Watford striker Mathias Ranegie says he will leave Vicarage Road if the Hornets keep hold of Troy Deeney this summer

Watford Observer: Ranegie says he'll leave if Deeney remains with the Hornets. Picture: Dave Peters Ranegie says he'll leave if Deeney remains with the Hornets. Picture: Dave Peters

Watford striker Mathias Ranegie says he will leave the Hornets if Troy Deeney remains at Vicarage Road.

The Swedish international joined the Golden Boys in January from Udinese and signed a three and a half year deal with the club.

The 30-year-old went on to make ten appearances for Watford, often starting alongside Deeney, and netted four times.

Deeney ended with 24 goals last season and has been linked with a move to Premier League sides Newcastle United and Aston Villa.

And, if Watford are able to keep hold of their star striker, Ranegie claims he has been told the Hornets will find him a new club.

“It all depends on the situation,” Ranegie told Sport Expressen. “The status is if Troy Deeney is sold, I am his replacement. Otherwise the club has agreed to find me a new club.”

Ranegie has been capped five times by Sweden and he netted his sole goal for his country in a 1-1 draw against Syria in January 2010.

He was a latecomer to professional football and, after a largely unsuccessful spell at IFK Göteborg, made a name for himself at BK Häcken, where he scored 36 goals in 81 appearances.

Malmo signed him in 2011 and 13 goals in 26 games persuaded Udinese to buy the player in August 2012.

He made 24 Serie A appearances for the Little Zebras before joining the Hornets.

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11:21am Mon 16 Jun 14

D.unstable says...

Does this mean that he is not prepared to fight for a place in the starting 11? If Deeney goes I would expect alternatives to arrive, so Renegie will still have competition regadless. Not a good message at all.

Maybe it has nothing to do with the shirt and he just dosnt like the guy.
Does this mean that he is not prepared to fight for a place in the starting 11? If Deeney goes I would expect alternatives to arrive, so Renegie will still have competition regadless. Not a good message at all. Maybe it has nothing to do with the shirt and he just dosnt like the guy. D.unstable
  • Score: 14

11:22am Mon 16 Jun 14

JohnnyBarnes says...

Bit surprised that he's not willing to try and play his way into the side, but at least he's being honest - and early enough for us to do something about it

We only want players who want to fight for the team.
Bit surprised that he's not willing to try and play his way into the side, but at least he's being honest - and early enough for us to do something about it We only want players who want to fight for the team. JohnnyBarnes
  • Score: 15

11:26am Mon 16 Jun 14

Ramageland says...

I wonder if he'll take his ball with him as well?
I wonder if he'll take his ball with him as well? Ramageland
  • Score: 22

11:30am Mon 16 Jun 14

Hornets number 12 fan says...

Prima Donna much?
Prima Donna much? Hornets number 12 fan
  • Score: 10

11:47am Mon 16 Jun 14

Andrew1963 says...

Interesting, sounds like the club were preparing for a big bid for Deeney in the January window, and brought in Ranegie. Clearly no one matched what we wanted for Deeney. that implies to me that Troy is less likely to go this summer than expected, unless a £4 million + bid comes in.
Interesting, sounds like the club were preparing for a big bid for Deeney in the January window, and brought in Ranegie. Clearly no one matched what we wanted for Deeney. that implies to me that Troy is less likely to go this summer than expected, unless a £4 million + bid comes in. Andrew1963
  • Score: -3

11:54am Mon 16 Jun 14

inayellowshirt says...

Probably let out on loan then.

Am I right in thinking he is one of the players who kicked off extra training at end of the season?
Probably let out on loan then. Am I right in thinking he is one of the players who kicked off extra training at end of the season? inayellowshirt
  • Score: 0

11:56am Mon 16 Jun 14

1watford says...

Andrew1963 wrote:
Interesting, sounds like the club were preparing for a big bid for Deeney in the January window, and brought in Ranegie. Clearly no one matched what we wanted for Deeney. that implies to me that Troy is less likely to go this summer than expected, unless a £4 million + bid comes in.
£4million + offer?!?!?!?!, apologies but being consistent goal scorer within a team that has changed so much and not hitting 27yr old yet and still puts in the hard work 24/7....... he is a £9 million pound player within todays market. Rhodes from Huddersfield £8m a couple years back... half the player Deeney is (granted alot more raw and younger) but Deeney is less of a risk for a player gives 110%....
[quote][p][bold]Andrew1963[/bold] wrote: Interesting, sounds like the club were preparing for a big bid for Deeney in the January window, and brought in Ranegie. Clearly no one matched what we wanted for Deeney. that implies to me that Troy is less likely to go this summer than expected, unless a £4 million + bid comes in.[/p][/quote]£4million + offer?!?!?!?!, apologies but being consistent goal scorer within a team that has changed so much and not hitting 27yr old yet and still puts in the hard work 24/7....... he is a £9 million pound player within todays market. Rhodes from Huddersfield £8m a couple years back... half the player Deeney is (granted alot more raw and younger) but Deeney is less of a risk for a player gives 110%.... 1watford
  • Score: 15

12:09pm Mon 16 Jun 14

mellow yellow says...

On an unrelated note, the away kit for the kids arrived this morning and it is top drawer. Well done, club.
On an unrelated note, the away kit for the kids arrived this morning and it is top drawer. Well done, club. mellow yellow
  • Score: 3

12:37pm Mon 16 Jun 14

rayman01 says...

I like what I've seen of Renegie and he is skilful for a big guy so no problem with him as Deeney replacement. What we need is speedy Vydra type striker to compliment a number 9 and as alternative to Fessi. Did not work out for Fabbrini as too lightweight for UK. We still have the same issue that needs to be solved. Luv the Horns!
I like what I've seen of Renegie and he is skilful for a big guy so no problem with him as Deeney replacement. What we need is speedy Vydra type striker to compliment a number 9 and as alternative to Fessi. Did not work out for Fabbrini as too lightweight for UK. We still have the same issue that needs to be solved. Luv the Horns! rayman01
  • Score: 1

12:56pm Mon 16 Jun 14

Hornet Cornet says...

