Hornets 'hopeful' of Deeney resolution (From Watford Observer)
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Watford release statement following Troy Deeney's apology
12:07pm Friday 31st August 2012 in Sport
Watford have suggested Troy Deeney may have a future at the club when he is released from prison.
The striker issued an apology to the Hornets and its fans earlier this week for the "terrible mistake" that resulted in him being sent to prison for ten months in June after admitting a charge of affray following a violent brawl in his home town of Birmingham.
Watford have responded to Deeney's apology by issuing a statement of their own.
It reads: "Watford FC acknowledges the recent public apology issued by Troy Deeney.
"The club can confirm it is now in discussion with his advisors, with the intention to discuss Deeney’s future directly with the player himself upon his release.
"Given the remorse demonstrated by Deeney, both in court and through his public apology, Watford FC is hopeful of reaching a resolution that allows the club to support the player through his rehabilitation while he continues his playing career with the Hornets.
"No additional individual comment will be made by any club officials at this time.
"A further update will follow as appropriate."
In his statement issued to Sky Sports, Deeney said: "I made a terrible mistake and I'm now serving my sentence for this.
"I have apologised to the victim involved and I would also like to place on record my apology to the fans and players of Watford Football Club for letting them down with my indiscretion.
"If the club decide to retain my services then I will give my all this season to help them achieve the goals set by the new management team."
At a hearing in May, prosecutor Marni Chimber said the punch-up broke out between the students and the four defendants - which included Deeney and his brother Ellis - near a bus stop in Broad Street, in Birmingham, at around 2.20am on Wednesday, February 29.
The incident was captured on CCTV and Miss Chimber said Troy, of Keepers Gate, in Chelmsley Wood, was filmed punching one student then kicking him on the ground before punching another.
She said when police arrived and arrested Troy Deeney he put up a struggle, causing an officer to dislocate a neck bone.
The football player had originally been charged with assaulting a police officer but the charge was subsequently dropped.
Deeney enjoyed one of the best seasons of his career prior to his imprisonment; scoring nine goals in his final 17 games.
The striker joined the club in 2010 for an undisclosed fee which we believe involved an initial sum of around £250,000.
Comments(64)
Hornet Cornet
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12:33pm Fri 31 Aug 12
Harrydownunder
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12:37pm Fri 31 Aug 12
bigdave8
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12:37pm Fri 31 Aug 12
Only 2 Ross Jenkins
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12:37pm Fri 31 Aug 12
bigdave8
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12:38pm Fri 31 Aug 12
bigdave8
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12:41pm Fri 31 Aug 12
garston 'orn
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12:46pm Fri 31 Aug 12
jasonwatford
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12:47pm Fri 31 Aug 12
Harrydownunder
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1:01pm Fri 31 Aug 12
Only 2 Ross Jenkins wrote:Corporal punishment is what he needs, not a slap on the wrist and a "Don't do it again" speech! Society is too soft on the offender whilst the poor chap he almost killed has to live with this forever!
Interesting. The club could well help Deeney rehabilitate so there is less chance of him reoffending - which in the long run is good for society. If they just let him go, the chance of him reoffending may be higher. Football clubs CAN help to focus young men's minds, again for the benefit of society.
No place at ANY football club!
The Rover
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1:02pm Fri 31 Aug 12
Leaving prison and have a job to walk into massively reduces the chance he will reoffend. If he is good enough to get Watford promoted then let him play his part.if not, then send him on his way.
I have been the victim of a similar crime and after being beaten by 4 people spent the night tied up and left on a warehouse floor, fearing for my life, I would like to think that prison is the best form of rehabilitation, and the final link in rehabilitation is to leave prison, and return to as normal life as possible. If that final link is not there the chances of reoffending increase dramatically.
