Watford have turned down enquires from Rotherham United for Watford duo Lewis McGugan and Lloyd Dyer

Hornets midfielder Lewis McGugan. Picture: Holly Cant

Hornets midfielder Lewis McGugan. Picture: Holly Cant

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Rotherham United boss Steve Evans says the Millers have had enquires for Watford duo Lewis McGugan and Lloyd Dyer rebuffed by the Hornets this week.

The pair have been left out of the Hornets' starting XI for their last two Championship fixtures, although they both started in Tuesday night’s League Cup defeat to Doncaster Rovers.

Dyer scored against Rotherham in Watford’s 2-0 victory at the New York Stadium last week but celebrated by running across the pitch and angrily shouting at Golden Boys head coach Beppe Sannino.

McGugan has shown displeasure in the past week as he walked straight down the tunnel, and threw his jumper to the ground, after being substituted against Doncaster on Tuesday.

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6:07pm Thu 28 Aug 14

SAHornet says...

Why would they be surprised? Both are far better than to play for a team that may well be relegated this season.
Why would they be surprised? Both are far better than to play for a team that may well be relegated this season. SAHornet
  • Score: 3

6:25pm Thu 28 Aug 14

DuffmanWFC says...

For me both these players still have a huge part to play this season. They have to stay patient and take there opportunity when it comes!
Fessi and Hoban are examples of how to conduct yourself, Dyers and McGugan's stupid shows of childish petulance have done them no favours especially as we have such a talented squad!
I hope they both stay and knuckle down and give 100% to WFC however if they continue to be disruptive in the dressing room and around the training ground then surely they must go!
There must be a lot of happy faces around the club now that Troy has ended all speculation and signed a new deal!
Hopefully with that all put to bed and with Dyer and McGugan knowing that they need to work hard and shut up we can move on and put a few wins together
The next three games are winnable so come on u orns!
For me both these players still have a huge part to play this season. They have to stay patient and take there opportunity when it comes! Fessi and Hoban are examples of how to conduct yourself, Dyers and McGugan's stupid shows of childish petulance have done them no favours especially as we have such a talented squad! I hope they both stay and knuckle down and give 100% to WFC however if they continue to be disruptive in the dressing room and around the training ground then surely they must go! There must be a lot of happy faces around the club now that Troy has ended all speculation and signed a new deal! Hopefully with that all put to bed and with Dyer and McGugan knowing that they need to work hard and shut up we can move on and put a few wins together The next three games are winnable so come on u orns! DuffmanWFC
  • Score: 57

6:36pm Thu 28 Aug 14

SJM...laugh at luton says...

What a laugh Rotherham United...

That has made me laugh so much...
What a laugh Rotherham United... That has made me laugh so much... SJM...laugh at luton
  • Score: 0

6:38pm Thu 28 Aug 14

lutondown says...

As they say ..The Lord loves a trier
As they say ..The Lord loves a trier lutondown
  • Score: 1

6:40pm Thu 28 Aug 14

jasonwatford says...

Dyer will stay whatever happens , if right amount for mcgugan comes in he is gone
Dyer will stay whatever happens , if right amount for mcgugan comes in he is gone jasonwatford
  • Score: 14

6:55pm Thu 28 Aug 14

lutondown says...

jasonwatford wrote:
Dyer will stay whatever happens , if right amount for mcgugan comes in he is gone
I doubt it'll be Rotherham tho!
[quote][p][bold]jasonwatford[/bold] wrote: Dyer will stay whatever happens , if right amount for mcgugan comes in he is gone[/p][/quote]I doubt it'll be Rotherham tho! lutondown
  • Score: 0

6:59pm Thu 28 Aug 14

the jesterwestport says...

want these guys to do well for us but are these overpaid players not learning their lesson, due to their actions their being approached by rotherham for god sake, not the bottom half of the premership like the legend that is TD9, who has being beating prem sides off with a giant stick. knuckle down knuckle heads and help get us to the prem!!!!!!!!!
want these guys to do well for us but are these overpaid players not learning their lesson, due to their actions their being approached by rotherham for god sake, not the bottom half of the premership like the legend that is TD9, who has being beating prem sides off with a giant stick. knuckle down knuckle heads and help get us to the prem!!!!!!!!! the jesterwestport
  • Score: 27

7:08pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Jon_mk says...

I can't see either of them going given we are cutting things extremely fine in terms of the home grown players rule. I can't see Lewis starting many games though over the next few months so can't imagine him getting any happier. Not sure what the answer is there?
I can't see either of them going given we are cutting things extremely fine in terms of the home grown players rule. I can't see Lewis starting many games though over the next few months so can't imagine him getting any happier. Not sure what the answer is there? Jon_mk
  • Score: 10

9:11pm Thu 28 Aug 14

The BestTrip2011 says...

