Watford defender Tommie Hoban: Dealing with competition for places is 'part of the job'

Hoban: Watford could name two Championship XIs

Hoban: Watford could name two Championship XIs

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Tommie Hoban believes Watford’s incredible strength in depth means they could name two different line-ups capable of competing in the Championship.

Hoban says the impressive competition for places does leave players disappointed but accepts it is “part of the job”.

The 20-year-old is a superb talent but has been limited to one Championship start and one League Cup outing this season due to the selection of the more experienced Gabriele Angella, Joel Ekstrand and Gabriel Tamas.

The Watford dressing room isn’t a happy one currently and head coach Beppe Sannino is under pressure as a number of senior players are disgruntled with the Italian (see back Page).

One of those, Lloyd Dyer, publicly vented his dissatisfaction on Tuesday night during the Golden Boys’ 2-0 win against Rotherham United.

The winger was named on the bench but came on and opened the scoring. He celebrated by running halfway across the pitch and angrily shouting at Sannino.

It was an incident that overshadowed the victory, which was achieved after Sannino had made five changes to the side which had lost to Norwich City on Saturday.

Hoban was one of those players who came into the team and he was asked after the game whether players were unhappy with a lack of match time.

He said: “Everyone wants to be playing week-in, week-out but everyone knows there is a lot of competition this year and people will be disappointed if they’re not starting.

“Everyone is professional though, and everyone is training hard in the week to get a chance. Tonight the manager changed it up and gave other players a chance to go out with fresh legs.

“It can be disappointing when you train hard and do not make the starting XI but you have to deal with that, it’s part of the job.

“When you are called upon you have to do your best for the team.”

Hoban was deployed at left-back against the Millers, a position he admits he has barely played in during his career.

Despite the unfamiliar role, the Academy graduate produced a man-of-the-match display.

When asked if he and the other players who came into the side had a point to prove to Sannino, Hoban replied: “Yes, but I think that is always the case. The squad we have this year is unbelievable and I think we have two starting XIs that could play in the Championship in my opinion.

“There is a lot of competition but it’s good the manager gave us a chance tonight and to come away with three points is very good for us all.”

Sannino’s aggressive manner around Watford’s training ground is understood to have upset a number of the Hornets’ senior professionals. They are also unhappy with how he communicates with the squad. When asked about the morale in the Hornets’ dressing room, Hoban said: “Everyone was a bit disappointed after Saturday. After a good start against Bolton and Stevenage, to lose like we did at Norwich was a bit disappointing.

“The last couple of days, we were maybe a bit down but from yesterday onwards everyone has forgotten about it and have been getting up for this match.

“A good win like this will help everyone and the morale in the dressing room will be back up again.”

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1:22pm Fri 22 Aug 14

Smilingburkinshaw says...

The more I think about it the more I think Dyer was bang out of order. After reading young Tommy, that's the attitude you should have. He hasn't been starting but went about his business in a professional way! He understands Sannino can't start 28 people but hasn't thrown his toys out of the pram!
The more I think about it the more I think Dyer was bang out of order. After reading young Tommy, that's the attitude you should have. He hasn't been starting but went about his business in a professional way! He understands Sannino can't start 28 people but hasn't thrown his toys out of the pram! Smilingburkinshaw
  • Score: 58

1:32pm Fri 22 Aug 14

harryhornet says...

Can't help thinking Frank is stirring. He keeps mentioning unrest but Hoban didn't bite when asked about it so why mention it in this article as well as everywhere else? We get the point Frank - you think there's unrest. You've made that clear, now lets see if anything comes from it and if it does, then you were right, but its simply not relevant in the context of this interview.
Can't help thinking Frank is stirring. He keeps mentioning unrest but Hoban didn't bite when asked about it so why mention it in this article as well as everywhere else? We get the point Frank - you think there's unrest. You've made that clear, now lets see if anything comes from it and if it does, then you were right, but its simply not relevant in the context of this interview. harryhornet
  • Score: 41

1:33pm Fri 22 Aug 14

SamTheEagle says...

