COMMENT: Criticism of Pozzos not spending money at Watford is ridiculous

Watford Observer: COMMENT: Criticism of Pozzos not spending money is ridiculous COMMENT: Criticism of Pozzos not spending money is ridiculous

A criticism I have heard increasingly this summer from a small section of Watford fans, which in truth is starting to grate on me, relates to the Pozzos not spending a penny on transfers since their arrival at Watford. It is ridiculous.

Some supporters it seems want the Pozzos to splash the cash on potential transfer targets this summer.

The additions of international footballers like Matej Vydra, Daniel Tozser and Heurelho Gomes are not enough it seems.

One of the main problems last season was the need for players who know the Championship and English football. That has been addressed this summer as every one of the club’s signings, apart from the pending arrival of Juan Carlos Paredes, have experience of playing in English football’s top two divisions. A box ticked.

Another issue last time around was the number of additions and upheaval to the squad. The club have only made six signings this summer, one of those is Tozser remaining, and the club are only planning another four including Paredes. Another box ticked.

Watford lacked a pacey striker during the 2013/14 season. They struggled in the holding midfield role for a while. They needed a new goalkeeper and several of the club’s defenders left the club. All of those have been addressed. Third box ticked.

So it brings me back to my initial point and the criticism of the Pozzos ‘not spending a penny’ on transfers since they joined the club.

Firstly, why would a club spend money on players if they do not have to? The return of Tozser and Vydra have been via loan agreements with the view to permanent moves and the other signings have been free transfers.

But more importantly, the claim the Pozzos have not spent any money on transfers since they took over Watford is not true either.

Yes the chequebook donning the WFC crest has not been used in negotiations but the likes of Gabriele Angella, Almen Abdi and Fernando Forestieri do not grow on trees, well not as far as I am aware.

Most of the signings from Udinese or Granada have cost the family money at some point. Even those signed on free transfers will still have cost signing on fees and have wages which need paying.

Angella, Abdi, Forestieri, Vydra and Tozser et al are worth millions of pounds in the transfer market. If Abdi had played for a non-Pozzo club and Watford wanted to sign him it would have cost them millions. There are 23 clubs in the Championship and some in the Premier League who would love to have the midfield maestro in their squad.

But he isn’t. He is Watford’s.

The fact he was transferred to Hertfordshire in a deal which did not cost a penny should be of great satisfaction to supporters. Not a criticism of the club’s management.

Would Hornets followers rather have Vydra on loan or not at all next season?

Fulham have just spent several million pounds on Leeds United’s Ross McCormack in a deal which could reach £11m if the club secure promotion and all the clauses are activated. Personally, I’d rather have Vydra on loan for the season and hope his goals fire the club to promotion, which may lead to the deal being made permanent.

If Fulham don’t go up, they will have spent millions on a striker who was unable to recover his price tag. If Watford don’t go up, Vydra finds another club and the Hornets look at alternatives from their large pool of players. But crucially the club remains on a sound financial footing.

The Pozzo model is different. It takes a while to get used to. And as a purist who, in an ideal world, would love to see all players play for their local clubs and grow up supporting those teams, I can understand why it doesn’t sit well with some fans and pundits.

But we don’t live in an ideal world. Football is not fair and the playing field is not balanced. When the Golden Boys narrowly missed out on automatic promotion in 2013 Hull City made a loss of £25.6m that season and it was £30.9m for champions Cardiff City.

In my opinion, that isn’t fair for those who try to be self-sufficient.

Watford have had several financial scares in recent memory and the club’s future is more important than promotion to the Premier League.

The Pozzos are not risking the Hornets’ future and they are still creating a squad capable of challenging for promotion. So why should they spend big in the transfer market?

The players listed above could all have been sold by Udinese. But they weren’t. The Pozzos gave them to Watford for free.

So whilst the Italian family have yet to spend a penny on a signing at the English club, they have given fans a squad worth tens of millions of pounds.

And it is a win-win situation for all parties.

Watford assemble a squad capable of challenging at the top of the table for free, players not part of the Italian club’s plans have the chance to secure regular football, in England, and Udinese are able to reduce their wage bill and limit the risk of unhappy players affecting the morale in their squad.

And for the Pozzos, they boost their chances of securing the lottery win that is Premier League football and the players’ value in more cases than not increases in the process.

Of course sometimes it doesn’t work, but the success rate at Watford has been high so far.

There are question marks; for example why players have been signing for Granada or Udinese before joining Watford on loan. Is it for tax reasons? Or work permits? I’m not sure to be honest but does it matter really come 3pm on a Saturday? Or when your son or daughter go into school on a Monday morning discussing Vydra’s goal at the weekend or Forestieri’s skill?

Watford owner Gino Pozzo has worked tirelessly this summer and landed his top two targets in Vydra and Tozser.

People around the club can not speak highly enough of the Harvard University graduate and the Hornets are reaping the benefit of his knowledge of Italian football and extensive contacts book.

The links with Udinese and Granada means he knows which players at those clubs, and others in Italy and Spain, are unhappy or are not part of the plans at their respective sides.

He uses this knowledge and access to attract and sign players who two years ago would have been out of the club’s reach.

The Hornets will be making a strong push for automatic promotion this season. But if it doesn’t happen, then try to enjoy the ride because I have the feeling it is only a matter of time with the Pozzos in charge.

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7:44am Mon 14 Jul 14

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[quote][p][bold]Felice Agarcia[/bold] wrote: my Aunty Kayla recently got a stunning gold Audi A6 by working online from home... check this site out -------->>> >> x.co/530Wg[/p][/quote]yep, I've heard the sex trade can really pay if you put in the hours. Might give it a go myself. Banjo
  • Score: 14

7:47am Mon 14 Jul 14

endean2 says...

Felice Agarcia wrote:
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Well reasoned article there, you cannot argue with those comments.

Aunt Kayla, suggest you go and do one.
[quote][p][bold]Felice Agarcia[/bold] wrote: my Aunty Kayla recently got a stunning gold Audi A6 by working online from home... check this site out -------->>> >> x.co/530Wg[/p][/quote]Well reasoned article there, you cannot argue with those comments. Aunt Kayla, suggest you go and do one. endean2
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7:53am Mon 14 Jul 14

SAHornet says...

I enjoyed reading this well laid-out comment from Frank Smith and agree with every word. We are so lucky.
I enjoyed reading this well laid-out comment from Frank Smith and agree with every word. We are so lucky. SAHornet
  • Score: 101

8:06am Mon 14 Jul 14

Gusthehorn says...

Agreed.

No point in spending unnecessarily, finishing the East stand and West corner is a priority. When we get promoted it'll be harder to source premier league class players, that's when the spending will have to happen.
Agreed. No point in spending unnecessarily, finishing the East stand and West corner is a priority. When we get promoted it'll be harder to source premier league class players, that's when the spending will have to happen. Gusthehorn
  • Score: 50

8:21am Mon 14 Jul 14

robo bovingdon says...

Re the Pozzo family here is a thought that should put all the doubters in their place WITHOUT THE POZZO FAMILY we have may well been spending our week ends and tuesday nights watching nothing at the VIC maybe a crook in a silly red hardhat would have been the only entertainment.
Thank you the Pozzo family COME ON YOU HORNS
Re the Pozzo family here is a thought that should put all the doubters in their place WITHOUT THE POZZO FAMILY we have may well been spending our week ends and tuesday nights watching nothing at the VIC maybe a crook in a silly red hardhat would have been the only entertainment. Thank you the Pozzo family COME ON YOU HORNS robo bovingdon
  • Score: 80

8:28am Mon 14 Jul 14

mellow yellow says...

Gusthehorn wrote:
Agreed.

No point in spending unnecessarily, finishing the East stand and West corner is a priority. When we get promoted it'll be harder to source premier league class players, that's when the spending will have to happen.
Fair enough point, but bear in mind we do already have quite a few premier league class players. And several more who may well step up to the mark. Promotion this time will not see us exposed to the degree we were under boothroyd and GT. it may well cause a problem or two for Granada and udinese, however, with some of their players requesting moves to us ;)
[quote][p][bold]Gusthehorn[/bold] wrote: Agreed. No point in spending unnecessarily, finishing the East stand and West corner is a priority. When we get promoted it'll be harder to source premier league class players, that's when the spending will have to happen.[/p][/quote]Fair enough point, but bear in mind we do already have quite a few premier league class players. And several more who may well step up to the mark. Promotion this time will not see us exposed to the degree we were under boothroyd and GT. it may well cause a problem or two for Granada and udinese, however, with some of their players requesting moves to us ;) mellow yellow
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8:30am Mon 14 Jul 14

gary pine says...

assembling a squad worth 10s of millions means nothing ,none of them are used to the nitty gritty style of English football and it shows by goals against red and yellow cards we accumulate and a manager that cant speak English!!
assembling a squad worth 10s of millions means nothing ,none of them are used to the nitty gritty style of English football and it shows by goals against red and yellow cards we accumulate and a manager that cant speak English!! gary pine
  • Score: -181

8:32am Mon 14 Jul 14

Poppet Bear says...

"Only a matter of time with the Pozzo's" I thought they were here for the long term !!!
"Only a matter of time with the Pozzo's" I thought they were here for the long term !!! Poppet Bear
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8:34am Mon 14 Jul 14

Dutch Hornet says...

, then try to enjoy the ride because I have the feeling it is only a matter of time with the Pozzos in charge. - Why did you add this sentence? It was always stated that this is a long term project.
, then try to enjoy the ride because I have the feeling it is only a matter of time with the Pozzos in charge. - Why did you add this sentence? It was always stated that this is a long term project. Dutch Hornet
  • Score: -33

8:38am Mon 14 Jul 14

d.j.smith says...

Brilliant piece Frank. The only downside is that you felt in necessary to state the obvious - a situation that reflects the presence of mindless morons among our support. I can't believe that the people you are responding to represent anything other than a tiny fraction of Watford's fanbase; most of us just cannot believe our luck in having the Pozzos on board. By the way, anyone who has watched Gino Pozzo's interview on the club website must be impressed with the guy's wisdom, commitment and - yes - humility. This family knows football and they have moral principles that are rare in our game today. Thanks for exposing the absurdity of the people you are responding to, but I doubt they justify anymore effort or time.
Brilliant piece Frank. The only downside is that you felt in necessary to state the obvious - a situation that reflects the presence of mindless morons among our support. I can't believe that the people you are responding to represent anything other than a tiny fraction of Watford's fanbase; most of us just cannot believe our luck in having the Pozzos on board. By the way, anyone who has watched Gino Pozzo's interview on the club website must be impressed with the guy's wisdom, commitment and - yes - humility. This family knows football and they have moral principles that are rare in our game today. Thanks for exposing the absurdity of the people you are responding to, but I doubt they justify anymore effort or time. d.j.smith
  • Score: 109

8:54am Mon 14 Jul 14

staticpen2 says...

I think the Only a matter of time comment was in reference to a stay in the premier league.
I think the Only a matter of time comment was in reference to a stay in the premier league. staticpen2
  • Score: 36

9:10am Mon 14 Jul 14

bristol hornet says...

SAHornet wrote:
I enjoyed reading this well laid-out comment from Frank Smith and agree with every word. We are so lucky.
Yet another great article Frank.

You have written some good stuff these past few months.

Keep it up young man.
[quote][p][bold]SAHornet[/bold] wrote: I enjoyed reading this well laid-out comment from Frank Smith and agree with every word. We are so lucky.[/p][/quote]Yet another great article Frank. You have written some good stuff these past few months. Keep it up young man. bristol hornet
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9:31am Mon 14 Jul 14

JohnnyBarnes says...

d.j.smith wrote:
Brilliant piece Frank. The only downside is that you felt in necessary to state the obvious - a situation that reflects the presence of mindless morons among our support. I can't believe that the people you are responding to represent anything other than a tiny fraction of Watford's fanbase; most of us just cannot believe our luck in having the Pozzos on board. By the way, anyone who has watched Gino Pozzo's interview on the club website must be impressed with the guy's wisdom, commitment and - yes - humility. This family knows football and they have moral principles that are rare in our game today. Thanks for exposing the absurdity of the people you are responding to, but I doubt they justify anymore effort or time.
Exactly the point that I was going to make.

This is an article that represents the views of anyone with any intelligence, so wasn't hugely necessary - although is obviously correct.
I fear that the people it's aimed at still won't get the point, but at least you've tried.

