Watford knocked out of the Capital One Cup by Doncaster Rovers

Beppe Sannino's Watford are out of the League Cup. Picture: Action Images

Beppe Sannino's Watford are out of the League Cup. Picture: Action Images

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Lloyd Dyer scored on his return to the Watford side but the Hornets are out of the Capital One Cup after they paid the price for starting both halves poorly and producing a disjointed display as Doncaster Rovers claimed a 2-1 second round victory at Vicarage Road tonight.

Watford started sluggishly and after James Coppinger and Nathan Tyson, the visitors were rewarded for their positive start in the 12th minute when Tyson scored from the penalty spot after Gabriel Tamas had tripped Kyle Bennett in the area.

Lewis McGugan almost restored parity soon after with a fine strike from 25 yards that hit the bar but the Hornets did level just after the half-hour when Odion Igahlo released Dyer and he netted for the third Tuesday running after being left out completely following his controversial goal celebration at Rotherham United last week.

Watford though, had seemingly not learnt the lesson from what happened at the start of the game as they again started slowly at the start of the second period and again paid the price as Liam Wakefield finished off a fine move after being set up by Dean Furman.

As expected, Beppe Sannino made a host of changes, with Tamas and Tommie Hoban the only two players to keep their place from the starting line-up that defeated Leeds United 4-1 on Saturday.

Most significantly, Dyer was included after being omitted from the match-day squad at the weekend, while McGugan was also in the starting XI after being left out of the 18 for the previous two games.

Watford Observer:

Rene Gilmartin was the back-up goalkeeper after re-joining the Hornets yesterday and there were also places on the bench for youngsters Josh Doherty and George Byers.

Doncaster have made a reasonable return to life in League One and currently sit ninth in the table following Saturday’s 1-0 win at Colchester United.

Boss Paul Dickov opted for two changes to his side, with Nathan Tyson replacing former Hornet Theo Robinson up front while Wakefield came in for Jamie McCombe.

Watford Observer:

And it was the visitors who had the first chance in the third minute when Dean Furman slipped the ball to the left side of the area for Tyson to strike a first time left-footed shot across goal and not too far wide of Jonathan Bond’s left-hand upright.

A lapse in the Doncaster defence gave Matej Vydra his first sight of goal soon after, but his shot was blocked by Luke McCullough. Moments later though, Coppinger struck a good, low effort that Bond seemed to get a touch on to push it behind, but referee Andy Woolmer awarded a goal kick.

Rovers continued to make the early running and they spurned a fine opening in the ninth minute when a Coppinger free-kick from the left picked out Tyson, who had not been picked up, but he headed into the turf and the ball bounced wide.

Watford Observer:

The visitors had started impressively against their lethargic hosts and their efforts were rewarded in the 12th minute.

Left-back Cedric Evina made the initial attacking inroads before Furman did well to keep the ball in play close to the left corner flag. The ball was then worked into the penalty area where Bennett drove forward before he was clearly tripped by Tamas and Woolmer wasted no time in pointing to the spot. Tyson opted for a longish run up and a powerful approach but made no mistake, blasting the ball past Bond to give Rovers a 1-0 lead.

The Hornets were very nearly level within three minutes though, as the ball was worked to McGugan, who connected superbly with a 25-yard drive that beat Jed Steer but the goalkeeper was saved by his crossbar before Sean Murray’s follow-up was blocked.

McGugan wasn’t far away again in the 21st minute, curling a right-footed shot narrowly wide of Steer’s right-hand post from 22 yards after being found by Igahlo.

Watford Observer:

At this stage, the Hornets had switched to a 4-3-3 formation, with Vydra and Dyer providing the width to Igahlo through the midfield, while Ikechi Anya had moved to the left side of midfield behind Dyer.

And it was the last of those players to be mentioned, perhaps inevitably, who got Watford back on terms in the 31st minute.

A neat Ighalo flick released Dyer running towards the left edge of the penalty area and after initially shaping to go inside Wakefield, he beat him on the outside before firing emphatically past Steer and celebrated by cupping his hand over his mouth in front of the Graham Taylor Stand.

Watford Observer:

Keith Andrews picked up the game’s first yellow card in the 35th minute for a high challenge on Coppinger and Bond had to drop to his knees to deal with a Tyson shot from outside the area as the opening period ended all-square.

As with the first half though, Doncaster were more smartly out of the blocks after the interval and after Bennett had fired over from distance, they retook the lead in the 51st minute.

A fine passing move saw the ball worked to Furman on the right side of the area and he took on and beat his man before cutting the ball back into the middle of the penalty area where Wakefield applied the finish from eight yards to make it 2-1.

Having regained the upper hand, Rovers – or more specifically Reece Wabara – almost handed the Hornets a somewhat farcical equaliser four minutes later when the centre-half knocked the ball past his own keeper but managed to chase back and clear off his own line as Ighalo closed in.

Bennett curled a shot not too far wide from 20 yards at the other end, before the visitors were awarded a free-kick on the edge of the Hornets box in the 64th minute but Bennett’s curled effort was held by Bond at the second attempt.

Watford had a decent set-piece opportunity of their own soon after, but after McGugan’s initial effort had found the wall, the midfielder fired his follow-up high and wide of the target.

Watford Observer:

That was to be McGugan’s last involvement as he was replaced by Gianni Munari in the 69th minute and Daniel Pudil came on for Lloyd Doyley.

Doncaster still looked the more threatening though, and Bennett was to chance his arm from distance again as Bond had to tip over his 20-yard strike, before Watford completed their changes when Diego Fabbrini came on for Murray.

Rovers did have the ball in the net for a third time but that was chalked off for offside before Marc De Val Fernandez saw yellow for a foul on Vydra. That free-kick came to nothing but as the game moved into the final ten minutes Dyer fizzed a half-volley over from the edge of the 18-yard box.

De Val made way for Richie Wellens in the 81st minute as Watford continued to huff and puff without really threatening to create anything clear-cut to try and force extra-time.

But the fact the hosts produced just the one shot on target all evening spoke volumes as their third round hopes ended in rather abject fashion.

Watford: Bond; Doyley (Pudil 69), Tamas, Hoban; Anya, McGugan (Munari 69), Andrews, Murray (Fabbrini 75), Dyer; Ighalo, Vydra. Not used: Gilmartin, Angella, Doherty, Byers.

Doncaster Rovers: Steer; Wakefield, Wabara, McCullough, Evina; Coppinger, De Val (Wellens 79), Keegan, Bennett; Furman; Tyson. Not used: Marosi, Robinson, Peterson, Askins, Lund, Whitehouse.

Bookings: Andrews for a foul on Coppinger (35); De Val for a foul on Vydra (78); Tyson for time wasting (90).

Attendance: 7,318 (270 away).

Referee: Andy Woolmer.

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9:49pm Tue 26 Aug 14

grinns67 says...

Sannino bye bye!!!!!
Sannino bye bye!!!!! grinns67
  • Score: 20

9:50pm Tue 26 Aug 14

The BestTrip2011 says...

Bloody awful. Does Sannino really have any idea? Who was it that said we have a squad good enough to put out two teams? Pity one of them didn't turn up tonight.
Bloody awful. Does Sannino really have any idea? Who was it that said we have a squad good enough to put out two teams? Pity one of them didn't turn up tonight. The BestTrip2011
  • Score: 48

9:53pm Tue 26 Aug 14

loyalhemel says...

Glad to see Sannino has got the squad pulling together & fighting for there place
Glad to see Sannino has got the squad pulling together & fighting for there place loyalhemel
  • Score: 29

9:55pm Tue 26 Aug 14

Watfordhog says...

