COMMENT: Unusual Dániel Tőzsér deal another example of the Pozzos using their contact list to help Watford

Picture: Dave Peters

Picture: Dave Peters

First published in Sport by

The journey Dániel Tőzsér has taken to re-join Watford has been unusual and unexpected but it is another example of the Pozzos using their contacts in Italian football to help enhance the Hornets' squad significantly.

The Hungary international has been the Golden Boys' number one target for the holding midfield role all summer following his successful loan spell during the second half of last season.

Tőzsér was contracted to Serie A side Genoa but had not played for the club during the first half of the 2013/14 campaign when the Hornets made their move.

The Championship club wanted Tőzsér back, the 29-year-old was keen on a return and Genoa were looking to clear him from their wage bill.

However, prolonged discussions did not lead to Tőzsér joining Watford on a permanent deal, one assumes because of Genoa's demands being deemed unreasonable by the Golden Boys' hierarchy.

But crucially the deal got done, just via a different route to what Golden Boys fans are used to.

The Pozzos also own Udinese and with Parma keen on one of their players, it appears Gino Pozzo reached an agreement with Parma to sign Tőzsér from Genoa and then immediately loan the player back to the Hornets.

When the deal was announced as a two-year loan, it was unexpected as it is unusual in English football. But such agreements are common in Italy.

Tőzsér will almost certainly never pull on a Parma shirt as his two-year stay in Hertfordshire covers the whole of his contract with the Serie A club.

The Hornets confirmed they have the option of an additional year but that is with the player himself.

So in effect, Watford get their transfer target for two seasons, without having to pay a loan fee as we understand it, and then if they still want the then 31-year-old in the summer of 2016 then they have the option to activate another year's contract.

Parma don't have to pay any of the player's wages - it seems to be merely a measure to smooth his transition to Watford - and one would assume the Serie A side's hopes of signing the unnamed Udinese player are boosted, I guess with the fee being adjusted accordingly. If that is the case, then it seems to be a win-win for both clubs.

It is unusual and a little convoluted but it is another example of the Pozzos using their extensive knowledge and contacts in Italian football to the benefit of their English club Watford.

There will be further comment from Frank Smith on the Hornets' transfer policy in Friday's Watford Observer.

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7:28am Wed 9 Jul 14

endean2 says...

can not wait to hear Hollowheads comments at the breakfast table this
morning and our friend from the Mail!
spitting chips I would imagine
can not wait to hear Hollowheads comments at the breakfast table this morning and our friend from the Mail! spitting chips I would imagine endean2
  • Score: 33

7:58am Wed 9 Jul 14

JohnnyHornet says...

endean2 wrote:
can not wait to hear Hollowheads comments at the breakfast table this
morning and our friend from the Mail!
spitting chips I would imagine
Ha ha, who cares what Hollowhead says or thinks.........DT is ours for 2 years or longer, long may the Pozzo family reign over us.
[quote][p][bold]endean2[/bold] wrote: can not wait to hear Hollowheads comments at the breakfast table this morning and our friend from the Mail! spitting chips I would imagine[/p][/quote]Ha ha, who cares what Hollowhead says or thinks.........DT is ours for 2 years or longer, long may the Pozzo family reign over us. JohnnyHornet
  • Score: 22

9:02am Wed 9 Jul 14

harryhornet says...

I might be looking at this too simply but if the fee Parma will pay for the Udinese player is to be adjusted to account for the fact that Parma had to meet Genoa's demands on the Toszer deal, would it not have been more straightforward for Watford simply to have met Genoa's demands themselves? That way the Udinese - Parma deal for the other player would have been left clean whereas presumably now Udinese are in Parma's debt which surely affects their negotiating position on the deal for the other player. At the end of the day I don't really care as we've got the player we want but there must be more to it than this...
I might be looking at this too simply but if the fee Parma will pay for the Udinese player is to be adjusted to account for the fact that Parma had to meet Genoa's demands on the Toszer deal, would it not have been more straightforward for Watford simply to have met Genoa's demands themselves? That way the Udinese - Parma deal for the other player would have been left clean whereas presumably now Udinese are in Parma's debt which surely affects their negotiating position on the deal for the other player. At the end of the day I don't really care as we've got the player we want but there must be more to it than this... harryhornet
  • Score: -10

9:21am Wed 9 Jul 14

GarstonHorn says...