I'll be going to Shrewsbury this weekend to see Vydra and Pudil (Czech internationals), Tozser (Hungarian international), Gomes (former Brazilian international), Ekstrand and Ranegie (Swedish internationals), Belkalem (Algerian international), Abdi, Fessi, Angella, Tamas, Lloyd Dyer (won the Championship last year), Murray, Hoban, McGugan, Battocchio... all pull on a Watford shirt and play some glorious football.

I can't believe the Pozzos - they're so selfish!
[quote][p][bold]d.j.smith[/bold] wrote: Brilliant piece Frank. The only downside is that you felt in necessary to state the obvious - a situation that reflects the presence of mindless morons among our support. I can't believe that the people you are responding to represent anything other than a tiny fraction of Watford's fanbase; most of us just cannot believe our luck in having the Pozzos on board. By the way, anyone who has watched Gino Pozzo's interview on the club website must be impressed with the guy's wisdom, commitment and - yes - humility. This family knows football and they have moral principles that are rare in our game today. Thanks for exposing the absurdity of the people you are responding to, but I doubt they justify anymore effort or time.[/p][/quote]Exactly the point that I was going to make. This is an article that represents the views of anyone with any intelligence, so wasn't hugely necessary - although is obviously correct. I fear that the people it's aimed at still won't get the point, but at least you've tried. I'll be going to Shrewsbury this weekend to see Vydra and Pudil (Czech internationals), Tozser (Hungarian international), Gomes (former Brazilian international), Ekstrand and Ranegie (Swedish internationals), Belkalem (Algerian international), Abdi, Fessi, Angella, Tamas, Lloyd Dyer (won the Championship last year), Murray, Hoban, McGugan, Battocchio... all pull on a Watford shirt and play some glorious football. I can't believe the Pozzos - they're so selfish! JohnnyBarnes
  • Score: 50

9:46am Mon 14 Jul 14

The Swavesey gent' says...

I am extremely satisfied with our summer dealings so far, as others have said, it must be a very small minority who are casting doubts - we should all be very grateful for the situation we currently find ourselves in.

A well written article Frank, I can understand your frustrations but don't let it get in the way of what we know is actually going on here.

It doesn't matter what you do, for some people it is never enough - let them doubt if they want to, I'm going to enjoy the moment...
I am extremely satisfied with our summer dealings so far, as others have said, it must be a very small minority who are casting doubts - we should all be very grateful for the situation we currently find ourselves in. A well written article Frank, I can understand your frustrations but don't let it get in the way of what we know is actually going on here. It doesn't matter what you do, for some people it is never enough - let them doubt if they want to, I'm going to enjoy the moment... The Swavesey gent'
  • Score: 27

9:47am Mon 14 Jul 14

WFCBigStu says...

Well said Frank and piece of journalism that hopefully silences the critics. We are lucky to have the Pozzo's and people seem to forget that this fine club could have gone into administration without the brave intervention of an Italian family with football flowing through their veins. They saw potential in us and took an educated and calculated risk, which is slowly paying dividend. I will love Watford through thick and thin, but the football we seemed to be playing in the past few seasons is a joy to watch. COYH!

AND.......Can everyone one get off my Aunty Kayla's back! Yes, she's electronically tagged and under house arrest, but see's trying to make an honest crust in the chat rooms.
Well said Frank and piece of journalism that hopefully silences the critics. We are lucky to have the Pozzo's and people seem to forget that this fine club could have gone into administration without the brave intervention of an Italian family with football flowing through their veins. They saw potential in us and took an educated and calculated risk, which is slowly paying dividend. I will love Watford through thick and thin, but the football we seemed to be playing in the past few seasons is a joy to watch. COYH! AND.......Can everyone one get off my Aunty Kayla's back! Yes, she's electronically tagged and under house arrest, but see's trying to make an honest crust in the chat rooms. WFCBigStu
  • Score: 14

9:52am Mon 14 Jul 14

BD2 Wfc says...

Great article,unfortunatel
y whatever happens at WFC there will always be the moaning minority.
Great article,unfortunatel y whatever happens at WFC there will always be the moaning minority. BD2 Wfc
  • Score: 11

10:02am Mon 14 Jul 14

jimbowfc says...

Well said frank, some people are never happy!
Well said frank, some people are never happy! jimbowfc
  • Score: 20

10:05am Mon 14 Jul 14

GloryHornetBoy says...

Great article....these idiots coming out with these comments would be the first to meltdown if the Pozzo's pulled out of our club and left us to fend for ourselves under the ownership of the likes of Bassini and co.
They obviously haven't been around long enough to know any different.
Mindless morons again showing their ungrateful side.
In the Pozzo's we trust.....the futures brighter than its ever been!
Great article....these idiots coming out with these comments would be the first to meltdown if the Pozzo's pulled out of our club and left us to fend for ourselves under the ownership of the likes of Bassini and co. They obviously haven't been around long enough to know any different. Mindless morons again showing their ungrateful side. In the Pozzo's we trust.....the futures brighter than its ever been! GloryHornetBoy
  • Score: 24

10:05am Mon 14 Jul 14

cliff46 says...

I don't know anyone that has the view Frank describes.
He refers to the" increasing criticism from Watford fans" which is a generalism that I frankly resent. Shouldn't he have referred more accurately to what is surely a small minority of Watford fans.
I don't know anyone that has the view Frank describes. He refers to the" increasing criticism from Watford fans" which is a generalism that I frankly resent. Shouldn't he have referred more accurately to what is surely a small minority of Watford fans. cliff46
  • Score: 20

10:11am Mon 14 Jul 14

Mickey Quinn, not so thin says...

The strategy is great, the signings this year appear to be great but lets not make the same mistake as last year and assume we will walk the league. The squad we have will get us up in the mix but only proper tactics and teamwork will get us up. There are no easy games in this league. Great to be looking upwards than working down to see if there are 3 teams we can confidently finish above.
The strategy is great, the signings this year appear to be great but lets not make the same mistake as last year and assume we will walk the league. The squad we have will get us up in the mix but only proper tactics and teamwork will get us up. There are no easy games in this league. Great to be looking upwards than working down to see if there are 3 teams we can confidently finish above. Mickey Quinn, not so thin
  • Score: 21

10:25am Mon 14 Jul 14

Dunderdale Pinner says...

Very good article Frank. I agree with every word. As you say you will never please everybody, but are the critics real WFC supporters or are they trying to stir up trouble for club from outside.? We are very lucky to have the Pozzos' and their forward thinking. They have been honest, straightforwarde and kept their word. I have supported WFC since the 1940s and I believe this is probably the best squad of players we have had, and I include in that Holten, Mitchell, Harmer, Barnes etc.. Technically they are all very good and if they can gel as a team we should be in for a very exciting season. Best wishes and good luck to all at the club for the coming season.
Very good article Frank. I agree with every word. As you say you will never please everybody, but are the critics real WFC supporters or are they trying to stir up trouble for club from outside.? We are very lucky to have the Pozzos' and their forward thinking. They have been honest, straightforwarde and kept their word. I have supported WFC since the 1940s and I believe this is probably the best squad of players we have had, and I include in that Holten, Mitchell, Harmer, Barnes etc.. Technically they are all very good and if they can gel as a team we should be in for a very exciting season. Best wishes and good luck to all at the club for the coming season. Dunderdale Pinner
  • Score: 24

10:42am Mon 14 Jul 14

londomollari says...

Dunderdale Pinner wrote:
Very good article Frank. I agree with every word. As you say you will never please everybody, but are the critics real WFC supporters or are they trying to stir up trouble for club from outside.? We are very lucky to have the Pozzos' and their forward thinking. They have been honest, straightforwarde and kept their word. I have supported WFC since the 1940s and I believe this is probably the best squad of players we have had, and I include in that Holten, Mitchell, Harmer, Barnes etc.. Technically they are all very good and if they can gel as a team we should be in for a very exciting season. Best wishes and good luck to all at the club for the coming season.
I agree. Obviously odd players, such as Holton, Barnes, Blissett, McClelland would have walked into this squad---but as a SQUAD of players it is up there with the 1981 side.
It is a sobering thought that, with the influx of foreign players since the mid-nineties, all the british players in the Championship, if taken back to the 1980's, would have been regular players in the old top English league. That is the standard of players in the Championship now.
[quote][p][bold]Dunderdale Pinner[/bold] wrote: Very good article Frank. I agree with every word. As you say you will never please everybody, but are the critics real WFC supporters or are they trying to stir up trouble for club from outside.? We are very lucky to have the Pozzos' and their forward thinking. They have been honest, straightforwarde and kept their word. I have supported WFC since the 1940s and I believe this is probably the best squad of players we have had, and I include in that Holten, Mitchell, Harmer, Barnes etc.. Technically they are all very good and if they can gel as a team we should be in for a very exciting season. Best wishes and good luck to all at the club for the coming season.[/p][/quote]I agree. Obviously odd players, such as Holton, Barnes, Blissett, McClelland would have walked into this squad---but as a SQUAD of players it is up there with the 1981 side. It is a sobering thought that, with the influx of foreign players since the mid-nineties, all the british players in the Championship, if taken back to the 1980's, would have been regular players in the old top English league. That is the standard of players in the Championship now. londomollari
  • Score: 8

11:22am Mon 14 Jul 14

smalon says...

gary pine wrote:
assembling a squad worth 10s of millions means nothing ,none of them are used to the nitty gritty style of English football and it shows by goals against red and yellow cards we accumulate and a manager that cant speak English!!
Muppet.
[quote][p][bold]gary pine[/bold] wrote: assembling a squad worth 10s of millions means nothing ,none of them are used to the nitty gritty style of English football and it shows by goals against red and yellow cards we accumulate and a manager that cant speak English!![/p][/quote]Muppet. smalon
  • Score: 20

11:22am Mon 14 Jul 14

StotfoldHornet says...

Enjoyed reading that....

Think you should have just witten 'The Pozzos are the best thing that has happened to this club in Years, nuff said!!'.... would have saved you some time! :)

Roll on the 9th..... Cant wait!!!
Enjoyed reading that.... Think you should have just witten 'The Pozzos are the best thing that has happened to this club in Years, nuff said!!'.... would have saved you some time! :) Roll on the 9th..... Cant wait!!! StotfoldHornet
  • Score: 8

11:28am Mon 14 Jul 14

Mad_Hat says...

"A criticism I have heard increasingly this summer from a small section of Watford fans"

Who are they Frank? Name and shame, because I don't know of anyone who's complained in the way you describe......
"A criticism I have heard increasingly this summer from a small section of Watford fans" Who are they Frank? Name and shame, because I don't know of anyone who's complained in the way you describe...... Mad_Hat
  • Score: -3

11:46am Mon 14 Jul 14

SimmyB says...

I think they've been very shrewd to be honest. Last season wasn't great and I had my doubts but this season is looking much better and the team to be taking great shape.
I think they've been very shrewd to be honest. Last season wasn't great and I had my doubts but this season is looking much better and the team to be taking great shape. SimmyB
  • Score: 11

11:49am Mon 14 Jul 14

soulfulhornet says...

Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:
The strategy is great, the signings this year appear to be great but lets not make the same mistake as last year and assume we will walk the league. The squad we have will get us up in the mix but only proper tactics and teamwork will get us up. There are no easy games in this league. Great to be looking upwards than working down to see if there are 3 teams we can confidently finish above.
Mickey, I agree. I am trying to remain quietly confident. and no more. However, I am failing, and I can't wait for the first game. I don't want us to get ahead of ourselves like last season. I also accept that the players we have acquired this term have more experience of English football than those we had in 2013/14. Tozser states - and I have no reason to disbelieve him - that the guys are a good bunch of lads and there is a good team spirit.

We just need to keep our feet on the ground and take each game as it comes.

As regards, the less positive amongst us, they are entitled to their opinion as much as the rest of us. But if you can't get excited about this group of players, which quite possibly, as Dunderdale Pinner says is the best squad we have ever had, then when will you?

Having said that I recall the critics in the Vicarage terrace being equally negative when we were in the old first division - Cally in particular copped it. For some the glass is always less than half full, but they paid for their ticket and are entitled to express what they want. I just disagree with them 100%.