Dyer went straight off after the Bolton game and didn't acknowledge the fans. I wondered why, as he is a very good player, Leicester only offered him a one year contract? We may be seeing why now!
Dyer went straight off after the Bolton game and didn't acknowledge the fans. I wondered why, as he is a very good player, Leicester only offered him a one year contract? We may be seeing why now! SamTheEagle
  • Score: 21

1:34pm Fri 22 Aug 14

neilhorn says...

Smilingburkinshaw wrote:
The more I think about it the more I think Dyer was bang out of order. After reading young Tommy, that's the attitude you should have. He hasn't been starting but went about his business in a professional way! He understands Sannino can't start 28 people but hasn't thrown his toys out of the pram!
yes, I think Dyer is out of order too. Good player but he only came to us because we offered him a 3 year deal when no-one else did. If he doesn't like the way Sannino runs his team, he can go, no problem at all. Same goes for anyone else, whoever they are.
I'd rather get relegated than watch players running over shouting obscenities at our manager in public, what an embarrassment.
[quote][p][bold]Smilingburkinshaw[/bold] wrote: The more I think about it the more I think Dyer was bang out of order. After reading young Tommy, that's the attitude you should have. He hasn't been starting but went about his business in a professional way! He understands Sannino can't start 28 people but hasn't thrown his toys out of the pram![/p][/quote]yes, I think Dyer is out of order too. Good player but he only came to us because we offered him a 3 year deal when no-one else did. If he doesn't like the way Sannino runs his team, he can go, no problem at all. Same goes for anyone else, whoever they are. I'd rather get relegated than watch players running over shouting obscenities at our manager in public, what an embarrassment. neilhorn
  • Score: 76

1:51pm Fri 22 Aug 14

The_Hornet says...

Well let's just hope that Sannino puts Hoban in the main team.
Well let's just hope that Sannino puts Hoban in the main team. The_Hornet
  • Score: 30

1:52pm Fri 22 Aug 14

Mickey Quinn, not so thin says...

harryhornet wrote:
Can't help thinking Frank is stirring. He keeps mentioning unrest but Hoban didn't bite when asked about it so why mention it in this article as well as everywhere else? We get the point Frank - you think there's unrest. You've made that clear, now lets see if anything comes from it and if it does, then you were right, but its simply not relevant in the context of this interview.
Tommie is hardly going to say in interview that there is unrest in the camp is he ??!! Not if he wants to get another game under BS !!
[quote][p][bold]harryhornet[/bold] wrote: Can't help thinking Frank is stirring. He keeps mentioning unrest but Hoban didn't bite when asked about it so why mention it in this article as well as everywhere else? We get the point Frank - you think there's unrest. You've made that clear, now lets see if anything comes from it and if it does, then you were right, but its simply not relevant in the context of this interview.[/p][/quote]Tommie is hardly going to say in interview that there is unrest in the camp is he ??!! Not if he wants to get another game under BS !! Mickey Quinn, not so thin
  • Score: 6

1:56pm Fri 22 Aug 14

McHornet says...

We've all worked for bosses we don't like, but you get your head down and work hard... Agreed Dyer was well out of order. If you wanna b*llock the manager, you do it behind closed doors, not in the public eye. scoring goals and playing well will get you a start, what dyer did may have the opposite effect.
We've all worked for bosses we don't like, but you get your head down and work hard... Agreed Dyer was well out of order. If you wanna b*llock the manager, you do it behind closed doors, not in the public eye. scoring goals and playing well will get you a start, what dyer did may have the opposite effect. McHornet
  • Score: 23

2:02pm Fri 22 Aug 14

AMP4WFC says...

Hoban is only 20 years old but seems to have the experience of a 30-year old player. That´s the way to go. Fight your heart out for the club that pays you your salary and accept the managers choices. If you don´t get picked then train even harder. TTWII
Hoban is only 20 years old but seems to have the experience of a 30-year old player. That´s the way to go. Fight your heart out for the club that pays you your salary and accept the managers choices. If you don´t get picked then train even harder. TTWII AMP4WFC
  • Score: 31

2:03pm Fri 22 Aug 14

soulfulhornet says...

