Beppe Sannino says Doncaster Rovers deserved their 2-1 victory over his Watford side in the League Cup second round tonight

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Beppe Sannino says Doncaster Rovers deserved their 2-1 victory over his Watford side tonight but believes the starting XI he picked was strong enough to win the Capital One Cup second round tie.

The Golden Boys head coach made nine changes to his side and recalled Lloyd Dyer and Lewis McGugan to the starting line-up.

After Nathan Tyson had fired Rovers in front from the penalty spot, Dyer thumped home an equaliser on the half hour mark.

However, the Hornets were poor in the second period and struggled to create a clear chance.

They fell behind when Liam Wakefield converted from close range and it proved enough to seal Doncaster’s passage into the third round.

Sannino admitted he was disappointed after the contest and said: “We can’t speak too much about this game because Doncaster played better than us and they deserved to win.

“I gave a chance to all the players. Before the match I spoke with them and I said ‘you have to put me in a difficult position when it comes to picking my next starting XI.’

“For me, tonight, I was disappointed. We had a lot of fans here at Vicarage Road tonight and they deserved another match, a spectacular show.”

When asked if the starting XI was good enough to defeat Rovers, Sannino replied: “Yes. We must win. But in football, this sport is very unique because the result is never exact.

“To win you need to run more than the opponent and you need to play better than the opponent. Tonight Doncaster deserved to win this match because they played better.”

Sannino said he was “a little bit happy” because of the effort shown by his players during the match but added: “Tonight we needed the other qualities that we didn’t see on the pitch.”

Watford started the contest in a 3-5-2 formation but quickly switched to a 4-3-3 system once they fell behind.

It allowed Dyer to move forward from wing-back to his favoured position as an attacking winger and he netted the equaliser soon after.

“I watched Dyer so far in this position (as wing-back) and changed the system to 4-3-3. I put Dyer in a more advanced position,” Sannino explained.

“I am happy for him (Dyer) but I have to watch all the players; everybody. I am not a gaffer for just one or two players.

“I put players on the pitch that I watch every week and every day and I pick the best players for me. This is the job of the gaffer.”

One of the few positives from the game was the performance of Diego Fabbrini.

The Italian was introduced with 15 minutes remaining and attempted to liven up the Hornets attack. He tried to commit opposition defenders to tackles and drew several fouls. 

On his display, Sannino said: “Fabbrini is a better player when we are being positive. It was important we put Fabbrini on the pitch.

“We will forget this match. This mentality is needed.”

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11:09pm Tue 26 Aug 14

bristol hornet says...

Taxi for Beppe?

Nine changes is just too many for one game!

And no impact subs on the bench!

The jury "was out" on Beppe, but I think it has just come in!
Taxi for Beppe? Nine changes is just too many for one game! And no impact subs on the bench! The jury "was out" on Beppe, but I think it has just come in! bristol hornet
  • Score: 121

11:15pm Tue 26 Aug 14

stevemag says...

If Beppe had played Abdi, Toszer, Fessi and Troy .... And lost, we would then complain that they hadn't been rested because Saturday was more important.
If Beppe had played Abdi, Toszer, Fessi and Troy .... And lost, we would then complain that they hadn't been rested because Saturday was more important. stevemag
  • Score: 59

11:37pm Tue 26 Aug 14

Andrew1963 says...

The starting 11 did little to put the first choices under pressure. No real response to the energy of Doncaster. But it is the League Cup, and am bothered, probably not if we win on Saturday. Overall the players showed little interest, and I was pleased we did not equalise and had to endure another 30 minutes.
The starting 11 did little to put the first choices under pressure. No real response to the energy of Doncaster. But it is the League Cup, and am bothered, probably not if we win on Saturday. Overall the players showed little interest, and I was pleased we did not equalise and had to endure another 30 minutes. Andrew1963
  • Score: 14

11:38pm Tue 26 Aug 14

SJM...laugh at luton says...

Best for Watford to exit this Micky mouse cup...

If u want to get to the premier league...then no distractions on the way...

Focus on best team for Huddersfield game at the weekend...
Best for Watford to exit this Micky mouse cup... If u want to get to the premier league...then no distractions on the way... Focus on best team for Huddersfield game at the weekend... SJM...laugh at luton
  • Score: -4

12:09am Wed 27 Aug 14

WessexLad says...

Beppe is right: the side he put out should have been strong enough to beat Doncaster. So the fact that they didn't has to be down to the tactics, and that has to be down to the manager.
Beppe is right: the side he put out should have been strong enough to beat Doncaster. So the fact that they didn't has to be down to the tactics, and that has to be down to the manager. WessexLad
  • Score: -19

12:21am Wed 27 Aug 14

mkhornet says...

Not one of those players can complain if they don't get selected on Saturday. Let's all hope that Manuel Almunia get's well soon and wish him good luck in his retirement.
Not one of those players can complain if they don't get selected on Saturday. Let's all hope that Manuel Almunia get's well soon and wish him good luck in his retirement. mkhornet
  • Score: 47

12:40am Wed 27 Aug 14

PozzoHornet says...

I think people are being a bit too dismissive of this result. The fact that a starting XI including players such as Dyer, Vydra and Ighalo were so poor going forward is worrying. Now I know you'll say "Dyer? But he scored!", and whilst that's true, Dyer was not making penetrative runs, and most of the time was happy to receive the ball in to feet and play a sideways pass back the way it came. Also, the off the ball movement from Vydra in particular was non-existent. I don't feel confident that switching to a front 3 every time we're in trouble is the answer.
I think people are being a bit too dismissive of this result. The fact that a starting XI including players such as Dyer, Vydra and Ighalo were so poor going forward is worrying. Now I know you'll say "Dyer? But he scored!", and whilst that's true, Dyer was not making penetrative runs, and most of the time was happy to receive the ball in to feet and play a sideways pass back the way it came. Also, the off the ball movement from Vydra in particular was non-existent. I don't feel confident that switching to a front 3 every time we're in trouble is the answer. PozzoHornet
  • Score: 14

12:57am Wed 27 Aug 14

PozzoHornet says...

WessexLad wrote:
Beppe is right: the side he put out should have been strong enough to beat Doncaster. So the fact that they didn't has to be down to the tactics, and that has to be down to the manager.
What would you suggest the manager do differently?

There are many people on this site who will happily moan and groan that a manager, whether it be Sannino or Zola, hasn't got their tactics right. But if you ask them, they won't be able to say where they went wrong/what they should have done better. The usual answer is something along the lines of, "I don't have all the answers". The problem is, if you can identify a problem, then you should naturally be able to at least *suggest* how to rectify it.

Ultimately, tactics are not the be all and end all of football. Of course, they're important, but not every match is lost down to bad tactics. Sometimes the players don't execute the tactics well enough, either because they are unfit, or because they aren't good enough, or because they aren't used to playing with each other etc. etc. The list of reasons other than just 'bad tactics' goes on.

And sometimes, like tonight, the other team play very well, while we don't. Now, I don't know exactly why we were so poor tonight. What I won't do, however, is immediately blame the manager for his mystery 'bad tactics', which none of you naysayers can ever seem to pin down.
[quote][p][bold]WessexLad[/bold] wrote: Beppe is right: the side he put out should have been strong enough to beat Doncaster. So the fact that they didn't has to be down to the tactics, and that has to be down to the manager.[/p][/quote]What would you suggest the manager do differently? There are many people on this site who will happily moan and groan that a manager, whether it be Sannino or Zola, hasn't got their tactics right. But if you ask them, they won't be able to say where they went wrong/what they should have done better. The usual answer is something along the lines of, "I don't have all the answers". The problem is, if you can identify a problem, then you should naturally be able to at least *suggest* how to rectify it. Ultimately, tactics are not the be all and end all of football. Of course, they're important, but not every match is lost down to bad tactics. Sometimes the players don't execute the tactics well enough, either because they are unfit, or because they aren't good enough, or because they aren't used to playing with each other etc. etc. The list of reasons other than just 'bad tactics' goes on. And sometimes, like tonight, the other team play very well, while we don't. Now, I don't know exactly why we were so poor tonight. What I won't do, however, is immediately blame the manager for his mystery 'bad tactics', which none of you naysayers can ever seem to pin down. PozzoHornet
  • Score: 32

1:24am Wed 27 Aug 14

D.unstable says...

