Will Watford follow similar path as Pozzo-run Granada? (From Watford Observer)
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Will Watford follow similar path as Pozzo-run Granada?
11:23am Wednesday 20th June 2012 in Sport
Watford fans are already discussing what will happen to their club should the Pozzo takeover go through. Many have used Spanish side Granada CF, who were bought by the family in 2009, as an example of what the future may hold.
Granada CF reporter for El Centrocampista and Inside La Liga, Heath Chesters has written an article for the Watford Observer on the how the Pozzo family run the Spanish club to give an insight into what the Hornets fans could expect.
"Granada CF were once a permanent fixture amongst the Spanish elite, during the 1960s and 1970s. There was a cup final appearance in the 60s and regularly in the top-half of the table. When I first started watching them in 2005 though, they had fallen a long way from those lofty heights.
A promotion from the fourth tier of Spanish football, to the Segunda B4 at the end of the 2005/2006 season was a glimmer of hope. For another three years though, they would struggle not only on the pitch, but financially too, plunging further and further into the red.
Foreign ownership can often generate mixed feelings amongst fans. Especially when little is known about the new owners, or perhaps more importantly, their intentions.
Crippled with debts and struggling in the dungeon divisions of Spanish football, and literally weeks from closure, many fans of Granada CF had considerable doubts when a delegation from Udinese arrived in the city.
Things began to change very quickly. Quique Pina, their Spanish representative, was installed to run things as club president. In the background but ever busy was Gino Pozzo, the son of Udinese supremo Giampaolo Pozzo. Debts were quickly cleared and the books were balanced, a good sign for starters.
Shortly after, Granada CF were loaned numerous players from Udinese, including several "investment" signings, bought specifically by Udinese to send to their new affiliates. The rapid changes were impressive off the field, but on the pitch, things weren't as impressive as hoped to begin with.
With the target an immediate promotion to Segunda, manager Miguel Ángel Álvarez Tomé was dismissed midway through the season, with the team struggling to stay near the top of the table. His replacement was Fabriciano Gonzaléz, a battler in the lower leagues, who would ultimately steer them to promotion at the end of the season. Back in the second tier of Spanish football, after an absence of 22 years.
The following season, there were more player changes and arrivals from Udinese, including more "investment" signings. The fans were euphoric with promotion the previous season, but at best, they were looking forward to a season of consolidation in the Segunda. A poor start to the season was perhaps predictable, with so many player changes once more.
The side started to gel and the stands started to swell at their Nuevo Los Cármenes home, whilst results gradually started to come. A fantastic home record saw Granada climb steadily up the table and end up clinching the final play-off spot. Whilst I'd certainly thought the team were capable, I don't think any of the fans could quite believe their fortune.
Proud to have reached the play-offs, the fans cheered their team past Celta Vigo in the semi-finals, after a penalty shoot-out victory, and went on to beat Elche in the final on away goals. For the first time in 35 years, Granada CF made their return to the Primera.
Back in the top flight, rubbing shoulders with the likes of Barcelona and Real Madrid, some fans were perhaps a little unrealistic in their expectations. Many hoped for big-name signings. Indeed backed with additional financial support from the Pozzo family and their investors, Granada CF made ambitious approaches for numerous quality players. Sadly, having been outside the top-flight for so long, few of the big name players they approached, had faith that the "project" was anything more than a flash in the pan.
Key players from the promotion winning side remained, several of them contracted to Udinese, but the club also forged relations with Benfica, signing a number of players either on loan, or on free transfers. Whilst good additions were made, it was mainly the lack of attacking potency that made things difficult.
Struggling by January and in the bottom three, promotion-winning manager Fabri was relieved of his duties, in a move that genuinely split the opinions of the fans. Abel Resino was appointed with the task of keeping the club in the Primera and he made a great start. Ultimately a lack of fire-power couldn't lift the club clear of the relegation scrap. But Granada CF survived on the final day as Atlético Madrid sent Villarreal down.
With the new season beckoning and Granada CF having remained in the top-flight, the "project" looks set to continue growing. Quique Pina is to remain as club president, whilst in the background, Gino Pozzo guarantees further investment.