Great article Frank sums it up. For those who doubt the Pozzos and Gino in particular just read the two part interview he give the WO in the autumn of 2012.
[quote][p][bold]Mickey Quinn, not so thin[/bold] wrote: The strategy is great, the signings this year appear to be great but lets not make the same mistake as last year and assume we will walk the league. The squad we have will get us up in the mix but only proper tactics and teamwork will get us up. There are no easy games in this league. Great to be looking upwards than working down to see if there are 3 teams we can confidently finish above.[/p][/quote]Mickey, I agree. I am trying to remain quietly confident. and no more. However, I am failing, and I can't wait for the first game. I don't want us to get ahead of ourselves like last season. I also accept that the players we have acquired this term have more experience of English football than those we had in 2013/14. Tozser states - and I have no reason to disbelieve him - that the guys are a good bunch of lads and there is a good team spirit. We just need to keep our feet on the ground and take each game as it comes. As regards, the less positive amongst us, they are entitled to their opinion as much as the rest of us. But if you can't get excited about this group of players, which quite possibly, as Dunderdale Pinner says is the best squad we have ever had, then when will you? Having said that I recall the critics in the Vicarage terrace being equally negative when we were in the old first division - Cally in particular copped it. For some the glass is always less than half full, but they paid for their ticket and are entitled to express what they want. I just disagree with them 100%. Great article Frank sums it up. For those who doubt the Pozzos and Gino in particular just read the two part interview he give the WO in the autumn of 2012. soulfulhornet
  • Score: 6

12:03pm Mon 14 Jul 14

Harry's Bar says...

A big fuss about nothing . A few people have observed that we haven't spent any money on transfer fees since the Pozzo's arrived. I haven't heard of anyone complaining this summer. Personally I thought the reaction to Vydra's return was fantastic... not one person criticised Matej on here. Okay, a few went over the top about Cathcart.
A big fuss about nothing . A few people have observed that we haven't spent any money on transfer fees since the Pozzo's arrived. I haven't heard of anyone complaining this summer. Personally I thought the reaction to Vydra's return was fantastic... not one person criticised Matej on here. Okay, a few went over the top about Cathcart. Harry's Bar
  • Score: 2

12:08pm Mon 14 Jul 14

mooneysmagic says...

Why do these idiots think we need to spend money buying players? We tried that with the likes of Ellington and where did that get us?
Why do these idiots think we need to spend money buying players? We tried that with the likes of Ellington and where did that get us? mooneysmagic
  • Score: 16

12:31pm Mon 14 Jul 14

Watfordhog says...

I have never felt so optimistic since 1980.
I have never felt so optimistic since 1980. Watfordhog
  • Score: 4

12:37pm Mon 14 Jul 14

andyrankin says...

Thanks Frank for writing a pointless article.
Does a couple of people making remarks about Pozzos not spending money warrant a preaching to the already converted.
Thanks Frank for writing a pointless article. Does a couple of people making remarks about Pozzos not spending money warrant a preaching to the already converted. andyrankin
  • Score: -35

12:38pm Mon 14 Jul 14

gloryhornet4 says...

Attendances next season should average above 18000 so spending money on a new stand is the right thing. There are plenty of freebies to be had out there as players are released by Prem clubs - so however it happens we need to be in the top flight to be in the running to pick them up.

Players are over priced for Watford as the quality we would be looking for are players that can hold down a place in the Prem Lg.

Lets get there with what we have and the operating plan to take us to the promised land.
Attendances next season should average above 18000 so spending money on a new stand is the right thing. There are plenty of freebies to be had out there as players are released by Prem clubs - so however it happens we need to be in the top flight to be in the running to pick them up. Players are over priced for Watford as the quality we would be looking for are players that can hold down a place in the Prem Lg. Lets get there with what we have and the operating plan to take us to the promised land. gloryhornet4
  • Score: 4

12:45pm Mon 14 Jul 14

Golferever says...

I think Frank should be applauded for having the guts to publish this article. He has been often criticised in the past for not producing the goods, but his comments fully covers all aspects of the current situation and is very well written.

He knew it was going to raise the hackles of some people, but also, based on his experience and contact with supporters, he felt it needed airing.

It would be nice to 'name and shame some of them', but that would I feel breach the Reporter's confidentiality situation.

I would even venture to say that maybe he includes comments that may have come from interviews with the Pozzo's, which perhaps indicate frustration that 'some' supporters feel they could do more.

Well done Frank - very good positive reporting for the Hornets. Looking forward to a successful season - a taste of glory will not go amiss.
I think Frank should be applauded for having the guts to publish this article. He has been often criticised in the past for not producing the goods, but his comments fully covers all aspects of the current situation and is very well written. He knew it was going to raise the hackles of some people, but also, based on his experience and contact with supporters, he felt it needed airing. It would be nice to 'name and shame some of them', but that would I feel breach the Reporter's confidentiality situation. I would even venture to say that maybe he includes comments that may have come from interviews with the Pozzo's, which perhaps indicate frustration that 'some' supporters feel they could do more. Well done Frank - very good positive reporting for the Hornets. Looking forward to a successful season - a taste of glory will not go amiss. Golferever
  • Score: 13

1:11pm Mon 14 Jul 14

Chris the Vic says...

A good article but was there really that much criticism of the Pozzos spending. Judging by these responses I doubt it.

My one and only criticism of the Pozzos was their treatment of Sean Dyche, and funnilly enough GFZ's squad rotation cost us autmatic promotion but that is all history now.

For me the Pozzos have changed the face of WFC for the better. Certain players are up there with the best we have ever had. Whether we keep Troy or not we no longer have to sell for an ordinary price and with the ground improvements almost there we can look forward to a challenging future on the field rather than off the field.

Gino is a hornet!
A good article but was there really that much criticism of the Pozzos spending. Judging by these responses I doubt it. My one and only criticism of the Pozzos was their treatment of Sean Dyche, and funnilly enough GFZ's squad rotation cost us autmatic promotion but that is all history now. For me the Pozzos have changed the face of WFC for the better. Certain players are up there with the best we have ever had. Whether we keep Troy or not we no longer have to sell for an ordinary price and with the ground improvements almost there we can look forward to a challenging future on the field rather than off the field. Gino is a hornet! Chris the Vic
  • Score: 5

1:43pm Mon 14 Jul 14

davidhornet says...

gary pine wrote:
assembling a squad worth 10s of millions means nothing ,none of them are used to the nitty gritty style of English football and it shows by goals against red and yellow cards we accumulate and a manager that cant speak English!!
Knob. Nuff said?
[quote][p][bold]gary pine[/bold] wrote: assembling a squad worth 10s of millions means nothing ,none of them are used to the nitty gritty style of English football and it shows by goals against red and yellow cards we accumulate and a manager that cant speak English!![/p][/quote]Knob. Nuff said? davidhornet
  • Score: 5

1:46pm Mon 14 Jul 14

davidhornet says...

Knob. Nuff said?
Knob. Nuff said? davidhornet
  • Score: -5

1:47pm Mon 14 Jul 14

davidhornet says...

davidhornet wrote:
Knob. Nuff said?
When you end a post with nuff said do not post it twice. Nuff said.
[quote][p][bold]davidhornet[/bold] wrote: Knob. Nuff said?[/p][/quote]When you end a post with nuff said do not post it twice. Nuff said. davidhornet
  • Score: 5

2:11pm Mon 14 Jul 14

Surbiton says...

andyrankin wrote:
Thanks Frank for writing a pointless article.
Does a couple of people making remarks about Pozzos not spending money warrant a preaching to the already converted.
A pointless article? I think not. As Frank did not explain who made those comments, it might well have been people he has spoken to. Yes journalists do get out of the office sometimes and I should know!

Regardless of how much is done for the club, there will always be an element of supporters who fail to engage brain before operating mouth and will shoot from the hip. Their own comments make themselves look foolish, because they are clearly uninformed. Every club has them including all the big Premier names. WFC is no exception.

To quote a well known Prime Minister from history "We have never had it so good".
[quote][p][bold]andyrankin[/bold] wrote: Thanks Frank for writing a pointless article. Does a couple of people making remarks about Pozzos not spending money warrant a preaching to the already converted.[/p][/quote]A pointless article? I think not. As Frank did not explain who made those comments, it might well have been people he has spoken to. Yes journalists do get out of the office sometimes and I should know! Regardless of how much is done for the club, there will always be an element of supporters who fail to engage brain before operating mouth and will shoot from the hip. Their own comments make themselves look foolish, because they are clearly uninformed. Every club has them including all the big Premier names. WFC is no exception. To quote a well known Prime Minister from history "We have never had it so good". Surbiton
  • Score: 6

2:24pm Mon 14 Jul 14

Big Cliff was King says...

"......it is only a matter of time with the Pozzos in charge."
What are you trying to tell us Frank ?
Do you know something we don't ?
"......it is only a matter of time with the Pozzos in charge." What are you trying to tell us Frank ? Do you know something we don't ? Big Cliff was King
  • Score: -8

2:37pm Mon 14 Jul 14

endean2 says...

Big Cliff was King wrote:
"......it is only a matter of time with the Pozzos in charge."
What are you trying to tell us Frank ?
Do you know something we don't ?
assume he means promotion, simple as that.
[quote][p][bold]Big Cliff was King[/bold] wrote: "......it is only a matter of time with the Pozzos in charge." What are you trying to tell us Frank ? Do you know something we don't ?[/p][/quote]assume he means promotion, simple as that. endean2
  • Score: 15

2:40pm Mon 14 Jul 14

Ronny oh Ronny Ronny says...

Oh lordy!!! Read the end people, the "it's only a matter of time" comment was in relation to us going up not the pozzos leaving!
I'm glad you wrote this frank as some people clearly needed it spelling out to them, hopefully mote opposition fans need the education more than ours! Can't wait for the abuse to start again come august!
Oh lordy!!! Read the end people, the "it's only a matter of time" comment was in relation to us going up not the pozzos leaving! I'm glad you wrote this frank as some people clearly needed it spelling out to them, hopefully mote opposition fans need the education more than ours! Can't wait for the abuse to start again come august! Ronny oh Ronny Ronny
  • Score: 8

2:47pm Mon 14 Jul 14

Big Cliff was King says...

endean2 wrote:
Big Cliff was King wrote:
"......it is only a matter of time with the Pozzos in charge."
What are you trying to tell us Frank ?
Do you know something we don't ?
assume he means promotion, simple as that.
Sorry. Yes, of course, that is what he means. My pessimism was taking over and I was reading too much into it. Must try to get the bad old days out of my head.
[quote][p][bold]endean2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Big Cliff was King[/bold] wrote: "......it is only a matter of time with the Pozzos in charge." What are you trying to tell us Frank ? Do you know something we don't ?[/p][/quote]assume he means promotion, simple as that.[/p][/quote]Sorry. Yes, of course, that is what he means. My pessimism was taking over and I was reading too much into it. Must try to get the bad old days out of my head. Big Cliff was King
  • Score: 4

4:28pm Mon 14 Jul 14

craig239 says...

Typical journalistic article to get access and favour from the owners. stirring up trouble to court favour. You have shown your true colours
Typical journalistic article to get access and favour from the owners. stirring up trouble to court favour. You have shown your true colours craig239
  • Score: -26

4:30pm Mon 14 Jul 14

duckfan10 says...

Enough of you moaning minnies.... if you want the red hat back ....support another club -you don't realize how good we have it with the current owners.
Enough of you moaning minnies.... if you want the red hat back ....support another club -you don't realize how good we have it with the current owners. duckfan10
  • Score: 11

4:40pm Mon 14 Jul 14

gloryhornet4 says...

davidhornet wrote:
davidhornet wrote:
Knob. Nuff said?
When you end a post with nuff said do not post it twice. Nuff said.
Well said David.

I was against a guy in a small claims court whose case was the facts speak for themselves. The judge said - yes they do if you are throwing in the towel.

Nuff said - meaningless saying - the fact speak for themselves.
[quote][p][bold]davidhornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]davidhornet[/bold] wrote: Knob. Nuff said?[/p][/quote]When you end a post with nuff said do not post it twice. Nuff said.[/p][/quote]Well said David. I was against a guy in a small claims court whose case was the facts speak for themselves. The judge said - yes they do if you are throwing in the towel. Nuff said - meaningless saying - the fact speak for themselves. gloryhornet4
  • Score: 0

6:28pm Mon 14 Jul 14

buckler says...