harryhornet wrote:
I might be looking at this too simply but if the fee Parma will pay for the Udinese player is to be adjusted to account for the fact that Parma had to meet Genoa's demands on the Toszer deal, would it not have been more straightforward for Watford simply to have met Genoa's demands themselves? That way the Udinese - Parma deal for the other player would have been left clean whereas presumably now Udinese are in Parma's debt which surely affects their negotiating position on the deal for the other player. At the end of the day I don't really care as we've got the player we want but there must be more to it than this...
I don't think anyone cares. I actually like the fact other teams mangers\fans will be moaning about it
[quote][p][bold]harryhornet[/bold] wrote: I might be looking at this too simply but if the fee Parma will pay for the Udinese player is to be adjusted to account for the fact that Parma had to meet Genoa's demands on the Toszer deal, would it not have been more straightforward for Watford simply to have met Genoa's demands themselves? That way the Udinese - Parma deal for the other player would have been left clean whereas presumably now Udinese are in Parma's debt which surely affects their negotiating position on the deal for the other player. At the end of the day I don't really care as we've got the player we want but there must be more to it than this...[/p][/quote]I don't think anyone cares. I actually like the fact other teams mangers\fans will be moaning about it GarstonHorn
  • Score: 13

9:28am Wed 9 Jul 14

JimBob1 says...

harryhornet wrote:
I might be looking at this too simply but if the fee Parma will pay for the Udinese player is to be adjusted to account for the fact that Parma had to meet Genoa's demands on the Toszer deal, would it not have been more straightforward for Watford simply to have met Genoa's demands themselves? That way the Udinese - Parma deal for the other player would have been left clean whereas presumably now Udinese are in Parma's debt which surely affects their negotiating position on the deal for the other player. At the end of the day I don't really care as we've got the player we want but there must be more to it than this...
I presume Genoa's demands of Parma were less than they were of the Pozzo's otherwise you're right it would make no sense. Genoa actually got a player p/ex from Parma in the deal too so I imagine Parma benefitted by shifting a player they didn't want off of their wage bill. Everyone's a winner!
[quote][p][bold]harryhornet[/bold] wrote: I might be looking at this too simply but if the fee Parma will pay for the Udinese player is to be adjusted to account for the fact that Parma had to meet Genoa's demands on the Toszer deal, would it not have been more straightforward for Watford simply to have met Genoa's demands themselves? That way the Udinese - Parma deal for the other player would have been left clean whereas presumably now Udinese are in Parma's debt which surely affects their negotiating position on the deal for the other player. At the end of the day I don't really care as we've got the player we want but there must be more to it than this...[/p][/quote]I presume Genoa's demands of Parma were less than they were of the Pozzo's otherwise you're right it would make no sense. Genoa actually got a player p/ex from Parma in the deal too so I imagine Parma benefitted by shifting a player they didn't want off of their wage bill. Everyone's a winner! JimBob1
  • Score: 8

10:05am Wed 9 Jul 14

Abbotshorn says...

Now Hollohead, repeat it back to me so i know that you understand..
Now Hollohead, repeat it back to me so i know that you understand.. Abbotshorn
  • Score: 13

11:13am Wed 9 Jul 14

Letsalldothecongaforbrittassombalonga says...

endean2 wrote:
can not wait to hear Hollowheads comments at the breakfast table this
morning and our friend from the Mail!
spitting chips I would imagine
I imagine he will be!
Lets be honest though his blind ignorance and hideous visage will never stop him having an opinion on anything. As for that fat t**d that writes for that racist rag- his opinion means nothing to me and I genuinely think he is an average sports writer at best.
What more encouragement can Troy need to stay now? Sod the Pozzo wage structure, we need him and he deserves a pay-rise.
Just give us one more bite at the apple Troy, third times the charm!
:) COYHs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!
[quote][p][bold]endean2[/bold] wrote: can not wait to hear Hollowheads comments at the breakfast table this morning and our friend from the Mail! spitting chips I would imagine[/p][/quote]I imagine he will be! Lets be honest though his blind ignorance and hideous visage will never stop him having an opinion on anything. As for that fat t**d that writes for that racist rag- his opinion means nothing to me and I genuinely think he is an average sports writer at best. What more encouragement can Troy need to stay now? Sod the Pozzo wage structure, we need him and he deserves a pay-rise. Just give us one more bite at the apple Troy, third times the charm! :) COYHs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ! Letsalldothecongaforbrittassombalonga
  • Score: 9

12:01pm Wed 9 Jul 14

Harry's Bar says...

Letsalldothecongafor
brittassombalonga
wrote:
endean2 wrote:
can not wait to hear Hollowheads comments at the breakfast table this
morning and our friend from the Mail!
spitting chips I would imagine
I imagine he will be!
Lets be honest though his blind ignorance and hideous visage will never stop him having an opinion on anything. As for that fat t**d that writes for that racist rag- his opinion means nothing to me and I genuinely think he is an average sports writer at best.
What more encouragement can Troy need to stay now? Sod the Pozzo wage structure, we need him and he deserves a pay-rise.
Just give us one more bite at the apple Troy, third times the charm!
:) COYHs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!
Let's be honest, that outburst from Holloway was really just mind games, engendering a sense that "everything is unfairly stacked against us" and from there "let's pull together and overcome it".
[quote][p][bold]Letsalldothecongafor brittassombalonga[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]endean2[/bold] wrote: can not wait to hear Hollowheads comments at the breakfast table this morning and our friend from the Mail! spitting chips I would imagine[/p][/quote]I imagine he will be! Lets be honest though his blind ignorance and hideous visage will never stop him having an opinion on anything. As for that fat t**d that writes for that racist rag- his opinion means nothing to me and I genuinely think he is an average sports writer at best. What more encouragement can Troy need to stay now? Sod the Pozzo wage structure, we need him and he deserves a pay-rise. Just give us one more bite at the apple Troy, third times the charm! :) COYHs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ![/p][/quote]Let's be honest, that outburst from Holloway was really just mind games, engendering a sense that "everything is unfairly stacked against us" and from there "let's pull together and overcome it". Harry's Bar
  • Score: 4

