Lloyd Dyer and Gianni Munari struck as Watford complete a 2-0 victory over Rotherham United at the New York Stadium

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It’s not often a celebration is a bigger talking point than two goals but Lloyd Dyer’s reaction when he opened the scoring during Watford’s 2-0 win at Rotherham United was intriguing and, if you’re a Hornets fan, a little worrying.

The winger, who was a second half substitute, lashed home from close range to put the Golden Boys ahead in the 74th minute.

Instead of celebrating with the supporters, he ran halfway across the pitch before yelling at the Watford bench, presumably at head coach Beppe Sannino.

Gianni Munari struck late on to complete the win but Dyer’s celebration suggests all is not right in the Hornets dressing room.

There were five changes to the Watford side which started at Norwich City and Watford lined up in a 4-4-2 formation.

Tommie Hoban, who was deployed at left-back, came in for the suspended Joel Ekstrand. Right-back Juan Carlos Parades and central defenders Gabriel Tamas and Gabriele Angella completed the defence.

Ikechi Anya, Munari, Keith Andrews and Diego Fabbini made up the midfield. They replaced Daniel Pudil, Almen Abdi, Daniel Tozser and Lewis McGugan.

Troy Deeney and Matej Vydra led the Hornets attack for the third league game in succession.

Rotherham started brightly. Alex Revell fired wide for the hosts before Ben Pringle curled an effort into the arms of Heurelho Gomes after Paredes lost possession 20 yards from goal.

Watford relied on counter attacking in the opening stages but had little to show for their efforts bar one Vydra free kick which comfortably cleared the crossbar.

The Hornets began to control possession as the opening period progressed but struggled to break down the Millers’ defence.

But Watford felt they should have been awarded a penalty in the 25th minute. Deeney chased down a headed back pass and knocked the ball past the onrushing Adam Collin.

The goalkeeper didn’t connect with the ball and Deeney went to ground. However, referee David Webb allowed play to continue and the Millers cleared.

The hosts’ best chance of the first half came via Pringle. The winger cut in onto his left football and fired towards goal. Gomes was alert and pushed the ball wide. Craig Morgan headed over the crossbar from the resultant corner.

On several occasions Sannino’s side ventured into promising positions only for attacks to break down.

Vydra and Anya were both wasteful with final passes which would’ve created clear chances for the visitors.

Rotherham twice came close towards the end of the half. Paul Taylor whipped a shot over the crossbar and Lee Frecklington had a shot deflected narrowly wide by Gomes.

At the start of the second period, the home side created an opportunity to break the deadlock. Clever footwork from Pringle allowed him space to pick out Taylor. The winger had drifted into the penalty area but his shot from 15 yards was well over.

The central midfield partnership of Andrews and Munari was solid but neither are creative players and that meant Deeney and Vydra lacked service.

The Czech Repulic international was replaced by Odion Ighalo on the hour mark and the Nigerian had the ball in the net inside a minute. However, poor judgement from the striker meant he was well offside when Anya crossed.

Chances were sparse throughout the second period. Munari thrashed a shot well over and Taylor curled over a free kick from the edge of the Watford area after Tamas had been cautioned for fouling Michael Tidser.

Watford had rarely tested Millers goalkeeper Collin but his first meaningful save of the contest led to Watford going ahead.

Deeney’s flick on was collected by Igaho whose deflected shot was only parried by Collins. Dyer, who’d replaced Fabbrini in the 65th minute, pounced and fired into the roof of the net.

He then began to celebrate and vent his anger at the same time. 

Rotherham looked to hit back immediately and substitute John Swift came close. The Chelsea loanee collected the ball on the edge of the area and his strike landed on the roof of the net.

Igahlo felt he should’ve had a penalty after tumbling in the area and Deeney had a deflected shot saved.

With three minutes remaining, Watford secured victory. Hoban cleverly jinked his way past Broadfoot and crossed low into the six yard box. Munari was left unmarked and the Italian had the easiest of finishes.

Rotherham attempted to fight back and Taylor sent a half volley over from close range. However, the Millers were beaten.

It was an effective display from the Hornets. They weren’t at their fluent best and didn’t control possession but it’s an elusive away win, only their second since last October.

And that will send the travelling Watford supporters home happy. But are the players?

Rotherham United: Collin, Broadfoot, Morgan, Arnason, Skarz; Smallwood, Green (Tidser 64); Taylor, Frecklington (Swift 76), Pringle (Derbyshire 76); Revell.

Rotherham United substitutes not used: Loach, Wood, Bowery, Newton, Derbyshire.

Watford: Gomes; Paredes, Angella, Tamas, Hoban; Anya (Tozser 79), Andrews, Munari, Fabbrini (Dyer 65); Deeney, Vydra (Ighalo 60).

Watford substitutes not used: Bond, Forestieri, Doyley, Abdi.

Attendance: 9,361 (1.088)

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9:51pm Tue 19 Aug 14

EltonForever says...

The proof is in the pudding.

Credit where credit is due.

Three points will do for me!!
The proof is in the pudding. Credit where credit is due. Three points will do for me!! EltonForever
  • Score: 31

9:51pm Tue 19 Aug 14

loyalhemel says...

good result needed that after Saturday
Still need to be convinced about the manager
good result needed that after Saturday Still need to be convinced about the manager loyalhemel
  • Score: 16

9:52pm Tue 19 Aug 14

Irishman358 says...

Good win, pleased to see that Saturday's result didn't rub off tonight. Good to see Munari scoring a goal as well. COYH
Good win, pleased to see that Saturday's result didn't rub off tonight. Good to see Munari scoring a goal as well. COYH Irishman358
  • Score: 33

9:55pm Tue 19 Aug 14

Harold Hornet says...

More by luck than judgement me thinks Beppe!
More by luck than judgement me thinks Beppe! Harold Hornet
  • Score: -15

9:59pm Tue 19 Aug 14

Hornet1970 says...

Good gritty win, hoban sounded good and dyer needs to start and told beppe so. Too many changes again but hey we got away with it!!
COYH
Good gritty win, hoban sounded good and dyer needs to start and told beppe so. Too many changes again but hey we got away with it!! COYH Hornet1970
  • Score: 10

9:59pm Tue 19 Aug 14

itsafamilyclub!!! says...

"And that will send the travelling Watford supporters home happy. But are the players?"



eh?
"And that will send the travelling Watford supporters home happy. But are the players?" eh? itsafamilyclub!!!
  • Score: 3

10:00pm Tue 19 Aug 14

EltonForever says...

Harold Hornet wrote:
More by luck than judgement me thinks Beppe!
It is ridiculous. We win away, keep a clean sheet, and two more players open their goal scoring accounts this season. Some fans really will never be happy!
[quote][p][bold]Harold Hornet[/bold] wrote: More by luck than judgement me thinks Beppe![/p][/quote]It is ridiculous. We win away, keep a clean sheet, and two more players open their goal scoring accounts this season. Some fans really will never be happy! EltonForever
  • Score: 46

10:00pm Tue 19 Aug 14

peter10531089 says...

Mmmm with Sannino failing to convince many supporters he can not afford to lose the dressing room - that's a concern. Wasn't there tonight but would be interested to hear from those who were as to whether Dyers reaction was as incendiary as the repor suggests. All fan reports said bad performance but good result but few mention Dyers celebration.

But 3 points is 3 points so well done lads
Mmmm with Sannino failing to convince many supporters he can not afford to lose the dressing room - that's a concern. Wasn't there tonight but would be interested to hear from those who were as to whether Dyers reaction was as incendiary as the repor suggests. All fan reports said bad performance but good result but few mention Dyers celebration. But 3 points is 3 points so well done lads peter10531089
  • Score: 19

10:03pm Tue 19 Aug 14

Drewoneone says...

The next few days will be very interesting after Lloyd's confrontation.

The line up and formation seemed baffling when it was announced. Toszer, Abdi, Forestieri, Dyer all on the bench? From the commentary it seemed we struggled in midfield with little creative play. Dyer coming on seemed to change the game and Ighalo also did well by all accounts. So, was it a good set of tactical decisions by Beppe, or did he get lucky?

The big squad issues may be emerging already. All conjecture of course, what the hell do I know?
The next few days will be very interesting after Lloyd's confrontation. The line up and formation seemed baffling when it was announced. Toszer, Abdi, Forestieri, Dyer all on the bench? From the commentary it seemed we struggled in midfield with little creative play. Dyer coming on seemed to change the game and Ighalo also did well by all accounts. So, was it a good set of tactical decisions by Beppe, or did he get lucky? The big squad issues may be emerging already. All conjecture of course, what the hell do I know? Drewoneone
  • Score: 18

10:05pm Tue 19 Aug 14

buck-stops says...

Stop the press.....big squadstop: players egos hurtstop: no surprise there stop.

Beppe's aroused some passion. Good on him. don't stop...
Stop the press.....big squadstop: players egos hurtstop: no surprise there stop. Beppe's aroused some passion. Good on him. don't stop... buck-stops
  • Score: 38

10:05pm Tue 19 Aug 14

SJM...laugh at luton says...

Manager has best squad in championship,this guy is clueless(trust me)...

Not happy,despite win.
Manager has best squad in championship,this guy is clueless(trust me)... Not happy,despite win. SJM...laugh at luton
  • Score: -64

10:08pm Tue 19 Aug 14

itsafamilyclub!!! says...

Fantastic result, they beat Wolves at the weekend and we just smashed them 2 nothing...

In the three games we have had 11 me on the pitch for more than 87 mins we have won and kept a clean sheet.
Fantastic result, they beat Wolves at the weekend and we just smashed them 2 nothing... In the three games we have had 11 me on the pitch for more than 87 mins we have won and kept a clean sheet. itsafamilyclub!!!
  • Score: 23

10:10pm Tue 19 Aug 14

WessexLad says...

If I were the manager I would welcome Dyer's outburst as evidence of a player who was desperate for a first team place - as everyone in the first team squad should be. I would then remind him that the player whom he replaced unselfishly laid on his goal at Stevenage. It's a team game. Get over it.
If I were the manager I would welcome Dyer's outburst as evidence of a player who was desperate for a first team place - as everyone in the first team squad should be. I would then remind him that the player whom he replaced unselfishly laid on his goal at Stevenage. It's a team game. Get over it. WessexLad
  • Score: 58

10:10pm Tue 19 Aug 14

EltonForever says...

SJM...laugh at luton wrote:
Manager has best squad in championship,this guy is clueless(trust me)...

Not happy,despite win.
Of course you're not happy! Why would you be? If the team had lost this evening, then you and your fellow misery guts could have wallowed in it.
[quote][p][bold]SJM...laugh at luton[/bold] wrote: Manager has best squad in championship,this guy is clueless(trust me)... Not happy,despite win.[/p][/quote]Of course you're not happy! Why would you be? If the team had lost this evening, then you and your fellow misery guts could have wallowed in it. EltonForever
  • Score: 46

10:16pm Tue 19 Aug 14

loyalhemel says...

EltonForever wrote:
SJM...laugh at luton wrote:
Manager has best squad in championship,this guy is clueless(trust me)...

Not happy,despite win.
Of course you're not happy! Why would you be? If the team had lost this evening, then you and your fellow misery guts could have wallowed in it.
Keep on happy clapping Elton
Good result,great squad,clueless man in charge
[quote][p][bold]EltonForever[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SJM...laugh at luton[/bold] wrote: Manager has best squad in championship,this guy is clueless(trust me)... Not happy,despite win.[/p][/quote]Of course you're not happy! Why would you be? If the team had lost this evening, then you and your fellow misery guts could have wallowed in it.[/p][/quote]Keep on happy clapping Elton Good result,great squad,clueless man in charge loyalhemel
  • Score: -28

10:18pm Tue 19 Aug 14

Jezza_A says...

