Watford loan round-up (From Watford Observer)

Pity he couldn't do that for us...

Eastsussexhornet wrote:
Pity he couldn't do that for us...

He will though. It's what loaning out your up and coming youngsters to lower league clubs is for.

We won't ever have any young ones again if you listen to martin Samuels report in the mail online lol

Assombalonga is doing well and his potential was rewarded last season with a couple of first team outings.He might get a look in later in the season if he keeps it going!

Martin Samuels report in todays Daily Mail will be uncomfortable reading for some fans however he makes some very valid points that shouldn't be ignored.
Many young players will now think twice about joining Watford when they have to join the que to play behind on loan players from Udinesse and Granada.
There will always be a need for loan signings but 16 players on loan is a risky strategy. How many are going to have pride in wearing the Watford shirt and the hunger and desire to deliver not just for themselves but more importantly for the fans. Only time will tell. I would like to see more players who are committed to the club under contract rather than a revolving door loan policy that lacks continuity and causes uncertainty on and off the pitch.

Eastsussexhornet wrote:
Pity he couldn't do that for us...

hard to do when you are on the bench!

I also understand Sean Murrey's new contract is held by Udinese

Essex Hornet wrote:
Martin Samuels report in todays Daily Mail will be uncomfortable reading for some fans however he makes some very valid points that shouldn't be ignored.
Many young players will now think twice about joining Watford when they have to join the que to play behind on loan players from Udinesse and Granada.
There will always be a need for loan signings but 16 players on loan is a risky strategy. How many are going to have pride in wearing the Watford shirt and the hunger and desire to deliver not just for themselves but more importantly for the fans. Only time will tell. I would like to see more players who are committed to the club under contract rather than a revolving door loan policy that lacks continuity and causes uncertainty on and off the pitch.

"Many young players will now think twice about joining Watford." No they won't. They will dream of joining Watford but it won't happen. Because Watford will have higher standards than before.

And the Daily Mail, for the record, is one of the worst newspapers in Britain. Run by self interested Tories and bought and read by crushing bores.

Essex Hornet wrote:
Martin Samuels report in todays Daily Mail will be uncomfortable reading for some fans however he makes some very valid points that shouldn't be ignored. Many young players will now think twice about joining Watford when they have to join the que to play behind on loan players from Udinesse and Granada. There will always be a need for loan signings but 16 players on loan is a risky strategy. How many are going to have pride in wearing the Watford shirt and the hunger and desire to deliver not just for themselves but more importantly for the fans. Only time will tell. I would like to see more players who are committed to the club under contract rather than a revolving door loan policy that lacks continuity and causes uncertainty on and off the pitch.

Martin Samuels is also a bitter West Ham fan. Can you tell in his report?

We weren't exactly awash with alternatives. He admits he has not seen us play. Granada have had loanee's for longer periods than we had Danny G, Williamson etc., At least we are not putting together a scheme to circumvent the financial constraints of the Fair Play System.

And the diets not working.

SAHornet wrote:

Eastsussexhornet wrote:
Pity he couldn't do that for us...

He will though. It's what loaning out your up and coming youngsters to lower league clubs is for.

I hope you are right and yes, I know that is the objective, but how many times has he played for us???

GrahamTaylor wrote:
I also understand Sean Murrey's new contract is held by Udinese

Understand from who ?

Patience a virtue for Pozzo project

SO WE'RE under national scrutiny it seems, but not for the right reasons. After Rory Smith's fairly upbeat & informative piece for The Times centred around the Pozzo family's model, comes Martin Samuel's article for The Daily Mail which suggests Watford 'are a snapshot of all that's wrong with the modern game.'

The way the Pozzo family have gone about their business so buying out Laurence Bassini over the summer is a contentious issue for all Hornet's supporters.

Whether or not you're enjoying the influx of exotic talent from Udinese or Granada, there's no getting away from the fact that Watford is a club built of two fundamental pillars; one being it's family club reputation, and the other being the constant conveyor built of home-grown talent.

We might not churn out the same calibre of player that Dario Gradi has been consistently responsible for at Crewe, but it's fair to say that from John Barnes to Sean Murray, some extremely talented individuals have graduated from the Vicarage Road youth ranks.

Understandably Samuel attacks the fact that the sheer volume of loanees is blocking the route to the first team for the Murray's of this world, conveniently ignoring the fact that for every Murray, there are five Dominic Blizzard's or Jerel Ifil's who make the grade out of necessity alone.

Whilst we undoubtedly have far too many players, (42 if you include those out on-loan), Gianfranco Zola is in the luxurious position of not having to call upon any Tom, Dick or Harry who might be up to the rigours of professional football in order to fill out his squad.

One of the benefits of having such a large roster to choose from is that the 18 who are selected on a matchday have earned the right to be there. They're no longer there because there's no one else, those are the 18 form players in Zola's ranks come matchday.