12:27pm Wed 9 Jul 14

Letsalldothecongaforbrittassombalonga says...

Harry's Bar wrote:
Letsalldothecongafor

brittassombalonga
wrote:
endean2 wrote:
can not wait to hear Hollowheads comments at the breakfast table this
morning and our friend from the Mail!
spitting chips I would imagine
I imagine he will be!
Lets be honest though his blind ignorance and hideous visage will never stop him having an opinion on anything. As for that fat t**d that writes for that racist rag- his opinion means nothing to me and I genuinely think he is an average sports writer at best.
What more encouragement can Troy need to stay now? Sod the Pozzo wage structure, we need him and he deserves a pay-rise.
Just give us one more bite at the apple Troy, third times the charm!
:) COYHs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


!
Let's be honest, that outburst from Holloway was really just mind games, engendering a sense that "everything is unfairly stacked against us" and from there "let's pull together and overcome it".
True but it started an anti-Watford vibe that was extremely frustrating as all my Man U and Liverpool supporting friends (born and bred in the South West) who only really knew the name of Watford then said that we were a bunch of cheats.
If you have a media platform you should use it from a wise, measured but most importantly informed perspective.
That ignorant Bristolian gargoyle needs to check his facts. He is now, however at the perfect club for his talents. A club where being moron is a pre-requisite and displaying his high levels of thickness will surely earn him the keys to the **** (sic) ;)
[quote][p][bold]Harry's Bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Letsalldothecongafor brittassombalonga[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]endean2[/bold] wrote: can not wait to hear Hollowheads comments at the breakfast table this morning and our friend from the Mail! spitting chips I would imagine[/p][/quote]I imagine he will be! Lets be honest though his blind ignorance and hideous visage will never stop him having an opinion on anything. As for that fat t**d that writes for that racist rag- his opinion means nothing to me and I genuinely think he is an average sports writer at best. What more encouragement can Troy need to stay now? Sod the Pozzo wage structure, we need him and he deserves a pay-rise. Just give us one more bite at the apple Troy, third times the charm! :) COYHs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ![/p][/quote]Let's be honest, that outburst from Holloway was really just mind games, engendering a sense that "everything is unfairly stacked against us" and from there "let's pull together and overcome it".[/p][/quote]True but it started an anti-Watford vibe that was extremely frustrating as all my Man U and Liverpool supporting friends (born and bred in the South West) who only really knew the name of Watford then said that we were a bunch of cheats. If you have a media platform you should use it from a wise, measured but most importantly informed perspective. That ignorant Bristolian gargoyle needs to check his facts. He is now, however at the perfect club for his talents. A club where being moron is a pre-requisite and displaying his high levels of thickness will surely earn him the keys to the **** (sic) ;) Letsalldothecongaforbrittassombalonga
  • Score: 4

12:31pm Wed 9 Jul 14

Gusthehorn says...

Pozzo's Out!
Pozzo's Out! Gusthehorn
  • Score: -7

12:32pm Wed 9 Jul 14

Mickey Quinn, not so thin says...

Great news re Toszer. Just a tiny word of caution. while pushing the boundaries on these deals to get round various rules/limits/tax saving etc is very clever, remember these are the guys who did something very clever with Tevez and Mascherano for west ham and nearly got themselves and the club burnt.
Great news re Toszer. Just a tiny word of caution. while pushing the boundaries on these deals to get round various rules/limits/tax saving etc is very clever, remember these are the guys who did something very clever with Tevez and Mascherano for west ham and nearly got themselves and the club burnt. Mickey Quinn, not so thin
  • Score: -5

12:37pm Wed 9 Jul 14

Hornet63 says...