I hope Tommy is in the starting line-up Saturday and Lloyd Dyer too. Tommy took his opportunity two seasons back and it was a serious set back to the defence when he got injured.

Dyer will be fired and up and has something to prove. If Leeds' defence is as slow as in recent years, Dyers', Anya's, Paredes' and one of Vydra's or Igalho's pace could tear them to pieces.
I hope Tommy is in the starting line-up Saturday and Lloyd Dyer too. Tommy took his opportunity two seasons back and it was a serious set back to the defence when he got injured. Dyer will be fired and up and has something to prove. If Leeds' defence is as slow as in recent years, Dyers', Anya's, Paredes' and one of Vydra's or Igalho's pace could tear them to pieces. soulfulhornet
  • Score: 13

2:04pm Fri 22 Aug 14

cbuk1983 says...

Smilingburkinshaw wrote:
The more I think about it the more I think Dyer was bang out of order. After reading young Tommy, that's the attitude you should have. He hasn't been starting but went about his business in a professional way! He understands Sannino can't start 28 people but hasn't thrown his toys out of the pram!
Fact is, not one of us knows the real reason he did what he did. Might be more than a simple case of 'not starting'!
[quote][p][bold]Smilingburkinshaw[/bold] wrote: The more I think about it the more I think Dyer was bang out of order. After reading young Tommy, that's the attitude you should have. He hasn't been starting but went about his business in a professional way! He understands Sannino can't start 28 people but hasn't thrown his toys out of the pram![/p][/quote]Fact is, not one of us knows the real reason he did what he did. Might be more than a simple case of 'not starting'! cbuk1983
  • Score: 9

2:30pm Fri 22 Aug 14

Urban Bear says...

What a refreshingly mature attitude. Well said Tommy.
What a refreshingly mature attitude. Well said Tommy. Urban Bear
  • Score: 28

3:04pm Fri 22 Aug 14

Bobbyhowfield says...

Dyer shouting at Bepe didn't sour my evening in the slightest.
I had the best peppered steak pie I've ever had at a football ground.
And as a bonus we got completely outplayed for seventy minutes and snuck off with 3 points.. !!
Happy days.
Dyer shouting at Bepe didn't sour my evening in the slightest. I had the best peppered steak pie I've ever had at a football ground. And as a bonus we got completely outplayed for seventy minutes and snuck off with 3 points.. !! Happy days. Bobbyhowfield
  • Score: 29

3:26pm Fri 22 Aug 14

Harry's Bar says...

A good example of how to deflect questions from a journalist who's hell bent on troublemaking, no doubt with an eye on self advancement.
A good example of how to deflect questions from a journalist who's hell bent on troublemaking, no doubt with an eye on self advancement. Harry's Bar
  • Score: 2

4:34pm Fri 22 Aug 14

harryhornet says...

Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:
harryhornet wrote:
Can't help thinking Frank is stirring. He keeps mentioning unrest but Hoban didn't bite when asked about it so why mention it in this article as well as everywhere else? We get the point Frank - you think there's unrest. You've made that clear, now lets see if anything comes from it and if it does, then you were right, but its simply not relevant in the context of this interview.
Tommie is hardly going to say in interview that there is unrest in the camp is he ??!! Not if he wants to get another game under BS !!
Completely agree. I think Hoban answered in the way you'd expect him to. What I don't understand is that, given he didn't comment on the unrest, why Frank included that reference in an article that was about the strength of the squad.
[quote][p][bold]Mickey Quinn, not so thin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]harryhornet[/bold] wrote: Can't help thinking Frank is stirring. He keeps mentioning unrest but Hoban didn't bite when asked about it so why mention it in this article as well as everywhere else? We get the point Frank - you think there's unrest. You've made that clear, now lets see if anything comes from it and if it does, then you were right, but its simply not relevant in the context of this interview.[/p][/quote]Tommie is hardly going to say in interview that there is unrest in the camp is he ??!! Not if he wants to get another game under BS !![/p][/quote]Completely agree. I think Hoban answered in the way you'd expect him to. What I don't understand is that, given he didn't comment on the unrest, why Frank included that reference in an article that was about the strength of the squad. harryhornet
  • Score: 0