PozzoHornet wrote:
WessexLad wrote:
Beppe is right: the side he put out should have been strong enough to beat Doncaster. So the fact that they didn't has to be down to the tactics, and that has to be down to the manager.
What would you suggest the manager do differently?

There are many people on this site who will happily moan and groan that a manager, whether it be Sannino or Zola, hasn't got their tactics right. But if you ask them, they won't be able to say where they went wrong/what they should have done better. The usual answer is something along the lines of, "I don't have all the answers". The problem is, if you can identify a problem, then you should naturally be able to at least *suggest* how to rectify it.

Ultimately, tactics are not the be all and end all of football. Of course, they're important, but not every match is lost down to bad tactics. Sometimes the players don't execute the tactics well enough, either because they are unfit, or because they aren't good enough, or because they aren't used to playing with each other etc. etc. The list of reasons other than just 'bad tactics' goes on.

And sometimes, like tonight, the other team play very well, while we don't. Now, I don't know exactly why we were so poor tonight. What I won't do, however, is immediately blame the manager for his mystery 'bad tactics', which none of you naysayers can ever seem to pin down.
What I would say is on paper our starting 11 tonight would walk into any Doncaster 1st team, not meaning any disrespect to them. For whatever reason we had 11 individuals on show tonight who looked as though they hadn't met each other let alone played together before. This to me smacks of a lack of direction or motivation, which ultimately falls on one person.

To state that the opposition were better than us and we should forget about this game is not the answer Beppe. This cup competition is the much needed game time that such a large squad is apparently complaining that they are not getting, one good reason why we should have done our homework.

Overall very disappointed.
[quote][p][bold]PozzoHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WessexLad[/bold] wrote: Beppe is right: the side he put out should have been strong enough to beat Doncaster. So the fact that they didn't has to be down to the tactics, and that has to be down to the manager.[/p][/quote]What would you suggest the manager do differently? There are many people on this site who will happily moan and groan that a manager, whether it be Sannino or Zola, hasn't got their tactics right. But if you ask them, they won't be able to say where they went wrong/what they should have done better. The usual answer is something along the lines of, "I don't have all the answers". The problem is, if you can identify a problem, then you should naturally be able to at least *suggest* how to rectify it. Ultimately, tactics are not the be all and end all of football. Of course, they're important, but not every match is lost down to bad tactics. Sometimes the players don't execute the tactics well enough, either because they are unfit, or because they aren't good enough, or because they aren't used to playing with each other etc. etc. The list of reasons other than just 'bad tactics' goes on. And sometimes, like tonight, the other team play very well, while we don't. Now, I don't know exactly why we were so poor tonight. What I won't do, however, is immediately blame the manager for his mystery 'bad tactics', which none of you naysayers can ever seem to pin down.[/p][/quote]What I would say is on paper our starting 11 tonight would walk into any Doncaster 1st team, not meaning any disrespect to them. For whatever reason we had 11 individuals on show tonight who looked as though they hadn't met each other let alone played together before. This to me smacks of a lack of direction or motivation, which ultimately falls on one person. To state that the opposition were better than us and we should forget about this game is not the answer Beppe. This cup competition is the much needed game time that such a large squad is apparently complaining that they are not getting, one good reason why we should have done our homework. Overall very disappointed. D.unstable
  • Score: 16

1:31am Wed 27 Aug 14

Roger Joslyn says...

For those of you that booed at the end....shame on you. We're 2nd in the league for Pete's sake with a far more important game on Saturday. BS took a chance in hope we would progress without our strongest side out tonight; we didn't get away with it. Simple. 3 pts on Saturday and we might be top of the league come ten to five.
For those of you that booed at the end....shame on you. We're 2nd in the league for Pete's sake with a far more important game on Saturday. BS took a chance in hope we would progress without our strongest side out tonight; we didn't get away with it. Simple. 3 pts on Saturday and we might be top of the league come ten to five. Roger Joslyn
  • Score: 7

4:13am Wed 27 Aug 14

Bobbyhowfield says...

It was said last year the Leicester were successful ecause they kept the same system all year , she. A player was injured or the manager wanted to freshen things up he just changed the player notf the system.
On Saturday the midfield were picking out Pudil with great passes all afternoon last night I can hardly remember one
It was said last year the Leicester were successful ecause they kept the same system all year , she. A player was injured or the manager wanted to freshen things up he just changed the player notf the system. On Saturday the midfield were picking out Pudil with great passes all afternoon last night I can hardly remember one Bobbyhowfield
  • Score: -9

4:21am Wed 27 Aug 14

S Butts says...

Execution of tactics should have been practiced and perfected during training before the match. If one or two players are having trouble following the game plan you can criticize individuals. If the whole team performs badly following the tactics then those tactics should rightly be questioned. I think Forestierri did well on Saturday because when he got the ball he just used his own initiative and attacked the opposition rather than trying to make a set piece move taught during training work.

The Watford side had simply not prepared well enough to face Doncaster. There were too many bad passes because team mates were not where they were expected to be.

It is worrying to hear say that this match should be forgotten, it was not that important. Important lessons can be learnt from the match if there is a willingness to learn. Beppe again not taking any responsibility for preparation and tactics and simply hinting at poor player attitude suggests that those lessons will not be learnt.
Execution of tactics should have been practiced and perfected during training before the match. If one or two players are having trouble following the game plan you can criticize individuals. If the whole team performs badly following the tactics then those tactics should rightly be questioned. I think Forestierri did well on Saturday because when he got the ball he just used his own initiative and attacked the opposition rather than trying to make a set piece move taught during training work. The Watford side had simply not prepared well enough to face Doncaster. There were too many bad passes because team mates were not where they were expected to be. It is worrying to hear say that this match should be forgotten, it was not that important. Important lessons can be learnt from the match if there is a willingness to learn. Beppe again not taking any responsibility for preparation and tactics and simply hinting at poor player attitude suggests that those lessons will not be learnt. S Butts
  • Score: 22

5:49am Wed 27 Aug 14

lutondown says...

D.unstable wrote:
PozzoHornet wrote:
WessexLad wrote:
Beppe is right: the side he put out should have been strong enough to beat Doncaster. So the fact that they didn't has to be down to the tactics, and that has to be down to the manager.
What would you suggest the manager do differently?

There are many people on this site who will happily moan and groan that a manager, whether it be Sannino or Zola, hasn't got their tactics right. But if you ask them, they won't be able to say where they went wrong/what they should have done better. The usual answer is something along the lines of, "I don't have all the answers". The problem is, if you can identify a problem, then you should naturally be able to at least *suggest* how to rectify it.

Ultimately, tactics are not the be all and end all of football. Of course, they're important, but not every match is lost down to bad tactics. Sometimes the players don't execute the tactics well enough, either because they are unfit, or because they aren't good enough, or because they aren't used to playing with each other etc. etc. The list of reasons other than just 'bad tactics' goes on.

And sometimes, like tonight, the other team play very well, while we don't. Now, I don't know exactly why we were so poor tonight. What I won't do, however, is immediately blame the manager for his mystery 'bad tactics', which none of you naysayers can ever seem to pin down.
What I would say is on paper our starting 11 tonight would walk into any Doncaster 1st team, not meaning any disrespect to them. For whatever reason we had 11 individuals on show tonight who looked as though they hadn't met each other let alone played together before. This to me smacks of a lack of direction or motivation, which ultimately falls on one person.

To state that the opposition were better than us and we should forget about this game is not the answer Beppe. This cup competition is the much needed game time that such a large squad is apparently complaining that they are not getting, one good reason why we should have done our homework.