We must never take for granted just how fortunate we are to have the Pozzos as our owners.....without them this "transfer" and many other players would not be with us.
A special Pozzo song MUST be composed for the new season....any volunteers?
We must never take for granted just how fortunate we are to have the Pozzos as our owners.....without them this "transfer" and many other players would not be with us. A special Pozzo song MUST be composed for the new season....any volunteers? Hornet63
  • Score: 10

12:42pm Wed 9 Jul 14

dusty1991 says...

a very clever way to comply with financial fair play perhaps? doubt we're in any trouble but a championship club cannot make a loss greater than £3mill in a season and with the East stand being built and other unknown fees, this could be a very, very clever move, especially if Genoa wanted £2mill+ for Tozser and we have no intention of selling Deeney. Udinese undoubtedly make a lot more money than Watford, even aside from transfers, so better them to take the hit than us. Especially with Cuadrado looking to leave for a big team like Arsenal, Fiorentia etc.
a very clever way to comply with financial fair play perhaps? doubt we're in any trouble but a championship club cannot make a loss greater than £3mill in a season and with the East stand being built and other unknown fees, this could be a very, very clever move, especially if Genoa wanted £2mill+ for Tozser and we have no intention of selling Deeney. Udinese undoubtedly make a lot more money than Watford, even aside from transfers, so better them to take the hit than us. Especially with Cuadrado looking to leave for a big team like Arsenal, Fiorentia etc. dusty1991
  • Score: 2

1:12pm Wed 9 Jul 14

Ronny oh Ronny Ronny says...

Hornet63 wrote:
We must never take for granted just how fortunate we are to have the Pozzos as our owners.....without them this "transfer" and many other players would not be with us.
A special Pozzo song MUST be composed for the new season....any volunteers?
Has to be to the tune of Mrs Robinson...
"here's to you Mr Pozzo,
Watford loves you more than you will know"
[quote][p][bold]Hornet63[/bold] wrote: We must never take for granted just how fortunate we are to have the Pozzos as our owners.....without them this "transfer" and many other players would not be with us. A special Pozzo song MUST be composed for the new season....any volunteers?[/p][/quote]Has to be to the tune of Mrs Robinson... "here's to you Mr Pozzo, Watford loves you more than you will know" Ronny oh Ronny Ronny
  • Score: 5

1:23pm Wed 9 Jul 14

1watford says...

Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:
Great news re Toszer. Just a tiny word of caution. while pushing the boundaries on these deals to get round various rules/limits/tax saving etc is very clever, remember these are the guys who did something very clever with Tevez and Mascherano for west ham and nearly got themselves and the club burnt.
.....RE: Tevez.... Nani/Duxberry @ West Ham....NOT the Pozzo's....
I'm sure Duxberry would have learn't...not so sure about Nani tbh, saying that Pozzo's would not take such a risk
[quote][p][bold]Mickey Quinn, not so thin[/bold] wrote: Great news re Toszer. Just a tiny word of caution. while pushing the boundaries on these deals to get round various rules/limits/tax saving etc is very clever, remember these are the guys who did something very clever with Tevez and Mascherano for west ham and nearly got themselves and the club burnt.[/p][/quote].....RE: Tevez.... Nani/Duxberry @ West Ham....NOT the Pozzo's.... I'm sure Duxberry would have learn't...not so sure about Nani tbh, saying that Pozzo's would not take such a risk 1watford
  • Score: 4

3:56pm Wed 9 Jul 14

exeterhornet says...

Mickyquinn,
I'm with you in that whilst I am delighted at the deal, we should be careful. The deal is obviously within the rules but the FA and Football league are vindictive b......s and if the tat one at the Mail starts spewing bile and stirring things up the authorities will perceive us as being too clever by half, bending rules etc and will be out to get us. Don't expect our penalty situation to improve next season
Mickyquinn, I'm with you in that whilst I am delighted at the deal, we should be careful. The deal is obviously within the rules but the FA and Football league are vindictive b......s and if the tat one at the Mail starts spewing bile and stirring things up the authorities will perceive us as being too clever by half, bending rules etc and will be out to get us. Don't expect our penalty situation to improve next season exeterhornet
  • Score: 0

4:13pm Wed 9 Jul 14

bryan the hornet says...

There's no doubt that the Pozzo's mean business, new stand and a team designed for the Premier push. Most confident that I have ever been as a Hornets fan and I have been a fan for 50 years plus
There's no doubt that the Pozzo's mean business, new stand and a team designed for the Premier push. Most confident that I have ever been as a Hornets fan and I have been a fan for 50 years plus bryan the hornet
  • Score: 5

9:33pm Wed 9 Jul 14

1234566789 says...

