Watford boss Beppe Sannino: 'I can't make you understand the pain I have inside me'

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Beppe Sannino claimed he was unable to express the pain he felt inside after Watford finished the 2013/14 campaign in “the worst possible manner” this afternoon.

The Hornets’ season ended with an embarrassing 4-1 loss to Huddersfield Town and made it four consecutive defeats, with the final three coming after very poor displays from the Golden Boys.

Sannino was as dejected as he has been all season when approaching the media following the Huddersfield match.

After demoralising showings at Derby County and Charlton Athletic, Sannino had questioned his players’ commitment and passion and had called for a morale-boosting reaction from his team. He didn’t receive one.

Sannino said: “In my career I have never been in this position, where I have lost four matches in a row and we have to manage this moment well.

“I am not in a position to make you understand the pain I have inside me. I have pain for the people who come to watch us and the people who offered me the job so it is time to reflect.”

He added: “I would like to say a lot of things but it is correct for me to reflect now on this season. This is a bad moment and we have to feel this moment. Unfortunately none of us were thinking about [expecting] this ten days ago.”

“I could say a lot of things but I prefer to speak to the club, to try to give Watford Football Club and their supporters what they deserve,” he later added.

Asked whether the players lacked commitment and passion today, Sannino started his press conference by saying: “First of all I am here to put my face in front of everybody because I am the head coach and the leader of this group.

“I will answer your question by saying sorry that we finished in front of our supporters in the worst manner possible.”

“I don’t like [want] to speak about my players [now],” Sannino responded when asked if he was disappointed with his players.

“It would be easy to speak [say certain things] when there is a good moment and also a bad moment.”

Sannino was said to be crestfallen during the annual walk-around the pitch after the match, when a large number of supporters stayed despite the scoreline.

The Italian places a lot of emphasis on playing for the club’s fans and said: “I could see the great spirit of our supporters. In Italy you wouldn’t see something like that.

“It is like a lesson that the supporters gave to us in terms of respect.

“I am honest with you and during the lap there were a lot of thoughts in my head. The last was that they [the fans] didn’t deserve an end of season like that.”

Sannino, who signed an 18-month contract in December, this week said the club needed to change the team’s DNA next season.

This led to the head coach being asked whether he had received assurances he would be in charge over the summer so he could change the DNA.

He replied: “I have a contract for next season but I am not the person who holds the contract. I was asked to change the situation and spin our season. For one part of the season we have been able to do it but in the last four games we have been making the same mistakes.”

More of Sannino's press conference will be uploaded tomorrow.

You can read Huddersfield's Mark Robins' comments here.

Read our match report from the game here.

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6:35pm Sat 3 May 14

SMP says...

He certainly looked 'crestfallen' and an element of me feels sorry for him and he is quite right, the loyal supporters of the Club did not deserve a result like today. However, read into his final quote re the length of his contract what you will ..... time, as they say, will tell!!
He certainly looked 'crestfallen' and an element of me feels sorry for him and he is quite right, the loyal supporters of the Club did not deserve a result like today. However, read into his final quote re the length of his contract what you will ..... time, as they say, will tell!! SMP
  • Score: 9

6:40pm Sat 3 May 14

smalon says...

In Italy you don't get to stay Manager after four straight defeats.
Shame as i like the guy but I think we need someone else.
We also need to stop throwing together a bunch of players and hope that they can gell.
Some more thought and planning into who we sign please.
In Italy you don't get to stay Manager after four straight defeats. Shame as i like the guy but I think we need someone else. We also need to stop throwing together a bunch of players and hope that they can gell. Some more thought and planning into who we sign please. smalon
  • Score: 20

6:48pm Sat 3 May 14

watford1881 says...

We will continue to have the same problems whoever is manager until The Pozzos deal (get rid of) The Nani factor.. We have never had a manager under The Pozzos.. Only Head Coaches.. We need a manager desperately...
We will continue to have the same problems whoever is manager until The Pozzos deal (get rid of) The Nani factor.. We have never had a manager under The Pozzos.. Only Head Coaches.. We need a manager desperately... watford1881
  • Score: 28

7:06pm Sat 3 May 14

francowatford says...

This situation is similar to moyes at United. Both managers inherited a team that was not theirs bar a signing or two. We must give bepppe the chance to mould a team that will work with his ideas and carry them out. I believe bepppe will be ruthless and will not take any crap from Anyone. He will be in charge but only upto Christmas if the results are bad if not it be bepppe all the way. Pozzo will not sack bepppe but get rid if pitch personal
This situation is similar to moyes at United. Both managers inherited a team that was not theirs bar a signing or two. We must give bepppe the chance to mould a team that will work with his ideas and carry them out. I believe bepppe will be ruthless and will not take any crap from Anyone. He will be in charge but only upto Christmas if the results are bad if not it be bepppe all the way. Pozzo will not sack bepppe but get rid if pitch personal francowatford
  • Score: -2

7:45pm Sat 3 May 14

The_Hornet says...

I almost feel sorry for him. Atleast he's honest. But we have to ask ourselves: is it the Manager's fault for our 4 straight losses at the end of the season? Or the loss of committment and passion by the players after the hopes of the playoffs diminished? Or are our players simply not good enough? I really don't know what will happen between now and the beginning of the next season, but as far as I'm concerned, we either need a new manager or the squad needs to be drastically improved, especially if Deeney leaves. Vydra looks like something we could try and snatch up, since he's not getting a great deal of playtime in the Prem. But Sannino really does want to do well at this club.. Upmost respect for the guy.. but just don't know whether he's up for the job..
I almost feel sorry for him. Atleast he's honest. But we have to ask ourselves: is it the Manager's fault for our 4 straight losses at the end of the season? Or the loss of committment and passion by the players after the hopes of the playoffs diminished? Or are our players simply not good enough? I really don't know what will happen between now and the beginning of the next season, but as far as I'm concerned, we either need a new manager or the squad needs to be drastically improved, especially if Deeney leaves. Vydra looks like something we could try and snatch up, since he's not getting a great deal of playtime in the Prem. But Sannino really does want to do well at this club.. Upmost respect for the guy.. but just don't know whether he's up for the job.. The_Hornet
  • Score: 41

7:59pm Sat 3 May 14

llloydwithathirdl says...

Big respect for Beppe, would like to see him given the chance to bring in his own players, but not sure if he will get that chance.
Big respect for Beppe, would like to see him given the chance to bring in his own players, but not sure if he will get that chance. llloydwithathirdl
  • Score: 20

7:59pm Sat 3 May 14

ramage1996 says...

Im 100% behind Sannino, he should be in charge next season..

People asking for Malky, he was trying to get the Burnley job while under contract with us and walked out to go to Cardiff then took all our backrrom staff and took advantage of inside knowledge on Cowie's contract to get him for nothing..

Malky can **** off..

Sannino will get us promoted next season
Im 100% behind Sannino, he should be in charge next season.. People asking for Malky, he was trying to get the Burnley job while under contract with us and walked out to go to Cardiff then took all our backrrom staff and took advantage of inside knowledge on Cowie's contract to get him for nothing.. Malky can **** off.. Sannino will get us promoted next season ramage1996
  • Score: 11

8:02pm Sat 3 May 14

WessexLad says...

“I can't make you understand the pain I have inside me."

More importantly, he can't make the players understand his pain, or anything else, particularly at half time. Isn't that the fundamental problem?
“I can't make you understand the pain I have inside me." More importantly, he can't make the players understand his pain, or anything else, particularly at half time. Isn't that the fundamental problem? WessexLad
  • Score: 8

8:04pm Sat 3 May 14

ramage1996 says...

WessexLad wrote:
“I can't make you understand the pain I have inside me."

More importantly, he can't make the players understand his pain, or anything else, particularly at half time. Isn't that the fundamental problem?
No maybe you are the problem?

He took over a team in free fall, 6 home loses in row under Zola wasnt it? He had no time to work with the players and turned it around when many on here were predicting relegation.
[quote][p][bold]WessexLad[/bold] wrote: “I can't make you understand the pain I have inside me." More importantly, he can't make the players understand his pain, or anything else, particularly at half time. Isn't that the fundamental problem?[/p][/quote]No maybe you are the problem? He took over a team in free fall, 6 home loses in row under Zola wasnt it? He had no time to work with the players and turned it around when many on here were predicting relegation. ramage1996
  • Score: 26

8:52pm Sat 3 May 14

bigdave8 says...

Since we couldn't make the playoffs we have lost the last few games on purpose so the odds on us going up next season are longer and we can all 'have it off' next year . Surely that's the only reason I watched one of the worst performances ever seen at the vic! Tell me this is all part of the plan guys !?
Since we couldn't make the playoffs we have lost the last few games on purpose so the odds on us going up next season are longer and we can all 'have it off' next year . Surely that's the only reason I watched one of the worst performances ever seen at the vic! Tell me this is all part of the plan guys !? bigdave8
  • Score: 11

9:12pm Sat 3 May 14

tonyevans22 says...

Sorry but the manager has to go,he is not the answer.When he came here the improvements(he said) were about defending,in that we lost our spark in scoring goals.Now the defence has crumbled to pieces.I have to question the players fitness,are they fit or just Knackered after long hours of training,hence we concede goals late on.I see no improvements,I see a side that has self destructed all season.Good one min,bloody awful the next min.Beppe has no clue,and motivation,? where is it.? The players need to take a look at themselves as well,I don't want a manager saying sorry every week,I want a manager that gets results and gets this bunch of players playing as a team..Thanks Beppe but Bye.
Sorry but the manager has to go,he is not the answer.When he came here the improvements(he said) were about defending,in that we lost our spark in scoring goals.Now the defence has crumbled to pieces.I have to question the players fitness,are they fit or just Knackered after long hours of training,hence we concede goals late on.I see no improvements,I see a side that has self destructed all season.Good one min,bloody awful the next min.Beppe has no clue,and motivation,? where is it.? The players need to take a look at themselves as well,I don't want a manager saying sorry every week,I want a manager that gets results and gets this bunch of players playing as a team..Thanks Beppe but Bye. tonyevans22
  • Score: 7

9:35pm Sat 3 May 14

desk35 says...

this reminds me as we were Ray Lewington's last game the sparkle is missing
this reminds me as we were Ray Lewington's last game the sparkle is missing desk35
  • Score: 0

9:42pm Sat 3 May 14

Hornankey says...

The Terriers lived up to their name today and showed great motivation, first to every ball and winning every challenge. Our players seemed listless, lacking in passion and fitness. I am sorry but Beppe just does not cut it for me: he fails with the key task of a manager - motivating the players. He may have difficulty communicating but the players just don't work for him. If Beppe stays I can imagine our better players wanting out.
The Terriers lived up to their name today and showed great motivation, first to every ball and winning every challenge. Our players seemed listless, lacking in passion and fitness. I am sorry but Beppe just does not cut it for me: he fails with the key task of a manager - motivating the players. He may have difficulty communicating but the players just don't work for him. If Beppe stays I can imagine our better players wanting out. Hornankey
  • Score: 12

9:52pm Sat 3 May 14

buckler says...

Sannino Out..
Sannino Out.. buckler
  • Score: -5

9:58pm Sat 3 May 14

SAHornet says...

ramage1996 wrote:
WessexLad wrote:
“I can't make you understand the pain I have inside me."

More importantly, he can't make the players understand his pain, or anything else, particularly at half time. Isn't that the fundamental problem?
No maybe you are the problem?