Must say fell asleep reading it .. zzzz
Must say fell asleep reading it .. zzzz buckler
  • Score: -12

7:10pm Mon 14 Jul 14

Roger "Studs" Joslyn says...

Think Frank is making it up personally. I haven't heard anybody saying this. Must be short of a story or two.
Think Frank is making it up personally. I haven't heard anybody saying this. Must be short of a story or two. Roger "Studs" Joslyn
  • Score: -6

7:54pm Mon 14 Jul 14

lincoln horn says...

Good article, also can we purchase a certain Mackay-Steven? COYH!!
Good article, also can we purchase a certain Mackay-Steven? COYH!! lincoln horn
  • Score: -2

8:22pm Mon 14 Jul 14

berkshire orn says...

gary pine wrote:
assembling a squad worth 10s of millions means nothing ,none of them are used to the nitty gritty style of English football and it shows by goals against red and yellow cards we accumulate and a manager that cant speak English!!
Who is this clown Gary Pine
[quote][p][bold]gary pine[/bold] wrote: assembling a squad worth 10s of millions means nothing ,none of them are used to the nitty gritty style of English football and it shows by goals against red and yellow cards we accumulate and a manager that cant speak English!![/p][/quote]Who is this clown Gary Pine berkshire orn
  • Score: 3

8:23pm Mon 14 Jul 14

Hornet Cornet says...

bristol hornet wrote:
SAHornet wrote:
I enjoyed reading this well laid-out comment from Frank Smith and agree with every word. We are so lucky.
Yet another great article Frank.

You have written some good stuff these past few months.

Keep it up young man.
I have no problems keeping it up
[quote][p][bold]bristol hornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAHornet[/bold] wrote: I enjoyed reading this well laid-out comment from Frank Smith and agree with every word. We are so lucky.[/p][/quote]Yet another great article Frank. You have written some good stuff these past few months. Keep it up young man.[/p][/quote]I have no problems keeping it up Hornet Cornet
  • Score: 2

8:24pm Mon 14 Jul 14

lockerbiehornet says...

lincoln horn wrote:
Good article, also can we purchase a certain Mackay-Steven? COYH!!
At least 2 Scottish papers were reporting this over the weekend, they mentioned the fee was around £1.4 million. Would shut up those who have slated the Pozzos, non spending, although I have to say I've not heard any fellow horns saying this
[quote][p][bold]lincoln horn[/bold] wrote: Good article, also can we purchase a certain Mackay-Steven? COYH!![/p][/quote]At least 2 Scottish papers were reporting this over the weekend, they mentioned the fee was around £1.4 million. Would shut up those who have slated the Pozzos, non spending, although I have to say I've not heard any fellow horns saying this lockerbiehornet
  • Score: 1

9:04pm Mon 14 Jul 14

goldenboy01 says...

What Frank said....
What Frank said.... goldenboy01
  • Score: 0

9:12pm Mon 14 Jul 14

lincoln horn says...

lockerbiehornet wrote:
lincoln horn wrote:
Good article, also can we purchase a certain Mackay-Steven? COYH!!
At least 2 Scottish papers were reporting this over the weekend, they mentioned the fee was around £1.4 million. Would shut up those who have slated the Pozzos, non spending, although I have to say I've not heard any fellow horns saying this
Looks to have bags of potential, like you said though, still just the rumour mill.
[quote][p][bold]lockerbiehornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lincoln horn[/bold] wrote: Good article, also can we purchase a certain Mackay-Steven? COYH!![/p][/quote]At least 2 Scottish papers were reporting this over the weekend, they mentioned the fee was around £1.4 million. Would shut up those who have slated the Pozzos, non spending, although I have to say I've not heard any fellow horns saying this[/p][/quote]Looks to have bags of potential, like you said though, still just the rumour mill. lincoln horn
  • Score: 1

9:21pm Mon 14 Jul 14

EltonForever says...

Does every club have its share of moaning minnies who are never happy unless they have something to complain about! Or is it just Watford?

We have so much to be thankful for and the investment in our club by the Pozzo Family illustrates just that!
Does every club have its share of moaning minnies who are never happy unless they have something to complain about! Or is it just Watford? We have so much to be thankful for and the investment in our club by the Pozzo Family illustrates just that! EltonForever
  • Score: 2

9:31pm Mon 14 Jul 14

soulfulhornet says...

I think a couple of posters are being a bit unfair to Frank. there has been implicit criticism of the Pozzos (and Nani) and their philosophy on this site.

Many contributors to these debates - I presume Watford fans - have stated that we need to buy players, preferably British, with Championship experience. Most of the time these players, if they are any good, command a fee and usually a premium (Dyer, McGugan are exceptions, because they were at the end of their contracts) - check Ross McCormack or Jordan Rhodes as proof, Deeney too if he goes. By suggesting we buy these type of players the critics are suggesting that the Pozzos are not spending enough.

However, I have asked the question of those discontented fans in previous posts who they would get in at prices we can afford. I have not read one serious response with constructive suggestions of players we should be in for. Which says it all.

The fact that we have chosen to use the Udinese/ Grenada pool rather than buy Championship based players has garnered opposition from some fans. But what is the alternative? Get usually sub-standard (for promotion, not survival) players for low fees as we did pre-Pozzos. Bring on the recent crop of academy players, Hodson, Thompson, Bennett, etc, most of whom cannot get a club at an equivalent level. Or pay sky high fees and/or wages for top draw Championship players as Leicester, Cardiff, Hull, Forest, have done.

So Frank has identified the discontent among the few and argued coherently for the Pozzo alternative methodology. Time will tell of course.
I think a couple of posters are being a bit unfair to Frank. there has been implicit criticism of the Pozzos (and Nani) and their philosophy on this site. Many contributors to these debates - I presume Watford fans - have stated that we need to buy players, preferably British, with Championship experience. Most of the time these players, if they are any good, command a fee and usually a premium (Dyer, McGugan are exceptions, because they were at the end of their contracts) - check Ross McCormack or Jordan Rhodes as proof, Deeney too if he goes. By suggesting we buy these type of players the critics are suggesting that the Pozzos are not spending enough. However, I have asked the question of those discontented fans in previous posts who they would get in at prices we can afford. I have not read one serious response with constructive suggestions of players we should be in for. Which says it all. The fact that we have chosen to use the Udinese/ Grenada pool rather than buy Championship based players has garnered opposition from some fans. But what is the alternative? Get usually sub-standard (for promotion, not survival) players for low fees as we did pre-Pozzos. Bring on the recent crop of academy players, Hodson, Thompson, Bennett, etc, most of whom cannot get a club at an equivalent level. Or pay sky high fees and/or wages for top draw Championship players as Leicester, Cardiff, Hull, Forest, have done. So Frank has identified the discontent among the few and argued coherently for the Pozzo alternative methodology. Time will tell of course. soulfulhornet
  • Score: 8

9:55pm Mon 14 Jul 14

soulfulhornet says...

EltonForever wrote:
Does every club have its share of moaning minnies who are never happy unless they have something to complain about! Or is it just Watford?

We have so much to be thankful for and the investment in our club by the Pozzo Family illustrates just that!
Yes and yes is the answer. We should be thankful for the Pozzo family and their investment. After all the alternative (under Baz and his predecessors) is probably too horrible to contemplate.
[quote][p][bold]EltonForever[/bold] wrote: Does every club have its share of moaning minnies who are never happy unless they have something to complain about! Or is it just Watford? We have so much to be thankful for and the investment in our club by the Pozzo Family illustrates just that![/p][/quote]Yes and yes is the answer. We should be thankful for the Pozzo family and their investment. After all the alternative (under Baz and his predecessors) is probably too horrible to contemplate. soulfulhornet
  • Score: 1

9:56pm Mon 14 Jul 14

Monstermunch17 says...

The writer needs to extract parts of his anatomy from the Pozzo family, and remember he is supposed to be a journalist, not a mindless, flag-waving numbskull blindly going along with whatever his Italian masters feed him.

We could get one of the 1881 lot on here if that's all we wanted.
The writer needs to extract parts of his anatomy from the Pozzo family, and remember he is supposed to be a journalist, not a mindless, flag-waving numbskull blindly going along with whatever his Italian masters feed him. We could get one of the 1881 lot on here if that's all we wanted. Monstermunch17
  • Score: -25

11:26pm Mon 14 Jul 14

mellow yellow says...

Monstermunch17 wrote:
The writer needs to extract parts of his anatomy from the Pozzo family, and remember he is supposed to be a journalist, not a mindless, flag-waving numbskull blindly going along with whatever his Italian masters feed him.

We could get one of the 1881 lot on here if that's all we wanted.
And you, presumably, have been brought up on a diet of monster munch, which explains your viewpoint. If you put garbage in, you get... ?
[quote][p][bold]Monstermunch17[/bold] wrote: The writer needs to extract parts of his anatomy from the Pozzo family, and remember he is supposed to be a journalist, not a mindless, flag-waving numbskull blindly going along with whatever his Italian masters feed him. We could get one of the 1881 lot on here if that's all we wanted.[/p][/quote]And you, presumably, have been brought up on a diet of monster munch, which explains your viewpoint. If you put garbage in, you get... ? mellow yellow
  • Score: 9

11:47pm Mon 14 Jul 14

Monstermunch17 says...

This is a great exame of a sports writer basing his opinions on who gives him access ; to gossip, transfer news, content. Grow a pair, offer a voice of dissent, even just to play devil's advocate for a moment. It's the only way someone will notice you and give you a proper job
This is a great exame of a sports writer basing his opinions on who gives him access ; to gossip, transfer news, content. Grow a pair, offer a voice of dissent, even just to play devil's advocate for a moment. It's the only way someone will notice you and give you a proper job Monstermunch17
  • Score: -17

12:18am Tue 15 Jul 14

bornyellow says...

10 years ago we had the begging bowl out, sold Robinson for a low sum...it had to be done....its not about how much is spent but how much can be saved...a football brain will know that.....The Pozzo Family own 3 clubs and are football throu and throu.....Weve not had it so good since Elton & Taylor...if you dont like it here.....go up the road and support Luton....they need all the fans they can get...
10 years ago we had the begging bowl out, sold Robinson for a low sum...it had to be done....its not about how much is spent but how much can be saved...a football brain will know that.....The Pozzo Family own 3 clubs and are football throu and throu.....Weve not had it so good since Elton & Taylor...if you dont like it here.....go up the road and support Luton....they need all the fans they can get... bornyellow
  • Score: 7

12:19am Tue 15 Jul 14

hondas says...

SAHornet wrote:
I enjoyed reading this well laid-out comment from Frank Smith and agree with every word. We are so lucky.
i too enjoyed reading it, ,great stuff.
[quote][p][bold]SAHornet[/bold] wrote: I enjoyed reading this well laid-out comment from Frank Smith and agree with every word. We are so lucky.[/p][/quote]i too enjoyed reading it, ,great stuff. hondas
  • Score: 1

12:22am Tue 15 Jul 14

hondas says...

gary pine wrote:
assembling a squad worth 10s of millions means nothing ,none of them are used to the nitty gritty style of English football and it shows by goals against red and yellow cards we accumulate and a manager that cant speak English!!
nobhead
[quote][p][bold]gary pine[/bold] wrote: assembling a squad worth 10s of millions means nothing ,none of them are used to the nitty gritty style of English football and it shows by goals against red and yellow cards we accumulate and a manager that cant speak English!![/p][/quote]nobhead hondas
  • Score: 4

6:18am Tue 15 Jul 14

Monstermunch17 says...

bornyellow wrote:
10 years ago we had the begging bowl out, sold Robinson for a low sum...it had to be done....its not about how much is spent but how much can be saved...a football brain will know that.....The Pozzo Family own 3 clubs and are football throu and throu.....Weve not had it so good since Elton & Taylor...if you dont like it here.....go up the road and support Luton....they need all the fans they can get...
We used to bring young kids through in those days, rather than fill the squad with journeyman overseas players for complicated financial reasons.
[quote][p][bold]bornyellow[/bold] wrote: 10 years ago we had the begging bowl out, sold Robinson for a low sum...it had to be done....its not about how much is spent but how much can be saved...a football brain will know that.....The Pozzo Family own 3 clubs and are football throu and throu.....Weve not had it so good since Elton & Taylor...if you dont like it here.....go up the road and support Luton....they need all the fans they can get...[/p][/quote]We used to bring young kids through in those days, rather than fill the squad with journeyman overseas players for complicated financial reasons. Monstermunch17
  • Score: -6

6:39am Tue 15 Jul 14

mellow yellow says...

