Aidy: It was a fair result
11:23am Sunday 16th December 2007
Comments (54)AIDY BOOTHROYD declined to use the Al Bangura case as a mitigating factor behind another wretched home display by his stuttering side, insisting the 1-0 defeat at the hands of Plymouth was a "fair result".
"It would be a great opportunity for me to blame the Al Bangura situation, to blame flu and to blame injuries but that is all part of a season," said the manager. "We are professionals and we have to get on with it so I wouldn't use that as an excuse.
"We are very disappointed to have lost the game," he added. "We had enough chances to win but we also had enough warnings to lose it. We didn't heed those warnings and didn't take those chances so therefore it is a fair result."
Boothroyd did little to prevent his side from sliding to yet another home defeat. He took too long to replace the ineffective Tamas Priskin with Nathan Ellington, strangely replaced the lively Lionel Ainsworth at half-time, and played Tommy Smith - Watford's most influential player of late - out of position on the left.
"Lionel came in and did reasonably well," said the manager. "He was never going to come in and be a regular but he reminds me of Aaron Lennon. He has got a bit to do but he'll be a terrific player."
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Mark, Watford says...
1:33pm Sun 16 Dec 07
Do something about it so we get "fair wins"!
Voice of reason, Watford says...
1:37pm Sun 16 Dec 07
Bad luck Boofers.....
What about playing for a draw at home instead of going gunho and rely on the points gained away!
You can't do anything wrong in my eyes....
Love from me.
What about playing for a draw at home instead of going gunho and rely on the points gained away!
You can't do anything wrong in my eyes....
Love from me.
smiler, bretagne says...
1:48pm Sun 16 Dec 07
Well, you gotta hand it to the gaffer. He is honest and takes the responsibility. I agree, with nick middlesex. The only way is up now. All the teams around us and indeed in this division are a much of a muchness. Come on!
I also know that Colin and Affleck are one the same. I asked for one of Colins vicious posts to be removed last week......and it wasn't, despite asking on three separate occasions. I wonder why?
I also know that Colin and Affleck are one the same. I asked for one of Colins vicious posts to be removed last week......and it wasn't, despite asking on three separate occasions. I wonder why?
Undeluded, seeing it how it is says...
2:31pm Sun 16 Dec 07
"the only way is up"???
hahaha! you gotta be joking mate! WFC have just given up the highest spot they're likely to reach in a long, long time! it's all downhill from now and that direction is infinite - I can see WFC playing against the likes of Bushey Rangers in a few seasons time! ... if they're lucky!!!
hahaha! you gotta be joking mate! WFC have just given up the highest spot they're likely to reach in a long, long time! it's all downhill from now and that direction is infinite - I can see WFC playing against the likes of Bushey Rangers in a few seasons time! ... if they're lucky!!!
colin, says...
2:42pm Sun 16 Dec 07
Smiler
God help free speech and democracy if you ever became prime minister.
The whole purpose of message boards is about the free exchange of views and information. If anything it is the would-be censors such as yourself who should be removed.
How arrogant to think that just because you find a post offensive that the WO will remove it. Who the hell do you think you are?
You're Stalnist sensibilities will only alienate you further from the majority of posters on here.
I have long held the view that I may not agree with what you say but will defend your right to say it.
And they say a few people can't control the world? Clearly simler is the sheep dog that coerces the sheep into line.
Get a life and grow up...i'm expressing an opinion, nothing more. Just because it offends your rather naive and rosey perception of the club, too bad.
One more thing. I may be expressing an opinion but I can also back it up with some facts. Our current form is nothing short of relegation form and if we continue in this vein for the next four or five games that we could be propping up mid table before we know it.
So what has gone wrong? Quite simply our luck has run out. Performance wise, we are no different to what we were at the beginning of the season. Teams have simply learnt how to counter what we have to offer.
In a way I blame Ben Foster for our predicament....hold on let me finish.
Fosters brilliance last season saved us from being mauled on a regular basis, giving results a respectability that the performances hardly deserved. Boofers was lulled into a false sense of confidence, therefore believing that this largely mediocre team was good enough for a top two finish. Sadly, as ive been saying all along, this team will only be capable of a top ten finish at best.
January will be memorable, i fear, for all the wrong reasons: the sale of Marlon King and more missed opportunities to bring in players of the required quality. After all, who is going to want to play for the club now? Once again, the summer transfer window was not used in the way it should have been.
If I was Mr Simpson, I really would be on the look out for a new manager because this guy clearly is way out of his depth.
God help free speech and democracy if you ever became prime minister.
The whole purpose of message boards is about the free exchange of views and information. If anything it is the would-be censors such as yourself who should be removed.
How arrogant to think that just because you find a post offensive that the WO will remove it. Who the hell do you think you are?
You're Stalnist sensibilities will only alienate you further from the majority of posters on here.
I have long held the view that I may not agree with what you say but will defend your right to say it.
And they say a few people can't control the world? Clearly simler is the sheep dog that coerces the sheep into line.
Get a life and grow up...i'm expressing an opinion, nothing more. Just because it offends your rather naive and rosey perception of the club, too bad.
One more thing. I may be expressing an opinion but I can also back it up with some facts. Our current form is nothing short of relegation form and if we continue in this vein for the next four or five games that we could be propping up mid table before we know it.
So what has gone wrong? Quite simply our luck has run out. Performance wise, we are no different to what we were at the beginning of the season. Teams have simply learnt how to counter what we have to offer.
In a way I blame Ben Foster for our predicament....hold on let me finish.
Fosters brilliance last season saved us from being mauled on a regular basis, giving results a respectability that the performances hardly deserved. Boofers was lulled into a false sense of confidence, therefore believing that this largely mediocre team was good enough for a top two finish. Sadly, as ive been saying all along, this team will only be capable of a top ten finish at best.
January will be memorable, i fear, for all the wrong reasons: the sale of Marlon King and more missed opportunities to bring in players of the required quality. After all, who is going to want to play for the club now? Once again, the summer transfer window was not used in the way it should have been.
If I was Mr Simpson, I really would be on the look out for a new manager because this guy clearly is way out of his depth.
Mark, Watford says...
2:51pm Sun 16 Dec 07
So why did we get promoted 2 seasons ago if he was "clearly out of his deapth..."?
Was it just down to the players?
Was it just down to the players?
Bill, watford says...
3:56pm Sun 16 Dec 07
Colin - the point is you
aren't expressing an opinion - you're launching a personal attack on Aidy Boothroyd. You only have to look at any post you have every written to see this.
According to the WO
"Please treat other people with respect. You must not post anything that is abusive, indecent, unlawful or defamatory"
The fact that everything you write about AB and WFC is all of the above, should be enough to have your posts removed. If you have the freedom to write your poisonous garbage, others should have the freedom to complain about it.
aren't expressing an opinion - you're launching a personal attack on Aidy Boothroyd. You only have to look at any post you have every written to see this.
