Which eight Watford FC players should make The 1881's legends banner?

Watford Observer: Here is an example of the proposed design for The 1881's banner. Here is an example of the proposed design for The 1881's banner.

Watford fans are being asked to vote on which Hornets greats should be included in a legends banner which will be displayed at Vicarage Road.

Supporters group The 1881 are creating a 25m by 15m banner which will display Graham Taylor and eight of the club's greatest players.

The poll will include a shortlist of 49 players and is expected to be on the group's website www.the1881.com by 9am tomorrow morning.

The voting is scheduled to take place until early July and the banner should be ready in August or September.

The group are also encouraging fans to join them at the Watford Ladies versus Millwall Lionesses game at Berkhamsted Town on Sunday, July 6.

Who would make your eight-man shortlist? Leave a comment below and then cast your vote here from tomorrow. The 1881 stressed the need to read their accompanying post before voting.

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5:51pm Mon 2 Jun 14

RobboBTC says...

Since I've been watching Watford it'd be something like...Mclelland, Coton, Blissett, Furlong, Mooney, Helguson, Robinson and Doyley.
Since I've been watching Watford it'd be something like...Mclelland, Coton, Blissett, Furlong, Mooney, Helguson, Robinson and Doyley. RobboBTC
  • Score: 0

5:53pm Mon 2 Jun 14

gloryhornet4 says...

LD LB and similar long term servants like Nigel Gibbs & Duncan Welbourne even if not selected should be nominated.
LD LB and similar long term servants like Nigel Gibbs & Duncan Welbourne even if not selected should be nominated. gloryhornet4
  • Score: 0

5:58pm Mon 2 Jun 14

Harold Hornet says...

Surely Ross Jenkins (senior) should be on there. G.T. Ross Jenkins, Luther, John Barnes and Cally etc. changed WFC to what it is today.
Surely Ross Jenkins (senior) should be on there. G.T. Ross Jenkins, Luther, John Barnes and Cally etc. changed WFC to what it is today. Harold Hornet
  • Score: 13

6:13pm Mon 2 Jun 14

Hornankey says...

Holton, Barnes, Blissett, McLelland, Coton, Mooney, Page, Doyley
Holton, Barnes, Blissett, McLelland, Coton, Mooney, Page, Doyley Hornankey
  • Score: 4

6:20pm Mon 2 Jun 14

Watfordhog says...

Luther,Ross,Kenny Jackett,Stewart Scullion,Duncan Welbourne,Steve Sherwood,Keith Eddy,Nigel Gibbs
Luther,Ross,Kenny Jackett,Stewart Scullion,Duncan Welbourne,Steve Sherwood,Keith Eddy,Nigel Gibbs Watfordhog
  • Score: 12

6:59pm Mon 2 Jun 14

Banjo says...

oh please let it be 8 players you have to be drawing your pension to be old enough to have seen.
oh please let it be 8 players you have to be drawing your pension to be old enough to have seen. Banjo
  • Score: 3

7:02pm Mon 2 Jun 14

cliff46 says...

Luther, Holton, Doyley, Barnes, Keith Eddy, Ross Jenkins snr, Nigel Gibbs, Coton
Luther, Holton, Doyley, Barnes, Keith Eddy, Ross Jenkins snr, Nigel Gibbs, Coton cliff46
  • Score: 4

7:03pm Mon 2 Jun 14

soulfulhornet says...

Luther Blissett, Ross Jenkins, Cliff Holton, Tommy Barnett, John Barnes, John McClelland, Duncan Welbourne, Heidar Helguson.
(Holton and Barnett by rep never saw them play)

alternatively....

Gary Chivers, Simon Sheppard, Trevor Benjamin, Jamie Moralee, Trevor Senior, Steve Butler, Devon White, Wayne Allison.
Luther Blissett, Ross Jenkins, Cliff Holton, Tommy Barnett, John Barnes, John McClelland, Duncan Welbourne, Heidar Helguson. (Holton and Barnett by rep never saw them play) alternatively.... Gary Chivers, Simon Sheppard, Trevor Benjamin, Jamie Moralee, Trevor Senior, Steve Butler, Devon White, Wayne Allison. soulfulhornet
  • Score: 10

7:06pm Mon 2 Jun 14

d.j.smith says...

Frank Mitchell, Cliff Holton, Luther Blisset, John Barnes, Ross Jenkins, Mo Johnstone, John Mclelland, Troy Denney
Frank Mitchell, Cliff Holton, Luther Blisset, John Barnes, Ross Jenkins, Mo Johnstone, John Mclelland, Troy Denney d.j.smith
  • Score: 6

7:22pm Mon 2 Jun 14

soulfulhornet says...

d.j.smith wrote:
Frank Mitchell, Cliff Holton, Luther Blisset, John Barnes, Ross Jenkins, Mo Johnstone, John Mclelland, Troy Denney
Mo Johnston interesting - Possibly the best finisher I have seen, but was he here long enough and the manner of his departure!!! Had he stayed with us for a season or two I believe we would have won a trophy - League/ FA Cup.

Troy ? I like Troy, I think he is a strong Championship player but no more. Had he led us to the Prem yes. A legend..not yet, but hopefully he will stay and become one though interest from Everton suggests otherwise.

I would pick Marlon above Troy if he was not such a s..t.

Frank Mitchell don't know enough to comment.

The other four totally agree.. No one from the 60s ? I chose Welbourne but could have been Scullion... May be we should have 2 banners.
[quote][p][bold]d.j.smith[/bold] wrote: Frank Mitchell, Cliff Holton, Luther Blisset, John Barnes, Ross Jenkins, Mo Johnstone, John Mclelland, Troy Denney[/p][/quote]Mo Johnston interesting - Possibly the best finisher I have seen, but was he here long enough and the manner of his departure!!! Had he stayed with us for a season or two I believe we would have won a trophy - League/ FA Cup. Troy ? I like Troy, I think he is a strong Championship player but no more. Had he led us to the Prem yes. A legend..not yet, but hopefully he will stay and become one though interest from Everton suggests otherwise. I would pick Marlon above Troy if he was not such a s..t. Frank Mitchell don't know enough to comment. The other four totally agree.. No one from the 60s ? I chose Welbourne but could have been Scullion... May be we should have 2 banners. soulfulhornet
  • Score: 1

7:28pm Mon 2 Jun 14

BazEndean says...

