Row breaks out after Watford want players to train longer than initially planned

Watford players and management row

Watford players and management row

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A major row broke out between members of the Watford squad and the management in the build-up to Saturday’s match after the club told the squad they wanted them to train two weeks beyond the final game of the season.

Awful performances against Derby County on April 26 and Charlton Athletic three days later led to the club cancelling the team’s day off on Wednesday.

Head coach Beppe Sannino questioned the Hornets players’ passion and commitment after the two demoralising displays and along with cancelling their day off, the club’s senior management decided they wanted the squad to train longer than initially planned after Saturday’s season finale.

In most cases, teams come into training for a couple of days after the final match of the season for testing and meetings.

On Wednesday, Sannino told the players the club wanted them to train for two weeks after the Huddersfield Town match on Saturday, which was a week-and-a-half longer than stated previously.

Watford’s players are contracted until June 30 and the senior management believed their request was fair considering the level of performances in the Derby and Charlton fixtures.

But it led to an angry reaction from some of the players – some of whom already had holidays booked.

It was subsequently decided the players would train until this Friday, which was longer than initially planned but a week less than the club had wanted.

The displays against Derby and Charlton had upset the club and Sannino had called for a reaction in the final match of the season in front of the home supporters.

But what followed was one of the worst Watford performances in recent memory as the team lost 4-1 to Huddersfield.

A dejected Sannino was asked to clarify whether the players would be asked to train longer than expected after Saturday’s match.

“I don’t think my lads deserve to go on holiday straight after the season finishes but apart from that, we have some physical tests planned and we will carry on with that,” Sannino said.

“At the moment what is scheduled will happen. The physical testing has been organised so we will carry on with that.”

When asked if there were any plans to force the players to train beyond next week, Sannino replied: “No. I will confirm there is one week of testing and we will carry on like that.”

There were rumours certain players were omitted from the squad on Saturday because of the arguments on Wednesday. However, that was strongly denied by a club source last night, who stated the players left out had not trained on Friday due to minor injuries and that was why they were left out.

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12:01pm Mon 5 May 14

hemelhorn87 says...

Well this isn't good, I don't think this would have happened under any of the previous regimes, looks bad on Sannino even if we don't know all the facts, I can't see this relationship lasting long! Nothing has shown me that we have anything to look forward to next season, can begin to see why Beppe hasn't lasted long anywhere
Well this isn't good, I don't think this would have happened under any of the previous regimes, looks bad on Sannino even if we don't know all the facts, I can't see this relationship lasting long! Nothing has shown me that we have anything to look forward to next season, can begin to see why Beppe hasn't lasted long anywhere hemelhorn87
  • Score: -22

12:06pm Mon 5 May 14

MrHornet says...

Wow! Not good at all, something needs to give.
Fix bury said no to a squad overhaul but maybe it's needed for more reasons than not to
As abject the performances were - can understand players being miffed if they have already pre planned engagements to be told extra 2 weeks of training. At the end of the season surely the horse has already bolted and it's purely punishment, much better management to get them in 2 weeks early for next season ?
Wow! Not good at all, something needs to give. Fix bury said no to a squad overhaul but maybe it's needed for more reasons than not to As abject the performances were - can understand players being miffed if they have already pre planned engagements to be told extra 2 weeks of training. At the end of the season surely the horse has already bolted and it's purely punishment, much better management to get them in 2 weeks early for next season ? MrHornet
  • Score: 44

12:06pm Mon 5 May 14

VOReason says...

Sums the season up I'm afraid!
Sums the season up I'm afraid! VOReason
  • Score: 18

12:08pm Mon 5 May 14

MrHornet says...

In the build up to the game as well ?!
Surely that's got to be leadership 101 not to demotivated your players and start a row BEFORE a game ....
I am lost for words
In the build up to the game as well ?! Surely that's got to be leadership 101 not to demotivated your players and start a row BEFORE a game .... I am lost for words MrHornet
  • Score: 5

12:19pm Mon 5 May 14

Watfordpete says...

What are we to infer from this repeated use of the phrase "senior management" does this mean beyond Sannino, Nani for instance?
What are we to infer from this repeated use of the phrase "senior management" does this mean beyond Sannino, Nani for instance? Watfordpete
  • Score: 7

12:22pm Mon 5 May 14

VOReason says...

I'm behind the management here but clearly the players are not ...

I'm sure fining them all 2 weeks wages would hurt their pocket more than delaying their holiday for a week???!!!!

Clear out the ones who don't want to be there ...

I'd rather watch our kids than overpaid mercenaries
I'm behind the management here but clearly the players are not ... I'm sure fining them all 2 weeks wages would hurt their pocket more than delaying their holiday for a week???!!!! Clear out the ones who don't want to be there ... I'd rather watch our kids than overpaid mercenaries VOReason
  • Score: 74

12:27pm Mon 5 May 14

rousman 2 says...

The bloke (Sannino) is a clown get rid ASAP. Explains a lot with regard to the dire display we saw on Saturday, if you were going to get the player's back's up wait till after the last game.
The bloke (Sannino) is a clown get rid ASAP. Explains a lot with regard to the dire display we saw on Saturday, if you were going to get the player's back's up wait till after the last game. rousman 2
  • Score: -42

12:29pm Mon 5 May 14

VOReason says...

rousman 2 wrote:
The bloke (Sannino) is a clown get rid ASAP. Explains a lot with regard to the dire display we saw on Saturday, if you were going to get the player's back's up wait till after the last game.
Players cannot call the shots it's a disgrace ...

Especially our under performing ones ...
[quote][p][bold]rousman 2[/bold] wrote: The bloke (Sannino) is a clown get rid ASAP. Explains a lot with regard to the dire display we saw on Saturday, if you were going to get the player's back's up wait till after the last game.[/p][/quote]Players cannot call the shots it's a disgrace ... Especially our under performing ones ... VOReason
  • Score: 74

12:30pm Mon 5 May 14

PozzoHornet says...

Very disappointing move from the club. This was clearly not the way to handle this situation. Oh well... what's done is done. Hopefully this will just speed up the departure of any players who don't want to be here.
Very disappointing move from the club. This was clearly not the way to handle this situation. Oh well... what's done is done. Hopefully this will just speed up the departure of any players who don't want to be here. PozzoHornet
  • Score: 9

12:38pm Mon 5 May 14

shrodells67 says...

Maybe not a popular view just now, but I like Beppe and really would love him to succeed here.
It's been a while since we have had a manager who shows passion on the touchline, and I like to see it.
Surely the manager shouldn't need to threaten the players into playing well. Pride, contracts and a large pay packet should be enough, not to mention trying to give the paying fans something to appreciate.
I am more disappointed with the players attitudes with four straight passionless defeats.
Let the manager choose the players he wants to get in and he may stand a chance. This system of "there you go, work with that" stinks.
Maybe not a popular view just now, but I like Beppe and really would love him to succeed here. It's been a while since we have had a manager who shows passion on the touchline, and I like to see it. Surely the manager shouldn't need to threaten the players into playing well. Pride, contracts and a large pay packet should be enough, not to mention trying to give the paying fans something to appreciate. I am more disappointed with the players attitudes with four straight passionless defeats. Let the manager choose the players he wants to get in and he may stand a chance. This system of "there you go, work with that" stinks. shrodells67
  • Score: 72

12:57pm Mon 5 May 14

bristol hornet says...

That taxi is still waiting for Beppe.

This this latest shocking scenario only underlines the need for change!
That taxi is still waiting for Beppe. This this latest shocking scenario only underlines the need for change! bristol hornet
  • Score: -45

12:58pm Mon 5 May 14

Guy Bov says...

Jury's out re Sannino but I'm fully behind him on this one. If we were in the playoffs the players would not be off now, they would still be in training and if successful would be knocking on Nani's door for a new contract.

Players pathetic, even if holiday arrangements made they are rich enough to well afford booking a new one. If players wont buy into the project, get rid.
Jury's out re Sannino but I'm fully behind him on this one. If we were in the playoffs the players would not be off now, they would still be in training and if successful would be knocking on Nani's door for a new contract. Players pathetic, even if holiday arrangements made they are rich enough to well afford booking a new one. If players wont buy into the project, get rid. Guy Bov
  • Score: 81

1:26pm Mon 5 May 14

Willow and Jake says...

How can the players have booked holidays ? Up till 8 days ago we could have still reached the plays offs !
How can the players have booked holidays ? Up till 8 days ago we could have still reached the plays offs ! Willow and Jake
  • Score: 103

1:26pm Mon 5 May 14

Boosey says...

Some players booked holidays already? We still had a chance of the play offs until recently.
Typical attitude of overpaid players trying to call the shots and obviously thinking of the beach rather than Huddersfield.
The arrogance speaks volumes, they are contracted to the end of June, no wonder we didn't get in the play offs.
Going back to the game against Huddersfield, I cannot comment as I lost interest after 10 mins, what a shambles.
Some players booked holidays already? We still had a chance of the play offs until recently. Typical attitude of overpaid players trying to call the shots and obviously thinking of the beach rather than Huddersfield. The arrogance speaks volumes, they are contracted to the end of June, no wonder we didn't get in the play offs. Going back to the game against Huddersfield, I cannot comment as I lost interest after 10 mins, what a shambles. Boosey
  • Score: 56

1:38pm Mon 5 May 14

steveherts says...

