Former Wycombe Wanderers and Southampton defender Mike Williamson asks to leave following Portsmouth approach

Former Wycombe Wanderers and Southampton defender Mike Williamson asks to leave following Portsmouth approach

Former Wycombe Wanderers and Southampton defender Mike Williamson asks to leave following Portsmouth approach

First published in Sport by , Group Sports Editor

Watford have rejected a transfer request from Mike Williamson, it has been confirmed.

The centre-half has been the subject of a seven-figure bid from an un-named club, widely believed to be Portsmouth.

Williamson only joined Watford from Wycombe Wanderers in January for around £150,000.

The fee was low because the defender's contract was set to run out this summer but Wycombe negotiated a massive sell-on clause, which could be as high as 25 per cent.

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4:33pm Thu 27 Aug 09

jluck14 says...

Here we go, well done board for 1) rejecting the bid and 2) rejecting the transfer request, all adss uo to getting a bigger transfer fee.
Here we go, well done board for 1) rejecting the bid and 2) rejecting the transfer request, all adss uo to getting a bigger transfer fee. jluck14
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4:35pm Thu 27 Aug 09

Heimishe_Hornet says...

Reads like he's on his way and keen to go. Plenty of time before Tuesday to get the right fee and if he stays and performs until Christmas, the fee won't go down, I'd reckon.
Reads like he's on his way and keen to go. Plenty of time before Tuesday to get the right fee and if he stays and performs until Christmas, the fee won't go down, I'd reckon. Heimishe_Hornet
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4:37pm Thu 27 Aug 09

Wrighty_Hornet says...

one word... ****! this is not good...
one word... ****! this is not good... Wrighty_Hornet
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4:38pm Thu 27 Aug 09

lutondown says...

we'll have loadsofmoney and no players!! on hum!!
we'll have loadsofmoney and no players!! on hum!! lutondown
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4:39pm Thu 27 Aug 09

Rick Holden Forever says...


This is what happens when you sell your best players. Other players want to leave as well.

Let's not be naive. The Russos are simply holding out for a bigger fee. He'll go, you watch.
This is what happens when you sell your best players. Other players want to leave as well. Let's not be naive. The Russos are simply holding out for a bigger fee. He'll go, you watch. Rick Holden Forever
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4:40pm Thu 27 Aug 09

RobboBTC says...

If he wants to leave then we are in sh*t, no point having a player who doesn't want to be here. So much for loyalty. He jumped at the chance to leave Wycombe & sign a long term contract with us. A club comes sniffing round & off he goes. Demerit next I take it!!!!! - I bet Malky is well happy with all this.
If he wants to leave then we are in sh*t, no point having a player who doesn't want to be here. So much for loyalty. He jumped at the chance to leave Wycombe & sign a long term contract with us. A club comes sniffing round & off he goes. Demerit next I take it!!!!! - I bet Malky is well happy with all this. RobboBTC
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4:41pm Thu 27 Aug 09

Hornet Cornet says...

Why would it be good getting a higher fee for him at Chrstmas time? We've got very few decent players left at the club, and losing TS has already confined us to the lower half of the division IMHO.

No matter how much money we get for williamson, we'll have hardly any quality players left and can look forwards to League 1 at this rate.

We need to strike a balance between getting money in, and being competitive. If the board continue to reject MW's transfer request and also continue to reject Pompey, then we'll have something worth looking forward to. If he goes, then we are screwed.
Why would it be good getting a higher fee for him at Chrstmas time? We've got very few decent players left at the club, and losing TS has already confined us to the lower half of the division IMHO. No matter how much money we get for williamson, we'll have hardly any quality players left and can look forwards to League 1 at this rate. We need to strike a balance between getting money in, and being competitive. If the board continue to reject MW's transfer request and also continue to reject Pompey, then we'll have something worth looking forward to. If he goes, then we are screwed. Hornet Cornet
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4:42pm Thu 27 Aug 09

Andrew1963 says...

The fact that he put in a transfer request is bad news. Players who want out tend to get their way. Lets hope Everton put in a last minute request - they need a player and have oodles of cash.
The fact that he put in a transfer request is bad news. Players who want out tend to get their way. Lets hope Everton put in a last minute request - they need a player and have oodles of cash. Andrew1963
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4:42pm Thu 27 Aug 09

john the greek says...

very dissappointing our captain from midweek should be asking to leave.
What does putting in a trf request acheive for him anyway?
If he goes WFC are certainly in trouble this season. From what I have seen he is far superior to JDM.
What must the rest of the team be thinking.
Hopefully NE is feeling a wee bit embarassed around the place.

very dissappointing our captain from midweek should be asking to leave. What does putting in a trf request acheive for him anyway? If he goes WFC are certainly in trouble this season. From what I have seen he is far superior to JDM. What must the rest of the team be thinking. Hopefully NE is feeling a wee bit embarassed around the place. john the greek
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4:44pm Thu 27 Aug 09

rogeruk says...

rogeruk wrote:
Mike Williamson handed in written transfer request.

Sounds like the titanic, all the better players see what is happening they are demoralised and who can blame them leaving a sinking ship.

I warned all of you about the Russos, not one of you had a shred of evidence of the financial state of the club.

90% of you based your comments on the financial state of the club in the trusted words of the salad munchers!

Will you ever learn?

If you do the sums, in the last six weeks, transfers out, manager out, savings on salaries etc, season tickets sales, sponsorship money, tv money and Saracens money.

Calulate some 12 to 14 million cash has come into the Russos hands as executives of the club.
rogeruk wrote: Mike Williamson handed in written transfer request. Sounds like the titanic, all the better players see what is happening they are demoralised and who can blame them leaving a sinking ship. I warned all of you about the Russos, not one of you had a shred of evidence of the financial state of the club. 90% of you based your comments on the financial state of the club in the trusted words of the salad munchers! Will you ever learn? If you do the sums, in the last six weeks, transfers out, manager out, savings on salaries etc, season tickets sales, sponsorship money, tv money and Saracens money. Calulate some 12 to 14 million cash has come into the Russos hands as executives of the club. rogeruk
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4:46pm Thu 27 Aug 09

Sir Les Taylor says...

Rick Holden Forever wrote:
This is what happens when you sell your best players. Other players want to leave as well. Let's not be naive. The Russos are simply holding out for a bigger fee. He'll go, you watch.
Blah blah blah blah blah!!

[quote][p][bold]Rick Holden Forever[/bold] wrote: This is what happens when you sell your best players. Other players want to leave as well. Let's not be naive. The Russos are simply holding out for a bigger fee. He'll go, you watch. [/p][/quote]Blah blah blah blah blah!! Sir Les Taylor
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4:50pm Thu 27 Aug 09

dorphil says...

I think he will go unfortunately. What I don't understand is that Peterborough don't need to sell any of their players such as Mackail-Smith and yet they have not had anywhere close to the money that Watford have received in transfers and payments from the premiership over the last few years and we are a better supported club.
I think he will go unfortunately. What I don't understand is that Peterborough don't need to sell any of their players such as Mackail-Smith and yet they have not had anywhere close to the money that Watford have received in transfers and payments from the premiership over the last few years and we are a better supported club. dorphil
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4:50pm Thu 27 Aug 09

Mrs Manilow says...

DEAR SALAD BOY'S!
PLEASE DO NOT SELL ANY MORE OF OUR PLAYERS,IF YOU DO
I DON'T THINK I CAN TAKE ANY MORE OF MY HUSBAND MOANING.
DEAR SALAD BOY'S! PLEASE DO NOT SELL ANY MORE OF OUR PLAYERS,IF YOU DO I DON'T THINK I CAN TAKE ANY MORE OF MY HUSBAND MOANING. Mrs Manilow
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4:50pm Thu 27 Aug 09

JamesA says...

shame about the request but i guess he's had his head turned by the money pompey can throw at him. Now it's just a case of us holding out for a decent fee...
shame about the request but i guess he's had his head turned by the money pompey can throw at him. Now it's just a case of us holding out for a decent fee... JamesA
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4:52pm Thu 27 Aug 09

royal against rodgers says...

ha!ha! nobody wants to be at watford either it seems should be a fantastic 0-0 at mad stad on the 26th
ha!ha! nobody wants to be at watford either it seems should be a fantastic 0-0 at mad stad on the 26th royal against rodgers
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4:52pm Thu 27 Aug 09

Gusthehorn says...

Apparently Distin is at Everton having a medical, this is why they are after MW..

Not good news though, he is clearly a good player.

In other news: Dyche's name spotted on team sheet!!!
Apparently Distin is at Everton having a medical, this is why they are after MW.. Not good news though, he is clearly a good player. In other news: Dyche's name spotted on team sheet!!! Gusthehorn
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4:52pm Thu 27 Aug 09

Only 2 Ross Jenkins says...

rogeruk wrote:
rogeruk wrote: Mike Williamson handed in written transfer request. Sounds like the titanic, all the better players see what is happening they are demoralised and who can blame them leaving a sinking ship. I warned all of you about the Russos, not one of you had a shred of evidence of the financial state of the club. 90% of you based your comments on the financial state of the club in the trusted words of the salad munchers! Will you ever learn? If you do the sums, in the last six weeks, transfers out, manager out, savings on salaries etc, season tickets sales, sponsorship money, tv money and Saracens money. Calulate some 12 to 14 million cash has come into the Russos hands as executives of the club.
and if that's the case, what does it tell us?

a) that we need the money because the last regime left us in the sh!t,
or
b) that the Russos are ripping us all off, pulling the wool over our eyes and trying to make as much money as possible before leaving, with Elton John and Graham Taylor on the board.
I, for one at least, just cannot imagine it to be the 2nd of these options.
[quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: rogeruk wrote: Mike Williamson handed in written transfer request. Sounds like the titanic, all the better players see what is happening they are demoralised and who can blame them leaving a sinking ship. I warned all of you about the Russos, not one of you had a shred of evidence of the financial state of the club. 90% of you based your comments on the financial state of the club in the trusted words of the salad munchers! Will you ever learn? If you do the sums, in the last six weeks, transfers out, manager out, savings on salaries etc, season tickets sales, sponsorship money, tv money and Saracens money. Calulate some 12 to 14 million cash has come into the Russos hands as executives of the club. [/p][/quote]and if that's the case, what does it tell us? a) that we need the money because the last regime left us in the sh!t, or b) that the Russos are ripping us all off, pulling the wool over our eyes and trying to make as much money as possible before leaving, with Elton John and Graham Taylor on the board. I, for one at least, just cannot imagine it to be the 2nd of these options. Only 2 Ross Jenkins
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4:54pm Thu 27 Aug 09

Sir Les Taylor says...

rogeruk wrote:
rogeruk wrote: Mike Williamson handed in written transfer request. Sounds like the titanic, all the better players see what is happening they are demoralised and who can blame them leaving a sinking ship. I warned all of you about the Russos, not one of you had a shred of evidence of the financial state of the club. 90% of you based your comments on the financial state of the club in the trusted words of the salad munchers! Will you ever learn? If you do the sums, in the last six weeks, transfers out, manager out, savings on salaries etc, season tickets sales, sponsorship money, tv money and Saracens money. Calulate some 12 to 14 million cash has come into the Russos hands as executives of the club.
Blah blah blah blah blah!!

Will you ever learn?
[quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: rogeruk wrote: Mike Williamson handed in written transfer request. Sounds like the titanic, all the better players see what is happening they are demoralised and who can blame them leaving a sinking ship. I warned all of you about the Russos, not one of you had a shred of evidence of the financial state of the club. 90% of you based your comments on the financial state of the club in the trusted words of the salad munchers! Will you ever learn? If you do the sums, in the last six weeks, transfers out, manager out, savings on salaries etc, season tickets sales, sponsorship money, tv money and Saracens money. Calulate some 12 to 14 million cash has come into the Russos hands as executives of the club. [/p][/quote]Blah blah blah blah blah!! Will you ever learn? Sir Les Taylor
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4:56pm Thu 27 Aug 09

mattymashup says...

ok i dont mind us selling players, but there is only a few days left for transfers. Why didnt we sell them at the start of the summer? why leave ourselves 5 days to find replacements? we need to start buying NOW
ok i dont mind us selling players, but there is only a few days left for transfers. Why didnt we sell them at the start of the summer? why leave ourselves 5 days to find replacements? we need to start buying NOW mattymashup
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4:57pm Thu 27 Aug 09

QUINNPT says...

RogerUK Utter dross. The Board are making sure survival. If can't stomach what they are doing, vote with your feet and dont support the club!
RogerUK Utter dross. The Board are making sure survival. If can't stomach what they are doing, vote with your feet and dont support the club! QUINNPT
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4:58pm Thu 27 Aug 09

oxheypaul says...

Get shot of him and DeMerit, I say.

Then we can play the outstanding Lloyd Doyley at centre-half - and maybe pair him with the equally excellent Adrian Mariappa. That will leave the left-back berth open for Mat 'Nightmare' Sadler and a spot at right-back for Jon 'No Brain' Harley.

This is beginning to look very scary.
Get shot of him and DeMerit, I say. Then we can play the outstanding Lloyd Doyley at centre-half - and maybe pair him with the equally excellent Adrian Mariappa. That will leave the left-back berth open for Mat 'Nightmare' Sadler and a spot at right-back for Jon 'No Brain' Harley. This is beginning to look very scary. oxheypaul
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4:59pm Thu 27 Aug 09

royal against rodgers says...

Only 2 Ross Jenkins wrote:
rogeruk wrote: rogeruk wrote: Mike Williamson handed in written transfer request. Sounds like the titanic, all the better players see what is happening they are demoralised and who can blame them leaving a sinking ship. I warned all of you about the Russos, not one of you had a shred of evidence of the financial state of the club. 90% of you based your comments on the financial state of the club in the trusted words of the salad munchers! Will you ever learn? If you do the sums, in the last six weeks, transfers out, manager out, savings on salaries etc, season tickets sales, sponsorship money, tv money and Saracens money. Calulate some 12 to 14 million cash has come into the Russos hands as executives of the club.
and if that's the case, what does it tell us? a) that we need the money because the last regime left us in the sh!t, or b) that the Russos are ripping us all off, pulling the wool over our eyes and trying to make as much money as possible before leaving, with Elton John and Graham Taylor on the board. I, for one at least, just cannot imagine it to be the 2nd of these options.
as a reading fan i can believe anything yours and our chairman is doing.
i think a lot of football fans aripped off there is a credit crunch. when the adverts and sponsors stop coming in who is the last one left??
the loyal supporters who pay on the turnstile,so dishthem up any old sh!t and they will take it.
[quote][p][bold]Only 2 Ross Jenkins[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: rogeruk wrote: Mike Williamson handed in written transfer request. Sounds like the titanic, all the better players see what is happening they are demoralised and who can blame them leaving a sinking ship. I warned all of you about the Russos, not one of you had a shred of evidence of the financial state of the club. 90% of you based your comments on the financial state of the club in the trusted words of the salad munchers! Will you ever learn? If you do the sums, in the last six weeks, transfers out, manager out, savings on salaries etc, season tickets sales, sponsorship money, tv money and Saracens money. Calulate some 12 to 14 million cash has come into the Russos hands as executives of the club. [/p][/quote]and if that's the case, what does it tell us? a) that we need the money because the last regime left us in the sh!t, or b) that the Russos are ripping us all off, pulling the wool over our eyes and trying to make as much money as possible before leaving, with Elton John and Graham Taylor on the board. I, for one at least, just cannot imagine it to be the 2nd of these options.[/p][/quote] as a reading fan i can believe anything yours and our chairman is doing. i think a lot of football fans aripped off there is a credit crunch. when the adverts and sponsors stop coming in who is the last one left?? the loyal supporters who pay on the turnstile,so dishthem up any old sh!t and they will take it. royal against rodgers
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5:00pm Thu 27 Aug 09

Rick Holden Forever says...

Rogeruk, couldn't agree with you more. I got booted off these message boards in a previous incarnation for daring to suggest that Simpson had made a nice tidy profit from his time as chairman.

Does anyone really think these people run a club out of the goodness of their own hearts? They are businessmen and are in it for the money.

Do you think Mr Simpson took his holidays in Bognor this year? Of course not. He is probably on a sun bed in some exotic location, clicking his fingers at the waiters whilst chuckling over last weeks edition of the Watford Observer!

Whereas Simpson openly run the club as a dictatorship, the Russo's have been shrewd enough to get the fans on board with their mantra of openness, "restructuring" and by recruiting a certain Mr Taylor to the board.

In truth, you can't put a WFC credit card between their policies. They are businessmen running the club as a viable (profit making)business. And if that means selling off the squad and dropping down a division, then so be it - hence the appointment of Mackay on a three year deal.

All of these stinks and its time a certain Mr Elton John came out in open criticism of this. Maybe then the rest of the happy clapping balance book bores would wake up!
Rogeruk, couldn't agree with you more. I got booted off these message boards in a previous incarnation for daring to suggest that Simpson had made a nice tidy profit from his time as chairman. Does anyone really think these people run a club out of the goodness of their own hearts? They are businessmen and are in it for the money. Do you think Mr Simpson took his holidays in Bognor this year? Of course not. He is probably on a sun bed in some exotic location, clicking his fingers at the waiters whilst chuckling over last weeks edition of the Watford Observer! Whereas Simpson openly run the club as a dictatorship, the Russo's have been shrewd enough to get the fans on board with their mantra of openness, "restructuring" and by recruiting a certain Mr Taylor to the board. In truth, you can't put a WFC credit card between their policies. They are businessmen running the club as a viable (profit making)business. And if that means selling off the squad and dropping down a division, then so be it - hence the appointment of Mackay on a three year deal. All of these stinks and its time a certain Mr Elton John came out in open criticism of this. Maybe then the rest of the happy clapping balance book bores would wake up! Rick Holden Forever
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5:01pm Thu 27 Aug 09

Magician says...

Any care to have a guess at Saturdays starting line-up:
Any care to have a guess at Saturdays starting line-up: Magician
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5:08pm Thu 27 Aug 09

martin62 says...

Magician wrote:
Any care to have a guess at Saturdays starting line-up:
Good shout,

I heard Swansea finished with 6 men on tuesday night - any chance we could play 6 versus 6 on saturday????
[quote][p][bold]Magician[/bold] wrote: Any care to have a guess at Saturdays starting line-up:[/p][/quote]Good shout, I heard Swansea finished with 6 men on tuesday night - any chance we could play 6 versus 6 on saturday???? martin62
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5:08pm Thu 27 Aug 09

Hornet Cornet says...

Magician wrote:
Any care to have a guess at Saturdays starting line-up:
Sherwood, Jenkins, Callaghan, Barnes, Blisset, Reilly, Armstrong, Coton (outfield), Jennings, Mo Johnston......
[quote][p][bold]Magician[/bold] wrote: Any care to have a guess at Saturdays starting line-up:[/p][/quote]Sherwood, Jenkins, Callaghan, Barnes, Blisset, Reilly, Armstrong, Coton (outfield), Jennings, Mo Johnston...... Hornet Cornet
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5:09pm Thu 27 Aug 09

watf4dboy says...

Option a clearly if you take the trouble to look at the books
Option a clearly if you take the trouble to look at the books watf4dboy
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5:10pm Thu 27 Aug 09

Only 2 Ross Jenkins says...

I think we all look forward then to Elton and Graham's thoughts on the matter.
If they openly state their dissatisfaction, then agreed we need to listen. If they stay silent, then no news is good news as they say.
But, don't forget, Elton quit the last regime because of how it was being run, then he came back after the Russo's came on board.
Surely these actions speak volumes?
I think we all look forward then to Elton and Graham's thoughts on the matter. If they openly state their dissatisfaction, then agreed we need to listen. If they stay silent, then no news is good news as they say. But, don't forget, Elton quit the last regime because of how it was being run, then he came back after the Russo's came on board. Surely these actions speak volumes? Only 2 Ross Jenkins
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5:12pm Thu 27 Aug 09

Heimishe_Hornet says...