GT, LUTHER, ROSS JENKNS Snr, NIGEL CALLAGHAN, DIGGER, MOONEY, HELGUSSON
GT, LUTHER, ROSS JENKNS Snr, NIGEL CALLAGHAN, DIGGER, MOONEY, HELGUSSON BazEndean
  • Score: 10

7:45pm Mon 2 Jun 14

Hopemole says...

First five easy: Holton, Barnes,Blisset, Mclelland, Coton.
I'd add Jenkins and Callaghan.
Last place probably to Tommy Mooney as representative of an important period and who epitomises all the qualities Hornets fans love.
Troy Deeney certainly has an opportunity to become a legend if he stays
First five easy: Holton, Barnes,Blisset, Mclelland, Coton. I'd add Jenkins and Callaghan. Last place probably to Tommy Mooney as representative of an important period and who epitomises all the qualities Hornets fans love. Troy Deeney certainly has an opportunity to become a legend if he stays Hopemole
  • Score: 13

8:00pm Mon 2 Jun 14

SJM...laugh at luton says...

Devon white
Kerry Dixon
Gary plumbly
Carlton palmer
Micky Quinn
Nathan Ellington
Trevor Senior
And Steve kabba

These are my 8...
Devon white Kerry Dixon Gary plumbly Carlton palmer Micky Quinn Nathan Ellington Trevor Senior And Steve kabba These are my 8... SJM...laugh at luton
  • Score: 10

8:11pm Mon 2 Jun 14

Big Cliff was King says...

Holton, Barnes, Blissett, Mclelland, Welbourne, Gibbs, Doyley, Jackett.
But 8 is a very low number.
Holton, Barnes, Blissett, Mclelland, Welbourne, Gibbs, Doyley, Jackett. But 8 is a very low number. Big Cliff was King
  • Score: 2

8:12pm Mon 2 Jun 14

AndyHandShandy says...

Blissett,Coton,Jacke
tt,Gibbs,Doyley,Youn
g,Mooney,Helguson.
Blissett,Coton,Jacke tt,Gibbs,Doyley,Youn g,Mooney,Helguson. AndyHandShandy
  • Score: -5

8:20pm Mon 2 Jun 14

DuffmanWFC says...

Has to be:
Barnes - most talented player to ever grace our shirt!
Blissett - Top goalscorer
Young - highest transfer fee received
Coton - best keeper never to play for England!
Callaghan - immense in our glory period
Gibbs - long service at gave everything!
McClelland - prob our best ever centre back
Deeney - if he stays or Abdi as a recent face otherwise maybe Helguson or Mooney as both are fans favourites and gave a lot to our club!
There are so many great WFC players I'm sure it'll look top draw whatever gets picked!
Has to be: Barnes - most talented player to ever grace our shirt! Blissett - Top goalscorer Young - highest transfer fee received Coton - best keeper never to play for England! Callaghan - immense in our glory period Gibbs - long service at gave everything! McClelland - prob our best ever centre back Deeney - if he stays or Abdi as a recent face otherwise maybe Helguson or Mooney as both are fans favourites and gave a lot to our club! There are so many great WFC players I'm sure it'll look top draw whatever gets picked! DuffmanWFC
  • Score: 6

8:32pm Mon 2 Jun 14

Carlwfc says...

Mooney
Gibbs
Jacket
Blisset
GT
Deeney
Palmer
Helguson
Mooney Gibbs Jacket Blisset GT Deeney Palmer Helguson Carlwfc
  • Score: 0

8:33pm Mon 2 Jun 14

Under The Scoreboard says...

soulfulhornet wrote:
Luther Blissett, Ross Jenkins, Cliff Holton, Tommy Barnett, John Barnes, John McClelland, Duncan Welbourne, Heidar Helguson.
(Holton and Barnett by rep never saw them play)

alternatively....

Gary Chivers, Simon Sheppard, Trevor Benjamin, Jamie Moralee, Trevor Senior, Steve Butler, Devon White, Wayne Allison.
At least one person has had a sense of humour by-pass
[quote][p][bold]soulfulhornet[/bold] wrote: Luther Blissett, Ross Jenkins, Cliff Holton, Tommy Barnett, John Barnes, John McClelland, Duncan Welbourne, Heidar Helguson. (Holton and Barnett by rep never saw them play) alternatively.... Gary Chivers, Simon Sheppard, Trevor Benjamin, Jamie Moralee, Trevor Senior, Steve Butler, Devon White, Wayne Allison.[/p][/quote]At least one person has had a sense of humour by-pass Under The Scoreboard
  • Score: 0

8:37pm Mon 2 Jun 14

Under The Scoreboard says...

Under The Scoreboard wrote:
soulfulhornet wrote:
Luther Blissett, Ross Jenkins, Cliff Holton, Tommy Barnett, John Barnes, John McClelland, Duncan Welbourne, Heidar Helguson.
(Holton and Barnett by rep never saw them play)

alternatively....

Gary Chivers, Simon Sheppard, Trevor Benjamin, Jamie Moralee, Trevor Senior, Steve Butler, Devon White, Wayne Allison.
At least one person has had a sense of humour by-pass
In relation to you getting scored -1 as its noticeable that on here people tend to click first and think later.
[quote][p][bold]Under The Scoreboard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]soulfulhornet[/bold] wrote: Luther Blissett, Ross Jenkins, Cliff Holton, Tommy Barnett, John Barnes, John McClelland, Duncan Welbourne, Heidar Helguson. (Holton and Barnett by rep never saw them play) alternatively.... Gary Chivers, Simon Sheppard, Trevor Benjamin, Jamie Moralee, Trevor Senior, Steve Butler, Devon White, Wayne Allison.[/p][/quote]At least one person has had a sense of humour by-pass[/p][/quote]In relation to you getting scored -1 as its noticeable that on here people tend to click first and think later. Under The Scoreboard
  • Score: 3

8:42pm Mon 2 Jun 14

AlanMayeshasscored says...