Quite simply, players who are good enough to make the grade for the first-team will continue to progress from the academy, be that in conjunction with the Harefield Project or not.

Probably the most contentious issue is the number of loanees. There are too many and nobody is denying that. As mentioned previously there are advantages to be gained from the regulations regarding international loans, which leave a Steve Beleck-sized loophole which the Pozzo's continue to exploit.

Let's get a few things straight - it is ridiculous to borrow so many players from one team, but there is nothing to stop other clubs filling out the gaps in their squads with loanees from abroad. The rules are the same for everybody after all.

Having had the privilege of speaking to Daniel Pudil amongst others, it is very clear that the players do not have to come to Watford and that whilst Zola isn't the man who produces the names, he can say 'no' if he doesn't fancy the player.

Samnuel suggests that after just seven league fixtures the die is cast for the Hornet's season, in what he himself labels as a 'famously unpredictable league'. We're relegation fodder already by all accounts, which seems a tad premature with 39 league fixtures still to play.

He even goes as far as to admit that it's too early to judge the success of the project, before launching into an attack on the Pozzo's plan.

A project is exactly what this is, and a plan is exactly what the family come armed with. They have been in football long enough to know that wholesale change of this degree takes time to have the desired impact, and that success won't be instant, but they do at least have a track-record of bringing success to clubs on this model.

The less said about Laurence Bassini, the better, but one can only assume that Samuel would be (rightfully) scathing about an owner with Bassini's (lack of) credentials. This are proven owners, and in a country where foreign ownership so often turns sour, perspective is needed.

A large chunk of the article is dedicated to lamenting the relationship between Zola, technical director Gian Luca Nani, and CEO Scott Duxbury.

Whilst the trio didn't bring unparalleled success to the Boleyn Ground, they kept them in the Premier League - unlike messrs Gold, Sullivan, Brady & Grant.

There are doubts, and they remain prominent amongst even the most positive Watford supporters, but right now is not the time to judge the success of the Pozzo family's tenure. This is a radical departure from how the club has been run in recent years, but apart from a couple of single-season stays in the top-flight, where did that get us?

If in a couple of years time no progress has been made, then the project may not have succeeded, but for now patience remains a virtue.

For further reading on the subject of Samuel's article today, check out From the Rookery End's take on things. Make sure you have a read of A Watford Blog's view whilst you're at it.


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Holly! Pretty much agree, although I do feel Samuels has a point about youngsters who, I feel, will be rather more reluctant to join Watford---although reaching the Premiership will make things more attractive for them.
Nani/Duxbury deserve patience, since without them the Pozzos would not be here---Samuels failed to mention that. But I have expressed my doubts about them previously. Particularly Nani's debatable dealings with players at West Ham. A comment I read from a Duxbury interview some time ago (before Watford), where he stated that he "failed to fully realise the implications" of Tevez's contract I found startling, coming as it did from a man with legal training. But I am happy to give them time.
With the quality of players now at the club, relegation is not a worry---unless Zola proves to be totally useless as a manager. I still see a mid-table finish, followed by a genuine promotion push next season. Patience, everyone!

I think people need to calm down about the players that have come in.They are also perm loans as well,and it has avoided any transfer fees and outlay of stupid money which saw us get into trouble with the likes of Ellighton signing huge contracts that this club could not afford,and Under the vialli era where everything went into melt down with players like Vega being paid 25k a week.
It is funny that this article does not mention every premiership team that is awash with foreign players that is stopping there young English players coming through.Which was a huge concern for the National squad.
Watch MOTD and count how many UK players there are in the teams,the foreign players out way our own.The reason is,foreigners are much better hence England have never won anything since 1966.
It is funny that the likes of Chelsea have nothing said when they field 11 different foreigners in a game but it is so wrong for little old Watford trying to do it and reach the promise land.
If Zola does not think some of these players will cut it,then off they go,and if we have better in the wings they will get a chance.At the same time we are enhancing other teams by sending our promising kids out on loan,the same as Sir Alex did with Cleverly,now he is in the 1st team most weeks.

20 yards screamer... 20 yards & screamer don't go in the same breath... Got to be at least a 30 yarder... I hope he makes the move for the season... He is pants for us...

Murrey will go on loan to the Italians...

aefevans wrote:

Essex Hornet wrote:
Martin Samuels report in todays Daily Mail will be uncomfortable reading for some fans however he makes some very valid points that shouldn't be ignored. Many young players will now think twice about joining Watford when they have to join the que to play behind on loan players from Udinesse and Granada. There will always be a need for loan signings but 16 players on loan is a risky strategy. How many are going to have pride in wearing the Watford shirt and the hunger and desire to deliver not just for themselves but more importantly for the fans. Only time will tell. I would like to see more players who are committed to the club under contract rather than a revolving door loan policy that lacks continuity and causes uncertainty on and off the pitch.

Martin Samuels is also a bitter West Ham fan. Can you tell in his report?

just jealous