Beppe Sannino has not asked Watford to clarify his future because 'results are speaking clearly'

Beppe Sannino. Picture: Dave Peters.

Beppe Sannino. Picture: Dave Peters.

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Watford head coach Beppe Sannino says he has not asked the club to clarify if his future is in doubt because he believes “the results are speaking clearly”.

Ten days ago we reported that Sannino’s future as Hornets boss was in serious doubt and we understand that is still the case despite the club being in the automatic promotion places.

Some of the club’s senior players are unhappy with Sannino’s management style and we understand there are also issues with the training.

However, on the pitch Sannino’s Watford are achieving what the owners desire; with the Golden Boys winning four of their five Championship matches and sitting in the top two.

One national newspaper also reported that Sannino’s future was in doubt today and the Italian was asked if the club had spoken to him about whether his job was at risk, after today’s 4-2 victory over Huddersfield Town.

He said: “No. I am the gaffer at Watford and I am happy with the result. But I don’t know about the other situation.”

He later added: “I don’t speak about this situation.”

So has Sannino asked the club if the reports are true?

“I have not asked the club because ... (it was then unclear what Sannino said).”

One of Watford’s press officers then asked if the media would not ask any more questions on Sannino’s future.

But when Sannino was asked to clarify the last part of his answer, he added: “I don’t think I am in a position to ask the club about my future because the results are speaking clearly.

“I work always. This is my job. I love my job and I love everything about Watford.”

Unprompted, Sannino then added: “There is a sad feeling in the [press] room but we should be happy because we won a difficult match. Smile.”

Watford won 4-2 this afternoon despite twice losing a lead and then having Gabriel Tamas sent off with the score level.

Sannino believes that today he saw something from his team that he had not seen before.

He said: “I am very happy with the result because I saw a team made up of great men. It is the first time for me that I’ve seen this commitment and effort from my lads. I saw my face on the pitch today.

“I watched friends on the pitch help each other and that is fantastic. So I am very happy for them, the fans and also for you [the local journalists].”

He continued: “This is my mentality and my way to work. You don’t know me or my past very well.

“In my life I was managing a team from League Two [in Italy] and I reached Serie A because all of the teams I have managed have had my mentality and aggressiveness to win games.

“Today I am very happy because for 30 minutes I was watching a team I want to see every game.”

Asked if he believes Watford have that same mentality as his other teams, Sannino continued: “I think my lads understood today that if they stick together and suffer together then they can become a great team.

“They enjoyed today and that is the most important thing today.”

“We have had good performances in the past but with this one I particularly feel like it was one [of Watford’s best performances under my reign],” Sannino said.

“Not because of quality but because of the passion and the heart.”

Read more of Sannino's post-match comments here.

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9:36pm Sat 30 Aug 14

cliff46 says...

Why don't you just let the man get on with his job.? We are second in the table and if there are one or two sour faces in the dressing room who cares.
As anyone ever worked in a competitive environment where every single person is happy ?
Why don't you just let the man get on with his job.? We are second in the table and if there are one or two sour faces in the dressing room who cares. As anyone ever worked in a competitive environment where every single person is happy ? cliff46
  • Score: 202

9:38pm Sat 30 Aug 14

Guy Bov says...

Good for him. Why should Sannino have to respond to rumours spread primarily on social media by those supposedly ITK

It's a results basis.... and right now he's producing them
Good for him. Why should Sannino have to respond to rumours spread primarily on social media by those supposedly ITK It's a results basis.... and right now he's producing them Guy Bov
  • Score: 89

9:43pm Sat 30 Aug 14

Vespa1 says...

cliff46 wrote:
Why don't you just let the man get on with his job.? We are second in the table and if there are one or two sour faces in the dressing room who cares.
As anyone ever worked in a competitive environment where every single person is happy ?
Is FS trying to further his career by making up elaborated stories based on speculation and rumours - the owners of scummy little tabloids like the Mail or Sun would be impressed.
[quote][p][bold]cliff46[/bold] wrote: Why don't you just let the man get on with his job.? We are second in the table and if there are one or two sour faces in the dressing room who cares. As anyone ever worked in a competitive environment where every single person is happy ?[/p][/quote]Is FS trying to further his career by making up elaborated stories based on speculation and rumours - the owners of scummy little tabloids like the Mail or Sun would be impressed. Vespa1
  • Score: 56

9:46pm Sat 30 Aug 14

scottwfc says...

For fecks sake Smith, let go, grow up and move on. Accept that you aren't going to get Beppe sacked. I don't care if some of the players don't like him, I didn't like many of the people I've worked for over the years, and I expect there's precious few in your office who like you.

Results are what matter to the Pozzo's, not the biased opinions of a provincial journalist who's not got good enough to get a job with a real paper.
For fecks sake Smith, let go, grow up and move on. Accept that you aren't going to get Beppe sacked. I don't care if some of the players don't like him, I didn't like many of the people I've worked for over the years, and I expect there's precious few in your office who like you. Results are what matter to the Pozzo's, not the biased opinions of a provincial journalist who's not got good enough to get a job with a real paper. scottwfc
  • Score: 83

10:04pm Sat 30 Aug 14

Jarnold1881 says...

Getting tired of hearing his job is in the balance, it shouldn't be because he's giving us the results we want. Simple as.

The Pozzos have proved themselves as dedicated to the long term interests of the club and are doing everything they can to get us promoted. Why would they fire a manager who is CLEARLY focused on promotion and promotion alone.

If a couple of players are angry that they're not starting, they need to realise that we have a large squad full of great players. Once we have figured out the best starting XI and a few rotation players a lot of our large squad will go on loan (as is already happening with a few players already) to get game time and experience, they do well, we sell em for a tidy profit. It's what the Pozzos do and I am all for it.

COYH!! Champions League football in 2 seasons! ;)
Getting tired of hearing his job is in the balance, it shouldn't be because he's giving us the results we want. Simple as. The Pozzos have proved themselves as dedicated to the long term interests of the club and are doing everything they can to get us promoted. Why would they fire a manager who is CLEARLY focused on promotion and promotion alone. If a couple of players are angry that they're not starting, they need to realise that we have a large squad full of great players. Once we have figured out the best starting XI and a few rotation players a lot of our large squad will go on loan (as is already happening with a few players already) to get game time and experience, they do well, we sell em for a tidy profit. It's what the Pozzos do and I am all for it. COYH!! Champions League football in 2 seasons! ;) Jarnold1881
  • Score: 50

10:04pm Sat 30 Aug 14

The Skeptical Optimist says...

scottwfc wrote:
For fecks sake Smith, let go, grow up and move on. Accept that you aren't going to get Beppe sacked. I don't care if some of the players don't like him, I didn't like many of the people I've worked for over the years, and I expect there's precious few in your office who like you.

Results are what matter to the Pozzo's, not the biased opinions of a provincial journalist who's not got good enough to get a job with a real paper.
Ooh! Scathing!
[quote][p][bold]scottwfc[/bold] wrote: For fecks sake Smith, let go, grow up and move on. Accept that you aren't going to get Beppe sacked. I don't care if some of the players don't like him, I didn't like many of the people I've worked for over the years, and I expect there's precious few in your office who like you. Results are what matter to the Pozzo's, not the biased opinions of a provincial journalist who's not got good enough to get a job with a real paper.[/p][/quote]Ooh! Scathing! The Skeptical Optimist
  • Score: 8

10:08pm Sat 30 Aug 14

lutondown says...

scottwfc wrote:
For fecks sake Smith, let go, grow up and move on. Accept that you aren't going to get Beppe sacked. I don't care if some of the players don't like him, I didn't like many of the people I've worked for over the years, and I expect there's precious few in your office who like you.

Results are what matter to the Pozzo's, not the biased opinions of a provincial journalist who's not got good enough to get a job with a real paper.
No Beppe will get himself sacked
Bizarre selections to say the least
A strong team spirit getting them over the line,not his coaching nous.
Don't you get it? The reporters are merely following up on reports of unrest, or do you simply want to hear happy flappy stuff regardless of the truth
Great effort from 1881 and all the rookery today
[quote][p][bold]scottwfc[/bold] wrote: For fecks sake Smith, let go, grow up and move on. Accept that you aren't going to get Beppe sacked. I don't care if some of the players don't like him, I didn't like many of the people I've worked for over the years, and I expect there's precious few in your office who like you. Results are what matter to the Pozzo's, not the biased opinions of a provincial journalist who's not got good enough to get a job with a real paper.[/p][/quote]No Beppe will get himself sacked Bizarre selections to say the least A strong team spirit getting them over the line,not his coaching nous. Don't you get it? The reporters are merely following up on reports of unrest, or do you simply want to hear happy flappy stuff regardless of the truth Great effort from 1881 and all the rookery today lutondown
  • Score: -79

10:19pm Sat 30 Aug 14

watfordway says...

Frank, this is boring. Move on.
Frank, this is boring. Move on. watfordway
  • Score: 45

10:21pm Sat 30 Aug 14

buckler says...

Dead Man Walking...
Dead Man Walking... buckler
  • Score: -77

10:25pm Sat 30 Aug 14

berkshire orn says...

Beppe keep doing what your doing and you will manage in the premiership uuuuuuuu horns
Beppe keep doing what your doing and you will manage in the premiership uuuuuuuu horns berkshire orn
  • Score: 35

10:28pm Sat 30 Aug 14

Hampshire hornet says...

Put him out of his misery and get someone else in SOON , I could get results with the squad at his disposal, plus I can speak English
Put him out of his misery and get someone else in SOON , I could get results with the squad at his disposal, plus I can speak English Hampshire hornet
  • Score: -87

10:30pm Sat 30 Aug 14

berkshire orn says...

buckler wrote:
Dead Man Walking...
What a dick head with comments like that .
[quote][p][bold]buckler[/bold] wrote: Dead Man Walking...[/p][/quote]What a dick head with comments like that . berkshire orn
  • Score: 74

10:31pm Sat 30 Aug 14

EltonForever says...

I fail to understand SOME of our supporters. We are 2nd in the table. How much better could we have won this match today with a different manager, having regard to the fact that we were down to just 10 men.

I support the manager for as long as he is our manager and so should all genuine WFC supporters.

Give me a vote and show you agree!
I fail to understand SOME of our supporters. We are 2nd in the table. How much better could we have won this match today with a different manager, having regard to the fact that we were down to just 10 men. I support the manager for as long as he is our manager and so should all genuine WFC supporters. Give me a vote and show you agree! EltonForever
  • Score: 183

10:31pm Sat 30 Aug 14

exeterhornet says...

I don't know if anything untoward is happening in the dressing room but as I have said before, Beppe could win the next six games and then when we lose, the Beppe out brigade will be back at full throttle. Why are certain people so pious, holier than thou, and so ready to sit in judgement of a guy who appears to have a genuine desire to get this club promoted. I may be wrong and Beppe may not be the long term solution but for God's sake lets have some civility in judging the fella. Part of being a Watford fan, historically, is being tolerant, patient and realistic. Sir GT would not have hung around for as long as he did if he had received half the crap that Beppe is getting now. Of course he will leave us one day, either by sacking or resignation, but now is not the time, surely.
I don't know if anything untoward is happening in the dressing room but as I have said before, Beppe could win the next six games and then when we lose, the Beppe out brigade will be back at full throttle. Why are certain people so pious, holier than thou, and so ready to sit in judgement of a guy who appears to have a genuine desire to get this club promoted. I may be wrong and Beppe may not be the long term solution but for God's sake lets have some civility in judging the fella. Part of being a Watford fan, historically, is being tolerant, patient and realistic. Sir GT would not have hung around for as long as he did if he had received half the crap that Beppe is getting now. Of course he will leave us one day, either by sacking or resignation, but now is not the time, surely. exeterhornet
  • Score: 89

10:33pm Sat 30 Aug 14

RobboBTC says...

I have to agree, Frank can you not just leave this one alone? Talking about senior players being unhappy...today, performance wise we weren't at our best but for effort, desire and shear commitment when we went down to 10 men clearly suggested every player is giving their all for the cause. Who cares if they don't all like the manager. Clearly Mcgugan is an issue, hence him not getting in the squad.
I have to agree, Frank can you not just leave this one alone? Talking about senior players being unhappy...today, performance wise we weren't at our best but for effort, desire and shear commitment when we went down to 10 men clearly suggested every player is giving their all for the cause. Who cares if they don't all like the manager. Clearly Mcgugan is an issue, hence him not getting in the squad. RobboBTC
  • Score: 47

10:34pm Sat 30 Aug 14

berkshire orn says...

exeterhornet wrote:
I don't know if anything untoward is happening in the dressing room but as I have said before, Beppe could win the next six games and then when we lose, the Beppe out brigade will be back at full throttle. Why are certain people so pious, holier than thou, and so ready to sit in judgement of a guy who appears to have a genuine desire to get this club promoted. I may be wrong and Beppe may not be the long term solution but for God's sake lets have some civility in judging the fella. Part of being a Watford fan, historically, is being tolerant, patient and realistic. Sir GT would not have hung around for as long as he did if he had received half the crap that Beppe is getting now. Of course he will leave us one day, either by sacking or resignation, but now is not the time, surely.
Well said
[quote][p][bold]exeterhornet[/bold] wrote: I don't know if anything untoward is happening in the dressing room but as I have said before, Beppe could win the next six games and then when we lose, the Beppe out brigade will be back at full throttle. Why are certain people so pious, holier than thou, and so ready to sit in judgement of a guy who appears to have a genuine desire to get this club promoted. I may be wrong and Beppe may not be the long term solution but for God's sake lets have some civility in judging the fella. Part of being a Watford fan, historically, is being tolerant, patient and realistic. Sir GT would not have hung around for as long as he did if he had received half the crap that Beppe is getting now. Of course he will leave us one day, either by sacking or resignation, but now is not the time, surely.[/p][/quote]Well said berkshire orn
  • Score: 29

10:36pm Sat 30 Aug 14

Hornet Cornet says...

Ode to Watford

Almen Abdi comes from the land of Swiss,
He’s just so good, Hudders thought he was taking the pi55,
He scored a goal that was rather good,
He loves his gruyere, his cows, he’s good.

And then there’s Deeney, so loyal and strong,
Little did he know that Lloydinho was wearing a thong,
He’s a Watford legend, that we know,
And that goal vs Leicester, it’s the best ever I know.

And then there’s Keithy Andrews who’s older than me,
Some say he should have biscuits and a cuppa tea,
For I am happy with being a golden ‘orn,
Buckler will celebrate by watching some ****

5 points to anyone with the most unpredictable guess at the four letter word.

I thank you
HC
Ode to Watford Almen Abdi comes from the land of Swiss, He’s just so good, Hudders thought he was taking the pi55, He scored a goal that was rather good, He loves his gruyere, his cows, he’s good. And then there’s Deeney, so loyal and strong, Little did he know that Lloydinho was wearing a thong, He’s a Watford legend, that we know, And that goal vs Leicester, it’s the best ever I know. And then there’s Keithy Andrews who’s older than me, Some say he should have biscuits and a cuppa tea, For I am happy with being a golden ‘orn, Buckler will celebrate by watching some **** 5 points to anyone with the most unpredictable guess at the four letter word. I thank you HC Hornet Cornet
  • Score: -39

10:40pm Sat 30 Aug 14

rickmansworth_robert says...

The sooner he is gone the better:

Still hasn't learnt english to a high enough standard.

Changed the formation 3 times on Tuesday. Clueless.

Didn't start Hoban today for no reason - played Ekstrand and Tamas as a wide centre back.

Players don't like him - his position is not tenable in the long run. Like Di Canio, won't be able to sustain results over the season.

I imagine the Pozzos have been discussing replacements and with the international break will shortly wield the axe.

Maybe he can get a job at the Watford hospital.
The sooner he is gone the better: Still hasn't learnt english to a high enough standard. Changed the formation 3 times on Tuesday. Clueless. Didn't start Hoban today for no reason - played Ekstrand and Tamas as a wide centre back. Players don't like him - his position is not tenable in the long run. Like Di Canio, won't be able to sustain results over the season. I imagine the Pozzos have been discussing replacements and with the international break will shortly wield the axe. Maybe he can get a job at the Watford hospital. rickmansworth_robert
  • Score: -105

10:41pm Sat 30 Aug 14

DuffmanWFC says...

All this tiresome questioning on Beppe's position from the WO is just bo11ocks really!
And to all the so called fans that still want him out because he's no glamour name... P155 off!
Beppe has done well so far and 12 points from 15 is a great start - the Norwich game was over before it began!
All this Beppe out cr4p has been going on since the end of last season when we lost the last 4 games on the bounce! Yep it was disappointing but the season was over well before then and up to that point we had improved under Beppe - the bad run that led to Zola's exit put the nail in the promotion coffin I'm afraid!
Even if we won 3 out of those 4 games and drew 1 we still wouldn't of made the play offs last season!
People seem to forget that fact in their continuous quest to undermine Beppe's position!
Yep we were poor in the cup in midweek but so what? Beppe I believe did the right thing in playing the players that haven't played much to see if they play well as apparently some were upset as they believe they are better then what they really are! We all saw how good they are didn't we? There wasn't one player that really showed Beppe he was wrong as this was a game we could afford to loose and it gave everyone a run out!
Beppe did the right thing in the Doncaster game by keeping the 3-5-2 formation as that's our main set up and it makes sense - however as Hoban played it was probably right long term to put him on the bench today!
Don't forget young Tommy had a bad injury last season and he's only just started playing regular and you don't know how his body is going to react! He's our best defender and we need him to play 35 times or more this season if we are going to achieve promotion!
Angella, Hoban and Tamas is our best 3 centre back pairing in our system and with Ekstrand covering the suspensions and injuries I expect them to all feature lots this season!
And regards the Beppe out brigade as he's apparently lost the dressing room.... That's garbage too!
I and all of us WFC fans shouldn't give a 5hit if the likes of McGuga, Dyer and one or two others are pi55ed off! Reason being so far is that Beppe's got it right and got the results!
The way Dyer and McGugan have behaved recently is childish and embarrassing and if they want out then fine... However I don't see a cue of clubs wanting them so they can't be as good as what they think they are!
Those two need to knuckle down and work hard! Like Beppe said we looked united in that last 20 minutes and previously we would of lost that game but we WON it!
Well done to all of us fans that got behind the lads today and the Vic was buzzing at the end! We did our bit and got behind our team!
So let's get behind them for the rest of this season and we will go up!
We have great owners and a great set of players and a manager who hasn't done anything wrong but everything right so far!
The future looks promising but this continuous rubbish and stirring won't get us anyware! It's counter productive!
So my final message to u all is lets back Beppe as he isn't going to be replaced by the Pozzo's with a 4 wins out if 5 record
All this tiresome questioning on Beppe's position from the WO is just bo11ocks really! And to all the so called fans that still want him out because he's no glamour name... P155 off! Beppe has done well so far and 12 points from 15 is a great start - the Norwich game was over before it began! All this Beppe out cr4p has been going on since the end of last season when we lost the last 4 games on the bounce! Yep it was disappointing but the season was over well before then and up to that point we had improved under Beppe - the bad run that led to Zola's exit put the nail in the promotion coffin I'm afraid! Even if we won 3 out of those 4 games and drew 1 we still wouldn't of made the play offs last season! People seem to forget that fact in their continuous quest to undermine Beppe's position! Yep we were poor in the cup in midweek but so what? Beppe I believe did the right thing in playing the players that haven't played much to see if they play well as apparently some were upset as they believe they are better then what they really are! We all saw how good they are didn't we? There wasn't one player that really showed Beppe he was wrong as this was a game we could afford to loose and it gave everyone a run out! Beppe did the right thing in the Doncaster game by keeping the 3-5-2 formation as that's our main set up and it makes sense - however as Hoban played it was probably right long term to put him on the bench today! Don't forget young Tommy had a bad injury last season and he's only just started playing regular and you don't know how his body is going to react! He's our best defender and we need him to play 35 times or more this season if we are going to achieve promotion! Angella, Hoban and Tamas is our best 3 centre back pairing in our system and with Ekstrand covering the suspensions and injuries I expect them to all feature lots this season! And regards the Beppe out brigade as he's apparently lost the dressing room.... That's garbage too! I and all of us WFC fans shouldn't give a 5hit if the likes of McGuga, Dyer and one or two others are pi55ed off! Reason being so far is that Beppe's got it right and got the results! The way Dyer and McGugan have behaved recently is childish and embarrassing and if they want out then fine... However I don't see a cue of clubs wanting them so they can't be as good as what they think they are! Those two need to knuckle down and work hard! Like Beppe said we looked united in that last 20 minutes and previously we would of lost that game but we WON it! Well done to all of us fans that got behind the lads today and the Vic was buzzing at the end! We did our bit and got behind our team! So let's get behind them for the rest of this season and we will go up! We have great owners and a great set of players and a manager who hasn't done anything wrong but everything right so far! The future looks promising but this continuous rubbish and stirring won't get us anyware! It's counter productive! So my final message to u all is lets back Beppe as he isn't going to be replaced by the Pozzo's with a 4 wins out if 5 record DuffmanWFC
  • Score: 85

10:48pm Sat 30 Aug 14

Hornet Cornet says...

rickmansworth_robert wrote:
The sooner he is gone the better:

Still hasn't learnt english to a high enough standard.

Changed the formation 3 times on Tuesday. Clueless.

Didn't start Hoban today for no reason - played Ekstrand and Tamas as a wide centre back.

Players don't like him - his position is not tenable in the long run. Like Di Canio, won't be able to sustain results over the season.

I imagine the Pozzos have been discussing replacements and with the international break will shortly wield the axe.

Maybe he can get a job at the Watford hospital.
yes your arguments are very clever. we're sat 2nd in the league, you've got no basis to know whether he'll cut it in the championship and you're jumping on the bandwagon. Yawn.
[quote][p][bold]rickmansworth_robert[/bold] wrote: The sooner he is gone the better: Still hasn't learnt english to a high enough standard. Changed the formation 3 times on Tuesday. Clueless. Didn't start Hoban today for no reason - played Ekstrand and Tamas as a wide centre back. Players don't like him - his position is not tenable in the long run. Like Di Canio, won't be able to sustain results over the season. I imagine the Pozzos have been discussing replacements and with the international break will shortly wield the axe. Maybe he can get a job at the Watford hospital.[/p][/quote]yes your arguments are very clever. we're sat 2nd in the league, you've got no basis to know whether he'll cut it in the championship and you're jumping on the bandwagon. Yawn. Hornet Cornet
  • Score: 19

10:51pm Sat 30 Aug 14

buckler says...

berkshire orn wrote:
buckler wrote:
Dead Man Walking...
What a dick head with comments like that .
Wait till Monday you Berk horn ! He's a gonna!
[quote][p][bold]berkshire orn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buckler[/bold] wrote: Dead Man Walking...[/p][/quote]What a dick head with comments like that .[/p][/quote]Wait till Monday you Berk horn ! He's a gonna! buckler
  • Score: -61

10:53pm Sat 30 Aug 14

llloydwithathirdl says...

rickmansworth_robert wrote:
The sooner he is gone the better:

Still hasn't learnt english to a high enough standard.

Changed the formation 3 times on Tuesday. Clueless.

Didn't start Hoban today for no reason - played Ekstrand and Tamas as a wide centre back.

Players don't like him - his position is not tenable in the long run. Like Di Canio, won't be able to sustain results over the season.

I imagine the Pozzos have been discussing replacements and with the international break will shortly wield the axe.

Maybe he can get a job at the Watford hospital.
Did you watch today's game? We were fantastic. He picked the right team, played the right tactics, made the right subs at the right time. He showed passion on the touchline, and we won three hard earned points.

If you can't enjoy that you should probably stop watching football.
[quote][p][bold]rickmansworth_robert[/bold] wrote: The sooner he is gone the better: Still hasn't learnt english to a high enough standard. Changed the formation 3 times on Tuesday. Clueless. Didn't start Hoban today for no reason - played Ekstrand and Tamas as a wide centre back. Players don't like him - his position is not tenable in the long run. Like Di Canio, won't be able to sustain results over the season. I imagine the Pozzos have been discussing replacements and with the international break will shortly wield the axe. Maybe he can get a job at the Watford hospital.[/p][/quote]Did you watch today's game? We were fantastic. He picked the right team, played the right tactics, made the right subs at the right time. He showed passion on the touchline, and we won three hard earned points. If you can't enjoy that you should probably stop watching football. llloydwithathirdl
  • Score: 68

10:55pm Sat 30 Aug 14

buckler says...