Graham Taylor is correct - the accounts are a matter of public record and without parachute payments the losses this year will be increased by said amount. Premiership wages are way out of kilter with (small town Championship) revenues.

As for the Russos, it's not their club. the plc is a quoted company with Lord Ashcroft as largest shareholder, then the Russos, then Mr Simpson. As the plc is loss-making, these shareholders receive no dividends. The only "take" will be the Russos salary (will be publicly disclosed but you can see the executives' salary from last year) and any expenses they charge to the plc. As we've seen with MPs, it's expenses where there can be leakage.
Graham Taylor is correct - the accounts are a matter of public record and without parachute payments the losses this year will be increased by said amount. Premiership wages are way out of kilter with (small town Championship) revenues. As for the Russos, it's not their club. the plc is a quoted company with Lord Ashcroft as largest shareholder, then the Russos, then Mr Simpson. As the plc is loss-making, these shareholders receive no dividends. The only "take" will be the Russos salary (will be publicly disclosed but you can see the executives' salary from last year) and any expenses they charge to the plc. As we've seen with MPs, it's expenses where there can be leakage. Heimishe_Hornet
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5:12pm Thu 27 Aug 09

dawlishhornet says...

Be a shame to see him go as he's been a great signing. However, if he wants to go we will not likely be able to keep him.
Be a shame to see him go as he's been a great signing. However, if he wants to go we will not likely be able to keep him. dawlishhornet
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5:12pm Thu 27 Aug 09

dogwfc says...

This is probably a good time to ask - Has anyone seen Rob Kiernan play and is he any good? - I think we will be getting 2 or 3 more young premisership players on loan now. Jay Simpson and perhaps a centre half from Man Utd?
This is probably a good time to ask - Has anyone seen Rob Kiernan play and is he any good? - I think we will be getting 2 or 3 more young premisership players on loan now. Jay Simpson and perhaps a centre half from Man Utd? dogwfc
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5:13pm Thu 27 Aug 09

oxheypaul says...

Watford team to face Swansea

Chamberlain (owing to Loach's late sale to Doncaster)

Harley
Mariappa (owing to double sale of Williamson and DeMerit)
Doyley
Sadler

Eustace (somebody tell me I'm dreaming)
Bangura (taken back on loan from Blackpool)
Cleverley (tho he'll be back to Utd soon)

Ellington (if he's finished his lunch)
Graham (suddenly a Carlisle 'star' is our best bet up front)
A Triallist

Watford team to face Swansea Chamberlain (owing to Loach's late sale to Doncaster) Harley Mariappa (owing to double sale of Williamson and DeMerit) Doyley Sadler Eustace (somebody tell me I'm dreaming) Bangura (taken back on loan from Blackpool) Cleverley (tho he'll be back to Utd soon) Ellington (if he's finished his lunch) Graham (suddenly a Carlisle 'star' is our best bet up front) A Triallist oxheypaul
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5:25pm Thu 27 Aug 09

smeg says...

Hornet Cornet wrote:
Why would it be good getting a higher fee for him at Chrstmas time? We've got very few decent players left at the club, and losing TS has already confined us to the lower half of the division IMHO. No matter how much money we get for williamson, we'll have hardly any quality players left and can look forwards to League 1 at this rate. We need to strike a balance between getting money in, and being competitive. If the board continue to reject MW's transfer request and also continue to reject Pompey, then we'll have something worth looking forward to. If he goes, then we are screwed.
I fear I have to agree with the last statement. We can cope without Smith et all, but we must hang on to Williamson. To be fair, he hasn't gone anywhere yet and he is on a long contract so we have far more say over this transfer than Smith's.
[quote][p][bold]Hornet Cornet[/bold] wrote: Why would it be good getting a higher fee for him at Chrstmas time? We've got very few decent players left at the club, and losing TS has already confined us to the lower half of the division IMHO. No matter how much money we get for williamson, we'll have hardly any quality players left and can look forwards to League 1 at this rate. We need to strike a balance between getting money in, and being competitive. If the board continue to reject MW's transfer request and also continue to reject Pompey, then we'll have something worth looking forward to. If he goes, then we are screwed.[/p][/quote]I fear I have to agree with the last statement. We can cope without Smith et all, but we must hang on to Williamson. To be fair, he hasn't gone anywhere yet and he is on a long contract so we have far more say over this transfer than Smith's. smeg
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5:29pm Thu 27 Aug 09

jluck14 says...

why is there loads of reading fans on our sight, **** off
why is there loads of reading fans on our sight, **** off jluck14
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5:30pm Thu 27 Aug 09

Chris the Vic says...

Not sure about all the calculations Roger given that the season ticket money was (I think) pre the end of May and may have been used to tide us over the summer months..but equally a lot of cash will have gone through the coffers including the bigger handout from the prem thanks to Brums early return and we do seem to be dismantling the side. as you so rightly say we are light on financial info and I see with my own eyes that building work is still continuing. I have to say while I listened to the Russos and thought they got most things right the run it as a business doesnt always feel right.

Most people wanting to be football directors come in and either offer football expertise or finance, in exchange they get the publicity and glamour. The Russos I suspect are clearing the balance sheet of debt and we will finish up with 75% of a decent ground, a poor pitch and a poor team. Willo is obviously dejected at joining a club with a thrusting young manager to see it in seven months to be an ailing team selling all the other decent players. Whilst he wont take this as much consolation come January or next summer he will be sold as being too expensive for Division 1.

All those fans who support the Russos in their bid to restore sanity to our finances at all costs should make sur that this isnt an exercise to protect the shareholders from administration at whatever cost to the club. It may explain why our largest shareholder is keeping very low profile after all we arent a club he even supports

As for people like Quinn and Sir Les Taylor they are very dismissive of your thoughts but then I suspect they are equally dismissive of facts but dont like to look at things with an open mind. I dont like what is happenning at present to our team and unless Malky has a very good back up plan we are in for a very rough season. If this is brought about by unneccessary actions of a couple of chelsea fans protecting their own interests along with tacit support of a Spurs fan we will have an interesting AGM with regard to publicity but a very sorry team to support. No doubt those who dismiss your views out of hand will go through the funds flow statement and justify themselves.

Please remember one and all that Homer for several years put money in and raised investments, our directors have chosen not to consider a rights issue or a placement of shares in preference to keeping their shareholding at 29% and selling virtually all of our best players.
Not sure about all the calculations Roger given that the season ticket money was (I think) pre the end of May and may have been used to tide us over the summer months..but equally a lot of cash will have gone through the coffers including the bigger handout from the prem thanks to Brums early return and we do seem to be dismantling the side. as you so rightly say we are light on financial info and I see with my own eyes that building work is still continuing. I have to say while I listened to the Russos and thought they got most things right the run it as a business doesnt always feel right. Most people wanting to be football directors come in and either offer football expertise or finance, in exchange they get the publicity and glamour. The Russos I suspect are clearing the balance sheet of debt and we will finish up with 75% of a decent ground, a poor pitch and a poor team. Willo is obviously dejected at joining a club with a thrusting young manager to see it in seven months to be an ailing team selling all the other decent players. Whilst he wont take this as much consolation come January or next summer he will be sold as being too expensive for Division 1. All those fans who support the Russos in their bid to restore sanity to our finances at all costs should make sur that this isnt an exercise to protect the shareholders from administration at whatever cost to the club. It may explain why our largest shareholder is keeping very low profile after all we arent a club he even supports As for people like Quinn and Sir Les Taylor they are very dismissive of your thoughts but then I suspect they are equally dismissive of facts but dont like to look at things with an open mind. I dont like what is happenning at present to our team and unless Malky has a very good back up plan we are in for a very rough season. If this is brought about by unneccessary actions of a couple of chelsea fans protecting their own interests along with tacit support of a Spurs fan we will have an interesting AGM with regard to publicity but a very sorry team to support. No doubt those who dismiss your views out of hand will go through the funds flow statement and justify themselves. Please remember one and all that Homer for several years put money in and raised investments, our directors have chosen not to consider a rights issue or a placement of shares in preference to keeping their shareholding at 29% and selling virtually all of our best players. Chris the Vic
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5:43pm Thu 27 Aug 09

Heimishe_Hornet says...

Dear Smeg & Hornet - I have re-read the earlier posts and no-one (certainly not I) said it would be good getting more for MW at Christmas. A couple of observations were that it looked like he was going and it was important to get the right price if he is sold on this transfer window.

To ensure we do not feel under undue pressure to sell at the wrong price in the next few days, my comment was I doubted he'd fetch less in December.

What would - or should - be good would be having MW at CB for all the WFC games in September, October, November and December (as compared to not having MW!). By then we may (or may not) be safe, but my view is we'd be better with MW than without him.

As to the person who asked why £3m, I just think Premier League clubs value their new signings at a minimum of that level if a) they are keen to fill a hole; b) the player doesn't command extravagant wages and c) he is young and available for a reasonable length contract with on-sale possibilities.
Dear Smeg & Hornet - I have re-read the earlier posts and no-one (certainly not I) said it would be good getting more for MW at Christmas. A couple of observations were that it looked like he was going and it was important to get the right price if he is sold on this transfer window. To ensure we do not feel under undue pressure to sell at the wrong price in the next few days, my comment was I doubted he'd fetch less in December. What would - or should - be good would be having MW at CB for all the WFC games in September, October, November and December (as compared to not having MW!). By then we may (or may not) be safe, but my view is we'd be better with MW than without him. As to the person who asked why £3m, I just think Premier League clubs value their new signings at a minimum of that level if a) they are keen to fill a hole; b) the player doesn't command extravagant wages and c) he is young and available for a reasonable length contract with on-sale possibilities. Heimishe_Hornet
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5:49pm Thu 27 Aug 09

pete50 says...

NO NO NO. This would be the sale too far. He is on a long term contract at wages we can afford. Wycombe have a sell on clause. He is by far our best defender and the others are headless chickens without him. We will have to live with the other sales and most of us understand the need but this would be the final straw.
NO NO NO. This would be the sale too far. He is on a long term contract at wages we can afford. Wycombe have a sell on clause. He is by far our best defender and the others are headless chickens without him. We will have to live with the other sales and most of us understand the need but this would be the final straw. pete50
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5:49pm Thu 27 Aug 09

cliff46 says...

Everton turned down Lescotts transfer request and look what happened to them.
Williamson certain to be tempted by the opportunity to treble his wages and who could blame him.
I prefer to keep him until January when we might land a bigger fee but if in the meantime he acts like lescott it might be better to just let him go -- provided it is for £2.5M plus add ons.
I agree he is a very good player but our defensive record is far from impressive so perhaps we can afford to lose JD and Lloyd ( preferably to Mr Integrity) so long as we can get adequate replacements quickly.
I don't agree Harley is brain dead Oxhey Paul-- I think he could do much better than Lloyd at left back currently and he is a more consistent left winger than McInuff ever was.
Everton turned down Lescotts transfer request and look what happened to them. Williamson certain to be tempted by the opportunity to treble his wages and who could blame him. I prefer to keep him until January when we might land a bigger fee but if in the meantime he acts like lescott it might be better to just let him go -- provided it is for £2.5M plus add ons. I agree he is a very good player but our defensive record is far from impressive so perhaps we can afford to lose JD and Lloyd ( preferably to Mr Integrity) so long as we can get adequate replacements quickly. I don't agree Harley is brain dead Oxhey Paul-- I think he could do much better than Lloyd at left back currently and he is a more consistent left winger than McInuff ever was. cliff46
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5:51pm Thu 27 Aug 09

centralhornet says...

is all stinks...players (and manager) leaving us for other clubs, the board to explain the unrest, though no to Taylor and Elton in charge, the last season with taylor as manager was dyer.
is all stinks...players (and manager) leaving us for other clubs, the board to explain the unrest, though no to Taylor and Elton in charge, the last season with taylor as manager was dyer. centralhornet
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5:51pm Thu 27 Aug 09

Hornet Cornet says...

Heimishe_Hornet wrote:
Dear Smeg & Hornet - I have re-read the earlier posts and no-one (certainly not I) said it would be good getting more for MW at Christmas. A couple of observations were that it looked like he was going and it was important to get the right price if he is sold on this transfer window. To ensure we do not feel under undue pressure to sell at the wrong price in the next few days, my comment was I doubted he'd fetch less in December. What would - or should - be good would be having MW at CB for all the WFC games in September, October, November and December (as compared to not having MW!). By then we may (or may not) be safe, but my view is we'd be better with MW than without him. As to the person who asked why £3m, I just think Premier League clubs value their new signings at a minimum of that level if a) they are keen to fill a hole; b) the player doesn't command extravagant wages and c) he is young and available for a reasonable length contract with on-sale possibilities.
Points very well made HH. Let's all just hope it works out well for the club. Main aim from a Cornet perspective is just to stay up this season. I've just got this horrible sinking feeling in me at the moment. Last season it was due to Hoofers and the Board all being utterly utterly useless. This season I wasn't too bad with MM being put in charge, but the size of the financial mess (again due to last season's manager & board) isn;t easy to manage.

Like I said (somewhere or other), we need to strike the right balance, not shoot ourselves in the foot and not go too knee-jerky in transfer dealings.

Still feel sorry for Malky, just hope he has enough nous and luck to keep us up this season.
[quote][p][bold]Heimishe_Hornet[/bold] wrote: Dear Smeg & Hornet - I have re-read the earlier posts and no-one (certainly not I) said it would be good getting more for MW at Christmas. A couple of observations were that it looked like he was going and it was important to get the right price if he is sold on this transfer window. To ensure we do not feel under undue pressure to sell at the wrong price in the next few days, my comment was I doubted he'd fetch less in December. What would - or should - be good would be having MW at CB for all the WFC games in September, October, November and December (as compared to not having MW!). By then we may (or may not) be safe, but my view is we'd be better with MW than without him. As to the person who asked why £3m, I just think Premier League clubs value their new signings at a minimum of that level if a) they are keen to fill a hole; b) the player doesn't command extravagant wages and c) he is young and available for a reasonable length contract with on-sale possibilities.[/p][/quote]Points very well made HH. Let's all just hope it works out well for the club. Main aim from a Cornet perspective is just to stay up this season. I've just got this horrible sinking feeling in me at the moment. Last season it was due to Hoofers and the Board all being utterly utterly useless. This season I wasn't too bad with MM being put in charge, but the size of the financial mess (again due to last season's manager & board) isn;t easy to manage. Like I said (somewhere or other), we need to strike the right balance, not shoot ourselves in the foot and not go too knee-jerky in transfer dealings. Still feel sorry for Malky, just hope he has enough nous and luck to keep us up this season. Hornet Cornet
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6:01pm Thu 27 Aug 09

pricey2009 says...

Absolute ****, the russos can't steady this ship, taylor can't assure us, elton will just watch. We are going down and were not coming back
Absolute ****, the russos can't steady this ship, taylor can't assure us, elton will just watch. We are going down and were not coming back pricey2009
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6:04pm Thu 27 Aug 09

Heimishe_Hornet says...

Thanks Hornet Cornet - am pretty sure MM must have known what was what when he took on the job (unlike, to be fair to him, BR). I'd love to hang on to MW until Xmas or all season if we possibly can....
Thanks Hornet Cornet - am pretty sure MM must have known what was what when he took on the job (unlike, to be fair to him, BR). I'd love to hang on to MW until Xmas or all season if we possibly can.... Heimishe_Hornet
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6:07pm Thu 27 Aug 09

Dr.Oftaw says...

Magician wrote:
Any care to have a guess at Saturdays starting line-up:
at this rate it the starting line up could well be;
rogeruk
hornet cornet
bizlink
chris the vic
smeg
heimishe hornet
rick holden
garston tony
enlightened one
hexham hornet
only 2 ross jenkins
and i`ll do the oranges!
[quote][p][bold]Magician[/bold] wrote: Any care to have a guess at Saturdays starting line-up:[/p][/quote]at this rate it the starting line up could well be; rogeruk hornet cornet bizlink chris the vic smeg heimishe hornet rick holden garston tony enlightened one hexham hornet only 2 ross jenkins and i`ll do the oranges! Dr.Oftaw
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6:07pm Thu 27 Aug 09

bizlink says...

FOr those like HC who cannot think properly.

Seling in jan is better as,1) we keep him playing for us in Sept/Oct/Nov/Dec.2) we get TIME to find replacements.

OK?
FOr those like HC who cannot think properly. Seling in jan is better as,1) we keep him playing for us in Sept/Oct/Nov/Dec.2) we get TIME to find replacements. OK? bizlink
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6:12pm Thu 27 Aug 09

Hornet Cornet says...

For Bizlink, who thinks about as straight as an un-roman road (do you like that one?), if he wants to go now, what makes you think he's going to play well until January? He may spit his dummy out and do a Lescott? Doh.
For Bizlink, who thinks about as straight as an un-roman road (do you like that one?), if he wants to go now, what makes you think he's going to play well until January? He may spit his dummy out and do a Lescott? Doh. Hornet Cornet
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6:15pm Thu 27 Aug 09

Dr.Oftaw says...

could my team please stop squabbling or there will be no half time oranges.
could my team please stop squabbling or there will be no half time oranges. Dr.Oftaw
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6:18pm Thu 27 Aug 09

Hornet Cornet says...

sorry!
sorry! Hornet Cornet
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6:19pm Thu 27 Aug 09

There was only one Scully says...

Interesting thing about Willo is that he started his career on the sarf coast wiv pompeys enemy The Saints.
Obviously a player in a hurry, I say let him go cos he could end up sulking like Lescott.
The other thing about whats going on with our club is, the door only one way? Seems strange that MM aint being given any say or option on these bizzy deals and no sign of any new arrivals on the horizon.
The way things seem to be going, my moneys on Ellington being asked to turn out the lights when, he leaves!
I think we've got a few more shocks to come yet.
Interesting thing about Willo is that he started his career on the sarf coast wiv pompeys enemy The Saints. Obviously a player in a hurry, I say let him go cos he could end up sulking like Lescott. The other thing about whats going on with our club is, the door only one way? Seems strange that MM aint being given any say or option on these bizzy deals and no sign of any new arrivals on the horizon. The way things seem to be going, my moneys on Ellington being asked to turn out the lights when, he leaves! I think we've got a few more shocks to come yet. There was only one Scully
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6:24pm Thu 27 Aug 09

straight red says...

Togger UK & Dick Holden

Your comments are as usual utter negative drivel. Well wide of the mark and baseless - do you actually have access to the TRUE financial affairs at WFC? thought not...

You are becoming predictably tedious, please come back at the end of school term when all has been fully explained to you (slowly)
Togger UK & Dick Holden Your comments are as usual utter negative drivel. Well wide of the mark and baseless - do you actually have access to the TRUE financial affairs at WFC? thought not... You are becoming predictably tedious, please come back at the end of school term when all has been fully explained to you (slowly) straight red
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6:28pm Thu 27 Aug 09

Johnjones1959 says...

I bags being sub next week ! cant do this week as I've eaten too many pies and been lashed up since Sunday, could be a double for the ball if desperate, bring back Colin Simpson all is forgiven !!!!
I bags being sub next week ! cant do this week as I've eaten too many pies and been lashed up since Sunday, could be a double for the ball if desperate, bring back Colin Simpson all is forgiven !!!! Johnjones1959
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6:29pm Thu 27 Aug 09

crazy comments says...