Having been sensibly managed financially, without overstepping their boundaries or risking debt, the club is now in a position to assemble a strong side for the season ahead. Romanian international Gabriel Torje, on loan from Udinese, amongst the first of the expected arrivals.
Meanwhile it's not just the first team that have benefited from investment. The youth system has enjoyed great support and development. The B side gained promotion to the fourth tier, where the first team were not so long ago. The youth teams at all levels have enjoyed excellent seasons and has focused principally on developing players from the province.
In Granada and Udine, fans of the respective clubs are already welcoming the latest "brotherly" addition to the "family" - Watford FC. Few can doubt what the Pozzo family have achieved at both Udinese and Granada CF.
Whilst many English clubs have experienced extremes of good and bad foreign ownership, with the Pozzo family and their investors at the helm of Watford, fans can be assured their club is in safe hands. These are passionate football people. Whilst it's fair to say that they will want to see a return on their "investments", they will want to ensure it comes in equal measure – on and off the field."
Comments(65)
a1derek
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11:41am Wed 20 Jun 12
Hungry_Hornet
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11:45am Wed 20 Jun 12
AngelHornet
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11:50am Wed 20 Jun 12
a1derek wrote:Totally agree!
Indeed, a very good piece, but let's get the deal done first shall we?
llloydwithathirdl
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11:52am Wed 20 Jun 12
I can't handle all this waiting - we really need this deal to go through. It would be such a positive step for the future of our long suffering football club.
WFC4ever
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12:02pm Wed 20 Jun 12
a1derek wrote:True and then make sure any new ownrs back up their talk with action.
Indeed, a very good piece, but let's get the deal done first shall we?
Remember Vialli and Simpson are 2 people who had great ideas..which failed.
Chris the Vic
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12:07pm Wed 20 Jun 12
I would welcome the WO investigating this and confirming whether the article is factual.
If it is I hope that the deal does go through and I will look forward to the sight of WFC rising up the league.
I would also look forward to the WO questioning the WST in detail regarding the statement they issued and why they had not investigated the benefits apparently accrued by Grenada.
akureyri
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12:17pm Wed 20 Jun 12
Prpwfc
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12:21pm Wed 20 Jun 12
Hornets number 12 fan
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12:35pm Wed 20 Jun 12
Colin West's mullet
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12:36pm Wed 20 Jun 12
tonupchris
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12:41pm Wed 20 Jun 12
Please don't muck this up and if anybody knows these guys tell them to ignore the WST.
SMP
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12:51pm Wed 20 Jun 12
Colin West's mullet wrote:No, get the deal RIGHT for the long term future of the club that we all love and THEN sign the contract! Patience is a virtue and the outcome will be worth the wait!
aaaargh I can't take the tension! sign the deal, sign the deal!
Harrydownunder
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12:54pm Wed 20 Jun 12
Back from Hammerau
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1:14pm Wed 20 Jun 12
akureyri wrote:Their mandate is to speak on behalf of their membership.
Who are the Watford Supporters Trust and what is their mandate?
As far as I'm aware, they're the only democratic body that represents Watford fans.
Dr,Oftaw
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1:26pm Wed 20 Jun 12
peter10531089
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1:57pm Wed 20 Jun 12
If the Pozzo family support the academy and the community then it might be a very different but exciting approach.
A preseason friendly tournament might be good!
peter10531089
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1:57pm Wed 20 Jun 12
If the Pozzo family support the academy and the community then it might be a very different but exciting approach.
A preseason friendly tournament might be good!
Dunderdale Pinner
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2:57pm Wed 20 Jun 12
abbotshornet
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3:05pm Wed 20 Jun 12
The association could be very beneficial for all concerned. COYH
Mickey Quinn, not so thin
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3:26pm Wed 20 Jun 12
Dunderdale Pinner wrote:....presumably with players swapping from team to team to team throughout the matches ?
This looks very promising, but do not rush the deal, just make sure the relevant financial safeguards are in place and dot the i's and cross the t's, then we can look forward to a very interesting future. Agree a pre-season tournament with Udinese and Grenada would be interesting, and probably attract a decent crowd.
