Watford miss out on vital win after last-gasp Baggies equaliser

Heroic Watford were denied a memorable victory against all odds when Chris Brunt’s equaliser seven minutes into injury-time earned Premier League-bound West Bromwich Albion a last-gasp draw after an afternoon of high drama at Vicarage Road.

The Hornets had already lost Lloyd Doyley and Will Buckley to injury when Tom Cleverley was stretchered off with what looked like a season-ending leg problem mid-way through the second half. Worse was to follow when Jon Harley saw red after picking up a second yellow card.

But if the Baggies were meant to go on and wrap up what could have been a top-flight clinching win after that, nobody had told the Hornets and five minutes from the end of normal time Danny Graham scored with a superb 25-yard strike to put the hosts in the lead.

The visitors had failed to register an attempt on target in the 90 minutes, but in the seventh minute of stoppage time Andwele Slory’s header back across the area found Brunt unmarked at the back post to level.

Despite the immense disappointment, the good news for the Hornets was that they remained outside the drop zone on goal difference from Sheffield Wednesday.

Malky Mackay was forced to make three changes from the 1-1 draw at Preston North End. Henri Lansbury was suspended, while Martin Taylor and Heidar Helguson missed out through injury, so the three players who came on as substitutes at Deepdale – Lee Hodson, Don Cowie and Graham – were all promoted from the bench.

Watford spurned a great chance to take an early lead in the eighth minute when John Eustace nodded the ball through to Adrian Mariappa, who found himself all alone in the area. The defender, making his 150th Hornets’ appearance, had time to bring it down but chose to hit it first time on the half-volley, but put his shot too close to Scott Carson.

However, the Hornets then suffered a blow when Doyley was forced out of the contest with an injury and was replaced by Jay DeMerit. But it was the club captain who then made a superb goal-saving header to prevent Graham Dorrans from getting his head on a cross from the right when surely he would have netted from close range.

Watford though, were having the better of it, without creating a great deal, but in the 34th minute tempers boiled over when John Eustace and Dorrans battled for the ball tight to the right touchline, they both went to ground and then squared up to each other before Steve Tanner pulled them apart. Both players were booked, along with Roman Bednar, for needlessly getting involved, and soon after Jonas Olsson also saw yellow for dissent.

Mariappa hit a searing right-footed drive straight at Carson, but then the visitors were forced into a change when Abdoulaye Meite replaced the injured Gianni Zuiverloon. However, the home side were also forced into a change soon after when Buckley went off with cramp and Stephen McGinn took his place.

Two changes in six minutes became three in nine, with James Morrison coming on for Giles Barnes, but the worst injury of them all happened in the 69th minute.

Cleverley lost out in a challenge to Dorrans and went down with a serious-looking injury to his right leg. The Manchester United loanee needed to be stretchered from the pitch wearing an oxygen mask and was replaced by Will Hoskins for the final 20 minutes.

If that wasn’t bad enough, the home side were reduced to ten men ten minutes later when Harley was adjudged to have blocked off Morrison and Tanner had no hesitation in producing a second yellow.

However, with five minutes remaining, Cowie won the ball and laid it off to Graham, who struck a superb first-time right-footed half-volley from 25 yards that gave Carson no chance.

Watford looked like they would hold on for their most important three points of the season, but in the last minute of stoppage time Slory headed across the area and Brunt came in umarked to head in an equaliser.

Watford: Loach; Hodson, Mariappa, Bennett, Doyley (DeMerit 10); Cleverley (Hoskins 69), Eustace, Harley, Cowie; Graham, Buckley (McGinn 60). Not used: Jenkins, Lee, Henderson and Noble.

West Bromwich Albion: Carson; Zuiverloon (Meite 54), Tamas, Olsson, Cech; Mulumbu; Barnes (Morrison 63), Koren (Slory 80), Dorrans, Brunt; Bednar. Not used: Kiley, Mattock, Miller and Cox.

Bookings: Harley for a foul on Koren after 31 mins; Eustace for scuffle with Dorrans after 34 mins; Dorrans for scuffle with Eustace after 34 mins; Bednar for getting involved with scuffle after 34 mins; Olsson for dissent after 35 mins; Harley for a foul on Morrison after 79 mins – red card; Graham booked for excessive celebrating after 85 mins; Tamas for a foul on Cowie after 90 mins; Brunt for excessive celebrating after 90 mins.

Attendance: 14,555.

Referee: Steve Tanner.

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5:29pm Mon 5 Apr 10

d_ol says...

Gutted. But at least we got a probably unexpected point and Graham seems to be sticking the ball in the net now. In order to stay up we will need some one to score! Bad news about Cleverly, he would be a massive loss were he injured for the run in. Fingers crossed! Plymouth game is MASSIVE!
Gutted. But at least we got a probably unexpected point and Graham seems to be sticking the ball in the net now. In order to stay up we will need some one to score! Bad news about Cleverly, he would be a massive loss were he injured for the run in. Fingers crossed! Plymouth game is MASSIVE! d_ol

5:31pm Mon 5 Apr 10

FelixTheHorn says...

Absolute heroes.
COYH!!!
Absolute heroes. COYH!!! FelixTheHorn

5:32pm Mon 5 Apr 10

rookery boy says...

well done boys...so unlucky not to hang on for all three points.
now back it up with a win against Plymouth!!
dale bennett immense!!
Told you scunny and QPR would get dragged back into it!!
well done boys...so unlucky not to hang on for all three points. now back it up with a win against Plymouth!! dale bennett immense!! Told you scunny and QPR would get dragged back into it!! rookery boy

5:43pm Mon 5 Apr 10

smalon says...

I swear we are jinxed!
Anyone else not surprised to see Harley get sent off?
I fancy us to stuff Plymouth on saturday, I think we are due a thumping good win.
Lets see how long it takes Rick Holden (or one of the many other names he is posting under) to come on bleating 'A draw not good enough, get rid of MM, Get rid of Hodson, Graham, Useless blah blah blah...'.
I swear we are jinxed! Anyone else not surprised to see Harley get sent off? I fancy us to stuff Plymouth on saturday, I think we are due a thumping good win. Lets see how long it takes Rick Holden (or one of the many other names he is posting under) to come on bleating 'A draw not good enough, get rid of MM, Get rid of Hodson, Graham, Useless blah blah blah...'. smalon

5:57pm Mon 5 Apr 10

Buckstops says...

Another rock solid performance from the boys. 4th bottom is within reach. Keep it up you Horns!
Another rock solid performance from the boys. 4th bottom is within reach. Keep it up you Horns! Buckstops

6:11pm Mon 5 Apr 10

Dr.Oftaw says...

d_ol wrote:
Gutted. But at least we got a probably unexpected point and Graham seems to be sticking the ball in the net now. In order to stay up we will need some one to score! Bad news about Cleverly, he would be a massive loss were he injured for the run in. Fingers crossed! Plymouth game is MASSIVE!
looked like knee ligaments which would def put him out
[quote][p][bold]d_ol[/bold] wrote: Gutted. But at least we got a probably unexpected point and Graham seems to be sticking the ball in the net now. In order to stay up we will need some one to score! Bad news about Cleverly, he would be a massive loss were he injured for the run in. Fingers crossed! Plymouth game is MASSIVE![/p][/quote]looked like knee ligaments which would def put him out Dr.Oftaw

6:12pm Mon 5 Apr 10

hornet4eva says...

dead unlucky today. gutsy performance. heartbreaking for the lads to concede like that but should be proud of their efforts and great goal from graham. truly believe a win v plymouth will see us ok
dead unlucky today. gutsy performance. heartbreaking for the lads to concede like that but should be proud of their efforts and great goal from graham. truly believe a win v plymouth will see us ok hornet4eva

6:15pm Mon 5 Apr 10

bishopofwatford says...

well well well

another point and another mature performance from dale bennett
well done sir my man of the match

credit also to je , dg , jdm , am , wb
and tc ....get well soon

just one slight niggle is john harley on the same wavelength as the rest of the team ??

i dont think so and dont think we will miss him

still must away to polish the pews and restuff the kneelers

keet the faith
well well well another point and another mature performance from dale bennett well done sir my man of the match credit also to je , dg , jdm , am , wb and tc ....get well soon just one slight niggle is john harley on the same wavelength as the rest of the team ?? i dont think so and dont think we will miss him still must away to polish the pews and restuff the kneelers keet the faith bishopofwatford

6:18pm Mon 5 Apr 10

rogeruk says...

A performance to take your breath away, probably WBA's toughest game in the championship. Graham looks like a new signing! Dale Benett immense, Demertit had his best game of the season.

On a positive note it would be a travesty to go down now because this team without Lansbury and Cleverly would be chasing playoffs in next season's championship.

Major major work has to be done in the close season on working how to hold a lead to win games, given the massive amount of points thrown away we would be well safe by now.

Fantastic game, brilliant performance massively unlucky. Put five more performances like this and we will stay up. Financially very important to stay up as both Newcastle's and WBA's parachute payments which is a very significant amount of money will be divided between championship teams for next season.
A performance to take your breath away, probably WBA's toughest game in the championship. Graham looks like a new signing! Dale Benett immense, Demertit had his best game of the season. On a positive note it would be a travesty to go down now because this team without Lansbury and Cleverly would be chasing playoffs in next season's championship. Major major work has to be done in the close season on working how to hold a lead to win games, given the massive amount of points thrown away we would be well safe by now. Fantastic game, brilliant performance massively unlucky. Put five more performances like this and we will stay up. Financially very important to stay up as both Newcastle's and WBA's parachute payments which is a very significant amount of money will be divided between championship teams for next season. rogeruk

6:32pm Mon 5 Apr 10

Jensen Orn says...

Brilliant performance, tempered by the same mistake, as yet again the defence followed the ball and left the far post free for the opposition to score. Such a shame but surely a point gained in most peoples eyes. Come on you 'Orns
Brilliant performance, tempered by the same mistake, as yet again the defence followed the ball and left the far post free for the opposition to score. Such a shame but surely a point gained in most peoples eyes. Come on you 'Orns Jensen Orn

6:34pm Mon 5 Apr 10

pfwhornets says...

Greatly entertaining game concidering I had us down to get stuffed today. Dale Bennett was immense, Eustace was everywhere, Graham's goal was out of the top drawer; had me running up and down the aisles. Need another 5 points and we should be ok. But don't bank on 3 easy points against Plymouth.......
Greatly entertaining game concidering I had us down to get stuffed today. Dale Bennett was immense, Eustace was everywhere, Graham's goal was out of the top drawer; had me running up and down the aisles. Need another 5 points and we should be ok. But don't bank on 3 easy points against Plymouth....... pfwhornets

6:39pm Mon 5 Apr 10

rousman 2 says...

Would find it hard to chose between Dale Bennett & Danny Graham for MOM. Gutted for Cleverley. Thanks for all you have done for us this season Tom all the best.
Would find it hard to chose between Dale Bennett & Danny Graham for MOM. Gutted for Cleverley. Thanks for all you have done for us this season Tom all the best. rousman 2

6:48pm Mon 5 Apr 10

derry pigweed says...

Great performance today and very unlucky not to get all three points

Eustace and Bennett were very good A great goal from Graham

Well done team and Malky!

C.O.Y.H.
Great performance today and very unlucky not to get all three points Eustace and Bennett were very good A great goal from Graham Well done team and Malky! C.O.Y.H. derry pigweed

6:57pm Mon 5 Apr 10

herts hornet says...

Have to agree with most above and yes an excellent performance only soured by yet more poor defending at back post ,96 minutes played and still we concede late goals yet again !! But and ok will get some pelters for daring to question the manager today ,but why has it taken so long to freshen up the side AND MAKE CHANGES ,we started with Hodson ,marriappa,bennett and Doyley ,they were great ,we lost Doyley and on came a different ,motivated player of old in Demerit just shows you what a kick up the backside and dropping can do ,No HH and we go back to Danny Graham up front on his own with great support from midfield,was this not how we were playing when on good run !! This game highlighted to me more than ever where MM has been found wanting and i am very annoyed it has taken us to be nearly relegated for him to make the changes and stop picking the same under performing players ,what a breath of fresh air Dale Bennett has been ,Hodson never lets us down he even did ok at left back ,shame Jon Harley let the team down with his reckless sending off and he is meant to be experienced ,Well done to Danny Graham a faultless gusty hardworking performance ,John Eustace totally immense and welcome back Mr Demerit ! Hopefully still time to salvage our championship season then an inquest can really be had ,MM not the man for me but well done to the team today you did NOT get what you deserved now lets see that kind of performance against Plymouth ?
Have to agree with most above and yes an excellent performance only soured by yet more poor defending at back post ,96 minutes played and still we concede late goals yet again !! But and ok will get some pelters for daring to question the manager today ,but why has it taken so long to freshen up the side AND MAKE CHANGES ,we started with Hodson ,marriappa,bennett and Doyley ,they were great ,we lost Doyley and on came a different ,motivated player of old in Demerit just shows you what a kick up the backside and dropping can do ,No HH and we go back to Danny Graham up front on his own with great support from midfield,was this not how we were playing when on good run !! This game highlighted to me more than ever where MM has been found wanting and i am very annoyed it has taken us to be nearly relegated for him to make the changes and stop picking the same under performing players ,what a breath of fresh air Dale Bennett has been ,Hodson never lets us down he even did ok at left back ,shame Jon Harley let the team down with his reckless sending off and he is meant to be experienced ,Well done to Danny Graham a faultless gusty hardworking performance ,John Eustace totally immense and welcome back Mr Demerit ! Hopefully still time to salvage our championship season then an inquest can really be had ,MM not the man for me but well done to the team today you did NOT get what you deserved now lets see that kind of performance against Plymouth ? herts hornet

7:03pm Mon 5 Apr 10

tringthing says...