Being a Colchester supporter I know how it feels when all your players leave ship. We also have a problem at Col Utd again with The manager and his assistants gone to skum Norwich plus Yeates,Jackson,Gerki
n and Hammond left and now Perkins who also wants to leave. What the hell are contracts for. Its about time something was done because I have been following football for over 55 years and I am sick to death of the modern way this game has gone. It brings heartache to supporters to see their teams broken up. This transfer deadline should be made two weeks before the season starts. We are like you now short on 3 of our best players and the season has started. Sorry but us supporters are getting ripped off big time to pay the greedy agents and players
Being a Colchester supporter I know how it feels when all your players leave ship. We also have a problem at Col Utd again with The manager and his assistants gone to skum Norwich plus Yeates,Jackson,Gerki n and Hammond left and now Perkins who also wants to leave. What the hell are contracts for. Its about time something was done because I have been following football for over 55 years and I am sick to death of the modern way this game has gone. It brings heartache to supporters to see their teams broken up. This transfer deadline should be made two weeks before the season starts. We are like you now short on 3 of our best players and the season has started. Sorry but us supporters are getting ripped off big time to pay the greedy agents and players crazy comments
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6:29pm Thu 27 Aug 09

Prof Plum says...

Take the cash. There's plenty more players of Williamson's calibre scuffing around in Divs 3&4 that are capable of doing a job for us for a year or two in Division 2 while we steady the ship.
Take the cash. There's plenty more players of Williamson's calibre scuffing around in Divs 3&4 that are capable of doing a job for us for a year or two in Division 2 while we steady the ship. Prof Plum
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6:33pm Thu 27 Aug 09

jasonwatford says...

Lets Calm down........Insist on 3 million for him and leave it at that...if anyone comes in with that then let the boy go....there are others out there like him and in the meantime play mariappa at centre back coz thats where he is best at. I cant believe out luck getting any fee for jobless notenuff .......shame raziak has gone to a judas he didnt rate him or talk to him for the first 2 months.
Lets Calm down........Insist on 3 million for him and leave it at that...if anyone comes in with that then let the boy go....there are others out there like him and in the meantime play mariappa at centre back coz thats where he is best at. I cant believe out luck getting any fee for jobless notenuff .......shame raziak has gone to a judas he didnt rate him or talk to him for the first 2 months. jasonwatford
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6:37pm Thu 27 Aug 09

smalon says...

How desperate are Pompey that they are looking to players frm a struggling championship club to save them in the premiership?
How many player will we have off-loaded since the end of last season if MW leaves, 15? 16?
I know we are struggling financialy but we need to get a few players in quick as the squad is paper thin at the moment.
How desperate are Pompey that they are looking to players frm a struggling championship club to save them in the premiership? How many player will we have off-loaded since the end of last season if MW leaves, 15? 16? I know we are struggling financialy but we need to get a few players in quick as the squad is paper thin at the moment. smalon
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6:38pm Thu 27 Aug 09

watfordguymatt says...

.... until they get enough money. If it is true that McAnuff has gone for only 500k then williamson will be about 750k probably. This is an absolute disaster, total shambles. Relegation for sure, absolutely no hopes for survival.

Watford, I can kick a ball just about... well, you'll need someone to fill the academy now all of them will be promoted to the first team...

Oh, and I'm sure Seites and Avinel might be up for grabs...
.... until they get enough money. If it is true that McAnuff has gone for only 500k then williamson will be about 750k probably. This is an absolute disaster, total shambles. Relegation for sure, absolutely no hopes for survival. Watford, I can kick a ball just about... well, you'll need someone to fill the academy now all of them will be promoted to the first team... Oh, and I'm sure Seites and Avinel might be up for grabs... watfordguymatt
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6:44pm Thu 27 Aug 09

UZZY says...

This is like being in a boxing match,winning a couple of rounds with max points and then being floored by a blow below the belt,roll on Tuesday so we can get off this rollocosta....great bit of buisness getting rid of McNuff ,Judas is welcome to him...Williamson we must hold onto him,& if the money is still tight at Christmas sell him on then,we wont loose out but gain some valuable points between now & then. The only problem will be if he gets the hump at being knocked back re a move & starts not pulling his weight at the back....great security word....side -weak , some one at the Wat Ob has a sense of humour & by god we all need that at the moment.

This is like being in a boxing match,winning a couple of rounds with max points and then being floored by a blow below the belt,roll on Tuesday so we can get off this rollocosta....great bit of buisness getting rid of McNuff ,Judas is welcome to him...Williamson we must hold onto him,& if the money is still tight at Christmas sell him on then,we wont loose out but gain some valuable points between now & then. The only problem will be if he gets the hump at being knocked back re a move & starts not pulling his weight at the back....great security word....side -weak , some one at the Wat Ob has a sense of humour & by god we all need that at the moment. UZZY
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6:52pm Thu 27 Aug 09

lutondown says...

jasonwatford wrote:
Lets Calm down........Insist on 3 million for him and leave it at that...if anyone comes in with that then let the boy go....there are others out there like him and in the meantime play mariappa at centre back coz thats where he is best at. I cant believe out luck getting any fee for jobless notenuff .......shame raziak has gone to a judas he didnt rate him or talk to him for the first 2 months.
agree, a shame but good business on MacFluff. I was rather hoping for Rasiak, but hey ho! I just wish they would lose Doyley and marimuppet, they are hopeless
[quote][p][bold]jasonwatford[/bold] wrote: Lets Calm down........Insist on 3 million for him and leave it at that...if anyone comes in with that then let the boy go....there are others out there like him and in the meantime play mariappa at centre back coz thats where he is best at. I cant believe out luck getting any fee for jobless notenuff .......shame raziak has gone to a judas he didnt rate him or talk to him for the first 2 months.[/p][/quote]agree, a shame but good business on MacFluff. I was rather hoping for Rasiak, but hey ho! I just wish they would lose Doyley and marimuppet, they are hopeless lutondown
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7:01pm Thu 27 Aug 09

Ellaye263 says...

Received an email from WFC this afternoon with the subject line "Fancy your chances this season?"!!!!!!!!!!!!
!! It's actually to do with the football pools but things are surely not far from emailing fans to see if they're available to turn out!
Received an email from WFC this afternoon with the subject line "Fancy your chances this season?"!!!!!!!!!!!! !! It's actually to do with the football pools but things are surely not far from emailing fans to see if they're available to turn out! Ellaye263
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7:08pm Thu 27 Aug 09

rj horn says...

looks like im going to be digging to boots out the shed for saturday. were going down and aint coming back
looks like im going to be digging to boots out the shed for saturday. were going down and aint coming back rj horn
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7:13pm Thu 27 Aug 09

djwatford says...

It's amazing that fans are willingly accepting this mass sell off.
The Russos have saved us from nothing.All they have done is ensure we have zero decent players left at the club and can look forward to certain relegation.
I don't blame Rodgers for leaving our sinking ship.
How can anyone hail the Russos as saviours?They are getting all their money back now and have left us with virtually nothing.How can anyone willingly accept this?
I'm sure Jimmy will come out with another puff piece to appease the fans but it'll be the usual rubbish.
How could administration be worse than this?
We bought Season Tickets expecting a decent,competitive season.Instead they sell the manager and all the decent players and replace them with the cheapest replacements possible.
Surely it is our job as supporters to rally against such incompetence by yet another board.
Some on here want you to accept whatever the Russos do as being best for the club.I hope they manage to remove their blinkers soon.
It's amazing that fans are willingly accepting this mass sell off. The Russos have saved us from nothing.All they have done is ensure we have zero decent players left at the club and can look forward to certain relegation. I don't blame Rodgers for leaving our sinking ship. How can anyone hail the Russos as saviours?They are getting all their money back now and have left us with virtually nothing.How can anyone willingly accept this? I'm sure Jimmy will come out with another puff piece to appease the fans but it'll be the usual rubbish. How could administration be worse than this? We bought Season Tickets expecting a decent,competitive season.Instead they sell the manager and all the decent players and replace them with the cheapest replacements possible. Surely it is our job as supporters to rally against such incompetence by yet another board. Some on here want you to accept whatever the Russos do as being best for the club.I hope they manage to remove their blinkers soon. djwatford
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7:14pm Thu 27 Aug 09

Big Tony says...

RogerUK, You really are prize, paranoid pilchard!

RogerUK, You really are prize, paranoid pilchard! Big Tony
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7:15pm Thu 27 Aug 09

Big Tony says...

And you too, dj Watford. Administartion could be worse than this because we could easily go out of business!
.
You great nelly.
And you too, dj Watford. Administartion could be worse than this because we could easily go out of business! . You great nelly. Big Tony
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7:21pm Thu 27 Aug 09

grahamwfc says...

watfordguymatt wrote:
.... until they get enough money. If it is true that McAnuff has gone for only 500k then williamson will be about 750k probably. This is an absolute disaster, total shambles. Relegation for sure, absolutely no hopes for survival. Watford, I can kick a ball just about... well, you'll need someone to fill the academy now all of them will be promoted to the first team... Oh, and I'm sure Seites and Avinel might be up for grabs...
Matt - that is absolute tosh & as helpful is that "plum" Plum saying there are plebty of equally good centre halves in Div 3 & 4 - he fails to name any.
Another Cb went from Cardiff to Brum for I believe £7m, incidently he also played for Wycome Wanderers namely Roger Johnson. Is he as good as MW? NO he is not.
With WW on a 50% sell on clause at yor price we would get £325k!!!
The sensible thing here is to rely on the lads good sense & professionalism & offer him a buy out clause of £5m. If he plays well enough we will benefit, hopefully be mid table come January & had 4 months to scout a replacement - Prof Plum may already have that sorted anyway; please pass details to JR. In the meantime MW will have enhanced his reputation & half the Premier will be desperate for a stopper to keep out of the regulation dog fight.
Team Saturday
Richard Lee
Lee Hodson
Jay Demerit
MW or Doyley
Doyley or Mariappa
Cowie
Eustace
Jenkins
Cleverley
Graham
Hoskins

Keep the faith
[quote][p][bold]watfordguymatt[/bold] wrote: .... until they get enough money. If it is true that McAnuff has gone for only 500k then williamson will be about 750k probably. This is an absolute disaster, total shambles. Relegation for sure, absolutely no hopes for survival. Watford, I can kick a ball just about... well, you'll need someone to fill the academy now all of them will be promoted to the first team... Oh, and I'm sure Seites and Avinel might be up for grabs... [/p][/quote]Matt - that is absolute tosh & as helpful is that "plum" Plum saying there are plebty of equally good centre halves in Div 3 & 4 - he fails to name any. Another Cb went from Cardiff to Brum for I believe £7m, incidently he also played for Wycome Wanderers namely Roger Johnson. Is he as good as MW? NO he is not. With WW on a 50% sell on clause at yor price we would get £325k!!! The sensible thing here is to rely on the lads good sense & professionalism & offer him a buy out clause of £5m. If he plays well enough we will benefit, hopefully be mid table come January & had 4 months to scout a replacement - Prof Plum may already have that sorted anyway; please pass details to JR. In the meantime MW will have enhanced his reputation & half the Premier will be desperate for a stopper to keep out of the regulation dog fight. Team Saturday Richard Lee Lee Hodson Jay Demerit MW or Doyley Doyley or Mariappa Cowie Eustace Jenkins Cleverley Graham Hoskins Keep the faith grahamwfc
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7:36pm Thu 27 Aug 09

After the Goldrush says...

Cliff Holton, Billy Jennings, Mighty Mo, Digger, and plenty more of varied talent, once a selling club....always a selling club
Cliff Holton, Billy Jennings, Mighty Mo, Digger, and plenty more of varied talent, once a selling club....always a selling club After the Goldrush
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7:43pm Thu 27 Aug 09

Johan Cruyff says...

1. Of course we are a selling club. 80% of the teams in this league are!

2. From £150k to a seven figure bid in 9 months is **** good business.

3. If a PL club come calling and you are in a lower Championship side, of course you want to go and try your hand. Who wouldn't.

4. Loyalty? He's only been here 9 months!!! What loyalty is built in that time? Don't be naive. Good luck to him and we will take the money.

5. The trick now is how to reinvest. Finding sufficient talent to bring in, even if it is another MW who lasts less than a year - its all good business. Some money for Malky to try and rebuild and the rest to secure our future and pay off the building work.

6. Sometimes you have to go down before you can go higher. holding ourselves in this league should be priority and then we can build slowly and responsibly.
1. Of course we are a selling club. 80% of the teams in this league are! 2. From £150k to a seven figure bid in 9 months is **** good business. 3. If a PL club come calling and you are in a lower Championship side, of course you want to go and try your hand. Who wouldn't. 4. Loyalty? He's only been here 9 months!!! What loyalty is built in that time? Don't be naive. Good luck to him and we will take the money. 5. The trick now is how to reinvest. Finding sufficient talent to bring in, even if it is another MW who lasts less than a year - its all good business. Some money for Malky to try and rebuild and the rest to secure our future and pay off the building work. 6. Sometimes you have to go down before you can go higher. holding ourselves in this league should be priority and then we can build slowly and responsibly. Johan Cruyff
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7:44pm Thu 27 Aug 09

just watford says...

What a day! It's time we got off BR back we got £500K for him, he bumped the TS money up to £2M, brought powder puff the second (There is only one Jamie Moorley!)for £500K, Now everyone if we are really nice to him he might buy Doyley to!!
RESULT
What a day! It's time we got off BR back we got £500K for him, he bumped the TS money up to £2M, brought powder puff the second (There is only one Jamie Moorley!)for £500K, Now everyone if we are really nice to him he might buy Doyley to!! RESULT just watford
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7:48pm Thu 27 Aug 09

The Rover says...

djwatford wrote:
It's amazing that fans are willingly accepting this mass sell off. The Russos have saved us from nothing.All they have done is ensure we have zero decent players left at the club and can look forward to certain relegation. I don't blame Rodgers for leaving our sinking ship. How can anyone hail the Russos as saviours?They are getting all their money back now and have left us with virtually nothing.How can anyone willingly accept this? I'm sure Jimmy will come out with another puff piece to appease the fans but it'll be the usual rubbish. How could administration be worse than this? We bought Season Tickets expecting a decent,competitive season.Instead they sell the manager and all the decent players and replace them with the cheapest replacements possible. Surely it is our job as supporters to rally against such incompetence by yet another board. Some on here want you to accept whatever the Russos do as being best for the club.I hope they manage to remove their blinkers soon.
What you are forgetting is that things would be much worse if Simpson was at the helm and the Russos had not lent the club money when it was desperately needed.

The club rejecting MW's transfer request could mean that enough players have been sold to balance things and reduce the wage bill, or they could bve holding out for a better offer. Either way at least the 1st offer that came along has not been accepted so things cannot be that bad.
[quote][p][bold]djwatford[/bold] wrote: It's amazing that fans are willingly accepting this mass sell off. The Russos have saved us from nothing.All they have done is ensure we have zero decent players left at the club and can look forward to certain relegation. I don't blame Rodgers for leaving our sinking ship. How can anyone hail the Russos as saviours?They are getting all their money back now and have left us with virtually nothing.How can anyone willingly accept this? I'm sure Jimmy will come out with another puff piece to appease the fans but it'll be the usual rubbish. How could administration be worse than this? We bought Season Tickets expecting a decent,competitive season.Instead they sell the manager and all the decent players and replace them with the cheapest replacements possible. Surely it is our job as supporters to rally against such incompetence by yet another board. Some on here want you to accept whatever the Russos do as being best for the club.I hope they manage to remove their blinkers soon. [/p][/quote]What you are forgetting is that things would be much worse if Simpson was at the helm and the Russos had not lent the club money when it was desperately needed. The club rejecting MW's transfer request could mean that enough players have been sold to balance things and reduce the wage bill, or they could bve holding out for a better offer. Either way at least the 1st offer that came along has not been accepted so things cannot be that bad. The Rover
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7:51pm Thu 27 Aug 09

Prof Plum says...

All of you wetting yourselves at the prospect of us flogging a couple of players are truly pathetic! With your half-baked and ill-informed conspiracy theories you make me vomit!

Try and get it through your skulls, that this club needs to raise money fast to avoid going bust and then, going forward, to rebuild our disgrace of a stadium. If the only way to achieve those twin objectives is through player sales then so be it. A few seasons treading water in Division Two or kicking around in the lower leagues would be a price well worth paying for a financially stable, well run club and a stadium worthy of the name - instead of the low-grade s**t hole that Vicarage Road became on Simpson’s watch.
All of you wetting yourselves at the prospect of us flogging a couple of players are truly pathetic! With your half-baked and ill-informed conspiracy theories you make me vomit! Try and get it through your skulls, that this club needs to raise money fast to avoid going bust and then, going forward, to rebuild our disgrace of a stadium. If the only way to achieve those twin objectives is through player sales then so be it. A few seasons treading water in Division Two or kicking around in the lower leagues would be a price well worth paying for a financially stable, well run club and a stadium worthy of the name - instead of the low-grade s**t hole that Vicarage Road became on Simpson’s watch. Prof Plum
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7:55pm Thu 27 Aug 09

4boys says...

Plum by name
How do you know what a state the clubs finances are just because the people running the club say so, just remember the last lot made out they were doing the right thing and left us with high wage earners not playing.
We're doomed
Plum by name How do you know what a state the clubs finances are just because the people running the club say so, just remember the last lot made out they were doing the right thing and left us with high wage earners not playing. We're doomed 4boys
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7:58pm Thu 27 Aug 09

4boys says...

It is a **** hole though
It is a **** hole though 4boys
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8:05pm Thu 27 Aug 09

4boys says...

Still at least the developers will make a packet out of the (eyesore) flats being built around the stadium.
Still at least the developers will make a packet out of the (eyesore) flats being built around the stadium. 4boys
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8:06pm Thu 27 Aug 09

Prof Plum says...

4boys wrote:
Plum by name
How do you know what a state the clubs finances are just because the people running the club say so, just remember the last lot made out they were doing the right thing and left us with high wage earners not playing.
We're doomed
So you think the whole thing about WFC being a little short at the moment has all been fabricated by the Russo's do you? Good grief.

You can get tablets for paranoia you know.




[quote][p][bold]4boys[/bold] wrote: Plum by name How do you know what a state the clubs finances are just because the people running the club say so, just remember the last lot made out they were doing the right thing and left us with high wage earners not playing. We're doomed[/p][/quote]So you think the whole thing about WFC being a little short at the moment has all been fabricated by the Russo's do you? Good grief. You can get tablets for paranoia you know. Prof Plum
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8:06pm Thu 27 Aug 09

peter10531089 says...

Couldn't agree with Johan more!!!

The question is really now one that turns to Malky (and the clubs new player recruitment strategy!!!!) as to what do they do next. Any club should look to mitigate its risk by looking at its staff and identifying which players are flight risks - Smith, McAnuff and Williamson were always the most likely to go, so if we havent already identified younger, lower cost (even on our budget), lower profile replacements then questions should be asked.

Dont forget Kevin Phillips, Les Ferdinand, Stuart Pearce, DJ Campbell (yeah I know I'm pushing it with this one but you get my point) have emerged from the non league game and there are many others out there, although Malky does seem fixated with buying from his homeland.

Crewe and Ajax are both selling clubs but they also grow their own as well from academies and pick up cast offs and turn them into gems - the difference is when they sell one they go and look for the next gem to polish rather than go and waste money on older players who will not give back value (Rasiak for example would have been dead money as opposed to a younger alternative).