Who exactly does Ranegie think he is, dictating where he will or won't play and what terms have to be complied with if he is to stay. This attitude isn't good enough - if he doesn't like it then off he goes. If he wants to fight for the team and play alongside Deeney then just knuckle down and do so. Is he saying that he has to be the star striker? If Deeney goes and we get another striker in, will Ranegie still spit his dummy out.

I am not aligned with this being honest nonsense. Play for the team no matter who your strike partner is / isn't.

End of

Love you all
HC.

P.S: Has anyone else forgotten than Renegade Ranegie is a loose cannon?
Who exactly does Ranegie think he is, dictating where he will or won't play and what terms have to be complied with if he is to stay. This attitude isn't good enough - if he doesn't like it then off he goes. If he wants to fight for the team and play alongside Deeney then just knuckle down and do so. Is he saying that he has to be the star striker? If Deeney goes and we get another striker in, will Ranegie still spit his dummy out. I am not aligned with this being honest nonsense. Play for the team no matter who your strike partner is / isn't. End of Love you all HC. P.S: Has anyone else forgotten than Renegade Ranegie is a loose cannon? Hornet Cornet
  • Score: -22

12:56pm Mon 16 Jun 14

Hornet Cornet says...

Who exactly does Ranegie think he is, dictating where he will or won't play and what terms have to be complied with if he is to stay. This attitude isn't good enough - if he doesn't like it then off he goes. If he wants to fight for the team and play alongside Deeney then just knuckle down and do so. Is he saying that he has to be the star striker? If Deeney goes and we get another striker in, will Ranegie still spit his dummy out.

I am not aligned with this being honest nonsense. Play for the team no matter who your strike partner is / isn't.

End of

Love you all
HC.

P.S: Has anyone else forgotten than Renegade Ranegie is a loose cannon?
Who exactly does Ranegie think he is, dictating where he will or won't play and what terms have to be complied with if he is to stay. This attitude isn't good enough - if he doesn't like it then off he goes. If he wants to fight for the team and play alongside Deeney then just knuckle down and do so. Is he saying that he has to be the star striker? If Deeney goes and we get another striker in, will Ranegie still spit his dummy out. I am not aligned with this being honest nonsense. Play for the team no matter who your strike partner is / isn't. End of Love you all HC. P.S: Has anyone else forgotten than Renegade Ranegie is a loose cannon? Hornet Cornet
  • Score: -22

1:04pm Mon 16 Jun 14

garston tony says...

Who says he's dictating? It sounds like as others have said he was brought in as Deeney's replacement but if TD stays then the club as much as the player will want to move him on
Who says he's dictating? It sounds like as others have said he was brought in as Deeney's replacement but if TD stays then the club as much as the player will want to move him on garston tony
  • Score: 26

1:23pm Mon 16 Jun 14

Andrew1963 says...

1watford wrote:
Andrew1963 wrote:
Interesting, sounds like the club were preparing for a big bid for Deeney in the January window, and brought in Ranegie. Clearly no one matched what we wanted for Deeney. that implies to me that Troy is less likely to go this summer than expected, unless a £4 million + bid comes in.
£4million + offer?!?!?!?!, apologies but being consistent goal scorer within a team that has changed so much and not hitting 27yr old yet and still puts in the hard work 24/7....... he is a £9 million pound player within todays market. Rhodes from Huddersfield £8m a couple years back... half the player Deeney is (granted alot more raw and younger) but Deeney is less of a risk for a player gives 110%....
I can't see any of the clubs linked to Deeney offering much more than £4 million, in which case we will both be right and he will stay and Ranegie will be looking for regular first team football elsewhere. McCormack at Leeds has offers at £5 million rejected, and only Championship clubs interested. so we will see if a Premiership club bids for Deeney or not.
[quote][p][bold]1watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andrew1963[/bold] wrote: Interesting, sounds like the club were preparing for a big bid for Deeney in the January window, and brought in Ranegie. Clearly no one matched what we wanted for Deeney. that implies to me that Troy is less likely to go this summer than expected, unless a £4 million + bid comes in.[/p][/quote]£4million + offer?!?!?!?!, apologies but being consistent goal scorer within a team that has changed so much and not hitting 27yr old yet and still puts in the hard work 24/7....... he is a £9 million pound player within todays market. Rhodes from Huddersfield £8m a couple years back... half the player Deeney is (granted alot more raw and younger) but Deeney is less of a risk for a player gives 110%....[/p][/quote]I can't see any of the clubs linked to Deeney offering much more than £4 million, in which case we will both be right and he will stay and Ranegie will be looking for regular first team football elsewhere. McCormack at Leeds has offers at £5 million rejected, and only Championship clubs interested. so we will see if a Premiership club bids for Deeney or not. Andrew1963
  • Score: -1

1:39pm Mon 16 Jun 14

Harry's Bar says...

Tabloid journalism for me, using quotes out of context . I'm sure Ranegie is only repeating what the Club have told him but some have taken it as Ranegie throwing his toys around.
Tabloid journalism for me, using quotes out of context . I'm sure Ranegie is only repeating what the Club have told him but some have taken it as Ranegie throwing his toys around. Harry's Bar
  • Score: 42

1:46pm Mon 16 Jun 14

1234566789 says...

Harry's Bar wrote:
Tabloid journalism for me, using quotes out of context . I'm sure Ranegie is only repeating what the Club have told him but some have taken it as Ranegie throwing his toys around.
Exactly. He isn't saying "I want to leave if Deeney stays", he is saying that the club have told him that he will leave if Deeney stays. Big difference!
[quote][p][bold]Harry's Bar[/bold] wrote: Tabloid journalism for me, using quotes out of context . I'm sure Ranegie is only repeating what the Club have told him but some have taken it as Ranegie throwing his toys around.[/p][/quote]Exactly. He isn't saying "I want to leave if Deeney stays", he is saying that the club have told him that he will leave if Deeney stays. Big difference! 1234566789
  • Score: 39

1:51pm Mon 16 Jun 14

1watford says...