Overall very disappointed.
From what I saw the Doncaster team could walk into our team.
A little bit happy? Clowns usually are.
Cuckoo
[quote][p][bold]D.unstable[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PozzoHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WessexLad[/bold] wrote: Beppe is right: the side he put out should have been strong enough to beat Doncaster. So the fact that they didn't has to be down to the tactics, and that has to be down to the manager.[/p][/quote]What would you suggest the manager do differently? There are many people on this site who will happily moan and groan that a manager, whether it be Sannino or Zola, hasn't got their tactics right. But if you ask them, they won't be able to say where they went wrong/what they should have done better. The usual answer is something along the lines of, "I don't have all the answers". The problem is, if you can identify a problem, then you should naturally be able to at least *suggest* how to rectify it. Ultimately, tactics are not the be all and end all of football. Of course, they're important, but not every match is lost down to bad tactics. Sometimes the players don't execute the tactics well enough, either because they are unfit, or because they aren't good enough, or because they aren't used to playing with each other etc. etc. The list of reasons other than just 'bad tactics' goes on. And sometimes, like tonight, the other team play very well, while we don't. Now, I don't know exactly why we were so poor tonight. What I won't do, however, is immediately blame the manager for his mystery 'bad tactics', which none of you naysayers can ever seem to pin down.[/p][/quote]What I would say is on paper our starting 11 tonight would walk into any Doncaster 1st team, not meaning any disrespect to them. For whatever reason we had 11 individuals on show tonight who looked as though they hadn't met each other let alone played together before. This to me smacks of a lack of direction or motivation, which ultimately falls on one person. To state that the opposition were better than us and we should forget about this game is not the answer Beppe. This cup competition is the much needed game time that such a large squad is apparently complaining that they are not getting, one good reason why we should have done our homework. Overall very disappointed.[/p][/quote]From what I saw the Doncaster team could walk into our team. A little bit happy? Clowns usually are. Cuckoo lutondown
  • Score: -1

6:34am Wed 27 Aug 14

YoKsHiRe.....HoRn!!!!!!! says...

When's this clown leaving?
When's this clown leaving? YoKsHiRe.....HoRn!!!!!!!
  • Score: -1

6:41am Wed 27 Aug 14

mellow yellow says...

The magic of cup competitions, eh? For me, one of the saddest aspects of modern day football is the steady drip feed of ambivalence that has seeped through to the second tier regarding team selections for cup games. It started with the top premier league teams, following the formation of the 'champions' league and gets worse every year. Sure, rest a few players, but just chucking a load together in the hope it will pay off is not only disrespectful to the opponents, in a way, but to US the fans. Cup shocks used to mean something, but the upsets in this round are because of whole sale changes. Bet Donny were fired up when they saw the team sheets.

So, why enter these competitions? A chance for the second string to play a game or two? The results only seem to be 'look at our strength in depth. Wow!' Or 'the manager is clueless. The players can't be bothered!' And it breeds negativity on this site and others.

As some have said it's all about the league. When we got to Wembley back in '84 it actually meant something. There were only two opportunities a season. Now you can play there in a cup semi too. And, given the choice between FA CUP final or PLAY OFF final what would we prefer?!

It saddens me that the magic has gone, but I have to accept it pretty much has. With that also comes an acceptance that I just can't get fired up about the result last night. Which makes me as bad as the players (most of them) on the pitch last night.

Roll on Saturday. I'm not convinced with Beppe, though. But can wait October...
The magic of cup competitions, eh? For me, one of the saddest aspects of modern day football is the steady drip feed of ambivalence that has seeped through to the second tier regarding team selections for cup games. It started with the top premier league teams, following the formation of the 'champions' league and gets worse every year. Sure, rest a few players, but just chucking a load together in the hope it will pay off is not only disrespectful to the opponents, in a way, but to US the fans. Cup shocks used to mean something, but the upsets in this round are because of whole sale changes. Bet Donny were fired up when they saw the team sheets. So, why enter these competitions? A chance for the second string to play a game or two? The results only seem to be 'look at our strength in depth. Wow!' Or 'the manager is clueless. The players can't be bothered!' And it breeds negativity on this site and others. As some have said it's all about the league. When we got to Wembley back in '84 it actually meant something. There were only two opportunities a season. Now you can play there in a cup semi too. And, given the choice between FA CUP final or PLAY OFF final what would we prefer?! It saddens me that the magic has gone, but I have to accept it pretty much has. With that also comes an acceptance that I just can't get fired up about the result last night. Which makes me as bad as the players (most of them) on the pitch last night. Roll on Saturday. I'm not convinced with Beppe, though. But can wait October... mellow yellow
  • Score: 26

6:49am Wed 27 Aug 14

lutondown says...

mellow yellow wrote:
The magic of cup competitions, eh? For me, one of the saddest aspects of modern day football is the steady drip feed of ambivalence that has seeped through to the second tier regarding team selections for cup games. It started with the top premier league teams, following the formation of the 'champions' league and gets worse every year. Sure, rest a few players, but just chucking a load together in the hope it will pay off is not only disrespectful to the opponents, in a way, but to US the fans. Cup shocks used to mean something, but the upsets in this round are because of whole sale changes. Bet Donny were fired up when they saw the team sheets.

So, why enter these competitions? A chance for the second string to play a game or two? The results only seem to be 'look at our strength in depth. Wow!' Or 'the manager is clueless. The players can't be bothered!' And it breeds negativity on this site and others.

As some have said it's all about the league. When we got to Wembley back in '84 it actually meant something. There were only two opportunities a season. Now you can play there in a cup semi too. And, given the choice between FA CUP final or PLAY OFF final what would we prefer?!

It saddens me that the magic has gone, but I have to accept it pretty much has. With that also comes an acceptance that I just can't get fired up about the result last night. Which makes me as bad as the players (most of them) on the pitch last night.

Roll on Saturday. I'm not convinced with Beppe, though. But can wait October...
Thing is, much as the more patient fans can wait, the rest of the teams won't and that's for sure.
The camp keep saying we have two teams that can compete, and on paper I agree but there has to be some kind of accord and balance. That was evidently missing last night.
[quote][p][bold]mellow yellow[/bold] wrote: The magic of cup competitions, eh? For me, one of the saddest aspects of modern day football is the steady drip feed of ambivalence that has seeped through to the second tier regarding team selections for cup games. It started with the top premier league teams, following the formation of the 'champions' league and gets worse every year. Sure, rest a few players, but just chucking a load together in the hope it will pay off is not only disrespectful to the opponents, in a way, but to US the fans. Cup shocks used to mean something, but the upsets in this round are because of whole sale changes. Bet Donny were fired up when they saw the team sheets. So, why enter these competitions? A chance for the second string to play a game or two? The results only seem to be 'look at our strength in depth. Wow!' Or 'the manager is clueless. The players can't be bothered!' And it breeds negativity on this site and others. As some have said it's all about the league. When we got to Wembley back in '84 it actually meant something. There were only two opportunities a season. Now you can play there in a cup semi too. And, given the choice between FA CUP final or PLAY OFF final what would we prefer?! It saddens me that the magic has gone, but I have to accept it pretty much has. With that also comes an acceptance that I just can't get fired up about the result last night. Which makes me as bad as the players (most of them) on the pitch last night. Roll on Saturday. I'm not convinced with Beppe, though. But can wait October...[/p][/quote]Thing is, much as the more patient fans can wait, the rest of the teams won't and that's for sure. The camp keep saying we have two teams that can compete, and on paper I agree but there has to be some kind of accord and balance. That was evidently missing last night. lutondown
  • Score: 19

7:20am Wed 27 Aug 14

DuncanWelbourne'sshinpad says...

Cheer up, Lads . We could be Man U fans !!!!!
Cheer up, Lads . We could be Man U fans !!!!! DuncanWelbourne'sshinpad
  • Score: -7

7:39am Wed 27 Aug 14

exeterhornet says...