4:50pm Fri 22 Aug 14

Hampshire hornet says...

harryhornet wrote:
Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:
harryhornet wrote:
Can't help thinking Frank is stirring. He keeps mentioning unrest but Hoban didn't bite when asked about it so why mention it in this article as well as everywhere else? We get the point Frank - you think there's unrest. You've made that clear, now lets see if anything comes from it and if it does, then you were right, but its simply not relevant in the context of this interview.
Tommie is hardly going to say in interview that there is unrest in the camp is he ??!! Not if he wants to get another game under BS !!
Completely agree. I think Hoban answered in the way you'd expect him to. What I don't understand is that, given he didn't comment on the unrest, why Frank included that reference in an article that was about the strength of the squad.
It is because it is fact - it makes me laugh at the comments on here - and that if anyone dares to mention unrest they get huge amounts of thumbs down .. I quoted after the Udinese game that things appeared "Tense" - the sooner Coco goes the better (I expect at least 60 thumbs down please)
[quote][p][bold]harryhornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mickey Quinn, not so thin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]harryhornet[/bold] wrote: Can't help thinking Frank is stirring. He keeps mentioning unrest but Hoban didn't bite when asked about it so why mention it in this article as well as everywhere else? We get the point Frank - you think there's unrest. You've made that clear, now lets see if anything comes from it and if it does, then you were right, but its simply not relevant in the context of this interview.[/p][/quote]Tommie is hardly going to say in interview that there is unrest in the camp is he ??!! Not if he wants to get another game under BS !![/p][/quote]Completely agree. I think Hoban answered in the way you'd expect him to. What I don't understand is that, given he didn't comment on the unrest, why Frank included that reference in an article that was about the strength of the squad.[/p][/quote]It is because it is fact - it makes me laugh at the comments on here - and that if anyone dares to mention unrest they get huge amounts of thumbs down .. I quoted after the Udinese game that things appeared "Tense" - the sooner Coco goes the better (I expect at least 60 thumbs down please) Hampshire hornet
  • Score: -11

4:51pm Fri 22 Aug 14

andyhooked says...

Is the W.O stirring things up and making a non-story? I can understand some of the squad being pee'd off for not getting regular games. It does not help when the W.O reports alleged dressing room dissatisfaction. What we have is a great squad and great owners. The size of the squad is too big and now it down to Beppe. If we are not in the top 2 by the January transfer window then players will want out. If we are at the top then they should hang on in there hoping for better things in the Prem. I just wish that we are not like kids in a sweet shop and buying players that will not also be pee'd off when they do not start a game.
Is the W.O stirring things up and making a non-story? I can understand some of the squad being pee'd off for not getting regular games. It does not help when the W.O reports alleged dressing room dissatisfaction. What we have is a great squad and great owners. The size of the squad is too big and now it down to Beppe. If we are not in the top 2 by the January transfer window then players will want out. If we are at the top then they should hang on in there hoping for better things in the Prem. I just wish that we are not like kids in a sweet shop and buying players that will not also be pee'd off when they do not start a game. andyhooked
  • Score: -1

4:51pm Fri 22 Aug 14

hornet of the humber says...

the squad needs trimming, yes we have the best squad in the league but we are never going to get promotion with unhappy players, Dyer was unprofessional and should be disciplined appropriately but surely the pozzos and nani saw this coming, I can imagine how half the squad feel when not picked. This is their career and must be demoralising when nearly all our players should be playing week in week out.
There needs to be a meeting between management and players and get this sorted quickly because I fear something like this will deprive us of promotion yet again.
the squad needs trimming, yes we have the best squad in the league but we are never going to get promotion with unhappy players, Dyer was unprofessional and should be disciplined appropriately but surely the pozzos and nani saw this coming, I can imagine how half the squad feel when not picked. This is their career and must be demoralising when nearly all our players should be playing week in week out. There needs to be a meeting between management and players and get this sorted quickly because I fear something like this will deprive us of promotion yet again. hornet of the humber
  • Score: 2

5:03pm Fri 22 Aug 14

lutondown says...