Hornet Cornet wrote:
Ode to Watford

Almen Abdi comes from the land of Swiss,
He’s just so good, Hudders thought he was taking the pi55,
He scored a goal that was rather good,
He loves his gruyere, his cows, he’s good.

And then there’s Deeney, so loyal and strong,
Little did he know that Lloydinho was wearing a thong,
He’s a Watford legend, that we know,
And that goal vs Leicester, it’s the best ever I know.

And then there’s Keithy Andrews who’s older than me,
Some say he should have biscuits and a cuppa tea,
For I am happy with being a golden ‘orn,
Buckler will celebrate by watching some ****

5 points to anyone with the most unpredictable guess at the four letter word.

I thank you
HC
Keep me out of your pathetic ode's thanks! I go home and away and will say what the **** I want!
[quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: Ode to Watford Almen Abdi comes from the land of Swiss, He’s just so good, Hudders thought he was taking the pi55, He scored a goal that was rather good, He loves his gruyere, his cows, he’s good. And then there’s Deeney, so loyal and strong, Little did he know that Lloydinho was wearing a thong, He’s a Watford legend, that we know, And that goal vs Leicester, it’s the best ever I know. And then there’s Keithy Andrews who’s older than me, Some say he should have biscuits and a cuppa tea, For I am happy with being a golden ‘orn, Buckler will celebrate by watching some **** 5 points to anyone with the most unpredictable guess at the four letter word. I thank you HC[/p][/quote]Keep me out of your pathetic ode's thanks! I go home and away and will say what the **** I want! buckler
  • Score: -45

10:56pm Sat 30 Aug 14

SJM...laugh at luton says...

rickmansworth_robert wrote:
The sooner he is gone the better:

Still hasn't learnt english to a high enough standard.

Changed the formation 3 times on Tuesday. Clueless.

Didn't start Hoban today for no reason - played Ekstrand and Tamas as a wide centre back.

Players don't like him - his position is not tenable in the long run. Like Di Canio, won't be able to sustain results over the season.

I imagine the Pozzos have been discussing replacements and with the international break will shortly wield the axe.

Maybe he can get a job at the Watford hospital.
Mate...go away,you stupid little man...
[quote][p][bold]rickmansworth_robert[/bold] wrote: The sooner he is gone the better: Still hasn't learnt english to a high enough standard. Changed the formation 3 times on Tuesday. Clueless. Didn't start Hoban today for no reason - played Ekstrand and Tamas as a wide centre back. Players don't like him - his position is not tenable in the long run. Like Di Canio, won't be able to sustain results over the season. I imagine the Pozzos have been discussing replacements and with the international break will shortly wield the axe. Maybe he can get a job at the Watford hospital.[/p][/quote]Mate...go away,you stupid little man... SJM...laugh at luton
  • Score: 35

10:57pm Sat 30 Aug 14

llloydwithathirdl says...

Also the speed at which he is learning English is highly commendable.
Also the speed at which he is learning English is highly commendable. llloydwithathirdl
  • Score: 43

10:58pm Sat 30 Aug 14

SJM...laugh at luton says...

SJM...laugh at luton wrote:
rickmansworth_robert wrote:
The sooner he is gone the better:

Still hasn't learnt english to a high enough standard.

Changed the formation 3 times on Tuesday. Clueless.

Didn't start Hoban today for no reason - played Ekstrand and Tamas as a wide centre back.

Players don't like him - his position is not tenable in the long run. Like Di Canio, won't be able to sustain results over the season.

I imagine the Pozzos have been discussing replacements and with the international break will shortly wield the axe.

Maybe he can get a job at the Watford hospital.
Mate...go away,you stupid little man...
Robert u r boring mate...
[quote][p][bold]SJM...laugh at luton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rickmansworth_robert[/bold] wrote: The sooner he is gone the better: Still hasn't learnt english to a high enough standard. Changed the formation 3 times on Tuesday. Clueless. Didn't start Hoban today for no reason - played Ekstrand and Tamas as a wide centre back. Players don't like him - his position is not tenable in the long run. Like Di Canio, won't be able to sustain results over the season. I imagine the Pozzos have been discussing replacements and with the international break will shortly wield the axe. Maybe he can get a job at the Watford hospital.[/p][/quote]Mate...go away,you stupid little man...[/p][/quote]Robert u r boring mate... SJM...laugh at luton
  • Score: -8

10:59pm Sat 30 Aug 14

watfordkev says...

4 wins out of 5. End of.
4 wins out of 5. End of. watfordkev
  • Score: 26

11:03pm Sat 30 Aug 14

COGGDAVE1 says...

This wont stop until Smith is sacked from WO. It is obvious to everyone it is a personal thing...how unprofessional can you get ???
We have just scored 4 again, with ten men, brilliant conclusion to a great game ...Frank ..its you who have to go...not Beppe...Taxi for Smith ..!!!!
This wont stop until Smith is sacked from WO. It is obvious to everyone it is a personal thing...how unprofessional can you get ??? We have just scored 4 again, with ten men, brilliant conclusion to a great game ...Frank ..its you who have to go...not Beppe...Taxi for Smith ..!!!! COGGDAVE1
  • Score: 47

11:03pm Sat 30 Aug 14

buckler says...

Monday can't wait..
Monday can't wait.. buckler
  • Score: -62

11:25pm Sat 30 Aug 14

Hornet Cornet says...

buckler wrote:
Hornet Cornet wrote:
Ode to Watford

Almen Abdi comes from the land of Swiss,
He’s just so good, Hudders thought he was taking the pi55,
He scored a goal that was rather good,
He loves his gruyere, his cows, he’s good.

And then there’s Deeney, so loyal and strong,
Little did he know that Lloydinho was wearing a thong,
He’s a Watford legend, that we know,
And that goal vs Leicester, it’s the best ever I know.

And then there’s Keithy Andrews who’s older than me,
Some say he should have biscuits and a cuppa tea,
For I am happy with being a golden ‘orn,
Buckler will celebrate by watching some ****

5 points to anyone with the most unpredictable guess at the four letter word.

I thank you
HC
Keep me out of your pathetic ode's thanks! I go home and away and will say what the **** I want!
You love my odes. Admit it.

Anyway all you had to do was put the word 'news' and you could've kept yourself happy.

I shall oderise you to Hertford and back.

Ta ta

HC
[quote][p][bold]buckler[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: Ode to Watford Almen Abdi comes from the land of Swiss, He’s just so good, Hudders thought he was taking the pi55, He scored a goal that was rather good, He loves his gruyere, his cows, he’s good. And then there’s Deeney, so loyal and strong, Little did he know that Lloydinho was wearing a thong, He’s a Watford legend, that we know, And that goal vs Leicester, it’s the best ever I know. And then there’s Keithy Andrews who’s older than me, Some say he should have biscuits and a cuppa tea, For I am happy with being a golden ‘orn, Buckler will celebrate by watching some **** 5 points to anyone with the most unpredictable guess at the four letter word. I thank you HC[/p][/quote]Keep me out of your pathetic ode's thanks! I go home and away and will say what the **** I want![/p][/quote]You love my odes. Admit it. Anyway all you had to do was put the word 'news' and you could've kept yourself happy. I shall oderise you to Hertford and back. Ta ta HC Hornet Cornet
  • Score: 4

11:35pm Sat 30 Aug 14

Hornetsnest says...

We should all be proud of the atmosphere and support from the rookery today, in the last thirty minutes the team responded, definitely one to remember, good times!
We should all be proud of the atmosphere and support from the rookery today, in the last thirty minutes the team responded, definitely one to remember, good times! Hornetsnest
  • Score: 30

11:37pm Sat 30 Aug 14

Potton Hornet says...

It's a shame Frank and WO don't mention how every player shook hands with Beppe today at the end. There wasn't much sign of unhappy players there. He doesn't deserve this given the start made, no matter what people's reservations maybe. Get off his back!
It's a shame Frank and WO don't mention how every player shook hands with Beppe today at the end. There wasn't much sign of unhappy players there. He doesn't deserve this given the start made, no matter what people's reservations maybe. Get off his back! Potton Hornet
  • Score: 68

11:38pm Sat 30 Aug 14

DJ11WFC says...

COGGDAVE1 wrote:
This wont stop until Smith is sacked from WO. It is obvious to everyone it is a personal thing...how unprofessional can you get ???
We have just scored 4 again, with ten men, brilliant conclusion to a great game ...Frank ..its you who have to go...not Beppe...Taxi for Smith ..!!!!
Let's start a Smith out campaign. See how he likes it. His articles add zero value and are usually too late or full of garbage.
WO bring in someone who cares about WFC and writes factual articles instead of hearsay that he has read on wfc forums ...lazy journalist out!!!
[quote][p][bold]COGGDAVE1[/bold] wrote: This wont stop until Smith is sacked from WO. It is obvious to everyone it is a personal thing...how unprofessional can you get ??? We have just scored 4 again, with ten men, brilliant conclusion to a great game ...Frank ..its you who have to go...not Beppe...Taxi for Smith ..!!!![/p][/quote]Let's start a Smith out campaign. See how he likes it. His articles add zero value and are usually too late or full of garbage. WO bring in someone who cares about WFC and writes factual articles instead of hearsay that he has read on wfc forums ...lazy journalist out!!! DJ11WFC
  • Score: 33

11:38pm Sat 30 Aug 14

The_Hornet says...

I'd happily see the likes of Dyer and McGugan, or whoever else, leave if it will make these pathetic rumours dissolve. Never really rated Dyer's attitude on the pitch anyway. I remember him playing against us when he played for Leicester. His attitude on the pitch awarded him a boo from the Watford fans whenever he touched the ball, in the end. As we've seen, we can score 3 goals, 4 goals, whatever, without them. Get rid of the children and move on is what I'd say.
I'd happily see the likes of Dyer and McGugan, or whoever else, leave if it will make these pathetic rumours dissolve. Never really rated Dyer's attitude on the pitch anyway. I remember him playing against us when he played for Leicester. His attitude on the pitch awarded him a boo from the Watford fans whenever he touched the ball, in the end. As we've seen, we can score 3 goals, 4 goals, whatever, without them. Get rid of the children and move on is what I'd say. The_Hornet
  • Score: 27

11:41pm Sat 30 Aug 14

SJM...laugh at luton says...

I'm starting a campaine to get Frank Smith sacked...

He is nothing but trouble,Watford Observer is way off the pace on most Frank Smith stories...

We are 2nd,doing good,unlike u Frank...

Go now please...
I'm starting a campaine to get Frank Smith sacked... He is nothing but trouble,Watford Observer is way off the pace on most Frank Smith stories... We are 2nd,doing good,unlike u Frank... Go now please... SJM...laugh at luton
  • Score: 26

11:46pm Sat 30 Aug 14

tonyevans22 says...

To be fair to Frank this interview was on other websites before here,so he is only relating what was said back to the WO..and he is a reporter and reporters report stuff to the papers,whether you like it or not,it is still news,or do we have blank papers,and just guess what has been said.Then again many will moan we have heard nothing from him after the win.He can only answer questions he is asked.
To be fair to Frank this interview was on other websites before here,so he is only relating what was said back to the WO..and he is a reporter and reporters report stuff to the papers,whether you like it or not,it is still news,or do we have blank papers,and just guess what has been said.Then again many will moan we have heard nothing from him after the win.He can only answer questions he is asked. tonyevans22
  • Score: -5

11:54pm Sat 30 Aug 14

peter10531089 says...

lutondown wrote:
scottwfc wrote:
For fecks sake Smith, let go, grow up and move on. Accept that you aren't going to get Beppe sacked. I don't care if some of the players don't like him, I didn't like many of the people I've worked for over the years, and I expect there's precious few in your office who like you.

Results are what matter to the Pozzo's, not the biased opinions of a provincial journalist who's not got good enough to get a job with a real paper.
No Beppe will get himself sacked
Bizarre selections to say the least
A strong team spirit getting them over the line,not his coaching nous.
Don't you get it? The reporters are merely following up on reports of unrest, or do you simply want to hear happy flappy stuff regardless of the truth
Great effort from 1881 and all the rookery today
Got to agree with LD -I appreciate that we won but the result today had far more to do with the determination and spirit of the players on the field than the tactical noise of the man in the dug out - it can be argued that he has engendered this determination of course - but tactically they were killing us 11 v 11 - especially in the middle of the park - and it was only when we had to sit deep and hit them on the break that we started to cope - ironic I know. The fact that it took Beppe 10 minutes to get Hoban on after the red card also smacked of the same impotence that seemingly prevented him changing personnel or shape prior to their second equaliser. Heart, work rate and passion are great, and necessary but will only get us so far - we need a man manager and tactician as well. The players last half hour were fabulous. Thought Tamas was daft for his second yellow but he has been more than decent this season but Ekstrand for Hoban to start was another strange decision for me after he let us down at Norwich and Hoban has not put a foot wrong - other than missing that header vs Leeds. I realise that many will say I am just moaning but I enjoyed the win as much as anyone but this is my take on the game not just the result.
Finally at the start of the second half Gomes came up to the family stand and gave some gloves to a fan - lovely touch.
[quote][p][bold]lutondown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scottwfc[/bold] wrote: For fecks sake Smith, let go, grow up and move on. Accept that you aren't going to get Beppe sacked. I don't care if some of the players don't like him, I didn't like many of the people I've worked for over the years, and I expect there's precious few in your office who like you. Results are what matter to the Pozzo's, not the biased opinions of a provincial journalist who's not got good enough to get a job with a real paper.[/p][/quote]No Beppe will get himself sacked Bizarre selections to say the least A strong team spirit getting them over the line,not his coaching nous. Don't you get it? The reporters are merely following up on reports of unrest, or do you simply want to hear happy flappy stuff regardless of the truth Great effort from 1881 and all the rookery today[/p][/quote]Got to agree with LD -I appreciate that we won but the result today had far more to do with the determination and spirit of the players on the field than the tactical noise of the man in the dug out - it can be argued that he has engendered this determination of course - but tactically they were killing us 11 v 11 - especially in the middle of the park - and it was only when we had to sit deep and hit them on the break that we started to cope - ironic I know. The fact that it took Beppe 10 minutes to get Hoban on after the red card also smacked of the same impotence that seemingly prevented him changing personnel or shape prior to their second equaliser. Heart, work rate and passion are great, and necessary but will only get us so far - we need a man manager and tactician as well. The players last half hour were fabulous. Thought Tamas was daft for his second yellow but he has been more than decent this season but Ekstrand for Hoban to start was another strange decision for me after he let us down at Norwich and Hoban has not put a foot wrong - other than missing that header vs Leeds. I realise that many will say I am just moaning but I enjoyed the win as much as anyone but this is my take on the game not just the result. Finally at the start of the second half Gomes came up to the family stand and gave some gloves to a fan - lovely touch. peter10531089
  • Score: 6

12:04am Sun 31 Aug 14

jasonwatford says...

4 out of 5 wins.....best start in 7 years.......standing up to school boy footballers saying it's not fair.....Well Tuesday proved none of them deserve to be in this first team squad. I guess we are not top so lets sack him eh ??? tools the lot of you
4 out of 5 wins.....best start in 7 years.......standing up to school boy footballers saying it's not fair.....Well Tuesday proved none of them deserve to be in this first team squad. I guess we are not top so lets sack him eh ??? tools the lot of you jasonwatford
  • Score: 31

12:05am Sun 31 Aug 14

KeithMercer says...

Perfect time now to get the proper manager in place with the international break upon us. Dont dislike Beppe but he was only ever a stop gap solution, which is what he specialises in. You only have to look at his CV to realize this.Just imagine if this were Italy and a club like say Atalanta bought in Warnock or Hollowhead as manager and he couldnt speak a word of Italian,they bought him in just to steady the ship and use his passion and experience to shore the leaky defence up.We are winning games through individual brilliance as apose to solid dominating performances and great team selection. Wake up Watford fans, get real and lets not look back at this season and lament if only we had had a decent proven manager who made the most of the best squad in the Championship. Great win and great support today COYH.
Perfect time now to get the proper manager in place with the international break upon us. Dont dislike Beppe but he was only ever a stop gap solution, which is what he specialises in. You only have to look at his CV to realize this.Just imagine if this were Italy and a club like say Atalanta bought in Warnock or Hollowhead as manager and he couldnt speak a word of Italian,they bought him in just to steady the ship and use his passion and experience to shore the leaky defence up.We are winning games through individual brilliance as apose to solid dominating performances and great team selection. Wake up Watford fans, get real and lets not look back at this season and lament if only we had had a decent proven manager who made the most of the best squad in the Championship. Great win and great support today COYH. KeithMercer
  • Score: -30

1:50am Sun 31 Aug 14

stiffler99 says...

Careful what you wish for!
Careful what you wish for! stiffler99
  • Score: 14

7:32am Sun 31 Aug 14

Roger "Studs" Joslyn says...

DuffmanWFC wrote:
All this tiresome questioning on Beppe's position from the WO is just bo11ocks really!
And to all the so called fans that still want him out because he's no glamour name... P155 off!
Beppe has done well so far and 12 points from 15 is a great start - the Norwich game was over before it began!
All this Beppe out cr4p has been going on since the end of last season when we lost the last 4 games on the bounce! Yep it was disappointing but the season was over well before then and up to that point we had improved under Beppe - the bad run that led to Zola's exit put the nail in the promotion coffin I'm afraid!
Even if we won 3 out of those 4 games and drew 1 we still wouldn't of made the play offs last season!
People seem to forget that fact in their continuous quest to undermine Beppe's position!
Yep we were poor in the cup in midweek but so what? Beppe I believe did the right thing in playing the players that haven't played much to see if they play well as apparently some were upset as they believe they are better then what they really are! We all saw how good they are didn't we? There wasn't one player that really showed Beppe he was wrong as this was a game we could afford to loose and it gave everyone a run out!
Beppe did the right thing in the Doncaster game by keeping the 3-5-2 formation as that's our main set up and it makes sense - however as Hoban played it was probably right long term to put him on the bench today!
Don't forget young Tommy had a bad injury last season and he's only just started playing regular and you don't know how his body is going to react! He's our best defender and we need him to play 35 times or more this season if we are going to achieve promotion!
Angella, Hoban and Tamas is our best 3 centre back pairing in our system and with Ekstrand covering the suspensions and injuries I expect them to all feature lots this season!
And regards the Beppe out brigade as he's apparently lost the dressing room.... That's garbage too!
I and all of us WFC fans shouldn't give a 5hit if the likes of McGuga, Dyer and one or two others are pi55ed off! Reason being so far is that Beppe's got it right and got the results!
The way Dyer and McGugan have behaved recently is childish and embarrassing and if they want out then fine... However I don't see a cue of clubs wanting them so they can't be as good as what they think they are!
Those two need to knuckle down and work hard! Like Beppe said we looked united in that last 20 minutes and previously we would of lost that game but we WON it!
Well done to all of us fans that got behind the lads today and the Vic was buzzing at the end! We did our bit and got behind our team!
So let's get behind them for the rest of this season and we will go up!
We have great owners and a great set of players and a manager who hasn't done anything wrong but everything right so far!
The future looks promising but this continuous rubbish and stirring won't get us anyware! It's counter productive!
So my final message to u all is lets back Beppe as he isn't going to be replaced by the Pozzo's with a 4 wins out if 5 record
100% agree with everything you wrote Duffman. Have you thought of applying for a job at the Watford Observer as you give a much more balanced view of things than certain people already employed by them.
[quote][p][bold]DuffmanWFC[/bold] wrote: All this tiresome questioning on Beppe's position from the WO is just bo11ocks really! And to all the so called fans that still want him out because he's no glamour name... P155 off! Beppe has done well so far and 12 points from 15 is a great start - the Norwich game was over before it began! All this Beppe out cr4p has been going on since the end of last season when we lost the last 4 games on the bounce! Yep it was disappointing but the season was over well before then and up to that point we had improved under Beppe - the bad run that led to Zola's exit put the nail in the promotion coffin I'm afraid! Even if we won 3 out of those 4 games and drew 1 we still wouldn't of made the play offs last season! People seem to forget that fact in their continuous quest to undermine Beppe's position! Yep we were poor in the cup in midweek but so what? Beppe I believe did the right thing in playing the players that haven't played much to see if they play well as apparently some were upset as they believe they are better then what they really are! We all saw how good they are didn't we? There wasn't one player that really showed Beppe he was wrong as this was a game we could afford to loose and it gave everyone a run out! Beppe did the right thing in the Doncaster game by keeping the 3-5-2 formation as that's our main set up and it makes sense - however as Hoban played it was probably right long term to put him on the bench today! Don't forget young Tommy had a bad injury last season and he's only just started playing regular and you don't know how his body is going to react! He's our best defender and we need him to play 35 times or more this season if we are going to achieve promotion! Angella, Hoban and Tamas is our best 3 centre back pairing in our system and with Ekstrand covering the suspensions and injuries I expect them to all feature lots this season! And regards the Beppe out brigade as he's apparently lost the dressing room.... That's garbage too! I and all of us WFC fans shouldn't give a 5hit if the likes of McGuga, Dyer and one or two others are pi55ed off! Reason being so far is that Beppe's got it right and got the results! The way Dyer and McGugan have behaved recently is childish and embarrassing and if they want out then fine... However I don't see a cue of clubs wanting them so they can't be as good as what they think they are! Those two need to knuckle down and work hard! Like Beppe said we looked united in that last 20 minutes and previously we would of lost that game but we WON it! Well done to all of us fans that got behind the lads today and the Vic was buzzing at the end! We did our bit and got behind our team! So let's get behind them for the rest of this season and we will go up! We have great owners and a great set of players and a manager who hasn't done anything wrong but everything right so far! The future looks promising but this continuous rubbish and stirring won't get us anyware! It's counter productive! So my final message to u all is lets back Beppe as he isn't going to be replaced by the Pozzo's with a 4 wins out if 5 record[/p][/quote]100% agree with everything you wrote Duffman. Have you thought of applying for a job at the Watford Observer as you give a much more balanced view of things than certain people already employed by them. Roger "Studs" Joslyn
  • Score: 18

7:34am Sun 31 Aug 14

rickmansworth_robert says...

llloydwithathirdl wrote:
rickmansworth_robert wrote:
The sooner he is gone the better:

Still hasn't learnt english to a high enough standard.

Changed the formation 3 times on Tuesday. Clueless.

Didn't start Hoban today for no reason - played Ekstrand and Tamas as a wide centre back.

Players don't like him - his position is not tenable in the long run. Like Di Canio, won't be able to sustain results over the season.

I imagine the Pozzos have been discussing replacements and with the international break will shortly wield the axe.

Maybe he can get a job at the Watford hospital.
Did you watch today's game? We were fantastic. He picked the right team, played the right tactics, made the right subs at the right time. He showed passion on the touchline, and we won three hard earned points.

If you can't enjoy that you should probably stop watching football.
I was at the game and enjoyed it a lot - very exciting. However, we should have beaten that team 4-0 and avoided all that stress at the end. When you take all the emotion out of the last half an hour and analyse it rationally, we were very lucky to walk away with 3 points. There is no way we should have let them into the game. When Tamas was sent off (who shouldn't have even been playing in a wide centre back position in the first place) we should have been at least 2 goals clear. The amount of opportunties they had when Tamas got sent off also shows how lucky we were.

Yes it was a great game to watch and the Rookery was buzzing towards the end. Has been a long time since the crowd has been so integral to a match. But if you look at the facts rather than emotions, there are a lot of negatives that lie on Sannino.

Furthermore, with all this speculation (which is not just a WO conspiracy as some deluded fans argue) do you really want a manager in that position? A manager you always feel is 2 bad games from the sack (similair to Allardyce's precarious position at West Ham. It would be much better to get a manager everyone trusts that we know can be there in the long-term. Sannino is like Di Canio - his teqnique may work in the short-term but as he starts to upset more and more people the club will gradually deteriorate.