League Cup is a sideshow,the only thing that matters is promotion.
League Cup is a sideshow,the only thing that matters is promotion. Watfordhog
  • Score: -7

9:59pm Tue 26 Aug 14

StewartScullion says...

It could be worse we could be Man Utd,Leicester or Burnley.
Trouble is the lower league sides are more motivated to win
We could talk about the sluggish start in both halves or the substitutions(Troy Deeney was surprised by the decision to take McGugan off)
Disappointing.Let's move on
Let's move on
It could be worse we could be Man Utd,Leicester or Burnley. Trouble is the lower league sides are more motivated to win We could talk about the sluggish start in both halves or the substitutions(Troy Deeney was surprised by the decision to take McGugan off) Disappointing.Let's move on Let's move on StewartScullion
  • Score: 14

10:02pm Tue 26 Aug 14

Stoney77 says...

To think I'd spent all day at work looking forward to that. Terrible performance from pretty much the the whole team. Tonight showed just how important Deeney is to us. We won nothing up front in the air tonight. Ighalo and Vydra do not work. If Deeney goes we will not challenge for promotion. Fair play to Doncaster, they were by far the better team.
Having said all that I'd rather lose a cup game than in the league. We played like strangers tonight, but I guess to be fair we were.
Not sure anyone out there tonight staked a claim for a starting berth on Sat.
To think I'd spent all day at work looking forward to that. Terrible performance from pretty much the the whole team. Tonight showed just how important Deeney is to us. We won nothing up front in the air tonight. Ighalo and Vydra do not work. If Deeney goes we will not challenge for promotion. Fair play to Doncaster, they were by far the better team. Having said all that I'd rather lose a cup game than in the league. We played like strangers tonight, but I guess to be fair we were. Not sure anyone out there tonight staked a claim for a starting berth on Sat. Stoney77
  • Score: 67

10:03pm Tue 26 Aug 14

pstannard4 says...

Sannino out..
Sannino out.. pstannard4
  • Score: -1

10:06pm Tue 26 Aug 14

StewartScullion says...

None of this matters provided we play well and beat Huddersfield
and then Charlton and Bournemouth
If not!
None of this matters provided we play well and beat Huddersfield and then Charlton and Bournemouth If not! StewartScullion
  • Score: -5

10:11pm Tue 26 Aug 14

There was only one Scully says...

A very inept and abject performance tonight by a team that has a lot of quality but has no real direction.
I have held back in my opinion of BS. He is not the coach to take us 2 where the Pozzo are expecting!
Tonight as with the first half Saturday underlines we do not have the cohesion of what is expected. To use a pun, its a game of 2 halves!
The man is out of his depth, we need a coach to get the best from a very good squad and not to have player unrest.
I think a change is gonna come, soon!
A very inept and abject performance tonight by a team that has a lot of quality but has no real direction. I have held back in my opinion of BS. He is not the coach to take us 2 where the Pozzo are expecting! Tonight as with the first half Saturday underlines we do not have the cohesion of what is expected. To use a pun, its a game of 2 halves! The man is out of his depth, we need a coach to get the best from a very good squad and not to have player unrest. I think a change is gonna come, soon! There was only one Scully
  • Score: 37

10:17pm Tue 26 Aug 14

JonBoy says...

Why 9 changes? How can you put players like that together and expect them to play like a team. So what should it be? Players before club and let them all have game time or club first and put a team out? Maybe a manager knows the answer.
Why 9 changes? How can you put players like that together and expect them to play like a team. So what should it be? Players before club and let them all have game time or club first and put a team out? Maybe a manager knows the answer. JonBoy
  • Score: 28

10:19pm Tue 26 Aug 14

corbindallas says...

Stoney77 wrote:
To think I'd spent all day at work looking forward to that. Terrible performance from pretty much the the whole team. Tonight showed just how important Deeney is to us. We won nothing up front in the air tonight. Ighalo and Vydra do not work. If Deeney goes we will not challenge for promotion. Fair play to Doncaster, they were by far the better team.
Having said all that I'd rather lose a cup game than in the league. We played like strangers tonight, but I guess to be fair we were.
Not sure anyone out there tonight staked a claim for a starting berth on Sat.
What about Dyer? At least he is scoring goals and with the support of better players maybe just maybe we can start to play more comfortable football as at the moment we are definatley not!
[quote][p][bold]Stoney77[/bold] wrote: To think I'd spent all day at work looking forward to that. Terrible performance from pretty much the the whole team. Tonight showed just how important Deeney is to us. We won nothing up front in the air tonight. Ighalo and Vydra do not work. If Deeney goes we will not challenge for promotion. Fair play to Doncaster, they were by far the better team. Having said all that I'd rather lose a cup game than in the league. We played like strangers tonight, but I guess to be fair we were. Not sure anyone out there tonight staked a claim for a starting berth on Sat.[/p][/quote]What about Dyer? At least he is scoring goals and with the support of better players maybe just maybe we can start to play more comfortable football as at the moment we are definatley not! corbindallas
  • Score: 6

10:21pm Tue 26 Aug 14

duckfan10 says...

Good ...that's out of the way...time to make sure we win promotion rather than wasting energy on a minor cup that is only a distraction.
Good ...that's out of the way...time to make sure we win promotion rather than wasting energy on a minor cup that is only a distraction. duckfan10
  • Score: -15

10:24pm Tue 26 Aug 14

ralear49 says...

wouldn't it have been useful to have impact players on the bench? Unless we weren't really inerested in a result? The opportunity to give TD and FF a run with 20 minutes left might have given something back to the fans who shelled out good money.
wouldn't it have been useful to have impact players on the bench? Unless we weren't really inerested in a result? The opportunity to give TD and FF a run with 20 minutes left might have given something back to the fans who shelled out good money. ralear49
  • Score: 41

10:26pm Tue 26 Aug 14

Ramageland says...

Wouldn't it be nice to treat the league cup like a tournament that we actually want to play in? I don't care whether Man U, Leicester, etc lost or won, how does that affect us? All I care about is my team winning games, and yet another tame defeat early in league cup is disappointing. If BS wants to prove himself then his team needs to put on better displays that that, whatever the competition. All it's done is ramp the pressure on for Saturday.
Wouldn't it be nice to treat the league cup like a tournament that we actually want to play in? I don't care whether Man U, Leicester, etc lost or won, how does that affect us? All I care about is my team winning games, and yet another tame defeat early in league cup is disappointing. If BS wants to prove himself then his team needs to put on better displays that that, whatever the competition. All it's done is ramp the pressure on for Saturday. Ramageland
  • Score: 41

10:30pm Tue 26 Aug 14

Harold Hornet says...

This evening's performance just makes mugs out of those of us that can be bothered to turn up!
This evening's performance just makes mugs out of those of us that can be bothered to turn up! Harold Hornet
  • Score: 49

10:30pm Tue 26 Aug 14

EltonForever says...

Let's just keep things in perspective, shall we!

Our fledgling league position is good, we rested our best players this evening and, most importantly, it's still only a game! The first three posters above need to get out more.
Let's just keep things in perspective, shall we! Our fledgling league position is good, we rested our best players this evening and, most importantly, it's still only a game! The first three posters above need to get out more. EltonForever
  • Score: -9

10:31pm Tue 26 Aug 14

tonyevans22 says...

Watfordhog wrote:
League Cup is a sideshow,the only thing that matters is promotion.
Really,well it might be a sideshow to you but we should go into every game wanting to win,and if you don't want us to win then how do you call yourself a supporter?

