything like that level of organisation and togetherness this season we'd have made it into the playoffs. Today was dire, but clearing out the squad isn't the answer. Have to agree that Harry the Hornet was excellent though.[/p][/quote]Good comment. The underperformance (and lack of passion) of the whole is a direct product of poor organisation and management. Hornankey
  • Score: 9

7:08pm Sat 3 May 14

Mooneyman says...

Apart from Deeney there was nobody else today who wore OUR yellow shirt with pride. An abject, pathetic, embarrassing performance. Every player including the HUGE number of coaching staff & Sannino should give their week's wages to charity as not one of them can go home tonight with their head up & honestly say they've earnt it. I hope they all sit & watch a replay of that rubbish they served up today and apologise. Though i suspect they probably won't and are already packing for their holidays to Dubai & the Seychelles.
Apart from Deeney there was nobody else today who wore OUR yellow shirt with pride. An abject, pathetic, embarrassing performance. Every player including the HUGE number of coaching staff & Sannino should give their week's wages to charity as not one of them can go home tonight with their head up & honestly say they've earnt it. I hope they all sit & watch a replay of that rubbish they served up today and apologise. Though i suspect they probably won't and are already packing for their holidays to Dubai & the Seychelles. Mooneyman
  • Score: 10

8:16pm Sat 3 May 14

Watford 7 Saints 1 says...

Being a glass half full person and a great believer in fate today's result is a blessing in disguise. If the result had been the other way around that would have masked what has been a very bad season indeed, but now you would like to think that the Pozzos will look at it and not stick with Sannino and Nani and do what they need to do to get some return from their investment and stop trying to throw at us payers who are unfit and not suited to the English game and get a Manager who kows this league and can speak a language that the whole team understands! Love WFC always have done and always will.
Being a glass half full person and a great believer in fate today's result is a blessing in disguise. If the result had been the other way around that would have masked what has been a very bad season indeed, but now you would like to think that the Pozzos will look at it and not stick with Sannino and Nani and do what they need to do to get some return from their investment and stop trying to throw at us payers who are unfit and not suited to the English game and get a Manager who kows this league and can speak a language that the whole team understands! Love WFC always have done and always will. Watford 7 Saints 1
  • Score: 13

8:20pm Sat 3 May 14

ramage1996 says...

Growing up supporting Watford I think us having a chance of reaching the play offs in the second tier with three games to go would be seen as a good season..

Looking at that new stand being built, the money spent on training pitches and having owners that actually seem to care and not want to mug the club off after we have had the likes of Petchey and Bassini, I think fans should have a bit of perspective when they moan on here.
Growing up supporting Watford I think us having a chance of reaching the play offs in the second tier with three games to go would be seen as a good season.. Looking at that new stand being built, the money spent on training pitches and having owners that actually seem to care and not want to mug the club off after we have had the likes of Petchey and Bassini, I think fans should have a bit of perspective when they moan on here. ramage1996
  • Score: 22

8:29pm Sat 3 May 14

Scothorn says...

Looks like even the Happy Clappers have realised there is no longer anything to be happy about ! Harry the Hornet definitely MOTM
Looks like even the Happy Clappers have realised there is no longer anything to be happy about ! Harry the Hornet definitely MOTM Scothorn
  • Score: 13

8:40pm Sat 3 May 14

watford4ever says...

ramage1996 wrote:
Growing up supporting Watford I think us having a chance of reaching the play offs in the second tier with three games to go would be seen as a good season..

Looking at that new stand being built, the money spent on training pitches and having owners that actually seem to care and not want to mug the club off after we have had the likes of Petchey and Bassini, I think fans should have a bit of perspective when they moan on here.
Good perspective, I agree these owners have already given us more hope, great football ( at times!) and allowed us to have real optimism for the future.
At least if they get things right we have a chance of doing well, instead of just hanging on under the last 2 owners.
[quote][p][bold]ramage1996[/bold] wrote: Growing up supporting Watford I think us having a chance of reaching the play offs in the second tier with three games to go would be seen as a good season.. Looking at that new stand being built, the money spent on training pitches and having owners that actually seem to care and not want to mug the club off after we have had the likes of Petchey and Bassini, I think fans should have a bit of perspective when they moan on here.[/p][/quote]Good perspective, I agree these owners have already given us more hope, great football ( at times!) and allowed us to have real optimism for the future. At least if they get things right we have a chance of doing well, instead of just hanging on under the last 2 owners. watford4ever
  • Score: 14

9:53pm Sat 3 May 14

longcliffe says...

Is it Beppe in this week or is he out this week?

You lot on here think his brilliant, then he is crap.

All I can say is KNOCKAERT was holding the Championship Trophy today and you lot were losing 4-1 at home to Huddersfield.
I call this the sweetest of all justices.
Is it Beppe in this week or is he out this week? You lot on here think his brilliant, then he is crap. All I can say is KNOCKAERT was holding the Championship Trophy today and you lot were losing 4-1 at home to Huddersfield. I call this the sweetest of all justices. longcliffe
  • Score: -35

10:00pm Sat 3 May 14

buckler says...

Alex Chamberlain got to join Sannino out the door surely! Lee, Loach , Bonham and now Bond all gone to pieces under his wing!
Alex Chamberlain got to join Sannino out the door surely! Lee, Loach , Bonham and now Bond all gone to pieces under his wing! buckler
  • Score: 14

10:07pm Sat 3 May 14

longcliffe says...

......and as for your keeper

And what about all your loan players this season. Diakite, Park, and all the others I can't be bothered to mention?
......and as for your keeper And what about all your loan players this season. Diakite, Park, and all the others I can't be bothered to mention? longcliffe
  • Score: -16

10:09pm Sat 3 May 14

Watford 7 Saints 1 says...

longcliffe wrote:
Is it Beppe in this week or is he out this week?

You lot on here think his brilliant, then he is crap.

All I can say is KNOCKAERT was holding the Championship Trophy today and you lot were losing 4-1 at home to Huddersfield.
I call this the sweetest of all justices.
How is that the sweetest of justice you **** ? Knockknobhead blatantly dived so what are you talking about you prat!
[quote][p][bold]longcliffe[/bold] wrote: Is it Beppe in this week or is he out this week? You lot on here think his brilliant, then he is crap. All I can say is KNOCKAERT was holding the Championship Trophy today and you lot were losing 4-1 at home to Huddersfield. I call this the sweetest of all justices.[/p][/quote]How is that the sweetest of justice you **** ? Knockknobhead blatantly dived so what are you talking about you prat! Watford 7 Saints 1
  • Score: 18

10:14pm Sat 3 May 14

longcliffe says...

Watford 7 Saints 1 wrote:
longcliffe wrote:
Is it Beppe in this week or is he out this week?

You lot on here think his brilliant, then he is crap.

All I can say is KNOCKAERT was holding the Championship Trophy today and you lot were losing 4-1 at home to Huddersfield.
I call this the sweetest of all justices.
How is that the sweetest of justice you **** ? Knockknobhead blatantly dived so what are you talking about you prat!
Don't get your knickers in a twist
[quote][p][bold]Watford 7 Saints 1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]longcliffe[/bold] wrote: Is it Beppe in this week or is he out this week? You lot on here think his brilliant, then he is crap. All I can say is KNOCKAERT was holding the Championship Trophy today and you lot were losing 4-1 at home to Huddersfield. I call this the sweetest of all justices.[/p][/quote]How is that the sweetest of justice you **** ? Knockknobhead blatantly dived so what are you talking about you prat![/p][/quote]Don't get your knickers in a twist longcliffe
  • Score: -11

10:16pm Sat 3 May 14

Wooter bout that! says...

longcliffe wrote:
Is it Beppe in this week or is he out this week?

You lot on here think his brilliant, then he is crap.

All I can say is KNOCKAERT was holding the Championship Trophy today and you lot were losing 4-1 at home to Huddersfield.
I call this the sweetest of all justices.
Your terrible command of the Englsh language makes it difficult to understand the point you are trying to make.
I'm getting an inkling you may be from Leicester and that maybe you didn't fully concentrate during your school days...
[quote][p][bold]longcliffe[/bold] wrote: Is it Beppe in this week or is he out this week? You lot on here think his brilliant, then he is crap. All I can say is KNOCKAERT was holding the Championship Trophy today and you lot were losing 4-1 at home to Huddersfield. I call this the sweetest of all justices.[/p][/quote]Your terrible command of the Englsh language makes it difficult to understand the point you are trying to make. I'm getting an inkling you may be from Leicester and that maybe you didn't fully concentrate during your school days... Wooter bout that!
  • Score: 18

10:16pm Sat 3 May 14

philthehorn says...

There are far too man backroom staff doing nothing. Get rid of all these time wasters and also Sannino's number 2 is a goalkeeping coach!
With all the goalkeeping errors has got to be serious questions asked. Also what about Woods. When will he get a game?
There are far too man backroom staff doing nothing. Get rid of all these time wasters and also Sannino's number 2 is a goalkeeping coach! With all the goalkeeping errors has got to be serious questions asked. Also what about Woods. When will he get a game? philthehorn
  • Score: 6

10:18pm Sat 3 May 14

ramage1996 says...

longcliffe wrote:
......and as for your keeper

And what about all your loan players this season. Diakite, Park, and all the others I can't be bothered to mention?
You know a lot about Watford, are you jealous?


I went to the walkers crisps bowel stadium, not much atmosphere for a team at the top of the league x
[quote][p][bold]longcliffe[/bold] wrote: ......and as for your keeper And what about all your loan players this season. Diakite, Park, and all the others I can't be bothered to mention?[/p][/quote]You know a lot about Watford, are you jealous? I went to the walkers crisps bowel stadium, not much atmosphere for a team at the top of the league x ramage1996
  • Score: 12

10:19pm Sat 3 May 14

Ramageland says...

longcliffe wrote:
......and as for your keeper

And what about all your loan players this season. Diakite, Park, and all the others I can't be bothered to mention?
Why are you back on here? Has mummy activated the parental controls again to stop you spending your Saturday night looking at all those nice men on the internet?
[quote][p][bold]longcliffe[/bold] wrote: ......and as for your keeper And what about all your loan players this season. Diakite, Park, and all the others I can't be bothered to mention?[/p][/quote]Why are you back on here? Has mummy activated the parental controls again to stop you spending your Saturday night looking at all those nice men on the internet? Ramageland
  • Score: 9

10:21pm Sat 3 May 14

philthehorn says...

Lots of players out and need settled 11 barring injuries next season. Should go four at the back as defence is rubbish. SANNINO OUT!!!!!!
Lots of players out and need settled 11 barring injuries next season. Should go four at the back as defence is rubbish. SANNINO OUT!!!!!! philthehorn
  • Score: 4

10:27pm Sat 3 May 14

Andrew1963 says...

73 points to sneak into the play offs this squad should have managed that.
73 points to sneak into the play offs this squad should have managed that. Andrew1963
  • Score: 4

10:27pm Sat 3 May 14

downunderorn says...

From all reports DIRE DIRE DIRE.Where is the Ginger Mourinho now?
From all reports DIRE DIRE DIRE.Where is the Ginger Mourinho now? downunderorn
  • Score: 2

10:30pm Sat 3 May 14

longcliffe says...

Wooter bout that! wrote:
longcliffe wrote:
Is it Beppe in this week or is he out this week?

You lot on here think his brilliant, then he is crap.

All I can say is KNOCKAERT was holding the Championship Trophy today and you lot were losing 4-1 at home to Huddersfield.
I call this the sweetest of all justices.
Your terrible command of the Englsh language makes it difficult to understand the point you are trying to make.
I'm getting an inkling you may be from Leicester and that maybe you didn't fully concentrate during your school days...
Enjoy your season in the championship professor.

Watford 60 points, Leicester City 102 points
[quote][p][bold]Wooter bout that![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]longcliffe[/bold] wrote: Is it Beppe in this week or is he out this week? You lot on here think his brilliant, then he is crap. All I can say is KNOCKAERT was holding the Championship Trophy today and you lot were losing 4-1 at home to Huddersfield. I call this the sweetest of all justices.[/p][/quote]Your terrible command of the Englsh language makes it difficult to understand the point you are trying to make. I'm getting an inkling you may be from Leicester and that maybe you didn't fully concentrate during your school days...[/p][/quote]Enjoy your season in the championship professor. Watford 60 points, Leicester City 102 points longcliffe
  • Score: -11

10:53pm Sat 3 May 14

longcliffe says...

Ramageland wrote:
longcliffe wrote:
......and as for your keeper

And what about all your loan players this season. Diakite, Park, and all the others I can't be bothered to mention?
Why are you back on here? Has mummy activated the parental controls again to stop you spending your Saturday night looking at all those nice men on the internet?
Is that the only line you can come up with?
[quote][p][bold]Ramageland[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]longcliffe[/bold] wrote: ......and as for your keeper And what about all your loan players this season. Diakite, Park, and all the others I can't be bothered to mention?[/p][/quote]Why are you back on here? Has mummy activated the parental controls again to stop you spending your Saturday night looking at all those nice men on the internet?[/p][/quote]Is that the only line you can come up with? longcliffe
  • Score: -8

11:17pm Sat 3 May 14

lockerbiehornet says...

longcliffe wrote:
Is it Beppe in this week or is he out this week?

You lot on here think his brilliant, then he is crap.

All I can say is KNOCKAERT was holding the Championship Trophy today and you lot were losing 4-1 at home to Huddersfield.
I call this the sweetest of all justices.
STRAP-ON, I don't remember any of us gloating on your site after almost being cheated by that garlic eating, diving, onion peeling cry baby... I think that makes us better men and women!
[quote][p][bold]longcliffe[/bold] wrote: Is it Beppe in this week or is he out this week? You lot on here think his brilliant, then he is crap. All I can say is KNOCKAERT was holding the Championship Trophy today and you lot were losing 4-1 at home to Huddersfield. I call this the sweetest of all justices.[/p][/quote]STRAP-ON, I don't remember any of us gloating on your site after almost being cheated by that garlic eating, diving, onion peeling cry baby... I think that makes us better men and women! lockerbiehornet
  • Score: 17

11:20pm Sat 3 May 14

lockerbiehornet says...

ramage1996 wrote:
longcliffe wrote:
......and as for your keeper

And what about all your loan players this season. Diakite, Park, and all the others I can't be bothered to mention?
You know a lot about Watford, are you jealous?


I went to the walkers crisps bowel stadium, not much atmosphere for a team at the top of the league x
I thought it was called the King Prawn stadium
[quote][p][bold]ramage1996[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]longcliffe[/bold] wrote: ......and as for your keeper And what about all your loan players this season. Diakite, Park, and all the others I can't be bothered to mention?[/p][/quote]You know a lot about Watford, are you jealous? I went to the walkers crisps bowel stadium, not much atmosphere for a team at the top of the league x[/p][/quote]I thought it was called the King Prawn stadium lockerbiehornet
  • Score: 9

11:20pm Sat 3 May 14

Ramageland says...

longcliffe wrote:
Ramageland wrote:
longcliffe wrote:
......and as for your keeper

And what about all your loan players this season. Diakite, Park, and all the others I can't be bothered to mention?
Why are you back on here? Has mummy activated the parental controls again to stop you spending your Saturday night looking at all those nice men on the internet?
Is that the only line you can come up with?
Yes, do you like it? Being a parent of young kids means I can't go out every Saturday night anymore, so I end up reading all the cr*p on here. What's your excuse?
[quote][p][bold]longcliffe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ramageland[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]longcliffe[/bold] wrote: ......and as for your keeper And what about all your loan players this season. Diakite, Park, and all the others I can't be bothered to mention?[/p][/quote]Why are you back on here? Has mummy activated the parental controls again to stop you spending your Saturday night looking at all those nice men on the internet?[/p][/quote]Is that the only line you can come up with?[/p][/quote]Yes, do you like it? Being a parent of young kids means I can't go out every Saturday night anymore, so I end up reading all the cr*p on here. What's your excuse? Ramageland
  • Score: 2

11:22pm Sat 3 May 14

SJM...laugh at luton says...

Chamberlain has failed for 7th season running,Beppe must go now...

Get Malky back now,support him,he is the man...
Chamberlain has failed for 7th season running,Beppe must go now... Get Malky back now,support him,he is the man... SJM...laugh at luton
  • Score: 5

11:52pm Sat 3 May 14

SMP says...

longcliffe wrote:
Wooter bout that! wrote:
longcliffe wrote:
Is it Beppe in this week or is he out this week?