According to the WO
"Please treat other people with respect. You must not post anything that is abusive, indecent, unlawful or defamatory"
The fact that everything you write about AB and WFC is all of the above, should be enough to have your posts removed. If you have the freedom to write your poisonous garbage, others should have the freedom to complain about it.
doogle4, bovy says...
4:25pm Sun 16 Dec 07
This site is great for people who want to debate and chat about one thing we have in common, WFC.. personal attacks on boothroyd like "the prat must go" are not needed and could still be said without being offensive .. Everyone has a right to speak and i enjoy seeing other peoples perspectives on things.
I will just wait to see the doom merchants give us a positive post, I am sure its in them somewhere ...
I will just wait to see the doom merchants give us a positive post, I am sure its in them somewhere ...
chris, hemel says...
4:32pm Sun 16 Dec 07
Bill,
Whilst I don't often agree with the comments from Colin, he is absolutely right to be able to express his opinion as he sees it.
There was a time when you could do the same on the WFC Fans Forum, until GS threw his toys out of the pram and shut it, just because he didn't like what was being said. Free speech eh!!
Another point about Colins criticism of AB. How many other managers would still be in a job with the same home record as AB has achieved over the past 2 seasons?
Lets face it, we have been watching appalling quality football and some supporters are understandably complaining. How many games can you honestly say you left feeling we played really well? I bet you could count the number on one hand.
So just accept the fact that some people are being critical of the quality of football being dished up which you can't deny is rubbish.
Whilst I don't often agree with the comments from Colin, he is absolutely right to be able to express his opinion as he sees it.
There was a time when you could do the same on the WFC Fans Forum, until GS threw his toys out of the pram and shut it, just because he didn't like what was being said. Free speech eh!!
Another point about Colins criticism of AB. How many other managers would still be in a job with the same home record as AB has achieved over the past 2 seasons?
Lets face it, we have been watching appalling quality football and some supporters are understandably complaining. How many games can you honestly say you left feeling we played really well? I bet you could count the number on one hand.
So just accept the fact that some people are being critical of the quality of football being dished up which you can't deny is rubbish.
It was definately, Side says...
4:55pm Sun 16 Dec 07
Sorry to go off topic with the game but, did anyone notice on tv against Stoke the other week, when the Cameras were pointing at Graham Simpson and and Ashton... they were peeing themselves with laughter, wonder what all that was about?
Bill, watford says...
5:11pm Sun 16 Dec 07
Chris - I have absolutely no problem with anyone expressing an opinion about our football, as it is absolutely abysmal at the moment! I hate the way we are playing and the plain fact there is no plan B when things don't work out.
My issues are regarding the personal attacks on the management and players.
By all means have a moan about tactics and substitutions etc, but just being plain abusive is unecessary. If you look at every WFC thread on this forum there appears to be an attack on AB, whether its related to the relevant topic or not.
No one should be denied an opinion, but certain people are just using this forum to personally abuse individuals from the club they allegedly "support".
Bearing in mind the bigger problems we have with Al Bangura's situation, how stupid must we look if we're calling for our manager's head, despite being 2nd in the league? There's still more than half a season left to play for - if we screw up at the end, then by all means make your protest loud and clear to the board.
With a lot still at stake, let's just stick together for once and get behind the club. Any chance the team have have getting back on track could be derailed by the very people who support them.
We all would have taken being second at this stage of the season even if we have done it by reversing into that spot!
My issues are regarding the personal attacks on the management and players.
By all means have a moan about tactics and substitutions etc, but just being plain abusive is unecessary. If you look at every WFC thread on this forum there appears to be an attack on AB, whether its related to the relevant topic or not.
No one should be denied an opinion, but certain people are just using this forum to personally abuse individuals from the club they allegedly "support".
Bearing in mind the bigger problems we have with Al Bangura's situation, how stupid must we look if we're calling for our manager's head, despite being 2nd in the league? There's still more than half a season left to play for - if we screw up at the end, then by all means make your protest loud and clear to the board.
With a lot still at stake, let's just stick together for once and get behind the club. Any chance the team have have getting back on track could be derailed by the very people who support them.
We all would have taken being second at this stage of the season even if we have done it by reversing into that spot!
colin, says...
5:57pm Sun 16 Dec 07
Yes but you're missing the point....its a false position. If we continue as we - and there is little evidence the manager has what it takes to turn things around - then we'll quickly sink to mid table, clearly where this team really should be.
Considering we've just come out of the premiership we really should be doing much better.
There really is very little to cheer about. Clearly the losing habit still has its grip on the players...as does the tendency to lose late goals.
Does Boofers have an explanation? Does he have a plan B? Does he hell...
If he stays next season it will be a relegation battle. You'll see. The team are in free fall and something drastic needs to happen to arrest this alarming clump. This is no blip...it is a deepening crisis.
Considering we've just come out of the premiership we really should be doing much better.
There really is very little to cheer about. Clearly the losing habit still has its grip on the players...as does the tendency to lose late goals.
Does Boofers have an explanation? Does he have a plan B? Does he hell...
If he stays next season it will be a relegation battle. You'll see. The team are in free fall and something drastic needs to happen to arrest this alarming clump. This is no blip...it is a deepening crisis.
steve, hemel hempstead says...
6:39pm Sun 16 Dec 07
Guys,
I think you are all missing the point, Colin is the only person that is not watching from the stands with the blinkered opinion of "its ok were still at the top" attitude.
Aidy has spent over 8m on players that are simply not up to the job.
We were awful in the prem, but because we were their everybody had the school of thought that it was ok, we are now losing to burnley, Bristol, Plymouth and Barnsley, who have not spent 8m between them.
Aidy has taken us as far as he can, if you listen to the fans its not that we are losing it is the manner in which we are getting beat.
Colin pays his money as i do, and we are entitled to our opinion, and anyone that accepts the rubbish we have played over the last 16 months must be mad.
Be honest with yourselves and think what the legend that is GT would have done with all that money.
He definetly would not have bought, Kabba, Ellington, Powell, Stewart, Priskin, MCnuff, Poom, jackson, Rhnaldi, Ashekodi, Hoskins, Francis, the list is endless
I think you are all missing the point, Colin is the only person that is not watching from the stands with the blinkered opinion of "its ok were still at the top" attitude.
Aidy has spent over 8m on players that are simply not up to the job.
We were awful in the prem, but because we were their everybody had the school of thought that it was ok, we are now losing to burnley, Bristol, Plymouth and Barnsley, who have not spent 8m between them.
Aidy has taken us as far as he can, if you listen to the fans its not that we are losing it is the manner in which we are getting beat.