Monstermunch17 wrote:
bornyellow wrote:
10 years ago we had the begging bowl out, sold Robinson for a low sum...it had to be done....its not about how much is spent but how much can be saved...a football brain will know that.....The Pozzo Family own 3 clubs and are football throu and throu.....Weve not had it so good since Elton & Taylor...if you dont like it here.....go up the road and support Luton....they need all the fans they can get...
We used to bring young kids through in those days, rather than fill the squad with journeyman overseas players for complicated financial reasons.
Journeyman overseas players like Cassetti, Abdi, Angella, Gomez, and Tozser you mean? Your bitterness seeps through your words. If you feel the club has lost its identity, then maybe you need a different kind of club. And just to explain to you, we do still bring kids through... But we don't bring SO many through as we once did because we don't have to. The necessity of previous years saw quite a few young players make a considerable number of appearances but the bottom line is this: where are they now?? Bennett, Hodgson, Jenkins, Bouazza... Not a great many TRUE successes are there... And nor were there under GT If you think about it.
[quote][p][bold]Monstermunch17[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bornyellow[/bold] wrote: 10 years ago we had the begging bowl out, sold Robinson for a low sum...it had to be done....its not about how much is spent but how much can be saved...a football brain will know that.....The Pozzo Family own 3 clubs and are football throu and throu.....Weve not had it so good since Elton & Taylor...if you dont like it here.....go up the road and support Luton....they need all the fans they can get...[/p][/quote]We used to bring young kids through in those days, rather than fill the squad with journeyman overseas players for complicated financial reasons.[/p][/quote]Journeyman overseas players like Cassetti, Abdi, Angella, Gomez, and Tozser you mean? Your bitterness seeps through your words. If you feel the club has lost its identity, then maybe you need a different kind of club. And just to explain to you, we do still bring kids through... But we don't bring SO many through as we once did because we don't have to. The necessity of previous years saw quite a few young players make a considerable number of appearances but the bottom line is this: where are they now?? Bennett, Hodgson, Jenkins, Bouazza... Not a great many TRUE successes are there... And nor were there under GT If you think about it. mellow yellow
  • Score: 2

8:29am Tue 15 Jul 14

corbindallas says...

JohnnyBarnes wrote:
d.j.smith wrote:
Brilliant piece Frank. The only downside is that you felt in necessary to state the obvious - a situation that reflects the presence of mindless morons among our support. I can't believe that the people you are responding to represent anything other than a tiny fraction of Watford's fanbase; most of us just cannot believe our luck in having the Pozzos on board. By the way, anyone who has watched Gino Pozzo's interview on the club website must be impressed with the guy's wisdom, commitment and - yes - humility. This family knows football and they have moral principles that are rare in our game today. Thanks for exposing the absurdity of the people you are responding to, but I doubt they justify anymore effort or time.
Exactly the point that I was going to make.

This is an article that represents the views of anyone with any intelligence, so wasn't hugely necessary - although is obviously correct.
I fear that the people it's aimed at still won't get the point, but at least you've tried.

I'll be going to Shrewsbury this weekend to see Vydra and Pudil (Czech internationals), Tozser (Hungarian international), Gomes (former Brazilian international), Ekstrand and Ranegie (Swedish internationals), Belkalem (Algerian international), Abdi, Fessi, Angella, Tamas, Lloyd Dyer (won the Championship last year), Murray, Hoban, McGugan, Battocchio... all pull on a Watford shirt and play some glorious football.

I can't believe the Pozzos - they're so selfish!
You forgot Anya (Scotland international) and worth highlighting the under 19's captain and soon to be full squad (Republic of Ireland International) Tommy Hoban
[quote][p][bold]JohnnyBarnes[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]d.j.smith[/bold] wrote: Brilliant piece Frank. The only downside is that you felt in necessary to state the obvious - a situation that reflects the presence of mindless morons among our support. I can't believe that the people you are responding to represent anything other than a tiny fraction of Watford's fanbase; most of us just cannot believe our luck in having the Pozzos on board. By the way, anyone who has watched Gino Pozzo's interview on the club website must be impressed with the guy's wisdom, commitment and - yes - humility. This family knows football and they have moral principles that are rare in our game today. Thanks for exposing the absurdity of the people you are responding to, but I doubt they justify anymore effort or time.[/p][/quote]Exactly the point that I was going to make. This is an article that represents the views of anyone with any intelligence, so wasn't hugely necessary - although is obviously correct. I fear that the people it's aimed at still won't get the point, but at least you've tried. I'll be going to Shrewsbury this weekend to see Vydra and Pudil (Czech internationals), Tozser (Hungarian international), Gomes (former Brazilian international), Ekstrand and Ranegie (Swedish internationals), Belkalem (Algerian international), Abdi, Fessi, Angella, Tamas, Lloyd Dyer (won the Championship last year), Murray, Hoban, McGugan, Battocchio... all pull on a Watford shirt and play some glorious football. I can't believe the Pozzos - they're so selfish![/p][/quote]You forgot Anya (Scotland international) and worth highlighting the under 19's captain and soon to be full squad (Republic of Ireland International) Tommy Hoban corbindallas
  • Score: 4

9:11am Tue 15 Jul 14

Harry's Bar says...

soulfulhornet wrote:
EltonForever wrote:
Does every club have its share of moaning minnies who are never happy unless they have something to complain about! Or is it just Watford?

We have so much to be thankful for and the investment in our club by the Pozzo Family illustrates just that!
Yes and yes is the answer. We should be thankful for the Pozzo family and their investment. After all the alternative (under Baz and his predecessors) is probably too horrible to contemplate.
Yes and yes, how can that be the answer, it makes no sense.

Personally I think Frank exaggerated criticism of the Pozzo's, why, because without the criticism there would be no article. Did he just feel like writing an article like that or was he trying to ingratiate himself with the Pozzo's, as some have suggested? Either way I would say it was an ill judged idea at best.
[quote][p][bold]soulfulhornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]EltonForever[/bold] wrote: Does every club have its share of moaning minnies who are never happy unless they have something to complain about! Or is it just Watford? We have so much to be thankful for and the investment in our club by the Pozzo Family illustrates just that![/p][/quote]Yes and yes is the answer. We should be thankful for the Pozzo family and their investment. After all the alternative (under Baz and his predecessors) is probably too horrible to contemplate.[/p][/quote]Yes and yes, how can that be the answer, it makes no sense. Personally I think Frank exaggerated criticism of the Pozzo's, why, because without the criticism there would be no article. Did he just feel like writing an article like that or was he trying to ingratiate himself with the Pozzo's, as some have suggested? Either way I would say it was an ill judged idea at best. Harry's Bar
  • Score: -1

9:41am Tue 15 Jul 14

tommy gunn says...

Probably Frank read some of the comments on this forum for the basis of his article, just a thought. Personally I enjoyed reading the piece, it certainly achieved a fair amount of response which was ,of course, the intention.
Probably Frank read some of the comments on this forum for the basis of his article, just a thought. Personally I enjoyed reading the piece, it certainly achieved a fair amount of response which was ,of course, the intention. tommy gunn
  • Score: 0

10:18am Tue 15 Jul 14

soulfulhornet says...

Harry's Bar wrote:
soulfulhornet wrote:
EltonForever wrote:
Does every club have its share of moaning minnies who are never happy unless they have something to complain about! Or is it just Watford?

We have so much to be thankful for and the investment in our club by the Pozzo Family illustrates just that!
Yes and yes is the answer. We should be thankful for the Pozzo family and their investment. After all the alternative (under Baz and his predecessors) is probably too horrible to contemplate.
Yes and yes, how can that be the answer, it makes no sense.

Personally I think Frank exaggerated criticism of the Pozzo's, why, because without the criticism there would be no article. Did he just feel like writing an article like that or was he trying to ingratiate himself with the Pozzo's, as some have suggested? Either way I would say it was an ill judged idea at best.
Harry sorry not made myself fully clear, one too many glasses of red wine yesterday evening.

Yes - every club has its share of moaning minnies.

And yes -we have so much to thank the Pozzo family for.

That's what I meant.
[quote][p][bold]Harry's Bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]soulfulhornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]EltonForever[/bold] wrote: Does every club have its share of moaning minnies who are never happy unless they have something to complain about! Or is it just Watford? We have so much to be thankful for and the investment in our club by the Pozzo Family illustrates just that![/p][/quote]Yes and yes is the answer. We should be thankful for the Pozzo family and their investment. After all the alternative (under Baz and his predecessors) is probably too horrible to contemplate.[/p][/quote]Yes and yes, how can that be the answer, it makes no sense. Personally I think Frank exaggerated criticism of the Pozzo's, why, because without the criticism there would be no article. Did he just feel like writing an article like that or was he trying to ingratiate himself with the Pozzo's, as some have suggested? Either way I would say it was an ill judged idea at best.[/p][/quote]Harry sorry not made myself fully clear, one too many glasses of red wine yesterday evening. Yes - every club has its share of moaning minnies. And yes -we have so much to thank the Pozzo family for. That's what I meant. soulfulhornet
  • Score: 2

10:31am Tue 15 Jul 14

londomollari says...

mellow yellow wrote:
Monstermunch17 wrote:
bornyellow wrote:
10 years ago we had the begging bowl out, sold Robinson for a low sum...it had to be done....its not about how much is spent but how much can be saved...a football brain will know that.....The Pozzo Family own 3 clubs and are football throu and throu.....Weve not had it so good since Elton & Taylor...if you dont like it here.....go up the road and support Luton....they need all the fans they can get...
We used to bring young kids through in those days, rather than fill the squad with journeyman overseas players for complicated financial reasons.
Journeyman overseas players like Cassetti, Abdi, Angella, Gomez, and Tozser you mean? Your bitterness seeps through your words. If you feel the club has lost its identity, then maybe you need a different kind of club. And just to explain to you, we do still bring kids through... But we don't bring SO many through as we once did because we don't have to. The necessity of previous years saw quite a few young players make a considerable number of appearances but the bottom line is this: where are they now?? Bennett, Hodgson, Jenkins, Bouazza... Not a great many TRUE successes are there... And nor were there under GT If you think about it.
Pretty much agree---there was a lot of crowing about the number of youth team graduates making first team appearances---but how many have made a decent career at Championship level or above?
Don't totally agree with the GT comment. Players like Jackett, Gibbs, Terry, Porter, Blissett, Cally, Ewan Roberts, Tim Sherwood, the Holdsworth Brothers and a host of others that made good careers in the old second division (the current Championship) all came through under GT and the great Tom Walley. The names came off the top of my head---I'm sure others can think of more
[quote][p][bold]mellow yellow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Monstermunch17[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bornyellow[/bold] wrote: 10 years ago we had the begging bowl out, sold Robinson for a low sum...it had to be done....its not about how much is spent but how much can be saved...a football brain will know that.....The Pozzo Family own 3 clubs and are football throu and throu.....Weve not had it so good since Elton & Taylor...if you dont like it here.....go up the road and support Luton....they need all the fans they can get...[/p][/quote]We used to bring young kids through in those days, rather than fill the squad with journeyman overseas players for complicated financial reasons.[/p][/quote]Journeyman overseas players like Cassetti, Abdi, Angella, Gomez, and Tozser you mean? Your bitterness seeps through your words. If you feel the club has lost its identity, then maybe you need a different kind of club. And just to explain to you, we do still bring kids through... But we don't bring SO many through as we once did because we don't have to. The necessity of previous years saw quite a few young players make a considerable number of appearances but the bottom line is this: where are they now?? Bennett, Hodgson, Jenkins, Bouazza... Not a great many TRUE successes are there... And nor were there under GT If you think about it.[/p][/quote]Pretty much agree---there was a lot of crowing about the number of youth team graduates making first team appearances---but how many have made a decent career at Championship level or above? Don't totally agree with the GT comment. Players like Jackett, Gibbs, Terry, Porter, Blissett, Cally, Ewan Roberts, Tim Sherwood, the Holdsworth Brothers and a host of others that made good careers in the old second division (the current Championship) all came through under GT and the great Tom Walley. The names came off the top of my head---I'm sure others can think of more londomollari
  • Score: 3