You lot on here think his brilliant, then he is crap.

All I can say is KNOCKAERT was holding the Championship Trophy today and you lot were losing 4-1 at home to Huddersfield.
I call this the sweetest of all justices.
Your terrible command of the Englsh language makes it difficult to understand the point you are trying to make.
I'm getting an inkling you may be from Leicester and that maybe you didn't fully concentrate during your school days...
Enjoy your season in the championship professor.

Watford 60 points, Leicester City 102 points
Fair do, enjoy your moment as Leicester over the course of the season deserved their reward. However, make the most of it ... Cardiff no doubt will recall the same elation this time last season and ooh, where are they today .... Oh yes, relegated!!!
[quote][p][bold]longcliffe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wooter bout that![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]longcliffe[/bold] wrote: Is it Beppe in this week or is he out this week? You lot on here think his brilliant, then he is crap. All I can say is KNOCKAERT was holding the Championship Trophy today and you lot were losing 4-1 at home to Huddersfield. I call this the sweetest of all justices.[/p][/quote]Your terrible command of the Englsh language makes it difficult to understand the point you are trying to make. I'm getting an inkling you may be from Leicester and that maybe you didn't fully concentrate during your school days...[/p][/quote]Enjoy your season in the championship professor. Watford 60 points, Leicester City 102 points[/p][/quote]Fair do, enjoy your moment as Leicester over the course of the season deserved their reward. However, make the most of it ... Cardiff no doubt will recall the same elation this time last season and ooh, where are they today .... Oh yes, relegated!!! SMP
  • Score: 10

12:18am Sun 4 May 14

stiffler99 says...

I notice that the headline for this article has changed. Were we not abject after all?
I notice that the headline for this article has changed. Were we not abject after all? stiffler99
  • Score: 2

8:25am Sun 4 May 14

robo bovingdon says...

been supporting for over 60 years this is 1st time i did not stay afterwards i got no support during the game.Iwould like to thank the Pozzo family for their support and on behalf of all at the club sorry you have been let down please take swift action to get things right for next season.
been supporting for over 60 years this is 1st time i did not stay afterwards i got no support during the game.Iwould like to thank the Pozzo family for their support and on behalf of all at the club sorry you have been let down please take swift action to get things right for next season. robo bovingdon
  • Score: 5

9:36am Sun 4 May 14

SAHornet says...

Whilst I and every Watford fan is appreciative of The Pozzos ownership and where we are off the field, let's get real here. On the field we are a complete shambles and as owners, it's up to The Pozzos to recognize where we are and what is necessary to rectify this. The Italian model doesn't work in our Championship.

We need players that don't give up at 80 minutes, an english speaking manager (not head-coach) that has serious input into recruitment, a strong captain that isn't a goalkeeper, at least 4 players that are tough, strong britishers and then but only then, a mix of international players with drive and flair to give a good, strong and balanced mix to the side. 2 quality keepers also required.

We simply don't have that at present and I'm hoping that The Pozzos will work hard on these points in the next few months and I do hope they start by firing Mr. Nani who in my mind is a total waste of space and money.

I hope that all true Watford fans enjoy your summer and try to put behind them what has been a most disappointing season. Go well, all.
Whilst I and every Watford fan is appreciative of The Pozzos ownership and where we are off the field, let's get real here. On the field we are a complete shambles and as owners, it's up to The Pozzos to recognize where we are and what is necessary to rectify this. The Italian model doesn't work in our Championship. We need players that don't give up at 80 minutes, an english speaking manager (not head-coach) that has serious input into recruitment, a strong captain that isn't a goalkeeper, at least 4 players that are tough, strong britishers and then but only then, a mix of international players with drive and flair to give a good, strong and balanced mix to the side. 2 quality keepers also required. We simply don't have that at present and I'm hoping that The Pozzos will work hard on these points in the next few months and I do hope they start by firing Mr. Nani who in my mind is a total waste of space and money. I hope that all true Watford fans enjoy your summer and try to put behind them what has been a most disappointing season. Go well, all. SAHornet
  • Score: 14

10:10am Sun 4 May 14

Stoney77 says...

SAHornet wrote:
Whilst I and every Watford fan is appreciative of The Pozzos ownership and where we are off the field, let's get real here. On the field we are a complete shambles and as owners, it's up to The Pozzos to recognize where we are and what is necessary to rectify this. The Italian model doesn't work in our Championship.

We need players that don't give up at 80 minutes, an english speaking manager (not head-coach) that has serious input into recruitment, a strong captain that isn't a goalkeeper, at least 4 players that are tough, strong britishers and then but only then, a mix of international players with drive and flair to give a good, strong and balanced mix to the side. 2 quality keepers also required.

We simply don't have that at present and I'm hoping that The Pozzos will work hard on these points in the next few months and I do hope they start by firing Mr. Nani who in my mind is a total waste of space and money.

I hope that all true Watford fans enjoy your summer and try to put behind them what has been a most disappointing season. Go well, all.
I understand what you are saying but, taking a step back, should we not be extremely grateful that in the here and now, we, fans of the club, can regard your 'shopping list' as something which is reasonable, and not out of the question. In the past, we would never be expecting such things? The Pozzo reign has been a success so far. Last season was magical, this season average - made to feel even more average by the highs of last season which has altered our expectations.
There is not enough passion shown, not enough grit, but this has only been evident because we have not scored enough goals this season. Barring yesterday's slightly freakish result we had only conceded 2 more goals than last season so it's at the strikers end that we have essentially gone wrong this year. We showed just as little grit, steel and determination last year but we had Vydra and Abdi and we scored more. We've tried to play in a similar style this year but have not had those two all important cogs, and it hasn't worked but we've tried to continue with the same style. Finally just to add that I don't think that style is suited to the championship as there is not enough time on the ball and we get bullied out of games, so I guess a bit of an overhaul is needed and as you say a balance of flair and steel. A Wes Morgan alongside Angella, a no nonsense midfielder in the centre of the park and a bit more pace throughout the team.
COYH
[quote][p][bold]SAHornet[/bold] wrote: Whilst I and every Watford fan is appreciative of The Pozzos ownership and where we are off the field, let's get real here. On the field we are a complete shambles and as owners, it's up to The Pozzos to recognize where we are and what is necessary to rectify this. The Italian model doesn't work in our Championship. We need players that don't give up at 80 minutes, an english speaking manager (not head-coach) that has serious input into recruitment, a strong captain that isn't a goalkeeper, at least 4 players that are tough, strong britishers and then but only then, a mix of international players with drive and flair to give a good, strong and balanced mix to the side. 2 quality keepers also required. We simply don't have that at present and I'm hoping that The Pozzos will work hard on these points in the next few months and I do hope they start by firing Mr. Nani who in my mind is a total waste of space and money. I hope that all true Watford fans enjoy your summer and try to put behind them what has been a most disappointing season. Go well, all.[/p][/quote]I understand what you are saying but, taking a step back, should we not be extremely grateful that in the here and now, we, fans of the club, can regard your 'shopping list' as something which is reasonable, and not out of the question. In the past, we would never be expecting such things? The Pozzo reign has been a success so far. Last season was magical, this season average - made to feel even more average by the highs of last season which has altered our expectations. There is not enough passion shown, not enough grit, but this has only been evident because we have not scored enough goals this season. Barring yesterday's slightly freakish result we had only conceded 2 more goals than last season so it's at the strikers end that we have essentially gone wrong this year. We showed just as little grit, steel and determination last year but we had Vydra and Abdi and we scored more. We've tried to play in a similar style this year but have not had those two all important cogs, and it hasn't worked but we've tried to continue with the same style. Finally just to add that I don't think that style is suited to the championship as there is not enough time on the ball and we get bullied out of games, so I guess a bit of an overhaul is needed and as you say a balance of flair and steel. A Wes Morgan alongside Angella, a no nonsense midfielder in the centre of the park and a bit more pace throughout the team. COYH Stoney77
  • Score: 4

10:36am Sun 4 May 14

Rodthomasini says...

Hornet Cornet wrote:
Anyone want to disagree with my negative thoughts on those idiots that call themselves watford management and players? The Pozzo's are not untouchable. Sort out this crap.
I bet you blame Zola haha
[quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: Anyone want to disagree with my negative thoughts on those idiots that call themselves watford management and players? The Pozzo's are not untouchable. Sort out this crap.[/p][/quote]I bet you blame Zola haha Rodthomasini
  • Score: 1

10:43am Sun 4 May 14

corbindallas says...

Think it fair to say pre season I have been saying Nani needs to go, it is easy to blame the manager for this situation but at the end of the day when you have players who do not want to run through walls for the team because they are here as stop gaps then it is not going to work for any manager to motivate and discipline his team. We have had a record number of yellows this season and a handful of reds and could easily have another 2 from yeterdays game as well. The problem is the Pozzo's will be reluctant to deal with the big problem if he truely started this relationship and may give more time when the situation will get worse and dare I say we could be fighting relegation next season! We will see what happens over the next few months but I don't expect much change back room unfortunatley. I do see with Deeney going how we will survive as we knew we needed a striker with Deeeney but to lose him as well which we surely will means our future in the Championship is unknown. If we do not make big changes then I for one will have to show what my thought are with the stem of the problem and a big banner with Nani out is top of my list to show it as obviously the Pozzo's might need it forced on them to see the issue their £260,000 a year member of staff is!
Think it fair to say pre season I have been saying Nani needs to go, it is easy to blame the manager for this situation but at the end of the day when you have players who do not want to run through walls for the team because they are here as stop gaps then it is not going to work for any manager to motivate and discipline his team. We have had a record number of yellows this season and a handful of reds and could easily have another 2 from yeterdays game as well. The problem is the Pozzo's will be reluctant to deal with the big problem if he truely started this relationship and may give more time when the situation will get worse and dare I say we could be fighting relegation next season! We will see what happens over the next few months but I don't expect much change back room unfortunatley. I do see with Deeney going how we will survive as we knew we needed a striker with Deeeney but to lose him as well which we surely will means our future in the Championship is unknown. If we do not make big changes then I for one will have to show what my thought are with the stem of the problem and a big banner with Nani out is top of my list to show it as obviously the Pozzo's might need it forced on them to see the issue their £260,000 a year member of staff is! corbindallas
  • Score: 0

11:17am Sun 4 May 14

PMJ1966 says...

I deliberately took the chance to reflect and not rush to the keyboard and shoot from the hip about yesterday's game. Regrettably, my conclusion is yesterday's performance the was biggest pile of rubbish I have had the displeasure to watch in a very long time. The club seem to be getting things right on so many levels (new stand and training facilities etc) but it's on the pitch which appears to be so disjointed when measured against our supporters expectations which I suggest are much too high! We should be regarded at this time as a solid mid-table championship team, with a solid fan base of 12,000-13,000 who play fantastic one week and not so well the next. Anything more is a bonus - last year was fantastic but not realistic at this time in the Pozzo reign. People may say look at Burnley and what can be done but tChristmas will be very different this year for Sean as he looks to board for support in the battle to bit the drop! Going into 14/15 with lower expectations might be just what the doctor ordered and if things click we just might surprise a few along the way.
I deliberately took the chance to reflect and not rush to the keyboard and shoot from the hip about yesterday's game. Regrettably, my conclusion is yesterday's performance the was biggest pile of rubbish I have had the displeasure to watch in a very long time. The club seem to be getting things right on so many levels (new stand and training facilities etc) but it's on the pitch which appears to be so disjointed when measured against our supporters expectations which I suggest are much too high! We should be regarded at this time as a solid mid-table championship team, with a solid fan base of 12,000-13,000 who play fantastic one week and not so well the next. Anything more is a bonus - last year was fantastic but not realistic at this time in the Pozzo reign. People may say look at Burnley and what can be done but tChristmas will be very different this year for Sean as he looks to board for support in the battle to bit the drop! Going into 14/15 with lower expectations might be just what the doctor ordered and if things click we just might surprise a few along the way. PMJ1966
  • Score: -1

11:32am Sun 4 May 14

1234566789 says...

Let's get some perspective before we criticise the Pozzos and their model....

2 years ago we finished in 11th place with 64 points under Bassini and Dyche. The summer was a worry as we were on the brink of administration but had no real assets to sell after Graham, Cowie, Buckley and Sordell had all left over the last 12 months. Deeney was a nobody who would soon be getting a sentence at Her Majesty's. The East Stand had no real plans for development. We were averaging around 12,000 in attendance per game and the club was an absolute joke. We all feared the worst for the following season with the bookies making us among the favourites to get relegated to League 1.

Fast forward to now and we have finished two places lower, with four less points. However, we have an East Stand currently being built. We have 10,000 season tickets already sold for next season. We have Deeney as a top Championship striker who we might be able to keep, if not we can sell for £6m +. We have top players like Angella, Anya, Abdi and Forestieri all signed at the club. We are talking about what we need to do to improve and get promoted to the Premier League.

From the above, all I can say is that the Pozzos have entirely transformed our club. Maybe we just need to reign in our expectations a little bit and be thankful for where we are compared to where we could be.
Let's get some perspective before we criticise the Pozzos and their model.... 2 years ago we finished in 11th place with 64 points under Bassini and Dyche. The summer was a worry as we were on the brink of administration but had no real assets to sell after Graham, Cowie, Buckley and Sordell had all left over the last 12 months. Deeney was a nobody who would soon be getting a sentence at Her Majesty's. The East Stand had no real plans for development. We were averaging around 12,000 in attendance per game and the club was an absolute joke. We all feared the worst for the following season with the bookies making us among the favourites to get relegated to League 1. Fast forward to now and we have finished two places lower, with four less points. However, we have an East Stand currently being built. We have 10,000 season tickets already sold for next season. We have Deeney as a top Championship striker who we might be able to keep, if not we can sell for £6m +. We have top players like Angella, Anya, Abdi and Forestieri all signed at the club. We are talking about what we need to do to improve and get promoted to the Premier League. From the above, all I can say is that the Pozzos have entirely transformed our club. Maybe we just need to reign in our expectations a little bit and be thankful for where we are compared to where we could be. 1234566789
  • Score: 13

11:44am Sun 4 May 14

Michael Sills says...

I agree the performance was terrible, but only a month ago we had an outside chance of the play offs give Bepee a bit more time, we need to get a decent keeper and also a good striker once Troy has gone, this season is over get behind the team and manager next season and hopefully we be up there at the end.
I agree the performance was terrible, but only a month ago we had an outside chance of the play offs give Bepee a bit more time, we need to get a decent keeper and also a good striker once Troy has gone, this season is over get behind the team and manager next season and hopefully we be up there at the end. Michael Sills
  • Score: 2

12:07pm Sun 4 May 14

rogeruk says...

1234566789 wrote:
Let's get some perspective before we criticise the Pozzos and their model....

2 years ago we finished in 11th place with 64 points under Bassini and Dyche. The summer was a worry as we were on the brink of administration but had no real assets to sell after Graham, Cowie, Buckley and Sordell had all left over the last 12 months. Deeney was a nobody who would soon be getting a sentence at Her Majesty's. The East Stand had no real plans for development. We were averaging around 12,000 in attendance per game and the club was an absolute joke. We all feared the worst for the following season with the bookies making us among the favourites to get relegated to League 1.

Fast forward to now and we have finished two places lower, with four less points. However, we have an East Stand currently being built. We have 10,000 season tickets already sold for next season. We have Deeney as a top Championship striker who we might be able to keep, if not we can sell for £6m +. We have top players like Angella, Anya, Abdi and Forestieri all signed at the club. We are talking about what we need to do to improve and get promoted to the Premier League.

From the above, all I can say is that the Pozzos have entirely transformed our club. Maybe we just need to reign in our expectations a little bit and be thankful for where we are compared to where we could be.
Take of the Rose tinted glasses. My post is neither negative or positive, but
factual,. I express only two opinions which can be disagreed with!

Fact: On the management and playing side the Pozzos have screwed up big time.

Fact: The Pozzos are building a new stand!

Fact: Shaun Dyche was sacked without being given a chance.

Fact: Shaun Dyche is now a premier league manager.

Fact: Three seasons ago under the Bankrupt Bassini Watford got 64 points ( four more than season 2013/14 under Zola/Sannino)..