Rotherham? Seriously?
Rotherham? Seriously? The BestTrip2011
  • Score: 1

9:59pm Thu 28 Aug 14

soulfulhornet says...

Jon_mk wrote:
I can't see either of them going given we are cutting things extremely fine in terms of the home grown players rule. I can't see Lewis starting many games though over the next few months so can't imagine him getting any happier. Not sure what the answer is there?
Good point. But I think Lewis might be expendable. The midfield is over subscribed and the attacking midfield role can be fulfilled by Abdi, Murray, Forestieri, even Munari.

Dyer on the other hand has extreme pace already scored 3 goals and going forward is electric. His alround game is not quite so strong, otherwise he would be at a Premier League club already.

As far as the home grown rule is concerned we can always place a youngster on the bench to replace McGugan e.g Doherty, Ikpeazu etc.

Rumours were that Burnley were interested in McGugan and a figure of £1.5m was mentioned, £2m and I think he would go. shame because McGugan has a brilliant 20 metre shot, but sometimes, no most of the time doesn't pick out the best pass or option.

Rotherham? No disrespect, but both players are better than a team that will be fighting to stay in the division.
[quote][p][bold]Jon_mk[/bold] wrote: I can't see either of them going given we are cutting things extremely fine in terms of the home grown players rule. I can't see Lewis starting many games though over the next few months so can't imagine him getting any happier. Not sure what the answer is there?[/p][/quote]Good point. But I think Lewis might be expendable. The midfield is over subscribed and the attacking midfield role can be fulfilled by Abdi, Murray, Forestieri, even Munari. Dyer on the other hand has extreme pace already scored 3 goals and going forward is electric. His alround game is not quite so strong, otherwise he would be at a Premier League club already. As far as the home grown rule is concerned we can always place a youngster on the bench to replace McGugan e.g Doherty, Ikpeazu etc. Rumours were that Burnley were interested in McGugan and a figure of £1.5m was mentioned, £2m and I think he would go. shame because McGugan has a brilliant 20 metre shot, but sometimes, no most of the time doesn't pick out the best pass or option. Rotherham? No disrespect, but both players are better than a team that will be fighting to stay in the division. soulfulhornet
  • Score: 14

10:27pm Thu 28 Aug 14

EltonForever says...

No player is ever bigger than our club.
No player is ever bigger than our club. EltonForever
  • Score: 16

10:51pm Thu 28 Aug 14

tonyevans22 says...

Dyer and Forestieri are our top scorers and only started 1 game each lol..McGgugan was our top scorer last year in midfield,some players not matter what they do are funnily overlooked.
Dyer and Forestieri are our top scorers and only started 1 game each lol..McGgugan was our top scorer last year in midfield,some players not matter what they do are funnily overlooked. tonyevans22
  • Score: 3

11:03pm Thu 28 Aug 14

ashdownforestieri says...

There is a guy in our gym who played for Brighton and other Clubs who is one of the nicest guys you could meet. We are down in Sussex and Evans was at Crawley. I have never seen anyone change so quickly at the mere mention of Steve Evans name. He is a very unpleasant man, my inclination would be to ignore this as a serious approach.
There is a guy in our gym who played for Brighton and other Clubs who is one of the nicest guys you could meet. We are down in Sussex and Evans was at Crawley. I have never seen anyone change so quickly at the mere mention of Steve Evans name. He is a very unpleasant man, my inclination would be to ignore this as a serious approach. ashdownforestieri
  • Score: 7

11:05pm Thu 28 Aug 14

SamTheEagle says...

True, almost any of the starting XI on Tuesday could have been substituted but, apart from the shot that rattled Doncaster's cross bar, McGugan did nothing. I've never commented on any Watford players in public before (any player who wears a Watford shirt deserves respect in my book) but McGugan is acting like a spoilt child. He is the only player in the current squad who can turn a 50:50 ball into a 60:40 ball in favour of the opposition – every time. He bottles every aerial challenge and seldom tackles. Grow a pair and man up. As Deeney said at the end of last season "the minimum requirement from any player is the should at least show they give a sh*t". McGugan doesn't!
True, almost any of the starting XI on Tuesday could have been substituted but, apart from the shot that rattled Doncaster's cross bar, McGugan did nothing. I've never commented on any Watford players in public before (any player who wears a Watford shirt deserves respect in my book) but McGugan is acting like a spoilt child. He is the only player in the current squad who can turn a 50:50 ball into a 60:40 ball in favour of the opposition – every time. He bottles every aerial challenge and seldom tackles. Grow a pair and man up. As Deeney said at the end of last season "the minimum requirement from any player is the should at least show they give a sh*t". McGugan doesn't! SamTheEagle
  • Score: 17

11:10pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Hornet Cornet says...