I am not a Beppe is God type but for pity's sake, our second string got stuffed by a useful side one division below us. I get the impression that if we won the next six and then lost that the anti Beppe crowd would immediately be out spitting more venom. We live in an age where people form an opinion and then stick to it despite evidence suggesting they are wrong. What I am saying is I haven't got a clue whether he is the right fit in the long term but last night is surely not enough evidence to say that he isn't. Last night may have been useful in so far as he may be able to see who is not good enough, who should go out on loan, and areas where perhaps we still need cover. For those crying out for his sacking now, take a long look at yourself in the mirror and be honest, how perfect are you at your job?
I am not a Beppe is God type but for pity's sake, our second string got stuffed by a useful side one division below us. I get the impression that if we won the next six and then lost that the anti Beppe crowd would immediately be out spitting more venom. We live in an age where people form an opinion and then stick to it despite evidence suggesting they are wrong. What I am saying is I haven't got a clue whether he is the right fit in the long term but last night is surely not enough evidence to say that he isn't. Last night may have been useful in so far as he may be able to see who is not good enough, who should go out on loan, and areas where perhaps we still need cover. For those crying out for his sacking now, take a long look at yourself in the mirror and be honest, how perfect are you at your job? exeterhornet
  • Score: 27

8:14am Wed 27 Aug 14

HertsPeter says...

mellow yellow wrote:
The magic of cup competitions, eh? For me, one of the saddest aspects of modern day football is the steady drip feed of ambivalence that has seeped through to the second tier regarding team selections for cup games. It started with the top premier league teams, following the formation of the 'champions' league and gets worse every year. Sure, rest a few players, but just chucking a load together in the hope it will pay off is not only disrespectful to the opponents, in a way, but to US the fans. Cup shocks used to mean something, but the upsets in this round are because of whole sale changes. Bet Donny were fired up when they saw the team sheets. So, why enter these competitions? A chance for the second string to play a game or two? The results only seem to be 'look at our strength in depth. Wow!' Or 'the manager is clueless. The players can't be bothered!' And it breeds negativity on this site and others. As some have said it's all about the league. When we got to Wembley back in '84 it actually meant something. There were only two opportunities a season. Now you can play there in a cup semi too. And, given the choice between FA CUP final or PLAY OFF final what would we prefer?! It saddens me that the magic has gone, but I have to accept it pretty much has. With that also comes an acceptance that I just can't get fired up about the result last night. Which makes me as bad as the players (most of them) on the pitch last night. Roll on Saturday. I'm not convinced with Beppe, though. But can wait October...
I agree entirely about the Cup competitions. I am a ST holder but passed on last night (and Stevenage) because Watford, as so many clubs, place such a low priority on progressing in the League Cup in particular. For me to part with good money, I want to see an 'A' team out for all competitive fixtures.

I also think tying this in with criticism of Sannino is daft. At present I feel he has done more than enough to keep his job - including an apparent unwillingness to let 'player power' overawe him!
[quote][p][bold]mellow yellow[/bold] wrote: The magic of cup competitions, eh? For me, one of the saddest aspects of modern day football is the steady drip feed of ambivalence that has seeped through to the second tier regarding team selections for cup games. It started with the top premier league teams, following the formation of the 'champions' league and gets worse every year. Sure, rest a few players, but just chucking a load together in the hope it will pay off is not only disrespectful to the opponents, in a way, but to US the fans. Cup shocks used to mean something, but the upsets in this round are because of whole sale changes. Bet Donny were fired up when they saw the team sheets. So, why enter these competitions? A chance for the second string to play a game or two? The results only seem to be 'look at our strength in depth. Wow!' Or 'the manager is clueless. The players can't be bothered!' And it breeds negativity on this site and others. As some have said it's all about the league. When we got to Wembley back in '84 it actually meant something. There were only two opportunities a season. Now you can play there in a cup semi too. And, given the choice between FA CUP final or PLAY OFF final what would we prefer?! It saddens me that the magic has gone, but I have to accept it pretty much has. With that also comes an acceptance that I just can't get fired up about the result last night. Which makes me as bad as the players (most of them) on the pitch last night. Roll on Saturday. I'm not convinced with Beppe, though. But can wait October...[/p][/quote]I agree entirely about the Cup competitions. I am a ST holder but passed on last night (and Stevenage) because Watford, as so many clubs, place such a low priority on progressing in the League Cup in particular. For me to part with good money, I want to see an 'A' team out for all competitive fixtures. I also think tying this in with criticism of Sannino is daft. At present I feel he has done more than enough to keep his job - including an apparent unwillingness to let 'player power' overawe him! HertsPeter
  • Score: 12

8:19am Wed 27 Aug 14

llloydwithathirdl says...

We're second in the league, who really cares about this cup.
We're second in the league, who really cares about this cup. llloydwithathirdl
  • Score: -8

8:31am Wed 27 Aug 14

buckler says...

Vast difference wheeling patients around hospital wards to motivating international football players.. Move him on !
Vast difference wheeling patients around hospital wards to motivating international football players.. Move him on ! buckler
  • Score: 0

8:35am Wed 27 Aug 14

RobboBTC says...

We lose and the Beppe must be sacked brigade love it, we beat Leeds convincingly on Saturday and sit 2nd in the league but its all "still not convinced by Beppe". Yes we had a team out strong enough to beat Doncaster but why not take a good look at the players and point the blame at them for once, they're the ones stepping over the white line. They were given the opportunity to stake a claim and push for a starting spot on Saturday but by the sounds of it the majority didn't do enough. On top of that these fixtures especially in the league cup often go this way, Doncaster would have been totally fired up, pretty much a cup final for them. Onto Saturday, we beat Huddersfield and theres a good chance we could be top, especially as Notts Forest have a tough trip to Sheffield Wednesday. Will plenty of people still be moaning?.....Probabl
y.
We lose and the Beppe must be sacked brigade love it, we beat Leeds convincingly on Saturday and sit 2nd in the league but its all "still not convinced by Beppe". Yes we had a team out strong enough to beat Doncaster but why not take a good look at the players and point the blame at them for once, they're the ones stepping over the white line. They were given the opportunity to stake a claim and push for a starting spot on Saturday but by the sounds of it the majority didn't do enough. On top of that these fixtures especially in the league cup often go this way, Doncaster would have been totally fired up, pretty much a cup final for them. Onto Saturday, we beat Huddersfield and theres a good chance we could be top, especially as Notts Forest have a tough trip to Sheffield Wednesday. Will plenty of people still be moaning?.....Probabl y. RobboBTC
  • Score: 8

8:37am Wed 27 Aug 14

Essex Hornet says...

I knew we were going to have a tough night when I saw Troy tucking into his Nando's in the High Street an hour and a half before kick off. It signalled that we would be repeating the Stevenage experiment and resting alot of players. I wasn't expecting Troy to play but it would have been good to have had him on the bench rather than doing the radio commentary even after he'd eaten a chicken wrap.

Sure enough when I saw the teams they showed that Doncaster had made two changes from their team on Saturday and we made nine changes. Doncaster showed from the kick off that they wanted it, and were up for the fight. They played like a cohesive unit and their pace and movement going forward had us all over the place. We were fortunate to only concede the penalty in the first half.

I love lloydinio but he struggled last night and looked off the pace. Sean Murray looked very rusty and up front apart from Dyers great goal we looked pretty clueless. Players like Vydra and Ighalo need a target man to play off like Troy or Ranegie sadly they just don't work as a striking partnership. Consequently there was no real cutting edge, the passing was poor and the movement in midfield was pretty non existent.

To his credit Fabbrini came on and had a go but he should have been bought on much earlier to try and make a difference. I accept that there has to be an element of squad rotation but Beppe should have learnt from the Stevenage game nine changes is far to many.