Fact: Season 2013/14 the club has had two managers neither has been a success finishing in
the bottom half of the championship table.

Fact: Small newly promoted club Bournemouth finished higher than Watford by 6 points on 66 points.

Fact: Leicester finished with 41 points more than Watford.

Fact: Watford managed 4 wins from 23 away games.

Fact: Watford got beat by 2 of the 3 of the relegated clubs to Division 1 namely; Yeovil and Doncaster.

Fact: Watford under Zola lost 5 consecutive home games making a new record (I think).

Fact: Sannino admits to losing the last four consecutive games saying this has never happened to him before.

Opinion: Timing has not gone to plan for the new stand, I suspect may not be ready for the new season.

Opinion: Almunia and Bond are great shot stoppers but weak on all other aspects of goalkeeping,
I believe Chamberlain has to go and two new keepers required one of premier standard and one of championship/league 1 standard.
[quote][p][bold]1234566789[/bold] wrote: Let's get some perspective before we criticise the Pozzos and their model.... 2 years ago we finished in 11th place with 64 points under Bassini and Dyche. The summer was a worry as we were on the brink of administration but had no real assets to sell after Graham, Cowie, Buckley and Sordell had all left over the last 12 months. Deeney was a nobody who would soon be getting a sentence at Her Majesty's. The East Stand had no real plans for development. We were averaging around 12,000 in attendance per game and the club was an absolute joke. We all feared the worst for the following season with the bookies making us among the favourites to get relegated to League 1. Fast forward to now and we have finished two places lower, with four less points. However, we have an East Stand currently being built. We have 10,000 season tickets already sold for next season. We have Deeney as a top Championship striker who we might be able to keep, if not we can sell for £6m +. We have top players like Angella, Anya, Abdi and Forestieri all signed at the club. We are talking about what we need to do to improve and get promoted to the Premier League. From the above, all I can say is that the Pozzos have entirely transformed our club. Maybe we just need to reign in our expectations a little bit and be thankful for where we are compared to where we could be.[/p][/quote]Take of the Rose tinted glasses. My post is neither negative or positive, but factual,. I express only two opinions which can be disagreed with! Fact: On the management and playing side the Pozzos have screwed up big time. Fact: The Pozzos are building a new stand! Fact: Shaun Dyche was sacked without being given a chance. Fact: Shaun Dyche is now a premier league manager. Fact: Three seasons ago under the Bankrupt Bassini Watford got 64 points ( four more than season 2013/14 under Zola/Sannino).. Fact: Season 2013/14 the club has had two managers neither has been a success finishing in the bottom half of the championship table. Fact: Small newly promoted club Bournemouth finished higher than Watford by 6 points on 66 points. Fact: Leicester finished with 41 points more than Watford. Fact: Watford managed 4 wins from 23 away games. Fact: Watford got beat by 2 of the 3 of the relegated clubs to Division 1 namely; Yeovil and Doncaster. Fact: Watford under Zola lost 5 consecutive home games making a new record (I think). Fact: Sannino admits to losing the last four consecutive games saying this has never happened to him before. Opinion: Timing has not gone to plan for the new stand, I suspect may not be ready for the new season. Opinion: Almunia and Bond are great shot stoppers but weak on all other aspects of goalkeeping, I believe Chamberlain has to go and two new keepers required one of premier standard and one of championship/league 1 standard. rogeruk
  • Score: -4

12:49pm Sun 4 May 14

1234566789 says...

rogeruk wrote:
1234566789 wrote:
Let's get some perspective before we criticise the Pozzos and their model....

2 years ago we finished in 11th place with 64 points under Bassini and Dyche. The summer was a worry as we were on the brink of administration but had no real assets to sell after Graham, Cowie, Buckley and Sordell had all left over the last 12 months. Deeney was a nobody who would soon be getting a sentence at Her Majesty's. The East Stand had no real plans for development. We were averaging around 12,000 in attendance per game and the club was an absolute joke. We all feared the worst for the following season with the bookies making us among the favourites to get relegated to League 1.

Fast forward to now and we have finished two places lower, with four less points. However, we have an East Stand currently being built. We have 10,000 season tickets already sold for next season. We have Deeney as a top Championship striker who we might be able to keep, if not we can sell for £6m +. We have top players like Angella, Anya, Abdi and Forestieri all signed at the club. We are talking about what we need to do to improve and get promoted to the Premier League.

From the above, all I can say is that the Pozzos have entirely transformed our club. Maybe we just need to reign in our expectations a little bit and be thankful for where we are compared to where we could be.
Take of the Rose tinted glasses. My post is neither negative or positive, but
factual,. I express only two opinions which can be disagreed with!

Fact: On the management and playing side the Pozzos have screwed up big time.

Fact: The Pozzos are building a new stand!

Fact: Shaun Dyche was sacked without being given a chance.

Fact: Shaun Dyche is now a premier league manager.

Fact: Three seasons ago under the Bankrupt Bassini Watford got 64 points ( four more than season 2013/14 under Zola/Sannino)..

Fact: Season 2013/14 the club has had two managers neither has been a success finishing in
the bottom half of the championship table.

Fact: Small newly promoted club Bournemouth finished higher than Watford by 6 points on 66 points.

Fact: Leicester finished with 41 points more than Watford.

Fact: Watford managed 4 wins from 23 away games.

Fact: Watford got beat by 2 of the 3 of the relegated clubs to Division 1 namely; Yeovil and Doncaster.

Fact: Watford under Zola lost 5 consecutive home games making a new record (I think).

Fact: Sannino admits to losing the last four consecutive games saying this has never happened to him before.

Opinion: Timing has not gone to plan for the new stand, I suspect may not be ready for the new season.

Opinion: Almunia and Bond are great shot stoppers but weak on all other aspects of goalkeeping,
I believe Chamberlain has to go and two new keepers required one of premier standard and one of championship/league 1 standard.
Fact - Dyche and Burnley only managed 11th place last season with 60 points
Fact - Zola and Watford finished 8 places and 17 points above Dyche and Burnley last season
Fact - the Pozzos have got it largely right on the playing side - is our squad now not considerably better than 24 months ago?
Opinion - if Burnley kept a mid-table side together and with a couple do strong additions managed promotion the following season, why can't we?
Fact - you aren't saying anything by giving us all these facts that we already know
[quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]1234566789[/bold] wrote: Let's get some perspective before we criticise the Pozzos and their model.... 2 years ago we finished in 11th place with 64 points under Bassini and Dyche. The summer was a worry as we were on the brink of administration but had no real assets to sell after Graham, Cowie, Buckley and Sordell had all left over the last 12 months. Deeney was a nobody who would soon be getting a sentence at Her Majesty's. The East Stand had no real plans for development. We were averaging around 12,000 in attendance per game and the club was an absolute joke. We all feared the worst for the following season with the bookies making us among the favourites to get relegated to League 1. Fast forward to now and we have finished two places lower, with four less points. However, we have an East Stand currently being built. We have 10,000 season tickets already sold for next season. We have Deeney as a top Championship striker who we might be able to keep, if not we can sell for £6m +. We have top players like Angella, Anya, Abdi and Forestieri all signed at the club. We are talking about what we need to do to improve and get promoted to the Premier League. From the above, all I can say is that the Pozzos have entirely transformed our club. Maybe we just need to reign in our expectations a little bit and be thankful for where we are compared to where we could be.[/p][/quote]Take of the Rose tinted glasses. My post is neither negative or positive, but factual,. I express only two opinions which can be disagreed with! Fact: On the management and playing side the Pozzos have screwed up big time. Fact: The Pozzos are building a new stand! Fact: Shaun Dyche was sacked without being given a chance. Fact: Shaun Dyche is now a premier league manager. Fact: Three seasons ago under the Bankrupt Bassini Watford got 64 points ( four more than season 2013/14 under Zola/Sannino).. Fact: Season 2013/14 the club has had two managers neither has been a success finishing in the bottom half of the championship table. Fact: Small newly promoted club Bournemouth finished higher than Watford by 6 points on 66 points. Fact: Leicester finished with 41 points more than Watford. Fact: Watford managed 4 wins from 23 away games. Fact: Watford got beat by 2 of the 3 of the relegated clubs to Division 1 namely; Yeovil and Doncaster. Fact: Watford under Zola lost 5 consecutive home games making a new record (I think). Fact: Sannino admits to losing the last four consecutive games saying this has never happened to him before. Opinion: Timing has not gone to plan for the new stand, I suspect may not be ready for the new season. Opinion: Almunia and Bond are great shot stoppers but weak on all other aspects of goalkeeping, I believe Chamberlain has to go and two new keepers required one of premier standard and one of championship/league 1 standard.[/p][/quote]Fact - Dyche and Burnley only managed 11th place last season with 60 points Fact - Zola and Watford finished 8 places and 17 points above Dyche and Burnley last season Fact - the Pozzos have got it largely right on the playing side - is our squad now not considerably better than 24 months ago? Opinion - if Burnley kept a mid-table side together and with a couple do strong additions managed promotion the following season, why can't we? Fact - you aren't saying anything by giving us all these facts that we already know 1234566789
  • Score: 4

1:05pm Sun 4 May 14

rogeruk says...

1234566789 wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
1234566789 wrote:
Let's get some perspective before we criticise the Pozzos and their model....

2 years ago we finished in 11th place with 64 points under Bassini and Dyche. The summer was a worry as we were on the brink of administration but had no real assets to sell after Graham, Cowie, Buckley and Sordell had all left over the last 12 months. Deeney was a nobody who would soon be getting a sentence at Her Majesty's. The East Stand had no real plans for development. We were averaging around 12,000 in attendance per game and the club was an absolute joke. We all feared the worst for the following season with the bookies making us among the favourites to get relegated to League 1.

Fast forward to now and we have finished two places lower, with four less points. However, we have an East Stand currently being built. We have 10,000 season tickets already sold for next season. We have Deeney as a top Championship striker who we might be able to keep, if not we can sell for £6m +. We have top players like Angella, Anya, Abdi and Forestieri all signed at the club. We are talking about what we need to do to improve and get promoted to the Premier League.

From the above, all I can say is that the Pozzos have entirely transformed our club. Maybe we just need to reign in our expectations a little bit and be thankful for where we are compared to where we could be.
Take of the Rose tinted glasses. My post is neither negative or positive, but
factual,. I express only two opinions which can be disagreed with!

Fact: On the management and playing side the Pozzos have screwed up big time.

Fact: The Pozzos are building a new stand!

Fact: Shaun Dyche was sacked without being given a chance.

Fact: Shaun Dyche is now a premier league manager.

Fact: Three seasons ago under the Bankrupt Bassini Watford got 64 points ( four more than season 2013/14 under Zola/Sannino)..

Fact: Season 2013/14 the club has had two managers neither has been a success finishing in
the bottom half of the championship table.

Fact: Small newly promoted club Bournemouth finished higher than Watford by 6 points on 66 points.

Fact: Leicester finished with 41 points more than Watford.

Fact: Watford managed 4 wins from 23 away games.

Fact: Watford got beat by 2 of the 3 of the relegated clubs to Division 1 namely; Yeovil and Doncaster.

Fact: Watford under Zola lost 5 consecutive home games making a new record (I think).

Fact: Sannino admits to losing the last four consecutive games saying this has never happened to him before.

Opinion: Timing has not gone to plan for the new stand, I suspect may not be ready for the new season.

Opinion: Almunia and Bond are great shot stoppers but weak on all other aspects of goalkeeping,
I believe Chamberlain has to go and two new keepers required one of premier standard and one of championship/league 1 standard.
Fact - Dyche and Burnley only managed 11th place last season with 60 points
Fact - Zola and Watford finished 8 places and 17 points above Dyche and Burnley last season
Fact - the Pozzos have got it largely right on the playing side - is our squad now not considerably better than 24 months ago?
Opinion - if Burnley kept a mid-table side together and with a couple do strong additions managed promotion the following season, why can't we?
Fact - you aren't saying anything by giving us all these facts that we already know
What are you a schoolboy?

We are talking about yesterday the here and now that is what counts, history cannot be changed. With your illogical argument you can quote what happened in any year, all of that is totally irrelevant to what is going on now.

Burnley have just got 95 points are you blind?

Understand why you call yourself 123456789, its because you can't remember how to count and need it written down to remind you.

Ridiculous arguments on your side no logic at at all.

Its your opinion the side is better now, if that's the case case how come Watford finished on 60 points yesterday, and in the season prior to the Pozzos took over under SD got 64 points.

You do know the difference between a fact and opinion don't you.
[quote][p][bold]1234566789[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]1234566789[/bold] wrote: Let's get some perspective before we criticise the Pozzos and their model.... 2 years ago we finished in 11th place with 64 points under Bassini and Dyche. The summer was a worry as we were on the brink of administration but had no real assets to sell after Graham, Cowie, Buckley and Sordell had all left over the last 12 months. Deeney was a nobody who would soon be getting a sentence at Her Majesty's. The East Stand had no real plans for development. We were averaging around 12,000 in attendance per game and the club was an absolute joke. We all feared the worst for the following season with the bookies making us among the favourites to get relegated to League 1. Fast forward to now and we have finished two places lower, with four less points. However, we have an East Stand currently being built. We have 10,000 season tickets already sold for next season. We have Deeney as a top Championship striker who we might be able to keep, if not we can sell for £6m +. We have top players like Angella, Anya, Abdi and Forestieri all signed at the club. We are talking about what we need to do to improve and get promoted to the Premier League. From the above, all I can say is that the Pozzos have entirely transformed our club. Maybe we just need to reign in our expectations a little bit and be thankful for where we are compared to where we could be.[/p][/quote]Take of the Rose tinted glasses. My post is neither negative or positive, but factual,. I express only two opinions which can be disagreed with! Fact: On the management and playing side the Pozzos have screwed up big time. Fact: The Pozzos are building a new stand! Fact: Shaun Dyche was sacked without being given a chance. Fact: Shaun Dyche is now a premier league manager. Fact: Three seasons ago under the Bankrupt Bassini Watford got 64 points ( four more than season 2013/14 under Zola/Sannino).. Fact: Season 2013/14 the club has had two managers neither has been a success finishing in the bottom half of the championship table. Fact: Small newly promoted club Bournemouth finished higher than Watford by 6 points on 66 points. Fact: Leicester finished with 41 points more than Watford. Fact: Watford managed 4 wins from 23 away games. Fact: Watford got beat by 2 of the 3 of the relegated clubs to Division 1 namely; Yeovil and Doncaster. Fact: Watford under Zola lost 5 consecutive home games making a new record (I think). Fact: Sannino admits to losing the last four consecutive games saying this has never happened to him before. Opinion: Timing has not gone to plan for the new stand, I suspect may not be ready for the new season. Opinion: Almunia and Bond are great shot stoppers but weak on all other aspects of goalkeeping, I believe Chamberlain has to go and two new keepers required one of premier standard and one of championship/league 1 standard.[/p][/quote]Fact - Dyche and Burnley only managed 11th place last season with 60 points Fact - Zola and Watford finished 8 places and 17 points above Dyche and Burnley last season Fact - the Pozzos have got it largely right on the playing side - is our squad now not considerably better than 24 months ago? Opinion - if Burnley kept a mid-table side together and with a couple do strong additions managed promotion the following season, why can't we? Fact - you aren't saying anything by giving us all these facts that we already know[/p][/quote]What are you a schoolboy? We are talking about yesterday the here and now that is what counts, history cannot be changed. With your illogical argument you can quote what happened in any year, all of that is totally irrelevant to what is going on now. Burnley have just got 95 points are you blind? Understand why you call yourself 123456789, its because you can't remember how to count and need it written down to remind you. Ridiculous arguments on your side no logic at at all. Its your opinion the side is better now, if that's the case case how come Watford finished on 60 points yesterday, and in the season prior to the Pozzos took over under SD got 64 points. You do know the difference between a fact and opinion don't you. rogeruk
  • Score: -5

1:15pm Sun 4 May 14

BigDaveH says...

peter10531089 wrote:
It has seemed clear that since the play offs became unreachable that Beppe he's been unable to motivate the players. Today was truly abject but two North errors did make the result only look as bad as the performance itself truly was. The club is moving forward under the pozzo's and it will be interesting to see if they believe that Beppe should be given a go next season. Good to see Deeney get his 25th before what feels like an inevitable and deserved move
You're right with regard to motivation. We have half a team of Italians who have more interest in getting home than "playing for the fans". So no progress since Sean Dyche and he managed it with no money and a crook as a boss!
[quote][p][bold]peter10531089[/bold] wrote: It has seemed clear that since the play offs became unreachable that Beppe he's been unable to motivate the players. Today was truly abject but two North errors did make the result only look as bad as the performance itself truly was. The club is moving forward under the pozzo's and it will be interesting to see if they believe that Beppe should be given a go next season. Good to see Deeney get his 25th before what feels like an inevitable and deserved move[/p][/quote]You're right with regard to motivation. We have half a team of Italians who have more interest in getting home than "playing for the fans". So no progress since Sean Dyche and he managed it with no money and a crook as a boss! BigDaveH
  • Score: 2

1:29pm Sun 4 May 14

longcliffe says...