Give Dale Bennett a regular slot.... 4/5 excellent blocks/ interceptions, read the game well, all round great individual performance. Not one shot on target in 90 mins for WBA says it all. Team set up to 'do the job' on west brom and did so despite injuries all over the park .
Good luck in the prem baggies , christ are you going to need it ! See you in a years time.
Give Dale Bennett a regular slot.... 4/5 excellent blocks/ interceptions, read the game well, all round great individual performance. Not one shot on target in 90 mins for WBA says it all. Team set up to 'do the job' on west brom and did so despite injuries all over the park . Good luck in the prem baggies , christ are you going to need it ! See you in a years time. tringthing

7:08pm Mon 5 Apr 10

Hornofplenty says...

Good show from Dale and Eustace (Even with his bizarre handbags moment!) can't tell you how sick I felt when their goal went in - loachy looked questionable for it.
Happy with this point despite the last minute sickener, hope we stay up and get some bizarre luck in summer with a new multi-billionaire owner....
Good show from Dale and Eustace (Even with his bizarre handbags moment!) can't tell you how sick I felt when their goal went in - loachy looked questionable for it. Happy with this point despite the last minute sickener, hope we stay up and get some bizarre luck in summer with a new multi-billionaire owner.... Hornofplenty

7:09pm Mon 5 Apr 10

pstannard1 says...

What a game, what a bloody game. So heartbreaking at the end. I think all in all a Watford Win should have happened today. WBA wasn't really at the races. Glad to see Graham scoring again. He is vital now to get the goals as the Plymouth game at home on Saturday is MOST VITALLY IMPORTANT 4 US TO WIN.

Feel sorry for Cleverly on what looks like a finish to his Watford Career. Good luck to the Future Tom and we'll see you on MOTD in August.

Worried about the mounting injuries aswell and the Harley Red card doesn't do use any favours

COYH
What a game, what a bloody game. So heartbreaking at the end. I think all in all a Watford Win should have happened today. WBA wasn't really at the races. Glad to see Graham scoring again. He is vital now to get the goals as the Plymouth game at home on Saturday is MOST VITALLY IMPORTANT 4 US TO WIN. Feel sorry for Cleverly on what looks like a finish to his Watford Career. Good luck to the Future Tom and we'll see you on MOTD in August. Worried about the mounting injuries aswell and the Harley Red card doesn't do use any favours COYH pstannard1

7:18pm Mon 5 Apr 10

djwatford says...

Obviously a very good display.
Special mentions to DB,JDM,DG and JE.
Harley was an idiot and should get fined.
The ref was also very good and got the vast majority of decisions right.
Shame about Tom because Saturday is a massive game.We need a win badly and seem to be running out of players!
Obviously a very good display. Special mentions to DB,JDM,DG and JE. Harley was an idiot and should get fined. The ref was also very good and got the vast majority of decisions right. Shame about Tom because Saturday is a massive game.We need a win badly and seem to be running out of players! djwatford

7:23pm Mon 5 Apr 10

dunstablehorn says...

I thought that was a brilliant performance today - couldn't decide betweem Eustace, Bennett and Graham for MoM. Shame about the back post goal again, is that 4 in 2 weeks like that?! I would've taken a point beforehand, but felt for the team when the equaliser went in.
Demerit was superb and obviously isnt now seeing time out till the world cup. Hopefully we'll get more supporters in for the Plymouth game, and more of us in the Rookery need to tell the Gestapo head steward (most who sit near the front in the Rookery will know this idiot in the glasses) to sod off! What a prat, he even sent his cronies up the top to kick out Harry and his drum! Well done boys, great game!
I thought that was a brilliant performance today - couldn't decide betweem Eustace, Bennett and Graham for MoM. Shame about the back post goal again, is that 4 in 2 weeks like that?! I would've taken a point beforehand, but felt for the team when the equaliser went in. Demerit was superb and obviously isnt now seeing time out till the world cup. Hopefully we'll get more supporters in for the Plymouth game, and more of us in the Rookery need to tell the Gestapo head steward (most who sit near the front in the Rookery will know this idiot in the glasses) to sod off! What a prat, he even sent his cronies up the top to kick out Harry and his drum! Well done boys, great game! dunstablehorn

7:24pm Mon 5 Apr 10

Only 2 Ross Jenkins says...

We made a Premier League bound West Brom look poor at times.
That elusive bit of luck we deserve will have to come on saturday.
We were so unlucky today. Getting fed up of saying we are unlucky, so would gladly fluke a 1-0 against Plymouth.
I thought Harley was an inspired choice for central midfield, but he let himself and the team down with a stupid sending off.
Demerit was at fault for their goal I think but need to see it again to be sure.
Bennet, Graham were great in particular, but the whole team played so well.
Unlucky lads - let's take this forward to saturday.
We made a Premier League bound West Brom look poor at times. That elusive bit of luck we deserve will have to come on saturday. We were so unlucky today. Getting fed up of saying we are unlucky, so would gladly fluke a 1-0 against Plymouth. I thought Harley was an inspired choice for central midfield, but he let himself and the team down with a stupid sending off. Demerit was at fault for their goal I think but need to see it again to be sure. Bennet, Graham were great in particular, but the whole team played so well. Unlucky lads - let's take this forward to saturday. Only 2 Ross Jenkins

7:46pm Mon 5 Apr 10

WFC4ever says...

Been away over Easter )hope everyone had a Happy one!) time so not on here much.

Sounds like we put in a decent performance at Preston and could have won whilst today was an excellent effect considering the injuries and having Harley sent off.

Just seems we are paying for any minor defensive lapse whilst we score wonder goals!

Its good to bounce back well from the Palace setback but sadly we need points at the moment..

Got to beat Plymouth...be tough as we have so many problems in midfield now.
Been away over Easter )hope everyone had a Happy one!) time so not on here much. Sounds like we put in a decent performance at Preston and could have won whilst today was an excellent effect considering the injuries and having Harley sent off. Just seems we are paying for any minor defensive lapse whilst we score wonder goals! Its good to bounce back well from the Palace setback but sadly we need points at the moment.. Got to beat Plymouth...be tough as we have so many problems in midfield now. WFC4ever

7:47pm Mon 5 Apr 10

Rick Almighty says...

smalon wrote:
I swear we are jinxed!
Anyone else not surprised to see Harley get sent off?
I fancy us to stuff Plymouth on saturday, I think we are due a thumping good win.
Lets see how long it takes Rick Holden (or one of the many other names he is posting under) to come on bleating 'A draw not good enough, get rid of MM, Get rid of Hodson, Graham, Useless blah blah blah...'.
Calm down Smalon, it was just a draw, and one that puts us level on points with Wednesday in the drop zone.

Watford always raise their game against the better teams at home; lets see if we can play like that next Saturday when the pressure is really on.

The brutal fact of the matter is that this team need to develop a winning mentality, something which has been missing all season. Its all very well to label players brave etc, however none of our lads are "winners" and that was evidenced once again by yet another late goal conceded.

Clearly this lack of belief stems from the manager, who is now going to hide behind the growing injury list. When the curtain falls on this season, when we are all able to distance ourselves from near misses and poor officiating, then the root cause of our failure to stay in the championship will become readily apparent.

The decision to appoint MM on a three year deal, without an experienced assistant, is what relegated Watford. I had to laugh at his programme notes, which was nothing more of a defence of his backroom staff. Pathetic.

How this man has remained in a job after a run of results like this is beyond me. Graham Taylor sanctioned this gamble, moreover he refuses to rectify his mistakes, so when relegation becomes a reality i would expect his resignation from the board!

We can talk all we want about the ills of the Simpson era, however, it is this regime that will be responsible for taking the club back into the lower divisions.

As fans, we need to know who the 4 other shorlisted candidates for the managers job were. I strongly suspect there would have been some strong candidates, which would make the appointment of Mackay seem not just a gamble, but a complete dereliction of duty and a betrayal of the fans.

Timperely out! Winter out! Taylor out! Mackay out!
[quote][p][bold]smalon[/bold] wrote: I swear we are jinxed! Anyone else not surprised to see Harley get sent off? I fancy us to stuff Plymouth on saturday, I think we are due a thumping good win. Lets see how long it takes Rick Holden (or one of the many other names he is posting under) to come on bleating 'A draw not good enough, get rid of MM, Get rid of Hodson, Graham, Useless blah blah blah...'.[/p][/quote]Calm down Smalon, it was just a draw, and one that puts us level on points with Wednesday in the drop zone. Watford always raise their game against the better teams at home; lets see if we can play like that next Saturday when the pressure is really on. The brutal fact of the matter is that this team need to develop a winning mentality, something which has been missing all season. Its all very well to label players brave etc, however none of our lads are "winners" and that was evidenced once again by yet another late goal conceded. Clearly this lack of belief stems from the manager, who is now going to hide behind the growing injury list. When the curtain falls on this season, when we are all able to distance ourselves from near misses and poor officiating, then the root cause of our failure to stay in the championship will become readily apparent. The decision to appoint MM on a three year deal, without an experienced assistant, is what relegated Watford. I had to laugh at his programme notes, which was nothing more of a defence of his backroom staff. Pathetic. How this man has remained in a job after a run of results like this is beyond me. Graham Taylor sanctioned this gamble, moreover he refuses to rectify his mistakes, so when relegation becomes a reality i would expect his resignation from the board! We can talk all we want about the ills of the Simpson era, however, it is this regime that will be responsible for taking the club back into the lower divisions. As fans, we need to know who the 4 other shorlisted candidates for the managers job were. I strongly suspect there would have been some strong candidates, which would make the appointment of Mackay seem not just a gamble, but a complete dereliction of duty and a betrayal of the fans. Timperely out! Winter out! Taylor out! Mackay out! Rick Almighty

7:54pm Mon 5 Apr 10

sceptic says...

P-Rick Holden---what a tosser!!
P-Rick Holden---what a tosser!! sceptic

7:59pm Mon 5 Apr 10

Randall94 says...

Tricky P Rick Almighty. Please change the record! We get the message and it is becoming boring.
Tricky P Rick Almighty. Please change the record! We get the message and it is becoming boring. Randall94

8:10pm Mon 5 Apr 10

dunstablehorn says...

Rick, do you really have nothing positive to say on such a good solid Watford performance, against a prem bound team? It must've taken you ages to type all that out, and its all just negative - please book yourself in with the depression specialist next door (if you ever go to the Vic). Rick OUT!!
Rick, do you really have nothing positive to say on such a good solid Watford performance, against a prem bound team? It must've taken you ages to type all that out, and its all just negative - please book yourself in with the depression specialist next door (if you ever go to the Vic). Rick OUT!! dunstablehorn

8:20pm Mon 5 Apr 10

SimonW, Godalming says...

Bennett & Eustace - outstanding perfomances, Harley - you are a let-down & a berk!!
with untold injuries & suspensions it makes you wonder what side we will field against Plymouth, but whatever it is, if the same spirit & determination is exhibited as today then no-one can complain.
To all the people that have slagged off Eustace as being the "worst midfield player they have ever seen", will you now finally give him some credit?, no - thought not, you are also berks!!
Bennett & Eustace - outstanding perfomances, Harley - you are a let-down & a berk!! with untold injuries & suspensions it makes you wonder what side we will field against Plymouth, but whatever it is, if the same spirit & determination is exhibited as today then no-one can complain. To all the people that have slagged off Eustace as being the "worst midfield player they have ever seen", will you now finally give him some credit?, no - thought not, you are also berks!! SimonW, Godalming

8:29pm Mon 5 Apr 10

WFC4ever says...

Rick the arrogrant (you are with a name like "almighty")

Do you have people linked up to come in and takeover the club at board room level?

Why do you think GT chairman now anyway...?

BECAUSE NOBODY ELSE WANTS TO DO IT!

Unless you know otherwise people at the top level won't be going anyway until somebody is kind enough to lend us some money to help the club.

You make yourself look quite dim actually...when actually you'd made some valid points about ON field issues.

Its not like changing manager and players...sack/drop them and somebody else comes in just like that.

I should think the GT cannot wait to get out but he wants to help the club whilst others don't...

Would you rather be left with Lord Ashcroft...a man who has no interest in the club or football in general?
Rick the arrogrant (you are with a name like "almighty") Do you have people linked up to come in and takeover the club at board room level? Why do you think GT chairman now anyway...? BECAUSE NOBODY ELSE WANTS TO DO IT! Unless you know otherwise people at the top level won't be going anyway until somebody is kind enough to lend us some money to help the club. You make yourself look quite dim actually...when actually you'd made some valid points about ON field issues. Its not like changing manager and players...sack/drop them and somebody else comes in just like that. I should think the GT cannot wait to get out but he wants to help the club whilst others don't... Would you rather be left with Lord Ashcroft...a man who has no interest in the club or football in general? WFC4ever

8:32pm Mon 5 Apr 10

Johnjones59 says...

Gutted that we didn't get 3 points, but on Friday I would have been pleased with 2 so well done lads, Shame about cleverley, had a great season and will be missed as the last 5 games are now massive, however whilst you should always field your strongest team on paper, that is not always the case on the field as the last two games have shown, and if you look back to when we were on a good run, the bad run has co-incided with MM playing the strongest " paper team " available so in this case the guts and endeavour shown in the last 2 games may well pay off, an enforced but much needed refreshing of the team.
Gutted that we didn't get 3 points, but on Friday I would have been pleased with 2 so well done lads, Shame about cleverley, had a great season and will be missed as the last 5 games are now massive, however whilst you should always field your strongest team on paper, that is not always the case on the field as the last two games have shown, and if you look back to when we were on a good run, the bad run has co-incided with MM playing the strongest " paper team " available so in this case the guts and endeavour shown in the last 2 games may well pay off, an enforced but much needed refreshing of the team. Johnjones59

8:48pm Mon 5 Apr 10

garston edl says...