These players tonight should take the bull by the horns and show BS why they should be considered for the 1st team,so at the moment on that performance his team selection for the league games is spot on.
[quote][p][bold]Watfordhog[/bold] wrote: League Cup is a sideshow,the only thing that matters is promotion.[/p][/quote]Really,well it might be a sideshow to you but we should go into every game wanting to win,and if you don't want us to win then how do you call yourself a supporter? These players tonight should take the bull by the horns and show BS why they should be considered for the 1st team,so at the moment on that performance his team selection for the league games is spot on. tonyevans22
  • Score: 45

10:32pm Tue 26 Aug 14

Bobbyhowfield says...

When ever we get a feel good feeling having got a couple of wins why the f--- do managers think it's ok to stick out weak side and undo all the good work.
When ever we get a feel good feeling having got a couple of wins why the f--- do managers think it's ok to stick out weak side and undo all the good work. Bobbyhowfield
  • Score: 20

10:36pm Tue 26 Aug 14

lutondown says...

I blame Frank Smith.
I blame Frank Smith. lutondown
  • Score: 7

10:36pm Tue 26 Aug 14

lutondown says...

lutondown wrote:
I blame Frank Smith.
Just for the tools...I'm being ironic
[quote][p][bold]lutondown[/bold] wrote: I blame Frank Smith.[/p][/quote]Just for the tools...I'm being ironic lutondown
  • Score: -12

10:37pm Tue 26 Aug 14

lutondown says...

loyalhemel wrote:
Glad to see Sannino has got the squad pulling together & fighting for there place
Exactly what I thought.
[quote][p][bold]loyalhemel[/bold] wrote: Glad to see Sannino has got the squad pulling together & fighting for there place[/p][/quote]Exactly what I thought. lutondown
  • Score: -1

10:37pm Tue 26 Aug 14

lutondown says...

loyalhemel wrote:
Glad to see Sannino has got the squad pulling together & fighting for there place
Exactly what I thought.
[quote][p][bold]loyalhemel[/bold] wrote: Glad to see Sannino has got the squad pulling together & fighting for there place[/p][/quote]Exactly what I thought. lutondown
  • Score: -5

10:37pm Tue 26 Aug 14

Hornets number 12 fan says...

Bad Management! over and out!
Bad Management! over and out! Hornets number 12 fan
  • Score: 12

10:40pm Tue 26 Aug 14

stevemag says...

Anya was woeful and I didn't think much more about McGugan's performance.

Can't blame Vydra - he had zero service.


It's difficult chucking 9 players into a makeshift team and expect it to work. What's more important is the league and next Saturday against Huddersfield.

The team will be completely different with Abdi, Toszer, Deeney and co
Anya was woeful and I didn't think much more about McGugan's performance. Can't blame Vydra - he had zero service. It's difficult chucking 9 players into a makeshift team and expect it to work. What's more important is the league and next Saturday against Huddersfield. The team will be completely different with Abdi, Toszer, Deeney and co stevemag
  • Score: 10

10:43pm Tue 26 Aug 14

EltonForever says...

Bobbyhowfield wrote:
When ever we get a feel good feeling having got a couple of wins why the f--- do managers think it's ok to stick out weak side and undo all the good work.
Beppe did not set out to undo all the good work, obviously. If he had not rotated the team, then he would have been criticised. The problem this evening was that the players he put out did not play better against a so called inferior team, nothing more nothing less.
[quote][p][bold]Bobbyhowfield[/bold] wrote: When ever we get a feel good feeling having got a couple of wins why the f--- do managers think it's ok to stick out weak side and undo all the good work.[/p][/quote]Beppe did not set out to undo all the good work, obviously. If he had not rotated the team, then he would have been criticised. The problem this evening was that the players he put out did not play better against a so called inferior team, nothing more nothing less. EltonForever
  • Score: 30

10:44pm Tue 26 Aug 14

Jezza_A says...

Watford's Les Miserables out there on the pitch tonight for all to see.
Watford's Les Miserables out there on the pitch tonight for all to see. Jezza_A
  • Score: 8

10:46pm Tue 26 Aug 14

Stewbyhorn1 says...

Just got home from a pretty poor performance, especially the second half. Positives are that Lloyd Dyer scored again and is a threat but that's it, Vydra took a kicking tonight but struggles with Ighaloo, Andrews did not pass at all well tonight , Anya was quiet as was Murray, Doyley had no control and Hoban was not his usual reliable self. Mcgugan went straight down the tunnel after his substitution which for me spells the beginning of the end but that said we as fans should never boo, it's frustrating as we all know we are miles better than that but Doncaster wanted it more than us and it showed.
Let's get behind them on Saturday and get back on track
Just got home from a pretty poor performance, especially the second half. Positives are that Lloyd Dyer scored again and is a threat but that's it, Vydra took a kicking tonight but struggles with Ighaloo, Andrews did not pass at all well tonight , Anya was quiet as was Murray, Doyley had no control and Hoban was not his usual reliable self. Mcgugan went straight down the tunnel after his substitution which for me spells the beginning of the end but that said we as fans should never boo, it's frustrating as we all know we are miles better than that but Doncaster wanted it more than us and it showed. Let's get behind them on Saturday and get back on track Stewbyhorn1
  • Score: 21

10:46pm Tue 26 Aug 14

goldanboy says...

So seems we don't have a huge squad of talent like some posters think. Send half of tonight's team out on loan to a league lower and let's have a good squad of 16. I don't buy this distraction theory. A good cup run keeps everyone fresh and builds confidence. Couldn't go tonight, but fair play to 7000 who turned up to watch us give up on a cup run.
So seems we don't have a huge squad of talent like some posters think. Send half of tonight's team out on loan to a league lower and let's have a good squad of 16. I don't buy this distraction theory. A good cup run keeps everyone fresh and builds confidence. Couldn't go tonight, but fair play to 7000 who turned up to watch us give up on a cup run. goldanboy
  • Score: 27

10:48pm Tue 26 Aug 14

tgb1963 says...

Match summary.
Watford took twenty passes to get absolutely nowhere. Doncaster took two or three to threaten our goal.
Period.
Match summary. Watford took twenty passes to get absolutely nowhere. Doncaster took two or three to threaten our goal. Period. tgb1963
  • Score: 22

10:52pm Tue 26 Aug 14

Hornet Cornet says...

It's no good, I've backed him as much as possible, I've defended his tactics and also tried being his friend. There are times when a man has to do what a man has to do. I officially now withdraw my support. This has gone on long enough. Another season, another pile of doggy plop. He has to go.

SACK BRISTOLHORNET NOW !!!

HC
It's no good, I've backed him as much as possible, I've defended his tactics and also tried being his friend. There are times when a man has to do what a man has to do. I officially now withdraw my support. This has gone on long enough. Another season, another pile of doggy plop. He has to go. SACK BRISTOLHORNET NOW !!! HC Hornet Cornet
  • Score: 11

10:53pm Tue 26 Aug 14

Tomsyboy says...