I think all you can look forward to is League One.
Beppe hasn't got a clue has he?

I don't know why you lot are so bitter
I think all you can look forward to is League One. Beppe hasn't got a clue has he? I don't know why you lot are so bitter longcliffe
  • Score: -4

1:49pm Sun 4 May 14

Harrydownunder says...

longcliffe wrote:
Is it Beppe in this week or is he out this week?

You lot on here think his brilliant, then he is crap.

All I can say is KNOCKAERT was holding the Championship Trophy today and you lot were losing 4-1 at home to Huddersfield.
I call this the sweetest of all justices.
Look forward to being spanked by four or more every week next season ya mug!
[quote][p][bold]longcliffe[/bold] wrote: Is it Beppe in this week or is he out this week? You lot on here think his brilliant, then he is crap. All I can say is KNOCKAERT was holding the Championship Trophy today and you lot were losing 4-1 at home to Huddersfield. I call this the sweetest of all justices.[/p][/quote]Look forward to being spanked by four or more every week next season ya mug! Harrydownunder
  • Score: 2

3:59pm Sun 4 May 14

1234566789 says...

rogeruk wrote:
1234566789 wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
1234566789 wrote:
Let's get some perspective before we criticise the Pozzos and their model....

2 years ago we finished in 11th place with 64 points under Bassini and Dyche. The summer was a worry as we were on the brink of administration but had no real assets to sell after Graham, Cowie, Buckley and Sordell had all left over the last 12 months. Deeney was a nobody who would soon be getting a sentence at Her Majesty's. The East Stand had no real plans for development. We were averaging around 12,000 in attendance per game and the club was an absolute joke. We all feared the worst for the following season with the bookies making us among the favourites to get relegated to League 1.

Fast forward to now and we have finished two places lower, with four less points. However, we have an East Stand currently being built. We have 10,000 season tickets already sold for next season. We have Deeney as a top Championship striker who we might be able to keep, if not we can sell for £6m +. We have top players like Angella, Anya, Abdi and Forestieri all signed at the club. We are talking about what we need to do to improve and get promoted to the Premier League.

From the above, all I can say is that the Pozzos have entirely transformed our club. Maybe we just need to reign in our expectations a little bit and be thankful for where we are compared to where we could be.
Take of the Rose tinted glasses. My post is neither negative or positive, but
factual,. I express only two opinions which can be disagreed with!

Fact: On the management and playing side the Pozzos have screwed up big time.

Fact: The Pozzos are building a new stand!

Fact: Shaun Dyche was sacked without being given a chance.

Fact: Shaun Dyche is now a premier league manager.

Fact: Three seasons ago under the Bankrupt Bassini Watford got 64 points ( four more than season 2013/14 under Zola/Sannino)..

Fact: Season 2013/14 the club has had two managers neither has been a success finishing in
the bottom half of the championship table.

Fact: Small newly promoted club Bournemouth finished higher than Watford by 6 points on 66 points.

Fact: Leicester finished with 41 points more than Watford.

Fact: Watford managed 4 wins from 23 away games.

Fact: Watford got beat by 2 of the 3 of the relegated clubs to Division 1 namely; Yeovil and Doncaster.

Fact: Watford under Zola lost 5 consecutive home games making a new record (I think).

Fact: Sannino admits to losing the last four consecutive games saying this has never happened to him before.

Opinion: Timing has not gone to plan for the new stand, I suspect may not be ready for the new season.

Opinion: Almunia and Bond are great shot stoppers but weak on all other aspects of goalkeeping,
I believe Chamberlain has to go and two new keepers required one of premier standard and one of championship/league 1 standard.
Fact - Dyche and Burnley only managed 11th place last season with 60 points
Fact - Zola and Watford finished 8 places and 17 points above Dyche and Burnley last season
Fact - the Pozzos have got it largely right on the playing side - is our squad now not considerably better than 24 months ago?
Opinion - if Burnley kept a mid-table side together and with a couple do strong additions managed promotion the following season, why can't we?
Fact - you aren't saying anything by giving us all these facts that we already know
What are you a schoolboy?

We are talking about yesterday the here and now that is what counts, history cannot be changed. With your illogical argument you can quote what happened in any year, all of that is totally irrelevant to what is going on now.

Burnley have just got 95 points are you blind?

Understand why you call yourself 123456789, its because you can't remember how to count and need it written down to remind you.

Ridiculous arguments on your side no logic at at all.

Its your opinion the side is better now, if that's the case case how come Watford finished on 60 points yesterday, and in the season prior to the Pozzos took over under SD got 64 points.

You do know the difference between a fact and opinion don't you.
Yes and the here and now is a lot better than it was 24 months ago. That is in terms of attendances, look and feel of the stadium, financial situation and the squad.
[quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]1234566789[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]1234566789[/bold] wrote: Let's get some perspective before we criticise the Pozzos and their model.... 2 years ago we finished in 11th place with 64 points under Bassini and Dyche. The summer was a worry as we were on the brink of administration but had no real assets to sell after Graham, Cowie, Buckley and Sordell had all left over the last 12 months. Deeney was a nobody who would soon be getting a sentence at Her Majesty's. The East Stand had no real plans for development. We were averaging around 12,000 in attendance per game and the club was an absolute joke. We all feared the worst for the following season with the bookies making us among the favourites to get relegated to League 1. Fast forward to now and we have finished two places lower, with four less points. However, we have an East Stand currently being built. We have 10,000 season tickets already sold for next season. We have Deeney as a top Championship striker who we might be able to keep, if not we can sell for £6m +. We have top players like Angella, Anya, Abdi and Forestieri all signed at the club. We are talking about what we need to do to improve and get promoted to the Premier League. From the above, all I can say is that the Pozzos have entirely transformed our club. Maybe we just need to reign in our expectations a little bit and be thankful for where we are compared to where we could be.[/p][/quote]Take of the Rose tinted glasses. My post is neither negative or positive, but factual,. I express only two opinions which can be disagreed with! Fact: On the management and playing side the Pozzos have screwed up big time. Fact: The Pozzos are building a new stand! Fact: Shaun Dyche was sacked without being given a chance. Fact: Shaun Dyche is now a premier league manager. Fact: Three seasons ago under the Bankrupt Bassini Watford got 64 points ( four more than season 2013/14 under Zola/Sannino).. Fact: Season 2013/14 the club has had two managers neither has been a success finishing in the bottom half of the championship table. Fact: Small newly promoted club Bournemouth finished higher than Watford by 6 points on 66 points. Fact: Leicester finished with 41 points more than Watford. Fact: Watford managed 4 wins from 23 away games. Fact: Watford got beat by 2 of the 3 of the relegated clubs to Division 1 namely; Yeovil and Doncaster. Fact: Watford under Zola lost 5 consecutive home games making a new record (I think). Fact: Sannino admits to losing the last four consecutive games saying this has never happened to him before. Opinion: Timing has not gone to plan for the new stand, I suspect may not be ready for the new season. Opinion: Almunia and Bond are great shot stoppers but weak on all other aspects of goalkeeping, I believe Chamberlain has to go and two new keepers required one of premier standard and one of championship/league 1 standard.[/p][/quote]Fact - Dyche and Burnley only managed 11th place last season with 60 points Fact - Zola and Watford finished 8 places and 17 points above Dyche and Burnley last season Fact - the Pozzos have got it largely right on the playing side - is our squad now not considerably better than 24 months ago? Opinion - if Burnley kept a mid-table side together and with a couple do strong additions managed promotion the following season, why can't we? Fact - you aren't saying anything by giving us all these facts that we already know[/p][/quote]What are you a schoolboy? We are talking about yesterday the here and now that is what counts, history cannot be changed. With your illogical argument you can quote what happened in any year, all of that is totally irrelevant to what is going on now. Burnley have just got 95 points are you blind? Understand why you call yourself 123456789, its because you can't remember how to count and need it written down to remind you. Ridiculous arguments on your side no logic at at all. Its your opinion the side is better now, if that's the case case how come Watford finished on 60 points yesterday, and in the season prior to the Pozzos took over under SD got 64 points. You do know the difference between a fact and opinion don't you.[/p][/quote]Yes and the here and now is a lot better than it was 24 months ago. That is in terms of attendances, look and feel of the stadium, financial situation and the squad. 1234566789
  • Score: 4

4:17pm Sun 4 May 14

SAHornet says...

You both make some decent, valid points but roger, for goodness sake learn how to debate without unnecessary abuse will you?
You both make some decent, valid points but roger, for goodness sake learn how to debate without unnecessary abuse will you? SAHornet
  • Score: 7

4:18pm Sun 4 May 14

SAHornet says...

Stoney77 wrote:
SAHornet wrote:
Whilst I and every Watford fan is appreciative of The Pozzos ownership and where we are off the field, let's get real here. On the field we are a complete shambles and as owners, it's up to The Pozzos to recognize where we are and what is necessary to rectify this. The Italian model doesn't work in our Championship.

We need players that don't give up at 80 minutes, an english speaking manager (not head-coach) that has serious input into recruitment, a strong captain that isn't a goalkeeper, at least 4 players that are tough, strong britishers and then but only then, a mix of international players with drive and flair to give a good, strong and balanced mix to the side. 2 quality keepers also required.

We simply don't have that at present and I'm hoping that The Pozzos will work hard on these points in the next few months and I do hope they start by firing Mr. Nani who in my mind is a total waste of space and money.

I hope that all true Watford fans enjoy your summer and try to put behind them what has been a most disappointing season. Go well, all.
I understand what you are saying but, taking a step back, should we not be extremely grateful that in the here and now, we, fans of the club, can regard your 'shopping list' as something which is reasonable, and not out of the question. In the past, we would never be expecting such things? The Pozzo reign has been a success so far. Last season was magical, this season average - made to feel even more average by the highs of last season which has altered our expectations.
There is not enough passion shown, not enough grit, but this has only been evident because we have not scored enough goals this season. Barring yesterday's slightly freakish result we had only conceded 2 more goals than last season so it's at the strikers end that we have essentially gone wrong this year. We showed just as little grit, steel and determination last year but we had Vydra and Abdi and we scored more. We've tried to play in a similar style this year but have not had those two all important cogs, and it hasn't worked but we've tried to continue with the same style. Finally just to add that I don't think that style is suited to the championship as there is not enough time on the ball and we get bullied out of games, so I guess a bit of an overhaul is needed and as you say a balance of flair and steel. A Wes Morgan alongside Angella, a no nonsense midfielder in the centre of the park and a bit more pace throughout the team.
COYH
Think we're more or less on the same wave-length here.
[quote][p][bold]Stoney77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAHornet[/bold] wrote: Whilst I and every Watford fan is appreciative of The Pozzos ownership and where we are off the field, let's get real here. On the field we are a complete shambles and as owners, it's up to The Pozzos to recognize where we are and what is necessary to rectify this. The Italian model doesn't work in our Championship. We need players that don't give up at 80 minutes, an english speaking manager (not head-coach) that has serious input into recruitment, a strong captain that isn't a goalkeeper, at least 4 players that are tough, strong britishers and then but only then, a mix of international players with drive and flair to give a good, strong and balanced mix to the side. 2 quality keepers also required. We simply don't have that at present and I'm hoping that The Pozzos will work hard on these points in the next few months and I do hope they start by firing Mr. Nani who in my mind is a total waste of space and money. I hope that all true Watford fans enjoy your summer and try to put behind them what has been a most disappointing season. Go well, all.[/p][/quote]I understand what you are saying but, taking a step back, should we not be extremely grateful that in the here and now, we, fans of the club, can regard your 'shopping list' as something which is reasonable, and not out of the question. In the past, we would never be expecting such things? The Pozzo reign has been a success so far. Last season was magical, this season average - made to feel even more average by the highs of last season which has altered our expectations. There is not enough passion shown, not enough grit, but this has only been evident because we have not scored enough goals this season. Barring yesterday's slightly freakish result we had only conceded 2 more goals than last season so it's at the strikers end that we have essentially gone wrong this year. We showed just as little grit, steel and determination last year but we had Vydra and Abdi and we scored more. We've tried to play in a similar style this year but have not had those two all important cogs, and it hasn't worked but we've tried to continue with the same style. Finally just to add that I don't think that style is suited to the championship as there is not enough time on the ball and we get bullied out of games, so I guess a bit of an overhaul is needed and as you say a balance of flair and steel. A Wes Morgan alongside Angella, a no nonsense midfielder in the centre of the park and a bit more pace throughout the team. COYH[/p][/quote]Think we're more or less on the same wave-length here. SAHornet
  • Score: 1

5:30pm Sun 4 May 14

Stoney77 says...

rogeruk wrote:
1234566789 wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
1234566789 wrote:
Let's get some perspective before we criticise the Pozzos and their model....

2 years ago we finished in 11th place with 64 points under Bassini and Dyche. The summer was a worry as we were on the brink of administration but had no real assets to sell after Graham, Cowie, Buckley and Sordell had all left over the last 12 months. Deeney was a nobody who would soon be getting a sentence at Her Majesty's. The East Stand had no real plans for development. We were averaging around 12,000 in attendance per game and the club was an absolute joke. We all feared the worst for the following season with the bookies making us among the favourites to get relegated to League 1.

Fast forward to now and we have finished two places lower, with four less points. However, we have an East Stand currently being built. We have 10,000 season tickets already sold for next season. We have Deeney as a top Championship striker who we might be able to keep, if not we can sell for £6m +. We have top players like Angella, Anya, Abdi and Forestieri all signed at the club. We are talking about what we need to do to improve and get promoted to the Premier League.

From the above, all I can say is that the Pozzos have entirely transformed our club. Maybe we just need to reign in our expectations a little bit and be thankful for where we are compared to where we could be.
Take of the Rose tinted glasses. My post is neither negative or positive, but
factual,. I express only two opinions which can be disagreed with!

Fact: On the management and playing side the Pozzos have screwed up big time.

Fact: The Pozzos are building a new stand!

Fact: Shaun Dyche was sacked without being given a chance.

Fact: Shaun Dyche is now a premier league manager.

Fact: Three seasons ago under the Bankrupt Bassini Watford got 64 points ( four more than season 2013/14 under Zola/Sannino)..

Fact: Season 2013/14 the club has had two managers neither has been a success finishing in
the bottom half of the championship table.

Fact: Small newly promoted club Bournemouth finished higher than Watford by 6 points on 66 points.

Fact: Leicester finished with 41 points more than Watford.

Fact: Watford managed 4 wins from 23 away games.

Fact: Watford got beat by 2 of the 3 of the relegated clubs to Division 1 namely; Yeovil and Doncaster.

Fact: Watford under Zola lost 5 consecutive home games making a new record (I think).

Fact: Sannino admits to losing the last four consecutive games saying this has never happened to him before.

Opinion: Timing has not gone to plan for the new stand, I suspect may not be ready for the new season.

Opinion: Almunia and Bond are great shot stoppers but weak on all other aspects of goalkeeping,
I believe Chamberlain has to go and two new keepers required one of premier standard and one of championship/league 1 standard.
Fact - Dyche and Burnley only managed 11th place last season with 60 points
Fact - Zola and Watford finished 8 places and 17 points above Dyche and Burnley last season
Fact - the Pozzos have got it largely right on the playing side - is our squad now not considerably better than 24 months ago?
Opinion - if Burnley kept a mid-table side together and with a couple do strong additions managed promotion the following season, why can't we?
Fact - you aren't saying anything by giving us all these facts that we already know
What are you a schoolboy?