dusty1991 wrote:
a very clever way to comply with financial fair play perhaps? doubt we're in any trouble but a championship club cannot make a loss greater than £3mill in a season and with the East stand being built and other unknown fees, this could be a very, very clever move, especially if Genoa wanted £2mill+ for Tozser and we have no intention of selling Deeney. Udinese undoubtedly make a lot more money than Watford, even aside from transfers, so better them to take the hit than us. Especially with Cuadrado looking to leave for a big team like Arsenal, Fiorentia etc.
Bang on. Watford couldn't afford to pay his transfer fee so got Udinese to do it without breaking any rules. Very clever and will annoy some people (if they ever find out about it) but who cares?! Also suggests to me that they don't think Deeney will be sold as otherwise Toszer's fee would easily have been met
[quote][p][bold]dusty1991[/bold] wrote: a very clever way to comply with financial fair play perhaps? doubt we're in any trouble but a championship club cannot make a loss greater than £3mill in a season and with the East stand being built and other unknown fees, this could be a very, very clever move, especially if Genoa wanted £2mill+ for Tozser and we have no intention of selling Deeney. Udinese undoubtedly make a lot more money than Watford, even aside from transfers, so better them to take the hit than us. Especially with Cuadrado looking to leave for a big team like Arsenal, Fiorentia etc.[/p][/quote]Bang on. Watford couldn't afford to pay his transfer fee so got Udinese to do it without breaking any rules. Very clever and will annoy some people (if they ever find out about it) but who cares?! Also suggests to me that they don't think Deeney will be sold as otherwise Toszer's fee would easily have been met 1234566789
  • Score: 5

11:11pm Wed 9 Jul 14

Denzil D says...

dusty1991 wrote:
a very clever way to comply with financial fair play perhaps? doubt we're in any trouble but a championship club cannot make a loss greater than £3mill in a season and with the East stand being built and other unknown fees, this could be a very, very clever move, especially if Genoa wanted £2mill+ for Tozser and we have no intention of selling Deeney. Udinese undoubtedly make a lot more money than Watford, even aside from transfers, so better them to take the hit than us. Especially with Cuadrado looking to leave for a big team like Arsenal, Fiorentia etc.
Not sure it's a deal motivated by FFP... it just works in the interests of all the 4 clubs involved. In any case, capital expenditure is exempt from the FFP calculation.
I am also feeling more confident TD will stay, as looks like no one will meet the Pozzos valuation of the player and that our Troy will not agitate for a move.
[quote][p][bold]dusty1991[/bold] wrote: a very clever way to comply with financial fair play perhaps? doubt we're in any trouble but a championship club cannot make a loss greater than £3mill in a season and with the East stand being built and other unknown fees, this could be a very, very clever move, especially if Genoa wanted £2mill+ for Tozser and we have no intention of selling Deeney. Udinese undoubtedly make a lot more money than Watford, even aside from transfers, so better them to take the hit than us. Especially with Cuadrado looking to leave for a big team like Arsenal, Fiorentia etc.[/p][/quote]Not sure it's a deal motivated by FFP... it just works in the interests of all the 4 clubs involved. In any case, capital expenditure is exempt from the FFP calculation. I am also feeling more confident TD will stay, as looks like no one will meet the Pozzos valuation of the player and that our Troy will not agitate for a move. Denzil D
  • Score: 0

1:01am Thu 10 Jul 14

berkshire orn says...

I agree with these deals keep it up Mr Pozzo we have scores to settle Crystal palace and leicester City just to name two come on you horns
I agree with these deals keep it up Mr Pozzo we have scores to settle Crystal palace and leicester City just to name two come on you horns berkshire orn
  • Score: 1

8:52am Thu 10 Jul 14

1234566789 says...

Denzil D wrote:
dusty1991 wrote:
a very clever way to comply with financial fair play perhaps? doubt we're in any trouble but a championship club cannot make a loss greater than £3mill in a season and with the East stand being built and other unknown fees, this could be a very, very clever move, especially if Genoa wanted £2mill+ for Tozser and we have no intention of selling Deeney. Udinese undoubtedly make a lot more money than Watford, even aside from transfers, so better them to take the hit than us. Especially with Cuadrado looking to leave for a big team like Arsenal, Fiorentia etc.
Not sure it's a deal motivated by FFP... it just works in the interests of all the 4 clubs involved. In any case, capital expenditure is exempt from the FFP calculation.
I am also feeling more confident TD will stay, as looks like no one will meet the Pozzos valuation of the player and that our Troy will not agitate for a move.
If that's the case, how does it work for Udinese in any way? Surely they get a bum deal as they receive a lower fee for their player.
[quote][p][bold]Denzil D[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dusty1991[/bold] wrote: a very clever way to comply with financial fair play perhaps? doubt we're in any trouble but a championship club cannot make a loss greater than £3mill in a season and with the East stand being built and other unknown fees, this could be a very, very clever move, especially if Genoa wanted £2mill+ for Tozser and we have no intention of selling Deeney. Udinese undoubtedly make a lot more money than Watford, even aside from transfers, so better them to take the hit than us. Especially with Cuadrado looking to leave for a big team like Arsenal, Fiorentia etc.[/p][/quote]Not sure it's a deal motivated by FFP... it just works in the interests of all the 4 clubs involved. In any case, capital expenditure is exempt from the FFP calculation. I am also feeling more confident TD will stay, as looks like no one will meet the Pozzos valuation of the player and that our Troy will not agitate for a move.[/p][/quote]If that's the case, how does it work for Udinese in any way? Surely they get a bum deal as they receive a lower fee for their player. 1234566789
  • Score: 1

9:13am Thu 10 Jul 14

Harry's Bar says...