Holton, Livesey, Barnes, Blissett, Cally, Palmer, Coton, Jenkins snr, Mooney You could also put in Robbo, Endean, Bell, Gibbo, Big Mc, Chamberlain, Uphill, Catlough, Williams, Taylor, GT, Scullion, The list is endless really, it's been a privilege to have seen them all and the scores of others not mentioned..
Holton, Livesey, Barnes, Blissett, Cally, Palmer, Coton, Jenkins snr, Mooney You could also put in Robbo, Endean, Bell, Gibbo, Big Mc, Chamberlain, Uphill, Catlough, Williams, Taylor, GT, Scullion, The list is endless really, it's been a privilege to have seen them all and the scores of others not mentioned.. AlanMayeshasscored
  • Score: 11

8:54pm Mon 2 Jun 14

only5foot3 says...

What about the **** in a red helmet. To remind us things could always be worse?
What about the **** in a red helmet. To remind us things could always be worse? only5foot3
  • Score: 6

8:58pm Mon 2 Jun 14

lovestospouge says...

Elton and Taylor on the front with the old stadium/stands in the background with Luther, Tommy "Ronaldo" Mooney, Page, Smith, Demerit, Barnes, Gibbs, Doyley and Chamberlain behind wearing that classic green top he used to ware in the 90's
Elton and Taylor on the front with the old stadium/stands in the background with Luther, Tommy "Ronaldo" Mooney, Page, Smith, Demerit, Barnes, Gibbs, Doyley and Chamberlain behind wearing that classic green top he used to ware in the 90's lovestospouge
  • Score: -1

9:02pm Mon 2 Jun 14

anotherfurphyfan says...

Keith Eddy
Keith Eddy anotherfurphyfan
  • Score: 3

9:04pm Mon 2 Jun 14

tommy gunn says...

For what it's worth my eight would be: Cliff Holton, Luther Blisset , Ross Jenkins, Kenny Jacket , John Barnes , Tommy Barnett , Nigel Gibbs , Taffy Davies . Difficult not to include Tony Coton , Wilf Rostron and Tom Walley.
For what it's worth my eight would be: Cliff Holton, Luther Blisset , Ross Jenkins, Kenny Jacket , John Barnes , Tommy Barnett , Nigel Gibbs , Taffy Davies . Difficult not to include Tony Coton , Wilf Rostron and Tom Walley. tommy gunn
  • Score: 9

9:09pm Mon 2 Jun 14

lovestospouge says...

Problem we have is if you go back before the midd 90's barely anyone will know who they are apart from the real legends so it would ruin the banner
Problem we have is if you go back before the midd 90's barely anyone will know who they are apart from the real legends so it would ruin the banner lovestospouge
  • Score: 3

9:10pm Mon 2 Jun 14

soulfulhornet says...

Under The Scoreboard wrote:
Under The Scoreboard wrote:
soulfulhornet wrote:
Luther Blissett, Ross Jenkins, Cliff Holton, Tommy Barnett, John Barnes, John McClelland, Duncan Welbourne, Heidar Helguson.
(Holton and Barnett by rep never saw them play)

alternatively....

Gary Chivers, Simon Sheppard, Trevor Benjamin, Jamie Moralee, Trevor Senior, Steve Butler, Devon White, Wayne Allison.
At least one person has had a sense of humour by-pass
In relation to you getting scored -1 as its noticeable that on here people tend to click first and think later.
Thew thought you meant me!! Still I forgot Ellington so I deserved it. Delete Devon White and replace with Nathan. At least Devon tried.
[quote][p][bold]Under The Scoreboard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Under The Scoreboard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]soulfulhornet[/bold] wrote: Luther Blissett, Ross Jenkins, Cliff Holton, Tommy Barnett, John Barnes, John McClelland, Duncan Welbourne, Heidar Helguson. (Holton and Barnett by rep never saw them play) alternatively.... Gary Chivers, Simon Sheppard, Trevor Benjamin, Jamie Moralee, Trevor Senior, Steve Butler, Devon White, Wayne Allison.[/p][/quote]At least one person has had a sense of humour by-pass[/p][/quote]In relation to you getting scored -1 as its noticeable that on here people tend to click first and think later.[/p][/quote]Thew thought you meant me!! Still I forgot Ellington so I deserved it. Delete Devon White and replace with Nathan. At least Devon tried. soulfulhornet
  • Score: 6

9:14pm Mon 2 Jun 14

buckshornet says...

page,jackett, have to be on 35.too many fans for the here and now ie deeney.there has been many better strikers than him so no chance.
page,jackett, have to be on 35.too many fans for the here and now ie deeney.there has been many better strikers than him so no chance. buckshornet
  • Score: 0

9:15pm Mon 2 Jun 14

buckshornet says...

surely the shortlist should be 11 players?
surely the shortlist should be 11 players? buckshornet
  • Score: 4

9:17pm Mon 2 Jun 14

gloryhornet4 says...

SJM...laugh at luton wrote:
Devon white
Kerry Dixon
Gary plumbly
Carlton palmer
Micky Quinn
Nathan Ellington
Trevor Senior
And Steve kabba

These are my 8...
Jimmy Walsh - how soon we forget. Named as sub twice in GT's first season.

Ellington - good choice - f/expensive in fee and salary and the laziest s** in our history - but this prolific forward did score 5 in only 51 games. Just not quite the full shilling in any week with a Saturday in it.
[quote][p][bold]SJM...laugh at luton[/bold] wrote: Devon white Kerry Dixon Gary plumbly Carlton palmer Micky Quinn Nathan Ellington Trevor Senior And Steve kabba These are my 8...[/p][/quote]Jimmy Walsh - how soon we forget. Named as sub twice in GT's first season. Ellington - good choice - f/expensive in fee and salary and the laziest s** in our history - but this prolific forward did score 5 in only 51 games. Just not quite the full shilling in any week with a Saturday in it. gloryhornet4
  • Score: 6

9:32pm Mon 2 Jun 14

UAFhornet says...

Tommy Smith shouldn't even be considered, why is he on that banner?

If Pozzo and GT are on it where is Elton?

Where is Coton or even the likes of Ramage who was a legend and carried the team when we were poor..

NO SMITH, im amazed that he would even be considered.
Tommy Smith shouldn't even be considered, why is he on that banner? If Pozzo and GT are on it where is Elton? Where is Coton or even the likes of Ramage who was a legend and carried the team when we were poor.. NO SMITH, im amazed that he would even be considered. UAFhornet
  • Score: 3

9:38pm Mon 2 Jun 14

Play-Off Pete says...

Cliff Holton (for those who can remember this Giant).