As for all those that are complaning about Frank for reporting this, he is just doing his job and not making this stuff up himself. If you don't agree with anything i have said and think Sannino should stay then that's one thing, but there is no secret WO agenda to sack Sannino.
[quote][p][bold]llloydwithathirdl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rickmansworth_robert[/bold] wrote: The sooner he is gone the better: Still hasn't learnt english to a high enough standard. Changed the formation 3 times on Tuesday. Clueless. Didn't start Hoban today for no reason - played Ekstrand and Tamas as a wide centre back. Players don't like him - his position is not tenable in the long run. Like Di Canio, won't be able to sustain results over the season. I imagine the Pozzos have been discussing replacements and with the international break will shortly wield the axe. Maybe he can get a job at the Watford hospital.[/p][/quote]Did you watch today's game? We were fantastic. He picked the right team, played the right tactics, made the right subs at the right time. He showed passion on the touchline, and we won three hard earned points. If you can't enjoy that you should probably stop watching football.[/p][/quote]I was at the game and enjoyed it a lot - very exciting. However, we should have beaten that team 4-0 and avoided all that stress at the end. When you take all the emotion out of the last half an hour and analyse it rationally, we were very lucky to walk away with 3 points. There is no way we should have let them into the game. When Tamas was sent off (who shouldn't have even been playing in a wide centre back position in the first place) we should have been at least 2 goals clear. The amount of opportunties they had when Tamas got sent off also shows how lucky we were. Yes it was a great game to watch and the Rookery was buzzing towards the end. Has been a long time since the crowd has been so integral to a match. But if you look at the facts rather than emotions, there are a lot of negatives that lie on Sannino. Furthermore, with all this speculation (which is not just a WO conspiracy as some deluded fans argue) do you really want a manager in that position? A manager you always feel is 2 bad games from the sack (similair to Allardyce's precarious position at West Ham. It would be much better to get a manager everyone trusts that we know can be there in the long-term. Sannino is like Di Canio - his teqnique may work in the short-term but as he starts to upset more and more people the club will gradually deteriorate. As for all those that are complaning about Frank for reporting this, he is just doing his job and not making this stuff up himself. If you don't agree with anything i have said and think Sannino should stay then that's one thing, but there is no secret WO agenda to sack Sannino. rickmansworth_robert
  • Score: 2

8:30am Sun 31 Aug 14

parkhouse hornet says...

I seriously cannot believe that anyone wanting BS out at the moment is a genuine Watford fan. FFS! What more can the bloke do? Is he perfect? No. Does he make mistakes? Yes. But he is managing a team of quality players with a focus and passion we should be proud of.
With the owners, manager and squad that we currently have, we should be pinching ourselves. Some people have very short memories; anyone want Petchey or Bankrupt Bas back? Some of them would probably be happy as their desire to constantly moan and winge would be satisfied!!
If you can't support the team and club at this moment in time, there really is no hope!!
I seriously cannot believe that anyone wanting BS out at the moment is a genuine Watford fan. FFS! What more can the bloke do? Is he perfect? No. Does he make mistakes? Yes. But he is managing a team of quality players with a focus and passion we should be proud of. With the owners, manager and squad that we currently have, we should be pinching ourselves. Some people have very short memories; anyone want Petchey or Bankrupt Bas back? Some of them would probably be happy as their desire to constantly moan and winge would be satisfied!! If you can't support the team and club at this moment in time, there really is no hope!! parkhouse hornet
  • Score: 22

8:42am Sun 31 Aug 14

b.kelso says...

English is one of the hardest languages to learn in the world....the boy is doing ok....leave him be for now.....! Yellows!
English is one of the hardest languages to learn in the world....the boy is doing ok....leave him be for now.....! Yellows! b.kelso
  • Score: 21

8:50am Sun 31 Aug 14

DCB1 says...

Just out of interest, who exactly do the "Beppe Out" brigade want to take his place? They keep banging on about an experienced manager who knows the Championship and speaks perfect English. Fine, but can you name one that is available, would fit into our wage structure and be happy to work under a director of football, having little control over signings? If not, how about you get behind the bloke who has us second in the league?
Just out of interest, who exactly do the "Beppe Out" brigade want to take his place? They keep banging on about an experienced manager who knows the Championship and speaks perfect English. Fine, but can you name one that is available, would fit into our wage structure and be happy to work under a director of football, having little control over signings? If not, how about you get behind the bloke who has us second in the league? DCB1
  • Score: 20

9:03am Sun 31 Aug 14

lincoln horn says...

Football is very predictable, sounds unscientific but when you get hints from the media and player unrest,it will always end in a manager leaving, that's my feeling, regardless of Watfords league position. Zaha back at palace, Holloway signing a Watford player on loan, who could have possibly predicted such things?
Football is very predictable, sounds unscientific but when you get hints from the media and player unrest,it will always end in a manager leaving, that's my feeling, regardless of Watfords league position. Zaha back at palace, Holloway signing a Watford player on loan, who could have possibly predicted such things? lincoln horn
  • Score: -4

9:07am Sun 31 Aug 14

neilhorn says...

DCB1 wrote:
Just out of interest, who exactly do the "Beppe Out" brigade want to take his place? They keep banging on about an experienced manager who knows the Championship and speaks perfect English. Fine, but can you name one that is available, would fit into our wage structure and be happy to work under a director of football, having little control over signings? If not, how about you get behind the bloke who has us second in the league?
not to mention we are bang in the middle of the season, so anyone decent is already in a job. The Pozzos would have got rid of Sannino 5 mins after the final whistle at QPR last season if they where going to, they are hardly going to do it now with us in an automatic spot and top scorers in the whole country
[quote][p][bold]DCB1[/bold] wrote: Just out of interest, who exactly do the "Beppe Out" brigade want to take his place? They keep banging on about an experienced manager who knows the Championship and speaks perfect English. Fine, but can you name one that is available, would fit into our wage structure and be happy to work under a director of football, having little control over signings? If not, how about you get behind the bloke who has us second in the league?[/p][/quote]not to mention we are bang in the middle of the season, so anyone decent is already in a job. The Pozzos would have got rid of Sannino 5 mins after the final whistle at QPR last season if they where going to, they are hardly going to do it now with us in an automatic spot and top scorers in the whole country neilhorn
  • Score: 8

9:10am Sun 31 Aug 14

neilhorn says...

And by the way, if Dyer or anyone else isn't happy because things are not done to their exact own personal taste at Watford, they know where the door is
And by the way, if Dyer or anyone else isn't happy because things are not done to their exact own personal taste at Watford, they know where the door is neilhorn
  • Score: 21

9:19am Sun 31 Aug 14

charliefarmery says...

peter10531089 wrote:
lutondown wrote:
scottwfc wrote:
For fecks sake Smith, let go, grow up and move on. Accept that you aren't going to get Beppe sacked. I don't care if some of the players don't like him, I didn't like many of the people I've worked for over the years, and I expect there's precious few in your office who like you.

Results are what matter to the Pozzo's, not the biased opinions of a provincial journalist who's not got good enough to get a job with a real paper.
No Beppe will get himself sacked
Bizarre selections to say the least
A strong team spirit getting them over the line,not his coaching nous.
Don't you get it? The reporters are merely following up on reports of unrest, or do you simply want to hear happy flappy stuff regardless of the truth
Great effort from 1881 and all the rookery today
Got to agree with LD -I appreciate that we won but the result today had far more to do with the determination and spirit of the players on the field than the tactical noise of the man in the dug out - it can be argued that he has engendered this determination of course - but tactically they were killing us 11 v 11 - especially in the middle of the park - and it was only when we had to sit deep and hit them on the break that we started to cope - ironic I know. The fact that it took Beppe 10 minutes to get Hoban on after the red card also smacked of the same impotence that seemingly prevented him changing personnel or shape prior to their second equaliser. Heart, work rate and passion are great, and necessary but will only get us so far - we need a man manager and tactician as well. The players last half hour were fabulous. Thought Tamas was daft for his second yellow but he has been more than decent this season but Ekstrand for Hoban to start was another strange decision for me after he let us down at Norwich and Hoban has not put a foot wrong - other than missing that header vs Leeds. I realise that many will say I am just moaning but I enjoyed the win as much as anyone but this is my take on the game not just the result.
Finally at the start of the second half Gomes came up to the family stand and gave some gloves to a fan - lovely touch.
I totally agree. I loved yesterday's game but we're kidding ourselves if we think BS didn't make a number of poor decisions. We were very lucky Huddersfield didn't score in the 10 mins after Tamas was sent off. Why BS waited so long to bring Hoban on heaven only knows. And why he left Hoban out and and played Tamas on the right of the three and Ekstrand in the middle was also a poor decision in my view.
[quote][p][bold]peter10531089[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lutondown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scottwfc[/bold] wrote: For fecks sake Smith, let go, grow up and move on. Accept that you aren't going to get Beppe sacked. I don't care if some of the players don't like him, I didn't like many of the people I've worked for over the years, and I expect there's precious few in your office who like you. Results are what matter to the Pozzo's, not the biased opinions of a provincial journalist who's not got good enough to get a job with a real paper.[/p][/quote]No Beppe will get himself sacked Bizarre selections to say the least A strong team spirit getting them over the line,not his coaching nous. Don't you get it? The reporters are merely following up on reports of unrest, or do you simply want to hear happy flappy stuff regardless of the truth Great effort from 1881 and all the rookery today[/p][/quote]Got to agree with LD -I appreciate that we won but the result today had far more to do with the determination and spirit of the players on the field than the tactical noise of the man in the dug out - it can be argued that he has engendered this determination of course - but tactically they were killing us 11 v 11 - especially in the middle of the park - and it was only when we had to sit deep and hit them on the break that we started to cope - ironic I know. The fact that it took Beppe 10 minutes to get Hoban on after the red card also smacked of the same impotence that seemingly prevented him changing personnel or shape prior to their second equaliser. Heart, work rate and passion are great, and necessary but will only get us so far - we need a man manager and tactician as well. The players last half hour were fabulous. Thought Tamas was daft for his second yellow but he has been more than decent this season but Ekstrand for Hoban to start was another strange decision for me after he let us down at Norwich and Hoban has not put a foot wrong - other than missing that header vs Leeds. I realise that many will say I am just moaning but I enjoyed the win as much as anyone but this is my take on the game not just the result. Finally at the start of the second half Gomes came up to the family stand and gave some gloves to a fan - lovely touch.[/p][/quote]I totally agree. I loved yesterday's game but we're kidding ourselves if we think BS didn't make a number of poor decisions. We were very lucky Huddersfield didn't score in the 10 mins after Tamas was sent off. Why BS waited so long to bring Hoban on heaven only knows. And why he left Hoban out and and played Tamas on the right of the three and Ekstrand in the middle was also a poor decision in my view. charliefarmery
  • Score: -12

9:28am Sun 31 Aug 14

Guy Bov says...

buckler wrote:
Monday can't wait..
Are you going to a apologise if nothing happens on Monday?
[quote][p][bold]buckler[/bold] wrote: Monday can't wait..[/p][/quote]Are you going to a apologise if nothing happens on Monday? Guy Bov
  • Score: 18

9:40am Sun 31 Aug 14

Hornets number 12 fan says...

Fair play to him he is producing the results at the moment so should be left alone to get on with it. Not a fan of his but as I said the added pressure from the rumour mill is not helpful to the Hornets cause.
Fair play to him he is producing the results at the moment so should be left alone to get on with it. Not a fan of his but as I said the added pressure from the rumour mill is not helpful to the Hornets cause. Hornets number 12 fan
  • Score: 12

9:55am Sun 31 Aug 14

Billie says...

I suspect there are issues about the manager, but maybe it is time for the WO to let the Pozzos manage our club with dignity. They deserve this surely. I know I was probably a bore supporting Kevin A but that was a very different scenario, as we were all being misled and the manager was an oaf...ring fenced stand etc. The WO (Kevin) then performed a service, exposing the truth where we were being misled. Yes, Frank is doing his job, but time to back off on this one. I know I was also a bore ridiculing vOr, but it was fun and so easy...irresistible. I rather miss the clown.
I suspect there are issues about the manager, but maybe it is time for the WO to let the Pozzos manage our club with dignity. They deserve this surely. I know I was probably a bore supporting Kevin A but that was a very different scenario, as we were all being misled and the manager was an oaf...ring fenced stand etc. The WO (Kevin) then performed a service, exposing the truth where we were being misled. Yes, Frank is doing his job, but time to back off on this one. I know I was also a bore ridiculing vOr, but it was fun and so easy...irresistible. I rather miss the clown. Billie
  • Score: 5

10:10am Sun 31 Aug 14

Stoney77 says...

rickmansworth_robert wrote:
llloydwithathirdl wrote:
rickmansworth_robert wrote:
The sooner he is gone the better:

Still hasn't learnt english to a high enough standard.

Changed the formation 3 times on Tuesday. Clueless.

Didn't start Hoban today for no reason - played Ekstrand and Tamas as a wide centre back.

Players don't like him - his position is not tenable in the long run. Like Di Canio, won't be able to sustain results over the season.

I imagine the Pozzos have been discussing replacements and with the international break will shortly wield the axe.

Maybe he can get a job at the Watford hospital.
Did you watch today's game? We were fantastic. He picked the right team, played the right tactics, made the right subs at the right time. He showed passion on the touchline, and we won three hard earned points.

If you can't enjoy that you should probably stop watching football.
I was at the game and enjoyed it a lot - very exciting. However, we should have beaten that team 4-0 and avoided all that stress at the end. When you take all the emotion out of the last half an hour and analyse it rationally, we were very lucky to walk away with 3 points. There is no way we should have let them into the game. When Tamas was sent off (who shouldn't have even been playing in a wide centre back position in the first place) we should have been at least 2 goals clear. The amount of opportunties they had when Tamas got sent off also shows how lucky we were.

Yes it was a great game to watch and the Rookery was buzzing towards the end. Has been a long time since the crowd has been so integral to a match. But if you look at the facts rather than emotions, there are a lot of negatives that lie on Sannino.

Furthermore, with all this speculation (which is not just a WO conspiracy as some deluded fans argue) do you really want a manager in that position? A manager you always feel is 2 bad games from the sack (similair to Allardyce's precarious position at West Ham. It would be much better to get a manager everyone trusts that we know can be there in the long-term. Sannino is like Di Canio - his teqnique may work in the short-term but as he starts to upset more and more people the club will gradually deteriorate.

As for all those that are complaning about Frank for reporting this, he is just doing his job and not making this stuff up himself. If you don't agree with anything i have said and think Sannino should stay then that's one thing, but there is no secret WO agenda to sack Sannino.
It seems to me that the supporters who have the opinion that Sannino is not the man will nitpick to try and find every and any possible flaw within game to bring his management skills/coaching skills/tactical nous into doubt. It also seems that he can do no right in some peoples eyes.

We lack passion on Tuesday and Sannino gets accused of being unable to motivate his players. Yet we show heart, passion, motivation and desire yesterday and the players alone get congratulated for the display, and to rub salt in the wounds it seems the tactics from the manager were still wrong.

The manager makes substitutions which see us go on to win the game against Rotherham and yesterday, yet seems to not get any credit for it, and attention is drawn to the fact that a sub was made 5 minutes too late.

We win ugly and by playing with grit and determination (Rotherham and yesterday) but it seems that Sannino has 'got lucky'.

We should have been 4-0 up at half time but somehow this is the managers fault, not the fact that poor finishing let us down. Surely, If we 'should' be 4-0 up but aren't, then credit must be given to the manager for instilling the tactics to get the team to create the chances - not his fault the players aren't taking the chances

It just seems to me that he cannot win. Yes Anya has not been great and was not great yesterday and Ekstrand over Hoban was clearly not a popular choice but fans calling for managers head because they don't agree with 2 positions is a bit OTT. Hoban by the way had a terrible last 20 mins against Rotherham, had just played 2 games in 3 days, is very young and not too long since coming back from a lengthy injury. A reason or two why he was replaced yesterday - It's not simply a black and white situation - many factors affect selection and we are not at the training ground week in week out to see who is knackered, who has a niggly injury etc etc

Having said all of the above, I'm sure there are things that the 'Pro-Sannino' clan are nitpicking out in order to defend the man. It does work both ways of course but whilst we have had a good start maybe we should give the man the benefit of the doubt.

With regards to the above quoted post, specifically about the club 'deteriorating'; come on fella do me a favour. Slightly dramatic. If Sannino was that bad do you think Deeney would be staying?

Also you are in some kind of dreamland asking for a manager who 'we can all trust to know he will be here in the long term'. How will that work when we have fans asking for a manager to be sacked every time we hit a sticky patch??? At the beginning of Dyches career people wanted him sacked, Zola wasn't good enough, and now Beppe isn't good enough despite having the best start to a season for a decade.

Yes we have not been tested yet this year, yes our defence is a little suspect. Yes we have not been perfect, but we have made a good start and have won games that we would have drawn/lost in recent years.
Beppe seems like a ridiculously passionate man who values hard work, determination, a never say die attitude and the will to roll your sleeves up, grit your teeth and grind out a result (something we did not have under Zola) and if he can convey that to the talented set of players we have then we will be in with a great chance of getting promoted. Yesterday was a sign that perhaps his message is getting across.

Essay done. COYH.
(Still buzzing from yesterday)
[quote][p][bold]rickmansworth_robert[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]llloydwithathirdl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rickmansworth_robert[/bold] wrote: The sooner he is gone the better: Still hasn't learnt english to a high enough standard. Changed the formation 3 times on Tuesday. Clueless. Didn't start Hoban today for no reason - played Ekstrand and Tamas as a wide centre back. Players don't like him - his position is not tenable in the long run. Like Di Canio, won't be able to sustain results over the season. I imagine the Pozzos have been discussing replacements and with the international break will shortly wield the axe. Maybe he can get a job at the Watford hospital.[/p][/quote]Did you watch today's game? We were fantastic. He picked the right team, played the right tactics, made the right subs at the right time. He showed passion on the touchline, and we won three hard earned points. If you can't enjoy that you should probably stop watching football.[/p][/quote]I was at the game and enjoyed it a lot - very exciting. However, we should have beaten that team 4-0 and avoided all that stress at the end. When you take all the emotion out of the last half an hour and analyse it rationally, we were very lucky to walk away with 3 points. There is no way we should have let them into the game. When Tamas was sent off (who shouldn't have even been playing in a wide centre back position in the first place) we should have been at least 2 goals clear. The amount of opportunties they had when Tamas got sent off also shows how lucky we were. Yes it was a great game to watch and the Rookery was buzzing towards the end. Has been a long time since the crowd has been so integral to a match. But if you look at the facts rather than emotions, there are a lot of negatives that lie on Sannino. Furthermore, with all this speculation (which is not just a WO conspiracy as some deluded fans argue) do you really want a manager in that position? A manager you always feel is 2 bad games from the sack (similair to Allardyce's precarious position at West Ham. It would be much better to get a manager everyone trusts that we know can be there in the long-term. Sannino is like Di Canio - his teqnique may work in the short-term but as he starts to upset more and more people the club will gradually deteriorate. As for all those that are complaning about Frank for reporting this, he is just doing his job and not making this stuff up himself. If you don't agree with anything i have said and think Sannino should stay then that's one thing, but there is no secret WO agenda to sack Sannino.[/p][/quote]It seems to me that the supporters who have the opinion that Sannino is not the man will nitpick to try and find every and any possible flaw within game to bring his management skills/coaching skills/tactical nous into doubt. It also seems that he can do no right in some peoples eyes. We lack passion on Tuesday and Sannino gets accused of being unable to motivate his players. Yet we show heart, passion, motivation and desire yesterday and the players alone get congratulated for the display, and to rub salt in the wounds it seems the tactics from the manager were still wrong. The manager makes substitutions which see us go on to win the game against Rotherham and yesterday, yet seems to not get any credit for it, and attention is drawn to the fact that a sub was made 5 minutes too late. We win ugly and by playing with grit and determination (Rotherham and yesterday) but it seems that Sannino has 'got lucky'. We should have been 4-0 up at half time but somehow this is the managers fault, not the fact that poor finishing let us down. Surely, If we 'should' be 4-0 up but aren't, then credit must be given to the manager for instilling the tactics to get the team to create the chances - not his fault the players aren't taking the chances It just seems to me that he cannot win. Yes Anya has not been great and was not great yesterday and Ekstrand over Hoban was clearly not a popular choice but fans calling for managers head because they don't agree with 2 positions is a bit OTT. Hoban by the way had a terrible last 20 mins against Rotherham, had just played 2 games in 3 days, is very young and not too long since coming back from a lengthy injury. A reason or two why he was replaced yesterday - It's not simply a black and white situation - many factors affect selection and we are not at the training ground week in week out to see who is knackered, who has a niggly injury etc etc Having said all of the above, I'm sure there are things that the 'Pro-Sannino' clan are nitpicking out in order to defend the man. It does work both ways of course but whilst we have had a good start maybe we should give the man the benefit of the doubt. With regards to the above quoted post, specifically about the club 'deteriorating'; come on fella do me a favour. Slightly dramatic. If Sannino was that bad do you think Deeney would be staying? Also you are in some kind of dreamland asking for a manager who 'we can all trust to know he will be here in the long term'. How will that work when we have fans asking for a manager to be sacked every time we hit a sticky patch??? At the beginning of Dyches career people wanted him sacked, Zola wasn't good enough, and now Beppe isn't good enough despite having the best start to a season for a decade. Yes we have not been tested yet this year, yes our defence is a little suspect. Yes we have not been perfect, but we have made a good start and have won games that we would have drawn/lost in recent years. Beppe seems like a ridiculously passionate man who values hard work, determination, a never say die attitude and the will to roll your sleeves up, grit your teeth and grind out a result (something we did not have under Zola) and if he can convey that to the talented set of players we have then we will be in with a great chance of getting promoted. Yesterday was a sign that perhaps his message is getting across. Essay done. COYH. (Still buzzing from yesterday) Stoney77
  • Score: 24

10:18am Sun 31 Aug 14

KeithMercer says...

neilhorn wrote:
DCB1 wrote:
Just out of interest, who exactly do the "Beppe Out" brigade want to take his place? They keep banging on about an experienced manager who knows the Championship and speaks perfect English. Fine, but can you name one that is available, would fit into our wage structure and be happy to work under a director of football, having little control over signings? If not, how about you get behind the bloke who has us second in the league?
not to mention we are bang in the middle of the season, so anyone decent is already in a job. The Pozzos would have got rid of Sannino 5 mins after the final whistle at QPR last season if they where going to, they are hardly going to do it now with us in an automatic spot and top scorers in the whole country
Is that right ! Okay then.
[quote][p][bold]neilhorn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DCB1[/bold] wrote: Just out of interest, who exactly do the "Beppe Out" brigade want to take his place? They keep banging on about an experienced manager who knows the Championship and speaks perfect English. Fine, but can you name one that is available, would fit into our wage structure and be happy to work under a director of football, having little control over signings? If not, how about you get behind the bloke who has us second in the league?[/p][/quote]not to mention we are bang in the middle of the season, so anyone decent is already in a job. The Pozzos would have got rid of Sannino 5 mins after the final whistle at QPR last season if they where going to, they are hardly going to do it now with us in an automatic spot and top scorers in the whole country[/p][/quote]Is that right ! Okay then. KeithMercer
  • Score: -2

10:20am Sun 31 Aug 14

A Capello says...

We'll if the national paper today (Sunday) was the Observer then it looked like lazy reporting of stuff from here or the web. Certainly didn't appear to have any one at the Vic for a first hand view.

You may wish for change Mr Smith but the one man crusade is getting tiresome. Are you under pressure to generate advertising revenue via website hits? If so it could be time to move on since it seems to be compromising your work.

Who would you wish for? Almost certainly there would be an Italian connection to allow good communication with the owners - who can blame them for that given their investment? This person then has the unenviable task of man-managing a group of very well paid youngsters who have spent their working careers being told how good they are.

On the language thing, and I've said this before, Beppe can learn English in his own good time (and seems to be making a good job of it given that he has to hold down the day job and have folk like you on his back) but why not have those players that have only one language in the dressing room learn a little Italien; surely the vocabulary would need only be limited for footballing purposes?

You have clearly polarised the audience on here, I'm hoping the silent majority are with Beppe and common sense prevails.