11:02am Tue 15 Jul 14

mellow yellow says...

londomollari wrote:
mellow yellow wrote:
Monstermunch17 wrote:
bornyellow wrote:
10 years ago we had the begging bowl out, sold Robinson for a low sum...it had to be done....its not about how much is spent but how much can be saved...a football brain will know that.....The Pozzo Family own 3 clubs and are football throu and throu.....Weve not had it so good since Elton & Taylor...if you dont like it here.....go up the road and support Luton....they need all the fans they can get...
We used to bring young kids through in those days, rather than fill the squad with journeyman overseas players for complicated financial reasons.
Journeyman overseas players like Cassetti, Abdi, Angella, Gomez, and Tozser you mean? Your bitterness seeps through your words. If you feel the club has lost its identity, then maybe you need a different kind of club. And just to explain to you, we do still bring kids through... But we don't bring SO many through as we once did because we don't have to. The necessity of previous years saw quite a few young players make a considerable number of appearances but the bottom line is this: where are they now?? Bennett, Hodgson, Jenkins, Bouazza... Not a great many TRUE successes are there... And nor were there under GT If you think about it.
Pretty much agree---there was a lot of crowing about the number of youth team graduates making first team appearances---but how many have made a decent career at Championship level or above?
Don't totally agree with the GT comment. Players like Jackett, Gibbs, Terry, Porter, Blissett, Cally, Ewan Roberts, Tim Sherwood, the Holdsworth Brothers and a host of others that made good careers in the old second division (the current Championship) all came through under GT and the great Tom Walley. The names came off the top of my head---I'm sure others can think of more
Sure, fella, and those names were in my head too, but I was thinking more about second time around. I should have been more specific. But, of course, other Watford legends were brought in: Barnes, Johnston, Reilly, McClelland, Rice, Coton....
[quote][p][bold]londomollari[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mellow yellow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Monstermunch17[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bornyellow[/bold] wrote: 10 years ago we had the begging bowl out, sold Robinson for a low sum...it had to be done....its not about how much is spent but how much can be saved...a football brain will know that.....The Pozzo Family own 3 clubs and are football throu and throu.....Weve not had it so good since Elton & Taylor...if you dont like it here.....go up the road and support Luton....they need all the fans they can get...[/p][/quote]We used to bring young kids through in those days, rather than fill the squad with journeyman overseas players for complicated financial reasons.[/p][/quote]Journeyman overseas players like Cassetti, Abdi, Angella, Gomez, and Tozser you mean? Your bitterness seeps through your words. If you feel the club has lost its identity, then maybe you need a different kind of club. And just to explain to you, we do still bring kids through... But we don't bring SO many through as we once did because we don't have to. The necessity of previous years saw quite a few young players make a considerable number of appearances but the bottom line is this: where are they now?? Bennett, Hodgson, Jenkins, Bouazza... Not a great many TRUE successes are there... And nor were there under GT If you think about it.[/p][/quote]Pretty much agree---there was a lot of crowing about the number of youth team graduates making first team appearances---but how many have made a decent career at Championship level or above? Don't totally agree with the GT comment. Players like Jackett, Gibbs, Terry, Porter, Blissett, Cally, Ewan Roberts, Tim Sherwood, the Holdsworth Brothers and a host of others that made good careers in the old second division (the current Championship) all came through under GT and the great Tom Walley. The names came off the top of my head---I'm sure others can think of more[/p][/quote]Sure, fella, and those names were in my head too, but I was thinking more about second time around. I should have been more specific. But, of course, other Watford legends were brought in: Barnes, Johnston, Reilly, McClelland, Rice, Coton.... mellow yellow
  • Score: 1

1:39pm Tue 15 Jul 14

Harry's Bar says...

soulfulhornet wrote:
Harry's Bar wrote:
soulfulhornet wrote:
EltonForever wrote:
Does every club have its share of moaning minnies who are never happy unless they have something to complain about! Or is it just Watford?

We have so much to be thankful for and the investment in our club by the Pozzo Family illustrates just that!
Yes and yes is the answer. We should be thankful for the Pozzo family and their investment. After all the alternative (under Baz and his predecessors) is probably too horrible to contemplate.
Yes and yes, how can that be the answer, it makes no sense.

Personally I think Frank exaggerated criticism of the Pozzo's, why, because without the criticism there would be no article. Did he just feel like writing an article like that or was he trying to ingratiate himself with the Pozzo's, as some have suggested? Either way I would say it was an ill judged idea at best.
Harry sorry not made myself fully clear, one too many glasses of red wine yesterday evening.

Yes - every club has its share of moaning minnies.

And yes -we have so much to thank the Pozzo family for.

That's what I meant.
Thanks for clearing that up.

Actually, what Frank was probably doing was thinking "it's gone a bit quite, this will get them going, stir up some lively debate, which worked of course. A little mischievous though.
[quote][p][bold]soulfulhornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harry's Bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]soulfulhornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]EltonForever[/bold] wrote: Does every club have its share of moaning minnies who are never happy unless they have something to complain about! Or is it just Watford? We have so much to be thankful for and the investment in our club by the Pozzo Family illustrates just that![/p][/quote]Yes and yes is the answer. We should be thankful for the Pozzo family and their investment. After all the alternative (under Baz and his predecessors) is probably too horrible to contemplate.[/p][/quote]Yes and yes, how can that be the answer, it makes no sense. Personally I think Frank exaggerated criticism of the Pozzo's, why, because without the criticism there would be no article. Did he just feel like writing an article like that or was he trying to ingratiate himself with the Pozzo's, as some have suggested? Either way I would say it was an ill judged idea at best.[/p][/quote]Harry sorry not made myself fully clear, one too many glasses of red wine yesterday evening. Yes - every club has its share of moaning minnies. And yes -we have so much to thank the Pozzo family for. That's what I meant.[/p][/quote]Thanks for clearing that up. Actually, what Frank was probably doing was thinking "it's gone a bit quite, this will get them going, stir up some lively debate, which worked of course. A little mischievous though. Harry's Bar
  • Score: 0

3:07pm Tue 15 Jul 14

rousman 2 says...

Bolton a leason in how not to run a football club, Watford a leason in how to run one.
Bolton a leason in how not to run a football club, Watford a leason in how to run one. rousman 2
  • Score: 0

5:06pm Tue 15 Jul 14

soulfulhornet says...

Monstermunch17 wrote:
bornyellow wrote:
10 years ago we had the begging bowl out, sold Robinson for a low sum...it had to be done....its not about how much is spent but how much can be saved...a football brain will know that.....The Pozzo Family own 3 clubs and are football throu and throu.....Weve not had it so good since Elton & Taylor...if you dont like it here.....go up the road and support Luton....they need all the fans they can get...
We used to bring young kids through in those days, rather than fill the squad with journeyman overseas players for complicated financial reasons.
I was just contemplating what a team based around our recent homegrown, Academy talent would look like. I have excluded those still with us like Murray and Hoban as they are at the moment still part of the Pozzo vision/ dream. A team of the best 11 graduates over the past couple of years who have left us could look like this:

LOACH
HODSON, KIERNAN, MARIAPPA, THOMPSON
BRYAN, MINGOLA, JENKINS, WHICHELOW
ASSOMBALONGA, SORDELL

Of these, two in the Prem (Mariappa doing well at Palace, Sordell has been on/off with Bolton/ Charlton in the Championship, don't expect him to be Burnley first choice)
Kiernan doing well at Wigan, Loach now at Rotherham but reserve keeper at Ipswich before.
The rest at League 1, 2, Conference or lower..only Britt of these has real potential to play at Championship level or may be, just may be in the Prem.

Those that think we could build a team around our Academy graduates at present (I know you would not have all 11 of them in the team at once), need to consider what division do you think the above team would be in? In quality how does that team compare with the one likely to start the new season v Bolton? Realistically there is no comparison.

I have faith in the long term future of the Academy and with the Pozzos directing matters with their flair for finding talent, I am sure it will produce. Evidence of this committment is the transfer of Panos Armenakar from Watford to Udinese to avoid the clutches of the top Premier clubs who were said to be after him.

Pre Pozzo had we discovered such a talent (previously described as a young Ronaldinho/ Rooney), how would we manage to keep him? Could those suggesting we rely on the Academy come up with a strategy post Elite Performance Plan for keeping players with Premier League rather than League 1 potential?
[quote][p][bold]Monstermunch17[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bornyellow[/bold] wrote: 10 years ago we had the begging bowl out, sold Robinson for a low sum...it had to be done....its not about how much is spent but how much can be saved...a football brain will know that.....The Pozzo Family own 3 clubs and are football throu and throu.....Weve not had it so good since Elton & Taylor...if you dont like it here.....go up the road and support Luton....they need all the fans they can get...[/p][/quote]We used to bring young kids through in those days, rather than fill the squad with journeyman overseas players for complicated financial reasons.[/p][/quote]I was just contemplating what a team based around our recent homegrown, Academy talent would look like. I have excluded those still with us like Murray and Hoban as they are at the moment still part of the Pozzo vision/ dream. A team of the best 11 graduates over the past couple of years who have left us could look like this: LOACH HODSON, KIERNAN, MARIAPPA, THOMPSON BRYAN, MINGOLA, JENKINS, WHICHELOW ASSOMBALONGA, SORDELL Of these, two in the Prem (Mariappa doing well at Palace, Sordell has been on/off with Bolton/ Charlton in the Championship, don't expect him to be Burnley first choice) Kiernan doing well at Wigan, Loach now at Rotherham but reserve keeper at Ipswich before. The rest at League 1, 2, Conference or lower..only Britt of these has real potential to play at Championship level or may be, just may be in the Prem. Those that think we could build a team around our Academy graduates at present (I know you would not have all 11 of them in the team at once), need to consider what division do you think the above team would be in? In quality how does that team compare with the one likely to start the new season v Bolton? Realistically there is no comparison. I have faith in the long term future of the Academy and with the Pozzos directing matters with their flair for finding talent, I am sure it will produce. Evidence of this committment is the transfer of Panos Armenakar from Watford to Udinese to avoid the clutches of the top Premier clubs who were said to be after him. Pre Pozzo had we discovered such a talent (previously described as a young Ronaldinho/ Rooney), how would we manage to keep him? Could those suggesting we rely on the Academy come up with a strategy post Elite Performance Plan for keeping players with Premier League rather than League 1 potential? soulfulhornet
  • Score: 4

6:02pm Tue 15 Jul 14

bornyellow says...

soulfulhornet wrote:
Monstermunch17 wrote:
bornyellow wrote:
10 years ago we had the begging bowl out, sold Robinson for a low sum...it had to be done....its not about how much is spent but how much can be saved...a football brain will know that.....The Pozzo Family own 3 clubs and are football throu and throu.....Weve not had it so good since Elton & Taylor...if you dont like it here.....go up the road and support Luton....they need all the fans they can get...
We used to bring young kids through in those days, rather than fill the squad with journeyman overseas players for complicated financial reasons.
I was just contemplating what a team based around our recent homegrown, Academy talent would look like. I have excluded those still with us like Murray and Hoban as they are at the moment still part of the Pozzo vision/ dream. A team of the best 11 graduates over the past couple of years who have left us could look like this:

LOACH
HODSON, KIERNAN, MARIAPPA, THOMPSON
BRYAN, MINGOLA, JENKINS, WHICHELOW
ASSOMBALONGA, SORDELL

Of these, two in the Prem (Mariappa doing well at Palace, Sordell has been on/off with Bolton/ Charlton in the Championship, don't expect him to be Burnley first choice)
Kiernan doing well at Wigan, Loach now at Rotherham but reserve keeper at Ipswich before.
The rest at League 1, 2, Conference or lower..only Britt of these has real potential to play at Championship level or may be, just may be in the Prem.

Those that think we could build a team around our Academy graduates at present (I know you would not have all 11 of them in the team at once), need to consider what division do you think the above team would be in? In quality how does that team compare with the one likely to start the new season v Bolton? Realistically there is no comparison.

I have faith in the long term future of the Academy and with the Pozzos directing matters with their flair for finding talent, I am sure it will produce. Evidence of this committment is the transfer of Panos Armenakar from Watford to Udinese to avoid the clutches of the top Premier clubs who were said to be after him.