Hampshire hornet wrote:
harryhornet wrote:
Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:
harryhornet wrote:
Can't help thinking Frank is stirring. He keeps mentioning unrest but Hoban didn't bite when asked about it so why mention it in this article as well as everywhere else? We get the point Frank - you think there's unrest. You've made that clear, now lets see if anything comes from it and if it does, then you were right, but its simply not relevant in the context of this interview.
Tommie is hardly going to say in interview that there is unrest in the camp is he ??!! Not if he wants to get another game under BS !!
Completely agree. I think Hoban answered in the way you'd expect him to. What I don't understand is that, given he didn't comment on the unrest, why Frank included that reference in an article that was about the strength of the squad.
It is because it is fact - it makes me laugh at the comments on here - and that if anyone dares to mention unrest they get huge amounts of thumbs down .. I quoted after the Udinese game that things appeared "Tense" - the sooner Coco goes the better (I expect at least 60 thumbs down please)
So the issue at Watford appears not to be Cuckoo the clown or possibly inflated egos in the dressing room..no, it's all Frank Smiths and the WO fault.
These are the same crowd that dribbled over Bas, refused to see that Boofers had lost the plot and hanker for the good old days when the ever dark clouds of bankruptcy gathered overhead.
Don't worry about the thumbs down, embrace them, know that you are not a sheep or a candidate to grow rusty hanging with the other tools.
I'm giving you the greatest accolade I can give a fellow poster..a good thumbing down. All the tools get a thumbs up as it has the same effect on them as red tube has on me.
[quote][p][bold]Hampshire hornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]harryhornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mickey Quinn, not so thin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]harryhornet[/bold] wrote: Can't help thinking Frank is stirring. He keeps mentioning unrest but Hoban didn't bite when asked about it so why mention it in this article as well as everywhere else? We get the point Frank - you think there's unrest. You've made that clear, now lets see if anything comes from it and if it does, then you were right, but its simply not relevant in the context of this interview.[/p][/quote]Tommie is hardly going to say in interview that there is unrest in the camp is he ??!! Not if he wants to get another game under BS !![/p][/quote]Completely agree. I think Hoban answered in the way you'd expect him to. What I don't understand is that, given he didn't comment on the unrest, why Frank included that reference in an article that was about the strength of the squad.[/p][/quote]It is because it is fact - it makes me laugh at the comments on here - and that if anyone dares to mention unrest they get huge amounts of thumbs down .. I quoted after the Udinese game that things appeared "Tense" - the sooner Coco goes the better (I expect at least 60 thumbs down please)[/p][/quote]So the issue at Watford appears not to be Cuckoo the clown or possibly inflated egos in the dressing room..no, it's all Frank Smiths and the WO fault. These are the same crowd that dribbled over Bas, refused to see that Boofers had lost the plot and hanker for the good old days when the ever dark clouds of bankruptcy gathered overhead. Don't worry about the thumbs down, embrace them, know that you are not a sheep or a candidate to grow rusty hanging with the other tools. I'm giving you the greatest accolade I can give a fellow poster..a good thumbing down. All the tools get a thumbs up as it has the same effect on them as red tube has on me. lutondown
  • Score: -1

5:06pm Fri 22 Aug 14

Hampshire hornet says...

oops I gave that a thumbs up _ I apologise
oops I gave that a thumbs up _ I apologise Hampshire hornet
  • Score: 0

5:23pm Fri 22 Aug 14

Paul Gadd says...

The way the players limped out of last season, thinking about holidays etc means I don't agree Lloyd was out of order.......I want players with fire & passion for the mighty hornets....

Don't forget he silenced the management in the best possible way

COYH
The way the players limped out of last season, thinking about holidays etc means I don't agree Lloyd was out of order.......I want players with fire & passion for the mighty hornets.... Don't forget he silenced the management in the best possible way COYH Paul Gadd
  • Score: 0

5:59pm Fri 22 Aug 14

The Skeptical Optimist says...