Rick - unlike a lot on here i often understand where you're coming from with your views, however, i dont think a post like yours above was really needed this evening!
Good gutsy performance today(not quite as amazing as some are saying!) but full credit to the lads. Dale Bennett was superb. I just hope we can carry it on to Saturday and we don't see a repeat of the Peterboro game, injuries are a concern but thank god Sheff Wed look so poor. I agree with herts hornet with regards to MM now learning that shaking things up and dropping people is what he has to do as a manager. Also agree with Dunstablehorn about the OTT stewarding when DG scored, how would they cope at a club with passionate fans?!
Rick - unlike a lot on here i often understand where you're coming from with your views, however, i dont think a post like yours above was really needed this evening! Good gutsy performance today(not quite as amazing as some are saying!) but full credit to the lads. Dale Bennett was superb. I just hope we can carry it on to Saturday and we don't see a repeat of the Peterboro game, injuries are a concern but thank god Sheff Wed look so poor. I agree with herts hornet with regards to MM now learning that shaking things up and dropping people is what he has to do as a manager. Also agree with Dunstablehorn about the OTT stewarding when DG scored, how would they cope at a club with passionate fans?! garston edl

8:51pm Mon 5 Apr 10

garston edl says...

Forgot to mention WBA were very very poor.
Forgot to mention WBA were very very poor. garston edl

9:26pm Mon 5 Apr 10

Holly68 says...

That's 2 points from last 9 (where we deserved All 9) which would of seen us safe !

WBA were poor, Preston were poor, both had one or two attempts on target, both should of been buried ! Palace were shocking and we should if been 3 up before they scored !

However, Watford are trying Hard ! There is no doubt about that ...

Badly need win next Sat, to me, if we win we stay up, draw and goes to wire, lose and DOWN !
That's 2 points from last 9 (where we deserved All 9) which would of seen us safe ! WBA were poor, Preston were poor, both had one or two attempts on target, both should of been buried ! Palace were shocking and we should if been 3 up before they scored ! However, Watford are trying Hard ! There is no doubt about that ... Badly need win next Sat, to me, if we win we stay up, draw and goes to wire, lose and DOWN ! Holly68

9:38pm Mon 5 Apr 10

Surrey Hornet says...

Unlucky not to get all 3 points after playing so well, but if we were offered a point before the match I would have taken it. If we can win our 2 home games, then maybe get a point or two away then we should probably be safe. I thought Bennett, Eustace and Graham were awesome but we need another performance like that from them and the others on Saturday if we are going to win. (and to 4boys are you still calling Eustace 'useless', he is most certainly not the worst midfielder in this league by a long way.)
Unlucky not to get all 3 points after playing so well, but if we were offered a point before the match I would have taken it. If we can win our 2 home games, then maybe get a point or two away then we should probably be safe. I thought Bennett, Eustace and Graham were awesome but we need another performance like that from them and the others on Saturday if we are going to win. (and to 4boys are you still calling Eustace 'useless', he is most certainly not the worst midfielder in this league by a long way.) Surrey Hornet

9:41pm Mon 5 Apr 10

alexray says...

SimonW, Godalming wrote:
Bennett & Eustace - outstanding perfomances, Harley - you are a let-down & a berk!!
with untold injuries & suspensions it makes you wonder what side we will field against Plymouth, but whatever it is, if the same spirit & determination is exhibited as today then no-one can complain.
To all the people that have slagged off Eustace as being the "worst midfield player they have ever seen", will you now finally give him some credit?, no - thought not, you are also berks!!
Im with you on this one Simon, think Eustace has been brilliant all season, and we'd really really miss him if he want, out of contract over the summer, but hoping he'll resign, My nomination for club captain, Demerit has been good, but not quite with it with the world cup coming up, saying that cracking performance from him today, and all the boys, worries about the injury situation, sorry to see Cleverly stretchered off, he would have been vital. Good Luck mate, and get well soon!
[quote][p][bold]SimonW, Godalming[/bold] wrote: Bennett & Eustace - outstanding perfomances, Harley - you are a let-down & a berk!! with untold injuries & suspensions it makes you wonder what side we will field against Plymouth, but whatever it is, if the same spirit & determination is exhibited as today then no-one can complain. To all the people that have slagged off Eustace as being the "worst midfield player they have ever seen", will you now finally give him some credit?, no - thought not, you are also berks!![/p][/quote]Im with you on this one Simon, think Eustace has been brilliant all season, and we'd really really miss him if he want, out of contract over the summer, but hoping he'll resign, My nomination for club captain, Demerit has been good, but not quite with it with the world cup coming up, saying that cracking performance from him today, and all the boys, worries about the injury situation, sorry to see Cleverly stretchered off, he would have been vital. Good Luck mate, and get well soon! alexray

9:48pm Mon 5 Apr 10

Oxhey Village Hornet says...

Good spirited and determined performance today. We need both those, a slice of luck and to be strong under the growing pressure in the next few weeks. I'm up for it!
Good spirited and determined performance today. We need both those, a slice of luck and to be strong under the growing pressure in the next few weeks. I'm up for it! Oxhey Village Hornet

10:36pm Mon 5 Apr 10

derry pigweed says...

Rick Almighty wrote:
smalon wrote: I swear we are jinxed! Anyone else not surprised to see Harley get sent off? I fancy us to stuff Plymouth on saturday, I think we are due a thumping good win. Lets see how long it takes Rick Holden (or one of the many other names he is posting under) to come on bleating 'A draw not good enough, get rid of MM, Get rid of Hodson, Graham, Useless blah blah blah...'.
Calm down Smalon, it was just a draw, and one that puts us level on points with Wednesday in the drop zone. Watford always raise their game against the better teams at home; lets see if we can play like that next Saturday when the pressure is really on. The brutal fact of the matter is that this team need to develop a winning mentality, something which has been missing all season. Its all very well to label players brave etc, however none of our lads are "winners" and that was evidenced once again by yet another late goal conceded. Clearly this lack of belief stems from the manager, who is now going to hide behind the growing injury list. When the curtain falls on this season, when we are all able to distance ourselves from near misses and poor officiating, then the root cause of our failure to stay in the championship will become readily apparent. The decision to appoint MM on a three year deal, without an experienced assistant, is what relegated Watford. I had to laugh at his programme notes, which was nothing more of a defence of his backroom staff. Pathetic. How this man has remained in a job after a run of results like this is beyond me. Graham Taylor sanctioned this gamble, moreover he refuses to rectify his mistakes, so when relegation becomes a reality i would expect his resignation from the board! We can talk all we want about the ills of the Simpson era, however, it is this regime that will be responsible for taking the club back into the lower divisions. As fans, we need to know who the 4 other shorlisted candidates for the managers job were. I strongly suspect there would have been some strong candidates, which would make the appointment of Mackay seem not just a gamble, but a complete dereliction of duty and a betrayal of the fans. Timperely out! Winter out! Taylor out! Mackay out!
You are a ****!
[quote][p][bold]Rick Almighty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smalon[/bold] wrote: I swear we are jinxed! Anyone else not surprised to see Harley get sent off? I fancy us to stuff Plymouth on saturday, I think we are due a thumping good win. Lets see how long it takes Rick Holden (or one of the many other names he is posting under) to come on bleating 'A draw not good enough, get rid of MM, Get rid of Hodson, Graham, Useless blah blah blah...'.[/p][/quote]Calm down Smalon, it was just a draw, and one that puts us level on points with Wednesday in the drop zone. Watford always raise their game against the better teams at home; lets see if we can play like that next Saturday when the pressure is really on. The brutal fact of the matter is that this team need to develop a winning mentality, something which has been missing all season. Its all very well to label players brave etc, however none of our lads are "winners" and that was evidenced once again by yet another late goal conceded. Clearly this lack of belief stems from the manager, who is now going to hide behind the growing injury list. When the curtain falls on this season, when we are all able to distance ourselves from near misses and poor officiating, then the root cause of our failure to stay in the championship will become readily apparent. The decision to appoint MM on a three year deal, without an experienced assistant, is what relegated Watford. I had to laugh at his programme notes, which was nothing more of a defence of his backroom staff. Pathetic. How this man has remained in a job after a run of results like this is beyond me. Graham Taylor sanctioned this gamble, moreover he refuses to rectify his mistakes, so when relegation becomes a reality i would expect his resignation from the board! We can talk all we want about the ills of the Simpson era, however, it is this regime that will be responsible for taking the club back into the lower divisions. As fans, we need to know who the 4 other shorlisted candidates for the managers job were. I strongly suspect there would have been some strong candidates, which would make the appointment of Mackay seem not just a gamble, but a complete dereliction of duty and a betrayal of the fans. Timperely out! Winter out! Taylor out! Mackay out![/p][/quote]You are a ****! derry pigweed

11:02pm Mon 5 Apr 10

luther blissett says...

1. P.rick, you are a broken record. Please give it a rest.

2. 146 comments on a bad performance, so must have been a good performance. Where have the moaners gone (apart from P.rick, Herts & Garston).

3. Would have taken 2 draws this weekend but gutted we didn't get 2 wins now.

4. Just got feeling we are staying up (if we play like that in each game we will).

5. QPR could be the ones to go down if they lose at the weekend we could be on the same points as them with a game against them.

6. COYH!!!!
1. P.rick, you are a broken record. Please give it a rest. 2. 146 comments on a bad performance, so must have been a good performance. Where have the moaners gone (apart from P.rick, Herts & Garston). 3. Would have taken 2 draws this weekend but gutted we didn't get 2 wins now. 4. Just got feeling we are staying up (if we play like that in each game we will). 5. QPR could be the ones to go down if they lose at the weekend we could be on the same points as them with a game against them. 6. COYH!!!! luther blissett

11:13pm Mon 5 Apr 10

Chris the Vic says...

Would just like Steve Tanner to explain...Harley was sent off for a second yellow for blocking a player...but why didn't Bednar get a second yellow for what what looked like stamping (from the Rookery) and the ref gave the free kick and a lecture but no card. Anyone have a better view?
Would just like Steve Tanner to explain...Harley was sent off for a second yellow for blocking a player...but why didn't Bednar get a second yellow for what what looked like stamping (from the Rookery) and the ref gave the free kick and a lecture but no card. Anyone have a better view? Chris the Vic

11:26pm Mon 5 Apr 10

Surrey Horn says...

derry pigweed wrote:
Rick Almighty wrote:
smalon wrote: I swear we are jinxed! Anyone else not surprised to see Harley get sent off? I fancy us to stuff Plymouth on saturday, I think we are due a thumping good win. Lets see how long it takes Rick Holden (or one of the many other names he is posting under) to come on bleating 'A draw not good enough, get rid of MM, Get rid of Hodson, Graham, Useless blah blah blah...'.
Calm down Smalon, it was just a draw, and one that puts us level on points with Wednesday in the drop zone. Watford always raise their game against the better teams at home; lets see if we can play like that next Saturday when the pressure is really on. The brutal fact of the matter is that this team need to develop a winning mentality, something which has been missing all season. Its all very well to label players brave etc, however none of our lads are "winners" and that was evidenced once again by yet another late goal conceded. Clearly this lack of belief stems from the manager, who is now going to hide behind the growing injury list. When the curtain falls on this season, when we are all able to distance ourselves from near misses and poor officiating, then the root cause of our failure to stay in the championship will become readily apparent. The decision to appoint MM on a three year deal, without an experienced assistant, is what relegated Watford. I had to laugh at his programme notes, which was nothing more of a defence of his backroom staff. Pathetic. How this man has remained in a job after a run of results like this is beyond me. Graham Taylor sanctioned this gamble, moreover he refuses to rectify his mistakes, so when relegation becomes a reality i would expect his resignation from the board! We can talk all we want about the ills of the Simpson era, however, it is this regime that will be responsible for taking the club back into the lower divisions. As fans, we need to know who the 4 other shorlisted candidates for the managers job were. I strongly suspect there would have been some strong candidates, which would make the appointment of Mackay seem not just a gamble, but a complete dereliction of duty and a betrayal of the fans. Timperely out! Winter out! Taylor out! Mackay out!
You are a ****!
It's make sense that Rick has changed his name on here because switching the two words around, it pretty much sums him up..

an Almighty (P)rick.

Get lost Rick and take your poisonous kind of support elsewhere.

Well done to Malky today, despite an ever-increasing injury list and playing with only ten men we were within a whisker of beating West Brom. Keep the faith, we are staying up. COYH's!!!
[quote][p][bold]derry pigweed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rick Almighty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smalon[/bold] wrote: I swear we are jinxed! Anyone else not surprised to see Harley get sent off? I fancy us to stuff Plymouth on saturday, I think we are due a thumping good win. Lets see how long it takes Rick Holden (or one of the many other names he is posting under) to come on bleating 'A draw not good enough, get rid of MM, Get rid of Hodson, Graham, Useless blah blah blah...'.[/p][/quote]Calm down Smalon, it was just a draw, and one that puts us level on points with Wednesday in the drop zone. Watford always raise their game against the better teams at home; lets see if we can play like that next Saturday when the pressure is really on. The brutal fact of the matter is that this team need to develop a winning mentality, something which has been missing all season. Its all very well to label players brave etc, however none of our lads are "winners" and that was evidenced once again by yet another late goal conceded. Clearly this lack of belief stems from the manager, who is now going to hide behind the growing injury list. When the curtain falls on this season, when we are all able to distance ourselves from near misses and poor officiating, then the root cause of our failure to stay in the championship will become readily apparent. The decision to appoint MM on a three year deal, without an experienced assistant, is what relegated Watford. I had to laugh at his programme notes, which was nothing more of a defence of his backroom staff. Pathetic. How this man has remained in a job after a run of results like this is beyond me. Graham Taylor sanctioned this gamble, moreover he refuses to rectify his mistakes, so when relegation becomes a reality i would expect his resignation from the board! We can talk all we want about the ills of the Simpson era, however, it is this regime that will be responsible for taking the club back into the lower divisions. As fans, we need to know who the 4 other shorlisted candidates for the managers job were. I strongly suspect there would have been some strong candidates, which would make the appointment of Mackay seem not just a gamble, but a complete dereliction of duty and a betrayal of the fans. Timperely out! Winter out! Taylor out! Mackay out![/p][/quote]You are a ****![/p][/quote]It's make sense that Rick has changed his name on here because switching the two words around, it pretty much sums him up.. an Almighty (P)rick. Get lost Rick and take your poisonous kind of support elsewhere. Well done to Malky today, despite an ever-increasing injury list and playing with only ten men we were within a whisker of beating West Brom. Keep the faith, we are staying up. COYH's!!! Surrey Horn

11:28pm Mon 5 Apr 10

WFC4L says...