I appreciate that Watford FC is not a charity, and are not responsible for the rehabilitation of ex-offenders, but credit should be given to them for at least giving Deeney an opportunity to show his remorse, and hopefully he will repay them, and the fans, with his performance on the pitch. It would also be nice to see him doing so e work with the community trust to teach local kids that crime does not pay (well, unless your a footballer!)
lockerbiehornet
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1:06pm Fri 31 Aug 12
Only 2 Ross Jenkins
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1:19pm Fri 31 Aug 12
Harrydownunder wrote:I woudn't go near him personally, but perhaps the club feels it can help by offering him a lifeline where others wouldn't, thus his likelihood to reoffend is hopefully less, to the greater good of society. I can see why the club has done it. They also want to get a fee for him when they sell him back to Walsall. Just sayin'
Only 2 Ross Jenkins wrote: Interesting. The club could well help Deeney rehabilitate so there is less chance of him reoffending - which in the long run is good for society. If they just let him go, the chance of him reoffending may be higher. Football clubs CAN help to focus young men's minds, again for the benefit of society.Corporal punishment is what he needs, not a slap on the wrist and a "Don't do it again" speech! Society is too soft on the offender whilst the poor chap he almost killed has to live with this forever! No place at ANY football club!
mooneysmagic
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1:26pm Fri 31 Aug 12
lockerbiehornet wrote:An average player does not score 9 goals in 17 games! You are probably one of those many Watford fans who still treat Marlon King as a Watford legend despite his treatment of women!
Thug and a average player, GET RID. I wonder how everyone who supports Deeney would feel if this was a woman he beat up??
@julesmckenzie
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1:30pm Fri 31 Aug 12
lockerbiehornet wrote:What if he killed the student? What if he broke the policemans neck? What if it was a woman? What if....
Thug and a average player, GET RID. I wonder how everyone who supports Deeney would feel if this was a woman he beat up??
It wasn't.
Give the guy a chance.
pstannard4
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1:38pm Fri 31 Aug 12
I would give him a second chance to prove that he can still be a top notch football player at the Horns and produce some of the goals from last season.
Watford please don't sack him, lets see what he has to offer us upon his release
holtonian
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1:40pm Fri 31 Aug 12
I believe if he gets fit he will do well as he is an impact type front man.
holtonian
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1:40pm Fri 31 Aug 12
I believe if he gets fit he will do well as he is an impact type front man.
QUINNPT
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1:45pm Fri 31 Aug 12
We are supposed to be a civilised society no matter what we have done or others have done. What has happend to the term forgiveness.
I for one believe in giving somebody a second chance.
Good on the club wishing to help him.
As for wanting to do this so the club can sell him. This is rubbish, he only has a year left on his contract and can walk away for nowt.
jasonwatford
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1:49pm Fri 31 Aug 12
Bush Hornet
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1:51pm Fri 31 Aug 12
Travelling Hornet
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1:55pm Fri 31 Aug 12
S!
Angella staying in Udine...........acco
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@julesmckenzie
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1:57pm Fri 31 Aug 12
This would encompass the Police Officer that was injured and also the students themselves as you would also infer that you support the rule of vigilantism and tribal rule (lynch mob).
So in effect your arguments are flawed and hypocritical because you are condoning what Troy did by doing it yourselves. (Taking the law into your own hands).
I would suggest that the punitive justice that has already been metered would be sufficient to allow him a chance to prove his remorse by acting in a more professional manner going forward and being an asset to our so called 'family club'.
The way some of you are acting is indeed as uncivilised as the act Troy himself commited.
Let us stand by our family ethos and allow a man to make a mistake, pay for it and move on. Like has been said before he probably wont cut it in the current setup anyway, but we shouldn't write him off as a lost cause.
Surely that would do far more harm then good?
thomas.howard
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2:01pm Fri 31 Aug 12
Only 2 Ross Jenkins
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2:04pm Fri 31 Aug 12
thomas.howard wrote:Yes, the poll could be Sack, Back or Crack?
Sack him! Watford Observer, time for a poll?
dannythehornet
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2:07pm Fri 31 Aug 12
Mickey Quinn, not so thin
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2:11pm Fri 31 Aug 12
Only 2 Ross Jenkins wrote:excellent !!
thomas.howard wrote:Yes, the poll could be Sack, Back or Crack?
Sack him! Watford Observer, time for a poll?
Mickey Quinn, not so thin
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2:12pm Fri 31 Aug 12
Only 2 Ross Jenkins wrote:excellent !!
thomas.howard wrote:Yes, the poll could be Sack, Back or Crack?