Either the Watford Observer sports desk knows something but can't get anything on record or this is unhelpful speculation. I'll go with the former. I'll be interested in the club's response.
Either the Watford Observer sports desk knows something but can't get anything on record or this is unhelpful speculation. I'll go with the former. I'll be interested in the club's response. Jezza_A
  • Score: 11

10:19pm Tue 19 Aug 14

Ricky Holden says...

SJM...laugh at luton wrote:
Manager has best squad in championship,this guy is clueless(trust me)...

Not happy,despite win.
Love these comments. Trust me?! Prey tell on what basis should we trust you? Playing Football Manager or FIFA on your Playstation in your bedroom? Or maybe you have a big footballing CV.... Very interested in the answer
[quote][p][bold]SJM...laugh at luton[/bold] wrote: Manager has best squad in championship,this guy is clueless(trust me)... Not happy,despite win.[/p][/quote]Love these comments. Trust me?! Prey tell on what basis should we trust you? Playing Football Manager or FIFA on your Playstation in your bedroom? Or maybe you have a big footballing CV.... Very interested in the answer Ricky Holden
  • Score: 28

10:20pm Tue 19 Aug 14

eastendhornet says...

SJM...laugh at luton wrote:
Manager has best squad in championship,this guy is clueless(trust me)...

Not happy,despite win.
Or rather than trust you, you could actually make some points.

As an example for you. You could say, I am concerned about the number of changes made to the team, generally settled sides do better. Also, Dyer should definitely be starting.

Then someone might respond: Yeah fair points, but he did stabilise a team in freefall last year, and this season has won 2 out of 3. The only loss coming away at a relegated Prem team when we only had 10 men.

Something like that
[quote][p][bold]SJM...laugh at luton[/bold] wrote: Manager has best squad in championship,this guy is clueless(trust me)... Not happy,despite win.[/p][/quote]Or rather than trust you, you could actually make some points. As an example for you. You could say, I am concerned about the number of changes made to the team, generally settled sides do better. Also, Dyer should definitely be starting. Then someone might respond: Yeah fair points, but he did stabilise a team in freefall last year, and this season has won 2 out of 3. The only loss coming away at a relegated Prem team when we only had 10 men. Something like that eastendhornet
  • Score: 41

10:22pm Tue 19 Aug 14

InterludeWFC says...

Write off the Norwich game as a freak, and its 3 wins from 3, 6 goals scored and 0 conceded. We were superb against Bolton at home, and have won two very tough Tuesday night away fixtures.

There will always be so-called "fans" trying to invent negatives; try not to rise to it.
Write off the Norwich game as a freak, and its 3 wins from 3, 6 goals scored and 0 conceded. We were superb against Bolton at home, and have won two very tough Tuesday night away fixtures. There will always be so-called "fans" trying to invent negatives; try not to rise to it. InterludeWFC
  • Score: 33

10:27pm Tue 19 Aug 14

SAHornet says...

Listened all night on Hornets Player. All I could hear was the travelling Watford fans. Completely out-sung the home fans. Fantastic support, well done folks.

As for Beppe, well, the result was fine but the jury is still very much out as far as he is concerned. I’m beginning to form my own opinion of him now and I am a bit concerned. Give him 10 games I say.
Listened all night on Hornets Player. All I could hear was the travelling Watford fans. Completely out-sung the home fans. Fantastic support, well done folks. As for Beppe, well, the result was fine but the jury is still very much out as far as he is concerned. I’m beginning to form my own opinion of him now and I am a bit concerned. Give him 10 games I say. SAHornet
  • Score: 13

10:28pm Tue 19 Aug 14

Eurotourhorn says...

Sannino got away with a gamble tonight against a team I suspect will struggle but any away win in this div has to be earnt. However we need to pick our best eleven consistently and if that means some of squad have to go out on loan so be it. Now let's stick together and get 6 points from next two home league games. COYH
Sannino got away with a gamble tonight against a team I suspect will struggle but any away win in this div has to be earnt. However we need to pick our best eleven consistently and if that means some of squad have to go out on loan so be it. Now let's stick together and get 6 points from next two home league games. COYH Eurotourhorn
  • Score: 15

10:30pm Tue 19 Aug 14

holtonian says...

Lloyd Dyer has every right to be unhappy sitting on the bench. He committed to WFC this summer and clearly hes good enough to be chose in front of a few others . No point him sitting on the bench in honesty.
Lloyd Dyer has every right to be unhappy sitting on the bench. He committed to WFC this summer and clearly hes good enough to be chose in front of a few others . No point him sitting on the bench in honesty. holtonian
  • Score: 28

10:33pm Tue 19 Aug 14

davidhornet says...

SJM...laugh at luton wrote:
Manager has best squad in championship,this guy is clueless(trust me)...

Not happy,despite win.
This bloke is a tool surely? I would not trust him to fight his way out of a damp paper bag.
[quote][p][bold]SJM...laugh at luton[/bold] wrote: Manager has best squad in championship,this guy is clueless(trust me)... Not happy,despite win.[/p][/quote]This bloke is a tool surely? I would not trust him to fight his way out of a damp paper bag. davidhornet
  • Score: 1

10:36pm Tue 19 Aug 14

lockerbiehornet says...

SJM...laugh at luton wrote:
Manager has best squad in championship,this guy is clueless(trust me)...

Not happy,despite win.
We are watching one of the best squads in the championship, and this guy (SJM) is clueless (BELIEVE ME HE'S a T00L) Absolutely fekin delighted with the win, why do you bother SJM? Silly, silly, silly Little boy.
[quote][p][bold]SJM...laugh at luton[/bold] wrote: Manager has best squad in championship,this guy is clueless(trust me)... Not happy,despite win.[/p][/quote]We are watching one of the best squads in the championship, and this guy (SJM) is clueless (BELIEVE ME HE'S a T00L) Absolutely fekin delighted with the win, why do you bother SJM? Silly, silly, silly Little boy. lockerbiehornet
  • Score: 22

10:39pm Tue 19 Aug 14

ralear49 says...

reading too much into it from a distance, but with Paredes and Hoban playing right and left side, we may have the ability to get in behind and create chances for the strikers to convert. Or, we could field six different players on the weekend!
reading too much into it from a distance, but with Paredes and Hoban playing right and left side, we may have the ability to get in behind and create chances for the strikers to convert. Or, we could field six different players on the weekend! ralear49
  • Score: 6

10:41pm Tue 19 Aug 14

Goldentrue1 says...

Eurotourhorn wrote:
Sannino got away with a gamble tonight against a team I suspect will struggle but any away win in this div has to be earnt. However we need to pick our best eleven consistently and if that means some of squad have to go out on loan so be it. Now let's stick together and get 6 points from next two home league games. COYH
It could be argued that he managed the pressures of Saturday-Tuesday-Sat
urday games well with team selection? And while not likely to be at the top of the division, it was a win at a side that hasn't lost at home since last December. Just a thought......
[quote][p][bold]Eurotourhorn[/bold] wrote: Sannino got away with a gamble tonight against a team I suspect will struggle but any away win in this div has to be earnt. However we need to pick our best eleven consistently and if that means some of squad have to go out on loan so be it. Now let's stick together and get 6 points from next two home league games. COYH[/p][/quote]It could be argued that he managed the pressures of Saturday-Tuesday-Sat urday games well with team selection? And while not likely to be at the top of the division, it was a win at a side that hasn't lost at home since last December. Just a thought...... Goldentrue1
  • Score: 25

10:47pm Tue 19 Aug 14

canadian hornet says...

Back on track.
Back on track. canadian hornet
  • Score: 9

10:49pm Tue 19 Aug 14

Mickey Quinn, not so thin says...

Great result but according to sky we were absolutely shocking, barely getting the ball out of our half in the first half. They couldn't believe it when we actually scored with our first real attempt. What do you expect when you change the whole midfield and switch from 3-5-2 to 4-4-2 in the blink of an eye ? Bepe got away with it tonight, let's hope he's learnt his lesson. This could easily have been the equivalent of the Bristol City away game that cost GZ so dearly 2 years ago.
Great result but according to sky we were absolutely shocking, barely getting the ball out of our half in the first half. They couldn't believe it when we actually scored with our first real attempt. What do you expect when you change the whole midfield and switch from 3-5-2 to 4-4-2 in the blink of an eye ? Bepe got away with it tonight, let's hope he's learnt his lesson. This could easily have been the equivalent of the Bristol City away game that cost GZ so dearly 2 years ago. Mickey Quinn, not so thin
  • Score: 19

10:53pm Tue 19 Aug 14

bornyellow says...

good win..and a better result than i thought....can we now cut Beppe some slack and get behind our manager..only 3 games in and the daggers are out....
good win..and a better result than i thought....can we now cut Beppe some slack and get behind our manager..only 3 games in and the daggers are out.... bornyellow
  • Score: 28

10:56pm Tue 19 Aug 14

SJM...laugh at luton says...

lockerbiehornet wrote:
SJM...laugh at luton wrote:
Manager has best squad in championship,this guy is clueless(trust me)...

Not happy,despite win.
We are watching one of the best squads in the championship, and this guy (SJM) is clueless (BELIEVE ME HE'S a T00L) Absolutely fekin delighted with the win, why do you bother SJM? Silly, silly, silly Little boy.
Your see what I mean fool...hope I'm wrong
[quote][p][bold]lockerbiehornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SJM...laugh at luton[/bold] wrote: Manager has best squad in championship,this guy is clueless(trust me)... Not happy,despite win.[/p][/quote]We are watching one of the best squads in the championship, and this guy (SJM) is clueless (BELIEVE ME HE'S a T00L) Absolutely fekin delighted with the win, why do you bother SJM? Silly, silly, silly Little boy.[/p][/quote]Your see what I mean fool...hope I'm wrong SJM...laugh at luton
  • Score: -15

10:58pm Tue 19 Aug 14

Henry VIII says...

Under the cosh for much of the game, against a team with back-to-back promotions will always be tough, but they got a great result today. I honestly thought we may lose this one the way the game was going, but it was our boys who took their chances. Nowhere else can I find a mention yet of Lloyd's celebrations, passion, anger who knows? I think the reason so many fans feel uncertain about Beppe is the number of changes, plus still the (albeit improving) language barrier. Personally I'm delighted with these three points, it is very early days but it shows what can be achieved when you have all eleven players.
Under the cosh for much of the game, against a team with back-to-back promotions will always be tough, but they got a great result today. I honestly thought we may lose this one the way the game was going, but it was our boys who took their chances. Nowhere else can I find a mention yet of Lloyd's celebrations, passion, anger who knows? I think the reason so many fans feel uncertain about Beppe is the number of changes, plus still the (albeit improving) language barrier. Personally I'm delighted with these three points, it is very early days but it shows what can be achieved when you have all eleven players. Henry VIII
  • Score: 19

11:03pm Tue 19 Aug 14

ralear49 says...

before the season began, may posters were banking on promotion (100 points anyone ?) and worrying only about how to keep such a large squad motivated. Going by the tweets from Rotheram, after two and a half games, the manager is a clown and the players are clueless. Which is it - keep the squad motivated or play the same team in the same formation every game?