Andrew1963 wrote:
1watford wrote:
Andrew1963 wrote:
Interesting, sounds like the club were preparing for a big bid for Deeney in the January window, and brought in Ranegie. Clearly no one matched what we wanted for Deeney. that implies to me that Troy is less likely to go this summer than expected, unless a £4 million + bid comes in.
£4million + offer?!?!?!?!, apologies but being consistent goal scorer within a team that has changed so much and not hitting 27yr old yet and still puts in the hard work 24/7....... he is a £9 million pound player within todays market. Rhodes from Huddersfield £8m a couple years back... half the player Deeney is (granted alot more raw and younger) but Deeney is less of a risk for a player gives 110%....
I can't see any of the clubs linked to Deeney offering much more than £4 million, in which case we will both be right and he will stay and Ranegie will be looking for regular first team football elsewhere. McCormack at Leeds has offers at £5 million rejected, and only Championship clubs interested. so we will see if a Premiership club bids for Deeney or not.
Yes, but leeds need to get him off their books as he is on £35k+ a week therefore the clubs going in for him hold the cards with the low asking price.... Deeney on the other hand is a sound investment whom will be offered a greater wage and we hold all the cards as does the Pozzos with the Vydra situation....

Permier League Clubs will be gagging to sign a goalscorer settled in england before the start of the season.... and if Ricky Van Wolfswinkel can sign for 10mill Euros + 2mill Bonus for norwich..... #fail

Wickham for £8mill to rise to £12 at sunderland to be loaned out (yes yes alot younger) and has done well (granted)

Clubs will pay, if they dont.... Deeney Deeney Deeney will be sung at the Vic till the price is right!

For what Deeney has done (progressed) and the way he is going I would be shocked if he left for less that £8-9million
[quote][p][bold]Andrew1963[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]1watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andrew1963[/bold] wrote: Interesting, sounds like the club were preparing for a big bid for Deeney in the January window, and brought in Ranegie. Clearly no one matched what we wanted for Deeney. that implies to me that Troy is less likely to go this summer than expected, unless a £4 million + bid comes in.[/p][/quote]£4million + offer?!?!?!?!, apologies but being consistent goal scorer within a team that has changed so much and not hitting 27yr old yet and still puts in the hard work 24/7....... he is a £9 million pound player within todays market. Rhodes from Huddersfield £8m a couple years back... half the player Deeney is (granted alot more raw and younger) but Deeney is less of a risk for a player gives 110%....[/p][/quote]I can't see any of the clubs linked to Deeney offering much more than £4 million, in which case we will both be right and he will stay and Ranegie will be looking for regular first team football elsewhere. McCormack at Leeds has offers at £5 million rejected, and only Championship clubs interested. so we will see if a Premiership club bids for Deeney or not.[/p][/quote]Yes, but leeds need to get him off their books as he is on £35k+ a week therefore the clubs going in for him hold the cards with the low asking price.... Deeney on the other hand is a sound investment whom will be offered a greater wage and we hold all the cards as does the Pozzos with the Vydra situation.... Permier League Clubs will be gagging to sign a goalscorer settled in england before the start of the season.... and if Ricky Van Wolfswinkel can sign for 10mill Euros + 2mill Bonus for norwich..... #fail Wickham for £8mill to rise to £12 at sunderland to be loaned out (yes yes alot younger) and has done well (granted) Clubs will pay, if they dont.... Deeney Deeney Deeney will be sung at the Vic till the price is right! For what Deeney has done (progressed) and the way he is going I would be shocked if he left for less that £8-9million 1watford
  • Score: 2

2:14pm Mon 16 Jun 14

micksolly says...

1234566789 wrote:
Harry's Bar wrote: Tabloid journalism for me, using quotes out of context . I'm sure Ranegie is only repeating what the Club have told him but some have taken it as Ranegie throwing his toys around.
Exactly. He isn't saying "I want to leave if Deeney stays", he is saying that the club have told him that he will leave if Deeney stays. Big difference!
That's how I read it.
[quote][p][bold]1234566789[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harry's Bar[/bold] wrote: Tabloid journalism for me, using quotes out of context . I'm sure Ranegie is only repeating what the Club have told him but some have taken it as Ranegie throwing his toys around.[/p][/quote]Exactly. He isn't saying "I want to leave if Deeney stays", he is saying that the club have told him that he will leave if Deeney stays. Big difference![/p][/quote]That's how I read it. micksolly
  • Score: 8

2:30pm Mon 16 Jun 14

The Skeptical Optimist says...

Deeney's probably the most interesting player in the Watford squad. Let's face it, he's been too good for us this last year. Almost any other player in that situation would be keen to go to the Premier League this summer. Yet Deeney's situation is more nuanced, because Watford did him a massive favour in taking him back after his prison sentence. He still may go, but I feel that this gives us greater hope - certainly in Deeney's attitude towards staying or leaving. This is not to mention that Deeney's really grown up and turned over a new leaf as a person since going to prison. I know it sounds crazy, but maybe his prison sentence was one of the best things to happen to him and to Watford in the end.
Deeney's probably the most interesting player in the Watford squad. Let's face it, he's been too good for us this last year. Almost any other player in that situation would be keen to go to the Premier League this summer. Yet Deeney's situation is more nuanced, because Watford did him a massive favour in taking him back after his prison sentence. He still may go, but I feel that this gives us greater hope - certainly in Deeney's attitude towards staying or leaving. This is not to mention that Deeney's really grown up and turned over a new leaf as a person since going to prison. I know it sounds crazy, but maybe his prison sentence was one of the best things to happen to him and to Watford in the end. The Skeptical Optimist
  • Score: 15

2:32pm Mon 16 Jun 14

Rookery Veteren says...

Many of these comments seem a bit harsh on the big man. He seems to be just telling it how it is, not his choice or tantrum just the reality if Troy doesn't move on. Have to say I was wondering where he would fit in if TD stays and we recruit any of the various strikers we admit to having an interest in.
Many of these comments seem a bit harsh on the big man. He seems to be just telling it how it is, not his choice or tantrum just the reality if Troy doesn't move on. Have to say I was wondering where he would fit in if TD stays and we recruit any of the various strikers we admit to having an interest in. Rookery Veteren
  • Score: 14

2:58pm Mon 16 Jun 14

cliff46 says...