Let's have some balance please.
We'll if the national paper today (Sunday) was the Observer then it looked like lazy reporting of stuff from here or the web. Certainly didn't appear to have any one at the Vic for a first hand view. You may wish for change Mr Smith but the one man crusade is getting tiresome. Are you under pressure to generate advertising revenue via website hits? If so it could be time to move on since it seems to be compromising your work. Who would you wish for? Almost certainly there would be an Italian connection to allow good communication with the owners - who can blame them for that given their investment? This person then has the unenviable task of man-managing a group of very well paid youngsters who have spent their working careers being told how good they are. On the language thing, and I've said this before, Beppe can learn English in his own good time (and seems to be making a good job of it given that he has to hold down the day job and have folk like you on his back) but why not have those players that have only one language in the dressing room learn a little Italien; surely the vocabulary would need only be limited for footballing purposes? You have clearly polarised the audience on here, I'm hoping the silent majority are with Beppe and common sense prevails. Let's have some balance please. A Capello
  • Score: 12

10:21am Sun 31 Aug 14

corbindallas says...

I really do not get this ultra pro Beppe stance, I have never settled for second best in anything and am sure as hell not going to now. Do these positive pressers look at stats? Do you really thing this all revolves around Dyer and McGugan? Do you attend the games and think after that was a comfortable win? Apart from Bolton we have fought and or been lucky for the wins, we have yet to be really challenged by the better teams apart from Norwich so far and yet by above the majority seem to be happy with things as is??? We have the most talented squad on paper for years and that still does not make comfortable football. So far I have not thought once this will be a sure win for us, and as said this is against teams who are not expected to be in for a chance at the end of the season. Those sla gging Dyer off have to ask themselves what more he can do to get in the squad than score 3 goals, if this is a personality clash then the coach should raise above it, behind the scenes fines have been dished out but it appears issues are left to fester and not moving on and forward and upwards for the great of the club, that is why Beppe is in trouble ánd why the people in charge are not happy and why Frank has a story to run with which is now gaining in the wider press. It appears our coach thinks his personality is bigger and better than anything else, you can see this even in his post match, I saw my face on the pitch wtf does that mean. Beppe has the chance to change things but it appears he does not want to add to that some strange choices means only one outcome and the sooner the better so we can move forward, aside all this had an interesting chat with a former club employee who said the club are actually looking at Zola coming back and they are not happy that players brought in under some assurances are not being respected, wonder if this is what Frank has been told also?!
I really do not get this ultra pro Beppe stance, I have never settled for second best in anything and am sure as hell not going to now. Do these positive pressers look at stats? Do you really thing this all revolves around Dyer and McGugan? Do you attend the games and think after that was a comfortable win? Apart from Bolton we have fought and or been lucky for the wins, we have yet to be really challenged by the better teams apart from Norwich so far and yet by above the majority seem to be happy with things as is??? We have the most talented squad on paper for years and that still does not make comfortable football. So far I have not thought once this will be a sure win for us, and as said this is against teams who are not expected to be in for a chance at the end of the season. Those sla gging Dyer off have to ask themselves what more he can do to get in the squad than score 3 goals, if this is a personality clash then the coach should raise above it, behind the scenes fines have been dished out but it appears issues are left to fester and not moving on and forward and upwards for the great of the club, that is why Beppe is in trouble ánd why the people in charge are not happy and why Frank has a story to run with which is now gaining in the wider press. It appears our coach thinks his personality is bigger and better than anything else, you can see this even in his post match, I saw my face on the pitch wtf does that mean. Beppe has the chance to change things but it appears he does not want to add to that some strange choices means only one outcome and the sooner the better so we can move forward, aside all this had an interesting chat with a former club employee who said the club are actually looking at Zola coming back and they are not happy that players brought in under some assurances are not being respected, wonder if this is what Frank has been told also?! corbindallas
  • Score: -2

10:30am Sun 31 Aug 14

KeithMercer says...

Stoney77 wrote:
rickmansworth_robert wrote:
llloydwithathirdl wrote:
rickmansworth_robert wrote:
The sooner he is gone the better:

Still hasn't learnt english to a high enough standard.

Changed the formation 3 times on Tuesday. Clueless.

Didn't start Hoban today for no reason - played Ekstrand and Tamas as a wide centre back.

Players don't like him - his position is not tenable in the long run. Like Di Canio, won't be able to sustain results over the season.

I imagine the Pozzos have been discussing replacements and with the international break will shortly wield the axe.

Maybe he can get a job at the Watford hospital.
Did you watch today's game? We were fantastic. He picked the right team, played the right tactics, made the right subs at the right time. He showed passion on the touchline, and we won three hard earned points.

If you can't enjoy that you should probably stop watching football.
I was at the game and enjoyed it a lot - very exciting. However, we should have beaten that team 4-0 and avoided all that stress at the end. When you take all the emotion out of the last half an hour and analyse it rationally, we were very lucky to walk away with 3 points. There is no way we should have let them into the game. When Tamas was sent off (who shouldn't have even been playing in a wide centre back position in the first place) we should have been at least 2 goals clear. The amount of opportunties they had when Tamas got sent off also shows how lucky we were.

Yes it was a great game to watch and the Rookery was buzzing towards the end. Has been a long time since the crowd has been so integral to a match. But if you look at the facts rather than emotions, there are a lot of negatives that lie on Sannino.

Furthermore, with all this speculation (which is not just a WO conspiracy as some deluded fans argue) do you really want a manager in that position? A manager you always feel is 2 bad games from the sack (similair to Allardyce's precarious position at West Ham. It would be much better to get a manager everyone trusts that we know can be there in the long-term. Sannino is like Di Canio - his teqnique may work in the short-term but as he starts to upset more and more people the club will gradually deteriorate.

As for all those that are complaning about Frank for reporting this, he is just doing his job and not making this stuff up himself. If you don't agree with anything i have said and think Sannino should stay then that's one thing, but there is no secret WO agenda to sack Sannino.
It seems to me that the supporters who have the opinion that Sannino is not the man will nitpick to try and find every and any possible flaw within game to bring his management skills/coaching skills/tactical nous into doubt. It also seems that he can do no right in some peoples eyes.

We lack passion on Tuesday and Sannino gets accused of being unable to motivate his players. Yet we show heart, passion, motivation and desire yesterday and the players alone get congratulated for the display, and to rub salt in the wounds it seems the tactics from the manager were still wrong.

The manager makes substitutions which see us go on to win the game against Rotherham and yesterday, yet seems to not get any credit for it, and attention is drawn to the fact that a sub was made 5 minutes too late.

We win ugly and by playing with grit and determination (Rotherham and yesterday) but it seems that Sannino has 'got lucky'.

We should have been 4-0 up at half time but somehow this is the managers fault, not the fact that poor finishing let us down. Surely, If we 'should' be 4-0 up but aren't, then credit must be given to the manager for instilling the tactics to get the team to create the chances - not his fault the players aren't taking the chances

It just seems to me that he cannot win. Yes Anya has not been great and was not great yesterday and Ekstrand over Hoban was clearly not a popular choice but fans calling for managers head because they don't agree with 2 positions is a bit OTT. Hoban by the way had a terrible last 20 mins against Rotherham, had just played 2 games in 3 days, is very young and not too long since coming back from a lengthy injury. A reason or two why he was replaced yesterday - It's not simply a black and white situation - many factors affect selection and we are not at the training ground week in week out to see who is knackered, who has a niggly injury etc etc

Having said all of the above, I'm sure there are things that the 'Pro-Sannino' clan are nitpicking out in order to defend the man. It does work both ways of course but whilst we have had a good start maybe we should give the man the benefit of the doubt.

With regards to the above quoted post, specifically about the club 'deteriorating'; come on fella do me a favour. Slightly dramatic. If Sannino was that bad do you think Deeney would be staying?

Also you are in some kind of dreamland asking for a manager who 'we can all trust to know he will be here in the long term'. How will that work when we have fans asking for a manager to be sacked every time we hit a sticky patch??? At the beginning of Dyches career people wanted him sacked, Zola wasn't good enough, and now Beppe isn't good enough despite having the best start to a season for a decade.

Yes we have not been tested yet this year, yes our defence is a little suspect. Yes we have not been perfect, but we have made a good start and have won games that we would have drawn/lost in recent years.
Beppe seems like a ridiculously passionate man who values hard work, determination, a never say die attitude and the will to roll your sleeves up, grit your teeth and grind out a result (something we did not have under Zola) and if he can convey that to the talented set of players we have then we will be in with a great chance of getting promoted. Yesterday was a sign that perhaps his message is getting across.

Essay done. COYH.
(Still buzzing from yesterday)
Good post Stoney, Cant agree with a lot of it but you put your case over well.I am sure all of the Beppe detractors are 100% behind the Horns once on the pitch and delighted with our league position. But its good to have forums like this where we can voice our uncertainties and displeasures at certain goings on at the club. Obviously we cant all agree on everything, but as long as we respect everyones opinion and their right to voice them, and our common cause to get behind the lads on match day then all is good.
Only time will tell who was right and who was wrong ! but lets get out of this league whatever.
[quote][p][bold]Stoney77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rickmansworth_robert[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]llloydwithathirdl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rickmansworth_robert[/bold] wrote: The sooner he is gone the better: Still hasn't learnt english to a high enough standard. Changed the formation 3 times on Tuesday. Clueless. Didn't start Hoban today for no reason - played Ekstrand and Tamas as a wide centre back. Players don't like him - his position is not tenable in the long run. Like Di Canio, won't be able to sustain results over the season. I imagine the Pozzos have been discussing replacements and with the international break will shortly wield the axe. Maybe he can get a job at the Watford hospital.[/p][/quote]Did you watch today's game? We were fantastic. He picked the right team, played the right tactics, made the right subs at the right time. He showed passion on the touchline, and we won three hard earned points. If you can't enjoy that you should probably stop watching football.[/p][/quote]I was at the game and enjoyed it a lot - very exciting. However, we should have beaten that team 4-0 and avoided all that stress at the end. When you take all the emotion out of the last half an hour and analyse it rationally, we were very lucky to walk away with 3 points. There is no way we should have let them into the game. When Tamas was sent off (who shouldn't have even been playing in a wide centre back position in the first place) we should have been at least 2 goals clear. The amount of opportunties they had when Tamas got sent off also shows how lucky we were. Yes it was a great game to watch and the Rookery was buzzing towards the end. Has been a long time since the crowd has been so integral to a match. But if you look at the facts rather than emotions, there are a lot of negatives that lie on Sannino. Furthermore, with all this speculation (which is not just a WO conspiracy as some deluded fans argue) do you really want a manager in that position? A manager you always feel is 2 bad games from the sack (similair to Allardyce's precarious position at West Ham. It would be much better to get a manager everyone trusts that we know can be there in the long-term. Sannino is like Di Canio - his teqnique may work in the short-term but as he starts to upset more and more people the club will gradually deteriorate. As for all those that are complaning about Frank for reporting this, he is just doing his job and not making this stuff up himself. If you don't agree with anything i have said and think Sannino should stay then that's one thing, but there is no secret WO agenda to sack Sannino.[/p][/quote]It seems to me that the supporters who have the opinion that Sannino is not the man will nitpick to try and find every and any possible flaw within game to bring his management skills/coaching skills/tactical nous into doubt. It also seems that he can do no right in some peoples eyes. We lack passion on Tuesday and Sannino gets accused of being unable to motivate his players. Yet we show heart, passion, motivation and desire yesterday and the players alone get congratulated for the display, and to rub salt in the wounds it seems the tactics from the manager were still wrong. The manager makes substitutions which see us go on to win the game against Rotherham and yesterday, yet seems to not get any credit for it, and attention is drawn to the fact that a sub was made 5 minutes too late. We win ugly and by playing with grit and determination (Rotherham and yesterday) but it seems that Sannino has 'got lucky'. We should have been 4-0 up at half time but somehow this is the managers fault, not the fact that poor finishing let us down. Surely, If we 'should' be 4-0 up but aren't, then credit must be given to the manager for instilling the tactics to get the team to create the chances - not his fault the players aren't taking the chances It just seems to me that he cannot win. Yes Anya has not been great and was not great yesterday and Ekstrand over Hoban was clearly not a popular choice but fans calling for managers head because they don't agree with 2 positions is a bit OTT. Hoban by the way had a terrible last 20 mins against Rotherham, had just played 2 games in 3 days, is very young and not too long since coming back from a lengthy injury. A reason or two why he was replaced yesterday - It's not simply a black and white situation - many factors affect selection and we are not at the training ground week in week out to see who is knackered, who has a niggly injury etc etc Having said all of the above, I'm sure there are things that the 'Pro-Sannino' clan are nitpicking out in order to defend the man. It does work both ways of course but whilst we have had a good start maybe we should give the man the benefit of the doubt. With regards to the above quoted post, specifically about the club 'deteriorating'; come on fella do me a favour. Slightly dramatic. If Sannino was that bad do you think Deeney would be staying? Also you are in some kind of dreamland asking for a manager who 'we can all trust to know he will be here in the long term'. How will that work when we have fans asking for a manager to be sacked every time we hit a sticky patch??? At the beginning of Dyches career people wanted him sacked, Zola wasn't good enough, and now Beppe isn't good enough despite having the best start to a season for a decade. Yes we have not been tested yet this year, yes our defence is a little suspect. Yes we have not been perfect, but we have made a good start and have won games that we would have drawn/lost in recent years. Beppe seems like a ridiculously passionate man who values hard work, determination, a never say die attitude and the will to roll your sleeves up, grit your teeth and grind out a result (something we did not have under Zola) and if he can convey that to the talented set of players we have then we will be in with a great chance of getting promoted. Yesterday was a sign that perhaps his message is getting across. Essay done. COYH. (Still buzzing from yesterday)[/p][/quote]Good post Stoney, Cant agree with a lot of it but you put your case over well.I am sure all of the Beppe detractors are 100% behind the Horns once on the pitch and delighted with our league position. But its good to have forums like this where we can voice our uncertainties and displeasures at certain goings on at the club. Obviously we cant all agree on everything, but as long as we respect everyones opinion and their right to voice them, and our common cause to get behind the lads on match day then all is good. Only time will tell who was right and who was wrong ! but lets get out of this league whatever. KeithMercer
  • Score: 2

10:45am Sun 31 Aug 14

davidhornet says...

Hampshire hornet wrote:
Put him out of his misery and get someone else in SOON , I could get results with the squad at his disposal, plus I can speak English
Pathetic xenophobe. Look it up in the dictionary.
[quote][p][bold]Hampshire hornet[/bold] wrote: Put him out of his misery and get someone else in SOON , I could get results with the squad at his disposal, plus I can speak English[/p][/quote]Pathetic xenophobe. Look it up in the dictionary. davidhornet
  • Score: 10

10:47am Sun 31 Aug 14

davidhornet says...

rickmansworth_robert wrote:
The sooner he is gone the better:

Still hasn't learnt english to a high enough standard.

Changed the formation 3 times on Tuesday. Clueless.

Didn't start Hoban today for no reason - played Ekstrand and Tamas as a wide centre back.

Players don't like him - his position is not tenable in the long run. Like Di Canio, won't be able to sustain results over the season.

I imagine the Pozzos have been discussing replacements and with the international break will shortly wield the axe.

Maybe he can get a job at the Watford hospital.
How is your Italian then you low life.
[quote][p][bold]rickmansworth_robert[/bold] wrote: The sooner he is gone the better: Still hasn't learnt english to a high enough standard. Changed the formation 3 times on Tuesday. Clueless. Didn't start Hoban today for no reason - played Ekstrand and Tamas as a wide centre back. Players don't like him - his position is not tenable in the long run. Like Di Canio, won't be able to sustain results over the season. I imagine the Pozzos have been discussing replacements and with the international break will shortly wield the axe. Maybe he can get a job at the Watford hospital.[/p][/quote]How is your Italian then you low life. davidhornet
  • Score: 1

10:53am Sun 31 Aug 14

Keepyourmindfree says...

Hornet Cornet wrote:
Ode to Watford

Almen Abdi comes from the land of Swiss,
He’s just so good, Hudders thought he was taking the pi55,
He scored a goal that was rather good,
He loves his gruyere, his cows, he’s good.

And then there’s Deeney, so loyal and strong,
Little did he know that Lloydinho was wearing a thong,
He’s a Watford legend, that we know,
And that goal vs Leicester, it’s the best ever I know.

And then there’s Keithy Andrews who’s older than me,
Some say he should have biscuits and a cuppa tea,
For I am happy with being a golden ‘orn,
Buckler will celebrate by watching some ****

5 points to anyone with the most unpredictable guess at the four letter word.

I thank you
HC
Hooray, ode from the cornet. I love your levity towards this forum. A pleasant distraction from all the bickering. Some people just too serious. We is winnin..............
......
[quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: Ode to Watford Almen Abdi comes from the land of Swiss, He’s just so good, Hudders thought he was taking the pi55, He scored a goal that was rather good, He loves his gruyere, his cows, he’s good. And then there’s Deeney, so loyal and strong, Little did he know that Lloydinho was wearing a thong, He’s a Watford legend, that we know, And that goal vs Leicester, it’s the best ever I know. And then there’s Keithy Andrews who’s older than me, Some say he should have biscuits and a cuppa tea, For I am happy with being a golden ‘orn, Buckler will celebrate by watching some **** 5 points to anyone with the most unpredictable guess at the four letter word. I thank you HC[/p][/quote]Hooray, ode from the cornet. I love your levity towards this forum. A pleasant distraction from all the bickering. Some people just too serious. We is winnin.............. ...... Keepyourmindfree
  • Score: -1

11:01am Sun 31 Aug 14

davidhornet says...

Frank The W*nk
Frank The W*nk davidhornet
  • Score: -11

11:07am Sun 31 Aug 14

lincoln horn says...

Gone by Halloween, Van Gaal, Freedman, Irvine,Allardyce, Dyche and IMO BS. Just a prediction I wanted to share ( I realise nobody cares )! I like BS though, just fear for his future at Watford fc.
Gone by Halloween, Van Gaal, Freedman, Irvine,Allardyce, Dyche and IMO BS. Just a prediction I wanted to share ( I realise nobody cares )! I like BS though, just fear for his future at Watford fc. lincoln horn
  • Score: 0

11:12am Sun 31 Aug 14

hornet of the humber says...

Seriously wtf to some Watford fans beppe will go when he deserves to go, what happens if he's sacked and we don't make it up this year, do we then start blaming petty journalists and fans, let the pozzos do what they want and lump their decisions.
Seriously wtf to some Watford fans beppe will go when he deserves to go, what happens if he's sacked and we don't make it up this year, do we then start blaming petty journalists and fans, let the pozzos do what they want and lump their decisions. hornet of the humber
  • Score: 6

11:14am Sun 31 Aug 14

No Wheels says...

charliefarmery wrote:
peter10531089 wrote:
lutondown wrote:
scottwfc wrote:
For fecks sake Smith, let go, grow up and move on. Accept that you aren't going to get Beppe sacked. I don't care if some of the players don't like him, I didn't like many of the people I've worked for over the years, and I expect there's precious few in your office who like you.

Results are what matter to the Pozzo's, not the biased opinions of a provincial journalist who's not got good enough to get a job with a real paper.
No Beppe will get himself sacked
Bizarre selections to say the least
A strong team spirit getting them over the line,not his coaching nous.
Don't you get it? The reporters are merely following up on reports of unrest, or do you simply want to hear happy flappy stuff regardless of the truth
Great effort from 1881 and all the rookery today
Got to agree with LD -I appreciate that we won but the result today had far more to do with the determination and spirit of the players on the field than the tactical noise of the man in the dug out - it can be argued that he has engendered this determination of course - but tactically they were killing us 11 v 11 - especially in the middle of the park - and it was only when we had to sit deep and hit them on the break that we started to cope - ironic I know. The fact that it took Beppe 10 minutes to get Hoban on after the red card also smacked of the same impotence that seemingly prevented him changing personnel or shape prior to their second equaliser. Heart, work rate and passion are great, and necessary but will only get us so far - we need a man manager and tactician as well. The players last half hour were fabulous. Thought Tamas was daft for his second yellow but he has been more than decent this season but Ekstrand for Hoban to start was another strange decision for me after he let us down at Norwich and Hoban has not put a foot wrong - other than missing that header vs Leeds. I realise that many will say I am just moaning but I enjoyed the win as much as anyone but this is my take on the game not just the result.
Finally at the start of the second half Gomes came up to the family stand and gave some gloves to a fan - lovely touch.
I totally agree. I loved yesterday's game but we're kidding ourselves if we think BS didn't make a number of poor decisions. We were very lucky Huddersfield didn't score in the 10 mins after Tamas was sent off. Why BS waited so long to bring Hoban on heaven only knows. And why he left Hoban out and and played Tamas on the right of the three and Ekstrand in the middle was also a poor decision in my view.
Decisons, decisions.... I also prefer Tommy H. in the lineup, but he had just played 3 games in 8 days! That's a lot for a still very young player who had a terrible injury last year and a very plausible reason for leaving out Tommy Hoban, in my opinion. We have a big, talented squad; we have to use it as best we can. How often do we hear of players getting recurrences of injuries when they are rushed back and over-played too early, especially the younger players? If Tommy played every game until mid October and had a relapse, there would be howls of derision at the management for not taking care of him. As for not bringing Tommy on sooner as a sub, I suspect Beppe thought that keeping Anya on instead of Tommy still provided the potential for something on the break going forward, given that trying to just defend for half an hour usually ends in tears. Once it was clear that it was truly backs against the wall stuff, he brought him on and we just hung on for the last twenty. I don't see that any of this constitutes inept management. You can make a claim for trying a different way, but I see plenty of logic in this argument. Most teams in our situation yesterday, a man down with half an hour to go against a good team playing with spirit and purpose, WOULD NOT HAVE COME OUT ON TOP whatever tactics they tried. Not our greatest performance, but plenty of positives, plenty of spirit and a situation well-handled by Beppe.
[quote][p][bold]charliefarmery[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peter10531089[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lutondown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scottwfc[/bold] wrote: For fecks sake Smith, let go, grow up and move on. Accept that you aren't going to get Beppe sacked. I don't care if some of the players don't like him, I didn't like many of the people I've worked for over the years, and I expect there's precious few in your office who like you. Results are what matter to the Pozzo's, not the biased opinions of a provincial journalist who's not got good enough to get a job with a real paper.[/p][/quote]No Beppe will get himself sacked Bizarre selections to say the least A strong team spirit getting them over the line,not his coaching nous. Don't you get it? The reporters are merely following up on reports of unrest, or do you simply want to hear happy flappy stuff regardless of the truth Great effort from 1881 and all the rookery today[/p][/quote]Got to agree with LD -I appreciate that we won but the result today had far more to do with the determination and spirit of the players on the field than the tactical noise of the man in the dug out - it can be argued that he has engendered this determination of course - but tactically they were killing us 11 v 11 - especially in the middle of the park - and it was only when we had to sit deep and hit them on the break that we started to cope - ironic I know. The fact that it took Beppe 10 minutes to get Hoban on after the red card also smacked of the same impotence that seemingly prevented him changing personnel or shape prior to their second equaliser. Heart, work rate and passion are great, and necessary but will only get us so far - we need a man manager and tactician as well. The players last half hour were fabulous. Thought Tamas was daft for his second yellow but he has been more than decent this season but Ekstrand for Hoban to start was another strange decision for me after he let us down at Norwich and Hoban has not put a foot wrong - other than missing that header vs Leeds. I realise that many will say I am just moaning but I enjoyed the win as much as anyone but this is my take on the game not just the result. Finally at the start of the second half Gomes came up to the family stand and gave some gloves to a fan - lovely touch.[/p][/quote]I totally agree. I loved yesterday's game but we're kidding ourselves if we think BS didn't make a number of poor decisions. We were very lucky Huddersfield didn't score in the 10 mins after Tamas was sent off. Why BS waited so long to bring Hoban on heaven only knows. And why he left Hoban out and and played Tamas on the right of the three and Ekstrand in the middle was also a poor decision in my view.[/p][/quote]Decisons, decisions.... I also prefer Tommy H. in the lineup, but he had just played 3 games in 8 days! That's a lot for a still very young player who had a terrible injury last year and a very plausible reason for leaving out Tommy Hoban, in my opinion. We have a big, talented squad; we have to use it as best we can. How often do we hear of players getting recurrences of injuries when they are rushed back and over-played too early, especially the younger players? If Tommy played every game until mid October and had a relapse, there would be howls of derision at the management for not taking care of him. As for not bringing Tommy on sooner as a sub, I suspect Beppe thought that keeping Anya on instead of Tommy still provided the potential for something on the break going forward, given that trying to just defend for half an hour usually ends in tears. Once it was clear that it was truly backs against the wall stuff, he brought him on and we just hung on for the last twenty. I don't see that any of this constitutes inept management. You can make a claim for trying a different way, but I see plenty of logic in this argument. Most teams in our situation yesterday, a man down with half an hour to go against a good team playing with spirit and purpose, WOULD NOT HAVE COME OUT ON TOP whatever tactics they tried. Not our greatest performance, but plenty of positives, plenty of spirit and a situation well-handled by Beppe. No Wheels
  • Score: 11

11:14am Sun 31 Aug 14

matey_from_brighton says...