We could and should have won a game like this but congrats to Doncaster they outplayed us and got the result. One good thing about last night is that it should make team selection for Huddersfield on Saturday very easy. Yes let's put this one behind us but let's learn a few lessons for the future. 7,000 fans paid out hard earned money to watch last nights game and they deserved better.
I knew we were going to have a tough night when I saw Troy tucking into his Nando's in the High Street an hour and a half before kick off. It signalled that we would be repeating the Stevenage experiment and resting alot of players. I wasn't expecting Troy to play but it would have been good to have had him on the bench rather than doing the radio commentary even after he'd eaten a chicken wrap. Sure enough when I saw the teams they showed that Doncaster had made two changes from their team on Saturday and we made nine changes. Doncaster showed from the kick off that they wanted it, and were up for the fight. They played like a cohesive unit and their pace and movement going forward had us all over the place. We were fortunate to only concede the penalty in the first half. I love lloydinio but he struggled last night and looked off the pace. Sean Murray looked very rusty and up front apart from Dyers great goal we looked pretty clueless. Players like Vydra and Ighalo need a target man to play off like Troy or Ranegie sadly they just don't work as a striking partnership. Consequently there was no real cutting edge, the passing was poor and the movement in midfield was pretty non existent. To his credit Fabbrini came on and had a go but he should have been bought on much earlier to try and make a difference. I accept that there has to be an element of squad rotation but Beppe should have learnt from the Stevenage game nine changes is far to many. We could and should have won a game like this but congrats to Doncaster they outplayed us and got the result. One good thing about last night is that it should make team selection for Huddersfield on Saturday very easy. Yes let's put this one behind us but let's learn a few lessons for the future. 7,000 fans paid out hard earned money to watch last nights game and they deserved better. Essex Hornet
  • Score: 24

8:43am Wed 27 Aug 14

Penrice says...

exeterhornet wrote:
I am not a Beppe is God type but for pity's sake, our second string got stuffed by a useful side one division below us. I get the impression that if we won the next six and then lost that the anti Beppe crowd would immediately be out spitting more venom. We live in an age where people form an opinion and then stick to it despite evidence suggesting they are wrong. What I am saying is I haven't got a clue whether he is the right fit in the long term but last night is surely not enough evidence to say that he isn't. Last night may have been useful in so far as he may be able to see who is not good enough, who should go out on loan, and areas where perhaps we still need cover. For those crying out for his sacking now, take a long look at yourself in the mirror and be honest, how perfect are you at your job?
It's probable that there are plenty of people out there that are better at my job than me, but I don't see how this should stop me wanting the best man in charge at Watford?

Have memories of some great games in this competition from down the years, so to toss it away so abjectly kind of ****es me off.

With such a bloated squad, this will only raise the chances of acrimony between the players and BS as there's even less game time to go around. Can't help thinking this will come back to bite Beppe in the ar*e.
[quote][p][bold]exeterhornet[/bold] wrote: I am not a Beppe is God type but for pity's sake, our second string got stuffed by a useful side one division below us. I get the impression that if we won the next six and then lost that the anti Beppe crowd would immediately be out spitting more venom. We live in an age where people form an opinion and then stick to it despite evidence suggesting they are wrong. What I am saying is I haven't got a clue whether he is the right fit in the long term but last night is surely not enough evidence to say that he isn't. Last night may have been useful in so far as he may be able to see who is not good enough, who should go out on loan, and areas where perhaps we still need cover. For those crying out for his sacking now, take a long look at yourself in the mirror and be honest, how perfect are you at your job?[/p][/quote]It's probable that there are plenty of people out there that are better at my job than me, but I don't see how this should stop me wanting the best man in charge at Watford? Have memories of some great games in this competition from down the years, so to toss it away so abjectly kind of ****es me off. With such a bloated squad, this will only raise the chances of acrimony between the players and BS as there's even less game time to go around. Can't help thinking this will come back to bite Beppe in the ar*e. Penrice
  • Score: 4

8:44am Wed 27 Aug 14

Travelling Hornet says...

I watched two teams last night , one looked like they knew what they were doing and one that didn't have a clue.
The one that didn't have a clue had the better players , why the poor performance ?
Attitude of the players?
No , poor coaching! The players didn't know what to do once they got past the halfway line, I watched Vydra get NO service whatsoever the whole night , you could see his frustration , bet he's thinking ' what the hell did I come back for' .
We had no patten of play , no passing moves, no movement apart from a hoof from defence.
Doncaster had the opposite because they have been coached in training and it showed.
Ok we may be second in the league but we rely too much on a strong defence and then individual brilliance , which will get you so far, I just think these talented players deserve more structure to excel to their potential(& our spectating pleasure) or they will become disenchanted and won't give their best, like last night.
I watched two teams last night , one looked like they knew what they were doing and one that didn't have a clue. The one that didn't have a clue had the better players , why the poor performance ? Attitude of the players? No , poor coaching! The players didn't know what to do once they got past the halfway line, I watched Vydra get NO service whatsoever the whole night , you could see his frustration , bet he's thinking ' what the hell did I come back for' . We had no patten of play , no passing moves, no movement apart from a hoof from defence. Doncaster had the opposite because they have been coached in training and it showed. Ok we may be second in the league but we rely too much on a strong defence and then individual brilliance , which will get you so far, I just think these talented players deserve more structure to excel to their potential(& our spectating pleasure) or they will become disenchanted and won't give their best, like last night. Travelling Hornet
  • Score: 13

9:03am Wed 27 Aug 14

SAHornet says...

Travelling Hornet wrote:
I watched two teams last night , one looked like they knew what they were doing and one that didn't have a clue.
The one that didn't have a clue had the better players , why the poor performance ?
Attitude of the players?
No , poor coaching! The players didn't know what to do once they got past the halfway line, I watched Vydra get NO service whatsoever the whole night , you could see his frustration , bet he's thinking ' what the hell did I come back for' .
We had no patten of play , no passing moves, no movement apart from a hoof from defence.
Doncaster had the opposite because they have been coached in training and it showed.
Ok we may be second in the league but we rely too much on a strong defence and then individual brilliance , which will get you so far, I just think these talented players deserve more structure to excel to their potential(& our spectating pleasure) or they will become disenchanted and won't give their best, like last night.
I like your post. For me, as a non-watching fan, it sums up exactly the way I think it is right now at Watford. With our pool of players being what it is on paper, can you imagine what a talented, english speaking manager/head-coach could do with them? Would probably be awesome and would give us a more than real chance of automatic promotion.
[quote][p][bold]Travelling Hornet[/bold] wrote: I watched two teams last night , one looked like they knew what they were doing and one that didn't have a clue. The one that didn't have a clue had the better players , why the poor performance ? Attitude of the players? No , poor coaching! The players didn't know what to do once they got past the halfway line, I watched Vydra get NO service whatsoever the whole night , you could see his frustration , bet he's thinking ' what the hell did I come back for' . We had no patten of play , no passing moves, no movement apart from a hoof from defence. Doncaster had the opposite because they have been coached in training and it showed. Ok we may be second in the league but we rely too much on a strong defence and then individual brilliance , which will get you so far, I just think these talented players deserve more structure to excel to their potential(& our spectating pleasure) or they will become disenchanted and won't give their best, like last night.[/p][/quote]I like your post. For me, as a non-watching fan, it sums up exactly the way I think it is right now at Watford. With our pool of players being what it is on paper, can you imagine what a talented, english speaking manager/head-coach could do with them? Would probably be awesome and would give us a more than real chance of automatic promotion. SAHornet
  • Score: 4

9:22am Wed 27 Aug 14

tommy gunn says...

PozzoHornet wrote:
WessexLad wrote:
Beppe is right: the side he put out should have been strong enough to beat Doncaster. So the fact that they didn't has to be down to the tactics, and that has to be down to the manager.
What would you suggest the manager do differently?

There are many people on this site who will happily moan and groan that a manager, whether it be Sannino or Zola, hasn't got their tactics right. But if you ask them, they won't be able to say where they went wrong/what they should have done better. The usual answer is something along the lines of, "I don't have all the answers". The problem is, if you can identify a problem, then you should naturally be able to at least *suggest* how to rectify it.

Ultimately, tactics are not the be all and end all of football. Of course, they're important, but not every match is lost down to bad tactics. Sometimes the players don't execute the tactics well enough, either because they are unfit, or because they aren't good enough, or because they aren't used to playing with each other etc. etc. The list of reasons other than just 'bad tactics' goes on.