Rick, you hae repeated your message time & time again, and just get abused, so surely tht shows eeryone hates, you, so **** OFF! JUST GET BEHIND THE TEAM! Gutted beyond words, still not got over it, i think well stay up just because if we did go down there would we so many things we could point back to so we must get some luck eventually to een out ALL of the other things. Bricking it for Plymouth.
Rick, you hae repeated your message time & time again, and just get abused, so surely tht shows eeryone hates, you, so **** OFF! JUST GET BEHIND THE TEAM! Gutted beyond words, still not got over it, i think well stay up just because if we did go down there would we so many things we could point back to so we must get some luck eventually to een out ALL of the other things. Bricking it for Plymouth. WFC4L

11:35pm Mon 5 Apr 10

Andrew1963 says...

After doing the BBC predicator i had us surviving with Plymouth and Sheffield Wednesday joining Peterborough in the three relegation spots. I did not have us getting any points from Preston and WBA so while we are two points up on prediction, i would not count any chickens yet. Beating Plymouth and avoiding defeat in the three away games would be enough. (I fancy Reading to do us - just think it was written since last summer). All we need to do is plug away keep the faith and hope teams around us fail to take the points. Sheffield Wednesday lost at home today despite dominating their game. They have a local derby against and they have to play Crystal Palace. We are on a knife edge, but we are in a better place than them.
After doing the BBC predicator i had us surviving with Plymouth and Sheffield Wednesday joining Peterborough in the three relegation spots. I did not have us getting any points from Preston and WBA so while we are two points up on prediction, i would not count any chickens yet. Beating Plymouth and avoiding defeat in the three away games would be enough. (I fancy Reading to do us - just think it was written since last summer). All we need to do is plug away keep the faith and hope teams around us fail to take the points. Sheffield Wednesday lost at home today despite dominating their game. They have a local derby against and they have to play Crystal Palace. We are on a knife edge, but we are in a better place than them. Andrew1963

11:53pm Mon 5 Apr 10

SuperNova says...

The ONE thing we can all agree on is that our season's best player may well have played his last game for us today.

Tom Cleverley is what separates us from still being in with a chance to having none at all. His footballing prowess has been only matched by his desire which sadly today may well have been his undoing.

All the very very best to him.

In a season with more twists than a snakes belly, he's been the one constant source of inspiration despite being a loanee.

I'm sure that he'll soar at Man Utd and England - - and he'll always get a warm welcome from me certainly at the Vic no matter whose shirt he wears (except Luton of course).

Thanks mate.
The ONE thing we can all agree on is that our season's best player may well have played his last game for us today. Tom Cleverley is what separates us from still being in with a chance to having none at all. His footballing prowess has been only matched by his desire which sadly today may well have been his undoing. All the very very best to him. In a season with more twists than a snakes belly, he's been the one constant source of inspiration despite being a loanee. I'm sure that he'll soar at Man Utd and England - - and he'll always get a warm welcome from me certainly at the Vic no matter whose shirt he wears (except Luton of course). Thanks mate. SuperNova

12:08am Tue 6 Apr 10

Hornetboy84 says...

Gutted. You have to just question what we have to do to win a game. Should have been 5 up vs palace before they score. Helguson NOT offside vs Preston for Graham goal. And inspired performance by heroic team undone at end. Bentdner held Demerit.

Cannot hep playing on BBC Predictor.
Even being pessimistic with us getting only 3 more points ... it can be enough. Sheff weds have tough games.

Key is Plymouth for us.... this is a MUST 3 points.... will put us in good stead for QPR game even if we lose to Leicester.... but Plymouth right back in it if they win (they have Peterboro last game)...

Big game for Sheff W. is Sheff U at home a week on Sunday. Hope M'boro beat them and put pressure on.

Final predictions:
QPR 51 pts
WFC 49 pts
SW 49 pts

SW down on GD. !!
Gutted. You have to just question what we have to do to win a game. Should have been 5 up vs palace before they score. Helguson NOT offside vs Preston for Graham goal. And inspired performance by heroic team undone at end. Bentdner held Demerit. Cannot hep playing on BBC Predictor. Even being pessimistic with us getting only 3 more points ... it can be enough. Sheff weds have tough games. Key is Plymouth for us.... this is a MUST 3 points.... will put us in good stead for QPR game even if we lose to Leicester.... but Plymouth right back in it if they win (they have Peterboro last game)... Big game for Sheff W. is Sheff U at home a week on Sunday. Hope M'boro beat them and put pressure on. Final predictions: QPR 51 pts WFC 49 pts SW 49 pts SW down on GD. !! Hornetboy84

7:10am Tue 6 Apr 10

Dr. Oftaw says...

A great effort from everyone at the club against West Brom. Another "should have won" game. Showed great spirit from the players despite 3 injuries and a sending off, we still took the game to a potential premiership team who have been strong all season. Great shame about the last minute equaliser but we have to take encouragement from an excellent performance.

Lets turn the Vic YELLOW on Sat v Plymouth. The club probably cant afford to do much so lets buy our own balloons. bring our own flags and wear the shirt with pride to support the boys in a must win game - A sea of YELLOW YELLOW YELLOW to show our support!!!
A great effort from everyone at the club against West Brom. Another "should have won" game. Showed great spirit from the players despite 3 injuries and a sending off, we still took the game to a potential premiership team who have been strong all season. Great shame about the last minute equaliser but we have to take encouragement from an excellent performance. Lets turn the Vic YELLOW on Sat v Plymouth. The club probably cant afford to do much so lets buy our own balloons. bring our own flags and wear the shirt with pride to support the boys in a must win game - A sea of YELLOW YELLOW YELLOW to show our support!!! Dr. Oftaw

7:44am Tue 6 Apr 10

Richard - Come On You Golden Boys! says...

A superb performance with Dale Bennett & Eustace outstanding and strong committed displays throughout the team. Really deserved the win, but just not getting the breaks at the moment. This must change soon, we need 2 from the remaining 5 games to stay up.

The team are obviously fully committed to Malky and the cause, which should shame the moronic moaners (but I doubt it). Will be a patched up team on Saturday but let's get behind them and see what they can do....
Come on You Golden Boys!
A superb performance with Dale Bennett & Eustace outstanding and strong committed displays throughout the team. Really deserved the win, but just not getting the breaks at the moment. This must change soon, we need 2 from the remaining 5 games to stay up. The team are obviously fully committed to Malky and the cause, which should shame the moronic moaners (but I doubt it). Will be a patched up team on Saturday but let's get behind them and see what they can do.... Come on You Golden Boys! Richard - Come On You Golden Boys!

8:20am Tue 6 Apr 10

mellow yellow says...

I have a sneaky feeling that it's the game on the 20th at Loftus Road that will decide our fate. I love going to Legoland, and the games there are always noteworthy, if not necessarily for footballing reasons... Tommy Smith's first goal, Nicky Wright's superb over-the-shoulder volley from a Chamberlain punt, THAT twice taken penalty and atrocious D'Urso and Styles decisions... and didn't Nigel Gibbs break his leg there too??

Bring it on. Beat them at their place and they are also dragged into it. Sure, Plymouth is massive, but QPR could well seal our fate... either way.

Forever Yellow!
I have a sneaky feeling that it's the game on the 20th at Loftus Road that will decide our fate. I love going to Legoland, and the games there are always noteworthy, if not necessarily for footballing reasons... Tommy Smith's first goal, Nicky Wright's superb over-the-shoulder volley from a Chamberlain punt, THAT twice taken penalty and atrocious D'Urso and Styles decisions... and didn't Nigel Gibbs break his leg there too?? Bring it on. Beat them at their place and they are also dragged into it. Sure, Plymouth is massive, but QPR could well seal our fate... either way. Forever Yellow! mellow yellow

8:48am Tue 6 Apr 10

Dr.Oftaw says...

Dr. Oftaw wrote:
A great effort from everyone at the club against West Brom. Another "should have won" game. Showed great spirit from the players despite 3 injuries and a sending off, we still took the game to a potential premiership team who have been strong all season. Great shame about the last minute equaliser but we have to take encouragement from an excellent performance. Lets turn the Vic YELLOW on Sat v Plymouth. The club probably cant afford to do much so lets buy our own balloons. bring our own flags and wear the shirt with pride to support the boys in a must win game - A sea of YELLOW YELLOW YELLOW to show our support!!!
imposter change your name!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Dr. Oftaw[/bold] wrote: A great effort from everyone at the club against West Brom. Another "should have won" game. Showed great spirit from the players despite 3 injuries and a sending off, we still took the game to a potential premiership team who have been strong all season. Great shame about the last minute equaliser but we have to take encouragement from an excellent performance. Lets turn the Vic YELLOW on Sat v Plymouth. The club probably cant afford to do much so lets buy our own balloons. bring our own flags and wear the shirt with pride to support the boys in a must win game - A sea of YELLOW YELLOW YELLOW to show our support!!![/p][/quote]imposter change your name!!!!! Dr.Oftaw

9:42am Tue 6 Apr 10

Larrythe Loafer 'Orn says...

Monday saw the Hornets we all want to watch playing - hustling, pace, making runs and working so so hard for each other. Dale was awesome and so was John Eustace but Danny Graham was everywhere. Brilliant.
The whole team did really well and there certainly didn't look 19 places between the two sides and a neutral could well have identified the Baggies pas playing in yellow if their positions were relative to their play.

Two constructive questions though.
1. Why don't we use the substitutes more often - although forced yesterday they paid off in trumps, and
2. Malky and Sean D were both defenders - why do we play so deep and let sides control the midfield so that every clearance comes right back at us? I sit right on the line of the penalty box in the UR and continually watch one of the back four (normally AM) drop back and play their man onside and then we sit back when the ball goes forward allowing them room to play.

Big game against Plymouth - we will get the three points and then CP will beat Sheffield Wed and we beat QPR and Coventry and everyone wonders what that was all about.

Malky has the players and fans behind him so can the 'odd' moaners on here drop it. Give him three years in the job with no cash and lets see what he does with the youngsters coming though because that is where our future has to lay. C'mon you 'Orns
Monday saw the Hornets we all want to watch playing - hustling, pace, making runs and working so so hard for each other. Dale was awesome and so was John Eustace but Danny Graham was everywhere. Brilliant. The whole team did really well and there certainly didn't look 19 places between the two sides and a neutral could well have identified the Baggies pas playing in yellow if their positions were relative to their play. Two constructive questions though. 1. Why don't we use the substitutes more often - although forced yesterday they paid off in trumps, and 2. Malky and Sean D were both defenders - why do we play so deep and let sides control the midfield so that every clearance comes right back at us? I sit right on the line of the penalty box in the UR and continually watch one of the back four (normally AM) drop back and play their man onside and then we sit back when the ball goes forward allowing them room to play. Big game against Plymouth - we will get the three points and then CP will beat Sheffield Wed and we beat QPR and Coventry and everyone wonders what that was all about. Malky has the players and fans behind him so can the 'odd' moaners on here drop it. Give him three years in the job with no cash and lets see what he does with the youngsters coming though because that is where our future has to lay. C'mon you 'Orns Larrythe Loafer 'Orn

10:17am Tue 6 Apr 10

a1derek says...

Very good performance yesterday and a generally entertaining game. Dale Bennett was immense, why has he not been played before especially with JDM being so badly off form, although he did perform well when called upon yesterday.
Plaudits too for Danny Graham and John Eustace, and also Will Buckly who if he can cut out the silly mistakes looks a great prospect, hope he is OK for Saturday.
Surely if we had performed at this level since Xmas we would not be in the mess we are in! Why does it have to backs against the wall before we perform?
However, let's enjoy a well earned point against a good team that we made look ordinary!
Sadly I don't think we'll see Tom Cleverly again this season, which is a real shame, he's been a shinning light this season. I feel sure he will go on to do great things, thanks for being here and really fighting for the cause...you are a star.
As for John Harley - what a t**t. He is an accident waiting to happen. He'd totally lost concentration and had messed up his previous three touches, and as soon as he pulled their guy back, left the ref no option. What goes through his pea sized brain as he flies around the pitch constantly diving in and committing foul after foul. The rest of the team dug him out of a hole today! Didn't see the Bednar incident though.
So, we move on to Plymouth and agree it's must win. However, if we play like we did yesterday no matter what team we put out, we will win.
Security word "less-poor" :>)
Very good performance yesterday and a generally entertaining game. Dale Bennett was immense, why has he not been played before especially with JDM being so badly off form, although he did perform well when called upon yesterday. Plaudits too for Danny Graham and John Eustace, and also Will Buckly who if he can cut out the silly mistakes looks a great prospect, hope he is OK for Saturday. Surely if we had performed at this level since Xmas we would not be in the mess we are in! Why does it have to backs against the wall before we perform? However, let's enjoy a well earned point against a good team that we made look ordinary! Sadly I don't think we'll see Tom Cleverly again this season, which is a real shame, he's been a shinning light this season. I feel sure he will go on to do great things, thanks for being here and really fighting for the cause...you are a star. As for John Harley - what a t**t. He is an accident waiting to happen. He'd totally lost concentration and had messed up his previous three touches, and as soon as he pulled their guy back, left the ref no option. What goes through his pea sized brain as he flies around the pitch constantly diving in and committing foul after foul. The rest of the team dug him out of a hole today! Didn't see the Bednar incident though. So, we move on to Plymouth and agree it's must win. However, if we play like we did yesterday no matter what team we put out, we will win. Security word "less-poor" :>) a1derek

10:31am Tue 6 Apr 10

Sir Les Taylor says...