I am not sure he is the right guy, but it's only three games and six points. A little early for the tumbril, no?
before the season began, may posters were banking on promotion (100 points anyone ?) and worrying only about how to keep such a large squad motivated. Going by the tweets from Rotheram, after two and a half games, the manager is a clown and the players are clueless. Which is it - keep the squad motivated or play the same team in the same formation every game? I am not sure he is the right guy, but it's only three games and six points. A little early for the tumbril, no? ralear49
  • Score: 23

11:03pm Tue 19 Aug 14

errollg says...

Beppe got his tactics badly wrong tonight, playing 4-4-2, and outnumbered in midfield. We clearly needed width and he had no Plan B. A change to 3-5-2 was obvious. We won because we had quality like Igaho and Dyer to bring on against tired legs. Travelling support was fantastic, didn't stop all match. COYH.
Beppe got his tactics badly wrong tonight, playing 4-4-2, and outnumbered in midfield. We clearly needed width and he had no Plan B. A change to 3-5-2 was obvious. We won because we had quality like Igaho and Dyer to bring on against tired legs. Travelling support was fantastic, didn't stop all match. COYH. errollg
  • Score: -10

11:04pm Tue 19 Aug 14

Hornet Cornet says...

What a fantastic night. We won, loo town didn't win and I had a very nice pizza. Tuesdays don't get any better than this. I might do some poems.
What a fantastic night. We won, loo town didn't win and I had a very nice pizza. Tuesdays don't get any better than this. I might do some poems. Hornet Cornet
  • Score: 20

11:09pm Tue 19 Aug 14

matey_from_brighton says...

on the positive side:
defence looked pretty solid again
Hoban came in and played a blinder - this time at left back, seems he can cover any position with plenty to spare.
Substitutions worked well, particularly Ighalo and Dyer who finally opened up the Rotherham defence

on the negative side
Andrews in front of Toszer, Fabbrini in place of Mcgugan, Munari in place of Abdi. Why? Surely if those 3 got the nod at Norwich, in a game that was a write off then they deserve to show what they can do in 11 v 11?
Would Hoban have started in front of Ekstrand by managers choice or was it just through circumstance (he clearly should be starting every game on current from.)
Once again we never showed the collective quality against ordinary opposition that we should be showing and never dominated the game.

Early days I know but progress in our away matches is not really there from what I can see so far.
on the positive side: defence looked pretty solid again Hoban came in and played a blinder - this time at left back, seems he can cover any position with plenty to spare. Substitutions worked well, particularly Ighalo and Dyer who finally opened up the Rotherham defence on the negative side Andrews in front of Toszer, Fabbrini in place of Mcgugan, Munari in place of Abdi. Why? Surely if those 3 got the nod at Norwich, in a game that was a write off then they deserve to show what they can do in 11 v 11? Would Hoban have started in front of Ekstrand by managers choice or was it just through circumstance (he clearly should be starting every game on current from.) Once again we never showed the collective quality against ordinary opposition that we should be showing and never dominated the game. Early days I know but progress in our away matches is not really there from what I can see so far. matey_from_brighton
  • Score: 4

11:09pm Tue 19 Aug 14

lockerbiehornet says...

SJM...laugh at luton wrote:
lockerbiehornet wrote:
SJM...laugh at luton wrote:
Manager has best squad in championship,this guy is clueless(trust me)...

Not happy,despite win.
We are watching one of the best squads in the championship, and this guy (SJM) is clueless (BELIEVE ME HE'S a T00L) Absolutely fekin delighted with the win, why do you bother SJM? Silly, silly, silly Little boy.
Your see what I mean fool...hope I'm wrong
So let's get this right, you support a football team and when they win your not happy right? So what does make you happy? If you need a rope just let me know though ya numpty
[quote][p][bold]SJM...laugh at luton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lockerbiehornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SJM...laugh at luton[/bold] wrote: Manager has best squad in championship,this guy is clueless(trust me)... Not happy,despite win.[/p][/quote]We are watching one of the best squads in the championship, and this guy (SJM) is clueless (BELIEVE ME HE'S a T00L) Absolutely fekin delighted with the win, why do you bother SJM? Silly, silly, silly Little boy.[/p][/quote]Your see what I mean fool...hope I'm wrong[/p][/quote]So let's get this right, you support a football team and when they win your not happy right? So what does make you happy? If you need a rope just let me know though ya numpty lockerbiehornet
  • Score: 8

11:21pm Tue 19 Aug 14

-Nightingale- says...

errollg wrote:
Beppe got his tactics badly wrong tonight, playing 4-4-2, and outnumbered in midfield. We clearly needed width and he had no Plan B. A change to 3-5-2 was obvious. We won because we had quality like Igaho and Dyer to bring on against tired legs. Travelling support was fantastic, didn't stop all match. COYH.
Clearly you don't know much about tactics. 4-4-2 gives you more width than 3-5-2. A change to 3-5-2 wouldn't have given more width
[quote][p][bold]errollg[/bold] wrote: Beppe got his tactics badly wrong tonight, playing 4-4-2, and outnumbered in midfield. We clearly needed width and he had no Plan B. A change to 3-5-2 was obvious. We won because we had quality like Igaho and Dyer to bring on against tired legs. Travelling support was fantastic, didn't stop all match. COYH.[/p][/quote]Clearly you don't know much about tactics. 4-4-2 gives you more width than 3-5-2. A change to 3-5-2 wouldn't have given more width -Nightingale-
  • Score: -1

11:24pm Tue 19 Aug 14

Stoney77 says...

Lots of positives. An ugly win, a clean sheet. A rotated squad, a different formation.....And still 3 points. We would have lost/drawn this last year and the year before. Our first choice midfield is now fresh for Saturday too. 3 x Clean sheets this season when we've had 11vs11. What's not to like??

Lots of haters out there, licking their lips at the prospect of another defeat as usual. Tbh, I'm not sure if Beppe is the man myself but let's give him a flipping chance. Twitter full of total muppets calling for Beppe out at half time tonight. Knee jerk fickle armchair fans spouting their irrational drivel. V depressing to sift through when you just want to keep tabs on the score/updates!! No mention of Beppe changing the game with his substitutes, just that he is a clown as he should start Dyer in the first place. Eeeerrrrmmm, maybe he had an impact because he was fresh legged, is he guaranteed to score if he starts?
Dyer will be an important player for us this year, there's still over 45 games to play and more if we have a cup run. Have a bit of patience.

And You could say Sannino got lucky tonight as some have inferred. or you could look at it differently and think These games are always tough.A Recently promoted side, confidence high, playing at home and playing a physical, pressing game, not letting the 'better' team get their game going - very often it pays dividends and the home team get a scrappy win/point. So, with this physical test in mind, Sannino rested his creative midfield players who could well be stifled and struggle to make an impact or worse, kicked black and blue, in this type of game, and who were perhaps jaded from Saturday when they played 90 mins with a man less; he replaced them with two midfielders who lack creativity but can break up play better. Andrews and Munari = less creativity = less chances created but he knew we would keep going and our strength in depth should pay dividends. After all even without Abdi, Toszer and McGugan he knew we WILL create chances but first and foremost we keep a clean sheet, Rotherham will tire towards the end. He knew that. We can pick them off he thought. Patience is the key.
Maybe that's what happened?
Managers get the grief when the team loses so let's, at the very least, give him the benefit if the doubt when we win.
Lots of positives. An ugly win, a clean sheet. A rotated squad, a different formation.....And still 3 points. We would have lost/drawn this last year and the year before. Our first choice midfield is now fresh for Saturday too. 3 x Clean sheets this season when we've had 11vs11. What's not to like?? Lots of haters out there, licking their lips at the prospect of another defeat as usual. Tbh, I'm not sure if Beppe is the man myself but let's give him a flipping chance. Twitter full of total muppets calling for Beppe out at half time tonight. Knee jerk fickle armchair fans spouting their irrational drivel. V depressing to sift through when you just want to keep tabs on the score/updates!! No mention of Beppe changing the game with his substitutes, just that he is a clown as he should start Dyer in the first place. Eeeerrrrmmm, maybe he had an impact because he was fresh legged, is he guaranteed to score if he starts? Dyer will be an important player for us this year, there's still over 45 games to play and more if we have a cup run. Have a bit of patience. And You could say Sannino got lucky tonight as some have inferred. or you could look at it differently and think These games are always tough.A Recently promoted side, confidence high, playing at home and playing a physical, pressing game, not letting the 'better' team get their game going - very often it pays dividends and the home team get a scrappy win/point. So, with this physical test in mind, Sannino rested his creative midfield players who could well be stifled and struggle to make an impact or worse, kicked black and blue, in this type of game, and who were perhaps jaded from Saturday when they played 90 mins with a man less; he replaced them with two midfielders who lack creativity but can break up play better. Andrews and Munari = less creativity = less chances created but he knew we would keep going and our strength in depth should pay dividends. After all even without Abdi, Toszer and McGugan he knew we WILL create chances but first and foremost we keep a clean sheet, Rotherham will tire towards the end. He knew that. We can pick them off he thought. Patience is the key. Maybe that's what happened? Managers get the grief when the team loses so let's, at the very least, give him the benefit if the doubt when we win. Stoney77
  • Score: 65

11:28pm Tue 19 Aug 14

1\1881 says...

Loving 3 things tonight - the pie I ate at half time in the away end, dyer's passion and the depth of our squad that will see us rip a hole in the side of a leeds team who seem to be attempting to follow the 'pozzo' model. Come on your horns.
Loving 3 things tonight - the pie I ate at half time in the away end, dyer's passion and the depth of our squad that will see us rip a hole in the side of a leeds team who seem to be attempting to follow the 'pozzo' model. Come on your horns. 1\1881
  • Score: 21

11:31pm Tue 19 Aug 14

ralear49 says...