If we are to be a selling club lets do it right....
Couldn't agree with Johan more!!! The question is really now one that turns to Malky (and the clubs new player recruitment strategy!!!!) as to what do they do next. Any club should look to mitigate its risk by looking at its staff and identifying which players are flight risks - Smith, McAnuff and Williamson were always the most likely to go, so if we havent already identified younger, lower cost (even on our budget), lower profile replacements then questions should be asked. Dont forget Kevin Phillips, Les Ferdinand, Stuart Pearce, DJ Campbell (yeah I know I'm pushing it with this one but you get my point) have emerged from the non league game and there are many others out there, although Malky does seem fixated with buying from his homeland. Crewe and Ajax are both selling clubs but they also grow their own as well from academies and pick up cast offs and turn them into gems - the difference is when they sell one they go and look for the next gem to polish rather than go and waste money on older players who will not give back value (Rasiak for example would have been dead money as opposed to a younger alternative). If we are to be a selling club lets do it right.... peter10531089
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8:09pm Thu 27 Aug 09

martin62 says...

I think we are being a bit unfair on "the Vic" - i reckon these fire safety certificates are overrated!!!!
I think we are being a bit unfair on "the Vic" - i reckon these fire safety certificates are overrated!!!! martin62
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8:14pm Thu 27 Aug 09

baldo says...

Guys,

Russo's have no choice either jay or MW goes still need to find a million by the end of the month- watch this space

Jay did not play Tues cos his contract (that Hoofers agreed too) states he gets 3K a game on top of his wages so WFC can't afford to play him every game- more sales too come.

Its either sales or no club.
Guys, Russo's have no choice either jay or MW goes still need to find a million by the end of the month- watch this space Jay did not play Tues cos his contract (that Hoofers agreed too) states he gets 3K a game on top of his wages so WFC can't afford to play him every game- more sales too come. Its either sales or no club. baldo
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8:15pm Thu 27 Aug 09

bomber18 says...

Rick Holden Forever wrote:
Rogeruk, couldn't agree with you more. I got booted off these message boards in a previous incarnation for daring to suggest that Simpson had made a nice tidy profit from his time as chairman. Does anyone really think these people run a club out of the goodness of their own hearts? They are businessmen and are in it for the money. Do you think Mr Simpson took his holidays in Bognor this year? Of course not. He is probably on a sun bed in some exotic location, clicking his fingers at the waiters whilst chuckling over last weeks edition of the Watford Observer! Whereas Simpson openly run the club as a dictatorship, the Russo's have been shrewd enough to get the fans on board with their mantra of openness, "restructuring" and by recruiting a certain Mr Taylor to the board. In truth, you can't put a WFC credit card between their policies. They are businessmen running the club as a viable (profit making)business. And if that means selling off the squad and dropping down a division, then so be it - hence the appointment of Mackay on a three year deal. All of these stinks and its time a certain Mr Elton John came out in open criticism of this. Maybe then the rest of the happy clapping balance book bores would wake up!
Never mind a certain SIR Elton John what about a certain Graham Taylor,just what is he doing?Certainly no words of wisdom from him.Surely he isn't on the Board to collect some shekles,or is he.Say something GT to raise the morale of OUR fans.
[quote][p][bold]Rick Holden Forever[/bold] wrote: Rogeruk, couldn't agree with you more. I got booted off these message boards in a previous incarnation for daring to suggest that Simpson had made a nice tidy profit from his time as chairman. Does anyone really think these people run a club out of the goodness of their own hearts? They are businessmen and are in it for the money. Do you think Mr Simpson took his holidays in Bognor this year? Of course not. He is probably on a sun bed in some exotic location, clicking his fingers at the waiters whilst chuckling over last weeks edition of the Watford Observer! Whereas Simpson openly run the club as a dictatorship, the Russo's have been shrewd enough to get the fans on board with their mantra of openness, "restructuring" and by recruiting a certain Mr Taylor to the board. In truth, you can't put a WFC credit card between their policies. They are businessmen running the club as a viable (profit making)business. And if that means selling off the squad and dropping down a division, then so be it - hence the appointment of Mackay on a three year deal. All of these stinks and its time a certain Mr Elton John came out in open criticism of this. Maybe then the rest of the happy clapping balance book bores would wake up![/p][/quote]Never mind a certain SIR Elton John what about a certain Graham Taylor,just what is he doing?Certainly no words of wisdom from him.Surely he isn't on the Board to collect some shekles,or is he.Say something GT to raise the morale of OUR fans. bomber18
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8:22pm Thu 27 Aug 09

peter10531089 says...

I'm sorry but if you really think you can question GT's integrity then you are havin a laugh!! The club is only as high as it is due to the legacy that he and SEJ left us. They have never acted without honour and integrity towards the football club and its fans. You may be too young to remember the shrodells stand and the fourth division but I do. GT and SEJ deserve nothing but thanks and respect and you show them neither!
I'm sorry but if you really think you can question GT's integrity then you are havin a laugh!! The club is only as high as it is due to the legacy that he and SEJ left us. They have never acted without honour and integrity towards the football club and its fans. You may be too young to remember the shrodells stand and the fourth division but I do. GT and SEJ deserve nothing but thanks and respect and you show them neither! peter10531089
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8:29pm Thu 27 Aug 09

Rick Holden Forever says...

Prof Plum wrote:
All of you wetting yourselves at the prospect of us flogging a couple of players are truly pathetic! With your half-baked and ill-informed conspiracy theories you make me vomit!

Try and get it through your skulls, that this club needs to raise money fast to avoid going bust and then, going forward, to rebuild our disgrace of a stadium. If the only way to achieve those twin objectives is through player sales then so be it. A few seasons treading water in Division Two or kicking around in the lower leagues would be a price well worth paying for a financially stable, well run club and a stadium worthy of the name - instead of the low-grade s**t hole that Vicarage Road became on Simpson’s watch.
So relegation is acceptable in your blinkered, brainless perspective. What is your name, professor dumb?

Its idiots like you who have allowed countless boards over the years to rape this club for all its worth and get away with it.

I bet you've even got a poster of Petchey on your wall...oh i forgot, you weren't born then.
[quote][p][bold]Prof Plum[/bold] wrote: All of you wetting yourselves at the prospect of us flogging a couple of players are truly pathetic! With your half-baked and ill-informed conspiracy theories you make me vomit! Try and get it through your skulls, that this club needs to raise money fast to avoid going bust and then, going forward, to rebuild our disgrace of a stadium. If the only way to achieve those twin objectives is through player sales then so be it. A few seasons treading water in Division Two or kicking around in the lower leagues would be a price well worth paying for a financially stable, well run club and a stadium worthy of the name - instead of the low-grade s**t hole that Vicarage Road became on Simpson’s watch. [/p][/quote]So relegation is acceptable in your blinkered, brainless perspective. What is your name, professor dumb? Its idiots like you who have allowed countless boards over the years to rape this club for all its worth and get away with it. I bet you've even got a poster of Petchey on your wall...oh i forgot, you weren't born then. Rick Holden Forever
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8:32pm Thu 27 Aug 09

bomber18 says...

There was only one Scully wrote:
Interesting thing about Willo is that he started his career on the sarf coast wiv pompeys enemy The Saints. Obviously a player in a hurry, I say let him go cos he could end up sulking like Lescott. The other thing about whats going on with our club is, the door only one way? Seems strange that MM aint being given any say or option on these bizzy deals and no sign of any new arrivals on the horizon. The way things seem to be going, my moneys on Ellington being asked to turn out the lights when, he leaves! I think we've got a few more shocks to come yet.
What is strange about MM not having any say on our transfer deals?What made you think he ever did?Why was he chosen as the cheap option?Because he knows his place!!
[quote][p][bold]There was only one Scully[/bold] wrote: Interesting thing about Willo is that he started his career on the sarf coast wiv pompeys enemy The Saints. Obviously a player in a hurry, I say let him go cos he could end up sulking like Lescott. The other thing about whats going on with our club is, the door only one way? Seems strange that MM aint being given any say or option on these bizzy deals and no sign of any new arrivals on the horizon. The way things seem to be going, my moneys on Ellington being asked to turn out the lights when, he leaves! I think we've got a few more shocks to come yet. [/p][/quote]What is strange about MM not having any say on our transfer deals?What made you think he ever did?Why was he chosen as the cheap option?Because he knows his place!! bomber18
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8:38pm Thu 27 Aug 09

straight red says...

DJ Watford and once again for Togger UK, Dick Holden and other naive dreamers who fail to grasp the blindingly obvious...

The club are effectively skint - there you are I've said it now - DO YOU UNDERSTAND?? Won't reveal my sources so don't ask - but please feel free to dispute with FACTS.

DJ to suggest the Russo's have had there money back is folly - on the contrary they are sticking their neck out and keeping this club from going in to administration.

The club is haemorrhaging SUBSTANTIAL sums monthly, with future financial liabilities waiting around the corner created by the former incompetent regime.

No.1 priority is championship survival and to build a viable and financially stable club going forward.

If you want to 'support' the club then focus on getting getting behind Malky and the team - unless of course you are going to step forward, make a financial offer to buy and run the club and impart your vision for success?

Thought not...
DJ Watford and once again for Togger UK, Dick Holden and other naive dreamers who fail to grasp the blindingly obvious... The club are effectively skint - there you are I've said it now - DO YOU UNDERSTAND?? Won't reveal my sources so don't ask - but please feel free to dispute with FACTS. DJ to suggest the Russo's have had there money back is folly - on the contrary they are sticking their neck out and keeping this club from going in to administration. The club is haemorrhaging SUBSTANTIAL sums monthly, with future financial liabilities waiting around the corner created by the former incompetent regime. No.1 priority is championship survival and to build a viable and financially stable club going forward. If you want to 'support' the club then focus on getting getting behind Malky and the team - unless of course you are going to step forward, make a financial offer to buy and run the club and impart your vision for success? Thought not... straight red
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8:39pm Thu 27 Aug 09

Prof Plum says...

So relegation is acceptable in your blinkered, brainless perspective. What is your name, professor dumb?


Good one!
So relegation is acceptable in your blinkered, brainless perspective. What is your name, professor dumb? Good one! Prof Plum
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8:40pm Thu 27 Aug 09

grahamwfc says...

Come om Plum who are these quality lower Div centre backs we can buy
Put up or shut up
Come om Plum who are these quality lower Div centre backs we can buy Put up or shut up grahamwfc
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8:41pm Thu 27 Aug 09

peter10531089 says...

Bomber 18 - just cos Malky is now the manager and russo's now the chairman doesnt mean that the s##t left behind by Simpson no longer exists!!! Obama is now the president of the US but he still has to worrry about what the bakers did when George W was in power!!

Malky may have been the "cheap" option but believe it or not Watford has never had a good track record when it comes to taking the expensive option Moralee, Vialli, Ellington etc...
Bomber 18 - just cos Malky is now the manager and russo's now the chairman doesnt mean that the s##t left behind by Simpson no longer exists!!! Obama is now the president of the US but he still has to worrry about what the bakers did when George W was in power!! Malky may have been the "cheap" option but believe it or not Watford has never had a good track record when it comes to taking the expensive option Moralee, Vialli, Ellington etc... peter10531089
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8:41pm Thu 27 Aug 09

toothpick says...

A sad day indeed in my opinion Jobi as well as Tommy will be greatly missed at Watford. Good that we have turned down Mike Williamsons move to Portsmouth. I dont blame him for asking for transfer a chance to play in the Premier.Lets hope if his move dosnt happen despite a better offer he stays focused at Watford - I think he is the type that will. Malky will bring in replacements a winger and a striker you see.
A sad day indeed in my opinion Jobi as well as Tommy will be greatly missed at Watford. Good that we have turned down Mike Williamsons move to Portsmouth. I dont blame him for asking for transfer a chance to play in the Premier.Lets hope if his move dosnt happen despite a better offer he stays focused at Watford - I think he is the type that will. Malky will bring in replacements a winger and a striker you see. toothpick
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8:45pm Thu 27 Aug 09

Hexham Hornet says...

We MUST NOT let him go. He has hardly spent any time with us and must stay at least for the whole of this season, and who knows he may even stay and become a Premier League player with us - whereas Pompey could be a Championship team next season!!

Now two of our highest wage earners have gone do we really need to sell anybody else? OK a decent offer for Ellington might meet with the fans approval, but that's all. We need another striker, decent defender and somebody to cross the ball!! Not a lot to ask, is it?
We MUST NOT let him go. He has hardly spent any time with us and must stay at least for the whole of this season, and who knows he may even stay and become a Premier League player with us - whereas Pompey could be a Championship team next season!! Now two of our highest wage earners have gone do we really need to sell anybody else? OK a decent offer for Ellington might meet with the fans approval, but that's all. We need another striker, decent defender and somebody to cross the ball!! Not a lot to ask, is it? Hexham Hornet
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8:48pm Thu 27 Aug 09

bomber18 says...

4boys wrote:
Still at least the developers will make a packet out of the (eyesore) flats being built around the stadium.
I love the way our "stadium" is looking.Takes me back to my youth seeing the bombed out ruins in the East End.Nostalgia is up and running at Vicarage Road.
[quote][p][bold]4boys[/bold] wrote: Still at least the developers will make a packet out of the (eyesore) flats being built around the stadium.[/p][/quote]I love the way our "stadium" is looking.Takes me back to my youth seeing the bombed out ruins in the East End.Nostalgia is up and running at Vicarage Road. bomber18
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8:49pm Thu 27 Aug 09

Prof Plum says...

grahamwfc wrote:
Come om Plum who are these quality lower Div centre backs we can buy
Put up or shut up
No idea - but then I hadn't heard of Williamson before he arrived. My point is that there must be half a dozen semi-decent clod-hoppers who could do a job for us for a while currently playing in the lower leagues. I'm not expecting to unearth the new Beckenbaur - just a decent stopper capable of getting his head to a cross or putting the ball in to row Z when required to do so.
[quote][p][bold]grahamwfc[/bold] wrote: Come om Plum who are these quality lower Div centre backs we can buy Put up or shut up[/p][/quote]No idea - but then I hadn't heard of Williamson before he arrived. My point is that there must be half a dozen semi-decent clod-hoppers who could do a job for us for a while currently playing in the lower leagues. I'm not expecting to unearth the new Beckenbaur - just a decent stopper capable of getting his head to a cross or putting the ball in to row Z when required to do so. Prof Plum
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8:55pm Thu 27 Aug 09

Billie says...

Roger UK and DJ Watford. How many times do you need telling that the previous regime were bankrupting our club. They would have cashed in the ground too I reckon to perpetuate their own tenure. Take KA's £10m to avoid administartion article last year, add losses since, and the £12m odd you mention is accounted for...gone down the Ashton created black hole. You are witnessing the saving of our club...demolition before build. Yes it is alarming...but it is necessary. vOr knows this is true, but no doubt will spout about the great silver fox.
Roger UK and DJ Watford. How many times do you need telling that the previous regime were bankrupting our club. They would have cashed in the ground too I reckon to perpetuate their own tenure. Take KA's £10m to avoid administartion article last year, add losses since, and the £12m odd you mention is accounted for...gone down the Ashton created black hole. You are witnessing the saving of our club...demolition before build. Yes it is alarming...but it is necessary. vOr knows this is true, but no doubt will spout about the great silver fox. Billie
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8:58pm Thu 27 Aug 09

baldo says...

Can those that keep moaning about these sales and the threat of relegation P!@! off, we are selling these so you have a bloody team to watch you clowns,

If you dont agree with is sod off and watch Lu!t@n cos that is where WFC were heading under Simpson.

You should be thankful that GT and the Russo's want to protect the club and not kill it like the other tossers.

Now wake up you bunch of idiots or are you the ones that stand at the back of the Vic with your penny sweets and your £5 pocket money
Can those that keep moaning about these sales and the threat of relegation P!@! off, we are selling these so you have a bloody team to watch you clowns, If you dont agree with is sod off and watch Lu!t@n cos that is where WFC were heading under Simpson. You should be thankful that GT and the Russo's want to protect the club and not kill it like the other tossers. Now wake up you bunch of idiots or are you the ones that stand at the back of the Vic with your penny sweets and your £5 pocket money baldo
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9:00pm Thu 27 Aug 09

Only 2 Ross Jenkins says...

Rick Holden Forever wrote:
Prof Plum wrote: All of you wetting yourselves at the prospect of us flogging a couple of players are truly pathetic! With your half-baked and ill-informed conspiracy theories you make me vomit! Try and get it through your skulls, that this club needs to raise money fast to avoid going bust and then, going forward, to rebuild our disgrace of a stadium. If the only way to achieve those twin objectives is through player sales then so be it. A few seasons treading water in Division Two or kicking around in the lower leagues would be a price well worth paying for a financially stable, well run club and a stadium worthy of the name - instead of the low-grade s**t hole that Vicarage Road became on Simpson’s watch.
So relegation is acceptable in your blinkered, brainless perspective. What is your name, professor dumb? Its idiots like you who have allowed countless boards over the years to rape this club for all its worth and get away with it. I bet you've even got a poster of Petchey on your wall...oh i forgot, you weren't born then.
This is the problem with football in this day and age. Too much short term thinking. Relegation, if it should occur, would not be the end of the club. Going out of business on the other hand, would.
Therefore, to call Prof Plum an idiot, is in itself idiotic.
[quote][p][bold]Rick Holden Forever[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Prof Plum[/bold] wrote: All of you wetting yourselves at the prospect of us flogging a couple of players are truly pathetic! With your half-baked and ill-informed conspiracy theories you make me vomit! Try and get it through your skulls, that this club needs to raise money fast to avoid going bust and then, going forward, to rebuild our disgrace of a stadium. If the only way to achieve those twin objectives is through player sales then so be it. A few seasons treading water in Division Two or kicking around in the lower leagues would be a price well worth paying for a financially stable, well run club and a stadium worthy of the name - instead of the low-grade s**t hole that Vicarage Road became on Simpson’s watch. [/p][/quote]So relegation is acceptable in your blinkered, brainless perspective. What is your name, professor dumb? Its idiots like you who have allowed countless boards over the years to rape this club for all its worth and get away with it. I bet you've even got a poster of Petchey on your wall...oh i forgot, you weren't born then. [/p][/quote]This is the problem with football in this day and age. Too much short term thinking. Relegation, if it should occur, would not be the end of the club. Going out of business on the other hand, would. Therefore, to call Prof Plum an idiot, is in itself idiotic. Only 2 Ross Jenkins
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9:00pm Thu 27 Aug 09

BELGIAN HORNET says...

DEAR MR CHAIRMAN. I ASSUME YOU HAVE NOW BALANCED THE BOOKS. IF NOT TELL US ALL WHAT IS THE SHORTFALL. NO COMMENT FROM YOU LEAVES US WONDERING WHAT IS THE FINANCIAL STATE OF THE CLUB. Always told to use capital letters in an email was rude APOLOGIES BUT ANSWER THE QUESTION.
DEAR MR CHAIRMAN. I ASSUME YOU HAVE NOW BALANCED THE BOOKS. IF NOT TELL US ALL WHAT IS THE SHORTFALL. NO COMMENT FROM YOU LEAVES US WONDERING WHAT IS THE FINANCIAL STATE OF THE CLUB. Always told to use capital letters in an email was rude APOLOGIES BUT ANSWER THE QUESTION. BELGIAN HORNET
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9:02pm Thu 27 Aug 09

bomber18 says...

peter10531089 wrote:
I'm sorry but if you really think you can question GT's integrity then you are havin a laugh!! The club is only as high as it is due to the legacy that he and SEJ left us. They have never acted without honour and integrity towards the football club and its fans. You may be too young to remember the shrodells stand and the fourth division but I do. GT and SEJ deserve nothing but thanks and respect and you show them neither!
I wish I was young but i was at the Vic when the likes of Bobby Bell was Playing.I wasn't questioning GTs intetrity but I recall that twice he scarpered up the M6 to Aston villa so leaving his "beloved" Watford!!
[quote][p][bold]peter10531089[/bold] wrote: I'm sorry but if you really think you can question GT's integrity then you are havin a laugh!! The club is only as high as it is due to the legacy that he and SEJ left us. They have never acted without honour and integrity towards the football club and its fans. You may be too young to remember the shrodells stand and the fourth division but I do. GT and SEJ deserve nothing but thanks and respect and you show them neither![/p][/quote]I wish I was young but i was at the Vic when the likes of Bobby Bell was Playing.I wasn't questioning GTs intetrity but I recall that twice he scarpered up the M6 to Aston villa so leaving his "beloved" Watford!! bomber18
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9:05pm Thu 27 Aug 09

cliff46 says...