Wakey wakey! We now find ourselves even closer to relegation than on Good Friday!

Given the position we find ourselves in, two points from six was not good enough.

With Plymouth on a good run, there are now two relegation places for us to fill, rather than just the one.

It's going to get desperate!
Wakey wakey! We now find ourselves even closer to relegation than on Good Friday! Given the position we find ourselves in, two points from six was not good enough. With Plymouth on a good run, there are now two relegation places for us to fill, rather than just the one. It's going to get desperate! Sir Les Taylor

11:02am Tue 6 Apr 10

rookery boy says...

I think it could have been a lot worse,over the easter period,but it could have been a bit better also!!
Scunthorpe,QPR,Sheff Wed and Plymouth all lost yesterday....thats not too bad!!!
Lets not just think about what Palace and Sheff Wed do,I think Scunthorpe have the hardest games out of everyone!
Win against Plymouth,then its probably just one relegation place to worry about!
We must get something out of our game in hand!!
There are some more twists and turns yet!!
I think it could have been a lot worse,over the easter period,but it could have been a bit better also!! Scunthorpe,QPR,Sheff Wed and Plymouth all lost yesterday....thats not too bad!!! Lets not just think about what Palace and Sheff Wed do,I think Scunthorpe have the hardest games out of everyone! Win against Plymouth,then its probably just one relegation place to worry about! We must get something out of our game in hand!! There are some more twists and turns yet!! rookery boy

11:56am Tue 6 Apr 10

SAHornet says...

SuperNova wrote:
The ONE thing we can all agree on is that our season's best player may well have played his last game for us today. Tom Cleverley is what separates us from still being in with a chance to having none at all. His footballing prowess has been only matched by his desire which sadly today may well have been his undoing. All the very very best to him. In a season with more twists than a snakes belly, he's been the one constant source of inspiration despite being a loanee. I'm sure that he'll soar at Man Utd and England - - and he'll always get a warm welcome from me certainly at the Vic no matter whose shirt he wears (except Luton of course). Thanks mate.
Well said....thoroughly agree. Will someone please tell me what the f*%k COYH means, please.
[quote][p][bold]SuperNova[/bold] wrote: The ONE thing we can all agree on is that our season's best player may well have played his last game for us today. Tom Cleverley is what separates us from still being in with a chance to having none at all. His footballing prowess has been only matched by his desire which sadly today may well have been his undoing. All the very very best to him. In a season with more twists than a snakes belly, he's been the one constant source of inspiration despite being a loanee. I'm sure that he'll soar at Man Utd and England - - and he'll always get a warm welcome from me certainly at the Vic no matter whose shirt he wears (except Luton of course). Thanks mate.[/p][/quote]Well said....thoroughly agree. Will someone please tell me what the f*%k COYH means, please. SAHornet

12:05pm Tue 6 Apr 10

herts hornet says...

SAHornet wrote:
SuperNova wrote: The ONE thing we can all agree on is that our season's best player may well have played his last game for us today. Tom Cleverley is what separates us from still being in with a chance to having none at all. His footballing prowess has been only matched by his desire which sadly today may well have been his undoing. All the very very best to him. In a season with more twists than a snakes belly, he's been the one constant source of inspiration despite being a loanee. I'm sure that he'll soar at Man Utd and England - - and he'll always get a warm welcome from me certainly at the Vic no matter whose shirt he wears (except Luton of course). Thanks mate.
Well said....thoroughly agree. Will someone please tell me what the f*%k COYH means, please.
I beleive COYH means Come On You
Horns ,hope helps !
[quote][p][bold]SAHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SuperNova[/bold] wrote: The ONE thing we can all agree on is that our season's best player may well have played his last game for us today. Tom Cleverley is what separates us from still being in with a chance to having none at all. His footballing prowess has been only matched by his desire which sadly today may well have been his undoing. All the very very best to him. In a season with more twists than a snakes belly, he's been the one constant source of inspiration despite being a loanee. I'm sure that he'll soar at Man Utd and England - - and he'll always get a warm welcome from me certainly at the Vic no matter whose shirt he wears (except Luton of course). Thanks mate.[/p][/quote]Well said....thoroughly agree. Will someone please tell me what the f*%k COYH means, please.[/p][/quote]I beleive COYH means Come On You Horns ,hope helps ! herts hornet

2:21pm Tue 6 Apr 10

Prof Plum says...

Any news on any of the injuries? I don't hold out any hope of seeing Cleverly again, but it would be a blow to be without Doyley and Buckley for the run in

Plymouth will be no pushover.
Any news on any of the injuries? I don't hold out any hope of seeing Cleverly again, but it would be a blow to be without Doyley and Buckley for the run in Plymouth will be no pushover. Prof Plum

2:35pm Tue 6 Apr 10

ab11uk says...

good god, the clappers must know we are rubbish. i have never seen so many wet their pants over a draw.
lets face it. peterborough have just got our last hope of staying up.

all bad results from now on will be blamed on injuries and how we have no money to get players in.

good to see noble being used to the full.
good god, the clappers must know we are rubbish. i have never seen so many wet their pants over a draw. lets face it. peterborough have just got our last hope of staying up. all bad results from now on will be blamed on injuries and how we have no money to get players in. good to see noble being used to the full. ab11uk

2:53pm Tue 6 Apr 10

Dr.Oftaw says...

SAHornet wrote:
SuperNova wrote: The ONE thing we can all agree on is that our season's best player may well have played his last game for us today. Tom Cleverley is what separates us from still being in with a chance to having none at all. His footballing prowess has been only matched by his desire which sadly today may well have been his undoing. All the very very best to him. In a season with more twists than a snakes belly, he's been the one constant source of inspiration despite being a loanee. I'm sure that he'll soar at Man Utd and England - - and he'll always get a warm welcome from me certainly at the Vic no matter whose shirt he wears (except Luton of course). Thanks mate.
Well said....thoroughly agree. Will someone please tell me what the f*%k COYH means, please.
its a chant used by watford fans which of course you would not know!
[quote][p][bold]SAHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SuperNova[/bold] wrote: The ONE thing we can all agree on is that our season's best player may well have played his last game for us today. Tom Cleverley is what separates us from still being in with a chance to having none at all. His footballing prowess has been only matched by his desire which sadly today may well have been his undoing. All the very very best to him. In a season with more twists than a snakes belly, he's been the one constant source of inspiration despite being a loanee. I'm sure that he'll soar at Man Utd and England - - and he'll always get a warm welcome from me certainly at the Vic no matter whose shirt he wears (except Luton of course). Thanks mate.[/p][/quote]Well said....thoroughly agree. Will someone please tell me what the f*%k COYH means, please.[/p][/quote]its a chant used by watford fans which of course you would not know! Dr.Oftaw

3:01pm Tue 6 Apr 10

fairwater says...

Sir Les Taylor wrote:
Wakey wakey! We now find ourselves even closer to relegation than on Good Friday! Given the position we find ourselves in, two points from six was not good enough. With Plymouth on a good run, there are now two relegation places for us to fill, rather than just the one. It's going to get desperate!
What good run is this of Plymouth pal? Check their last 13 results and get your facts right!
[quote][p][bold]Sir Les Taylor[/bold] wrote: Wakey wakey! We now find ourselves even closer to relegation than on Good Friday! Given the position we find ourselves in, two points from six was not good enough. With Plymouth on a good run, there are now two relegation places for us to fill, rather than just the one. It's going to get desperate![/p][/quote]What good run is this of Plymouth pal? Check their last 13 results and get your facts right! fairwater

3:05pm Tue 6 Apr 10

SAHornet says...

Dr.Oftaw wrote:
SAHornet wrote:
SuperNova wrote: The ONE thing we can all agree on is that our season's best player may well have played his last game for us today. Tom Cleverley is what separates us from still being in with a chance to having none at all. His footballing prowess has been only matched by his desire which sadly today may well have been his undoing. All the very very best to him. In a season with more twists than a snakes belly, he's been the one constant source of inspiration despite being a loanee. I'm sure that he'll soar at Man Utd and England - - and he'll always get a warm welcome from me certainly at the Vic no matter whose shirt he wears (except Luton of course). Thanks mate.
Well said....thoroughly agree. Will someone please tell me what the f*%k COYH means, please.
its a chant used by watford fans which of course you would not know!
And a very good afternoon to you. Ever thought of going for charm lessons? Have a nice day.
[quote][p][bold]Dr.Oftaw[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SuperNova[/bold] wrote: The ONE thing we can all agree on is that our season's best player may well have played his last game for us today. Tom Cleverley is what separates us from still being in with a chance to having none at all. His footballing prowess has been only matched by his desire which sadly today may well have been his undoing. All the very very best to him. In a season with more twists than a snakes belly, he's been the one constant source of inspiration despite being a loanee. I'm sure that he'll soar at Man Utd and England - - and he'll always get a warm welcome from me certainly at the Vic no matter whose shirt he wears (except Luton of course). Thanks mate.[/p][/quote]Well said....thoroughly agree. Will someone please tell me what the f*%k COYH means, please.[/p][/quote]its a chant used by watford fans which of course you would not know![/p][/quote]And a very good afternoon to you. Ever thought of going for charm lessons? Have a nice day. SAHornet

3:07pm Tue 6 Apr 10

SAHornet says...

herts hornet wrote:
SAHornet wrote:
SuperNova wrote: The ONE thing we can all agree on is that our season's best player may well have played his last game for us today. Tom Cleverley is what separates us from still being in with a chance to having none at all. His footballing prowess has been only matched by his desire which sadly today may well have been his undoing. All the very very best to him. In a season with more twists than a snakes belly, he's been the one constant source of inspiration despite being a loanee. I'm sure that he'll soar at Man Utd and England - - and he'll always get a warm welcome from me certainly at the Vic no matter whose shirt he wears (except Luton of course). Thanks mate.
Well said....thoroughly agree. Will someone please tell me what the f*%k COYH means, please.
I beleive COYH means Come On You Horns ,hope helps !
Yes, thanks for that
[quote][p][bold]herts hornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SuperNova[/bold] wrote: The ONE thing we can all agree on is that our season's best player may well have played his last game for us today. Tom Cleverley is what separates us from still being in with a chance to having none at all. His footballing prowess has been only matched by his desire which sadly today may well have been his undoing. All the very very best to him. In a season with more twists than a snakes belly, he's been the one constant source of inspiration despite being a loanee. I'm sure that he'll soar at Man Utd and England - - and he'll always get a warm welcome from me certainly at the Vic no matter whose shirt he wears (except Luton of course). Thanks mate.[/p][/quote]Well said....thoroughly agree. Will someone please tell me what the f*%k COYH means, please.[/p][/quote]I beleive COYH means Come On You Horns ,hope helps ![/p][/quote]Yes, thanks for that SAHornet

3:09pm Tue 6 Apr 10

fairwater says...

rookery boy wrote:
I think it could have been a lot worse,over the easter period,but it could have been a bit better also!! Scunthorpe,QPR,Sheff Wed and Plymouth all lost yesterday....thats not too bad!!! Lets not just think about what Palace and Sheff Wed do,I think Scunthorpe have the hardest games out of everyone! Win against Plymouth,then its probably just one relegation place to worry about! We must get something out of our game in hand!! There are some more twists and turns yet!!
Scunny have some tough fixtures, but our best hope is undoubtedly Sheff-Wed.
Their last four games are Midd'boro (A), Sheff-Utd (H), Cardiff (A), and Palace (H).
I cannot see them picking up many points from that lot! And our goal difference is far superior.
A win over Plymouth on Sat might be all we need, but an extra couple of points from QPR, Reading and Coventry would do very nicely.
[quote][p][bold]rookery boy[/bold] wrote: I think it could have been a lot worse,over the easter period,but it could have been a bit better also!! Scunthorpe,QPR,Sheff Wed and Plymouth all lost yesterday....thats not too bad!!! Lets not just think about what Palace and Sheff Wed do,I think Scunthorpe have the hardest games out of everyone! Win against Plymouth,then its probably just one relegation place to worry about! We must get something out of our game in hand!! There are some more twists and turns yet!![/p][/quote]Scunny have some tough fixtures, but our best hope is undoubtedly Sheff-Wed. Their last four games are Midd'boro (A), Sheff-Utd (H), Cardiff (A), and Palace (H). I cannot see them picking up many points from that lot! And our goal difference is far superior. A win over Plymouth on Sat might be all we need, but an extra couple of points from QPR, Reading and Coventry would do very nicely. fairwater

3:20pm Tue 6 Apr 10

worthing_hornet says...

Well done to the board and the press machine, everyone believes Sven was here to watch that Ivory coast player, when actually he was here for an interview. One ex england manager on the board and another managing us, what can go wrong!! - oh hang on i've dropped my geritol.

Best of luck to Tom, hope it's not a career ending injury and the doom mongers in the press are suggesting.
Well done to the board and the press machine, everyone believes Sven was here to watch that Ivory coast player, when actually he was here for an interview. One ex england manager on the board and another managing us, what can go wrong!! - oh hang on i've dropped my geritol. Best of luck to Tom, hope it's not a career ending injury and the doom mongers in the press are suggesting. worthing_hornet

3:49pm Tue 6 Apr 10

WFC4ever says...

ab11uk wrote:
good god, the clappers must know we are rubbish. i have never seen so many wet their pants over a draw. lets face it. peterborough have just got our last hope of staying up. all bad results from now on will be blamed on injuries and how we have no money to get players in. good to see noble being used to the full.
I know what you mean..

We should all be jumping off the nearest bridge after only getting a draw against a side in form going for promotion and who hammered us 5-0 earlier in the season when we weren't in such a poor state ourselves unlike now.