The rest are up to you ...
Cliff Holton (for those who can remember this Giant). The rest are up to you ... Play-Off Pete
  • Score: 6

9:40pm Mon 2 Jun 14

Play-Off Pete says...

... in fact if it's a "Short" list maybe Tommy Harmer should be there???
... in fact if it's a "Short" list maybe Tommy Harmer should be there??? Play-Off Pete
  • Score: 6

9:52pm Mon 2 Jun 14

UAFhornet says...

GT
Elton
Mooney
Luther
Holton
Barnes

And then a modern legend...
Doyley.


Smith and Abdi?????????
I think the banner with them two on it is an embarrassment
GT Elton Mooney Luther Holton Barnes And then a modern legend... Doyley. Smith and Abdi????????? I think the banner with them two on it is an embarrassment UAFhornet
  • Score: 5

9:54pm Mon 2 Jun 14

UAFhornet says...

gloryhornet4 wrote:
SJM...laugh at luton wrote:
Devon white
Kerry Dixon
Gary plumbly
Carlton palmer
Micky Quinn
Nathan Ellington
Trevor Senior
And Steve kabba

These are my 8...
Jimmy Walsh - how soon we forget. Named as sub twice in GT's first season.

Ellington - good choice - f/expensive in fee and salary and the laziest s** in our history - but this prolific forward did score 5 in only 51 games. Just not quite the full shilling in any week with a Saturday in it.
Bit harsh on Carlton Palmer, I thought he was alright.
[quote][p][bold]gloryhornet4[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SJM...laugh at luton[/bold] wrote: Devon white Kerry Dixon Gary plumbly Carlton palmer Micky Quinn Nathan Ellington Trevor Senior And Steve kabba These are my 8...[/p][/quote]Jimmy Walsh - how soon we forget. Named as sub twice in GT's first season. Ellington - good choice - f/expensive in fee and salary and the laziest s** in our history - but this prolific forward did score 5 in only 51 games. Just not quite the full shilling in any week with a Saturday in it.[/p][/quote]Bit harsh on Carlton Palmer, I thought he was alright. UAFhornet
  • Score: 3

9:59pm Mon 2 Jun 14

matey_from_brighton says...

BazEndean wrote:
GT, LUTHER, ROSS JENKNS Snr, NIGEL CALLAGHAN, DIGGER, MOONEY, HELGUSSON
Useful clarification there Baz on Ross Jenkins. :)
[quote][p][bold]BazEndean[/bold] wrote: GT, LUTHER, ROSS JENKNS Snr, NIGEL CALLAGHAN, DIGGER, MOONEY, HELGUSSON[/p][/quote]Useful clarification there Baz on Ross Jenkins. :) matey_from_brighton
  • Score: 0

10:27pm Mon 2 Jun 14

yellowyell says...

80's & prior - Barnes, Blissett, Bolton, Callaghan, Coton, Gibbs, Holton, Jenkins, McLelland, Rostron, Les Taylor, Welbourne

90's - Chamberlain, Miller, Mooney, Palmer, Page

00's - Doyley, Graham, Helguson, Smith
80's & prior - Barnes, Blissett, Bolton, Callaghan, Coton, Gibbs, Holton, Jenkins, McLelland, Rostron, Les Taylor, Welbourne 90's - Chamberlain, Miller, Mooney, Palmer, Page 00's - Doyley, Graham, Helguson, Smith yellowyell
  • Score: 1

10:39pm Mon 2 Jun 14

gloryhornet4 says...

yellowyell wrote:
80's & prior - Barnes, Blissett, Bolton, Callaghan, Coton, Gibbs, Holton, Jenkins, McLelland, Rostron, Les Taylor, Welbourne

90's - Chamberlain, Miller, Mooney, Palmer, Page

00's - Doyley, Graham, Helguson, Smith
I would not have Smith after he walked on a Bosman.

Might as well choose David Connolly by that token.
[quote][p][bold]yellowyell[/bold] wrote: 80's & prior - Barnes, Blissett, Bolton, Callaghan, Coton, Gibbs, Holton, Jenkins, McLelland, Rostron, Les Taylor, Welbourne 90's - Chamberlain, Miller, Mooney, Palmer, Page 00's - Doyley, Graham, Helguson, Smith[/p][/quote]I would not have Smith after he walked on a Bosman. Might as well choose David Connolly by that token. gloryhornet4
  • Score: 4

11:09pm Mon 2 Jun 14

Andrew1963 says...

What no Alan Smart, Alan Garner, Alun Neilson, Keith Mercer, Roger Joslyn, Gifton Noël Williams, Steve Palmer or the player who was brilliant in the 4th, 3rd, 2nd and top division Ian Bolton?
What no Alan Smart, Alan Garner, Alun Neilson, Keith Mercer, Roger Joslyn, Gifton Noël Williams, Steve Palmer or the player who was brilliant in the 4th, 3rd, 2nd and top division Ian Bolton? Andrew1963
  • Score: 5

11:20pm Mon 2 Jun 14

errollg says...

Blissett, Barnes and Holton are certainties. McClelland, Coton, Gary Porter, Nigel Gibbs, Mooney. Maybe Doyley for Porter as we need a current player.
Blissett, Barnes and Holton are certainties. McClelland, Coton, Gary Porter, Nigel Gibbs, Mooney. Maybe Doyley for Porter as we need a current player. errollg
  • Score: 2

11:33pm Mon 2 Jun 14

matey_from_brighton says...

errollg wrote:
Blissett, Barnes and Holton are certainties. McClelland, Coton, Gary Porter, Nigel Gibbs, Mooney. Maybe Doyley for Porter as we need a current player.
Can't disagree with that too much, would like to put Jenkins in for Gary Porter just about. Players aside though it has to be GT and EJ as well as they really propelled us from long term lower division to where we are now.
[quote][p][bold]errollg[/bold] wrote: Blissett, Barnes and Holton are certainties. McClelland, Coton, Gary Porter, Nigel Gibbs, Mooney. Maybe Doyley for Porter as we need a current player.[/p][/quote]Can't disagree with that too much, would like to put Jenkins in for Gary Porter just about. Players aside though it has to be GT and EJ as well as they really propelled us from long term lower division to where we are now. matey_from_brighton
  • Score: 4

11:42pm Mon 2 Jun 14

mkhornet says...