Fortunately this site has more sensible contributors than depressing idiots.
The moaners however would be happy to see the Russos spend money we don't have and would then start crying again once we find ourselves in administration. They really don't have a clue and wouldn't recognise a balance sheet if it fell on them.
Fortunately this site has more sensible contributors than depressing idiots. The moaners however would be happy to see the Russos spend money we don't have and would then start crying again once we find ourselves in administration. They really don't have a clue and wouldn't recognise a balance sheet if it fell on them. cliff46
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9:08pm Thu 27 Aug 09

enlightened one says...

Interesting times gents,interesting times.
At least at the end of all this we will still have a team to support.
I'd like to hear from JR what the true state of the clubs finances are, I'm sure it would go a long way toward getting all the moaners/conspiracy theorists back on board,coz one way or another the team need our support more than ever.
Interesting times gents,interesting times. At least at the end of all this we will still have a team to support. I'd like to hear from JR what the true state of the clubs finances are, I'm sure it would go a long way toward getting all the moaners/conspiracy theorists back on board,coz one way or another the team need our support more than ever. enlightened one
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9:14pm Thu 27 Aug 09

palmeris60 says...

At the start of the week once we knew TS was on his way i predicted that we would loose another player. I didn't think it would be quite so quick or that we might loose two in a day.
What we really need to know is 1:-Exactly what does the club owes to its creditors. A nice straight answer with no **** would be good.
2:- Where exactly is the money raised from transfers going too?Again a straight answer would be good.
3:- What are the Russo's putting into the club if anything?
Survival in the Championship must now be our only goal for the season.

I for one would not have renewed my season tickets had i known that the board were about to sell off our only quality players.

I'm sure many people will say the club is only doing what it has to do to survive but i wouldn't go along with that.

Something feels very wrong! Alan South Ruislip
At the start of the week once we knew TS was on his way i predicted that we would loose another player. I didn't think it would be quite so quick or that we might loose two in a day. What we really need to know is 1:-Exactly what does the club owes to its creditors. A nice straight answer with no **** would be good. 2:- Where exactly is the money raised from transfers going too?Again a straight answer would be good. 3:- What are the Russo's putting into the club if anything? Survival in the Championship must now be our only goal for the season. I for one would not have renewed my season tickets had i known that the board were about to sell off our only quality players. I'm sure many people will say the club is only doing what it has to do to survive but i wouldn't go along with that. Something feels very wrong! Alan South Ruislip palmeris60
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9:15pm Thu 27 Aug 09

BigDawg says...

I sometimes wonder if I should laugh or cry when I read the comments on here.
The facts as they stand so far this season:
1- We got £2,000,000 for a 29 year old player with less than 12 months left on a hefty contract. As good as he is - Tommy was never going to stay and snubbed R*ading. Result.
2- We finally got shot of McAnuff (and his wages)- for a decent fee.
3- MW obviously wants to leave too and assuming we got him for £250,000, selling him for £2,500,000 (and it will end up as a much higher fee) still represents a phenomenal profit in 8 months
4-We all seem to be getting overly upset about losing the nucleus of a squad that was average at best last season. Let Malky build his own team - player sales is the only way to let him do that.
Finally - the stuff on here about the Russo's being money grabbers is priceless! If they were after a profit - why the **** did they pick Watford to invest in? When they stumped up the hundreds of thousands to keep us afloat - they knew that we were in trouble. Before anyone else posts about them being in it for the money, see if you can find at least 3 football chairmen who have walked away from their time at a football club with a profit. I'll even give you Ken Bates as your starter. Keep in mind as well that Chelsea fans are moaning about the lack of squad investment right now - and they have a billionaire in charge! Money does not automatically equal success my friends!
I sometimes wonder if I should laugh or cry when I read the comments on here. The facts as they stand so far this season: 1- We got £2,000,000 for a 29 year old player with less than 12 months left on a hefty contract. As good as he is - Tommy was never going to stay and snubbed R*ading. Result. 2- We finally got shot of McAnuff (and his wages)- for a decent fee. 3- MW obviously wants to leave too and assuming we got him for £250,000, selling him for £2,500,000 (and it will end up as a much higher fee) still represents a phenomenal profit in 8 months 4-We all seem to be getting overly upset about losing the nucleus of a squad that was average at best last season. Let Malky build his own team - player sales is the only way to let him do that. Finally - the stuff on here about the Russo's being money grabbers is priceless! If they were after a profit - why the **** did they pick Watford to invest in? When they stumped up the hundreds of thousands to keep us afloat - they knew that we were in trouble. Before anyone else posts about them being in it for the money, see if you can find at least 3 football chairmen who have walked away from their time at a football club with a profit. I'll even give you Ken Bates as your starter. Keep in mind as well that Chelsea fans are moaning about the lack of squad investment right now - and they have a billionaire in charge! Money does not automatically equal success my friends! BigDawg
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9:27pm Thu 27 Aug 09

palmeris60 says...

It seems to me that some of our supporters are happy just to except anything and everything.
If your wife ran off with the milkman would you just put a polite note out asking for her return. I reckon some of our supporters would.
Show some passion. If we sell the nucleus of a team that struggled last season we're bound to go down this.We've now lost Priskin,Smith,McAnuf
f,Williamson might go and if you were Jay would you stay? I'm not happy and i'd like some answers. Straight answers
It seems to me that some of our supporters are happy just to except anything and everything. If your wife ran off with the milkman would you just put a polite note out asking for her return. I reckon some of our supporters would. Show some passion. If we sell the nucleus of a team that struggled last season we're bound to go down this.We've now lost Priskin,Smith,McAnuf f,Williamson might go and if you were Jay would you stay? I'm not happy and i'd like some answers. Straight answers palmeris60
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9:27pm Thu 27 Aug 09

martin62 says...

enlightened one wrote:
Interesting times gents,interesting times.
At least at the end of all this we will still have a team to support.
I'd like to hear from JR what the true state of the clubs finances are, I'm sure it would go a long way toward getting all the moaners/conspiracy theorists back on board,coz one way or another the team need our support more than ever.
Absolutely spot-on.

We need a serious financial statement from the club soon.


Or have they something to hide????
[quote][p][bold]enlightened one[/bold] wrote: Interesting times gents,interesting times. At least at the end of all this we will still have a team to support. I'd like to hear from JR what the true state of the clubs finances are, I'm sure it would go a long way toward getting all the moaners/conspiracy theorists back on board,coz one way or another the team need our support more than ever.[/p][/quote]Absolutely spot-on. We need a serious financial statement from the club soon. Or have they something to hide???? martin62
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9:30pm Thu 27 Aug 09

peter10531089 says...

bomber18 wrote:
peter10531089 wrote: I'm sorry but if you really think you can question GT's integrity then you are havin a laugh!! The club is only as high as it is due to the legacy that he and SEJ left us. They have never acted without honour and integrity towards the football club and its fans. You may be too young to remember the shrodells stand and the fourth division but I do. GT and SEJ deserve nothing but thanks and respect and you show them neither!
I wish I was young but i was at the Vic when the likes of Bobby Bell was Playing.I wasn't questioning GTs intetrity but I recall that twice he scarpered up the M6 to Aston villa so leaving his "beloved" Watford!!
you asked if GT was on the board simply to collect his sheckles! That I would say was questioning his integrity.

I cant believe you hold a grudge from Taylor leaving the first time and the second time he had retired. Both times he left a financially sound club that was spurned by his successors by trying to spend big - we are not a big club if you remember Bobby Bell then you will know the club that Taylor joined in the 70s and the one he left in the 80's - the man is owed a debt by the club and the town.
[quote][p][bold]bomber18[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peter10531089[/bold] wrote: I'm sorry but if you really think you can question GT's integrity then you are havin a laugh!! The club is only as high as it is due to the legacy that he and SEJ left us. They have never acted without honour and integrity towards the football club and its fans. You may be too young to remember the shrodells stand and the fourth division but I do. GT and SEJ deserve nothing but thanks and respect and you show them neither![/p][/quote]I wish I was young but i was at the Vic when the likes of Bobby Bell was Playing.I wasn't questioning GTs intetrity but I recall that twice he scarpered up the M6 to Aston villa so leaving his "beloved" Watford!![/p][/quote]you asked if GT was on the board simply to collect his sheckles! That I would say was questioning his integrity. I cant believe you hold a grudge from Taylor leaving the first time and the second time he had retired. Both times he left a financially sound club that was spurned by his successors by trying to spend big - we are not a big club if you remember Bobby Bell then you will know the club that Taylor joined in the 70s and the one he left in the 80's - the man is owed a debt by the club and the town. peter10531089
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9:34pm Thu 27 Aug 09

Sy says...

I have nothing in particular to add to the hugely circular debates that are ongoing (once again, let's see where we are come midnight on Tuesday and then we can judge).

I just wanted to post the hundredth item on this thread.
I have nothing in particular to add to the hugely circular debates that are ongoing (once again, let's see where we are come midnight on Tuesday and then we can judge). I just wanted to post the hundredth item on this thread. Sy
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9:39pm Thu 27 Aug 09

watford fan says...

djwatford wrote:
It's amazing that fans are willingly accepting this mass sell off. The Russos have saved us from nothing.All they have done is ensure we have zero decent players left at the club and can look forward to certain relegation. I don't blame Rodgers for leaving our sinking ship. How can anyone hail the Russos as saviours?They are getting all their money back now and have left us with virtually nothing.How can anyone willingly accept this? I'm sure Jimmy will come out with another puff piece to appease the fans but it'll be the usual rubbish. How could administration be worse than this? We bought Season Tickets expecting a decent,competitive season.Instead they sell the manager and all the decent players and replace them with the cheapest replacements possible. Surely it is our job as supporters to rally against such incompetence by yet another board. Some on here want you to accept whatever the Russos do as being best for the club.I hope they manage to remove their blinkers soon.
How could administration be worse you ask?! The decent players that we hadn't of sold would then be sold by the administrator for a fraction of the price we have received and the transfer embargo placed on the club by the FA would prevent us from getting replacements in! As you're an idiot i'll explain - a finance person comes in called an "administrator" has no interest in the club but only in paying the creditors enough that they don't then apply for a winding up order which sees the club close for good - as in forever! Plus the points deduction, plus if the club did close for good we can start again in Cassiobury park so League 1 looks good in comparison! Remember what happened to Gretna? Scottish Premier League and now playing park football.
[quote][p][bold]djwatford[/bold] wrote: It's amazing that fans are willingly accepting this mass sell off. The Russos have saved us from nothing.All they have done is ensure we have zero decent players left at the club and can look forward to certain relegation. I don't blame Rodgers for leaving our sinking ship. How can anyone hail the Russos as saviours?They are getting all their money back now and have left us with virtually nothing.How can anyone willingly accept this? I'm sure Jimmy will come out with another puff piece to appease the fans but it'll be the usual rubbish. How could administration be worse than this? We bought Season Tickets expecting a decent,competitive season.Instead they sell the manager and all the decent players and replace them with the cheapest replacements possible. Surely it is our job as supporters to rally against such incompetence by yet another board. Some on here want you to accept whatever the Russos do as being best for the club.I hope they manage to remove their blinkers soon. [/p][/quote]How could administration be worse you ask?! The decent players that we hadn't of sold would then be sold by the administrator for a fraction of the price we have received and the transfer embargo placed on the club by the FA would prevent us from getting replacements in! As you're an idiot i'll explain - a finance person comes in called an "administrator" has no interest in the club but only in paying the creditors enough that they don't then apply for a winding up order which sees the club close for good - as in forever! Plus the points deduction, plus if the club did close for good we can start again in Cassiobury park so League 1 looks good in comparison! Remember what happened to Gretna? Scottish Premier League and now playing park football. watford fan
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9:40pm Thu 27 Aug 09

peter10531089 says...

palmeris60 wrote:
It seems to me that some of our supporters are happy just to except anything and everything. If your wife ran off with the milkman would you just put a polite note out asking for her return. I reckon some of our supporters would. Show some passion. If we sell the nucleus of a team that struggled last season we're bound to go down this.We've now lost Priskin,Smith,McAnuf f,Williamson might go and if you were Jay would you stay? I'm not happy and i'd like some answers. Straight answers
I remeber relegation on a few occasions. As I remember the sky did not fall and the world did not end. We are in the middle of an unprecedented economic down turn with less money coming in through sponsorship, turnstiles etc... The current board have inherited the current position and are trying to do everything that they can do to address it.

But lets have a look at this the club have refused the bid and the player ,not the club has put in transfer request. What else did you want the club to do?

Now I think Williamson will go and the club will likely get a good deal for him the question is can Malky and Stephenson attract the next wave of talent to the club.
[quote][p][bold]palmeris60[/bold] wrote: It seems to me that some of our supporters are happy just to except anything and everything. If your wife ran off with the milkman would you just put a polite note out asking for her return. I reckon some of our supporters would. Show some passion. If we sell the nucleus of a team that struggled last season we're bound to go down this.We've now lost Priskin,Smith,McAnuf f,Williamson might go and if you were Jay would you stay? I'm not happy and i'd like some answers. Straight answers[/p][/quote]I remeber relegation on a few occasions. As I remember the sky did not fall and the world did not end. We are in the middle of an unprecedented economic down turn with less money coming in through sponsorship, turnstiles etc... The current board have inherited the current position and are trying to do everything that they can do to address it. But lets have a look at this the club have refused the bid and the player ,not the club has put in transfer request. What else did you want the club to do? Now I think Williamson will go and the club will likely get a good deal for him the question is can Malky and Stephenson attract the next wave of talent to the club. peter10531089
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9:46pm Thu 27 Aug 09

derry pigweed says...

Dr.Oftaw wrote:
Magician wrote: Any care to have a guess at Saturdays starting line-up:
at this rate it the starting line up could well be; rogeruk hornet cornet bizlink chris the vic smeg heimishe hornet rick holden garston tony enlightened one hexham hornet only 2 ross jenkins and i`ll do the oranges!
Don't forget me I still drive a porsche , have a buffon hairstyle and have the best name ever in goalkeeping history....!
[quote][p][bold]Dr.Oftaw[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Magician[/bold] wrote: Any care to have a guess at Saturdays starting line-up:[/p][/quote]at this rate it the starting line up could well be; rogeruk hornet cornet bizlink chris the vic smeg heimishe hornet rick holden garston tony enlightened one hexham hornet only 2 ross jenkins and i`ll do the oranges![/p][/quote]Don't forget me I still drive a porsche , have a buffon hairstyle and have the best name ever in goalkeeping history....! derry pigweed
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9:56pm Thu 27 Aug 09

palmeris60 says...

peter10531089 wrote:
palmeris60 wrote: It seems to me that some of our supporters are happy just to except anything and everything. If your wife ran off with the milkman would you just put a polite note out asking for her return. I reckon some of our supporters would. Show some passion. If we sell the nucleus of a team that struggled last season we're bound to go down this.We've now lost Priskin,Smith,McAnuf f,Williamson might go and if you were Jay would you stay? I'm not happy and i'd like some answers. Straight answers
I remeber relegation on a few occasions. As I remember the sky did not fall and the world did not end. We are in the middle of an unprecedented economic down turn with less money coming in through sponsorship, turnstiles etc... The current board have inherited the current position and are trying to do everything that they can do to address it. But lets have a look at this the club have refused the bid and the player ,not the club has put in transfer request. What else did you want the club to do? Now I think Williamson will go and the club will likely get a good deal for him the question is can Malky and Stephenson attract the next wave of talent to the club.
I would have liked the club to have said no to all of the moves. Selling at the start of the season is far more damaging than selling at the end. I'm sure relegation will cost us more than what hanging on to these players would have done.So what if they could have moved on without Watford getting a fee!
[quote][p][bold]peter10531089[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]palmeris60[/bold] wrote: It seems to me that some of our supporters are happy just to except anything and everything. If your wife ran off with the milkman would you just put a polite note out asking for her return. I reckon some of our supporters would. Show some passion. If we sell the nucleus of a team that struggled last season we're bound to go down this.We've now lost Priskin,Smith,McAnuf f,Williamson might go and if you were Jay would you stay? I'm not happy and i'd like some answers. Straight answers[/p][/quote]I remeber relegation on a few occasions. As I remember the sky did not fall and the world did not end. We are in the middle of an unprecedented economic down turn with less money coming in through sponsorship, turnstiles etc... The current board have inherited the current position and are trying to do everything that they can do to address it. But lets have a look at this the club have refused the bid and the player ,not the club has put in transfer request. What else did you want the club to do? Now I think Williamson will go and the club will likely get a good deal for him the question is can Malky and Stephenson attract the next wave of talent to the club.[/p][/quote]I would have liked the club to have said no to all of the moves. Selling at the start of the season is far more damaging than selling at the end. I'm sure relegation will cost us more than what hanging on to these players would have done.So what if they could have moved on without Watford getting a fee! palmeris60
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9:56pm Thu 27 Aug 09

Holly68 says...

I cannott believe the naivety of some posters or the negativity ...

The club had an £8M black hole left by the previous regime, plus was losing money, week over week ....

The Russo's have invested and lent (both) their own personal cash and there business cash, without that we would be IN ADMINISTRATION and minus 10 points. We have sailed close to the wind ........

The Board (inc GT) have set a 3 year business plan to have us trading on an even keel (money in equals money out), in order to achieve that plan they have set a wage cap at £5K per week, whilst this is painful it is the only way to keep Watford ALIVE !!! (we attract 10K to 14K fans, couldnt even sell out in the Prem, so we must get realistic)

Priskin wanted to leave, he refused a new £5K a week contract, only had a year left, he got double that at Ipswich.

Smith was on £12K per week, was worth it but with one year left he would not of accepted reduction to £5K, so had to be sold for maximum price. £2M (inc add on) is a good fee, plus he has got himself a £20K a week 4 year deal ...

Macnuff was next highest paid £10K a week, firstly was he worth that much, plus Reading have offered him £13K a week

Mike Williamson is on about £4K a week, so even if we offer him a new deal, how can we compete with Pompeys potential of £15K - £20K a week, so he has sniffed the life changing pound notes, put yourself in his shoes, wouldnt you want that ?? It is not personal against the club, he wants the dosh, ultimately most footballers are driven by the cash, he could break his leg next week and be worth jack all ...... Yes he will probably leave, the Russo's have to get the best fee, I hear £3M is what they value MW at ....

All this money helps fill the black hole, keeps us from admininstration, reduces the wages and accelerates the 3 year plan into maybe an 18 month/2 year plan when we are able to move forwards again ... !!!