The fact is that the players have been poor on the whole this season and they didnt replace the players we lost last season . Im sure a lot will leave this summer which will be a good thing as a lot walk round like legends in their own minds and like they dont care either way unlike Bepe who needs to be supported with players he wants and needs unlike in jan when he wanted a player and rather than get a deal done we ended up with the Arsenal guy who did nothing.
The fact is that the players have been poor on the whole this season and they didnt replace the players we lost last season . Im sure a lot will leave this summer which will be a good thing as a lot walk round like legends in their own minds and like they dont care either way unlike Bepe who needs to be supported with players he wants and needs unlike in jan when he wanted a player and rather than get a deal done we ended up with the Arsenal guy who did nothing. steveherts
  • Score: 25

1:40pm Mon 5 May 14

andyandyandy says...

Dressing room lost!
Dressing room lost! andyandyandy
  • Score: 6

1:41pm Mon 5 May 14

SuperHorn says...

Not being funny but they have really long holidays as it is and for the money they are on, they really shouldn't be complaining about losing 2 weeks of holiday to play football. It's not like they are hard done by
Not being funny but they have really long holidays as it is and for the money they are on, they really shouldn't be complaining about losing 2 weeks of holiday to play football. It's not like they are hard done by SuperHorn
  • Score: 29

1:53pm Mon 5 May 14

tgb1963 says...

With the management on this one. No arguments, just should have told them, those who turn up will be considered for next season, those who don't go on the transfer list. After the last four games no one would want them anyway!
With the management on this one. No arguments, just should have told them, those who turn up will be considered for next season, those who don't go on the transfer list. After the last four games no one would want them anyway! tgb1963
  • Score: 49

2:06pm Mon 5 May 14

VOReason says...

I'm absolutely fuming about this ...

I want names and answers ...

I have my suspicions ...

Could you imagine this happening with Eustace as captain?

Can you imagine hoban behaving like this? He genuinely looks honoured every this he's picked to where the shirt!

We need more like him and less faraonis ekstrands and reiras who I genuinely don't think care less about Watford ...

Rant over ... For now
I'm absolutely fuming about this ... I want names and answers ... I have my suspicions ... Could you imagine this happening with Eustace as captain? Can you imagine hoban behaving like this? He genuinely looks honoured every this he's picked to where the shirt! We need more like him and less faraonis ekstrands and reiras who I genuinely don't think care less about Watford ... Rant over ... For now VOReason
  • Score: 47

2:48pm Mon 5 May 14

mkhornet says...

The club needs to get rid of the players who just see Watford as a stop gap option who just want to get some games in and aren't committed to the club. Any new players coming in must want to play for us. Troy Deeney seems to have been hinting that there are certain players that aren't up for it and I agree. At least Sannino shows passion and desire, give him a chance and let him build his own squad with players that show the same commitment as he does.
The club needs to get rid of the players who just see Watford as a stop gap option who just want to get some games in and aren't committed to the club. Any new players coming in must want to play for us. Troy Deeney seems to have been hinting that there are certain players that aren't up for it and I agree. At least Sannino shows passion and desire, give him a chance and let him build his own squad with players that show the same commitment as he does. mkhornet
  • Score: 41

2:50pm Mon 5 May 14

tonyevans22 says...

Sannino: 'I can't make you understand the pain I have inside me' read what I posted 2 days ago on that thread..it was right,Beppe lost the dressing room.
Sannino: 'I can't make you understand the pain I have inside me' read what I posted 2 days ago on that thread..it was right,Beppe lost the dressing room. tonyevans22
  • Score: -15

2:50pm Mon 5 May 14

Poppet Bear says...

Sling out the trouble makers and we'll start with a new squad next season.
Max 25 players.
Sling out the trouble makers and we'll start with a new squad next season. Max 25 players. Poppet Bear
  • Score: 32

2:58pm Mon 5 May 14

Dunderdale Pinner says...

I am with the management. They run the club, not the players. Having said that I would prefer to fine the players two weeks wages and bring the new squad in two weeks earlier than usual. This should help with the "bonding" that all teams seem to need these days. A good HeadCoach/Captain relationship should have seen this such a situation would not happen. Has Bepe lost the dressing room? It certainly looks like it. In that case his days are probably numbered. The pozzos' are not adverse to changing managers/head coach. This begs the question of who will decide who will go and who will stay. If it is Mr. Nani, then I hope he will seek advice on what type of player is needed to get promoted out of the Championship.
I am with the management. They run the club, not the players. Having said that I would prefer to fine the players two weeks wages and bring the new squad in two weeks earlier than usual. This should help with the "bonding" that all teams seem to need these days. A good HeadCoach/Captain relationship should have seen this such a situation would not happen. Has Bepe lost the dressing room? It certainly looks like it. In that case his days are probably numbered. The pozzos' are not adverse to changing managers/head coach. This begs the question of who will decide who will go and who will stay. If it is Mr. Nani, then I hope he will seek advice on what type of player is needed to get promoted out of the Championship. Dunderdale Pinner
  • Score: 11

3:07pm Mon 5 May 14

endean2 says...

almost lost for words!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!
but not quiet
As already stated above, who the hell is running this club?

Clear out all these players who do not want to play for the club now
and lets start afresh for next season.
I believe we have created this problem for ourselves however with some
dreadful decisions on players brought in .
YES its the end of the road for Beppe and Nanni as well, poor and weak
management for a number of months.
Pozzos, we and you have a massive problem here and it needs clear and
decisive decisions from the very top now.
This is really a disgrace, sort this out or the repercussions will be around for a long time.
almost lost for words!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !! but not quiet As already stated above, who the hell is running this club? Clear out all these players who do not want to play for the club now and lets start afresh for next season. I believe we have created this problem for ourselves however with some dreadful decisions on players brought in . YES its the end of the road for Beppe and Nanni as well, poor and weak management for a number of months. Pozzos, we and you have a massive problem here and it needs clear and decisive decisions from the very top now. This is really a disgrace, sort this out or the repercussions will be around for a long time. endean2
  • Score: -1

3:07pm Mon 5 May 14

LoveKeithDublin says...

Massive changes required - players with heart needed for one.

Watching Faraoni repeatedly duck out of challenges the other day took me back to the Vialli days when mercenaries like Patrick Blondeau strutted about without a care in the world.

If people don't want to be here they should be allowed to go. Faraoni for one sounds like he's open to a move - good - let's get some players with passion in instead.
Massive changes required - players with heart needed for one. Watching Faraoni repeatedly duck out of challenges the other day took me back to the Vialli days when mercenaries like Patrick Blondeau strutted about without a care in the world. If people don't want to be here they should be allowed to go. Faraoni for one sounds like he's open to a move - good - let's get some players with passion in instead. LoveKeithDublin
  • Score: 32

3:19pm Mon 5 May 14

Willow23 says...

as I said on Sunday and got -16 someone show me where any optimism for next season is coming from?
as I said on Sunday and got -16 someone show me where any optimism for next season is coming from? Willow23
  • Score: -35

3:33pm Mon 5 May 14

1234566789 says...

Pretty poor from both sides really. Holidays being booked shouldn't come into it with the possibility of the play-offs and, with their contracts being until the end of June, they aren't really in a position to do this. However, I can see why they would be angry as it is a blatant punishment for bad performances. If you were one of the few playing well and let down by others around you, would you be happy at having with having 2 weeks holiday taken off you??
Pretty poor from both sides really. Holidays being booked shouldn't come into it with the possibility of the play-offs and, with their contracts being until the end of June, they aren't really in a position to do this. However, I can see why they would be angry as it is a blatant punishment for bad performances. If you were one of the few playing well and let down by others around you, would you be happy at having with having 2 weeks holiday taken off you?? 1234566789
  • Score: 3

3:39pm Mon 5 May 14

Traceyhornet says...

VOReason wrote:
I'm behind the management here but clearly the players are not ...

I'm sure fining them all 2 weeks wages would hurt their pocket more than delaying their holiday for a week???!!!!

Clear out the ones who don't want to be there ...

I'd rather watch our kids than overpaid mercenaries
Completely agree.
[quote][p][bold]VOReason[/bold] wrote: I'm behind the management here but clearly the players are not ... I'm sure fining them all 2 weeks wages would hurt their pocket more than delaying their holiday for a week???!!!! Clear out the ones who don't want to be there ... I'd rather watch our kids than overpaid mercenaries[/p][/quote]Completely agree. Traceyhornet
  • Score: 17

3:46pm Mon 5 May 14

andyandyandy says...

Magugan and Deeney were the two so I hear.
Magugan and Deeney were the two so I hear. andyandyandy
  • Score: -15

3:52pm Mon 5 May 14

Boosey says...

We need a manager not a coach. The manager should be the one recruiting, explaining the methods and style of play and what is expected from the player and to be told of the ambition of the club, the player must be the manager's choice, not someone who recruits a player for a decent salary and to be put in the shop window.
We want players who want to play for both the manager and the club.
We need a manager not a coach. The manager should be the one recruiting, explaining the methods and style of play and what is expected from the player and to be told of the ambition of the club, the player must be the manager's choice, not someone who recruits a player for a decent salary and to be put in the shop window. We want players who want to play for both the manager and the club. Boosey
  • Score: 14

4:19pm Mon 5 May 14

Traceyhornet says...

Whilst I agree that some of the players' need to move on asap, especially after this latest debacle, it is blatantly obvious that Sannino is very unpopular, and quite frankly if he can't command any respect from the players' then he's clearly not the man for the job.
Whilst I agree that some of the players' need to move on asap, especially after this latest debacle, it is blatantly obvious that Sannino is very unpopular, and quite frankly if he can't command any respect from the players' then he's clearly not the man for the job. Traceyhornet
  • Score: 10

4:21pm Mon 5 May 14

mellow yellow says...