We are talking about yesterday the here and now that is what counts, history cannot be changed. With your illogical argument you can quote what happened in any year, all of that is totally irrelevant to what is going on now.

Burnley have just got 95 points are you blind?

Understand why you call yourself 123456789, its because you can't remember how to count and need it written down to remind you.

Ridiculous arguments on your side no logic at at all.

Its your opinion the side is better now, if that's the case case how come Watford finished on 60 points yesterday, and in the season prior to the Pozzos took over under SD got 64 points.

You do know the difference between a fact and opinion don't you.
Re-read your post when you are sober, Roger. You may want to apologise to 123456789 for your un-necessarily patronising and derogatory comments.
You might also then notice the blatant hypocrisy emanating from your post too, but then again , you probably won't.
[quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]1234566789[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]1234566789[/bold] wrote: Let's get some perspective before we criticise the Pozzos and their model.... 2 years ago we finished in 11th place with 64 points under Bassini and Dyche. The summer was a worry as we were on the brink of administration but had no real assets to sell after Graham, Cowie, Buckley and Sordell had all left over the last 12 months. Deeney was a nobody who would soon be getting a sentence at Her Majesty's. The East Stand had no real plans for development. We were averaging around 12,000 in attendance per game and the club was an absolute joke. We all feared the worst for the following season with the bookies making us among the favourites to get relegated to League 1. Fast forward to now and we have finished two places lower, with four less points. However, we have an East Stand currently being built. We have 10,000 season tickets already sold for next season. We have Deeney as a top Championship striker who we might be able to keep, if not we can sell for £6m +. We have top players like Angella, Anya, Abdi and Forestieri all signed at the club. We are talking about what we need to do to improve and get promoted to the Premier League. From the above, all I can say is that the Pozzos have entirely transformed our club. Maybe we just need to reign in our expectations a little bit and be thankful for where we are compared to where we could be.[/p][/quote]Take of the Rose tinted glasses. My post is neither negative or positive, but factual,. I express only two opinions which can be disagreed with! Fact: On the management and playing side the Pozzos have screwed up big time. Fact: The Pozzos are building a new stand! Fact: Shaun Dyche was sacked without being given a chance. Fact: Shaun Dyche is now a premier league manager. Fact: Three seasons ago under the Bankrupt Bassini Watford got 64 points ( four more than season 2013/14 under Zola/Sannino).. Fact: Season 2013/14 the club has had two managers neither has been a success finishing in the bottom half of the championship table. Fact: Small newly promoted club Bournemouth finished higher than Watford by 6 points on 66 points. Fact: Leicester finished with 41 points more than Watford. Fact: Watford managed 4 wins from 23 away games. Fact: Watford got beat by 2 of the 3 of the relegated clubs to Division 1 namely; Yeovil and Doncaster. Fact: Watford under Zola lost 5 consecutive home games making a new record (I think). Fact: Sannino admits to losing the last four consecutive games saying this has never happened to him before. Opinion: Timing has not gone to plan for the new stand, I suspect may not be ready for the new season. Opinion: Almunia and Bond are great shot stoppers but weak on all other aspects of goalkeeping, I believe Chamberlain has to go and two new keepers required one of premier standard and one of championship/league 1 standard.[/p][/quote]Fact - Dyche and Burnley only managed 11th place last season with 60 points Fact - Zola and Watford finished 8 places and 17 points above Dyche and Burnley last season Fact - the Pozzos have got it largely right on the playing side - is our squad now not considerably better than 24 months ago? Opinion - if Burnley kept a mid-table side together and with a couple do strong additions managed promotion the following season, why can't we? Fact - you aren't saying anything by giving us all these facts that we already know[/p][/quote]What are you a schoolboy? We are talking about yesterday the here and now that is what counts, history cannot be changed. With your illogical argument you can quote what happened in any year, all of that is totally irrelevant to what is going on now. Burnley have just got 95 points are you blind? Understand why you call yourself 123456789, its because you can't remember how to count and need it written down to remind you. Ridiculous arguments on your side no logic at at all. Its your opinion the side is better now, if that's the case case how come Watford finished on 60 points yesterday, and in the season prior to the Pozzos took over under SD got 64 points. You do know the difference between a fact and opinion don't you.[/p][/quote]Re-read your post when you are sober, Roger. You may want to apologise to 123456789 for your un-necessarily patronising and derogatory comments. You might also then notice the blatant hypocrisy emanating from your post too, but then again , you probably won't. Stoney77
  • Score: 4

6:39pm Sun 4 May 14

longcliffe says...

Harrydownunder wrote:
longcliffe wrote:
Is it Beppe in this week or is he out this week?

You lot on here think his brilliant, then he is crap.

All I can say is KNOCKAERT was holding the Championship Trophy today and you lot were losing 4-1 at home to Huddersfield.
I call this the sweetest of all justices.
Look forward to being spanked by four or more every week next season ya mug!
Now that is what I mean. I sense just a tinge of envy going on here.

Your Udinese "B" team had their chance last season and couldn't get past Palace. At least your owners might be completing your ground so that it now can have 4 stands, not the embarrassment it is at present. Ten years with 3 stands, I ask you!!!
[quote][p][bold]Harrydownunder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]longcliffe[/bold] wrote: Is it Beppe in this week or is he out this week? You lot on here think his brilliant, then he is crap. All I can say is KNOCKAERT was holding the Championship Trophy today and you lot were losing 4-1 at home to Huddersfield. I call this the sweetest of all justices.[/p][/quote]Look forward to being spanked by four or more every week next season ya mug![/p][/quote]Now that is what I mean. I sense just a tinge of envy going on here. Your Udinese "B" team had their chance last season and couldn't get past Palace. At least your owners might be completing your ground so that it now can have 4 stands, not the embarrassment it is at present. Ten years with 3 stands, I ask you!!! longcliffe
  • Score: -3

6:47pm Sun 4 May 14

1234566789 says...

longcliffe wrote:
Harrydownunder wrote:
longcliffe wrote:
Is it Beppe in this week or is he out this week?

You lot on here think his brilliant, then he is crap.

All I can say is KNOCKAERT was holding the Championship Trophy today and you lot were losing 4-1 at home to Huddersfield.
I call this the sweetest of all justices.
Look forward to being spanked by four or more every week next season ya mug!
Now that is what I mean. I sense just a tinge of envy going on here.

Your Udinese "B" team had their chance last season and couldn't get past Palace. At least your owners might be completing your ground so that it now can have 4 stands, not the embarrassment it is at present. Ten years with 3 stands, I ask you!!!
Our 'Udinese B' team did manage to get past your lot though, right? Bit sad to have to come back to our site to gloat, just because we beat you last season.

Enjoy your season in the Prem. Hopefully FFP won't come back and bite you over your £34m losses this year and £25m spent on transfers over the last few
[quote][p][bold]longcliffe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harrydownunder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]longcliffe[/bold] wrote: Is it Beppe in this week or is he out this week? You lot on here think his brilliant, then he is crap. All I can say is KNOCKAERT was holding the Championship Trophy today and you lot were losing 4-1 at home to Huddersfield. I call this the sweetest of all justices.[/p][/quote]Look forward to being spanked by four or more every week next season ya mug![/p][/quote]Now that is what I mean. I sense just a tinge of envy going on here. Your Udinese "B" team had their chance last season and couldn't get past Palace. At least your owners might be completing your ground so that it now can have 4 stands, not the embarrassment it is at present. Ten years with 3 stands, I ask you!!![/p][/quote]Our 'Udinese B' team did manage to get past your lot though, right? Bit sad to have to come back to our site to gloat, just because we beat you last season. Enjoy your season in the Prem. Hopefully FFP won't come back and bite you over your £34m losses this year and £25m spent on transfers over the last few 1234566789
  • Score: 4

7:40pm Sun 4 May 14

longcliffe says...

1234566789 wrote:
longcliffe wrote:
Harrydownunder wrote:
longcliffe wrote:
Is it Beppe in this week or is he out this week?

You lot on here think his brilliant, then he is crap.

All I can say is KNOCKAERT was holding the Championship Trophy today and you lot were losing 4-1 at home to Huddersfield.
I call this the sweetest of all justices.
Look forward to being spanked by four or more every week next season ya mug!
Now that is what I mean. I sense just a tinge of envy going on here.

Your Udinese "B" team had their chance last season and couldn't get past Palace. At least your owners might be completing your ground so that it now can have 4 stands, not the embarrassment it is at present. Ten years with 3 stands, I ask you!!!
Our 'Udinese B' team did manage to get past your lot though, right? Bit sad to have to come back to our site to gloat, just because we beat you last season.

Enjoy your season in the Prem. Hopefully FFP won't come back and bite you over your £34m losses this year and £25m spent on transfers over the last few
Why is this "your" site? Is this site for the exclusivity of Watford fans?

Do not worry about FPP we do not have any debts. And of course another £125m plus. I suppose any of your half decent players will be leaving.

And I am not gloating unlike your fans last year when you celebrated far too soon.
[quote][p][bold]1234566789[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]longcliffe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harrydownunder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]longcliffe[/bold] wrote: Is it Beppe in this week or is he out this week? You lot on here think his brilliant, then he is crap. All I can say is KNOCKAERT was holding the Championship Trophy today and you lot were losing 4-1 at home to Huddersfield. I call this the sweetest of all justices.[/p][/quote]Look forward to being spanked by four or more every week next season ya mug![/p][/quote]Now that is what I mean. I sense just a tinge of envy going on here. Your Udinese "B" team had their chance last season and couldn't get past Palace. At least your owners might be completing your ground so that it now can have 4 stands, not the embarrassment it is at present. Ten years with 3 stands, I ask you!!![/p][/quote]Our 'Udinese B' team did manage to get past your lot though, right? Bit sad to have to come back to our site to gloat, just because we beat you last season. Enjoy your season in the Prem. Hopefully FFP won't come back and bite you over your £34m losses this year and £25m spent on transfers over the last few[/p][/quote]Why is this "your" site? Is this site for the exclusivity of Watford fans? Do not worry about FPP we do not have any debts. And of course another £125m plus. I suppose any of your half decent players will be leaving. And I am not gloating unlike your fans last year when you celebrated far too soon. longcliffe
  • Score: -5

7:56pm Sun 4 May 14

Ramageland says...

Of course it's not only for Watford fans but it is very odd that such a loyal Leicester fan would spend ages on a Watford focused website. I would never even consider going on another team's local rag web page and commenting - the only team I care about is my own. Are you really so lonely and friendless?
Of course it's not only for Watford fans but it is very odd that such a loyal Leicester fan would spend ages on a Watford focused website. I would never even consider going on another team's local rag web page and commenting - the only team I care about is my own. Are you really so lonely and friendless? Ramageland
  • Score: 3

8:04pm Sun 4 May 14

longcliffe says...

Perhaps you don't like hearing the truth. Wasn't your team abject yesterday and for most of the season?
I do not spend ages on here this only takes a few seconds, and I am not lonely or friendless. Thanks for asking
Perhaps you don't like hearing the truth. Wasn't your team abject yesterday and for most of the season? I do not spend ages on here this only takes a few seconds, and I am not lonely or friendless. Thanks for asking longcliffe
  • Score: -5

8:31pm Sun 4 May 14

Ramageland says...

longcliffe wrote:
Perhaps you don't like hearing the truth. Wasn't your team abject yesterday and for most of the season?
I do not spend ages on here this only takes a few seconds, and I am not lonely or friendless. Thanks for asking
What truth? I know they were abject, I was there - I would quite happily see lots of them gone this summer, but there were probably lots of abject performances across the leagues yesterday - it happens in football. I'm just not sure why you want to comment on here. I couldn't care less about any other team in the 4 leagues, but you seem unhealthily obsessed with us. I live in Reading these days but couldn't name one of their players.

And I have never gloated after a win and nor do 99% of fans on here, so using that as justification seems a bit lame.
[quote][p][bold]longcliffe[/bold] wrote: Perhaps you don't like hearing the truth. Wasn't your team abject yesterday and for most of the season? I do not spend ages on here this only takes a few seconds, and I am not lonely or friendless. Thanks for asking[/p][/quote]What truth? I know they were abject, I was there - I would quite happily see lots of them gone this summer, but there were probably lots of abject performances across the leagues yesterday - it happens in football. I'm just not sure why you want to comment on here. I couldn't care less about any other team in the 4 leagues, but you seem unhealthily obsessed with us. I live in Reading these days but couldn't name one of their players. And I have never gloated after a win and nor do 99% of fans on here, so using that as justification seems a bit lame. Ramageland
  • Score: 2

8:49pm Sun 4 May 14

BryantheOrn says...

longcliffe wrote:
Is it Beppe in this week or is he out this week?

You lot on here think his brilliant, then he is crap.

All I can say is KNOCKAERT was holding the Championship Trophy today and you lot were losing 4-1 at home to Huddersfield.
I call this the sweetest of all justices.
Told you before you poor lost soul, if you need friends, try the Samaritans.
[quote][p][bold]longcliffe[/bold] wrote: Is it Beppe in this week or is he out this week? You lot on here think his brilliant, then he is crap. All I can say is KNOCKAERT was holding the Championship Trophy today and you lot were losing 4-1 at home to Huddersfield. I call this the sweetest of all justices.[/p][/quote]Told you before you poor lost soul, if you need friends, try the Samaritans. BryantheOrn
  • Score: 1

8:51pm Sun 4 May 14

BryantheOrn says...

ramage1996 wrote:
Growing up supporting Watford I think us having a chance of reaching the play offs in the second tier with three games to go would be seen as a good season..

Looking at that new stand being built, the money spent on training pitches and having owners that actually seem to care and not want to mug the club off after we have had the likes of Petchey and Bassini, I think fans should have a bit of perspective when they moan on here.
Well said Ramage, best post on here. Lets end it on your comment, watch the World Cup and get your season tickets for next season.
[quote][p][bold]ramage1996[/bold] wrote: Growing up supporting Watford I think us having a chance of reaching the play offs in the second tier with three games to go would be seen as a good season.. Looking at that new stand being built, the money spent on training pitches and having owners that actually seem to care and not want to mug the club off after we have had the likes of Petchey and Bassini, I think fans should have a bit of perspective when they moan on here.[/p][/quote]Well said Ramage, best post on here. Lets end it on your comment, watch the World Cup and get your season tickets for next season. BryantheOrn
  • Score: 0

8:54pm Sun 4 May 14

84AGAIN says...

As I left Wembley last year I had the strongest feeling that a great chance had come and gone and that it would be really hard to create that chance again. What we had with Zola up until the last few games of last season was terrific momentum with the sense of a real "team" with a strong core of players and the knowledge that if the opposition scored 3 we would score 4. That feeling has totally disappeared this year along with any sense of continuity. If any major changes happen in the summer at least let us end up with a a central core of players along with a common aim and sense of loyalty rather than a squad of temporary loans, players on their last shakes and those needing somewhere to keep them fresh. So many things off the pitch are good news, lets get a team that at least recognises each other from match to match. Just look what Dyche has done with next to nothing. Onwards and upwards next year.
As I left Wembley last year I had the strongest feeling that a great chance had come and gone and that it would be really hard to create that chance again. What we had with Zola up until the last few games of last season was terrific momentum with the sense of a real "team" with a strong core of players and the knowledge that if the opposition scored 3 we would score 4. That feeling has totally disappeared this year along with any sense of continuity. If any major changes happen in the summer at least let us end up with a a central core of players along with a common aim and sense of loyalty rather than a squad of temporary loans, players on their last shakes and those needing somewhere to keep them fresh. So many things off the pitch are good news, lets get a team that at least recognises each other from match to match. Just look what Dyche has done with next to nothing. Onwards and upwards next year. 84AGAIN
  • Score: 4

8:58pm Sun 4 May 14

BryantheOrn says...

rogeruk wrote:
1234566789 wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
1234566789 wrote:
Let's get some perspective before we criticise the Pozzos and their model....

2 years ago we finished in 11th place with 64 points under Bassini and Dyche. The summer was a worry as we were on the brink of administration but had no real assets to sell after Graham, Cowie, Buckley and Sordell had all left over the last 12 months. Deeney was a nobody who would soon be getting a sentence at Her Majesty's. The East Stand had no real plans for development. We were averaging around 12,000 in attendance per game and the club was an absolute joke. We all feared the worst for the following season with the bookies making us among the favourites to get relegated to League 1.