The Russo's paid Man U the loan fee for Tom Cleverlay out there own pockets as we didnt have any cash ..

this season is going to be a challenge, the club need our support more than ever, players come and go, we the fans remain, therefore we have the biggest role to play to make sure our great club gets ALL OUR SUPPORT to gain every priceless point :-)

I am also hearing there may be a couple more young gems on the way from Man U
I cannott believe the naivety of some posters or the negativity ... The club had an £8M black hole left by the previous regime, plus was losing money, week over week .... The Russo's have invested and lent (both) their own personal cash and there business cash, without that we would be IN ADMINISTRATION and minus 10 points. We have sailed close to the wind ........ The Board (inc GT) have set a 3 year business plan to have us trading on an even keel (money in equals money out), in order to achieve that plan they have set a wage cap at £5K per week, whilst this is painful it is the only way to keep Watford ALIVE !!! (we attract 10K to 14K fans, couldnt even sell out in the Prem, so we must get realistic) Priskin wanted to leave, he refused a new £5K a week contract, only had a year left, he got double that at Ipswich. Smith was on £12K per week, was worth it but with one year left he would not of accepted reduction to £5K, so had to be sold for maximum price. £2M (inc add on) is a good fee, plus he has got himself a £20K a week 4 year deal ... Macnuff was next highest paid £10K a week, firstly was he worth that much, plus Reading have offered him £13K a week Mike Williamson is on about £4K a week, so even if we offer him a new deal, how can we compete with Pompeys potential of £15K - £20K a week, so he has sniffed the life changing pound notes, put yourself in his shoes, wouldnt you want that ?? It is not personal against the club, he wants the dosh, ultimately most footballers are driven by the cash, he could break his leg next week and be worth jack all ...... Yes he will probably leave, the Russo's have to get the best fee, I hear £3M is what they value MW at .... All this money helps fill the black hole, keeps us from admininstration, reduces the wages and accelerates the 3 year plan into maybe an 18 month/2 year plan when we are able to move forwards again ... !!! The Russo's paid Man U the loan fee for Tom Cleverlay out there own pockets as we didnt have any cash .. this season is going to be a challenge, the club need our support more than ever, players come and go, we the fans remain, therefore we have the biggest role to play to make sure our great club gets ALL OUR SUPPORT to gain every priceless point :-) I am also hearing there may be a couple more young gems on the way from Man U Holly68
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10:02pm Thu 27 Aug 09

peter10531089 says...

Palmeris60 I can do no better than refer you to Holly68s thread above - in my eyes this puts my feelings over precisely

I know we're not hapy with it but unless someone has a russian oligarch or a spare sheikh then we are stuck with it - but I believe the club (ie the board and the russos) is being prudent
Palmeris60 I can do no better than refer you to Holly68s thread above - in my eyes this puts my feelings over precisely I know we're not hapy with it but unless someone has a russian oligarch or a spare sheikh then we are stuck with it - but I believe the club (ie the board and the russos) is being prudent peter10531089
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10:10pm Thu 27 Aug 09

36kings says...

Players in turmoil, they actually do not know who is going to turn up at training. This transfer request is dodgy and I believe JJOT is now just training with Watford, possibly not the only one! Regardless of finances and players commitment something is not quite right. So to all the fans who keep saying we have to sell and cut back on wages congratulations you may well be correct. And to all the fans who obviously despise the lads in the rookery back row you may well get your wish of them keeping quite. No doubt a statement could be in the pipeline to yet again appease the idiots, wums, thick idiots and generally unwashed lepers who actually dare question the boards intent and the direction in which the club is going. Because if the players do not know how all the majority of you posters do is beyond me.
Players in turmoil, they actually do not know who is going to turn up at training. This transfer request is dodgy and I believe JJOT is now just training with Watford, possibly not the only one! Regardless of finances and players commitment something is not quite right. So to all the fans who keep saying we have to sell and cut back on wages congratulations you may well be correct. And to all the fans who obviously despise the lads in the rookery back row you may well get your wish of them keeping quite. No doubt a statement could be in the pipeline to yet again appease the idiots, wums, thick idiots and generally unwashed lepers who actually dare question the boards intent and the direction in which the club is going. Because if the players do not know how all the majority of you posters do is beyond me. 36kings
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10:11pm Thu 27 Aug 09

Heimishe_Hornet says...

Well done to the well informed Holly 68 for spreading a few facts.

As to Dr Of.taw sticking me in midfield, if rapier-like ability to turn a phrase at amy time of the morning or night is called for, I will step up to the plate....but a host of keen youngsters in the reserves or academy will probably peform better on the field.

Look at the boards of other clubs, notably all those beneath us in the Championship table - massive dissatisfaction.

Swansea - half their team injured, the other half suspended.

COYH for Saturday!!!
Well done to the well informed Holly 68 for spreading a few facts. As to Dr Of.taw sticking me in midfield, if rapier-like ability to turn a phrase at amy time of the morning or night is called for, I will step up to the plate....but a host of keen youngsters in the reserves or academy will probably peform better on the field. Look at the boards of other clubs, notably all those beneath us in the Championship table - massive dissatisfaction. Swansea - half their team injured, the other half suspended. COYH for Saturday!!! Heimishe_Hornet
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10:15pm Thu 27 Aug 09

Holly68 says...

JJOT has broken club discipline, thats why he has not featured. He is only young so hopefully will learn from this
JJOT has broken club discipline, thats why he has not featured. He is only young so hopefully will learn from this Holly68
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10:23pm Thu 27 Aug 09

martin62 says...

An interesting post by Holly68...one of the best tonight, bringing a sense of reallity to it all.

If, as stated the trading defecit of this financial year is indeed a potential loss of £8M then the Russo's have got an unenviable job in trying to save OUR club. If Williamson was to go this weekend for a fee of around £2.5-£3M (Wycombe get 25% sell on) then our transfer income plus wages savings would be about £8.5M so far this summer (inc Judas comp). Expenditure so far in transfer fees and new player wages ammount to probably around £1M so the Russo's are getting close to achieving stability. I am sure they would love to offload a couple more high earners like Ellington or Sadler on a free just to get them off this crazy payroll. From a business perspective i do find one thing strange - Q- Why is Lord Ashcroft not interested in protecting his investment? I am not expecting him to be a sugar daddy, he is obviously no fool and a shrewd businessman but he has the cash to aid the club bearing in mind if we went into Admin he would lose all his shares/money.
An interesting post by Holly68...one of the best tonight, bringing a sense of reallity to it all. If, as stated the trading defecit of this financial year is indeed a potential loss of £8M then the Russo's have got an unenviable job in trying to save OUR club. If Williamson was to go this weekend for a fee of around £2.5-£3M (Wycombe get 25% sell on) then our transfer income plus wages savings would be about £8.5M so far this summer (inc Judas comp). Expenditure so far in transfer fees and new player wages ammount to probably around £1M so the Russo's are getting close to achieving stability. I am sure they would love to offload a couple more high earners like Ellington or Sadler on a free just to get them off this crazy payroll. From a business perspective i do find one thing strange - Q- Why is Lord Ashcroft not interested in protecting his investment? I am not expecting him to be a sugar daddy, he is obviously no fool and a shrewd businessman but he has the cash to aid the club bearing in mind if we went into Admin he would lose all his shares/money. martin62
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10:26pm Thu 27 Aug 09

djwatford says...

I no longer find it amazing that peeps on here are supporting the Russos and their current policy.
The job of a football chairman(particularl
y at our club) is to invest money in the club and hope not to lose too much in the process.If they don't have enough money then get out or obtain investment.
At NO point did they say we were in a terrible situation where any decent player would be sold and not replaced.
They told us there would be a new open and honest communication between the board and its ST holders/fans.Unfortu
nately they haven't lived up to this.
If they had told us what the actual situation was and that we should expect a massive fire sale with little or no funds provided to a new,inexperienced manager then we'd have little cause to complain now.
They can tell us they made every effort to retain the services of all the players that left(or at least the ones in the final year of their contract)but that would be a lie.No player worth 500k-2+M would accept a new contract on substantially reduced terms.They are insulting our intelligence to expect us to believe they did everything to keep any of the players or the previous manager.
Perhaps the Russos should provide us with all the details behind their investment so there can be no confusion as to what they are/have put into our club.They should do this because it now looks like they are selling off all the assets without giving us any hope for this,or any,season.
We've disagreed with previous regimes but managed to get new stands(Petchey)or some success on the pitch(Simpson.)With the Russos we're just going to experience humiliation on and off the pitch.
If things are as bad as it appears and we are to get relegated then let's not waste money developing other teams youngsters.I'd rather see our junior/reserve team players given a chance.The future of our club is more important than seeing a youngster from some massive plc for a few months.
I'm willing to accept serious cutbacks but the club has to be completely open and honest with us.

I no longer find it amazing that peeps on here are supporting the Russos and their current policy. The job of a football chairman(particularl y at our club) is to invest money in the club and hope not to lose too much in the process.If they don't have enough money then get out or obtain investment. At NO point did they say we were in a terrible situation where any decent player would be sold and not replaced. They told us there would be a new open and honest communication between the board and its ST holders/fans.Unfortu nately they haven't lived up to this. If they had told us what the actual situation was and that we should expect a massive fire sale with little or no funds provided to a new,inexperienced manager then we'd have little cause to complain now. They can tell us they made every effort to retain the services of all the players that left(or at least the ones in the final year of their contract)but that would be a lie.No player worth 500k-2+M would accept a new contract on substantially reduced terms.They are insulting our intelligence to expect us to believe they did everything to keep any of the players or the previous manager. Perhaps the Russos should provide us with all the details behind their investment so there can be no confusion as to what they are/have put into our club.They should do this because it now looks like they are selling off all the assets without giving us any hope for this,or any,season. We've disagreed with previous regimes but managed to get new stands(Petchey)or some success on the pitch(Simpson.)With the Russos we're just going to experience humiliation on and off the pitch. If things are as bad as it appears and we are to get relegated then let's not waste money developing other teams youngsters.I'd rather see our junior/reserve team players given a chance.The future of our club is more important than seeing a youngster from some massive plc for a few months. I'm willing to accept serious cutbacks but the club has to be completely open and honest with us. djwatford
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10:27pm Thu 27 Aug 09

toothpick says...

Think on This with Tommy Smith Priskin and Jamie and Rasiak we were able to just survive last season what of this season ? Dont look good do it ?
Think on This with Tommy Smith Priskin and Jamie and Rasiak we were able to just survive last season what of this season ? Dont look good do it ? toothpick
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10:28pm Thu 27 Aug 09

There was only one Scully says...

Its like watching Fools n Horses wiv whats going on wiv our club. Del boy Jimi buying potential goods on the cheap and then selling them on 4 what they can get, down pompey market! Poor old MM has become his Rodney having to put and shut up while it all dissapears before his had the chance to make us profitable on the pitch.
Why should we believe that the Russos are doing the right thing!
It looks to me like the same camel coat but worn to disguise their real objectives and that is to get their money back before they reinvest and thats a big if!
So, lets flog the family jewels, struggle and then blame it on the old regime. Easy!
Whose the plonkers?
Its like watching Fools n Horses wiv whats going on wiv our club. Del boy Jimi buying potential goods on the cheap and then selling them on 4 what they can get, down pompey market! Poor old MM has become his Rodney having to put and shut up while it all dissapears before his had the chance to make us profitable on the pitch. Why should we believe that the Russos are doing the right thing! It looks to me like the same camel coat but worn to disguise their real objectives and that is to get their money back before they reinvest and thats a big if! So, lets flog the family jewels, struggle and then blame it on the old regime. Easy! Whose the plonkers? There was only one Scully
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10:38pm Thu 27 Aug 09

36kings says...

Holly68,
I hope you are correct and JJOT is just being reprimanded.
You sound like your in the know and I therefore take it that not being played rather makes it a serious breach of club discipline.
No truth in the MM strained relationship then and just training with the ever changing squad.
I therefore hope he learns and I see him in a WFC shirt again.
No undisclosed fee or tribunal around the corner so I apologise for being misinformed.
Holly68, I hope you are correct and JJOT is just being reprimanded. You sound like your in the know and I therefore take it that not being played rather makes it a serious breach of club discipline. No truth in the MM strained relationship then and just training with the ever changing squad. I therefore hope he learns and I see him in a WFC shirt again. No undisclosed fee or tribunal around the corner so I apologise for being misinformed. 36kings
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10:45pm Thu 27 Aug 09

bomber18 says...

martin62 wrote:
An interesting post by Holly68...one of the best tonight, bringing a sense of reallity to it all. If, as stated the trading defecit of this financial year is indeed a potential loss of £8M then the Russo's have got an unenviable job in trying to save OUR club. If Williamson was to go this weekend for a fee of around £2.5-£3M (Wycombe get 25% sell on) then our transfer income plus wages savings would be about £8.5M so far this summer (inc Judas comp). Expenditure so far in transfer fees and new player wages ammount to probably around £1M so the Russo's are getting close to achieving stability. I am sure they would love to offload a couple more high earners like Ellington or Sadler on a free just to get them off this crazy payroll. From a business perspective i do find one thing strange - Q- Why is Lord Ashcroft not interested in protecting his investment? I am not expecting him to be a sugar daddy, he is obviously no fool and a shrewd businessman but he has the cash to aid the club bearing in mind if we went into Admin he would lose all his shares/money.
Would Ashcroft lose all of his money? I think not because under the guidance of the much vilified Simpsom Watford own the freehold of Vicarage Road and how much would would it be worth for developement?
[quote][p][bold]martin62[/bold] wrote: An interesting post by Holly68...one of the best tonight, bringing a sense of reallity to it all. If, as stated the trading defecit of this financial year is indeed a potential loss of £8M then the Russo's have got an unenviable job in trying to save OUR club. If Williamson was to go this weekend for a fee of around £2.5-£3M (Wycombe get 25% sell on) then our transfer income plus wages savings would be about £8.5M so far this summer (inc Judas comp). Expenditure so far in transfer fees and new player wages ammount to probably around £1M so the Russo's are getting close to achieving stability. I am sure they would love to offload a couple more high earners like Ellington or Sadler on a free just to get them off this crazy payroll. From a business perspective i do find one thing strange - Q- Why is Lord Ashcroft not interested in protecting his investment? I am not expecting him to be a sugar daddy, he is obviously no fool and a shrewd businessman but he has the cash to aid the club bearing in mind if we went into Admin he would lose all his shares/money. [/p][/quote]Would Ashcroft lose all of his money? I think not because under the guidance of the much vilified Simpsom Watford own the freehold of Vicarage Road and how much would would it be worth for developement? bomber18
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10:48pm Thu 27 Aug 09

Holly68 says...

Chill out .... see my long post above...

Tommy will be hard to replace yes, but 6 months ago we didnt even have M Williamson (we still conceded goals when he was playing), Mcanuff and Priskin were hit and miss. They could all break there leg next week and be worthless ...

There may be more bids for others, footballers will go for the cash (as would most people).

We need to offload Sadler and Ellington, but no one wants them, I believe the club may offer them on loan and have to cover 50% of the wages for any takers !!

I expect Charlton to come in for Hoskins £500K, (currently on £7K per week) and someone might take a gamble on JDM £400K (similar money) ....

Chill out .... see my long post above... Tommy will be hard to replace yes, but 6 months ago we didnt even have M Williamson (we still conceded goals when he was playing), Mcanuff and Priskin were hit and miss. They could all break there leg next week and be worthless ... There may be more bids for others, footballers will go for the cash (as would most people). We need to offload Sadler and Ellington, but no one wants them, I believe the club may offer them on loan and have to cover 50% of the wages for any takers !! I expect Charlton to come in for Hoskins £500K, (currently on £7K per week) and someone might take a gamble on JDM £400K (similar money) .... Holly68
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10:50pm Thu 27 Aug 09

36kings says...

Holly68,
Sorry forgot to ask would you happen to know at what time the request was made. And if you do was it verbal or written. You see I just cant get my head around the timing. i.e training ground- portsmouth interest- transfer request?
Holly68, Sorry forgot to ask would you happen to know at what time the request was made. And if you do was it verbal or written. You see I just cant get my head around the timing. i.e training ground- portsmouth interest- transfer request? 36kings
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10:51pm Thu 27 Aug 09

martin62 says...

You could well be right "Bomber 18" - I just can't work out why Ashcroft came on board, something just does not sit right . He is worth an estimated £1Billion ( Although i appreciate it is probably tied into property etc) but shows no interest in the club or football in general. Why did he invest in the first place?. its bugging me - can you tell????
You could well be right "Bomber 18" - I just can't work out why Ashcroft came on board, something just does not sit right . He is worth an estimated £1Billion ( Although i appreciate it is probably tied into property etc) but shows no interest in the club or football in general. Why did he invest in the first place?. its bugging me - can you tell???? martin62
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10:53pm Thu 27 Aug 09

CG Horns says...

Can you remember when the the story was put out that WFC were near administration and WFC put the legal bods out to stop the story going any further - looks like it was all true to me
Can you remember when the the story was put out that WFC were near administration and WFC put the legal bods out to stop the story going any further - looks like it was all true to me CG Horns
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10:54pm Thu 27 Aug 09

jasonwatford says...

Will you all SHUT UP !!!!!!

Lets see what happens Saturday...ok
Will you all SHUT UP !!!!!! Lets see what happens Saturday...ok jasonwatford
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10:59pm Thu 27 Aug 09

martin62 says...

jasonwatford wrote:
Will you all SHUT UP !!!!!!

Lets see what happens Saturday...ok
And sit down!!!!
[quote][p][bold]jasonwatford[/bold] wrote: Will you all SHUT UP !!!!!! Lets see what happens Saturday...ok[/p][/quote]And sit down!!!! martin62
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11:01pm Thu 27 Aug 09

Holly68 says...

I dont know the timing, but I would guess that MW's agent has been getting excited over his potential 'cut', and has been aware that MW has been watched all season by Pompey, Newcastle etc, so picture the scenario that MW is 'tipped' off by his agent that activity might be happening, comes off the training ground, text message from agent stating £2M bid, possible wages of £15K per week .... how long would it then take for MW to find paper and pen and knock on Malky's door before they all leave the training ground (or agent faxes it in) .... Its the agents that stir this all up, remember they only make money when there is transfers.

AS per lescott situation, get rid and get rid as soon as price is right asap or effects team spirit. MW will now have to look everyone else in the eye at training tomorrow .... I suggest keep him till after the weekend, get a few other clubs bidding, £3M - £4M for a player signed for £150K 6 months ago, amazing deal
I dont know the timing, but I would guess that MW's agent has been getting excited over his potential 'cut', and has been aware that MW has been watched all season by Pompey, Newcastle etc, so picture the scenario that MW is 'tipped' off by his agent that activity might be happening, comes off the training ground, text message from agent stating £2M bid, possible wages of £15K per week .... how long would it then take for MW to find paper and pen and knock on Malky's door before they all leave the training ground (or agent faxes it in) .... Its the agents that stir this all up, remember they only make money when there is transfers. AS per lescott situation, get rid and get rid as soon as price is right asap or effects team spirit. MW will now have to look everyone else in the eye at training tomorrow .... I suggest keep him till after the weekend, get a few other clubs bidding, £3M - £4M for a player signed for £150K 6 months ago, amazing deal Holly68
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11:02pm Thu 27 Aug 09

steve sherwood (No1) says...

OK lets be sensible here..
you earn a good wage of £3500 a week plus bonuses, a car and a house. You are young and ambitious..
You are hunt hunted by a bigger firm and offered £17,500 a week, 2 cars and a bigger house and you tell them you are not interested? Of course he's going to be interested!
We need to wake up and realise what we are all about.. If he goes then we are NOT doomed like the majority think- be positive. Who the hell heard of him this time last year? We will find someone else and re-create the cycle if he goes. If he doesn't decide to go now it will only be a temporary measure. The cream always rises to the top and the profile of Watford Football Club has been raised 100% in the last 3 months- we will continue to produce players with significant ability for years to come and they will move on.
If you want to support MU, Ars, Ch, MC then crack on.
I am a Watford Supporter of 35 years and that will not change even if we play in the Conference South.