Stoney77 wrote:
Lots of positives. An ugly win, a clean sheet. A rotated squad, a different formation.....And still 3 points. We would have lost/drawn this last year and the year before. Our first choice midfield is now fresh for Saturday too. 3 x Clean sheets this season when we've had 11vs11. What's not to like?? Lots of haters out there, licking their lips at the prospect of another defeat as usual. Tbh, I'm not sure if Beppe is the man myself but let's give him a flipping chance. Twitter full of total muppets calling for Beppe out at half time tonight. Knee jerk fickle armchair fans spouting their irrational drivel. V depressing to sift through when you just want to keep tabs on the score/updates!! No mention of Beppe changing the game with his substitutes, just that he is a clown as he should start Dyer in the first place. Eeeerrrrmmm, maybe he had an impact because he was fresh legged, is he guaranteed to score if he starts? Dyer will be an important player for us this year, there's still over 45 games to play and more if we have a cup run. Have a bit of patience. And You could say Sannino got lucky tonight as some have inferred. or you could look at it differently and think These games are always tough.A Recently promoted side, confidence high, playing at home and playing a physical, pressing game, not letting the 'better' team get their game going - very often it pays dividends and the home team get a scrappy win/point. So, with this physical test in mind, Sannino rested his creative midfield players who could well be stifled and struggle to make an impact or worse, kicked black and blue, in this type of game, and who were perhaps jaded from Saturday when they played 90 mins with a man less; he replaced them with two midfielders who lack creativity but can break up play better. Andrews and Munari = less creativity = less chances created but he knew we would keep going and our strength in depth should pay dividends. After all even without Abdi, Toszer and McGugan he knew we WILL create chances but first and foremost we keep a clean sheet, Rotherham will tire towards the end. He knew that. We can pick them off he thought. Patience is the key. Maybe that's what happened? Managers get the grief when the team loses so let's, at the very least, give him the benefit if the doubt when we win.
enough of this thoughtful, reasoned analysis! Bring back Dyche!! Pozzos out!!!
[quote][p][bold]Stoney77[/bold] wrote: Lots of positives. An ugly win, a clean sheet. A rotated squad, a different formation.....And still 3 points. We would have lost/drawn this last year and the year before. Our first choice midfield is now fresh for Saturday too. 3 x Clean sheets this season when we've had 11vs11. What's not to like?? Lots of haters out there, licking their lips at the prospect of another defeat as usual. Tbh, I'm not sure if Beppe is the man myself but let's give him a flipping chance. Twitter full of total muppets calling for Beppe out at half time tonight. Knee jerk fickle armchair fans spouting their irrational drivel. V depressing to sift through when you just want to keep tabs on the score/updates!! No mention of Beppe changing the game with his substitutes, just that he is a clown as he should start Dyer in the first place. Eeeerrrrmmm, maybe he had an impact because he was fresh legged, is he guaranteed to score if he starts? Dyer will be an important player for us this year, there's still over 45 games to play and more if we have a cup run. Have a bit of patience. And You could say Sannino got lucky tonight as some have inferred. or you could look at it differently and think These games are always tough.A Recently promoted side, confidence high, playing at home and playing a physical, pressing game, not letting the 'better' team get their game going - very often it pays dividends and the home team get a scrappy win/point. So, with this physical test in mind, Sannino rested his creative midfield players who could well be stifled and struggle to make an impact or worse, kicked black and blue, in this type of game, and who were perhaps jaded from Saturday when they played 90 mins with a man less; he replaced them with two midfielders who lack creativity but can break up play better. Andrews and Munari = less creativity = less chances created but he knew we would keep going and our strength in depth should pay dividends. After all even without Abdi, Toszer and McGugan he knew we WILL create chances but first and foremost we keep a clean sheet, Rotherham will tire towards the end. He knew that. We can pick them off he thought. Patience is the key. Maybe that's what happened? Managers get the grief when the team loses so let's, at the very least, give him the benefit if the doubt when we win.[/p][/quote]enough of this thoughtful, reasoned analysis! Bring back Dyche!! Pozzos out!!! ralear49
  • Score: 4

11:32pm Tue 19 Aug 14

-Nightingale- says...

Stoney77 wrote:
Lots of positives. An ugly win, a clean sheet. A rotated squad, a different formation.....And still 3 points. We would have lost/drawn this last year and the year before. Our first choice midfield is now fresh for Saturday too. 3 x Clean sheets this season when we've had 11vs11. What's not to like??

Lots of haters out there, licking their lips at the prospect of another defeat as usual. Tbh, I'm not sure if Beppe is the man myself but let's give him a flipping chance. Twitter full of total muppets calling for Beppe out at half time tonight. Knee jerk fickle armchair fans spouting their irrational drivel. V depressing to sift through when you just want to keep tabs on the score/updates!! No mention of Beppe changing the game with his substitutes, just that he is a clown as he should start Dyer in the first place. Eeeerrrrmmm, maybe he had an impact because he was fresh legged, is he guaranteed to score if he starts?
Dyer will be an important player for us this year, there's still over 45 games to play and more if we have a cup run. Have a bit of patience.

And You could say Sannino got lucky tonight as some have inferred. or you could look at it differently and think These games are always tough.A Recently promoted side, confidence high, playing at home and playing a physical, pressing game, not letting the 'better' team get their game going - very often it pays dividends and the home team get a scrappy win/point. So, with this physical test in mind, Sannino rested his creative midfield players who could well be stifled and struggle to make an impact or worse, kicked black and blue, in this type of game, and who were perhaps jaded from Saturday when they played 90 mins with a man less; he replaced them with two midfielders who lack creativity but can break up play better. Andrews and Munari = less creativity = less chances created but he knew we would keep going and our strength in depth should pay dividends. After all even without Abdi, Toszer and McGugan he knew we WILL create chances but first and foremost we keep a clean sheet, Rotherham will tire towards the end. He knew that. We can pick them off he thought. Patience is the key.
Maybe that's what happened?
Managers get the grief when the team loses so let's, at the very least, give him the benefit if the doubt when we win.
Nice to read someone that talks sense!
[quote][p][bold]Stoney77[/bold] wrote: Lots of positives. An ugly win, a clean sheet. A rotated squad, a different formation.....And still 3 points. We would have lost/drawn this last year and the year before. Our first choice midfield is now fresh for Saturday too. 3 x Clean sheets this season when we've had 11vs11. What's not to like?? Lots of haters out there, licking their lips at the prospect of another defeat as usual. Tbh, I'm not sure if Beppe is the man myself but let's give him a flipping chance. Twitter full of total muppets calling for Beppe out at half time tonight. Knee jerk fickle armchair fans spouting their irrational drivel. V depressing to sift through when you just want to keep tabs on the score/updates!! No mention of Beppe changing the game with his substitutes, just that he is a clown as he should start Dyer in the first place. Eeeerrrrmmm, maybe he had an impact because he was fresh legged, is he guaranteed to score if he starts? Dyer will be an important player for us this year, there's still over 45 games to play and more if we have a cup run. Have a bit of patience. And You could say Sannino got lucky tonight as some have inferred. or you could look at it differently and think These games are always tough.A Recently promoted side, confidence high, playing at home and playing a physical, pressing game, not letting the 'better' team get their game going - very often it pays dividends and the home team get a scrappy win/point. So, with this physical test in mind, Sannino rested his creative midfield players who could well be stifled and struggle to make an impact or worse, kicked black and blue, in this type of game, and who were perhaps jaded from Saturday when they played 90 mins with a man less; he replaced them with two midfielders who lack creativity but can break up play better. Andrews and Munari = less creativity = less chances created but he knew we would keep going and our strength in depth should pay dividends. After all even without Abdi, Toszer and McGugan he knew we WILL create chances but first and foremost we keep a clean sheet, Rotherham will tire towards the end. He knew that. We can pick them off he thought. Patience is the key. Maybe that's what happened? Managers get the grief when the team loses so let's, at the very least, give him the benefit if the doubt when we win.[/p][/quote]Nice to read someone that talks sense! -Nightingale-
  • Score: 28

11:34pm Tue 19 Aug 14

The_Hornet says...

ralear49 wrote:
Stoney77 wrote:
Lots of positives. An ugly win, a clean sheet. A rotated squad, a different formation.....And still 3 points. We would have lost/drawn this last year and the year before. Our first choice midfield is now fresh for Saturday too. 3 x Clean sheets this season when we've had 11vs11. What's not to like?? Lots of haters out there, licking their lips at the prospect of another defeat as usual. Tbh, I'm not sure if Beppe is the man myself but let's give him a flipping chance. Twitter full of total muppets calling for Beppe out at half time tonight. Knee jerk fickle armchair fans spouting their irrational drivel. V depressing to sift through when you just want to keep tabs on the score/updates!! No mention of Beppe changing the game with his substitutes, just that he is a clown as he should start Dyer in the first place. Eeeerrrrmmm, maybe he had an impact because he was fresh legged, is he guaranteed to score if he starts? Dyer will be an important player for us this year, there's still over 45 games to play and more if we have a cup run. Have a bit of patience. And You could say Sannino got lucky tonight as some have inferred. or you could look at it differently and think These games are always tough.A Recently promoted side, confidence high, playing at home and playing a physical, pressing game, not letting the 'better' team get their game going - very often it pays dividends and the home team get a scrappy win/point. So, with this physical test in mind, Sannino rested his creative midfield players who could well be stifled and struggle to make an impact or worse, kicked black and blue, in this type of game, and who were perhaps jaded from Saturday when they played 90 mins with a man less; he replaced them with two midfielders who lack creativity but can break up play better. Andrews and Munari = less creativity = less chances created but he knew we would keep going and our strength in depth should pay dividends. After all even without Abdi, Toszer and McGugan he knew we WILL create chances but first and foremost we keep a clean sheet, Rotherham will tire towards the end. He knew that. We can pick them off he thought. Patience is the key. Maybe that's what happened? Managers get the grief when the team loses so let's, at the very least, give him the benefit if the doubt when we win.
enough of this thoughtful, reasoned analysis! Bring back Dyche!! Pozzos out!!!
I'm hoping that you're joking.... Pozzos out? Really? I don't fancy ending up playing in the same league as the scum tyvm.
[quote][p][bold]ralear49[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stoney77[/bold] wrote: Lots of positives. An ugly win, a clean sheet. A rotated squad, a different formation.....And still 3 points. We would have lost/drawn this last year and the year before. Our first choice midfield is now fresh for Saturday too. 3 x Clean sheets this season when we've had 11vs11. What's not to like?? Lots of haters out there, licking their lips at the prospect of another defeat as usual. Tbh, I'm not sure if Beppe is the man myself but let's give him a flipping chance. Twitter full of total muppets calling for Beppe out at half time tonight. Knee jerk fickle armchair fans spouting their irrational drivel. V depressing to sift through when you just want to keep tabs on the score/updates!! No mention of Beppe changing the game with his substitutes, just that he is a clown as he should start Dyer in the first place. Eeeerrrrmmm, maybe he had an impact because he was fresh legged, is he guaranteed to score if he starts? Dyer will be an important player for us this year, there's still over 45 games to play and more if we have a cup run. Have a bit of patience. And You could say Sannino got lucky tonight as some have inferred. or you could look at it differently and think These games are always tough.A Recently promoted side, confidence high, playing at home and playing a physical, pressing game, not letting the 'better' team get their game going - very often it pays dividends and the home team get a scrappy win/point. So, with this physical test in mind, Sannino rested his creative midfield players who could well be stifled and struggle to make an impact or worse, kicked black and blue, in this type of game, and who were perhaps jaded from Saturday when they played 90 mins with a man less; he replaced them with two midfielders who lack creativity but can break up play better. Andrews and Munari = less creativity = less chances created but he knew we would keep going and our strength in depth should pay dividends. After all even without Abdi, Toszer and McGugan he knew we WILL create chances but first and foremost we keep a clean sheet, Rotherham will tire towards the end. He knew that. We can pick them off he thought. Patience is the key. Maybe that's what happened? Managers get the grief when the team loses so let's, at the very least, give him the benefit if the doubt when we win.[/p][/quote]enough of this thoughtful, reasoned analysis! Bring back Dyche!! Pozzos out!!![/p][/quote]I'm hoping that you're joking.... Pozzos out? Really? I don't fancy ending up playing in the same league as the scum tyvm. The_Hornet
  • Score: -8

11:41pm Tue 19 Aug 14

matey_from_brighton says...

Stoney77 wrote:
Lots of positives. An ugly win, a clean sheet. A rotated squad, a different formation.....And still 3 points. We would have lost/drawn this last year and the year before. Our first choice midfield is now fresh for Saturday too. 3 x Clean sheets this season when we've had 11vs11. What's not to like??

Lots of haters out there, licking their lips at the prospect of another defeat as usual. Tbh, I'm not sure if Beppe is the man myself but let's give him a flipping chance. Twitter full of total muppets calling for Beppe out at half time tonight. Knee jerk fickle armchair fans spouting their irrational drivel. V depressing to sift through when you just want to keep tabs on the score/updates!! No mention of Beppe changing the game with his substitutes, just that he is a clown as he should start Dyer in the first place. Eeeerrrrmmm, maybe he had an impact because he was fresh legged, is he guaranteed to score if he starts?
Dyer will be an important player for us this year, there's still over 45 games to play and more if we have a cup run. Have a bit of patience.