Colin pays his money as i do, and we are entitled to our opinion, and anyone that accepts the rubbish we have played over the last 16 months must be mad.
Be honest with yourselves and think what the legend that is GT would have done with all that money.
He definetly would not have bought, Kabba, Ellington, Powell, Stewart, Priskin, MCnuff, Poom, jackson, Rhnaldi, Ashekodi, Hoskins, Francis, the list is endless
Smith, Bushey says...
7:41pm Sun 16 Dec 07
I think we should do a swap with the sierra leone cult. give them stewart and throw in mahon. 2 for the price of 1 is a good deal
Neil Young, Broken Arrow says...
8:14pm Sun 16 Dec 07
The fact is, that probably 15 teams in our division could be in our shoes (2nd) and us in theirs but for some luck. Ignore the points and look at the goals, WBA are well ahead but the rest.....? However the same is true of the bottom half of the top division. Which of them would be trail blazing in our position? I don't think any of them would be. You have to accept there is a way to go and luck will have a lot to do with it. Having said that, if all fans stay behind the team at home games, like the travelling horns do, (save the moans for the pubs) it can only help.
ozzy, londonn says...
8:31pm Sun 16 Dec 07
smiler wrote:hav yu takin my posts of/
Well, you gotta hand it to the gaffer. He is honest and takes the responsibility. I agree, with nick middlesex. The only way is up now. All the teams around us and indeed in this division are a much of a muchness. Come on!
I also know that Colin and Affleck are one the same. I asked for one of Colins vicious posts to be removed last week......and it wasn't, despite asking on three separate occasions. I wonder why?
johnny b, bushey says...
9:42pm Sun 16 Dec 07
Undeluded wrote:Who is this stupid person..
\"the only way is up\"???
hahaha! you gotta be joking mate! WFC have just given up the highest spot they\'re likely to reach in a long, long time! it\'s all downhill from now and that direction is infinite - I can see WFC playing against the likes of Bushey Rangers in a few seasons time! ... if they\'re lucky!!!
Pete Whartons BLUE & WHITE army are the best.
hornetboy84, ricky says...
10:03pm Sun 16 Dec 07
Colin -
You miss the point.
It is not AB who is out of his depth - it is WFC.
We are in a position beyond what the size of our club deserves.
Why? Because of AB. Why before. Because of GT.
He is not perfect. He will make mistakes - just like GT --- but he is ours, is the longest serving manager in this division (which should tell you something) and we are lucky to have him.
All tue Watford fans know this and I am as sure as hell not going to let idiots like you present an opinion that is not shared by 99% of Watford fans.
If you want to be fickle - go support someone else.
We are all frustrated at the moment - but this is a challenge and real fans get behind their club no matter what,.
Or .. we may just chase him away and then see what happens!! -- Be careful what you wish for Colin!!!
How is the rest of your life .... always half-empty I presume !!! HB84
You miss the point.
It is not AB who is out of his depth - it is WFC.
We are in a position beyond what the size of our club deserves.
Why? Because of AB. Why before. Because of GT.
He is not perfect. He will make mistakes - just like GT --- but he is ours, is the longest serving manager in this division (which should tell you something) and we are lucky to have him.
All tue Watford fans know this and I am as sure as hell not going to let idiots like you present an opinion that is not shared by 99% of Watford fans.
If you want to be fickle - go support someone else.
We are all frustrated at the moment - but this is a challenge and real fans get behind their club no matter what,.
Or .. we may just chase him away and then see what happens!! -- Be careful what you wish for Colin!!!
How is the rest of your life .... always half-empty I presume !!! HB84
colin, says...
11:08pm Sun 16 Dec 07
Horney boy
That is a very tired argument, and a very convenient one for the current board and manager to hide behind.
Forget where we were 30-40 years ago, apart from two seasons, WFC have been in the top two divisions for the last quarter of a century.
Yes there are bigger clubs than us in this division, but there are also other clubs considerably smaller and with far less finanicial clout.
By your logic the likes of Wigan, Charlton, Bolton et al are equally condemned to life propping up the championship.
I'm sorry but this is no longer a valid argument; it is a get out clause for happy clappers like you and an apology for the current failures on and off the pitch.
We came down from the premiership with a wonderful opportunity to take this team to the next level; what has happened instead, under the mismanagement of Boothroyd, is that we have got significantly worse.
You might hide behind the "little watford" mentality but don't ask others to. You're living in the past mate.
That is a very tired argument, and a very convenient one for the current board and manager to hide behind.
Forget where we were 30-40 years ago, apart from two seasons, WFC have been in the top two divisions for the last quarter of a century.
Yes there are bigger clubs than us in this division, but there are also other clubs considerably smaller and with far less finanicial clout.
By your logic the likes of Wigan, Charlton, Bolton et al are equally condemned to life propping up the championship.
I'm sorry but this is no longer a valid argument; it is a get out clause for happy clappers like you and an apology for the current failures on and off the pitch.
We came down from the premiership with a wonderful opportunity to take this team to the next level; what has happened instead, under the mismanagement of Boothroyd, is that we have got significantly worse.
You might hide behind the "little watford" mentality but don't ask others to. You're living in the past mate.
dave, sandridge says...
11:17pm Sun 16 Dec 07
smiler wrote:Just out of interest which post did you ask to be removed, under which headline? Guessing from your post its still on here so why not tell everyone and let us judge if its vicious or not?
Well, you gotta hand it to the gaffer. He is honest and takes the responsibility. I agree, with nick middlesex. The only way is up now. All the teams around us and indeed in this division are a much of a muchness. Come on!
I also know that Colin and Affleck are one the same. I asked for one of Colins vicious posts to be removed last week......and it wasn't, despite asking on three separate occasions. I wonder why?
colin, says...
11:21pm Sun 16 Dec 07
Dave the beast I couldn't agree more. merry xmas mate!
Affleck, ,err i mean colin.
Affleck, ,err i mean colin.
JOHN, says...
5:02am Mon 17 Dec 07
Firstly,
I do not go with the banning of any posts on here.All of us have an opinion
Colin has his views and you have to respect these views.
My views are as follows..
1/When did we last dominate a game and you went away feeling A/we deserved that or B/How did we not win that??
Answer:Very few ,if any at all.
The answer for me is neither,in the last few seasons (obv the majority of these games have been in the Prem) we (the team) has struggled.
I have been caught up in the where is the plan b? scenario, but, really we do not have a team/players to have a Plan B.
Adam Johnson, has helped us get where we are now and he has gone. He will not return as he was homesick, during the time he was with us.
What do we have left that we feel are good enough to put us back in the premiership and possibly staying there?
Has Aidy made mistakes? I dont know but, Eliington, I feel is not the answer to our problems. I fully apprecaite he has not had that many chances to prove himself but if he did, would he really be anything to add to our strike force?. Lets face it, Marlon may be gone in the transfer window and that leaves us a bit short up front.