Got to have Gino Pozzo, GT and EJ on it with Luther. John Mclelland, John Barnes, Tommy Mooney, Tony Coton, Lloyd Doyley, Kenny Jackett and Ross Jenkins. Troy is close to being another Legend but would probably need at least one more season to cement his place. Heidar Helguson and Nigel Callaghan would be top of my back up list.
Got to have Gino Pozzo, GT and EJ on it with Luther. John Mclelland, John Barnes, Tommy Mooney, Tony Coton, Lloyd Doyley, Kenny Jackett and Ross Jenkins. Troy is close to being another Legend but would probably need at least one more season to cement his place. Heidar Helguson and Nigel Callaghan would be top of my back up list. mkhornet
  • Score: 0

11:44pm Mon 2 Jun 14

mkhornet says...

Would be a nice gesture to maybe remember Jimmy Davis on it in some way.
Would be a nice gesture to maybe remember Jimmy Davis on it in some way. mkhornet
  • Score: -3

12:12am Tue 3 Jun 14

harrowboy says...

Almost impossible to determine so why not just go for the top eight in the appearance list!
Almost impossible to determine so why not just go for the top eight in the appearance list! harrowboy
  • Score: -4

12:48am Tue 3 Jun 14

keith5190 says...

Cliff Holton, for his wayward shot that I 'saved" as ballboy at the Vic End, it picked me up and dumped me on the dog track. Tommy Harmer for being 'swallowed' by the hole that appeared and the cinder bank end now the rookery. Taffy Davies, ex landlord of the Red Lion who came out of retirement to play against Man U 4th round of the cup 1950, Harry Oliver, Ross Jenkins, Loofer, Anya, Deeeeeeeeny
Cliff Holton, for his wayward shot that I 'saved" as ballboy at the Vic End, it picked me up and dumped me on the dog track. Tommy Harmer for being 'swallowed' by the hole that appeared and the cinder bank end now the rookery. Taffy Davies, ex landlord of the Red Lion who came out of retirement to play against Man U 4th round of the cup 1950, Harry Oliver, Ross Jenkins, Loofer, Anya, Deeeeeeeeny keith5190
  • Score: 3

12:49am Tue 3 Jun 14

errollg says...

SJM...laugh at luton wrote:
Devon white
Kerry Dixon
Gary plumbly
Carlton palmer
Micky Quinn
Nathan Ellington
Trevor Senior
And Steve kabba

These are my 8...
Or ... Patrick Blondeau, Ramon Vega, Pierre Issa, not to forget David Connolly.
[quote][p][bold]SJM...laugh at luton[/bold] wrote: Devon white Kerry Dixon Gary plumbly Carlton palmer Micky Quinn Nathan Ellington Trevor Senior And Steve kabba These are my 8...[/p][/quote]Or ... Patrick Blondeau, Ramon Vega, Pierre Issa, not to forget David Connolly. errollg
  • Score: 2

12:58am Tue 3 Jun 14

Buenos Aires Hornet says...

I vote for Michel Ngonge! As long as he is on the list I will be happy!
I vote for Michel Ngonge! As long as he is on the list I will be happy! Buenos Aires Hornet
  • Score: 0

5:25am Tue 3 Jun 14

LifeLongHornet says...

I am only 19 now, so but I would include some of the older generation Watford too since I respect what they've done for the club in their time.

Graham Taylor
Luther Blissett
John Barnes
Nigel Callaghan
Kenny Jackett
Heidar Helguson
Ashley Young
Lloyd Doyley
I am only 19 now, so but I would include some of the older generation Watford too since I respect what they've done for the club in their time. Graham Taylor Luther Blissett John Barnes Nigel Callaghan Kenny Jackett Heidar Helguson Ashley Young Lloyd Doyley LifeLongHornet
  • Score: 3

6:00am Tue 3 Jun 14

Sealegs says...

Next up - who would you like on the commemorative toilet roll?
Next up - who would you like on the commemorative toilet roll? Sealegs
  • Score: -1

6:46am Tue 3 Jun 14

akureyri says...

Elton John as he started the ball moving. Before him we never went anywhere.
Elton John as he started the ball moving. Before him we never went anywhere. akureyri
  • Score: 6

7:23am Tue 3 Jun 14

mellow yellow says...

I struggle to see how 8 plus 1 (GT) makes sense. Would be easier to do 11 plus 3 (GT, EJ and possibly Pozzo if we are being generous).
My 11 would have to include McClelland, Coton, Gibbs, Blissett, Barnes, Mooney and HH. IF Deeney was to stay, and lead us up, I think he would deserve to be there too. Doyley perhaps also an inclusion just for being, well, Doyley and kind of a dying breed... The one club man. I have no problem with Tommy Smith being there... Wasn't he player of the season twice?! My heart also says Jackett.

However, the biggest prob with opening this debate is the average age of the voters... I'm not exactly young, but feel I can only choose those I've seen PLAY. perhaps there should be two banners... One for the modern era, say from 77 onwards, and one from before. Might even arouse some interest from the younger fans as to who these old players (Welbourne, Scullion etc) actually are, and what they did. Maybe that banner could also feature Furphy and McGarry?
I struggle to see how 8 plus 1 (GT) makes sense. Would be easier to do 11 plus 3 (GT, EJ and possibly Pozzo if we are being generous). My 11 would have to include McClelland, Coton, Gibbs, Blissett, Barnes, Mooney and HH. IF Deeney was to stay, and lead us up, I think he would deserve to be there too. Doyley perhaps also an inclusion just for being, well, Doyley and kind of a dying breed... The one club man. I have no problem with Tommy Smith being there... Wasn't he player of the season twice?! My heart also says Jackett. However, the biggest prob with opening this debate is the average age of the voters... I'm not exactly young, but feel I can only choose those I've seen PLAY. perhaps there should be two banners... One for the modern era, say from 77 onwards, and one from before. Might even arouse some interest from the younger fans as to who these old players (Welbourne, Scullion etc) actually are, and what they did. Maybe that banner could also feature Furphy and McGarry? mellow yellow
  • Score: 7

7:47am Tue 3 Jun 14

tiger bay says...

Oh dear, some of you have raised your already sky high bar of stupidity to record levels. .DOYLEY!!! Haha!! Really???
Oh dear, some of you have raised your already sky high bar of stupidity to record levels. .DOYLEY!!! Haha!! Really??? tiger bay
  • Score: -6

9:13am Tue 3 Jun 14

corbindallas says...