Ronny oh Ronny Ronny wrote:
Hornet63 wrote:
We must never take for granted just how fortunate we are to have the Pozzos as our owners.....without them this "transfer" and many other players would not be with us.
A special Pozzo song MUST be composed for the new season....any volunteers?
Has to be to the tune of Mrs Robinson...
"here's to you Mr Pozzo,
Watford loves you more than you will know"
Heartfelt thanks to the Pozzo's but I found that a bit embarrassing It was probably only me though.
[quote][p][bold]Ronny oh Ronny Ronny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hornet63[/bold] wrote: We must never take for granted just how fortunate we are to have the Pozzos as our owners.....without them this "transfer" and many other players would not be with us. A special Pozzo song MUST be composed for the new season....any volunteers?[/p][/quote]Has to be to the tune of Mrs Robinson... "here's to you Mr Pozzo, Watford loves you more than you will know"[/p][/quote]Heartfelt thanks to the Pozzo's but I found that a bit embarrassing It was probably only me though. Harry's Bar
  • Score: 0

10:00am Thu 10 Jul 14

Denzil D says...

1234566789 wrote:
Denzil D wrote:
dusty1991 wrote: a very clever way to comply with financial fair play perhaps? doubt we're in any trouble but a championship club cannot make a loss greater than £3mill in a season and with the East stand being built and other unknown fees, this could be a very, very clever move, especially if Genoa wanted £2mill+ for Tozser and we have no intention of selling Deeney. Udinese undoubtedly make a lot more money than Watford, even aside from transfers, so better them to take the hit than us. Especially with Cuadrado looking to leave for a big team like Arsenal, Fiorentia etc.
Not sure it's a deal motivated by FFP... it just works in the interests of all the 4 clubs involved. In any case, capital expenditure is exempt from the FFP calculation. I am also feeling more confident TD will stay, as looks like no one will meet the Pozzos valuation of the player and that our Troy will not agitate for a move.
If that's the case, how does it work for Udinese in any way? Surely they get a bum deal as they receive a lower fee for their player.
I guess only because Udinese stand to gain if we go up, so getting Tozser for us is in their interests too...
[quote][p][bold]1234566789[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Denzil D[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dusty1991[/bold] wrote: a very clever way to comply with financial fair play perhaps? doubt we're in any trouble but a championship club cannot make a loss greater than £3mill in a season and with the East stand being built and other unknown fees, this could be a very, very clever move, especially if Genoa wanted £2mill+ for Tozser and we have no intention of selling Deeney. Udinese undoubtedly make a lot more money than Watford, even aside from transfers, so better them to take the hit than us. Especially with Cuadrado looking to leave for a big team like Arsenal, Fiorentia etc.[/p][/quote]Not sure it's a deal motivated by FFP... it just works in the interests of all the 4 clubs involved. In any case, capital expenditure is exempt from the FFP calculation. I am also feeling more confident TD will stay, as looks like no one will meet the Pozzos valuation of the player and that our Troy will not agitate for a move.[/p][/quote]If that's the case, how does it work for Udinese in any way? Surely they get a bum deal as they receive a lower fee for their player.[/p][/quote]I guess only because Udinese stand to gain if we go up, so getting Tozser for us is in their interests too... Denzil D
  • Score: 0

11:05am Thu 10 Jul 14

1234566789 says...

Denzil D wrote:
1234566789 wrote:
Denzil D wrote:
dusty1991 wrote: a very clever way to comply with financial fair play perhaps? doubt we're in any trouble but a championship club cannot make a loss greater than £3mill in a season and with the East stand being built and other unknown fees, this could be a very, very clever move, especially if Genoa wanted £2mill+ for Tozser and we have no intention of selling Deeney. Udinese undoubtedly make a lot more money than Watford, even aside from transfers, so better them to take the hit than us. Especially with Cuadrado looking to leave for a big team like Arsenal, Fiorentia etc.
Not sure it's a deal motivated by FFP... it just works in the interests of all the 4 clubs involved. In any case, capital expenditure is exempt from the FFP calculation. I am also feeling more confident TD will stay, as looks like no one will meet the Pozzos valuation of the player and that our Troy will not agitate for a move.
If that's the case, how does it work for Udinese in any way? Surely they get a bum deal as they receive a lower fee for their player.
I guess only because Udinese stand to gain if we go up, so getting Tozser for us is in their interests too...
That would mean the Pozzos gain, but not Udinese as a football club. Not really anyway. I think it has to be to do with FFP, otherwise we would have just bought him outright and Udinese would sell to Parma as normal.
[quote][p][bold]Denzil D[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]1234566789[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Denzil D[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dusty1991[/bold] wrote: a very clever way to comply with financial fair play perhaps? doubt we're in any trouble but a championship club cannot make a loss greater than £3mill in a season and with the East stand being built and other unknown fees, this could be a very, very clever move, especially if Genoa wanted £2mill+ for Tozser and we have no intention of selling Deeney. Udinese undoubtedly make a lot more money than Watford, even aside from transfers, so better them to take the hit than us. Especially with Cuadrado looking to leave for a big team like Arsenal, Fiorentia etc.[/p][/quote]Not sure it's a deal motivated by FFP... it just works in the interests of all the 4 clubs involved. In any case, capital expenditure is exempt from the FFP calculation. I am also feeling more confident TD will stay, as looks like no one will meet the Pozzos valuation of the player and that our Troy will not agitate for a move.[/p][/quote]If that's the case, how does it work for Udinese in any way? Surely they get a bum deal as they receive a lower fee for their player.[/p][/quote]I guess only because Udinese stand to gain if we go up, so getting Tozser for us is in their interests too...[/p][/quote]That would mean the Pozzos gain, but not Udinese as a football club. Not really anyway. I think it has to be to do with FFP, otherwise we would have just bought him outright and Udinese would sell to Parma as normal. 1234566789
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4:36pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Denzil D says...