My opinion is that we accept and enjoy the Championship.
It's a great league. We all turn up each week not knowing if we will win or lose. Can we really say the same if we are in the Premiership?
/
If we as fans,can accept we are a championhship team then we can all be happy.
Thia
I do not go with the banning of any posts on here.All of us have an opinion
Colin has his views and you have to respect these views.
My views are as follows..
1/When did we last dominate a game and you went away feeling A/we deserved that or B/How did we not win that??
Answer:Very few ,if any at all.
The answer for me is neither,in the last few seasons (obv the majority of these games have been in the Prem) we (the team) has struggled.
I have been caught up in the where is the plan b? scenario, but, really we do not have a team/players to have a Plan B.
Adam Johnson, has helped us get where we are now and he has gone. He will not return as he was homesick, during the time he was with us.
What do we have left that we feel are good enough to put us back in the premiership and possibly staying there?
Has Aidy made mistakes? I dont know but, Eliington, I feel is not the answer to our problems. I fully apprecaite he has not had that many chances to prove himself but if he did, would he really be anything to add to our strike force?. Lets face it, Marlon may be gone in the transfer window and that leaves us a bit short up front.
My opinion is that we accept and enjoy the Championship.
It's a great league. We all turn up each week not knowing if we will win or lose. Can we really say the same if we are in the Premiership?
/
If we as fans,can accept we are a championhship team then we can all be happy.
Thia
Paul, Hemel says...
8:04am Mon 17 Dec 07
hornetboy84 wrote:Hornet Boy - Are you yourself not a little worried that the manager seems to have no plan B and no different approach to play?!? You also state that "this is a challenge". I agree, it is a challenge. At what point though do you decide to change things rather than continue with an attitude of apathy that suggests "oh, well, we would have settled for this two years ago..." - do you wait until we are 6th? 10th? 15th?.. That I think is the point that most of these posts make - Aidy does not seem to have a plan B in any way shape or form.
Colin - You miss the point. It is not AB who is out of his depth - it is WFC. We are in a position beyond what the size of our club deserves. Why? Because of AB. Why before. Because of GT. He is not perfect. He will make mistakes - just like GT --- but he is ours, is the longest serving manager in this division (which should tell you something) and we are lucky to have him. All tue Watford fans know this and I am as sure as hell not going to let idiots like you present an opinion that is not shared by 99% of Watford fans. If you want to be fickle - go support someone else. We are all frustrated at the moment - but this is a challenge and real fans get behind their club no matter what,. Or .. we may just chase him away and then see what happens!! -- Be careful what you wish for Colin!!! How is the rest of your life .... always half-empty I presume !!! HB84
Berko Horn, says...
9:33am Mon 17 Dec 07
Couldn't lelp but notice that someone used the phrase "half empty" in reply to Colin. Anyone want to guess as to what he was referring to?
Isn't it great when everyone gets behind the team and management when things are not going well. Offering constructive critism and not slagging off everyone. The season of goodwill is upon us!!!
Isn't it great when everyone gets behind the team and management when things are not going well. Offering constructive critism and not slagging off everyone. The season of goodwill is upon us!!!
johnny b, bushey says...
10:45am Mon 17 Dec 07
colin wrote:Colin.
Horney boy
That is a very tired argument, and a very convenient one for the current board and manager to hide behind.
Forget where we were 30-40 years ago, apart from two seasons, WFC have been in the top two divisions for the last quarter of a century.
Yes there are bigger clubs than us in this division, but there are also other clubs considerably smaller and with far less finanicial clout.
By your logic the likes of Wigan, Charlton, Bolton et al are equally condemned to life propping up the championship.
I'm sorry but this is no longer a valid argument; it is a get out clause for happy clappers like you and an apology for the current failures on and off the pitch.
We came down from the premiership with a wonderful opportunity to take this team to the next level; what has happened instead, under the mismanagement of Boothroyd, is that we have got significantly worse.
You might hide behind the "little watford" mentality but don't ask others to. You're living in the past mate.
You really need to think before posting some of your views..
You state that apart from 2 seasons,watford have been in the top 2 divisions,(not bad in my view).
You say that we came down from the premiership with a wonderful opportunity to take this team to the next level,and blame A.B. for making us worse,yet have spent so much time blaming him,whos not good enough,he,s a has been,he,s a waste of money,he,s lower league rubbish,and as i recall,even blaming Ben Foster,for part of our,DEMISE!!!!.
And you must be holding your paper upside down if you see us as propping up the league.WE ARE SECOND mate.I think we can all see that faces need to be brought in,but lets wait and see what the transfer window brings,which will tell us if the BOARD,want us to challenge for promotion...
You must keep the faith
Open-eyed onlooker, on the outside says...
10:48am Mon 17 Dec 07
When are the majority of you that are living in denial going to open your eyes (and minds) and realise that most of WFC's "success" in recent years has been more luck than judgement?
That luck is now wearing off (as it tends to do) and exposing the truth underneath.
It won't be until a whole new overhaul takes place (including management) that WFC will be a force to be reckoned with.
Please note, I say this as an outside individual in a neutral position, not as some vindictive, mud-slinging critic.
I would love, in time, to be proven wrong ... but, I wouldn't bet my money on it. :)
That luck is now wearing off (as it tends to do) and exposing the truth underneath.
It won't be until a whole new overhaul takes place (including management) that WFC will be a force to be reckoned with.
Please note, I say this as an outside individual in a neutral position, not as some vindictive, mud-slinging critic.
I would love, in time, to be proven wrong ... but, I wouldn't bet my money on it. :)
Oxhey Fez, London says...
11:08am Mon 17 Dec 07
I've read above... thank god we are ONLY in second place! What would be being said if we were in the bottom 3! Maybe some of the people who write on this should go and support Man Utd or Celtic!
... onlooker, says...
11:36am Mon 17 Dec 07
Yes, 2nd place ... 2nd place on the way down .
Just two or three more results on their current form could place them outside the top six! That is a real possibility!
They are on a rapid decline that is the difference!
Just two or three more results on their current form could place them outside the top six! That is a real possibility!
They are on a rapid decline that is the difference!
Al, York says...
11:58am Mon 17 Dec 07
Mad WFC fan here, and im getting angry.
We are all entitled to our say, and i believ Colin has some truth in his postings about WFC. We really are the laughing stock at the moment, whats happening? Marlon King will go in Jan, he isnt getting the ball to his feet, we have wasted enough time and money on the wrong players, and i believe Aidy is making the wrong subsitutions, at the wrong time. PLEASE AIDY, LISTEN TO WHAT WE ARE SAYING! The likes of WBA will wipe us clean right now...we just are no where near good enough. But i do agree we must get behind the team....