Ode to Buckler

Buckles is a soldier,
We often goes to war,
He doesn’t really like clappers,
He inflames like a bum that is sore.

People don’t understand him,
He’s a bit misunderstood,
His comments are directed,
He loves the man of brotherhood.

Yes he love Eurovision,
He dresses up in flares,
He grows prickly pears,
And rubs them in curly hairs.

For we really love Buckler,
He’s a hornet or so I hear,
And when we get promoted,
He’ll buy all clappers a frothy beer.

I thank you
HC
Ode to Buckler Buckles is a soldier, We often goes to war, He doesn’t really like clappers, He inflames like a bum that is sore. People don’t understand him, He’s a bit misunderstood, His comments are directed, He loves the man of brotherhood. Yes he love Eurovision, He dresses up in flares, He grows prickly pears, And rubs them in curly hairs. For we really love Buckler, He’s a hornet or so I hear, And when we get promoted, He’ll buy all clappers a frothy beer. I thank you HC Hornet Cornet
  • Score: -2

11:23pm Thu 28 Aug 14

matey_from_brighton says...

SJM...laugh at luton wrote:
What a laugh Rotherham United...

That has made me laugh so much...
Why..please explain? We need your insight.
[quote][p][bold]SJM...laugh at luton[/bold] wrote: What a laugh Rotherham United... That has made me laugh so much...[/p][/quote]Why..please explain? We need your insight. matey_from_brighton
  • Score: -1

11:50pm Thu 28 Aug 14

PozzoHornet says...

tonyevans22 wrote:
Dyer and Forestieri are our top scorers and only started 1 game each lol..McGgugan was our top scorer last year in midfield,some players not matter what they do are funnily overlooked.
McGugan scored 10 goals and made 5 assists, which, while impressive, is nothing on the 12 goals and 10 assists Abdi managed the year before. With Abdi's return from injury, plus the arrival of Tozser and the hardworking Munari, I'm not surprised McGugan's been frozen out.
[quote][p][bold]tonyevans22[/bold] wrote: Dyer and Forestieri are our top scorers and only started 1 game each lol..McGgugan was our top scorer last year in midfield,some players not matter what they do are funnily overlooked.[/p][/quote]McGugan scored 10 goals and made 5 assists, which, while impressive, is nothing on the 12 goals and 10 assists Abdi managed the year before. With Abdi's return from injury, plus the arrival of Tozser and the hardworking Munari, I'm not surprised McGugan's been frozen out. PozzoHornet
  • Score: 12

11:58pm Thu 28 Aug 14

rookerysteve says...

April fools came early surely?!
April fools came early surely?! rookerysteve
  • Score: -1

12:07am Fri 29 Aug 14

Goldenboy1960 says...

He has loads of ability and his goals last season were a big bonus. My personal thoughts are that in the Bolton game it was one of his best TEAM performances. Maybe at Norwich when we were down to 10 men Bepe may have thought he didn't do enough.

BUT, we should keep him and he quite rightly needs to knuckle down and show how he can play to get back in the team. This may be the growing up of him in this sense., and I hope so because he could be a very good player with a bit more maturity.
He has loads of ability and his goals last season were a big bonus. My personal thoughts are that in the Bolton game it was one of his best TEAM performances. Maybe at Norwich when we were down to 10 men Bepe may have thought he didn't do enough. BUT, we should keep him and he quite rightly needs to knuckle down and show how he can play to get back in the team. This may be the growing up of him in this sense., and I hope so because he could be a very good player with a bit more maturity. Goldenboy1960
  • Score: 6

1:07am Fri 29 Aug 14

Derek Payne's Cellar says...