Hang on, I don't think it's fair to attack Dyer! In my opinion, he's the only player in the Watford squad who really has a valid reason to be miffed when he doesn't get selected...

Hoban's a good player, and I personally would play him above Ekstrand to be honest, but Hoban doesn't have the reputation of being the Championship's best centre back. Yes, his attitude is admirable regardless, but conflating Dyer and Hoban is just silly.

Last year, Dyer was considered by many to be THE best winger in the Championship. He is incredibly talented for our level and has shown on the pitch that he does a good job consistently.

It's true that Dyer is not a naturally defensive player, so I can defend not starting him when we play a 3-5-2. That, to me, is fair enough.

But when you start with a 4-4-2 formation like on Tuesday, Dyer really needs to be starting. he deserves his place in the starting line up if there's a wing position available. Certainly above Anya who has just recovered from an injury and Fabbrini who, whilst looking better than before, has proved nowhere near as effective in the Championship as Dyer has in the past.

For me, I can forgive Dyer's burst of emotion, but I think he's the only player in the squad that would be justified in doing so, in that he's the only player that I think has unjustly been left out of the team. One could still argue that however disappointed you are, you shouldn't do something that causes bad press, like his actions have, and it's a fair point. But ultimately, I think Dyer really should be let off this time.
Hang on, I don't think it's fair to attack Dyer! In my opinion, he's the only player in the Watford squad who really has a valid reason to be miffed when he doesn't get selected... Hoban's a good player, and I personally would play him above Ekstrand to be honest, but Hoban doesn't have the reputation of being the Championship's best centre back. Yes, his attitude is admirable regardless, but conflating Dyer and Hoban is just silly. Last year, Dyer was considered by many to be THE best winger in the Championship. He is incredibly talented for our level and has shown on the pitch that he does a good job consistently. It's true that Dyer is not a naturally defensive player, so I can defend not starting him when we play a 3-5-2. That, to me, is fair enough. But when you start with a 4-4-2 formation like on Tuesday, Dyer really needs to be starting. he deserves his place in the starting line up if there's a wing position available. Certainly above Anya who has just recovered from an injury and Fabbrini who, whilst looking better than before, has proved nowhere near as effective in the Championship as Dyer has in the past. For me, I can forgive Dyer's burst of emotion, but I think he's the only player in the squad that would be justified in doing so, in that he's the only player that I think has unjustly been left out of the team. One could still argue that however disappointed you are, you shouldn't do something that causes bad press, like his actions have, and it's a fair point. But ultimately, I think Dyer really should be let off this time. The Skeptical Optimist
  • Score: 3

6:06pm Fri 22 Aug 14

ralear49 says...

Bobbyhowfield wrote:
Dyer shouting at Bepe didn't sour my evening in the slightest. I had the best peppered steak pie I've ever had at a football ground. And as a bonus we got completely outplayed for seventy minutes and snuck off with 3 points.. !! Happy days.
"Bobby Howfield"? First player I remember being sent off for WFC!! Then he went off to America to be a kicker in the NFL. Good stuff.
[quote][p][bold]Bobbyhowfield[/bold] wrote: Dyer shouting at Bepe didn't sour my evening in the slightest. I had the best peppered steak pie I've ever had at a football ground. And as a bonus we got completely outplayed for seventy minutes and snuck off with 3 points.. !! Happy days.[/p][/quote]"Bobby Howfield"? First player I remember being sent off for WFC!! Then he went off to America to be a kicker in the NFL. Good stuff. ralear49
  • Score: 0

6:16pm Fri 22 Aug 14

Mickey Quinn, not so thin says...