The most disjointed squad ive seen in a long time. Literally looked like we just picked names out the hat today. Wtf was BS playing doyley there for??!! Nobody knew what they were doing and even though a few select players tried to do something positive, it really showed who wont be up to the first team selection. Im all up for giving some non first team players a chance, but look how many top players were left out tonight. He should have mixed it around better imo and not just thrown on 2nd team with no structure. I think hoban did ok till later on when he made a few mistakes. Dyer should at least be in the 1st 18 as 3 goals and does look like he can do something with the right teammates. Vydra got **** off with lack of service and started sulking. Just too many key players not involved and it showed. We deserved to loose and maybe this will solve a few selection problems in the future.
The most disjointed squad ive seen in a long time. Literally looked like we just picked names out the hat today. Wtf was BS playing doyley there for??!! Nobody knew what they were doing and even though a few select players tried to do something positive, it really showed who wont be up to the first team selection. Im all up for giving some non first team players a chance, but look how many top players were left out tonight. He should have mixed it around better imo and not just thrown on 2nd team with no structure. I think hoban did ok till later on when he made a few mistakes. Dyer should at least be in the 1st 18 as 3 goals and does look like he can do something with the right teammates. Vydra got **** off with lack of service and started sulking. Just too many key players not involved and it showed. We deserved to loose and maybe this will solve a few selection problems in the future. Tomsyboy
  • Score: 6

10:58pm Tue 26 Aug 14

charliefarmery says...

I got a score of -29 on Saturday for saying I'm still not sure about Sannino. We all want to be positive and behind our manager of course, but he simply is not motivating the players enough. What did he say at HT? They were shocking after HT and looked dejected. Why did he pull Vydra back into midfield at the end? Dyer, McGugan and Murray did not like players with points to prove. A good manager would use them being left out as a chance to motivate them to play a blinder. What has happened to Anya under Sannino? He no longer has the confidence to take players on for pace? Anyone who thinks this guy will get us promoted is kidding themselves I'm afraid. I will gladly eat serious humble pie if I'm wrong. Get rid now and get a more positive, respected manager in.
I got a score of -29 on Saturday for saying I'm still not sure about Sannino. We all want to be positive and behind our manager of course, but he simply is not motivating the players enough. What did he say at HT? They were shocking after HT and looked dejected. Why did he pull Vydra back into midfield at the end? Dyer, McGugan and Murray did not like players with points to prove. A good manager would use them being left out as a chance to motivate them to play a blinder. What has happened to Anya under Sannino? He no longer has the confidence to take players on for pace? Anyone who thinks this guy will get us promoted is kidding themselves I'm afraid. I will gladly eat serious humble pie if I'm wrong. Get rid now and get a more positive, respected manager in. charliefarmery
  • Score: 12

11:00pm Tue 26 Aug 14

EltonForever says...

The average poster on this site is so fickle. It takes just a puff of wind to blow them off course and with that they commence their self destructive rant. Let's develop a bit of backbone and stand tall, full square behind the manager and team and see where that takes us. After all, it is only 26 August and we are still 2nd in the table.
The average poster on this site is so fickle. It takes just a puff of wind to blow them off course and with that they commence their self destructive rant. Let's develop a bit of backbone and stand tall, full square behind the manager and team and see where that takes us. After all, it is only 26 August and we are still 2nd in the table. EltonForever
  • Score: 14

11:03pm Tue 26 Aug 14

UZZY says...

Why blame the boss he was giving the 2nd stream a chance to prove themselves for the chance to be in for selection next Sat all they did was to show they are not up to the standard of the guys who made up the team last Sat....for goodness sake we are 2nd in the league lets build on that not get worked up about a reserve match.
Why blame the boss he was giving the 2nd stream a chance to prove themselves for the chance to be in for selection next Sat all they did was to show they are not up to the standard of the guys who made up the team last Sat....for goodness sake we are 2nd in the league lets build on that not get worked up about a reserve match. UZZY
  • Score: 24

11:04pm Tue 26 Aug 14

HorshamHornet says...

Like a lot of the post from recent games, i too now feel the BS can't take us forward. A nice guy, but unable to move us up to the next level.
Like a lot of the post from recent games, i too now feel the BS can't take us forward. A nice guy, but unable to move us up to the next level. HorshamHornet
  • Score: 11

11:09pm Tue 26 Aug 14

Cuetip says...

Tomsyboy wrote:
The most disjointed squad ive seen in a long time. Literally looked like we just picked names out the hat today. Wtf was BS playing doyley there for??!! Nobody knew what they were doing and even though a few select players tried to do something positive, it really showed who wont be up to the first team selection. Im all up for giving some non first team players a chance, but look how many top players were left out tonight. He should have mixed it around better imo and not just thrown on 2nd team with no structure. I think hoban did ok till later on when he made a few mistakes. Dyer should at least be in the 1st 18 as 3 goals and does look like he can do something with the right teammates. Vydra got **** off with lack of service and started sulking. Just too many key players not involved and it showed. We deserved to loose and maybe this will solve a few selection problems in the future.
Shows the importance of having a leader on the pitch and a settled team.

BS let's hope there is a stable first team squad for the league.
[quote][p][bold]Tomsyboy[/bold] wrote: The most disjointed squad ive seen in a long time. Literally looked like we just picked names out the hat today. Wtf was BS playing doyley there for??!! Nobody knew what they were doing and even though a few select players tried to do something positive, it really showed who wont be up to the first team selection. Im all up for giving some non first team players a chance, but look how many top players were left out tonight. He should have mixed it around better imo and not just thrown on 2nd team with no structure. I think hoban did ok till later on when he made a few mistakes. Dyer should at least be in the 1st 18 as 3 goals and does look like he can do something with the right teammates. Vydra got **** off with lack of service and started sulking. Just too many key players not involved and it showed. We deserved to loose and maybe this will solve a few selection problems in the future.[/p][/quote]Shows the importance of having a leader on the pitch and a settled team. BS let's hope there is a stable first team squad for the league. Cuetip
  • Score: 5

11:11pm Tue 26 Aug 14

bigdave8 says...

I worked up move of a sweat walking to the ground then mcgugan did playing center mid . Lack of effort and commitment from some was painful to watch ... Bit like a pre season friendly . But it's the league cup so not sure I expected much more . Good exercise for showing who isn't up to it and where to trim the squad though . Remember peeps it's all about the league !!!!
I worked up move of a sweat walking to the ground then mcgugan did playing center mid . Lack of effort and commitment from some was painful to watch ... Bit like a pre season friendly . But it's the league cup so not sure I expected much more . Good exercise for showing who isn't up to it and where to trim the squad though . Remember peeps it's all about the league !!!! bigdave8
  • Score: 17

11:12pm Tue 26 Aug 14

UHORNS1 says...

EltonForever wrote:
The average poster on this site is so fickle. It takes just a puff of wind to blow them off course and with that they commence their self destructive rant. Let's develop a bit of backbone and stand tall, full square behind the manager and team and see where that takes us. After all, it is only 26 August and we are still 2nd in the table.
It's not being fickle it's called opinion and from what I witnessed tonight the players are not behind the manager he called for work, sacrifice and heart I certainly did not witness that tonight.
[quote][p][bold]EltonForever[/bold] wrote: The average poster on this site is so fickle. It takes just a puff of wind to blow them off course and with that they commence their self destructive rant. Let's develop a bit of backbone and stand tall, full square behind the manager and team and see where that takes us. After all, it is only 26 August and we are still 2nd in the table.[/p][/quote]It's not being fickle it's called opinion and from what I witnessed tonight the players are not behind the manager he called for work, sacrifice and heart I certainly did not witness that tonight. UHORNS1
  • Score: 6

11:12pm Tue 26 Aug 14

dominicfoleyisgod says...

You lot are a joke! That is the team that all fans had said on here and the forum and twitter...then people suddenly saying it should have been a blend!
Start of the season all the "fans" saying 'it's great having such a big squad so we can change 11 players for the cups and keep people fresh for the league'...then suddenly we lose a game and it's all a big deal.