He took over a team in free fall, 6 home loses in row under Zola wasnt it? He had no time to work with the players and turned it around when many on here were predicting relegation.
Don't really see how he has "turned it around". Our league position now is little better than when Zola left. Owners should have sacked Nani and insisted that Zola accepted help
[quote][p][bold]ramage1996[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WessexLad[/bold] wrote: “I can't make you understand the pain I have inside me." More importantly, he can't make the players understand his pain, or anything else, particularly at half time. Isn't that the fundamental problem?[/p][/quote]No maybe you are the problem? He took over a team in free fall, 6 home loses in row under Zola wasnt it? He had no time to work with the players and turned it around when many on here were predicting relegation.[/p][/quote]Don't really see how he has "turned it around". Our league position now is little better than when Zola left. Owners should have sacked Nani and insisted that Zola accepted help SAHornet
  • Score: 22

10:03pm Sat 3 May 14

ramage1996 says...

SAHornet wrote:
ramage1996 wrote:
WessexLad wrote:
“I can't make you understand the pain I have inside me."

More importantly, he can't make the players understand his pain, or anything else, particularly at half time. Isn't that the fundamental problem?
No maybe you are the problem?

He took over a team in free fall, 6 home loses in row under Zola wasnt it? He had no time to work with the players and turned it around when many on here were predicting relegation.
Don't really see how he has "turned it around". Our league position now is little better than when Zola left. Owners should have sacked Nani and insisted that Zola accepted help
I would suggest from losing 6 home games in a row to the new manager winning six home games in a row might be considered turning it around.
[quote][p][bold]SAHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ramage1996[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WessexLad[/bold] wrote: “I can't make you understand the pain I have inside me." More importantly, he can't make the players understand his pain, or anything else, particularly at half time. Isn't that the fundamental problem?[/p][/quote]No maybe you are the problem? He took over a team in free fall, 6 home loses in row under Zola wasnt it? He had no time to work with the players and turned it around when many on here were predicting relegation.[/p][/quote]Don't really see how he has "turned it around". Our league position now is little better than when Zola left. Owners should have sacked Nani and insisted that Zola accepted help[/p][/quote]I would suggest from losing 6 home games in a row to the new manager winning six home games in a row might be considered turning it around. ramage1996
  • Score: 13

10:09pm Sat 3 May 14

Hornet Cornet says...

ramage1996 wrote:
SAHornet wrote:
ramage1996 wrote:
WessexLad wrote:
“I can't make you understand the pain I have inside me."

More importantly, he can't make the players understand his pain, or anything else, particularly at half time. Isn't that the fundamental problem?
No maybe you are the problem?

He took over a team in free fall, 6 home loses in row under Zola wasnt it? He had no time to work with the players and turned it around when many on here were predicting relegation.
Don't really see how he has "turned it around". Our league position now is little better than when Zola left. Owners should have sacked Nani and insisted that Zola accepted help
I would suggest from losing 6 home games in a row to the new manager winning six home games in a row might be considered turning it around.
yes winning 1 out of 19 away games really has turned it around hasn't it.
[quote][p][bold]ramage1996[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ramage1996[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WessexLad[/bold] wrote: “I can't make you understand the pain I have inside me." More importantly, he can't make the players understand his pain, or anything else, particularly at half time. Isn't that the fundamental problem?[/p][/quote]No maybe you are the problem? He took over a team in free fall, 6 home loses in row under Zola wasnt it? He had no time to work with the players and turned it around when many on here were predicting relegation.[/p][/quote]Don't really see how he has "turned it around". Our league position now is little better than when Zola left. Owners should have sacked Nani and insisted that Zola accepted help[/p][/quote]I would suggest from losing 6 home games in a row to the new manager winning six home games in a row might be considered turning it around.[/p][/quote]yes winning 1 out of 19 away games really has turned it around hasn't it. Hornet Cornet
  • Score: 10

10:13pm Sat 3 May 14

holtonian says...

Blame the club not Beppe for our horrid end of season.Many have short memories, Leicester grabbed an injury time draw against us just a few weeks ago. QPR got lucky win at Loftus Rd. We are very close to being a frontrunner in the Championship.
The Pozzo family will deal with any problems as clearly some of the loan deals where very poor help to WFC. We gained much deadwood over the past season on loans. The biggest loss being George Thorne .
I honestly believe a clear out is needed this summer and feel certain changes will occur.We are so lucky to have great owners now as the new stand shows there intentions. As for Malky he is a Judas in my eyes, i admired him as a player but after the Cowie carry ons he showed us all what he is. Lets get behind our club.
Blame the club not Beppe for our horrid end of season.Many have short memories, Leicester grabbed an injury time draw against us just a few weeks ago. QPR got lucky win at Loftus Rd. We are very close to being a frontrunner in the Championship. The Pozzo family will deal with any problems as clearly some of the loan deals where very poor help to WFC. We gained much deadwood over the past season on loans. The biggest loss being George Thorne . I honestly believe a clear out is needed this summer and feel certain changes will occur.We are so lucky to have great owners now as the new stand shows there intentions. As for Malky he is a Judas in my eyes, i admired him as a player but after the Cowie carry ons he showed us all what he is. Lets get behind our club. holtonian
  • Score: 19

10:32pm Sat 3 May 14

ramage1996 says...

Hornet Cornet wrote:
ramage1996 wrote:
SAHornet wrote:
ramage1996 wrote:
WessexLad wrote:
“I can't make you understand the pain I have inside me."

More importantly, he can't make the players understand his pain, or anything else, particularly at half time. Isn't that the fundamental problem?
No maybe you are the problem?

He took over a team in free fall, 6 home loses in row under Zola wasnt it? He had no time to work with the players and turned it around when many on here were predicting relegation.
Don't really see how he has "turned it around". Our league position now is little better than when Zola left. Owners should have sacked Nani and insisted that Zola accepted help
I would suggest from losing 6 home games in a row to the new manager winning six home games in a row might be considered turning it around.
yes winning 1 out of 19 away games really has turned it around hasn't it.
Sannino won ost home games and drew most away games, he took over from a manager that lost 6 in a row...

He turned it around, you and others were saying we were going to get relegated so you must be happy HC x
[quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ramage1996[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ramage1996[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WessexLad[/bold] wrote: “I can't make you understand the pain I have inside me." More importantly, he can't make the players understand his pain, or anything else, particularly at half time. Isn't that the fundamental problem?[/p][/quote]No maybe you are the problem? He took over a team in free fall, 6 home loses in row under Zola wasnt it? He had no time to work with the players and turned it around when many on here were predicting relegation.[/p][/quote]Don't really see how he has "turned it around". Our league position now is little better than when Zola left. Owners should have sacked Nani and insisted that Zola accepted help[/p][/quote]I would suggest from losing 6 home games in a row to the new manager winning six home games in a row might be considered turning it around.[/p][/quote]yes winning 1 out of 19 away games really has turned it around hasn't it.[/p][/quote]Sannino won ost home games and drew most away games, he took over from a manager that lost 6 in a row... He turned it around, you and others were saying we were going to get relegated so you must be happy HC x ramage1996
  • Score: 1

11:03pm Sat 3 May 14

Hornet Cornet says...

ramage1996 wrote:
Hornet Cornet wrote:
ramage1996 wrote:
SAHornet wrote:
ramage1996 wrote:
WessexLad wrote:
“I can't make you understand the pain I have inside me."

More importantly, he can't make the players understand his pain, or anything else, particularly at half time. Isn't that the fundamental problem?
No maybe you are the problem?

He took over a team in free fall, 6 home loses in row under Zola wasnt it? He had no time to work with the players and turned it around when many on here were predicting relegation.
Don't really see how he has "turned it around". Our league position now is little better than when Zola left. Owners should have sacked Nani and insisted that Zola accepted help
I would suggest from losing 6 home games in a row to the new manager winning six home games in a row might be considered turning it around.
yes winning 1 out of 19 away games really has turned it around hasn't it.
Sannino won ost home games and drew most away games, he took over from a manager that lost 6 in a row...

He turned it around, you and others were saying we were going to get relegated so you must be happy HC x
happy is as happy gets my old friend. I wonder what the summer will bring...
[quote][p][bold]ramage1996[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ramage1996[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ramage1996[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WessexLad[/bold] wrote: “I can't make you understand the pain I have inside me." More importantly, he can't make the players understand his pain, or anything else, particularly at half time. Isn't that the fundamental problem?[/p][/quote]No maybe you are the problem? He took over a team in free fall, 6 home loses in row under Zola wasnt it? He had no time to work with the players and turned it around when many on here were predicting relegation.[/p][/quote]Don't really see how he has "turned it around". Our league position now is little better than when Zola left. Owners should have sacked Nani and insisted that Zola accepted help[/p][/quote]I would suggest from losing 6 home games in a row to the new manager winning six home games in a row might be considered turning it around.[/p][/quote]yes winning 1 out of 19 away games really has turned it around hasn't it.[/p][/quote]Sannino won ost home games and drew most away games, he took over from a manager that lost 6 in a row... He turned it around, you and others were saying we were going to get relegated so you must be happy HC x[/p][/quote]happy is as happy gets my old friend. I wonder what the summer will bring... Hornet Cornet
  • Score: 0

11:06pm Sat 3 May 14

lockerbiehornet says...

And after spending over £250 on flights, car hire, fuel, parking and a ticket, I can't make you understand the pain my wallets going through right now!!!
And after spending over £250 on flights, car hire, fuel, parking and a ticket, I can't make you understand the pain my wallets going through right now!!! lockerbiehornet
  • Score: 13

11:29pm Sat 3 May 14

Hornet Cornet says...

lockerbiehornet wrote:
And after spending over £250 on flights, car hire, fuel, parking and a ticket, I can't make you understand the pain my wallets going through right now!!!
Must admit Lockerbie, we have banter on here, you abuse me, I retort. But one thing remains constant. We are pals. Night night
[quote][p][bold]lockerbiehornet[/bold] wrote: And after spending over £250 on flights, car hire, fuel, parking and a ticket, I can't make you understand the pain my wallets going through right now!!![/p][/quote]Must admit Lockerbie, we have banter on here, you abuse me, I retort. But one thing remains constant. We are pals. Night night Hornet Cornet
  • Score: 3

11:31pm Sat 3 May 14

Willow23 says...

Someone explain to me where any optimisim for next season is coming from?
I predict deeney going is getting sent some more mongs from Italy (fabrinni etc) I can see us potentialy going down next year. Anyone who says that will never happen is looking through some massive rose tinted glasses this league's history is peppered with teams "to good to go down" what I watched today was Sunday league at times. How bond got beat at his near post on the ground from that angle and 25 yards??? And if three defenders in the toughest league in the country maybe world is the answer what is the question?
Oh and if all it takes is a very **** looking stand being built to make you lot happy then well done you have everything you desire! **** end to a **** season
Harry stealing the beach ball the most entertaining thing today
Someone explain to me where any optimisim for next season is coming from? I predict deeney going is getting sent some more mongs from Italy (fabrinni etc) I can see us potentialy going down next year. Anyone who says that will never happen is looking through some massive rose tinted glasses this league's history is peppered with teams "to good to go down" what I watched today was Sunday league at times. How bond got beat at his near post on the ground from that angle and 25 yards??? And if three defenders in the toughest league in the country maybe world is the answer what is the question? Oh and if all it takes is a very **** looking stand being built to make you lot happy then well done you have everything you desire! **** end to a **** season Harry stealing the beach ball the most entertaining thing today Willow23
  • Score: -18

11:38pm Sat 3 May 14

Stoney77 says...

Happy to see the back of such a frustrating season. We have some of the most skilful players in the division but they lack cohesion.
The last 3 games have been shocking BUT they were meaningless. A 13th place finish is not a disgrace, nor a disaster although with our players we should be higher than that. It was always going to be hard to live up to last years awesome season though - a season which basically changed the mindset of us fans and changed our expectations; and herein lies the problem - Losing hurts so much more now that we have expectations.