Fast forward to now and we have finished two places lower, with four less points. However, we have an East Stand currently being built. We have 10,000 season tickets already sold for next season. We have Deeney as a top Championship striker who we might be able to keep, if not we can sell for £6m +. We have top players like Angella, Anya, Abdi and Forestieri all signed at the club. We are talking about what we need to do to improve and get promoted to the Premier League.

From the above, all I can say is that the Pozzos have entirely transformed our club. Maybe we just need to reign in our expectations a little bit and be thankful for where we are compared to where we could be.
Take of the Rose tinted glasses. My post is neither negative or positive, but
factual,. I express only two opinions which can be disagreed with!

Fact: On the management and playing side the Pozzos have screwed up big time.

Fact: The Pozzos are building a new stand!

Fact: Shaun Dyche was sacked without being given a chance.

Fact: Shaun Dyche is now a premier league manager.

Fact: Three seasons ago under the Bankrupt Bassini Watford got 64 points ( four more than season 2013/14 under Zola/Sannino)..

Fact: Season 2013/14 the club has had two managers neither has been a success finishing in
the bottom half of the championship table.

Fact: Small newly promoted club Bournemouth finished higher than Watford by 6 points on 66 points.

Fact: Leicester finished with 41 points more than Watford.

Fact: Watford managed 4 wins from 23 away games.

Fact: Watford got beat by 2 of the 3 of the relegated clubs to Division 1 namely; Yeovil and Doncaster.

Fact: Watford under Zola lost 5 consecutive home games making a new record (I think).

Fact: Sannino admits to losing the last four consecutive games saying this has never happened to him before.

Opinion: Timing has not gone to plan for the new stand, I suspect may not be ready for the new season.

Opinion: Almunia and Bond are great shot stoppers but weak on all other aspects of goalkeeping,
I believe Chamberlain has to go and two new keepers required one of premier standard and one of championship/league 1 standard.
Fact - Dyche and Burnley only managed 11th place last season with 60 points
Fact - Zola and Watford finished 8 places and 17 points above Dyche and Burnley last season
Fact - the Pozzos have got it largely right on the playing side - is our squad now not considerably better than 24 months ago?
Opinion - if Burnley kept a mid-table side together and with a couple do strong additions managed promotion the following season, why can't we?
Fact - you aren't saying anything by giving us all these facts that we already know
What are you a schoolboy?

We are talking about yesterday the here and now that is what counts, history cannot be changed. With your illogical argument you can quote what happened in any year, all of that is totally irrelevant to what is going on now.

Burnley have just got 95 points are you blind?

Understand why you call yourself 123456789, its because you can't remember how to count and need it written down to remind you.

Ridiculous arguments on your side no logic at at all.

Its your opinion the side is better now, if that's the case case how come Watford finished on 60 points yesterday, and in the season prior to the Pozzos took over under SD got 64 points.

You do know the difference between a fact and opinion don't you.
Shutup Roger, 1234566789 has slaughtered you.
[quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]1234566789[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]1234566789[/bold] wrote: Let's get some perspective before we criticise the Pozzos and their model.... 2 years ago we finished in 11th place with 64 points under Bassini and Dyche. The summer was a worry as we were on the brink of administration but had no real assets to sell after Graham, Cowie, Buckley and Sordell had all left over the last 12 months. Deeney was a nobody who would soon be getting a sentence at Her Majesty's. The East Stand had no real plans for development. We were averaging around 12,000 in attendance per game and the club was an absolute joke. We all feared the worst for the following season with the bookies making us among the favourites to get relegated to League 1. Fast forward to now and we have finished two places lower, with four less points. However, we have an East Stand currently being built. We have 10,000 season tickets already sold for next season. We have Deeney as a top Championship striker who we might be able to keep, if not we can sell for £6m +. We have top players like Angella, Anya, Abdi and Forestieri all signed at the club. We are talking about what we need to do to improve and get promoted to the Premier League. From the above, all I can say is that the Pozzos have entirely transformed our club. Maybe we just need to reign in our expectations a little bit and be thankful for where we are compared to where we could be.[/p][/quote]Take of the Rose tinted glasses. My post is neither negative or positive, but factual,. I express only two opinions which can be disagreed with! Fact: On the management and playing side the Pozzos have screwed up big time. Fact: The Pozzos are building a new stand! Fact: Shaun Dyche was sacked without being given a chance. Fact: Shaun Dyche is now a premier league manager. Fact: Three seasons ago under the Bankrupt Bassini Watford got 64 points ( four more than season 2013/14 under Zola/Sannino).. Fact: Season 2013/14 the club has had two managers neither has been a success finishing in the bottom half of the championship table. Fact: Small newly promoted club Bournemouth finished higher than Watford by 6 points on 66 points. Fact: Leicester finished with 41 points more than Watford. Fact: Watford managed 4 wins from 23 away games. Fact: Watford got beat by 2 of the 3 of the relegated clubs to Division 1 namely; Yeovil and Doncaster. Fact: Watford under Zola lost 5 consecutive home games making a new record (I think). Fact: Sannino admits to losing the last four consecutive games saying this has never happened to him before. Opinion: Timing has not gone to plan for the new stand, I suspect may not be ready for the new season. Opinion: Almunia and Bond are great shot stoppers but weak on all other aspects of goalkeeping, I believe Chamberlain has to go and two new keepers required one of premier standard and one of championship/league 1 standard.[/p][/quote]Fact - Dyche and Burnley only managed 11th place last season with 60 points Fact - Zola and Watford finished 8 places and 17 points above Dyche and Burnley last season Fact - the Pozzos have got it largely right on the playing side - is our squad now not considerably better than 24 months ago? Opinion - if Burnley kept a mid-table side together and with a couple do strong additions managed promotion the following season, why can't we? Fact - you aren't saying anything by giving us all these facts that we already know[/p][/quote]What are you a schoolboy? We are talking about yesterday the here and now that is what counts, history cannot be changed. With your illogical argument you can quote what happened in any year, all of that is totally irrelevant to what is going on now. Burnley have just got 95 points are you blind? Understand why you call yourself 123456789, its because you can't remember how to count and need it written down to remind you. Ridiculous arguments on your side no logic at at all. Its your opinion the side is better now, if that's the case case how come Watford finished on 60 points yesterday, and in the season prior to the Pozzos took over under SD got 64 points. You do know the difference between a fact and opinion don't you.[/p][/quote]Shutup Roger, 1234566789 has slaughtered you. BryantheOrn
  • Score: 3

9:21pm Sun 4 May 14

Bushey hornet says...

The last three games haven't been good enough. But, with nothing to play for in ' dead rubber' games it's hard to get yourself up for these games.
Having said that, I did expect a payback (on Saturday) for the previous games.
My man of the match was 'Harry theHornet' who was the most entertaining.
Which doesn't say a lot for the match itself!
I say back Saninno, at home he's been great, not so great away. But he will learn from this 'half' season and come back stronger next season.
Get behind the gaffa and the pozzos, next season will be better with more stability.
The last three games haven't been good enough. But, with nothing to play for in ' dead rubber' games it's hard to get yourself up for these games. Having said that, I did expect a payback (on Saturday) for the previous games. My man of the match was 'Harry theHornet' who was the most entertaining. Which doesn't say a lot for the match itself! I say back Saninno, at home he's been great, not so great away. But he will learn from this 'half' season and come back stronger next season. Get behind the gaffa and the pozzos, next season will be better with more stability. Bushey hornet
  • Score: -1

9:45pm Sun 4 May 14

hursthill says...

longcliffe wrote:
Perhaps you don't like hearing the truth. Wasn't your team abject yesterday and for most of the season?
I do not spend ages on here this only takes a few seconds, and I am not lonely or friendless. Thanks for asking
I look forward to having a discussion with you & Leicester fans next season on the Leicester Mercury comments section. I promise it will be entertaining.
[quote][p][bold]longcliffe[/bold] wrote: Perhaps you don't like hearing the truth. Wasn't your team abject yesterday and for most of the season? I do not spend ages on here this only takes a few seconds, and I am not lonely or friendless. Thanks for asking[/p][/quote]I look forward to having a discussion with you & Leicester fans next season on the Leicester Mercury comments section. I promise it will be entertaining. hursthill
  • Score: 2

10:44pm Sun 4 May 14

stiffler99 says...

1234566789 wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
1234566789 wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
1234566789 wrote:
Let's get some perspective before we criticise the Pozzos and their model....

2 years ago we finished in 11th place with 64 points under Bassini and Dyche. The summer was a worry as we were on the brink of administration but had no real assets to sell after Graham, Cowie, Buckley and Sordell had all left over the last 12 months. Deeney was a nobody who would soon be getting a sentence at Her Majesty's. The East Stand had no real plans for development. We were averaging around 12,000 in attendance per game and the club was an absolute joke. We all feared the worst for the following season with the bookies making us among the favourites to get relegated to League 1.

Fast forward to now and we have finished two places lower, with four less points. However, we have an East Stand currently being built. We have 10,000 season tickets already sold for next season. We have Deeney as a top Championship striker who we might be able to keep, if not we can sell for £6m +. We have top players like Angella, Anya, Abdi and Forestieri all signed at the club. We are talking about what we need to do to improve and get promoted to the Premier League.

From the above, all I can say is that the Pozzos have entirely transformed our club. Maybe we just need to reign in our expectations a little bit and be thankful for where we are compared to where we could be.
Take of the Rose tinted glasses. My post is neither negative or positive, but
factual,. I express only two opinions which can be disagreed with!

Fact: On the management and playing side the Pozzos have screwed up big time.

Fact: The Pozzos are building a new stand!

Fact: Shaun Dyche was sacked without being given a chance.

Fact: Shaun Dyche is now a premier league manager.

Fact: Three seasons ago under the Bankrupt Bassini Watford got 64 points ( four more than season 2013/14 under Zola/Sannino)..

Fact: Season 2013/14 the club has had two managers neither has been a success finishing in
the bottom half of the championship table.

Fact: Small newly promoted club Bournemouth finished higher than Watford by 6 points on 66 points.

Fact: Leicester finished with 41 points more than Watford.

Fact: Watford managed 4 wins from 23 away games.

Fact: Watford got beat by 2 of the 3 of the relegated clubs to Division 1 namely; Yeovil and Doncaster.

Fact: Watford under Zola lost 5 consecutive home games making a new record (I think).

Fact: Sannino admits to losing the last four consecutive games saying this has never happened to him before.

Opinion: Timing has not gone to plan for the new stand, I suspect may not be ready for the new season.

Opinion: Almunia and Bond are great shot stoppers but weak on all other aspects of goalkeeping,
I believe Chamberlain has to go and two new keepers required one of premier standard and one of championship/league 1 standard.
Fact - Dyche and Burnley only managed 11th place last season with 60 points
Fact - Zola and Watford finished 8 places and 17 points above Dyche and Burnley last season
Fact - the Pozzos have got it largely right on the playing side - is our squad now not considerably better than 24 months ago?
Opinion - if Burnley kept a mid-table side together and with a couple do strong additions managed promotion the following season, why can't we?
Fact - you aren't saying anything by giving us all these facts that we already know
What are you a schoolboy?

We are talking about yesterday the here and now that is what counts, history cannot be changed. With your illogical argument you can quote what happened in any year, all of that is totally irrelevant to what is going on now.

Burnley have just got 95 points are you blind?

Understand why you call yourself 123456789, its because you can't remember how to count and need it written down to remind you.

Ridiculous arguments on your side no logic at at all.

Its your opinion the side is better now, if that's the case case how come Watford finished on 60 points yesterday, and in the season prior to the Pozzos took over under SD got 64 points.

You do know the difference between a fact and opinion don't you.
Yes and the here and now is a lot better than it was 24 months ago. That is in terms of attendances, look and feel of the stadium, financial situation and the squad.
You are not so clever roger or else you would know that he is 1234566789 and not 123456789
[quote][p][bold]1234566789[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]1234566789[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]1234566789[/bold] wrote: Let's get some perspective before we criticise the Pozzos and their model.... 2 years ago we finished in 11th place with 64 points under Bassini and Dyche. The summer was a worry as we were on the brink of administration but had no real assets to sell after Graham, Cowie, Buckley and Sordell had all left over the last 12 months. Deeney was a nobody who would soon be getting a sentence at Her Majesty's. The East Stand had no real plans for development. We were averaging around 12,000 in attendance per game and the club was an absolute joke. We all feared the worst for the following season with the bookies making us among the favourites to get relegated to League 1. Fast forward to now and we have finished two places lower, with four less points. However, we have an East Stand currently being built. We have 10,000 season tickets already sold for next season. We have Deeney as a top Championship striker who we might be able to keep, if not we can sell for £6m +. We have top players like Angella, Anya, Abdi and Forestieri all signed at the club. We are talking about what we need to do to improve and get promoted to the Premier League. From the above, all I can say is that the Pozzos have entirely transformed our club. Maybe we just need to reign in our expectations a little bit and be thankful for where we are compared to where we could be.[/p][/quote]Take of the Rose tinted glasses. My post is neither negative or positive, but factual,. I express only two opinions which can be disagreed with! Fact: On the management and playing side the Pozzos have screwed up big time. Fact: The Pozzos are building a new stand! Fact: Shaun Dyche was sacked without being given a chance. Fact: Shaun Dyche is now a premier league manager. Fact: Three seasons ago under the Bankrupt Bassini Watford got 64 points ( four more than season 2013/14 under Zola/Sannino).. Fact: Season 2013/14 the club has had two managers neither has been a success finishing in the bottom half of the championship table. Fact: Small newly promoted club Bournemouth finished higher than Watford by 6 points on 66 points. Fact: Leicester finished with 41 points more than Watford. Fact: Watford managed 4 wins from 23 away games. Fact: Watford got beat by 2 of the 3 of the relegated clubs to Division 1 namely; Yeovil and Doncaster. Fact: Watford under Zola lost 5 consecutive home games making a new record (I think). Fact: Sannino admits to losing the last four consecutive games saying this has never happened to him before. Opinion: Timing has not gone to plan for the new stand, I suspect may not be ready for the new season. Opinion: Almunia and Bond are great shot stoppers but weak on all other aspects of goalkeeping, I believe Chamberlain has to go and two new keepers required one of premier standard and one of championship/league 1 standard.[/p][/quote]Fact - Dyche and Burnley only managed 11th place last season with 60 points Fact - Zola and Watford finished 8 places and 17 points above Dyche and Burnley last season Fact - the Pozzos have got it largely right on the playing side - is our squad now not considerably better than 24 months ago? Opinion - if Burnley kept a mid-table side together and with a couple do strong additions managed promotion the following season, why can't we? Fact - you aren't saying anything by giving us all these facts that we already know[/p][/quote]What are you a schoolboy? We are talking about yesterday the here and now that is what counts, history cannot be changed. With your illogical argument you can quote what happened in any year, all of that is totally irrelevant to what is going on now. Burnley have just got 95 points are you blind? Understand why you call yourself 123456789, its because you can't remember how to count and need it written down to remind you. Ridiculous arguments on your side no logic at at all. Its your opinion the side is better now, if that's the case case how come Watford finished on 60 points yesterday, and in the season prior to the Pozzos took over under SD got 64 points. You do know the difference between a fact and opinion don't you.[/p][/quote]Yes and the here and now is a lot better than it was 24 months ago. That is in terms of attendances, look and feel of the stadium, financial situation and the squad.[/p][/quote]You are not so clever roger or else you would know that he is 1234566789 and not 123456789 stiffler99
  • Score: 1

1:08am Mon 5 May 14

rogeruk says...

stiffler99 wrote:
1234566789 wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
1234566789 wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
1234566789 wrote:
Let's get some perspective before we criticise the Pozzos and their model....

2 years ago we finished in 11th place with 64 points under Bassini and Dyche. The summer was a worry as we were on the brink of administration but had no real assets to sell after Graham, Cowie, Buckley and Sordell had all left over the last 12 months. Deeney was a nobody who would soon be getting a sentence at Her Majesty's. The East Stand had no real plans for development. We were averaging around 12,000 in attendance per game and the club was an absolute joke. We all feared the worst for the following season with the bookies making us among the favourites to get relegated to League 1.