Question: What makes a club legend? Seems a lot go for the natural choice of player skill, which is good but we also have to remember loyalty, passion, finance and outright support in this mix to reflect true legend status that allows chairmen and managers to be included. For me the inclusion of John Barnes is a no no, great player but not loyal enough to his history, when have you heard him refer to Watford as his foundation stone! People like Mooney, Blissett easy shoe in, others like Doyley for loyalty and passion and obviously people like Graham Taylor and Elton who shaped the club into a bigger club, how about Les Simmons grounds manager and loyal club servant for over 50 years, a legend in my eyes! Also the likes of Coton, Gibbs, Jackett and Helguson would make my shortlist.
Question: What makes a club legend? Seems a lot go for the natural choice of player skill, which is good but we also have to remember loyalty, passion, finance and outright support in this mix to reflect true legend status that allows chairmen and managers to be included. For me the inclusion of John Barnes is a no no, great player but not loyal enough to his history, when have you heard him refer to Watford as his foundation stone! People like Mooney, Blissett easy shoe in, others like Doyley for loyalty and passion and obviously people like Graham Taylor and Elton who shaped the club into a bigger club, how about Les Simmons grounds manager and loyal club servant for over 50 years, a legend in my eyes! Also the likes of Coton, Gibbs, Jackett and Helguson would make my shortlist. corbindallas
  • Score: 8

9:27am Tue 3 Jun 14

Boosey says...

Sealegs wrote:
Next up - who would you like on the commemorative toilet roll?
Whole Luton team
[quote][p][bold]Sealegs[/bold] wrote: Next up - who would you like on the commemorative toilet roll?[/p][/quote]Whole Luton team Boosey
  • Score: 6

9:30am Tue 3 Jun 14

Boosey says...

corbindallas wrote:
Question: What makes a club legend? Seems a lot go for the natural choice of player skill, which is good but we also have to remember loyalty, passion, finance and outright support in this mix to reflect true legend status that allows chairmen and managers to be included. For me the inclusion of John Barnes is a no no, great player but not loyal enough to his history, when have you heard him refer to Watford as his foundation stone! People like Mooney, Blissett easy shoe in, others like Doyley for loyalty and passion and obviously people like Graham Taylor and Elton who shaped the club into a bigger club, how about Les Simmons grounds manager and loyal club servant for over 50 years, a legend in my eyes! Also the likes of Coton, Gibbs, Jackett and Helguson would make my shortlist.
Great shout on Les Simmons, done more on the pitch than some players.
Alan Nielson should be nominated as well, the best send off for a player ever!
[quote][p][bold]corbindallas[/bold] wrote: Question: What makes a club legend? Seems a lot go for the natural choice of player skill, which is good but we also have to remember loyalty, passion, finance and outright support in this mix to reflect true legend status that allows chairmen and managers to be included. For me the inclusion of John Barnes is a no no, great player but not loyal enough to his history, when have you heard him refer to Watford as his foundation stone! People like Mooney, Blissett easy shoe in, others like Doyley for loyalty and passion and obviously people like Graham Taylor and Elton who shaped the club into a bigger club, how about Les Simmons grounds manager and loyal club servant for over 50 years, a legend in my eyes! Also the likes of Coton, Gibbs, Jackett and Helguson would make my shortlist.[/p][/quote]Great shout on Les Simmons, done more on the pitch than some players. Alan Nielson should be nominated as well, the best send off for a player ever! Boosey
  • Score: 6

9:45am Tue 3 Jun 14

Harry's Bar says...

corbindallas wrote:
Question: What makes a club legend? Seems a lot go for the natural choice of player skill, which is good but we also have to remember loyalty, passion, finance and outright support in this mix to reflect true legend status that allows chairmen and managers to be included. For me the inclusion of John Barnes is a no no, great player but not loyal enough to his history, when have you heard him refer to Watford as his foundation stone! People like Mooney, Blissett easy shoe in, others like Doyley for loyalty and passion and obviously people like Graham Taylor and Elton who shaped the club into a bigger club, how about Les Simmons grounds manager and loyal club servant for over 50 years, a legend in my eyes! Also the likes of Coton, Gibbs, Jackett and Helguson would make my shortlist.
Les Simmons? You'll be calling to have Oliver Phillips on it next.
[quote][p][bold]corbindallas[/bold] wrote: Question: What makes a club legend? Seems a lot go for the natural choice of player skill, which is good but we also have to remember loyalty, passion, finance and outright support in this mix to reflect true legend status that allows chairmen and managers to be included. For me the inclusion of John Barnes is a no no, great player but not loyal enough to his history, when have you heard him refer to Watford as his foundation stone! People like Mooney, Blissett easy shoe in, others like Doyley for loyalty and passion and obviously people like Graham Taylor and Elton who shaped the club into a bigger club, how about Les Simmons grounds manager and loyal club servant for over 50 years, a legend in my eyes! Also the likes of Coton, Gibbs, Jackett and Helguson would make my shortlist.[/p][/quote]Les Simmons? You'll be calling to have Oliver Phillips on it next. Harry's Bar
  • Score: -7

10:02am Tue 3 Jun 14

croxley46 says...

On another matter, anyone notice the resemblance between King Juan Carlos and Sepp Blatter?
I DO wish Blatter would abdicate too.
On another matter, anyone notice the resemblance between King Juan Carlos and Sepp Blatter? I DO wish Blatter would abdicate too. croxley46
  • Score: 2

11:12am Tue 3 Jun 14

SamTheEagle says...

Reading through the various suggestions I think the banner needs to be larger.
Reading through the various suggestions I think the banner needs to be larger. SamTheEagle
  • Score: 2

12:21pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Feff says...

Who remembers those inside rights, Jimmy Bowie and John Bond? Legends!
Who remembers those inside rights, Jimmy Bowie and John Bond? Legends! Feff
  • Score: 1

12:22pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Feff says...

And that prolific stiker, Billy Jennings. And my favourites, Roger Joslyn and Ian Bolton. Great nostalgia.
And that prolific stiker, Billy Jennings. And my favourites, Roger Joslyn and Ian Bolton. Great nostalgia. Feff
  • Score: 2

12:24pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Feff says...