But in the scheme of things it is only one season. We can't let our expectations make us lose sight of our past. Watford FC will hopefully be around for decades and generations to come - we will have highs and we will have lows, and in the scheme of things, this really isn't a low point. One average and frustrating season does not constitute failure. We are heading in the right direction and no doubt the Pozzos are learning what it takes for success in this league, but let's not expect them to go splashing the cash in our quest for the premierleague. We've never been that type of club so why should we demand that from our owners who are doing so much for us already. Hopefully, in the next few years we will get our time in the premiership but let's not forget there are usually at least 15 other teams every year in our league who are capable of being up there fighting for the same thing.
For me, we lack a team ethic but more importantly I think we are just not fit enough, and we lack the blood sweat and tears element. Too many half hearted challenges - hanging a leg out to try and stop crosses or shots - which have been punished. We need the manager to instill this sort of no nonsense ethic and we need to be the fittest team in the league and we need a bit of brute and a physical element - something we drastically lack. We also need a keeper who is not going to gift 8-10 goals in a season through errors.

And Is Beppe the right man for us? I haven't really made my mind up. Our home form (bar today) since he took over is the form of champions yet our away form is that of a rock bottom club. Should Sannino be given a pre- season to sort his troops out? - home form certainly suggests so. What I do know is that, for once, I'm not massively bothered. If he goes then so be it. If he stays, then I'll get behind him.
What I do need to do though before next season starts, is lower my expectations so that next season is more enjoyable.
Finally, just to add that I was mighty cheered up to get home to Reading and hear news from Madejski stadium that, after the final whistle at 2-2, a rumour swept around the Reading fans that Forest had managed an equaliser against Brighton, and meaning that Reading had made the play offs - a mass pitch invasion ensued - only for the Reading fans to soon realise in fact that Forest had not scored and that Brighton were in the play offs - cue all Reading fans trudging back off the pitch with their tail between their legs!! Ha! Classic!
You ornz
Happy to see the back of such a frustrating season. We have some of the most skilful players in the division but they lack cohesion. The last 3 games have been shocking BUT they were meaningless. A 13th place finish is not a disgrace, nor a disaster although with our players we should be higher than that. It was always going to be hard to live up to last years awesome season though - a season which basically changed the mindset of us fans and changed our expectations; and herein lies the problem - Losing hurts so much more now that we have expectations. But in the scheme of things it is only one season. We can't let our expectations make us lose sight of our past. Watford FC will hopefully be around for decades and generations to come - we will have highs and we will have lows, and in the scheme of things, this really isn't a low point. One average and frustrating season does not constitute failure. We are heading in the right direction and no doubt the Pozzos are learning what it takes for success in this league, but let's not expect them to go splashing the cash in our quest for the premierleague. We've never been that type of club so why should we demand that from our owners who are doing so much for us already. Hopefully, in the next few years we will get our time in the premiership but let's not forget there are usually at least 15 other teams every year in our league who are capable of being up there fighting for the same thing. For me, we lack a team ethic but more importantly I think we are just not fit enough, and we lack the blood sweat and tears element. Too many half hearted challenges - hanging a leg out to try and stop crosses or shots - which have been punished. We need the manager to instill this sort of no nonsense ethic and we need to be the fittest team in the league and we need a bit of brute and a physical element - something we drastically lack. We also need a keeper who is not going to gift 8-10 goals in a season through errors. And Is Beppe the right man for us? I haven't really made my mind up. Our home form (bar today) since he took over is the form of champions yet our away form is that of a rock bottom club. Should Sannino be given a pre- season to sort his troops out? - home form certainly suggests so. What I do know is that, for once, I'm not massively bothered. If he goes then so be it. If he stays, then I'll get behind him. What I do need to do though before next season starts, is lower my expectations so that next season is more enjoyable. Finally, just to add that I was mighty cheered up to get home to Reading and hear news from Madejski stadium that, after the final whistle at 2-2, a rumour swept around the Reading fans that Forest had managed an equaliser against Brighton, and meaning that Reading had made the play offs - a mass pitch invasion ensued - only for the Reading fans to soon realise in fact that Forest had not scored and that Brighton were in the play offs - cue all Reading fans trudging back off the pitch with their tail between their legs!! Ha! Classic! You ornz Stoney77
  • Score: 21

11:45pm Sat 3 May 14

lockerbiehornet says...

Hornet Cornet wrote:
lockerbiehornet wrote:
And after spending over £250 on flights, car hire, fuel, parking and a ticket, I can't make you understand the pain my wallets going through right now!!!
Must admit Lockerbie, we have banter on here, you abuse me, I retort. But one thing remains constant. We are pals. Night night
That's all it ever is............ Banter nothing personal
[quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lockerbiehornet[/bold] wrote: And after spending over £250 on flights, car hire, fuel, parking and a ticket, I can't make you understand the pain my wallets going through right now!!![/p][/quote]Must admit Lockerbie, we have banter on here, you abuse me, I retort. But one thing remains constant. We are pals. Night night[/p][/quote]That's all it ever is............ Banter nothing personal lockerbiehornet
  • Score: 4

11:45pm Sat 3 May 14

lockerbiehornet says...

Hornet Cornet wrote:
lockerbiehornet wrote:
And after spending over £250 on flights, car hire, fuel, parking and a ticket, I can't make you understand the pain my wallets going through right now!!!
Must admit Lockerbie, we have banter on here, you abuse me, I retort. But one thing remains constant. We are pals. Night night
That's all it ever is............ Banter nothing personal
[quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lockerbiehornet[/bold] wrote: And after spending over £250 on flights, car hire, fuel, parking and a ticket, I can't make you understand the pain my wallets going through right now!!![/p][/quote]Must admit Lockerbie, we have banter on here, you abuse me, I retort. But one thing remains constant. We are pals. Night night[/p][/quote]That's all it ever is............ Banter nothing personal lockerbiehornet
  • Score: 2

12:11am Sun 4 May 14

Henry VIII says...

For me the fans who are directing their anger at Beppe have it wrong. As I said on another post, he was signed to stop the dreadful run we were on and to stable the situation - and he did that, his contract from the start was only until May. In the week he made an excellent statement, bringing the players in for a days training - todays response was a clear reflection of what is and has been wrong in the game for several years - many players think that they are bigger and better than the club they are at. They have huge egos. Football fans view it all very differently. This is our club, a club for life. For players probably 86 of the 92 clubs are essentially stop-gaps. You learn your trade and move on, working towards a better deal and financial security. As fans we see these players come and go, the Doyley's of the modern game are a very rare breed - we should count our blessings that we have one at our club, most do not. What I am trying t say that todays on the field antics show how much respect they have for Beppe - and for us fans. They should be utterly disgusted with themselves, most of the players would have been an insult to a pub team - but don't blame the manager, it is the fabric of many lazy, arrogant footballers who are too immature to handle criticism, they think it beneath them. I am grateful for Beppe keeping us up. I think there will be a major clear out this summer, and for the third year in a row many changes - but hopefully our owners will be a little more selective on their singings - plus hopefully we will have a couple of gutsy British players added who get what it takes to succeed in this division. Like all fans I will always love this club, but todays showing should be filmed and shared with other clubs that are looking for new players for next season - in the Conference. Today was an insult to the Watford fans, and that is totally inexcusable. I hope we never see several of todays players ever again at this club.
For me the fans who are directing their anger at Beppe have it wrong. As I said on another post, he was signed to stop the dreadful run we were on and to stable the situation - and he did that, his contract from the start was only until May. In the week he made an excellent statement, bringing the players in for a days training - todays response was a clear reflection of what is and has been wrong in the game for several years - many players think that they are bigger and better than the club they are at. They have huge egos. Football fans view it all very differently. This is our club, a club for life. For players probably 86 of the 92 clubs are essentially stop-gaps. You learn your trade and move on, working towards a better deal and financial security. As fans we see these players come and go, the Doyley's of the modern game are a very rare breed - we should count our blessings that we have one at our club, most do not. What I am trying t say that todays on the field antics show how much respect they have for Beppe - and for us fans. They should be utterly disgusted with themselves, most of the players would have been an insult to a pub team - but don't blame the manager, it is the fabric of many lazy, arrogant footballers who are too immature to handle criticism, they think it beneath them. I am grateful for Beppe keeping us up. I think there will be a major clear out this summer, and for the third year in a row many changes - but hopefully our owners will be a little more selective on their singings - plus hopefully we will have a couple of gutsy British players added who get what it takes to succeed in this division. Like all fans I will always love this club, but todays showing should be filmed and shared with other clubs that are looking for new players for next season - in the Conference. Today was an insult to the Watford fans, and that is totally inexcusable. I hope we never see several of todays players ever again at this club. Henry VIII
  • Score: 39

7:01am Sun 4 May 14

endean2 says...

Henry VIII wrote:
For me the fans who are directing their anger at Beppe have it wrong. As I said on another post, he was signed to stop the dreadful run we were on and to stable the situation - and he did that, his contract from the start was only until May. In the week he made an excellent statement, bringing the players in for a days training - todays response was a clear reflection of what is and has been wrong in the game for several years - many players think that they are bigger and better than the club they are at. They have huge egos. Football fans view it all very differently. This is our club, a club for life. For players probably 86 of the 92 clubs are essentially stop-gaps. You learn your trade and move on, working towards a better deal and financial security. As fans we see these players come and go, the Doyley's of the modern game are a very rare breed - we should count our blessings that we have one at our club, most do not. What I am trying t say that todays on the field antics show how much respect they have for Beppe - and for us fans. They should be utterly disgusted with themselves, most of the players would have been an insult to a pub team - but don't blame the manager, it is the fabric of many lazy, arrogant footballers who are too immature to handle criticism, they think it beneath them. I am grateful for Beppe keeping us up. I think there will be a major clear out this summer, and for the third year in a row many changes - but hopefully our owners will be a little more selective on their singings - plus hopefully we will have a couple of gutsy British players added who get what it takes to succeed in this division. Like all fans I will always love this club, but todays showing should be filmed and shared with other clubs that are looking for new players for next season - in the Conference. Today was an insult to the Watford fans, and that is totally inexcusable. I hope we never see several of todays players ever again at this club.
well said there,agree with all that.As a matter of interest who would you wish
to never see again?
[quote][p][bold]Henry VIII[/bold] wrote: For me the fans who are directing their anger at Beppe have it wrong. As I said on another post, he was signed to stop the dreadful run we were on and to stable the situation - and he did that, his contract from the start was only until May. In the week he made an excellent statement, bringing the players in for a days training - todays response was a clear reflection of what is and has been wrong in the game for several years - many players think that they are bigger and better than the club they are at. They have huge egos. Football fans view it all very differently. This is our club, a club for life. For players probably 86 of the 92 clubs are essentially stop-gaps. You learn your trade and move on, working towards a better deal and financial security. As fans we see these players come and go, the Doyley's of the modern game are a very rare breed - we should count our blessings that we have one at our club, most do not. What I am trying t say that todays on the field antics show how much respect they have for Beppe - and for us fans. They should be utterly disgusted with themselves, most of the players would have been an insult to a pub team - but don't blame the manager, it is the fabric of many lazy, arrogant footballers who are too immature to handle criticism, they think it beneath them. I am grateful for Beppe keeping us up. I think there will be a major clear out this summer, and for the third year in a row many changes - but hopefully our owners will be a little more selective on their singings - plus hopefully we will have a couple of gutsy British players added who get what it takes to succeed in this division. Like all fans I will always love this club, but todays showing should be filmed and shared with other clubs that are looking for new players for next season - in the Conference. Today was an insult to the Watford fans, and that is totally inexcusable. I hope we never see several of todays players ever again at this club.[/p][/quote]well said there,agree with all that.As a matter of interest who would you wish to never see again? endean2
  • Score: 7

8:24am Sun 4 May 14

The BestTrip2011 says...