Sack him! Watford Observer, time for a poll?
lockerbiehornet
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2:15pm Fri 31 Aug 12
1:49pm Fri 31 Aug 12
Lockerbie...stay there and dont judge from another country......Can t you people understand he done something wrong.....he didnt kill anyone he didnt slap an innocent women ( Marlon ) He got in a fight and none of us know what happened in the build up to all this. Yes it was wrong and for what we know the guy beaten up is not in hospital or had a disability after it...just took a beating and i guess is now back to college or whatever he does. Maybe you do gooders should go and slate marlon king who did worse or Lee Hughes who killed a man or McCormmack who is just due out after driving and killing two young boys. WELCOME Back Troy ( ps u do it again and i'll kick ur **** myself )
Probably have a different view if it was your brother Jas, also, I'm not judging I'm giving you my opinion.
SAHornet
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2:19pm Fri 31 Aug 12
The crime he committed was serious but the man will have done time for it and paid his price to society. Stop being so bloody holier-than-thou about it and give him a second chance. His time in prison will have entitled him to that, at least.
Back from Hammerau
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2:24pm Fri 31 Aug 12
In how many occupations would an employer react to someone being in breach of their contract by failing to turn up to work as required for several months (whether because of imprisonment or any other reason) by welcoming him back when they eventually return?
Sacking such a person isn't normally described as punishing them.
LSC
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2:25pm Fri 31 Aug 12
@julesmckenzie wrote:This has nothing to do with the justice system and everything to do with breach of contract. He has not reported to work and has not been signed off by a doctor as unfit for work. In ANY other profession you would get the sack for that and in the armed services you would be arrested again and charged.
If you choose to take the stance of many and call for Troys head to be displayed at the gates of the Vic then by your own inference you are rubbishing the penal system and therefore the entire justice system. This would encompass the Police Officer that was injured and also the students themselves as you would also infer that you support the rule of vigilantism and tribal rule (lynch mob). So in effect your arguments are flawed and hypocritical because you are condoning what Troy did by doing it yourselves. (Taking the law into your own hands). I would suggest that the punitive justice that has already been metered would be sufficient to allow him a chance to prove his remorse by acting in a more professional manner going forward and being an asset to our so called 'family club'. The way some of you are acting is indeed as uncivilised as the act Troy himself commited. Let us stand by our family ethos and allow a man to make a mistake, pay for it and move on. Like has been said before he probably wont cut it in the current setup anyway, but we shouldn't write him off as a lost cause. Surely that would do far more harm then good?
The fact he might score some goals for my favorite football team does not compromise my morals.
It is a lesson for us all; if you want to stay a free man and employed, try as hard as you can not to kick people in the head. I've tried it and it is quite easy.
lockerbiehornet
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2:32pm Fri 31 Aug 12
@julesmckenzie
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2:35pm Fri 31 Aug 12
LSC wrote:I see your point but are you worth £250k to an impoverished business?
@julesmckenzie wrote:This has nothing to do with the justice system and everything to do with breach of contract. He has not reported to work and has not been signed off by a doctor as unfit for work. In ANY other profession you would get the sack for that and in the armed services you would be arrested again and charged.
If you choose to take the stance of many and call for Troys head to be displayed at the gates of the Vic then by your own inference you are rubbishing the penal system and therefore the entire justice system. This would encompass the Police Officer that was injured and also the students themselves as you would also infer that you support the rule of vigilantism and tribal rule (lynch mob). So in effect your arguments are flawed and hypocritical because you are condoning what Troy did by doing it yourselves. (Taking the law into your own hands). I would suggest that the punitive justice that has already been metered would be sufficient to allow him a chance to prove his remorse by acting in a more professional manner going forward and being an asset to our so called 'family club'. The way some of you are acting is indeed as uncivilised as the act Troy himself commited. Let us stand by our family ethos and allow a man to make a mistake, pay for it and move on. Like has been said before he probably wont cut it in the current setup anyway, but we shouldn't write him off as a lost cause. Surely that would do far more harm then good?
The fact he might score some goals for my favorite football team does not compromise my morals.
It is a lesson for us all; if you want to stay a free man and employed, try as hard as you can not to kick people in the head. I've tried it and it is quite easy.
The facts are that Deeney was a bad boy. Out of order on many levels, a thug and a miscreant.
However he is a human being and as such has at least the right to a fair trial/tribunal (which he has had in court). Once this has happened all other details are superflouous and academic. For him to be judged twice is illegal and immoral.