Wait! I've just remembered Alan Garner. Never knew why GT sold him.
Wait! I've just remembered Alan Garner. Never knew why GT sold him. Feff
  • Score: 3

12:40pm Tue 3 Jun 14

gloryhornet4 says...

corbindallas wrote:
Question: What makes a club legend? Seems a lot go for the natural choice of player skill, which is good but we also have to remember loyalty, passion, finance and outright support in this mix to reflect true legend status that allows chairmen and managers to be included. For me the inclusion of John Barnes is a no no, great player but not loyal enough to his history, when have you heard him refer to Watford as his foundation stone! People like Mooney, Blissett easy shoe in, others like Doyley for loyalty and passion and obviously people like Graham Taylor and Elton who shaped the club into a bigger club, how about Les Simmons grounds manager and loyal club servant for over 50 years, a legend in my eyes! Also the likes of Coton, Gibbs, Jackett and Helguson would make my shortlist.
I don't know why Barnes is reluctant to talk about what Watford did for him.

If it were not for Watford he would be a chubby man playing Saturday cricket in Jamaica.

I feel f/annoyed when articles say things like Kenny Dalgleish plucked him from obscurity and made him a top player. JCB played for England at Watford - was better than any of his Liverpool teammates when he arrived and the only thing KD did for him was got him to take the blame for KD being a crap "general" manager at Celtic.
[quote][p][bold]corbindallas[/bold] wrote: Question: What makes a club legend? Seems a lot go for the natural choice of player skill, which is good but we also have to remember loyalty, passion, finance and outright support in this mix to reflect true legend status that allows chairmen and managers to be included. For me the inclusion of John Barnes is a no no, great player but not loyal enough to his history, when have you heard him refer to Watford as his foundation stone! People like Mooney, Blissett easy shoe in, others like Doyley for loyalty and passion and obviously people like Graham Taylor and Elton who shaped the club into a bigger club, how about Les Simmons grounds manager and loyal club servant for over 50 years, a legend in my eyes! Also the likes of Coton, Gibbs, Jackett and Helguson would make my shortlist.[/p][/quote]I don't know why Barnes is reluctant to talk about what Watford did for him. If it were not for Watford he would be a chubby man playing Saturday cricket in Jamaica. I feel f/annoyed when articles say things like Kenny Dalgleish plucked him from obscurity and made him a top player. JCB played for England at Watford - was better than any of his Liverpool teammates when he arrived and the only thing KD did for him was got him to take the blame for KD being a crap "general" manager at Celtic. gloryhornet4
  • Score: 3

1:40pm Tue 3 Jun 14

angryangryangry says...

Barnes, Jenkins, Callaghan, Mooney, Blissett, Helguson, Robbo, Jackett
Barnes, Jenkins, Callaghan, Mooney, Blissett, Helguson, Robbo, Jackett angryangryangry
  • Score: 1

2:03pm Tue 3 Jun 14

bushey tales says...

Feff wrote:
Who remembers those inside rights, Jimmy Bowie and John Bond? Legends!
Er........Dennis Bond perhaps?
[quote][p][bold]Feff[/bold] wrote: Who remembers those inside rights, Jimmy Bowie and John Bond? Legends![/p][/quote]Er........Dennis Bond perhaps? bushey tales
  • Score: 2

2:22pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Andrew1963 says...

Boosey wrote:
corbindallas wrote:
Question: What makes a club legend? Seems a lot go for the natural choice of player skill, which is good but we also have to remember loyalty, passion, finance and outright support in this mix to reflect true legend status that allows chairmen and managers to be included. For me the inclusion of John Barnes is a no no, great player but not loyal enough to his history, when have you heard him refer to Watford as his foundation stone! People like Mooney, Blissett easy shoe in, others like Doyley for loyalty and passion and obviously people like Graham Taylor and Elton who shaped the club into a bigger club, how about Les Simmons grounds manager and loyal club servant for over 50 years, a legend in my eyes! Also the likes of Coton, Gibbs, Jackett and Helguson would make my shortlist.
Great shout on Les Simmons, done more on the pitch than some players.
Alan Nielson should be nominated as well, the best send off for a player ever!
Alun Nielson send off, even Colin thought it was magnificent!
[quote][p][bold]Boosey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]corbindallas[/bold] wrote: Question: What makes a club legend? Seems a lot go for the natural choice of player skill, which is good but we also have to remember loyalty, passion, finance and outright support in this mix to reflect true legend status that allows chairmen and managers to be included. For me the inclusion of John Barnes is a no no, great player but not loyal enough to his history, when have you heard him refer to Watford as his foundation stone! People like Mooney, Blissett easy shoe in, others like Doyley for loyalty and passion and obviously people like Graham Taylor and Elton who shaped the club into a bigger club, how about Les Simmons grounds manager and loyal club servant for over 50 years, a legend in my eyes! Also the likes of Coton, Gibbs, Jackett and Helguson would make my shortlist.[/p][/quote]Great shout on Les Simmons, done more on the pitch than some players. Alan Nielson should be nominated as well, the best send off for a player ever![/p][/quote]Alun Nielson send off, even Colin thought it was magnificent! Andrew1963
  • Score: 2

2:27pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Penrice says...

I like to think there will be room for Keith Dublin on it.
I like to think there will be room for Keith Dublin on it. Penrice
  • Score: 3

3:52pm Tue 3 Jun 14

ralear49 says...

I get the loyalty and tenure angles, but I would have to pick Dennis Bond or Colin Franks over Doyley. Of course, most voters never saw either play.
I get the loyalty and tenure angles, but I would have to pick Dennis Bond or Colin Franks over Doyley. Of course, most voters never saw either play. ralear49
  • Score: 0

5:46pm Tue 3 Jun 14

soulfulhornet says...

gloryhornet4 wrote:
corbindallas wrote:
Question: What makes a club legend? Seems a lot go for the natural choice of player skill, which is good but we also have to remember loyalty, passion, finance and outright support in this mix to reflect true legend status that allows chairmen and managers to be included. For me the inclusion of John Barnes is a no no, great player but not loyal enough to his history, when have you heard him refer to Watford as his foundation stone! People like Mooney, Blissett easy shoe in, others like Doyley for loyalty and passion and obviously people like Graham Taylor and Elton who shaped the club into a bigger club, how about Les Simmons grounds manager and loyal club servant for over 50 years, a legend in my eyes! Also the likes of Coton, Gibbs, Jackett and Helguson would make my shortlist.
I don't know why Barnes is reluctant to talk about what Watford did for him.