Trust me Beppe, the pain you feel is nothing compared to the pain I feel having to watch the disinterested bunch of individuals you manage.
In 38 years as a season ticket holder, there aren't many occasions that I can recall that were worse than yesterday's show of can't be botheredness.
I just don't think you are the man for the job, sorry.
Trust me Beppe, the pain you feel is nothing compared to the pain I feel having to watch the disinterested bunch of individuals you manage. In 38 years as a season ticket holder, there aren't many occasions that I can recall that were worse than yesterday's show of can't be botheredness. I just don't think you are the man for the job, sorry. The BestTrip2011
  • Score: 15

8:54am Sun 4 May 14

gloryhornet4 says...

ramage1996 wrote:
Im 100% behind Sannino, he should be in charge next season..

People asking for Malky, he was trying to get the Burnley job while under contract with us and walked out to go to Cardiff then took all our backrrom staff and took advantage of inside knowledge on Cowie's contract to get him for nothing..

Malky can **** off..

Sannino will get us promoted next season
He took a whole portfolio of player scouting as well that Watford paid the salaries and travelling expenses to scout. This should have been part of his severance agreement not to approach any player etc. He said Cowie would not sign for Watford anyway, but as the greedy Scot knows money talks.
[quote][p][bold]ramage1996[/bold] wrote: Im 100% behind Sannino, he should be in charge next season.. People asking for Malky, he was trying to get the Burnley job while under contract with us and walked out to go to Cardiff then took all our backrrom staff and took advantage of inside knowledge on Cowie's contract to get him for nothing.. Malky can **** off.. Sannino will get us promoted next season[/p][/quote]He took a whole portfolio of player scouting as well that Watford paid the salaries and travelling expenses to scout. This should have been part of his severance agreement not to approach any player etc. He said Cowie would not sign for Watford anyway, but as the greedy Scot knows money talks. gloryhornet4
  • Score: 4

8:58am Sun 4 May 14

gloryhornet4 says...

lockerbiehornet wrote:
Hornet Cornet wrote:
lockerbiehornet wrote:
And after spending over £250 on flights, car hire, fuel, parking and a ticket, I can't make you understand the pain my wallets going through right now!!!
Must admit Lockerbie, we have banter on here, you abuse me, I retort. But one thing remains constant. We are pals. Night night
That's all it ever is............ Banter nothing personal
Play nicely as it is expensive to watch a game even if you live over the sweet shop at Vic Rd.
[quote][p][bold]lockerbiehornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lockerbiehornet[/bold] wrote: And after spending over £250 on flights, car hire, fuel, parking and a ticket, I can't make you understand the pain my wallets going through right now!!![/p][/quote]Must admit Lockerbie, we have banter on here, you abuse me, I retort. But one thing remains constant. We are pals. Night night[/p][/quote]That's all it ever is............ Banter nothing personal[/p][/quote]Play nicely as it is expensive to watch a game even if you live over the sweet shop at Vic Rd. gloryhornet4
  • Score: 1

9:02am Sun 4 May 14

SJM...laugh at luton says...

Beppe u must go...u are not up for this...

Get Malky back now...80 percent of Watford fans would agree.
Beppe u must go...u are not up for this... Get Malky back now...80 percent of Watford fans would agree. SJM...laugh at luton
  • Score: -2

9:13am Sun 4 May 14

Essex Hornet says...

Hi

I like Beppe and think he is a decent and honest man but can he really sort out the problems we have with our squad. Sadly I don't think he can. In my view we need to make a change and get a new manager. The club also needs to really think again about it's merry go round recruitment policy and not only get in players that have ability and are suited to the championship but also players that care and want to really play for the shirt.

Yesterdays game was one of the worst I have seen at the Vic through forty years of supporting the Horns. Both teams really had nothing to play for but
it was clear to see from the off that Huddersfield approached the game with real hunger, enthusiasm and desire and we did the exact opposite. On yesterdays showing only four players came out of it with any real credit
Deeney
Angella
Toszer
Pudil
The rest seem to be getting ready for sitting on a beach somewhere. In recent weeks Beppe has had some strong words to say about the team but you have to seriously question how many of the players have been listening. The Charlton performance and yesterdays stroll would suggest they haven't. If Beppe has lost the players then he does have a serious problem on his hands.
Hi I like Beppe and think he is a decent and honest man but can he really sort out the problems we have with our squad. Sadly I don't think he can. In my view we need to make a change and get a new manager. The club also needs to really think again about it's merry go round recruitment policy and not only get in players that have ability and are suited to the championship but also players that care and want to really play for the shirt. Yesterdays game was one of the worst I have seen at the Vic through forty years of supporting the Horns. Both teams really had nothing to play for but it was clear to see from the off that Huddersfield approached the game with real hunger, enthusiasm and desire and we did the exact opposite. On yesterdays showing only four players came out of it with any real credit Deeney Angella Toszer Pudil The rest seem to be getting ready for sitting on a beach somewhere. In recent weeks Beppe has had some strong words to say about the team but you have to seriously question how many of the players have been listening. The Charlton performance and yesterdays stroll would suggest they haven't. If Beppe has lost the players then he does have a serious problem on his hands. Essex Hornet
  • Score: 15

9:44am Sun 4 May 14

SAHornet says...

ramage1996 wrote:
SAHornet wrote:
ramage1996 wrote:
WessexLad wrote:
“I can't make you understand the pain I have inside me."

More importantly, he can't make the players understand his pain, or anything else, particularly at half time. Isn't that the fundamental problem?
No maybe you are the problem?

He took over a team in free fall, 6 home loses in row under Zola wasnt it? He had no time to work with the players and turned it around when many on here were predicting relegation.
Don't really see how he has "turned it around". Our league position now is little better than when Zola left. Owners should have sacked Nani and insisted that Zola accepted help
I would suggest from losing 6 home games in a row to the new manager winning six home games in a row might be considered turning it around.
I understand where you are coming from but by the same token, has he improved on the away results at all? I agree that home results are better but you can't be called a competent manager if you can only improve 50% of the points that are available to you. I wish that replacing Zola with Beppe had worked but it clearly hasn't.
[quote][p][bold]ramage1996[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ramage1996[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WessexLad[/bold] wrote: “I can't make you understand the pain I have inside me." More importantly, he can't make the players understand his pain, or anything else, particularly at half time. Isn't that the fundamental problem?[/p][/quote]No maybe you are the problem? He took over a team in free fall, 6 home loses in row under Zola wasnt it? He had no time to work with the players and turned it around when many on here were predicting relegation.[/p][/quote]Don't really see how he has "turned it around". Our league position now is little better than when Zola left. Owners should have sacked Nani and insisted that Zola accepted help[/p][/quote]I would suggest from losing 6 home games in a row to the new manager winning six home games in a row might be considered turning it around.[/p][/quote]I understand where you are coming from but by the same token, has he improved on the away results at all? I agree that home results are better but you can't be called a competent manager if you can only improve 50% of the points that are available to you. I wish that replacing Zola with Beppe had worked but it clearly hasn't. SAHornet
  • Score: 8

10:02am Sun 4 May 14

Siwel Effilcinutt says...

You can all fantasise about what ifs etc. Long and short of it is we weren't good enough. The Pozzo's who said it was there goal to have Watford be a top ten Prem team haven't come up with the goods. If they were whole heartedly committed to it, they would of insured that we had the resources (ie. Vydra and a solid Chalobah replacement, or persuaded Hogg to stay) to enable Zola to do his job. I cannot bare to see the teams implosion over the last few months. There have been some highlights, but only some. To be fair we do need a British manager and Malky fits the bill, although not the fans favourite. It's easy to blame the manager, but the players are to blame also. Injuries haven't helped, but there has been some really poor displays. We need 2 new goalkeeper's as I do not see JB being a number one anytime soon and despite MA saves that he makes, he costs us more goals than good as he does not dive with his hands. We need to sign Toszer, have Abdi fit and play Battochio more. We need to get a partner for FF as I think that we are all resigned to losing RD this season. We need to act fast, secure the players and settle the ship. Have a tight pre-season. We will be ok. Forever Watford in my heart.
You can all fantasise about what ifs etc. Long and short of it is we weren't good enough. The Pozzo's who said it was there goal to have Watford be a top ten Prem team haven't come up with the goods. If they were whole heartedly committed to it, they would of insured that we had the resources (ie. Vydra and a solid Chalobah replacement, or persuaded Hogg to stay) to enable Zola to do his job. I cannot bare to see the teams implosion over the last few months. There have been some highlights, but only some. To be fair we do need a British manager and Malky fits the bill, although not the fans favourite. It's easy to blame the manager, but the players are to blame also. Injuries haven't helped, but there has been some really poor displays. We need 2 new goalkeeper's as I do not see JB being a number one anytime soon and despite MA saves that he makes, he costs us more goals than good as he does not dive with his hands. We need to sign Toszer, have Abdi fit and play Battochio more. We need to get a partner for FF as I think that we are all resigned to losing RD this season. We need to act fast, secure the players and settle the ship. Have a tight pre-season. We will be ok. Forever Watford in my heart. Siwel Effilcinutt
  • Score: -2

10:11am Sun 4 May 14

northofwatfordpete says...

There is always a problem with players not wanting to get injured in a meaningless match. Personally I would rather have seen a team of youth, reserve and squad players out there with something to prove and gain from the experience. Would give the fans the opportunity to see some of the lesser know members of the squad - losing at home 1-4 with would have been easier to take!
There is always a problem with players not wanting to get injured in a meaningless match. Personally I would rather have seen a team of youth, reserve and squad players out there with something to prove and gain from the experience. Would give the fans the opportunity to see some of the lesser know members of the squad - losing at home 1-4 with would have been easier to take! northofwatfordpete
  • Score: 1

10:19am Sun 4 May 14

Eastsussexhornet says...

SAHornet wrote:
ramage1996 wrote:
SAHornet wrote:
ramage1996 wrote:
WessexLad wrote:
“I can't make you understand the pain I have inside me."

More importantly, he can't make the players understand his pain, or anything else, particularly at half time. Isn't that the fundamental problem?
No maybe you are the problem?

He took over a team in free fall, 6 home loses in row under Zola wasnt it? He had no time to work with the players and turned it around when many on here were predicting relegation.
Don't really see how he has "turned it around". Our league position now is little better than when Zola left. Owners should have sacked Nani and insisted that Zola accepted help
I would suggest from losing 6 home games in a row to the new manager winning six home games in a row might be considered turning it around.
I understand where you are coming from but by the same token, has he improved on the away results at all? I agree that home results are better but you can't be called a competent manager if you can only improve 50% of the points that are available to you. I wish that replacing Zola with Beppe had worked but it clearly hasn't.
I am undecided about Sannino.

He seems genuine but the statistics say it all. We are one of the highest scorers in the league and have scored about 50% more than Brighton who got to the play-offs yesterday. But we ended mid-table. So, clearly, we are constantly haemorrhaging at the back. He was appointed because he is good at fixing defences.

It's all too easy to blame the manager and I think that most people over-state the influence a manager has. It is also easy to blame a single person rather than apportion it across a team so managers are always easy prey.

He can only play with the cards he's been dealt and he only joined the game two thirds of the way through.

As I say, I am undecided.
[quote][p][bold]SAHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ramage1996[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ramage1996[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WessexLad[/bold] wrote: “I can't make you understand the pain I have inside me." More importantly, he can't make the players understand his pain, or anything else, particularly at half time. Isn't that the fundamental problem?[/p][/quote]No maybe you are the problem? He took over a team in free fall, 6 home loses in row under Zola wasnt it? He had no time to work with the players and turned it around when many on here were predicting relegation.[/p][/quote]Don't really see how he has "turned it around". Our league position now is little better than when Zola left. Owners should have sacked Nani and insisted that Zola accepted help[/p][/quote]I would suggest from losing 6 home games in a row to the new manager winning six home games in a row might be considered turning it around.[/p][/quote]I understand where you are coming from but by the same token, has he improved on the away results at all? I agree that home results are better but you can't be called a competent manager if you can only improve 50% of the points that are available to you. I wish that replacing Zola with Beppe had worked but it clearly hasn't.[/p][/quote]I am undecided about Sannino. He seems genuine but the statistics say it all. We are one of the highest scorers in the league and have scored about 50% more than Brighton who got to the play-offs yesterday. But we ended mid-table. So, clearly, we are constantly haemorrhaging at the back. He was appointed because he is good at fixing defences. It's all too easy to blame the manager and I think that most people over-state the influence a manager has. It is also easy to blame a single person rather than apportion it across a team so managers are always easy prey. He can only play with the cards he's been dealt and he only joined the game two thirds of the way through. As I say, I am undecided. Eastsussexhornet
  • Score: 4

10:20am Sun 4 May 14

Stoney77 says...