We are all entitled to our say, and i believ Colin has some truth in his postings about WFC. We really are the laughing stock at the moment, whats happening? Marlon King will go in Jan, he isnt getting the ball to his feet, we have wasted enough time and money on the wrong players, and i believe Aidy is making the wrong subsitutions, at the wrong time. PLEASE AIDY, LISTEN TO WHAT WE ARE SAYING! The likes of WBA will wipe us clean right now...we just are no where near good enough. But i do agree we must get behind the team....
boingboing, goinup says...
3:22pm Mon 17 Dec 07
I was advised to read this section by a regular season ticket holder at watford...
Now i thought he was exagerating with the amount of negativity on this site, However i think he underestimated the cancer that is spreading through the ranks of your club through people like colin.
I support WBA and obviously am pleased at reaching the summit, but if you think its all roses at the Hawthorns you are sadly mistaken, For months we couldnt hold a lead and we always took our foot of the gas when we did.. Also last season we were favourites for the title but we faultered and stutered our way to the play off finals and then didnt turn up. but apart from a few fickle fans we stuck by our manager and our team and are now seeing the rewards.
before anyone says i dont know what i am talking about i have been to a few watford games and watched them on tv and yes although the tactics are a little predictable it has still been effective 90% of the time, apart from the game against us (that was our best performance of the season), so now your going through a sticky patch and you call for the managers head ! , the one manager who shows true passion and grit in this division and you want him gone .... unbelievable !!!!
For the sake of all the other teams in the division i think its a good thing if you force him out, then hopefully we can all reap the rewards, however for the sake of your own team get a grip, your not a Man utd or Arsenal but you talk as if you are..
You could be a Norwich, Shef Wed, Shef utd or even Leeds who are all bigger clubs that have gone through much worse !!! ..
Why dont you support the manager who has given you your best success since Graham Taylor and see if it takes you somewhere, if it doesnt then throw your toys out of your pram and get rid of him...
Anyway all the best and for our sakes I hope you carry on with your petty whinging ......
Now i thought he was exagerating with the amount of negativity on this site, However i think he underestimated the cancer that is spreading through the ranks of your club through people like colin.
I support WBA and obviously am pleased at reaching the summit, but if you think its all roses at the Hawthorns you are sadly mistaken, For months we couldnt hold a lead and we always took our foot of the gas when we did.. Also last season we were favourites for the title but we faultered and stutered our way to the play off finals and then didnt turn up. but apart from a few fickle fans we stuck by our manager and our team and are now seeing the rewards.
before anyone says i dont know what i am talking about i have been to a few watford games and watched them on tv and yes although the tactics are a little predictable it has still been effective 90% of the time, apart from the game against us (that was our best performance of the season), so now your going through a sticky patch and you call for the managers head ! , the one manager who shows true passion and grit in this division and you want him gone .... unbelievable !!!!
For the sake of all the other teams in the division i think its a good thing if you force him out, then hopefully we can all reap the rewards, however for the sake of your own team get a grip, your not a Man utd or Arsenal but you talk as if you are..
You could be a Norwich, Shef Wed, Shef utd or even Leeds who are all bigger clubs that have gone through much worse !!! ..
Why dont you support the manager who has given you your best success since Graham Taylor and see if it takes you somewhere, if it doesnt then throw your toys out of your pram and get rid of him...
Anyway all the best and for our sakes I hope you carry on with your petty whinging ......
Paul, Hemel says...
3:52pm Mon 17 Dec 07
boingboing wrote:Some fair points there "boingboing" and I agree with you that some of the posts relating to "get the prat out" and "useless" and total "freefall" are a bit OTT and at times very personal to AB. However, I think we do all have the club at heart and Colin makes some very, very good points - just wish he'd lay of the personal attacks now and agin. However, what is frustrating me and I think many of the posters on here is the MANNER in whisch we seem to have capitulated. In the past few games that I have been to I have seen nothing that suggests that AB has a plan B. The Football is aimless, one dimentional and if you had been to the matches you would have noticed some of the most bizarre dscision making from a manager: Leading golscorer on the wing? Midfielder for a Centre half..?? Most influential wing man over the past few games played out of posuition...??? Some auite baffling signings....???? It is this element that is frustrating people.
I was advised to read this section by a regular season ticket holder at watford... Now i thought he was exagerating with the amount of negativity on this site, However i think he underestimated the cancer that is spreading through the ranks of your club through people like colin. I support WBA and obviously am pleased at reaching the summit, but if you think its all roses at the Hawthorns you are sadly mistaken, For months we couldnt hold a lead and we always took our foot of the gas when we did.. Also last season we were favourites for the title but we faultered and stutered our way to the play off finals and then didnt turn up. but apart from a few fickle fans we stuck by our manager and our team and are now seeing the rewards. before anyone says i dont know what i am talking about i have been to a few watford games and watched them on tv and yes although the tactics are a little predictable it has still been effective 90% of the time, apart from the game against us (that was our best performance of the season), so now your going through a sticky patch and you call for the managers head ! , the one manager who shows true passion and grit in this division and you want him gone .... unbelievable !!!! For the sake of all the other teams in the division i think its a good thing if you force him out, then hopefully we can all reap the rewards, however for the sake of your own team get a grip, your not a Man utd or Arsenal but you talk as if you are.. You could be a Norwich, Shef Wed, Shef utd or even Leeds who are all bigger clubs that have gone through much worse !!! .. Why dont you support the manager who has given you your best success since Graham Taylor and see if it takes you somewhere, if it doesnt then throw your toys out of your pram and get rid of him... Anyway all the best and for our sakes I hope you carry on with your petty whinging ......
boingboing, goinup says...
4:11pm Mon 17 Dec 07
paul ..
I can understand your frustration and your points are fair, its the way others go about it on this site thats worrying for you ...
Like i said the baggys were useless at times last year but we stuck by big tony M and he has come good, we used to think exactly the same about subs and tactics at times ..
Regards watford, up until 5 games ago his tactics were working albeit a little boring, now they r not you have to give Boothroyd time to react to this and see if he can come up with the goods, If he doesnt then so be it !, I know people will say Watford were predictable and poor in the premiership and it the results stem from there but lets be honest you did the best you could with 90% championship quality players, at least you rarely got turned over badly unlike Derby this year..
And one final thing for u lot, Robbo isn't coming back to Watford ! I dont care how bad that Jordan with the big tits that plays at left back for you lot is !!!!!!
I can understand your frustration and your points are fair, its the way others go about it on this site thats worrying for you ...
Like i said the baggys were useless at times last year but we stuck by big tony M and he has come good, we used to think exactly the same about subs and tactics at times ..