This story is paving the way for a mass clear out, and the intimation is that is is way more than two or three players. If so, get rid. Above all else, I want someone to justify what Nani is actually doing. He got lucky, it now seems, in Year One, but there are very few decent acquisitions this season. Get rid.
This story is paving the way for a mass clear out, and the intimation is that is is way more than two or three players. If so, get rid. Above all else, I want someone to justify what Nani is actually doing. He got lucky, it now seems, in Year One, but there are very few decent acquisitions this season. Get rid. mellow yellow
  • Score: 19

4:49pm Mon 5 May 14

Meadey39 says...

No commitment, no passion, as suspected, most players don't want to play for Watford, they certainly dont want to play for Sannino. This does not bode well for the future.
No commitment, no passion, as suspected, most players don't want to play for Watford, they certainly dont want to play for Sannino. This does not bode well for the future. Meadey39
  • Score: 6

5:00pm Mon 5 May 14

tonyevans22 says...

andyandyandy wrote:
Magugan and Deeney were the two so I hear.
Deeney deserves a holiday,he has put effort in and scored 25 goals this season,and Mcgugan I have no problems with either,put effort in banged in 11 goals and he never get's any credit.All I will say is that the players are paid every week all year round.I don't get 2 months off work and holidays have to be approved in advance.Last year the players played to the end of may and had 6 weeks off before returning.The players look dead on there feet IMO.It is a fitness issue,over trained and too bloody knackered to last 90mins hence so many goals conceded in last 10 mins of games.
[quote][p][bold]andyandyandy[/bold] wrote: Magugan and Deeney were the two so I hear.[/p][/quote]Deeney deserves a holiday,he has put effort in and scored 25 goals this season,and Mcgugan I have no problems with either,put effort in banged in 11 goals and he never get's any credit.All I will say is that the players are paid every week all year round.I don't get 2 months off work and holidays have to be approved in advance.Last year the players played to the end of may and had 6 weeks off before returning.The players look dead on there feet IMO.It is a fitness issue,over trained and too bloody knackered to last 90mins hence so many goals conceded in last 10 mins of games. tonyevans22
  • Score: 10

5:02pm Mon 5 May 14

Hornankey says...

That explains the absentees, body language and disinterested performance on Saturday. Poor man management.
That explains the absentees, body language and disinterested performance on Saturday. Poor man management. Hornankey
  • Score: 4

5:18pm Mon 5 May 14

Stoney77 says...

Terrible man management. You just cant act that way as a manager. If people had holidays booked with their missus/kids, at a time when they would not be expected to report to work, you can't just tell them that they are not allowed to go. I don't buy the line they are contracted until end of June and so shouldn't be on holiday yet. All players go on holiday once the season ends - are they just meant to sit at home twiddling their thumbs? and I don't buy the 'they had a shot at the play offs 8 days earlier so shouldn't have booked yet' line either - it takes 30 mins to book a holiday.
And What the hell is the point of making them train for an extra 2 weeks after the season and before their holidays anyway - as has been stated before just tell them they must report for training 2 weeks earlier than planned to get some hard graft done in the gym etc etc. if they are devoted to their job they will follow Sean Murray's example from last summer, coming back hungry and fit as a fiddle.
I'm interested to find out who the 'senior management' are too.
This doesn't bode well for the summer. Get rid of any bad influences and spoilt brats. Don't care who they are - they're not needed at this club. And if Beppe has 'lost' those players who are not the 'bad eggs' then get rid of Beppe too.
Terrible man management. You just cant act that way as a manager. If people had holidays booked with their missus/kids, at a time when they would not be expected to report to work, you can't just tell them that they are not allowed to go. I don't buy the line they are contracted until end of June and so shouldn't be on holiday yet. All players go on holiday once the season ends - are they just meant to sit at home twiddling their thumbs? and I don't buy the 'they had a shot at the play offs 8 days earlier so shouldn't have booked yet' line either - it takes 30 mins to book a holiday. And What the hell is the point of making them train for an extra 2 weeks after the season and before their holidays anyway - as has been stated before just tell them they must report for training 2 weeks earlier than planned to get some hard graft done in the gym etc etc. if they are devoted to their job they will follow Sean Murray's example from last summer, coming back hungry and fit as a fiddle. I'm interested to find out who the 'senior management' are too. This doesn't bode well for the summer. Get rid of any bad influences and spoilt brats. Don't care who they are - they're not needed at this club. And if Beppe has 'lost' those players who are not the 'bad eggs' then get rid of Beppe too. Stoney77
  • Score: 9

5:25pm Mon 5 May 14

green chilli says...

andyandyandy wrote:
Magugan and Deeney were the two so I hear.
Deeney deserves a holiday,he has put effort in and scored 25 goals this season,and Mcgugan I have no problems with either,put effort in banged in 11 goals and he never get's any credit.All I will say is that the players are paid every week all year round.I don't get 2 months off work and holidays have to be approved in advance.Last year the players played to the end of may and had 6 weeks off before returning.The players look dead on there feet IMO.It is a fitness issue,over trained and too bloody knackered to last 90mins hence so many goals conceded in last 10 mins of games

Green chilli: says spot on, he his in england now and shud be ran like an english club. ( not like italian club) thats were the problems come from. Its down to him, just a bad manager!!!
andyandyandy wrote: Magugan and Deeney were the two so I hear. Deeney deserves a holiday,he has put effort in and scored 25 goals this season,and Mcgugan I have no problems with either,put effort in banged in 11 goals and he never get's any credit.All I will say is that the players are paid every week all year round.I don't get 2 months off work and holidays have to be approved in advance.Last year the players played to the end of may and had 6 weeks off before returning.The players look dead on there feet IMO.It is a fitness issue,over trained and too bloody knackered to last 90mins hence so many goals conceded in last 10 mins of games Green chilli: says spot on, he his in england now and shud be ran like an english club. ( not like italian club) thats were the problems come from. Its down to him, just a bad manager!!! green chilli
  • Score: -12

5:37pm Mon 5 May 14

SAHornet says...

Stoney77 wrote:
Terrible man management. You just cant act that way as a manager. If people had holidays booked with their missus/kids, at a time when they would not be expected to report to work, you can't just tell them that they are not allowed to go. I don't buy the line they are contracted until end of June and so shouldn't be on holiday yet. All players go on holiday once the season ends - are they just meant to sit at home twiddling their thumbs? and I don't buy the 'they had a shot at the play offs 8 days earlier so shouldn't have booked yet' line either - it takes 30 mins to book a holiday.
And What the hell is the point of making them train for an extra 2 weeks after the season and before their holidays anyway - as has been stated before just tell them they must report for training 2 weeks earlier than planned to get some hard graft done in the gym etc etc. if they are devoted to their job they will follow Sean Murray's example from last summer, coming back hungry and fit as a fiddle.
I'm interested to find out who the 'senior management' are too.
This doesn't bode well for the summer. Get rid of any bad influences and spoilt brats. Don't care who they are - they're not needed at this club. And if Beppe has 'lost' those players who are not the 'bad eggs' then get rid of Beppe too.
.....and most importantly for the long term of this club, boot Nani's arse out the door.
[quote][p][bold]Stoney77[/bold] wrote: Terrible man management. You just cant act that way as a manager. If people had holidays booked with their missus/kids, at a time when they would not be expected to report to work, you can't just tell them that they are not allowed to go. I don't buy the line they are contracted until end of June and so shouldn't be on holiday yet. All players go on holiday once the season ends - are they just meant to sit at home twiddling their thumbs? and I don't buy the 'they had a shot at the play offs 8 days earlier so shouldn't have booked yet' line either - it takes 30 mins to book a holiday. And What the hell is the point of making them train for an extra 2 weeks after the season and before their holidays anyway - as has been stated before just tell them they must report for training 2 weeks earlier than planned to get some hard graft done in the gym etc etc. if they are devoted to their job they will follow Sean Murray's example from last summer, coming back hungry and fit as a fiddle. I'm interested to find out who the 'senior management' are too. This doesn't bode well for the summer. Get rid of any bad influences and spoilt brats. Don't care who they are - they're not needed at this club. And if Beppe has 'lost' those players who are not the 'bad eggs' then get rid of Beppe too.[/p][/quote].....and most importantly for the long term of this club, boot Nani's arse out the door. SAHornet
  • Score: 7

5:47pm Mon 5 May 14

Hornets number 12 fan says...

Time for a restructuring of the club from upper management down to the players! This way of the manager not signing players is not working at all. Too many average players in the squad. Anyone that want out can go in my book. Get players who WANT to play for Watford in. I don't like a manager that can't speak English particularly and really we need a Championship savvy Manager pronto. Time for the owners to make BIG changes after this debacle of an end to the season!
Time for a restructuring of the club from upper management down to the players! This way of the manager not signing players is not working at all. Too many average players in the squad. Anyone that want out can go in my book. Get players who WANT to play for Watford in. I don't like a manager that can't speak English particularly and really we need a Championship savvy Manager pronto. Time for the owners to make BIG changes after this debacle of an end to the season! Hornets number 12 fan
  • Score: 3

5:48pm Mon 5 May 14

Sealegs says...

hemelhorn87 wrote:
Well this isn't good, I don't think this would have happened under any of the previous regimes, looks bad on Sannino even if we don't know all the facts, I can't see this relationship lasting long! Nothing has shown me that we have anything to look forward to next season, can begin to see why Beppe hasn't lasted long anywhere
It wouldn't have been his decision. I think you're just looking for excuses to bash him.
[quote][p][bold]hemelhorn87[/bold] wrote: Well this isn't good, I don't think this would have happened under any of the previous regimes, looks bad on Sannino even if we don't know all the facts, I can't see this relationship lasting long! Nothing has shown me that we have anything to look forward to next season, can begin to see why Beppe hasn't lasted long anywhere[/p][/quote]It wouldn't have been his decision. I think you're just looking for excuses to bash him. Sealegs
  • Score: 15

5:50pm Mon 5 May 14

Sealegs says...