I am puzzled because whether Deeney stays or not surely the squad should include two big strikers or are we only allowed to have only one ?
I am puzzled because whether Deeney stays or not surely the squad should include two big strikers or are we only allowed to have only one ? cliff46
  • Score: -2

3:12pm Mon 16 Jun 14

londomollari says...

micksolly wrote:
1234566789 wrote:
Harry's Bar wrote: Tabloid journalism for me, using quotes out of context . I'm sure Ranegie is only repeating what the Club have told him but some have taken it as Ranegie throwing his toys around.
Exactly. He isn't saying "I want to leave if Deeney stays", he is saying that the club have told him that he will leave if Deeney stays. Big difference!
That's how I read it.
Yes,people DO jump in too quickly with ill-considered comments. He is quoting what the club has told HIM.
[quote][p][bold]micksolly[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]1234566789[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harry's Bar[/bold] wrote: Tabloid journalism for me, using quotes out of context . I'm sure Ranegie is only repeating what the Club have told him but some have taken it as Ranegie throwing his toys around.[/p][/quote]Exactly. He isn't saying "I want to leave if Deeney stays", he is saying that the club have told him that he will leave if Deeney stays. Big difference![/p][/quote]That's how I read it.[/p][/quote]Yes,people DO jump in too quickly with ill-considered comments. He is quoting what the club has told HIM. londomollari
  • Score: 10

3:24pm Mon 16 Jun 14

Larrythe Loafer 'Orn says...

IMHO it is simple. If the club don't want him he will be gone.
If he doesn't want to stay and fight for a place ( which will always be the case whoever it's against) then jog on.
I would rather he said I can do a better job than TD and proved it. Now that's the player I REALLY want
IMHO it is simple. If the club don't want him he will be gone. If he doesn't want to stay and fight for a place ( which will always be the case whoever it's against) then jog on. I would rather he said I can do a better job than TD and proved it. Now that's the player I REALLY want Larrythe Loafer 'Orn
  • Score: -3

4:41pm Mon 16 Jun 14

lutondown says...

D.unstable wrote:
Does this mean that he is not prepared to fight for a place in the starting 11? If Deeney goes I would expect alternatives to arrive, so Renegie will still have competition regadless. Not a good message at all.

Maybe it has nothing to do with the shirt and he just dosnt like the guy.
Dusty.... I think he's saying he has no say in the matter. Might have something to do with Vydras mooted return?
I think the headline is unfair to the guy and people are reacting to that rather than the content
[quote][p][bold]D.unstable[/bold] wrote: Does this mean that he is not prepared to fight for a place in the starting 11? If Deeney goes I would expect alternatives to arrive, so Renegie will still have competition regadless. Not a good message at all. Maybe it has nothing to do with the shirt and he just dosnt like the guy.[/p][/quote]Dusty.... I think he's saying he has no say in the matter. Might have something to do with Vydras mooted return? I think the headline is unfair to the guy and people are reacting to that rather than the content lutondown
  • Score: 7

4:42pm Mon 16 Jun 14

andyrankin says...

can anyone tell me how long on average for each game the highlights are on the WFC player? I am thinking of subscribing.
can anyone tell me how long on average for each game the highlights are on the WFC player? I am thinking of subscribing. andyrankin
  • Score: 1

4:44pm Mon 16 Jun 14

lutondown says...

mellow yellow wrote:
On an unrelated note, the away kit for the kids arrived this morning and it is top drawer. Well done, club.
I love the clubs gesture... Not bad for a bunch of uncaring foreigners is it?
Glad you like...:-)
I'm not a shirter but will def buy one!
[quote][p][bold]mellow yellow[/bold] wrote: On an unrelated note, the away kit for the kids arrived this morning and it is top drawer. Well done, club.[/p][/quote]I love the clubs gesture... Not bad for a bunch of uncaring foreigners is it? Glad you like...:-) I'm not a shirter but will def buy one! lutondown
  • Score: 1

4:48pm Mon 16 Jun 14

watford1881 says...

This sort of thing happens alot across Europe.. Lets just hope Troy gives us another season.. I wouldn't
lose any sleep if Troy stays and Reg leaves...
This sort of thing happens alot across Europe.. Lets just hope Troy gives us another season.. I wouldn't lose any sleep if Troy stays and Reg leaves... watford1881
  • Score: 0

4:50pm Mon 16 Jun 14

VOReason says...

watford1881 wrote:
This sort of thing happens alot across Europe.. Lets just hope Troy gives us another season.. I wouldn't
lose any sleep if Troy stays and Reg leaves...
4 goals in 8 starts, I'd be sad to see him go ...
[quote][p][bold]watford1881[/bold] wrote: This sort of thing happens alot across Europe.. Lets just hope Troy gives us another season.. I wouldn't lose any sleep if Troy stays and Reg leaves...[/p][/quote]4 goals in 8 starts, I'd be sad to see him go ... VOReason
  • Score: 9

5:02pm Mon 16 Jun 14

andyhooked says...

Sad from a guy that had lots of personal issues and went into rehab, as I have heard. We all hope that Troy does a full season with us and we get promoted. Why does Ranegie reckon that he can not play with Troy? Then is it true that he has been told to find another club by WFC if Troy stays or is this just agent's speak? Truth is we do not know where the truth is these days.
Sad from a guy that had lots of personal issues and went into rehab, as I have heard. We all hope that Troy does a full season with us and we get promoted. Why does Ranegie reckon that he can not play with Troy? Then is it true that he has been told to find another club by WFC if Troy stays or is this just agent's speak? Truth is we do not know where the truth is these days. andyhooked
  • Score: -1

5:46pm Mon 16 Jun 14

stiffler99 says...

Bye then!
Bye then! stiffler99
  • Score: -12

6:00pm Mon 16 Jun 14

SJM...laugh at luton says...

Reading all the comments looks like Troy is staying...
Reading all the comments looks like Troy is staying... SJM...laugh at luton
  • Score: 0

6:32pm Mon 16 Jun 14

watford1881 says...