I just don't buy that this is all about players fed up through not playing. Reading Frank's article yesterday it is clear that there is more to it. I get the impression BS likes to flatter us supporters and be very tough on the players. The extra training punishment at the end of last season was just about the worst piece of man management I think I've seen. Utterly pointless other that to show to us supporters that he was tough and he would make the players suffer. If he doesn't get the players onside and playing for him we won't go up and MV and TD will not be here next season.
I just don't buy that this is all about players fed up through not playing. Reading Frank's article yesterday it is clear that there is more to it. I get the impression BS likes to flatter us supporters and be very tough on the players. The extra training punishment at the end of last season was just about the worst piece of man management I think I've seen. Utterly pointless other that to show to us supporters that he was tough and he would make the players suffer. If he doesn't get the players onside and playing for him we won't go up and MV and TD will not be here next season. Mickey Quinn, not so thin
  • Score: -1

7:07pm Fri 22 Aug 14

Hampshire hornet says...

The Skeptical Optimist wrote:
Hang on, I don't think it's fair to attack Dyer! In my opinion, he's the only player in the Watford squad who really has a valid reason to be miffed when he doesn't get selected...

Hoban's a good player, and I personally would play him above Ekstrand to be honest, but Hoban doesn't have the reputation of being the Championship's best centre back. Yes, his attitude is admirable regardless, but conflating Dyer and Hoban is just silly.

Last year, Dyer was considered by many to be THE best winger in the Championship. He is incredibly talented for our level and has shown on the pitch that he does a good job consistently.

It's true that Dyer is not a naturally defensive player, so I can defend not starting him when we play a 3-5-2. That, to me, is fair enough.

But when you start with a 4-4-2 formation like on Tuesday, Dyer really needs to be starting. he deserves his place in the starting line up if there's a wing position available. Certainly above Anya who has just recovered from an injury and Fabbrini who, whilst looking better than before, has proved nowhere near as effective in the Championship as Dyer has in the past.

For me, I can forgive Dyer's burst of emotion, but I think he's the only player in the squad that would be justified in doing so, in that he's the only player that I think has unjustly been left out of the team. One could still argue that however disappointed you are, you shouldn't do something that causes bad press, like his actions have, and it's a fair point. But ultimately, I think Dyer really should be let off this time.
And the thumbs down begin (I gave a thumbs up) you talk sense... Can't be having that in here
[quote][p][bold]The Skeptical Optimist[/bold] wrote: Hang on, I don't think it's fair to attack Dyer! In my opinion, he's the only player in the Watford squad who really has a valid reason to be miffed when he doesn't get selected... Hoban's a good player, and I personally would play him above Ekstrand to be honest, but Hoban doesn't have the reputation of being the Championship's best centre back. Yes, his attitude is admirable regardless, but conflating Dyer and Hoban is just silly. Last year, Dyer was considered by many to be THE best winger in the Championship. He is incredibly talented for our level and has shown on the pitch that he does a good job consistently. It's true that Dyer is not a naturally defensive player, so I can defend not starting him when we play a 3-5-2. That, to me, is fair enough. But when you start with a 4-4-2 formation like on Tuesday, Dyer really needs to be starting. he deserves his place in the starting line up if there's a wing position available. Certainly above Anya who has just recovered from an injury and Fabbrini who, whilst looking better than before, has proved nowhere near as effective in the Championship as Dyer has in the past. For me, I can forgive Dyer's burst of emotion, but I think he's the only player in the squad that would be justified in doing so, in that he's the only player that I think has unjustly been left out of the team. One could still argue that however disappointed you are, you shouldn't do something that causes bad press, like his actions have, and it's a fair point. But ultimately, I think Dyer really should be let off this time.[/p][/quote]And the thumbs down begin (I gave a thumbs up) you talk sense... Can't be having that in here Hampshire hornet
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7:59pm Fri 22 Aug 14

neilhorn says...

Paul Gadd wrote:
The way the players limped out of last season, thinking about holidays etc means I don't agree Lloyd was out of order.......I want players with fire & passion for the mighty hornets....