Siwel Effilcinutt wrote:
You can all fantasise about what ifs etc. Long and short of it is we weren't good enough. The Pozzo's who said it was there goal to have Watford be a top ten Prem team haven't come up with the goods. If they were whole heartedly committed to it, they would of insured that we had the resources (ie. Vydra and a solid Chalobah replacement, or persuaded Hogg to stay) to enable Zola to do his job. I cannot bare to see the teams implosion over the last few months. There have been some highlights, but only some. To be fair we do need a British manager and Malky fits the bill, although not the fans favourite. It's easy to blame the manager, but the players are to blame also. Injuries haven't helped, but there has been some really poor displays. We need 2 new goalkeeper's as I do not see JB being a number one anytime soon and despite MA saves that he makes, he costs us more goals than good as he does not dive with his hands. We need to sign Toszer, have Abdi fit and play Battochio more. We need to get a partner for FF as I think that we are all resigned to losing RD this season. We need to act fast, secure the players and settle the ship. Have a tight pre-season. We will be ok. Forever Watford in my heart.
Are you on a wind up. The Pozzos have been here 2 years.
And can everyone stop going on about Hogg. He was slated week in week out on here, he wasn't up to the job. I wouldn't have wanted him in our team this year. He is an average championship club player
[quote][p][bold]Siwel Effilcinutt[/bold] wrote: You can all fantasise about what ifs etc. Long and short of it is we weren't good enough. The Pozzo's who said it was there goal to have Watford be a top ten Prem team haven't come up with the goods. If they were whole heartedly committed to it, they would of insured that we had the resources (ie. Vydra and a solid Chalobah replacement, or persuaded Hogg to stay) to enable Zola to do his job. I cannot bare to see the teams implosion over the last few months. There have been some highlights, but only some. To be fair we do need a British manager and Malky fits the bill, although not the fans favourite. It's easy to blame the manager, but the players are to blame also. Injuries haven't helped, but there has been some really poor displays. We need 2 new goalkeeper's as I do not see JB being a number one anytime soon and despite MA saves that he makes, he costs us more goals than good as he does not dive with his hands. We need to sign Toszer, have Abdi fit and play Battochio more. We need to get a partner for FF as I think that we are all resigned to losing RD this season. We need to act fast, secure the players and settle the ship. Have a tight pre-season. We will be ok. Forever Watford in my heart.[/p][/quote]Are you on a wind up. The Pozzos have been here 2 years. And can everyone stop going on about Hogg. He was slated week in week out on here, he wasn't up to the job. I wouldn't have wanted him in our team this year. He is an average championship club player Stoney77
  • Score: 3

10:31am Sun 4 May 14

inexile says...

I think the recruitment policy is at the heart of a lot of the problems - unbalanced squad, lack of leadership and team spirit - and then possibly compounded by the training regime under Zola.

It looks the coach is given an assortment of players, discover by "trial and error" where the painful gaps are, then use loans and short-term contracts to plug the gaps. Without Thorne then Toszer coming in this season could have been worse.

The manager (Zola, Beppe or any other) can be diminished in the eyes of the players when they look like a victim of the recruitment policy rather than the leader with the authority to fix the problems the squad has.... the unbalanced squad and lack of leadership within it must have been as obvious to the players as us.

Beppe is a man of integrity but he is neither the problem or the solution at the moment. To become the solution he needs to work with the owners / Duxbury / Nani to create a balanced squad with the right leadership and experience within it. Then we will see if Beppe has the motivational powers, training regime and tactics to succeed. If Beppe thinks he will not get the support, or looks at himself and decides the English Championship is not for him, he should resign.

I hope he gets a bigger say in recruitment and is given a go. We shouldn't judge him on the last three (non)performances.
I think the recruitment policy is at the heart of a lot of the problems - unbalanced squad, lack of leadership and team spirit - and then possibly compounded by the training regime under Zola. It looks the coach is given an assortment of players, discover by "trial and error" where the painful gaps are, then use loans and short-term contracts to plug the gaps. Without Thorne then Toszer coming in this season could have been worse. The manager (Zola, Beppe or any other) can be diminished in the eyes of the players when they look like a victim of the recruitment policy rather than the leader with the authority to fix the problems the squad has.... the unbalanced squad and lack of leadership within it must have been as obvious to the players as us. Beppe is a man of integrity but he is neither the problem or the solution at the moment. To become the solution he needs to work with the owners / Duxbury / Nani to create a balanced squad with the right leadership and experience within it. Then we will see if Beppe has the motivational powers, training regime and tactics to succeed. If Beppe thinks he will not get the support, or looks at himself and decides the English Championship is not for him, he should resign. I hope he gets a bigger say in recruitment and is given a go. We shouldn't judge him on the last three (non)performances. inexile
  • Score: 5

10:31am Sun 4 May 14

Sealegs says...

I am undecided on Sannino.

The statistics speak for themselves. We were one of the highest scoring teams in the league and we scored about 50% more goals than Brighton who reached the play-offs yesterday. So, it is clear that our problem has been the constant haemorrhaging at the back. Sannino was appointed because he's good at plugging defensive gaps, but he hasn't.

On the other hand, he can only play with the cards he's been dealt and he only joined the game 2/3 rds of the way through.

It is also easy to blame managers and I think that most people over-state the influence that they have. It is also easy to pick on one individual than to apportion blame to several, namely the players.

As I say, I am undecided...
I am undecided on Sannino. The statistics speak for themselves. We were one of the highest scoring teams in the league and we scored about 50% more goals than Brighton who reached the play-offs yesterday. So, it is clear that our problem has been the constant haemorrhaging at the back. Sannino was appointed because he's good at plugging defensive gaps, but he hasn't. On the other hand, he can only play with the cards he's been dealt and he only joined the game 2/3 rds of the way through. It is also easy to blame managers and I think that most people over-state the influence that they have. It is also easy to pick on one individual than to apportion blame to several, namely the players. As I say, I am undecided... Sealegs
  • Score: 1

10:36am Sun 4 May 14

Siwel Effilcinutt says...

Stoney77 wrote:
Siwel Effilcinutt wrote:
You can all fantasise about what ifs etc. Long and short of it is we weren't good enough. The Pozzo's who said it was there goal to have Watford be a top ten Prem team haven't come up with the goods. If they were whole heartedly committed to it, they would of insured that we had the resources (ie. Vydra and a solid Chalobah replacement, or persuaded Hogg to stay) to enable Zola to do his job. I cannot bare to see the teams implosion over the last few months. There have been some highlights, but only some. To be fair we do need a British manager and Malky fits the bill, although not the fans favourite. It's easy to blame the manager, but the players are to blame also. Injuries haven't helped, but there has been some really poor displays. We need 2 new goalkeeper's as I do not see JB being a number one anytime soon and despite MA saves that he makes, he costs us more goals than good as he does not dive with his hands. We need to sign Toszer, have Abdi fit and play Battochio more. We need to get a partner for FF as I think that we are all resigned to losing RD this season. We need to act fast, secure the players and settle the ship. Have a tight pre-season. We will be ok. Forever Watford in my heart.
Are you on a wind up. The Pozzos have been here 2 years.
And can everyone stop going on about Hogg. He was slated week in week out on here, he wasn't up to the job. I wouldn't have wanted him in our team this year. He is an average championship club player
So if Hogg is an average Championship player what is Sean Murray, Iriney, Fabrini, Acuna, Neill, Merkel I could go on but I won't. I believe in the Pozzo's Mantra but they have got it very wrong this season. On to next season. The point I was making we have gone from finishing 3rd and losing playoff final to mid table mediocrity. By anyone's book that's not improvement
[quote][p][bold]Stoney77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Siwel Effilcinutt[/bold] wrote: You can all fantasise about what ifs etc. Long and short of it is we weren't good enough. The Pozzo's who said it was there goal to have Watford be a top ten Prem team haven't come up with the goods. If they were whole heartedly committed to it, they would of insured that we had the resources (ie. Vydra and a solid Chalobah replacement, or persuaded Hogg to stay) to enable Zola to do his job. I cannot bare to see the teams implosion over the last few months. There have been some highlights, but only some. To be fair we do need a British manager and Malky fits the bill, although not the fans favourite. It's easy to blame the manager, but the players are to blame also. Injuries haven't helped, but there has been some really poor displays. We need 2 new goalkeeper's as I do not see JB being a number one anytime soon and despite MA saves that he makes, he costs us more goals than good as he does not dive with his hands. We need to sign Toszer, have Abdi fit and play Battochio more. We need to get a partner for FF as I think that we are all resigned to losing RD this season. We need to act fast, secure the players and settle the ship. Have a tight pre-season. We will be ok. Forever Watford in my heart.[/p][/quote]Are you on a wind up. The Pozzos have been here 2 years. And can everyone stop going on about Hogg. He was slated week in week out on here, he wasn't up to the job. I wouldn't have wanted him in our team this year. He is an average championship club player[/p][/quote]So if Hogg is an average Championship player what is Sean Murray, Iriney, Fabrini, Acuna, Neill, Merkel I could go on but I won't. I believe in the Pozzo's Mantra but they have got it very wrong this season. On to next season. The point I was making we have gone from finishing 3rd and losing playoff final to mid table mediocrity. By anyone's book that's not improvement Siwel Effilcinutt
  • Score: 3

10:57am Sun 4 May 14

Stoney77 says...