The question of contract is not something we can question without having the details in front of us, which we dont.
My opinion is based on those facts available, not those yet to be disclosed.
@julesmckenzie
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2:39pm Fri 31 Aug 12
LSC wrote:I see your point but are you worth £250k to an impoverished business?
@julesmckenzie wrote:This has nothing to do with the justice system and everything to do with breach of contract. He has not reported to work and has not been signed off by a doctor as unfit for work. In ANY other profession you would get the sack for that and in the armed services you would be arrested again and charged.
If you choose to take the stance of many and call for Troys head to be displayed at the gates of the Vic then by your own inference you are rubbishing the penal system and therefore the entire justice system. This would encompass the Police Officer that was injured and also the students themselves as you would also infer that you support the rule of vigilantism and tribal rule (lynch mob). So in effect your arguments are flawed and hypocritical because you are condoning what Troy did by doing it yourselves. (Taking the law into your own hands). I would suggest that the punitive justice that has already been metered would be sufficient to allow him a chance to prove his remorse by acting in a more professional manner going forward and being an asset to our so called 'family club'. The way some of you are acting is indeed as uncivilised as the act Troy himself commited. Let us stand by our family ethos and allow a man to make a mistake, pay for it and move on. Like has been said before he probably wont cut it in the current setup anyway, but we shouldn't write him off as a lost cause. Surely that would do far more harm then good?
The fact he might score some goals for my favorite football team does not compromise my morals.
It is a lesson for us all; if you want to stay a free man and employed, try as hard as you can not to kick people in the head. I've tried it and it is quite easy.
The facts are that Deeney was a bad boy. Out of order on many levels, a thug and a miscreant.
However he is a human being and as such has at least the right to a fair trial/tribunal (which he has had in court). Once this has happened all other details are superflouous and academic. For him to be judged twice is illegal and immoral.
The question of contract is not something we can question without having the details in front of us, which we dont.
My opinion is based on those facts available, not those yet to be disclosed.
Dr,Oftaw
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2:43pm Fri 31 Aug 12
lockerbiehornet wrote:MUG, and in your next post you say any englishman would get a beating in glasgow because of his accent. why don`t stay there shut up and get of our forum.
Thug and a average player, GET RID. I wonder how everyone who supports Deeney would feel if this was a woman he beat up??
lockerbiehornet
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2:47pm Fri 31 Aug 12
2:43pm Fri 31 Aug 12
lockerbiehornet wrote:
Thug and a average player, GET RID. I wonder how everyone who supports Deeney would feel if this was a woman he beat up??
MUG, and in your next post you say any englishman would get a beating in glasgow because of his accent. why don`t stay there shut up and get of our forum.
Unfortunately that's how they act up here in some parts of Glasgow Dr, I'm English so I'm not agreeing with it I'm just trying to give an example
garston 'orn
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2:59pm Fri 31 Aug 12
hornet1968
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3:33pm Fri 31 Aug 12
hornet1968
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3:33pm Fri 31 Aug 12
wheelsonfire
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3:40pm Fri 31 Aug 12
Toshhorn
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3:43pm Fri 31 Aug 12
In the 80's I remember Brian Clough coming onto the pitch and clouting a fan!!!
Yes Troy was wrong and yes he should have apologised earlier, but, he has apologised to all concerned including the students he thumped.
By the way, do we honestly believe that the students were blameless?? I'm sure things were said before the fists started flying and sometimes when the red mist descends this is what happens.All the "sack him" brigade just remember Cantonna, did he go to Prison?? no, get over it and stop trying to make matters worse.
He's said sorry, been to prison, not seen his baby/Partner for months, that's enough punishment for a punch up!!Come back Troy and behave yourself.
LSC
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3:45pm Fri 31 Aug 12
I don't think that makes a difference. If the Queen was caught drink-driving she should be punnished like anyone else, despite what ramifications it might have to our very constitution. But the Queen knows this and is sensible enough not to do it in the first place.
"For him to be judged twice is illegal and immoral."
He hasn't been. The normal punnishment for kicking people in the head is prison AND losing your job. They are part of the same judgement and punishment.
"The question of contract is not something we can question without having the details in front of us, which we dont."
Fair comment.