And You could say Sannino got lucky tonight as some have inferred. or you could look at it differently and think These games are always tough.A Recently promoted side, confidence high, playing at home and playing a physical, pressing game, not letting the 'better' team get their game going - very often it pays dividends and the home team get a scrappy win/point. So, with this physical test in mind, Sannino rested his creative midfield players who could well be stifled and struggle to make an impact or worse, kicked black and blue, in this type of game, and who were perhaps jaded from Saturday when they played 90 mins with a man less; he replaced them with two midfielders who lack creativity but can break up play better. Andrews and Munari = less creativity = less chances created but he knew we would keep going and our strength in depth should pay dividends. After all even without Abdi, Toszer and McGugan he knew we WILL create chances but first and foremost we keep a clean sheet, Rotherham will tire towards the end. He knew that. We can pick them off he thought. Patience is the key.
Maybe that's what happened?
Managers get the grief when the team loses so let's, at the very least, give him the benefit if the doubt when we win.
Good points Stoney, I doubt whether many fans would have been worried about Dyer being on bench but more certainly Abdi/Mcgugan/Toszer raised a few concerns. Clean sheets in each match with 11 players is positive and maybe we need to change our expectations from away games accordingly. Still find it hard to see Abdi on the bench though and Andrews starting in front of Toszer but if you don't concede, you don't lose I guess.
[quote][p][bold]Stoney77[/bold] wrote: Lots of positives. An ugly win, a clean sheet. A rotated squad, a different formation.....And still 3 points. We would have lost/drawn this last year and the year before. Our first choice midfield is now fresh for Saturday too. 3 x Clean sheets this season when we've had 11vs11. What's not to like?? Lots of haters out there, licking their lips at the prospect of another defeat as usual. Tbh, I'm not sure if Beppe is the man myself but let's give him a flipping chance. Twitter full of total muppets calling for Beppe out at half time tonight. Knee jerk fickle armchair fans spouting their irrational drivel. V depressing to sift through when you just want to keep tabs on the score/updates!! No mention of Beppe changing the game with his substitutes, just that he is a clown as he should start Dyer in the first place. Eeeerrrrmmm, maybe he had an impact because he was fresh legged, is he guaranteed to score if he starts? Dyer will be an important player for us this year, there's still over 45 games to play and more if we have a cup run. Have a bit of patience. And You could say Sannino got lucky tonight as some have inferred. or you could look at it differently and think These games are always tough.A Recently promoted side, confidence high, playing at home and playing a physical, pressing game, not letting the 'better' team get their game going - very often it pays dividends and the home team get a scrappy win/point. So, with this physical test in mind, Sannino rested his creative midfield players who could well be stifled and struggle to make an impact or worse, kicked black and blue, in this type of game, and who were perhaps jaded from Saturday when they played 90 mins with a man less; he replaced them with two midfielders who lack creativity but can break up play better. Andrews and Munari = less creativity = less chances created but he knew we would keep going and our strength in depth should pay dividends. After all even without Abdi, Toszer and McGugan he knew we WILL create chances but first and foremost we keep a clean sheet, Rotherham will tire towards the end. He knew that. We can pick them off he thought. Patience is the key. Maybe that's what happened? Managers get the grief when the team loses so let's, at the very least, give him the benefit if the doubt when we win.[/p][/quote]Good points Stoney, I doubt whether many fans would have been worried about Dyer being on bench but more certainly Abdi/Mcgugan/Toszer raised a few concerns. Clean sheets in each match with 11 players is positive and maybe we need to change our expectations from away games accordingly. Still find it hard to see Abdi on the bench though and Andrews starting in front of Toszer but if you don't concede, you don't lose I guess. matey_from_brighton
  • Score: 8

11:41pm Tue 19 Aug 14

bornyellow says...

holtonian wrote:
Lloyd Dyer has every right to be unhappy sitting on the bench. He committed to WFC this summer and clearly hes good enough to be chose in front of a few others . No point him sitting on the bench in honesty.
im sure he will get his chance
[quote][p][bold]holtonian[/bold] wrote: Lloyd Dyer has every right to be unhappy sitting on the bench. He committed to WFC this summer and clearly hes good enough to be chose in front of a few others . No point him sitting on the bench in honesty.[/p][/quote]im sure he will get his chance bornyellow
  • Score: 7

11:45pm Tue 19 Aug 14

ralear49 says...

The_Hornet wrote:
ralear49 wrote:
Stoney77 wrote: Lots of positives. An ugly win, a clean sheet. A rotated squad, a different formation.....And still 3 points. We would have lost/drawn this last year and the year before. Our first choice midfield is now fresh for Saturday too. 3 x Clean sheets this season when we've had 11vs11. What's not to like?? Lots of haters out there, licking their lips at the prospect of another defeat as usual. Tbh, I'm not sure if Beppe is the man myself but let's give him a flipping chance. Twitter full of total muppets calling for Beppe out at half time tonight. Knee jerk fickle armchair fans spouting their irrational drivel. V depressing to sift through when you just want to keep tabs on the score/updates!! No mention of Beppe changing the game with his substitutes, just that he is a clown as he should start Dyer in the first place. Eeeerrrrmmm, maybe he had an impact because he was fresh legged, is he guaranteed to score if he starts? Dyer will be an important player for us this year, there's still over 45 games to play and more if we have a cup run. Have a bit of patience. And You could say Sannino got lucky tonight as some have inferred. or you could look at it differently and think These games are always tough.A Recently promoted side, confidence high, playing at home and playing a physical, pressing game, not letting the 'better' team get their game going - very often it pays dividends and the home team get a scrappy win/point. So, with this physical test in mind, Sannino rested his creative midfield players who could well be stifled and struggle to make an impact or worse, kicked black and blue, in this type of game, and who were perhaps jaded from Saturday when they played 90 mins with a man less; he replaced them with two midfielders who lack creativity but can break up play better. Andrews and Munari = less creativity = less chances created but he knew we would keep going and our strength in depth should pay dividends. After all even without Abdi, Toszer and McGugan he knew we WILL create chances but first and foremost we keep a clean sheet, Rotherham will tire towards the end. He knew that. We can pick them off he thought. Patience is the key. Maybe that's what happened? Managers get the grief when the team loses so let's, at the very least, give him the benefit if the doubt when we win.
enough of this thoughtful, reasoned analysis! Bring back Dyche!! Pozzos out!!!
I'm hoping that you're joking.... Pozzos out? Really? I don't fancy ending up playing in the same league as the scum tyvm.
yes, some call it "irony". I thought his post was terriific. Especially resting the creative midfileders and having them ready for Saturday.
[quote][p][bold]The_Hornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ralear49[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stoney77[/bold] wrote: Lots of positives. An ugly win, a clean sheet. A rotated squad, a different formation.....And still 3 points. We would have lost/drawn this last year and the year before. Our first choice midfield is now fresh for Saturday too. 3 x Clean sheets this season when we've had 11vs11. What's not to like?? Lots of haters out there, licking their lips at the prospect of another defeat as usual. Tbh, I'm not sure if Beppe is the man myself but let's give him a flipping chance. Twitter full of total muppets calling for Beppe out at half time tonight. Knee jerk fickle armchair fans spouting their irrational drivel. V depressing to sift through when you just want to keep tabs on the score/updates!! No mention of Beppe changing the game with his substitutes, just that he is a clown as he should start Dyer in the first place. Eeeerrrrmmm, maybe he had an impact because he was fresh legged, is he guaranteed to score if he starts? Dyer will be an important player for us this year, there's still over 45 games to play and more if we have a cup run. Have a bit of patience. And You could say Sannino got lucky tonight as some have inferred. or you could look at it differently and think These games are always tough.A Recently promoted side, confidence high, playing at home and playing a physical, pressing game, not letting the 'better' team get their game going - very often it pays dividends and the home team get a scrappy win/point. So, with this physical test in mind, Sannino rested his creative midfield players who could well be stifled and struggle to make an impact or worse, kicked black and blue, in this type of game, and who were perhaps jaded from Saturday when they played 90 mins with a man less; he replaced them with two midfielders who lack creativity but can break up play better. Andrews and Munari = less creativity = less chances created but he knew we would keep going and our strength in depth should pay dividends. After all even without Abdi, Toszer and McGugan he knew we WILL create chances but first and foremost we keep a clean sheet, Rotherham will tire towards the end. He knew that. We can pick them off he thought. Patience is the key. Maybe that's what happened? Managers get the grief when the team loses so let's, at the very least, give him the benefit if the doubt when we win.[/p][/quote]enough of this thoughtful, reasoned analysis! Bring back Dyche!! Pozzos out!!![/p][/quote]I'm hoping that you're joking.... Pozzos out? Really? I don't fancy ending up playing in the same league as the scum tyvm.[/p][/quote]yes, some call it "irony". I thought his post was terriific. Especially resting the creative midfileders and having them ready for Saturday. ralear49
  • Score: 9

11:53pm Tue 19 Aug 14

jasonwatford says...

The how is the manager gonna keep a big squad happy question is rubbish .... How would you eh ??? There is no answer to that , He plays 4-4-2 and everyone screams he got it wrong but since pre season all I have read is 3=5=2 is wrong and 4-3-3 don't work. Plays Andrews in front to Toszer....well if you went to Norwich and I guess you didn't you would have seen why as Toszer was rubbish and Andrews would be more reliable on a wet Tuesday night up north. Dyer running to the bench and saying whatever he did is good passion , Beppa could have said go on son get me a goal and dyer replied with Have it !!!! We don't know do we. All I know is under zola we would have lost this game.
The how is the manager gonna keep a big squad happy question is rubbish .... How would you eh ??? There is no answer to that , He plays 4-4-2 and everyone screams he got it wrong but since pre season all I have read is 3=5=2 is wrong and 4-3-3 don't work. Plays Andrews in front to Toszer....well if you went to Norwich and I guess you didn't you would have seen why as Toszer was rubbish and Andrews would be more reliable on a wet Tuesday night up north. Dyer running to the bench and saying whatever he did is good passion , Beppa could have said go on son get me a goal and dyer replied with Have it !!!! We don't know do we. All I know is under zola we would have lost this game. jasonwatford
  • Score: 14

11:58pm Tue 19 Aug 14

Tomsyboy says...

Winning these kind of games will get us promoted regardless of who should have started and who should play where. Im sure the coach has reasons and remember he turned our season round last year so we should get behind him rather than post stupid comments about being unhappy etc Nobody on ere is qualified to run a football squad so stop chatting rubbish about tactics or what watford should have done cos u aint got a clue. Are these clowns supporters or just pessimistic keyboard mugs with no life? I swear half the comments on ere are from the blind or semi retarded so called supporters who sound like they have never been to a game.
Its fans like these who think managers should be sacked as soon as they have one bad result. Get a grip and support everyone involved in Watford fc... or find something that might be at your level...like tiddlywinks.
Winning these kind of games will get us promoted regardless of who should have started and who should play where. Im sure the coach has reasons and remember he turned our season round last year so we should get behind him rather than post stupid comments about being unhappy etc Nobody on ere is qualified to run a football squad so stop chatting rubbish about tactics or what watford should have done cos u aint got a clue. Are these clowns supporters or just pessimistic keyboard mugs with no life? I swear half the comments on ere are from the blind or semi retarded so called supporters who sound like they have never been to a game. Its fans like these who think managers should be sacked as soon as they have one bad result. Get a grip and support everyone involved in Watford fc... or find something that might be at your level...like tiddlywinks. Tomsyboy
  • Score: 7

12:05am Wed 20 Aug 14

1\1881 says...