Regards watford, up until 5 games ago his tactics were working albeit a little boring, now they r not you have to give Boothroyd time to react to this and see if he can come up with the goods, If he doesnt then so be it !, I know people will say Watford were predictable and poor in the premiership and it the results stem from there but lets be honest you did the best you could with 90% championship quality players, at least you rarely got turned over badly unlike Derby this year..
And one final thing for u lot, Robbo isn't coming back to Watford ! I dont care how bad that Jordan with the big tits that plays at left back for you lot is !!!!!!
doogle4, bovy says...
4:42pm Mon 17 Dec 07
steve from hemel says GT would never have bought lots of players that boothroyd has, How does he know ? is he using his crstal ball or has he just phoned GT ?.. every manager including the greats like ferguson, wenger and even GT have bought players that havent done it for their teams at some point, its part and parcel of the game called football ....
Paul, Hemel says...
4:54pm Mon 17 Dec 07
sack em all! wrote:That's a bit harsh... still, we're all entitled to our opinion so maybe you could enlighten me with your own, no doubt vastly intellectual assessment :-)
The Albion fan sees it logically. Colin is a poisonous toad with nothing good to say. PAUL U R JUST THICK..
Voice of reason, Watford says...
5:34pm Mon 17 Dec 07
doogle4 wrote:Hey Doogle.....
steve from hemel says GT would never have bought lots of players that boothroyd has, How does he know ? is he using his crstal ball or has he just phoned GT ?.. every manager including the greats like ferguson, wenger and even GT have bought players that havent done it for their teams at some point, its part and parcel of the game called football ....
The one that I found really rather odd was Martin Delaney, I always thought he was half decent.
Ex Pat, Watford says...
5:53pm Mon 17 Dec 07
Just heard that Jason Roberts has handed in a transfer request at Blackburn! I know we all love MK but there is unrest there, back when Ashley was unsettled I heard from someone who was mates with AY that none of the players got on with him, remember the so called falling out with MK and Aidy? When things are going well then all is well with MK but of late I think his body language is in question, although I do think he was ill Saturday. Just a thought...The Duke being partnered with Roberts again, a good or bad thing, wot ya reckon guys??
doogle4, bovy says...
5:57pm Mon 17 Dec 07
I have never got to see him, but he always looks ok for barnsley !.. there have quite obviously been some really bad signings but some excelent ones as well.
Boothroyd is just learning his trade and is going to make mistakes.. I think some of the more recent signings have looked a bit dubious, but then again i have a mate who supports Notts forest and when we signed a certain Marlon King he said he "couldnt hit a cows arse with a spade" and "he is a lazy P**k", and that couldnt be further from the way he is with Watford, it just shows you how players playing with confidence can change. the same could be said of Ellington, when he was at Wigan he was awesome, but at west brom he was pap, you dont just become useless overnight !, If we get behind these players there is more chance of us seeing the best of them .. There are plenty of players who r being judged before they have been given a chance and i would like to bet that at least one or 2 of those will end up being a decent signing in the future.. we will just have to wait and see !.
Boothroyd is just learning his trade and is going to make mistakes.. I think some of the more recent signings have looked a bit dubious, but then again i have a mate who supports Notts forest and when we signed a certain Marlon King he said he "couldnt hit a cows arse with a spade" and "he is a lazy P**k", and that couldnt be further from the way he is with Watford, it just shows you how players playing with confidence can change. the same could be said of Ellington, when he was at Wigan he was awesome, but at west brom he was pap, you dont just become useless overnight !, If we get behind these players there is more chance of us seeing the best of them .. There are plenty of players who r being judged before they have been given a chance and i would like to bet that at least one or 2 of those will end up being a decent signing in the future.. we will just have to wait and see !.
Voice of reason, Watford says...
6:10pm Mon 17 Dec 07
Great to read your optimism, wish that was true with the other posters on here!
You speak with sense my friend.
Hmmm Roberts & ellington eh?
You speak with sense my friend.
Hmmm Roberts & ellington eh?
doogle4, bovy says...
6:17pm Mon 17 Dec 07
would hate to see King go, If he does go it just better be more than the 6 million being quoted , if young is worth 9.5 then so is King !!
if he does go then Roberts and ellington would be worth a shot, if he wants to come to a smaller club !!
if he does go then Roberts and ellington would be worth a shot, if he wants to come to a smaller club !!
chris, the vic says...
6:35pm Mon 17 Dec 07
Too much speculation!!
Happy Claapers are right we are second and those less than happy clappers we have achieved the position playing rubbish.
Aidys treatment of Mahon is disgusting and following on from his treatment of Darius one wonders if he will ever manage.
I am not here to have a personal attack on him....after all we are to blame we put him on a pedestal and now the truth is out...he isnt as good as we kidded ourselves and as a human he lacks compassion.
I would not have played Gav over the last two years and he wouldnt have been my captain...but he always tries and Aidy who played him all the time and kept him as captain has treated him despicably.
Marlon will leave and so will others and judging of Aidy will take place but after three years of building a team with more money than anyone previously cept maybe Vialli we haveturned out a poor team.
Adios Aidy...your touchline domination doesnt happen does it Hoofroyd
Happy Claapers are right we are second and those less than happy clappers we have achieved the position playing rubbish.
Aidys treatment of Mahon is disgusting and following on from his treatment of Darius one wonders if he will ever manage.
I am not here to have a personal attack on him....after all we are to blame we put him on a pedestal and now the truth is out...he isnt as good as we kidded ourselves and as a human he lacks compassion.
I would not have played Gav over the last two years and he wouldnt have been my captain...but he always tries and Aidy who played him all the time and kept him as captain has treated him despicably.
Marlon will leave and so will others and judging of Aidy will take place but after three years of building a team with more money than anyone previously cept maybe Vialli we haveturned out a poor team.
Adios Aidy...your touchline domination doesnt happen does it Hoofroyd
PJP, Watford says...
6:46pm Mon 17 Dec 07
I was really disappointed by the reception given to our local MP who is a regular supporter and who has given her time and effort on behalf of Al Bangura. Surely our fans are better than the behaviour shown to her on Saturday
Scotshorn, Aberdeen says...
7:46pm Mon 17 Dec 07
Chris, the vic said: Aidys treatment of Mahon is disgusting and following on from his treatment of Darius one wonders if he will ever manage..............
I would not have played Gav over the last two years and he wouldnt have been my captain...but he always tries and Aidy who played him all the time and kept him as captain has treated him despicably.
Hmmm - let me see if I've got this right.
1) AB has played Gav and used him as captain over the last 2 years, now finds that, as for every other player, the time is right for him to move on, and allows that to happen. That is despicable and disgusting.
2) You freely admit that you wouldn't have used Gav in either capacity over the last 2 years, but presumably would have renewed his contract and had him sitting doing nothing. That is ok.
Little wonder that AB is the manager, and not you.