If it were not for Watford he would be a chubby man playing Saturday cricket in Jamaica.

I feel f/annoyed when articles say things like Kenny Dalgleish plucked him from obscurity and made him a top player. JCB played for England at Watford - was better than any of his Liverpool teammates when he arrived and the only thing KD did for him was got him to take the blame for KD being a crap "general" manager at Celtic.
I have heard John talk about his times at Watford on Talksport several times. John has always been complimentary about his time with us, Graham, Luther, Cally etc. I know this from a talk he gave at my partner's workplace about diversity. She spoke to him one to one after the speech, mentioning that her other half was a horns fan. John referred to his time with us with affection and huge amount of respect. He passed on his best wishes to me via her for both WFC and me.

I don't agree with your comment at all, as John was the most naturally talented and the most exciting player I have seen don the shirt. He scored brilliant goals - almost too many to mention - but Birmingham away in the cup and the goal he scored v Liverpool at the Vic, last season he was here stand out for me. That season 86/87, he won some games almost by himself. Truly a legend.
[quote][p][bold]gloryhornet4[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]corbindallas[/bold] wrote: Question: What makes a club legend? Seems a lot go for the natural choice of player skill, which is good but we also have to remember loyalty, passion, finance and outright support in this mix to reflect true legend status that allows chairmen and managers to be included. For me the inclusion of John Barnes is a no no, great player but not loyal enough to his history, when have you heard him refer to Watford as his foundation stone! People like Mooney, Blissett easy shoe in, others like Doyley for loyalty and passion and obviously people like Graham Taylor and Elton who shaped the club into a bigger club, how about Les Simmons grounds manager and loyal club servant for over 50 years, a legend in my eyes! Also the likes of Coton, Gibbs, Jackett and Helguson would make my shortlist.[/p][/quote]I don't know why Barnes is reluctant to talk about what Watford did for him. If it were not for Watford he would be a chubby man playing Saturday cricket in Jamaica. I feel f/annoyed when articles say things like Kenny Dalgleish plucked him from obscurity and made him a top player. JCB played for England at Watford - was better than any of his Liverpool teammates when he arrived and the only thing KD did for him was got him to take the blame for KD being a crap "general" manager at Celtic.[/p][/quote]I have heard John talk about his times at Watford on Talksport several times. John has always been complimentary about his time with us, Graham, Luther, Cally etc. I know this from a talk he gave at my partner's workplace about diversity. She spoke to him one to one after the speech, mentioning that her other half was a horns fan. John referred to his time with us with affection and huge amount of respect. He passed on his best wishes to me via her for both WFC and me. I don't agree with your comment at all, as John was the most naturally talented and the most exciting player I have seen don the shirt. He scored brilliant goals - almost too many to mention - but Birmingham away in the cup and the goal he scored v Liverpool at the Vic, last season he was here stand out for me. That season 86/87, he won some games almost by himself. Truly a legend. soulfulhornet
  • Score: 2

7:02pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Finchy505 says...

Cliff Holton, Luther Blissett, Ross Jenkins, Sir EJ, Lloyd Doyley, John Barnes, Nigel Gibbs, John McClelland

Tom Walley underrated....220+ appearances, 12 years coaching service, won the FA Youth Cup in 1982 and developed many of the players on the legends list
Cliff Holton, Luther Blissett, Ross Jenkins, Sir EJ, Lloyd Doyley, John Barnes, Nigel Gibbs, John McClelland Tom Walley underrated....220+ appearances, 12 years coaching service, won the FA Youth Cup in 1982 and developed many of the players on the legends list Finchy505
  • Score: 2

8:52pm Tue 3 Jun 14

alwaysahorn says...

It will be very interesting to see who is voted for to make up this banner . . . really looking forward to the new black and white away kit . . . nice touch that the promotional war remembrance video is in black and white too . .
It will be very interesting to see who is voted for to make up this banner . . . really looking forward to the new black and white away kit . . . nice touch that the promotional war remembrance video is in black and white too . . alwaysahorn
  • Score: 1

12:05pm Wed 4 Jun 14

Under The Scoreboard says...

soulfulhornet wrote:
Under The Scoreboard wrote:
Under The Scoreboard wrote:
soulfulhornet wrote:
Luther Blissett, Ross Jenkins, Cliff Holton, Tommy Barnett, John Barnes, John McClelland, Duncan Welbourne, Heidar Helguson.
(Holton and Barnett by rep never saw them play)

alternatively....

Gary Chivers, Simon Sheppard, Trevor Benjamin, Jamie Moralee, Trevor Senior, Steve Butler, Devon White, Wayne Allison.
At least one person has had a sense of humour by-pass
In relation to you getting scored -1 as its noticeable that on here people tend to click first and think later.
Thew thought you meant me!! Still I forgot Ellington so I deserved it. Delete Devon White and replace with Nathan. At least Devon tried.
No mate it thought it might be perceived like that though
[quote][p][bold]soulfulhornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Under The Scoreboard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Under The Scoreboard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]soulfulhornet[/bold] wrote: Luther Blissett, Ross Jenkins, Cliff Holton, Tommy Barnett, John Barnes, John McClelland, Duncan Welbourne, Heidar Helguson. (Holton and Barnett by rep never saw them play) alternatively.... Gary Chivers, Simon Sheppard, Trevor Benjamin, Jamie Moralee, Trevor Senior, Steve Butler, Devon White, Wayne Allison.[/p][/quote]At least one person has had a sense of humour by-pass[/p][/quote]In relation to you getting scored -1 as its noticeable that on here people tend to click first and think later.[/p][/quote]Thew thought you meant me!! Still I forgot Ellington so I deserved it. Delete Devon White and replace with Nathan. At least Devon tried.[/p][/quote]No mate it thought it might be perceived like that though Under The Scoreboard
  • Score: 0

11:17am Fri 6 Jun 14

BertyHornet says...

Cliff Holton, Luther Blisset, John Barnes,
Ross Jenkins snr, John Mclelland,
Troy Denney, Tommy Mooney, Steve Sherwood.
Cliff Holton, Luther Blisset, John Barnes, Ross Jenkins snr, John Mclelland, Troy Denney, Tommy Mooney, Steve Sherwood. BertyHornet
  • Score: 0

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