And sometimes, like tonight, the other team play very well, while we don't. Now, I don't know exactly why we were so poor tonight. What I won't do, however, is immediately blame the manager for his mystery 'bad tactics', which none of you naysayers can ever seem to pin down.
This is the most sensible post I have read on here for a long time. It is so easy to blame the Manager but when the players cross that white line they must take full responsibility for their performance. Tactics , formations are important sure they are and the manager takes responsibility for that. However , passion , heart , energy , fire in your belly , have also a lot to do with winning games and last night it was missing in a good few players for some reason. Why was that?, perhaps we need a psychologist on the bench .!!
[quote][p][bold]PozzoHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WessexLad[/bold] wrote: Beppe is right: the side he put out should have been strong enough to beat Doncaster. So the fact that they didn't has to be down to the tactics, and that has to be down to the manager.[/p][/quote]What would you suggest the manager do differently? There are many people on this site who will happily moan and groan that a manager, whether it be Sannino or Zola, hasn't got their tactics right. But if you ask them, they won't be able to say where they went wrong/what they should have done better. The usual answer is something along the lines of, "I don't have all the answers". The problem is, if you can identify a problem, then you should naturally be able to at least *suggest* how to rectify it. Ultimately, tactics are not the be all and end all of football. Of course, they're important, but not every match is lost down to bad tactics. Sometimes the players don't execute the tactics well enough, either because they are unfit, or because they aren't good enough, or because they aren't used to playing with each other etc. etc. The list of reasons other than just 'bad tactics' goes on. And sometimes, like tonight, the other team play very well, while we don't. Now, I don't know exactly why we were so poor tonight. What I won't do, however, is immediately blame the manager for his mystery 'bad tactics', which none of you naysayers can ever seem to pin down.[/p][/quote]This is the most sensible post I have read on here for a long time. It is so easy to blame the Manager but when the players cross that white line they must take full responsibility for their performance. Tactics , formations are important sure they are and the manager takes responsibility for that. However , passion , heart , energy , fire in your belly , have also a lot to do with winning games and last night it was missing in a good few players for some reason. Why was that?, perhaps we need a psychologist on the bench .!! tommy gunn
  • Score: 10

10:30am Wed 27 Aug 14

grahamwfc says...

tommy gunn wrote:
PozzoHornet wrote:
WessexLad wrote:
Beppe is right: the side he put out should have been strong enough to beat Doncaster. So the fact that they didn't has to be down to the tactics, and that has to be down to the manager.
What would you suggest the manager do differently?

There are many people on this site who will happily moan and groan that a manager, whether it be Sannino or Zola, hasn't got their tactics right. But if you ask them, they won't be able to say where they went wrong/what they should have done better. The usual answer is something along the lines of, "I don't have all the answers". The problem is, if you can identify a problem, then you should naturally be able to at least *suggest* how to rectify it.

Ultimately, tactics are not the be all and end all of football. Of course, they're important, but not every match is lost down to bad tactics. Sometimes the players don't execute the tactics well enough, either because they are unfit, or because they aren't good enough, or because they aren't used to playing with each other etc. etc. The list of reasons other than just 'bad tactics' goes on.

And sometimes, like tonight, the other team play very well, while we don't. Now, I don't know exactly why we were so poor tonight. What I won't do, however, is immediately blame the manager for his mystery 'bad tactics', which none of you naysayers can ever seem to pin down.
This is the most sensible post I have read on here for a long time. It is so easy to blame the Manager but when the players cross that white line they must take full responsibility for their performance. Tactics , formations are important sure they are and the manager takes responsibility for that. However , passion , heart , energy , fire in your belly , have also a lot to do with winning games and last night it was missing in a good few players for some reason. Why was that?, perhaps we need a psychologist on the bench .!!
And probably why most of them are playing in this type of game rather than the "first team". Instead of sulking and moaning they should ask themselves what they need to do and hopefully realise that effort and attitude might take them forward.
[quote][p][bold]tommy gunn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PozzoHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WessexLad[/bold] wrote: Beppe is right: the side he put out should have been strong enough to beat Doncaster. So the fact that they didn't has to be down to the tactics, and that has to be down to the manager.[/p][/quote]What would you suggest the manager do differently? There are many people on this site who will happily moan and groan that a manager, whether it be Sannino or Zola, hasn't got their tactics right. But if you ask them, they won't be able to say where they went wrong/what they should have done better. The usual answer is something along the lines of, "I don't have all the answers". The problem is, if you can identify a problem, then you should naturally be able to at least *suggest* how to rectify it. Ultimately, tactics are not the be all and end all of football. Of course, they're important, but not every match is lost down to bad tactics. Sometimes the players don't execute the tactics well enough, either because they are unfit, or because they aren't good enough, or because they aren't used to playing with each other etc. etc. The list of reasons other than just 'bad tactics' goes on. And sometimes, like tonight, the other team play very well, while we don't. Now, I don't know exactly why we were so poor tonight. What I won't do, however, is immediately blame the manager for his mystery 'bad tactics', which none of you naysayers can ever seem to pin down.[/p][/quote]This is the most sensible post I have read on here for a long time. It is so easy to blame the Manager but when the players cross that white line they must take full responsibility for their performance. Tactics , formations are important sure they are and the manager takes responsibility for that. However , passion , heart , energy , fire in your belly , have also a lot to do with winning games and last night it was missing in a good few players for some reason. Why was that?, perhaps we need a psychologist on the bench .!![/p][/quote]And probably why most of them are playing in this type of game rather than the "first team". Instead of sulking and moaning they should ask themselves what they need to do and hopefully realise that effort and attitude might take them forward. grahamwfc
  • Score: 8

10:31am Wed 27 Aug 14

Hornets number 12 fan says...

So many dismissals of a cup that ends at Wembley! Get real this manager is not good enough! over and out!
So many dismissals of a cup that ends at Wembley! Get real this manager is not good enough! over and out! Hornets number 12 fan
  • Score: 3

10:31am Wed 27 Aug 14

jasonwatford says...

Some of you on here are very poor judges of football , Beppa out brigade wont be sure of him even if he wins the league so we can put that to bed for now. If we played mainly 1st team players the screams of why are we doing that when we have players that are not playing sitting around....If one got injured and was out for Saturday there would be uproar of why did he play him in a cup game...... Yesterday evening showed again players that are just not up too it anymore , Doyley has lost pace and ability to do the simply things , I watched him take 5 throw on's and every single one went to a Donny player. Bond once again does not command his area and comes to catch nothing in the box. Murray does not want to be here and it shows so let the boy go. McGugan is one of those that can play 1st team if wants too but frustrates and when taken off with 20 mins to go runs down the tunnel shows he is not a team player , let him go. Ighaloo is all legs and has some nice touches but can't hold a ball up and doesn't look like he has goals in him. Anya couldn't deliver a letter let alone a cross. So for Beppa has done the correct thing saying to those boys show me what you can do , sadly hardly any of them did. Dyer should be in squad for Saturday with fabbrini. If we go into the int break with 12 points and second in league that is a great base to carry on building from. Once again I will start this with a minus 1 to keep you all happy
Some of you on here are very poor judges of football , Beppa out brigade wont be sure of him even if he wins the league so we can put that to bed for now. If we played mainly 1st team players the screams of why are we doing that when we have players that are not playing sitting around....If one got injured and was out for Saturday there would be uproar of why did he play him in a cup game...... Yesterday evening showed again players that are just not up too it anymore , Doyley has lost pace and ability to do the simply things , I watched him take 5 throw on's and every single one went to a Donny player. Bond once again does not command his area and comes to catch nothing in the box. Murray does not want to be here and it shows so let the boy go. McGugan is one of those that can play 1st team if wants too but frustrates and when taken off with 20 mins to go runs down the tunnel shows he is not a team player , let him go. Ighaloo is all legs and has some nice touches but can't hold a ball up and doesn't look like he has goals in him. Anya couldn't deliver a letter let alone a cross. So for Beppa has done the correct thing saying to those boys show me what you can do , sadly hardly any of them did. Dyer should be in squad for Saturday with fabbrini. If we go into the int break with 12 points and second in league that is a great base to carry on building from. Once again I will start this with a minus 1 to keep you all happy jasonwatford
  • Score: 5

11:11am Wed 27 Aug 14

henry says...