PozzoHornet wrote:
tonyevans22 wrote:
Dyer and Forestieri are our top scorers and only started 1 game each lol..McGgugan was our top scorer last year in midfield,some players not matter what they do are funnily overlooked.
McGugan scored 10 goals and made 5 assists, which, while impressive, is nothing on the 12 goals and 10 assists Abdi managed the year before. With Abdi's return from injury, plus the arrival of Tozser and the hardworking Munari, I'm not surprised McGugan's been frozen out.
Agreed, PozzoHornet.
You are bound to be the top midfield scorer if you insist on taking every free-kick and going for goal, whilst shooting on sight when there is half a chance in open play.
I felt that this was actually detrimental to the team last season and I can see why Sannino dropped him..... in my mind, he's a luxury player. yeah, there were some good goals from McGugan, but I'd like to see some stats on this, as I reckon it wouldn't make good reading, similar stats to Roberto Carlos, great goals but chances to goals ratio, pretty poor.
Better players within the team play better football than McGugan.
His overall ability does not justify his attitude. I can honestly say that if he was to leave he'd be forgotten about after a couple of weeks (harsh, but true), though if he changes his attitude and knuckles down, he could be a good squad player......... If his attitude remains the same then he can do one... that's not needed at the club!
[quote][p][bold]PozzoHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tonyevans22[/bold] wrote: Dyer and Forestieri are our top scorers and only started 1 game each lol..McGgugan was our top scorer last year in midfield,some players not matter what they do are funnily overlooked.[/p][/quote]McGugan scored 10 goals and made 5 assists, which, while impressive, is nothing on the 12 goals and 10 assists Abdi managed the year before. With Abdi's return from injury, plus the arrival of Tozser and the hardworking Munari, I'm not surprised McGugan's been frozen out.[/p][/quote]Agreed, PozzoHornet. You are bound to be the top midfield scorer if you insist on taking every free-kick and going for goal, whilst shooting on sight when there is half a chance in open play. I felt that this was actually detrimental to the team last season and I can see why Sannino dropped him..... in my mind, he's a luxury player. yeah, there were some good goals from McGugan, but I'd like to see some stats on this, as I reckon it wouldn't make good reading, similar stats to Roberto Carlos, great goals but chances to goals ratio, pretty poor. Better players within the team play better football than McGugan. His overall ability does not justify his attitude. I can honestly say that if he was to leave he'd be forgotten about after a couple of weeks (harsh, but true), though if he changes his attitude and knuckles down, he could be a good squad player......... If his attitude remains the same then he can do one... that's not needed at the club! Derek Payne's Cellar
  • Score: 9

2:36am Fri 29 Aug 14

tonyevans22 says...

Mcgugan had a fairly decent season last year,and all players are disappointed when not playing or when subbed.Some of BS subs sometimes baffle me.It must be frustrating to play well then to be dropped so I could understand why Dyer got the hump.He is our joint top scorer.FF is another one,came on against Bolton,scored,played well,then dropped to bench again.Fossie will prob make way again for Vydra who was poor against Doncaster.My general point was that players who play well and score goals are overlooked when they have done well enough to be selected for the next game.I will still support every player that wears a yellow shirt.
Mcgugan had a fairly decent season last year,and all players are disappointed when not playing or when subbed.Some of BS subs sometimes baffle me.It must be frustrating to play well then to be dropped so I could understand why Dyer got the hump.He is our joint top scorer.FF is another one,came on against Bolton,scored,played well,then dropped to bench again.Fossie will prob make way again for Vydra who was poor against Doncaster.My general point was that players who play well and score goals are overlooked when they have done well enough to be selected for the next game.I will still support every player that wears a yellow shirt. tonyevans22
  • Score: 3

8:19am Fri 29 Aug 14

madhorn says...

I think they are both too good for Rotherham, but I cannot see them getting regular starts based on their current form and apparent attitude.
I think they are both too good for Rotherham, but I cannot see them getting regular starts based on their current form and apparent attitude. madhorn
  • Score: 3

8:35am Fri 29 Aug 14

SteveCut says...

lutondown wrote:
As they say ..The Lord loves a trier
Tell that to Eve.
[quote][p][bold]lutondown[/bold] wrote: As they say ..The Lord loves a trier[/p][/quote]Tell that to Eve. SteveCut
  • Score: 1

8:52am Fri 29 Aug 14

Chris the Vic says...

So it appears others want our Prima Donnas..no surprise in that.

The more I hear of the owners and the manager the more I like.

These players have to await their opportunities and then really go for it. Dyer has to realise that he is not an immediate pick and has to turn up and train better and when he plays do not try to embarass the manager with what has been two stupid and petulant celebrations. As for Mcgugan, another good player, but again one who needs to work harder get fitter and keep up a high standard for 90 minutes. Against Doncaster he did not look to be to different from their midfielders and his work rate was less than good.

Maybe a short loan for both would get them fitter and sharper now we are out of the League Cup.