MrHornet wrote:
Wow! Not good at all, something needs to give.
Fix bury said no to a squad overhaul but maybe it's needed for more reasons than not to
As abject the performances were - can understand players being miffed if they have already pre planned engagements to be told extra 2 weeks of training. At the end of the season surely the horse has already bolted and it's purely punishment, much better management to get them in 2 weeks early for next season ?
Agreed. I can't see the point of making a big issue about this unless they want to be sure they're all primed up for the annual visit to Borehamwood!
[quote][p][bold]MrHornet[/bold] wrote: Wow! Not good at all, something needs to give. Fix bury said no to a squad overhaul but maybe it's needed for more reasons than not to As abject the performances were - can understand players being miffed if they have already pre planned engagements to be told extra 2 weeks of training. At the end of the season surely the horse has already bolted and it's purely punishment, much better management to get them in 2 weeks early for next season ?[/p][/quote]Agreed. I can't see the point of making a big issue about this unless they want to be sure they're all primed up for the annual visit to Borehamwood! Sealegs
  • Score: -1

6:00pm Mon 5 May 14

tommy gunn says...

Whilst I agree with previous comments the players do not run the club, however , there has to be some purpose in training sessions otherwise you get players asking themselves what is the point of it all ?.These sessions could become farcical with some players not putting much effort into it and, in the end , the Manager could lose face .Far better to bring them in earlier in Pre season.
Whilst I agree with previous comments the players do not run the club, however , there has to be some purpose in training sessions otherwise you get players asking themselves what is the point of it all ?.These sessions could become farcical with some players not putting much effort into it and, in the end , the Manager could lose face .Far better to bring them in earlier in Pre season. tommy gunn
  • Score: 2

6:05pm Mon 5 May 14

craig239 says...

Here is the problem
Lots of players were sold the dream
Come to Watford and get promoted year 1 and you will be placed on prem wages
Bubble burst at Wembley and now have a squad of players who don't like the idea of not getting the promised wages - Squad now de- motivated
Zola couldn't handle the demotivation so now we have passionate ( whats he going to say or do next) latin manager who has now compounded the problem, If players are demotivated don't keep them for extra training to punish them CLEAR THEM OUT
The good news is the Pozzo's are not stupid financially so they will get it right but if the foundation is not right it can't work
Here is the problem Lots of players were sold the dream Come to Watford and get promoted year 1 and you will be placed on prem wages Bubble burst at Wembley and now have a squad of players who don't like the idea of not getting the promised wages - Squad now de- motivated Zola couldn't handle the demotivation so now we have passionate ( whats he going to say or do next) latin manager who has now compounded the problem, If players are demotivated don't keep them for extra training to punish them CLEAR THEM OUT The good news is the Pozzo's are not stupid financially so they will get it right but if the foundation is not right it can't work craig239
  • Score: 11

6:19pm Mon 5 May 14

EltonForever says...

I echo those who say that we should get rid of those players who do not want to play for Watford. No player is ever bigger than the club yet it appears that we have at least several on our books who think they are. There is nothing wrong with a bit of discipline. It has been lacking most of the season on the pitch. Now we hear that some players are upset because the manager has demanded 100% effort. Too bad, I say. Go play elsewhere.
I echo those who say that we should get rid of those players who do not want to play for Watford. No player is ever bigger than the club yet it appears that we have at least several on our books who think they are. There is nothing wrong with a bit of discipline. It has been lacking most of the season on the pitch. Now we hear that some players are upset because the manager has demanded 100% effort. Too bad, I say. Go play elsewhere. EltonForever
  • Score: 10

6:45pm Mon 5 May 14

VOReason says...

I want rid of:

Almunia (age injury prone and too many errors)
Bond (loan)
Belkalem (poor)
Ekstrand (poor season thinks he's better than us)
Brown (poor)
Hall (far to injury prone)
Nosworthy (let's move forward)
Doyley (just not good enough)
Cassetti (age)
Faraoni (attitude)
Riera (attitude)
Ireney (not good enough)
Merkel (showed nothing)
Murray (if we could get decent money for him)
Mcgugan (attitude and workrate)
Fabbrini (not suited to physical game)
Acuna (appeared not good enough)
Diakite (overpaid)
Neill (why)


That leaves me:

Anya
Pudil (squad player)
Deeney (probably leave if his choice)
Angella
Battochio (squad player)
Ranegie
Hoban
Forestieri
Abdi
Tozser (hopefully)
Ipuzu (never seen but young)

A few we 'll all agree on others like Murray and mcgugan are more debateable but what is for certain is that someone in charge of recruitment has a busy summer ahead of them. If we don't overhall squad we won't get any better.
I want rid of: Almunia (age injury prone and too many errors) Bond (loan) Belkalem (poor) Ekstrand (poor season thinks he's better than us) Brown (poor) Hall (far to injury prone) Nosworthy (let's move forward) Doyley (just not good enough) Cassetti (age) Faraoni (attitude) Riera (attitude) Ireney (not good enough) Merkel (showed nothing) Murray (if we could get decent money for him) Mcgugan (attitude and workrate) Fabbrini (not suited to physical game) Acuna (appeared not good enough) Diakite (overpaid) Neill (why) That leaves me: Anya Pudil (squad player) Deeney (probably leave if his choice) Angella Battochio (squad player) Ranegie Hoban Forestieri Abdi Tozser (hopefully) Ipuzu (never seen but young) A few we 'll all agree on others like Murray and mcgugan are more debateable but what is for certain is that someone in charge of recruitment has a busy summer ahead of them. If we don't overhall squad we won't get any better. VOReason
  • Score: 14

6:50pm Mon 5 May 14

weeblehorn says...

Just a thought....
If the Pozzos have a pool of over one hundred players with their three clubs and if they have one of the best scouting networks in the WORLD, WTF are watford doing finishing 13th in the second tier of English football. As i say, just a thought.....
Just a thought.... If the Pozzos have a pool of over one hundred players with their three clubs and if they have one of the best scouting networks in the WORLD, WTF are watford doing finishing 13th in the second tier of English football. As i say, just a thought..... weeblehorn
  • Score: 31

6:58pm Mon 5 May 14

watford4ever says...

This really is the incredibly stupid for two reasons

This sort of message is clearly not going to inspire the players to put in a performance of their lives
and
What is the point of two weeks training at the end of the season, better get the new squad together two weeks earlier to build a "team"!

Clueless!
This really is the incredibly stupid for two reasons This sort of message is clearly not going to inspire the players to put in a performance of their lives and What is the point of two weeks training at the end of the season, better get the new squad together two weeks earlier to build a "team"! Clueless! watford4ever
  • Score: 8

7:23pm Mon 5 May 14

bob bell says...

Saviours...indeed but consider this.
The Pozzo model has operated in three countries for over 30 seasons producing the same number of managers and winning NOTHING !
What it has achieved is a fortune for the family through player recruitment and sales but absolutely nothing by way of success for the fans who watch their three clubs. Unless of course success is measured by survival.
Their model only works for them and for the handful of players who have left the regime to go on to success elsewhere.
This close season we will lose Troy to a fat fee....great for him he deserves it !
What comes to replace him ? If current recruitment shows us anything it will be not to expect too much. The premiership offers a huge potential prize that cannot be achieved in either Italy or Spain so I hope that alone could be some reason to be optimistic.
We have a dressing room out of control through bad management. That includes the constant tinkering with player selection,loan disasters and the recruitment of mercenary players who are here just for the cash. Now the opportunity to gain bonuses through play off qualification has gone they head for the hills.
All you happy clappers out there will hate these comments and they will be seen as negative rather than realistic . I should be happy..Bas has gone and we are financially way better off than we were. Rome wasn't built in a day...unlike the snappy entitled Watford FC Community Stand...but I'm not.
Thanks to Ashcroft, the 'ring fenced' Simpson / Ashton partners, Bas and now this lot I just can't relate to my club anymore.. Now worst of all the prospect of red shorts !
Just end of season blues.
Saviours...indeed but consider this. The Pozzo model has operated in three countries for over 30 seasons producing the same number of managers and winning NOTHING ! What it has achieved is a fortune for the family through player recruitment and sales but absolutely nothing by way of success for the fans who watch their three clubs. Unless of course success is measured by survival. Their model only works for them and for the handful of players who have left the regime to go on to success elsewhere. This close season we will lose Troy to a fat fee....great for him he deserves it ! What comes to replace him ? If current recruitment shows us anything it will be not to expect too much. The premiership offers a huge potential prize that cannot be achieved in either Italy or Spain so I hope that alone could be some reason to be optimistic. We have a dressing room out of control through bad management. That includes the constant tinkering with player selection,loan disasters and the recruitment of mercenary players who are here just for the cash. Now the opportunity to gain bonuses through play off qualification has gone they head for the hills. All you happy clappers out there will hate these comments and they will be seen as negative rather than realistic . I should be happy..Bas has gone and we are financially way better off than we were. Rome wasn't built in a day...unlike the snappy entitled Watford FC Community Stand...but I'm not. Thanks to Ashcroft, the 'ring fenced' Simpson / Ashton partners, Bas and now this lot I just can't relate to my club anymore.. Now worst of all the prospect of red shorts ! Just end of season blues. bob bell
  • Score: -26

8:09pm Mon 5 May 14

HertsPeter says...