I suspect most were just very surprised to see us give the Baggies a decent game and gives them hope for future games (maybe false hope but who knows!)
[quote][p][bold]ab11uk[/bold] wrote: good god, the clappers must know we are rubbish. i have never seen so many wet their pants over a draw. lets face it. peterborough have just got our last hope of staying up. all bad results from now on will be blamed on injuries and how we have no money to get players in. good to see noble being used to the full.[/p][/quote]I know what you mean.. We should all be jumping off the nearest bridge after only getting a draw against a side in form going for promotion and who hammered us 5-0 earlier in the season when we weren't in such a poor state ourselves unlike now. I suspect most were just very surprised to see us give the Baggies a decent game and gives them hope for future games (maybe false hope but who knows!) WFC4ever

4:11pm Tue 6 Apr 10

Sir Les Taylor says...

fairwater wrote:
Sir Les Taylor wrote: Wakey wakey! We now find ourselves even closer to relegation than on Good Friday! Given the position we find ourselves in, two points from six was not good enough. With Plymouth on a good run, there are now two relegation places for us to fill, rather than just the one. It's going to get desperate!
What good run is this of Plymouth pal? Check their last 13 results and get your facts right!
Take a look pal!

Watford - Played 29 / 38Pts
Plymouth - Played 28 / 24Pts


Watford - Played 41 / 45Pts
Plymouth - Played 42 / 41Pts


I know the Space Shuttle is nearing its end, but the above is not rocket science!!
[quote][p][bold]fairwater[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sir Les Taylor[/bold] wrote: Wakey wakey! We now find ourselves even closer to relegation than on Good Friday! Given the position we find ourselves in, two points from six was not good enough. With Plymouth on a good run, there are now two relegation places for us to fill, rather than just the one. It's going to get desperate![/p][/quote]What good run is this of Plymouth pal? Check their last 13 results and get your facts right![/p][/quote]Take a look pal! Watford - Played 29 / 38Pts Plymouth - Played 28 / 24Pts Watford - Played 41 / 45Pts Plymouth - Played 42 / 41Pts I know the Space Shuttle is nearing its end, but the above is not rocket science!! Sir Les Taylor

4:12pm Tue 6 Apr 10

fairwater says...

WFC4ever wrote:
ab11uk wrote: good god, the clappers must know we are rubbish. i have never seen so many wet their pants over a draw. lets face it. peterborough have just got our last hope of staying up. all bad results from now on will be blamed on injuries and how we have no money to get players in. good to see noble being used to the full.
I know what you mean.. We should all be jumping off the nearest bridge after only getting a draw against a side in form going for promotion and who hammered us 5-0 earlier in the season when we weren't in such a poor state ourselves unlike now. I suspect most were just very surprised to see us give the Baggies a decent game and gives them hope for future games (maybe false hope but who knows!)
Well said WFC4ever.
Ab11uk always talks a load of crap.
Why do non-supporters like him bother us true fans on this form!
[quote][p][bold]WFC4ever[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ab11uk[/bold] wrote: good god, the clappers must know we are rubbish. i have never seen so many wet their pants over a draw. lets face it. peterborough have just got our last hope of staying up. all bad results from now on will be blamed on injuries and how we have no money to get players in. good to see noble being used to the full.[/p][/quote]I know what you mean.. We should all be jumping off the nearest bridge after only getting a draw against a side in form going for promotion and who hammered us 5-0 earlier in the season when we weren't in such a poor state ourselves unlike now. I suspect most were just very surprised to see us give the Baggies a decent game and gives them hope for future games (maybe false hope but who knows!)[/p][/quote]Well said WFC4ever. Ab11uk always talks a load of crap. Why do non-supporters like him bother us true fans on this form! fairwater

4:19pm Tue 6 Apr 10

fairwater says...

Sir Les Taylor wrote:
fairwater wrote:
Sir Les Taylor wrote: Wakey wakey! We now find ourselves even closer to relegation than on Good Friday! Given the position we find ourselves in, two points from six was not good enough. With Plymouth on a good run, there are now two relegation places for us to fill, rather than just the one. It's going to get desperate!
What good run is this of Plymouth pal? Check their last 13 results and get your facts right!
Take a look pal! Watford - Played 29 / 38Pts Plymouth - Played 28 / 24Pts Watford - Played 41 / 45Pts Plymouth - Played 42 / 41Pts I know the Space Shuttle is nearing its end, but the above is not rocket science!!
When does this so-called good run start then pal?
As you say:
Watford played 41 = 45 points.
Plymouth plyd 42 = 41 points.
Say no more!!
As I said earlier, take a look at their last 13 games for your so-called "good run", and this will be even worse after Saturday!
[quote][p][bold]Sir Les Taylor[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fairwater[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sir Les Taylor[/bold] wrote: Wakey wakey! We now find ourselves even closer to relegation than on Good Friday! Given the position we find ourselves in, two points from six was not good enough. With Plymouth on a good run, there are now two relegation places for us to fill, rather than just the one. It's going to get desperate![/p][/quote]What good run is this of Plymouth pal? Check their last 13 results and get your facts right![/p][/quote]Take a look pal! Watford - Played 29 / 38Pts Plymouth - Played 28 / 24Pts Watford - Played 41 / 45Pts Plymouth - Played 42 / 41Pts I know the Space Shuttle is nearing its end, but the above is not rocket science!![/p][/quote]When does this so-called good run start then pal? As you say: Watford played 41 = 45 points. Plymouth plyd 42 = 41 points. Say no more!! As I said earlier, take a look at their last 13 games for your so-called "good run", and this will be even worse after Saturday! fairwater

4:25pm Tue 6 Apr 10

ab11uk says...

Ah Fair water your maths is appalling and your knowledge is worse than plum.

Was it you who picked up my season ticket after palace? if so you can keep it until the rot from scot goes
Ah Fair water your maths is appalling and your knowledge is worse than plum. Was it you who picked up my season ticket after palace? if so you can keep it until the rot from scot goes ab11uk

4:33pm Tue 6 Apr 10

fairwater says...

ab11uk wrote:
Ah Fair water your maths is appalling and your knowledge is worse than plum. Was it you who picked up my season ticket after palace? if so you can keep it until the rot from scot goes
Give me the Prof any day, he talks a lot of sense!
It is so-called fans like you who throw their season tickets away that we can do without!
[quote][p][bold]ab11uk[/bold] wrote: Ah Fair water your maths is appalling and your knowledge is worse than plum. Was it you who picked up my season ticket after palace? if so you can keep it until the rot from scot goes[/p][/quote]Give me the Prof any day, he talks a lot of sense! It is so-called fans like you who throw their season tickets away that we can do without! fairwater

4:33pm Tue 6 Apr 10

Sir Les Taylor says...

fairwater wrote:
Sir Les Taylor wrote:
fairwater wrote:
Sir Les Taylor wrote: Wakey wakey! We now find ourselves even closer to relegation than on Good Friday! Given the position we find ourselves in, two points from six was not good enough. With Plymouth on a good run, there are now two relegation places for us to fill, rather than just the one. It's going to get desperate!
What good run is this of Plymouth pal? Check their last 13 results and get your facts right!
Take a look pal! Watford - Played 29 / 38Pts Plymouth - Played 28 / 24Pts Watford - Played 41 / 45Pts Plymouth - Played 42 / 41Pts I know the Space Shuttle is nearing its end, but the above is not rocket science!!
When does this so-called good run start then pal? As you say: Watford played 41 = 45 points. Plymouth plyd 42 = 41 points. Say no more!! As I said earlier, take a look at their last 13 games for your so-called "good run", and this will be even worse after Saturday!
Deary me!

In the last 13 games / 7 games or even the last 4 games, Plymouth have collected more points than Watford and now have us in their sights!!

Which bit don't you understand?
[quote][p][bold]fairwater[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sir Les Taylor[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fairwater[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sir Les Taylor[/bold] wrote: Wakey wakey! We now find ourselves even closer to relegation than on Good Friday! Given the position we find ourselves in, two points from six was not good enough. With Plymouth on a good run, there are now two relegation places for us to fill, rather than just the one. It's going to get desperate![/p][/quote]What good run is this of Plymouth pal? Check their last 13 results and get your facts right![/p][/quote]Take a look pal! Watford - Played 29 / 38Pts Plymouth - Played 28 / 24Pts Watford - Played 41 / 45Pts Plymouth - Played 42 / 41Pts I know the Space Shuttle is nearing its end, but the above is not rocket science!![/p][/quote]When does this so-called good run start then pal? As you say: Watford played 41 = 45 points. Plymouth plyd 42 = 41 points. Say no more!! As I said earlier, take a look at their last 13 games for your so-called "good run", and this will be even worse after Saturday![/p][/quote]Deary me! In the last 13 games / 7 games or even the last 4 games, Plymouth have collected more points than Watford and now have us in their sights!! Which bit don't you understand? Sir Les Taylor

4:41pm Tue 6 Apr 10

SimonW, Godalming says...

ab11uk wrote:
good god, the clappers must know we are rubbish. i have never seen so many wet their pants over a draw. lets face it. peterborough have just got our last hope of staying up. all bad results from now on will be blamed on injuries and how we have no money to get players in. good to see noble being used to the full.
why are you constantly banging on about Gary Johnson?, you obviously have'nt seen the remarkable improvement Bristol City have made since they got rid of him!
do agree about Noble though, however it is highly likely we will get to see him on Saturday! (unless he has gone back by then)
[quote][p][bold]ab11uk[/bold] wrote: good god, the clappers must know we are rubbish. i have never seen so many wet their pants over a draw. lets face it. peterborough have just got our last hope of staying up. all bad results from now on will be blamed on injuries and how we have no money to get players in. good to see noble being used to the full.[/p][/quote]why are you constantly banging on about Gary Johnson?, you obviously have'nt seen the remarkable improvement Bristol City have made since they got rid of him! do agree about Noble though, however it is highly likely we will get to see him on Saturday! (unless he has gone back by then) SimonW, Godalming

4:50pm Tue 6 Apr 10

fairwater says...

Sir Les Taylor wrote:
fairwater wrote:
Sir Les Taylor wrote:
fairwater wrote:
Sir Les Taylor wrote: Wakey wakey! We now find ourselves even closer to relegation than on Good Friday! Given the position we find ourselves in, two points from six was not good enough. With Plymouth on a good run, there are now two relegation places for us to fill, rather than just the one. It's going to get desperate!
What good run is this of Plymouth pal? Check their last 13 results and get your facts right!
Take a look pal! Watford - Played 29 / 38Pts Plymouth - Played 28 / 24Pts Watford - Played 41 / 45Pts Plymouth - Played 42 / 41Pts I know the Space Shuttle is nearing its end, but the above is not rocket science!!
When does this so-called good run start then pal? As you say: Watford played 41 = 45 points. Plymouth plyd 42 = 41 points. Say no more!! As I said earlier, take a look at their last 13 games for your so-called "good run", and this will be even worse after Saturday!
Deary me! In the last 13 games / 7 games or even the last 4 games, Plymouth have collected more points than Watford and now have us in their sights!! Which bit don't you understand?
Whose position would you rather be in pal?
Plymouth are four points behind us, have played a game more, and they have a worse goal-difference.
This will be weakened even further after Saturday!
They only have 4 games left, and two of them are aginst Forest and Newcastle!
"Green Army". I bet those Devonians wish they were in our position!
Why not start supporting WFC instead of always being so negative!
COYH.
[quote][p][bold]Sir Les Taylor[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fairwater[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sir Les Taylor[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fairwater[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sir Les Taylor[/bold] wrote: Wakey wakey! We now find ourselves even closer to relegation than on Good Friday! Given the position we find ourselves in, two points from six was not good enough. With Plymouth on a good run, there are now two relegation places for us to fill, rather than just the one. It's going to get desperate![/p][/quote]What good run is this of Plymouth pal? Check their last 13 results and get your facts right![/p][/quote]Take a look pal! Watford - Played 29 / 38Pts Plymouth - Played 28 / 24Pts Watford - Played 41 / 45Pts Plymouth - Played 42 / 41Pts I know the Space Shuttle is nearing its end, but the above is not rocket science!![/p][/quote]When does this so-called good run start then pal? As you say: Watford played 41 = 45 points. Plymouth plyd 42 = 41 points. Say no more!! As I said earlier, take a look at their last 13 games for your so-called "good run", and this will be even worse after Saturday![/p][/quote]Deary me! In the last 13 games / 7 games or even the last 4 games, Plymouth have collected more points than Watford and now have us in their sights!! Which bit don't you understand?[/p][/quote]Whose position would you rather be in pal? Plymouth are four points behind us, have played a game more, and they have a worse goal-difference. This will be weakened even further after Saturday! They only have 4 games left, and two of them are aginst Forest and Newcastle! "Green Army". I bet those Devonians wish they were in our position! Why not start supporting WFC instead of always being so negative! COYH. fairwater

4:55pm Tue 6 Apr 10

WFC4ever says...

fairwater wrote:
WFC4ever wrote:
ab11uk wrote: good god, the clappers must know we are rubbish. i have never seen so many wet their pants over a draw. lets face it. peterborough have just got our last hope of staying up. all bad results from now on will be blamed on injuries and how we have no money to get players in. good to see noble being used to the full.
I know what you mean.. We should all be jumping off the nearest bridge after only getting a draw against a side in form going for promotion and who hammered us 5-0 earlier in the season when we weren't in such a poor state ourselves unlike now. I suspect most were just very surprised to see us give the Baggies a decent game and gives them hope for future games (maybe false hope but who knows!)
Well said WFC4ever. Ab11uk always talks a load of crap. Why do non-supporters like him bother us true fans on this form!
I have no problem with him complaining and having his own views about various recent "performances" and as with everyone he makes some good points.

But I felt he was being a bit harsh to call people "happy clappers" because they felt a point and performance against WBA was something worthy of being encouraged by.

Had we lost 4-0 or something and we'd all be going "what a good display etc" then yes he'd have a point.