As for those who denigrate Rotheram, they have done well recently and I doubt that with their work ethic and management that they will be relegated. Three wins out of four and some of our fans get well above themselves. What arrogance
So it appears others want our Prima Donnas..no surprise in that. The more I hear of the owners and the manager the more I like. These players have to await their opportunities and then really go for it. Dyer has to realise that he is not an immediate pick and has to turn up and train better and when he plays do not try to embarass the manager with what has been two stupid and petulant celebrations. As for Mcgugan, another good player, but again one who needs to work harder get fitter and keep up a high standard for 90 minutes. Against Doncaster he did not look to be to different from their midfielders and his work rate was less than good. Maybe a short loan for both would get them fitter and sharper now we are out of the League Cup. As for those who denigrate Rotheram, they have done well recently and I doubt that with their work ethic and management that they will be relegated. Three wins out of four and some of our fans get well above themselves. What arrogance Chris the Vic
  • Score: 12

9:01am Fri 29 Aug 14

wat york says...

SJM...laugh at luton wrote:
What a laugh Rotherham United...

That has made me laugh so much...
Why? We won that Tuesday night but they were by far the better side,
and in all honesty they should have had the game won by the time we
scored.
[quote][p][bold]SJM...laugh at luton[/bold] wrote: What a laugh Rotherham United... That has made me laugh so much...[/p][/quote]Why? We won that Tuesday night but they were by far the better side, and in all honesty they should have had the game won by the time we scored. wat york
  • Score: 3

9:43am Fri 29 Aug 14

Boosey says...

No disrespect to Rotherham but Dyer and McGugan must be thinking,
It seems like we are the dickheads, best knuckle down like our captain has.
No disrespect to Rotherham but Dyer and McGugan must be thinking, It seems like we are the dickheads, best knuckle down like our captain has. Boosey
  • Score: 1

10:28am Fri 29 Aug 14

not a regular says...

He doesn’t have a divine right to play, he doesn’t have a divine right to score. We want to see more goals like Millwall away where he scored by running from deep into space. Not ambitious shots from 30 yards out when our strikers have peeled off their markers.

We were warned about him by Forest fans. He’s a princess, playing for Forest has obviously given him a case of the “I’m too big for this league”.
He doesn’t have a divine right to play, he doesn’t have a divine right to score. We want to see more goals like Millwall away where he scored by running from deep into space. Not ambitious shots from 30 yards out when our strikers have peeled off their markers. We were warned about him by Forest fans. He’s a princess, playing for Forest has obviously given him a case of the “I’m too big for this league”. not a regular
  • Score: 1

10:30am Fri 29 Aug 14

not a regular says...

Having said that, his best game for us was against Bolton where he actually got his head up and made the right decisions. I'd love him to stay and be an integral part of the squad, because he can be.

But if he's intent on throwing a strop just because he has to earn his place, then get rid.
Having said that, his best game for us was against Bolton where he actually got his head up and made the right decisions. I'd love him to stay and be an integral part of the squad, because he can be. But if he's intent on throwing a strop just because he has to earn his place, then get rid. not a regular
  • Score: 4

10:27am Sat 30 Aug 14

corbindallas says...

I do not blame Rotherham doing this for supposedly 2 unsettled players, worth a crack, as for the lambasting against Rotherham as highlighted if they had buried their chances they would have stuffed us by half time so hold your voices on their status in the league. The question on whether or not Dyer and Mc Gugan should be throwing strops depends on how they are being handled, and sometimes teams need a bit of feedback from players fighting for position it is passion, however I think it is also a lack of respect to the coach and there lies a whole host of issues, what has Dyer to do to be a starter, he has scored 3 goals his play is based on experience and I do think he is a valuable player in the squad. McGugan blows hot and cold but also has scored some very important goals for us so should not be written off by fans or coach either. Lets hope this sorts itself out on the pitch and that we play more games like we did against Bolton as so far we have not been playing comfortable football whoevers on the pitch and I am going to be the first to say Vydra has not impressed me so far these few games should FF not be on the pitch instead on those grounds of playing your best XI?
I do not blame Rotherham doing this for supposedly 2 unsettled players, worth a crack, as for the lambasting against Rotherham as highlighted if they had buried their chances they would have stuffed us by half time so hold your voices on their status in the league. The question on whether or not Dyer and Mc Gugan should be throwing strops depends on how they are being handled, and sometimes teams need a bit of feedback from players fighting for position it is passion, however I think it is also a lack of respect to the coach and there lies a whole host of issues, what has Dyer to do to be a starter, he has scored 3 goals his play is based on experience and I do think he is a valuable player in the squad. McGugan blows hot and cold but also has scored some very important goals for us so should not be written off by fans or coach either. Lets hope this sorts itself out on the pitch and that we play more games like we did against Bolton as so far we have not been playing comfortable football whoevers on the pitch and I am going to be the first to say Vydra has not impressed me so far these few games should FF not be on the pitch instead on those grounds of playing your best XI? corbindallas
  • Score: 1
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