I'm glad we've got a manager who wants to see players put a sweat on. Sannino's backstory will tell you he has grafted **** hard to get where he is, whereas most of our players would not know a hard day's work from a hole in the ground. If they are serious about competing for the club next season then a few more shifts on the training ground now will be of benefit. Deeney should be grateful he is where he is i.e. with our shirt on his back, after dragging WFC's name through the mud a couple of years ago - not shouting the odds about his extensive holidays being cut short !!
I'm glad we've got a manager who wants to see players put a sweat on. Sannino's backstory will tell you he has grafted **** hard to get where he is, whereas most of our players would not know a hard day's work from a hole in the ground. If they are serious about competing for the club next season then a few more shifts on the training ground now will be of benefit. Deeney should be grateful he is where he is i.e. with our shirt on his back, after dragging WFC's name through the mud a couple of years ago - not shouting the odds about his extensive holidays being cut short !! HertsPeter
  • Score: 13

8:23pm Mon 5 May 14

mellow yellow says...

The reality is that no one comes out of this looking very good. The supposed two weeks extra will undoubtedly end up being three days at most... And what would it achieve anyway?! Bit like having a major strategic planning week with your closest colleagues, going away for a few weeks, and coming back to find practically none of them there anymore anyway! Back to square one.. Which, come August, is exactly where we will be playing-wise.

Lots of heads need banging together, from 'senior management' to the catering staff!

Happy close season, one and all!
The reality is that no one comes out of this looking very good. The supposed two weeks extra will undoubtedly end up being three days at most... And what would it achieve anyway?! Bit like having a major strategic planning week with your closest colleagues, going away for a few weeks, and coming back to find practically none of them there anymore anyway! Back to square one.. Which, come August, is exactly where we will be playing-wise. Lots of heads need banging together, from 'senior management' to the catering staff! Happy close season, one and all! mellow yellow
  • Score: 8

9:04pm Mon 5 May 14

Northern Hornet says...

M'eh. The season is over, lets see what the summer brings. See who remains, who goes and then go from there.
None of us are in charge so have no say, so there's no point getting het up over it.
Would be nice if Deeney stayed though.
M'eh. The season is over, lets see what the summer brings. See who remains, who goes and then go from there. None of us are in charge so have no say, so there's no point getting het up over it. Would be nice if Deeney stayed though. Northern Hornet
  • Score: 9

9:18pm Mon 5 May 14

gloryhornet4 says...

Stereotyping for which I do apologise, but having worked with Meds I say they generally don't take well to criticism and get defensive.

In their favour it is rather like our dear old national cricket side when things go well they win the Ashes, when they don't they get homesick and the wife calls on Skype saying I wish you were home and form drops big time. Let's face it is b/cold in SW Herts in the Winter and Med temperature it ain't.

So when having the wife in their ear about little Giovanni's birthday on say 10 May they are somewhat upset that they won't be home after all. Telling the wife I can't get back is a conjugal disaster far longer than it took Ross Jenkins Mark One to open his account. They are human.

I agree with all the above who say - right lads those who want to come back in July (or a bit earlier) and work their b0110cks off to get promoted -step forward. If you are not committed for acceptable pressure elsewhere or are just plain not bothered - be honest so we can ship you out at the end of June.
Stereotyping for which I do apologise, but having worked with Meds I say they generally don't take well to criticism and get defensive. In their favour it is rather like our dear old national cricket side when things go well they win the Ashes, when they don't they get homesick and the wife calls on Skype saying I wish you were home and form drops big time. Let's face it is b/cold in SW Herts in the Winter and Med temperature it ain't. So when having the wife in their ear about little Giovanni's birthday on say 10 May they are somewhat upset that they won't be home after all. Telling the wife I can't get back is a conjugal disaster far longer than it took Ross Jenkins Mark One to open his account. They are human. I agree with all the above who say - right lads those who want to come back in July (or a bit earlier) and work their b0110cks off to get promoted -step forward. If you are not committed for acceptable pressure elsewhere or are just plain not bothered - be honest so we can ship you out at the end of June. gloryhornet4
  • Score: 11

9:19pm Mon 5 May 14

The BestTrip2011 says...

If we wanted any indication or evidence that there is a disconnect between management and players well here it is.
If the story is true then I cannot believe the idiocatic decision to demand the players stay on an extra 2 weeks! Did Sannino or whoever else actually manages the team think this would get a positive response?! It's desparation in its extreme by a man who does not have the experience, credentials or language to obtain respect. That said, there are players wearing the a Watford shirt who don't give a sh1t about playing for our club and we've seen plenty of evidence of that over the last few weeks.
If we wanted any indication or evidence that there is a disconnect between management and players well here it is. If the story is true then I cannot believe the idiocatic decision to demand the players stay on an extra 2 weeks! Did Sannino or whoever else actually manages the team think this would get a positive response?! It's desparation in its extreme by a man who does not have the experience, credentials or language to obtain respect. That said, there are players wearing the a Watford shirt who don't give a sh1t about playing for our club and we've seen plenty of evidence of that over the last few weeks. The BestTrip2011
  • Score: 7

9:51pm Mon 5 May 14

SuperHorn says...

VOReason wrote:
I want rid of:

Almunia (age injury prone and too many errors)
Bond (loan)
Belkalem (poor)
Ekstrand (poor season thinks he's better than us)
Brown (poor)
Hall (far to injury prone)
Nosworthy (let's move forward)
Doyley (just not good enough)
Cassetti (age)
Faraoni (attitude)
Riera (attitude)
Ireney (not good enough)
Merkel (showed nothing)
Murray (if we could get decent money for him)
Mcgugan (attitude and workrate)
Fabbrini (not suited to physical game)
Acuna (appeared not good enough)
Diakite (overpaid)
Neill (why)


That leaves me:

Anya
Pudil (squad player)
Deeney (probably leave if his choice)
Angella
Battochio (squad player)
Ranegie
Hoban
Forestieri
Abdi
Tozser (hopefully)
Ipuzu (never seen but young)

A few we 'll all agree on others like Murray and mcgugan are more debateable but what is for certain is that someone in charge of recruitment has a busy summer ahead of them. If we don't overhall squad we won't get any better.
Not gonna lie to you, Diakite may be heavily overpaid but I actually think we should sign him. He played very well against Huddersfield when he came on and apart from the first few games, he has been alright
[quote][p][bold]VOReason[/bold] wrote: I want rid of: Almunia (age injury prone and too many errors) Bond (loan) Belkalem (poor) Ekstrand (poor season thinks he's better than us) Brown (poor) Hall (far to injury prone) Nosworthy (let's move forward) Doyley (just not good enough) Cassetti (age) Faraoni (attitude) Riera (attitude) Ireney (not good enough) Merkel (showed nothing) Murray (if we could get decent money for him) Mcgugan (attitude and workrate) Fabbrini (not suited to physical game) Acuna (appeared not good enough) Diakite (overpaid) Neill (why) That leaves me: Anya Pudil (squad player) Deeney (probably leave if his choice) Angella Battochio (squad player) Ranegie Hoban Forestieri Abdi Tozser (hopefully) Ipuzu (never seen but young) A few we 'll all agree on others like Murray and mcgugan are more debateable but what is for certain is that someone in charge of recruitment has a busy summer ahead of them. If we don't overhall squad we won't get any better.[/p][/quote]Not gonna lie to you, Diakite may be heavily overpaid but I actually think we should sign him. He played very well against Huddersfield when he came on and apart from the first few games, he has been alright SuperHorn
  • Score: 7

9:54pm Mon 5 May 14

Les Dyttle says...

Palace 3-0 down & nothing to play for - take note you lazy arrogant WFC players. Major sort out required again unfortunately to get some players in who have some bottle rather than holiday commitments.
Palace 3-0 down & nothing to play for - take note you lazy arrogant WFC players. Major sort out required again unfortunately to get some players in who have some bottle rather than holiday commitments. Les Dyttle
  • Score: 22

10:10pm Mon 5 May 14

Andrew1963 says...

weeblehorn wrote:
Just a thought....
If the Pozzos have a pool of over one hundred players with their three clubs and if they have one of the best scouting networks in the WORLD, WTF are watford doing finishing 13th in the second tier of English football. As i say, just a thought.....
They say that the Championship is the 7th most profitable league in the world. In terms of attendances it is the best 2nd teir league in the world. The Pozzo's will make more money out of Watford in the long term with us in the Championship than keeping Granada in La Liga. But the model is based on professional management of the off field activity and player trading. If this player spat was led by Deeney and McGugan, neither will be with us next year anyway. Nor will Anya or Angella. So new players are coming in. Better to start a new season early than stay behind. Mind you can I ask if we had got to the play off final, presumably the players upset and the thought of training to the 16 May were not intending playing at Wembley?
[quote][p][bold]weeblehorn[/bold] wrote: Just a thought.... If the Pozzos have a pool of over one hundred players with their three clubs and if they have one of the best scouting networks in the WORLD, WTF are watford doing finishing 13th in the second tier of English football. As i say, just a thought.....[/p][/quote]They say that the Championship is the 7th most profitable league in the world. In terms of attendances it is the best 2nd teir league in the world. The Pozzo's will make more money out of Watford in the long term with us in the Championship than keeping Granada in La Liga. But the model is based on professional management of the off field activity and player trading. If this player spat was led by Deeney and McGugan, neither will be with us next year anyway. Nor will Anya or Angella. So new players are coming in. Better to start a new season early than stay behind. Mind you can I ask if we had got to the play off final, presumably the players upset and the thought of training to the 16 May were not intending playing at Wembley? Andrew1963
  • Score: 4

10:10pm Mon 5 May 14

Hornet Cornet says...