VOReason wrote:
watford1881 wrote:
This sort of thing happens alot across Europe.. Lets just hope Troy gives us another season.. I wouldn't
lose any sleep if Troy stays and Reg leaves...
4 goals in 8 starts, I'd be sad to see him go ...
So for U Deeney to go & Reg to stay... Unbelievable....
[quote][p][bold]VOReason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]watford1881[/bold] wrote: This sort of thing happens alot across Europe.. Lets just hope Troy gives us another season.. I wouldn't lose any sleep if Troy stays and Reg leaves...[/p][/quote]4 goals in 8 starts, I'd be sad to see him go ...[/p][/quote]So for U Deeney to go & Reg to stay... Unbelievable.... watford1881
  • Score: -8

7:12pm Mon 16 Jun 14

VOReason says...

watford1881 wrote:
VOReason wrote:
watford1881 wrote:
This sort of thing happens alot across Europe.. Lets just hope Troy gives us another season.. I wouldn't
lose any sleep if Troy stays and Reg leaves...
4 goals in 8 starts, I'd be sad to see him go ...
So for U Deeney to go & Reg to stay... Unbelievable....
Is that what I said? I thought his signing brought more effort out of Deeney, they played well in tandem and I believe he had more to come.

Deeney and a motivated vydra would be everyone's first choice, however I find it strange we are linked with ighalo and even Graham when ranegie did reasonably well.

We all know everyone has a price and however inflated deeney's is the pozzos will sell if their valuation is met. Unlike under previous regimes this will not be the end of the world as pozzos will invest and send suitable replacements.
[quote][p][bold]watford1881[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VOReason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]watford1881[/bold] wrote: This sort of thing happens alot across Europe.. Lets just hope Troy gives us another season.. I wouldn't lose any sleep if Troy stays and Reg leaves...[/p][/quote]4 goals in 8 starts, I'd be sad to see him go ...[/p][/quote]So for U Deeney to go & Reg to stay... Unbelievable....[/p][/quote]Is that what I said? I thought his signing brought more effort out of Deeney, they played well in tandem and I believe he had more to come. Deeney and a motivated vydra would be everyone's first choice, however I find it strange we are linked with ighalo and even Graham when ranegie did reasonably well. We all know everyone has a price and however inflated deeney's is the pozzos will sell if their valuation is met. Unlike under previous regimes this will not be the end of the world as pozzos will invest and send suitable replacements. VOReason
  • Score: 4

7:34pm Mon 16 Jun 14

the jesterwestport says...

big rumour from italy vydras returning to the old vic!!!!!!!
big rumour from italy vydras returning to the old vic!!!!!!! the jesterwestport
  • Score: 4

7:51pm Mon 16 Jun 14

soulfulhornet says...

the jesterwestport wrote:
big rumour from italy vydras returning to the old vic!!!!!!!
Hope this is true, but what exactly is your source from Italy? Inside Udinese ?

Still uncertain re Troy! Reading into Deeney's comments he seems quite relaxed about it. I hope he stays, but with 1 year on his contract, the club probably don't want that to run down.

Fees in the region of £8-9m seem excessive, I think if we negotiate well we might get £5-6m. If £3m on the table, I believe the club will hold fire, see where we are in Jan 2015. If we look like being promoted he stays and gets a new deal, if not we get a knock down price, poss £2m.

This has implications for Ranegie, Graham etc. I don't recall Danny and Troy playing that much together under Malky. At that point Marvin had overtaken Troy. BUt don't know what the relationship between them is like. Which one would be the leader in attack ? Do they get on? I don't know.

Ranegie not asked for move, given the option so give him some slack. At 30 he needs to play that was probably one of the reasons he agreed to join us in the first place. Apart from that stupid (albeit understandable) reaction to having his hand stamped upon at Doncaster, what has he done wrong ?
[quote][p][bold]the jesterwestport[/bold] wrote: big rumour from italy vydras returning to the old vic!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Hope this is true, but what exactly is your source from Italy? Inside Udinese ? Still uncertain re Troy! Reading into Deeney's comments he seems quite relaxed about it. I hope he stays, but with 1 year on his contract, the club probably don't want that to run down. Fees in the region of £8-9m seem excessive, I think if we negotiate well we might get £5-6m. If £3m on the table, I believe the club will hold fire, see where we are in Jan 2015. If we look like being promoted he stays and gets a new deal, if not we get a knock down price, poss £2m. This has implications for Ranegie, Graham etc. I don't recall Danny and Troy playing that much together under Malky. At that point Marvin had overtaken Troy. BUt don't know what the relationship between them is like. Which one would be the leader in attack ? Do they get on? I don't know. Ranegie not asked for move, given the option so give him some slack. At 30 he needs to play that was probably one of the reasons he agreed to join us in the first place. Apart from that stupid (albeit understandable) reaction to having his hand stamped upon at Doncaster, what has he done wrong ? soulfulhornet
  • Score: 1

8:29pm Mon 16 Jun 14

Andrew1963 says...

Talking of Sordell, would he be worth a punt as a returning player with a career to rebuild?
Talking of Sordell, would he be worth a punt as a returning player with a career to rebuild? Andrew1963
  • Score: -1

10:00pm Mon 16 Jun 14

SAHornet says...

andyrankin wrote:
can anyone tell me how long on average for each game the highlights are on the WFC player? I am thinking of subscribing.
andy, the day after a game (which is audio'd live, by the way), you get the goal highlights only lasting about 4 or 5 mins. The day after that, you get the extended highlights which last about 20 mins on average. I live in South Africa and couldn't do without Hornets Player as I listen to most games live and watch the video/audio highlights several times over. Hope this helps.
[quote][p][bold]andyrankin[/bold] wrote: can anyone tell me how long on average for each game the highlights are on the WFC player? I am thinking of subscribing.[/p][/quote]andy, the day after a game (which is audio'd live, by the way), you get the goal highlights only lasting about 4 or 5 mins. The day after that, you get the extended highlights which last about 20 mins on average. I live in South Africa and couldn't do without Hornets Player as I listen to most games live and watch the video/audio highlights several times over. Hope this helps. SAHornet
  • Score: 3

10:03pm Mon 16 Jun 14

soulfulhornet says...

Andrew1963 wrote:
Talking of Sordell, would he be worth a punt as a returning player with a career to rebuild?
Not sure he is the player now we brought through, not sure Danny is the answer either. Marvin's career went backwards at Bolton and probably back further at Charlton. Selling him in Jan 2012 was a mistake for everyone - not one of Baz's better decisions (oops were there any good ones!).