Selections based on the desire to give almost everyone in the squad who missed out on Saturday an outing are unlikely to produce a winning team whatever the individual skills.
Seems to me we fielded two wingers (neither an efective wing back), two strikers (neither a target man), 3 mids (two of whom seemed pretty indifferent to proceedings), 2 centrebacks (although Hoban is adaptable and can play fullback),1 full back (not match fit and pretty ineffective at contreback) and a goalkeeper. Try making a winning combination out of that lot !
Selections based on the desire to give almost everyone in the squad who missed out on Saturday an outing are unlikely to produce a winning team whatever the individual skills. Seems to me we fielded two wingers (neither an efective wing back), two strikers (neither a target man), 3 mids (two of whom seemed pretty indifferent to proceedings), 2 centrebacks (although Hoban is adaptable and can play fullback),1 full back (not match fit and pretty ineffective at contreback) and a goalkeeper. Try making a winning combination out of that lot ! henry
  • Score: 3

11:16am Wed 27 Aug 14

UHORNS1 says...

Based on the football I watched last season and the football i am watching this season Sannino is not the man to get the best out of this squad.
This group of players is better than the one that went on to lose to Crystal Palace at Wembley and my expectation is we will at least make the play-offs but everything indicates to me that this group should be achieving so much more than that this season.
Based on the football I watched last season and the football i am watching this season Sannino is not the man to get the best out of this squad. This group of players is better than the one that went on to lose to Crystal Palace at Wembley and my expectation is we will at least make the play-offs but everything indicates to me that this group should be achieving so much more than that this season. UHORNS1
  • Score: 9

12:45pm Wed 27 Aug 14

corbindallas says...

lutondown wrote:
mellow yellow wrote:
The magic of cup competitions, eh? For me, one of the saddest aspects of modern day football is the steady drip feed of ambivalence that has seeped through to the second tier regarding team selections for cup games. It started with the top premier league teams, following the formation of the 'champions' league and gets worse every year. Sure, rest a few players, but just chucking a load together in the hope it will pay off is not only disrespectful to the opponents, in a way, but to US the fans. Cup shocks used to mean something, but the upsets in this round are because of whole sale changes. Bet Donny were fired up when they saw the team sheets.

So, why enter these competitions? A chance for the second string to play a game or two? The results only seem to be 'look at our strength in depth. Wow!' Or 'the manager is clueless. The players can't be bothered!' And it breeds negativity on this site and others.

As some have said it's all about the league. When we got to Wembley back in '84 it actually meant something. There were only two opportunities a season. Now you can play there in a cup semi too. And, given the choice between FA CUP final or PLAY OFF final what would we prefer?!

It saddens me that the magic has gone, but I have to accept it pretty much has. With that also comes an acceptance that I just can't get fired up about the result last night. Which makes me as bad as the players (most of them) on the pitch last night.

Roll on Saturday. I'm not convinced with Beppe, though. But can wait October...
Thing is, much as the more patient fans can wait, the rest of the teams won't and that's for sure.
The camp keep saying we have two teams that can compete, and on paper I agree but there has to be some kind of accord and balance. That was evidently missing last night.
When Zola was in charge he made only a couple of changes which immediatley made us a weaker squad (because they were against important players) and ultimatley we and he paid the price, cup match or not by making 9 changes is fatal especially when the so called 1st team XI are still not a team set in concrete. All this resting for the Huddersfield game I do not buy, they are professional footballers who need game time to be able to read each other settle in and play football in the comfort of knowing what each other is doing, playing different set ups and players and worse playing players in positions they are not comfortable in is not the answer. Cup games should allow some changes but only when testing out players in depth of same position not remoulding or making near whole team changes, I guess the team that started last night felt like the second team with the en mass changes, and some so called 1st teamers looked pretty poor also (Vydra) becaue they also have not got a clue with the wholesale team change. Now we are out of the cup BS has lost the luxury of trying some changes and will have to do it in more important matches. I know I keep banging on about Dyer but what has the guy got to do to get in the 1st team when he has scored 3 goals in a row, even if that means a change in tactics surely the whole point of football is to score more goals than the other teams?
[quote][p][bold]lutondown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mellow yellow[/bold] wrote: The magic of cup competitions, eh? For me, one of the saddest aspects of modern day football is the steady drip feed of ambivalence that has seeped through to the second tier regarding team selections for cup games. It started with the top premier league teams, following the formation of the 'champions' league and gets worse every year. Sure, rest a few players, but just chucking a load together in the hope it will pay off is not only disrespectful to the opponents, in a way, but to US the fans. Cup shocks used to mean something, but the upsets in this round are because of whole sale changes. Bet Donny were fired up when they saw the team sheets. So, why enter these competitions? A chance for the second string to play a game or two? The results only seem to be 'look at our strength in depth. Wow!' Or 'the manager is clueless. The players can't be bothered!' And it breeds negativity on this site and others. As some have said it's all about the league. When we got to Wembley back in '84 it actually meant something. There were only two opportunities a season. Now you can play there in a cup semi too. And, given the choice between FA CUP final or PLAY OFF final what would we prefer?! It saddens me that the magic has gone, but I have to accept it pretty much has. With that also comes an acceptance that I just can't get fired up about the result last night. Which makes me as bad as the players (most of them) on the pitch last night. Roll on Saturday. I'm not convinced with Beppe, though. But can wait October...[/p][/quote]Thing is, much as the more patient fans can wait, the rest of the teams won't and that's for sure. The camp keep saying we have two teams that can compete, and on paper I agree but there has to be some kind of accord and balance. That was evidently missing last night.[/p][/quote]When Zola was in charge he made only a couple of changes which immediatley made us a weaker squad (because they were against important players) and ultimatley we and he paid the price, cup match or not by making 9 changes is fatal especially when the so called 1st team XI are still not a team set in concrete. All this resting for the Huddersfield game I do not buy, they are professional footballers who need game time to be able to read each other settle in and play football in the comfort of knowing what each other is doing, playing different set ups and players and worse playing players in positions they are not comfortable in is not the answer. Cup games should allow some changes but only when testing out players in depth of same position not remoulding or making near whole team changes, I guess the team that started last night felt like the second team with the en mass changes, and some so called 1st teamers looked pretty poor also (Vydra) becaue they also have not got a clue with the wholesale team change. Now we are out of the cup BS has lost the luxury of trying some changes and will have to do it in more important matches. I know I keep banging on about Dyer but what has the guy got to do to get in the 1st team when he has scored 3 goals in a row, even if that means a change in tactics surely the whole point of football is to score more goals than the other teams? corbindallas
  • Score: 5

4:15pm Wed 27 Aug 14

lutondown says...

exeterhornet wrote:
I am not a Beppe is God type but for pity's sake, our second string got stuffed by a useful side one division below us. I get the impression that if we won the next six and then lost that the anti Beppe crowd would immediately be out spitting more venom. We live in an age where people form an opinion and then stick to it despite evidence suggesting they are wrong. What I am saying is I haven't got a clue whether he is the right fit in the long term but last night is surely not enough evidence to say that he isn't. Last night may have been useful in so far as he may be able to see who is not good enough, who should go out on loan, and areas where perhaps we still need cover. For those crying out for his sacking now, take a long look at yourself in the mirror and be honest, how perfect are you at your job?
Pretty damned good actually and if I wasn't I'd sack myself
[quote][p][bold]exeterhornet[/bold] wrote: I am not a Beppe is God type but for pity's sake, our second string got stuffed by a useful side one division below us. I get the impression that if we won the next six and then lost that the anti Beppe crowd would immediately be out spitting more venom. We live in an age where people form an opinion and then stick to it despite evidence suggesting they are wrong. What I am saying is I haven't got a clue whether he is the right fit in the long term but last night is surely not enough evidence to say that he isn't. Last night may have been useful in so far as he may be able to see who is not good enough, who should go out on loan, and areas where perhaps we still need cover. For those crying out for his sacking now, take a long look at yourself in the mirror and be honest, how perfect are you at your job?[/p][/quote]Pretty damned good actually and if I wasn't I'd sack myself lutondown
  • Score: 4

4:17pm Wed 27 Aug 14

lutondown says...

corbindallas wrote:
lutondown wrote:
mellow yellow wrote:
The magic of cup competitions, eh? For me, one of the saddest aspects of modern day football is the steady drip feed of ambivalence that has seeped through to the second tier regarding team selections for cup games. It started with the top premier league teams, following the formation of the 'champions' league and gets worse every year. Sure, rest a few players, but just chucking a load together in the hope it will pay off is not only disrespectful to the opponents, in a way, but to US the fans. Cup shocks used to mean something, but the upsets in this round are because of whole sale changes. Bet Donny were fired up when they saw the team sheets.