Second in the league, 9 players rested and the all important league game to come Saturday. A win there and we could be top! Dyer will start Saturday as BS handled that well and we go again. The man can do no right. We have some terrible 'supporters'.
You lot are a joke! That is the team that all fans had said on here and the forum and twitter...then people suddenly saying it should have been a blend! Start of the season all the "fans" saying 'it's great having such a big squad so we can change 11 players for the cups and keep people fresh for the league'...then suddenly we lose a game and it's all a big deal. Second in the league, 9 players rested and the all important league game to come Saturday. A win there and we could be top! Dyer will start Saturday as BS handled that well and we go again. The man can do no right. We have some terrible 'supporters'. dominicfoleyisgod
  • Score: 30

11:18pm Tue 26 Aug 14

bigdave8 says...

Ps fair play to Donny best team won . Now let's use this a wake up call and crack on in the league . Win sat 3-0 and I will forgive you Watford
Ps fair play to Donny best team won . Now let's use this a wake up call and crack on in the league . Win sat 3-0 and I will forgive you Watford bigdave8
  • Score: 21

11:20pm Tue 26 Aug 14

steveinmk says...

The team out there on the pitch tonight should have been more than good enough to beat Doncaster. Sure, it may not be our current first XI, but this wasn't a bunch of rookies - all of those players have considerable first team experience and many of them, if the reports are to be believed, have been vociferously suggesting that they should be being picked in preference to those who did make the team on Saturday.

Not the end of the world, but very disappointing nevertheless, especially following on from an excellent afternoon on Saturday. This time last year, many were urging Zola to play his best XI more regularly, even though no two posters could agree on who the best XI were!

Despite the strength of the squad, the team selection issue seems easier this year, as very few players out there tonight advanced their cause much further.
The team out there on the pitch tonight should have been more than good enough to beat Doncaster. Sure, it may not be our current first XI, but this wasn't a bunch of rookies - all of those players have considerable first team experience and many of them, if the reports are to be believed, have been vociferously suggesting that they should be being picked in preference to those who did make the team on Saturday. Not the end of the world, but very disappointing nevertheless, especially following on from an excellent afternoon on Saturday. This time last year, many were urging Zola to play his best XI more regularly, even though no two posters could agree on who the best XI were! Despite the strength of the squad, the team selection issue seems easier this year, as very few players out there tonight advanced their cause much further. steveinmk
  • Score: 22

11:20pm Tue 26 Aug 14

The Skeptical Optimist says...

I know you guys are annoyed at paying to go to a match and then seeing that abysmal display - but I don't know why you guys are SO upset!

It is, after all, a rather unimportant cup, and the main aim really is to get to the Premier League - an objective which Sannino is easily on track to meet so far.

Yes, I'm miffed that I paid to go and see Watford and got that performance in return, and I'm disappointed at our lack of performance, but I'm not going to start shouting 'Sannino out' until we drop more than 3 points of the play-off places, or until we're more than 10 points off the top 2.
I know you guys are annoyed at paying to go to a match and then seeing that abysmal display - but I don't know why you guys are SO upset! It is, after all, a rather unimportant cup, and the main aim really is to get to the Premier League - an objective which Sannino is easily on track to meet so far. Yes, I'm miffed that I paid to go and see Watford and got that performance in return, and I'm disappointed at our lack of performance, but I'm not going to start shouting 'Sannino out' until we drop more than 3 points of the play-off places, or until we're more than 10 points off the top 2. The Skeptical Optimist
  • Score: 14

11:46pm Tue 26 Aug 14

SuperHorns says...

Glad we are out and it will be good to watch Beppe put out a winning team come Saturday.
Glad we are out and it will be good to watch Beppe put out a winning team come Saturday. SuperHorns
  • Score: 1

11:48pm Tue 26 Aug 14

Andrew1963 says...

The players barely looked interested. Is that because it's the league cup or the manager or they forget they are paid entertainers and we buy tickets to see them perform? I thought the only positive was Dyer. How Hoban got MoM is a mystery, he looked off the pace. Anya and Andrews could not make a pass, and Vydra had no energy. Murray looks like a player lost and on the path followed by Ross Jenkins. If we get 3 points on Sqturday all will be well, if not then things need to change, as the sum of the parts is less than the whole at the moment.
The players barely looked interested. Is that because it's the league cup or the manager or they forget they are paid entertainers and we buy tickets to see them perform? I thought the only positive was Dyer. How Hoban got MoM is a mystery, he looked off the pace. Anya and Andrews could not make a pass, and Vydra had no energy. Murray looks like a player lost and on the path followed by Ross Jenkins. If we get 3 points on Sqturday all will be well, if not then things need to change, as the sum of the parts is less than the whole at the moment. Andrew1963
  • Score: 10

12:04am Wed 27 Aug 14

WessexLad says...

UZZY wrote:
Why blame the boss he was giving the 2nd stream a chance to prove themselves for the chance to be in for selection next Sat all they did was to show they are not up to the standard of the guys who made up the team last Sat....for goodness sake we are 2nd in the league lets build on that not get worked up about a reserve match.
Because the team he put out was good enough to run rings round the opposition: four full internationals, and another coming on as sub. The fact that we didn't is solely due to the tactics, and that has to be down to the manager.

Time and again we were in a position to give the forwards and/or wing backs something on the ground to run on to, so what did we do? Play the ball round in circles until someone got a hospital pass, or boot the ball down their centre backs' throat.

We only beat Stevenage by a whisker, so why didn't the manager at least keep the likes of FF and Troy up his sleeve? And the League Cup does matter, if only to give fringe players match time.
[quote][p][bold]UZZY[/bold] wrote: Why blame the boss he was giving the 2nd stream a chance to prove themselves for the chance to be in for selection next Sat all they did was to show they are not up to the standard of the guys who made up the team last Sat....for goodness sake we are 2nd in the league lets build on that not get worked up about a reserve match.[/p][/quote]Because the team he put out was good enough to run rings round the opposition: four full internationals, and another coming on as sub. The fact that we didn't is solely due to the tactics, and that has to be down to the manager. Time and again we were in a position to give the forwards and/or wing backs something on the ground to run on to, so what did we do? Play the ball round in circles until someone got a hospital pass, or boot the ball down their centre backs' throat. We only beat Stevenage by a whisker, so why didn't the manager at least keep the likes of FF and Troy up his sleeve? And the League Cup does matter, if only to give fringe players match time. WessexLad
  • Score: 6

12:05am Wed 27 Aug 14

The BestTrip2011 says...

One shot on target tonight people, just one shot.
One shot on target tonight people, just one shot. The BestTrip2011
  • Score: 12

12:15am Wed 27 Aug 14

Sleeping with the enemy says...

I assume the earlier posters are all tucked up in bed now as there seems to be some common sense coming through now. Yes we lost. Yes we were poor. Get over it, the best team won in the lesser of the 3 competitions we are entered in. We have a realistic chance in 1 of those competitions. Let's not over react until that one is beyond us. Rightly or wrongly I couldn't really give a t0ss about tonight's result just the attitude of some of the players.
I assume the earlier posters are all tucked up in bed now as there seems to be some common sense coming through now. Yes we lost. Yes we were poor. Get over it, the best team won in the lesser of the 3 competitions we are entered in. We have a realistic chance in 1 of those competitions. Let's not over react until that one is beyond us. Rightly or wrongly I couldn't really give a t0ss about tonight's result just the attitude of some of the players. Sleeping with the enemy
  • Score: 0

12:21am Wed 27 Aug 14

stiffler99 says...