Pre Pozzo had we discovered such a talent (previously described as a young Ronaldinho/ Rooney), how would we manage to keep him? Could those suggesting we rely on the Academy come up with a strategy post Elite Performance Plan for keeping players with Premier League rather than League 1 potential?
well said.
[quote][p][bold]soulfulhornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Monstermunch17[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bornyellow[/bold] wrote: 10 years ago we had the begging bowl out, sold Robinson for a low sum...it had to be done....its not about how much is spent but how much can be saved...a football brain will know that.....The Pozzo Family own 3 clubs and are football throu and throu.....Weve not had it so good since Elton & Taylor...if you dont like it here.....go up the road and support Luton....they need all the fans they can get...[/p][/quote]We used to bring young kids through in those days, rather than fill the squad with journeyman overseas players for complicated financial reasons.[/p][/quote]I was just contemplating what a team based around our recent homegrown, Academy talent would look like. I have excluded those still with us like Murray and Hoban as they are at the moment still part of the Pozzo vision/ dream. A team of the best 11 graduates over the past couple of years who have left us could look like this: LOACH HODSON, KIERNAN, MARIAPPA, THOMPSON BRYAN, MINGOLA, JENKINS, WHICHELOW ASSOMBALONGA, SORDELL Of these, two in the Prem (Mariappa doing well at Palace, Sordell has been on/off with Bolton/ Charlton in the Championship, don't expect him to be Burnley first choice) Kiernan doing well at Wigan, Loach now at Rotherham but reserve keeper at Ipswich before. The rest at League 1, 2, Conference or lower..only Britt of these has real potential to play at Championship level or may be, just may be in the Prem. Those that think we could build a team around our Academy graduates at present (I know you would not have all 11 of them in the team at once), need to consider what division do you think the above team would be in? In quality how does that team compare with the one likely to start the new season v Bolton? Realistically there is no comparison. I have faith in the long term future of the Academy and with the Pozzos directing matters with their flair for finding talent, I am sure it will produce. Evidence of this committment is the transfer of Panos Armenakar from Watford to Udinese to avoid the clutches of the top Premier clubs who were said to be after him. Pre Pozzo had we discovered such a talent (previously described as a young Ronaldinho/ Rooney), how would we manage to keep him? Could those suggesting we rely on the Academy come up with a strategy post Elite Performance Plan for keeping players with Premier League rather than League 1 potential?[/p][/quote]well said. bornyellow
  • Score: 0

7:56pm Tue 15 Jul 14

lockerbiehornet says...

lincoln horn wrote:
lockerbiehornet wrote:
lincoln horn wrote:
Good article, also can we purchase a certain Mackay-Steven? COYH!!
At least 2 Scottish papers were reporting this over the weekend, they mentioned the fee was around £1.4 million. Would shut up those who have slated the Pozzos, non spending, although I have to say I've not heard any fellow horns saying this
Looks to have bags of potential, like you said though, still just the rumour mill.
Sky Sports website reporting tonight that Dundee Utd have rejected an offer for Mackey Steven from an un-named Championship club, it's us boys and girls expect to be coming down soon
[quote][p][bold]lincoln horn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lockerbiehornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lincoln horn[/bold] wrote: Good article, also can we purchase a certain Mackay-Steven? COYH!![/p][/quote]At least 2 Scottish papers were reporting this over the weekend, they mentioned the fee was around £1.4 million. Would shut up those who have slated the Pozzos, non spending, although I have to say I've not heard any fellow horns saying this[/p][/quote]Looks to have bags of potential, like you said though, still just the rumour mill.[/p][/quote]Sky Sports website reporting tonight that Dundee Utd have rejected an offer for Mackey Steven from an un-named Championship club, it's us boys and girls expect to be coming down soon lockerbiehornet
  • Score: 0

10:05pm Tue 15 Jul 14

Monstermunch17 says...

bornyellow wrote:
soulfulhornet wrote:
Monstermunch17 wrote:
bornyellow wrote:
10 years ago we had the begging bowl out, sold Robinson for a low sum...it had to be done....its not about how much is spent but how much can be saved...a football brain will know that.....The Pozzo Family own 3 clubs and are football throu and throu.....Weve not had it so good since Elton & Taylor...if you dont like it here.....go up the road and support Luton....they need all the fans they can get...
We used to bring young kids through in those days, rather than fill the squad with journeyman overseas players for complicated financial reasons.
I was just contemplating what a team based around our recent homegrown, Academy talent would look like. I have excluded those still with us like Murray and Hoban as they are at the moment still part of the Pozzo vision/ dream. A team of the best 11 graduates over the past couple of years who have left us could look like this:

LOACH
HODSON, KIERNAN, MARIAPPA, THOMPSON
BRYAN, MINGOLA, JENKINS, WHICHELOW
ASSOMBALONGA, SORDELL

Of these, two in the Prem (Mariappa doing well at Palace, Sordell has been on/off with Bolton/ Charlton in the Championship, don't expect him to be Burnley first choice)
Kiernan doing well at Wigan, Loach now at Rotherham but reserve keeper at Ipswich before.
The rest at League 1, 2, Conference or lower..only Britt of these has real potential to play at Championship level or may be, just may be in the Prem.

Those that think we could build a team around our Academy graduates at present (I know you would not have all 11 of them in the team at once), need to consider what division do you think the above team would be in? In quality how does that team compare with the one likely to start the new season v Bolton? Realistically there is no comparison.

I have faith in the long term future of the Academy and with the Pozzos directing matters with their flair for finding talent, I am sure it will produce. Evidence of this committment is the transfer of Panos Armenakar from Watford to Udinese to avoid the clutches of the top Premier clubs who were said to be after him.

Pre Pozzo had we discovered such a talent (previously described as a young Ronaldinho/ Rooney), how would we manage to keep him? Could those suggesting we rely on the Academy come up with a strategy post Elite Performance Plan for keeping players with Premier League rather than League 1 potential?
well said.
Just because we haven't brought great young, english guys through, does not mean we should stop trying. Under GT , it was Callaghan, Gibbs, Jackett, Barnes, Blissett, Terry, that helped give the club an identity. When one of those was injured, or left the club, it was a genuine, (usually sad), event. They were local lads, and they weren't moved around like pawns in multi-layered transfer scams.
[quote][p][bold]bornyellow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]soulfulhornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Monstermunch17[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bornyellow[/bold] wrote: 10 years ago we had the begging bowl out, sold Robinson for a low sum...it had to be done....its not about how much is spent but how much can be saved...a football brain will know that.....The Pozzo Family own 3 clubs and are football throu and throu.....Weve not had it so good since Elton & Taylor...if you dont like it here.....go up the road and support Luton....they need all the fans they can get...[/p][/quote]We used to bring young kids through in those days, rather than fill the squad with journeyman overseas players for complicated financial reasons.[/p][/quote]I was just contemplating what a team based around our recent homegrown, Academy talent would look like. I have excluded those still with us like Murray and Hoban as they are at the moment still part of the Pozzo vision/ dream. A team of the best 11 graduates over the past couple of years who have left us could look like this: LOACH HODSON, KIERNAN, MARIAPPA, THOMPSON BRYAN, MINGOLA, JENKINS, WHICHELOW ASSOMBALONGA, SORDELL Of these, two in the Prem (Mariappa doing well at Palace, Sordell has been on/off with Bolton/ Charlton in the Championship, don't expect him to be Burnley first choice) Kiernan doing well at Wigan, Loach now at Rotherham but reserve keeper at Ipswich before. The rest at League 1, 2, Conference or lower..only Britt of these has real potential to play at Championship level or may be, just may be in the Prem. Those that think we could build a team around our Academy graduates at present (I know you would not have all 11 of them in the team at once), need to consider what division do you think the above team would be in? In quality how does that team compare with the one likely to start the new season v Bolton? Realistically there is no comparison. I have faith in the long term future of the Academy and with the Pozzos directing matters with their flair for finding talent, I am sure it will produce. Evidence of this committment is the transfer of Panos Armenakar from Watford to Udinese to avoid the clutches of the top Premier clubs who were said to be after him. Pre Pozzo had we discovered such a talent (previously described as a young Ronaldinho/ Rooney), how would we manage to keep him? Could those suggesting we rely on the Academy come up with a strategy post Elite Performance Plan for keeping players with Premier League rather than League 1 potential?[/p][/quote]well said.[/p][/quote]Just because we haven't brought great young, english guys through, does not mean we should stop trying. Under GT , it was Callaghan, Gibbs, Jackett, Barnes, Blissett, Terry, that helped give the club an identity. When one of those was injured, or left the club, it was a genuine, (usually sad), event. They were local lads, and they weren't moved around like pawns in multi-layered transfer scams. Monstermunch17
  • Score: 0

8:06pm Wed 16 Jul 14

soulfulhornet says...

Monstermunch17 wrote:
bornyellow wrote:
soulfulhornet wrote:
Monstermunch17 wrote:
bornyellow wrote:
10 years ago we had the begging bowl out, sold Robinson for a low sum...it had to be done....its not about how much is spent but how much can be saved...a football brain will know that.....The Pozzo Family own 3 clubs and are football throu and throu.....Weve not had it so good since Elton & Taylor...if you dont like it here.....go up the road and support Luton....they need all the fans they can get...
We used to bring young kids through in those days, rather than fill the squad with journeyman overseas players for complicated financial reasons.
I was just contemplating what a team based around our recent homegrown, Academy talent would look like. I have excluded those still with us like Murray and Hoban as they are at the moment still part of the Pozzo vision/ dream. A team of the best 11 graduates over the past couple of years who have left us could look like this:

LOACH
HODSON, KIERNAN, MARIAPPA, THOMPSON
BRYAN, MINGOLA, JENKINS, WHICHELOW
ASSOMBALONGA, SORDELL

Of these, two in the Prem (Mariappa doing well at Palace, Sordell has been on/off with Bolton/ Charlton in the Championship, don't expect him to be Burnley first choice)
Kiernan doing well at Wigan, Loach now at Rotherham but reserve keeper at Ipswich before.
The rest at League 1, 2, Conference or lower..only Britt of these has real potential to play at Championship level or may be, just may be in the Prem.

Those that think we could build a team around our Academy graduates at present (I know you would not have all 11 of them in the team at once), need to consider what division do you think the above team would be in? In quality how does that team compare with the one likely to start the new season v Bolton? Realistically there is no comparison.

I have faith in the long term future of the Academy and with the Pozzos directing matters with their flair for finding talent, I am sure it will produce. Evidence of this committment is the transfer of Panos Armenakar from Watford to Udinese to avoid the clutches of the top Premier clubs who were said to be after him.

Pre Pozzo had we discovered such a talent (previously described as a young Ronaldinho/ Rooney), how would we manage to keep him? Could those suggesting we rely on the Academy come up with a strategy post Elite Performance Plan for keeping players with Premier League rather than League 1 potential?
well said.
Just because we haven't brought great young, english guys through, does not mean we should stop trying. Under GT , it was Callaghan, Gibbs, Jackett, Barnes, Blissett, Terry, that helped give the club an identity. When one of those was injured, or left the club, it was a genuine, (usually sad), event. They were local lads, and they weren't moved around like pawns in multi-layered transfer scams.
I agree we should not stop trying. But the reality of football in 2014 is that if we discovered footballers of absolute top draw - say a Barnes, Hoddle, a Rooney etc. They would not be here for a 6 years like John, half a season if we are lucky. Just look at the current situation with Ogo Obi if you don't believe me.

I remember the Graham Taylor era of the late 70s and early 80s with affection like you. In fact, though under Zola we played more esthetically pleasing football, however, the GT era means more to me. That era has gone, sadly.

The identity of the club is more permanant than any one player, Cliff. Scullion, Luther - I could name more. It's us the fans.

The days of Celtic winning the European Cup with lads born within whatever miles it was from the stadium are long gone.

Watford's strategy has to be, if we are to compete (I think the Pozzos get it) multi dimensional. One use their network, two use the Academy where possible, three bring in experienced Prem/Championship players where available at a sensible price.