..it may have been the half time pie, but as we make our way back down to the promised land of watford, I really felt that tamas and angella seem to be forming a very strong connection, tamas was strong, nimble and read the game very well tonight - touch 'wood' but the guys may have found a way to deal with those last 5 minutes ( nightmares still parade in my mind from last season ) -. Judging the positive body language on the bench tonight my gut tells me we may see a rotation of players again for Saturday - a strategy I hope is going to play the biggest of dividends as we enjoy the rollercoaster of sat - Tues - sat footie. Roll on Saturday and the mighty clan of 1881.
..it may have been the half time pie, but as we make our way back down to the promised land of watford, I really felt that tamas and angella seem to be forming a very strong connection, tamas was strong, nimble and read the game very well tonight - touch 'wood' but the guys may have found a way to deal with those last 5 minutes ( nightmares still parade in my mind from last season ) -. Judging the positive body language on the bench tonight my gut tells me we may see a rotation of players again for Saturday - a strategy I hope is going to play the biggest of dividends as we enjoy the rollercoaster of sat - Tues - sat footie. Roll on Saturday and the mighty clan of 1881. 1\1881
  • Score: 16

12:39am Wed 20 Aug 14

The Skeptical Optimist says...

The Sannino doubters are being ridiculous, but any of you with sense will already have figured that out.

There were negatives to draw from today, sure - but criticism of the team selection (with one exception) should not be one of them. Abdi, McGugan and Tozser all played a very long and hard game with a man less only 3 days ago. All that running, all that extra work, and only 3 days to recover from it. It makes perfect sense to rotate them out today given this, especially seeing as Rotherham on paper are a team we can afford to rotate for. And, by the way, the gamble worked! It's true that the Munari/Andrews combination didn't work very well, especially in the first half where Fabbrini and Anya had no support in the middle of midfield, but at the end of the day, the gamble paid off, especially when they took a few more attacking risks in the second half.

One thing which Sannino did get wrong, however, is not starting Dyer. One can understand his frustration! Last season he was arguably the best winger in the Championship. Meanwhile Anya's just returned from injury and the less said about Fabbrini last season the better. Fair enough not to start Dyer in a 3-5-2 because he's not a naturally defensive player - but when it's 4-4-2, really he has to start. He has good grounds to be upset about not having started today, and I hope he gets more starts in the future.
The Sannino doubters are being ridiculous, but any of you with sense will already have figured that out. There were negatives to draw from today, sure - but criticism of the team selection (with one exception) should not be one of them. Abdi, McGugan and Tozser all played a very long and hard game with a man less only 3 days ago. All that running, all that extra work, and only 3 days to recover from it. It makes perfect sense to rotate them out today given this, especially seeing as Rotherham on paper are a team we can afford to rotate for. And, by the way, the gamble worked! It's true that the Munari/Andrews combination didn't work very well, especially in the first half where Fabbrini and Anya had no support in the middle of midfield, but at the end of the day, the gamble paid off, especially when they took a few more attacking risks in the second half. One thing which Sannino did get wrong, however, is not starting Dyer. One can understand his frustration! Last season he was arguably the best winger in the Championship. Meanwhile Anya's just returned from injury and the less said about Fabbrini last season the better. Fair enough not to start Dyer in a 3-5-2 because he's not a naturally defensive player - but when it's 4-4-2, really he has to start. He has good grounds to be upset about not having started today, and I hope he gets more starts in the future. The Skeptical Optimist
  • Score: 19

2:04am Wed 20 Aug 14

Meadey39 says...

1\1881 wrote:
..it may have been the half time pie, but as we make our way back down to the promised land of watford, I really felt that tamas and angella seem to be forming a very strong connection, tamas was strong, nimble and read the game very well tonight - touch 'wood' but the guys may have found a way to deal with those last 5 minutes ( nightmares still parade in my mind from last season ) -. Judging the positive body language on the bench tonight my gut tells me we may see a rotation of players again for Saturday - a strategy I hope is going to play the biggest of dividends as we enjoy the rollercoaster of sat - Tues - sat footie. Roll on Saturday and the mighty clan of 1881.
just don't go changing 5 or 6 players every match. Killed us last season.
[quote][p][bold]1\1881[/bold] wrote: ..it may have been the half time pie, but as we make our way back down to the promised land of watford, I really felt that tamas and angella seem to be forming a very strong connection, tamas was strong, nimble and read the game very well tonight - touch 'wood' but the guys may have found a way to deal with those last 5 minutes ( nightmares still parade in my mind from last season ) -. Judging the positive body language on the bench tonight my gut tells me we may see a rotation of players again for Saturday - a strategy I hope is going to play the biggest of dividends as we enjoy the rollercoaster of sat - Tues - sat footie. Roll on Saturday and the mighty clan of 1881.[/p][/quote]just don't go changing 5 or 6 players every match. Killed us last season. Meadey39
  • Score: 3

6:31am Wed 20 Aug 14

JohnnyHornet says...

InterludeWFC wrote:
Write off the Norwich game as a freak, and its 3 wins from 3, 6 goals scored and 0 conceded. We were superb against Bolton at home, and have won two very tough Tuesday night away fixtures.

There will always be so-called "fans" trying to invent negatives; try not to rise to it.
First comment I have to agree with, The referee influenced the game on Saturday against Norwich so the result can in reality be disregarded, even Man U would have struggled with 10 men against them ( Mind you perhaps Man U aren't a good comparison ), whilst I like to see passion and Dyer obviously felt he had a point to prove, and IMO is too good to leave on the bench, has proved to be a great impact sub so far, I am concerned that the manager and staff may not be in tune with the players, it really is a point of having 22 first team players which Beppe is going to have to deal with. but so far I don't think there is too much to be concerned about, if we get a good result in the next 3 home games ( 2 league and 1 cup ) I am sure there will be some very happy hornets about.
[quote][p][bold]InterludeWFC[/bold] wrote: Write off the Norwich game as a freak, and its 3 wins from 3, 6 goals scored and 0 conceded. We were superb against Bolton at home, and have won two very tough Tuesday night away fixtures. There will always be so-called "fans" trying to invent negatives; try not to rise to it.[/p][/quote]First comment I have to agree with, The referee influenced the game on Saturday against Norwich so the result can in reality be disregarded, even Man U would have struggled with 10 men against them ( Mind you perhaps Man U aren't a good comparison ), whilst I like to see passion and Dyer obviously felt he had a point to prove, and IMO is too good to leave on the bench, has proved to be a great impact sub so far, I am concerned that the manager and staff may not be in tune with the players, it really is a point of having 22 first team players which Beppe is going to have to deal with. but so far I don't think there is too much to be concerned about, if we get a good result in the next 3 home games ( 2 league and 1 cup ) I am sure there will be some very happy hornets about. JohnnyHornet
  • Score: 9

7:17am Wed 20 Aug 14

Watfordwes says...

errollg wrote:
Beppe got his tactics badly wrong tonight, playing 4-4-2, and outnumbered in midfield. We clearly needed width and he had no Plan B. A change to 3-5-2 was obvious. We won because we had quality like Igaho and Dyer to bring on against tired legs. Travelling support was fantastic, didn't stop all match. COYH.
Every fan has insisted we play 2 up top in vydra and Deeney.

That leaves 3 5 2 or 4 4 2 in one of its many forms.

Rotherham played one up at home so 3 centre halfs would have been a waste ...

Oh and we won!!!!
[quote][p][bold]errollg[/bold] wrote: Beppe got his tactics badly wrong tonight, playing 4-4-2, and outnumbered in midfield. We clearly needed width and he had no Plan B. A change to 3-5-2 was obvious. We won because we had quality like Igaho and Dyer to bring on against tired legs. Travelling support was fantastic, didn't stop all match. COYH.[/p][/quote]Every fan has insisted we play 2 up top in vydra and Deeney. That leaves 3 5 2 or 4 4 2 in one of its many forms. Rotherham played one up at home so 3 centre halfs would have been a waste ... Oh and we won!!!! Watfordwes
  • Score: 10

7:24am Wed 20 Aug 14

mellow yellow says...

Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:
Great result but according to sky we were absolutely shocking, barely getting the ball out of our half in the first half. They couldn't believe it when we actually scored with our first real attempt. What do you expect when you change the whole midfield and switch from 3-5-2 to 4-4-2 in the blink of an eye ? Bepe got away with it tonight, let's hope he's learnt his lesson. This could easily have been the equivalent of the Bristol City away game that cost GZ so dearly 2 years ago.
Yes, but it wasn't. Our away form has been dreadful over the last 18 matches, their home form is superb (albeit in a lower division) and he clearly set out a defensive team with a gritty but unimaginative central midfield pairing. Right now, I don't give a monkeys what Sky say. And if Dyer has fight in him, then good. There will, of course, be changes for Saturday as we are at home, and will have a rested Abdi and Tozser... Like many, I am far from convinced with Sannino at the moment, but a wins a win. That comes first.

We don't know what Dyer was told when he signed for us, apart from he knew MV was returning. To me, the fundamental problem with Nani appointing players is that, in effect, people are joining the club without being interviewed by their actual boss. If Sannino is not up to it, the Pozzos will know. If they have any sense, they will have one or two 'ears' in the dressing room... Players they can trust.

Onwards and upwards.
[quote][p][bold]Mickey Quinn, not so thin[/bold] wrote: Great result but according to sky we were absolutely shocking, barely getting the ball out of our half in the first half. They couldn't believe it when we actually scored with our first real attempt. What do you expect when you change the whole midfield and switch from 3-5-2 to 4-4-2 in the blink of an eye ? Bepe got away with it tonight, let's hope he's learnt his lesson. This could easily have been the equivalent of the Bristol City away game that cost GZ so dearly 2 years ago.[/p][/quote]Yes, but it wasn't. Our away form has been dreadful over the last 18 matches, their home form is superb (albeit in a lower division) and he clearly set out a defensive team with a gritty but unimaginative central midfield pairing. Right now, I don't give a monkeys what Sky say. And if Dyer has fight in him, then good. There will, of course, be changes for Saturday as we are at home, and will have a rested Abdi and Tozser... Like many, I am far from convinced with Sannino at the moment, but a wins a win. That comes first. We don't know what Dyer was told when he signed for us, apart from he knew MV was returning. To me, the fundamental problem with Nani appointing players is that, in effect, people are joining the club without being interviewed by their actual boss. If Sannino is not up to it, the Pozzos will know. If they have any sense, they will have one or two 'ears' in the dressing room... Players they can trust. Onwards and upwards. mellow yellow
  • Score: 14

8:10am Wed 20 Aug 14

Stewbyhorn1 says...

It was a difficult game for us last night, we struggled to deal with the consistent long ball over the top but that said we kept a clean sheet. The first half was poor in my opinion and we lacked creativity in midfield but I do understand why changes were made, playing twice a week takes its toll on players and having a large squad allows us to keep fresh legs.
We're only on our third game and it will take time to work out who the strongest team is, let's just get behind the team and enjoy the ride and for the record our fans were outstanding again last night, sung their hearts out and the players appreciated it .
It was a difficult game for us last night, we struggled to deal with the consistent long ball over the top but that said we kept a clean sheet. The first half was poor in my opinion and we lacked creativity in midfield but I do understand why changes were made, playing twice a week takes its toll on players and having a large squad allows us to keep fresh legs. We're only on our third game and it will take time to work out who the strongest team is, let's just get behind the team and enjoy the ride and for the record our fans were outstanding again last night, sung their hearts out and the players appreciated it . Stewbyhorn1
  • Score: 11

9:20am Wed 20 Aug 14

SAHornet says...