Stoney77 wrote:
rickmansworth_robert wrote:
llloydwithathirdl wrote:
rickmansworth_robert wrote:
The sooner he is gone the better:

Still hasn't learnt english to a high enough standard.

Changed the formation 3 times on Tuesday. Clueless.

Didn't start Hoban today for no reason - played Ekstrand and Tamas as a wide centre back.

Players don't like him - his position is not tenable in the long run. Like Di Canio, won't be able to sustain results over the season.

I imagine the Pozzos have been discussing replacements and with the international break will shortly wield the axe.

Maybe he can get a job at the Watford hospital.
Did you watch today's game? We were fantastic. He picked the right team, played the right tactics, made the right subs at the right time. He showed passion on the touchline, and we won three hard earned points.

If you can't enjoy that you should probably stop watching football.
I was at the game and enjoyed it a lot - very exciting. However, we should have beaten that team 4-0 and avoided all that stress at the end. When you take all the emotion out of the last half an hour and analyse it rationally, we were very lucky to walk away with 3 points. There is no way we should have let them into the game. When Tamas was sent off (who shouldn't have even been playing in a wide centre back position in the first place) we should have been at least 2 goals clear. The amount of opportunties they had when Tamas got sent off also shows how lucky we were.

Yes it was a great game to watch and the Rookery was buzzing towards the end. Has been a long time since the crowd has been so integral to a match. But if you look at the facts rather than emotions, there are a lot of negatives that lie on Sannino.

Furthermore, with all this speculation (which is not just a WO conspiracy as some deluded fans argue) do you really want a manager in that position? A manager you always feel is 2 bad games from the sack (similair to Allardyce's precarious position at West Ham. It would be much better to get a manager everyone trusts that we know can be there in the long-term. Sannino is like Di Canio - his teqnique may work in the short-term but as he starts to upset more and more people the club will gradually deteriorate.

As for all those that are complaning about Frank for reporting this, he is just doing his job and not making this stuff up himself. If you don't agree with anything i have said and think Sannino should stay then that's one thing, but there is no secret WO agenda to sack Sannino.
It seems to me that the supporters who have the opinion that Sannino is not the man will nitpick to try and find every and any possible flaw within game to bring his management skills/coaching skills/tactical nous into doubt. It also seems that he can do no right in some peoples eyes.

We lack passion on Tuesday and Sannino gets accused of being unable to motivate his players. Yet we show heart, passion, motivation and desire yesterday and the players alone get congratulated for the display, and to rub salt in the wounds it seems the tactics from the manager were still wrong.

The manager makes substitutions which see us go on to win the game against Rotherham and yesterday, yet seems to not get any credit for it, and attention is drawn to the fact that a sub was made 5 minutes too late.

We win ugly and by playing with grit and determination (Rotherham and yesterday) but it seems that Sannino has 'got lucky'.

We should have been 4-0 up at half time but somehow this is the managers fault, not the fact that poor finishing let us down. Surely, If we 'should' be 4-0 up but aren't, then credit must be given to the manager for instilling the tactics to get the team to create the chances - not his fault the players aren't taking the chances

It just seems to me that he cannot win. Yes Anya has not been great and was not great yesterday and Ekstrand over Hoban was clearly not a popular choice but fans calling for managers head because they don't agree with 2 positions is a bit OTT. Hoban by the way had a terrible last 20 mins against Rotherham, had just played 2 games in 3 days, is very young and not too long since coming back from a lengthy injury. A reason or two why he was replaced yesterday - It's not simply a black and white situation - many factors affect selection and we are not at the training ground week in week out to see who is knackered, who has a niggly injury etc etc

Having said all of the above, I'm sure there are things that the 'Pro-Sannino' clan are nitpicking out in order to defend the man. It does work both ways of course but whilst we have had a good start maybe we should give the man the benefit of the doubt.

With regards to the above quoted post, specifically about the club 'deteriorating'; come on fella do me a favour. Slightly dramatic. If Sannino was that bad do you think Deeney would be staying?

Also you are in some kind of dreamland asking for a manager who 'we can all trust to know he will be here in the long term'. How will that work when we have fans asking for a manager to be sacked every time we hit a sticky patch??? At the beginning of Dyches career people wanted him sacked, Zola wasn't good enough, and now Beppe isn't good enough despite having the best start to a season for a decade.

Yes we have not been tested yet this year, yes our defence is a little suspect. Yes we have not been perfect, but we have made a good start and have won games that we would have drawn/lost in recent years.
Beppe seems like a ridiculously passionate man who values hard work, determination, a never say die attitude and the will to roll your sleeves up, grit your teeth and grind out a result (something we did not have under Zola) and if he can convey that to the talented set of players we have then we will be in with a great chance of getting promoted. Yesterday was a sign that perhaps his message is getting across.

Essay done. COYH.
(Still buzzing from yesterday)
Agree with most of that but "hoban had a terrible last 20 minutes against Rotherham"?? Other than from left wing he beat a couple of players with a bit of skill you would only expect from Forestieri to lay on the 2nd goal that is. The fact that Ekstrand who got himself sent off and cost us a hope of 3pts at Norwich and that Hoban came in and has performed arguably better than the rest of his fellow defenders leaves the manager open to criticsm about his man-management and judgement, The fact we won yesterday was great but cleansheets are what we should be aiming for and having your best players starting surely is the way to achieve that.
[quote][p][bold]Stoney77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rickmansworth_robert[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]llloydwithathirdl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rickmansworth_robert[/bold] wrote: The sooner he is gone the better: Still hasn't learnt english to a high enough standard. Changed the formation 3 times on Tuesday. Clueless. Didn't start Hoban today for no reason - played Ekstrand and Tamas as a wide centre back. Players don't like him - his position is not tenable in the long run. Like Di Canio, won't be able to sustain results over the season. I imagine the Pozzos have been discussing replacements and with the international break will shortly wield the axe. Maybe he can get a job at the Watford hospital.[/p][/quote]Did you watch today's game? We were fantastic. He picked the right team, played the right tactics, made the right subs at the right time. He showed passion on the touchline, and we won three hard earned points. If you can't enjoy that you should probably stop watching football.[/p][/quote]I was at the game and enjoyed it a lot - very exciting. However, we should have beaten that team 4-0 and avoided all that stress at the end. When you take all the emotion out of the last half an hour and analyse it rationally, we were very lucky to walk away with 3 points. There is no way we should have let them into the game. When Tamas was sent off (who shouldn't have even been playing in a wide centre back position in the first place) we should have been at least 2 goals clear. The amount of opportunties they had when Tamas got sent off also shows how lucky we were. Yes it was a great game to watch and the Rookery was buzzing towards the end. Has been a long time since the crowd has been so integral to a match. But if you look at the facts rather than emotions, there are a lot of negatives that lie on Sannino. Furthermore, with all this speculation (which is not just a WO conspiracy as some deluded fans argue) do you really want a manager in that position? A manager you always feel is 2 bad games from the sack (similair to Allardyce's precarious position at West Ham. It would be much better to get a manager everyone trusts that we know can be there in the long-term. Sannino is like Di Canio - his teqnique may work in the short-term but as he starts to upset more and more people the club will gradually deteriorate. As for all those that are complaning about Frank for reporting this, he is just doing his job and not making this stuff up himself. If you don't agree with anything i have said and think Sannino should stay then that's one thing, but there is no secret WO agenda to sack Sannino.[/p][/quote]It seems to me that the supporters who have the opinion that Sannino is not the man will nitpick to try and find every and any possible flaw within game to bring his management skills/coaching skills/tactical nous into doubt. It also seems that he can do no right in some peoples eyes. We lack passion on Tuesday and Sannino gets accused of being unable to motivate his players. Yet we show heart, passion, motivation and desire yesterday and the players alone get congratulated for the display, and to rub salt in the wounds it seems the tactics from the manager were still wrong. The manager makes substitutions which see us go on to win the game against Rotherham and yesterday, yet seems to not get any credit for it, and attention is drawn to the fact that a sub was made 5 minutes too late. We win ugly and by playing with grit and determination (Rotherham and yesterday) but it seems that Sannino has 'got lucky'. We should have been 4-0 up at half time but somehow this is the managers fault, not the fact that poor finishing let us down. Surely, If we 'should' be 4-0 up but aren't, then credit must be given to the manager for instilling the tactics to get the team to create the chances - not his fault the players aren't taking the chances It just seems to me that he cannot win. Yes Anya has not been great and was not great yesterday and Ekstrand over Hoban was clearly not a popular choice but fans calling for managers head because they don't agree with 2 positions is a bit OTT. Hoban by the way had a terrible last 20 mins against Rotherham, had just played 2 games in 3 days, is very young and not too long since coming back from a lengthy injury. A reason or two why he was replaced yesterday - It's not simply a black and white situation - many factors affect selection and we are not at the training ground week in week out to see who is knackered, who has a niggly injury etc etc Having said all of the above, I'm sure there are things that the 'Pro-Sannino' clan are nitpicking out in order to defend the man. It does work both ways of course but whilst we have had a good start maybe we should give the man the benefit of the doubt. With regards to the above quoted post, specifically about the club 'deteriorating'; come on fella do me a favour. Slightly dramatic. If Sannino was that bad do you think Deeney would be staying? Also you are in some kind of dreamland asking for a manager who 'we can all trust to know he will be here in the long term'. How will that work when we have fans asking for a manager to be sacked every time we hit a sticky patch??? At the beginning of Dyches career people wanted him sacked, Zola wasn't good enough, and now Beppe isn't good enough despite having the best start to a season for a decade. Yes we have not been tested yet this year, yes our defence is a little suspect. Yes we have not been perfect, but we have made a good start and have won games that we would have drawn/lost in recent years. Beppe seems like a ridiculously passionate man who values hard work, determination, a never say die attitude and the will to roll your sleeves up, grit your teeth and grind out a result (something we did not have under Zola) and if he can convey that to the talented set of players we have then we will be in with a great chance of getting promoted. Yesterday was a sign that perhaps his message is getting across. Essay done. COYH. (Still buzzing from yesterday)[/p][/quote]Agree with most of that but "hoban had a terrible last 20 minutes against Rotherham"?? Other than from left wing he beat a couple of players with a bit of skill you would only expect from Forestieri to lay on the 2nd goal that is. The fact that Ekstrand who got himself sent off and cost us a hope of 3pts at Norwich and that Hoban came in and has performed arguably better than the rest of his fellow defenders leaves the manager open to criticsm about his man-management and judgement, The fact we won yesterday was great but cleansheets are what we should be aiming for and having your best players starting surely is the way to achieve that. matey_from_brighton
  • Score: 2

11:25am Sun 31 Aug 14

hornetsteve says...

Guy Bov wrote:
Good for him. Why should Sannino have to respond to rumours spread primarily on social media by those supposedly ITK

It's a results basis.... and right now he's producing them
I agree but if everything is ok behind the scenes why are the pozzos not coming out and giving there man some support a vote of confidence this would put the rumors to bed,!! until they do this situation will continue which can only surely be a bad thing, COME ON WFC COME OUT AND MAKE A STATEMENT, great all round performance, great subs made by sannino to get the result today, great performance from our supporters to lift the players in the last ten minutes hope to see&hear more of that this season!! COYH
[quote][p][bold]Guy Bov[/bold] wrote: Good for him. Why should Sannino have to respond to rumours spread primarily on social media by those supposedly ITK It's a results basis.... and right now he's producing them[/p][/quote]I agree but if everything is ok behind the scenes why are the pozzos not coming out and giving there man some support a vote of confidence this would put the rumors to bed,!! until they do this situation will continue which can only surely be a bad thing, COME ON WFC COME OUT AND MAKE A STATEMENT, great all round performance, great subs made by sannino to get the result today, great performance from our supporters to lift the players in the last ten minutes hope to see&hear more of that this season!! COYH hornetsteve
  • Score: 3

11:51am Sun 31 Aug 14

buckler says...

Guy Bov wrote:
buckler wrote:
Monday can't wait..
Are you going to a apologise if nothing happens on Monday?
Why would I possibly apologise! Lots of things will happen on Monday and one thing for sure- you licking a window!
[quote][p][bold]Guy Bov[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buckler[/bold] wrote: Monday can't wait..[/p][/quote]Are you going to a apologise if nothing happens on Monday?[/p][/quote]Why would I possibly apologise! Lots of things will happen on Monday and one thing for sure- you licking a window! buckler
  • Score: -6

12:10pm Sun 31 Aug 14

Stoney77 says...

matey_from_brighton wrote:
Stoney77 wrote:
rickmansworth_robert wrote:
llloydwithathirdl wrote:
rickmansworth_robert wrote:
The sooner he is gone the better:

Still hasn't learnt english to a high enough standard.

Changed the formation 3 times on Tuesday. Clueless.

Didn't start Hoban today for no reason - played Ekstrand and Tamas as a wide centre back.

Players don't like him - his position is not tenable in the long run. Like Di Canio, won't be able to sustain results over the season.

I imagine the Pozzos have been discussing replacements and with the international break will shortly wield the axe.

Maybe he can get a job at the Watford hospital.
Did you watch today's game? We were fantastic. He picked the right team, played the right tactics, made the right subs at the right time. He showed passion on the touchline, and we won three hard earned points.

If you can't enjoy that you should probably stop watching football.
I was at the game and enjoyed it a lot - very exciting. However, we should have beaten that team 4-0 and avoided all that stress at the end. When you take all the emotion out of the last half an hour and analyse it rationally, we were very lucky to walk away with 3 points. There is no way we should have let them into the game. When Tamas was sent off (who shouldn't have even been playing in a wide centre back position in the first place) we should have been at least 2 goals clear. The amount of opportunties they had when Tamas got sent off also shows how lucky we were.

Yes it was a great game to watch and the Rookery was buzzing towards the end. Has been a long time since the crowd has been so integral to a match. But if you look at the facts rather than emotions, there are a lot of negatives that lie on Sannino.

Furthermore, with all this speculation (which is not just a WO conspiracy as some deluded fans argue) do you really want a manager in that position? A manager you always feel is 2 bad games from the sack (similair to Allardyce's precarious position at West Ham. It would be much better to get a manager everyone trusts that we know can be there in the long-term. Sannino is like Di Canio - his teqnique may work in the short-term but as he starts to upset more and more people the club will gradually deteriorate.

As for all those that are complaning about Frank for reporting this, he is just doing his job and not making this stuff up himself. If you don't agree with anything i have said and think Sannino should stay then that's one thing, but there is no secret WO agenda to sack Sannino.
It seems to me that the supporters who have the opinion that Sannino is not the man will nitpick to try and find every and any possible flaw within game to bring his management skills/coaching skills/tactical nous into doubt. It also seems that he can do no right in some peoples eyes.

We lack passion on Tuesday and Sannino gets accused of being unable to motivate his players. Yet we show heart, passion, motivation and desire yesterday and the players alone get congratulated for the display, and to rub salt in the wounds it seems the tactics from the manager were still wrong.

The manager makes substitutions which see us go on to win the game against Rotherham and yesterday, yet seems to not get any credit for it, and attention is drawn to the fact that a sub was made 5 minutes too late.

We win ugly and by playing with grit and determination (Rotherham and yesterday) but it seems that Sannino has 'got lucky'.

We should have been 4-0 up at half time but somehow this is the managers fault, not the fact that poor finishing let us down. Surely, If we 'should' be 4-0 up but aren't, then credit must be given to the manager for instilling the tactics to get the team to create the chances - not his fault the players aren't taking the chances

It just seems to me that he cannot win. Yes Anya has not been great and was not great yesterday and Ekstrand over Hoban was clearly not a popular choice but fans calling for managers head because they don't agree with 2 positions is a bit OTT. Hoban by the way had a terrible last 20 mins against Rotherham, had just played 2 games in 3 days, is very young and not too long since coming back from a lengthy injury. A reason or two why he was replaced yesterday - It's not simply a black and white situation - many factors affect selection and we are not at the training ground week in week out to see who is knackered, who has a niggly injury etc etc

Having said all of the above, I'm sure there are things that the 'Pro-Sannino' clan are nitpicking out in order to defend the man. It does work both ways of course but whilst we have had a good start maybe we should give the man the benefit of the doubt.

With regards to the above quoted post, specifically about the club 'deteriorating'; come on fella do me a favour. Slightly dramatic. If Sannino was that bad do you think Deeney would be staying?

Also you are in some kind of dreamland asking for a manager who 'we can all trust to know he will be here in the long term'. How will that work when we have fans asking for a manager to be sacked every time we hit a sticky patch??? At the beginning of Dyches career people wanted him sacked, Zola wasn't good enough, and now Beppe isn't good enough despite having the best start to a season for a decade.

Yes we have not been tested yet this year, yes our defence is a little suspect. Yes we have not been perfect, but we have made a good start and have won games that we would have drawn/lost in recent years.
Beppe seems like a ridiculously passionate man who values hard work, determination, a never say die attitude and the will to roll your sleeves up, grit your teeth and grind out a result (something we did not have under Zola) and if he can convey that to the talented set of players we have then we will be in with a great chance of getting promoted. Yesterday was a sign that perhaps his message is getting across.

Essay done. COYH.
(Still buzzing from yesterday)
Agree with most of that but "hoban had a terrible last 20 minutes against Rotherham"?? Other than from left wing he beat a couple of players with a bit of skill you would only expect from Forestieri to lay on the 2nd goal that is. The fact that Ekstrand who got himself sent off and cost us a hope of 3pts at Norwich and that Hoban came in and has performed arguably better than the rest of his fellow defenders leaves the manager open to criticsm about his man-management and judgement, The fact we won yesterday was great but cleansheets are what we should be aiming for and having your best players starting surely is the way to achieve that.
Sorry re Hoban I actually meant against Doncaster in the cup on Tuesday (not Rotherham, against whom he was great by all accounts). Easy to get mixed up between these rather non descript, poorly supported, grim northern clubs who no one really cares about, Huddersfield included in this of course, ain't that right DaveCowling?
[quote][p][bold]matey_from_brighton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stoney77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rickmansworth_robert[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]llloydwithathirdl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rickmansworth_robert[/bold] wrote: The sooner he is gone the better: Still hasn't learnt english to a high enough standard. Changed the formation 3 times on Tuesday. Clueless. Didn't start Hoban today for no reason - played Ekstrand and Tamas as a wide centre back. Players don't like him - his position is not tenable in the long run. Like Di Canio, won't be able to sustain results over the season. I imagine the Pozzos have been discussing replacements and with the international break will shortly wield the axe. Maybe he can get a job at the Watford hospital.[/p][/quote]Did you watch today's game? We were fantastic. He picked the right team, played the right tactics, made the right subs at the right time. He showed passion on the touchline, and we won three hard earned points. If you can't enjoy that you should probably stop watching football.[/p][/quote]I was at the game and enjoyed it a lot - very exciting. However, we should have beaten that team 4-0 and avoided all that stress at the end. When you take all the emotion out of the last half an hour and analyse it rationally, we were very lucky to walk away with 3 points. There is no way we should have let them into the game. When Tamas was sent off (who shouldn't have even been playing in a wide centre back position in the first place) we should have been at least 2 goals clear. The amount of opportunties they had when Tamas got sent off also shows how lucky we were. Yes it was a great game to watch and the Rookery was buzzing towards the end. Has been a long time since the crowd has been so integral to a match. But if you look at the facts rather than emotions, there are a lot of negatives that lie on Sannino. Furthermore, with all this speculation (which is not just a WO conspiracy as some deluded fans argue) do you really want a manager in that position? A manager you always feel is 2 bad games from the sack (similair to Allardyce's precarious position at West Ham. It would be much better to get a manager everyone trusts that we know can be there in the long-term. Sannino is like Di Canio - his teqnique may work in the short-term but as he starts to upset more and more people the club will gradually deteriorate. As for all those that are complaning about Frank for reporting this, he is just doing his job and not making this stuff up himself. If you don't agree with anything i have said and think Sannino should stay then that's one thing, but there is no secret WO agenda to sack Sannino.[/p][/quote]It seems to me that the supporters who have the opinion that Sannino is not the man will nitpick to try and find every and any possible flaw within game to bring his management skills/coaching skills/tactical nous into doubt. It also seems that he can do no right in some peoples eyes. We lack passion on Tuesday and Sannino gets accused of being unable to motivate his players. Yet we show heart, passion, motivation and desire yesterday and the players alone get congratulated for the display, and to rub salt in the wounds it seems the tactics from the manager were still wrong. The manager makes substitutions which see us go on to win the game against Rotherham and yesterday, yet seems to not get any credit for it, and attention is drawn to the fact that a sub was made 5 minutes too late. We win ugly and by playing with grit and determination (Rotherham and yesterday) but it seems that Sannino has 'got lucky'. We should have been 4-0 up at half time but somehow this is the managers fault, not the fact that poor finishing let us down. Surely, If we 'should' be 4-0 up but aren't, then credit must be given to the manager for instilling the tactics to get the team to create the chances - not his fault the players aren't taking the chances It just seems to me that he cannot win. Yes Anya has not been great and was not great yesterday and Ekstrand over Hoban was clearly not a popular choice but fans calling for managers head because they don't agree with 2 positions is a bit OTT. Hoban by the way had a terrible last 20 mins against Rotherham, had just played 2 games in 3 days, is very young and not too long since coming back from a lengthy injury. A reason or two why he was replaced yesterday - It's not simply a black and white situation - many factors affect selection and we are not at the training ground week in week out to see who is knackered, who has a niggly injury etc etc Having said all of the above, I'm sure there are things that the 'Pro-Sannino' clan are nitpicking out in order to defend the man. It does work both ways of course but whilst we have had a good start maybe we should give the man the benefit of the doubt. With regards to the above quoted post, specifically about the club 'deteriorating'; come on fella do me a favour. Slightly dramatic. If Sannino was that bad do you think Deeney would be staying? Also you are in some kind of dreamland asking for a manager who 'we can all trust to know he will be here in the long term'. How will that work when we have fans asking for a manager to be sacked every time we hit a sticky patch??? At the beginning of Dyches career people wanted him sacked, Zola wasn't good enough, and now Beppe isn't good enough despite having the best start to a season for a decade. Yes we have not been tested yet this year, yes our defence is a little suspect. Yes we have not been perfect, but we have made a good start and have won games that we would have drawn/lost in recent years. Beppe seems like a ridiculously passionate man who values hard work, determination, a never say die attitude and the will to roll your sleeves up, grit your teeth and grind out a result (something we did not have under Zola) and if he can convey that to the talented set of players we have then we will be in with a great chance of getting promoted. Yesterday was a sign that perhaps his message is getting across. Essay done. COYH. (Still buzzing from yesterday)[/p][/quote]Agree with most of that but "hoban had a terrible last 20 minutes against Rotherham"?? Other than from left wing he beat a couple of players with a bit of skill you would only expect from Forestieri to lay on the 2nd goal that is. The fact that Ekstrand who got himself sent off and cost us a hope of 3pts at Norwich and that Hoban came in and has performed arguably better than the rest of his fellow defenders leaves the manager open to criticsm about his man-management and judgement, The fact we won yesterday was great but cleansheets are what we should be aiming for and having your best players starting surely is the way to achieve that.[/p][/quote]Sorry re Hoban I actually meant against Doncaster in the cup on Tuesday (not Rotherham, against whom he was great by all accounts). Easy to get mixed up between these rather non descript, poorly supported, grim northern clubs who no one really cares about, Huddersfield included in this of course, ain't that right DaveCowling? Stoney77
  • Score: 3

12:27pm Sun 31 Aug 14

mellow yellow says...