I am really disappointed because I think it is about time we started to do well in the cups. These guys should have been good enough to beat Donny at home. They could then have gone on to play more cup ties. Yes the league is a priority but if we are holding such a big squad it should be very easy to cope with the cup games. Clearly we have a big squad but we do not have two teams worth who can compete at this level. The question is really do they play badly because of the tactics or is it just that the players do not give the effort required or do they not ever play together in training. Either way these players will effectively be punished now because there are no cup ties coming up to keep them match fit.
I am really disappointed because I think it is about time we started to do well in the cups. These guys should have been good enough to beat Donny at home. They could then have gone on to play more cup ties. Yes the league is a priority but if we are holding such a big squad it should be very easy to cope with the cup games. Clearly we have a big squad but we do not have two teams worth who can compete at this level. The question is really do they play badly because of the tactics or is it just that the players do not give the effort required or do they not ever play together in training. Either way these players will effectively be punished now because there are no cup ties coming up to keep them match fit. stiffler99
  • Score: 11

12:22am Wed 27 Aug 14

G_Whiz says...

The Tinkerman Curse strikes again!
The Tinkerman Curse strikes again! G_Whiz
  • Score: 2

5:59am Wed 27 Aug 14

SAHornet says...

Watfordhog wrote:
League Cup is a sideshow,the only thing that matters is promotion.
That might be true if we had a perceived weak 2nd level but this team was supposed to be able to take the field in any CHAMPIONSHIP game.
[quote][p][bold]Watfordhog[/bold] wrote: League Cup is a sideshow,the only thing that matters is promotion.[/p][/quote]That might be true if we had a perceived weak 2nd level but this team was supposed to be able to take the field in any CHAMPIONSHIP game. SAHornet
  • Score: 18

6:16am Wed 27 Aug 14

SimonW, Godalming says...

duckfan10 wrote:
Good ...that's out of the way...time to make sure we win promotion rather than wasting energy on a minor cup that is only a distraction.
you obviously did not spend 2 hours battling with the M25 to get there, maybe Sannino could warn us next time the players are not going to bother so we don't have to either!!
[quote][p][bold]duckfan10[/bold] wrote: Good ...that's out of the way...time to make sure we win promotion rather than wasting energy on a minor cup that is only a distraction.[/p][/quote]you obviously did not spend 2 hours battling with the M25 to get there, maybe Sannino could warn us next time the players are not going to bother so we don't have to either!! SimonW, Godalming
  • Score: 32

6:19am Wed 27 Aug 14

SAHornet says...

Sleeping with the enemy wrote:
I assume the earlier posters are all tucked up in bed now as there seems to be some common sense coming through now. Yes we lost. Yes we were poor. Get over it, the best team won in the lesser of the 3 competitions we are entered in. We have a realistic chance in 1 of those competitions. Let's not over react until that one is beyond us. Rightly or wrongly I couldn't really give a t0ss about tonight's result just the attitude of some of the players.
The time to react is not, "when that one is beyond us". The time to react is when it looks like it just might slide away from us and I would suggest, given all the perceived evidence, that that time is coming pretty soon now.
[quote][p][bold]Sleeping with the enemy[/bold] wrote: I assume the earlier posters are all tucked up in bed now as there seems to be some common sense coming through now. Yes we lost. Yes we were poor. Get over it, the best team won in the lesser of the 3 competitions we are entered in. We have a realistic chance in 1 of those competitions. Let's not over react until that one is beyond us. Rightly or wrongly I couldn't really give a t0ss about tonight's result just the attitude of some of the players.[/p][/quote]The time to react is not, "when that one is beyond us". The time to react is when it looks like it just might slide away from us and I would suggest, given all the perceived evidence, that that time is coming pretty soon now. SAHornet
  • Score: 16

6:51am Wed 27 Aug 14

lutondown says...

SAHornet wrote:
Sleeping with the enemy wrote:
I assume the earlier posters are all tucked up in bed now as there seems to be some common sense coming through now. Yes we lost. Yes we were poor. Get over it, the best team won in the lesser of the 3 competitions we are entered in. We have a realistic chance in 1 of those competitions. Let's not over react until that one is beyond us. Rightly or wrongly I couldn't really give a t0ss about tonight's result just the attitude of some of the players.
The time to react is not, "when that one is beyond us". The time to react is when it looks like it just might slide away from us and I would suggest, given all the perceived evidence, that that time is coming pretty soon now.
Spot on Davey
[quote][p][bold]SAHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sleeping with the enemy[/bold] wrote: I assume the earlier posters are all tucked up in bed now as there seems to be some common sense coming through now. Yes we lost. Yes we were poor. Get over it, the best team won in the lesser of the 3 competitions we are entered in. We have a realistic chance in 1 of those competitions. Let's not over react until that one is beyond us. Rightly or wrongly I couldn't really give a t0ss about tonight's result just the attitude of some of the players.[/p][/quote]The time to react is not, "when that one is beyond us". The time to react is when it looks like it just might slide away from us and I would suggest, given all the perceived evidence, that that time is coming pretty soon now.[/p][/quote]Spot on Davey lutondown
  • Score: 12

7:45am Wed 27 Aug 14

oldyella says...

After a bad nights sleep thinking about this game;(its not even my job ffs), I am still very annoyed afer seeing such a disjointed performance. No leadership (we must NOT sell Deeney), no creativity in midfield (as always when Abdi doesn't play), Ighalo and Vydra- no link play like Deeney & Vydra; in fact nothing between the two; Dyer and Anya both on the left- 2 very similar players ?
But doesn't it just show how important our KEY players are? There isn't much difference between the leagues when you take out the KEY players.
viz MKDons v Man U.
And I noticed many long balls last night too - wouldn't have happened with GZ. Can't help thinking GZ with a good defensive coach would be a good combination eg GZ/MM ??? I just can't get excited about BP.
After a bad nights sleep thinking about this game;(its not even my job ffs), I am still very annoyed afer seeing such a disjointed performance. No leadership (we must NOT sell Deeney), no creativity in midfield (as always when Abdi doesn't play), Ighalo and Vydra- no link play like Deeney & Vydra; in fact nothing between the two; Dyer and Anya both on the left- 2 very similar players ? But doesn't it just show how important our KEY players are? There isn't much difference between the leagues when you take out the KEY players. viz MKDons v Man U. And I noticed many long balls last night too - wouldn't have happened with GZ. Can't help thinking GZ with a good defensive coach would be a good combination eg GZ/MM ??? I just can't get excited about BP. oldyella
  • Score: 13

8:24am Wed 27 Aug 14

andyhooked says...

Looking beyond the fact that we were so poor there are other issues to consider. Perhaps some of those that played last could slot into a first XI in the case of cover for injury or suspension as they would be supported bymuch better players and this should get thenm to raise their own game. Hoban was the best of a very ordinary bunch last night and with some good players such as Vyra unsuited to this sort of game in what was in the main a second string line up. Two thoughts I came away with from last night. It is disappointing that Murray has not kicked on and for the last few times I have seen him he has not matched what I thought was his potential. Lloyd also was well below par. He has bounced back before but this must surely, and sadly, be his last season with us.
Looking beyond the fact that we were so poor there are other issues to consider. Perhaps some of those that played last could slot into a first XI in the case of cover for injury or suspension as they would be supported bymuch better players and this should get thenm to raise their own game. Hoban was the best of a very ordinary bunch last night and with some good players such as Vyra unsuited to this sort of game in what was in the main a second string line up. Two thoughts I came away with from last night. It is disappointing that Murray has not kicked on and for the last few times I have seen him he has not matched what I thought was his potential. Lloyd also was well below par. He has bounced back before but this must surely, and sadly, be his last season with us. andyhooked
  • Score: 5

8:41am Wed 27 Aug 14

JonBoy says...