Tomsyboy wrote:
Winning these kind of games will get us promoted regardless of who should have started and who should play where. Im sure the coach has reasons and remember he turned our season round last year so we should get behind him rather than post stupid comments about being unhappy etc Nobody on ere is qualified to run a football squad so stop chatting rubbish about tactics or what watford should have done cos u aint got a clue. Are these clowns supporters or just pessimistic keyboard mugs with no life? I swear half the comments on ere are from the blind or semi retarded so called supporters who sound like they have never been to a game.
Its fans like these who think managers should be sacked as soon as they have one bad result. Get a grip and support everyone involved in Watford fc... or find something that might be at your level...like tiddlywinks.
Dan, is that you ?
[quote][p][bold]Tomsyboy[/bold] wrote: Winning these kind of games will get us promoted regardless of who should have started and who should play where. Im sure the coach has reasons and remember he turned our season round last year so we should get behind him rather than post stupid comments about being unhappy etc Nobody on ere is qualified to run a football squad so stop chatting rubbish about tactics or what watford should have done cos u aint got a clue. Are these clowns supporters or just pessimistic keyboard mugs with no life? I swear half the comments on ere are from the blind or semi retarded so called supporters who sound like they have never been to a game. Its fans like these who think managers should be sacked as soon as they have one bad result. Get a grip and support everyone involved in Watford fc... or find something that might be at your level...like tiddlywinks.[/p][/quote]Dan, is that you ? SAHornet
  • Score: -2

10:15am Wed 20 Aug 14

Kenfurphy says...

We need to remember this game when we play well and don’t get what we deserve. Sannino was very fortunate and we could have been two down at half time. Playing two defensive midfield players just invited them onto us. Bringing Dyer and Ighalo made the difference. Ighalo held the ball up and played much better as a partnership with Denney. Dyer can defend and attack. Sorry although Hoban made the second goal his overall performance was average –distribution was very poor- he is a centre back and not a left back.
Like many others I am not convinced about Sannino
We need to remember this game when we play well and don’t get what we deserve. Sannino was very fortunate and we could have been two down at half time. Playing two defensive midfield players just invited them onto us. Bringing Dyer and Ighalo made the difference. Ighalo held the ball up and played much better as a partnership with Denney. Dyer can defend and attack. Sorry although Hoban made the second goal his overall performance was average –distribution was very poor- he is a centre back and not a left back. Like many others I am not convinced about Sannino Kenfurphy
  • Score: -1

10:55am Wed 20 Aug 14

neil-bs says...

EltonForever wrote:
The proof is in the pudding.

Credit where credit is due.

Three points will do for me!!
The proof of the pudding is in the eating. For god's sake!
[quote][p][bold]EltonForever[/bold] wrote: The proof is in the pudding. Credit where credit is due. Three points will do for me!![/p][/quote]The proof of the pudding is in the eating. For god's sake! neil-bs
  • Score: -1

11:24am Wed 20 Aug 14

MainStandShambles says...

Boy am I glad I held off posting until this morning, there was so much rubbish spouted all round last night mainly from twits (how apt that is) following the game on the WO site.

Many good, reasoned comments on here this morning from people like Stoney. jason, Tomsyboy, stewby, mellow, wes, Johnny and Skeptical, all well conveyed.

We were on a hiding to nothing last night in all honesty, Rotherham are a club on a big roll after 2 promotions, a new stadium with increased support, a very strong record at home and they beat one of the largest clubs in the Championship last Saturday whereas we played at Norwich for 87 minutes with 10 men so five changes by Sannino for a match three days later was not really unexpected, was it. After all, isn't that why we've got the large squad of 'better' players this season that some Hornet fans were crying out for?

As for the tactics and formation our Plan B was implemented with four at the back and Vydra close to Deeney in a two up front, again, as so many people have wanted. Some people seem to forget that there are two teams on a pitch and it's not just a question of us turning up and getting it all our own way which explains why the service wasn't forthcoming to the forwards.

Credit should go to Sannino for the substitutions with timing and personnel. He's also shown that he's not afraid to replace popular players like Vydra or rest Abdi for example.

As for Dyer's reaction to scoring, fair enough but it is a squad game these days so I hope he doesn't sulk when he's next on the bench because there are a lot of games between now and next May.

3 points, a clean sheet and we're near the top of the table so it must have been a good night. Roll on Saturday and let's stop Leeds turning their corner any more.
Boy am I glad I held off posting until this morning, there was so much rubbish spouted all round last night mainly from twits (how apt that is) following the game on the WO site. Many good, reasoned comments on here this morning from people like Stoney. jason, Tomsyboy, stewby, mellow, wes, Johnny and Skeptical, all well conveyed. We were on a hiding to nothing last night in all honesty, Rotherham are a club on a big roll after 2 promotions, a new stadium with increased support, a very strong record at home and they beat one of the largest clubs in the Championship last Saturday whereas we played at Norwich for 87 minutes with 10 men so five changes by Sannino for a match three days later was not really unexpected, was it. After all, isn't that why we've got the large squad of 'better' players this season that some Hornet fans were crying out for? As for the tactics and formation our Plan B was implemented with four at the back and Vydra close to Deeney in a two up front, again, as so many people have wanted. Some people seem to forget that there are two teams on a pitch and it's not just a question of us turning up and getting it all our own way which explains why the service wasn't forthcoming to the forwards. Credit should go to Sannino for the substitutions with timing and personnel. He's also shown that he's not afraid to replace popular players like Vydra or rest Abdi for example. As for Dyer's reaction to scoring, fair enough but it is a squad game these days so I hope he doesn't sulk when he's next on the bench because there are a lot of games between now and next May. 3 points, a clean sheet and we're near the top of the table so it must have been a good night. Roll on Saturday and let's stop Leeds turning their corner any more. MainStandShambles
  • Score: 13

11:38am Wed 20 Aug 14

Stewbyhorn1 says...

MainStandShambles wrote:
Boy am I glad I held off posting until this morning, there was so much rubbish spouted all round last night mainly from twits (how apt that is) following the game on the WO site.

Many good, reasoned comments on here this morning from people like Stoney. jason, Tomsyboy, stewby, mellow, wes, Johnny and Skeptical, all well conveyed.

We were on a hiding to nothing last night in all honesty, Rotherham are a club on a big roll after 2 promotions, a new stadium with increased support, a very strong record at home and they beat one of the largest clubs in the Championship last Saturday whereas we played at Norwich for 87 minutes with 10 men so five changes by Sannino for a match three days later was not really unexpected, was it. After all, isn't that why we've got the large squad of 'better' players this season that some Hornet fans were crying out for?

As for the tactics and formation our Plan B was implemented with four at the back and Vydra close to Deeney in a two up front, again, as so many people have wanted. Some people seem to forget that there are two teams on a pitch and it's not just a question of us turning up and getting it all our own way which explains why the service wasn't forthcoming to the forwards.

Credit should go to Sannino for the substitutions with timing and personnel. He's also shown that he's not afraid to replace popular players like Vydra or rest Abdi for example.

As for Dyer's reaction to scoring, fair enough but it is a squad game these days so I hope he doesn't sulk when he's next on the bench because there are a lot of games between now and next May.

3 points, a clean sheet and we're near the top of the table so it must have been a good night. Roll on Saturday and let's stop Leeds turning their corner any more.
Well said that man!
[quote][p][bold]MainStandShambles[/bold] wrote: Boy am I glad I held off posting until this morning, there was so much rubbish spouted all round last night mainly from twits (how apt that is) following the game on the WO site. Many good, reasoned comments on here this morning from people like Stoney. jason, Tomsyboy, stewby, mellow, wes, Johnny and Skeptical, all well conveyed. We were on a hiding to nothing last night in all honesty, Rotherham are a club on a big roll after 2 promotions, a new stadium with increased support, a very strong record at home and they beat one of the largest clubs in the Championship last Saturday whereas we played at Norwich for 87 minutes with 10 men so five changes by Sannino for a match three days later was not really unexpected, was it. After all, isn't that why we've got the large squad of 'better' players this season that some Hornet fans were crying out for? As for the tactics and formation our Plan B was implemented with four at the back and Vydra close to Deeney in a two up front, again, as so many people have wanted. Some people seem to forget that there are two teams on a pitch and it's not just a question of us turning up and getting it all our own way which explains why the service wasn't forthcoming to the forwards. Credit should go to Sannino for the substitutions with timing and personnel. He's also shown that he's not afraid to replace popular players like Vydra or rest Abdi for example. As for Dyer's reaction to scoring, fair enough but it is a squad game these days so I hope he doesn't sulk when he's next on the bench because there are a lot of games between now and next May. 3 points, a clean sheet and we're near the top of the table so it must have been a good night. Roll on Saturday and let's stop Leeds turning their corner any more.[/p][/quote]Well said that man! Stewbyhorn1
  • Score: 11

12:19pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Bush Hornet says...

MainStandShambles wrote:
Boy am I glad I held off posting until this morning, there was so much rubbish spouted all round last night mainly from twits (how apt that is) following the game on the WO site.

Many good, reasoned comments on here this morning from people like Stoney. jason, Tomsyboy, stewby, mellow, wes, Johnny and Skeptical, all well conveyed.

We were on a hiding to nothing last night in all honesty, Rotherham are a club on a big roll after 2 promotions, a new stadium with increased support, a very strong record at home and they beat one of the largest clubs in the Championship last Saturday whereas we played at Norwich for 87 minutes with 10 men so five changes by Sannino for a match three days later was not really unexpected, was it. After all, isn't that why we've got the large squad of 'better' players this season that some Hornet fans were crying out for?

As for the tactics and formation our Plan B was implemented with four at the back and Vydra close to Deeney in a two up front, again, as so many people have wanted. Some people seem to forget that there are two teams on a pitch and it's not just a question of us turning up and getting it all our own way which explains why the service wasn't forthcoming to the forwards.

Credit should go to Sannino for the substitutions with timing and personnel. He's also shown that he's not afraid to replace popular players like Vydra or rest Abdi for example.

As for Dyer's reaction to scoring, fair enough but it is a squad game these days so I hope he doesn't sulk when he's next on the bench because there are a lot of games between now and next May.

3 points, a clean sheet and we're near the top of the table so it must have been a good night. Roll on Saturday and let's stop Leeds turning their corner any more.
Agree. I'm interested to see how Beppe deals with this supposed unrest. I've got no problem with him rotating his squad. It's how you do it that matters. We are not this season's Burnley, we have a big squad. It could and should be a big advantage
[quote][p][bold]MainStandShambles[/bold] wrote: Boy am I glad I held off posting until this morning, there was so much rubbish spouted all round last night mainly from twits (how apt that is) following the game on the WO site. Many good, reasoned comments on here this morning from people like Stoney. jason, Tomsyboy, stewby, mellow, wes, Johnny and Skeptical, all well conveyed. We were on a hiding to nothing last night in all honesty, Rotherham are a club on a big roll after 2 promotions, a new stadium with increased support, a very strong record at home and they beat one of the largest clubs in the Championship last Saturday whereas we played at Norwich for 87 minutes with 10 men so five changes by Sannino for a match three days later was not really unexpected, was it. After all, isn't that why we've got the large squad of 'better' players this season that some Hornet fans were crying out for? As for the tactics and formation our Plan B was implemented with four at the back and Vydra close to Deeney in a two up front, again, as so many people have wanted. Some people seem to forget that there are two teams on a pitch and it's not just a question of us turning up and getting it all our own way which explains why the service wasn't forthcoming to the forwards. Credit should go to Sannino for the substitutions with timing and personnel. He's also shown that he's not afraid to replace popular players like Vydra or rest Abdi for example. As for Dyer's reaction to scoring, fair enough but it is a squad game these days so I hope he doesn't sulk when he's next on the bench because there are a lot of games between now and next May. 3 points, a clean sheet and we're near the top of the table so it must have been a good night. Roll on Saturday and let's stop Leeds turning their corner any more.[/p][/quote]Agree. I'm interested to see how Beppe deals with this supposed unrest. I've got no problem with him rotating his squad. It's how you do it that matters. We are not this season's Burnley, we have a big squad. It could and should be a big advantage Bush Hornet
  • Score: 8

12:28pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Cuetip says...