Could he resurrect his career? And if so could he do so with us. Undecided.
[quote][p][bold]Andrew1963[/bold] wrote: Talking of Sordell, would he be worth a punt as a returning player with a career to rebuild?[/p][/quote]Not sure he is the player now we brought through, not sure Danny is the answer either. Marvin's career went backwards at Bolton and probably back further at Charlton. Selling him in Jan 2012 was a mistake for everyone - not one of Baz's better decisions (oops were there any good ones!). Could he resurrect his career? And if so could he do so with us. Undecided. soulfulhornet
  • Score: 2

10:52pm Mon 16 Jun 14

EltonForever says...

Too much talk for my liking of former players wanting to return on finding out that the next door fields were not as green as they were made out to be.
Too much talk for my liking of former players wanting to return on finding out that the next door fields were not as green as they were made out to be. EltonForever
  • Score: 2

3:23am Tue 17 Jun 14

bishopofwatford says...

EltonForever wrote:
Too much talk for my liking of former players wanting to return on finding out that the next door fields were not as green as they were made out to be.
Fair comment , i tend to agree it is usually a mistake to resign former employees with three possible notable exceptions in the past ..GT,luther and tommy smith.

However it would seenm very good business sense with troy having one year left on his contract to accept say 6 to 8 mio for him take a putnt on danny graham at 1 to 2 mio and tommy smith (again) on a free for one year.

That only leaves in my opinion the vexed question mark hanging over the following players.......

Belkaien...hope he has a blinding world cup and moves on
Bond ...loan out for half season regular action in league one
Wood...really dont know poss sell

Hall..go
Nosworth go
Jenkins loan/sell
Ipeazu ...make sure i get spelling right ! ......bench


A lot of other uncertainties but i suspect there are a number of deals being tied up right now with a blitz of announcements dur first few days of july.

Anyway off to write sundays sermon and restuff the kneelers.

Keep the faith..COYH
[quote][p][bold]EltonForever[/bold] wrote: Too much talk for my liking of former players wanting to return on finding out that the next door fields were not as green as they were made out to be.[/p][/quote]Fair comment , i tend to agree it is usually a mistake to resign former employees with three possible notable exceptions in the past ..GT,luther and tommy smith. However it would seenm very good business sense with troy having one year left on his contract to accept say 6 to 8 mio for him take a putnt on danny graham at 1 to 2 mio and tommy smith (again) on a free for one year. That only leaves in my opinion the vexed question mark hanging over the following players....... Belkaien...hope he has a blinding world cup and moves on Bond ...loan out for half season regular action in league one Wood...really dont know poss sell Hall..go Nosworth go Jenkins loan/sell Ipeazu ...make sure i get spelling right ! ......bench A lot of other uncertainties but i suspect there are a number of deals being tied up right now with a blitz of announcements dur first few days of july. Anyway off to write sundays sermon and restuff the kneelers. Keep the faith..COYH bishopofwatford
  • Score: -4

7:53am Tue 17 Jun 14

1234566789 says...

bishopofwatford wrote:
EltonForever wrote:
Too much talk for my liking of former players wanting to return on finding out that the next door fields were not as green as they were made out to be.
Fair comment , i tend to agree it is usually a mistake to resign former employees with three possible notable exceptions in the past ..GT,luther and tommy smith.

However it would seenm very good business sense with troy having one year left on his contract to accept say 6 to 8 mio for him take a putnt on danny graham at 1 to 2 mio and tommy smith (again) on a free for one year.

That only leaves in my opinion the vexed question mark hanging over the following players.......

Belkaien...hope he has a blinding world cup and moves on
Bond ...loan out for half season regular action in league one
Wood...really dont know poss sell

Hall..go
Nosworth go
Jenkins loan/sell
Ipeazu ...make sure i get spelling right ! ......bench


A lot of other uncertainties but i suspect there are a number of deals being tied up right now with a blitz of announcements dur first few days of july.

Anyway off to write sundays sermon and restuff the kneelers.

Keep the faith..COYH
Woods, Hall, Nosworthy and Jenkins have all been released already.....
[quote][p][bold]bishopofwatford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]EltonForever[/bold] wrote: Too much talk for my liking of former players wanting to return on finding out that the next door fields were not as green as they were made out to be.[/p][/quote]Fair comment , i tend to agree it is usually a mistake to resign former employees with three possible notable exceptions in the past ..GT,luther and tommy smith. However it would seenm very good business sense with troy having one year left on his contract to accept say 6 to 8 mio for him take a putnt on danny graham at 1 to 2 mio and tommy smith (again) on a free for one year. That only leaves in my opinion the vexed question mark hanging over the following players....... Belkaien...hope he has a blinding world cup and moves on Bond ...loan out for half season regular action in league one Wood...really dont know poss sell Hall..go Nosworth go Jenkins loan/sell Ipeazu ...make sure i get spelling right ! ......bench A lot of other uncertainties but i suspect there are a number of deals being tied up right now with a blitz of announcements dur first few days of july. Anyway off to write sundays sermon and restuff the kneelers. Keep the faith..COYH[/p][/quote]Woods, Hall, Nosworthy and Jenkins have all been released already..... 1234566789
  • Score: 3

8:51am Tue 17 Jun 14

Harry's Bar says...

1234566789 wrote:
bishopofwatford wrote:
EltonForever wrote:
Too much talk for my liking of former players wanting to return on finding out that the next door fields were not as green as they were made out to be.
Fair comment , i tend to agree it is usually a mistake to resign former employees with three possible notable exceptions in the past ..GT,luther and tommy smith.

However it would seenm very good business sense with troy having one year left on his contract to accept say 6 to 8 mio for him take a putnt on danny graham at 1 to 2 mio and tommy smith (again) on a free for one year.

That only leaves in my opinion the vexed question mark hanging over the following players.......

Belkaien...hope he has a blinding world cup and moves on
Bond ...loan out for half season regular action in league one
Wood...really dont know poss sell

Hall..go
Nosworth go
Jenkins loan/sell
Ipeazu ...make sure i get spelling right ! ......bench


A lot of other uncertainties but i suspect there are a number of deals being tied up right now with a blitz of announcements dur first few days of july.

Anyway off to write sundays sermon and restuff the kneelers.