Fast forward to now and we have finished two places lower, with four less points. However, we have an East Stand currently being built. We have 10,000 season tickets already sold for next season. We have Deeney as a top Championship striker who we might be able to keep, if not we can sell for £6m +. We have top players like Angella, Anya, Abdi and Forestieri all signed at the club. We are talking about what we need to do to improve and get promoted to the Premier League.

From the above, all I can say is that the Pozzos have entirely transformed our club. Maybe we just need to reign in our expectations a little bit and be thankful for where we are compared to where we could be.
Take of the Rose tinted glasses. My post is neither negative or positive, but
factual,. I express only two opinions which can be disagreed with!

Fact: On the management and playing side the Pozzos have screwed up big time.

Fact: The Pozzos are building a new stand!

Fact: Shaun Dyche was sacked without being given a chance.

Fact: Shaun Dyche is now a premier league manager.

Fact: Three seasons ago under the Bankrupt Bassini Watford got 64 points ( four more than season 2013/14 under Zola/Sannino)..

Fact: Season 2013/14 the club has had two managers neither has been a success finishing in
the bottom half of the championship table.

Fact: Small newly promoted club Bournemouth finished higher than Watford by 6 points on 66 points.

Fact: Leicester finished with 41 points more than Watford.

Fact: Watford managed 4 wins from 23 away games.

Fact: Watford got beat by 2 of the 3 of the relegated clubs to Division 1 namely; Yeovil and Doncaster.

Fact: Watford under Zola lost 5 consecutive home games making a new record (I think).

Fact: Sannino admits to losing the last four consecutive games saying this has never happened to him before.

Opinion: Timing has not gone to plan for the new stand, I suspect may not be ready for the new season.

Opinion: Almunia and Bond are great shot stoppers but weak on all other aspects of goalkeeping,
I believe Chamberlain has to go and two new keepers required one of premier standard and one of championship/league 1 standard.
Fact - Dyche and Burnley only managed 11th place last season with 60 points
Fact - Zola and Watford finished 8 places and 17 points above Dyche and Burnley last season
Fact - the Pozzos have got it largely right on the playing side - is our squad now not considerably better than 24 months ago?
Opinion - if Burnley kept a mid-table side together and with a couple do strong additions managed promotion the following season, why can't we?
Fact - you aren't saying anything by giving us all these facts that we already know
What are you a schoolboy?

We are talking about yesterday the here and now that is what counts, history cannot be changed. With your illogical argument you can quote what happened in any year, all of that is totally irrelevant to what is going on now.

Burnley have just got 95 points are you blind?

Understand why you call yourself 123456789, its because you can't remember how to count and need it written down to remind you.

Ridiculous arguments on your side no logic at at all.

Its your opinion the side is better now, if that's the case case how come Watford finished on 60 points yesterday, and in the season prior to the Pozzos took over under SD got 64 points.

You do know the difference between a fact and opinion don't you.
Yes and the here and now is a lot better than it was 24 months ago. That is in terms of attendances, look and feel of the stadium, financial situation and the squad.
You are not so clever roger or else you would know that he is 1234566789 and not 123456789
Stick to the subject in question and don't be a pedantic prat.
[quote][p][bold]stiffler99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]1234566789[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]1234566789[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]1234566789[/bold] wrote: Let's get some perspective before we criticise the Pozzos and their model.... 2 years ago we finished in 11th place with 64 points under Bassini and Dyche. The summer was a worry as we were on the brink of administration but had no real assets to sell after Graham, Cowie, Buckley and Sordell had all left over the last 12 months. Deeney was a nobody who would soon be getting a sentence at Her Majesty's. The East Stand had no real plans for development. We were averaging around 12,000 in attendance per game and the club was an absolute joke. We all feared the worst for the following season with the bookies making us among the favourites to get relegated to League 1. Fast forward to now and we have finished two places lower, with four less points. However, we have an East Stand currently being built. We have 10,000 season tickets already sold for next season. We have Deeney as a top Championship striker who we might be able to keep, if not we can sell for £6m +. We have top players like Angella, Anya, Abdi and Forestieri all signed at the club. We are talking about what we need to do to improve and get promoted to the Premier League. From the above, all I can say is that the Pozzos have entirely transformed our club. Maybe we just need to reign in our expectations a little bit and be thankful for where we are compared to where we could be.[/p][/quote]Take of the Rose tinted glasses. My post is neither negative or positive, but factual,. I express only two opinions which can be disagreed with! Fact: On the management and playing side the Pozzos have screwed up big time. Fact: The Pozzos are building a new stand! Fact: Shaun Dyche was sacked without being given a chance. Fact: Shaun Dyche is now a premier league manager. Fact: Three seasons ago under the Bankrupt Bassini Watford got 64 points ( four more than season 2013/14 under Zola/Sannino).. Fact: Season 2013/14 the club has had two managers neither has been a success finishing in the bottom half of the championship table. Fact: Small newly promoted club Bournemouth finished higher than Watford by 6 points on 66 points. Fact: Leicester finished with 41 points more than Watford. Fact: Watford managed 4 wins from 23 away games. Fact: Watford got beat by 2 of the 3 of the relegated clubs to Division 1 namely; Yeovil and Doncaster. Fact: Watford under Zola lost 5 consecutive home games making a new record (I think). Fact: Sannino admits to losing the last four consecutive games saying this has never happened to him before. Opinion: Timing has not gone to plan for the new stand, I suspect may not be ready for the new season. Opinion: Almunia and Bond are great shot stoppers but weak on all other aspects of goalkeeping, I believe Chamberlain has to go and two new keepers required one of premier standard and one of championship/league 1 standard.[/p][/quote]Fact - Dyche and Burnley only managed 11th place last season with 60 points Fact - Zola and Watford finished 8 places and 17 points above Dyche and Burnley last season Fact - the Pozzos have got it largely right on the playing side - is our squad now not considerably better than 24 months ago? Opinion - if Burnley kept a mid-table side together and with a couple do strong additions managed promotion the following season, why can't we? Fact - you aren't saying anything by giving us all these facts that we already know[/p][/quote]What are you a schoolboy? We are talking about yesterday the here and now that is what counts, history cannot be changed. With your illogical argument you can quote what happened in any year, all of that is totally irrelevant to what is going on now. Burnley have just got 95 points are you blind? Understand why you call yourself 123456789, its because you can't remember how to count and need it written down to remind you. Ridiculous arguments on your side no logic at at all. Its your opinion the side is better now, if that's the case case how come Watford finished on 60 points yesterday, and in the season prior to the Pozzos took over under SD got 64 points. You do know the difference between a fact and opinion don't you.[/p][/quote]Yes and the here and now is a lot better than it was 24 months ago. That is in terms of attendances, look and feel of the stadium, financial situation and the squad.[/p][/quote]You are not so clever roger or else you would know that he is 1234566789 and not 123456789[/p][/quote]Stick to the subject in question and don't be a pedantic prat. rogeruk
  • Score: -2

9:40am Mon 5 May 14

corbindallas says...

Jeez so because we have a 4 sided stadium and a better squad than last year (questionable on the end position) 10k season ticket holders for next season better finances and stability and are investing in a new training pitch, I should be content with a mid table finish! On your bike mate, I want trophies, I want Prem football, I want lots of wins home and away, I want Watford to be a team feared by all other clubs, I want to go on holiday and not get asked who are they when asked by, Turks, Spanish, Cubans or Mexicans when I tell them my team is WATFORD! Now is that really to much to ask for?
Jeez so because we have a 4 sided stadium and a better squad than last year (questionable on the end position) 10k season ticket holders for next season better finances and stability and are investing in a new training pitch, I should be content with a mid table finish! On your bike mate, I want trophies, I want Prem football, I want lots of wins home and away, I want Watford to be a team feared by all other clubs, I want to go on holiday and not get asked who are they when asked by, Turks, Spanish, Cubans or Mexicans when I tell them my team is WATFORD! Now is that really to much to ask for? corbindallas
  • Score: 3

9:56am Mon 5 May 14

Hornet Cornet says...

1234566789 wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
1234566789 wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
1234566789 wrote:
Let's get some perspective before we criticise the Pozzos and their model....

2 years ago we finished in 11th place with 64 points under Bassini and Dyche. The summer was a worry as we were on the brink of administration but had no real assets to sell after Graham, Cowie, Buckley and Sordell had all left over the last 12 months. Deeney was a nobody who would soon be getting a sentence at Her Majesty's. The East Stand had no real plans for development. We were averaging around 12,000 in attendance per game and the club was an absolute joke. We all feared the worst for the following season with the bookies making us among the favourites to get relegated to League 1.

Fast forward to now and we have finished two places lower, with four less points. However, we have an East Stand currently being built. We have 10,000 season tickets already sold for next season. We have Deeney as a top Championship striker who we might be able to keep, if not we can sell for £6m +. We have top players like Angella, Anya, Abdi and Forestieri all signed at the club. We are talking about what we need to do to improve and get promoted to the Premier League.

From the above, all I can say is that the Pozzos have entirely transformed our club. Maybe we just need to reign in our expectations a little bit and be thankful for where we are compared to where we could be.
Take of the Rose tinted glasses. My post is neither negative or positive, but
factual,. I express only two opinions which can be disagreed with!

Fact: On the management and playing side the Pozzos have screwed up big time.

Fact: The Pozzos are building a new stand!

Fact: Shaun Dyche was sacked without being given a chance.

Fact: Shaun Dyche is now a premier league manager.

Fact: Three seasons ago under the Bankrupt Bassini Watford got 64 points ( four more than season 2013/14 under Zola/Sannino)..

Fact: Season 2013/14 the club has had two managers neither has been a success finishing in
the bottom half of the championship table.

Fact: Small newly promoted club Bournemouth finished higher than Watford by 6 points on 66 points.

Fact: Leicester finished with 41 points more than Watford.

Fact: Watford managed 4 wins from 23 away games.

Fact: Watford got beat by 2 of the 3 of the relegated clubs to Division 1 namely; Yeovil and Doncaster.

Fact: Watford under Zola lost 5 consecutive home games making a new record (I think).

Fact: Sannino admits to losing the last four consecutive games saying this has never happened to him before.

Opinion: Timing has not gone to plan for the new stand, I suspect may not be ready for the new season.

Opinion: Almunia and Bond are great shot stoppers but weak on all other aspects of goalkeeping,
I believe Chamberlain has to go and two new keepers required one of premier standard and one of championship/league 1 standard.
Fact - Dyche and Burnley only managed 11th place last season with 60 points
Fact - Zola and Watford finished 8 places and 17 points above Dyche and Burnley last season
Fact - the Pozzos have got it largely right on the playing side - is our squad now not considerably better than 24 months ago?
Opinion - if Burnley kept a mid-table side together and with a couple do strong additions managed promotion the following season, why can't we?
Fact - you aren't saying anything by giving us all these facts that we already know
What are you a schoolboy?

We are talking about yesterday the here and now that is what counts, history cannot be changed. With your illogical argument you can quote what happened in any year, all of that is totally irrelevant to what is going on now.

Burnley have just got 95 points are you blind?

Understand why you call yourself 123456789, its because you can't remember how to count and need it written down to remind you.

Ridiculous arguments on your side no logic at at all.

Its your opinion the side is better now, if that's the case case how come Watford finished on 60 points yesterday, and in the season prior to the Pozzos took over under SD got 64 points.

You do know the difference between a fact and opinion don't you.
Yes and the here and now is a lot better than it was 24 months ago. That is in terms of attendances, look and feel of the stadium, financial situation and the squad.
There is only so long the Watford fans will be positive for. If things get even worse on the pitch, the booing will start again. Just stating facts my friends.
[quote][p][bold]1234566789[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]1234566789[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]1234566789[/bold] wrote: Let's get some perspective before we criticise the Pozzos and their model.... 2 years ago we finished in 11th place with 64 points under Bassini and Dyche. The summer was a worry as we were on the brink of administration but had no real assets to sell after Graham, Cowie, Buckley and Sordell had all left over the last 12 months. Deeney was a nobody who would soon be getting a sentence at Her Majesty's. The East Stand had no real plans for development. We were averaging around 12,000 in attendance per game and the club was an absolute joke. We all feared the worst for the following season with the bookies making us among the favourites to get relegated to League 1. Fast forward to now and we have finished two places lower, with four less points. However, we have an East Stand currently being built. We have 10,000 season tickets already sold for next season. We have Deeney as a top Championship striker who we might be able to keep, if not we can sell for £6m +. We have top players like Angella, Anya, Abdi and Forestieri all signed at the club. We are talking about what we need to do to improve and get promoted to the Premier League. From the above, all I can say is that the Pozzos have entirely transformed our club. Maybe we just need to reign in our expectations a little bit and be thankful for where we are compared to where we could be.[/p][/quote]Take of the Rose tinted glasses. My post is neither negative or positive, but factual,. I express only two opinions which can be disagreed with! Fact: On the management and playing side the Pozzos have screwed up big time. Fact: The Pozzos are building a new stand! Fact: Shaun Dyche was sacked without being given a chance. Fact: Shaun Dyche is now a premier league manager. Fact: Three seasons ago under the Bankrupt Bassini Watford got 64 points ( four more than season 2013/14 under Zola/Sannino).. Fact: Season 2013/14 the club has had two managers neither has been a success finishing in the bottom half of the championship table. Fact: Small newly promoted club Bournemouth finished higher than Watford by 6 points on 66 points. Fact: Leicester finished with 41 points more than Watford. Fact: Watford managed 4 wins from 23 away games. Fact: Watford got beat by 2 of the 3 of the relegated clubs to Division 1 namely; Yeovil and Doncaster. Fact: Watford under Zola lost 5 consecutive home games making a new record (I think). Fact: Sannino admits to losing the last four consecutive games saying this has never happened to him before. Opinion: Timing has not gone to plan for the new stand, I suspect may not be ready for the new season. Opinion: Almunia and Bond are great shot stoppers but weak on all other aspects of goalkeeping, I believe Chamberlain has to go and two new keepers required one of premier standard and one of championship/league 1 standard.[/p][/quote]Fact - Dyche and Burnley only managed 11th place last season with 60 points Fact - Zola and Watford finished 8 places and 17 points above Dyche and Burnley last season Fact - the Pozzos have got it largely right on the playing side - is our squad now not considerably better than 24 months ago? Opinion - if Burnley kept a mid-table side together and with a couple do strong additions managed promotion the following season, why can't we? Fact - you aren't saying anything by giving us all these facts that we already know[/p][/quote]What are you a schoolboy? We are talking about yesterday the here and now that is what counts, history cannot be changed. With your illogical argument you can quote what happened in any year, all of that is totally irrelevant to what is going on now. Burnley have just got 95 points are you blind? Understand why you call yourself 123456789, its because you can't remember how to count and need it written down to remind you. Ridiculous arguments on your side no logic at at all. Its your opinion the side is better now, if that's the case case how come Watford finished on 60 points yesterday, and in the season prior to the Pozzos took over under SD got 64 points. You do know the difference between a fact and opinion don't you.[/p][/quote]Yes and the here and now is a lot better than it was 24 months ago. That is in terms of attendances, look and feel of the stadium, financial situation and the squad.[/p][/quote]There is only so long the Watford fans will be positive for. If things get even worse on the pitch, the booing will start again. Just stating facts my friends. Hornet Cornet
  • Score: 1

10:41am Mon 5 May 14

longcliffe says...

hursthill wrote:
longcliffe wrote:
Perhaps you don't like hearing the truth. Wasn't your team abject yesterday and for most of the season?
I do not spend ages on here this only takes a few seconds, and I am not lonely or friendless. Thanks for asking
I look forward to having a discussion with you & Leicester fans next season on the Leicester Mercury comments section. I promise it will be entertaining.
I can't wait, you seem a very erudite and funny person.
[quote][p][bold]hursthill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]longcliffe[/bold] wrote: Perhaps you don't like hearing the truth. Wasn't your team abject yesterday and for most of the season? I do not spend ages on here this only takes a few seconds, and I am not lonely or friendless. Thanks for asking[/p][/quote]I look forward to having a discussion with you & Leicester fans next season on the Leicester Mercury comments section. I promise it will be entertaining.[/p][/quote]I can't wait, you seem a very erudite and funny person. longcliffe
  • Score: -1

5:06pm Mon 5 May 14

hursthill says...

longcliffe wrote:
hursthill wrote:
longcliffe wrote:
Perhaps you don't like hearing the truth. Wasn't your team abject yesterday and for most of the season?
I do not spend ages on here this only takes a few seconds, and I am not lonely or friendless. Thanks for asking
I look forward to having a discussion with you & Leicester fans next season on the Leicester Mercury comments section. I promise it will be entertaining.
I can't wait, you seem a very erudite and funny person.
Thank you.
It will be interesting to see whether other Leicester fans are as thick- skinned & funny as you !
[quote][p][bold]longcliffe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hursthill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]longcliffe[/bold] wrote: Perhaps you don't like hearing the truth. Wasn't your team abject yesterday and for most of the season? I do not spend ages on here this only takes a few seconds, and I am not lonely or friendless. Thanks for asking[/p][/quote]I look forward to having a discussion with you & Leicester fans next season on the Leicester Mercury comments section. I promise it will be entertaining.[/p][/quote]I can't wait, you seem a very erudite and funny person.[/p][/quote]Thank you. It will be interesting to see whether other Leicester fans are as thick- skinned & funny as you ! hursthill
  • Score: 0

11:00pm Mon 5 May 14

rogeruk says...