Hornet1970 wrote:
Good gritty win, hoban sounded good and dyer needs to start and told beppe so. Too many changes again but hey we got away with it!!
COYH
Three points and up and away

With the newcomers it seems that everyone is playing for their position which can be good but also unsettling if we need stability and consistency.

Front two are working well which is perhaps an indication of where the argument should go especially for the defense.
[quote][p][bold]Hornet1970[/bold] wrote: Good gritty win, hoban sounded good and dyer needs to start and told beppe so. Too many changes again but hey we got away with it!! COYH[/p][/quote]Three points and up and away With the newcomers it seems that everyone is playing for their position which can be good but also unsettling if we need stability and consistency. Front two are working well which is perhaps an indication of where the argument should go especially for the defense. Cuetip
  • Score: 0

12:55pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Chris the Vic says...

OMG the 'moaners' are at it again and only after three league games.

Over the last two years I have questioned the sense in employing Nani as have many others. During that time we have signed several really good players such as Vydra, Cassetti, Almunia, Abdi etc and quite a lot of duds many of whom have been sourced by the Udinese scouts.

Since Sannino has arrived we have signed , Andrews, Tamas, Dyer, Gomes etc all of whom look good along with several others from Udinese/Granada including Vydra and Tozser. I think overall those players have improved our squad and the starting eleven. We have won two games and lost another mainly due to the utter stupidity of Joel, which was really outside of Saninos control. methinks at this stage of the season we need to back the manager and the team and replace a few of the supporters.
OMG the 'moaners' are at it again and only after three league games. Over the last two years I have questioned the sense in employing Nani as have many others. During that time we have signed several really good players such as Vydra, Cassetti, Almunia, Abdi etc and quite a lot of duds many of whom have been sourced by the Udinese scouts. Since Sannino has arrived we have signed , Andrews, Tamas, Dyer, Gomes etc all of whom look good along with several others from Udinese/Granada including Vydra and Tozser. I think overall those players have improved our squad and the starting eleven. We have won two games and lost another mainly due to the utter stupidity of Joel, which was really outside of Saninos control. methinks at this stage of the season we need to back the manager and the team and replace a few of the supporters. Chris the Vic
  • Score: 13

3:34pm Wed 20 Aug 14

lutondown says...

SAHornet wrote:
Tomsyboy wrote:
Winning these kind of games will get us promoted regardless of who should have started and who should play where. Im sure the coach has reasons and remember he turned our season round last year so we should get behind him rather than post stupid comments about being unhappy etc Nobody on ere is qualified to run a football squad so stop chatting rubbish about tactics or what watford should have done cos u aint got a clue. Are these clowns supporters or just pessimistic keyboard mugs with no life? I swear half the comments on ere are from the blind or semi retarded so called supporters who sound like they have never been to a game.
Its fans like these who think managers should be sacked as soon as they have one bad result. Get a grip and support everyone involved in Watford fc... or find something that might be at your level...like tiddlywinks.
Dan, is that you ?
Unfair Dave
[quote][p][bold]SAHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tomsyboy[/bold] wrote: Winning these kind of games will get us promoted regardless of who should have started and who should play where. Im sure the coach has reasons and remember he turned our season round last year so we should get behind him rather than post stupid comments about being unhappy etc Nobody on ere is qualified to run a football squad so stop chatting rubbish about tactics or what watford should have done cos u aint got a clue. Are these clowns supporters or just pessimistic keyboard mugs with no life? I swear half the comments on ere are from the blind or semi retarded so called supporters who sound like they have never been to a game. Its fans like these who think managers should be sacked as soon as they have one bad result. Get a grip and support everyone involved in Watford fc... or find something that might be at your level...like tiddlywinks.[/p][/quote]Dan, is that you ?[/p][/quote]Unfair Dave lutondown
  • Score: 0

3:35pm Wed 20 Aug 14

lutondown says...

Chris the Vic wrote:
OMG the 'moaners' are at it again and only after three league games.

Over the last two years I have questioned the sense in employing Nani as have many others. During that time we have signed several really good players such as Vydra, Cassetti, Almunia, Abdi etc and quite a lot of duds many of whom have been sourced by the Udinese scouts.

Since Sannino has arrived we have signed , Andrews, Tamas, Dyer, Gomes etc all of whom look good along with several others from Udinese/Granada including Vydra and Tozser. I think overall those players have improved our squad and the starting eleven. We have won two games and lost another mainly due to the utter stupidity of Joel, which was really outside of Saninos control. methinks at this stage of the season we need to back the manager and the team and replace a few of the supporters.
Starting with you
[quote][p][bold]Chris the Vic[/bold] wrote: OMG the 'moaners' are at it again and only after three league games. Over the last two years I have questioned the sense in employing Nani as have many others. During that time we have signed several really good players such as Vydra, Cassetti, Almunia, Abdi etc and quite a lot of duds many of whom have been sourced by the Udinese scouts. Since Sannino has arrived we have signed , Andrews, Tamas, Dyer, Gomes etc all of whom look good along with several others from Udinese/Granada including Vydra and Tozser. I think overall those players have improved our squad and the starting eleven. We have won two games and lost another mainly due to the utter stupidity of Joel, which was really outside of Saninos control. methinks at this stage of the season we need to back the manager and the team and replace a few of the supporters.[/p][/quote]Starting with you lutondown
  • Score: -5

5:19pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Mickey Quinn, not so thin says...

mellow yellow wrote:
Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:
Great result but according to sky we were absolutely shocking, barely getting the ball out of our half in the first half. They couldn't believe it when we actually scored with our first real attempt. What do you expect when you change the whole midfield and switch from 3-5-2 to 4-4-2 in the blink of an eye ? Bepe got away with it tonight, let's hope he's learnt his lesson. This could easily have been the equivalent of the Bristol City away game that cost GZ so dearly 2 years ago.
Yes, but it wasn't. Our away form has been dreadful over the last 18 matches, their home form is superb (albeit in a lower division) and he clearly set out a defensive team with a gritty but unimaginative central midfield pairing. Right now, I don't give a monkeys what Sky say. And if Dyer has fight in him, then good. There will, of course, be changes for Saturday as we are at home, and will have a rested Abdi and Tozser... Like many, I am far from convinced with Sannino at the moment, but a wins a win. That comes first.

We don't know what Dyer was told when he signed for us, apart from he knew MV was returning. To me, the fundamental problem with Nani appointing players is that, in effect, people are joining the club without being interviewed by their actual boss. If Sannino is not up to it, the Pozzos will know. If they have any sense, they will have one or two 'ears' in the dressing room... Players they can trust.

Onwards and upwards.
It wasn't - but only through complete luck. If you aren't concerned that we barely got the ball out of our half in the first half and were described as "shocking", then fine. We won yes, but the point is we will lose 9 out of every 10 if we play that poorly.
[quote][p][bold]mellow yellow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mickey Quinn, not so thin[/bold] wrote: Great result but according to sky we were absolutely shocking, barely getting the ball out of our half in the first half. They couldn't believe it when we actually scored with our first real attempt. What do you expect when you change the whole midfield and switch from 3-5-2 to 4-4-2 in the blink of an eye ? Bepe got away with it tonight, let's hope he's learnt his lesson. This could easily have been the equivalent of the Bristol City away game that cost GZ so dearly 2 years ago.[/p][/quote]Yes, but it wasn't. Our away form has been dreadful over the last 18 matches, their home form is superb (albeit in a lower division) and he clearly set out a defensive team with a gritty but unimaginative central midfield pairing. Right now, I don't give a monkeys what Sky say. And if Dyer has fight in him, then good. There will, of course, be changes for Saturday as we are at home, and will have a rested Abdi and Tozser... Like many, I am far from convinced with Sannino at the moment, but a wins a win. That comes first. We don't know what Dyer was told when he signed for us, apart from he knew MV was returning. To me, the fundamental problem with Nani appointing players is that, in effect, people are joining the club without being interviewed by their actual boss. If Sannino is not up to it, the Pozzos will know. If they have any sense, they will have one or two 'ears' in the dressing room... Players they can trust. Onwards and upwards.[/p][/quote]It wasn't - but only through complete luck. If you aren't concerned that we barely got the ball out of our half in the first half and were described as "shocking", then fine. We won yes, but the point is we will lose 9 out of every 10 if we play that poorly. Mickey Quinn, not so thin
  • Score: -2

10:24pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Andy Bricket Wood says...

Just a thought. I was at Rotherham last night. Firstly did not expect the changes to the team sheet. However in recent seasons when squad rotation took place usually lesser players played not this season due to the all round extra quality therefore I waited to see what happened. Listening to the Rotherham supporters prior to the match they were hoping to get a least a draw . Watford supporters on the other hand expected a win against poorer oppostion and to overrun them with their quality.
The match started and like most wfc supporters I was disappointed with our attacking display. Much improved in the second half and as with most the 3 pts.
After the match and knowing the result and being able to analyse what I had watched without the emotion I concluded the following.
Defensively we were very good, a few scares but half chances only bjt we were tbe away side. Did they really hurt us get behind us long shots
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Just a thought. I was at Rotherham last night. Firstly did not expect the changes to the team sheet. However in recent seasons when squad rotation took place usually lesser players played not this season due to the all round extra quality therefore I waited to see what happened. Listening to the Rotherham supporters prior to the match they were hoping to get a least a draw . Watford supporters on the other hand expected a win against poorer oppostion and to overrun them with their quality. The match started and like most wfc supporters I was disappointed with our attacking display. Much improved in the second half and as with most the 3 pts. After the match and knowing the result and being able to analyse what I had watched without the emotion I concluded the following. Defensively we were very good, a few scares but half chances only bjt we were tbe away side. Did they really hurt us get behind us long shots . Andy Bricket Wood
  • Score: 1

10:40pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Andy Bricket Wood says...

At best.
What of Rotherham? A big physical side big centre forward, big centre halves, constant long throws into our box. Was it really a night for abdi and mcgugan, before the match yes during and after perhaps no, that's perhaps the beauty of our squad. I fully expect them to play against leeds with Toszer. Totally different situation.
I for one would love to get promoted playing freefllwing attractive football but we will need all of our players this season.
One last note, we all have our formations and favourite players but in our minds eye it is how they can play not how they do play and as the great GT said only the managers team actually plays!!!!!
At best. What of Rotherham? A big physical side big centre forward, big centre halves, constant long throws into our box. Was it really a night for abdi and mcgugan, before the match yes during and after perhaps no, that's perhaps the beauty of our squad. I fully expect them to play against leeds with Toszer. Totally different situation. I for one would love to get promoted playing freefllwing attractive football but we will need all of our players this season. One last note, we all have our formations and favourite players but in our minds eye it is how they can play not how they do play and as the great GT said only the managers team actually plays!!!!! Andy Bricket Wood
  • Score: 1

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