OK lets be sensible here.. you earn a good wage of £3500 a week plus bonuses, a car and a house. You are young and ambitious.. You are hunt hunted by a bigger firm and offered £17,500 a week, 2 cars and a bigger house and you tell them you are not interested? Of course he's going to be interested! We need to wake up and realise what we are all about.. If he goes then we are NOT doomed like the majority think- be positive. Who the hell heard of him this time last year? We will find someone else and re-create the cycle if he goes. If he doesn't decide to go now it will only be a temporary measure. The cream always rises to the top and the profile of Watford Football Club has been raised 100% in the last 3 months- we will continue to produce players with significant ability for years to come and they will move on. If you want to support MU, Ars, Ch, MC then crack on. I am a Watford Supporter of 35 years and that will not change even if we play in the Conference South. steve sherwood (No1)
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11:13pm Thu 27 Aug 09

Sy says...

On the topic of centre halves, I see that Leigh Bromby appears to be repeating the trick of signing for a club and then leaving shortly after for a slightly reduced fee.

He's in talks with Leeds and I can't imagine they're offering the reported £500,000 that Sheff Utd paid us to buy him back (just a few months after we paid around £650,000 for him)
On the topic of centre halves, I see that Leigh Bromby appears to be repeating the trick of signing for a club and then leaving shortly after for a slightly reduced fee. He's in talks with Leeds and I can't imagine they're offering the reported £500,000 that Sheff Utd paid us to buy him back (just a few months after we paid around £650,000 for him) Sy
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11:17pm Thu 27 Aug 09

36kings says...

Nice try Holly68,
I do not doubt your financial information but on the transfer request the whole thing stinks. I assure you it was impossible.
Again, the players do not know whats going on.
MW will look certain people in the eye and ask what the hells going on!
Nice try Holly68, I do not doubt your financial information but on the transfer request the whole thing stinks. I assure you it was impossible. Again, the players do not know whats going on. MW will look certain people in the eye and ask what the hells going on! 36kings
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11:42pm Thu 27 Aug 09

Hornet Cornet says...

The whole transfers scenario really does smack of desperation. I'll bet that more that Williamson now wants to leave the club and, if this is the general feeling throughout the camp, the players will not play to their potential.

There is no obvious hope for the club at the moment. Fai enough, first and foremost, we need to remain solvent, but we also need to be competitive at the same time. I'm more assured on being solvent than I am at being competitive. We've been utterly cr*p for at least 3 years now and recent events are ensuring that we are relegated this season. Unless anyone knows any different of course.

HC
The whole transfers scenario really does smack of desperation. I'll bet that more that Williamson now wants to leave the club and, if this is the general feeling throughout the camp, the players will not play to their potential. There is no obvious hope for the club at the moment. Fai enough, first and foremost, we need to remain solvent, but we also need to be competitive at the same time. I'm more assured on being solvent than I am at being competitive. We've been utterly cr*p for at least 3 years now and recent events are ensuring that we are relegated this season. Unless anyone knows any different of course. HC Hornet Cornet
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11:55pm Thu 27 Aug 09

D.unstable says...

Williamson is a good centre half true, but he is hardly international material and can be replaced. Mission is if he does not want to stay, get as much profit as possible for him. His fee will be calculated on factors such as how much he has left on his contract = 3 years, how old he is = young, is he still improving = yes, how much the buying club want him. In the current market he will not leave for less than 3.5 to 4m and could be great business even if Wycombe do get a reported 25%

I watched the tv interview with TS on the Pompey website tonight and yes he has to say it but it makes you realise that it is a job to these guys, the same as your job whereas you want as much money as possible for doing as little as possible. It is easy as a fan to forget this and expect them to have the same passion for our club as we do. Unfortunately it is extremely rare that this is the case, maybe Ian Wright at Arsenal or Luther at Watford but on the hole it is only a job to them, they move on when told to do so and kiss the next club badge.

As somebody else mentioned on here let MM build his own team and judge him accordingly, this does not mean certain relegation, we are not the only team in this division that is having to start over.

Let's keep positive, it could be worse we could anounce that we have re-signed McAnuff on a season long loan tomorrow.
Williamson is a good centre half true, but he is hardly international material and can be replaced. Mission is if he does not want to stay, get as much profit as possible for him. His fee will be calculated on factors such as how much he has left on his contract = 3 years, how old he is = young, is he still improving = yes, how much the buying club want him. In the current market he will not leave for less than 3.5 to 4m and could be great business even if Wycombe do get a reported 25% I watched the tv interview with TS on the Pompey website tonight and yes he has to say it but it makes you realise that it is a job to these guys, the same as your job whereas you want as much money as possible for doing as little as possible. It is easy as a fan to forget this and expect them to have the same passion for our club as we do. Unfortunately it is extremely rare that this is the case, maybe Ian Wright at Arsenal or Luther at Watford but on the hole it is only a job to them, they move on when told to do so and kiss the next club badge. As somebody else mentioned on here let MM build his own team and judge him accordingly, this does not mean certain relegation, we are not the only team in this division that is having to start over. Let's keep positive, it could be worse we could anounce that we have re-signed McAnuff on a season long loan tomorrow. D.unstable
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12:00am Fri 28 Aug 09

WFC4ever says...

All the people that want to have answer to certain questions should listen to the Fans Forum coming up soon.

At least the Russos are having one rather than hiding through tricky times unlike Mr Simpson.

They are businessmen who ofcourse want to make some money but don't want to lead the club into administration as that is NOT GOOD unless you have a buyer lined up...which we don't seem to.

I hope Williamson stays though and we are competitive.

McAnuff was a waste of space anyway and its clear the board would rather gain money for Tamas and Tommy than lose them for nothing.

It will be hard naturally (was before these guys left) but lets support the team and manager rather than the usual thing which seems to happen with fans here and at matches in lots of bickering when really NONE of us have full facts unless your on the board!

At least we know the young players want to be with us although I'd like to bring in a couple of experience players albeit better than Severin!

As pointed out before no-one seems to want to buy the players we REALLY would like to see leave such as Ellington/Sadler.

We'll probably win on Saturday now after all this mess!

All the people that want to have answer to certain questions should listen to the Fans Forum coming up soon. At least the Russos are having one rather than hiding through tricky times unlike Mr Simpson. They are businessmen who ofcourse want to make some money but don't want to lead the club into administration as that is NOT GOOD unless you have a buyer lined up...which we don't seem to. I hope Williamson stays though and we are competitive. McAnuff was a waste of space anyway and its clear the board would rather gain money for Tamas and Tommy than lose them for nothing. It will be hard naturally (was before these guys left) but lets support the team and manager rather than the usual thing which seems to happen with fans here and at matches in lots of bickering when really NONE of us have full facts unless your on the board! At least we know the young players want to be with us although I'd like to bring in a couple of experience players albeit better than Severin! As pointed out before no-one seems to want to buy the players we REALLY would like to see leave such as Ellington/Sadler. We'll probably win on Saturday now after all this mess! WFC4ever
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12:05am Fri 28 Aug 09

derry pigweed says...

Thanks Homer and Ca$hton you have left us right in the sh1t !
Thanks Homer and Ca$hton you have left us right in the sh1t ! derry pigweed
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12:22am Fri 28 Aug 09

36kings says...

HC,
Sad as it seems you are I believe correct. The board have every player up for sale whether they like it or not and also if they know that or not.
On one hand I understand the boards outlook and I understand the players and staffs points of view.
If as every one states on this board we have to sell to survive I understand this too.
What i do not understand is the way forward. IF the money banded about on these boards is correct then the wage structure and development and transfer policy is league 2 for sure.
If a few of us question this possibility we keep getting financial figures rammed down our throats.
I promise all the supporters on these boards Watford will not function in the lower leagues at Vicarage Rd the development potential will be worth a lot more than a club. 4 to 5 thousand fans rattling around in the vic? Thats why I question the way forward.
HC, Sad as it seems you are I believe correct. The board have every player up for sale whether they like it or not and also if they know that or not. On one hand I understand the boards outlook and I understand the players and staffs points of view. If as every one states on this board we have to sell to survive I understand this too. What i do not understand is the way forward. IF the money banded about on these boards is correct then the wage structure and development and transfer policy is league 2 for sure. If a few of us question this possibility we keep getting financial figures rammed down our throats. I promise all the supporters on these boards Watford will not function in the lower leagues at Vicarage Rd the development potential will be worth a lot more than a club. 4 to 5 thousand fans rattling around in the vic? Thats why I question the way forward. 36kings
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2:15am Fri 28 Aug 09

Henry VIII says...

What a day. Firstly the Tommy saga done and most fans reluctantly happy and understanding. The McAnuff sold, for me personally I am fine with this, a player that has under-acheived way and above the norm. Then Williamson. he fits the current wage structure. If he really has asked for a transfer request (and not been advised to ask as some crop circle types may think) then it does not say very much for the guy, nor the attitude of the modern player. Where do we go from here....I really don't know and I am starting for the first time to not quite care so much if this really is the attitude of the modern player. No wonder the age gap in attendances in under 20's is falling, maybe the kids are seeing the modern game for what it really is. A rip off....it makes you think and as families are not as close with traditions as they were a few generations ago maybe football (at least for the lower divisions) has peaked and is starting its decline.
What a day. Firstly the Tommy saga done and most fans reluctantly happy and understanding. The McAnuff sold, for me personally I am fine with this, a player that has under-acheived way and above the norm. Then Williamson. he fits the current wage structure. If he really has asked for a transfer request (and not been advised to ask as some crop circle types may think) then it does not say very much for the guy, nor the attitude of the modern player. Where do we go from here....I really don't know and I am starting for the first time to not quite care so much if this really is the attitude of the modern player. No wonder the age gap in attendances in under 20's is falling, maybe the kids are seeing the modern game for what it really is. A rip off....it makes you think and as families are not as close with traditions as they were a few generations ago maybe football (at least for the lower divisions) has peaked and is starting its decline. Henry VIII
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6:34am Fri 28 Aug 09

Chris the Vic says...

What has recently happened is a disaster but as Jason says enough said lets wait until Saturday.

Too many postings are making too many assumptions

ie The Russos are good for the club and have saved it

The Russos are self centred and have wrecked the club

The Russos have run the club this year and financially killed us off

Administration is a disaster and would kill the club with in addition a 10 point penalty

Malky has no plan B

and we still dont have any cash in the bank

None of the above are neccessarily true or false.

What I do know is that if Jay and Willow are sold, we will ony collect half of the fee and the complete heart of the club will have been ripped out.

What we also need is a very clear statement from the Russos on the following topics:

Why it was necessary to sell the amount of players they have

How that money has been applied

How much we are committed to spend on building projects and what those projects are

What financial exposure they had regarding WFC at the start of their reign and at the present time

Under exactly what terms did Homer resign at the EGM.

None of these requests will impact on the commercial confidentiality of the club and at the same time prove their wishes to run the club in a decent and transparent manner.

Fans and small shareholders are entitled to these facts relating to our club. So far, the Russos started well as Homer did, He later went off the rails with disastrous results and I would hate to think history is repeating itself.

If those who are pro or ante the Russos object to these requests please detail out your objections.

I would propose that in September if we have not had satisfactory answers we prepare to protest at a match
What has recently happened is a disaster but as Jason says enough said lets wait until Saturday. Too many postings are making too many assumptions ie The Russos are good for the club and have saved it The Russos are self centred and have wrecked the club The Russos have run the club this year and financially killed us off Administration is a disaster and would kill the club with in addition a 10 point penalty Malky has no plan B and we still dont have any cash in the bank None of the above are neccessarily true or false. What I do know is that if Jay and Willow are sold, we will ony collect half of the fee and the complete heart of the club will have been ripped out. What we also need is a very clear statement from the Russos on the following topics: Why it was necessary to sell the amount of players they have How that money has been applied How much we are committed to spend on building projects and what those projects are What financial exposure they had regarding WFC at the start of their reign and at the present time Under exactly what terms did Homer resign at the EGM. None of these requests will impact on the commercial confidentiality of the club and at the same time prove their wishes to run the club in a decent and transparent manner. Fans and small shareholders are entitled to these facts relating to our club. So far, the Russos started well as Homer did, He later went off the rails with disastrous results and I would hate to think history is repeating itself. If those who are pro or ante the Russos object to these requests please detail out your objections. I would propose that in September if we have not had satisfactory answers we prepare to protest at a match Chris the Vic
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8:59am Fri 28 Aug 09

Dr.Oftaw says...

derry pigweed wrote:
Dr.Oftaw wrote:
Magician wrote: Any care to have a guess at Saturdays starting line-up:
at this rate it the starting line up could well be; rogeruk hornet cornet bizlink chris the vic smeg heimishe hornet rick holden garston tony enlightened one hexham hornet only 2 ross jenkins and i`ll do the oranges!
Don't forget me I still drive a porsche , have a buffon hairstyle and have the best name ever in goalkeeping history....!
derry pigweed your in, if we were to field 12 i think that would be a good tactic.
[quote][p][bold]derry pigweed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr.Oftaw[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Magician[/bold] wrote: Any care to have a guess at Saturdays starting line-up:[/p][/quote]at this rate it the starting line up could well be; rogeruk hornet cornet bizlink chris the vic smeg heimishe hornet rick holden garston tony enlightened one hexham hornet only 2 ross jenkins and i`ll do the oranges![/p][/quote]Don't forget me I still drive a porsche , have a buffon hairstyle and have the best name ever in goalkeeping history....![/p][/quote]derry pigweed your in, if we were to field 12 i think that would be a good tactic. Dr.Oftaw
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9:12am Fri 28 Aug 09

harry uk says...

so if the Russos hadnt come along we would have gone out of business, sorry not having it.!! The Russos didnt have the financial clout required and have made money by lending to the club and raking in interest. they havent just appeared as saviours out of the kindness of their hearts. The only way to run the club their way is to sell the best players, surely this is is not a good way forward. Look at the crowd attendances in the next division down, if we get relegated
work out how much money the lcub will lose.!!
so if the Russos hadnt come along we would have gone out of business, sorry not having it.!! The Russos didnt have the financial clout required and have made money by lending to the club and raking in interest. they havent just appeared as saviours out of the kindness of their hearts. The only way to run the club their way is to sell the best players, surely this is is not a good way forward. Look at the crowd attendances in the next division down, if we get relegated work out how much money the lcub will lose.!! harry uk
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9:29am Fri 28 Aug 09

Sir Les Taylor says...

For all those Football Chairmen, Business Men of the Year, and Billionaires who have posted above, and wish the club to produce a statement detailing the current financial situation.....

What business, whether a market stall or FTSE100 company would tell their competitors how much trouble they're in?

Answers on a postcard please?

I'll be waiting for the flood of replies!
For all those Football Chairmen, Business Men of the Year, and Billionaires who have posted above, and wish the club to produce a statement detailing the current financial situation..... What business, whether a market stall or FTSE100 company would tell their competitors how much trouble they're in? Answers on a postcard please? I'll be waiting for the flood of replies! Sir Les Taylor
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9:46am Fri 28 Aug 09

john the greek says...

as a life long fan I will always follow wfc. I mite enjoy being top of League One just as much as struggling in Championship. What I sincerely hope is that our youth set up remains strong and we give our youngsters the chance to play and develop. This is the best way forward. So aside from all these sales what concerns me is the number of loanees that come in and take playing time from our own youngsters.
as a life long fan I will always follow wfc. I mite enjoy being top of League One just as much as struggling in Championship. What I sincerely hope is that our youth set up remains strong and we give our youngsters the chance to play and develop. This is the best way forward. So aside from all these sales what concerns me is the number of loanees that come in and take playing time from our own youngsters. john the greek
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9:53am Fri 28 Aug 09

36kings says...

Sir Les,
It would appear everyone knows WFC financial affairs. I keep getting replies to my posts detailing every penny.
How these fans know is beyond me so if they know I am quite sure any competitor will anyway.
Most people go along with every statement that comes out of the club and whether thats right or not is up to the individual.
I admit at the start I for one believed all the past board and manager and look at the obvious mess they left.
So I along with a few it seems now question the motives of this board.
And with regard to your post above Portsmouth, Notts county have and Newcastle do . Any team up for sale would have to show all finances to perspective purchasers. Whats to say a chairman or investor of a club wants to purchase another. Happens in the lower leagues.
Sir Les, It would appear everyone knows WFC financial affairs. I keep getting replies to my posts detailing every penny. How these fans know is beyond me so if they know I am quite sure any competitor will anyway. Most people go along with every statement that comes out of the club and whether thats right or not is up to the individual. I admit at the start I for one believed all the past board and manager and look at the obvious mess they left. So I along with a few it seems now question the motives of this board. And with regard to your post above Portsmouth, Notts county have and Newcastle do . Any team up for sale would have to show all finances to perspective purchasers. Whats to say a chairman or investor of a club wants to purchase another. Happens in the lower leagues. 36kings
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10:23am Fri 28 Aug 09

Billie says...

DJ and Bomber. If directors loan money the club ends up in debt and beholden to them. You still end up with a problem unless it is a share issue. As for the comment that Simpson got the ground back, it was the Russo's who coughed up £4m. They played the bigger part. If Ashton and Simpson were still here the ground would probably have already been cashed in, ring fenced of course, but maybe ringfenced for bonuses! Get real and get fair. All will be revealed.
DJ and Bomber. If directors loan money the club ends up in debt and beholden to them. You still end up with a problem unless it is a share issue. As for the comment that Simpson got the ground back, it was the Russo's who coughed up £4m. They played the bigger part. If Ashton and Simpson were still here the ground would probably have already been cashed in, ring fenced of course, but maybe ringfenced for bonuses! Get real and get fair. All will be revealed. Billie
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10:35am Fri 28 Aug 09

rupe says...

Since the summer the club received :
500k - Birmingham parachute payment
500k - Lee Williamson
500k est - Jobi McAnuff
500k - Reading compensation payment for Rodgers
1.7m - Tamas Priskin
1.8m - Tommy Smith

Thats 5.5m, of whcih c.300k has been spent on players. Even allowing for the state of the club, it is an utter disgrace that we have not spent 1.5m of that money on replacements. We are after all a FOOTBALL club and have a duty to provide some entertainment to the spectators.

We currently have 10k season ticket holders. Do you honestly think they will all renew if we go down. No - we will go back down to 5k season ticket holders resulting in a loss of income of two million pounds minimum.

Jimmy Russo said that when a player is sold our scouting network is so good that a player will come in immediately so WHERE THE HELL ARE THE PLAYERS?

Russo - you have a duty to put out a semi-competitive squad not this raggedy bunch who would struggle in League One

Mackay - Why haven't you gotten off your backside and signed replacements? Who is going to play up front against Swansea tomorrow?
Since the summer the club received : 500k - Birmingham parachute payment 500k - Lee Williamson 500k est - Jobi McAnuff 500k - Reading compensation payment for Rodgers 1.7m - Tamas Priskin 1.8m - Tommy Smith Thats 5.5m, of whcih c.300k has been spent on players. Even allowing for the state of the club, it is an utter disgrace that we have not spent 1.5m of that money on replacements. We are after all a FOOTBALL club and have a duty to provide some entertainment to the spectators. We currently have 10k season ticket holders. Do you honestly think they will all renew if we go down. No - we will go back down to 5k season ticket holders resulting in a loss of income of two million pounds minimum. Jimmy Russo said that when a player is sold our scouting network is so good that a player will come in immediately so WHERE THE HELL ARE THE PLAYERS? Russo - you have a duty to put out a semi-competitive squad not this raggedy bunch who would struggle in League One Mackay - Why haven't you gotten off your backside and signed replacements? Who is going to play up front against Swansea tomorrow? rupe
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10:47am Fri 28 Aug 09

The Rover says...