I would not have played Gav over the last two years and he wouldnt have been my captain...but he always tries and Aidy who played him all the time and kept him as captain has treated him despicably.
Hmmm - let me see if I've got this right.
1) AB has played Gav and used him as captain over the last 2 years, now finds that, as for every other player, the time is right for him to move on, and allows that to happen. That is despicable and disgusting.
2) You freely admit that you wouldn't have used Gav in either capacity over the last 2 years, but presumably would have renewed his contract and had him sitting doing nothing. That is ok.
Little wonder that AB is the manager, and not you.
doogle4, bovy says...
7:56pm Mon 17 Dec 07
A recent comment from the avid WFC supporter that is known as colin got me thinking ! it was something along the lines of Being hopeless in the premier league and that was the start of the downward spiral in our fortunes (something along those lines).
Well for starters I think considering we realistically had a bunch of championship players accompanied with one of the lowest wage bills in the premiership we actually didnt do that bad , now I know that sounds stupid considering we were relegated whilst finishing bottom, but hear me out and I will do the opposite of Colin and find the positives ..
For starters apart from two 4 0 defeats to Man utd and Chelsea we were never really humiliated, the way we played was to chase the play down and try and hit on the break, and this was probably our downfall as we conceded 17 goals between the 76th and 90th minutes due to being tyred, out of those we conceded 9 goals in the last 5 mins, I wont mention the games but those goals in the last 5 mins cost us 9 points, include into that the Fulham game that we should never have drawn and then the horrendous misses (2 from Henderson) then we could have stayed up .. Colin said we were a lucky team, those stats dont seem to me to be lucky !! Now dont get me wrong we didnt deserve to stay up, and at times it was pretty horrendous football but considering the tools he was given I think Boothroyd did ok in only his second full season in management and first in the premier league. Every team who played us said that they new they had been in a game !! . See Colin it is possible to get positives out of any situation just like it is to get negatives, I know you will disagree in my analysis, but hey ho I much prefer my outlook on life than yours . Come on u horns !! (oh and we also had the second lowest average attendance and one of those people was colin !, we were really up against it me thinks !!)
Well for starters I think considering we realistically had a bunch of championship players accompanied with one of the lowest wage bills in the premiership we actually didnt do that bad , now I know that sounds stupid considering we were relegated whilst finishing bottom, but hear me out and I will do the opposite of Colin and find the positives ..
For starters apart from two 4 0 defeats to Man utd and Chelsea we were never really humiliated, the way we played was to chase the play down and try and hit on the break, and this was probably our downfall as we conceded 17 goals between the 76th and 90th minutes due to being tyred, out of those we conceded 9 goals in the last 5 mins, I wont mention the games but those goals in the last 5 mins cost us 9 points, include into that the Fulham game that we should never have drawn and then the horrendous misses (2 from Henderson) then we could have stayed up .. Colin said we were a lucky team, those stats dont seem to me to be lucky !! Now dont get me wrong we didnt deserve to stay up, and at times it was pretty horrendous football but considering the tools he was given I think Boothroyd did ok in only his second full season in management and first in the premier league. Every team who played us said that they new they had been in a game !! . See Colin it is possible to get positives out of any situation just like it is to get negatives, I know you will disagree in my analysis, but hey ho I much prefer my outlook on life than yours . Come on u horns !! (oh and we also had the second lowest average attendance and one of those people was colin !, we were really up against it me thinks !!)
Voice of reason, Watford says...
8:00pm Mon 17 Dec 07
PJP.......
To be honest (tbh)I think that stems from the fact she's a member of the Labour party, normally they are very good at effing up peoples lives (as I can testify)I'll be surprised she'll get to overturn this by herself! I think by her actions this has a hidden agenda for her ill gotten gains, if I had managed to get to the game i'd probably done the same.
I had trouble putting petrol in the motor tonight so will have to get hunting or i'll miss another game!!
DON'T VOTE LABOUR!!!
To be honest (tbh)I think that stems from the fact she's a member of the Labour party, normally they are very good at effing up peoples lives (as I can testify)I'll be surprised she'll get to overturn this by herself! I think by her actions this has a hidden agenda for her ill gotten gains, if I had managed to get to the game i'd probably done the same.
I had trouble putting petrol in the motor tonight so will have to get hunting or i'll miss another game!!
DON'T VOTE LABOUR!!!
GaryQE2, London says...
10:31pm Mon 17 Dec 07
I do not agree with earlier posts that attribute our excellent start to this season to 'luck'.
We started winning and our confidence grew. Johnson was massively influential.
Clearly the opposite is now true .. Johnson has departed and after some poor results our confidence has taken a knock.
It can change again.
Perhaps we looked tentative on Saturday but we did create some fine chances.
I hope that Aidy will give Nathan Ellington a start. His touch looked good on Saturday and he has the class to score goals at this level.
I back Aidy to turn round our fortunes. He gets more right than he gets wrong.
We started winning and our confidence grew. Johnson was massively influential.
Clearly the opposite is now true .. Johnson has departed and after some poor results our confidence has taken a knock.
It can change again.
Perhaps we looked tentative on Saturday but we did create some fine chances.
I hope that Aidy will give Nathan Ellington a start. His touch looked good on Saturday and he has the class to score goals at this level.
I back Aidy to turn round our fortunes. He gets more right than he gets wrong.
chris, kings langley says...
10:41pm Mon 17 Dec 07
Well said BoingBoing.
Alot of good sense there, so thanks. Its so easy to lose perspective and assume the grass is always going to be greener over the hill. So often it never is.
Look at Norwich. They sacked Nigel Worthington who took them to the Premiership, and thereafter went into freefall. Derby wont do any better either.
Its all about winning. Yes I'm as fed up with some of the rubbish we've played, but actually I'm still proud to be an 'Orns fan, and will continue to support them onwards and upwards.
It doesn't alter my opinion about the way the club is being run and GS has alot to answer tomorrow at the AGM as to how he can justify how he and his side kick Ashton can take £1.35m out of the club last year in salaries, pension, and loan interest.
Now that is worth getting hung up about, considering only two years ago he took just £75k. Excluding the Russo's and Ashcroft's shareholding, GS and his henchmen hold exactly the same as all the other minority shareholders, but they get their noses into the trough. How much is our overdraft??
Its going to be interesting.........
and the pot will continue to boil.
Alot of good sense there, so thanks. Its so easy to lose perspective and assume the grass is always going to be greener over the hill. So often it never is.
Look at Norwich. They sacked Nigel Worthington who took them to the Premiership, and thereafter went into freefall. Derby wont do any better either.
Its all about winning. Yes I'm as fed up with some of the rubbish we've played, but actually I'm still proud to be an 'Orns fan, and will continue to support them onwards and upwards.
It doesn't alter my opinion about the way the club is being run and GS has alot to answer tomorrow at the AGM as to how he can justify how he and his side kick Ashton can take £1.35m out of the club last year in salaries, pension, and loan interest.