1234566789 wrote:
Denzil D wrote:
1234566789 wrote:
Denzil D wrote:
dusty1991 wrote: a very clever way to comply with financial fair play perhaps? doubt we're in any trouble but a championship club cannot make a loss greater than £3mill in a season and with the East stand being built and other unknown fees, this could be a very, very clever move, especially if Genoa wanted £2mill+ for Tozser and we have no intention of selling Deeney. Udinese undoubtedly make a lot more money than Watford, even aside from transfers, so better them to take the hit than us. Especially with Cuadrado looking to leave for a big team like Arsenal, Fiorentia etc.
Not sure it's a deal motivated by FFP... it just works in the interests of all the 4 clubs involved. In any case, capital expenditure is exempt from the FFP calculation. I am also feeling more confident TD will stay, as looks like no one will meet the Pozzos valuation of the player and that our Troy will not agitate for a move.
If that's the case, how does it work for Udinese in any way? Surely they get a bum deal as they receive a lower fee for their player.
I guess only because Udinese stand to gain if we go up, so getting Tozser for us is in their interests too...
That would mean the Pozzos gain, but not Udinese as a football club. Not really anyway. I think it has to be to do with FFP, otherwise we would have just bought him outright and Udinese would sell to Parma as normal.
I understood we tried to buy him outright but failed because each of Genoa, Parma and Udinese had something extra to gain by not simply selling their player outright:
Genoa want Rosi from Parma
Parma want someone from Udinese
We want Tozser from Genoa
So Genoa can use Tozser to get Rosi; Parma can then use Tozser to get the Udinese player; Udinese can get their sister club the player they want by selling to Parma.

We've already seen how easy it is to move assets around the Pozzo group so the fact Udinese FC 'lose out' on the deal is not important.
FFP shouldn't be an issue for thr Pozzo group as the business model's
success isn't achieved through large debts/losses.
[quote][p][bold]1234566789[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Denzil D[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]1234566789[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Denzil D[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dusty1991[/bold] wrote: a very clever way to comply with financial fair play perhaps? doubt we're in any trouble but a championship club cannot make a loss greater than £3mill in a season and with the East stand being built and other unknown fees, this could be a very, very clever move, especially if Genoa wanted £2mill+ for Tozser and we have no intention of selling Deeney. Udinese undoubtedly make a lot more money than Watford, even aside from transfers, so better them to take the hit than us. Especially with Cuadrado looking to leave for a big team like Arsenal, Fiorentia etc.[/p][/quote]Not sure it's a deal motivated by FFP... it just works in the interests of all the 4 clubs involved. In any case, capital expenditure is exempt from the FFP calculation. I am also feeling more confident TD will stay, as looks like no one will meet the Pozzos valuation of the player and that our Troy will not agitate for a move.[/p][/quote]If that's the case, how does it work for Udinese in any way? Surely they get a bum deal as they receive a lower fee for their player.[/p][/quote]I guess only because Udinese stand to gain if we go up, so getting Tozser for us is in their interests too...[/p][/quote]That would mean the Pozzos gain, but not Udinese as a football club. Not really anyway. I think it has to be to do with FFP, otherwise we would have just bought him outright and Udinese would sell to Parma as normal.[/p][/quote]I understood we tried to buy him outright but failed because each of Genoa, Parma and Udinese had something extra to gain by not simply selling their player outright: Genoa want Rosi from Parma Parma want someone from Udinese We want Tozser from Genoa So Genoa can use Tozser to get Rosi; Parma can then use Tozser to get the Udinese player; Udinese can get their sister club the player they want by selling to Parma. We've already seen how easy it is to move assets around the Pozzo group so the fact Udinese FC 'lose out' on the deal is not important. FFP shouldn't be an issue for thr Pozzo group as the business model's success isn't achieved through large debts/losses. Denzil D
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6:14pm Sun 13 Jul 14

dusty1991 says...