Sadly I feel the reason for a lack of atmosphere at the Vic is due to the lack of respect for fellow fans from others...
[quote][p][bold]fairwater[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WFC4ever[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ab11uk[/bold] wrote: good god, the clappers must know we are rubbish. i have never seen so many wet their pants over a draw. lets face it. peterborough have just got our last hope of staying up. all bad results from now on will be blamed on injuries and how we have no money to get players in. good to see noble being used to the full.[/p][/quote]I know what you mean.. We should all be jumping off the nearest bridge after only getting a draw against a side in form going for promotion and who hammered us 5-0 earlier in the season when we weren't in such a poor state ourselves unlike now. I suspect most were just very surprised to see us give the Baggies a decent game and gives them hope for future games (maybe false hope but who knows!)[/p][/quote]Well said WFC4ever. Ab11uk always talks a load of crap. Why do non-supporters like him bother us true fans on this form![/p][/quote]I have no problem with him complaining and having his own views about various recent "performances" and as with everyone he makes some good points. But I felt he was being a bit harsh to call people "happy clappers" because they felt a point and performance against WBA was something worthy of being encouraged by. Had we lost 4-0 or something and we'd all be going "what a good display etc" then yes he'd have a point. Sadly I feel the reason for a lack of atmosphere at the Vic is due to the lack of respect for fellow fans from others... WFC4ever

5:00pm Tue 6 Apr 10

Sir Les Taylor says...

fairwater:

I would rather be in a postion of safety or on a good run! i.e scoring more points than those around you.

Negative.... is that not MM's tatics while defending corners?
fairwater: I would rather be in a postion of safety or on a good run! i.e scoring more points than those around you. Negative.... is that not MM's tatics while defending corners? Sir Les Taylor

7:07pm Tue 6 Apr 10

birmo says...

Thoguht we were excellent yesterday. DB & JDM were amazing! JDM played like he had a point to prove. DG ran further than any player I have seen seen. He deserves a lot of credit - especially winners flick ons for others to run onto. JE was brilliant. Constantly driven the mdfield and encouraging the team. He must sign a new contract. The pitch claimed at tleast 3 players yesterday - WB, LD & their defender - all hamstrings! I personally thought the second yellow for JH was harsh - a stern lecture would have been a better option. Overall very happy with that performance!
Thoguht we were excellent yesterday. DB & JDM were amazing! JDM played like he had a point to prove. DG ran further than any player I have seen seen. He deserves a lot of credit - especially winners flick ons for others to run onto. JE was brilliant. Constantly driven the mdfield and encouraging the team. He must sign a new contract. The pitch claimed at tleast 3 players yesterday - WB, LD & their defender - all hamstrings! I personally thought the second yellow for JH was harsh - a stern lecture would have been a better option. Overall very happy with that performance! birmo

8:11pm Tue 6 Apr 10

garston edl says...

I obviously hope TC and WB make quick recoveries. However, from a football point of view i hope Doyley is out for the season. Only Watford fans could celebrate this clown like they do!
I obviously hope TC and WB make quick recoveries. However, from a football point of view i hope Doyley is out for the season. Only Watford fans could celebrate this clown like they do! garston edl

10:44pm Tue 6 Apr 10

derry pigweed says...

garston edl wrote:
I obviously hope TC and WB make quick recoveries. However, from a football point of view i hope Doyley is out for the season. Only Watford fans could celebrate this clown like they do!
That's a bit Harsh on Doyley..!
[quote][p][bold]garston edl[/bold] wrote: I obviously hope TC and WB make quick recoveries. However, from a football point of view i hope Doyley is out for the season. Only Watford fans could celebrate this clown like they do![/p][/quote]That's a bit Harsh on Doyley..! derry pigweed

11:09pm Tue 6 Apr 10

luther blissett says...

derry pigweed wrote:
garston edl wrote: I obviously hope TC and WB make quick recoveries. However, from a football point of view i hope Doyley is out for the season. Only Watford fans could celebrate this clown like they do!
That's a bit Harsh on Doyley..!
I never agree with Garston, but I have to this time.

Not since Devon White has someone mugged a living out of the game like this. Yes he tries hard but I would try hard if I was to play for the mighty horns, even without the fortune he gets paid.
[quote][p][bold]derry pigweed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]garston edl[/bold] wrote: I obviously hope TC and WB make quick recoveries. However, from a football point of view i hope Doyley is out for the season. Only Watford fans could celebrate this clown like they do![/p][/quote]That's a bit Harsh on Doyley..![/p][/quote]I never agree with Garston, but I have to this time. Not since Devon White has someone mugged a living out of the game like this. Yes he tries hard but I would try hard if I was to play for the mighty horns, even without the fortune he gets paid. luther blissett

11:43pm Tue 6 Apr 10

Dr.Oftaw says...

garston edl wrote:
I obviously hope TC and WB make quick recoveries. However, from a football point of view i hope Doyley is out for the season. Only Watford fans could celebrate this clown like they do!
hope his modelling career isnt affected!
[quote][p][bold]garston edl[/bold] wrote: I obviously hope TC and WB make quick recoveries. However, from a football point of view i hope Doyley is out for the season. Only Watford fans could celebrate this clown like they do![/p][/quote]hope his modelling career isnt affected! Dr.Oftaw

8:08am Wed 7 Apr 10

JonBoy says...

Lloyd Doyley has been a tremendous servant for our club and deserves better from you.
Lloyd Doyley has been a tremendous servant for our club and deserves better from you. JonBoy

1:11pm Wed 7 Apr 10

luther blissett says...

Graham Taylor has been a great servant to the club.
Tommy Mooney has been a great servant to the club.
Wolfy the programme seller has been a great servant to the club.
I have been a great servant to this club.
But none of the above deserve to be playing in the team!!!!

If you actually read the comment from Garston, it's states "for footballing reasons" he doesn't want Doyley in the team, which I agree with because he is not a very good footballer.
Graham Taylor has been a great servant to the club. Tommy Mooney has been a great servant to the club. Wolfy the programme seller has been a great servant to the club. I have been a great servant to this club. But none of the above deserve to be playing in the team!!!! If you actually read the comment from Garston, it's states "for footballing reasons" he doesn't want Doyley in the team, which I agree with because he is not a very good footballer. luther blissett

2:55pm Wed 7 Apr 10

Prof Plum says...

luther blissett wrote:
derry pigweed wrote:
garston edl wrote: I obviously hope TC and WB make quick recoveries. However, from a football point of view i hope Doyley is out for the season. Only Watford fans could celebrate this clown like they do!
That's a bit Harsh on Doyley..!
I never agree with Garston, but I have to this time.

Not since Devon White has someone mugged a living out of the game like this. Yes he tries hard but I would try hard if I was to play for the mighty horns, even without the fortune he gets paid.
If it's any consolation, I very much doubt that Doyley gets paid a 'fortune' by modern football's standards. Anyway, he deserves every penny - he's an excellent defender although, I grant you, that his passing can be a little eratic - and Watford through and through. He deserves more than the ill-considered abuse he sometimes gets on this site.
[quote][p][bold]luther blissett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]derry pigweed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]garston edl[/bold] wrote: I obviously hope TC and WB make quick recoveries. However, from a football point of view i hope Doyley is out for the season. Only Watford fans could celebrate this clown like they do![/p][/quote]That's a bit Harsh on Doyley..![/p][/quote]I never agree with Garston, but I have to this time. Not since Devon White has someone mugged a living out of the game like this. Yes he tries hard but I would try hard if I was to play for the mighty horns, even without the fortune he gets paid.[/p][/quote]If it's any consolation, I very much doubt that Doyley gets paid a 'fortune' by modern football's standards. Anyway, he deserves every penny - he's an excellent defender although, I grant you, that his passing can be a little eratic - and Watford through and through. He deserves more than the ill-considered abuse he sometimes gets on this site. Prof Plum

4:02pm Wed 7 Apr 10

Sir Les Taylor says...

Prof Plum:

"he's an excellent defender"

April Fools was last week!
Prof Plum: "he's an excellent defender" April Fools was last week! Sir Les Taylor

4:23pm Wed 7 Apr 10

luther blissett says...

Prof, far from my comments being ill considered, I have actually considered them for a very long time.

It has been apparent for the last 5/6 years that he is not a very good footballer.

Also, how can it be a consolation that he isn't highly paid in modern football terms? Even if he was on only £2K a week that equates to over £100K a year (and he is on more than that).

How many WFC fans are on more than £100K a year, working part time? I know that is not Lloyds fault, but it surely can't be considered a consolation!!!
Prof, far from my comments being ill considered, I have actually considered them for a very long time. It has been apparent for the last 5/6 years that he is not a very good footballer. Also, how can it be a consolation that he isn't highly paid in modern football terms? Even if he was on only £2K a week that equates to over £100K a year (and he is on more than that). How many WFC fans are on more than £100K a year, working part time? I know that is not Lloyds fault, but it surely can't be considered a consolation!!! luther blissett

5:14pm Wed 7 Apr 10

Billie says...

luther blissett wrote:
Prof, far from my comments being ill considered, I have actually considered them for a very long time. It has been apparent for the last 5/6 years that he is not a very good footballer. Also, how can it be a consolation that he isn't highly paid in modern football terms? Even if he was on only £2K a week that equates to over £100K a year (and he is on more than that). How many WFC fans are on more than £100K a year, working part time? I know that is not Lloyds fault, but it surely can't be considered a consolation!!!
Luther, I tend to agree with the Prof.
Lloyd is not great with the ball I grant you, but good one on one defender he certainly is. I also question any fan like Garston who hopes one of his own players, and as loyal a player as Lloyd, is out for the season.
[quote][p][bold]luther blissett[/bold] wrote: Prof, far from my comments being ill considered, I have actually considered them for a very long time. It has been apparent for the last 5/6 years that he is not a very good footballer. Also, how can it be a consolation that he isn't highly paid in modern football terms? Even if he was on only £2K a week that equates to over £100K a year (and he is on more than that). How many WFC fans are on more than £100K a year, working part time? I know that is not Lloyds fault, but it surely can't be considered a consolation!!![/p][/quote]Luther, I tend to agree with the Prof. Lloyd is not great with the ball I grant you, but good one on one defender he certainly is. I also question any fan like Garston who hopes one of his own players, and as loyal a player as Lloyd, is out for the season. Billie

6:58pm Wed 7 Apr 10

garston edl says...

It would appear i have started a debate within a debate! Fair play to Luther for noticing i specified "for footballing reasons" as i don't wish LD as a person any pain!! I am dissapointed however, that " you never agree" with me on other WFC issues!!! LD's supporters lazily quote other people saying he's a great one on one defender but i'm far from convinced!
It would appear i have started a debate within a debate! Fair play to Luther for noticing i specified "for footballing reasons" as i don't wish LD as a person any pain!! I am dissapointed however, that " you never agree" with me on other WFC issues!!! LD's supporters lazily quote other people saying he's a great one on one defender but i'm far from convinced! garston edl

7:40pm Wed 7 Apr 10

Billie says...

garston edl wrote:
It would appear i have started a debate within a debate! Fair play to Luther for noticing i specified "for footballing reasons" as i don't wish LD as a person any pain!! I am dissapointed however, that " you never agree" with me on other WFC issues!!! LD's supporters lazily quote other people saying he's a great one on one defender but i'm far from convinced!
Garston, Lazily quote? Now if we start saying 'good engine' and all that stuff then you have a point. Very very few people get past LD. We can all see that. Why is that lazy? I also remember LD being linked with a half mill move. Mind you, I recall that was QPR, and they paid as much for some guy who just scored his first goal as we did for the Duke, so perhaps that is not a good endorsement. Whether for footballing reasons or not, to rejoice in someone getting injured is more vOr's style, not yours. Either way, here's to a good result against PA (I raise my glass to the computer screen).
[quote][p][bold]garston edl[/bold] wrote: It would appear i have started a debate within a debate! Fair play to Luther for noticing i specified "for footballing reasons" as i don't wish LD as a person any pain!! I am dissapointed however, that " you never agree" with me on other WFC issues!!! LD's supporters lazily quote other people saying he's a great one on one defender but i'm far from convinced![/p][/quote]Garston, Lazily quote? Now if we start saying 'good engine' and all that stuff then you have a point. Very very few people get past LD. We can all see that. Why is that lazy? I also remember LD being linked with a half mill move. Mind you, I recall that was QPR, and they paid as much for some guy who just scored his first goal as we did for the Duke, so perhaps that is not a good endorsement. Whether for footballing reasons or not, to rejoice in someone getting injured is more vOr's style, not yours. Either way, here's to a good result against PA (I raise my glass to the computer screen). Billie

8:27pm Wed 7 Apr 10

luther blissett says...

OK, I hope Doyley is fit and then dropped. Would that be better?
OK, I hope Doyley is fit and then dropped. Would that be better? luther blissett

8:03am Thu 8 Apr 10

Billie says...

luther blissett wrote:
OK, I hope Doyley is fit and then dropped. Would that be better?
I am much obliged Luther
[quote][p][bold]luther blissett[/bold] wrote: OK, I hope Doyley is fit and then dropped. Would that be better?[/p][/quote]I am much obliged Luther Billie

9:06am Thu 8 Apr 10

Prof Plum says...

luther blissett wrote:
Prof, far from my comments being ill considered, I have actually considered them for a very long time.

It has been apparent for the last 5/6 years that he is not a very good footballer.

Also, how can it be a consolation that he isn't highly paid in modern football terms? Even if he was on only £2K a week that equates to over £100K a year (and he is on more than that).

How many WFC fans are on more than £100K a year, working part time? I know that is not Lloyds fault, but it surely can't be considered a consolation!!!
Sounds to me like your comments are more inspired by jealousy and bitterness about your own lack of earning potential than any constructive view of Doyley as a footballer
[quote][p][bold]luther blissett[/bold] wrote: Prof, far from my comments being ill considered, I have actually considered them for a very long time. It has been apparent for the last 5/6 years that he is not a very good footballer. Also, how can it be a consolation that he isn't highly paid in modern football terms? Even if he was on only £2K a week that equates to over £100K a year (and he is on more than that). How many WFC fans are on more than £100K a year, working part time? I know that is not Lloyds fault, but it surely can't be considered a consolation!!![/p][/quote]Sounds to me like your comments are more inspired by jealousy and bitterness about your own lack of earning potential than any constructive view of Doyley as a footballer Prof Plum

9:55am Thu 8 Apr 10

luther blissett says...