So, why enter these competitions? A chance for the second string to play a game or two? The results only seem to be 'look at our strength in depth. Wow!' Or 'the manager is clueless. The players can't be bothered!' And it breeds negativity on this site and others.

As some have said it's all about the league. When we got to Wembley back in '84 it actually meant something. There were only two opportunities a season. Now you can play there in a cup semi too. And, given the choice between FA CUP final or PLAY OFF final what would we prefer?!

It saddens me that the magic has gone, but I have to accept it pretty much has. With that also comes an acceptance that I just can't get fired up about the result last night. Which makes me as bad as the players (most of them) on the pitch last night.

Roll on Saturday. I'm not convinced with Beppe, though. But can wait October...
Thing is, much as the more patient fans can wait, the rest of the teams won't and that's for sure.
The camp keep saying we have two teams that can compete, and on paper I agree but there has to be some kind of accord and balance. That was evidently missing last night.
When Zola was in charge he made only a couple of changes which immediatley made us a weaker squad (because they were against important players) and ultimatley we and he paid the price, cup match or not by making 9 changes is fatal especially when the so called 1st team XI are still not a team set in concrete. All this resting for the Huddersfield game I do not buy, they are professional footballers who need game time to be able to read each other settle in and play football in the comfort of knowing what each other is doing, playing different set ups and players and worse playing players in positions they are not comfortable in is not the answer. Cup games should allow some changes but only when testing out players in depth of same position not remoulding or making near whole team changes, I guess the team that started last night felt like the second team with the en mass changes, and some so called 1st teamers looked pretty poor also (Vydra) becaue they also have not got a clue with the wholesale team change. Now we are out of the cup BS has lost the luxury of trying some changes and will have to do it in more important matches. I know I keep banging on about Dyer but what has the guy got to do to get in the 1st team when he has scored 3 goals in a row, even if that means a change in tactics surely the whole point of football is to score more goals than the other teams?
Agree with you Corby
It's like we're best buddy's these days!
[quote][p][bold]corbindallas[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lutondown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mellow yellow[/bold] wrote: The magic of cup competitions, eh? For me, one of the saddest aspects of modern day football is the steady drip feed of ambivalence that has seeped through to the second tier regarding team selections for cup games. It started with the top premier league teams, following the formation of the 'champions' league and gets worse every year. Sure, rest a few players, but just chucking a load together in the hope it will pay off is not only disrespectful to the opponents, in a way, but to US the fans. Cup shocks used to mean something, but the upsets in this round are because of whole sale changes. Bet Donny were fired up when they saw the team sheets. So, why enter these competitions? A chance for the second string to play a game or two? The results only seem to be 'look at our strength in depth. Wow!' Or 'the manager is clueless. The players can't be bothered!' And it breeds negativity on this site and others. As some have said it's all about the league. When we got to Wembley back in '84 it actually meant something. There were only two opportunities a season. Now you can play there in a cup semi too. And, given the choice between FA CUP final or PLAY OFF final what would we prefer?! It saddens me that the magic has gone, but I have to accept it pretty much has. With that also comes an acceptance that I just can't get fired up about the result last night. Which makes me as bad as the players (most of them) on the pitch last night. Roll on Saturday. I'm not convinced with Beppe, though. But can wait October...[/p][/quote]Thing is, much as the more patient fans can wait, the rest of the teams won't and that's for sure. The camp keep saying we have two teams that can compete, and on paper I agree but there has to be some kind of accord and balance. That was evidently missing last night.[/p][/quote]When Zola was in charge he made only a couple of changes which immediatley made us a weaker squad (because they were against important players) and ultimatley we and he paid the price, cup match or not by making 9 changes is fatal especially when the so called 1st team XI are still not a team set in concrete. All this resting for the Huddersfield game I do not buy, they are professional footballers who need game time to be able to read each other settle in and play football in the comfort of knowing what each other is doing, playing different set ups and players and worse playing players in positions they are not comfortable in is not the answer. Cup games should allow some changes but only when testing out players in depth of same position not remoulding or making near whole team changes, I guess the team that started last night felt like the second team with the en mass changes, and some so called 1st teamers looked pretty poor also (Vydra) becaue they also have not got a clue with the wholesale team change. Now we are out of the cup BS has lost the luxury of trying some changes and will have to do it in more important matches. I know I keep banging on about Dyer but what has the guy got to do to get in the 1st team when he has scored 3 goals in a row, even if that means a change in tactics surely the whole point of football is to score more goals than the other teams?[/p][/quote]Agree with you Corby It's like we're best buddy's these days! lutondown
  • Score: 3

8:07pm Wed 27 Aug 14

hornetsteve says...

SJM...laugh at luton wrote:
Best for Watford to exit this Micky mouse cup...

If u want to get to the premier league...then no distractions on the way...

Focus on best team for Huddersfield game at the weekend...
disagree beppe appears to know his best eleven at this moment in time the starting line ups against Bolton&leeds little changes on those games result 2 wins, 6 goals 6 points great all round team performances, this micky mouse cup gives beppe the chance to give the players who are not in the ist team a chance to stake a claim& show us what they have to offer, for me a big disappointment to go out to Doncaster, poor performance from our so called b team just hope beppe doesn't rotate to many changes when Saturday - Tuesday games come along this was zolas down fall!!COYH
[quote][p][bold]SJM...laugh at luton[/bold] wrote: Best for Watford to exit this Micky mouse cup... If u want to get to the premier league...then no distractions on the way... Focus on best team for Huddersfield game at the weekend...[/p][/quote]disagree beppe appears to know his best eleven at this moment in time the starting line ups against Bolton&leeds little changes on those games result 2 wins, 6 goals 6 points great all round team performances, this micky mouse cup gives beppe the chance to give the players who are not in the ist team a chance to stake a claim& show us what they have to offer, for me a big disappointment to go out to Doncaster, poor performance from our so called b team just hope beppe doesn't rotate to many changes when Saturday - Tuesday games come along this was zolas down fall!!COYH hornetsteve
  • Score: 3

9:36pm Wed 27 Aug 14

hornet of the humber says...

If sannino gets Watford promoted he would still have his haters, the pozzos want premier league, not league cup or fa cup. So far 4 games played we are second, sometimes the football isn't great but we haven't conceded and lost in 90th minute, we have 3 clean sheets, dyer, fessi and deeney banging in the goals, can't wait for abdi and vydra to rediscover their form from two years ago. There is a lot to be happy about! But losing to Doncaster is the end of the world to some, get a grip.
If sannino gets Watford promoted he would still have his haters, the pozzos want premier league, not league cup or fa cup. So far 4 games played we are second, sometimes the football isn't great but we haven't conceded and lost in 90th minute, we have 3 clean sheets, dyer, fessi and deeney banging in the goals, can't wait for abdi and vydra to rediscover their form from two years ago. There is a lot to be happy about! But losing to Doncaster is the end of the world to some, get a grip. hornet of the humber
  • Score: 2

9:49pm Wed 27 Aug 14

buckshornet says...

the starting eleven were pretty **** poor esp murray,mcgugan,anya,
doyley,andrews.where was renegie? back the manager not these overpaid underperforming players.
looking forward to Saturday with a lot of commitment from some very talented players.
the starting eleven were pretty **** poor esp murray,mcgugan,anya, doyley,andrews.where was renegie? back the manager not these overpaid underperforming players. looking forward to Saturday with a lot of commitment from some very talented players. buckshornet
  • Score: 3
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