Seriously this is starting to sound pretty promising. Not perfect (Elton-esque), but given where we are, the best we could hope for. Lets just hope it happens.
lutondown
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4:00pm Wed 20 Jun 12
One thing for sure if this goes ahead, Luton may still be only 15 miles due North but a million miles in reality
Back from Hammerau
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4:15pm Wed 20 Jun 12
A trip over for a pre-season game could have its advantages.
SAHornet
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4:23pm Wed 20 Jun 12
goldenboytoo
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4:30pm Wed 20 Jun 12
And there would also be the chance of a regular input of Udinese players, maybe squad players looking for first team run-outs and other developing youngsters, being sent here to hone their skills. It all looks like a win-win to me and the experience of Granada looks a very positive one. BTW, what a great piece from the Spanish journalist ... well done to the WO for approaching him, but let's hope it inspires them to work on their reporting skills instead of continuing to be a parroter of website and tweeting posts. WO reporting has not been the same since the great Ollie retired!
andyhooked
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5:31pm Wed 20 Jun 12
yellowwizard
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6:19pm Wed 20 Jun 12
Whilst I hope this deal goes through, which like most fans I want to happen, I have one concern. What will happen to SD? There have been rumours that a certain Signore Zola may have a role to play. What role? I would like to know, as would all Hornets fans.
Hoping this is not too previous such as our earlier club statement.
Benvenuto La Famiglia Pozzo a Watford. Forza Hornetto! Vivere Udinese!
WFC4ever
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7:11pm Wed 20 Jun 12
akureyri
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7:31pm Wed 20 Jun 12
Forza calabroni!!
mickallen57
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7:35pm Wed 20 Jun 12
Andrew1963
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10:16pm Wed 20 Jun 12
WFC4ever wrote:Bass is more Homer Simpson - i bet he mucks it up - ends up with nothing and we start the season -10!
I just hope these guys are more Elton John than Graham Simpson!
D.unstable
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10:47pm Wed 20 Jun 12
@heathFMResearch
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11:57pm Wed 20 Jun 12
D.unstable wrote:From memory, the Pozzo deal with Granada happened very quickly. Mainly due to the perilous situation they were in at the time.
Indeed let's hope that Baz knows it is the right time to go before it all goes Pete Tong and they walk away....anyone know how long these things usually drag on for?
Hard to say with Watford though. Probably still quite a bit of wrangling to be done yet. Depends if the valuations of both parties matches up too...
Michel Ngonge was Brilliant
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5:05am Thu 21 Jun 12
lutondown
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5:50am Thu 21 Jun 12
We need this deal as things are not good.
I do note the Bas brigade are not so vocal in their support of their ' 'lord and saviour'
corbindallas
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6:33am Thu 21 Jun 12
lutondown wrote:Grow up Jason!
The real issue Is not whose bloody manager but if we are still operating
We need this deal as things are not good.
I do note the Bas brigade are not so vocal in their support of their ' 'lord and saviour'
lutondown
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6:35am Thu 21 Jun 12
corbindallas wrote:Jason?
lutondown wrote:Grow up Jason!
The real issue Is not whose bloody manager but if we are still operating
We need this deal as things are not good.
I do note the Bas brigade are not so vocal in their support of their ' 'lord and saviour'
You've let the plot plod!
lutondown
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6:37am Thu 21 Jun 12
I can live with that
lutondown
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6:37am Thu 21 Jun 12
I can live with that
corbindallas
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6:42am Thu 21 Jun 12
lutondown wrote:I meant Dan. Grow up Dan! Yes it is early, still if it's any consolation I do want the Pozzo family to take over Watford, cripes does that mean we agree on something!!!
Meant lost the plot! T'is very early! Jason though? As in Friday the 13th no doubt! LOL
I can live with that
Mickey Quinn, not so thin
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7:03am Thu 21 Jun 12
corbindallas wrote:Luton - its still possible to be grateful that Bas came along when he did, recognise he'd made a reasonable fist of it, AND be supportive of the sale to the Pozzos now. There is a danger we will all be in agreement for a short while, but i'm sure a few will spit their dummies out if we aren't in the playoff spots come November ! Assuming the deal happens of course.
lutondown wrote:I meant Dan. Grow up Dan! Yes it is early, still if it's any consolation I do want the Pozzo family to take over Watford, cripes does that mean we agree on something!!!