Saninno's poor English will be his downfall. I don't get him or what he is trying to do and it wouldn't surprise me if the non Itslian speaking squad are the same. In any job communication is crucial
Saninno's poor English will be his downfall. I don't get him or what he is trying to do and it wouldn't surprise me if the non Itslian speaking squad are the same. In any job communication is crucial JonBoy
  • Score: 10

9:52am Wed 27 Aug 14

Bardsley69 says...

sannino must go after this weekend. He is making changes for the sake of it, he stated that fabbrinni changed the game, if he played deeney or fessi in the first place the game wouldn't have needed changing . Tozser or abdi have to play as the mid field becomes a joke when we rely on the sulking Mcguggan, (did you see him run straight down the tunnel).
sannino must go after this weekend. He is making changes for the sake of it, he stated that fabbrinni changed the game, if he played deeney or fessi in the first place the game wouldn't have needed changing . Tozser or abdi have to play as the mid field becomes a joke when we rely on the sulking Mcguggan, (did you see him run straight down the tunnel). Bardsley69
  • Score: 2

11:26am Wed 27 Aug 14

Goldenboy1960 says...

Trying not to get emotional from the game last night. Abjectly looking at it, we played about 3 different systems in the game, and here are my points:

It seemed off the cuff and was thrown together.

The players did not seem to know their roles. We were disjointed and I think Anya played in 3 different positions. Not good.

Doncaster played to a system that was affective, organised and well planned. They were also more hungry for it than we were.

We obviously had not done our homework on our opponents.

People know this is cup football in England and the hype about what a strong squad we have got is in our brains. Nothing comes without hard work and we were there for the taking with our attitude, and I just don't mean on the pitch.

There appeared to be a lot of frustration within the players last night as it seemed they were not comfortable.

Its pointless picking out individuals. Those players have done well for us before. McGugan was very unlucky with the shot that rasped the bar, which could have changed the game, and Dyer took his goal very well. But they looked angry and you could see that in Dyer with his goal celebration once again.

We were very poor individually and as a unit, and I know everyone knows that. You have those nights sometimes, but last night seemed different. I didn't think McGugan was any poorer than the other players, but there does seem to be a personal vendetta between him and Sannino.

I am concerned that this season could blow up in our faces. This needs to be sorted immediately.

Man Utd will also be feeling the pain this morning. Welcome to English football and the demands it brings. NO GAME IS EASY. Van Gaal is paid enormous amounts of money but I bet he didn't see that one coming. How good is he now..... we will see.

In my opinion it is about time cup football is taken more seriously. Do well in the cup and it brings enthusiasm and a confidence to a club, it's players and it's fans. It helps build a momentum. If a player gets injured then we have a squad to bring in a replacement. If the atmosphere is good he just 'fits in'.

I think it needs a different mentality. Players are not tired if they are winning and doing well.Changing a whole 11 and playing a) a different system, and b) changing it twice in the game smacks of desperation.

This needs addressing...
Trying not to get emotional from the game last night. Abjectly looking at it, we played about 3 different systems in the game, and here are my points: It seemed off the cuff and was thrown together. The players did not seem to know their roles. We were disjointed and I think Anya played in 3 different positions. Not good. Doncaster played to a system that was affective, organised and well planned. They were also more hungry for it than we were. We obviously had not done our homework on our opponents. People know this is cup football in England and the hype about what a strong squad we have got is in our brains. Nothing comes without hard work and we were there for the taking with our attitude, and I just don't mean on the pitch. There appeared to be a lot of frustration within the players last night as it seemed they were not comfortable. Its pointless picking out individuals. Those players have done well for us before. McGugan was very unlucky with the shot that rasped the bar, which could have changed the game, and Dyer took his goal very well. But they looked angry and you could see that in Dyer with his goal celebration once again. We were very poor individually and as a unit, and I know everyone knows that. You have those nights sometimes, but last night seemed different. I didn't think McGugan was any poorer than the other players, but there does seem to be a personal vendetta between him and Sannino. I am concerned that this season could blow up in our faces. This needs to be sorted immediately. Man Utd will also be feeling the pain this morning. Welcome to English football and the demands it brings. NO GAME IS EASY. Van Gaal is paid enormous amounts of money but I bet he didn't see that one coming. How good is he now..... we will see. In my opinion it is about time cup football is taken more seriously. Do well in the cup and it brings enthusiasm and a confidence to a club, it's players and it's fans. It helps build a momentum. If a player gets injured then we have a squad to bring in a replacement. If the atmosphere is good he just 'fits in'. I think it needs a different mentality. Players are not tired if they are winning and doing well.Changing a whole 11 and playing a) a different system, and b) changing it twice in the game smacks of desperation. This needs addressing... Goldenboy1960
  • Score: 8

12:20pm Wed 27 Aug 14

Hampshire hornet says...

BS .. Time to go... Ideal opportunity to keep the whole squad interested, now we are left with the league and a short FA cup run... (We might get 3 FA cup games? ) how are the squad going to stay energized? I see many disillusioned players and the fans WILL soon follow! come on Watford, he was only an interim Manager, move him on before too much damage is done
BS .. Time to go... Ideal opportunity to keep the whole squad interested, now we are left with the league and a short FA cup run... (We might get 3 FA cup games? ) how are the squad going to stay energized? I see many disillusioned players and the fans WILL soon follow! come on Watford, he was only an interim Manager, move him on before too much damage is done Hampshire hornet
  • Score: 3

12:26pm Wed 27 Aug 14

corbindallas says...

dominicfoleyisgod wrote:
You lot are a joke! That is the team that all fans had said on here and the forum and twitter...then people suddenly saying it should have been a blend!
Start of the season all the "fans" saying 'it's great having such a big squad so we can change 11 players for the cups and keep people fresh for the league'...then suddenly we lose a game and it's all a big deal.

Second in the league, 9 players rested and the all important league game to come Saturday. A win there and we could be top! Dyer will start Saturday as BS handled that well and we go again. The man can do no right. We have some terrible 'supporters'.
The problem is we are not playing comfortable football with the 1st team or second team and there is some poor man managment going on, as pointed out per match there are issues with positions, player choice, subs, team moral, gelling the list goes on and only one person is to blame for that and that is the head coach, BS seems to have a desire to do things his way and thats fine but by trying to do it in a way that does not include the buy in from players is fatal and as a paying customer I do not like watching what I believe is the implosion of our club by poor decisions. Nice guys do not make good managers, and pi**ing off your players is not team building or gelling them when it matters, how long are some going to put their heads in the sand to this!! It is clear Dyer and McGugan have raised their heads against this and it is clear others are nowhere near the standard we know they are capable of, why is this!
[quote][p][bold]dominicfoleyisgod[/bold] wrote: You lot are a joke! That is the team that all fans had said on here and the forum and twitter...then people suddenly saying it should have been a blend! Start of the season all the "fans" saying 'it's great having such a big squad so we can change 11 players for the cups and keep people fresh for the league'...then suddenly we lose a game and it's all a big deal. Second in the league, 9 players rested and the all important league game to come Saturday. A win there and we could be top! Dyer will start Saturday as BS handled that well and we go again. The man can do no right. We have some terrible 'supporters'.[/p][/quote]The problem is we are not playing comfortable football with the 1st team or second team and there is some poor man managment going on, as pointed out per match there are issues with positions, player choice, subs, team moral, gelling the list goes on and only one person is to blame for that and that is the head coach, BS seems to have a desire to do things his way and thats fine but by trying to do it in a way that does not include the buy in from players is fatal and as a paying customer I do not like watching what I believe is the implosion of our club by poor decisions. Nice guys do not make good managers, and pi**ing off your players is not team building or gelling them when it matters, how long are some going to put their heads in the sand to this!! It is clear Dyer and McGugan have raised their heads against this and it is clear others are nowhere near the standard we know they are capable of, why is this! corbindallas
  • Score: 6

1:56pm Wed 27 Aug 14

MJ1 says...