Keep the faith..COYH
Woods, Hall, Nosworthy and Jenkins have all been released already.....
.....oh and Reverend, your spelling of Ikpeazu is wrong.
[quote][p][bold]1234566789[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bishopofwatford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]EltonForever[/bold] wrote: Too much talk for my liking of former players wanting to return on finding out that the next door fields were not as green as they were made out to be.[/p][/quote]Fair comment , i tend to agree it is usually a mistake to resign former employees with three possible notable exceptions in the past ..GT,luther and tommy smith. However it would seenm very good business sense with troy having one year left on his contract to accept say 6 to 8 mio for him take a putnt on danny graham at 1 to 2 mio and tommy smith (again) on a free for one year. That only leaves in my opinion the vexed question mark hanging over the following players....... Belkaien...hope he has a blinding world cup and moves on Bond ...loan out for half season regular action in league one Wood...really dont know poss sell Hall..go Nosworth go Jenkins loan/sell Ipeazu ...make sure i get spelling right ! ......bench A lot of other uncertainties but i suspect there are a number of deals being tied up right now with a blitz of announcements dur first few days of july. Anyway off to write sundays sermon and restuff the kneelers. Keep the faith..COYH[/p][/quote]Woods, Hall, Nosworthy and Jenkins have all been released already.....[/p][/quote].....oh and Reverend, your spelling of Ikpeazu is wrong. Harry's Bar
  • Score: 0

9:55am Tue 17 Jun 14

Watswede says...

Live in sweden, read the Expressen which is a full interview on his journey through his problems, he explains that he forces hos way into the national team, then got injured. He goes on to say that he was happy with his form with watford before he got injured again. He knows deeney is first choice and believes he would be hos replacement if sold. He realises he needs to play on a regluar basis,and would consider a move away from watford. club hve agreed.......so read into this what you will.
Live in sweden, read the Expressen which is a full interview on his journey through his problems, he explains that he forces hos way into the national team, then got injured. He goes on to say that he was happy with his form with watford before he got injured again. He knows deeney is first choice and believes he would be hos replacement if sold. He realises he needs to play on a regluar basis,and would consider a move away from watford. club hve agreed.......so read into this what you will. Watswede
  • Score: 4

4:44pm Tue 17 Jun 14

allentrev says...

What happened with the recent discussions/vote regarding more home grown players in the squad? Can't see Watford wanting to release Deeney if the vote was to increase to 9 in the match day squad unless they get an offer they cant refuse (which surely would have to be double digets with six zeros after it).
If Watford and the Pozzo's are serious about promotion Deeney has to be the first name on the sheet every week. Who else can boast of 20+ goals in both the last two seasons in the Championship (one of which he missed a few games).
What happened with the recent discussions/vote regarding more home grown players in the squad? Can't see Watford wanting to release Deeney if the vote was to increase to 9 in the match day squad unless they get an offer they cant refuse (which surely would have to be double digets with six zeros after it). If Watford and the Pozzo's are serious about promotion Deeney has to be the first name on the sheet every week. Who else can boast of 20+ goals in both the last two seasons in the Championship (one of which he missed a few games). allentrev
  • Score: 0

6:08pm Tue 17 Jun 14

andyrankin says...

SAHornet wrote:
andyrankin wrote:
can anyone tell me how long on average for each game the highlights are on the WFC player? I am thinking of subscribing.
andy, the day after a game (which is audio'd live, by the way), you get the goal highlights only lasting about 4 or 5 mins. The day after that, you get the extended highlights which last about 20 mins on average. I live in South Africa and couldn't do without Hornets Player as I listen to most games live and watch the video/audio highlights several times over. Hope this helps.
thanks SAHornet. I will get it as well now.
[quote][p][bold]SAHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andyrankin[/bold] wrote: can anyone tell me how long on average for each game the highlights are on the WFC player? I am thinking of subscribing.[/p][/quote]andy, the day after a game (which is audio'd live, by the way), you get the goal highlights only lasting about 4 or 5 mins. The day after that, you get the extended highlights which last about 20 mins on average. I live in South Africa and couldn't do without Hornets Player as I listen to most games live and watch the video/audio highlights several times over. Hope this helps.[/p][/quote]thanks SAHornet. I will get it as well now. andyrankin
  • Score: 0

7:15pm Tue 17 Jun 14

The Swede says...

This article is based on a misinterpretation, a bit lost in translation from the Swedish language. Ranegie is simply stating that he views himself as the natural replacement IF Deeney leaves. He is saying that if the club does not believe in him, then he wants to leave. He's NOT saying that if Deeney stays, he'll go. So hold your horses, Ranegie is loyal to our club!
This article is based on a misinterpretation, a bit lost in translation from the Swedish language. Ranegie is simply stating that he views himself as the natural replacement IF Deeney leaves. He is saying that if the club does not believe in him, then he wants to leave. He's NOT saying that if Deeney stays, he'll go. So hold your horses, Ranegie is loyal to our club! The Swede
  • Score: 2

7:03am Wed 18 Jun 14

Chris the Vic says...

For the last two seasons we as a club have been blighted by players seeing red. 12 appearances 4 goals and was it 2 reds How many more goals and points would we have had if this hot head had calmed down but at his age he wont change so show him the door.

A fo your oments swede, would love to believe you but loyalty is shown by earning respect of each other and he has left the team short so whatever nationality the door awaits
For the last two seasons we as a club have been blighted by players seeing red. 12 appearances 4 goals and was it 2 reds How many more goals and points would we have had if this hot head had calmed down but at his age he wont change so show him the door. A fo your oments swede, would love to believe you but loyalty is shown by earning respect of each other and he has left the team short so whatever nationality the door awaits Chris the Vic
  • Score: -1

2:59pm Thu 19 Jun 14

The Swede says...

Chris the Vic wrote:
For the last two seasons we as a club have been blighted by players seeing red. 12 appearances 4 goals and was it 2 reds How many more goals and points would we have had if this hot head had calmed down but at his age he wont change so show him the door.