36kings wrote:
Nice try Holly68, I do not doubt your financial information but on the transfer request the whole thing stinks. I assure you it was impossible. Again, the players do not know whats going on. MW will look certain people in the eye and ask what the hells going on!
The players do know whats going on, and know that any of them could be sold at any time, and everyone has a price.

Tommy Smith did not want to leave Watford but was told that an offer has been accepted he has to go. The club needed the money and his wages were high.

All in all not very good for the morale of the rest of the team.
[quote][p][bold]36kings[/bold] wrote: Nice try Holly68, I do not doubt your financial information but on the transfer request the whole thing stinks. I assure you it was impossible. Again, the players do not know whats going on. MW will look certain people in the eye and ask what the hells going on![/p][/quote]The players do know whats going on, and know that any of them could be sold at any time, and everyone has a price. Tommy Smith did not want to leave Watford but was told that an offer has been accepted he has to go. The club needed the money and his wages were high. All in all not very good for the morale of the rest of the team. The Rover
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10:50am Fri 28 Aug 09

Billie says...

rupe, we needed to generate money to avoid going bust. I suspect it has been fever pitch this last couple of weeks, so be careful about telling people to get off their backsides. We may now (just) be in a position to work on (modest) acquisitions, maybe loans. Perhaps, maybe, possibly, we have been saved. We now need to score from the rebound. It may take time. And yes, it is a knife edge.
rupe, we needed to generate money to avoid going bust. I suspect it has been fever pitch this last couple of weeks, so be careful about telling people to get off their backsides. We may now (just) be in a position to work on (modest) acquisitions, maybe loans. Perhaps, maybe, possibly, we have been saved. We now need to score from the rebound. It may take time. And yes, it is a knife edge. Billie
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11:02am Fri 28 Aug 09

Hog Appreciation Member says...

derry pigweed wrote:
Thanks Homer and Ca$hton you have left us right in the sh1t !
Nice one the HOG. I don't know. I left this site yesterday and all seemed to be settled. Smithy etc. Now I get on here today and bang, half the team is off! Hurry up Saturday so I can at least feel safe for 90 mins knowing that we won't sell anyone?
I hear Luther and Barnsy are dusting off their boots.
[quote][p][bold]derry pigweed[/bold] wrote: Thanks Homer and Ca$hton you have left us right in the sh1t ![/p][/quote]Nice one the HOG. I don't know. I left this site yesterday and all seemed to be settled. Smithy etc. Now I get on here today and bang, half the team is off! Hurry up Saturday so I can at least feel safe for 90 mins knowing that we won't sell anyone? I hear Luther and Barnsy are dusting off their boots. Hog Appreciation Member
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11:02am Fri 28 Aug 09

Chris the Vic says...

Sir Les you are missing a point..Your glib statement about the financial confidentiality and stability of the club might be relevant excepting when the Russos took over so much was laid open and had been laid open that every club in the land was alerted to the fact that we were totally vulnerable.

I would like assurances that they havent used the money raised to clear loans that might have been renewed in part or in full by banks, that other than their short term loan no other loans have been repaid that mitigate their exposure against the interests of the club and that they are not doing everything imaginable to protect their shareholding even if it means winding up the club under a members voluntary. At no stage am I asking for details of contracts, wages paid to employees...just directors. It isnt that sensitive information but with the monies that have flowed in at a huge cost to the quality of the playing staff we are entitled to know as shareholders and fans when we are likely to enjoy a stable financial future and what effect the sales have had on the balance sheet.

I presume that you are happy for further sales to take place for whatever reason whereas I and many others are not, we try and learn from the past
Sir Les you are missing a point..Your glib statement about the financial confidentiality and stability of the club might be relevant excepting when the Russos took over so much was laid open and had been laid open that every club in the land was alerted to the fact that we were totally vulnerable. I would like assurances that they havent used the money raised to clear loans that might have been renewed in part or in full by banks, that other than their short term loan no other loans have been repaid that mitigate their exposure against the interests of the club and that they are not doing everything imaginable to protect their shareholding even if it means winding up the club under a members voluntary. At no stage am I asking for details of contracts, wages paid to employees...just directors. It isnt that sensitive information but with the monies that have flowed in at a huge cost to the quality of the playing staff we are entitled to know as shareholders and fans when we are likely to enjoy a stable financial future and what effect the sales have had on the balance sheet. I presume that you are happy for further sales to take place for whatever reason whereas I and many others are not, we try and learn from the past Chris the Vic
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11:03am Fri 28 Aug 09

Hans says...

Why on earth did we sell Robinson. The guy was on peanuts and had proved he could score in League One. So far this season he's scored five goals, two against Newcastle the other night so obviously he can score against Championship sides. Robinson is a determined fellow and clearly wants to prove the board wrong.
Why on earth did we sell Robinson. The guy was on peanuts and had proved he could score in League One. So far this season he's scored five goals, two against Newcastle the other night so obviously he can score against Championship sides. Robinson is a determined fellow and clearly wants to prove the board wrong. Hans
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11:21am Fri 28 Aug 09

Prof Plum says...

rupe wrote:
Since the summer the club received :
500k - Birmingham parachute payment
500k - Lee Williamson
500k est - Jobi McAnuff
500k - Reading compensation payment for Rodgers
1.7m - Tamas Priskin
1.8m - Tommy Smith

Thats 5.5m, of whcih c.300k has been spent on players. Even allowing for the state of the club, it is an utter disgrace that we have not spent 1.5m of that money on replacements. We are after all a FOOTBALL club and have a duty to provide some entertainment to the spectators.

We currently have 10k season ticket holders. Do you honestly think they will all renew if we go down. No - we will go back down to 5k season ticket holders resulting in a loss of income of two million pounds minimum.

Jimmy Russo said that when a player is sold our scouting network is so good that a player will come in immediately so WHERE THE HELL ARE THE PLAYERS?

Russo - you have a duty to put out a semi-competitive squad not this raggedy bunch who would struggle in League One

Mackay - Why haven't you gotten off your backside and signed replacements? Who is going to play up front against Swansea tomorrow?
Lose 5000 season ticket holders if we go down? Hysterical cr@p. Any more postings like that and you'll be asked to take a gender test.
[quote][p][bold]rupe[/bold] wrote: Since the summer the club received : 500k - Birmingham parachute payment 500k - Lee Williamson 500k est - Jobi McAnuff 500k - Reading compensation payment for Rodgers 1.7m - Tamas Priskin 1.8m - Tommy Smith Thats 5.5m, of whcih c.300k has been spent on players. Even allowing for the state of the club, it is an utter disgrace that we have not spent 1.5m of that money on replacements. We are after all a FOOTBALL club and have a duty to provide some entertainment to the spectators. We currently have 10k season ticket holders. Do you honestly think they will all renew if we go down. No - we will go back down to 5k season ticket holders resulting in a loss of income of two million pounds minimum. Jimmy Russo said that when a player is sold our scouting network is so good that a player will come in immediately so WHERE THE HELL ARE THE PLAYERS? Russo - you have a duty to put out a semi-competitive squad not this raggedy bunch who would struggle in League One Mackay - Why haven't you gotten off your backside and signed replacements? Who is going to play up front against Swansea tomorrow? [/p][/quote]Lose 5000 season ticket holders if we go down? Hysterical cr@p. Any more postings like that and you'll be asked to take a gender test. Prof Plum
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11:23am Fri 28 Aug 09

Sir Les Taylor says...

36kings,

With regards to Portsmouth, Notts County and Newcastle, these clubs are or have been for sale, which since the R's have been in charge, has not been the case with Watford, unless someone can tell me otherwise. This is why their situations have been well documented / guessed, and why they haven't at Watford. Also, with the club being listed on the AIM market, they cannot just dish out statements of this kind willy nilly. It would be along the lines of what the infamous Gerald Ratner said about his business, and we all know what happened to that. (To those who don't know who Mr Ratner is / was, go and ask your mum, or look on her ring finger!)

Don't get me wrong, I do not like what is happening either, but I am a realist. Whatever happens over the next three to five years is due to the complete and utter mess that Simpson and Co left the club in, no one else.

Let me ask all the doubters this. If the club could afford this and that, don't you think it would be. I'm sure the R's know very well that they only way to make money would be to get promoted, but financial stability and averting the threat of administration is, and will be the number 1 concern!! If only they had the money to give most of you a lesson on how to read a balance sheet.


Chris the Vic,
The R's took over nearly a year ago, when a certain NE looked like he would never set foot in Watford again. As documented by others, Watford will owe WBA £1m if he plays a few more games, while having to paying him 18k a week until his contract runs out . Add to the cancelling of a number of contracts over the summer (because no other clubs wanted them), the situation has changed since then. It is called budgeting!


It seems to me that some on here want the Moon on a stick!

God give me strength.
36kings, With regards to Portsmouth, Notts County and Newcastle, these clubs are or have been for sale, which since the R's have been in charge, has not been the case with Watford, unless someone can tell me otherwise. This is why their situations have been well documented / guessed, and why they haven't at Watford. Also, with the club being listed on the AIM market, they cannot just dish out statements of this kind willy nilly. It would be along the lines of what the infamous Gerald Ratner said about his business, and we all know what happened to that. (To those who don't know who Mr Ratner is / was, go and ask your mum, or look on her ring finger!) Don't get me wrong, I do not like what is happening either, but I am a realist. Whatever happens over the next three to five years is due to the complete and utter mess that Simpson and Co left the club in, no one else. Let me ask all the doubters this. If the club could afford this and that, don't you think it would be. I'm sure the R's know very well that they only way to make money would be to get promoted, but financial stability and averting the threat of administration is, and will be the number 1 concern!! If only they had the money to give most of you a lesson on how to read a balance sheet. Chris the Vic, The R's took over nearly a year ago, when a certain NE looked like he would never set foot in Watford again. As documented by others, Watford will owe WBA £1m if he plays a few more games, while having to paying him 18k a week until his contract runs out . Add to the cancelling of a number of contracts over the summer (because no other clubs wanted them), the situation has changed since then. It is called budgeting! It seems to me that some on here want the Moon on a stick! God give me strength. Sir Les Taylor
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11:44am Fri 28 Aug 09

bomber18 says...

peter10531089 wrote:
bomber18 wrote:
peter10531089 wrote: I'm sorry but if you really think you can question GT's integrity then you are havin a laugh!! The club is only as high as it is due to the legacy that he and SEJ left us. They have never acted without honour and integrity towards the football club and its fans. You may be too young to remember the shrodells stand and the fourth division but I do. GT and SEJ deserve nothing but thanks and respect and you show them neither!
I wish I was young but i was at the Vic when the likes of Bobby Bell was Playing.I wasn't questioning GTs intetrity but I recall that twice he scarpered up the M6 to Aston villa so leaving his "beloved" Watford!!
you asked if GT was on the board simply to collect his sheckles! That I would say was questioning his integrity. I cant believe you hold a grudge from Taylor leaving the first time and the second time he had retired. Both times he left a financially sound club that was spurned by his successors by trying to spend big - we are not a big club if you remember Bobby Bell then you will know the club that Taylor joined in the 70s and the one he left in the 80's - the man is owed a debt by the club and the town.
Taylor came back to Watford the second time for "his pension" Not my words but by no other than GT!!
[quote][p][bold]peter10531089[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bomber18[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peter10531089[/bold] wrote: I'm sorry but if you really think you can question GT's integrity then you are havin a laugh!! The club is only as high as it is due to the legacy that he and SEJ left us. They have never acted without honour and integrity towards the football club and its fans. You may be too young to remember the shrodells stand and the fourth division but I do. GT and SEJ deserve nothing but thanks and respect and you show them neither![/p][/quote]I wish I was young but i was at the Vic when the likes of Bobby Bell was Playing.I wasn't questioning GTs intetrity but I recall that twice he scarpered up the M6 to Aston villa so leaving his "beloved" Watford!![/p][/quote]you asked if GT was on the board simply to collect his sheckles! That I would say was questioning his integrity. I cant believe you hold a grudge from Taylor leaving the first time and the second time he had retired. Both times he left a financially sound club that was spurned by his successors by trying to spend big - we are not a big club if you remember Bobby Bell then you will know the club that Taylor joined in the 70s and the one he left in the 80's - the man is owed a debt by the club and the town.[/p][/quote]Taylor came back to Watford the second time for "his pension" Not my words but by no other than GT!! bomber18
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11:55am Fri 28 Aug 09

Dr.Oftaw says...

do you know what i`m fed with?
waiting for the page to load then scrolling down to the bottom to read new posts. can we continue any further posts on the mackay pleased for smith thread!
do you know what i`m fed with? waiting for the page to load then scrolling down to the bottom to read new posts. can we continue any further posts on the mackay pleased for smith thread! Dr.Oftaw
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12:00pm Fri 28 Aug 09

bomber18 says...

At least the debate that's been raging shows that many fans care.Some opinions I agree with and some I don't.Some so abusive that they should sign up as West Ham supporters.Neverthel
ess we all know deep down that we will NOT be relegated,so enjoy your times at the Vic.Believe it or not it is a leisure that allows us to escape from real problems in our lives.
At least the debate that's been raging shows that many fans care.Some opinions I agree with and some I don't.Some so abusive that they should sign up as West Ham supporters.Neverthel ess we all know deep down that we will NOT be relegated,so enjoy your times at the Vic.Believe it or not it is a leisure that allows us to escape from real problems in our lives. bomber18
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12:00pm Fri 28 Aug 09

bomber18 says...

At least the debate that's been raging shows that many fans care.Some opinions I agree with and some I don't.Some so abusive that they should sign up as West Ham supporters.Neverthel
ess we all know deep down that we will NOT be relegated,so enjoy your times at the Vic.Believe it or not it is a leisure that allows us to escape from real problems in our lives.
At least the debate that's been raging shows that many fans care.Some opinions I agree with and some I don't.Some so abusive that they should sign up as West Ham supporters.Neverthel ess we all know deep down that we will NOT be relegated,so enjoy your times at the Vic.Believe it or not it is a leisure that allows us to escape from real problems in our lives. bomber18
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1:44pm Fri 28 Aug 09

36kings says...

Sir Les,
My mum has a number of rings and not one was bought from ratners because she had a choice to shop elsewhere.
My wifes rings were not purchased from ratners either as I personally like individual items and not mass produced cheap items. i.e. you get what you pay for.
I may be wrong but I thought the board were looking for investment.
Surely any investor would ask to see the 'balance sheet' before investment and that therefore makes watfords financial plight open to scrutiny.
I agree with everyones concerns as the majority of us love this club and I know the financial security of this club is paramount. But its a spectator sport and the spectacle about to be served up looks bleak.

Sir Les, My mum has a number of rings and not one was bought from ratners because she had a choice to shop elsewhere. My wifes rings were not purchased from ratners either as I personally like individual items and not mass produced cheap items. i.e. you get what you pay for. I may be wrong but I thought the board were looking for investment. Surely any investor would ask to see the 'balance sheet' before investment and that therefore makes watfords financial plight open to scrutiny. I agree with everyones concerns as the majority of us love this club and I know the financial security of this club is paramount. But its a spectator sport and the spectacle about to be served up looks bleak. 36kings
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2:17pm Fri 28 Aug 09

Sir Les Taylor says...

36kings wrote:
Sir Les, My mum has a number of rings and not one was bought from ratners because she had a choice to shop elsewhere. My wifes rings were not purchased from ratners either as I personally like individual items and not mass produced cheap items. i.e. you get what you pay for. I may be wrong but I thought the board were looking for investment. Surely any investor would ask to see the 'balance sheet' before investment and that therefore makes watfords financial plight open to scrutiny. I agree with everyones concerns as the majority of us love this club and I know the financial security of this club is paramount. But its a spectator sport and the spectacle about to be served up looks bleak.
36kings,

Of course investors would be able to look at the club's balance sheet before investment, but that does not mean it should be available for all and sundry on the WFC website like some are asking for. I know for sure that the R's are looking for investment, but you'd agree that a) we're not in the best of financial climates and b) we're not the best of investments while we have all this debt hanging round us like a noose.

I also agree that you get what you pay for, and that the spectacle about to be served up does not look as good as it did, but many other small clubs in this division survive. In all honesty, the spectacle has been bleak for the majority of the last three years, regardless of who has played.

What the R's are having to do is to make sure we can go and watch any kind of spectacle, rather than nothing at all.

The bottom line of this particular article is that MW handed in a transfer request which was refused. The problem being is that the players hold all of the cards, all of the time. Do you think SAF wanted to let CR go. No he didn't, but the money was too good to refuse, and the player wanted to go. I suspect the same will happen here, as it has always done.

I repeat again, this is not the R's doing. They are doing what they can to ensure we do not follow the Leeds route, all due to a maverick Chairman and Co. Yes he "saved" the club first, but then what happened next just saddens me. The worst thing that has happened to this club since it got promoted in 99 was to get promoted again!



[quote][p][bold]36kings[/bold] wrote: Sir Les, My mum has a number of rings and not one was bought from ratners because she had a choice to shop elsewhere. My wifes rings were not purchased from ratners either as I personally like individual items and not mass produced cheap items. i.e. you get what you pay for. I may be wrong but I thought the board were looking for investment. Surely any investor would ask to see the 'balance sheet' before investment and that therefore makes watfords financial plight open to scrutiny. I agree with everyones concerns as the majority of us love this club and I know the financial security of this club is paramount. But its a spectator sport and the spectacle about to be served up looks bleak. [/p][/quote]36kings, Of course investors would be able to look at the club's balance sheet before investment, but that does not mean it should be available for all and sundry on the WFC website like some are asking for. I know for sure that the R's are looking for investment, but you'd agree that a) we're not in the best of financial climates and b) we're not the best of investments while we have all this debt hanging round us like a noose. I also agree that you get what you pay for, and that the spectacle about to be served up does not look as good as it did, but many other small clubs in this division survive. In all honesty, the spectacle has been bleak for the majority of the last three years, regardless of who has played. What the R's are having to do is to make sure we can go and watch any kind of spectacle, rather than nothing at all. The bottom line of this particular article is that MW handed in a transfer request which was refused. The problem being is that the players hold all of the cards, all of the time. Do you think SAF wanted to let CR go. No he didn't, but the money was too good to refuse, and the player wanted to go. I suspect the same will happen here, as it has always done. I repeat again, this is not the R's doing. They are doing what they can to ensure we do not follow the Leeds route, all due to a maverick Chairman and Co. Yes he "saved" the club first, but then what happened next just saddens me. The worst thing that has happened to this club since it got promoted in 99 was to get promoted again! Sir Les Taylor
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3:55pm Fri 28 Aug 09

Chris the Vic says...

Sir Les you may be right about NE or guessing incorrectly but at the end of the day it would be good to know how we stand after this mass exodus. Equally I am sure the players would also like to know as would other shareholders. Hopefully the Russos understand they are running a plc and not a family business
Sir Les you may be right about NE or guessing incorrectly but at the end of the day it would be good to know how we stand after this mass exodus. Equally I am sure the players would also like to know as would other shareholders. Hopefully the Russos understand they are running a plc and not a family business Chris the Vic
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5:33pm Fri 28 Aug 09

Wooter bout that! says...


Williamson is showing the same sort of integrity as the Judas paddy.
While the Russos seem to be employing Simpson's interpretation on the term 'prudent'.
Down the football league we go...
Williamson is showing the same sort of integrity as the Judas paddy. While the Russos seem to be employing Simpson's interpretation on the term 'prudent'. Down the football league we go... Wooter bout that!
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