Siwel Effilcinutt wrote:
Stoney77 wrote:
Siwel Effilcinutt wrote:
You can all fantasise about what ifs etc. Long and short of it is we weren't good enough. The Pozzo's who said it was there goal to have Watford be a top ten Prem team haven't come up with the goods. If they were whole heartedly committed to it, they would of insured that we had the resources (ie. Vydra and a solid Chalobah replacement, or persuaded Hogg to stay) to enable Zola to do his job. I cannot bare to see the teams implosion over the last few months. There have been some highlights, but only some. To be fair we do need a British manager and Malky fits the bill, although not the fans favourite. It's easy to blame the manager, but the players are to blame also. Injuries haven't helped, but there has been some really poor displays. We need 2 new goalkeeper's as I do not see JB being a number one anytime soon and despite MA saves that he makes, he costs us more goals than good as he does not dive with his hands. We need to sign Toszer, have Abdi fit and play Battochio more. We need to get a partner for FF as I think that we are all resigned to losing RD this season. We need to act fast, secure the players and settle the ship. Have a tight pre-season. We will be ok. Forever Watford in my heart.
Are you on a wind up. The Pozzos have been here 2 years.
And can everyone stop going on about Hogg. He was slated week in week out on here, he wasn't up to the job. I wouldn't have wanted him in our team this year. He is an average championship club player
So if Hogg is an average Championship player what is Sean Murray, Iriney, Fabrini, Acuna, Neill, Merkel I could go on but I won't. I believe in the Pozzo's Mantra but they have got it very wrong this season. On to next season. The point I was making we have gone from finishing 3rd and losing playoff final to mid table mediocrity. By anyone's book that's not improvement
I'm not quite sure what point you are making in listing a load of players that everyone knows have been average and, apart from Murray, have barely been part of our squad since Christmas. My main concern with your post was with regards to the Pozzos not delivering their goal, having been here 2 years.
[quote][p][bold]Siwel Effilcinutt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stoney77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Siwel Effilcinutt[/bold] wrote: You can all fantasise about what ifs etc. Long and short of it is we weren't good enough. The Pozzo's who said it was there goal to have Watford be a top ten Prem team haven't come up with the goods. If they were whole heartedly committed to it, they would of insured that we had the resources (ie. Vydra and a solid Chalobah replacement, or persuaded Hogg to stay) to enable Zola to do his job. I cannot bare to see the teams implosion over the last few months. There have been some highlights, but only some. To be fair we do need a British manager and Malky fits the bill, although not the fans favourite. It's easy to blame the manager, but the players are to blame also. Injuries haven't helped, but there has been some really poor displays. We need 2 new goalkeeper's as I do not see JB being a number one anytime soon and despite MA saves that he makes, he costs us more goals than good as he does not dive with his hands. We need to sign Toszer, have Abdi fit and play Battochio more. We need to get a partner for FF as I think that we are all resigned to losing RD this season. We need to act fast, secure the players and settle the ship. Have a tight pre-season. We will be ok. Forever Watford in my heart.[/p][/quote]Are you on a wind up. The Pozzos have been here 2 years. And can everyone stop going on about Hogg. He was slated week in week out on here, he wasn't up to the job. I wouldn't have wanted him in our team this year. He is an average championship club player[/p][/quote]So if Hogg is an average Championship player what is Sean Murray, Iriney, Fabrini, Acuna, Neill, Merkel I could go on but I won't. I believe in the Pozzo's Mantra but they have got it very wrong this season. On to next season. The point I was making we have gone from finishing 3rd and losing playoff final to mid table mediocrity. By anyone's book that's not improvement[/p][/quote]I'm not quite sure what point you are making in listing a load of players that everyone knows have been average and, apart from Murray, have barely been part of our squad since Christmas. My main concern with your post was with regards to the Pozzos not delivering their goal, having been here 2 years. Stoney77
  • Score: 3

11:43am Sun 4 May 14

1234566789 says...

I posted this on another thread but am feeling arrogant today and want it to be read:

Let's get some perspective before we criticise the Pozzos and their model....

2 years ago we finished in 11th place with 64 points under Bassini and Dyche. The summer was a worry as we were on the brink of administration but had no real assets to sell after Graham, Cowie, Buckley and Sordell had all left over the last 12 months. Deeney was a nobody who would soon be getting a sentence at Her Majesty's. The East Stand had no real plans for development. We were averaging around 12,000 in attendance per game and the club was an absolute joke. We all feared the worst for the following season with the bookies making us among the favourites to get relegated to League 1.

Fast forward to now and we have finished two places lower, with four less points. However, we have an East Stand currently being built. We have 10,000 season tickets already sold for next season. We have Deeney as a top Championship striker who we might be able to keep, if not we can sell for £6m +. We have top players like Angella, Anya, Abdi and Forestieri all signed at the club. We are talking about what we need to do to improve and get promoted to the Premier League.

From the above, all I can say is that the Pozzos have entirely transformed our club. Maybe we just need to reign in our expectations a little bit and be thankful for where we are compared to where we could be.
I posted this on another thread but am feeling arrogant today and want it to be read: Let's get some perspective before we criticise the Pozzos and their model.... 2 years ago we finished in 11th place with 64 points under Bassini and Dyche. The summer was a worry as we were on the brink of administration but had no real assets to sell after Graham, Cowie, Buckley and Sordell had all left over the last 12 months. Deeney was a nobody who would soon be getting a sentence at Her Majesty's. The East Stand had no real plans for development. We were averaging around 12,000 in attendance per game and the club was an absolute joke. We all feared the worst for the following season with the bookies making us among the favourites to get relegated to League 1. Fast forward to now and we have finished two places lower, with four less points. However, we have an East Stand currently being built. We have 10,000 season tickets already sold for next season. We have Deeney as a top Championship striker who we might be able to keep, if not we can sell for £6m +. We have top players like Angella, Anya, Abdi and Forestieri all signed at the club. We are talking about what we need to do to improve and get promoted to the Premier League. From the above, all I can say is that the Pozzos have entirely transformed our club. Maybe we just need to reign in our expectations a little bit and be thankful for where we are compared to where we could be. 1234566789
  • Score: 20

1:15pm Sun 4 May 14

Siwel Effilcinutt says...

My point is - we are going backwards not forwards...you cannot disagree with me. The East Stand is great and it's brilliant for the club. Regardless of whether they were part of the squad or not, someone thought it be a good idea to bring em in.
My point is - we are going backwards not forwards...you cannot disagree with me. The East Stand is great and it's brilliant for the club. Regardless of whether they were part of the squad or not, someone thought it be a good idea to bring em in. Siwel Effilcinutt
  • Score: -3

2:00pm Sun 4 May 14

lutondown says...

SAHornet wrote:
ramage1996 wrote:
WessexLad wrote:
“I can't make you understand the pain I have inside me."

More importantly, he can't make the players understand his pain, or anything else, particularly at half time. Isn't that the fundamental problem?
No maybe you are the problem?

He took over a team in free fall, 6 home loses in row under Zola wasnt it? He had no time to work with the players and turned it around when many on here were predicting relegation.
Don't really see how he has "turned it around". Our league position now is little better than when Zola left. Owners should have sacked Nani and insisted that Zola accepted help
I totally agree.
Nani must go...he's the mastermind here. Nani goat indeed
[quote][p][bold]SAHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ramage1996[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WessexLad[/bold] wrote: “I can't make you understand the pain I have inside me." More importantly, he can't make the players understand his pain, or anything else, particularly at half time. Isn't that the fundamental problem?[/p][/quote]No maybe you are the problem? He took over a team in free fall, 6 home loses in row under Zola wasnt it? He had no time to work with the players and turned it around when many on here were predicting relegation.[/p][/quote]Don't really see how he has "turned it around". Our league position now is little better than when Zola left. Owners should have sacked Nani and insisted that Zola accepted help[/p][/quote]I totally agree. Nani must go...he's the mastermind here. Nani goat indeed lutondown
  • Score: 0

2:20pm Sun 4 May 14

Hornankey says...

1234566789 wrote:
I posted this on another thread but am feeling arrogant today and want it to be read:

Let's get some perspective before we criticise the Pozzos and their model....

2 years ago we finished in 11th place with 64 points under Bassini and Dyche. The summer was a worry as we were on the brink of administration but had no real assets to sell after Graham, Cowie, Buckley and Sordell had all left over the last 12 months. Deeney was a nobody who would soon be getting a sentence at Her Majesty's. The East Stand had no real plans for development. We were averaging around 12,000 in attendance per game and the club was an absolute joke. We all feared the worst for the following season with the bookies making us among the favourites to get relegated to League 1.

Fast forward to now and we have finished two places lower, with four less points. However, we have an East Stand currently being built. We have 10,000 season tickets already sold for next season. We have Deeney as a top Championship striker who we might be able to keep, if not we can sell for £6m +. We have top players like Angella, Anya, Abdi and Forestieri all signed at the club. We are talking about what we need to do to improve and get promoted to the Premier League.

From the above, all I can say is that the Pozzos have entirely transformed our club. Maybe we just need to reign in our expectations a little bit and be thankful for where we are compared to where we could be.
Well said. We all tend to get carried away by the emotion on matchday, particularly after such a spiritless performance as yesterday. The club has moved on tremendously from 24 months ago - the problem is that our expectations have also moved on! Looking forward to next season with great enthusiasm and no little expectation!
[quote][p][bold]1234566789[/bold] wrote: I posted this on another thread but am feeling arrogant today and want it to be read: Let's get some perspective before we criticise the Pozzos and their model.... 2 years ago we finished in 11th place with 64 points under Bassini and Dyche. The summer was a worry as we were on the brink of administration but had no real assets to sell after Graham, Cowie, Buckley and Sordell had all left over the last 12 months. Deeney was a nobody who would soon be getting a sentence at Her Majesty's. The East Stand had no real plans for development. We were averaging around 12,000 in attendance per game and the club was an absolute joke. We all feared the worst for the following season with the bookies making us among the favourites to get relegated to League 1. Fast forward to now and we have finished two places lower, with four less points. However, we have an East Stand currently being built. We have 10,000 season tickets already sold for next season. We have Deeney as a top Championship striker who we might be able to keep, if not we can sell for £6m +. We have top players like Angella, Anya, Abdi and Forestieri all signed at the club. We are talking about what we need to do to improve and get promoted to the Premier League. From the above, all I can say is that the Pozzos have entirely transformed our club. Maybe we just need to reign in our expectations a little bit and be thankful for where we are compared to where we could be.[/p][/quote]Well said. We all tend to get carried away by the emotion on matchday, particularly after such a spiritless performance as yesterday. The club has moved on tremendously from 24 months ago - the problem is that our expectations have also moved on! Looking forward to next season with great enthusiasm and no little expectation! Hornankey
  • Score: 3

2:25pm Sun 4 May 14

Willow23 says...

How have I got -16??? For saying that? Oh is it cos I think the east stand is a bit crap? Come on admit it that stand isn't that good and yeah it's good that finally something is being built but like it's still gonna have a 70's wall running down occupation road and then a five metre bit of wasteland behind the stand and actually count the amount of rows of seats. About fifteen I think I counted so that's what halfway up the rookery but cos the front is like 5m of the ground it looks like it is a big stand.
Anyway I'm ranting. We lose deeney in the summer we will go down I think. I mean if he didn't win player of the year who would have? Name me someone who came close?
How have I got -16??? For saying that? Oh is it cos I think the east stand is a bit crap? Come on admit it that stand isn't that good and yeah it's good that finally something is being built but like it's still gonna have a 70's wall running down occupation road and then a five metre bit of wasteland behind the stand and actually count the amount of rows of seats. About fifteen I think I counted so that's what halfway up the rookery but cos the front is like 5m of the ground it looks like it is a big stand. Anyway I'm ranting. We lose deeney in the summer we will go down I think. I mean if he didn't win player of the year who would have? Name me someone who came close? Willow23
  • Score: -12

3:16pm Sun 4 May 14

tonyevans22 says...

It is rumoured however that this lack of bite was more than just a case of the players being unbothered by the scoreline in a match that meant little for the club's final standing. Accusations of the squad being 'on the beach' before the season was finished are sure to abound, but more interesting are the stories that there was something of a training ground revolt following the loss at Charlton on Tuesday.

If rumours are to be believed, the squad was shaken by a small group of players who would not put up with the cancellation of a scheduled day off on Wednesday - a move made by Head Coach Beppe Sannino in the wake of Watford's poor performance at the Valley. It has been suggested that these players - conspicuous in thier absense from the first team squad yesterday - attempted to arrange a mass boycott of training on Wednesday.

This is not the first time this season that it has been suggested that there is dressing room unrest, and while results are unimpressive these stories are easier to believe. It is a serious concern if there is a set of players who have effectively attempted a mutiny, and in such circumstances serious questions have to be asked about what the best course of action involves.

If the rumours are true, Beppe Sannino's role must be called into question, as must the contracts of the players attempting to circumvent the authority of the Head Coach and the club itself. If there are players that have adversely affected morale and in turn our final performance, there is an argument to be had about whether they should be allowed to stay with the club in the long term. Equally, if the Head Coach has engendered an atmosphere in the club where key players are so frustrated that they attempt to undermine his position, questions must be asked of his methods and demeanour with the playing staff.