KeithMercer wrote:
Stoney77 wrote:
rickmansworth_robert wrote:
llloydwithathirdl wrote:
rickmansworth_robert wrote:
The sooner he is gone the better:

Still hasn't learnt english to a high enough standard.

Changed the formation 3 times on Tuesday. Clueless.

Didn't start Hoban today for no reason - played Ekstrand and Tamas as a wide centre back.

Players don't like him - his position is not tenable in the long run. Like Di Canio, won't be able to sustain results over the season.

I imagine the Pozzos have been discussing replacements and with the international break will shortly wield the axe.

Maybe he can get a job at the Watford hospital.
Did you watch today's game? We were fantastic. He picked the right team, played the right tactics, made the right subs at the right time. He showed passion on the touchline, and we won three hard earned points.

If you can't enjoy that you should probably stop watching football.
I was at the game and enjoyed it a lot - very exciting. However, we should have beaten that team 4-0 and avoided all that stress at the end. When you take all the emotion out of the last half an hour and analyse it rationally, we were very lucky to walk away with 3 points. There is no way we should have let them into the game. When Tamas was sent off (who shouldn't have even been playing in a wide centre back position in the first place) we should have been at least 2 goals clear. The amount of opportunties they had when Tamas got sent off also shows how lucky we were.

Yes it was a great game to watch and the Rookery was buzzing towards the end. Has been a long time since the crowd has been so integral to a match. But if you look at the facts rather than emotions, there are a lot of negatives that lie on Sannino.

Furthermore, with all this speculation (which is not just a WO conspiracy as some deluded fans argue) do you really want a manager in that position? A manager you always feel is 2 bad games from the sack (similair to Allardyce's precarious position at West Ham. It would be much better to get a manager everyone trusts that we know can be there in the long-term. Sannino is like Di Canio - his teqnique may work in the short-term but as he starts to upset more and more people the club will gradually deteriorate.

As for all those that are complaning about Frank for reporting this, he is just doing his job and not making this stuff up himself. If you don't agree with anything i have said and think Sannino should stay then that's one thing, but there is no secret WO agenda to sack Sannino.
It seems to me that the supporters who have the opinion that Sannino is not the man will nitpick to try and find every and any possible flaw within game to bring his management skills/coaching skills/tactical nous into doubt. It also seems that he can do no right in some peoples eyes.

We lack passion on Tuesday and Sannino gets accused of being unable to motivate his players. Yet we show heart, passion, motivation and desire yesterday and the players alone get congratulated for the display, and to rub salt in the wounds it seems the tactics from the manager were still wrong.

The manager makes substitutions which see us go on to win the game against Rotherham and yesterday, yet seems to not get any credit for it, and attention is drawn to the fact that a sub was made 5 minutes too late.

We win ugly and by playing with grit and determination (Rotherham and yesterday) but it seems that Sannino has 'got lucky'.

We should have been 4-0 up at half time but somehow this is the managers fault, not the fact that poor finishing let us down. Surely, If we 'should' be 4-0 up but aren't, then credit must be given to the manager for instilling the tactics to get the team to create the chances - not his fault the players aren't taking the chances

It just seems to me that he cannot win. Yes Anya has not been great and was not great yesterday and Ekstrand over Hoban was clearly not a popular choice but fans calling for managers head because they don't agree with 2 positions is a bit OTT. Hoban by the way had a terrible last 20 mins against Rotherham, had just played 2 games in 3 days, is very young and not too long since coming back from a lengthy injury. A reason or two why he was replaced yesterday - It's not simply a black and white situation - many factors affect selection and we are not at the training ground week in week out to see who is knackered, who has a niggly injury etc etc

Having said all of the above, I'm sure there are things that the 'Pro-Sannino' clan are nitpicking out in order to defend the man. It does work both ways of course but whilst we have had a good start maybe we should give the man the benefit of the doubt.

With regards to the above quoted post, specifically about the club 'deteriorating'; come on fella do me a favour. Slightly dramatic. If Sannino was that bad do you think Deeney would be staying?

Also you are in some kind of dreamland asking for a manager who 'we can all trust to know he will be here in the long term'. How will that work when we have fans asking for a manager to be sacked every time we hit a sticky patch??? At the beginning of Dyches career people wanted him sacked, Zola wasn't good enough, and now Beppe isn't good enough despite having the best start to a season for a decade.

Yes we have not been tested yet this year, yes our defence is a little suspect. Yes we have not been perfect, but we have made a good start and have won games that we would have drawn/lost in recent years.
Beppe seems like a ridiculously passionate man who values hard work, determination, a never say die attitude and the will to roll your sleeves up, grit your teeth and grind out a result (something we did not have under Zola) and if he can convey that to the talented set of players we have then we will be in with a great chance of getting promoted. Yesterday was a sign that perhaps his message is getting across.

Essay done. COYH.
(Still buzzing from yesterday)
Good post Stoney, Cant agree with a lot of it but you put your case over well.I am sure all of the Beppe detractors are 100% behind the Horns once on the pitch and delighted with our league position. But its good to have forums like this where we can voice our uncertainties and displeasures at certain goings on at the club. Obviously we cant all agree on everything, but as long as we respect everyones opinion and their right to voice them, and our common cause to get behind the lads on match day then all is good.
Only time will tell who was right and who was wrong ! but lets get out of this league whatever.
As ever, a typically balanced view Stoney. Bang on as far as I'm concerned. I have said before that I am unconvinced by Sannino, but qualified that by stating before the season we should expect to have 20 points from our opening ten fixtures. We are on course for that target. If a few 'senior players' are disgruntled then so be it. That is their stuff, not mine. Something strong tempted Troy to stay and I have no doubt it was simply a case for money. If this current team is winning DESPITE Sannino, then there is an argument for having no head coach at all. Ever.

So, say he does get shown the door on Monday... Who comes in to replace him. An English manager with a track record of getting international players out of the Championship - erm, who exactly is that?

And yes, Keith, who knows who is wrong or right... Or even halfway to either. But I sure am glad we have Deeney ON the pitch, regardless who is the head coach OFF it. Bring on Charlton. Another form team with a foreign coach.
[quote][p][bold]KeithMercer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stoney77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rickmansworth_robert[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]llloydwithathirdl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rickmansworth_robert[/bold] wrote: The sooner he is gone the better: Still hasn't learnt english to a high enough standard. Changed the formation 3 times on Tuesday. Clueless. Didn't start Hoban today for no reason - played Ekstrand and Tamas as a wide centre back. Players don't like him - his position is not tenable in the long run. Like Di Canio, won't be able to sustain results over the season. I imagine the Pozzos have been discussing replacements and with the international break will shortly wield the axe. Maybe he can get a job at the Watford hospital.[/p][/quote]Did you watch today's game? We were fantastic. He picked the right team, played the right tactics, made the right subs at the right time. He showed passion on the touchline, and we won three hard earned points. If you can't enjoy that you should probably stop watching football.[/p][/quote]I was at the game and enjoyed it a lot - very exciting. However, we should have beaten that team 4-0 and avoided all that stress at the end. When you take all the emotion out of the last half an hour and analyse it rationally, we were very lucky to walk away with 3 points. There is no way we should have let them into the game. When Tamas was sent off (who shouldn't have even been playing in a wide centre back position in the first place) we should have been at least 2 goals clear. The amount of opportunties they had when Tamas got sent off also shows how lucky we were. Yes it was a great game to watch and the Rookery was buzzing towards the end. Has been a long time since the crowd has been so integral to a match. But if you look at the facts rather than emotions, there are a lot of negatives that lie on Sannino. Furthermore, with all this speculation (which is not just a WO conspiracy as some deluded fans argue) do you really want a manager in that position? A manager you always feel is 2 bad games from the sack (similair to Allardyce's precarious position at West Ham. It would be much better to get a manager everyone trusts that we know can be there in the long-term. Sannino is like Di Canio - his teqnique may work in the short-term but as he starts to upset more and more people the club will gradually deteriorate. As for all those that are complaning about Frank for reporting this, he is just doing his job and not making this stuff up himself. If you don't agree with anything i have said and think Sannino should stay then that's one thing, but there is no secret WO agenda to sack Sannino.[/p][/quote]It seems to me that the supporters who have the opinion that Sannino is not the man will nitpick to try and find every and any possible flaw within game to bring his management skills/coaching skills/tactical nous into doubt. It also seems that he can do no right in some peoples eyes. We lack passion on Tuesday and Sannino gets accused of being unable to motivate his players. Yet we show heart, passion, motivation and desire yesterday and the players alone get congratulated for the display, and to rub salt in the wounds it seems the tactics from the manager were still wrong. The manager makes substitutions which see us go on to win the game against Rotherham and yesterday, yet seems to not get any credit for it, and attention is drawn to the fact that a sub was made 5 minutes too late. We win ugly and by playing with grit and determination (Rotherham and yesterday) but it seems that Sannino has 'got lucky'. We should have been 4-0 up at half time but somehow this is the managers fault, not the fact that poor finishing let us down. Surely, If we 'should' be 4-0 up but aren't, then credit must be given to the manager for instilling the tactics to get the team to create the chances - not his fault the players aren't taking the chances It just seems to me that he cannot win. Yes Anya has not been great and was not great yesterday and Ekstrand over Hoban was clearly not a popular choice but fans calling for managers head because they don't agree with 2 positions is a bit OTT. Hoban by the way had a terrible last 20 mins against Rotherham, had just played 2 games in 3 days, is very young and not too long since coming back from a lengthy injury. A reason or two why he was replaced yesterday - It's not simply a black and white situation - many factors affect selection and we are not at the training ground week in week out to see who is knackered, who has a niggly injury etc etc Having said all of the above, I'm sure there are things that the 'Pro-Sannino' clan are nitpicking out in order to defend the man. It does work both ways of course but whilst we have had a good start maybe we should give the man the benefit of the doubt. With regards to the above quoted post, specifically about the club 'deteriorating'; come on fella do me a favour. Slightly dramatic. If Sannino was that bad do you think Deeney would be staying? Also you are in some kind of dreamland asking for a manager who 'we can all trust to know he will be here in the long term'. How will that work when we have fans asking for a manager to be sacked every time we hit a sticky patch??? At the beginning of Dyches career people wanted him sacked, Zola wasn't good enough, and now Beppe isn't good enough despite having the best start to a season for a decade. Yes we have not been tested yet this year, yes our defence is a little suspect. Yes we have not been perfect, but we have made a good start and have won games that we would have drawn/lost in recent years. Beppe seems like a ridiculously passionate man who values hard work, determination, a never say die attitude and the will to roll your sleeves up, grit your teeth and grind out a result (something we did not have under Zola) and if he can convey that to the talented set of players we have then we will be in with a great chance of getting promoted. Yesterday was a sign that perhaps his message is getting across. Essay done. COYH. (Still buzzing from yesterday)[/p][/quote]Good post Stoney, Cant agree with a lot of it but you put your case over well.I am sure all of the Beppe detractors are 100% behind the Horns once on the pitch and delighted with our league position. But its good to have forums like this where we can voice our uncertainties and displeasures at certain goings on at the club. Obviously we cant all agree on everything, but as long as we respect everyones opinion and their right to voice them, and our common cause to get behind the lads on match day then all is good. Only time will tell who was right and who was wrong ! but lets get out of this league whatever.[/p][/quote]As ever, a typically balanced view Stoney. Bang on as far as I'm concerned. I have said before that I am unconvinced by Sannino, but qualified that by stating before the season we should expect to have 20 points from our opening ten fixtures. We are on course for that target. If a few 'senior players' are disgruntled then so be it. That is their stuff, not mine. Something strong tempted Troy to stay and I have no doubt it was simply a case for money. If this current team is winning DESPITE Sannino, then there is an argument for having no head coach at all. Ever. So, say he does get shown the door on Monday... Who comes in to replace him. An English manager with a track record of getting international players out of the Championship - erm, who exactly is that? And yes, Keith, who knows who is wrong or right... Or even halfway to either. But I sure am glad we have Deeney ON the pitch, regardless who is the head coach OFF it. Bring on Charlton. Another form team with a foreign coach. mellow yellow
  • Score: 3

12:28pm Sun 31 Aug 14

mellow yellow says...

lincoln horn wrote:
Gone by Halloween, Van Gaal, Freedman, Irvine,Allardyce, Dyche and IMO BS. Just a prediction I wanted to share ( I realise nobody cares )! I like BS though, just fear for his future at Watford fc.
Think you will be wrong about Dyche.
[quote][p][bold]lincoln horn[/bold] wrote: Gone by Halloween, Van Gaal, Freedman, Irvine,Allardyce, Dyche and IMO BS. Just a prediction I wanted to share ( I realise nobody cares )! I like BS though, just fear for his future at Watford fc.[/p][/quote]Think you will be wrong about Dyche. mellow yellow
  • Score: 1

12:32pm Sun 31 Aug 14

JonBoy says...

I reckon the Pozzos have already lined up a replacement, it's a matter of when not if. Southampton sacked Adkins to allow the club to move further forwards and at the time there was outrage but are you saying they didn't benefit from change? Beppe is a good man but I believe he has communication problems which limit how far he can go.

The Pozzos are successful football businessmen and they will make the right decision at the right time. I see that Galli arrived in London today.
I reckon the Pozzos have already lined up a replacement, it's a matter of when not if. Southampton sacked Adkins to allow the club to move further forwards and at the time there was outrage but are you saying they didn't benefit from change? Beppe is a good man but I believe he has communication problems which limit how far he can go. The Pozzos are successful football businessmen and they will make the right decision at the right time. I see that Galli arrived in London today. JonBoy
  • Score: 6

12:32pm Sun 31 Aug 14

mellow yellow says...

mellow yellow wrote:
KeithMercer wrote:
Stoney77 wrote:
rickmansworth_robert wrote:
llloydwithathirdl wrote:
rickmansworth_robert wrote:
The sooner he is gone the better:

Still hasn't learnt english to a high enough standard.

Changed the formation 3 times on Tuesday. Clueless.

Didn't start Hoban today for no reason - played Ekstrand and Tamas as a wide centre back.

Players don't like him - his position is not tenable in the long run. Like Di Canio, won't be able to sustain results over the season.

I imagine the Pozzos have been discussing replacements and with the international break will shortly wield the axe.

Maybe he can get a job at the Watford hospital.
Did you watch today's game? We were fantastic. He picked the right team, played the right tactics, made the right subs at the right time. He showed passion on the touchline, and we won three hard earned points.

If you can't enjoy that you should probably stop watching football.
I was at the game and enjoyed it a lot - very exciting. However, we should have beaten that team 4-0 and avoided all that stress at the end. When you take all the emotion out of the last half an hour and analyse it rationally, we were very lucky to walk away with 3 points. There is no way we should have let them into the game. When Tamas was sent off (who shouldn't have even been playing in a wide centre back position in the first place) we should have been at least 2 goals clear. The amount of opportunties they had when Tamas got sent off also shows how lucky we were.

Yes it was a great game to watch and the Rookery was buzzing towards the end. Has been a long time since the crowd has been so integral to a match. But if you look at the facts rather than emotions, there are a lot of negatives that lie on Sannino.

Furthermore, with all this speculation (which is not just a WO conspiracy as some deluded fans argue) do you really want a manager in that position? A manager you always feel is 2 bad games from the sack (similair to Allardyce's precarious position at West Ham. It would be much better to get a manager everyone trusts that we know can be there in the long-term. Sannino is like Di Canio - his teqnique may work in the short-term but as he starts to upset more and more people the club will gradually deteriorate.

As for all those that are complaning about Frank for reporting this, he is just doing his job and not making this stuff up himself. If you don't agree with anything i have said and think Sannino should stay then that's one thing, but there is no secret WO agenda to sack Sannino.
It seems to me that the supporters who have the opinion that Sannino is not the man will nitpick to try and find every and any possible flaw within game to bring his management skills/coaching skills/tactical nous into doubt. It also seems that he can do no right in some peoples eyes.

We lack passion on Tuesday and Sannino gets accused of being unable to motivate his players. Yet we show heart, passion, motivation and desire yesterday and the players alone get congratulated for the display, and to rub salt in the wounds it seems the tactics from the manager were still wrong.

The manager makes substitutions which see us go on to win the game against Rotherham and yesterday, yet seems to not get any credit for it, and attention is drawn to the fact that a sub was made 5 minutes too late.

We win ugly and by playing with grit and determination (Rotherham and yesterday) but it seems that Sannino has 'got lucky'.

We should have been 4-0 up at half time but somehow this is the managers fault, not the fact that poor finishing let us down. Surely, If we 'should' be 4-0 up but aren't, then credit must be given to the manager for instilling the tactics to get the team to create the chances - not his fault the players aren't taking the chances

It just seems to me that he cannot win. Yes Anya has not been great and was not great yesterday and Ekstrand over Hoban was clearly not a popular choice but fans calling for managers head because they don't agree with 2 positions is a bit OTT. Hoban by the way had a terrible last 20 mins against Rotherham, had just played 2 games in 3 days, is very young and not too long since coming back from a lengthy injury. A reason or two why he was replaced yesterday - It's not simply a black and white situation - many factors affect selection and we are not at the training ground week in week out to see who is knackered, who has a niggly injury etc etc

Having said all of the above, I'm sure there are things that the 'Pro-Sannino' clan are nitpicking out in order to defend the man. It does work both ways of course but whilst we have had a good start maybe we should give the man the benefit of the doubt.

With regards to the above quoted post, specifically about the club 'deteriorating'; come on fella do me a favour. Slightly dramatic. If Sannino was that bad do you think Deeney would be staying?

Also you are in some kind of dreamland asking for a manager who 'we can all trust to know he will be here in the long term'. How will that work when we have fans asking for a manager to be sacked every time we hit a sticky patch??? At the beginning of Dyches career people wanted him sacked, Zola wasn't good enough, and now Beppe isn't good enough despite having the best start to a season for a decade.

Yes we have not been tested yet this year, yes our defence is a little suspect. Yes we have not been perfect, but we have made a good start and have won games that we would have drawn/lost in recent years.
Beppe seems like a ridiculously passionate man who values hard work, determination, a never say die attitude and the will to roll your sleeves up, grit your teeth and grind out a result (something we did not have under Zola) and if he can convey that to the talented set of players we have then we will be in with a great chance of getting promoted. Yesterday was a sign that perhaps his message is getting across.

Essay done. COYH.
(Still buzzing from yesterday)
Good post Stoney, Cant agree with a lot of it but you put your case over well.I am sure all of the Beppe detractors are 100% behind the Horns once on the pitch and delighted with our league position. But its good to have forums like this where we can voice our uncertainties and displeasures at certain goings on at the club. Obviously we cant all agree on everything, but as long as we respect everyones opinion and their right to voice them, and our common cause to get behind the lads on match day then all is good.
Only time will tell who was right and who was wrong ! but lets get out of this league whatever.
As ever, a typically balanced view Stoney. Bang on as far as I'm concerned. I have said before that I am unconvinced by Sannino, but qualified that by stating before the season we should expect to have 20 points from our opening ten fixtures. We are on course for that target. If a few 'senior players' are disgruntled then so be it. That is their stuff, not mine. Something strong tempted Troy to stay and I have no doubt it was simply a case for money. If this current team is winning DESPITE Sannino, then there is an argument for having no head coach at all. Ever.

So, say he does get shown the door on Monday... Who comes in to replace him. An English manager with a track record of getting international players out of the Championship - erm, who exactly is that?

And yes, Keith, who knows who is wrong or right... Or even halfway to either. But I sure am glad we have Deeney ON the pitch, regardless who is the head coach OFF it. Bring on Charlton. Another form team with a foreign coach.
To qualify: Troy NOT staying simply for more money.
[quote][p][bold]mellow yellow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KeithMercer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stoney77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rickmansworth_robert[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]llloydwithathirdl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rickmansworth_robert[/bold] wrote: The sooner he is gone the better: Still hasn't learnt english to a high enough standard. Changed the formation 3 times on Tuesday. Clueless. Didn't start Hoban today for no reason - played Ekstrand and Tamas as a wide centre back. Players don't like him - his position is not tenable in the long run. Like Di Canio, won't be able to sustain results over the season. I imagine the Pozzos have been discussing replacements and with the international break will shortly wield the axe. Maybe he can get a job at the Watford hospital.[/p][/quote]Did you watch today's game? We were fantastic. He picked the right team, played the right tactics, made the right subs at the right time. He showed passion on the touchline, and we won three hard earned points. If you can't enjoy that you should probably stop watching football.[/p][/quote]I was at the game and enjoyed it a lot - very exciting. However, we should have beaten that team 4-0 and avoided all that stress at the end. When you take all the emotion out of the last half an hour and analyse it rationally, we were very lucky to walk away with 3 points. There is no way we should have let them into the game. When Tamas was sent off (who shouldn't have even been playing in a wide centre back position in the first place) we should have been at least 2 goals clear. The amount of opportunties they had when Tamas got sent off also shows how lucky we were. Yes it was a great game to watch and the Rookery was buzzing towards the end. Has been a long time since the crowd has been so integral to a match. But if you look at the facts rather than emotions, there are a lot of negatives that lie on Sannino. Furthermore, with all this speculation (which is not just a WO conspiracy as some deluded fans argue) do you really want a manager in that position? A manager you always feel is 2 bad games from the sack (similair to Allardyce's precarious position at West Ham. It would be much better to get a manager everyone trusts that we know can be there in the long-term. Sannino is like Di Canio - his teqnique may work in the short-term but as he starts to upset more and more people the club will gradually deteriorate. As for all those that are complaning about Frank for reporting this, he is just doing his job and not making this stuff up himself. If you don't agree with anything i have said and think Sannino should stay then that's one thing, but there is no secret WO agenda to sack Sannino.[/p][/quote]It seems to me that the supporters who have the opinion that Sannino is not the man will nitpick to try and find every and any possible flaw within game to bring his management skills/coaching skills/tactical nous into doubt. It also seems that he can do no right in some peoples eyes. We lack passion on Tuesday and Sannino gets accused of being unable to motivate his players. Yet we show heart, passion, motivation and desire yesterday and the players alone get congratulated for the display, and to rub salt in the wounds it seems the tactics from the manager were still wrong. The manager makes substitutions which see us go on to win the game against Rotherham and yesterday, yet seems to not get any credit for it, and attention is drawn to the fact that a sub was made 5 minutes too late. We win ugly and by playing with grit and determination (Rotherham and yesterday) but it seems that Sannino has 'got lucky'. We should have been 4-0 up at half time but somehow this is the managers fault, not the fact that poor finishing let us down. Surely, If we 'should' be 4-0 up but aren't, then credit must be given to the manager for instilling the tactics to get the team to create the chances - not his fault the players aren't taking the chances It just seems to me that he cannot win. Yes Anya has not been great and was not great yesterday and Ekstrand over Hoban was clearly not a popular choice but fans calling for managers head because they don't agree with 2 positions is a bit OTT. Hoban by the way had a terrible last 20 mins against Rotherham, had just played 2 games in 3 days, is very young and not too long since coming back from a lengthy injury. A reason or two why he was replaced yesterday - It's not simply a black and white situation - many factors affect selection and we are not at the training ground week in week out to see who is knackered, who has a niggly injury etc etc Having said all of the above, I'm sure there are things that the 'Pro-Sannino' clan are nitpicking out in order to defend the man. It does work both ways of course but whilst we have had a good start maybe we should give the man the benefit of the doubt. With regards to the above quoted post, specifically about the club 'deteriorating'; come on fella do me a favour. Slightly dramatic. If Sannino was that bad do you think Deeney would be staying? Also you are in some kind of dreamland asking for a manager who 'we can all trust to know he will be here in the long term'. How will that work when we have fans asking for a manager to be sacked every time we hit a sticky patch??? At the beginning of Dyches career people wanted him sacked, Zola wasn't good enough, and now Beppe isn't good enough despite having the best start to a season for a decade. Yes we have not been tested yet this year, yes our defence is a little suspect. Yes we have not been perfect, but we have made a good start and have won games that we would have drawn/lost in recent years. Beppe seems like a ridiculously passionate man who values hard work, determination, a never say die attitude and the will to roll your sleeves up, grit your teeth and grind out a result (something we did not have under Zola) and if he can convey that to the talented set of players we have then we will be in with a great chance of getting promoted. Yesterday was a sign that perhaps his message is getting across. Essay done. COYH. (Still buzzing from yesterday)[/p][/quote]Good post Stoney, Cant agree with a lot of it but you put your case over well.I am sure all of the Beppe detractors are 100% behind the Horns once on the pitch and delighted with our league position. But its good to have forums like this where we can voice our uncertainties and displeasures at certain goings on at the club. Obviously we cant all agree on everything, but as long as we respect everyones opinion and their right to voice them, and our common cause to get behind the lads on match day then all is good. Only time will tell who was right and who was wrong ! but lets get out of this league whatever.[/p][/quote]As ever, a typically balanced view Stoney. Bang on as far as I'm concerned. I have said before that I am unconvinced by Sannino, but qualified that by stating before the season we should expect to have 20 points from our opening ten fixtures. We are on course for that target. If a few 'senior players' are disgruntled then so be it. That is their stuff, not mine. Something strong tempted Troy to stay and I have no doubt it was simply a case for money. If this current team is winning DESPITE Sannino, then there is an argument for having no head coach at all. Ever. So, say he does get shown the door on Monday... Who comes in to replace him. An English manager with a track record of getting international players out of the Championship - erm, who exactly is that? And yes, Keith, who knows who is wrong or right... Or even halfway to either. But I sure am glad we have Deeney ON the pitch, regardless who is the head coach OFF it. Bring on Charlton. Another form team with a foreign coach.[/p][/quote]To qualify: Troy NOT staying simply for more money. mellow yellow
  • Score: 1

12:34pm Sun 31 Aug 14

northofwatfordpete says...

lutondown wrote:
scottwfc wrote:
For fecks sake Smith, let go, grow up and move on. Accept that you aren't going to get Beppe sacked. I don't care if some of the players don't like him, I didn't like many of the people I've worked for over the years, and I expect there's precious few in your office who like you.