The Rover
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3:53pm Fri 31 Aug 12
LSC wrote:Losing your job is not part of the punishment, it is a consequence of the punishment, and is at the discretion of the employer. Watford FC have used their discretion.
"I see your point but are you worth £250k to an impoverished business?"
I don't think that makes a difference. If the Queen was caught drink-driving she should be punnished like anyone else, despite what ramifications it might have to our very constitution. But the Queen knows this and is sensible enough not to do it in the first place.
"For him to be judged twice is illegal and immoral."
He hasn't been. The normal punnishment for kicking people in the head is prison AND losing your job. They are part of the same judgement and punishment.
"The question of contract is not something we can question without having the details in front of us, which we dont."
Fair comment.
Only 2 Ross Jenkins
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3:54pm Fri 31 Aug 12
LSC wrote:The Queen can drive?!
"I see your point but are you worth £250k to an impoverished business?" I don't think that makes a difference. If the Queen was caught drink-driving she should be punnished like anyone else, despite what ramifications it might have to our very constitution. But the Queen knows this and is sensible enough not to do it in the first place. "For him to be judged twice is illegal and immoral." He hasn't been. The normal punnishment for kicking people in the head is prison AND losing your job. They are part of the same judgement and punishment. "The question of contract is not something we can question without having the details in front of us, which we dont." Fair comment.
Surbiton
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3:59pm Fri 31 Aug 12
WFC4ever
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4:01pm Fri 31 Aug 12
The Rover
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4:03pm Fri 31 Aug 12
Only 2 Ross Jenkins wrote:Yes, the queen can drive! If she was caught drink driving she would, in effect, go to her own court (Her Majesties Court Services), so she would probably win.
LSC wrote:The Queen can drive?!
"I see your point but are you worth £250k to an impoverished business?" I don't think that makes a difference. If the Queen was caught drink-driving she should be punnished like anyone else, despite what ramifications it might have to our very constitution. But the Queen knows this and is sensible enough not to do it in the first place. "For him to be judged twice is illegal and immoral." He hasn't been. The normal punnishment for kicking people in the head is prison AND losing your job. They are part of the same judgement and punishment. "The question of contract is not something we can question without having the details in front of us, which we dont." Fair comment.
Holly68
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4:18pm Fri 31 Aug 12
Travelling Hornet wrote:source ?
Neuton is in Watford....YEEEEEEEE
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mkhornet
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4:35pm Fri 31 Aug 12
MJ1
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5:46pm Fri 31 Aug 12
MJ1
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5:46pm Fri 31 Aug 12
D.unstable
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5:57pm Fri 31 Aug 12
Personally I have never rated him, certainly will not be good enough to challenge for a first team place once all are fit and has a goals/game ratio not much better that Garner, therefore shouldn't even be debating it really.
Oh, and he has a head the size of a beach ball.
Ronny oh Ronny Ronny
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6:15pm Fri 31 Aug 12
Great news, it would look worse on the club just to sack him for one misforgiving which he is clearly remorseful for. Should he do something similar then fair enough but we are a fair club and always have been, he deserves another chance and will carry on from where he left off I'm sure.
goldenboy1993
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7:43pm Fri 31 Aug 12
bushey tales
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8:11pm Fri 31 Aug 12
corbindallas
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8:27pm Fri 31 Aug 12
Stoney77
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9:05pm Fri 31 Aug 12
Toshhorn wrote:I think you'll find that a very large proportion of people have not "lost our temper and ended up in a fight". You may not believe it, but we are not all chavs who solve problems with our fists and resort to fighting. The majority of us have self control and manage to go through life without fighting, or indeed kicking someone in the head when they are on the ground.
So,when we were all younger than we are now, none of us lost our temper and ended up in a fight??
In the 80's I remember Brian Clough coming onto the pitch and clouting a fan!!!
Yes Troy was wrong and yes he should have apologised earlier, but, he has apologised to all concerned including the students he thumped.
By the way, do we honestly believe that the students were blameless?? I'm sure things were said before the fists started flying and sometimes when the red mist descends this is what happens.All the "sack him" brigade just remember Cantonna, did he go to Prison?? no, get over it and stop trying to make matters worse.
He's said sorry, been to prison, not seen his baby/Partner for months, that's enough punishment for a punch up!!Come back Troy and behave yourself.