Stoney77 wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
1234566789 wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
1234566789 wrote:
Let's get some perspective before we criticise the Pozzos and their model....

2 years ago we finished in 11th place with 64 points under Bassini and Dyche. The summer was a worry as we were on the brink of administration but had no real assets to sell after Graham, Cowie, Buckley and Sordell had all left over the last 12 months. Deeney was a nobody who would soon be getting a sentence at Her Majesty's. The East Stand had no real plans for development. We were averaging around 12,000 in attendance per game and the club was an absolute joke. We all feared the worst for the following season with the bookies making us among the favourites to get relegated to League 1.

Fast forward to now and we have finished two places lower, with four less points. However, we have an East Stand currently being built. We have 10,000 season tickets already sold for next season. We have Deeney as a top Championship striker who we might be able to keep, if not we can sell for £6m +. We have top players like Angella, Anya, Abdi and Forestieri all signed at the club. We are talking about what we need to do to improve and get promoted to the Premier League.

From the above, all I can say is that the Pozzos have entirely transformed our club. Maybe we just need to reign in our expectations a little bit and be thankful for where we are compared to where we could be.
Take of the Rose tinted glasses. My post is neither negative or positive, but
factual,. I express only two opinions which can be disagreed with!

Fact: On the management and playing side the Pozzos have screwed up big time.

Fact: The Pozzos are building a new stand!

Fact: Shaun Dyche was sacked without being given a chance.

Fact: Shaun Dyche is now a premier league manager.

Fact: Three seasons ago under the Bankrupt Bassini Watford got 64 points ( four more than season 2013/14 under Zola/Sannino)..

Fact: Season 2013/14 the club has had two managers neither has been a success finishing in
the bottom half of the championship table.

Fact: Small newly promoted club Bournemouth finished higher than Watford by 6 points on 66 points.

Fact: Leicester finished with 41 points more than Watford.

Fact: Watford managed 4 wins from 23 away games.

Fact: Watford got beat by 2 of the 3 of the relegated clubs to Division 1 namely; Yeovil and Doncaster.

Fact: Watford under Zola lost 5 consecutive home games making a new record (I think).

Fact: Sannino admits to losing the last four consecutive games saying this has never happened to him before.

Opinion: Timing has not gone to plan for the new stand, I suspect may not be ready for the new season.

Opinion: Almunia and Bond are great shot stoppers but weak on all other aspects of goalkeeping,
I believe Chamberlain has to go and two new keepers required one of premier standard and one of championship/league 1 standard.
Fact - Dyche and Burnley only managed 11th place last season with 60 points
Fact - Zola and Watford finished 8 places and 17 points above Dyche and Burnley last season
Fact - the Pozzos have got it largely right on the playing side - is our squad now not considerably better than 24 months ago?
Opinion - if Burnley kept a mid-table side together and with a couple do strong additions managed promotion the following season, why can't we?
Fact - you aren't saying anything by giving us all these facts that we already know
What are you a schoolboy?

We are talking about yesterday the here and now that is what counts, history cannot be changed. With your illogical argument you can quote what happened in any year, all of that is totally irrelevant to what is going on now.

Burnley have just got 95 points are you blind?

Understand why you call yourself 123456789, its because you can't remember how to count and need it written down to remind you.

Ridiculous arguments on your side no logic at at all.

Its your opinion the side is better now, if that's the case case how come Watford finished on 60 points yesterday, and in the season prior to the Pozzos took over under SD got 64 points.

You do know the difference between a fact and opinion don't you.
Re-read your post when you are sober, Roger. You may want to apologise to 123456789 for your un-necessarily patronising and derogatory comments.
You might also then notice the blatant hypocrisy emanating from your post too, but then again , you probably won't.
What do you know about anything? You were one of the cheerleader girls in skirts who wanted your God Zola to stay until the end of the season with certain relegation.
[quote][p][bold]Stoney77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]1234566789[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]1234566789[/bold] wrote: Let's get some perspective before we criticise the Pozzos and their model.... 2 years ago we finished in 11th place with 64 points under Bassini and Dyche. The summer was a worry as we were on the brink of administration but had no real assets to sell after Graham, Cowie, Buckley and Sordell had all left over the last 12 months. Deeney was a nobody who would soon be getting a sentence at Her Majesty's. The East Stand had no real plans for development. We were averaging around 12,000 in attendance per game and the club was an absolute joke. We all feared the worst for the following season with the bookies making us among the favourites to get relegated to League 1. Fast forward to now and we have finished two places lower, with four less points. However, we have an East Stand currently being built. We have 10,000 season tickets already sold for next season. We have Deeney as a top Championship striker who we might be able to keep, if not we can sell for £6m +. We have top players like Angella, Anya, Abdi and Forestieri all signed at the club. We are talking about what we need to do to improve and get promoted to the Premier League. From the above, all I can say is that the Pozzos have entirely transformed our club. Maybe we just need to reign in our expectations a little bit and be thankful for where we are compared to where we could be.[/p][/quote]Take of the Rose tinted glasses. My post is neither negative or positive, but factual,. I express only two opinions which can be disagreed with! Fact: On the management and playing side the Pozzos have screwed up big time. Fact: The Pozzos are building a new stand! Fact: Shaun Dyche was sacked without being given a chance. Fact: Shaun Dyche is now a premier league manager. Fact: Three seasons ago under the Bankrupt Bassini Watford got 64 points ( four more than season 2013/14 under Zola/Sannino).. Fact: Season 2013/14 the club has had two managers neither has been a success finishing in the bottom half of the championship table. Fact: Small newly promoted club Bournemouth finished higher than Watford by 6 points on 66 points. Fact: Leicester finished with 41 points more than Watford. Fact: Watford managed 4 wins from 23 away games. Fact: Watford got beat by 2 of the 3 of the relegated clubs to Division 1 namely; Yeovil and Doncaster. Fact: Watford under Zola lost 5 consecutive home games making a new record (I think). Fact: Sannino admits to losing the last four consecutive games saying this has never happened to him before. Opinion: Timing has not gone to plan for the new stand, I suspect may not be ready for the new season. Opinion: Almunia and Bond are great shot stoppers but weak on all other aspects of goalkeeping, I believe Chamberlain has to go and two new keepers required one of premier standard and one of championship/league 1 standard.[/p][/quote]Fact - Dyche and Burnley only managed 11th place last season with 60 points Fact - Zola and Watford finished 8 places and 17 points above Dyche and Burnley last season Fact - the Pozzos have got it largely right on the playing side - is our squad now not considerably better than 24 months ago? Opinion - if Burnley kept a mid-table side together and with a couple do strong additions managed promotion the following season, why can't we? Fact - you aren't saying anything by giving us all these facts that we already know[/p][/quote]What are you a schoolboy? We are talking about yesterday the here and now that is what counts, history cannot be changed. With your illogical argument you can quote what happened in any year, all of that is totally irrelevant to what is going on now. Burnley have just got 95 points are you blind? Understand why you call yourself 123456789, its because you can't remember how to count and need it written down to remind you. Ridiculous arguments on your side no logic at at all. Its your opinion the side is better now, if that's the case case how come Watford finished on 60 points yesterday, and in the season prior to the Pozzos took over under SD got 64 points. You do know the difference between a fact and opinion don't you.[/p][/quote]Re-read your post when you are sober, Roger. You may want to apologise to 123456789 for your un-necessarily patronising and derogatory comments. You might also then notice the blatant hypocrisy emanating from your post too, but then again , you probably won't.[/p][/quote]What do you know about anything? You were one of the cheerleader girls in skirts who wanted your God Zola to stay until the end of the season with certain relegation. rogeruk
  • Score: -1

11:07pm Mon 5 May 14

rogeruk says...

BryantheOrn wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
1234566789 wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
1234566789 wrote:
Let's get some perspective before we criticise the Pozzos and their model....

2 years ago we finished in 11th place with 64 points under Bassini and Dyche. The summer was a worry as we were on the brink of administration but had no real assets to sell after Graham, Cowie, Buckley and Sordell had all left over the last 12 months. Deeney was a nobody who would soon be getting a sentence at Her Majesty's. The East Stand had no real plans for development. We were averaging around 12,000 in attendance per game and the club was an absolute joke. We all feared the worst for the following season with the bookies making us among the favourites to get relegated to League 1.

Fast forward to now and we have finished two places lower, with four less points. However, we have an East Stand currently being built. We have 10,000 season tickets already sold for next season. We have Deeney as a top Championship striker who we might be able to keep, if not we can sell for £6m +. We have top players like Angella, Anya, Abdi and Forestieri all signed at the club. We are talking about what we need to do to improve and get promoted to the Premier League.

From the above, all I can say is that the Pozzos have entirely transformed our club. Maybe we just need to reign in our expectations a little bit and be thankful for where we are compared to where we could be.
Take of the Rose tinted glasses. My post is neither negative or positive, but
factual,. I express only two opinions which can be disagreed with!

Fact: On the management and playing side the Pozzos have screwed up big time.

Fact: The Pozzos are building a new stand!

Fact: Shaun Dyche was sacked without being given a chance.

Fact: Shaun Dyche is now a premier league manager.

Fact: Three seasons ago under the Bankrupt Bassini Watford got 64 points ( four more than season 2013/14 under Zola/Sannino)..

Fact: Season 2013/14 the club has had two managers neither has been a success finishing in
the bottom half of the championship table.

Fact: Small newly promoted club Bournemouth finished higher than Watford by 6 points on 66 points.

Fact: Leicester finished with 41 points more than Watford.

Fact: Watford managed 4 wins from 23 away games.

Fact: Watford got beat by 2 of the 3 of the relegated clubs to Division 1 namely; Yeovil and Doncaster.

Fact: Watford under Zola lost 5 consecutive home games making a new record (I think).

Fact: Sannino admits to losing the last four consecutive games saying this has never happened to him before.

Opinion: Timing has not gone to plan for the new stand, I suspect may not be ready for the new season.

Opinion: Almunia and Bond are great shot stoppers but weak on all other aspects of goalkeeping,
I believe Chamberlain has to go and two new keepers required one of premier standard and one of championship/league 1 standard.
Fact - Dyche and Burnley only managed 11th place last season with 60 points
Fact - Zola and Watford finished 8 places and 17 points above Dyche and Burnley last season
Fact - the Pozzos have got it largely right on the playing side - is our squad now not considerably better than 24 months ago?
Opinion - if Burnley kept a mid-table side together and with a couple do strong additions managed promotion the following season, why can't we?
Fact - you aren't saying anything by giving us all these facts that we already know
What are you a schoolboy?

We are talking about yesterday the here and now that is what counts, history cannot be changed. With your illogical argument you can quote what happened in any year, all of that is totally irrelevant to what is going on now.

Burnley have just got 95 points are you blind?

Understand why you call yourself 123456789, its because you can't remember how to count and need it written down to remind you.

Ridiculous arguments on your side no logic at at all.

Its your opinion the side is better now, if that's the case case how come Watford finished on 60 points yesterday, and in the season prior to the Pozzos took over under SD got 64 points.

You do know the difference between a fact and opinion don't you.
Shutup Roger, 1234566789 has slaughtered you.
The only thing slaughtered here is your intelligence, your'e typical of the low level chavs like you with IQ's of 75 on here. The evidence is there when instead of debating the salient points you get a hard on because some chav's name or in this case number has digit missing. Pathetic time waster!
[quote][p][bold]BryantheOrn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]1234566789[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]1234566789[/bold] wrote: Let's get some perspective before we criticise the Pozzos and their model.... 2 years ago we finished in 11th place with 64 points under Bassini and Dyche. The summer was a worry as we were on the brink of administration but had no real assets to sell after Graham, Cowie, Buckley and Sordell had all left over the last 12 months. Deeney was a nobody who would soon be getting a sentence at Her Majesty's. The East Stand had no real plans for development. We were averaging around 12,000 in attendance per game and the club was an absolute joke. We all feared the worst for the following season with the bookies making us among the favourites to get relegated to League 1. Fast forward to now and we have finished two places lower, with four less points. However, we have an East Stand currently being built. We have 10,000 season tickets already sold for next season. We have Deeney as a top Championship striker who we might be able to keep, if not we can sell for £6m +. We have top players like Angella, Anya, Abdi and Forestieri all signed at the club. We are talking about what we need to do to improve and get promoted to the Premier League. From the above, all I can say is that the Pozzos have entirely transformed our club. Maybe we just need to reign in our expectations a little bit and be thankful for where we are compared to where we could be.[/p][/quote]Take of the Rose tinted glasses. My post is neither negative or positive, but factual,. I express only two opinions which can be disagreed with! Fact: On the management and playing side the Pozzos have screwed up big time. Fact: The Pozzos are building a new stand! Fact: Shaun Dyche was sacked without being given a chance. Fact: Shaun Dyche is now a premier league manager. Fact: Three seasons ago under the Bankrupt Bassini Watford got 64 points ( four more than season 2013/14 under Zola/Sannino).. Fact: Season 2013/14 the club has had two managers neither has been a success finishing in the bottom half of the championship table. Fact: Small newly promoted club Bournemouth finished higher than Watford by 6 points on 66 points. Fact: Leicester finished with 41 points more than Watford. Fact: Watford managed 4 wins from 23 away games. Fact: Watford got beat by 2 of the 3 of the relegated clubs to Division 1 namely; Yeovil and Doncaster. Fact: Watford under Zola lost 5 consecutive home games making a new record (I think). Fact: Sannino admits to losing the last four consecutive games saying this has never happened to him before. Opinion: Timing has not gone to plan for the new stand, I suspect may not be ready for the new season. Opinion: Almunia and Bond are great shot stoppers but weak on all other aspects of goalkeeping, I believe Chamberlain has to go and two new keepers required one of premier standard and one of championship/league 1 standard.[/p][/quote]Fact - Dyche and Burnley only managed 11th place last season with 60 points Fact - Zola and Watford finished 8 places and 17 points above Dyche and Burnley last season Fact - the Pozzos have got it largely right on the playing side - is our squad now not considerably better than 24 months ago? Opinion - if Burnley kept a mid-table side together and with a couple do strong additions managed promotion the following season, why can't we? Fact - you aren't saying anything by giving us all these facts that we already know[/p][/quote]What are you a schoolboy? We are talking about yesterday the here and now that is what counts, history cannot be changed. With your illogical argument you can quote what happened in any year, all of that is totally irrelevant to what is going on now. Burnley have just got 95 points are you blind? Understand why you call yourself 123456789, its because you can't remember how to count and need it written down to remind you. Ridiculous arguments on your side no logic at at all. Its your opinion the side is better now, if that's the case case how come Watford finished on 60 points yesterday, and in the season prior to the Pozzos took over under SD got 64 points. You do know the difference between a fact and opinion don't you.[/p][/quote]Shutup Roger, 1234566789 has slaughtered you.[/p][/quote]The only thing slaughtered here is your intelligence, your'e typical of the low level chavs like you with IQ's of 75 on here. The evidence is there when instead of debating the salient points you get a hard on because some chav's name or in this case number has digit missing. Pathetic time waster! rogeruk
  • Score: -1

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