Results are what matter to the Pozzo's, not the biased opinions of a provincial journalist who's not got good enough to get a job with a real paper.
No Beppe will get himself sacked
Bizarre selections to say the least
A strong team spirit getting them over the line,not his coaching nous.
Don't you get it? The reporters are merely following up on reports of unrest, or do you simply want to hear happy flappy stuff regardless of the truth
Great effort from 1881 and all the rookery today
Have to agree with Lutondown here - we have a strong squad in my opinion and certainly strong enough for automatic promotion. I still believe we are under performing but have got our four wins through a mixture of individual quality and some good fortune. We will need a lot more if we are to be in the same position come May.
[quote][p][bold]lutondown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scottwfc[/bold] wrote: For fecks sake Smith, let go, grow up and move on. Accept that you aren't going to get Beppe sacked. I don't care if some of the players don't like him, I didn't like many of the people I've worked for over the years, and I expect there's precious few in your office who like you. Results are what matter to the Pozzo's, not the biased opinions of a provincial journalist who's not got good enough to get a job with a real paper.[/p][/quote]No Beppe will get himself sacked Bizarre selections to say the least A strong team spirit getting them over the line,not his coaching nous. Don't you get it? The reporters are merely following up on reports of unrest, or do you simply want to hear happy flappy stuff regardless of the truth Great effort from 1881 and all the rookery today[/p][/quote]Have to agree with Lutondown here - we have a strong squad in my opinion and certainly strong enough for automatic promotion. I still believe we are under performing but have got our four wins through a mixture of individual quality and some good fortune. We will need a lot more if we are to be in the same position come May. northofwatfordpete
  • Score: 1

12:56pm Sun 31 Aug 14

bristol hornet says...

buckler wrote:
Dead Man Walking...
p*ss off baldy!!!
[quote][p][bold]buckler[/bold] wrote: Dead Man Walking...[/p][/quote]p*ss off baldy!!! bristol hornet
  • Score: 2

12:59pm Sun 31 Aug 14

bristol hornet says...

EltonForever wrote:
I fail to understand SOME of our supporters. We are 2nd in the table. How much better could we have won this match today with a different manager, having regard to the fact that we were down to just 10 men.

I support the manager for as long as he is our manager and so should all genuine WFC supporters.

Give me a vote and show you agree!
They are not TRUE supporters my friend!

Especially Buckler and LUTONdown, both noteworthy for their support for the scum at Kenilworth Road!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]EltonForever[/bold] wrote: I fail to understand SOME of our supporters. We are 2nd in the table. How much better could we have won this match today with a different manager, having regard to the fact that we were down to just 10 men. I support the manager for as long as he is our manager and so should all genuine WFC supporters. Give me a vote and show you agree![/p][/quote]They are not TRUE supporters my friend! Especially Buckler and LUTONdown, both noteworthy for their support for the scum at Kenilworth Road!!!!!! bristol hornet
  • Score: 2

1:11pm Sun 31 Aug 14

bristol hornet says...

COGGDAVE1 wrote:
This wont stop until Smith is sacked from WO. It is obvious to everyone it is a personal thing...how unprofessional can you get ???
We have just scored 4 again, with ten men, brilliant conclusion to a great game ...Frank ..its you who have to go...not Beppe...Taxi for Smith ..!!!!
I have supported Frank Smith for many months now for his accurate posting and some really good footballing articles.

However, I thing that dear Frank has a personal vendetta against BS, and that he is now going too far!

Watch out Frank! Remember Kevin Affleck, one of your predecessors! You could end up the same way!

Hope not....just ease off the BS bashing a little!.
[quote][p][bold]COGGDAVE1[/bold] wrote: This wont stop until Smith is sacked from WO. It is obvious to everyone it is a personal thing...how unprofessional can you get ??? We have just scored 4 again, with ten men, brilliant conclusion to a great game ...Frank ..its you who have to go...not Beppe...Taxi for Smith ..!!!![/p][/quote]I have supported Frank Smith for many months now for his accurate posting and some really good footballing articles. However, I thing that dear Frank has a personal vendetta against BS, and that he is now going too far! Watch out Frank! Remember Kevin Affleck, one of your predecessors! You could end up the same way! Hope not....just ease off the BS bashing a little!. bristol hornet
  • Score: 0

1:21pm Sun 31 Aug 14

1234566789 says...

hornetsteve wrote:
Guy Bov wrote:
Good for him. Why should Sannino have to respond to rumours spread primarily on social media by those supposedly ITK

It's a results basis.... and right now he's producing them
I agree but if everything is ok behind the scenes why are the pozzos not coming out and giving there man some support a vote of confidence this would put the rumors to bed,!! until they do this situation will continue which can only surely be a bad thing, COME ON WFC COME OUT AND MAKE A STATEMENT, great all round performance, great subs made by sannino to get the result today, great performance from our supporters to lift the players in the last ten minutes hope to see&hear more of that this season!! COYH
When owners come out and 'announce their support in the manger' it more often than not leads to a sacking. I think it says more that the Pozzo's aren't saying anything at all.

For me it would be ridiculous to sack him now. If they had done it in the summer then fine but why wait until 5 matches info the season when options are limited? Especially when we are sat 2nd in the table. What manager would want to come to a club where 2nd in the table after 5 games is seen as a failure?

Frank Smith - stop it now. You did your job and reported on unrest in the squad. Fine, but leave it now. It's getting quite boring and, whether you like him or not, Sannino deserves not to be questioned about his position at the club after yet another home win!
[quote][p][bold]hornetsteve[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Guy Bov[/bold] wrote: Good for him. Why should Sannino have to respond to rumours spread primarily on social media by those supposedly ITK It's a results basis.... and right now he's producing them[/p][/quote]I agree but if everything is ok behind the scenes why are the pozzos not coming out and giving there man some support a vote of confidence this would put the rumors to bed,!! until they do this situation will continue which can only surely be a bad thing, COME ON WFC COME OUT AND MAKE A STATEMENT, great all round performance, great subs made by sannino to get the result today, great performance from our supporters to lift the players in the last ten minutes hope to see&hear more of that this season!! COYH[/p][/quote]When owners come out and 'announce their support in the manger' it more often than not leads to a sacking. I think it says more that the Pozzo's aren't saying anything at all. For me it would be ridiculous to sack him now. If they had done it in the summer then fine but why wait until 5 matches info the season when options are limited? Especially when we are sat 2nd in the table. What manager would want to come to a club where 2nd in the table after 5 games is seen as a failure? Frank Smith - stop it now. You did your job and reported on unrest in the squad. Fine, but leave it now. It's getting quite boring and, whether you like him or not, Sannino deserves not to be questioned about his position at the club after yet another home win! 1234566789
  • Score: 12

1:56pm Sun 31 Aug 14

Hampshire hornet says...

davidhornet wrote:
Hampshire hornet wrote:
Put him out of his misery and get someone else in SOON , I could get results with the squad at his disposal, plus I can speak English
Pathetic xenophobe. Look it up in the dictionary.
****
[quote][p][bold]davidhornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hampshire hornet[/bold] wrote: Put him out of his misery and get someone else in SOON , I could get results with the squad at his disposal, plus I can speak English[/p][/quote]Pathetic xenophobe. Look it up in the dictionary.[/p][/quote]**** Hampshire hornet
  • Score: -3

3:12pm Sun 31 Aug 14

corbindallas says...

1234566789 wrote:
hornetsteve wrote:
Guy Bov wrote:
Good for him. Why should Sannino have to respond to rumours spread primarily on social media by those supposedly ITK

It's a results basis.... and right now he's producing them
I agree but if everything is ok behind the scenes why are the pozzos not coming out and giving there man some support a vote of confidence this would put the rumors to bed,!! until they do this situation will continue which can only surely be a bad thing, COME ON WFC COME OUT AND MAKE A STATEMENT, great all round performance, great subs made by sannino to get the result today, great performance from our supporters to lift the players in the last ten minutes hope to see&hear more of that this season!! COYH
When owners come out and 'announce their support in the manger' it more often than not leads to a sacking. I think it says more that the Pozzo's aren't saying anything at all.

For me it would be ridiculous to sack him now. If they had done it in the summer then fine but why wait until 5 matches info the season when options are limited? Especially when we are sat 2nd in the table. What manager would want to come to a club where 2nd in the table after 5 games is seen as a failure?

Frank Smith - stop it now. You did your job and reported on unrest in the squad. Fine, but leave it now. It's getting quite boring and, whether you like him or not, Sannino deserves not to be questioned about his position at the club after yet another home win!
Why should he stop, thats his job and he is doing it, it is still making headlines as the issue has not gone away like you and others want to think, ffs listen to yourself happy clapper!
[quote][p][bold]1234566789[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hornetsteve[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Guy Bov[/bold] wrote: Good for him. Why should Sannino have to respond to rumours spread primarily on social media by those supposedly ITK It's a results basis.... and right now he's producing them[/p][/quote]I agree but if everything is ok behind the scenes why are the pozzos not coming out and giving there man some support a vote of confidence this would put the rumors to bed,!! until they do this situation will continue which can only surely be a bad thing, COME ON WFC COME OUT AND MAKE A STATEMENT, great all round performance, great subs made by sannino to get the result today, great performance from our supporters to lift the players in the last ten minutes hope to see&hear more of that this season!! COYH[/p][/quote]When owners come out and 'announce their support in the manger' it more often than not leads to a sacking. I think it says more that the Pozzo's aren't saying anything at all. For me it would be ridiculous to sack him now. If they had done it in the summer then fine but why wait until 5 matches info the season when options are limited? Especially when we are sat 2nd in the table. What manager would want to come to a club where 2nd in the table after 5 games is seen as a failure? Frank Smith - stop it now. You did your job and reported on unrest in the squad. Fine, but leave it now. It's getting quite boring and, whether you like him or not, Sannino deserves not to be questioned about his position at the club after yet another home win![/p][/quote]Why should he stop, thats his job and he is doing it, it is still making headlines as the issue has not gone away like you and others want to think, ffs listen to yourself happy clapper! corbindallas
  • Score: -6

3:34pm Sun 31 Aug 14

A Capello says...

corbindallas wrote:
1234566789 wrote:
hornetsteve wrote:
Guy Bov wrote:
Good for him. Why should Sannino have to respond to rumours spread primarily on social media by those supposedly ITK

It's a results basis.... and right now he's producing them
I agree but if everything is ok behind the scenes why are the pozzos not coming out and giving there man some support a vote of confidence this would put the rumors to bed,!! until they do this situation will continue which can only surely be a bad thing, COME ON WFC COME OUT AND MAKE A STATEMENT, great all round performance, great subs made by sannino to get the result today, great performance from our supporters to lift the players in the last ten minutes hope to see&hear more of that this season!! COYH
When owners come out and 'announce their support in the manger' it more often than not leads to a sacking. I think it says more that the Pozzo's aren't saying anything at all.

For me it would be ridiculous to sack him now. If they had done it in the summer then fine but why wait until 5 matches info the season when options are limited? Especially when we are sat 2nd in the table. What manager would want to come to a club where 2nd in the table after 5 games is seen as a failure?

Frank Smith - stop it now. You did your job and reported on unrest in the squad. Fine, but leave it now. It's getting quite boring and, whether you like him or not, Sannino deserves not to be questioned about his position at the club after yet another home win!
Why should he stop, thats his job and he is doing it, it is still making headlines as the issue has not gone away like you and others want to think, ffs listen to yourself happy clapper!
Ah, but the point is there is no new news here. Seems more like mischievous stirring. But what do we know? We don't have the "sources" eh Frank?
[quote][p][bold]corbindallas[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]1234566789[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hornetsteve[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Guy Bov[/bold] wrote: Good for him. Why should Sannino have to respond to rumours spread primarily on social media by those supposedly ITK It's a results basis.... and right now he's producing them[/p][/quote]I agree but if everything is ok behind the scenes why are the pozzos not coming out and giving there man some support a vote of confidence this would put the rumors to bed,!! until they do this situation will continue which can only surely be a bad thing, COME ON WFC COME OUT AND MAKE A STATEMENT, great all round performance, great subs made by sannino to get the result today, great performance from our supporters to lift the players in the last ten minutes hope to see&hear more of that this season!! COYH[/p][/quote]When owners come out and 'announce their support in the manger' it more often than not leads to a sacking. I think it says more that the Pozzo's aren't saying anything at all. For me it would be ridiculous to sack him now. If they had done it in the summer then fine but why wait until 5 matches info the season when options are limited? Especially when we are sat 2nd in the table. What manager would want to come to a club where 2nd in the table after 5 games is seen as a failure? Frank Smith - stop it now. You did your job and reported on unrest in the squad. Fine, but leave it now. It's getting quite boring and, whether you like him or not, Sannino deserves not to be questioned about his position at the club after yet another home win![/p][/quote]Why should he stop, thats his job and he is doing it, it is still making headlines as the issue has not gone away like you and others want to think, ffs listen to yourself happy clapper![/p][/quote]Ah, but the point is there is no new news here. Seems more like mischievous stirring. But what do we know? We don't have the "sources" eh Frank? A Capello
  • Score: 3

3:35pm Sun 31 Aug 14

buckler says...

bristol hornet wrote:
buckler wrote:
Dead Man Walking...
p*ss off baldy!!!
Only last week you were agreeing with me wurzel about the porter! Changed your deluded mind yet again? Sad ..
[quote][p][bold]bristol hornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buckler[/bold] wrote: Dead Man Walking...[/p][/quote]p*ss off baldy!!![/p][/quote]Only last week you were agreeing with me wurzel about the porter! Changed your deluded mind yet again? Sad .. buckler
  • Score: 0

4:16pm Sun 31 Aug 14

tommy gunn says...

If fans are unhappy with the present management just think Blackpool, that will make you feel much better. The Pozzos wanted a different kind of manager after the Zola regime and , by all accounts , they got what they wanted with Beppe . I would be very surprised in a change of management at the present time but, given a losing streak, now that would be a different matter altogether.,
If fans are unhappy with the present management just think Blackpool, that will make you feel much better. The Pozzos wanted a different kind of manager after the Zola regime and , by all accounts , they got what they wanted with Beppe . I would be very surprised in a change of management at the present time but, given a losing streak, now that would be a different matter altogether., tommy gunn
  • Score: -1

5:02pm Sun 31 Aug 14

Michael Sills says...

I am not bothered if Beppe cannot speak English, we are second in the league I wish people would just leave it alone and let's keep getting the results that we are getting now. There have been previous managers that couldn't speak English but they have reached the heady heights in the Premiership, such as Pochettino and Ranieri. Drop the subject and get behind Beppe and the team.
I am not bothered if Beppe cannot speak English, we are second in the league I wish people would just leave it alone and let's keep getting the results that we are getting now. There have been previous managers that couldn't speak English but they have reached the heady heights in the Premiership, such as Pochettino and Ranieri. Drop the subject and get behind Beppe and the team. Michael Sills
  • Score: 0

5:06pm Sun 31 Aug 14

andyrankin says...

parkhouse hornet wrote:
I seriously cannot believe that anyone wanting BS out at the moment is a genuine Watford fan. FFS! What more can the bloke do? Is he perfect? No. Does he make mistakes? Yes. But he is managing a team of quality players with a focus and passion we should be proud of.
With the owners, manager and squad that we currently have, we should be pinching ourselves. Some people have very short memories; anyone want Petchey or Bankrupt Bas back? Some of them would probably be happy as their desire to constantly moan and winge would be satisfied!!
If you can't support the team and club at this moment in time, there really is no hope!!
You have to separate the 3 things you mention as Beppe is not to be commended for us having a fantastic squad of talent, nor can he be responsible for the fantastic owners we have. I am a real fan, and yes, I am very excited about where the club is at the moment but that does not mean Beppe is the right man for the job. I don't know what's going on behind the scenes but then again, nor do you. I happen to think the observer has good info on the situation and I trust them more than I do you. I would imagine the unrest is more than just certain players being left out.
Carry on the work WO. sometimes reporting bad stories is part of the job, but you still have to do it.
I would also like to comment that this squad is better than having to battle every game to get the 3 points. Yes we have missed the desire for the last 3 seasons but we can't last for 46 games battling games out and getting a little lucky in most of our games. We have to get a balance.
Bottom line, this squad and this opportunity can NOT be wasted.
[quote][p][bold]parkhouse hornet[/bold] wrote: I seriously cannot believe that anyone wanting BS out at the moment is a genuine Watford fan. FFS! What more can the bloke do? Is he perfect? No. Does he make mistakes? Yes. But he is managing a team of quality players with a focus and passion we should be proud of. With the owners, manager and squad that we currently have, we should be pinching ourselves. Some people have very short memories; anyone want Petchey or Bankrupt Bas back? Some of them would probably be happy as their desire to constantly moan and winge would be satisfied!! If you can't support the team and club at this moment in time, there really is no hope!![/p][/quote]You have to separate the 3 things you mention as Beppe is not to be commended for us having a fantastic squad of talent, nor can he be responsible for the fantastic owners we have. I am a real fan, and yes, I am very excited about where the club is at the moment but that does not mean Beppe is the right man for the job. I don't know what's going on behind the scenes but then again, nor do you. I happen to think the observer has good info on the situation and I trust them more than I do you. I would imagine the unrest is more than just certain players being left out. Carry on the work WO. sometimes reporting bad stories is part of the job, but you still have to do it. I would also like to comment that this squad is better than having to battle every game to get the 3 points. Yes we have missed the desire for the last 3 seasons but we can't last for 46 games battling games out and getting a little lucky in most of our games. We have to get a balance. Bottom line, this squad and this opportunity can NOT be wasted. andyrankin
  • Score: 2

5:11pm Sun 31 Aug 14

bornyellow says...

5 games in..12/15 points...2nd in the table...and our managers job is uncertain!...dont understand it....Beppe will answer his critics with results..as he is already doing....let the man do his job.
5 games in..12/15 points...2nd in the table...and our managers job is uncertain!...dont understand it....Beppe will answer his critics with results..as he is already doing....let the man do his job. bornyellow
  • Score: 2

5:19pm Sun 31 Aug 14

bristol hornet says...

buckler wrote:
bristol hornet wrote:
buckler wrote:
Dead Man Walking...
p*ss off baldy!!!
Only last week you were agreeing with me wurzel about the porter! Changed your deluded mind yet again? Sad ..
Could NEVER agree with you and your other sad and bad baldy from the salon!

Go thou forth and urinate elsewhere.

Also 2 Kings 2:23.
[quote][p][bold]buckler[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bristol hornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buckler[/bold] wrote: Dead Man Walking...[/p][/quote]p*ss off baldy!!![/p][/quote]Only last week you were agreeing with me wurzel about the porter! Changed your deluded mind yet again? Sad ..[/p][/quote]Could NEVER agree with you and your other sad and bad baldy from the salon! Go thou forth and urinate elsewhere. Also 2 Kings 2:23. bristol hornet
  • Score: -1

5:28pm Sun 31 Aug 14

bristol hornet says...

When I saw old Beppe knocked to the floor by that Huddersfield geezer yesterday, I could not help think of poor old bald BUCKLER falling flat on his stupid fat face yet again with his outrageous and silly anti-Watford comments!

BTW folks, if you want to know who these two fat bald blokes called Buckler and Lutondown are, they are the smelly ones in the lower corner of the rookery displaying their "I Love Bas" and Luton banners!

Not too many people dare approach them, however, as they stink to high heaven, and that is why there are so many emptry seats round about them!