I might as well put my thoughts down as various others have no doubt already mentioned but Beppe is trying to do the right thing. The level of performances have been dire. There are numerous players out there who could not give a to55 about playing for Watford and the call to make them train for longer post-season is absolutely the right thing to do. If players do not respect the boss then get out of our club.

Put things this way, if I performed as poorly in my job as they have, I would expect to have been sacked by now. Those overpaid 'players' that have a problem with training harder due to their ineptitude should be glad they have jobs. No doubt they haven't considered this basic fact of life.

HC
I might as well put my thoughts down as various others have no doubt already mentioned but Beppe is trying to do the right thing. The level of performances have been dire. There are numerous players out there who could not give a to55 about playing for Watford and the call to make them train for longer post-season is absolutely the right thing to do. If players do not respect the boss then get out of our club. Put things this way, if I performed as poorly in my job as they have, I would expect to have been sacked by now. Those overpaid 'players' that have a problem with training harder due to their ineptitude should be glad they have jobs. No doubt they haven't considered this basic fact of life. HC Hornet Cornet
  • Score: 15

10:12pm Mon 5 May 14

Andrew1963 says...

The BestTrip2011 wrote:
If we wanted any indication or evidence that there is a disconnect between management and players well here it is.
If the story is true then I cannot believe the idiocatic decision to demand the players stay on an extra 2 weeks! Did Sannino or whoever else actually manages the team think this would get a positive response?! It's desparation in its extreme by a man who does not have the experience, credentials or language to obtain respect. That said, there are players wearing the a Watford shirt who don't give a sh1t about playing for our club and we've seen plenty of evidence of that over the last few weeks.
When is this play off final we all hoped to get to then?
[quote][p][bold]The BestTrip2011[/bold] wrote: If we wanted any indication or evidence that there is a disconnect between management and players well here it is. If the story is true then I cannot believe the idiocatic decision to demand the players stay on an extra 2 weeks! Did Sannino or whoever else actually manages the team think this would get a positive response?! It's desparation in its extreme by a man who does not have the experience, credentials or language to obtain respect. That said, there are players wearing the a Watford shirt who don't give a sh1t about playing for our club and we've seen plenty of evidence of that over the last few weeks.[/p][/quote]When is this play off final we all hoped to get to then? Andrew1963
  • Score: 0

10:14pm Mon 5 May 14

matey_from_brighton says...

SuperHorn wrote:
VOReason wrote:
I want rid of:

Almunia (age injury prone and too many errors)
Bond (loan)
Belkalem (poor)
Ekstrand (poor season thinks he's better than us)
Brown (poor)
Hall (far to injury prone)
Nosworthy (let's move forward)
Doyley (just not good enough)
Cassetti (age)
Faraoni (attitude)
Riera (attitude)
Ireney (not good enough)
Merkel (showed nothing)
Murray (if we could get decent money for him)
Mcgugan (attitude and workrate)
Fabbrini (not suited to physical game)
Acuna (appeared not good enough)
Diakite (overpaid)
Neill (why)


That leaves me:

Anya
Pudil (squad player)
Deeney (probably leave if his choice)
Angella
Battochio (squad player)
Ranegie
Hoban
Forestieri
Abdi
Tozser (hopefully)
Ipuzu (never seen but young)

A few we 'll all agree on others like Murray and mcgugan are more debateable but what is for certain is that someone in charge of recruitment has a busy summer ahead of them. If we don't overhall squad we won't get any better.
Not gonna lie to you, Diakite may be heavily overpaid but I actually think we should sign him. He played very well against Huddersfield when he came on and apart from the first few games, he has been alright
Diakite had a good 20 minutes but the frightening thing is that he was on the pitch in the first place and the reason for that may be that we are considering signing him. Not good enough for a QPR side that are not good enough to get promoted and stupid enough to get sent off for a ridiculous challenge in his first game for a new club.

Agree with most of the original list of players to let go, but surely Battochio is not up to Championship level, so many times our attacks break down after one of his shoddy passes, also get pushed off the ball too easily.
[quote][p][bold]SuperHorn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VOReason[/bold] wrote: I want rid of: Almunia (age injury prone and too many errors) Bond (loan) Belkalem (poor) Ekstrand (poor season thinks he's better than us) Brown (poor) Hall (far to injury prone) Nosworthy (let's move forward) Doyley (just not good enough) Cassetti (age) Faraoni (attitude) Riera (attitude) Ireney (not good enough) Merkel (showed nothing) Murray (if we could get decent money for him) Mcgugan (attitude and workrate) Fabbrini (not suited to physical game) Acuna (appeared not good enough) Diakite (overpaid) Neill (why) That leaves me: Anya Pudil (squad player) Deeney (probably leave if his choice) Angella Battochio (squad player) Ranegie Hoban Forestieri Abdi Tozser (hopefully) Ipuzu (never seen but young) A few we 'll all agree on others like Murray and mcgugan are more debateable but what is for certain is that someone in charge of recruitment has a busy summer ahead of them. If we don't overhall squad we won't get any better.[/p][/quote]Not gonna lie to you, Diakite may be heavily overpaid but I actually think we should sign him. He played very well against Huddersfield when he came on and apart from the first few games, he has been alright[/p][/quote]Diakite had a good 20 minutes but the frightening thing is that he was on the pitch in the first place and the reason for that may be that we are considering signing him. Not good enough for a QPR side that are not good enough to get promoted and stupid enough to get sent off for a ridiculous challenge in his first game for a new club. Agree with most of the original list of players to let go, but surely Battochio is not up to Championship level, so many times our attacks break down after one of his shoddy passes, also get pushed off the ball too easily. matey_from_brighton
  • Score: 1

10:19pm Mon 5 May 14

matey_from_brighton says...

Rather than make them do 2 weeks training I would rather they were fined 2 weeks salary and that money was used to refund us mugs who went to Derby and Charlton, plus those of us at Saturdays debacle of course. Cant really see the point of 2 weeks training at this point of the year, but it begs the question of whether Bepe has control of the players as a group. Seems not to me and that means only one thing - new manager for next year on the cards.
Rather than make them do 2 weeks training I would rather they were fined 2 weeks salary and that money was used to refund us mugs who went to Derby and Charlton, plus those of us at Saturdays debacle of course. Cant really see the point of 2 weeks training at this point of the year, but it begs the question of whether Bepe has control of the players as a group. Seems not to me and that means only one thing - new manager for next year on the cards. matey_from_brighton
  • Score: 9

10:46pm Mon 5 May 14

rogeruk says...

Andrew1963 wrote:
weeblehorn wrote:
Just a thought....
If the Pozzos have a pool of over one hundred players with their three clubs and if they have one of the best scouting networks in the WORLD, WTF are watford doing finishing 13th in the second tier of English football. As i say, just a thought.....
They say that the Championship is the 7th most profitable league in the world. In terms of attendances it is the best 2nd teir league in the world. The Pozzo's will make more money out of Watford in the long term with us in the Championship than keeping Granada in La Liga. But the model is based on professional management of the off field activity and player trading. If this player spat was led by Deeney and McGugan, neither will be with us next year anyway. Nor will Anya or Angella. So new players are coming in. Better to start a new season early than stay behind. Mind you can I ask if we had got to the play off final, presumably the players upset and the thought of training to the 16 May were not intending playing at Wembley?
After tonight's defeat Granada looked doomed to relegation.
[quote][p][bold]Andrew1963[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]weeblehorn[/bold] wrote: Just a thought.... If the Pozzos have a pool of over one hundred players with their three clubs and if they have one of the best scouting networks in the WORLD, WTF are watford doing finishing 13th in the second tier of English football. As i say, just a thought.....[/p][/quote]They say that the Championship is the 7th most profitable league in the world. In terms of attendances it is the best 2nd teir league in the world. The Pozzo's will make more money out of Watford in the long term with us in the Championship than keeping Granada in La Liga. But the model is based on professional management of the off field activity and player trading. If this player spat was led by Deeney and McGugan, neither will be with us next year anyway. Nor will Anya or Angella. So new players are coming in. Better to start a new season early than stay behind. Mind you can I ask if we had got to the play off final, presumably the players upset and the thought of training to the 16 May were not intending playing at Wembley?[/p][/quote]After tonight's defeat Granada looked doomed to relegation. rogeruk
  • Score: -8

11:28pm Mon 5 May 14

Ramageland says...

rogeruk wrote:
Andrew1963 wrote:
weeblehorn wrote:
Just a thought....
If the Pozzos have a pool of over one hundred players with their three clubs and if they have one of the best scouting networks in the WORLD, WTF are watford doing finishing 13th in the second tier of English football. As i say, just a thought.....
They say that the Championship is the 7th most profitable league in the world. In terms of attendances it is the best 2nd teir league in the world. The Pozzo's will make more money out of Watford in the long term with us in the Championship than keeping Granada in La Liga. But the model is based on professional management of the off field activity and player trading. If this player spat was led by Deeney and McGugan, neither will be with us next year anyway. Nor will Anya or Angella. So new players are coming in. Better to start a new season early than stay behind. Mind you can I ask if we had got to the play off final, presumably the players upset and the thought of training to the 16 May were not intending playing at Wembley?
After tonight's defeat Granada looked doomed to relegation.
Granada drew 1-1. Still looks a bit ropey though!
[quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andrew1963[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]weeblehorn[/bold] wrote: Just a thought.... If the Pozzos have a pool of over one hundred players with their three clubs and if they have one of the best scouting networks in the WORLD, WTF are watford doing finishing 13th in the second tier of English football. As i say, just a thought.....[/p][/quote]They say that the Championship is the 7th most profitable league in the world. In terms of attendances it is the best 2nd teir league in the world. The Pozzo's will make more money out of Watford in the long term with us in the Championship than keeping Granada in La Liga. But the model is based on professional management of the off field activity and player trading. If this player spat was led by Deeney and McGugan, neither will be with us next year anyway. Nor will Anya or Angella. So new players are coming in. Better to start a new season early than stay behind. Mind you can I ask if we had got to the play off final, presumably the players upset and the thought of training to the 16 May were not intending playing at Wembley?[/p][/quote]After tonight's defeat Granada looked doomed to relegation.[/p][/quote]Granada drew 1-1. Still looks a bit ropey though! Ramageland
  • Score: 2

6:31am Tue 6 May 14

Tonytheaceman says...