But Plum, when have I said I have a lack of earning potential? Not at any point did I say I earn less than £100K.

However, I do believe there are footballers who are not value for their money. I'm not saying footballers should not be paid fortunes, just that the less talented ones should be paid according to value.

In my opinion Lloyd is not value for that sort of renumeration (and as I previously stated, I know this is not Lloyds fault. I too would take the most amount of money offered for my services).

I would like to take you up on one of your points though. You state my original comments were ill considered (when they were not), but do you really think it is a consolation to the majority of Watford fans that his wage may not be a fortune in his industry, when it is in the "real" world. I would class your comments as ill considered.
But Plum, when have I said I have a lack of earning potential? Not at any point did I say I earn less than £100K. However, I do believe there are footballers who are not value for their money. I'm not saying footballers should not be paid fortunes, just that the less talented ones should be paid according to value. In my opinion Lloyd is not value for that sort of renumeration (and as I previously stated, I know this is not Lloyds fault. I too would take the most amount of money offered for my services). I would like to take you up on one of your points though. You state my original comments were ill considered (when they were not), but do you really think it is a consolation to the majority of Watford fans that his wage may not be a fortune in his industry, when it is in the "real" world. I would class your comments as ill considered. luther blissett

11:16am Thu 8 Apr 10

Prof Plum says...

luther blissett wrote:
But Plum, when have I said I have a lack of earning potential? Not at any point did I say I earn less than £100K.

However, I do believe there are footballers who are not value for their money. I'm not saying footballers should not be paid fortunes, just that the less talented ones should be paid according to value.

In my opinion Lloyd is not value for that sort of renumeration (and as I previously stated, I know this is not Lloyds fault. I too would take the most amount of money offered for my services).

I would like to take you up on one of your points though. You state my original comments were ill considered (when they were not), but do you really think it is a consolation to the majority of Watford fans that his wage may not be a fortune in his industry, when it is in the "real" world. I would class your comments as ill considered.
I would imagine that the majority of fair minded Watford supporters living in the 'real world' do not begrudge an excellent professional and outstanding servant of the club like Doyley a single penny of what he earns.
[quote][p][bold]luther blissett[/bold] wrote: But Plum, when have I said I have a lack of earning potential? Not at any point did I say I earn less than £100K. However, I do believe there are footballers who are not value for their money. I'm not saying footballers should not be paid fortunes, just that the less talented ones should be paid according to value. In my opinion Lloyd is not value for that sort of renumeration (and as I previously stated, I know this is not Lloyds fault. I too would take the most amount of money offered for my services). I would like to take you up on one of your points though. You state my original comments were ill considered (when they were not), but do you really think it is a consolation to the majority of Watford fans that his wage may not be a fortune in his industry, when it is in the "real" world. I would class your comments as ill considered.[/p][/quote]I would imagine that the majority of fair minded Watford supporters living in the 'real world' do not begrudge an excellent professional and outstanding servant of the club like Doyley a single penny of what he earns. Prof Plum

11:33am Thu 8 Apr 10

ab11uk says...

Ah plum you are hilarious. I presume you were also one of the clappers when ashton paraded bangura(im not illegal i swear) around the pitch flouting every law in the land. and where did bangura end up? cashton made a bit of cash on the side me thinks. im sure plum clapped along.

on another subject why dont we bring back duke, we need players and our most expensive one and probably best performing striker this year is in greece somewhere while we pay his wages. might aswell do a malky and sit him on the bench.

duke genius, doyley rubbish,
bangura clapped back to leon by plum and malky still probably thinks he plays for us.

passcode *uck in plum sauce
Ah plum you are hilarious. I presume you were also one of the clappers when ashton paraded bangura(im not illegal i swear) around the pitch flouting every law in the land. and where did bangura end up? cashton made a bit of cash on the side me thinks. im sure plum clapped along. on another subject why dont we bring back duke, we need players and our most expensive one and probably best performing striker this year is in greece somewhere while we pay his wages. might aswell do a malky and sit him on the bench. duke genius, doyley rubbish, bangura clapped back to leon by plum and malky still probably thinks he plays for us. passcode *uck in plum sauce ab11uk

11:40am Thu 8 Apr 10

luther blissett says...

Prof Plum wrote:
luther blissett wrote: But Plum, when have I said I have a lack of earning potential? Not at any point did I say I earn less than £100K. However, I do believe there are footballers who are not value for their money. I'm not saying footballers should not be paid fortunes, just that the less talented ones should be paid according to value. In my opinion Lloyd is not value for that sort of renumeration (and as I previously stated, I know this is not Lloyds fault. I too would take the most amount of money offered for my services). I would like to take you up on one of your points though. You state my original comments were ill considered (when they were not), but do you really think it is a consolation to the majority of Watford fans that his wage may not be a fortune in his industry, when it is in the "real" world. I would class your comments as ill considered.
I would imagine that the majority of fair minded Watford supporters living in the 'real world' do not begrudge an excellent professional and outstanding servant of the club like Doyley a single penny of what he earns.
So that's where we differ as I do not believe the majority would think that.

Anyway, I would rather concentrate my efforts on Watford winning on Saturday.
[quote][p][bold]Prof Plum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]luther blissett[/bold] wrote: But Plum, when have I said I have a lack of earning potential? Not at any point did I say I earn less than £100K. However, I do believe there are footballers who are not value for their money. I'm not saying footballers should not be paid fortunes, just that the less talented ones should be paid according to value. In my opinion Lloyd is not value for that sort of renumeration (and as I previously stated, I know this is not Lloyds fault. I too would take the most amount of money offered for my services). I would like to take you up on one of your points though. You state my original comments were ill considered (when they were not), but do you really think it is a consolation to the majority of Watford fans that his wage may not be a fortune in his industry, when it is in the "real" world. I would class your comments as ill considered.[/p][/quote]I would imagine that the majority of fair minded Watford supporters living in the 'real world' do not begrudge an excellent professional and outstanding servant of the club like Doyley a single penny of what he earns.[/p][/quote]So that's where we differ as I do not believe the majority would think that. Anyway, I would rather concentrate my efforts on Watford winning on Saturday. luther blissett

12:16pm Thu 8 Apr 10

Prof Plum says...

luther blissett wrote:
Prof Plum wrote:
luther blissett wrote: But Plum, when have I said I have a lack of earning potential? Not at any point did I say I earn less than £100K. However, I do believe there are footballers who are not value for their money. I'm not saying footballers should not be paid fortunes, just that the less talented ones should be paid according to value. In my opinion Lloyd is not value for that sort of renumeration (and as I previously stated, I know this is not Lloyds fault. I too would take the most amount of money offered for my services). I would like to take you up on one of your points though. You state my original comments were ill considered (when they were not), but do you really think it is a consolation to the majority of Watford fans that his wage may not be a fortune in his industry, when it is in the "real" world. I would class your comments as ill considered.
I would imagine that the majority of fair minded Watford supporters living in the 'real world' do not begrudge an excellent professional and outstanding servant of the club like Doyley a single penny of what he earns.
So that's where we differ as I do not believe the majority would think that.

Anyway, I would rather concentrate my efforts on Watford winning on Saturday.
We'll agree to disagree then. As neither of us knows what Doyley actually earns its a pointless argument anyway! 100 per cent with you re Saturday though. Cheers
[quote][p][bold]luther blissett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Prof Plum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]luther blissett[/bold] wrote: But Plum, when have I said I have a lack of earning potential? Not at any point did I say I earn less than £100K. However, I do believe there are footballers who are not value for their money. I'm not saying footballers should not be paid fortunes, just that the less talented ones should be paid according to value. In my opinion Lloyd is not value for that sort of renumeration (and as I previously stated, I know this is not Lloyds fault. I too would take the most amount of money offered for my services). I would like to take you up on one of your points though. You state my original comments were ill considered (when they were not), but do you really think it is a consolation to the majority of Watford fans that his wage may not be a fortune in his industry, when it is in the "real" world. I would class your comments as ill considered.[/p][/quote]I would imagine that the majority of fair minded Watford supporters living in the 'real world' do not begrudge an excellent professional and outstanding servant of the club like Doyley a single penny of what he earns.[/p][/quote]So that's where we differ as I do not believe the majority would think that. Anyway, I would rather concentrate my efforts on Watford winning on Saturday.[/p][/quote]We'll agree to disagree then. As neither of us knows what Doyley actually earns its a pointless argument anyway! 100 per cent with you re Saturday though. Cheers Prof Plum

12:41pm Thu 8 Apr 10

Only 2 Ross Jenkins says...

Doyley has been a fairly regular feature of our team for the last 8 years. He has plyed under Vialli, Lewington, Boothroyd, Rogers and Mackay. And in the Premier League.
Whilst you may have views on each of these 5 managers, they can't all be wrong about Lloyd Doyley. He has made the best of his ability (the trouble is that his body language makes him look awkward, but we have seen so many times he has the ability to turn and go past players). We all know he is not Lionel Messi, but he is a very good defender at this level, hardly ever gets booked, hardly ever gets injured (ironically!), and does what he asked to do. You never hear about a bad attitude, or wanting to leave, or being a bad influence. In my opinion, he deserves a lot more credit than he gets. He's the kind of person who plays for the team. And yet he is seen as the weak link in the team. The facts above would seem to prove othewise.
Doyley has been a fairly regular feature of our team for the last 8 years. He has plyed under Vialli, Lewington, Boothroyd, Rogers and Mackay. And in the Premier League. Whilst you may have views on each of these 5 managers, they can't all be wrong about Lloyd Doyley. He has made the best of his ability (the trouble is that his body language makes him look awkward, but we have seen so many times he has the ability to turn and go past players). We all know he is not Lionel Messi, but he is a very good defender at this level, hardly ever gets booked, hardly ever gets injured (ironically!), and does what he asked to do. You never hear about a bad attitude, or wanting to leave, or being a bad influence. In my opinion, he deserves a lot more credit than he gets. He's the kind of person who plays for the team. And yet he is seen as the weak link in the team. The facts above would seem to prove othewise. Only 2 Ross Jenkins

1:15pm Thu 8 Apr 10

Dr.Oftaw says...

imo doyley is the best right back at the club, pity they won`t play him there.
imo doyley is the best right back at the club, pity they won`t play him there. Dr.Oftaw

1:34pm Thu 8 Apr 10

Prof Plum says...

Only 2 Ross Jenkins wrote:
Doyley has been a fairly regular feature of our team for the last 8 years. He has plyed under Vialli, Lewington, Boothroyd, Rogers and Mackay. And in the Premier League.
Whilst you may have views on each of these 5 managers, they can't all be wrong about Lloyd Doyley. He has made the best of his ability (the trouble is that his body language makes him look awkward, but we have seen so many times he has the ability to turn and go past players). We all know he is not Lionel Messi, but he is a very good defender at this level, hardly ever gets booked, hardly ever gets injured (ironically!), and does what he asked to do. You never hear about a bad attitude, or wanting to leave, or being a bad influence. In my opinion, he deserves a lot more credit than he gets. He's the kind of person who plays for the team. And yet he is seen as the weak link in the team. The facts above would seem to prove othewise.
That's what I meant to say! Spot on.
[quote][p][bold]Only 2 Ross Jenkins[/bold] wrote: Doyley has been a fairly regular feature of our team for the last 8 years. He has plyed under Vialli, Lewington, Boothroyd, Rogers and Mackay. And in the Premier League. Whilst you may have views on each of these 5 managers, they can't all be wrong about Lloyd Doyley. He has made the best of his ability (the trouble is that his body language makes him look awkward, but we have seen so many times he has the ability to turn and go past players). We all know he is not Lionel Messi, but he is a very good defender at this level, hardly ever gets booked, hardly ever gets injured (ironically!), and does what he asked to do. You never hear about a bad attitude, or wanting to leave, or being a bad influence. In my opinion, he deserves a lot more credit than he gets. He's the kind of person who plays for the team. And yet he is seen as the weak link in the team. The facts above would seem to prove othewise.[/p][/quote]That's what I meant to say! Spot on. Prof Plum

2:21pm Thu 8 Apr 10

Sir Les Taylor says...

All I can say is that LD must have had something over those five managers!!

Good servant = very well paid for his ability = knows which side his bread is buttered!!
All I can say is that LD must have had something over those five managers!! Good servant = very well paid for his ability = knows which side his bread is buttered!! Sir Les Taylor

8:01pm Thu 8 Apr 10

garston edl says...

Funnily enough, i popped into the Harlequin after work this evening and who do i see bowling round the place in his flat cap, Foot Locker bag in hand - Mr Doyley!! Sadly, for footballing reasons!, he didn't look at all injured!
Funnily enough, i popped into the Harlequin after work this evening and who do i see bowling round the place in his flat cap, Foot Locker bag in hand - Mr Doyley!! Sadly, for footballing reasons!, he didn't look at all injured! garston edl

8:02pm Thu 8 Apr 10

garston edl says...

Funnily enough, i popped into the Harlequin after work this evening and who do i see bowling round the place in his flat cap, Foot Locker bag in hand - Mr Doyley!! Sadly, for footballing reasons!, he didn't look at all injured!
Funnily enough, i popped into the Harlequin after work this evening and who do i see bowling round the place in his flat cap, Foot Locker bag in hand - Mr Doyley!! Sadly, for footballing reasons!, he didn't look at all injured! garston edl

8:44pm Sun 11 Apr 10

mkhornet says...

Well done boys great result. Eustace was awesome yet again, and great performances from Bennett and Graham. As for Henderson I've got a more mobile sack of spuds in my kitchen! Not Championship standard. Keep it going Hornets!
Well done boys great result. Eustace was awesome yet again, and great performances from Bennett and Graham. As for Henderson I've got a more mobile sack of spuds in my kitchen! Not Championship standard. Keep it going Hornets! mkhornet

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