Read more: http://www.watford.v
italfootball.co.uk/s
itepage.asp?a=358084
#ixzz30kxKUxKv
It is rumoured however that this lack of bite was more than just a case of the players being unbothered by the scoreline in a match that meant little for the club's final standing. Accusations of the squad being 'on the beach' before the season was finished are sure to abound, but more interesting are the stories that there was something of a training ground revolt following the loss at Charlton on Tuesday. If rumours are to be believed, the squad was shaken by a small group of players who would not put up with the cancellation of a scheduled day off on Wednesday - a move made by Head Coach Beppe Sannino in the wake of Watford's poor performance at the Valley. It has been suggested that these players - conspicuous in thier absense from the first team squad yesterday - attempted to arrange a mass boycott of training on Wednesday. This is not the first time this season that it has been suggested that there is dressing room unrest, and while results are unimpressive these stories are easier to believe. It is a serious concern if there is a set of players who have effectively attempted a mutiny, and in such circumstances serious questions have to be asked about what the best course of action involves. If the rumours are true, Beppe Sannino's role must be called into question, as must the contracts of the players attempting to circumvent the authority of the Head Coach and the club itself. If there are players that have adversely affected morale and in turn our final performance, there is an argument to be had about whether they should be allowed to stay with the club in the long term. Equally, if the Head Coach has engendered an atmosphere in the club where key players are so frustrated that they attempt to undermine his position, questions must be asked of his methods and demeanour with the playing staff. Read more: http://www.watford.v italfootball.co.uk/s itepage.asp?a=358084 #ixzz30kxKUxKv tonyevans22
  • Score: -4

3:17pm Sun 4 May 14

ramage1996 says...

Willow23 wrote:
How have I got -16??? For saying that? Oh is it cos I think the east stand is a bit crap? Come on admit it that stand isn't that good and yeah it's good that finally something is being built but like it's still gonna have a 70's wall running down occupation road and then a five metre bit of wasteland behind the stand and actually count the amount of rows of seats. About fifteen I think I counted so that's what halfway up the rookery but cos the front is like 5m of the ground it looks like it is a big stand.
Anyway I'm ranting. We lose deeney in the summer we will go down I think. I mean if he didn't win player of the year who would have? Name me someone who came close?
That space behind is so the stand can be doubled in size if/when that is needed..
[quote][p][bold]Willow23[/bold] wrote: How have I got -16??? For saying that? Oh is it cos I think the east stand is a bit crap? Come on admit it that stand isn't that good and yeah it's good that finally something is being built but like it's still gonna have a 70's wall running down occupation road and then a five metre bit of wasteland behind the stand and actually count the amount of rows of seats. About fifteen I think I counted so that's what halfway up the rookery but cos the front is like 5m of the ground it looks like it is a big stand. Anyway I'm ranting. We lose deeney in the summer we will go down I think. I mean if he didn't win player of the year who would have? Name me someone who came close?[/p][/quote]That space behind is so the stand can be doubled in size if/when that is needed.. ramage1996
  • Score: 6

3:42pm Sun 4 May 14

endean2 says...

tonyevans22 wrote:
It is rumoured however that this lack of bite was more than just a case of the players being unbothered by the scoreline in a match that meant little for the club's final standing. Accusations of the squad being 'on the beach' before the season was finished are sure to abound, but more interesting are the stories that there was something of a training ground revolt following the loss at Charlton on Tuesday.

If rumours are to be believed, the squad was shaken by a small group of players who would not put up with the cancellation of a scheduled day off on Wednesday - a move made by Head Coach Beppe Sannino in the wake of Watford's poor performance at the Valley. It has been suggested that these players - conspicuous in thier absense from the first team squad yesterday - attempted to arrange a mass boycott of training on Wednesday.

This is not the first time this season that it has been suggested that there is dressing room unrest, and while results are unimpressive these stories are easier to believe. It is a serious concern if there is a set of players who have effectively attempted a mutiny, and in such circumstances serious questions have to be asked about what the best course of action involves.

If the rumours are true, Beppe Sannino's role must be called into question, as must the contracts of the players attempting to circumvent the authority of the Head Coach and the club itself. If there are players that have adversely affected morale and in turn our final performance, there is an argument to be had about whether they should be allowed to stay with the club in the long term. Equally, if the Head Coach has engendered an atmosphere in the club where key players are so frustrated that they attempt to undermine his position, questions must be asked of his methods and demeanour with the playing staff.

Read more: http://www.watford.v

italfootball.co.uk/s

itepage.asp?a=358084

#ixzz30kxKUxKv
I want names, I need names
then they can be exterminated
[quote][p][bold]tonyevans22[/bold] wrote: It is rumoured however that this lack of bite was more than just a case of the players being unbothered by the scoreline in a match that meant little for the club's final standing. Accusations of the squad being 'on the beach' before the season was finished are sure to abound, but more interesting are the stories that there was something of a training ground revolt following the loss at Charlton on Tuesday. If rumours are to be believed, the squad was shaken by a small group of players who would not put up with the cancellation of a scheduled day off on Wednesday - a move made by Head Coach Beppe Sannino in the wake of Watford's poor performance at the Valley. It has been suggested that these players - conspicuous in thier absense from the first team squad yesterday - attempted to arrange a mass boycott of training on Wednesday. This is not the first time this season that it has been suggested that there is dressing room unrest, and while results are unimpressive these stories are easier to believe. It is a serious concern if there is a set of players who have effectively attempted a mutiny, and in such circumstances serious questions have to be asked about what the best course of action involves. If the rumours are true, Beppe Sannino's role must be called into question, as must the contracts of the players attempting to circumvent the authority of the Head Coach and the club itself. If there are players that have adversely affected morale and in turn our final performance, there is an argument to be had about whether they should be allowed to stay with the club in the long term. Equally, if the Head Coach has engendered an atmosphere in the club where key players are so frustrated that they attempt to undermine his position, questions must be asked of his methods and demeanour with the playing staff. Read more: http://www.watford.v italfootball.co.uk/s itepage.asp?a=358084 #ixzz30kxKUxKv[/p][/quote]I want names, I need names then they can be exterminated endean2
  • Score: 2

3:48pm Sun 4 May 14

Meadey39 says...

ramage1996 wrote:
Im 100% behind Sannino, he should be in charge next season..

People asking for Malky, he was trying to get the Burnley job while under contract with us and walked out to go to Cardiff then took all our backrrom staff and took advantage of inside knowledge on Cowie's contract to get him for nothing..

Malky can **** off..

Sannino will get us promoted next season
Yes, why did he leave? Because he and the rest of us were being shafted by that crook Bassini. Many of the players wanted out at the time, so Malky was right to leave. Really , the new owners only have themselves to blame, Dyche has proved what a top manager he will become. Mackay won't come back anyway, he is a manager, not a head coach
[quote][p][bold]ramage1996[/bold] wrote: Im 100% behind Sannino, he should be in charge next season.. People asking for Malky, he was trying to get the Burnley job while under contract with us and walked out to go to Cardiff then took all our backrrom staff and took advantage of inside knowledge on Cowie's contract to get him for nothing.. Malky can **** off.. Sannino will get us promoted next season[/p][/quote]Yes, why did he leave? Because he and the rest of us were being shafted by that crook Bassini. Many of the players wanted out at the time, so Malky was right to leave. Really , the new owners only have themselves to blame, Dyche has proved what a top manager he will become. Mackay won't come back anyway, he is a manager, not a head coach Meadey39
  • Score: 0

3:51pm Sun 4 May 14

Henry VIII says...

endean2 wrote:
Henry VIII wrote:
For me the fans who are directing their anger at Beppe have it wrong. As I said on another post, he was signed to stop the dreadful run we were on and to stable the situation - and he did that, his contract from the start was only until May. In the week he made an excellent statement, bringing the players in for a days training - todays response was a clear reflection of what is and has been wrong in the game for several years - many players think that they are bigger and better than the club they are at. They have huge egos. Football fans view it all very differently. This is our club, a club for life. For players probably 86 of the 92 clubs are essentially stop-gaps. You learn your trade and move on, working towards a better deal and financial security. As fans we see these players come and go, the Doyley's of the modern game are a very rare breed - we should count our blessings that we have one at our club, most do not. What I am trying t say that todays on the field antics show how much respect they have for Beppe - and for us fans. They should be utterly disgusted with themselves, most of the players would have been an insult to a pub team - but don't blame the manager, it is the fabric of many lazy, arrogant footballers who are too immature to handle criticism, they think it beneath them. I am grateful for Beppe keeping us up. I think there will be a major clear out this summer, and for the third year in a row many changes - but hopefully our owners will be a little more selective on their singings - plus hopefully we will have a couple of gutsy British players added who get what it takes to succeed in this division. Like all fans I will always love this club, but todays showing should be filmed and shared with other clubs that are looking for new players for next season - in the Conference. Today was an insult to the Watford fans, and that is totally inexcusable. I hope we never see several of todays players ever again at this club.
well said there,agree with all that.As a matter of interest who would you wish
to never see again?
Cassetti is now too slow, Murray and Pudil for certain. I also think we need to get an established goalkeeper, Bond (who I have liked) seems to have lost his confidence. Although Toszer has been quality even he had a very poor game yesterday, which shows the infection of negativity within a team.... Barry Endean, what a game that was against Liverpool!!
[quote][p][bold]endean2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Henry VIII[/bold] wrote: For me the fans who are directing their anger at Beppe have it wrong. As I said on another post, he was signed to stop the dreadful run we were on and to stable the situation - and he did that, his contract from the start was only until May. In the week he made an excellent statement, bringing the players in for a days training - todays response was a clear reflection of what is and has been wrong in the game for several years - many players think that they are bigger and better than the club they are at. They have huge egos. Football fans view it all very differently. This is our club, a club for life. For players probably 86 of the 92 clubs are essentially stop-gaps. You learn your trade and move on, working towards a better deal and financial security. As fans we see these players come and go, the Doyley's of the modern game are a very rare breed - we should count our blessings that we have one at our club, most do not. What I am trying t say that todays on the field antics show how much respect they have for Beppe - and for us fans. They should be utterly disgusted with themselves, most of the players would have been an insult to a pub team - but don't blame the manager, it is the fabric of many lazy, arrogant footballers who are too immature to handle criticism, they think it beneath them. I am grateful for Beppe keeping us up. I think there will be a major clear out this summer, and for the third year in a row many changes - but hopefully our owners will be a little more selective on their singings - plus hopefully we will have a couple of gutsy British players added who get what it takes to succeed in this division. Like all fans I will always love this club, but todays showing should be filmed and shared with other clubs that are looking for new players for next season - in the Conference. Today was an insult to the Watford fans, and that is totally inexcusable. I hope we never see several of todays players ever again at this club.[/p][/quote]well said there,agree with all that.As a matter of interest who would you wish to never see again?[/p][/quote]Cassetti is now too slow, Murray and Pudil for certain. I also think we need to get an established goalkeeper, Bond (who I have liked) seems to have lost his confidence. Although Toszer has been quality even he had a very poor game yesterday, which shows the infection of negativity within a team.... Barry Endean, what a game that was against Liverpool!! Henry VIII
  • Score: -2

4:16pm Sun 4 May 14

Boosey says...

endean2 wrote:
tonyevans22 wrote:
It is rumoured however that this lack of bite was more than just a case of the players being unbothered by the scoreline in a match that meant little for the club's final standing. Accusations of the squad being 'on the beach' before the season was finished are sure to abound, but more interesting are the stories that there was something of a training ground revolt following the loss at Charlton on Tuesday.

If rumours are to be believed, the squad was shaken by a small group of players who would not put up with the cancellation of a scheduled day off on Wednesday - a move made by Head Coach Beppe Sannino in the wake of Watford's poor performance at the Valley. It has been suggested that these players - conspicuous in thier absense from the first team squad yesterday - attempted to arrange a mass boycott of training on Wednesday.

This is not the first time this season that it has been suggested that there is dressing room unrest, and while results are unimpressive these stories are easier to believe. It is a serious concern if there is a set of players who have effectively attempted a mutiny, and in such circumstances serious questions have to be asked about what the best course of action involves.