Don't forget he silenced the management in the best possible way

COYH
yes but there's a right way to go about it, and shouting at the manager in public isn't it. How would Dyer like it if he misplaced a pass and the manager ran across the length of the pitch pointing his finger and screaming abuse at him?
Plus lets not pretend Dyer took on the entire Rotherham team single handed and scored a wonder goal. The ball just fell to him with an open goal 2 yards out, with the keeper on the ground. My gran could have scored that
[quote][p][bold]Paul Gadd[/bold] wrote: The way the players limped out of last season, thinking about holidays etc means I don't agree Lloyd was out of order.......I want players with fire & passion for the mighty hornets.... Don't forget he silenced the management in the best possible way COYH[/p][/quote]yes but there's a right way to go about it, and shouting at the manager in public isn't it. How would Dyer like it if he misplaced a pass and the manager ran across the length of the pitch pointing his finger and screaming abuse at him? Plus lets not pretend Dyer took on the entire Rotherham team single handed and scored a wonder goal. The ball just fell to him with an open goal 2 yards out, with the keeper on the ground. My gran could have scored that neilhorn
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9:31pm Fri 22 Aug 14

JonBoy says...

lutondown wrote:
Hampshire hornet wrote:
harryhornet wrote:
Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:
harryhornet wrote:
Can't help thinking Frank is stirring. He keeps mentioning unrest but Hoban didn't bite when asked about it so why mention it in this article as well as everywhere else? We get the point Frank - you think there's unrest. You've made that clear, now lets see if anything comes from it and if it does, then you were right, but its simply not relevant in the context of this interview.
Tommie is hardly going to say in interview that there is unrest in the camp is he ??!! Not if he wants to get another game under BS !!
Completely agree. I think Hoban answered in the way you'd expect him to. What I don't understand is that, given he didn't comment on the unrest, why Frank included that reference in an article that was about the strength of the squad.
It is because it is fact - it makes me laugh at the comments on here - and that if anyone dares to mention unrest they get huge amounts of thumbs down .. I quoted after the Udinese game that things appeared "Tense" - the sooner Coco goes the better (I expect at least 60 thumbs down please)
So the issue at Watford appears not to be Cuckoo the clown or possibly inflated egos in the dressing room..no, it's all Frank Smiths and the WO fault.
These are the same crowd that dribbled over Bas, refused to see that Boofers had lost the plot and hanker for the good old days when the ever dark clouds of bankruptcy gathered overhead.
Don't worry about the thumbs down, embrace them, know that you are not a sheep or a candidate to grow rusty hanging with the other tools.
I'm giving you the greatest accolade I can give a fellow poster..a good thumbing down. All the tools get a thumbs up as it has the same effect on them as red tube has on me.
You are actually quite funny
[quote][p][bold]lutondown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hampshire hornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]harryhornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mickey Quinn, not so thin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]harryhornet[/bold] wrote: Can't help thinking Frank is stirring. He keeps mentioning unrest but Hoban didn't bite when asked about it so why mention it in this article as well as everywhere else? We get the point Frank - you think there's unrest. You've made that clear, now lets see if anything comes from it and if it does, then you were right, but its simply not relevant in the context of this interview.[/p][/quote]Tommie is hardly going to say in interview that there is unrest in the camp is he ??!! Not if he wants to get another game under BS !![/p][/quote]Completely agree. I think Hoban answered in the way you'd expect him to. What I don't understand is that, given he didn't comment on the unrest, why Frank included that reference in an article that was about the strength of the squad.[/p][/quote]It is because it is fact - it makes me laugh at the comments on here - and that if anyone dares to mention unrest they get huge amounts of thumbs down .. I quoted after the Udinese game that things appeared "Tense" - the sooner Coco goes the better (I expect at least 60 thumbs down please)[/p][/quote]So the issue at Watford appears not to be Cuckoo the clown or possibly inflated egos in the dressing room..no, it's all Frank Smiths and the WO fault. These are the same crowd that dribbled over Bas, refused to see that Boofers had lost the plot and hanker for the good old days when the ever dark clouds of bankruptcy gathered overhead. Don't worry about the thumbs down, embrace them, know that you are not a sheep or a candidate to grow rusty hanging with the other tools. I'm giving you the greatest accolade I can give a fellow poster..a good thumbing down. All the tools get a thumbs up as it has the same effect on them as red tube has on me.[/p][/quote]You are actually quite funny JonBoy
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