Oi Buckler, it smells much nicer in "Wurzel Land" than being close to you in your odourous section of our beloved rookery!!
When I saw old Beppe knocked to the floor by that Huddersfield geezer yesterday, I could not help think of poor old bald BUCKLER falling flat on his stupid fat face yet again with his outrageous and silly anti-Watford comments! BTW folks, if you want to know who these two fat bald blokes called Buckler and Lutondown are, they are the smelly ones in the lower corner of the rookery displaying their "I Love Bas" and Luton banners! Not too many people dare approach them, however, as they stink to high heaven, and that is why there are so many emptry seats round about them! Oi Buckler, it smells much nicer in "Wurzel Land" than being close to you in your odourous section of our beloved rookery!! bristol hornet
  • Score: -2

6:31pm Sun 31 Aug 14

lutondown says...

corbindallas wrote:
I really do not get this ultra pro Beppe stance, I have never settled for second best in anything and am sure as hell not going to now. Do these positive pressers look at stats? Do you really thing this all revolves around Dyer and McGugan? Do you attend the games and think after that was a comfortable win? Apart from Bolton we have fought and or been lucky for the wins, we have yet to be really challenged by the better teams apart from Norwich so far and yet by above the majority seem to be happy with things as is??? We have the most talented squad on paper for years and that still does not make comfortable football. So far I have not thought once this will be a sure win for us, and as said this is against teams who are not expected to be in for a chance at the end of the season. Those sla gging Dyer off have to ask themselves what more he can do to get in the squad than score 3 goals, if this is a personality clash then the coach should raise above it, behind the scenes fines have been dished out but it appears issues are left to fester and not moving on and forward and upwards for the great of the club, that is why Beppe is in trouble ánd why the people in charge are not happy and why Frank has a story to run with which is now gaining in the wider press. It appears our coach thinks his personality is bigger and better than anything else, you can see this even in his post match, I saw my face on the pitch wtf does that mean. Beppe has the chance to change things but it appears he does not want to add to that some strange choices means only one outcome and the sooner the better so we can move forward, aside all this had an interesting chat with a former club employee who said the club are actually looking at Zola coming back and they are not happy that players brought in under some assurances are not being respected, wonder if this is what Frank has been told also?!
Corby, we've all disagreed in the past but this is what extreme left wingers do when you say something they don't agree with...they brow beat people into shutting up or be called racists etc, a strange analogy? No, it's appropriate, a load of keyboard fannys here, shouting out abuse at any posters who won't join in their love in of a coach out of his depth. And now a campaign on a young reporter who is doing the heinous job of reporting on the club he has been commissioned to report on.
Fact is, Ekstrand was pants and was staying on until he got injured and our best defender bar none was called to duty...Anya, never delivered a ball for all his fizz and pop, and he hasn't all season...Dyer who has been slated for wanting to play, not utilised because someone is prepared to cut off his nose to spite his red nosed ridden face.
I couldn't give a flying fig for the thumbs what ever direction the tools point them and I wouldn't give a flying fig if ever we had the misfortune of meeting.
Tools are they.
[quote][p][bold]corbindallas[/bold] wrote: I really do not get this ultra pro Beppe stance, I have never settled for second best in anything and am sure as hell not going to now. Do these positive pressers look at stats? Do you really thing this all revolves around Dyer and McGugan? Do you attend the games and think after that was a comfortable win? Apart from Bolton we have fought and or been lucky for the wins, we have yet to be really challenged by the better teams apart from Norwich so far and yet by above the majority seem to be happy with things as is??? We have the most talented squad on paper for years and that still does not make comfortable football. So far I have not thought once this will be a sure win for us, and as said this is against teams who are not expected to be in for a chance at the end of the season. Those sla gging Dyer off have to ask themselves what more he can do to get in the squad than score 3 goals, if this is a personality clash then the coach should raise above it, behind the scenes fines have been dished out but it appears issues are left to fester and not moving on and forward and upwards for the great of the club, that is why Beppe is in trouble ánd why the people in charge are not happy and why Frank has a story to run with which is now gaining in the wider press. It appears our coach thinks his personality is bigger and better than anything else, you can see this even in his post match, I saw my face on the pitch wtf does that mean. Beppe has the chance to change things but it appears he does not want to add to that some strange choices means only one outcome and the sooner the better so we can move forward, aside all this had an interesting chat with a former club employee who said the club are actually looking at Zola coming back and they are not happy that players brought in under some assurances are not being respected, wonder if this is what Frank has been told also?![/p][/quote]Corby, we've all disagreed in the past but this is what extreme left wingers do when you say something they don't agree with...they brow beat people into shutting up or be called racists etc, a strange analogy? No, it's appropriate, a load of keyboard fannys here, shouting out abuse at any posters who won't join in their love in of a coach out of his depth. And now a campaign on a young reporter who is doing the heinous job of reporting on the club he has been commissioned to report on. Fact is, Ekstrand was pants and was staying on until he got injured and our best defender bar none was called to duty...Anya, never delivered a ball for all his fizz and pop, and he hasn't all season...Dyer who has been slated for wanting to play, not utilised because someone is prepared to cut off his nose to spite his red nosed ridden face. I couldn't give a flying fig for the thumbs what ever direction the tools point them and I wouldn't give a flying fig if ever we had the misfortune of meeting. Tools are they. lutondown
  • Score: 3

6:38pm Sun 31 Aug 14

1234566789 says...

corbindallas wrote:
1234566789 wrote:
hornetsteve wrote:
Guy Bov wrote:
Good for him. Why should Sannino have to respond to rumours spread primarily on social media by those supposedly ITK

It's a results basis.... and right now he's producing them
I agree but if everything is ok behind the scenes why are the pozzos not coming out and giving there man some support a vote of confidence this would put the rumors to bed,!! until they do this situation will continue which can only surely be a bad thing, COME ON WFC COME OUT AND MAKE A STATEMENT, great all round performance, great subs made by sannino to get the result today, great performance from our supporters to lift the players in the last ten minutes hope to see&hear more of that this season!! COYH
When owners come out and 'announce their support in the manger' it more often than not leads to a sacking. I think it says more that the Pozzo's aren't saying anything at all.

For me it would be ridiculous to sack him now. If they had done it in the summer then fine but why wait until 5 matches info the season when options are limited? Especially when we are sat 2nd in the table. What manager would want to come to a club where 2nd in the table after 5 games is seen as a failure?

Frank Smith - stop it now. You did your job and reported on unrest in the squad. Fine, but leave it now. It's getting quite boring and, whether you like him or not, Sannino deserves not to be questioned about his position at the club after yet another home win!
Why should he stop, thats his job and he is doing it, it is still making headlines as the issue has not gone away like you and others want to think, ffs listen to yourself happy clapper!
It was his job to report it in the first place (as I said above) but to continue bringing it up? Seems strange.

Yes, I am happy - we are 2nd in the table. And yes, I have done lots of clapping - especially when we scored each of the 11 goals in the last 3 home league games. As far as I can tell, 'happy clapper' seems to mean fan of the club. Everyone who has an opinion that isn't 'sack the manager' is referred to this way. Why?
[quote][p][bold]corbindallas[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]1234566789[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hornetsteve[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Guy Bov[/bold] wrote: Good for him. Why should Sannino have to respond to rumours spread primarily on social media by those supposedly ITK It's a results basis.... and right now he's producing them[/p][/quote]I agree but if everything is ok behind the scenes why are the pozzos not coming out and giving there man some support a vote of confidence this would put the rumors to bed,!! until they do this situation will continue which can only surely be a bad thing, COME ON WFC COME OUT AND MAKE A STATEMENT, great all round performance, great subs made by sannino to get the result today, great performance from our supporters to lift the players in the last ten minutes hope to see&hear more of that this season!! COYH[/p][/quote]When owners come out and 'announce their support in the manger' it more often than not leads to a sacking. I think it says more that the Pozzo's aren't saying anything at all. For me it would be ridiculous to sack him now. If they had done it in the summer then fine but why wait until 5 matches info the season when options are limited? Especially when we are sat 2nd in the table. What manager would want to come to a club where 2nd in the table after 5 games is seen as a failure? Frank Smith - stop it now. You did your job and reported on unrest in the squad. Fine, but leave it now. It's getting quite boring and, whether you like him or not, Sannino deserves not to be questioned about his position at the club after yet another home win![/p][/quote]Why should he stop, thats his job and he is doing it, it is still making headlines as the issue has not gone away like you and others want to think, ffs listen to yourself happy clapper![/p][/quote]It was his job to report it in the first place (as I said above) but to continue bringing it up? Seems strange. Yes, I am happy - we are 2nd in the table. And yes, I have done lots of clapping - especially when we scored each of the 11 goals in the last 3 home league games. As far as I can tell, 'happy clapper' seems to mean fan of the club. Everyone who has an opinion that isn't 'sack the manager' is referred to this way. Why? 1234566789
  • Score: 6

6:42pm Sun 31 Aug 14

buckler says...

bristol hornet wrote:
When I saw old Beppe knocked to the floor by that Huddersfield geezer yesterday, I could not help think of poor old bald BUCKLER falling flat on his stupid fat face yet again with his outrageous and silly anti-Watford comments!

BTW folks, if you want to know who these two fat bald blokes called Buckler and Lutondown are, they are the smelly ones in the lower corner of the rookery displaying their "I Love Bas" and Luton banners!

Not too many people dare approach them, however, as they stink to high heaven, and that is why there are so many emptry seats round about them!

Oi Buckler, it smells much nicer in "Wurzel Land" than being close to you in your odourous section of our beloved rookery!!
Please come and have a chat in person wurzel ! I promise to put some old spice on .. Need to iron this out ?
[quote][p][bold]bristol hornet[/bold] wrote: When I saw old Beppe knocked to the floor by that Huddersfield geezer yesterday, I could not help think of poor old bald BUCKLER falling flat on his stupid fat face yet again with his outrageous and silly anti-Watford comments! BTW folks, if you want to know who these two fat bald blokes called Buckler and Lutondown are, they are the smelly ones in the lower corner of the rookery displaying their "I Love Bas" and Luton banners! Not too many people dare approach them, however, as they stink to high heaven, and that is why there are so many emptry seats round about them! Oi Buckler, it smells much nicer in "Wurzel Land" than being close to you in your odourous section of our beloved rookery!![/p][/quote]Please come and have a chat in person wurzel ! I promise to put some old spice on .. Need to iron this out ? buckler
  • Score: 2

6:44pm Sun 31 Aug 14

SJM...laugh at luton says...

Sky have reported Garcia to become new manager of Watford in next few days...ex Brighton manager
Sky have reported Garcia to become new manager of Watford in next few days...ex Brighton manager SJM...laugh at luton
  • Score: 0

7:55pm Sun 31 Aug 14

No Wheels says...

lutondown wrote:
corbindallas wrote:
I really do not get this ultra pro Beppe stance, I have never settled for second best in anything and am sure as hell not going to now. Do these positive pressers look at stats? Do you really thing this all revolves around Dyer and McGugan? Do you attend the games and think after that was a comfortable win? Apart from Bolton we have fought and or been lucky for the wins, we have yet to be really challenged by the better teams apart from Norwich so far and yet by above the majority seem to be happy with things as is??? We have the most talented squad on paper for years and that still does not make comfortable football. So far I have not thought once this will be a sure win for us, and as said this is against teams who are not expected to be in for a chance at the end of the season. Those sla gging Dyer off have to ask themselves what more he can do to get in the squad than score 3 goals, if this is a personality clash then the coach should raise above it, behind the scenes fines have been dished out but it appears issues are left to fester and not moving on and forward and upwards for the great of the club, that is why Beppe is in trouble ánd why the people in charge are not happy and why Frank has a story to run with which is now gaining in the wider press. It appears our coach thinks his personality is bigger and better than anything else, you can see this even in his post match, I saw my face on the pitch wtf does that mean. Beppe has the chance to change things but it appears he does not want to add to that some strange choices means only one outcome and the sooner the better so we can move forward, aside all this had an interesting chat with a former club employee who said the club are actually looking at Zola coming back and they are not happy that players brought in under some assurances are not being respected, wonder if this is what Frank has been told also?!
Corby, we've all disagreed in the past but this is what extreme left wingers do when you say something they don't agree with...they brow beat people into shutting up or be called racists etc, a strange analogy? No, it's appropriate, a load of keyboard fannys here, shouting out abuse at any posters who won't join in their love in of a coach out of his depth. And now a campaign on a young reporter who is doing the heinous job of reporting on the club he has been commissioned to report on.
Fact is, Ekstrand was pants and was staying on until he got injured and our best defender bar none was called to duty...Anya, never delivered a ball for all his fizz and pop, and he hasn't all season...Dyer who has been slated for wanting to play, not utilised because someone is prepared to cut off his nose to spite his red nosed ridden face.
I couldn't give a flying fig for the thumbs what ever direction the tools point them and I wouldn't give a flying fig if ever we had the misfortune of meeting.
Tools are they.
"Fact is, Ekstrand was pants and was staying on until he got injured and our best defender bar none was called to duty..."

As fact's go, that not especialy high in factual content, is it? When did Ekstrand get injured and who replaced him?
[quote][p][bold]lutondown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]corbindallas[/bold] wrote: I really do not get this ultra pro Beppe stance, I have never settled for second best in anything and am sure as hell not going to now. Do these positive pressers look at stats? Do you really thing this all revolves around Dyer and McGugan? Do you attend the games and think after that was a comfortable win? Apart from Bolton we have fought and or been lucky for the wins, we have yet to be really challenged by the better teams apart from Norwich so far and yet by above the majority seem to be happy with things as is??? We have the most talented squad on paper for years and that still does not make comfortable football. So far I have not thought once this will be a sure win for us, and as said this is against teams who are not expected to be in for a chance at the end of the season. Those sla gging Dyer off have to ask themselves what more he can do to get in the squad than score 3 goals, if this is a personality clash then the coach should raise above it, behind the scenes fines have been dished out but it appears issues are left to fester and not moving on and forward and upwards for the great of the club, that is why Beppe is in trouble ánd why the people in charge are not happy and why Frank has a story to run with which is now gaining in the wider press. It appears our coach thinks his personality is bigger and better than anything else, you can see this even in his post match, I saw my face on the pitch wtf does that mean. Beppe has the chance to change things but it appears he does not want to add to that some strange choices means only one outcome and the sooner the better so we can move forward, aside all this had an interesting chat with a former club employee who said the club are actually looking at Zola coming back and they are not happy that players brought in under some assurances are not being respected, wonder if this is what Frank has been told also?![/p][/quote]Corby, we've all disagreed in the past but this is what extreme left wingers do when you say something they don't agree with...they brow beat people into shutting up or be called racists etc, a strange analogy? No, it's appropriate, a load of keyboard fannys here, shouting out abuse at any posters who won't join in their love in of a coach out of his depth. And now a campaign on a young reporter who is doing the heinous job of reporting on the club he has been commissioned to report on. Fact is, Ekstrand was pants and was staying on until he got injured and our best defender bar none was called to duty...Anya, never delivered a ball for all his fizz and pop, and he hasn't all season...Dyer who has been slated for wanting to play, not utilised because someone is prepared to cut off his nose to spite his red nosed ridden face. I couldn't give a flying fig for the thumbs what ever direction the tools point them and I wouldn't give a flying fig if ever we had the misfortune of meeting. Tools are they.[/p][/quote]"Fact is, Ekstrand was pants and was staying on until he got injured and our best defender bar none was called to duty..." As fact's go, that not especialy high in factual content, is it? When did Ekstrand get injured and who replaced him? No Wheels
  • Score: 0

8:03pm Sun 31 Aug 14

buckler says...

Guy Bov wrote:
buckler wrote:
Monday can't wait..
Are you going to a apologise if nothing happens on Monday?
Hahaha listen to your uncle buck.. He's always right!
[quote][p][bold]Guy Bov[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buckler[/bold] wrote: Monday can't wait..[/p][/quote]Are you going to a apologise if nothing happens on Monday?[/p][/quote]Hahaha listen to your uncle buck.. He's always right! buckler
  • Score: 5

8:20pm Sun 31 Aug 14

UHORNS1 says...

There are some people on this thread who will have to eat some humble pie and plenty of it
There are some people on this thread who will have to eat some humble pie and plenty of it UHORNS1
  • Score: 2

8:31pm Sun 31 Aug 14

hornetsteve says...

corbindallas wrote:
1234566789 wrote:
hornetsteve wrote:
Guy Bov wrote:
Good for him. Why should Sannino have to respond to rumours spread primarily on social media by those supposedly ITK

It's a results basis.... and right now he's producing them
I agree but if everything is ok behind the scenes why are the pozzos not coming out and giving there man some support a vote of confidence this would put the rumors to bed,!! until they do this situation will continue which can only surely be a bad thing, COME ON WFC COME OUT AND MAKE A STATEMENT, great all round performance, great subs made by sannino to get the result today, great performance from our supporters to lift the players in the last ten minutes hope to see&hear more of that this season!! COYH
When owners come out and 'announce their support in the manger' it more often than not leads to a sacking. I think it says more that the Pozzo's aren't saying anything at all.

For me it would be ridiculous to sack him now. If they had done it in the summer then fine but why wait until 5 matches info the season when options are limited? Especially when we are sat 2nd in the table. What manager would want to come to a club where 2nd in the table after 5 games is seen as a failure?

Frank Smith - stop it now. You did your job and reported on unrest in the squad. Fine, but leave it now. It's getting quite boring and, whether you like him or not, Sannino deserves not to be questioned about his position at the club after yet another home win!
Why should he stop, thats his job and he is doing it, it is still making headlines as the issue has not gone away like you and others want to think, ffs listen to yourself happy clapper!
the pozzos silence over the last 10 days says it all franks sources were spot on looks like the big fall out before the last game were never sorted out & the players have been playing for there employers & not the manager !! id like to see a experienced, championship manager brian mcdermot & nigel gibbs as defensive coach, but more likely another Italian my moneys on a long shot filipo galli !!!
[quote][p][bold]corbindallas[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]1234566789[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hornetsteve[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Guy Bov[/bold] wrote: Good for him. Why should Sannino have to respond to rumours spread primarily on social media by those supposedly ITK It's a results basis.... and right now he's producing them[/p][/quote]I agree but if everything is ok behind the scenes why are the pozzos not coming out and giving there man some support a vote of confidence this would put the rumors to bed,!! until they do this situation will continue which can only surely be a bad thing, COME ON WFC COME OUT AND MAKE A STATEMENT, great all round performance, great subs made by sannino to get the result today, great performance from our supporters to lift the players in the last ten minutes hope to see&hear more of that this season!! COYH[/p][/quote]When owners come out and 'announce their support in the manger' it more often than not leads to a sacking. I think it says more that the Pozzo's aren't saying anything at all. For me it would be ridiculous to sack him now. If they had done it in the summer then fine but why wait until 5 matches info the season when options are limited? Especially when we are sat 2nd in the table. What manager would want to come to a club where 2nd in the table after 5 games is seen as a failure? Frank Smith - stop it now. You did your job and reported on unrest in the squad. Fine, but leave it now. It's getting quite boring and, whether you like him or not, Sannino deserves not to be questioned about his position at the club after yet another home win![/p][/quote]Why should he stop, thats his job and he is doing it, it is still making headlines as the issue has not gone away like you and others want to think, ffs listen to yourself happy clapper![/p][/quote]the pozzos silence over the last 10 days says it all franks sources were spot on looks like the big fall out before the last game were never sorted out & the players have been playing for there employers & not the manager !! id like to see a experienced, championship manager brian mcdermot & nigel gibbs as defensive coach, but more likely another Italian my moneys on a long shot filipo galli !!! hornetsteve
  • Score: -1

8:37pm Sun 31 Aug 14

rickmansworth_robert says...

Looks like I was right
Looks like I was right rickmansworth_robert
  • Score: 0

8:41pm Sun 31 Aug 14

lutondown says...

UHORNS1 wrote:
There are some people on this thread who will have to eat some humble pie and plenty of it
They'll never do that, too busy mounting a sack frank campaign for being ......right....
******* the lot of them, and I'd say it to everyone of their stupid faces
[quote][p][bold]UHORNS1[/bold] wrote: There are some people on this thread who will have to eat some humble pie and plenty of it[/p][/quote]They'll never do that, too busy mounting a sack frank campaign for being ......right.... ******* the lot of them, and I'd say it to everyone of their stupid faces lutondown
  • Score: 1

8:46pm Sun 31 Aug 14

lutondown says...

Frank was right
The tools were wrong
Buckler called it
They cried like Mongs
Coccos great
We love him lots
We clap and smile
Because we are twots
Bristols rubbing his ample breast
And no wheels has no car, no jest
123456789
All he does is effing whine
Cornet writes his daft lament
But Coccos gone
And It's heaven sent
Frank was right The tools were wrong Buckler called it They cried like Mongs Coccos great We love him lots We clap and smile Because we are twots Bristols rubbing his ample breast And no wheels has no car, no jest 123456789 All he does is effing whine Cornet writes his daft lament But Coccos gone And It's heaven sent lutondown
  • Score: 3

10:11pm Sun 31 Aug 14

corbindallas says...

lutondown wrote:
UHORNS1 wrote:
There are some people on this thread who will have to eat some humble pie and plenty of it
They'll never do that, too busy mounting a sack frank campaign for being ......right....
******* the lot of them, and I'd say it to everyone of their stupid faces
They need to take their rose tinted glasses off if they thought he was a acceptable head coach as well, but won't be holding my breath on that either.
[quote][p][bold]lutondown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]UHORNS1[/bold] wrote: There are some people on this thread who will have to eat some humble pie and plenty of it[/p][/quote]They'll never do that, too busy mounting a sack frank campaign for being ......right.... ******* the lot of them, and I'd say it to everyone of their stupid faces[/p][/quote]They need to take their rose tinted glasses off if they thought he was a acceptable head coach as well, but won't be holding my breath on that either. corbindallas
  • Score: 0

10:27pm Sun 31 Aug 14

corbindallas says...

lutondown wrote:
corbindallas wrote:
I really do not get this ultra pro Beppe stance, I have never settled for second best in anything and am sure as hell not going to now. Do these positive pressers look at stats? Do you really thing this all revolves around Dyer and McGugan? Do you attend the games and think after that was a comfortable win? Apart from Bolton we have fought and or been lucky for the wins, we have yet to be really challenged by the better teams apart from Norwich so far and yet by above the majority seem to be happy with things as is??? We have the most talented squad on paper for years and that still does not make comfortable football. So far I have not thought once this will be a sure win for us, and as said this is against teams who are not expected to be in for a chance at the end of the season. Those sla gging Dyer off have to ask themselves what more he can do to get in the squad than score 3 goals, if this is a personality clash then the coach should raise above it, behind the scenes fines have been dished out but it appears issues are left to fester and not moving on and forward and upwards for the great of the club, that is why Beppe is in trouble ánd why the people in charge are not happy and why Frank has a story to run with which is now gaining in the wider press. It appears our coach thinks his personality is bigger and better than anything else, you can see this even in his post match, I saw my face on the pitch wtf does that mean. Beppe has the chance to change things but it appears he does not want to add to that some strange choices means only one outcome and the sooner the better so we can move forward, aside all this had an interesting chat with a former club employee who said the club are actually looking at Zola coming back and they are not happy that players brought in under some assurances are not being respected, wonder if this is what Frank has been told also?!
Corby, we've all disagreed in the past but this is what extreme left wingers do when you say something they don't agree with...they brow beat people into shutting up or be called racists etc, a strange analogy? No, it's appropriate, a load of keyboard fannys here, shouting out abuse at any posters who won't join in their love in of a coach out of his depth. And now a campaign on a young reporter who is doing the heinous job of reporting on the club he has been commissioned to report on.
Fact is, Ekstrand was pants and was staying on until he got injured and our best defender bar none was called to duty...Anya, never delivered a ball for all his fizz and pop, and he hasn't all season...Dyer who has been slated for wanting to play, not utilised because someone is prepared to cut off his nose to spite his red nosed ridden face.
I couldn't give a flying fig for the thumbs what ever direction the tools point them and I wouldn't give a flying fig if ever we had the misfortune of meeting.
Tools are they.
Never mind most will be back at school next week perhaps they will learn to respect their elders and wisers peers lol. Seriously tho why the hell did they not see how he was pulling us down?? I am baffled by this as it was there to see plain and clear last and this season. Garcia, Zola, or another now, hopefully onward and upwards with a man who respects the players and knows the business he is in from top to bottom and not another stop gap!
[quote][p][bold]lutondown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]corbindallas[/bold] wrote: I really do not get this ultra pro Beppe stance, I have never settled for second best in anything and am sure as hell not going to now. Do these positive pressers look at stats? Do you really thing this all revolves around Dyer and McGugan? Do you attend the games and think after that was a comfortable win? Apart from Bolton we have fought and or been lucky for the wins, we have yet to be really challenged by the better teams apart from Norwich so far and yet by above the majority seem to be happy with things as is??? We have the most talented squad on paper for years and that still does not make comfortable football. So far I have not thought once this will be a sure win for us, and as said this is against teams who are not expected to be in for a chance at the end of the season. Those sla gging Dyer off have to ask themselves what more he can do to get in the squad than score 3 goals, if this is a personality clash then the coach should raise above it, behind the scenes fines have been dished out but it appears issues are left to fester and not moving on and forward and upwards for the great of the club, that is why Beppe is in trouble ánd why the people in charge are not happy and why Frank has a story to run with which is now gaining in the wider press. It appears our coach thinks his personality is bigger and better than anything else, you can see this even in his post match, I saw my face on the pitch wtf does that mean. Beppe has the chance to change things but it appears he does not want to add to that some strange choices means only one outcome and the sooner the better so we can move forward, aside all this had an interesting chat with a former club employee who said the club are actually looking at Zola coming back and they are not happy that players brought in under some assurances are not being respected, wonder if this is what Frank has been told also?![/p][/quote]Corby, we've all disagreed in the past but this is what extreme left wingers do when you say something they don't agree with...they brow beat people into shutting up or be called racists etc, a strange analogy? No, it's appropriate, a load of keyboard fannys here, shouting out abuse at any posters who won't join in their love in of a coach out of his depth. And now a campaign on a young reporter who is doing the heinous job of reporting on the club he has been commissioned to report on. Fact is, Ekstrand was pants and was staying on until he got injured and our best defender bar none was called to duty...Anya, never delivered a ball for all his fizz and pop, and he hasn't all season...Dyer who has been slated for wanting to play, not utilised because someone is prepared to cut off his nose to spite his red nosed ridden face. I couldn't give a flying fig for the thumbs what ever direction the tools point them and I wouldn't give a flying fig if ever we had the misfortune of meeting. Tools are they.[/p][/quote]Never mind most will be back at school next week perhaps they will learn to respect their elders and wisers peers lol. Seriously tho why the hell did they not see how he was pulling us down?? I am baffled by this as it was there to see plain and clear last and this season. Garcia, Zola, or another now, hopefully onward and upwards with a man who respects the players and knows the business he is in from top to bottom and not another stop gap! corbindallas
  • Score: 0
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