Suggestion - get rid of the Seria B players and replace them with British premiership talent - jury still out on Beppe, would GZ come back with the right staff to help him?
Suggestion - get rid of the Seria B players and replace them with British premiership talent - jury still out on Beppe, would GZ come back with the right staff to help him? Tonytheaceman
  • Score: -1

7:17am Tue 6 May 14

endean2 says...

Oh for a Tony Pulis style of manager,there must be another cut from the same
mould that we could attract-- certainly not however with the existing set up
of Nani and the over reliance on Italian players.
Yes, it would seem we will have to start from scratch again next season,so be it then.
If we do not change our philosophy and continue in the same vein we will
be relegated next season.
Oh for a Tony Pulis style of manager,there must be another cut from the same mould that we could attract-- certainly not however with the existing set up of Nani and the over reliance on Italian players. Yes, it would seem we will have to start from scratch again next season,so be it then. If we do not change our philosophy and continue in the same vein we will be relegated next season. endean2
  • Score: -3

8:00am Tue 6 May 14

mkhornet says...

VOReason wrote:
I want rid of:

Almunia (age injury prone and too many errors)
Bond (loan)
Belkalem (poor)
Ekstrand (poor season thinks he's better than us)
Brown (poor)
Hall (far to injury prone)
Nosworthy (let's move forward)
Doyley (just not good enough)
Cassetti (age)
Faraoni (attitude)
Riera (attitude)
Ireney (not good enough)
Merkel (showed nothing)
Murray (if we could get decent money for him)
Mcgugan (attitude and workrate)
Fabbrini (not suited to physical game)
Acuna (appeared not good enough)
Diakite (overpaid)
Neill (why)


That leaves me:

Anya
Pudil (squad player)
Deeney (probably leave if his choice)
Angella
Battochio (squad player)
Ranegie
Hoban
Forestieri
Abdi
Tozser (hopefully)
Ipuzu (never seen but young)

A few we 'll all agree on others like Murray and mcgugan are more debateable but what is for certain is that someone in charge of recruitment has a busy summer ahead of them. If we don't overhall squad we won't get any better.
Agree with 99% of the above, except I'd keep Mcgugan (think he's done ok this seson and a midfielder that can score 11 goals is an asset), and I'd let Ranegie go (far too casual for my liking, never busts a gut).
[quote][p][bold]VOReason[/bold] wrote: I want rid of: Almunia (age injury prone and too many errors) Bond (loan) Belkalem (poor) Ekstrand (poor season thinks he's better than us) Brown (poor) Hall (far to injury prone) Nosworthy (let's move forward) Doyley (just not good enough) Cassetti (age) Faraoni (attitude) Riera (attitude) Ireney (not good enough) Merkel (showed nothing) Murray (if we could get decent money for him) Mcgugan (attitude and workrate) Fabbrini (not suited to physical game) Acuna (appeared not good enough) Diakite (overpaid) Neill (why) That leaves me: Anya Pudil (squad player) Deeney (probably leave if his choice) Angella Battochio (squad player) Ranegie Hoban Forestieri Abdi Tozser (hopefully) Ipuzu (never seen but young) A few we 'll all agree on others like Murray and mcgugan are more debateable but what is for certain is that someone in charge of recruitment has a busy summer ahead of them. If we don't overhall squad we won't get any better.[/p][/quote]Agree with 99% of the above, except I'd keep Mcgugan (think he's done ok this seson and a midfielder that can score 11 goals is an asset), and I'd let Ranegie go (far too casual for my liking, never busts a gut). mkhornet
  • Score: 2

8:15am Tue 6 May 14

mkhornet says...

Apparently Watford have spoken to former Roam and Fenerbache manager Zdenek Zeman about taking over at the Vic. The 66 year old Czech prefers a 4-3-3 system and has worked with Cassetti, Forrestieri and Merkel before.
Apparently Watford have spoken to former Roam and Fenerbache manager Zdenek Zeman about taking over at the Vic. The 66 year old Czech prefers a 4-3-3 system and has worked with Cassetti, Forrestieri and Merkel before. mkhornet
  • Score: 0

8:35am Tue 6 May 14

corbindallas says...

I think this explains a lot of the way we played in the last game, the players are contracted till 30th June so should expect to have to so what the club says, I think it is mixed with the word training but what they want to do is register the fitness levels, stamina etc during this period so that when they return pre season they are checked off as same or better or improvement needed, this is quite normal, the fact they want or should I say wanted was so that their records where higher after some intense training and therfore the onus will be on the players when they come back to peak their fitness back up to these levels, I guess this is partly why some revolted as it is not easy to do, also if rumour is true that Deeney was one of the voices then I cannot blame him after his season and maybe some should have been excused on those grounds after all a player needs to earn his contract! I guess this will spell an exit for some but also doesn't bode well for Beppe if he has lost both the good and bad players through this even though he and the 'senior management' were in their rights to demand this!
I think this explains a lot of the way we played in the last game, the players are contracted till 30th June so should expect to have to so what the club says, I think it is mixed with the word training but what they want to do is register the fitness levels, stamina etc during this period so that when they return pre season they are checked off as same or better or improvement needed, this is quite normal, the fact they want or should I say wanted was so that their records where higher after some intense training and therfore the onus will be on the players when they come back to peak their fitness back up to these levels, I guess this is partly why some revolted as it is not easy to do, also if rumour is true that Deeney was one of the voices then I cannot blame him after his season and maybe some should have been excused on those grounds after all a player needs to earn his contract! I guess this will spell an exit for some but also doesn't bode well for Beppe if he has lost both the good and bad players through this even though he and the 'senior management' were in their rights to demand this! corbindallas
  • Score: 2

9:06am Tue 6 May 14

madhorn says...

Something does not 'ring true' in the WO article on the so called bust up.
If WFC had made the play offs the players would have been around until Monday May 12th for the second leg, and as they didn't know their fate until after the Derby match on April 26th how could they have booked a holiday? Or have I missed the point?
Something does not 'ring true' in the WO article on the so called bust up. If WFC had made the play offs the players would have been around until Monday May 12th for the second leg, and as they didn't know their fate until after the Derby match on April 26th how could they have booked a holiday? Or have I missed the point? madhorn
  • Score: 2

9:41am Tue 6 May 14

VOReason says...

mkhornet wrote:
VOReason wrote:
I want rid of:

Almunia (age injury prone and too many errors)
Bond (loan)
Belkalem (poor)
Ekstrand (poor season thinks he's better than us)
Brown (poor)
Hall (far to injury prone)
Nosworthy (let's move forward)
Doyley (just not good enough)
Cassetti (age)
Faraoni (attitude)
Riera (attitude)
Ireney (not good enough)
Merkel (showed nothing)
Murray (if we could get decent money for him)
Mcgugan (attitude and workrate)
Fabbrini (not suited to physical game)
Acuna (appeared not good enough)
Diakite (overpaid)
Neill (why)


That leaves me:

Anya
Pudil (squad player)
Deeney (probably leave if his choice)
Angella
Battochio (squad player)
Ranegie
Hoban
Forestieri
Abdi
Tozser (hopefully)
Ipuzu (never seen but young)

A few we 'll all agree on others like Murray and mcgugan are more debateable but what is for certain is that someone in charge of recruitment has a busy summer ahead of them. If we don't overhall squad we won't get any better.
Agree with 99% of the above, except I'd keep Mcgugan (think he's done ok this seson and a midfielder that can score 11 goals is an asset), and I'd let Ranegie go (far too casual for my liking, never busts a gut).
I take both on board, Im hoping Rangeie has another level once settled, I have seen enough good stuff to suggest he may has, but also a lot of laziness which is a concern. Unfortunately I don't think we have EVER had a striker who runs as much as a motivated DEENEY, even Mooney and Heidar so replacing that will be tough.