Andrew1963 wrote:
The players barely looked interested. Is that because it's the league cup or the manager or they forget they are paid entertainers and we buy tickets to see them perform? I thought the only positive was Dyer. How Hoban got MoM is a mystery, he looked off the pace. Anya and Andrews could not make a pass, and Vydra had no energy. Murray looks like a player lost and on the path followed by Ross Jenkins. If we get 3 points on Sqturday all will be well, if not then things need to change, as the sum of the parts is less than the whole at the moment.
Is this the Andrew 1963 who said "We'll rip this lot apart" before the match? BTW I still owe you for my ticket. Can't imagine how I
forgot to pay you ;-)
[quote][p][bold]Andrew1963[/bold] wrote: The players barely looked interested. Is that because it's the league cup or the manager or they forget they are paid entertainers and we buy tickets to see them perform? I thought the only positive was Dyer. How Hoban got MoM is a mystery, he looked off the pace. Anya and Andrews could not make a pass, and Vydra had no energy. Murray looks like a player lost and on the path followed by Ross Jenkins. If we get 3 points on Sqturday all will be well, if not then things need to change, as the sum of the parts is less than the whole at the moment.[/p][/quote]Is this the Andrew 1963 who said "We'll rip this lot apart" before the match? BTW I still owe you for my ticket. Can't imagine how I forgot to pay you ;-) MJ1
  • Score: -1

5:40pm Wed 27 Aug 14

goldenboytoo says...

Hate the way so called "bigger" sides just give up on this tournament. There's a European place on offer for goodness sake! It almost seems the law now that anyone from the Prem or Championship automatically put out their second string. Agree this is well down the list of priorities compared to promotion BUT a good run is the perfect opportunity for the whole squad to come together, it makes some extra cash and, when a side has a big squad like ours, gives everybody valuable game time. Our mistake (and that of Man U I noticed too) was that we didn't even have any heavyweights on the bench when the time came to stop fannying around and get back and win the game.
Hate the way so called "bigger" sides just give up on this tournament. There's a European place on offer for goodness sake! It almost seems the law now that anyone from the Prem or Championship automatically put out their second string. Agree this is well down the list of priorities compared to promotion BUT a good run is the perfect opportunity for the whole squad to come together, it makes some extra cash and, when a side has a big squad like ours, gives everybody valuable game time. Our mistake (and that of Man U I noticed too) was that we didn't even have any heavyweights on the bench when the time came to stop fannying around and get back and win the game. goldenboytoo
  • Score: 1

9:25pm Wed 27 Aug 14

neil-bs says...

dominicfoleyisgod wrote:
You lot are a joke! That is the team that all fans had said on here and the forum and twitter...then people suddenly saying it should have been a blend!
Start of the season all the "fans" saying 'it's great having such a big squad so we can change 11 players for the cups and keep people fresh for the league'...then suddenly we lose a game and it's all a big deal.

Second in the league, 9 players rested and the all important league game to come Saturday. A win there and we could be top! Dyer will start Saturday as BS handled that well and we go again. The man can do no right. We have some terrible 'supporters'.
You have got a point or two but I think you may be overdoing your criticism. I do understand the disappointment of some fans, although a lot seem to be as thick as two short planks. However, I too am disappointed. The very fact that our squad is so big, and on paper so good, I thought that a cup run would help keep the players who aren't getting into the first team regularly, a bit happier. Unfortunately they, probably with the manager's help, blew it. Unfortunately, Watford does not seem to be functioning like a well-oiled machine and I have to say that, in the Pozzos 3rd season we would/should, at least, have achieved that.
[quote][p][bold]dominicfoleyisgod[/bold] wrote: You lot are a joke! That is the team that all fans had said on here and the forum and twitter...then people suddenly saying it should have been a blend! Start of the season all the "fans" saying 'it's great having such a big squad so we can change 11 players for the cups and keep people fresh for the league'...then suddenly we lose a game and it's all a big deal. Second in the league, 9 players rested and the all important league game to come Saturday. A win there and we could be top! Dyer will start Saturday as BS handled that well and we go again. The man can do no right. We have some terrible 'supporters'.[/p][/quote]You have got a point or two but I think you may be overdoing your criticism. I do understand the disappointment of some fans, although a lot seem to be as thick as two short planks. However, I too am disappointed. The very fact that our squad is so big, and on paper so good, I thought that a cup run would help keep the players who aren't getting into the first team regularly, a bit happier. Unfortunately they, probably with the manager's help, blew it. Unfortunately, Watford does not seem to be functioning like a well-oiled machine and I have to say that, in the Pozzos 3rd season we would/should, at least, have achieved that. neil-bs
  • Score: 0

9:40pm Wed 27 Aug 14

neil-bs says...

oldyella wrote:
After a bad nights sleep thinking about this game;(its not even my job ffs), I am still very annoyed afer seeing such a disjointed performance. No leadership (we must NOT sell Deeney), no creativity in midfield (as always when Abdi doesn't play), Ighalo and Vydra- no link play like Deeney & Vydra; in fact nothing between the two; Dyer and Anya both on the left- 2 very similar players ?
But doesn't it just show how important our KEY players are? There isn't much difference between the leagues when you take out the KEY players.
viz MKDons v Man U.
And I noticed many long balls last night too - wouldn't have happened with GZ. Can't help thinking GZ with a good defensive coach would be a good combination eg GZ/MM ??? I just can't get excited about BP.
Zola might make a good assistant to a good manager but not the other way round. Zola doesn't hack it as the boss but as second in command, OK.
[quote][p][bold]oldyella[/bold] wrote: After a bad nights sleep thinking about this game;(its not even my job ffs), I am still very annoyed afer seeing such a disjointed performance. No leadership (we must NOT sell Deeney), no creativity in midfield (as always when Abdi doesn't play), Ighalo and Vydra- no link play like Deeney & Vydra; in fact nothing between the two; Dyer and Anya both on the left- 2 very similar players ? But doesn't it just show how important our KEY players are? There isn't much difference between the leagues when you take out the KEY players. viz MKDons v Man U. And I noticed many long balls last night too - wouldn't have happened with GZ. Can't help thinking GZ with a good defensive coach would be a good combination eg GZ/MM ??? I just can't get excited about BP.[/p][/quote]Zola might make a good assistant to a good manager but not the other way round. Zola doesn't hack it as the boss but as second in command, OK. neil-bs
  • Score: 0

10:11pm Wed 27 Aug 14

1234566789 says...

goldanboy wrote:
So seems we don't have a huge squad of talent like some posters think. Send half of tonight's team out on loan to a league lower and let's have a good squad of 16. I don't buy this distraction theory. A good cup run keeps everyone fresh and builds confidence. Couldn't go tonight, but fair play to 7000 who turned up to watch us give up on a cup run.
A squad of 16? Won't even be able to name a full subs bench....
[quote][p][bold]goldanboy[/bold] wrote: So seems we don't have a huge squad of talent like some posters think. Send half of tonight's team out on loan to a league lower and let's have a good squad of 16. I don't buy this distraction theory. A good cup run keeps everyone fresh and builds confidence. Couldn't go tonight, but fair play to 7000 who turned up to watch us give up on a cup run.[/p][/quote]A squad of 16? Won't even be able to name a full subs bench.... 1234566789
  • Score: 0
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