Denzil D wrote:
1234566789 wrote:
Denzil D wrote:
1234566789 wrote:
Denzil D wrote:
dusty1991 wrote: a very clever way to comply with financial fair play perhaps? doubt we're in any trouble but a championship club cannot make a loss greater than £3mill in a season and with the East stand being built and other unknown fees, this could be a very, very clever move, especially if Genoa wanted £2mill+ for Tozser and we have no intention of selling Deeney. Udinese undoubtedly make a lot more money than Watford, even aside from transfers, so better them to take the hit than us. Especially with Cuadrado looking to leave for a big team like Arsenal, Fiorentia etc.
Not sure it's a deal motivated by FFP... it just works in the interests of all the 4 clubs involved. In any case, capital expenditure is exempt from the FFP calculation. I am also feeling more confident TD will stay, as looks like no one will meet the Pozzos valuation of the player and that our Troy will not agitate for a move.
If that's the case, how does it work for Udinese in any way? Surely they get a bum deal as they receive a lower fee for their player.
I guess only because Udinese stand to gain if we go up, so getting Tozser for us is in their interests too...
That would mean the Pozzos gain, but not Udinese as a football club. Not really anyway. I think it has to be to do with FFP, otherwise we would have just bought him outright and Udinese would sell to Parma as normal.
I understood we tried to buy him outright but failed because each of Genoa, Parma and Udinese had something extra to gain by not simply selling their player outright:
Genoa want Rosi from Parma
Parma want someone from Udinese
We want Tozser from Genoa
So Genoa can use Tozser to get Rosi; Parma can then use Tozser to get the Udinese player; Udinese can get their sister club the player they want by selling to Parma.

We've already seen how easy it is to move assets around the Pozzo group so the fact Udinese FC 'lose out' on the deal is not important.
FFP shouldn't be an issue for thr Pozzo group as the business model's
success isn't achieved through large debts/losses.
Granted, but Watford weren't picked up by the Pozzo's in the best financial state. I wouldn't be surprised if the Pozzo's are slowly but surely paying off the debts of years before. We haven't sold any players and football teams within the championship don't typically make a profit through ticket sales, competitions (unless you get promoted). Granted that within FFP an owner can inject capital, but THAT is not within the Pozzo business model. So although it may not be the sole reason for the way they've done this deal in this way, it certainly is a huge bonus for Watford and FFP standards.
[quote][p][bold]Denzil D[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]1234566789[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Denzil D[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]1234566789[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Denzil D[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dusty1991[/bold] wrote: a very clever way to comply with financial fair play perhaps? doubt we're in any trouble but a championship club cannot make a loss greater than £3mill in a season and with the East stand being built and other unknown fees, this could be a very, very clever move, especially if Genoa wanted £2mill+ for Tozser and we have no intention of selling Deeney. Udinese undoubtedly make a lot more money than Watford, even aside from transfers, so better them to take the hit than us. Especially with Cuadrado looking to leave for a big team like Arsenal, Fiorentia etc.[/p][/quote]Not sure it's a deal motivated by FFP... it just works in the interests of all the 4 clubs involved. In any case, capital expenditure is exempt from the FFP calculation. I am also feeling more confident TD will stay, as looks like no one will meet the Pozzos valuation of the player and that our Troy will not agitate for a move.[/p][/quote]If that's the case, how does it work for Udinese in any way? Surely they get a bum deal as they receive a lower fee for their player.[/p][/quote]I guess only because Udinese stand to gain if we go up, so getting Tozser for us is in their interests too...[/p][/quote]That would mean the Pozzos gain, but not Udinese as a football club. Not really anyway. I think it has to be to do with FFP, otherwise we would have just bought him outright and Udinese would sell to Parma as normal.[/p][/quote]I understood we tried to buy him outright but failed because each of Genoa, Parma and Udinese had something extra to gain by not simply selling their player outright: Genoa want Rosi from Parma Parma want someone from Udinese We want Tozser from Genoa So Genoa can use Tozser to get Rosi; Parma can then use Tozser to get the Udinese player; Udinese can get their sister club the player they want by selling to Parma. We've already seen how easy it is to move assets around the Pozzo group so the fact Udinese FC 'lose out' on the deal is not important. FFP shouldn't be an issue for thr Pozzo group as the business model's success isn't achieved through large debts/losses.[/p][/quote]Granted, but Watford weren't picked up by the Pozzo's in the best financial state. I wouldn't be surprised if the Pozzo's are slowly but surely paying off the debts of years before. We haven't sold any players and football teams within the championship don't typically make a profit through ticket sales, competitions (unless you get promoted). Granted that within FFP an owner can inject capital, but THAT is not within the Pozzo business model. So although it may not be the sole reason for the way they've done this deal in this way, it certainly is a huge bonus for Watford and FFP standards. dusty1991
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