If the rumours are true, Beppe Sannino's role must be called into question, as must the contracts of the players attempting to circumvent the authority of the Head Coach and the club itself. If there are players that have adversely affected morale and in turn our final performance, there is an argument to be had about whether they should be allowed to stay with the club in the long term. Equally, if the Head Coach has engendered an atmosphere in the club where key players are so frustrated that they attempt to undermine his position, questions must be asked of his methods and demeanour with the playing staff.

Read more: http://www.watford.v


italfootball.co.uk/s


itepage.asp?a=358084


#ixzz30kxKUxKv
I want names, I need names
then they can be exterminated
Deeney, Raniege and McGugan.
[quote][p][bold]endean2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tonyevans22[/bold] wrote: It is rumoured however that this lack of bite was more than just a case of the players being unbothered by the scoreline in a match that meant little for the club's final standing. Accusations of the squad being 'on the beach' before the season was finished are sure to abound, but more interesting are the stories that there was something of a training ground revolt following the loss at Charlton on Tuesday. If rumours are to be believed, the squad was shaken by a small group of players who would not put up with the cancellation of a scheduled day off on Wednesday - a move made by Head Coach Beppe Sannino in the wake of Watford's poor performance at the Valley. It has been suggested that these players - conspicuous in thier absense from the first team squad yesterday - attempted to arrange a mass boycott of training on Wednesday. This is not the first time this season that it has been suggested that there is dressing room unrest, and while results are unimpressive these stories are easier to believe. It is a serious concern if there is a set of players who have effectively attempted a mutiny, and in such circumstances serious questions have to be asked about what the best course of action involves. If the rumours are true, Beppe Sannino's role must be called into question, as must the contracts of the players attempting to circumvent the authority of the Head Coach and the club itself. If there are players that have adversely affected morale and in turn our final performance, there is an argument to be had about whether they should be allowed to stay with the club in the long term. Equally, if the Head Coach has engendered an atmosphere in the club where key players are so frustrated that they attempt to undermine his position, questions must be asked of his methods and demeanour with the playing staff. Read more: http://www.watford.v italfootball.co.uk/s itepage.asp?a=358084 #ixzz30kxKUxKv[/p][/quote]I want names, I need names then they can be exterminated[/p][/quote]Deeney, Raniege and McGugan. Boosey
  • Score: 2

4:25pm Sun 4 May 14

Boosey says...

Boosey wrote:
endean2 wrote:
tonyevans22 wrote:
It is rumoured however that this lack of bite was more than just a case of the players being unbothered by the scoreline in a match that meant little for the club's final standing. Accusations of the squad being 'on the beach' before the season was finished are sure to abound, but more interesting are the stories that there was something of a training ground revolt following the loss at Charlton on Tuesday.

If rumours are to be believed, the squad was shaken by a small group of players who would not put up with the cancellation of a scheduled day off on Wednesday - a move made by Head Coach Beppe Sannino in the wake of Watford's poor performance at the Valley. It has been suggested that these players - conspicuous in thier absense from the first team squad yesterday - attempted to arrange a mass boycott of training on Wednesday.

This is not the first time this season that it has been suggested that there is dressing room unrest, and while results are unimpressive these stories are easier to believe. It is a serious concern if there is a set of players who have effectively attempted a mutiny, and in such circumstances serious questions have to be asked about what the best course of action involves.

If the rumours are true, Beppe Sannino's role must be called into question, as must the contracts of the players attempting to circumvent the authority of the Head Coach and the club itself. If there are players that have adversely affected morale and in turn our final performance, there is an argument to be had about whether they should be allowed to stay with the club in the long term. Equally, if the Head Coach has engendered an atmosphere in the club where key players are so frustrated that they attempt to undermine his position, questions must be asked of his methods and demeanour with the playing staff.

Read more: http://www.watford.v



italfootball.co.uk/s



itepage.asp?a=358084



#ixzz30kxKUxKv
I want names, I need names
then they can be exterminated
Deeney, Raniege and McGugan.
Names quoted are from the rumour mill but very strong rumours.
[quote][p][bold]Boosey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]endean2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tonyevans22[/bold] wrote: It is rumoured however that this lack of bite was more than just a case of the players being unbothered by the scoreline in a match that meant little for the club's final standing. Accusations of the squad being 'on the beach' before the season was finished are sure to abound, but more interesting are the stories that there was something of a training ground revolt following the loss at Charlton on Tuesday. If rumours are to be believed, the squad was shaken by a small group of players who would not put up with the cancellation of a scheduled day off on Wednesday - a move made by Head Coach Beppe Sannino in the wake of Watford's poor performance at the Valley. It has been suggested that these players - conspicuous in thier absense from the first team squad yesterday - attempted to arrange a mass boycott of training on Wednesday. This is not the first time this season that it has been suggested that there is dressing room unrest, and while results are unimpressive these stories are easier to believe. It is a serious concern if there is a set of players who have effectively attempted a mutiny, and in such circumstances serious questions have to be asked about what the best course of action involves. If the rumours are true, Beppe Sannino's role must be called into question, as must the contracts of the players attempting to circumvent the authority of the Head Coach and the club itself. If there are players that have adversely affected morale and in turn our final performance, there is an argument to be had about whether they should be allowed to stay with the club in the long term. Equally, if the Head Coach has engendered an atmosphere in the club where key players are so frustrated that they attempt to undermine his position, questions must be asked of his methods and demeanour with the playing staff. Read more: http://www.watford.v italfootball.co.uk/s itepage.asp?a=358084 #ixzz30kxKUxKv[/p][/quote]I want names, I need names then they can be exterminated[/p][/quote]Deeney, Raniege and McGugan.[/p][/quote]Names quoted are from the rumour mill but very strong rumours. Boosey
  • Score: 1

5:14pm Sun 4 May 14

watford1881 says...

Is finishing lower down the league than when Zola left progress... Think...
Is finishing lower down the league than when Zola left progress... Think... watford1881
  • Score: 2

5:38pm Sun 4 May 14

Stoney77 says...

watford1881 wrote:
Is finishing lower down the league than when Zola left progress... Think...
Difficult to judge tbh. 1 place lower is hardly concrete evidence of failure. When Zola left, we were in free fall. Halting that free fall could be seen as progress. Certainly halting a run of 5 successive home defeats and following with 1 home defeat in 10 would be seen as 'steadying the ship' at worst. Not saying BP is the long term answer but then I'm not sure that the Pozzo's see him as the long term solution. We will find out over the coming months I guess
[quote][p][bold]watford1881[/bold] wrote: Is finishing lower down the league than when Zola left progress... Think...[/p][/quote]Difficult to judge tbh. 1 place lower is hardly concrete evidence of failure. When Zola left, we were in free fall. Halting that free fall could be seen as progress. Certainly halting a run of 5 successive home defeats and following with 1 home defeat in 10 would be seen as 'steadying the ship' at worst. Not saying BP is the long term answer but then I'm not sure that the Pozzo's see him as the long term solution. We will find out over the coming months I guess Stoney77
  • Score: 3

10:21pm Sun 4 May 14

EltonForever says...

Hmmm.

Time to reflect, certainly.

I admire Bepe's honesty, but is that enough?

Players should be paid on results.

I am fed up hearing that players were not sufficiently up for the match.

I only want players in the team who want it, the rest can go elsewhere.
Hmmm. Time to reflect, certainly. I admire Bepe's honesty, but is that enough? Players should be paid on results. I am fed up hearing that players were not sufficiently up for the match. I only want players in the team who want it, the rest can go elsewhere. EltonForever
  • Score: 1

11:18am Mon 5 May 14

PozzoHornet says...

Hornet Cornet wrote:
ramage1996 wrote:
SAHornet wrote:
ramage1996 wrote:
WessexLad wrote:
“I can't make you understand the pain I have inside me."

More importantly, he can't make the players understand his pain, or anything else, particularly at half time. Isn't that the fundamental problem?
No maybe you are the problem?

He took over a team in free fall, 6 home loses in row under Zola wasnt it? He had no time to work with the players and turned it around when many on here were predicting relegation.
Don't really see how he has "turned it around". Our league position now is little better than when Zola left. Owners should have sacked Nani and insisted that Zola accepted help
I would suggest from losing 6 home games in a row to the new manager winning six home games in a row might be considered turning it around.
yes winning 1 out of 19 away games really has turned it around hasn't it.
A run that extended into Zola's reign as well btw.
[quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ramage1996[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ramage1996[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WessexLad[/bold] wrote: “I can't make you understand the pain I have inside me." More importantly, he can't make the players understand his pain, or anything else, particularly at half time. Isn't that the fundamental problem?[/p][/quote]No maybe you are the problem? He took over a team in free fall, 6 home loses in row under Zola wasnt it? He had no time to work with the players and turned it around when many on here were predicting relegation.[/p][/quote]Don't really see how he has "turned it around". Our league position now is little better than when Zola left. Owners should have sacked Nani and insisted that Zola accepted help[/p][/quote]I would suggest from losing 6 home games in a row to the new manager winning six home games in a row might be considered turning it around.[/p][/quote]yes winning 1 out of 19 away games really has turned it around hasn't it.[/p][/quote]A run that extended into Zola's reign as well btw. PozzoHornet
  • Score: 0

12:18pm Mon 5 May 14

PozzoHornet says...

If our last season and this season were switched around, there would be no complaints from anyone now. Let Sannino cut the fat of our bloated squad over the summer; persuade some of the players with quality but no grit to work harder; get the squad fit; and for crying out loud, have the club get a sports psychologist in to work with these players - they **** well need one.

This summer is the first big test of the Pozzos' ownership. There are decisions to be made over Deeney, Sannino and Nani (who, imo, is not even close to worth his £240,000 contract). In addition, there are rumours that Angella may go back to Udinese, and you can see lots of Udinese fans saying things like "we're waiting for you here in Friuli" to Angella over Twitter. The rumours about some of our youth players 'considering their options' (i.e. moving to a different academy because they see their chances in the first team as limited) are deeply worrying. It's essential, therefore, that O'Nien gets another contract and players like Doherty, Jakubiak and Byers get their pro deals while also getting some first team minutes here or there. Whilst it seemed a good deal at the time, and I don't blame the club for selling him, mistakes like the Assombalonga deal cannot be repeated. Surely, we'll get our chance to re-sign him this summer because of our first refusal.
If our last season and this season were switched around, there would be no complaints from anyone now. Let Sannino cut the fat of our bloated squad over the summer; persuade some of the players with quality but no grit to work harder; get the squad fit; and for crying out loud, have the club get a sports psychologist in to work with these players - they **** well need one. This summer is the first big test of the Pozzos' ownership. There are decisions to be made over Deeney, Sannino and Nani (who, imo, is not even close to worth his £240,000 contract). In addition, there are rumours that Angella may go back to Udinese, and you can see lots of Udinese fans saying things like "we're waiting for you here in Friuli" to Angella over Twitter. The rumours about some of our youth players 'considering their options' (i.e. moving to a different academy because they see their chances in the first team as limited) are deeply worrying. It's essential, therefore, that O'Nien gets another contract and players like Doherty, Jakubiak and Byers get their pro deals while also getting some first team minutes here or there. Whilst it seemed a good deal at the time, and I don't blame the club for selling him, mistakes like the Assombalonga deal cannot be repeated. Surely, we'll get our chance to re-sign him this summer because of our first refusal. PozzoHornet
  • Score: 0

12:54pm Mon 5 May 14

Guy Bov says...

Players need to take a good hard look at themselves, have let the club down badly
Players need to take a good hard look at themselves, have let the club down badly Guy Bov
  • Score: 1

2:52pm Mon 5 May 14

tonyevans22 says...

News broken out in the wobby as players revolt against training for next 2 weeks..Bbeppe has lost the dressing room.
News broken out in the wobby as players revolt against training for next 2 weeks..Bbeppe has lost the dressing room. tonyevans22
  • Score: 1

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