Meant lost the plot! T'is very early! Jason though? As in Friday the 13th no doubt! LOL
I can live with that
COGGDAVE1
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7:33am Thu 21 Jun 12
The rights and wrongs of reign of the present owner have arguments on both sides, but I do believe Watford have been kept afloat, which if you cast your mind back, was/is some achievement.
If the deal goes through, we will have owners with huge football pedigree, unlike other take overs in recent times that have left clubs such as Portsmouth and Notts County floundering on the brink.
I think things are bad now, the present owner is struggling, but if things are that bad, why reject the 'Mapps' offer ?
It will be up to any new owner to put in place staff to run the club, including the Manager, if you are paying that sort of money, you have to be free to run the club how you think best
Replacing Sean, in my view would be a HUGE mistake, the guy carried out miracles in the short time in charge, but again it will be up to the new owners.
It also worries me about the exit of GT, I'm not sure we have the full story of this.
If the deal goes through, we will be in uncharted territory, and I for one, cant wait !!
SMP
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8:10am Thu 21 Jun 12
COGGDAVE1 wrote:I think that the departure of GT was the intial paving of the way for the 'long term rumour' that new owners were on the way. He always stated that it was a temporary arrangement and by going early, deflected the attention of that departure away from the new owners situation.
The sniping continues, I have been guilty of it in the past, but with a whole new era in the offing, its time to stop.
The rights and wrongs of reign of the present owner have arguments on both sides, but I do believe Watford have been kept afloat, which if you cast your mind back, was/is some achievement.
If the deal goes through, we will have owners with huge football pedigree, unlike other take overs in recent times that have left clubs such as Portsmouth and Notts County floundering on the brink.
I think things are bad now, the present owner is struggling, but if things are that bad, why reject the 'Mapps' offer ?
It will be up to any new owner to put in place staff to run the club, including the Manager, if you are paying that sort of money, you have to be free to run the club how you think best
Replacing Sean, in my view would be a HUGE mistake, the guy carried out miracles in the short time in charge, but again it will be up to the new owners.
It also worries me about the exit of GT, I'm not sure we have the full story of this.
If the deal goes through, we will be in uncharted territory, and I for one, cant wait !!
buck-stops
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8:17am Thu 21 Jun 12
Michel Ngonge was Brilliant
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8:22am Thu 21 Jun 12
lutondown wrote:True. No matter how it drags out I think weakness in the current owners is pure to see. If what they say about arguing over keys to the safe is true than that sums it all up in a nutshell.
The real issue Is not whose bloody manager but if we are still operating
We need this deal as things are not good.
I do note the Bas brigade are not so vocal in their support of their ' 'lord and saviour'
Frankie Frazer
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8:56am Thu 21 Jun 12
Love what they did with Grenada and its exactly the sort of model that needs to be followed by a club of Watfords size (at least there would be some investment)
Very nervous that the deal could fall down tho, just want it done and the new era to start !!!!!
not a regular
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9:05am Thu 21 Jun 12
Imagine the possible outcry if he had resigned under Pozzo's reign... There might have been some unwarranted backlash against what appear to be very good owners.
watford1881
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9:38am Thu 21 Jun 12
Bush Hornet
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9:59am Thu 21 Jun 12
watford1881 wrote:If they seam sound then they should sow it up soon
I think the change in owner is only a good thing.. The family seam sound..
Colin West's mullet
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10:10am Thu 21 Jun 12
Goldenboy1960
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10:45am Thu 21 Jun 12
buck-stops wrote:It's amazing what people believe with good PR
I think the Pozzo's are very shrewd. They see a club on the edge of London performing well and with a feted youth academy. I think they see great potential in it. Remember a number of clubs in Europe have come to look at our academy and modelled there's on it.
northofwatfordpete
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10:50am Thu 21 Jun 12
StephenKilamanjiro
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10:55am Thu 21 Jun 12
tonupchris
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11:00am Thu 21 Jun 12
StephenKilamanjiro wrote:Where about's on the web does it say that?
Just read on the net that the Pozzo's are considering walking away from the club because of the Bankrupt Toby's demand
StephenKilamanjiro
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11:14am Thu 21 Jun 12
tonupchris wrote:On various blogs, hopefully not true and just people who expect the sale of a football club to take the same time as the sale of a car
StephenKilamanjiro wrote:Where about's on the web does it say that?