McGugan is such a strange one, 10 + goals from midfield is amazing. But behind Battachio, Murray, Cassetti, Doyley and outside the top 10 in players player show the crowd were really not sold on him!
[quote][p][bold]mkhornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VOReason[/bold] wrote: I want rid of: Almunia (age injury prone and too many errors) Bond (loan) Belkalem (poor) Ekstrand (poor season thinks he's better than us) Brown (poor) Hall (far to injury prone) Nosworthy (let's move forward) Doyley (just not good enough) Cassetti (age) Faraoni (attitude) Riera (attitude) Ireney (not good enough) Merkel (showed nothing) Murray (if we could get decent money for him) Mcgugan (attitude and workrate) Fabbrini (not suited to physical game) Acuna (appeared not good enough) Diakite (overpaid) Neill (why) That leaves me: Anya Pudil (squad player) Deeney (probably leave if his choice) Angella Battochio (squad player) Ranegie Hoban Forestieri Abdi Tozser (hopefully) Ipuzu (never seen but young) A few we 'll all agree on others like Murray and mcgugan are more debateable but what is for certain is that someone in charge of recruitment has a busy summer ahead of them. If we don't overhall squad we won't get any better.[/p][/quote]Agree with 99% of the above, except I'd keep Mcgugan (think he's done ok this seson and a midfielder that can score 11 goals is an asset), and I'd let Ranegie go (far too casual for my liking, never busts a gut).[/p][/quote]I take both on board, Im hoping Rangeie has another level once settled, I have seen enough good stuff to suggest he may has, but also a lot of laziness which is a concern. Unfortunately I don't think we have EVER had a striker who runs as much as a motivated DEENEY, even Mooney and Heidar so replacing that will be tough. McGugan is such a strange one, 10 + goals from midfield is amazing. But behind Battachio, Murray, Cassetti, Doyley and outside the top 10 in players player show the crowd were really not sold on him! VOReason
  • Score: 1

9:52am Tue 6 May 14

bristol hornet says...

andyandyandy wrote:
Dressing room lost!
As previously stated, taxi still waiting for Beppe!
[quote][p][bold]andyandyandy[/bold] wrote: Dressing room lost![/p][/quote]As previously stated, taxi still waiting for Beppe! bristol hornet
  • Score: -8

10:02am Tue 6 May 14

garston tony says...

Shame on the players involved, they've a contract till a certain date and its their own bloody fault if they assumed they could get away earlier than that.

The reaction of those players just proves the management right in wanting them to stay on longer due to poor attitudes in recent weeks.
Shame on the players involved, they've a contract till a certain date and its their own bloody fault if they assumed they could get away earlier than that. The reaction of those players just proves the management right in wanting them to stay on longer due to poor attitudes in recent weeks. garston tony
  • Score: 6

10:17am Tue 6 May 14

Boosey says...

bristol hornet wrote:
andyandyandy wrote:
Dressing room lost!
As previously stated, taxi still waiting for Beppe!
If we believe in the rumours, for the good of the club unfortunately Beppe, Deeney, Mcgugan and Raniegie all have to leave plus Nani.
Also usually by this time of the week I am getting over the disappointment of losing but I still feel like ****.
On the other hand If rumours are to be believed, we are in for some very good news on the player front, fingers crossed.
[quote][p][bold]bristol hornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andyandyandy[/bold] wrote: Dressing room lost![/p][/quote]As previously stated, taxi still waiting for Beppe![/p][/quote]If we believe in the rumours, for the good of the club unfortunately Beppe, Deeney, Mcgugan and Raniegie all have to leave plus Nani. Also usually by this time of the week I am getting over the disappointment of losing but I still feel like ****. On the other hand If rumours are to be believed, we are in for some very good news on the player front, fingers crossed. Boosey
  • Score: 5

10:19am Tue 6 May 14

bobolongo says...

I think, our footballers are technically good enough to challenge for promotion next season. We could easily, easily have been in the play-offs this year. That's not the issue. The issue is the mentality. If we are a goal up with 10 mins to go we look petrified. We dont know how to shut up shop a la Mourinho... And the opposition always know that... It's all in the head. It's confidence. And Beppe is the right person to bring the confidence back. He's a motivator. Thats what I think he means by changing the DNA. Also, cant believe how many people saying they dont want to see Malky as manager. He was a great manager at this club and would do a fine job again. The only reason he left was cos he had t*at with a hat Bassini as his boss. Would anyone on this thread want to work for him? Exactly
I think, our footballers are technically good enough to challenge for promotion next season. We could easily, easily have been in the play-offs this year. That's not the issue. The issue is the mentality. If we are a goal up with 10 mins to go we look petrified. We dont know how to shut up shop a la Mourinho... And the opposition always know that... It's all in the head. It's confidence. And Beppe is the right person to bring the confidence back. He's a motivator. Thats what I think he means by changing the DNA. Also, cant believe how many people saying they dont want to see Malky as manager. He was a great manager at this club and would do a fine job again. The only reason he left was cos he had t*at with a hat Bassini as his boss. Would anyone on this thread want to work for him? Exactly bobolongo
  • Score: 5

10:49am Tue 6 May 14

rousman 2 says...

mkhornet wrote:
Apparently Watford have spoken to former Roam and Fenerbache manager Zdenek Zeman about taking over at the Vic. The 66 year old Czech prefers a 4-3-3 system and has worked with Cassetti, Forrestieri and Merkel before.
It seems that any one who might even get close to saying that Sannino will be gone gets the thumbs down. Why?his record speaks for itself poor. West Ham had a 70% big Sam should go voted by there supporters, be interesting if we had the same on here, come on WO give us a vote.
[quote][p][bold]mkhornet[/bold] wrote: Apparently Watford have spoken to former Roam and Fenerbache manager Zdenek Zeman about taking over at the Vic. The 66 year old Czech prefers a 4-3-3 system and has worked with Cassetti, Forrestieri and Merkel before.[/p][/quote]It seems that any one who might even get close to saying that Sannino will be gone gets the thumbs down. Why?his record speaks for itself poor. West Ham had a 70% big Sam should go voted by there supporters, be interesting if we had the same on here, come on WO give us a vote. rousman 2
  • Score: 2

11:00am Tue 6 May 14

family terrace rule says...

Easy to slate Sannino for this but it goes back to Zola and his 'Mr Nice Guy' management style. Lack of hard work on the training ground saw performances drop off towards the end of last season, leading to missing out on automatic promotion. Lack of fitness had to play a part in all the late goals conceded this season too. Maybe Sannino isn't the right man but we do need someone who's prepared to make himself unpopular with the lazier members of the squad. It is patently obvious that what they need is a proper, old-fashioned pre-season to get fitness levels where they need to be for a Championship campaign.
Easy to slate Sannino for this but it goes back to Zola and his 'Mr Nice Guy' management style. Lack of hard work on the training ground saw performances drop off towards the end of last season, leading to missing out on automatic promotion. Lack of fitness had to play a part in all the late goals conceded this season too. Maybe Sannino isn't the right man but we do need someone who's prepared to make himself unpopular with the lazier members of the squad. It is patently obvious that what they need is a proper, old-fashioned pre-season to get fitness levels where they need to be for a Championship campaign. family terrace rule
  • Score: 8

2:48pm Tue 6 May 14

Hornet Cornet says...

MrHornet wrote:
Wow! Not good at all, something needs to give.
Fix bury said no to a squad overhaul but maybe it's needed for more reasons than not to
As abject the performances were - can understand players being miffed if they have already pre planned engagements to be told extra 2 weeks of training. At the end of the season surely the horse has already bolted and it's purely punishment, much better management to get them in 2 weeks early for next season ?
I get your point but for me, if they don't want to help Watford by listening to an experienced manager, then they have no discipline and should be shipped out. Why wait til a few weeks before the season starts to then decide to get rid of them?

HC
[quote][p][bold]MrHornet[/bold] wrote: Wow! Not good at all, something needs to give. Fix bury said no to a squad overhaul but maybe it's needed for more reasons than not to As abject the performances were - can understand players being miffed if they have already pre planned engagements to be told extra 2 weeks of training. At the end of the season surely the horse has already bolted and it's purely punishment, much better management to get them in 2 weeks early for next season ?[/p][/quote]I get your point but for me, if they don't want to help Watford by listening to an experienced manager, then they have no discipline and should be shipped out. Why wait til a few weeks before the season starts to then decide to get rid of them? HC Hornet Cornet
  • Score: 0

8:19pm Tue 6 May 14

Scullion says...

Malky is available? We could do worse !
Malky is available? We could do worse ! Scullion
  • Score: 0

8:20pm Tue 6 May 14

Scullion says...

Malky is available. Not such a daft idea maybe??
Malky is available. Not such a daft idea maybe?? Scullion
  • Score: 1

9:58pm Tue 6 May 14

Monstermunch17 says...

The chickens are coming to roost for the Pozzos. The awful decision-making and egotistical appointments have led us up a cul-de-sac, and we're now in the horrible situation where players, managers and fans alike can't wait for the season to end, (although they are united on little else).
The chickens are coming to roost for the Pozzos. The awful decision-making and egotistical appointments have led us up a cul-de-sac, and we're now in the horrible situation where players, managers and fans alike can't wait for the season to end, (although they are united on little else). Monstermunch17
  • Score: -4

6:40pm Wed 7 May 14

watford1881 says...

Last season is best left as a distant memory...
Last season is best left as a distant memory... watford1881
  • Score: 0

9:49pm Wed 7 May 14

madhorn says...

The owners are never going to pay the sort of money that Malky can command. That would not fit the business plan .
Everyone seems to be assuming Sannino will leave and Malky would want to come back .
Dream on..................
.
The owners are never going to pay the sort of money that Malky can command. That would not fit the business plan . Everyone seems to be assuming Sannino will leave and Malky would want to come back . Dream on.................. . madhorn
  • Score: 1

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