The word scam undermines your argument - a scam is dishonest, a fraud. be careful if/when you use such language apart form being libilous is just isn't true.
[quote][p][bold]Monstermunch17[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bornyellow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]soulfulhornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Monstermunch17[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bornyellow[/bold] wrote: 10 years ago we had the begging bowl out, sold Robinson for a low sum...it had to be done....its not about how much is spent but how much can be saved...a football brain will know that.....The Pozzo Family own 3 clubs and are football throu and throu.....Weve not had it so good since Elton & Taylor...if you dont like it here.....go up the road and support Luton....they need all the fans they can get...[/p][/quote]We used to bring young kids through in those days, rather than fill the squad with journeyman overseas players for complicated financial reasons.[/p][/quote]I was just contemplating what a team based around our recent homegrown, Academy talent would look like. I have excluded those still with us like Murray and Hoban as they are at the moment still part of the Pozzo vision/ dream. A team of the best 11 graduates over the past couple of years who have left us could look like this: LOACH HODSON, KIERNAN, MARIAPPA, THOMPSON BRYAN, MINGOLA, JENKINS, WHICHELOW ASSOMBALONGA, SORDELL Of these, two in the Prem (Mariappa doing well at Palace, Sordell has been on/off with Bolton/ Charlton in the Championship, don't expect him to be Burnley first choice) Kiernan doing well at Wigan, Loach now at Rotherham but reserve keeper at Ipswich before. The rest at League 1, 2, Conference or lower..only Britt of these has real potential to play at Championship level or may be, just may be in the Prem. Those that think we could build a team around our Academy graduates at present (I know you would not have all 11 of them in the team at once), need to consider what division do you think the above team would be in? In quality how does that team compare with the one likely to start the new season v Bolton? Realistically there is no comparison. I have faith in the long term future of the Academy and with the Pozzos directing matters with their flair for finding talent, I am sure it will produce. Evidence of this committment is the transfer of Panos Armenakar from Watford to Udinese to avoid the clutches of the top Premier clubs who were said to be after him. Pre Pozzo had we discovered such a talent (previously described as a young Ronaldinho/ Rooney), how would we manage to keep him? Could those suggesting we rely on the Academy come up with a strategy post Elite Performance Plan for keeping players with Premier League rather than League 1 potential?[/p][/quote]well said.[/p][/quote]Just because we haven't brought great young, english guys through, does not mean we should stop trying. Under GT , it was Callaghan, Gibbs, Jackett, Barnes, Blissett, Terry, that helped give the club an identity. When one of those was injured, or left the club, it was a genuine, (usually sad), event. They were local lads, and they weren't moved around like pawns in multi-layered transfer scams.[/p][/quote]I agree we should not stop trying. But the reality of football in 2014 is that if we discovered footballers of absolute top draw - say a Barnes, Hoddle, a Rooney etc. They would not be here for a 6 years like John, half a season if we are lucky. Just look at the current situation with Ogo Obi if you don't believe me. I remember the Graham Taylor era of the late 70s and early 80s with affection like you. In fact, though under Zola we played more esthetically pleasing football, however, the GT era means more to me. That era has gone, sadly. The identity of the club is more permanant than any one player, Cliff. Scullion, Luther - I could name more. It's us the fans. The days of Celtic winning the European Cup with lads born within whatever miles it was from the stadium are long gone. Watford's strategy has to be, if we are to compete (I think the Pozzos get it) multi dimensional. One use their network, two use the Academy where possible, three bring in experienced Prem/Championship players where available at a sensible price. The word scam undermines your argument - a scam is dishonest, a fraud. be careful if/when you use such language apart form being libilous is just isn't true. soulfulhornet
  • Score: 0

10:17pm Wed 16 Jul 14

Monstermunch17 says...

soulfulhornet wrote:
Monstermunch17 wrote:
bornyellow wrote:
soulfulhornet wrote:
Monstermunch17 wrote:
bornyellow wrote:
10 years ago we had the begging bowl out, sold Robinson for a low sum...it had to be done....its not about how much is spent but how much can be saved...a football brain will know that.....The Pozzo Family own 3 clubs and are football throu and throu.....Weve not had it so good since Elton & Taylor...if you dont like it here.....go up the road and support Luton....they need all the fans they can get...
We used to bring young kids through in those days, rather than fill the squad with journeyman overseas players for complicated financial reasons.
I was just contemplating what a team based around our recent homegrown, Academy talent would look like. I have excluded those still with us like Murray and Hoban as they are at the moment still part of the Pozzo vision/ dream. A team of the best 11 graduates over the past couple of years who have left us could look like this:

LOACH
HODSON, KIERNAN, MARIAPPA, THOMPSON
BRYAN, MINGOLA, JENKINS, WHICHELOW
ASSOMBALONGA, SORDELL

Of these, two in the Prem (Mariappa doing well at Palace, Sordell has been on/off with Bolton/ Charlton in the Championship, don't expect him to be Burnley first choice)
Kiernan doing well at Wigan, Loach now at Rotherham but reserve keeper at Ipswich before.
The rest at League 1, 2, Conference or lower..only Britt of these has real potential to play at Championship level or may be, just may be in the Prem.

Those that think we could build a team around our Academy graduates at present (I know you would not have all 11 of them in the team at once), need to consider what division do you think the above team would be in? In quality how does that team compare with the one likely to start the new season v Bolton? Realistically there is no comparison.

I have faith in the long term future of the Academy and with the Pozzos directing matters with their flair for finding talent, I am sure it will produce. Evidence of this committment is the transfer of Panos Armenakar from Watford to Udinese to avoid the clutches of the top Premier clubs who were said to be after him.

Pre Pozzo had we discovered such a talent (previously described as a young Ronaldinho/ Rooney), how would we manage to keep him? Could those suggesting we rely on the Academy come up with a strategy post Elite Performance Plan for keeping players with Premier League rather than League 1 potential?
well said.
Just because we haven't brought great young, english guys through, does not mean we should stop trying. Under GT , it was Callaghan, Gibbs, Jackett, Barnes, Blissett, Terry, that helped give the club an identity. When one of those was injured, or left the club, it was a genuine, (usually sad), event. They were local lads, and they weren't moved around like pawns in multi-layered transfer scams.
I agree we should not stop trying. But the reality of football in 2014 is that if we discovered footballers of absolute top draw - say a Barnes, Hoddle, a Rooney etc. They would not be here for a 6 years like John, half a season if we are lucky. Just look at the current situation with Ogo Obi if you don't believe me.

I remember the Graham Taylor era of the late 70s and early 80s with affection like you. In fact, though under Zola we played more esthetically pleasing football, however, the GT era means more to me. That era has gone, sadly.

The identity of the club is more permanant than any one player, Cliff. Scullion, Luther - I could name more. It's us the fans.

The days of Celtic winning the European Cup with lads born within whatever miles it was from the stadium are long gone.

Watford's strategy has to be, if we are to compete (I think the Pozzos get it) multi dimensional. One use their network, two use the Academy where possible, three bring in experienced Prem/Championship players where available at a sensible price.

The word scam undermines your argument - a scam is dishonest, a fraud. be careful if/when you use such language apart form being libilous is just isn't true.
So it wasn't a scam? The Toszer deal is not designed to get round any set of rules/ regulations, it's a straightforward piece of business?

Out of interest, at what point, as the club , and football as we know it, changes beyond all recognition, do you draw a line and say - I don't want a bar of it, that's not my club anymore?

Or is it all just - it's 2014, it's reality, anything can be sacrificed, to chase success, ( defined in the owner's terms). Everyone who laughs at us for shipping in 16 loan players at a time, can go hang?

Is it keeping the yellow kit? The ground? The badge?
Can they all go?
[quote][p][bold]soulfulhornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Monstermunch17[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bornyellow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]soulfulhornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Monstermunch17[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bornyellow[/bold] wrote: 10 years ago we had the begging bowl out, sold Robinson for a low sum...it had to be done....its not about how much is spent but how much can be saved...a football brain will know that.....The Pozzo Family own 3 clubs and are football throu and throu.....Weve not had it so good since Elton & Taylor...if you dont like it here.....go up the road and support Luton....they need all the fans they can get...[/p][/quote]We used to bring young kids through in those days, rather than fill the squad with journeyman overseas players for complicated financial reasons.[/p][/quote]I was just contemplating what a team based around our recent homegrown, Academy talent would look like. I have excluded those still with us like Murray and Hoban as they are at the moment still part of the Pozzo vision/ dream. A team of the best 11 graduates over the past couple of years who have left us could look like this: LOACH HODSON, KIERNAN, MARIAPPA, THOMPSON BRYAN, MINGOLA, JENKINS, WHICHELOW ASSOMBALONGA, SORDELL Of these, two in the Prem (Mariappa doing well at Palace, Sordell has been on/off with Bolton/ Charlton in the Championship, don't expect him to be Burnley first choice) Kiernan doing well at Wigan, Loach now at Rotherham but reserve keeper at Ipswich before. The rest at League 1, 2, Conference or lower..only Britt of these has real potential to play at Championship level or may be, just may be in the Prem. Those that think we could build a team around our Academy graduates at present (I know you would not have all 11 of them in the team at once), need to consider what division do you think the above team would be in? In quality how does that team compare with the one likely to start the new season v Bolton? Realistically there is no comparison. I have faith in the long term future of the Academy and with the Pozzos directing matters with their flair for finding talent, I am sure it will produce. Evidence of this committment is the transfer of Panos Armenakar from Watford to Udinese to avoid the clutches of the top Premier clubs who were said to be after him. Pre Pozzo had we discovered such a talent (previously described as a young Ronaldinho/ Rooney), how would we manage to keep him? Could those suggesting we rely on the Academy come up with a strategy post Elite Performance Plan for keeping players with Premier League rather than League 1 potential?[/p][/quote]well said.[/p][/quote]Just because we haven't brought great young, english guys through, does not mean we should stop trying. Under GT , it was Callaghan, Gibbs, Jackett, Barnes, Blissett, Terry, that helped give the club an identity. When one of those was injured, or left the club, it was a genuine, (usually sad), event. They were local lads, and they weren't moved around like pawns in multi-layered transfer scams.[/p][/quote]I agree we should not stop trying. But the reality of football in 2014 is that if we discovered footballers of absolute top draw - say a Barnes, Hoddle, a Rooney etc. They would not be here for a 6 years like John, half a season if we are lucky. Just look at the current situation with Ogo Obi if you don't believe me. I remember the Graham Taylor era of the late 70s and early 80s with affection like you. In fact, though under Zola we played more esthetically pleasing football, however, the GT era means more to me. That era has gone, sadly. The identity of the club is more permanant than any one player, Cliff. Scullion, Luther - I could name more. It's us the fans. The days of Celtic winning the European Cup with lads born within whatever miles it was from the stadium are long gone. Watford's strategy has to be, if we are to compete (I think the Pozzos get it) multi dimensional. One use their network, two use the Academy where possible, three bring in experienced Prem/Championship players where available at a sensible price. The word scam undermines your argument - a scam is dishonest, a fraud. be careful if/when you use such language apart form being libilous is just isn't true.[/p][/quote]So it wasn't a scam? The Toszer deal is not designed to get round any set of rules/ regulations, it's a straightforward piece of business? Out of interest, at what point, as the club , and football as we know it, changes beyond all recognition, do you draw a line and say - I don't want a bar of it, that's not my club anymore? Or is it all just - it's 2014, it's reality, anything can be sacrificed, to chase success, ( defined in the owner's terms). Everyone who laughs at us for shipping in 16 loan players at a time, can go hang? Is it keeping the yellow kit? The ground? The badge? Can they all go? Monstermunch17
  • Score: 0

8:00am Sat 19 Jul 14

Nick El Greco says...

Roger "Studs" Joslyn wrote:
Think Frank is making it up personally. I haven't heard anybody saying this. Must be short of a story or two.
Sadly Frank isn't making it up. There are a small number of people on both Twitter and Shorty's Enjooooythegame Facebook page who hold these views.

We now have a better squad than Cardiff got promoted with and haven't gone £100m in debt in the process

Can't wait for Beppe to silence these idiots
[quote][p][bold]Roger "Studs" Joslyn[/bold] wrote: Think Frank is making it up personally. I haven't heard anybody saying this. Must be short of a story or two.[/p][/quote]Sadly Frank isn't making it up. There are a small number of people on both Twitter and Shorty's Enjooooythegame Facebook page who hold these views. We now have a better squad than Cardiff got promoted with and haven't gone £100m in debt in the process Can't wait for Beppe to silence these idiots Nick El Greco
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