A fo your oments swede, would love to believe you but loyalty is shown by earning respect of each other and he has left the team short so whatever nationality the door awaits
Got a point there! I don't think that Ranegie could replace Deeney. But still...the article above is based on a misinterpretation. Ranegie didn't say this in the Swedish article.
[quote][p][bold]Chris the Vic[/bold] wrote: For the last two seasons we as a club have been blighted by players seeing red. 12 appearances 4 goals and was it 2 reds How many more goals and points would we have had if this hot head had calmed down but at his age he wont change so show him the door. A fo your oments swede, would love to believe you but loyalty is shown by earning respect of each other and he has left the team short so whatever nationality the door awaits[/p][/quote]Got a point there! I don't think that Ranegie could replace Deeney. But still...the article above is based on a misinterpretation. Ranegie didn't say this in the Swedish article. The Swede
  • Score: 0

3:28pm Sun 22 Jun 14

PozzoHornet says...

soulfulhornet wrote:
the jesterwestport wrote:
big rumour from italy vydras returning to the old vic!!!!!!!
Hope this is true, but what exactly is your source from Italy? Inside Udinese ?

Still uncertain re Troy! Reading into Deeney's comments he seems quite relaxed about it. I hope he stays, but with 1 year on his contract, the club probably don't want that to run down.

Fees in the region of £8-9m seem excessive, I think if we negotiate well we might get £5-6m. If £3m on the table, I believe the club will hold fire, see where we are in Jan 2015. If we look like being promoted he stays and gets a new deal, if not we get a knock down price, poss £2m.

This has implications for Ranegie, Graham etc. I don't recall Danny and Troy playing that much together under Malky. At that point Marvin had overtaken Troy. BUt don't know what the relationship between them is like. Which one would be the leader in attack ? Do they get on? I don't know.

Ranegie not asked for move, given the option so give him some slack. At 30 he needs to play that was probably one of the reasons he agreed to join us in the first place. Apart from that stupid (albeit understandable) reaction to having his hand stamped upon at Doncaster, what has he done wrong ?
Pretty sure Deeney has 2 years left on his contract, not 1? Signed a 3 year extension in the Play-Off season if I remember correctly.
[quote][p][bold]soulfulhornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the jesterwestport[/bold] wrote: big rumour from italy vydras returning to the old vic!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Hope this is true, but what exactly is your source from Italy? Inside Udinese ? Still uncertain re Troy! Reading into Deeney's comments he seems quite relaxed about it. I hope he stays, but with 1 year on his contract, the club probably don't want that to run down. Fees in the region of £8-9m seem excessive, I think if we negotiate well we might get £5-6m. If £3m on the table, I believe the club will hold fire, see where we are in Jan 2015. If we look like being promoted he stays and gets a new deal, if not we get a knock down price, poss £2m. This has implications for Ranegie, Graham etc. I don't recall Danny and Troy playing that much together under Malky. At that point Marvin had overtaken Troy. BUt don't know what the relationship between them is like. Which one would be the leader in attack ? Do they get on? I don't know. Ranegie not asked for move, given the option so give him some slack. At 30 he needs to play that was probably one of the reasons he agreed to join us in the first place. Apart from that stupid (albeit understandable) reaction to having his hand stamped upon at Doncaster, what has he done wrong ?[/p][/quote]Pretty sure Deeney has 2 years left on his contract, not 1? Signed a 3 year extension in the Play-Off season if I remember correctly. PozzoHornet
  • Score: 0

6:27pm Thu 3 Jul 14

neil-bs says...

garston tony wrote:
Who says he's dictating? It sounds like as others have said he was brought in as Deeney's replacement but if TD stays then the club as much as the player will want to move him on
Too right Tony. I read it exactly the same as you. I imagine the WOB tried to sensationalise the story a bit but I think Ranegie and the club are just being realistic. Actually, I think he has a good attitude. However, he is 30 and he needs to play and the club recognises that. Guess he and Vydra could combine well but it may be more important for him to get a club where he can play every week and I understand that.
Some of the contributions here are really out of the gutter.
[quote][p][bold]garston tony[/bold] wrote: Who says he's dictating? It sounds like as others have said he was brought in as Deeney's replacement but if TD stays then the club as much as the player will want to move him on[/p][/quote]Too right Tony. I read it exactly the same as you. I imagine the WOB tried to sensationalise the story a bit but I think Ranegie and the club are just being realistic. Actually, I think he has a good attitude. However, he is 30 and he needs to play and the club recognises that. Guess he and Vydra could combine well but it may be more important for him to get a club where he can play every week and I understand that. Some of the contributions here are really out of the gutter. neil-bs
  • Score: 0

12:19pm Fri 4 Jul 14

neil-bs says...

Larrythe Loafer 'Orn wrote:
IMHO it is simple. If the club don't want him he will be gone.
If he doesn't want to stay and fight for a place ( which will always be the case whoever it's against) then jog on.
I would rather he said I can do a better job than TD and proved it. Now that's the player I REALLY want
And then he is 31 with another year sitting on the bench. Think about it.
[quote][p][bold]Larrythe Loafer 'Orn[/bold] wrote: IMHO it is simple. If the club don't want him he will be gone. If he doesn't want to stay and fight for a place ( which will always be the case whoever it's against) then jog on. I would rather he said I can do a better job than TD and proved it. Now that's the player I REALLY want[/p][/quote]And then he is 31 with another year sitting on the bench. Think about it. neil-bs
  • Score: 0

12:23pm Fri 4 Jul 14

neil-bs says...

andyhooked wrote:
Sad from a guy that had lots of personal issues and went into rehab, as I have heard. We all hope that Troy does a full season with us and we get promoted. Why does Ranegie reckon that he can not play with Troy? Then is it true that he has been told to find another club by WFC if Troy stays or is this just agent's speak? Truth is we do not know where the truth is these days.
And you probably don't know where to start looking for the truth. You have a really depressing perspective.
[quote][p][bold]andyhooked[/bold] wrote: Sad from a guy that had lots of personal issues and went into rehab, as I have heard. We all hope that Troy does a full season with us and we get promoted. Why does Ranegie reckon that he can not play with Troy? Then is it true that he has been told to find another club by WFC if Troy stays or is this just agent's speak? Truth is we do not know where the truth is these days.[/p][/quote]And you probably don't know where to start looking for the truth. You have a really depressing perspective. neil-bs
  • Score: 0

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