Now that is worth getting hung up about, considering only two years ago he took just £75k. Excluding the Russo's and Ashcroft's shareholding, GS and his henchmen hold exactly the same as all the other minority shareholders, but they get their noses into the trough. How much is our overdraft??
Its going to be interesting.........
and the pot will continue to boil.
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8:15am Tue 18 Dec 07
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smiler, bretagne says...
9:31am Tue 18 Dec 07
Thank you for your personal vicious attack on me Colin. All I wanted was to have some of your vicious attacks on Mr. Boothroyd removed. I have looked back but cannot see the particular post, as all your posts are offensive!!. You seem to put yourself on a pedestal. You have nothing positive to say, only the obvious. You are a vicious person my friend, and you need to know that. Oh and your quote, (I have long held the view that I may not agree with what you say but will defend your right to say it.) Voltaire, my friend.
I will no longer contribute to this forum. It has become ''The Colin show''
Good luck to all those fans of our team, and the team themselves.......we will be fine.
And Merry Christmas. Smiler.
I will no longer contribute to this forum. It has become ''The Colin show''
Good luck to all those fans of our team, and the team themselves.......we will be fine.
And Merry Christmas. Smiler.
WFC & proud, Watford says...
4:33pm Tue 18 Dec 07
To the "fans" that obviously want blood:
Shall we bring back Jim Bonser & Dave Bassett as your dream team, then?
Or just the two bald blokes from Italy & England that tried to take us out of existence in the 90's with their astute transfer dealings?(ITV Digital collapsing had nothing to do with who they'd bought).
Transfers & buildign a team are not exact sciences or available in recipes from cordon bleu chefs; there's a lot of hard work, mistakes, pain & effort involved - just take a look at all the top clubs in any country.
And while I'm on a roll, I'm rather tired of the "fans" who turn-up at the Vic to moan & not support; naff off back to the hugely successful clubs you seem to no longer be able to afford to watch & let Watford fans "enjoy the ride". Places like Bury in December spring to mind...
Shall we bring back Jim Bonser & Dave Bassett as your dream team, then?
Or just the two bald blokes from Italy & England that tried to take us out of existence in the 90's with their astute transfer dealings?(ITV Digital collapsing had nothing to do with who they'd bought).
Transfers & buildign a team are not exact sciences or available in recipes from cordon bleu chefs; there's a lot of hard work, mistakes, pain & effort involved - just take a look at all the top clubs in any country.
And while I'm on a roll, I'm rather tired of the "fans" who turn-up at the Vic to moan & not support; naff off back to the hugely successful clubs you seem to no longer be able to afford to watch & let Watford fans "enjoy the ride". Places like Bury in December spring to mind...
colin, says...
8:06am Wed 19 Dec 07
WFC & proud wrote:You have a short memory. Supporters were fond of Vialli. People like you would be slating off anyone who criticised him at the time he was in power just like you are doing today.
To the "fans" that obviously want blood: Shall we bring back Jim Bonser & Dave Bassett as your dream team, then? Or just the two bald blokes from Italy & England that tried to take us out of existence in the 90's with their astute transfer dealings?(ITV Digital collapsing had nothing to do with who they'd bought). Transfers & buildign a team are not exact sciences or available in recipes from cordon bleu chefs; there's a lot of hard work, mistakes, pain & effort involved - just take a look at all the top clubs in any country. And while I'm on a roll, I'm rather tired of the "fans" who turn-up at the Vic to moan & not support; naff off back to the hugely successful clubs you seem to no longer be able to afford to watch & let Watford fans "enjoy the ride". Places like Bury in December spring to mind...
No doubt when Boofers is gone you will be defending our new manager and saying how much better he is. Blind loyalty shows a lack of intelligence.
WFC & proud, Watford says...
1:49pm Wed 19 Dec 07
Dear colin.
I'm so glad you know my opinions on my support of WFC, playing staff, etc & how good my "eyesight" is. Thing is, you're completely wrong. Yes, I was pleased WFC made such high-profile appts with Vialli & Wilkins but concerned about their ability to work at a club of Watford's size & resources as it was so different to anywhere they'd played or coached. This was then backed-up by the huge wages they were being paid as well as paying for player's who were at the end of their careers through age, not ability or attitude.
The only thing you could accuse me of having "blind loyalty" for is to the club itself; win, lose or draw at home or away, I support my team. How about you?
P.S. I've met Aidy & talked to him. He's one of the most honest blokes in football and I'd rather "fans" like you didn't drive him away before the end of his contract.
I'm so glad you know my opinions on my support of WFC, playing staff, etc & how good my "eyesight" is. Thing is, you're completely wrong. Yes, I was pleased WFC made such high-profile appts with Vialli & Wilkins but concerned about their ability to work at a club of Watford's size & resources as it was so different to anywhere they'd played or coached. This was then backed-up by the huge wages they were being paid as well as paying for player's who were at the end of their careers through age, not ability or attitude.
The only thing you could accuse me of having "blind loyalty" for is to the club itself; win, lose or draw at home or away, I support my team. How about you?
P.S. I've met Aidy & talked to him. He's one of the most honest blokes in football and I'd rather "fans" like you didn't drive him away before the end of his contract.
WFC & proud, Watford says...
2:38pm Wed 19 Dec 07
Dear colin; forgot to ask if you stating an assumption of my intelligence through blind loyalty to Watford might allow me to assume you are a self-promoting, supercilious and bigoted idiot who is happiest only when causing confrontation & argument?
WFC & proud, Watford says...
7:10pm Wed 19 Dec 07
For a change, nothing to do with my new best mate colin but I wanted to make a comment on Kev's "and played Tommy Smith - Watford's most influential player of late - out of position on the left" comment in his piece above.
I'd like to contend this was to allow Lionel to play in front of Lloyd (still, in my opinion, our best & most consistent defender) and to see if having Tommy on the left allowed Jordan to play with more 'confidence' than in recent matches?
In my opinion, a brave move which limited options for subs during the 2nd half; even then, the team shape changed to 3-5-2 when Damien came on and for a short spell, we looked to cause Argyle more problems. Sadly, the early 2nd half goal eluded us along with the chance to gain confidence.
I'd like to contend this was to allow Lionel to play in front of Lloyd (still, in my opinion, our best & most consistent defender) and to see if having Tommy on the left allowed Jordan to play with more 'confidence' than in recent matches?
In my opinion, a brave move which limited options for subs during the 2nd half; even then, the team shape changed to 3-5-2 when Damien came on and for a short spell, we looked to cause Argyle more problems. Sadly, the early 2nd half goal eluded us along with the chance to gain confidence.
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nick, middlesex says...
1:30pm Sun 16 Dec 07