Pa1234
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10:06pm Fri 31 Aug 12
Stoney77
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10:32pm Fri 31 Aug 12
LSC
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12:37am Sat 1 Sep 12
Stoney77 wrote:Exactly. And what is more, if I was ever lucky enough to land a job paying 5k A WEEK until I was about 30 or so, and I had a young family, I'd live like a b***** nun to keep it if that's what it took.
Toshhorn wrote:I think you'll find that a very large proportion of people have not "lost our temper and ended up in a fight". You may not believe it, but we are not all chavs who solve problems with our fists and resort to fighting. The majority of us have self control and manage to go through life without fighting, or indeed kicking someone in the head when they are on the ground.
So,when we were all younger than we are now, none of us lost our temper and ended up in a fight??
In the 80's I remember Brian Clough coming onto the pitch and clouting a fan!!!
Yes Troy was wrong and yes he should have apologised earlier, but, he has apologised to all concerned including the students he thumped.
By the way, do we honestly believe that the students were blameless?? I'm sure things were said before the fists started flying and sometimes when the red mist descends this is what happens.All the "sack him" brigade just remember Cantonna, did he go to Prison?? no, get over it and stop trying to make matters worse.
He's said sorry, been to prison, not seen his baby/Partner for months, that's enough punishment for a punch up!!Come back Troy and behave yourself.
It's called respect and responsibilty.
@julesmckenzie
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11:57am Sat 1 Sep 12
LSC wrote:Whilst I agree with the theoretical arguments of morality and acceptable behaviour, it must be said that many people have not had the fortune of an upbringing that is conducive to these ideals. That said it does not condone working class thuggery, but strives more to encourage middle class tolerance and understanding.
Stoney77 wrote:Exactly. And what is more, if I was ever lucky enough to land a job paying 5k A WEEK until I was about 30 or so, and I had a young family, I'd live like a b***** nun to keep it if that's what it took.
Toshhorn wrote:I think you'll find that a very large proportion of people have not "lost our temper and ended up in a fight". You may not believe it, but we are not all chavs who solve problems with our fists and resort to fighting. The majority of us have self control and manage to go through life without fighting, or indeed kicking someone in the head when they are on the ground.
So,when we were all younger than we are now, none of us lost our temper and ended up in a fight??
In the 80's I remember Brian Clough coming onto the pitch and clouting a fan!!!
Yes Troy was wrong and yes he should have apologised earlier, but, he has apologised to all concerned including the students he thumped.
By the way, do we honestly believe that the students were blameless?? I'm sure things were said before the fists started flying and sometimes when the red mist descends this is what happens.All the "sack him" brigade just remember Cantonna, did he go to Prison?? no, get over it and stop trying to make matters worse.
He's said sorry, been to prison, not seen his baby/Partner for months, that's enough punishment for a punch up!!Come back Troy and behave yourself.
It's called respect and responsibilty.
LSC has brought a reasonable argument of contractual obligation to this dicussion which cannot be discounted.
However I would suggest that perhaps with a little empathy you might understand the reasoning behind WFC's decision to continue Deeneys employment.
Many were concerned that the family ethos of the club would be lost following the Pozzo takeover. Surely this act of leniency will go someway to allay these fears and show a human element to the management team?
From a business point of view if you bought a £250k car that broke down once, would you get it fixed and try again or would you scrap it? If you fix it you could at least sell it on and recoup some of your loss.
Contractually Troy is at the mercy of the management team. They also hold all the cards with regard to re-negotiation. This again is a good thing.
In short, the clubs position is both morally and legally viable. Personally I see it as a very tenable situation where all parties stand to gain/regain respect and recognition.
LSC
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3:18pm Sat 1 Sep 12
If Troy had been one of the bankers involved in the recent scandal about fixing the libor rates (and let's face it, he earns similar money), would you be so generous about him getting his job back after serving his sentence?
Even if he was REALLY good at banking?
I suspect most people would say no.
The CEO of Barclays was forced to resign; if he was instantly employed by Nat West, would you all say 'Isn't that nice, him getting a second chance after one little mistake'?
I somehow doubt it.
@julesmckenzie
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8:56pm Sat 1 Sep 12
If it was we wouldnt have judges or politicians!
Hornet Cornet says...
12:33pm Fri 31 Aug 12