Just read on the net that the Pozzo's are considering walking away from the club because of the Bankrupt Toby's demand
tonupchris
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11:22am Thu 21 Jun 12
StephenKilamanjiro wrote:I suspect that this is people guessing because it's not happened yet and not from anybody actually in the know. If this has been going on since February you would hope we're quite a long way down the line but as you say it's not like buying a car, we're talking millions of pounds.
tonupchris wrote:On various blogs, hopefully not true and just people who expect the sale of a football club to take the same time as the sale of a car
StephenKilamanjiro wrote:Where about's on the web does it say that?
Just read on the net that the Pozzo's are considering walking away from the club because of the Bankrupt Toby's demand
I have to admit though it's frustrating as there are no updates.
lutondown
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12:05pm Thu 21 Jun 12
Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:I'm quite agreeable anyway plod!
corbindallas wrote:Luton - its still possible to be grateful that Bas came along when he did, recognise he'd made a reasonable fist of it, AND be supportive of the sale to the Pozzos now. There is a danger we will all be in agreement for a short while, but i'm sure a few will spit their dummies out if we aren't in the playoff spots come November ! Assuming the deal happens of course.
lutondown wrote:I meant Dan. Grow up Dan! Yes it is early, still if it's any consolation I do want the Pozzo family to take over Watford, cripes does that mean we agree on something!!!
Meant lost the plot! T'is very early! Jason though? As in Friday the 13th no doubt! LOL
I can live with that
What made u think otherwise
Don't get the grow up bit, as I was wrong on Dtche and said so, i think future news may take you back a step too
Now you want to call me by my name thats fine it's all there for am everyone to see on twitter.
Whatsmore I would back up everything I say so total transparency here
AngelHornet
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12:12pm Thu 21 Jun 12
StephenKilamanjiro wrote:If that was on rumours, I'd take it with a pinch of salt
Just read on the net that the Pozzo's are considering walking away from the club because of the Bankrupt Toby's demand
chrisptrifle
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12:38pm Thu 21 Jun 12
Bush Hornet wrote:If they do sow it up, lets hope they don't make a pigs ear of it.
watford1881 wrote:If they seam sound then they should sow it up soon
I think the change in owner is only a good thing.. The family seam sound..
buck-stops
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1:20pm Thu 21 Jun 12
Goldenboy1960 wrote:50 academy first team debutants in 12 years. A flourishing school at Harefield. Selling youth assets for seven figure sums. What's not to believe?
buck-stops wrote:It's amazing what people believe with good PR
I think the Pozzo's are very shrewd. They see a club on the edge of London performing well and with a feted youth academy. I think they see great potential in it. Remember a number of clubs in Europe have come to look at our academy and modelled there's on it.
jez1664
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2:49pm Thu 21 Jun 12
If what people are speculating is true then the success of the Watford Academy is key making the club an attractive proposition to the Pozzo’s. If my memory serves me correctly it was set up when Graham Taylor came back to the club second time. If the deal goes through and leads to positive developments, it is another reason for us to be thankful for his vision and leadership over the years.
lutondown
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3:21pm Thu 21 Jun 12
Mickey Quinn, not so thin
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4:25pm Thu 21 Jun 12
lutondown wrote:would think that Bas and only Bas will decide on the sale, but it will trigger repayment of the sums owed to Lord A at the sme time. The only protection for Lord A would have been that he recovers the agreed sum for the loan notes. Part of the proof of funds will be to ensure there is cash there immediately to cover this payment (by Bas out of his gross proceeds I would think)
Just a question. Not in the least bit contentious in intent, but who has the final word on the sale? I don't think Ashcroft would have sold the club without a few strings attached. It would be comforting to know that Bas cannot put to high a price to scare off new investment.
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Bush Hornet
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4:40pm Thu 21 Jun 12
chrisptrifle wrote:;-)
Bush Hornet wrote:If they do sow it up, lets hope they don't make a pigs ear of it.
watford1881 wrote:If they seam sound then they should sow it up soon
I think the change in owner is only a good thing.. The family seam sound..
Edwardz22
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11:44am Mon 25 Jun 12
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